S-FM: 146 Assassins Oath

[Firebringer]

Assassins Oath
Setup
(http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/31630-S-FM-Assasins-Oath?p=484374&viewfull=1#post484374)

Day 1:
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gamelife/2010/05/172965-brotherhoodheader.jpg

A mysterious stranger has arrived in your town. His name is Ezio Auditore, and he seeks to purify your town of its corruption. It won’t be easy for him, for the Templar’s hiding in this town have not made their presence well known even to the assassin. Not only that but it appears that some psychopaths in this town not affiliated with the Templars is seeking to destroy this lovely town. Ezio must be quick and decisive if he is going to be able to stop his enemies.
The Templars have power and influence, their ideals are easy to spread and easy for people to accept. If Ezio doesn’t act fast this town will soon become a hub for Templar influence, if he succeeds he might create a bastion of peace and freedom. The foothold for the assassin order to ensure their own survival.



Player List:
1. MattZed
2. DarknessB
3. Hypersniper
4. Aristocat
5. Stealthbomber16
6. powerofdeath
7. TheDarkestLight
8. Ika
9. Orpz
10. BananaCucho
11. Dagaen
Role List:
Mentor
Politician
Scientist
Researcher
Operative
Test Subject
Guardian
Insane Nutjob
Templar
Historian
Beggar

Grave Yard:



No lynches today.

Day Ends When This Counter Reaches 0 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?msg=Day%201&p0=59&year=2015&month=6&day=28&hour=1&min=35&sec=0)


Reminder: You are not required to post on the first day if you chose not to.

[MattZed]

I haven't even read my role card yet.

I will after this day is finished.

BananaCucho has a thing for being neutral killing roles.

BananaCucho

[Dagaen]

Wow, it looks quite professional:D It has clock and link to setup, I'm already happy.





Player List:
1. MattZed
2. DarknessB
3. Hypersniper
4. Aristocat
5. Stealthbomber16
6. powerofdeath
7. TheDarkestLight
8. Ika
9. Orpz
10. BananaCucho
11. Dagaen
Role List:
Mentor
Politician
Scientist
Researcher
Operative
Test Subject
Guardian
Insane Nutjob
Templar
Historian
Beggar

Grave Yard:


.

Orpz is confirmed templar then?

Orpz

[BananaCucho]

I agree with MattZed. BananaCucho

KARP
KARP
KARP

[MattZed]

I agree with MattZed. BananaCucho

KARP
KARP
KARP
Trying to self-hammer? Beggar confirmed.

MattZed

[BananaCucho]

I move to KARP appeal KARP KARP to host to allow day 1 lynch so my reign KARP of KARP may end

[BananaCucho]

What's a beggar lol

[MattZed]

Role Card
You are the Host!

Names / Roles
1. MattZed/Mentor
2. DarknessB/Politician
3. Hypersniper/Scientist
4. Aristocat/Researcher
5. Stealthbomber16/Operative
6. powerofdeath/Test Subject
7. TheDarkestLight/Guardian
8. Ika/Insane Nutjob
9. Orpz/Templar
10. BananaCucho/Historian
11. Dagaen/Beggar
GG

[BananaCucho]

Role Card
You are the Host!

Names / Roles
1. MattZed/Mentor
2. DarknessB/Politician
3. Hypersniper/Scientist
4. Aristocat/Researcher
5. Stealthbomber16/Operative
6. powerofdeath/Test Subject
7. TheDarkestLight/Guardian
8. Ika/Insane Nutjob
9. Orpz/Templar
10. BananaCucho/Historian
11. Dagaen/Beggar
GG
Thanks Waterkarpeon

[Dagaen]

Is anyone related to anyone else in here? This is not random question:P

Hey, Aristocat and DarknessB, please answer: what is your experience with FMs? What are your strategies for Town play? What do you usually do as a scum? If you where Cult who would you convert and why? If you were a killer who would you kill and why? I don't mean specific names - I just want to know how would you pick targets based on player's playstyle.

Ika, are you going to play normally in this game?

[BananaCucho]

I'll answer for you:

DarknessB is new, and everybody wants to be a KARP

[BananaCucho]

Also I am related to one person in this game. True story.

[MattZed]

Also I am related to one person in this game. True story.
That's what Brothers are for, right?

[BananaCucho]

That's what Brothers are for, right?
Not you, I am sweet not salty meow meow

[MattZed]

Not you, I am sweet not salty meow meow

My kinship has never felt so rejected.

KARP
KARP
KARP
KARP
KARP

[BananaCucho]

Mason plz no conversion I like my ability.

I am a TPR doc on me but not PTR

See you tomorrow shitlords except you doc you're not a shitlord

NOTICE ME SENPAI

Night

[MattZed]

Mason plz no conversion I like my ability.

I am a TPR doc on me but not PTR

See you tomorrow shitlords except you doc you're not a shitlord

NOTICE ME SENPAI

Night
If you were doc, you'd want to join masons because doc is actually a pretty shitty role.

So actually, what you're doing is trying to prevent Mason Leader from finding out your role as a Templar.

However, what you failed to do was make this difficult to figure out. So you've either done A) a D1 scumslip, or B) are a Beggar

Either way, vig shoot BananaCucho tonight and we find out tomorrow. gg.

[MattZed]

But wait, vig can't shoot N1, so if we wanted to kill you we'd have to lynch...

Clever girl.

[Hypersniper]

I am ezio auditore de frienze the best assassin in the franchise

[MattZed]

I am ezio auditore de frienze the best assassin in the franchise
Gaiz we don't need this many power roles to call D1.

[Hypersniper]

Throws smoke bomb, stabs mattzed with hidden blade and walks of with explosion behind him
Another one bites the dust

[Orpz]

I claim Cult Leader

[Aristocat]

Is anyone related to anyone else in here? This is not random question:P

Hey, Aristocat and DarknessB, please answer: what is your experience with FMs? What are your strategies for Town play? What do you usually do as a scum? If you where Cult who would you convert and why? If you were a killer who would you kill and why? I don't mean specific names - I just want to know how would you pick targets based on player's playstyle.

Ika, are you going to play normally in this game?

sorry was sleeping This is my first FM but i have read one or two over to get a feel for things. If i was a killer I would try to kill who i suspected to be the invest.

[Stealthbomber16]

sorry was sleeping This is my first FM but i have read one or two over to get a feel for things. If i was a killer I would try to kill who i suspected to be the invest.

http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/02/YOU_DONT_SAY.png

[Stealthbomber16]

http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/02/YOU_DONT_SAY.png

wait, um

I forgot pictures werent aloud

Don't replace me :(

[ika]

Ika, are you going to play normally in this game?

define normal

[Stealthbomber16]

Hey guys I'm a rule following arsonist. I currently have BananaCucho doused because I think he is a skyper. I was bussed last night.

[TheDarkestLight]

Hi guys, I'm here for my one post of the day. Not much to do other then that today. Most if not all of you should know my position on D1 active scumhunting...

[Stealthbomber16]

Hi guys, I'm here for my one post of the day. Not much to do other then that today. Most if not all of you should know my position on D1 active scumhunting...

scum
TheDarkestLight

[Stealthbomber16]

ɪ ᴡɪʟʟ ɢɪᴠᴇ yᴏᴜ ᴏɴᴇ ʟᴇɴɴyʙᴜᴄᴋ ᴛᴏ ᴡɪɴ ᴩʟᴢ [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

[DarknessB]

Okay, I want everyone to know how disappointed I am in MattZed. He ruined a perfectly fine setup by not reading his role card. Firebringer will be attempting to start again later (between this week and next week), everyone will receive new roles (probably just secondary roles), and MattZed will be barred from playing until he can prove to Firebringer that he read his role card.


Role Card
You are the Host!

