Night 2

[Forum Mafia GM]

Go.

[FM Ghazan]

Butchfog

[FM Unalaq]

to bed?

[FM Ming-Hua]

16 4 Role.

[FM Ming-Hua]

1 2!

[FM Ghazan]

FM Ming-Hua comfirmed.

[FM Ghazan]

to bed?

What?

[FM P'Li]

Guys I have no idea how does the confirmation thing works :/

[FM Unalaq]

Go to bed.

44 3 here

[FM Ghazan]

We should only fear douppleganger, which there is no. I think its safe to talk unless we have reason otherwise?

[FM Ghazan]

Pick a Post Number. Then a Word Number. Then Name the Word.

[FM Ghazan]

Congratulations to those who have manage not to look like scum.
To those who do. Shame on you. You better plan your escape routes.

[FM Ghazan]

We need to really work on our Blackmail.

First of all we should create a goal. Any Ideas? (Going to sleep)

Then we should word it.

Then Proof it.

Then challenge it.

Then fix it.





I suggest we prep and charge two different people tonight. Since Doctor will be on the charged people. And Gerik is good to keep.

[FM P'Li]

2 1 Hello

please tell me I did it right

[FM P'Li]

I almost forgot,

slaol visited himself (this can mean he doesn't visit anyone, I asked)

avatar visited me, I got framer

avatar is zack

[FM Ming-Hua]

I knew that already...

[FM Ming-Hua]

Do we get to know what the verdict is on the blackmail?

[FM Unalaq]

Would it be a good idea to block Avatar?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Do we get to know what the verdict is on the blackmail?

If by "verdict" you mean "whether or not it was completed successfully", I can tell you that. Raiden completed your blackmail and thus, will not be suiciding or terrifying the town.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Would it be a good idea to block Avatar?

No, but we should prep and follow him.

[FM Ming-Hua]

If by "verdict" you mean "whether or not it was completed successfully", I can tell you that. Raiden completed your blackmail and thus, will not be suiciding or terrifying the town.

Was telling him not to tell anyone not a valid demand?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Was telling him not to tell anyone not a valid demand?

It was valid, but he technically didn't tell anyone.

[FM Ming-Hua]

It was valid, but he technically didn't tell anyone.

Interesting I thought the pictures would count.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Specifically the section where he tried to say the blackmailer "says" he will help if needed.

[FM P'Li]

who to kill tonight

[FM Ming-Hua]

This didn't count?

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29594-Day-2-The-Painted-Lady?p=469163&viewfull=1#post469163

[FM P'Li]

is gerik lying about detective?

also what role is crimson hinting at I never seem to get anything >.>

[FM Unalaq]

I get lost as fuck in there

[FM Ming-Hua]

We need to really work on our Blackmail.

First of all we should create a goal. Any Ideas? (Going to sleep)

Then we should word it.

Then Proof it.

Then challenge it.

Then fix it.





I suggest we prep and charge two different people tonight. Since Doctor will be on the charged people. And Gerik is good to keep.

The blackmail worked great, the only thing disappointing about it was he isn't going to suicide.

Framer is great! Do we believe the lookout claim?

[FM P'Li]

The blackmail worked great, the only thing disappointing about it was he isn't going to suicide.

Framer is great! Do we believe the lookout claim?

who do you think is the real truthseer because if he reveals or is dead then I think we are fucked

[FM Ming-Hua]

I don't think that matters, if they look closely enough I've already been made.

Does a lookout see self visits?
Does a truthseer self visit?
Do citizens self visit?

[FM Ming-Hua]

I don't think that matters, if they look closely enough I've already been made.

Does a lookout see self visits?
Does a truthseer self visit?
Do citizens self visit?

Oops

[FM Ming-Hua]

Also I think Raiden might be vigilante.

[FM P'Li]

Also I think Raiden might be vigilante.

why

[FM P'Li]

I think unalaq is in a pretty bad spot we need something to distract their attention

[FM Ming-Hua]

I think it's odd that he didn't get shot for lurking and not toph posting.

[FM P'Li]

I'm curious as to whether people will start getting modkilled

[Forum Mafia GM]

This didn't count?

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29594-Day-2-The-Painted-Lady?p=469163&viewfull=1#post469163

Nope.

[FM Ming-Hua]

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Explain how framing works if we use azula for charging. Does the framed target visit both players? Do they have to die to count for framing?[COLOR]

[FM Ming-Hua]

Explain how framing works if we use azula for charging. Does the framed target visit both players? Do they have to die to count for framing?
Fixed

[Forum Mafia GM]

Oops

Yes to all.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Fixed

Shows as visiting both. They do not have to die.

