S-FM 144: Wraith Night

[Stealthbomber16]

You've never known war unless you've warred with a Wraith!
S-FM Wraith Night
Roles List
Wraith King
Azorszos
Wraith Knight
Protector
Protector
Protector
Protector
Shopkeeper
Opposer
Opposer
Player List
1. Mikecall
2. Hypersniper
3. powerofdeath
4. ika
5. Orpz
6. TheDarkestLight
7. deathworlds
8. MattZed
9. Firebringer
10. Fatalis
Link to the setup
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/31445-S-FM-Wraith-Night
With 10 people alive it takes 6
Daylight ends at 11:00 PDT

[deathworlds]

First lol.

Could you maybe have this day end when night ends in my S-FM so we get a balance of activity?

[Hypersniper]

i agree with death

ello lads im here, as a pull up i will be low on activity this weekend due to work related issues but i will try to be on when i can

[ika]

and the game begins

[Mikecall]

The Game Of Mystery And Province. This will be interesting.

[Hypersniper]

and the game begins

now its time to enact my revenge on you in this, interesting game think u can lynch me think again :/

[Mikecall]

Depends on how suspicious you are hyper.

[deathworlds]

Host meta= maybe applicable here?

[deathworlds]

Hypersniper what exactly is your profile pic?

[Stealthbomber16]

First lol.

Could you maybe have this day end when night ends in my S-FM so we get a balance of activity?

I'll see what I can do.

[Mikecall]

So hows everyone?

[MattZed]

powerofdeath

He hasn't even posted in the other game! Lurks too much to be trusted.

[Mikecall]

Your trying to do a vote straight off from basing it from the other game?
That seems to be very suspicious matt.

[MattZed]

Your trying to do a vote straight off from basing it from the other game?
That seems to be very suspicious matt.
Everyone has a meta, and I have cracked his.

[Mikecall]

Also from my point of view, your trying to false lynch someone from looking at how they played in last game?
Even though it is just the beginning of the day, others should at least make 5+ posts in order for others to get a good idea of what playstyle they are playing.

[Mikecall]

So i'll start out my vote.
TheDarkestLight
Just so we can get a good conversation going.

[Stealthbomber16]

Daylight now ends at 11:00 PDT

[MattZed]

Also from my point of view, your trying to false lynch someone from looking at how they played in last game?
Even though it is just the beginning of the day, others should at least make 5+ posts in order for others to get a good idea of what playstyle they are playing.
How he played last game? A whole day went by and he didn't make a single post. That's just inexcusable.

[Mikecall]

How he played last game? A whole day went by and he didn't make a single post. That's just inexcusable.

From looking at it, it does seem a bit suspicious, but i wouldnt just jump straight to conclusions straight away. As we can press the vote later on in the day if he hasnt made any chat in like, lets say, a few hours or something. But at the moment, i am just trying to get people posting than just lurking around.

[powerofdeath]

I am townsiding Shopkeeper! Mafia cannot kill me no matter what! Just promise me you guys wont lynch me and Ill sell you guys the goods.

[deathworlds]

Lol PoD gettin all the broken roles.

[Mikecall]

So your claiming shopkeeper?, risky move considering you could sell your goods to the opposers than the town.

[powerofdeath]

powerofdeath

He hasn't even posted in the other game! Lurks too much to be trusted.

It's sad that you obviously didnt read the set up for other game, but regardless I think its against the rule to talk about ongoing game anyway.

[powerofdeath]

So your claiming shopkeeper?, risky move considering you could sell your goods to the opposers than the town.

My goal is to survive until the end, if opposer cant kill me, I should be concerned about the town, so I decided to help out the town

[MattZed]

I am townsiding Shopkeeper! Mafia cannot kill me no matter what! Just promise me you guys wont lynch me and Ill sell you guys the goods.

Isn't it odd that the host sorted your role in the setup under "scum"? Give me an item tonight or else we will lynch you for being scum tomorrow.

I haven't seen Orpz post yet. Isn't he scum more often than not?

Oprz

[Mikecall]

My goal is to survive until the end, if opposer cant kill me, I should be concerned about the town, so I decided to help out the town

But the question is, how will we know you wont backstab us at the very end?

[Firebringer]

Yeah, lets get on the Orpz lynch wagon.

Orpz

Role claim at L-1 or you suck at this game.


Also haven't read my role card, making that my go to strategy until night begins for all SFMs

[MattZed]

I also suck at typing.

Orpz

[Mikecall]

Yeah, lets get on the Orpz lynch wagon.

Orpz

Role claim at L-1 or you suck at this game.


Also haven't read my role card, making that my go to strategy until night begins for all SFMs

At the moment, i am keeping my vote on TheDarkestLight till he starts the chat.

[deathworlds]

Bitch gimmie an item.

How do we know if your actually shopkeeper. You could be mafia posing as shopkeeper.

[deathworlds]

Also if TDL survives n1 hes scum

[powerofdeath]

Then I'll just sit here and wait to get counterclaimed on day 1. Then we do items test and we have an confirmed mafia on day 2. Mafia knows its stupid to waste 50% of their members on neutral.

[Mikecall]

Also if TDL survives n1 hes scum

Was thinking about that, anyone who survives n1 can be suspicious, but will it be in a good way or a bad way?

[Firebringer]

I am claiming the infamous Sheriff Jailor role.

Everyone follow me on the Orpz train.

Lets get Orpz talking.

[Mikecall]

Even when orpz might not be on?, then again, who is that hiding member in the shadows.

[powerofdeath]

Orpz is definitely sleeping right now. He sent me a message 5 in the morning in California.

[deathworlds]

Was thinking about that, anyone who survives n1 can be suspicious, but will it be in a good way or a bad way?

You fail to understand.

[powerofdeath]

Even when orpz might not be on?, then again, who is that hiding member in the shadows.

How experienced are you in forum mafia?

[Mikecall]

How experienced are you in forum mafia?

Not that experienced, this might be like idk 6th game of forum mafia or something.

[MattZed]

I'll take the one-use investigation as proof of our shopkeeper's claims.

[Firebringer]

Nobody cares, pressure Orpz.

Get Orpz to start talking. We will get a role claim by the end of the day.

[deathworlds]

Actually you should give me the vest.

[Mikecall]

Orpz

[Mikecall]

Or Better Yet, I Could Use That Vest.

[MattZed]

You all are too selfish. We need to find those scum.

I want the alignment-checker.

[deathworlds]

We need to protect our limited amount of power roles.

[Mikecall]

Considering that half the roles of town are power and half are protectors, keeping the power roles alive is the best benefit at the moment.

[Firebringer]

I don't need no protection, for the Sheriff Jailor is impossible to kill.

[MattZed]

Also, if you run into the problem of "I can't give you an alignment-checker because those don't exist," TRY HARDER, and then give me the one-use roleblock. Vests are still for cowards.

[Mikecall]

Vests for cowards? i'd say thats an invalid point as what happens if we have an important role revealed and wanted to get protection at night?, would save that role as well as give that town that extra day for getting those scum.

[deathworlds]

Mattzed

I got the reaction I want out of him.

[MattZed]

Mattzed

I got the reaction I want out of him.
And what reaction was that?

[MattZed]

Also I am offended that you again gave me a lowercase z. It's MattZed.

[Firebringer]

Okay Mattzed

[MattZed]

Okay Mattzed

Why I oughta...

If I had a "one-time cause someone's feedback to be returned in marquee," I know what I'd do with it.

[Mikecall]

Or should it be even worse o.o, mattZed.

[MattZed]

Or should it be even worse o.o, mattZed.

Don't make me ask the host for that marquee feedback power.

Also Fatalis is a lurking piece of scum until proven otherwise.