Names / Roles
1. MattZed/Mentor
2. DarknessB/Politician
3. Hypersniper/Scientist
4. Aristocat/Researcher
5. Stealthbomber16/Operative
6. powerofdeath/Test Subject
7. TheDarkestLight/Guardian
8. Ika/Insane Nutjob
9. Orpz/Templar
10. BananaCucho/Historian
11. Dagaen/Beggar
GG

[DarknessB]

I am relatively new to FMs. This is my second game -- I am playing in Banana's Charmander's Revenge game which is taking place right now. I have also followed several past FM games to familiarize myself with how things work.


Is anyone related to anyone else in here? This is not random question:P

Hey, Aristocat and DarknessB, please answer: what is your experience with FMs? What are your strategies for Town play? What do you usually do as a scum? If you where Cult who would you convert and why? If you were a killer who would you kill and why? I don't mean specific names - I just want to know how would you pick targets based on player's playstyle.

Ika, are you going to play normally in this game?

[DarknessB]

Confirmed on both points -- Banana seems wise.


I'll answer for you:

DarknessB is new, and everybody wants to be a KARP

[BananaCucho]

MattZed

Traditionnnnnnnnn!!! Tradition!

Traditioooooooon! Tradition!!

[DarknessB]

Following that game gave me a headache -- I can only imagine how it was having to play it...


Hey guys I'm a rule following arsonist. I currently have BananaCucho doused because I think he is a skyper. I was bussed last night.

[ika]

darkness is town

[DarknessB]

Normally, I'd assume Beggar, but:

1) Banana is too smart to overplay role like that; and

2) Lynching MattZed is hilariously funny.

Mostly #2 though.


MattZed

Traditionnnnnnnnn!!! Tradition!

Traditioooooooon! Tradition!!

[BananaCucho]

You can't read me darkness nobody can read me KARP

I m sheriff jailor and you can't tell who is rule breaker or not well meybe skyper but only by voting patterns

[DarknessB]

If you chant Sheriff Jailor three times in a row, Firebringer will magically join the game and modkill all of us. And since this isn't the last FM, that's not a good thing. :p


You can't read me darkness nobody can read me KARP

I m sheriff jailor and you can't tell who is rule breaker or not well meybe skyper but only by voting patterns

[BananaCucho]

Oh wtf this is a different game I thought this was the sequel fk DW game

My bad guys guess I'll read the setup now

[Aristocat]

wait what?

[Stealthbomber16]

Normally, I'd assume Beggar, but:

1) Banana is too smart to overplay role like that; and

2) Lynching MattZed is hilariously funny.

Mostly #2 though.

I feel like Firebringer gave MattZed Beggar on purpose.

[Aristocat]

are we starting over because of mattzed? or is darkness trolling?

[Stealthbomber16]

are we starting over because of mattzed? or is darkness trolling?

Read this
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/31839-S-FM-Your-Everyday-Average-Game

[Stealthbomber16]

If you chant Sheriff Jailor three times in a row, Firebringer will magically join the game and modkill all of us. And since this isn't the last FM, that's not a good thing. :p

By your powers combined...
I AM THE SHERIFF JAILOR!

[DarknessB]

If we want to think about host meta, Firebringer previously said he would randomize all of the roles given his crusade against hosts who handpick them. That said, it would be pretty hilarious if MattZed rolled Jester.


I feel like Firebringer gave MattZed Beggar on purpose.

[DarknessB]

The TLDR -- that's copypasta when a player in a previous FM leaked all the roles before the game started. It's been a popular meme floating around the forums ever since. We're not actually starting over.


are we starting over because of mattzed? or is darkness trolling?

[Stealthbomber16]

If we want to think about host meta, Firebringer previously said he would randomize all of the roles given his crusade against hosts who handpick them. That said, it would be pretty hilarious if MattZed rolled Jester.

Awesome, I randomed Wraith King. That makes it more awesome.

I won't reveal because if I die I come back to life after 2 citizens die

[Stealthbomber16]

Awesome, I randomed Wraith King. That makes it more awesome.

I won't reveal because if I die I come back to life after 2 citizens die

Wait there are no citizens in this game

[DarknessB]

Sign of a very poorly designed FM. :D


Wait there are no citizens in this game

[Stealthbomber16]

Sign of a very poorly designed FM. :D

I have one in the workshop with 8 citizens, split between two alignments.

[Dagaen]

sorry was sleeping This is my first FM but i have read one or two over to get a feel for things. If i was a killer I would try to kill who i suspected to be the invest.

I find it very interesting, that you've answer my question about Killer, but completely ignored the one about Cult.


define normal

Well, you know...Doing contributive shit and stuff like that.

[Stealthbomber16]

Following that game gave me a headache -- I can only imagine how it was having to play it...

It was a busload of fun!
(I was a bus driver to those who didn't read that one)

In all seriousness, I'm hoping that we can play that one again at some point in the future. It was awesome

[ika]

Well, you know...Doing contributive shit and stuff like that.

Depends what my mood dictates.

Also no citizen games are not always imba. but *shrugs*

[Stealthbomber16]

Depends what my mood dictates.

Also no citizen games are not always imba. but *shrugs*

With this said, I'd like to point out that this should be an easy victory for town.

So when I end up stabbing you all, we can laugh at how unlikely my victory was at the end of the game.

[Dagaen]

With this said, I'd like to point out that this should be an easy victory for town.

So when I end up stabbing you all, we can laugh at how unlikely my victory was at the end of the game.

Well, if the evil neutral is a Serial Killer we should probably remember that you knew about this on D1;)

[powerofdeath]

I claim Eurdito! I cant be converted by the cult :)

[Stealthbomber16]

I claim Eurdito! I cant be converted by the cult :)

WE MUST GIVE POD
ALL THE NEUTRALS!

[Stealthbomber16]

I claim Eurdito! I cant be converted by the cult :)

Gonna have to kill you first so that you don't guess my role correctly.

[MattZed]

I feel like Firebringer gave MattZed Beggar on purpose.
Hidden roles are unethical.

Now, we all know that Firebringer lets anyone who signed up for PvZ prefer or blacklist 3. So you have to ask yourself: 1. Did MattZed sign up for PvZ? 2. Why did he use this to prefer Templar?

[Stealthbomber16]

-Vote Skip

I'm done trolling today

[MattZed]

-Vote Skip

I'm done trolling today
He posted that in the beggar's color font.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this. Sounds like someone is trying to hide their Templar status.

[Stealthbomber16]

He posted that in the beggar's color font.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed this. Sounds like someone is trying to hide their Templar status.

Freudian Slip. You said templar too much.
MattZed

[ika]

Hidden roles are unethical.


100% subjective

[MattZed]

Freudian Slip. You said templar too much.
MattZed
Do you have any idea how mentally hard it is to not talk about your role?

I'm glad you answered yes, Templar.

Stealthbomber16

Plz dun convert me, I want to lead the justice train on you tomorrow.

[ika]

Do you have any idea how mentally hard it is to not talk about your role?

I'm glad you answered yes, Templar.

Stealthbomber16

Plz dun convert me, I want to lead the justice train on you tomorrow.

its not hard to ignore the role that you have actualy

[Dagaen]

-Vote Skip

I'm done trolling today

And why do you want to skip Day 1 in a Cult-oriented setup?

[MattZed]

And why do you want to skip Day 1 in a Cult-oriented setup?
This man gets it.

[ika]

skip

trollololol

[Aristocat]

That does seem kind of suspicious
-vote StealthBomber16

[Aristocat]

uh how do i vote?

[MattZed]

You use the [vote] tag.

[DarknessB]

Aristo, since you are new -- you need to use the "(vote)name(/vote)" command in your message to vote up a player, but replace the all parentheses with the left/right brackets and type in the player's exact name. I couldn't use the brackets in this message because then the command would be replaced by a vote. Simply typing in -vote won't work for purposes of the game's automatic voting counting. Also, be sure to make a new post since game rules prohibit editing prior posts.