[FM Unalaq]

I dont think I am in immediate danger. Yes i am scummy, (btw sorry, im just a bad player lol)but Monster is detracting a lot of attention from us for his absolute refusal to go along with town.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Oh did we end up role-blocking anyone last night?

[FM Unalaq]

I didnt get a confirmation saying it went through but the person claimed roleblocked so I assume it did

[FM Unalaq]

Yeah, Yayap claimed roleblocked so there is that

[FM Ming-Hua]

Do we take the chance prepping aang?

[FM Unalaq]

I am not sure :/

[FM Ming-Hua]

My thoughts are that I have effectively confirmed his as town. This makes him scary because of the mass murderer.

[FM Unalaq]

Its a tough spot for sure. But isnt he untouchable until we kill one of the other main people?

[FM Ming-Hua]

Aang can be killed by Phoenix preps even with all players alive correct?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Aang can be killed by Phoenix preps even with all players alive correct?

Yes.

[FM Unalaq]

Oh shit. then yeah

[FM Aiwei]

can we blackmail someone into not talking?

[FM Aiwei]

can we blackmail someone into not talking?

and voting

[FM Aiwei]

I would like to blackmail gerik into not writing anything in the day chat if that's possible.

[FM P'Li]

I say we prep crimson and kill ozy

[FM Ghazan]

Cant make then not Wright. But you can stop them from voting. But that's a waste of a blackmail, did you do no research at all?

[FM Aiwei]

Cant make then not Wright. But you can stop them from voting. But that's a waste of a blackmail, did you do no research at all?

I read the rolecard and it doesn't mention anything about not beeing able to silence someone.

[FM Zaheer]

So I´m here now too, prepping the avatar is actually a really good idea, noone has an idea about him atm except we, on the other hand it makes "you know who" suspiscious, since he gets notified about being prepped.

Ghazan, I think you said a bit to much in day chat, I could tell out of 20 of your posts that you know to much lol, also you just revealed half of us to the Doppelganger if one is here, thanks to saying how the confirmation works, thought I agree the chance is slim.

[FM Zaheer]

I read the rolecard and it doesn't mention anything about not beeing able to silence someone.

Same, here, thought you would need to make a really water proof demand then, including he isnt allowed to post pictures, links, videos, make votes e.t.c. Just saying he isnt allowed to write something wont do it.

[FM Zaheer]

Also adding the forbiddance of quoting, copieng and similar.

[FM Zaheer]

Also, guys lets be honest was "Jester" a convincing claim? the demand clearly stated he must be convincing didnt it?

[FM P'Li]

Also, guys lets be honest was "Jester" a convincing claim? the demand clearly stated he must be convincing didnt it?

we cant define or judge 'convincing'

[FM Zaheer]

we cant define or judge 'convincing'

Yeah i thought so sadly, we definetly need to improve these demands.

[FM Aiwei]

You may only write ''pika pika'' in the day chat.

[FM Aiwei]

''Do not check your feedback''

[FM Aiwei]

-Blackmail Fm Gerik Do not post anything in the day chat.

[FM Aiwei]

-Blackmail FM Yayap Do not post anything in the day chat

[FM Aiwei]

-Blackmail FM Yayap Do not post anything in the day chat

Is this blackmail allowed?

[FM Aiwei]

we should probably use our framer to forge a fake last will on the avatar. Make them think that he visited someone else night 1.

[FM Ghazan]

Is this blackmail allowed?

NO IT IS NOT ALLOWED.

[FM Ghazan]

So I´m here now too, prepping the avatar is actually a really good idea, noone has an idea about him atm except we, on the other hand it makes "you know who" suspiscious, since he gets notified about being prepped.

Ghazan, I think you said a bit to much in day chat, I could tell out of 20 of your posts that you know to much lol, also you just revealed half of us to the Doppelganger if one is here, thanks to saying how the confirmation works, thought I agree the chance is slim.

Blackmailing for no post breaks the game rules.

No Doppelganger Kill. No Doppelganger here. I'm not stupid.
I was one of three people to not get listed as scum at all. And have set Hama and Citizen breadcrumbs just in case.

[FM Ghazan]

You must only post words.
You must post with correctly structured sentences.
You must leave at least a 5 post gap in-between your posts
You can not repeat yourself.
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.

[FM Ghazan]

You must only post words.
You must post with correctly structured sentences.
You must leave at least a 5 post gap in-between your posts
You can not repeat yourself.
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links

[FM Ghazan]

You must only post words.
You must post with correctly structured sentences.
You must leave at least a 5 post gap in-between your posts
You can not repeat yourself.
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not change your signiture
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings

[Slaol]

can we blackmail someone into not talking?

