Epilogue: Sozin's Comet Part 4: Avatar Aang [Archive]

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February 1st, 2015, 11:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-BiLeej0Y4
The Order of the White Lotus successfully liberates Ba Sing Se, while Sokka, Suki and Toph disable all of the Airships. Katara freezes and chains Azula down, causing her to have a psychotic breakdown, then uses her exceptionally strong healing abilities to revitalize a severely wounded Zuko. During their battle, Ozai inadvertently causes Aang to enter the Avatar State which enables Aang to easily overwhelm Ozai, but Aang is still unwilling to kill him. Using his knowledge from the lion-turtle, Aang invokes a new bending ability called energybending to permanently strip Ozai of his firebending abilities, defeating the Phoenix King without taking his life. Newly appointed Fire Lord Zuko declares the war over, and Aang and his friends celebrate together at Iroh's tea shop in Ba Sing Se. Zuko and Mai reconcile and Zuko confronts his father, angrily demands Ozai tell him where his mother, Ursa, is being kept. Aang and Katara share a loving hug and kiss passionately.

And the cabbage merchant takes his cart happily into the market, able to sell his cabbage without fear of hooligans ruining it at last.

FM Rumpel was lynched. He was Qin Lee, a Kidnapper, Framer, and Chauffeur.

The Gaang and The Cabbage Merchant have won!

- Role List -

- Fire Nation -
Ozai (Phoenix King/Capregime)
Azula (Crown Princess)
Hidden Fire Nation (Consigliere)
Hidden Fire Nation (Blackmailer)
Hidden Fire Nation (Consort)
Hidden Fire Nation (Kidnapper/Framer/Chauffeur)

- Neutral Evil -
Combustion Man (Mass Murderer)
Hama (Magician)

- The Gaang -
Aang (Avatar)
Katara (Doctor)
Sokka (Nurse)
Toph (Truthseer)
Zuko (Vigilante)
Appa (Bus Driver)
Iroh (Grand Lotus/Bodyguard)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
Hidden Gaang (Blacksmith)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
Hidden Gaang (Lookout)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen/Vigilante)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen/Professor/White Lotus)
Hidden Gaang (Citizen/Detective)
Hidden Gaang

- Ember Island Informant -
Cabbage Merchant (Hidden Benign)

- Player List -

FM AscendedOne (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14640)
FM Auckmid (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14641)
FM Clawtrocity (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14642)
FM Crimson (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14643)
FM divemaster127 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14644)
FM FalseTruth (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14645)
FM Ganondorf (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14646)
FM Gerik (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14647)
FM Goonswarm (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14648)
FM Illidan (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14649)
FM McPwnage (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14650)
FM MileS (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14651)
FM monster (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14652)
FM MrSmarter (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14653)
FM Narks (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14654)
FM NorthStar (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14655)
FM oops_ur_dead (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14656)
FM Ozymandias (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14657)
FM philie (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14658)
FM Procyon (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14659)
FM Raiden (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14660)
FM Rumpel (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14661)
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14662)
FM Severn (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14663)
FM Slaol (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14664)
FM Spy (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14665)
FM TheJackofSpades (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14666)
FM vornksr (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14667)
FM Yayap (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14668)
FM Zack (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14669)

-Living Players-
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
FM Severn

-Dead Players-
FM Clawtrocity - Citizen - Killed by a vigilante on Night One
FM Slaol - Truthseer - Killed by a vigilante on Night Two
FM Raiden - Blacksmith - Killed by a vigilante on Night Two
FM Ganondorf - Consigliere - lynched by an angry mob on Day Three
FM MileS - Citizen - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Day Three
FM Illidan - Citizen - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Day Three
FM McPwnage - Citizen - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Day Three
FM Divemaster127 - Vigilante - Killed by a blacksmith gun on Night Three
FM AscendedOne - Nurse - Killed by a mass murderer on Night Three
FM MrSmarter - Doctor - Killed by a vigilante on Night Three
FM TheJackofSpades - Bus Driver - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Night Three.
FM Auckmid - Phoenix King - lynched by an angry mob on Day Four
FM Phillie - Crown Princess - Killed by a vigilante on Night Four
FM Procyon - Citizen - Killed by the Crown Princess on Night Four
FM Northstar - Blackmailer - lynched by an angry mob on Day Five
FM Gerik - Citizen - Committed suicide on Day Five
FM Yayap - Citizen/Vigilante - Killed by a mass murderer on Night Five
FM Zack - The Avatar - Killed by a mass murderer on Night Five
FM oops_ur_dead - Citizen - Killed by an all powerful Avatar on Night Five
FM Vornksr - Grand Lotus/Bodyguard - Executed by a Kidnapper on Night Six
FM Narks - Phoenix King Ozai/Caporegime - Killed by a mass murderer on Night Six
FM Falsetruth - Mass Murderer - lynched by an angry mob on Day Seven
FM Ozymandias - Citizen/Professor/White Lotus - Killed by the Fire Nation on Night Seven
FM Goonswarm - Consort - lynched by an angry mob on Day Eight
FM Monster - Citizen- Killed by the Fire Nation on Night Eight
FM Spy - Magician - lynched by an angry mob on Day Nine
FM Crimson - Citizen/Detective - Killed by the Fire Nation on Night Nine
FM Rumpel - Kidnapper/Framer/Chauffeur - lynched by an angry mob on Day Ten

-Last Wills-
I was a Citizen. Since I am dead, I want to tell you all the I believe Philie, Goonswarm, Monster, and Severn are probably scum, and would look closely at them. Also, possibly Northstar.

Good luck town.
In favor of keeping direction My LW today is focused on what I think the D4 lynch should be as opposed to giant read walls on everyone. My other reads are kind of vague anyways.

Spy 100% team scum. You have to really look hard to find to find any original contribution or any effort at all to scum hunt. Plenty of bussing Ganon and more than enough for everyone to agree on this guy for the lynch.

5 posts. Only real post he just voiced what others were already saying. Dirty lurker right here with soft attempts to look town
20:44#10 (Fluff)
20:44#11 (Toh post)
10:40#229 (Fluff)
12:14#236 (Soft Fos me/Anti Lynch)
01:17#251 (Mechanics Fluff) So he knows his mechanics..

For D2 his actions could be summed up as a slight push on Ganon, Then jumping over to the Narks train without pushing on narks, Then jumping to Raiden and pushing on him, Then sheeping the monster train. Inbetween there was a soft poke on alpha (After he claimed neutral) with a bunch of fluff and mechanics talk.
I read it as bussing Ganon with zero real scum hunting. Plenty of soft attempts to gain town cred in there.
20:10#3 (Questioning the vig kill on Claw) Fluff
16:18#5 (More on vig kill) Fluff
20:57#12 (Justification) Jumps out of chat quick
11:48#283 (Votes Ganondorf)
11:50#286 (Justifys vote) No questions but adding pressure? Are you lazy or bussing?
04:42#350 (Logic/Fluff)
19:37#429 (Logic/Fluff)
19:41#430 From #250 (Orginizational/Fluff) Zero value at all. Just helping someone find useless information
19:42#431 (Justifies vote) Pushing on Ganon calling his claim reflexive.
08:52#702 (Bussing Ganon but pushing Narks) Strong potential for bussing there. He softly pushed him earlier and jumped over to narks when the lynch got real
08:57#706 (Voteing Narks) Insinuating he may be inclined to switch his vote back. Backtracking?
10:22#730 (Votes on Raiden)
10:54#745 (Pushing on Raiden)
11:01#750 (Calling alpha Hama)
11:08#755 (Logic on Alpha Push)
11:22#759 (Withdraws alpha push)
12:30#794 (Mechanics logic)
12:35#799 (Mechanics Logic)
13:52#847 (Desire to not lynch Ganondorf)
14:26#907 (Votes Narks)
14:38#925 (Pushes on narks) Desire to make him look scummy? Jumped to the conclusion his actions were a lie as opposed to ignorance. Twisting information or tunnel vision?
14:44#929 (Explaining Raiden lynch)
06:49#1092 (Votes Monster)