[Mikecall]

Well at the moment, Fatalis, Orpz and TDL havent said anything in chat at the moment.

[MattZed]

Well at the moment, Fatalis, Orpz and TDL havent said anything in chat at the moment.

Fatalis is in particular scum.

Just wait for it.

[Firebringer]

FM is full of so many lurkers.

Very annoying.


ALL OF YOU ARE EVIL EXCEPT ME

[Mikecall]

Eh, we'll wait and see. But by the very end of the day, i just want to have all those people to have posted just so we know they are here and not lurking. But on your point of view, Fatalis seems scummy but not that much to catch my attention at the moment.

[MattZed]

FM is full of so many lurkers.

Very annoying.


ALL OF YOU ARE EVIL EXCEPT ME

Shit, he's figured out the setup is a hoax and that this is actually an illuminati game. Abort the plan, guys.

[Mikecall]

FM is full of so many lurkers.

Very annoying.


ALL OF YOU ARE EVIL EXCEPT ME

Democracy, from pointing things out, you claim most people are lurkers?, i see that to be false evidence which backs up with another question, Why you think all of us are evil?, how do we know your not evil?

[Mikecall]

Shit, he's figured out the setup is a hoax and that this is actually an illuminati game. Abort the plan, guys.

Illuminati Confirmed.

[TheDarkestLight]

Also if TDL survives n1 hes scum

How did this even come up? Like, I'm not even a pro. I'm total shit early game unless very special opportunities arise, (IE, High School of the Dead), never get my master role (Mass Murderer), and was the first to die in an online Mafia tournament bringing tons of shame to the site BECAUSE I'm shit early game. If the case is because I'm good why isn't Orpz scum if he doesn't die night one? He's an FM MVP after all (Which I personally think was BS, because from what I can tell he just random shot and got lucky, other than with me but I was playing stupidly anyways since I had no idea what to do as a Neutral Benign).

And I had no idea the game started since it started so far after roles getting sent out...

(Forgive me, I'm pissed for RL reasons and need to take it out on someone).

[TheDarkestLight]

Powerofdeath

[ika]

FM is full of so many lurkers.

Very annoying.


ALL OF YOU ARE EVIL EXCEPT ME

Thats how FMs go though, you have people who have rl and jobs and such and dont deticate much time to the site anymore

[Stealthbomber16]

Why I oughta...

If I had a "one-time cause someone's feedback to be returned in marquee," I know what I'd do with it.

You triggered the secret word.
Everyones feedback will now be in marquee.

[Mikecall]

Oh MattZed.

[MattZed]

Thats how FMs go though, you have people who have rl and jobs and such and dont deticate much time to the site anymore
Being too busy is a scumtell in my book. Those who can find the time to join the sign-up thread can find the time to play.


Oh MattZed.
Wish you had spelled it that way sooner, don't ya?

[Orpz]

itt: mafia voting me because they know im a power role who will ruin their day

[ika]

Being too busy is a scumtell in my book. Those who can find the time to join the sign-up thread can find the time to play.



yet your not voting me for it?

[Orpz]

had a bitchin hike today

made it to the promised land of water at malibu

[MattZed]

yet your not voting me for it?
Your turn will come, scum. Patience.

[Orpz]

if I survive n1 im scum

[MattZed]

if I survive n1 im scum

You'd think that would be WIFOM'able, but it's not. It's actually just true.

[Orpz]

You'd think that would be WIFOM'able, but it's not. It's actually just true.

it's confirmed facts

Basic Variant, Biomed Industries, Double Agents, Average City,...

thats like 4/6 games I played :wondering:

oh no....I just realized....

I've only won games where I was scum

[Orpz]

guess my green name makes everyone subconsciously associate me with Town heheheheheh

[MattZed]

it's confirmed facts

Basic Variant, Biomed Industries, Double Agents, Average City,...

thats like 4/6 games I played :wondering:

oh no....I just realized....

I've only won games where I was scum
Good point. I'll let the N1 gods tell me if you are scum or not.

TheDarkestLight

[Orpz]

thanks fam

now that I've ensured my night 1 survival, hopefully my night action will be fruitful

i'd reveal it but i might get roleblocked

[Fatalis]

Fatalis is in particular scum.

Just wait for it.

yo fuckin what i havent posted

[MattZed]

yo fuckin what i havent posted
I don't need you to point out your scumslips to me.

[Fatalis]

I don't need you to point out your scumslips to me.

yo fuckin what??

[MattZed]

yo fuckin what??
This paltry defense of your scumslip is both unhelpful and unnecessary. We will deal with you in time.

[Fatalis]

This paltry defense of your scumslip is both unhelpful and unnecessary. We will deal with you in time.

i havent even posted where is my scumslip pls hlp

[powerofdeath]

hola

[MattZed]

Greetings, goodfellow! Welcome back to the thread. Do you have anything new to report?

[powerofdeath]

Greetings, goodfellow! Welcome back to the thread. Do you have anything new to report?

no

[powerofdeath]

I have a question, how involved do you guys want me be with scumhunting?

[MattZed]

I have a question, how involved do you guys want me be with scumhunting?

Depends. How good are you at it?

[powerofdeath]

I think the neutral have the best potential of reading people. They are not concerned with how people read him, and the scum/town usually dont give a shit about me

I tend to have pretty solid reads.

[Orpz]

Orpz is definitely sleeping right now. He sent me a message 5 in the morning in California.

can confirm

woke up at 5am to beat the Los Angeles traffic

[Orpz]

PoD, thanks for the offer but your services will not be required this game.

Neutral should not be scumhunting

[ika]

neutral should do whatever the fuck they like

[MattZed]

neutral should do whatever the fuck they like
As long as it involves giving me a one-use roleblock.

[Orpz]

ika, what do you think of MattZed? Personally I like him so far this game and it's only been 2 pages.

MattZed, what do you think of my attempt at appealing to your ego?

[Orpz]

Also to the Azorszos: if you're a Motivator, I suggest not using your ability at all and considering yourself a Citizen.

[MattZed]

ika, what do you think of MattZed? Personally I like him so far this game and it's only been 2 pages.

MattZed, what do you think of my attempt at appealing to your ego?
I enjoy this. I'm really going to miss you, Townie Orpz. It's a shame you never make it past N1.

[MattZed]

Also to the Azorszos: if you're a Motivator, I suggest not using your ability at all and considering yourself a Citizen.
Why call himself a citizen? It's still a unique role with a name.

Are you actually Scum Orpz???

[Orpz]

Sheriff is OP in this setup, so there probably will not be a Sheriff in the setup. Framer is thus useless and no chance of being included in this setup.

Consigliere, Consort, and Janitors are a solid role in any Mafia setup. Always a possibility.

Kidnapper is 100% confirmed because the Mafia is severely gimped in this setup. Hell, Town can win 2v5 games, so I would expect that in a 2v7 game, Mafia gets a killing advantage.

So Framer is impossible and Kidnapper is certain.

Then Consort is impossible because 2 certain roleblocks in an informed team is bad design.

So it becomes Kidnapper and Consigliere or Janitor.

Coin flipped heads.

Scum roles are Consigliere and Kidnapper.

discuss

[Orpz]

Why call himself a citizen? It's still a unique role with a name.

Are you actually Scum Orpz???

no worthwhile town to use motivation on imo

too risky if it hits a Mafia

[Orpz]

PoD I would very much appreciate a one-use vest

[MattZed]

Sheriff is OP in this setup, so there probably will not be a Sheriff in the setup. Framer is thus useless and no chance of being included in this setup.

Consigliere, Consort, and Janitors are a solid role in any Mafia setup. Always a possibility.

Kidnapper is 100% confirmed because the Mafia is severely gimped in this setup. Hell, Town can win 2v5 games, so I would expect that in a 2v7 game, Mafia gets a killing advantage.