I'm fine with it. Game rules require posting, but obviously this would save someone from having to abide by that.

Assuming Roku doesn't override, then you may blackmail someone into silence, but it will not cause then to be modkilled or anything like that that you might be going for.

[FM Aiwei]

Your only allowed to use 1 demand.

[FM Ghazan]

May we post all this before if we are to create a more interesting demand?


You must only post words.
You must post with correctly structured sentences.
You must leave at least a 5 post gap in-between your posts
You can not repeat yourself.
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not change your signiture
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings

[FM Ghazan]

As these are rules of the demand, not the demand itself.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I wanted to stick with the faking the blackmail was a gypsy, if it's believable it can be used to save someone on the ropes.

[FM Ghazan]

I wanted to stick with the faking the blackmail was a gypsy, if it's believable it can be used to save someone on the ropes.

Silencing Gerik will not accomplish that.

[FM Zaheer]

Well, its I think obvious a Gypsy wouldnt let someone claim Cabbage marchant, since it would only confuse town. Also everyone thinks it was a blackmailer anyway.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Something to the effect of

-Blackmail Cabbage Merchant

Tell the town you received an anonymous message for the town. This is the message



Message here.


You are to vote according the following rules:



Voting rules here.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Well, its I think obvious a Gypsy wouldnt let someone claim Cabbage marchant, since it would only confuse town. Also everyone thinks it was a blackmailer anyway.

Not if they gypsy thinks the role is useless and wants to become a crier.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Also if they disbelieve it is gypsy, it may drop suspicion on those that "helped at all cost".

[FM Ming-Hua]

Anyways blackmail aside we should follow zack to find who he gives his last pr too.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I think we should frame, and have me claim role-blocked.

[FM Ghazan]

Good idea. Whom do you think I should charge?

[FM Ming-Hua]

Good idea. Whom do you think I should charge?

Aside from the most likely lookout targets I have no idea.

[FM Ghazan]

What if. Someone is blackmailed to claim charged.
Then someone here claims to be charged.
But I charge 2 different people.

That way, it would seem whoever the nurse gave the double action to, is the Electromaniac
Or that Hama is also an Electromaniac/Recieved it as second role.

It also adds to the number of people who cannot be visited by charged players.

[FM Ghazan]

Whoever is framed will be seen visiting who I visit.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I dislike that because the blackmail claiming blackmailed eliminates the effect while leaving our false claim vulnerable.

[FM Ghazan]

I dislike that because the blackmail claiming blackmailed eliminates the effect while leaving our false claim vulnerable.

No body even suggested it was Gypsy, or even commented it when I suggested it.
Creating lies that show there are 4 players charged means that less people can visit, suspicion onto the nurse, suspicion onto Electro manic.

No one will listen to the neutral if you blackmail it.
Have any better ideas?

[Forum Mafia GM]

can we blackmail someone into not talking?

Yes.

[FM Zaheer]

Does Azulas overload count as factional kill?

[FM Ghazan]

Does Azulas overload count as factional kill?

Any action of me charging counts as the faction kill.

If two people interact it does not count as the faction kill

[FM Zaheer]

Any action of me charging counts as the faction kill.

If two people interact it does not count as the faction kill

It was more a question, to see if Framer would work with it, imagine I would sabotage and kill 5 ppl and framer frames someone, would he really appear to visit all five?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does Azulas overload count as factional kill?


Any action of me charging counts as the faction kill.

If two people interact it does not count as the faction kill

^^

[FM Zaheer]

Fair enough I guess.

[FM Ghazan]

Did you mean Phoenix King?

[FM Ming-Hua]

No body even suggested it was Gypsy, or even commented it when I suggested it.
Creating lies that show there are 4 players charged means that less people can visit, suspicion onto the nurse, suspicion onto Electro manic.

No one will listen to the neutral if you blackmail it.
Have any better ideas?

It's not so much about the control as the effect it might have on the town and the implications it might have our overall goal is to create suspicion on town roles while removing suspicion from our own.

I consider the jester blackmail as good because before the blackmail was revealed it created suspicion on Raiden.

After it was revealed it caused Raiden to throw accusations that were completely unfounded. Gerik is the blackmailer.

Regardless of what we do our general conc

[FM Ming-Hua]

...concept should be something that promotes our bottom line whether revealed or not.

[FM Ghazan]

So your plan for the blackmail is what?

[FM Unalaq]

I do nothing and one of us claim roleblocked? I can do that.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I don't have it completed but force the jester to say post a message for us saying something along the lines of

Sorry about Raiden, I cursed him not to say anything because I wanted to stay hidden, but he didn't trust me can't say I blame him, I have cursed the cabbage merchant to vote with Gerik. Throw in some read propaganda for authenticity, and let it go.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Survivor sry, also I thought the wrong person got framer.