No real desire to lynch Ganon in there and plenty of keeping ‘other options’ open. As in the last 2 days there’s pretty much no scum hunting or substance in his posts and his only original contributions seem to be mechanics related
20:01#2 (Toph Post) With Toph dead? Post 7 suggests late realization of the grave yard.
20:01#3 (Claims no feedback)
20:04#7 (Who should I lynch) Why would he even consider monster as a target with Toph in the graveyard? Distancing himself from Ganon while insinuating a possible way to keep his scum buddy alive.
21:09#74 (Votes Ganondorf)
21:29#83 (Logic) Clarifying for Ganondorf
21:29#85 (Clarify)
23:31#140 (Push on Narks, Ganon and JackOfSpades) 1 scum and 2 town? Bussing at its best.
23:33#142 (Clarifying for another player)
01:05#171 (Defends Ganondorf)
01:06#172 (Calls Zack a no-show) Shows how much he is paying attention and trying to scum hunt. He doesn’t even know who has been posting)
01:13#173 (Backtracking/Push on Zack)
08:43#196 (Pushes JackofSpades)
10:22#220 (Asking if I was charged) Could suggest he doesn’t have a night chat. Or it could be an attempt to appear as much.
12:12#238 (Logic)
08:15#479 (Misrepresenting information) But 2 posts ago he was asking if I was charged N2. This is a very odd conflict. Maybe getting his lies twisted?
08:18#480 (Not even sure what he means there)
11:17#504 (Fluff) Referencing old games again
13:45#544 (Pushing on JackofSpades)Real lack of any interaction with Ganon today.. Seems focused on anyone but him.
15:17#577 (Mechanics Logic) On Phoenix King
15:23#584 (Logic)
15:25#588 (Mechanics Logic) On Phoenix King
03:28#594 (Mechanics Logic) On phoenix King
17:05#704 (Fluff) Emotionally neutral.
18:44#720 (Insulting JackofSpades) Trying to stir him up instead of talking him down? Looks like you want him to go nuts and kill a bunch of potential town.
19:30#729 (Push on Monster) Some hint of scum hunting. As soft as everything else and without any real substance
19:49#740 (Anti Unvote) To see ganon lynched or coaching other scum?

On N5, I shot FalseTruth because I think he got disguised as by Auckmid. I find it hard to believe that someone who posted explicitly about making a probable code that isn't gibberish would take the UPC code of some catnip brand.

I'm also avoiding the MM by not hitting Monster or Goonswarm who I think need to die. I changed my mind on Monster and don't think he's town after all.
Guess I'm dead. Well here's this again:

Mafia:
Goonswarm
Rumpel

Town:
Ozymandias
Crimson
Monster
Severn

Hama:
Spy

Cabbage Merchant:
S.A.S.Cnl Alpha

Day 8:
Lynch Goonswarm

Day 9:
Lynch Spy

Day 10:
Lynch Rumpel

Do this and town wins.

FM Crimson - town
FM Goonswarm - consort
FM monster - town
FM Ozymandias - town
FM Rumpel - kidnapper
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - fucked up awsomen neutral
FM Severn - town
FM Spy - hama

really we are at POE stage now so i dont really see a need to have a "real" lw or even my actions

i was consider at one point always tracking vonk jsut to see who he was visiting

Entire Roles list

Player Name
Account Name
Original Role
Aang Visit Role
Iroh Visit Role

Helios
FM Auckmid
Phoenix King
Caporegime
Mafioso

Superjack
FM philie
Crown Princess
Tailor
Mortician

42shadow42
FM Ganondorf
Consigliere
Arms Dealer
Kidnapper

Bahkieh
FM Goonswarm
Consort
Drug Dealer
Thief

Numbertwo
FM Northstar
Blackmailer
Consort
Ventriloquist

Fatalis
FM Rumpel
Tracker / Kidnapper
Framer
Chauffeur

Klingoncelt
FM Falsetruth

Mass Murderer
Arsonist
Serial Killer

Arrow
FM Spy
Magician
Overlord
Ventriloquist

TheDarkestLight
FM Zack
Avatar
Mayor
Survivalist

Banshis
FM MrSmarter
Doctor
Escort
Witch

Orpz
FM AscendedOne
Nurse
Lookout
Veteran

Brendan
FM Slaol
Truthseer
Jailor
Armorsmith

Auckmid
FM divemaster127
Vigilante
Detective
Beguiler

Bigby
FM TheJackofSpades
Bus Driver
Matchmaker
Architect

Apache
FM vornksr
Grand Lotus
Bodyguard
Beguiler

Lysergic
FM Ozymandius
Citizen
Professor
White Lotus

Gyver
FM Miles
Citizen
Sheriff
White Lotus

Citrus
FM oops_ur_dead
Citizen
Coroner
White Lotus

Powerofdeath
FM Raiden
Blacksmith
Armorsmith
White Lotus

deathworlds
FM Narks
Lookout
Shaman
Amnesiac

Edgeworth
FM Illidan
Citizen
Executioner
Marshall

Ika
FM Crimson
Citizen
Lookout
Detective

Tamashiii
FM McPwnage
Citizen
Sheriff
Sheriff

Clementine
FM Yayap
Citizen
Veteran
Vigilante

Fragos
FM Monster
Citizen
Gypsy
Gypsy

Voss
FM Clawtrocity
Citizen
Bodyguard
Survivalist

Fluffiness
FM Procyon
Citizen
Doctor
Doctor

Vaimes / Voss
FM Severn
Citizen
Escort
Enchantress

ThinkLiveLife
FM Gerik
Citizen
Crier
Journalist

NoctiZ
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
Survivor
Executioner
Jester

colored were roles possessed at time of death
Spreadsheet of night actions for your enjoyment. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15bNqtbutKoxeaA4GKnMKbCYTkMGNfqPMJSsyXmql6XY/edit#gid=0)

-Awards-

FM MVP: Lysergic as FM Ozymandius
From day one Lysergic was a strong voice of reason and leader for the town. He accurately called out several scum slips and was instrumental in Town's victory. When he died, he left town a last will giving them the plan that gave them the highest chance of victory, which ended up working. Not only that, but he was one of only two players who received both additional roles during the game even though for some reason a lot of people seemed to think he was the magician, which may be the reason he lived as long as he did.

Best Scum: Fatalis as FM Rumpel
Fatalis started the game very strong, convincing many players that he was town. In fact, he was the first player that Aang decided to visit, and he was also Katara's heal target that night. From there, he successfully kept himself low on everyone's scumdar- a few players made note of him, but he was never in any danger of being lynched. In addition, he was the only person other than Ozymandias who managed to get visited by both Aang and Iroh. The day following the visit by Iroh, which also happened to be the same night he was retrained to be a kidnapper, he immediately locked in a jail on Iroh knowing there would be no lynch because of the blackmail suicide the previous day, which aside from killing Iroh, had the additional benefit (though Fatalis didn't necessarily know this at the time) of removing him from his chat with Ozymandias.

Masters of all 4 elements: FM Ozymandius, and FM Rumpel
This might feel slightly redundant now, but we felt another award was needed for these two as they were the only 2 to successfully draw visits from both Aang and Iroh. Rumpel's were a bit needless as the more powerful Chauffeur came in the late end of the game, and Ozymandius' were even more hilarious since he got Professor, and made his Protegee the man who would invite him to the White Lotus the following night. Ozymandius and Vornksr would have 2 chats all to themselves. Moreover, Rumpel took part in 2 chats (Mafia and Jail), and his company in the Jail chat was also Vornksr.