So Framer is impossible and Kidnapper is certain.

Then Consort is impossible because 2 certain roleblocks in an informed team is bad design.

So it becomes Kidnapper and Consigliere or Janitor.

Coin flipped heads.

Scum roles are Consigliere and Kidnapper.

discuss
I think Scum Orpz just read his rolecard to figure out the mafia roles and sound smart.

[Orpz]

I don't need no protection, for the Sheriff Jailor is impossible to kill.

Interesting. Firebringer claims Vigilante.

Shoot MikeCall if he isn't lynched today.

MikeCall

[Orpz]

I think Scum Orpz just read his rolecard to figure out the mafia roles and sound smart.

this is a true statement

Especially line #7. Brilliant use of the Coin Toss Lemma to solidify and unite centuries of theoretical calculations.

[Orpz]

Motivator I changed my mind. Use your ability and just write in the last will who you targeted.

Target Firebringer.

[MattZed]

Interesting. Firebringer claims Vigilante.

Shoot MikeCall if he isn't lynched today.

MikeCall
Pivots from analysis of one person voting him to putting up someone else who's voting him. Tries to make it look like a MikeCall vs. Orpz scenario.

The only reason for this would be to cover for his scummate being voted up. Justify to me why you're trying so hard to defend TheDarkestLight, whom you haven't even scumhunted.

[Orpz]

Orpz Partial Playbook

No Lynch:
Vigilante - Shoot MikeCall
Jailor - Jail and kill MikeCall
Motivator - Motivate Firebringer
Doctor - Heal MattZed (again, I am appealing to his ego)
Bus Driver - Whatever you do, record it in the last will

[Orpz]

Pivots from analysis of one person voting him to putting up someone else who's voting him. Tries to make it look like a MikeCall vs. Orpz scenario.

The only reason for this would be to cover for his scummate being voted up. Justify to me why you're trying so hard to defend TheDarkestLight, whom you haven't even scumhunted.

TheDarkestLight is town to even the most casual observer.

First post right off the bat digresses just for the sole purpose of antagonizing another player (me). No scum in their right mind would do this.

[Firebringer]

If orpz lives tonight, I will think he is Evil tomorrow.

[MattZed]

this is a true statement

Especially line #7. Brilliant use of the Coin Toss Lemma to solidify and unite centuries of theoretical calculations.
You know as well as I do that the Coin Toss Lemma is actually a misnomer. It's nothing more than a weaker formulation of the Axiom of Determinacy, and I'm too much a proponent of ZFC to accept your heretic analysis.

Why do you even bother to hide behind such lies?


TheDarkestLight is town to even the most casual observer.

First post right off the bat digresses just for the sole purpose of antagonizing another player (me). No scum in their right mind would do this.
His post was nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt at distancing himself from you. Your attempt to cover for your scummate's slip only further solidifies my suspicions.



Orpz Partial Playbook

No Lynch:
Vigilante - Shoot MikeCall
Jailor - Jail and kill MikeCall
Motivator - Motivate Firebringer
Doctor - Heal MattZed (again, I am appealing to his ego)
Bus Driver - Whatever you do, record it in the last will
Ah, but why would MattZed need healing at all? Who in their right minds would shoot him so early?

If you're trying to reveal your sinister plan to me to appeal to my ego, it's not working.

[Orpz]

If orpz lives tonight, I will think he is Evil tomorrow.

Thank you for this post. Every time someone says this, my chance of surviving increases.

[MattZed]

Thank you for this post. Every time someone says this, my chance of surviving increases.
You would think so, but the WIFOM actually just always resolves itself by you dying if you're town.

If you're lucky, you can target yourself with the mafia faction kill and use a janitor to hide your role. It may be your only chance to save your partner from suspicion.

[Orpz]

You know as well as I do that the Coin Toss Lemma is actually a misnomer. It's nothing more than a weaker formulation of the Axiom of Determinacy, and I'm too much a proponent of ZFC to accept your heretic analysis.

Why do you even bother to hide behind such lies?

I concede that it might not be the most appropriately named but...

Heretic analysis? Such narrow-mindedness drove Cantor to insanity and an undeserved, pitiful end.

[Orpz]

His post was nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt at distancing himself from you. Your attempt to cover for your scummate's slip only further solidifies my suspicions.



False.

You know that if my teammate was scrublord enough to slip on his first post, he would have been bussed to the next city

[Orpz]

You would think so, but the WIFOM actually just always resolves itself by you dying if you're town.

If you're lucky, you can target yourself with the mafia faction kill and use a janitor to hide your role. It may be your only chance to save your partner from suspicion.

Right, but I'm a Citizen so I actually want to die on night 1. That's why I'm making all these posts now.

[Orpz]

False.

You know that if my teammate was scrublord enough to slip on his first post, he would have been bussed to the next city

I'll go ahead and just defend myself ahead of time. I don't like saying "If I was scum..." to show that I'm town, so I just skip that clause entirely. This sometimes always make me seem like I am a scum speaking from scum point of view.

[MattZed]

I concede that it might not be the most appropriately named but...

Heretic analysis? Such narrow-mindedness drove Cantor to insanity and an undeserved, pitiful end.

How could there even be non-Algebraic Real numbers? You can't explain that. And neither can you adequately explain TDL's actions. Comparing yourself to Cantor will not save you here.


False.

You know that if my teammate was scrublord enough to slip on his first post, he would have been bussed to the next city

Or would he? WIFOM.

(also curse you for defending yourself ahead of time)


Right, but I'm a Citizen so I actually want to die on night 1. That's why I'm making all these posts now.

I must say, it has really been a pleasure knowing you, Townie Orpz.

[MattZed]

I'll go ahead and just defend myself ahead of time. I don't like saying "If I was scum..." to show that I'm town, so I just skip that clause entirely. This sometimes always make me seem like I am a scum speaking from scum point of view.
Why are you so defensive of a standard practice? No one here would have thought twice about your omission of the clause, but now you draw attention to it. The omission was not your fatal scumslip; the defense of it was.

[Orpz]

How could there even be non-Algebraic Real numbers? You can't explain that. And neither can you adequately explain TDL's actions. Comparing yourself to Cantor will not save you here.



Or would he? WIFOM.

(also curse you for defending yourself ahead of time)



I must say, it has really been a pleasure knowing you, Townie Orpz.

TDL did nothing wrong.


Why are you so defensive of a standard practice? No one here would have thought twice about your omission of the clause, but now you draw attention to it. The omission was not your fatal scumslip; the defense of it was.

Lots of new faces + I've been lynched for it

[MattZed]

Lots of new faces + I've been lynched for it

I thought you were appeasing my ego.

[Orpz]

I thought you were appeasing my ego.

Only to see if I could trust you. I decided I could, so no more need for reaction prods. How's that for ego appeasement?

Mikecall, if you wish to live, I need your reads on Deathworlds and Fatalis

[Orpz]

Actually you'll still be lynched but at least your defense has a chance to make people skeptical and the day might end before it happens.

[MattZed]

Only to see if I could trust you. I decided I could, so no more need for reaction prods. How's that for ego appeasement?

Mikecall, if you wish to live, I need your reads on Deathworlds and Fatalis

And now after the feigned appeasement, you give me the true compliment of trust. I'm not even sure how to feel anymore.

Also, oh yeah, Fatalis.

Fatalis

[TheDarkestLight]

I like how everyone just auto believes the neutral will help us.

I don't.

He can potentially aid the scum. Even if he goes around passing things out to people who ask for them, those people who ask for them can be scum, and since he is the neutral, he won't care. Getting rid of him is the most efficient way to prevent the scum from getting anything that can aid them. Besides, he can easily just pop in and vote with the scum in the event of a 3v2v1, something I would rather not have. We have no definitive leads today, and believe me, I would know how poor peoples scum hunting is, I've been on the receiving end of it in some big tournament. We are more than likely to lynch a town if we lynch based on reads.