[FM Ghazan]

I don't have it completed but force the jester to say post a message for us saying something along the lines of

Sorry about Raiden, I cursed him not to say anything because I wanted to stay hidden, but he didn't trust me can't say I blame him, I have cursed the cabbage merchant to vote with Gerik. Throw in some read propaganda for authenticity, and let it go.

Eh?

[FM Ghazan]

This is getting stupid, why are you toying with neutral?
We need to cause chaos and make the town question what roles we have, who to not visit and visit, and get someone lynched.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Eh?

Your gonna have to elaborate on that I have no idea what it means lol.

If it's a bad idea come out and say so.

[FM Ming-Hua]

This is getting stupid, why are you toying with neutral?
We need to cause chaos and make the town question what roles we have, who to not visit and visit, and get someone lynched.

Okay so it's a bad idea then, I can live with that, but keep in mind that a player can and will probably claim blackmailed the day after or even the day of reversing the misinformation regardless of how rock solid our demands are if it's going to result in a mislynch.

[FM Ming-Hua]

And there's absolutely no way to prevent them making the claim at the very end of the day where it can't hurt anyone.

[FM Ming-Hua]

So any other ideas on blackmails?

[FM Ghazan]

And there's absolutely no way to prevent them making the claim at the very end of the day where it can't hurt anyone.

Apart from themselves and they lose the role abilities. But next day yes it's possible. Could always blackmail the same person.

[FM Ghazan]

Like I said, force them to claim charged.
Then force them to reveal information and get someone lynched.
And Force them to reveal their role secretly to us.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Apart from themselves and they lose the role abilities. But next day yes it's possible. Could always blackmail the same person.

I meant the feedback claim, not the bm claim. I.e. End of day 3 "I was charged". Start of day 4 I was blackmailed.

[FM Ghazan]

And if someone else claims charge who looks like scum, it will protect them and add Drugdealer to possible roles. As well as Nurse hitting the Princess night 1 or Electro manic in game.

[FM Zaheer]

It would be actually interesting to silence Gerik, sicne we are allowed to, since he isnt dead, but cant talk and ppl definetly wont expect that.
Also i dont want to kill him just yet, but he is definetly dangerous, espacially as detective (I suppose his claim is true).
I think we should charge Narks and Zack to decrease their mobility and we get to know this way who Zack visited, without having P´LI to use his tracker ability, also we can be sure that he will visit someone. This way it is possible for him to frame someone.

[FM Ming-Hua]

What about blackmailing Raiden again, forcing him to pick a hard claim. And some other stuff.

[FM Ming-Hua]

It would be actually interesting to silence Gerik, sicne we are allowed to, since he isnt dead, but cant talk and ppl definetly wont expect that.
Also i dont want to kill him just yet, but he is definetly dangerous, espacially as detective (I suppose his claim is true).
I think we should charge Narks and Zack to decrease their mobility and we get to know this way who Zack visited, without having P´LI to use his tracker ability, also we can be sure that he will visit someone. This way it is possible for him to frame someone.

Charges can't kill zack and he won't likely visit anyone that's been charged.

[FM Ghazan]

Letting them claim feedback at the end of the day, just shows it means nothing as people will deduce its blackmail, since it was information they could release at the start.

[FM Ghazan]

It would be actually interesting to silence Gerik, sicne we are allowed to, since he isnt dead, but cant talk and ppl definetly wont expect that.
Also i dont want to kill him just yet, but he is definetly dangerous, espacially as detective (I suppose his claim is true).
I think we should charge Narks and Zack to decrease their mobility and we get to know this way who Zack visited, without having P´LI to use his tracker ability, also we can be sure that he will visit someone. This way it is possible for him to frame someone.

Zack is getting Prepped. Any charge kills wont kill him.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Letting them claim feedback at the end of the day, just shows it means nothing as people will deduce its blackmail, since it was information they could release at the start.

Exactly, but we can't stop them we can't impose time constraints.

[FM Ghazan]

It would be useless to silence Gerik. Because that is all we get, is Silence. Funny perhaps, but we are not exactly going to laugh the Gaang to death are we?

[FM Ghazan]

Exactly, but we can't stop them we can't impose time constraints.

Time is just one simple mesurement.

We can limit when they post by post count/ Lynch Count/ End day post. rarther than end of the day.

Can we use something like this
"You must post "XXX" no more than 10 posts before the last post of the day"
Because the post is not a time.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Time is just one simple mesurement.