Most Improved Player: Ika as FM Crimson
Ika has always been an alright player in the hosts' eyes. While he might never 'break' a game like he wants, he rarely drags his faction down either. Much to the delight of the Hosts this game, however, Ika really remained Town looking in most player's eyes; enough to gain a visit from Iroh, and had top(h) shelf night actions following getting Detective, up to and including busting over the Cabbage Merchant's cabbage cart to keep the Town in a place to win alongside him. He successfully tracked several Scum throughout the game and was forward but efficient in using it to push on them.

Timing Award: Players of FM 23
Those of you who are less familiar with Avatar might not know this, but the RP for this game was actually taken directly from episodes of the show with some minor revisions on my part. So naturally, we didn't expect that the RP would have anything to do with actual occurrences in the game... But boy were we wrong.

On day 4 (puppetmaster), the RP was about Hama and how the Gaang encountered her. Then in the first moments of the day, Gerik comes out and votes Spy (who had until then been under everyone's radar) citing an extensive read of his posts as evidence that Spy is "100% scum". Then on the following night, Spy caged Yayap, which caused the charge Azula had planned to use to kill her to instead reflect back at Azula instead. In other words, Hama bloodbent a firebender on the same night that the RP mentioned her penchant for bloodbending firebenders. Also of note was that Ozai was lynched on this day, which bring us to day 5...

On day 5 (Day of Black Sun), the RP was about the gaang searching for the firelord and failing to find him, or in other words, literally what was going on in the FM that day as everyone tried to figure out who Ozai had disguised as.

Then on night 5, the night before the RP for the Boiling Rock (Fire Nation prison) was set to be posted, Narks used his newfound caporegime ability to retrain Rumple into a Kidnapper. The name of the Jail Chat? The Boiling Rock.

The Final Day of the Game 'Into the Inferno', as the RP focuses, is most associated with the Agni Kai between Zuko and Azula- with Katara looking on. On that final day we ended with a Fire Nation member, a Town member, and a bystander. In that episode too it was Katara that would secure the victory, just as our onlooker did here.

Aunt Wu Award: Clementine as FM Yayap
In Avatar, Aunt Wu is a fortuneteller that is most well known for predicting that the Volcano would not destroy a nearby Town. The Volcano does, of course, erupt. For bad fortunes and taking action that one thinks will keep them alive, even going so far as to put it in their last will... Clementine gets this award.

Random.org Award: Brendan as FM Slaol and S-FM Earth
Brendan rolled FM Slaol, lucky him, as well as getting Toph Beifong for the major FM. Then in Dead Chat in S-FM Republic City Brendan also ended up randoming into S-FM Earth which was also Toph Beifong. Moreover, Toph is an Earth Bender, and Earth is Slaol's favorite element. It's pretty funny how many things all happened here.

Day & Night Award: Town
Town was perfect 7 for 7 in the day chat lynches as early as Day 3 and including the final day's lynch on Day 10. Sadly the Town was heavily hampered by 7 Town deaths caused by 2 Vigilantes at night. This was fun for the hosts as it brought back memory of FM 16 when Town was Perfect* in the day chat other than a successful Frame by Sir Iknek Blackstone Gerik himself. However, that game also saw all but 1 Town sided night kill teamkill.
*Town also intentionally lynched the Vigilante in the late game when the Witch was controlling him.

Founding of Cabbage Corp Award: NoctiZ as FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
While NoctiZ did give up his chance to Solo-Win, the win we hosts really wanted to happen, he was the first Cabbage Merchant to pull out a victory in our trilogy of games.

Law Abiding Citizens: FM Rumpel, FM Severn, FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
These guys went out of their way to make sure they posted 5 times, even on the final day. For their consistency and adherence to the rules, these guys deserve some credit.

-Host Thoughts on The Game-
Scum:
As you all probably noticed, scum roles/factions were very strong this game. We did this intentionally because we feel that in many FMs the balance is skewed in favor of the town to the point where the game is less about answering the question "Who will win?", but rather "When will town win?" In this game, we wanted to ensure it was the former, so we made scum strong in order to really put pressure on the town to stop them.

As I mentioned in dead chat, Phoenix King might very well be the single most powerful role that has ever existed in a mafia (at least on this site). Immune to detection, night death, AND can survive a lynch. Not to mention the arsonist functionality and the night chat with 5 other people who each have abilities of their own. And the Mass Murderer lives up to his name- he doesn't stop at automatically killing roleblockers that target him- he also killed attackers and then sprees at his house, killing anyone else who is unfortunate enough to visit him the night of the attack, as town learned on night 5.

Hama was easily the weakest evil role/faction, relying on charges in order to act and having no ability to kill on her own. But we balanced this by giving her a win condition that enabled her to win without being the sole survivor or even eliminating town. And the faction she did have to eliminate (fire nation) was also an enemy of the town, so she could rely on town to do at least some of the dirty work for her. So though she may have lacked raw power, she made up for it by having an easier win condition.

Town:
When we were deciding what roles to give the town, we already knew basically what scum was going to look like, so we tried to give town tools to battle them to even the playing field. We decided the Gaang's guaranteed roles were pretty good, but opted to also include a starting lookout and blacksmith to give the town some extra power early on. We also gave Aang some temporary immunity this time around so as to prevent a repeat of last game where he was killed early on and only managed to give out one new role, not to mention Iroh, who was basically a second Aang. This seemed pretty strong for town, so we balanced it by giving the mafia secondary and tertiary roles so that there was increased risk for Aang and Iroh- if they targeted scum, not only would they reveal themselves, but they would also make scum stronger by giving them a new ability.

This turned out pretty well- both Aang and Iroh managed to give out a decent number of powers. And their targets only overlapped twice which resulted in a nice spread of power.

All in all I think our goals for balance this game worked out pretty well. The game took the standard 10 days to complete and at the end every faction had a similar chance to win. There was never a point in the game where one faction was completely dominant and had victory assured. Even on the final day no victory was guaranteed as all 3 living players were of 3 different alignments.

Truthseer
We wanted Toph's role to be something befitting the best earthbender of all time that didn't involve jailing. Thus the truthseer was born. It took us a while to figure out how to balance the role. We brainstormed a few ideas before landing on the iteration that made it into the game. We decided it was pretty balanced because both town and scum have reasons to lie, so finding a lie would not necessarily make a person scum (unless of course Toph was used in exactly the way she was used... more on that later), but Toph would be able to use this to gain information which could be very valuable to her and the rest of the Gaang.

Of course, not long after the setup was posted I had a question in my inbox about how the truthseer role was "gamebreaking" (direct quote) because people could post "I am town" and she could check those posts and find out players' alignment. Though I had other hopes for the role, I saw no reason for this to be considered "gamebreaking" as all this would really do is make Toph into a sheriff. A role that has been around as long as mafia itself and is included in nearly every FM. And if she was used this way, she would be weaker than a typical sheriff because she would have to rely on people to make posts specifically for her to check their alignment AND they would have to do that every single day. If anyone forgets or chooses not to do it, too bad. I was a bit disappointed it didn't get to do more. I feel that truthseer is a very interesting role that has a lot of possibilities in terms of the information it can get. But Toph died early and didn't get to do as much as I'd hoped. Oh well. That's FMs for you!

In any case, I hope you all enjoyed playing the game. We certainly enjoyed hosting it.

Slaol

February 1st, 2015, 11:54 PM

You should be able to post on mains

Helz

February 2nd, 2015, 12:04 AM

One hell of a game. I loved every bit of it and that twist at the end was pretty epic. Great playing with you guys.

ika

February 2nd, 2015, 12:07 AM

fun game

GG all

ika

February 2nd, 2015, 12:08 AM

we need access to the spreadsheet....