That does seem kind of suspicious
-vote StealthBomber16

[powerofdeath]

its [vote ]name[/vote ]

without any spaces

[DarknessB]

Heh, that's a better way of showing the command -- the spaces keep the system from processing it as a vote.


its [vote ]name[/vote ]

without any spaces

[Aristocat]

alright thank you
Stealthbomber16

[Stealthbomber16]

alright thank you
Stealthbomber16

There is no lynch today.

[Stealthbomber16]

And why do you want to skip Day 1 in a Cult-oriented setup?

Because I'm the Beggar wraith cult king serial framer.

[DarknessB]

Guys, not to spoil the randoming party, but Firebringer's first post says:

No lynches today.

Can't hurt to see if anyone is going to reveal anything, but there doesn't seem to be any sense in voting, right?

[MattZed]

Because I'm the Beggar wraith cult king serial framer.


Guys, not to spoil the randoming party, but Firebringer's first post says:

No lynches today.

Can't hurt to see if anyone is going to reveal anything, but there doesn't seem to be any sense in voting, right?
Oh, it's all fun and games until people actually start voting, isn't it?

Feeling pre-emptive D2 pressure?

[DarknessB]

It's official -- MattZed has taken up the Sheriff Jailor mantle in Firebringer's absence being host. Unfortunately for you, that's not usually a compliment. :p


Oh, it's all fun and games until people actually start voting, isn't it?

Feeling pre-emptive D2 pressure?

[MattZed]

It's official -- MattZed has taken up the Sheriff Jailor mantle in Firebringer's absence being host. Unfortunately for you, that's not usually a compliment. :p

In the last game, Firebringer's first post accurately called out a scum. I think it is a compliment.

Also, I'm allowed two executions. With how good towns tend to be at lynching, I hope you're good at making a case for innocence.

[DarknessB]

Did you just claim Jailor? Maybe we're actually getting somewhere now?


Also, I'm allowed two executions. With how good towns tend to be at lynching, I hope you're good at making a case for innocence.

[MattZed]

Because I'm the Beggar wraith cult king serial framer.


Did you just claim Jailor? Maybe we're actually getting somewhere now?
The nice thing about Firebringer is that he doesn't believe in citizens. You have to actually get creative in making up roles.

[Dagaen]

Because I'm the Beggar wraith cult king serial framer.

You said you are done with trolling. I'm asking seriously.

[Orpz]

Summer classes were a mistake. Huge mistake

[MattZed]

Summer classes were a mistake. Huge mistake
What class is more important than taking the summer off to play forum mafia?

[Orpz]

As I now know after a week of classes, none. None.....;(

[Dagaen]

Oh right, you guys have a free summer. Lucky you...Being a working man sucks:/

[Stealthbomber16]

Oh right, you guys have a free summer. Lucky you...Being a working man sucks:/

heh

[BananaCucho]

Wat! I thought Orpz was too busy to sign up to any games ATM.

Rood

KARP

[Orpz]

Wat! I thought Orpz was too busy to sign up to any games ATM.

Rood

KARP

LOL I am! But I just finished 2 games :p

[Stealthbomber16]

Lol you guys, it wasn't even a real vote.

Reaction Testing. It will come in handy later.

[BananaCucho]

lel, stealth throws votes around but once he is voted he responds with "there is no vote today".

Once again, stealth has quickly made himself my #1 target

[Stealthbomber16]

lel, stealth throws votes around but once he is voted he responds with "there is no vote today".

Once again, stealth has quickly made himself my #1 target

mentally:
oh crap hes going lynch me day 2 based on my day 1 votes and i havent even recruited anyone yet

what I planned to post:
Go ahead, Beggar.

[MattZed]

mentally:
oh crap hes going lynch me day 2 based on my day 1 votes and i havent even recruited anyone yet

what I planned to post:
Go ahead, Beggar.
If BananaCucho doesn't follow up, it's confirmed you converted him.

[Firebringer]

This is a reminder that night ends in approximately 3 hours.

Night will last the same time of 24 hours.

[ika]

This is a reminder that night ends in approximately 3 hours.

Night will last the same time of 24 hours.

lol

[MattZed]

This is a reminder that night ends in approximately 3 hours.

Night will last the same time of 24 hours.
C'mon guys, vote Stealth up! He practically admitted to being Templar. It's much better if we kill a cultist today than if we kill one tomorrow!

[Firebringer]

This is a reminder that day ends in approximately 3 hours.

Night will last the same time of 24 hours.

Thank you for pointing that out Ika <3

[MattZed]

Thank you for pointing that out Ika <3
Fear not, I, MattZed, the acting Sheriff Jailor, will avenge this slight!

[BananaCucho]

You can edit you're host

[MattZed]

You can edit you're host
Further back-talking!

I will avenge this as well. The Sheriff Jailor has two executions.

[BananaCucho]

Sheriff jailor doesn't jail

He just flops around like a MAGIKARP

[MattZed]

Sheriff jailor doesn't jail

He just flops around like a MAGIKARP
I would have made an excellent Sheriff Jailor in that game if I wasn't lynched before I could defend myself! Also, KARP.

I like you, Banana. You can be the second execution. <3

[BananaCucho]

First or no deal

[MattZed]

First or no deal
I don't want to kill you N1! I know how hard that is.

Also vote Stealth up, seriously.

[BananaCucho]

I won't break tradition. MattZed must be lynched day 1 even if lynch isn't possible.

[MattZed]

I won't break tradition. MattZed must be lynched day 1 even if lynch isn't possible.
Why are you buddying with Stealth before he's even converted you? That's gamethrowing right there!

[BananaCucho]

Why are you buddying with Stealth before he's even converted you? That's gamethrowing right there!
Buddying = skyping. You still don't get it smh

[MattZed]

Buddying = skyping. You still don't get it smh
I'm not going to say this game is easy.

You're lucky I'm not the Sheriff Mayor. Otherwise I'd unleash a can of extra votes on you.

[BananaCucho]

skip

Less talk more killing MattZed n1 plz

[Orpz]

day 1 without lynch and you guys arent trolling

disappointed

[BananaCucho]

I'm not going to say this game is easy.

You're lucky I'm not the Sheriff Mayor. Otherwise I'd unleash a can of extra votes on you.
The more you come at me with weak logic, (conflating the random lynch of D1 with the train starting on stealth today, for instance) the more I suspect you're a gamethrower begging me to lynch you. You wanted me to give you evidence I'm not a beggar, and having it did not sway you. You show no intention of being able to be convinced against the lynch on stealth. Until you're capable of showing that you're actually going to listen to anything I say, I'm not humoring you with any more responses.

[MattZed]

The more you come at me with weak logic, (conflating the random lynch of D1 with the train starting on stealth today, for instance) the more I suspect you're a gamethrower begging me to lynch you. You wanted me to give you evidence I'm not a beggar, and having it did not sway you. You show no intention of being able to be convinced against the lynch on stealth. Until you're capable of showing that you're actually going to listen to anything I say, I'm not humoring you with any more responses.
I remember my version of that being much more rage-y. When you say it, it just sounds passive-aggressive.

[DarknessB]

If anything MattZed was the victim of the psychological manipulation of the ones calling for him to use weak logic. He was very emotionally shaken and got a first day lynch on top of this. Shame on this victim blaming society.


I remember my version of that being much more rage-y. When you say it, it just sounds passive-aggressive.

[MattZed]

If anything MattZed was the victim of the psychological manipulation of the ones calling for him to use weak logic. He was very emotionally shaken and got a first day lynch on top of this. Shame on this victim blaming society.
MattZed is definitely a victim. ;(

[Firebringer]

Night 1:


http://img2.goodfon.su/wallpaper/big/1/cd/assassin-s-creed-2-veneciya.jpg
Ezio has fully moved into the town he has many suspects for who he believes could be the Templar. He needs to recruit allies if he wants to defeat his enemies, he isn’t strong enough by himself to defeat the Templar. The Templars however seem to be more resourceful with recruiting and training and incorporating new members. It seems there’s a person in this town that has special skills that both Templar and Assassin would want part of their team maybe they have figured out who they are.
It also seems a few crazy people have entered the town, what could they possibly want? One seems to seek destruction, the other seeks his own demise.
The sun has fallen.