IE, lynching the claimed neutral is the best play FMPoV.

[Fatalis]

And now after the feigned appeasement, you give me the true compliment of trust. I'm not even sure how to feel anymore.

Also, oh yeah, Fatalis.

Fatalis

ive been lurking here for like 2 hours and i think you are on weeds

[Fatalis]

I like how everyone just auto believes the neutral will help us.

I don't.

He can potentially aid the scum. Even if he goes around passing things out to people who ask for them, those people who ask for them can be scum, and since he is the neutral, he won't care. Getting rid of him is the most efficient way to prevent the scum from getting anything that can aid them. Besides, he can easily just pop in and vote with the scum in the event of a 3v2v1, something I would rather not have. We have no definitive leads today, and believe me, I would know how poor peoples scum hunting is, I've been on the receiving end of it in some big tournament. We are more than likely to lynch a town if we lynch based on reads.

IE, lynching the claimed neutral is the best play FMPoV.

now that i agree

[MattZed]

I like how everyone just auto believes the neutral will help us.

I don't.

He can potentially aid the scum. Even if he goes around passing things out to people who ask for them, those people who ask for them can be scum, and since he is the neutral, he won't care. Getting rid of him is the most efficient way to prevent the scum from getting anything that can aid them. Besides, he can easily just pop in and vote with the scum in the event of a 3v2v1, something I would rather not have. We have no definitive leads today, and believe me, I would know how poor peoples scum hunting is, I've been on the receiving end of it in some big tournament. We are more than likely to lynch a town if we lynch based on reads.

IE, lynching the claimed neutral is the best play FMPoV.

I don't believe he'd be inclined to help us, either.

I was hoping no one would bring this up, because I actually completely agree that it's in our best interest to lynch him. The two big things would could do today are lynch PoD or not lynch at all. I was hoping we'd gain his trust (and item?) for a night or so and only use a lynch on him if we can't find scum. However, now the opportunity to do that is gone, and we must act.

powerofdeath

Does anyone actually need convincing that 7v2 is worse than 7v2v1?

[Fatalis]

powerofdeath

[Orpz]

7v2 is favorable over 7v2v1

But 7v1v1 is the superior outcome

Still hyping the MikeCall lynch train

[Fatalis]

7v2 is favorable over 7v2v1

But 7v1v1 is the superior outcome

Still hyping the MikeCall lynch train

i like to lynch the one with 100% sure favorable outcome

[MattZed]

i like to lynch the one with 100% sure favorable outcome

I am of the same accord. It's simply a safe option.

[Fatalis]

I am of the same accord. It's simply a safe option.

maybe you should stop ignoring me and explain why im scum

[TheDarkestLight]

7v2 is favorable over 7v2v1

But 7v1v1 is the superior outcome

Still hyping the MikeCall lynch train


i like to lynch the one with 100% sure favorable outcome

I'm not trusting anyone's scumhunting skills this early in the game, there aren't enough lies to catch up to people at this point and in my experience, basic act reading is flawed and rarely ever works.

[MattZed]

maybe you should stop ignoring me and explain why im scum
You can't defend your scumslip of D1 lurkiness by trying to put me on the defensive. Like I said, we'll deal with you in time.

[Fatalis]

You can't defend your scumslip of D1 lurkiness by trying to put me on the defensive. Like I said, we'll deal with you in time.

0/10

[powerofdeath]

mikecall

I had him pegged as scum by just looking through the game.

[MattZed]

mikecall

I had him pegged as scum by just looking through the game.

I would be personally offended if this stall tactic works.

[TheDarkestLight]

mikecall

I had him pegged as scum by just looking through the game.

You don't think that, you just don't want to be lynched for making a bad play.

[powerofdeath]

You don't think that, you just don't want to be lynched for making a bad play.

I actually do. I had him scum for dumbtelling, asking pointless questions, and acting like 'curious town'. Its a huge scumtell in epicmafia. I wonder if its the same for forums.

[powerofdeath]

How experienced are you in forum mafia?

Why did you think I asked him this.

[deathworlds]

Keeping my vote on mattzed

Goodnight

[MattZed]

Keeping my vote on mattzed

Goodnight
You better be back to get on the PoD train before day ends.

[TheDarkestLight]

Keeping my vote on mattzed

Goodnight

Bad idea. Lynch PoD, there is no way your lynch is going through, this one might.

[deathworlds]

You better be back to get on the PoD train before day ends.

I still got my own game to host, so you can def expect me back before days end.

[powerofdeath]

I will give town items they need to help, I promise I wont give scums any items. You guys can post in blues suggesting what items you want me to give to whom. I usually ignore all greedy request for themselves.

[powerofdeath]

Beside, being obsessed with me is not gonna help town, all it does is help scum from avoiding d1 scumhunting, or make scums look towny by trying to start a bandwagon on me.

[Orpz]

Beside, being obsessed with me is not gonna help town, all it does is help scum from avoiding d1 scumhunting, or make scums look towny by trying to start a bandwagon on me.

Exactly this.

I will take one gun please

[ika]

Exactly this.

I will take one gun please

he said hes not going to help greddy motherfuckers

[Orpz]

I'll settle for a vest then

[Mikecall]

Only to see if I could trust you. I decided I could, so no more need for reaction prods. How's that for ego appeasement?

Mikecall, if you wish to live, I need your reads on Deathworlds and Fatalis

Well, both have posted and by looking at it, doesnt seem to be the most suspicious at the moment, when actually the most suspicious i am thinking off is you with that, 'Lets Get Mikecall Lynched' attitude.


Actually you'll still be lynched but at least your defense has a chance to make people skeptical and the day might end before it happens.

Really now, you still want me to get lynched, i can just tell by the way your being offensive tells that you are mafia scum trying to get the people who haven't played much dead first.
Maybe your trying to lynch me so you and and your mafia friend can kill another town role the next night.


7v2 is favorable over 7v2v1

But 7v1v1 is the superior outcome

Still hyping the MikeCall lynch train

Even when i am away, you still want to get a lynch train on me. How about stop looking at superior facts and you should really look at what's in front of you.

So if you still want to presist in trying to lose a townie, i'd like you to continue. Wouldn't be a big benefit to the town losing a role which is quite important to the town.


mikecall

I had him pegged as scum by just looking through the game.


Interesting. Firebringer claims Vigilante.

Shoot MikeCall if he isn't lynched today.

MikeCall

Your all on about lynching me and now you want vigilante to do the work?, seems a scum slip has been spotted, your too focused on trying to kill me that you make little mistakes in making yourself an opposer. Got anything to say about that?


Orpz Partial Playbook

No Lynch:
Vigilante - Shoot MikeCall
Jailor - Jail and kill MikeCall
Motivator - Motivate Firebringer
Doctor - Heal MattZed (again, I am appealing to his ego)
Bus Driver - Whatever you do, record it in the last will

You just never stop wanting me dead do you, from what i can tell, this is obviously a mafia member wanting to get a townie dead so much wasting such a stupid night to let mafia kill another townie. Want my opinion, why should i trust someone wanting to kill me through using multiple posts for different scenarios.


I actually do. I had him scum for dumbtelling, asking pointless questions, and acting like 'curious town'. Its a huge scumtell in epicmafia. I wonder if its the same for forums.

Was i now PoD, the way you are playing, you might seem to be all innocent saying you will help the town is every way but in the end, you will do what all neutrals would love to do, helping the mafia win and backstabbing the town for doing so.

So from all this, i am keeping my vote on Orpz until anyone would love to have a big reason on why i shouldn't.