We can limit when they post by post count/ Lynch Count/ End day post. rarther than end of the day.

Can we use something like this
"You must post "XXX" no more than 10 posts before the last post of the day"
Because the post is not a time.

Correct, but there's nothing we can do to stop them from spamming at the end.

[FM Ghazan]

Correct, but there's nothing we can do to stop them from spamming at the end.

Yes there is. You just have to word it correctly.

For example.

You must leave 10 posts in-between your own posts.
You must post at least 20 times today.

[FM Ghazan]

Who thinks
Claiming Charged
Claiming X Role to indicated X is Mafia
Claim own role secretly to us.

Would be a good structure for the Blackmail.
Don't worry about loophole, we fix that after we know what we are sending.

[FM Zaheer]

Who thinks
Claiming Charged
Claiming X Role to indicated X is Mafia
Claim own role secretly to us.

Would be a good structure for the Blackmail.
Don't worry about loophole, we fix that after we know what we are sending.

This doesnt seem to bad, if we phrase it correctly. And, i wont prep zack just now, next day is way better, since it woudl amke the guy he visits now supiscious of being maf, instead of our mate who is the only one, that knows his identity so far.

Also i was talking about charging zack not to kill him, but to let him spread the charges on others with his visits, wich will lead into the town needing to decide were to pop the charges or they will become fast unable to visit someone at all without dieng and yes your charges even happen before his visit this night, which means he will at least charge one additinal player, that makes 3 charges for sure for us.

[FM Ghazan]

The charges don't pass from player to player.

[FM Zaheer]

The charges don't pass from player to player.

Oh, okay that was a great misunderstanding from my side then, well forget what i said then.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Yes there is. You just have to word it correctly.

For example.

You must leave 10 posts in-between your own posts.
You must post at least 20 times today.

Pretty sure this isn't valid, but we can ask.

Would this be a valid blackmail?

[FM Ming-Hua]

I don't think that zack being prepped will make him look suspicious. My statement about him being part of the gaang is enough reason to target him, and if I flip they will realize I checked him.

[FM Aiwei]

Pretty sure this isn't valid, but we can ask.

Would this be a valid blackmail?

I dont think the blackmail can have multiple demands.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I dont think the blackmail can have multiple demands.

Our last one did so yes it can.

[FM Zaheer]

I dont think the blackmail can have multiple demands.

It is basically only one demand, but with different restrictions, you demand him to do something and then you tell him how he has to do it.

[FM Ghazan]

You must leave at least 10 post between your own.

You must post at least 20 times today.

Fixed.

[FM Ming-Hua]

What if we blackmailed Raiden again with the perfectly concrete demand post only a single post today, that post must be and then give him exact words we wanted him to say.

[FM Ghazan]

Its just the way you post it, I will work on it tonight, no comp for the next 3 hour

Once I've wrote it, its your job to try to find loopholes

[FM Ming-Hua]

[Q UOTE=FM Ghazan;469607]You must leave at least 10 post between your own.

You must post at least 20 times today.

Fixed.[/QUOTE]
Still don't think it's valid plz ask in green I'm on my phone and can't do colors.

[FM Ghazan]

A single post will be seen as blackmail.

[FM Ghazan]

Once I've wrote it, i will green it to the hosts.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Would a blackmail like this be allowed?



You must post at least 20 times today.

You must post in such a way that all of your posts have at least 20 posts between them and each of your other posts.

[FM P'Li]

I'm against charging again tonight we need to kill someone because nearly all of us are suspected as scum at some point

What are you going to do with that gun phoenix king?

[FM Ghazan]

[QUOTE=FM P'Li;469618]I'm against charging again tonight we need to kill someone because nearly all of us are suspected as scum at some point

So, half of us are suspected.
And your suggestion is to narrow down the player list?
It would be wiser to charge, leave more space for others to be suspected.
Charging will kill people at somepoint.

Don't forget Combustion Man will get us some kills, and the Vigilante will shoot one of the suspicious people tonight.

[FM P'Li]

[QUOTE=FM P'Li;469618]I'm against charging again tonight we need to kill someone because nearly all of us are suspected as scum at some point

So, half of us are suspected.
And your suggestion is to narrow down the player list?
It would be wiser to charge, leave more space for others to be suspected.
Charging will kill people at somepoint.

Don't forget Combustion Man will get us some kills, and the Vigilante will shoot one of the suspicious people tonight.