Player List:
1. MattZed
2. DarknessB
3. Hypersniper
4. Aristocat
5. Stealthbomber16
6. powerofdeath
7. TheDarkestLight
8. Ika
9. Orpz
10. BananaCucho
11. Dagaen
Role List:
Mentor
Politician
Scientist
Researcher
Operative
Test Subject
Guardian
Insane Nutjob
Templar
Historian
Beggar

Grave Yard:


Night 1 Ends When This Reaches Zero (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?month=06&day=29&hour=1&min=35&p0=59&msg=Night+1&font=cursive
)

[Firebringer]

Day 2:
http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2009/10/assassin-s-creed-2-preview/assassins_creed_2_1.jpg

Ezio was in a hurry to bring a team together to stop the Templars. The Templars have started forming their own team though. The Psychos are still on the loose and will cause chaos and confusion for both sides.
The town must hurry for the Templars are gaining power.
No one died last night.


Player List:
1. MattZed
2. DarknessB
3. Hypersniper
4. Aristocat
5. Stealthbomber16
6. powerofdeath
7. TheDarkestLight
8. Ika
9. Orpz
10. BananaCucho
11. Dagaen
Role List:
Mentor
Politician
Scientist
Researcher
Operative
Test Subject
Guardian
Insane Nutjob
Templar
Historian
Beggar

Grave Yard:



Day Ends When This Counter Reaches Zero (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?month=06&day=30&hour=1&min=35&p0=59&msg=Day+2&font=cursive)
Note: I am giving you guys 2 extra hours to talk in day cause I cut night a little short.



6

[Orpz]

powerofdeath

Sheep me.

[DarknessB]

Care to explain this vote, Orpz? The day literally just began and you're already voting up powerofdeath without any role claim or lead?


powerofdeath

Sheep me.

[BananaCucho]

powerofdeath

Sheep me.
powerofdeath

Baaa

[DarknessB]

Thinking about this further, I see three possibilities:

1) Orpz has a legitimate lead -- in which case tell us who you are and what you found. At this point, we don't even know why we're voting for powerofdeath -- is he the Cult, the Neutral Killer, what?

2) Orpz is Cult and he's trying to get a lynch mob against powerofdeath, in which case we should vote Orpz instead.

3) Orpz is the Beggar and he's trying to act crazy in order to get lynched. I don't think he would be that obvious though.

Definitely not voting until we get a lot more information and nor should any of you.

[BananaCucho]

Thinking about this further, I see three possibilities:

1) Orpz has a legitimate lead -- in which case tell us who you are and what you found. At this point, we don't even know why we're voting for powerofdeath -- is he the Cult, the Neutral Killer, what?

2) Orpz is Cult and he's trying to get a lynch mob against powerofdeath, in which case we should vote Orpz instead.

3) Orpz is the Beggar and he's trying to act crazy in order to get lynched. I don't think he would be that obvious though.

Definitely not voting until we get a lot more information and nor should any of you.
Cmon live a little, be a sheep. Its just a pressure vote for now

[MattZed]

Cmon live a little, be a sheep. Its just a pressure vote for now
The Sheriff Jailor believes in pressure votes.

powerofdeath

[BananaCucho]

The Sheriff Jailor believes in pressure votes.

powerofdeath
lol anybody but you day 2 right?

[MattZed]

lol anybody but you day 2 right?
1. Yes

2. There's actually a pretty decent chance someone has a lead today. Cultist conversion happens before mason leader, so ML had a 1/4 chance of discovering a cult by sheer visiting, for instance. Sheriff, if they exist, had a 1/6 chance of finding either the original cultist or a the neutral killing. (who may well be an arso, given how everyone is alive)

3. This is just a pressure vote because I do not trust Orpz' hunches, given recent games.

[MattZed]

Thinking about this further, I see three possibilities:

1) Orpz has a legitimate lead -- in which case tell us who you are and what you found. At this point, we don't even know why we're voting for powerofdeath -- is he the Cult, the Neutral Killer, what?

2) Orpz is Cult and he's trying to get a lynch mob against powerofdeath, in which case we should vote Orpz instead.

3) Orpz is the Beggar and he's trying to act crazy in order to get lynched. I don't think he would be that obvious though.

Definitely not voting until we get a lot more information and nor should any of you.
Also this sounds remarkably defensive and excludes other much less sinister possibilities.

[Stealthbomber16]

I received feedback that wasn't by me last night.

But I won't tell you what it is.

[Aristocat]

Probably stating the obvious but theres likely an arsonist due to no kill night one.

[TheDarkestLight]

Probably stating the obvious but theres likely an arsonist due to no kill night one.

Or an MM who walked into an unpopular PR that wasn't at home.

[DarknessB]

Pressure vote or not, you realize with you three having voted powerofdeath, we're already down to L-3, right? We also know that there are a ton of scum hanging around this game -- the 1 Neutral Killer + up to 3 Cult (given the double convert on Night 1). You can pressure someone without voting them -- just start asking hard questions...


1. Yes

2. There's actually a pretty decent chance someone has a lead today. Cultist conversion happens before mason leader, so ML had a 1/4 chance of discovering a cult by sheer visiting, for instance. Sheriff, if they exist, had a 1/6 chance of finding either the original cultist or a the neutral killing. (who may well be an arso, given how everyone is alive)

3. This is just a pressure vote because I do not trust Orpz' hunches, given recent games.

[Hypersniper]

Im here and ready to stay cause I called in the IRA

[Orpz]

Good, good...

[Orpz]

all according to keikaku

[Stealthbomber16]

Orpze
Hmm

[Stealthbomber16]

fail
Orpze

[Stealthbomber16]

I AM SO SKILLED
Orpz

[MattZed]

Or an MM who walked into an unpopular PR that wasn't at home.
Or an SK who happened to attack someone who was immune at night, or a roleblocked MM/SK, or an SK/MM whose only victim was healed. There's a lot of possibility, here. Does MM kill targets who don't take night actions?


Probably stating the obvious but theres likely an arsonist due to no kill night one.
Are you new or a smurf?

If you're someone's smurf, why would you be "stating the obvious" instead of scumhunting?

[Firebringer]

Does MM kill targets who don't take night actions?

Yes

[Dagaen]

Cmon live a little, be a sheep. Its just a pressure vote for now

It's not a pressure vote. It is a bullshit. What do you expect of PoD now? No question was asked, no reason was mentioned. Those are just empty votes thrown at PoD without any explanation and you guys are perfectly content with it? Nobody even tries to scumhunt or anything, you're just waiting for Orpz-PoD fight to start. This train is scummy.

Here's what's going to happen:

- PoD shows up, asking why is he being voted
- Everybody will point out at Orpz, saying he knows something
- There will be back-and-forth fight between PoD and everybody else - some will want him to reveal his role, he will refuse
- After some time he will claim his role
- Orpz will show up and tell PoD lies
- Orpz will be forced to reveal his feedback, because lynch on PoD shouldn't happen without any clues

And guess what will happen in the meantime? Day will pass.

So Orpz, how about you tell us what you know NOW, and spare us some time?

[Dagaen]

2. There's actually a pretty decent chance someone has a lead today. Cultist conversion happens before mason leader, so ML had a 1/4 chance of discovering a cult by sheer visiting, for instance. Sheriff, if they exist, had a 1/6 chance of finding either the original cultist or a the neutral killing. (who may well be an arso, given how everyone is alive)


I may be bad at math. Can you tell me how did you calculate those?

[Dagaen]

Oh and since apparently no explanation is needed:

Stealthbomber16

If he wasn't scum before, he is now.

[DarknessB]

Completely agree with Dagean here. Also, this isn't SC2mafia -- we're voting to a straight lynch here, not a trial. We're playing this far too close to the edge (assuming all the voters so far are in fact Town) given the number of possible scum votes that could pile on. We should be receiving information first BEFORE votes.