Arrow

February 2nd, 2015, 12:11 AM

Fun game. I had a lot of fun, even though I tripped at the last minute. :(

Lysergic

February 2nd, 2015, 12:25 AM

Kickass game, all. Had a ton of fun!

deathworlds

February 2nd, 2015, 12:29 AM

I knew there would be double roles...

Doctor, Doctor.

Sheriff, Sheriff.

gg guys

Klingoncelt

February 2nd, 2015, 12:31 AM

I had a ball!

GG, everyone. :)

Fragos

February 2nd, 2015, 01:58 AM

Well, I had no regrets joining the game, even knowing I would be really busy to give myself some time to play.

It's good that you managed to enjoy it. Forum Mafia apparently is still alive, after all.

Brendan

February 2nd, 2015, 02:30 AM

FM Severn

February 2nd, 2015, 02:33 AM

still didn't read day 2

Klingoncelt

February 2nd, 2015, 03:10 AM

So.

Where's the signup thread for the next game?

And what will that game be?

I'm /in, whatever it is.

ika

February 2nd, 2015, 03:30 AM

still didn't read day 2

i think day 2 was mostly me shouting at people to get ganondorf lynched b/c of his bad fakeclaim

So.

Where's the signup thread for the next game?

And what will that game be?

I'm /in, whatever it is.

we have a poll comming up for our M-fm soon

FM Rumpel

February 2nd, 2015, 03:57 AM

gg everyone :D

Apache

February 2nd, 2015, 03:59 AM

me thinks iroh was most valuable player. i'm not judging myself if i was the best player or not, but from an objective PoV definitely most valuable, because no one did more things that helped town win than iroh. i mean look at all he has done. starting with night actions, all good (or bad) actions crimson and yayap did wouldnt have even been possible without me. he only couldnt give ozy something good because we got unlucky. then his actions lead to the outing of the last mafia rumpel without giving him a useful new pr. yes it wasn't intended that way but this action was the only mistake he made over the entire game and also it was very helpful. also his actions caught narks as a liar, though he died before we could make use of that information
then day presence. i mean just look how he managed to hide away from the scum over 6 days. how he managed to stay low but still contributing and pushing town into the right direction. how scum had no clue he was iroh and only knew because host confirmed it to them by the visit. ganondorf would never have been outed without his analysis. also look at how he made an analysis with the conclusion FT is scum on d2. he knew aangs n1 target was scum which even aang himself didnt realize. and iroh tried to make aang out him by specifically asking who the n1 target was and what he thinks about him, strongly implying he's scum but still aang didnt realize sadly. could have found rumpel way sooner and prevented iroh from making the same mistake
definitely you can say that gerik, yayap and iroh did the greatest part for the town lynch streak, because they were the guys leading the lynches
then the night chat. all the things he has told ozy and discussed with him. the chat really had much substance (from both sides) and irohs scum lists were definitely pretty accurate, also in lw.
and last but not least the jail chat. how iroh was 100% certain it was a kidnapper and not a jailor, not outing any information. iroh even was enough convincing with his magician claim without outing any info, that he could tell for sure that, because they didnt buy it, they have to know it for certain, meaning rumpel is mafia.

ozy imo wasn't that outstanding. sure he played well but still i don't see any major contributions for the victory. i mean he hasn't called out any scum with substance during the entire game iirc. in the end anyone could have put 2 and 2 together, the scums were obvious. and of course you lynch them in this order, thats simple logic. his night actions also weren't important for victory. sure, he didnt have the chance, but you also don't give most valuable player to citizens usually, unless they were very valuable at day

yes i'm very dissappointed i didnt get MVP, i though it was an obvious. fm 18, 21 and this game now i was so close and i finally wanted it, especially because i'm leaving fm now (i only played this because i played book 1&2 though in retrospect it was a mistake to sign because it was so annoying, all the modkills, slaols rage). i'm not leaving because i still didnt get mvp despite probably being one of the best players this site had. but it definitely makes the leaving even more sad. i think i will play more rlm (RL mafia), its definitely more fun, though it doesn't involve as much brain as FM
so maybe hosts weren't biased for mvp. maybe
maybe slaol doesn't have anything personal against me. maybe
maybe staff isn't advantaged on this site. maybe
oh wait at least the last 2 aren't just maybes...

FM Rumpel

February 2nd, 2015, 05:09 AM

jackofspades was my fav player for the appa rage

Helios

February 2nd, 2015, 06:37 AM

I loved jack too :D Well, shouldnt have given my night immunity up so early, but i panicked as 2 vigis were so close to us that i just needed to kill the one i knew of.

Nick

February 2nd, 2015, 06:39 AM

Scums didn't kill much did they?

Helios

February 2nd, 2015, 06:42 AM

Scums didn't kill much did they?

Well, it was more valuable to charge the first days to limit the movement in town, to sad that 40% of the targets died the same night. XD

TheDarkestLight

February 2nd, 2015, 06:54 AM

inb4 rumpel is TDL

Nope. ^^

One cannot comprehend the frustration that went through my mind when I saw Narks was suddenly not posting like he normally did the day following me targeting him. I'd even changed my last will to say I thought he was town "when I targeted him".

Cursed RNG.

Good thing it didn't completely kill the game for the town though.

But imagine being PH and getting targeted by Iroh and receiving "You have become a Mafioso!"

Or Monster getting targeted by both Iroh and Aang...

Helios

February 2nd, 2015, 07:01 AM

I missed the cool neutral beign roles to be honest thought, I wish we would have seen something like Infestor or Hitman e.t.c running around.^^

Fluffiness

February 2nd, 2015, 07:09 AM

That was fun.

Forum Mafia GM

February 2nd, 2015, 09:08 AM

Slaol

February 2nd, 2015, 09:11 AM

we need access to the spreadsheet....

Fixed. Linking again for added ease.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15bNqtbutKoxeaA4GKnMKbCYTkMGNfqPMJSsyXmql6XY/edit#gid=0

NoctiZ

February 2nd, 2015, 09:54 AM

Well played everyone, I enjoyed this game.

deathworlds

February 2nd, 2015, 10:27 AM

Night chats?

Slaol

February 2nd, 2015, 10:40 AM

Night chats?

Boom

Brendan

February 2nd, 2015, 12:48 PM

I was pretty disappointed I didn't get to use my role in either game lol. I tried to make myself an undesirable target but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

NoctiZ

February 2nd, 2015, 01:32 PM

LOL @this post

He wont. He probably sees himself as the town Mvp. He wont throw that away by letting the scums win.

Why would you even say that.. lmao.

I was deciding between doing what I believe is right and give the win to the faction that deserves it more in my eyes or rustling as many jimmies as I could.. and while it was very tempting to vote Severn, I decided to go with town (also mainly because I enjoyed FM Gerik's play throughout, nicely done Helz). :)

Slaol

February 2nd, 2015, 02:02 PM

P
Nope. ^^

One cannot comprehend the frustration that went through my mind when I saw Narks was suddenly not posting like he normally did the day following me targeting him. I'd even changed my last will to say I thought he was town "when I targeted him".

Cursed RNG.

Good thing it didn't completely kill the game for the town though.

But imagine being PH and getting targeted by Iroh and receiving "You have become a Mafioso!"

Or Monster getting targeted by both Iroh and Aang...

The mafioso was actually something I was excited to see. The deatnotes and last will gave him a way to coordinate with Combustian Man if they needed, and the sending members to kill without having to act gave defense to escort and detective and the like. It's more a utility on top of his broken roles than it was supposed to be a power itself, but I really wanted that.

The double roles getting both in one night would have been funny though, lol.