I doubt it will kill people before at least one or two of us gets killed

we need to shut the better players up

[FM Ghazan]

[QUOTE=FM Ghazan;469619]

I doubt it will kill people before at least one or two of us gets killed

we need to shut the better players up

The better players will be targeted by town power roles. The Mass Murder will do that killing then we can move onto them, trying to attack the ones who are most likely to be protected at this stage is suicide. In the meantime we should charge up our killing abilities. As it will pay off in the long run.

Its better to incapacitate them and then cut off their heads

Rather than suggest the idea is bad. Why not post a better one, remember you have to include a worthy blackmail post inside it.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Killing people off makes it harder to get a lynch off, but I think we should keep targeting 2 people to keep the frame possibilities up. We could kill one and charge a new one tonight? Too be perfectly honest killing charged players doesn't really narrow the suspect list much, they are semi cleared anyways.

[FM Ghazan]

The people charged can easily of been The Phoenix king the way they are posting right now.
It will be day 3, One person's death will barley damage their ability to lynch. And killing a charged player right now is just a waste of the potential.

[FM Ming-Hua]

That's a good point. I can accept that.

[FM Ghazan]

Is the following Blackmail acceptable?


The Rules
You must only post words.
You must post with correctly structured sentences.
You must leave at least a 10 post gap in-between your posts
You must post at least 20 times today
You can not repeat yourself.
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not post videos
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signiture
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that you are blackmailed.
You can only post sentences from this blackmail which are inside quotation marks
You can not hint that any of the posts you make are not your choice.
You must defend any of the posts that we tell you to make if they are questioned
You can only place on people we instruct you to or if it's the Hammer vote.


If you do not do as we say through some means of loophole. We will Blackmail you the next day for Silence, or worse. Do as we say and we shall blackmail someone else the next day.


These are my demands:

You may only place on people we instruct you to or if it's the Hammer vote.

Your first post must be:
"I was charged last night."

Your tenth post must be(Including vote codes for FM FalseTruth):
"I think I best reveal this today. Last night I went to investigate FM FalseTruth and it showed him to be an Enemy I have no investigation the first night as I was visited by The Avatar and granted the power of the Sheriff.
FM FalseTruth"

Your Fifteen post you must claim that FM slaol is what your true role is. Your reason for this must be because he smells like it.
You are not allowed to say anything else in that post

[FM Ghazan]

Fixed mistake.
Is the following Blackmail acceptable?


The Rules
You must only post words.
You must post with correctly structured sentences.
You must leave at least a 10 post gap in-between your posts
You must post at least 20 times today
You can not repeat yourself.
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not post videos
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signiture
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that you are blackmailed.
You can only post sentences from this blackmail which are inside quotation marks
You can not hint that any of the posts you make are not your choice.
You must defend any of the posts that we tell you to make if they are questioned
You may only place votes on people we instruct you to or if it's the Hammer vote.


If you do not do as we say through some means of loophole. We will Blackmail you the next day for Silence, or worse. Do as we say and we shall blackmail someone else the next day.


These are my demands:

Your first post must be:
"I was charged last night."

Your tenth post must be(Including vote codes for FM FalseTruth):
"I think I best reveal this today. Last night I went to investigate FM FalseTruth and it showed him to be an Enemy I have no investigation the first night as I was visited by The Avatar and granted the power of the Sheriff.
FM FalseTruth"

Your Fifteen post you must claim that FM slaol is what your true role is. Your reason for this must be because he smells like it.
You are not allowed to say anything else in that post

[FM Ghazan]

FM Auckmid - Fm Zaheer - Phoenix King - Prep Zach
FM Ganondorf - Fm Ming-Hua - Consigliere - Investigate FalseTruth
FM GoonSwarm - FmUnalaq - Consort - Do nothing.
FM Northstar - FmAiwei - Blackmailer - Blackmail: FM vornksr
FM Philie - Fm Ghazan - Crown Princess - Charge FM FM Narks & FM Spy
FM Rumpel - FM P'Li - Tracker/Framer - Frame FM MrSmarter

Reasons.
-FM Auckmid target Zach. He is Avatar. Simple. And already claimed as town by Truthseer.
-FM Ganondorf I want to know what the feck FalseTruth is.
-FM GoonSwarm You are scum enough already. Perhaps you should claim to be charged get some off your back. If not charged must of been a drugdealer.
-FM Northstar to blackmail to help aid the charge list, mislynch and reveal vornksr's role. He has made 16 posts so asking for 20 shouldn't be to much for him given he has two days to make it, and he dosn't seem intelligent enough to find loopholes.
-Fm Philie, Get the Lookout charged. And also the Spy. Not to towny yet not to protected.
-Fm RUmpel MrSmarter is my cover.And good to try to get rid off.

Any other suggestions, or improvements, or anything of that sort are gladly welcome.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I dislike charging FM Spy.