It's not a pressure vote. It is a bullshit. What do you expect of PoD now? No question was asked, no reason was mentioned. Those are just empty votes thrown at PoD without any explanation and you guys are perfectly content with it? Nobody even tries to scumhunt or anything, you're just waiting for Orpz-PoD fight to start. This train is scummy.

Here's what's going to happen:

- PoD shows up, asking why is he being voted
- Everybody will point out at Orpz, saying he knows something
- There will be back-and-forth fight between PoD and everybody else - some will want him to reveal his role, he will refuse
- After some time he will claim his role
- Orpz will show up and tell PoD lies
- Orpz will be forced to reveal his feedback, because lynch on PoD shouldn't happen without any clues

And guess what will happen in the meantime? Day will pass.

So Orpz, how about you tell us what you know NOW, and spare us some time?

[MattZed]

It's not a pressure vote. It is a bullshit. What do you expect of PoD now? No question was asked, no reason was mentioned. Those are just empty votes thrown at PoD without any explanation and you guys are perfectly content with it? Nobody even tries to scumhunt or anything, you're just waiting for Orpz-PoD fight to start. This train is scummy.

Here's what's going to happen:

- PoD shows up, asking why is he being voted
- Everybody will point out at Orpz, saying he knows something
- There will be back-and-forth fight between PoD and everybody else - some will want him to reveal his role, he will refuse
- After some time he will claim his role
- Orpz will show up and tell PoD lies
- Orpz will be forced to reveal his feedback, because lynch on PoD shouldn't happen without any clues

And guess what will happen in the meantime? Day will pass.

So Orpz, how about you tell us what you know NOW, and spare us some time?
It's a pressure vote, AKA reaction testing, and it's nice to see some reactions. It's not bullshit until it turns into a lynch for no reason.

Given how Orpz operates, I expect him to come forward with his lead soon if this actually is one. Until then, it's just a pressure vote.

We ought to start pressure voting someone after all. Voting patterns and who wants to lynch whom work as excellent material to be analyzed for someone's alignment. It would be a mistake to sit back and do nothing today if we don't have something also solid as an investigative lead.

[Stealthbomber16]

Oh and since apparently no explanation is needed:

Stealthbomber16

If he wasn't scum before, he is now.

You really don't like me, do you?

[MattZed]

H
I may be bad at math. Can you tell me how did you calculate those?
Easy:

The 1/4 comes from assuming cult succeeded in their conversions. Thus 3/12 of the people ML could visit are cult.

The 1/6 is because the only roles detectable as scum N1 are the original cult and neut killing. 2/12 people to visit.

[MattZed]

Also, to clarify: we don't have a sheriff in this setup. When I said Sheriff, I should have said invest, who would indeed be able to detect neutral killing or cult. (Cult would appear as mason/cult, but it is something.

[Dagaen]

H
Easy:

The 1/4 comes from assuming cult succeeded in their conversions. Thus 3/12 of the people ML could visit are cult.

The 1/6 is because the only roles detectable as scum N1 are the original cult and neut killing. 2/12 people to visit.

We have 11 people and ML probably doesn't need to visit himself. So in my opinion it's 3/10 and 2/10.


And Stealthbomber, tell me this: yesterDay you were spamming posts like crazy and in previous games you just couldn't stay quiet, even if we wanted you to do it. And toDay your posts became short and terse. Why?

[MattZed]

Whoops, was taking this for a 13 person setup herp derp.

I agree with the figures you stated, which are even better.

[BananaCucho]

lol

[BananaCucho]

Stealth is a role he thinks is too important to risk. He's town.

[MattZed]

Stealth is more than capable of explaining his own behavior.

[BananaCucho]

Stealth is more than capable of explaining his own behavior.
MattZed
Enough outta you. You mess with banna you get the choz.

[Stealthbomber16]

We have 11 people and ML probably doesn't need to visit himself. So in my opinion it's 3/10 and 2/10.


And Stealthbomber, tell me this: yesterDay you were spamming posts like crazy and in previous games you just couldn't stay quiet, even if we wanted you to do it. And toDay your posts became short and terse. Why?

I'm on a phone

[ika]

banna unless if you have role based evidence i would stop now

[DarknessB]

If nothing else, it was a great line.


MattZed
Enough outta you. You mess with banna you get the choz.

[TheDarkestLight]

banna unless if you have role based evidence i would stop now

I'd be willing to follow it due to the fact that Matt blindly sheeped Orpz.

Actually, in fact, that might not have been Cucho's intention, but I like the idea.

MattZed

I wanna see what can come of this personally.

[powerofdeath]

Hello! Let me reread a bit.

[Dagaen]

Hello! Let me reread a bit.

Enjoy:P

[powerofdeath]

MattZed

[Dagaen]

MattZed

Why him and not Orpz?

[ika]

Why him and not Orpz?

at the possible chance of garciaing this

it seems like an odd question given where the votes are no?

[Dagaen]

Christ, everybody has a lawyer. Bomber has Cucho, PoD has ika...

And no, I don't think it's an odd question. And I'd like PoD to add some argument behind it.

[powerofdeath]

Christ, everybody has a lawyer. Bomber has Cucho, PoD has ika...

And no, I don't think it's an odd question. And I'd like PoD to add some argument behind it.

it seems like Orpz is a neutral of some sort, and mattzed is scum sheeping Orpz.

[Dagaen]

But, speaking of votes...Bomber's real-life excuse is enough for me.

Orpz

As stated before, I demand explanation.

[Dagaen]

it seems like Orpz is a neutral of some sort, and mattzed is scum sheeping Orpz.

Cucho also sheeped Orpz.

[MattZed]

Hmm... Was not seeing this coming.

I'm a survivor. Planning on townsiding, and I figured the pressure vote from Orpz was a fair start. I still do not think the pressure has been adequately dealt with.

Please do not make me lose D2.

[BananaCucho]

Christ, everybody has a lawyer. Bomber has Cucho, PoD has ika...

And no, I don't think it's an odd question. And I'd like PoD to add some argument behind it.
lol I'm not his lawyer. I just don't think he's scum ATM given my experience playing with him.

Also, it'll be fun to watch Matt squirm, insult almost everyone, and then talk down to me condescendingly. He will then prob be lynched after I cancel my vote on him lol

[ika]

game has cult

lynch everything

[powerofdeath]

orpz

[Dagaen]

Hmm... Was not seeing this coming.

I'm a survivor. Planning on townsiding, and I figured the pressure vote from Orpz was a fair start. I still do not think the pressure has been adequately dealt with.

Please do not make me lose D2.

MattZed

Thx for making it easy. Lynching possibly culted Neutral on D1 is a good start in my opinion.

[Dagaen]

orpz

And this makes absolutely no sense. Mattzed claimed Neutral and PoD tries Jester play?

[ika]

does it matter?

[Dagaen]

does it matter?

You mean PoD switching votes under slight pressure? I think it does.

[TheDarkestLight]

Beggar.

[DarknessB]

I agree with this for the most part. If MattZed is claiming Survivor, then he is one of the following:

1. A Survivor. We don't need him and there's a risk that he gets converted. Lynch him.

2. Cult (converted Survivor). Definitely lynch him.

3. Beggar (Jester). This is the only place where I hesitate a little bit.


MattZed

Thx for making it easy. Lynching possibly culted Neutral on D1 is a good start in my opinion.

[MattZed]

MattZed

Thx for making it easy. Lynching possibly culted Neutral on D1 is a good start in my opinion.
Everyone is "possibly culted." Lynching me in what may be a 5v3v1v1v1 isnt helping town's numbers.

[BananaCucho]

Bring it on beggars I'm not afraid of you

[TheDarkestLight]

Beggar.

Even if he isn't, this is a Cult Setup, unlike the last one, so lynching Neutral Benigns will not help us in the least. Albeit there is the chance he is culted, I don't think the chance is high enough for me to want to kill him just yet.