FM Severn

February 2nd, 2015, 02:11 PM

gerik is my mvp, and spy my scum for staying off the radar

Slaol

February 2nd, 2015, 02:12 PM

You played well, Apache. However, most of your contributions to town came from your night actions. You made very few posts during the day. And was was noted in the Epilogue post, the day is where town really shined this game, as all but two scum deaths were from lynches, and of the two that weren't, one was at the hands of another scum. So having a strong presence during the day weighed more heavily in the MVP decision, and Ozymandias had the strongest presence of any player.

There is no bias for or against staff when it comes to MVP awards. I myself am a prime example of this, as I won two consecutive MVPs in my first two games on this site and I was not staff. Not long after that in FM 19, both the town and scum MVP were new players. If you had been the strongest player, we would have given you MVP. There are past FMs you played where I thought you were deserving of MVP, (such as the one in your signature) but not this time.

Furthermore, raging at a cohost doesn't earn you any favors. Not that he was innocent in the conflict himself, in fact he is more to blame in my eyes simply because he is a host and should know not to rage at players, but you still did not help by continuing to fuel the fire.

And I'd've pushed heavily for Crimson if we went by night actions. Ika himself can tell you, Apache, where he'd expect my biases on a scale of pro-Ika to anti-Ika. Just because things don't go your way doesn't mean someone is biased against you. Shit, I even made up an award for Ika for his proving my prior statements about his play wrong.

Apache you also accused me of wanting another lurking scum win, and for heavily favoring scum when modkills didn't go in your favor. Not only did scum lose, but the only modkill that I, Slaol, decided on was Admiral Zhao in book 1.

Your accusations are unfounded, and I suggest you consider that you might be biased in favor to Apache, more so than others are against Apache.

Slaol

February 2nd, 2015, 02:13 PM

gerik is my mvp, and spy my scum for staying off the radar

Worthy contenders.
Not too many people blew our minds, but there were multiple options in final consideration.

FM Severn

February 2nd, 2015, 02:19 PM

also, the one complaint i had about this fm was the slow days/strict posting. it should have been relaxed, especially with all the info out in the open.

FM Spy

February 2nd, 2015, 03:19 PM

Too bad I didn't get that gun from the blacksmith N2. That certainly would have made dealing with Rumpel in the end game easier than the massive WIFOM I gave to the GM.

Forum Mafia GM

February 2nd, 2015, 05:27 PM

also, the one complaint i had about this fm was the slow days/strict posting. it should have been relaxed, especially with all the info out in the open.

We would have liked to do that if we didn't have these pesky things called jobs and lives. Sadly we do have those things so we had to stick to the schedule.

Slaol

February 2nd, 2015, 05:48 PM

We would have liked to do that if we didn't have these pesky things called jobs and lives. Sadly we do have those things so we had to stick to the schedule.

Can confirm. The fact that Days were pretty consistently on time is already impressive.

FM TheJackofSpades

February 2nd, 2015, 06:10 PM

I won the last FM for most entertaining player.
Thought the Appa rage would be fun.
I also had fun in the small S-FM as Air before I was killed. Seemed like people "loled" at my posts before Mafia cut me off.
Still think I should not have been labled as Modkilled but I understand why that had to be done to save the game.
Was still fun and of course I look forward to the next one!
APPA JUST WANTS A EXPLOSIVE HUG!

Orpz

February 2nd, 2015, 10:56 PM

Hahahahahaha....I was sending in last wills every night >>

FM Raiden

February 3rd, 2015, 09:11 AM

My reads are so lousy x.x

Brendan

February 3rd, 2015, 09:22 AM

Apache biased toward Apache

deathworlds

February 3rd, 2015, 10:19 AM

I knew Spy was neutral of some sort sense day 2...

Brendan

February 3rd, 2015, 07:51 PM

If you guys want somethig to hold you over til the next mfm/fm sign up for my setup! :~) http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29005-Mexican-Standoff-IV?p=472074#post472074

Klingoncelt

February 3rd, 2015, 09:41 PM

I had the best death scene soundtrack. :cheesy:

Nick

February 3rd, 2015, 09:53 PM

I like how Yayap listed out all the Mafia scum.

vornksr

February 3rd, 2015, 10:27 PM

I'm sad I missed this; it looks like it was a good game. The FM account names sure take me back... :)

Apache

February 6th, 2015, 11:48 AM

I'm sad I missed this; it looks like it was a good game. The FM account names sure take me back... :)

thanks for lending me your name :D

@gerik:
well unfortunately hosts didnt want to give me mvp in 18, only best town

low post amount =/= low contribution:
i actually contributed quite much with few posts, many people even said this

also low post amount =/= bad day performance
you have to adapt to your role, i was with aang the most important role in game, so i was forced to stay low. you see this completely wrong, a bad day performance would have been to talk as much as gerik and get doused n1 for this role. if you wanted me to write more you should have given me citizen. you're basicly punishing me for playing according to my role and wincon

and last but not least, you cant generally say town only won because of their day performance.
day actions are just the result of previous night actions. how did we find ozai and mm? night actions. also the consort, the bmer etc. sure not all, like ganondorf who i pegged by analysis
sure day performance was awesome here, because no mislynch, but it wouldnt have been possible without good night actions. and night actions were mostly well apart from the vigi fails
and the argument that most scums died at day tells nothing, of course town usually kills the scums at day, always.

also i didnt rage, i only pointed some things out where he was wrong imo. of course it's not good for getting mvp, but that's bias too

@slaol: maybe i'm biased to think that you are biased but i'm not biased on my performance i think

ika

February 6th, 2015, 12:19 PM

apeach we are all biased to think our play is great. thats the problem you are saying "well my play is best cus i think so"

take it from an outsiders POV. i usually don't agree with slaol but i will here. Trying to use your role and say that night actions and how you played to justify yourself to be an MVP is just bias.

Now if outside players were saying you deserve it then there could be some change to it. But having yourself say "i deserve it" really IMO would make me give it even less to that person.

I will have a proper and more though response tonight when i get home from work

Brendan

February 6th, 2015, 12:40 PM

apeach

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 01:58 PM

@slaol: maybe i'm biased to think that you are biased but i'm not biased on my performance i think

I disagree.
Strictly speaking from an objective standpoint, looking at your choice of action combined with your day chat performance, I can personally award you 4th best Town. I could see Roku maybe doing 3rd best, but I doubt higher than that. Definitely not first best, as we agreed on Ozymandias.

As far as Night Actions go.
Night 1 you chose Yayap who got Vigilante
Night 2 you chose Crimson who got Detective
Night 3 you guarded Zack
Night 4 you chose Ozymandias
Night 5 you chose Rumpel
Night 6 you rotted in Jail

Nigh 5 and 6 can easily be labeled as your own fault and a horrible decision. Now, obviously you can't know, and you can't be in control of what role they got. However, the choice of Rumpel on the night that you did was the worst possible night as it was a guaranteed Jailing opportunity.
Night 4 is equally as useless. Again, you are not in control of the roles, but this night gained you no points. At most a 0 in the +/- of your performance. If we were to get into the valuing of what others might have been worth we could give this a negative as it gave up an oppurunity to get something in the hunt to get something that got nearly nothing.
Night 3 was a good choice, especially with the high likely hood that Aang looked like he was going to go up in flames. Had this guard gone through it would have been the most influential single night action. Sadly, the value of the choice did not net the desired result, wasting an overall night. WIFOMing the Mafia, and choosing to take a different action would have been better, and especially an action of Meeting with Aang would have been amazing. You would have made a link between Town's 2 best roles, and given him a permanent vest. Like night 4, still a good overall choice of action, but clearly a less than optimal outcome.
Night 2 was your best action by far. Crimson performed well, being one of the 3 people I have above you in the Town rankings. You may argue that "whatever Crimson did was because of me", and while you have grounds to do so you do not get ALL of the points, but an assist in what he would perform in.
Night 1 was basically terrible. It was exciting to see a second Vigilante come out of the game, and on night 1 no less. However Yayap's choice in kills would see 1 Truthseer, 1 Doctor, Herself, and Aang all go down because of her decisions. Taking out Azula was worthwhile, but not at a 4 Power Role to 1 Scum ratio. Again, you do not get all of the credit for Crimson's success, so you do not get all of the credit for Yayap's shooting the town in the foot.... as well as other body parts.