[MattZed]

Mikecall, vote up PoD? Making this a 7v2 is more than worth the D1 lynch.

No need to stop the scumhunting, but those votes should be going up on the neutral claimer.

[Mikecall]

powerofdeath

[Mikecall]

But i am still cautious around Orpz, there is something more than the claiming of citizen that is suspicious.

[TheDarkestLight]

Beside, being obsessed with me is not gonna help town, all it does is help scum from avoiding d1 scumhunting, or make scums look towny by trying to start a bandwagon on me.

D1 active scum hunting is weak and reveals TPRs more often than scum. D1 is strong when you add it with information from other days. Also, lynch trains are some of the best things to read.


Exactly this.

I will take one gun please


I'll settle for a vest then

... As much as I hate d1 active scum hunting... these posts reek of scumminess.

[powerofdeath]

powerofdeath

The way he voted me was scummy, he couldve voted me in his long post, but he only voted me because you told him to ^^

[powerofdeath]

But i am still cautious around Orpz, there is something more than the claiming of citizen that is suspicious.

After the vote he said he would rather lynch someone else, aka orpz, even when Orpz towntold so hard.

I know it is probably too late to lynch mikecall since day end in one hour, and hopefully my lynch as well. For me, its survive day 1 or bust.

Anyway, lynch him tomorrow.

[Mikecall]

Even when orpz told firebringer to fire at me, i think i know i wont survive, just wanted to get my evidence out there so you guys know when the vigi claimer fires at me and kills a townie, it was to prove he is confirmed.

[Mikecall]

Also i like how a Shopkeeper follows Orpz in lynching me, even if he said that kidnapper and consigliere are mafia roles, I would find that hard to believe.

[Mikecall]

Unless orpz's predictions are correct. I wouldnt trust 1 bit.

[Stealthbomber16]

A distant bell tolls, very faint. The voice of the Wraith King, unmistakable, adds:
You have less than an hour left.

[Stealthbomber16]

With the sun setting and the curfew bell tolling in the distance, all of the citizens of the Wraith King's kingdom go to sleep.

...Or, do they?

Wraith Knight and Azorszos have been called to a meeting in the Kings throne room. "I am sure you were at the large public outburst today. I need your help. You are off of curfew for now. I need you to help me find all the Opposers in this kingdom."

Meanwhile, the Opposers go to their hideout. Curfew is the least of the crimes they're going to commit.

Night One
Nobody was lynched!
powerofdeath L-2
MattZed, Mikecall, TheDarkestLight, Fatalis

Orpz L-5
Firebringer

MattZed L-5
deathworlds

Mikecall L-4
Orpz, powerofdeath


Night chats are now open.
Night ends at 11:00 PDT, June 21st.

[Stealthbomber16]

Day Two

Immediately after the meeting was disbanded, and the Kings subjects left the room, the Opposers struck.
MattZed the Wraith King hadn't expected an attack in the place he felt the safest in.
And because of that, he died quickly.

MattZed left a last will.

YOUR WRAITH KING HAS FALLEN

But worry not, my citizens. In your darkest hour, I may yet return again to save those of you who remain. Do not lose hope, and do not surrender. We still have the advantage, and we must pursue it until the end.

I have none of you that I am particularly suspicious of, but I will be vigilantly watching this town from the beyond. When I return, evil shall know the wrath of the wraith king.

But before I go, I shall impart some of my wisdom to you all: If you ever have no viable leads, lynch the neutral. There is no reason to trust he will not betray us in a 3v2v1 situation. This should not be interpreted as a license to not hunt scum in the meatime.

I will return.

ONWARD TO VICTORY

An article in the Newspaper caught everyones eye.

Player List
1. Mikecall: GETTING ATTACKED BY ORPZ FOR POOR REASONS. I DON'T RECALL SEEING ORPZ HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST HIM, JUST HIM SAYING " SHOOT HIM/KILL HIM/JAIL AND EXECUTE HIM". I PERSONALLY THOUGHT HE LOOKED RELATIVELY TOWNIE. EVEN THE NEUTRAL HOPPED ON HIS TRAIN. THIS IN MY OPINION DOES NOT LOOK GOOD ON ORPZ'S WEAK ACCUSATIONS. I HIGHLY BELIEVE HIM TO BE TOWNISH.
2. Hypersniper: LURKING SCUMBAG.
3. powerofdeath: I DO NOT LIKE HIM. HE CLAIMED NEUTRAL. HE COULD EASILY BACK STAB US. I SUGGEST WE LYNCH HIM ASAP. THE TOWN WAS STUPID TO GET NOTHING DONE D1.
4. ika: LURKY MC LURKINSON.
5. Orpz: HE SEEMS TO BE GOING TO GREAT LENGTHS TO DEFEND THE NEUTRAL. I FEEL LIKE IF TDL ISN'T SCUM THEN HE IS. HE SEEMS TO BE TRYING TO GUIDE THE NEUTRAL, SOMETHING TOWN SHOULDN'T DO, SINCE WE SHOULD BE KILLING NEUTRAL. I WOULD PUT HIM AS SCUM OVER TDL. CLAIMED PR IN 80.
6. TheDarkestLight: I AGREE WITH HIS OPINION ON THE NEUTRAL, YET THAT IS ALL HE'S DONE. WHINE ABOUT THE NEUTRAL AND HOW SCUM HUNTING D1 IS BAD. ALTHOUGH HE DID SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT HE WON'T DO MUCH D1, IT COULD EASILY BE A SCUM TRYING TO KEEP THE SPOTLIGHT OFF HIMSELF. EVEN SO, THE NEUTRAL IS A BETTER LYNCH.
7. deathworlds: HE PRETTY MUCH CLAIMED PR IN 42 AND 46. IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE YOU'RE A MORON. HE REFUSED TO HOP ON THE NEUTRAL TRAIN. HE MIGHT BE SCUM TRYING TO SUCK UP TO THE NEUTRAL SO HE CAN GET ITS VOTE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE.
8. MattZed: SEES VERY FLIP FLOPPY AND ALL OVER THE PLACE. DIAGNOSIS, NEWBIE TRYING TO HANDLE TOO MUCH AT ONE TIME. HOWEVER, HIS POSTS SEEM TO LEAN TOWARDS TOWN. HE HOPPED ONTO THE NEUTRAL TRAIN, BUT SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT ALTHOUGH HE KNEW WHAT TDL SAID BEFORE HE SAID IT, HE NEVER BROUGHT IT UP HIMSELF. THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING THOUGHT TO THINK ON. THE RESTS OF HIS POSTS ARE GENERALLY TOWNIE.
9. Firebringer: HIS STUPID SHERIFF JAILOR SHIT IS ANNOYING. WILL HE SHUT UP ABOUT THAT FOR A SINGLE GAME?
10. Fatalis: PRETTY LURKY. DID NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE SAVE HOP IN A TRAIN AGAINST A NEUTRAL. COULD EASILY BE SCUM.

HERE IS WHAT WE MUST DO

LYNCH POD
LET NIGHT PASS (SUBJECT TO CHANGE SINCE THE ONLY TPR WE KNOW IS JOURNALIST, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE SPECIAL)
LYNCH ORPZ/MIKECALL
LET NIGHT PASS
LYNCH ORPZ/MIKECALL (IF THE ONE FROM THE DAY BEFORE WAS TOWN)/LYNCH TDL(IF MIKECALL IS SCUM)

IF WE DON'T GET AT LEAST ONE SCUM FROM THAT, WE'RE STUPID AND DESERVE TO LOSE.

[TheDarkestLight]

Powerofdeath

Unless someone has a better idea.

[Firebringer]

That article in all caps is really annoying.