[Dagaen]

Bring it on beggars I'm not afraid of you

This. Not lynching neutral in a fear of a Jester is a bad play.

[TheDarkestLight]

This. Not lynching neutral in a fear of a Jester is a bad play.

No, it really isn't. Look at his play, that's a highly Jester play. He blankly sheeped Orpz, and his claim was pathetic.

The line "Please do not make me lose D2" really got under my skin.

[ika]

sigh.....

i no longer care for this if we are going to debate about lynching a possible jester or not

we lynch it and we move on with life, if hes beggaer, good job free win.

you should realize that his random kill has equal chance of hitting scum as well

[MattZed]

I agree with this for the most part. If MattZed is claiming Survivor, then he is one of the following:

1. A Survivor. We don't need him and there's a risk that he gets converted. Lynch him.

2. Cult (converted Survivor). Definitely lynch him.

3. Beggar (Jester). This is the only place where I hesitate a little bit.
The logic in your first point doesn't hold; most of the town is convertible. Why would cult go for me when they could get a power role, or at least someone who wouldnt be easily spotted for not towmsiding? Even this aside, they might avoid me thinking I'd side with them later.

Almost anyone's roleclaim now is cultable. A vote to kill all cultables is just nonsense.

[ika]

The logic in your first point doesn't hold; most of the town is convertible. Why would cult go for me when they could get a power role, or at least someone who wouldnt be easily spotted for not towmsiding? Even this aside, they might avoid me thinking I'd side with them later.

Almost anyone's roleclaim now is cultable. A vote to kill all cultables is just nonsense.

WIFOM is the bigger answer. frankly if i was cult i would convert a neurtal in a heatbeat due to site meta

[DarknessB]

The Cult has no idea who any of us are -- I assume they just randomly picked their two converts. In that case, you could have rolled Survivor and they could have just randomly picked you to convert.

On the other hand, your second point is more valid -- you have been very loud thus far.


The logic in your first point doesn't hold; most of the town is convertible. Why would cult go for me when they could get a power role, or at least someone who wouldnt be easily spotted for not towmsiding? Even this aside, they might avoid me thinking I'd side with them later.

Almost anyone's roleclaim now is cultable. A vote to kill all cultables is just nonsense.

[BananaCucho]

I'm not unvoting

[Dagaen]

The logic in your first point doesn't hold; most of the town is convertible. Why would cult go for me when they could get a power role, or at least someone who wouldnt be easily spotted for not towmsiding? Even this aside, they might avoid me thinking I'd side with them later.

Almost anyone's roleclaim now is cultable. A vote to kill all cultables is just nonsense.

This doesn't mean you aren't converted right now. If you do a math once again: Cult has 10 targets and 2 conversions. Even with going random it is 20% chance of hitting you. And tbh, you're quite a good player so it's probably higher.

And I find myself agreeing with ika - converting neutral seems to be a not-so-bad move.

Always lynch non-Town, it's a safe option. And with that I'm going to sleep.

[TheDarkestLight]

sigh.....

i no longer care for this if we are going to debate about lynching a possible jester or not

we lynch it and we move on with life, if hes beggaer, good job free win.

you should realize that his random kill has equal chance of hitting scum as well

It could easily destroy the town. Numbers are severely against us this game, lynching a potential beggar would be moronic. If he is a Survivor then we waste a day, the Cult gets up to potentially 4 people, and the Neutral Killer could maybe even get off a kill. That would destroy our game. What we desperately need is a night kill, and the Assassins can't kill until two nights after they get recruited. If we just keep lynching the Cult will grow and grow. Now then, I disagree with lynching a Cult today. They'll simply replace him and will still have three Cultists. Sure, tomorrow they will have four, and that is NOT good for us, but math simply shows that it's in our favor to hold off on killing the Cult.

This math is based on worst case scenario.

3 Cultists, 5 town. If we lynch a Cultists they'll just recruit another Townie and it will be 3v4. Then they can do it again for a 3v3 (Since it increases by one for every two dead). However, if we leave them alone, we can have a 4v4, with no fear of any new townies being recruited. The cult could literally do NOTHING to us. Sure, they have a big voting block, but with enough cooperation from the Town we can potentially work with the Neutral Benign. And if the Benign is a Cult then well, that means an extra townie for us. A 4v4 vs the Cult will win us the game if we have all four of our people being Masons (Which is possible, it says only 3 Assassins, but it says nothing about the Mentor being part of that count, as such, it can be assumed that that means four total, and since the Assassins have a night kill, we can win. Lynching the Neutral Evil today is the BEST lynch we can make, he can fuck up all the math.

"But Dark, what difference does that 3v3 and 4v4 make?"

We can lose potential strong town roles to that, also there is the chance that the Neutral Evil will kill an Assassin if we don't kill him today, which will almost certainly end our game.

I will admit, the Neutral Benign can ruin the 4v4 we win scenario, but the Neutral Evil can ruin it even more so. Yes, the Neutral Evil might kill Cultists, but it's simply not worth the risk.

Scumhunting for Cultists will be super useful down the line however, as it gives the Assassins good targets when the time comes up.

"Omg, Dark doesn't wanna lynch Cultists, he must be Cult"

I'm just using math. If you think you have a better idea, go ahead and say it.

[Hypersniper]

Well fuck this day is going great

[TheDarkestLight]

Although, if a Marshall were to reveal himself then this game would instantly become MUCH simpler.

Sure he might get recruited, but we still get the lynches, we just have to avoid trusting him anymore.

[Firebringer]

While none of you asked, you can vote to skip if you want to.

[powerofdeath]

While none of you asked, you can vote to skip if you want to.

WE DONT WANT TO! LEAVE US ALONE

[powerofdeath]

Can we lynch hypersniper?

[Hypersniper]

No we can not lynch me im a playa so no

[Orpz]

It's not a pressure vote. It is a bullshit. What do you expect of PoD now? No question was asked, no reason was mentioned. Those are just empty votes thrown at PoD without any explanation and you guys are perfectly content with it? Nobody even tries to scumhunt or anything, you're just waiting for Orpz-PoD fight to start. This train is scummy.

Here's what's going to happen:

- PoD shows up, asking why is he being voted
- Everybody will point out at Orpz, saying he knows something
- There will be back-and-forth fight between PoD and everybody else - some will want him to reveal his role, he will refuse
- After some time he will claim his role
- Orpz will show up and tell PoD lies
- Orpz will be forced to reveal his feedback, because lynch on PoD shouldn't happen without any clues

And guess what will happen in the meantime? Day will pass.

So Orpz, how about you tell us what you know NOW, and spare us some time?

lol no lead, my play on Day 1 was basically troll and on Day 2, I decided to open with something trolly to see who would jump at the opportunity to get nothing done.

[TheDarkestLight]

So many of us are here, imagine how much we could get done if we actually discussed.

[powerofdeath]

No we can not lynch me im a playa so no

Why not?

[BananaCucho]

Can we lynch hypersniper?
Naw MattZed lynch is funnier.

[Orpz]

Hypersniper is probably Town because he doesn't post as scum at all and I doubt he would be converted. Typically first night conversions aim for people who can dominate the day chat.

BananaCucho

[Orpz]

BananaCucho isn't Beggar because I am.

[powerofdeath]

So many of us are here, imagine how much we could get done if we actually discussed.

What do you think of Dagaen?

Converting Hypersniper will just make him reveal his cult leader like that MFM game.

[MattZed]

This doesn't mean you aren't converted right now. If you do a math once again: Cult has 10 targets and 2 conversions. Even with going random it is 20% chance of hitting you. And tbh, you're quite a good player so it's probably higher.

And I find myself agreeing with ika - converting neutral seems to be a not-so-bad move.

Always lynch non-Town, it's a safe option. And with that I'm going to sleep.
After getting lynched D1 last game, how good am I, really?