Simple analysis of your night performance say that of the 6 nights you were alive only 1 was a truly GOOD result.
Night 1: Bad
Night 2: Good
Night 3: Neutral that was still a good choice.
Night 4: Neutral that was probably a bad choice.#
Night 5: Bad
Night 6: Bad*
#You are not in control of the roles, but Ozy already trusted you as far as the night 4 chat looked, and so using a night on him wasted a potential connection. Confirmation is good, but claiming Iroh can easily be countered in day chat whenever you would be lynched on. Any single person you had met could confirm you.
*wouldn't normally factor, but you directly gave them the info that lead to it, so maybe count it like a half.

Then, when day chat comes into the consideration you are correct to say to Roku that amount of posts != quality of posts, but you did not at any real point take a true leadership position. Both Ozymandius and Gerik did this easily and with obvious intent. Both lead early with sheer posting, and would maintain their impact. You are a good enough player to have attained the day control, you did it in FM 18, but you did not do it here. The real shame here is that your role was mainly built around revealing yourself. As can be seen, the roles that come into the game are not necessarily going to break it, and acting on night 8 of a 10 day game will get MAYBE 1 useless action out of people, but the value of your role came form confirmation of yourself. Confirmation of one's self is a mighty powerful tool in the hands of a good player, and you did not optimize it.

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 04:44 PM

For further giggles, I'll go over Crimson.
Night 1: Last Will Submitted
Night 2: No Action
Night 3: Track Ozymandias
Night 4: Track Northstar
Night 5: Track Goonswarm
Night 6: Track Severn (Blocked)
Night 7: Track S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha (Blocked)
Night 8: Track S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
Night 9: Track Rumple (Dead)

This should really sum up why in night actions Crimson had the best run down.
Submitting of Last Wills was all he could do night 1, and he did it. He didn't die at the time
Night 2 had no action, oh well.
Night 3 could even be considered Good, since the lack of finding scum still let Crimson confirm Ozy as not being clearly scum.
Night 4 and 5 are obvious as he found scum. This was the point that I facepalmed that it was Ika doing this.
Night 6 he tracked Severn, so meh neutral, and was also blocked. He did also submit a Last Will though. So once again, his neutral action was still with good reason.
Night 7 he was blocked, but i'm counting it as good as he submitted the last will that was on his death bed.
Night 8 was easily the Single Largest night action for the Town in the entire game. Successfully visiting S.A.S kept him from hitting 3 cabbages (which he would've done on night 9) and thus kept Town in a position to win, as S.A.S. was Town's last advantage.
Night 9 he died, and everything was out in the open, however he did yolo and go ahead and visit the scum.

deathworlds

February 6th, 2015, 04:59 PM

oh oh do me next

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 05:12 PM

oh oh do me next

ok, later.

NoctiZ

February 6th, 2015, 05:27 PM

I have amazing night actions, you should totally do me next.

Lysergic

February 6th, 2015, 05:33 PM

Eh; MVP means very little, imo. Town won because we managed to work together towards the end.

I wouldn't have been able to get the correct pegs had it not been for the night chat with Apache (which confirmed Crimson as town, which in turn confirmed monster as town - I had him pegged 100% as scum due to lack of participation, and only changed my mind because of Crimson's result) and had it not been for the poor choices (and claims) of the scum players (like Nark's post-disguise claim or Rumpel's terrible role claim - something that only REALLY got hammered home by disagreement between hosts over mechanics).

If at any point something had changed, it's likely that my little roadmap to victory would have pushed a lynch on, say, monster, and then blown up in our face.

The actions of one person did not win this game - the actions of all remaining active town players did. I would have been just as happy with Apache or Crimson (ika? this name theme is confusing now that we all know each other's identities) as MVP. But in the end, MVP doesn't really mean shit, unless you want to discount the good play of the other town players. MVP only really means something when a neutral without teammates gets it (or when a Mafia team wins due solely to the actions of one good player on a team of inept ones).

That said, I totally want to hear an analysis of my night actions next, since I didn't have any. xP

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 09:27 PM

oh oh do me next

- FM Narks

Night 1: Ganondorf Watching a Scum is definitely not going to be good. However, it actually does allow for the contesting of fake feedback claims. Neutral.
Night 2: Self (Blocked) Well you watched a Town, but it's not optimal, and obviously you were blocked.
Night 3: S.A.S. Knocking over that cabbage cart was strong. He'd've gotten 3 cabbages later on i'm sure. TBH this might have impacted his overall interest in not solo-winning.
Night 4: Gerik Watching a Town leader, good. However no real result.
-
Night 5: Retrain Rumpel as Kidnapper This appeared to be against Town's win condition. Not really sure why you didn't lynch Rumpel if you knew he was Mafia.
Night 6: twiddle thumbs Waste of a night action.

TheDarkestLight

February 6th, 2015, 09:30 PM

- FM Narks

Night 1: Ganondorf Watching a Scum is definitely not going to be good. However, it actually does allow for the contesting of fake feedback claims. Neutral.
Night 2: Self (Blocked) Well you watched a Town, but it's not optimal, and obviously you were blocked.
Night 3: S.A.S. Knocking over that cabbage cart was strong. He'd've gotten 3 cabbages later on i'm sure. TBH this might have impacted his overall interest in not solo-winning.
Night 4: Gerik Watching a Town leader, good. However no real result.
-
Night 5: Retrain Rumpel as Kidnapper This appeared to be against Town's win condition. Not really sure why you didn't lynch Rumpel if you knew he was Mafia.
Night 6: twiddle thumbs Waste of a night action.

Do meh

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 09:31 PM

I have amazing night actions, you should totally do me next.

Night 1: No Vesting (1 vest)
Night 2: No Vesting (2 vests) (+Cabbage)
Night 3: No Vesting (2 vests) (-Cabbage)
Night 4: Vest (1 vest)
Night 5: No Vesting (1 vest) (+Cabbage)
Night 6: No Vesting (2 vests)
Night 7: Vest (1 vest) (+Cabbage)
Night 8: Vest (0 vests) (-Cabbage)
Night 9: No Vest

Mostly methodical.
Gaining a Cabbage was good.
Using a Vest was good.
Not using a vest was bad, unless you had none or it was night 1 when chance of dying was lowest.
Vesting on night 4 should get extra credit as chance of death was the highest chance of the game.

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 09:35 PM

Do meh

Night 1: Rumpel: Real bad, like revealing the Town leader to Mafia on night 1 bad.
Night 2: Vornksr: Real good, communication between 2 best Town roles good. Conveniently he became a Bodyguard that could protect you.
Night 3: Ozymandias: Real good, clearly a Town leader and he used it well, sadly he did not meet with you like we expected.
Night 4: Narks: Good intention, heavily unfortunate turn of events.
Night 5: Falsetruth: Good itention, help a brotha out and all, but clearly awful on several levels. Luckily 1 of those levels was not your doing, but still. We all saw it, we all know.

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 09:39 PM

That said, I totally want to hear an analysis of my night actions next, since I didn't have any. xP

Night 4: Protegee Vornksr: Steller
Night 7: Last Will: Final plan of action for Town to clarify. Might have been obvious, but still good.

TheDarkestLight

February 6th, 2015, 09:42 PM

Were the roles randomly given out to people?

Might have been said earlier but pfff...