[FM Ghazan]

Again. Don't just say its a bad idea.

Say its a bad idea and suggest a good one.

So who should I charge instead.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I want to check divemaster. I will reveal his role in my first post using the same code used before.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I say we charge YapYap

[FM Ghazan]

FM Auckmid - Fm Zaheer - Phoenix King - Prep Zach
FM Ganondorf - Fm Ming-Hua - Consigliere - Investigate FM divemaster127
FM GoonSwarm - FmUnalaq - Consort - Do nothing.
FM Northstar - FmAiwei - Blackmailer - Blackmail: FM vornksr
FM Philie - Fm Ghazan - Crown Princess - Charge FM FM Narks & FM Yayap
FM Rumpel - FM P'Li - Tracker/Framer - Frame FM MrSmarter

[FM Ghazan]

Now. People please try to find loopholes in the blackmail please.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Fixed mistake.
Is the following Blackmail acceptable?


The Rules
You must only post words.
You must post with correctly structured sentences.
You must leave at least a 10 post gap in-between your posts
You must post at least 20 times today
You can not repeat yourself.
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not post videos
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signiture
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that you are blackmailed.
You can only post sentences from this blackmail which are inside quotation marks
You can not hint that any of the posts you make are not your choice.
You must defend any of the posts that we tell you to make if they are questioned
You may only place votes on people we instruct you to or if it's the Hammer vote.


If you do not do as we say through some means of loophole. We will Blackmail you the next day for Silence, or worse. Do as we say and we shall blackmail someone else the next day.


These are my demands:

Your first post must be:
"I was charged last night."

Your tenth post must be(Including vote codes for FM FalseTruth):
"I think I best reveal this today. Last night I went to investigate FM FalseTruth and it showed him to be an Enemy I have no investigation the first night as I was visited by The Avatar and granted the power of the Sheriff.
FM FalseTruth"

Your Fifteen post you must claim that FM slaol is what your true role is. Your reason for this must be because he smells like it.
You are not allowed to say anything else in that post

Nope. Only one demand per blackmail.

[FM Ming-Hua]

I'm not entirely convinced that FM Narks is a lookout, I think he may be the Mass Murderer. What do you guys think?

[FM Ghazan]

Nope. Only one demand per blackmail.

How many demands is that?

[FM Ghazan]

I'm not entirely convinced that FM Narks is a lookout, I think he may be the Mass Murderer. What do you guys think?

Don't wanna risk it. He says Lookout thats a threat.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Don't wanna risk it. He says Lookout thats a threat.

I was gonna duel him tomorrow do you think they will lynch him or me?

[FM Ghazan]

How many demands is that?

As in how many demands where their in that post, I only wrote one: that he post them three post, The rest of them are to cover the loopholes because it has to be done or else Blackmailing is useless.

[FM Ghazan]

I was gonna duel him tomorrow do you think they will lynch him or me?

You lose you die that day, you win you die that night.

[FM Ming-Hua]

You lose you die that day, you win you die that night.

If I don't I die that day anyways. If he isn't opposed he has evidence that I am lying, if I don't duel him he will end up dueling me, the charge lends credibility to his side, so it may make it almost impossible for me to win.

[FM Ghazan]

Is the following Blackmail acceptable?


The Rules
You must only post words.
You must post with correctly structured sentences.
You must leave at least a 10 post gap in-between your posts
You must post at least 20 times today
You can not repeat yourself.
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not post videos
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signiture
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that you are blackmailed.
You can only post sentences from this blackmail which are inside quotation marks
You can not hint that any of the posts you make are not your choice.
You must defend any of the posts that we tell you to make if they are questioned
You may only place votes on people we instruct you to or if it's the Hammer vote.


If you do not do as we say through some means of loophole. We will Blackmail you the next day for Silence, or worse. Do as we say and we shall blackmail someone else the next day.


This is my demand:
You are to make three posts for me.

Your first post must be:
"I was charged last night."

Your tenth post must be(Including vote codes for FM FalseTruth):
"I think I best reveal this today. Last night I went to investigate FM FalseTruth and it showed him to be an Enemy I have no investigation the first night as I was visited by The Avatar and granted the power of the Sheriff.
FM FalseTruth"

Your Fifteen post you must claim that FM slaol is what your true role is. Your reason for this must be because he smells like it.
You are not allowed to say anything else in that post

Is this better, reworded the demanding title.
Or am I forced to squish all three posts into one, What needs to be done to make it acceptable or shall we play the yes and no game all night?

[FM Ghazan]

If I don't I die that day anyways. If he isn't opposed he has evidence that I am lying, if I don't duel him he will end up dueling me, the charge lends credibility to his side, so it may make it almost impossible for me to win.