But yes, that's the only valid reason to get me, if you thought I was culted. (And we can speculate who else would be converted.)

However, lynching me because you think cult will convert me is illogical; you'd rather lynch me tomorrow. Lynching me today would let them convery someone else.

There are 2-4 scum and at most 7 town. A survivor lynch is not an optimal town move now, and continuing this train prevents actually scumhunting.

[powerofdeath]

We are somehow making all neutral claims.

Neutral killer is next.

bananacucho

[TheDarkestLight]

What do you think of Dagaen?

Converting Hypersniper will just make him reveal his cult leader like that MFM game.

I'll admit, he's pushing too much on the Benign. I know I did that in the last game, but that wasn't a Cult game. Although the Neutral Benign is the second best lynch if we don't find the Neutral Killing due to the fact he could fuck up the voting.

[Hypersniper]

What do you think of Dagaen?

Converting Hypersniper will just make him reveal his cult leader like that MFM game.

That was unintentional I plead innocence

[ika]

im just goign to sit here and wait for an l-1 now...

@TDL do you have a tldr of your wall im lazy

[TheDarkestLight]

im just goign to sit here and wait for an l-1 now...

@TDL do you have a tldr of your wall im lazy

Math says lynching the Cult is not as preferable as lynching the Neutral Evil since we can balance the Cult/Masons 4v4 and the Masons can kill the Cult while the Cult cannot.

[ika]

meh

my rule is you lynch scum, doent matter what they are. they are all the same

i mean whats not to make an argument hes the neutral evil right now claiming to be survivor to hide?

[BananaCucho]

Shit L-4

Guess its time to read the setup

[TheDarkestLight]

meh

my rule is you lynch scum, doent matter what they are. they are all the same

i mean whats not to make an argument hes the neutral evil right now claiming to be survivor to hide?

True. That's why I said the Neutral Benign is the second best lynch. He could be Cult, he could be Survivor, he could be Evil. The WORST case scenario is that he's beggar and kills a town.

But if we have a Marshall I suggest revealing now. Yes, you might get converted, but it's still in the best interests of the town since then we can hit the Cult. We just need to make sure we don't trust them at ALL after today.

[MattZed]

meh

my rule is you lynch scum, doent matter what they are. they are all the same

i mean whats not to make an argument hes the neutral evil right now claiming to be survivor to hide?
I'm not being counterclaimed at the moment, for what that's worth.

I dont see why my claiming survivor makes me more likely to be neut evil than any other claim. Its not like Im defending against a future invest claim, as those neuts show up differently.

[Stealthbomber16]

Dagaen
You are satisfied with a super simple explanation that may or may not have been true.
To me, you seem like a cultist. You don't care who you lynch and you don't care what happens.

I'm betting it will be hard to build a train here. But let me go back and analyze his > 10 posts.

[Orpz]

BananaCucho is a safe shot at night btw if we don't lynch him. It's clear he does not want to be alive.

[Stealthbomber16]

Wow, it looks quite professional:D It has clock and link to setup, I'm already happy.



Orpz is confirmed templar then?

Orpz

Filler


Is anyone related to anyone else in here? This is not random question:P

Hey, Aristocat and DarknessB, please answer: what is your experience with FMs? What are your strategies for Town play? What do you usually do as a scum? If you where Cult who would you convert and why? If you were a killer who would you kill and why? I don't mean specific names - I just want to know how would you pick targets based on player's playstyle.

Ika, are you going to play normally in this game?

1. I something that won't affect the state of the game.

2. Checking status of greenies in order to evaluate possible cult

3. Legit question.


I find it very interesting, that you've answer my question about Killer, but completely ignored the one about Cult.



Well, you know...Doing contributive shit and stuff like that.

1. Soft FoS

2. Filler


Well, if the evil neutral is a Serial Killer we should probably remember that you knew about this on D1;)

Troll post/Filler


And why do you want to skip Day 1 in a Cult-oriented setup?

This is the ONLY post that would dissuade me.


You said you are done with trolling. I'm asking seriously.

Wants a good response to my reaction fishing.


Oh right, you guys have a free summer. Lucky you...Being a working man sucks:/

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It's not a pressure vote. It is a bullshit. What do you expect of PoD now? No question was asked, no reason was mentioned. Those are just empty votes thrown at PoD without any explanation and you guys are perfectly content with it? Nobody even tries to scumhunt or anything, you're just waiting for Orpz-PoD fight to start. This train is scummy.

Here's what's going to happen:

- PoD shows up, asking why is he being voted
- Everybody will point out at Orpz, saying he knows something
- There will be back-and-forth fight between PoD and everybody else - some will want him to reveal his role, he will refuse
- After some time he will claim his role
- Orpz will show up and tell PoD lies
- Orpz will be forced to reveal his feedback, because lynch on PoD shouldn't happen without any clues

And guess what will happen in the meantime? Day will pass.

So Orpz, how about you tell us what you know NOW, and spare us some time?

Knows that PoD isn't cult and so is curious as to what orpz knows about PoD. Possible Neutral Killing?


I may be bad at math. Can you tell me how did you calculate those?

Legit. Still doesn't help him.


Oh and since apparently no explanation is needed:

Stealthbomber16

If he wasn't scum before, he is now.

Not-so-ninja ninja vote.


We have 11 people and ML probably doesn't need to visit himself. So in my opinion it's 3/10 and 2/10.


And Stealthbomber, tell me this: yesterDay you were spamming posts like crazy and in previous games you just couldn't stay quiet, even if we wanted you to do it. And toDay your posts became short and terse. Why?

1. Keeping up a town read by contributing. However, all it is is just numbers that were slightly off. Nothing really contributive.

2. Go read artificial intelligence


Enjoy:P

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Why him and not Orpz?

Wonders why they aren't following a mislynch train


Christ, everybody has a lawyer. Bomber has Cucho, PoD has ika...

And no, I don't think it's an odd question. And I'd like PoD to add some argument behind it.

Part filler part trying to keep up town read


But, speaking of votes...Bomber's real-life excuse is enough for me.

Orpz

As stated before, I demand explanation.

Wants to know orpz's results


Cucho also sheeped Orpz.

Duh.


MattZed

Thx for making it easy. Lynching possibly culted Neutral on D1 is a good start in my opinion.

Following another train


And this makes absolutely no sense. Mattzed claimed Neutral and PoD tries Jester play?

PoD already claimed Eurdito D1


You mean PoD switching votes under slight pressure? I think it does.

PoD already claimed Eurdito, so this fits his playstyle. He is passive.


This. Not lynching neutral in a fear of a Jester is a bad play.

Trying to hammer in another mislynch


This doesn't mean you aren't converted right now. If you do a math once again: Cult has 10 targets and 2 conversions. Even with going random it is 20% chance of hitting you. And tbh, you're quite a good player so it's probably higher.

And I find myself agreeing with ika - converting neutral seems to be a not-so-bad move.

Always lynch non-Town, it's a safe option. And with that I'm going to sleep.

Unglorifying a good player.

Dagaen, I want you to at the VERY LEAST go back and respond to 5 of these.

[BananaCucho]

BananaCucho is a safe shot at night btw if we don't lynch him. It's clear he does not want to be alive.
You don't find it odd how mellow Matt is in comparison to his other games? He's hiding something. Secret symbols.

[Orpz]

You don't find it odd how mellow Matt is in comparison to his other games? He's hiding something. Secret symbols.

Not at all.

[Aristocat]

looking over the chat, I think that either daegaen or matted would be the best votes for today.
MattZed

[Stealthbomber16]

daegaen

Noice.

[Aristocat]

too many a's and e's #pray

[Stealthbomber16]

looking over the chat, I think that either daegaen or matted would be the best votes for today.
MattZed

This is a double sheep.

Aristocat, a tip for you is not to just follow what us weird strangers say, instead, make your own reads.

Lets start with this:

Who do you think is the cult leader and why?
Who do you think they converted last night and why?
What do you think the feedback I'm hiding is?