Who pays attention when the game's over amirite?

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 09:50 PM

Were the roles randomly given out to people?

Might have been said earlier but pfff...

Who pays attention when the game's over amirite?

Players were randomed into their roles, but just looking at that spreadsheet thing you can see that roles were somewhat thematic and methodical.
Crier / Journalist
Doctor / Doctor
Lookout / Detective

For Aang he got Mayor and Survivalist. Mayor is his Avatar State, and Survivalist is his being killed by Azula but coming back.
Iroh had Bodyguard for his protection of others, and Beguiler for his lightning redirection
etc etc

TheDarkestLight

February 6th, 2015, 09:55 PM

Players were randomed into their roles, but just looking at that spreadsheet thing you can see that roles were somewhat thematic and methodical.
Crier / Journalist
Doctor / Doctor
Lookout / Detective

For Aang he got Mayor and Survivalist. Mayor is his Avatar State, and Survivalist is his being killed by Azula but coming back.
Iroh had Bodyguard for his protection of others, and Beguiler for his lightning redirection
etc etc

Yeah, I had figured the Avatar-GL given roles were based on what they were in the show. That's what made me assume originally Katara would be a Witch for example. Dat blood-bending.

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 09:56 PM

Yeah, I had figured the Avatar-GL given roles were based on what they were in the show. That's what made me assume originally Katara would be a Witch for example. Dat blood-bending.

You were correct. I was happy when we came up with the triple role thing, it allowed us to do things thematic without the setup being too blatantly forced.
Hama being not a Witch was shmexy. Magician was great.

TheDarkestLight

February 6th, 2015, 10:12 PM

What did you think of my day play this game? I personally felt it was lacking early on, and I died right as I was kicking into gear personally.

Slaol

February 6th, 2015, 10:20 PM

What did you think of my day play this game? I personally felt it was lacking early on, and I died right as I was kicking into gear personally.

Your rundown is reasonable, but lacking is an unnecessary negative attitude on it. You did fine and then began to pick up.

Helz

February 7th, 2015, 02:51 PM

I have amazing night actions, you should totally do me next.

My night actions were more pro than half the town : P

Helz

February 7th, 2015, 06:18 PM

I never had any clue about FM Auckmid being the Phoenix King
FM philie looked pretty scummy here and ther although I do not think he ever caught my attention enough to push on him.
I think FM Ganondorf had me fooled early on but I was all for the lynch because of the Toph flip.
FM Goonswarm looked scummy as hell the entire game. I am disipointed I did not push on him harder. At one point mid game I think I even said if given a gun he would be who I would shoot.
FM Northstar got me pretty good. I really wish my edit post had played. Would have been the most epic blackmail ever without that post. I think I baited him every day past D2 to blackmail me and then failed it. Although it did get him as well.
FM Rumpel Totally flew under my radar. I do not think I ever really played him much mind.
FM Falsetruth did a really good job avoiding attention. I was pretty public that I scum read him every time I looked at her yet I never pushed. That RL issues thing payed out. Lesson learned there.
FM Spy looked pretty town to me most of the game. Played a little passive but was on point more than once in a critical way.
FM Zack did a great job looking town. Strong plays all the way though. I think I town read him the whole game.
FM MrSmarter Got a scum peg from me at some point. I believe I would have lynched him if it came up.
FM AscendedOne stayed pretty far off my radar. I never really paid that much attention to him.
FM Slaol looked pretty good. I was disappointed to see him killed.
FM divemaster127 I scum read this player more than once
FM TheJackofSpades I was pissed. But I guess I understand.
FM vornksr Really badass. Hardly posted but had so much content. I made an effort to scum read him and always came up to a town read.
FM Ozymandius A lot of people pushed that he was neutral as hell. I never saw it. I do not think I ever really thought he was
FM Miles Never really got on my radar either way.
FM oops_ur_dead I think I scum read him. Never enough push hard though.
FM Raiden Also a light scum read. Did not expect him to scum read.
FM Narks Town read him after the ozzy interaction. I was really wondering when he took so long to post but did not see the disguise because of the
FM Illidan Never really had a read of any value
FM Crimson Townie as hell all the way through
FM McPwnage Also never really had a read
FM Yayap 100% town I went out of my way from time to time to keep her reading me as town. Strong plays.
FM Monster I am glad my D2 lynch failed. I had a stronger town read on a few other players at the time.
FM Clawtrocity Cit all the way through.
FM Procyon Kind of read this guy as neutral.
FM Severn Finished it for the town. I did not understand all the scum hard reads
FM Gerik Noob. Wormed out on a blackmail
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha Made me laugh all through the game. Fun player

Klingoncelt

February 7th, 2015, 11:49 PM

FM Falsetruth did a really good job avoiding attention. I was pretty public that I scum read him every time I looked at her yet I never pushed. That RL issues thing payed out. Lesson learned there.

Oh I really do have R/L issues, lots of distractions. I'll never lie about that.

I can't believe more people didn't suspect me so much. I was totally paranoid. :D

Helios

February 9th, 2015, 06:39 AM

uhh slaol doing analysis? Me too pls.^^

Slaol

February 9th, 2015, 08:39 AM

uhh slaol doing analysis? Me too pls.^^

These might bug you a little bit, but.

Night 1: Prep Gerik: Good choice, and it didn't screw you, but you wasted it.
Night 2: Prep Zack: Sketchy choice as Zack had revealed to your mafia. Also wasted.
Night 3: Shoot Divemaster: This was terrible, as the lack of feedback screwed you, and attacking the guy that accused you was scummy as hell. It also chose 1 kill over the 2 you could have had by igniting.
Night 4: Disgusie Narks: Not in your control, but getting a RNG action to hit a Power Role was nice.
Night 5: Retrain Rumpel to Kidnapper: Strong. Kidnapper is a great role, and you put it up the night when he'd have his kill guaranteed to have a chance.
Night 6: Do nothing: Duh.

Fluffiness

February 9th, 2015, 08:07 PM

My Night Actions were amazing.

Slaol

February 10th, 2015, 08:44 AM

Night 4: Neutral that was probably a bad choice.

My opinion of this action has not changed, however I would like to comment that Avatar Roku saw this as a good reasoning behind action. In his view giving a power to a guaranteed town was a good decision. Even still the result was obviously neutral, but this was a noteable difference of viewpoint between hosts.

Bigby

February 10th, 2015, 06:38 PM

My opinion of this action has not changed, however I would like to comment that Avatar Roku saw this as a good reasoning behind action. In his view giving a power to a guaranteed town was a good decision. Even still the result was obviously neutral, but this was a noteable difference of viewpoint between hosts.

The boards are dying again! We need a new FM stat!

Cryptonic

February 10th, 2015, 06:50 PM

Boards were more dead during FM fo sho, always are lol. People stay on FM accounts lol.
Solution to dying boards: post more lol

Arrow

February 14th, 2015, 05:45 PM

Can I get an action analysis?

Slaol

February 14th, 2015, 06:33 PM

Can I get an action analysis?

Night 1: No Action I'd normally give this a neutral as it is no action, but choosing no action on night 1 when targets were the least predictable was the safe move that would grant you 4 consecutive nights of action later.
Night 2: Cage Gerik Did reflect an action and; while it didn't kill the Mafia like it could have (or Blackmail them like it almost did), it did potentially construe Gerik as a Magician if Sokka had read into it incorrectly.
Night 3: Beguile Severn Nothing occured from this, and Beguiles would be held in my head as the most valuable if they targetted a Fire Nation RP name Town member. Avoiding town investigation while playing into your win condition the most.
Night 4: Cage Yayap Reflecting Azula on herself didn't do anything, but protecting a role that would kill Azula later was worth. I might have liked if a Beguile was saved for this night as Phoenix King disguised, still good though.
Night 5: Beguile Ozymandius As I said, Beguiling to Town Fire Benders was the optimal Beguile, but it didn't net you anything sadly.
Night 6: No Action
Night 7: Beguile Crimson Technically worth as it dodged a role block, and either caging or gaining charges would have been blocked. Also effectively blocking Crimson when he was preventing the Cabbage Merchant from winning solo was good for a the 'clusterfuck' mentality of your role.
Night 8: Cage Crimson Neutral in impact, and positive in thought process, but sadly in the end you did WIFOM the Mafia incorrectly in a situation where getting it right would have been a solo win.