[Firebringer]

9. Firebringer: HIS STUPID SHERIFF JAILOR SHIT IS ANNOYING. WILL HE SHUT UP ABOUT THAT FOR A SINGLE GAME? No.

[TheDarkestLight]

That article in all caps is really annoying.

Hop onto the pod train.

[Orpz]

PoD didn't give me anything....why?

[Orpz]

Hell I had no feedback at all

[Orpz]

Powerofdeath

Unless someone has a better idea.

Yeah I do

Fatalis

[Hypersniper]

yo lads ima here ready to be a swag lad
Powerofdeath

[TheDarkestLight]

Yeah I do

Fatalis

For what reasons?

[TheDarkestLight]

For what reasons?

Forgive me for not blindly hopping a train.

[ika]

fatailis

im also for lynching TDL

[TheDarkestLight]

fatailis

im also for lynching TDL

Says the lurker who has contributed nothing but blindly sheeping a train with no reason.

[ika]

Says the lurker who has contributed nothing but blindly sheeping a train with no reason.

says the guy who wants to lynch a neutral that does not further towns wincon in any fasion

[TheDarkestLight]

says the guy who wants to lynch a neutral that does not further towns wincon in any fasion

I already explained it. He can help the scum in an instant.

[ika]

I already explained it. He can help the scum in an instant.

but at the same accord, he can help town.

how come you are alive again?

[powerofdeath]

I gave a gun to my biggest town read. Figure it out.

[powerofdeath]

Hop onto the pod train.

Lynching me give mafia another kill. Do you really want another dead town? The king died. No wonder why you get lynched on day 1 that game.

[Stealthbomber16]

I feel like I should announce this because its a big problem,
One person received their feedback late

[TheDarkestLight]

but at the same accord, he can help town.

how come you are alive again?

How come you are alive?


Lynching me give mafia another kill. Do you really want another dead town? The king died. No wonder why you get lynched on day 1 that game.

Clearly the Mafia won't be killing again tonight anyways... And we'd probably be lynching another townie if we didn't lynch you anyways, Orpz is throwing out random accusations here and there giving no reasoning behind them and apparently that warrants enough for some scummy people, IE ika, to just hop on for no apparent reason.

And the personal attack? Really? Shows your character. I got lynched because of moronic scum hunting.

[TheDarkestLight]

I gave a gun to my biggest town read. Figure it out.


I feel like I should announce this because its a big problem,
One person received their feedback late

Probably Orpz. Because he's so pro town with nothing but random accusations... please point me in the direction were he gave any reasoning to what he's been calling out.

[TheDarkestLight]

I'd also like to point out that Matt was one of the people on the PoD train, so it could easily be the scum trying to defend him and they got lucky with him being the King.

[Mikecall]

I gave a gun to my biggest town read. Figure it out.

You seem to give it to the biggest town read, but how do we know you havent given it to an opposer to throw town off?
Also coincidence how one of the people who wanted to lynch you died?, i find that very suspicious.
powerofdeath

[powerofdeath]

You seem to give it to the biggest town read, but how do we know you havent given it to an opposer to throw town off?
Also coincidence how one of the people who wanted to lynch you died?, i find that very suspicious.
powerofdeath

Are you saying I'm not neutral? You are definitely scum.

[TheDarkestLight]

You seem to give it to the biggest town read, but how do we know you havent given it to an opposer to throw town off?
Also coincidence how one of the people who wanted to lynch you died?, i find that very suspicious.
powerofdeath


Are you saying I'm not neutral? You are definitely scum.

I don't see where he said you weren't neutral. If it's the second part, I already explained that. You're just throwing out an OMGUS vote.

[Mikecall]

Are you saying I'm not neutral? You are definitely scum.

No, As you are the only claimer of shopkeeper, but i find that rather suspicious how the opposers targetted people who tried to lynch you. Even jumping on a lynch train when orpz was wanting me dead says a lot about what you are going to do if you left alive to the very end.

[TheDarkestLight]

Correction, not a vote. Accusation.

[powerofdeath]

I'd also like to point out that Matt was one of the people on the PoD train, so it could easily be the scum trying to defend him and they got lucky with him being the King.

Do you realize pushing the lynch on me really hurt the town.

1. You are wasting your discussion and Day 2 on a silly neutral. What if I dont exist, what would you be doing right now? That what youre supposed to do right now.
2. Scums like to push against neutrals for towncreds, since they cant really scumhunt when they know their partners, they instead go against the neutral.
3. All you are right now is making yourself look really scummy.
4. Louiswill proved a point many games ago when he was neutral and he outted day 1, most people that was on his bandwagon day 1 were scum. (4 people voted me, 1 died, 3 people left)

I am 100% down for TDL/mikecall lynch. Dunno about fatalis though.

[powerofdeath]

TheDarkestLight

[Mikecall]

Do you realize pushing the lynch on me really hurt the town.

1. You are wasting your discussion and Day 2 on a silly neutral. What if I dont exist, what would you be doing right now? That what youre supposed to do right now.
2. Scums like to push against neutrals for towncreds, since they cant really scumhunt when they know their partners, they instead go against the neutral.
3. All you are right now is making yourself look really scummy.
4. Louiswill proved a point many games ago when he was neutral and he outted day 1, most people that was on his bandwagon day 1 were scum. (4 people voted me, 1 died, 3 people left)

I am 100% down for TDL/mikecall lynch. Dunno about fatalis though.

You seem to be very comfortable trying to put a lynch on both me and tdl for a neutral. Also how does it hurt the town when if you are lynched? there are 2 ways that it can go:
If you are lynched, then it will be a 6v2 suitation at the end of the day and if another townie dies, then it will put us in a 5v2 suituation. Then next day, we can all claim the roles we have and if a role is more than normal like 5 protectors, then we can question and find out who is the most scum.
If you are kep't alive, then a mislynch will put us at a 5v2v1 at the end of the day and lets say another townie dies next round, it will put us at a 4v2v1 suituation which will pretty much be a town lose if at the end of that day it is a mislynch.

[TheDarkestLight]

Do you realize pushing the lynch on me really hurt the town.

1. You are wasting your discussion and Day 2 on a silly neutral. What if I dont exist, what would you be doing right now? That what youre supposed to do right now.
2. Scums like to push against neutrals for towncreds, since they cant really scumhunt when they know their partners, they instead go against the neutral.
3. All you are right now is making yourself look really scummy.
4. Louiswill proved a point many games ago when he was neutral and he outted day 1, most people that was on his bandwagon day 1 were scum. (4 people voted me, 1 died, 3 people left)

I am 100% down for TDL/mikecall lynch. Dunno about fatalis though.

1: A neutral that can screw the town over so significantly it isn't even funny. If you didn't exist I would have to find another method of scum hunting. It's the towns fault you made it into today. You already significantly hurt the town by handing out a gun, when the setup shows most of the others are more important.
2: Like I said yesterday, lynch trains are the best places to scum hunt. And if scum are on this train, they're only hurting themselves.
3: Opinions
4: One game.

[TheDarkestLight]

I would be all for lynching Mikecall and Fatalis if Orpz actually told us why he thinks they need to be lynched.

[Mikecall]

I would be all for lynching Mikecall and Fatalis if Orpz actually told us why he thinks they need to be lynched.

Right, and forget about pod in total, i find that to be very scum. For my point of view, you and orpz are very suspicious considering if orpz had a good reason than saying random accusations, you would blindly follow it and lose a potential town if the others followed as well.

[TheDarkestLight]

Right, and forget about pod in total, i find that to be very scum. For my point of view, you and orpz are very suspicious considering if orpz had a good reason than saying random accusations, you would blindly follow it and lose a potential town if the others followed as well.