[TheDarkestLight]

looking over the chat, I think that either daegaen or matted would be the best votes for today.
MattZed

It's probably gonna be between Matt and Chucho

[TheDarkestLight]

This is a double sheep.

Aristocat, a tip for you is not to just follow what us weird strangers say, instead, make your own reads.

Lets start with this:

Who do you think is the cult leader and why?
Who do you think they converted last night and why?
What do you think the feedback I'm hiding is?

Lol, fuck these questions, just say who you think the scum are. And Scum include the Beggar and Benign (For all we know the claimants could be lying).

[Firebringer]

Which is possible, it says only 3 Assassins, but it says nothing about the Mentor being part of that count, as such, it can be assumed that that means four total, and since the Assassins have a night kill, we can win. Lynching the Neutral Evil today is the BEST lynch we can make, he can fuck up all the math.

I just want to clarify something, the Mentor is part of the 3 Assassins count. The group as a whole are Assassins. The assassins themselves are the recruits.
So you can have 1 Mentor and 2 Recruits essentially.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

[TheDarkestLight]

I just want to clarify something, the Mentor is part of the 3 Assassins count. The group as a whole are Assassins. The assassins themselves are the recruits.
So you can have 1 Mentor and 2 Recruits essentially.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

...

Fuck

[TheDarkestLight]

Although it can still work. If we have a SINGLE cult killed, they still have a limit of 3 since the limit is 4 total including dead. Then it can be a 3v3.

[TheDarkestLight]

Although it can still work. If we have a SINGLE cult killed, they still have a limit of 3 since the limit is 4 total including dead. Then it can be a 3v3.

That also doesn't increase the amount of town getting converted at all since it would take two for them to get an extra person.

[MattZed]

Firstly: An Eurdito upload is made public, yes? I don't think you should be taking PoD's Eurdito claim seriously. I'm the only one here claiming to be the benign.

It's been claimed that if you can't find anyone to lynch, you should lynch the survivor. There are 2-4 scum, (and I mean scum, people whose win conditions are against town; benigns can with with town) and with all of this voting and the investigative roles (including ML) about, there shouldn't be reason that you need to default. However, I'd like to argue that a no lynch is better for town than killing the survivor.

Here's why:
My voting really only matters in relation to ties; I can either tie up a vote or break a tie. If neither of those things are possible, then the town had enough power to win on its own.

Let's think about some cases. For the following, let's assume that the neutral killing is dead/culted, and so the scum act as one group.
4v4v1 - This is a situation where I could break a tie. Assuming the sides are clear, I can choose which side to lynch. Depending on which side still has killing roles lying around, I may have changed the balance that occurred when a lynch was impossible, or maybe the outcome is inevitable. I can certainly be an asset to town here, and if I side with the cult, then there's a good chance you'd already be screwed without me due to not being able to lynch.
4v3v1 - Without me, it would be 4v3 and a cult would be lynched. With me around, I'd have the opportunity to turn a cult lynch into a no lynch. This is the situation you might be afraid of. You could trust me to townside, or you could see that it may be in my own rational self-interest to help you. For one, if I help stop a town lynch and some assassins move at night, I've announced myself as pro-cult and become a target; dying is not my win condition. Secondly, if the cult has the killing in their ranks and that killer is an arso, it's possible that I've been doused. A cult killer is simply more of a wildcard to me. If cult has a killer, then I might die for one reason or another. If they don't have a killer, then cult can't punish me for lynching them, and I should side with town. I don't deny that it's possible to help cult; rather, my claim is that helping town is probably in my best interest, and if I lie about wanting to townside now, I'm screwing over my meta for future games.

[Orpz]

I seem to recall a MattZed who was extremely in favor of lynching the Town-pledged neutral and claiming it was better than a no lynch ;)

[Orpz]

Anyways, my impressions thus far: BananaCucho is the best night kill. Ika and TDL seem more Town than I am.

[BananaCucho]

Anyways, my impressions thus far: BananaCucho is the best night kill. Ika and TDL seem more Town than I am.
You sound like a broken record

[BananaCucho]

I seem to recall a MattZed who was extremely in favor of lynching the Town-pledged neutral and claiming it was better than a no lynch ;)
yes lol

Flippity floppity

[MattZed]

I seem to recall a MattZed who was extremely in favor of lynching the Town-pledged neutral and claiming it was better than a no lynch ;)
1. This is true.

2. That was a different setup. Back then, lynching a benign neut would make the game 7v2 without any possible growth in the scum faction. Town doesn't have that sort of luxurious lead in this game. (town won with TWO mislynches. 2 mislynches in this setup would be absolutely fatal) Unless the original cultist was roleblocked or tried to convert the ML, there are 3 cultists. (and if he tried to convert the ML, someone should really be speaking up) Unless either of those lucky things occurred, town is 5v3v1v1v1 or 6v3v1v1. (or maybe jester was converted, but you get the idea) In this game, my potential to screw the town is much lower, and my potential to help town is much higher.

[Orpz]

You sound like a broken record

It's widely known across educators that when something you're saying is really important, you have to tell your students over and over again.

And then you'd be lucky if they remembered it tomorrow.

[Orpz]

This is actually really important, was anyone harassed by the beggar last night?

[BananaCucho]

It's widely known across educators that when something you're saying is really important, you have to tell your students over and over again.

And then you'd be lucky if they remembered it tomorrow.
It's also a technique to convince people through that "kill at night" should be associated with "bananacucho".

[Firebringer]

An Eurdito upload is made public, yes?


If a Eurdito uploaded, it would have been made public at start of the day, of course Eurdito is under no obligation to upload every night if he chooses not too.

[Orpz]

It's also a technique to convince people through that "kill at night" should be associated with "bananacucho".

That would be optimal. But I would lucky if anyone remembered it tomorrow.

[Orpz]

ugh I made a typo as I hit send and I can't edit it

[Aristocat]

I would lucky too.

[TheDarkestLight]

I would lucky too.

Answer the questions that were asked of you.

[Aristocat]

The people I think are scum would be mattzed, dagaen based on what they have said. hypersniper also hasnt really done much to help the town.

[Orpz]

The people I think are scum would be mattzed, dagaen based on what they have said. hypersniper also hasnt really done much to help the town.

Saying someone is scum is not good enough in a setup with many different scum factions. Also Hypersniper acts the same regardless of alignment, I recommend him for night kill after BananaCucho.

[Stealthbomber16]

He's hypersniper.

[Orpz]

Dagaen

If I had to convert someone, it would probably be Dagaen.

[BananaCucho]

Dagaen

If I had to convert someone, it would probably be Dagaen.
That's not how you spell MattZed

[MattZed]

I see the reasons to vote Dagaen, but if I did everyone would accuse me of sheeping Orpz for the second time. I actually sort of trust Dagaen to be town; I know from experience he reasons out the meta of the game differently than I do. I only hope he comes to realize that I'm more likely to be an asset than a liability to town. Dagaen, can we be friends?

BananaCucho, however, thinks MattZed losing D2 is funny. :unsure: I don't like that, and he's not actively contributing to town. (although he continues to post) Would a jester really be that obvious? BananaCucho

[Orpz]

I have absolutely no issues lynching a jester, but given the choice, I prefer a night kill.

[Orpz]

I see the reasons to vote Dagaen, but if I did everyone would accuse me of sheeping Orpz for the second time. I actually sort of trust Dagaen to be town; I know from experience he reasons out the meta of the game differently than I do. I only hope he comes to realize that I'm more likely to be an asset than a liability to town. Dagaen, can we be friends?

BananaCucho, however, thinks MattZed losing D2 is funny. :unsure: I don't like that, and he's not actively contributing to town. (although he continues to post) Would a jester really be that obvious? BananaCucho

bruh unlike Wraith Night, you cant pass out guns to the Town
the biggest train is you

pls sheep me

[BananaCucho]

When MattZed wins as scum I will vote him MVP