Great performance btw.

Slaol

February 14th, 2015, 06:38 PM

deathworlds

February 14th, 2015, 07:59 PM

Can I get people's opinions on the roles like Survivor and Magician gaining charges when taking no action? I've seen it before, but I never see much commentary on how people believe that might be for balance.

I, personally, think it is great. However I'd like to hear those in favor of set #'s of charges.

Depends on the setup I think.

imo a set # of charge's system would be good for a small game that most likely won't last very long.

Charges for no action is great for bigger games tho.

Apache

February 19th, 2015, 09:21 AM

I disagree.
Strictly speaking from an objective standpoint, looking at your choice of action combined with your day chat performance, I can personally award you 4th best Town. I could see Roku maybe doing 3rd best, but I doubt higher than that. Definitely not first best, as we agreed on Ozymandias.

As far as Night Actions go.
Night 1 you chose Yayap who got Vigilante
Night 2 you chose Crimson who got Detective
Night 3 you guarded Zack
Night 4 you chose Ozymandias
Night 5 you chose Rumpel
Night 6 you rotted in Jail

Nigh 5 and 6 can easily be labeled as your own fault and a horrible decision. Now, obviously you can't know, and you can't be in control of what role they got. However, the choice of Rumpel on the night that you did was the worst possible night as it was a guaranteed Jailing opportunity.
Night 4 is equally as useless. Again, you are not in control of the roles, but this night gained you no points. At most a 0 in the +/- of your performance. If we were to get into the valuing of what others might have been worth we could give this a negative as it gave up an oppurunity to get something in the hunt to get something that got nearly nothing.
Night 3 was a good choice, especially with the high likely hood that Aang looked like he was going to go up in flames. Had this guard gone through it would have been the most influential single night action. Sadly, the value of the choice did not net the desired result, wasting an overall night. WIFOMing the Mafia, and choosing to take a different action would have been better, and especially an action of Meeting with Aang would have been amazing. You would have made a link between Town's 2 best roles, and given him a permanent vest. Like night 4, still a good overall choice of action, but clearly a less than optimal outcome.
Night 2 was your best action by far. Crimson performed well, being one of the 3 people I have above you in the Town rankings. You may argue that "whatever Crimson did was because of me", and while you have grounds to do so you do not get ALL of the points, but an assist in what he would perform in.
Night 1 was basically terrible. It was exciting to see a second Vigilante come out of the game, and on night 1 no less. However Yayap's choice in kills would see 1 Truthseer, 1 Doctor, Herself, and Aang all go down because of her decisions. Taking out Azula was worthwhile, but not at a 4 Power Role to 1 Scum ratio. Again, you do not get all of the credit for Crimson's success, so you do not get all of the credit for Yayap's shooting the town in the foot.... as well as other body parts.

Simple analysis of your night performance say that of the 6 nights you were alive only 1 was a truly GOOD result.
Night 1: Bad
Night 2: Good
Night 3: Neutral that was still a good choice.
Night 4: Neutral that was probably a bad choice.#
Night 5: Bad
Night 6: Bad*
#You are not in control of the roles, but Ozy already trusted you as far as the night 4 chat looked, and so using a night on him wasted a potential connection. Confirmation is good, but claiming Iroh can easily be countered in day chat whenever you would be lynched on. Any single person you had met could confirm you.
*wouldn't normally factor, but you directly gave them the info that lead to it, so maybe count it like a half.

Then, when day chat comes into the consideration you are correct to say to Roku that amount of posts != quality of posts, but you did not at any real point take a true leadership position. Both Ozymandius and Gerik did this easily and with obvious intent. Both lead early with sheer posting, and would maintain their impact. You are a good enough player to have attained the day control, you did it in FM 18, but you did not do it here. The real shame here is that your role was mainly built around revealing yourself. As can be seen, the roles that come into the game are not necessarily going to break it, and acting on night 8 of a 10 day game will get MAYBE 1 useless action out of people, but the value of your role came form confirmation of yourself. Confirmation of one's self is a mighty powerful tool in the hands of a good player, and you did not optimize it.

this now seems more like you're deliberately trying to discredit all my night actions, so i won't go into much detail
saying i made a bad action because the vigi failed is like saying the host made town weaker by putting a vigi in. so yes i might aswell blame you for the kills. but in fact there's only one person to blame, the vigi self. if at all i indirectly caused it. but like you're said, i'm not in control. for me it was just giving a powerful TPR to a smart person (as i knew it was clem)
every action that lead to giving out a new TPR is a good action. cuz more TPR = better in general
thus all my actions were good, from the think process behind it aswell as the result. only rumpel, here i made a mistake in think process thinking he isn't mafia. but the result was still beneficial in the long run, directly leading to his reveal. (also n3 had a neutral result, but good thinking because it would have made sense to burn)
i'm also not taking credit for ika's good actions. i'm just taking credit for making a detective, who in average finds let's say 2 scums. so my credit is to have made a det and to have averagely found 2 scums. so i am able to take credit for this average 2 scums, no matter what happens. if he finds more, he did good, if less, he did bad, but it has nothing to do with my own oerformance

day control = death. not good if you're iroh
fm 18 i didnt really take leader position, much more i convinced the mayor who was the leader to follow my leads

and also i disagree about iroh and aang being a role that are built to reveal. imo the whole goal is much more to stay hidden. thus try not to target any scum. get as many prs as possible before you're revealed and die. confirm to only townies so they know youre confirmed and follow you without having to reveal. get some secret society this way
if you want someone to reveal in day chat that'd be mayor. had i done this, i'd be abusing all my powers and possibilities just to get an auto confirmable role
you can see how much benefit aang was in this game, who did reveal

also i wonder who is your 3rd best then, assuming ika is your 2nd

Slaol

February 19th, 2015, 09:43 AM

this now seems more like you're deliberately trying to discredit all my night actions

Nope. Just objectively looking at the impact they had on the game.

We did not make the Town weaker by putting a Vigilante in, but how the setup is built and how players use their powers is another story. Especially with roles like Vigilante that are high-risk/high-reward. This leads into the next part...

and also i disagree about iroh and aang being a role that are built to reveal. imo the whole goal is much more to stay hidden.

You're wrong again. You can play in any way you please, but when I built the setup they were created to do as I said they were. The information they gave out is a form of reverse information, giving rather than receiving. The added roles was something that came about after.

The Vigilante's do not automatically get GOOD JOB on all their night actions just because they used their kill, we still analyze how that action did for the Town's win condition in the same manor that we look at yours.

Your understanding of the game proves poor again, as you see Aang's reveal as being how it was intended. Aang's reveal came out of basic need because his first action went to Mafia. Iroh and Aang were built to confirm themselves to Town members in an attempt to turn the Day Chat into a voting block, not necessarily to come out and claim in the day.

You say Aang and Iroh should be in the shadow, which is where TDL found himself at the time of his claim, then he was beginning to try to take lead in the day, something he is able as a player. However he died soon after, not because of the Mafia, but because of the Vigilante you made.

Your response proves even more self focused bias since all my post did was objectively look at the things you did, and in the same manor that I treated other players.
I'm sure your next reply will follow suit with this pattern as my response has been only about what the setup was and what events transpired.