That's not what I meant. If it's a good reason and it actually looks like it's a possibility, then I would. Who wouldn't? You can go on all day saying "if you lynch me you lose a town". I could say the same thing. If you came up with a better defense to his accusations, then I wouldn't lynch you. Same case for Fatalis. But Fatalis is scummy in the first place for his lurking and general inability to do anything important. You're not scummy FMPoV, but if Orpz pointed out something that I missed, then that could very well easily change my opinion about you. I wouldn't blindly follow him, his reasons have to make sense.

[TheDarkestLight]

That's not what I meant. If it's a good reason and it actually looks like it's a possibility, then I would. Who wouldn't? You can go on all day saying "if you lynch me you lose a town". I could say the same thing. If you came up with a better defense to his accusations, then I wouldn't lynch you. Same case for Fatalis. But Fatalis is scummy in the first place for his lurking and general inability to do anything important. You're not scummy FMPoV, but if Orpz pointed out something that I missed, then that could very well easily change my opinion about you. I wouldn't blindly follow him, his reasons have to make sense.

And I wouldn't forget about PoD. But I would lynch a Mafia over him if given the opportunity. Unfortunately, I see no good reasons as to why anyone could be Mafia.

[powerofdeath]

TDL and for those who does want to lynch me because theyre afraid of 3v2v1, think about this. Lynching me now will make it 2v2 at the same point which will automatically make mafia win. (No lynching will make it 2v2v1, which town can still win)

Anyway. Forget about me for now, and focus on finding scums. If there is like 2-4 hours left in the day and you found no one else, that when you should be concerned if you should lynch me or not instead of first 2 hours with 22 hours left.

[TheDarkestLight]

TDL and for those who does want to lynch me because theyre afraid of 3v2v1, think about this. Lynching me now will make it 2v2 at the same point which will automatically make mafia win. (No lynching will make it 2v2v1, which town can still win)

Anyway. Forget about me for now, and focus on finding scums. If there is like 2-4 hours left in the day and you found no one else, that when you should be concerned if you should lynch me or not instead of first 2 hours with 22 hours left.

Trains are the best places to scum hunt.

[powerofdeath]

Trains are the best places to scum hunt.

How do you expect to find scums out of this train?

[TheDarkestLight]

How do you expect to find scums out of this train?

I'm not going to say my methods as then they'll simply work around them.

[Orpz]

1: A neutral that can screw the town over so significantly it isn't even funny. If you didn't exist I would have to find another method of scum hunting. It's the towns fault you made it into today. You already significantly hurt the town by handing out a gun, when the setup shows most of the others are more important.
2: Like I said yesterday, lynch trains are the best places to scum hunt. And if scum are on this train, they're only hurting themselves.
3: Opinions
4: One game.

I was just testing MikeCall's reaction to my random vote on Fatalis to see if there was any noticeable association.

Who was the Protector that interviewed MattZed last night? If you reveal yourself, you confirm yourself as Town and you are no longer a power role so it's not like you need to hide.

[Orpz]

PoD, who is your biggest town read?

[Orpz]

brb fathers day stuff

[TheDarkestLight]

I was just testing MikeCall's reaction to my random vote on Fatalis to see if there was any noticeable association.

Who was the Protector that interviewed MattZed last night? If you reveal yourself, you confirm yourself as Town and you are no longer a power role so it's not like you need to hide.

How do you know Matt got interviewed?

[Firebringer]

I am lurking in this game now.

powerofdeath

[Mikecall]

I am lurking in this game now.

powerofdeath

So your reversing what you where doing yesterday, interesting.

[Mikecall]

Only thing i hope that the person that pod gave the gun to wasnt an opposer.

[powerofdeath]

What does mikecall/tdl think about the newspaper

HERE IS WHAT WE MUST DO

LYNCH ORPZ/MIKECALL
LET NIGHT PASS
LYNCH ORPZ/MIKECALL (IF THE ONE FROM THE DAY BEFORE WAS TOWN)/LYNCH TDL(IF MIKECALL IS SCUM)

IF WE DON'T GET AT LEAST ONE SCUM FROM THAT, WE'RE STUPID AND DESERVE TO LOSE.

[Orpz]

How do you know Matt got interviewed?

Just a hunch. He's a very viable journalist target, and his last will utilizes ALL CAPS at the end; perhaps it was to tip us off.

I find MikeCall's lack to collision with me to be very disturbing. His defense is too defensive.

[Orpz]

Just a hunch. He's a very viable journalist target, and his last will utilizes ALL CAPS at the end; perhaps it was to tip us off.

I find MikeCall's lack to collision with me to be very disturbing. His defense is too defensive.

actually I went back and found it. Must have forgotten about it cause it seemed so insincere

[TheDarkestLight]

What does mikecall/tdl think about the newspaper

HERE IS WHAT WE MUST DO

LYNCH ORPZ/MIKECALL
LET NIGHT PASS
LYNCH ORPZ/MIKECALL (IF THE ONE FROM THE DAY BEFORE WAS TOWN)/LYNCH TDL(IF MIKECALL IS SCUM)

IF WE DON'T GET AT LEAST ONE SCUM FROM THAT, WE'RE STUPID AND DESERVE TO LOSE.

I'm not making any attempt to, but I could see how someone could assume I somehow buddied with Mike.

[Mikecall]

Well, orpz, we always got that option if at the very end of the day we dont get a lynch, we always got power to kill so we can have a 6v2 combo at the very end. Then next day, we will probably either have 5 town left if mafia hit or 4 town if the guy with the gun kills a townie also.

[Orpz]

Well, orpz, we always got that option if at the very end of the day we dont get a lynch, we always got power to kill so we can have a 6v2 combo at the very end. Then next day, we will probably either have 5 town left if mafia hit or 4 town if the guy with the gun kills a townie also.

What? I'm talking about lynching you

[Mikecall]

Eh, i still love that the article is mainly focusing on Me and Orpz and a tad bit focusing on TDL. I'll have a look at it and see if i can find anything useful with how it is presenting the other people.

[Mikecall]

And still, you focus on me, the way your not voting pod is very suspicious as you want pod to give more weapons or more of his merchandise to the other players then it will turn into a random shooting in the night hoping to get that lucky chance of getting the mafia.

[Mikecall]

And also there is something more than just talking about the lynch, if you are going to vote me then do it, or else, your just making yourself look more of an opposer.

[Orpz]

And still, you focus on me, the way your not voting pod is very suspicious as you want pod to give more weapons or more of his merchandise to the other players then it will turn into a random shooting in the night hoping to get that lucky chance of getting the mafia.

Actually I'm debating on that but I still want to help PoD win cause he's a friend and it doesn't harm me. If only he would give me a god damn gun to pay back my kindness smh


And also there is something more than just talking about the lynch, if you are going to vote me then do it, or else, your just making yourself look more of an opposer.

MikeCall

Slipped my mind

[Mikecall]

And for what use would you use that gun?, from my guess, it would be shooting me with it, given any chance, pod could just give a gun every round to random people and then pow, another member of the town is dead. Unless we have a doctor in this setup.

[Mikecall]

Which reminds me, has anyone been bus driven last round?

[TheDarkestLight]

Actually I'm debating on that but I still want to help PoD win cause he's a friend and it doesn't harm me. If only he would give me a god damn gun to pay back my kindness smh

Kindness... and friendship? Outside feelings should not matter in game. So what if he's a friend, he's more of a hindrance than a help to the town. Passing out guns is only going to hurt us.

[Orpz]

Kindness... and friendship? Outside feelings should not matter in game. So what if he's a friend, he's more of a hindrance than a help to the town. Passing out guns is only going to hurt us.

Guns only hurt if they go into scum or a random shooters' hands.

[Orpz]

Guns only hurt if they go into scum or a random shooters' hands.

Which PoD did not do, because he said he gave it to his best townread....so probably MattZed...

[ika]

sigh......

this game is stupid...

ive hosted a game not long ago where a neutral claimed day 1, scums wasted time and effort trying to lynch and also defend it. if people like i can link it but i see this being a waste of time trying to lynch a neutral, if anything he should be a lynch a day before lylo however i doubt hes scum siding and i rather play with people who want to play witha fashin to have fun instead of a fasion to win and screw people over

[Firebringer]

sigh......

this game is stupid...

ive hosted a game not long ago where a neutral claimed day 1, scums wasted time and effort trying to lynch and also defend it. if people like i can link it but i see this being a waste of time trying to lynch a neutral, if anything he should be a lynch a day before lylo however i doubt hes scum siding and i rather play with people who want to play witha fashin to have fun instead of a fasion to win and screw people over

Sounds evil, lets get Ika instead!!!

[Mikecall]

sigh......

this game is stupid...

ive hosted a game not long ago where a neutral claimed day 1, scums wasted time and effort trying to lynch and also defend it. if people like i can link it but i see this being a waste of time trying to lynch a neutral, if anything he should be a lynch a day before lylo however i doubt hes scum siding and i rather play with people who want to play witha fashin to have fun instead of a fasion to win and screw people over

But is it screwing over when we have that chance to make it to a 6v2 suituation if no casualities happen at night. Think about it, we can confirm those if they are claiming a power role and find out if any of the claimers are claiming the same role multiple times and can rule out who is evil or not. If the shopkeeper proceeds to live, then he can just hand more guns to more people and if handed to an opposer, will use at night and make us lose another townie. With the way he has already gave a gun to another member shows that he is not to be trusted with.

[powerofdeath]

Ika, what do you think of mikecall?

[powerofdeath]

Firebringer, who are your scumreads?

[powerofdeath]

Am annoyed that the loudest player here are mostly mikecall and TDL.

[Mikecall]

Well i wonder why, also why are you annoyed that me and TDL are the most active?

[Mikecall]

Which reminds me, havent heard many posts from deathworlds yet.

[Firebringer]

My reads? I honestly don't have a good grip on the player base right now.

I will give my guesses though in a minute.

[Fatalis]

its day 2

things change, pod is no longer top priority

he was yesterday because the game just began and its harder to find mafia

brb im gonna read mikecall's posts to see if i agree with orpz

[powerofdeath]

You see, this is why trying to lynch neutral is cancerous to the town. Firebringer doesnt know who he fos. It's day 2.

[Fatalis]

I would be all for lynching Mikecall and Fatalis if Orpz actually told us why he thinks they need to be lynched.
this is some bad shit right here

he has no scumhunting on his own and just wants to sheep orpz

TheDarkestLight

also he pushed hard on pod which doesnt make sense early in the day, pod should be the alternative option if we cant find scum today

[Fatalis]

mikecall doesnt look as scummy as tdl to me

[Firebringer]

Mikecall-I have a feeling he is the journalist or opposer.
Orpz-Loud and trying to direct town, I would be shocked if he was anything but Protector. Well not that shocked.
HyperSniper-Quiet lurker, might be a town power, could be evil. Don't know enough on him yet.
Fatalis-The guy feels like he might opposer, but I really think he is just protector.
Deathworlds-Quiet, not commenting much, if he isn't power role probably evil.
TheDarkestLight-I think he is protector, I don't get a evil feeling from him at all. Could always be wrong of course.
powerofdeath-Shopkeeper or playing some weird mind game with us, either way. Not sure we can completely trust him.
Ika-Probably town protector, he plays this with such WIFOM that he will act evil when he is town and act town when evil so right now he appears as town to me so probably evil.
Firebringer-Always town always.

[Firebringer]

Screw it.

Ika

We gotta get rid of Ika, I don't trust him one bit.

[Orpz]

Deathworlds come back and lead us or you're scum

[TheDarkestLight]

this is some bad shit right here

he has no scumhunting on his own and just wants to sheep orpz

TheDarkestLight

also he pushed hard on pod which doesnt make sense early in the day, pod should be the alternative option if we cant find scum today

Because clearly I didn't explain that earlier. Also, I've explained the train on PoD already, and with all the lurkers, it's highly unlikely we'll get a lynch off last minute.

[TheDarkestLight]

Because clearly I didn't explain that earlier. Also, I've explained the train on PoD already, and with all the lurkers, it's highly unlikely we'll get a lynch off last minute.

Not to mention the complete lack of unity among all of us.

[Firebringer]

TheDarkestLight, lets get Ika. I got a bad feeling on that guy.

[TheDarkestLight]

TheDarkestLight, lets get Ika. I got a bad feeling on that guy.

Lemme re-read him.

[powerofdeath]

TDL who do you scumread?

[TheDarkestLight]

TDL who do you scumread?

I have them in a few branches. These are only the basics, nothing super in-depth.

Scummy Lurkers: They lurk a lot and hardly contribute, yet for some reason very few people even seem to care about them.
Ika: Will be in another post.
Fatalis: He acts like he's a badass and then lurks. He's gone half the day, barely posts and then "poof" he's gone. Like he wants stuff to happen but isn't willing to commit. Something that I tend to see scum do.
Hypersniper: Just hops on your train and "poof", gone.
Deathworlds: Needs to show his face around today. He wasn't exactly that townie yesterday either, he said he'd be back and never was, and now he still isn't here.

One of these two:
Orpz/Mikecall: I doubt they are on the same team. I sincerely doubt it. Although I'm leaning in favor of Mikecall, it isn't conclusive enough for me to want to lynch Orpz just yet. Although I will admit I hadn't considered the possibility we had a free mis-lynch.

Neutral who needs to die for the good of the town:
Powerofdeath: Self explanatory.

Badass:
TheDarkestLight: This guy... I can't even fathom his amazingness. Jesus Christ his awesomeness is off the charts!

Other:
Firebringer: Ehhh, he shifts between lurk and active. Yet I don't see a super big amount of actual activity coming from him. His wishy-washyness is too much for me to make conclusions on.

[Firebringer]

Lol, I don't always have something to post.

I still think Ika is evil.

[Orpz]

I will settle for a deathworlds lynch. brb getting drunk for fathers day

[ika]

Ika, what do you think of mikecall?

he can die with TDL

frankly i would like to knwo who has the gun atm but *shrug*

[TheDarkestLight]

fatailis

im also for lynching TDL

Hoping on a train that even Orpz admitted wasn't a real train. This is just sheeping to the max.


says the guy who wants to lynch a neutral that does not further towns wincon in any fasion

Not contributing ANYTHING at all.


but at the same accord, he can help town.

how come you are alive again?

It's like he wants to antagonize me.


sigh......

this game is stupid...

ive hosted a game not long ago where a neutral claimed day 1, scums wasted time and effort trying to lynch and also defend it. if people like i can link it but i see this being a waste of time trying to lynch a neutral, if anything he should be a lynch a day before lylo however i doubt hes scum siding and i rather play with people who want to play witha fashin to have fun instead of a fasion to win and screw people over

The only post I've seen from him that contributes anything at all. Claiming that killing the neutral isn't playing to win. Killing the Neutral can in fact help the town. Apparently only a few people realize that.


he can die with TDL

frankly i would like to knwo who has the gun atm but *shrug*

You don't even give reasons why you dislike him.


So, I recall you saying you have a life and can't spend as much time here now. So my question is... WHY SIGN UP FOR GAMES IN THE FIRST PLACE? You have contributed nothing of worth so far, and seem horribly scummy. It's hard to get a read on you because you've done shit all game long. But the few posts you have are scummy as shit.

ika

I'd be happy to see him lynched. It could reveal a good few things.

[ika]

and you had to build up a giant post to vote me?

ya TDL can die