Who shall be charged instead? Your Sacrifice shall not be forgotten <3

[FM Ming-Hua]

Raiden claimed TPR, he might be a good target.

[FM Ghazan]

FM Auckmid - Fm Zaheer - Phoenix King - Prep Zach
FM Ganondorf - Fm Ming-Hua - Consigliere - Investigate FM divemaster127
FM GoonSwarm - FmUnalaq - Consort - Do nothing.
FM Northstar - FmAiwei - Blackmailer - Blackmail: FM vornksr
FM Philie - Fm Ghazan - Crown Princess - Charge FM Raiden & FM Yayap
FM Rumpel - FM P'Li - Tracker/Framer - Frame FM MrSmarter

[FM Ming-Hua]

Actually, I could say I received no feedback last night, and the consort can still block someone. Suggest that I have been drugged.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Nevermind that would mess with the charged claim plan. Ill still with role-blocked.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Ok, since the blackmailer seems to be causing a bit of confusion I'm going to try to make the rules of blackmailing easier to understand and outline what we expect in a blackmail.

Each blackmail can contain one (and only one) demand. Most (if not all) demands should fall into one of these categories:
Claiming (claim a role), feedback (claim feedback), accusing (accuse X of being/doing/saying Y), defending (defend self, defend other player), voting (Vote a player), posting (don't make any posts all day, Make a post that says: "insert words here", etc.)

Since you can only have one demand, saying "Make a post that says X and another post that says Y" is unacceptable because you are instructing them to do two things. You can only force them to do one thing.

You can, however, set an unlimited number of parameters. Parameters are restrictions that dictate how the demand can/cannot be completed. These can be anything as long as the blackmail is still possible to complete, within reason, and the task is something that is within the person's control.

We're leaving it up to you to determine if your blackmails are or are not acceptable according to the above guidelines. As long as your blackmail follows these requirements, it will be acceptable. Once a blackmail is locked in for the night, we will check to make sure it fits within these guidelines and if it does, we will send it and ensure the blackmailed player either fulfills the demand, or pays the price. If, however, the blackmail does not meet the above criteria, then it will not be sent and the blackmailer will instead spend the night twiddling his thumbs.

Just to make sure this is clear: We will not be answering questions along the lines of "Is this blackmail acceptable?". You will have to apply these rules and see if it fits them yourself.

[FM Ming-Hua]

My interpretation of that makes the 20 posts, 10 posts in between posts valid, but not with anything else as the 20 posts is a demand.

[FM Ghazan]

Uhhhhh :/ Difficult. Blackmailer is a shite role. So much hard work to accomplish what other roles really do.
You can tell them to accuse someone but then cant make them vote them?
You can tell them to make a post but then they can just ignore that they did it, as any parameters are set for only the post?

[FM Ghazan]

So how about this one.




This is my demand:
This is what you must do:
You must convince the majority of players that FalseTruth has charged you last night.

You have to make this convincing. If the majority of people are not convinced by your claim you will of failed the blackmailed.
(Which results in your death and lynch block next day)
You can not try to get out of the blackmail or try to do anything to show you are blackmailed.

You can not do any of the following to hint or suggest that you are blackmailed:
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not post videos
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signature
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that any of the post you make are not your choice.

[FM Ghazan]

If everyone agrees that Blackmail only has one demand, and the parameters cover any loopholes/gaps. Then we shall use it. But I need you to agree on it.

Also going to change this slightly:

FM Auckmid - Fm Zaheer - Phoenix King - Prep Zach
FM Ganondorf - Fm Ming-Hua - Consigliere - Investigate FM divemaster127. Claim to be charged.
FM GoonSwarm - FmUnalaq - Consort - Role Block FM Spy
FM Northstar - FmAiwei - Blackmailer - Blackmail: FM vornksr
FM Philie - Fm Ghazan - Crown Princess - Charge FM Raiden & FM Yayap
FM Rumpel - FM P'Li - Tracker/Framer - Frame FM MrSmarter


Reasons:
Ganodorf is going to die at somepoint. Better to let him claim charged to aid his goal at the day.
Goonswarm might as well do something now. Best to block someone.

[FM Ghazan]

I know 3 other people are here. SHOW YOURSELVES <3

[FM Unalaq]

Wait I missed what your code was for revealing the role of the player you check

Sorry playing League

[FM Ming-Hua]

So how about this one.




This is my demand:
This is what you must do:
You must convince the majority of players that FalseTruth has charged you last night.

You have to make this convincing. If the majority of people are not convinced by your claim you will of failed the blackmailed.
(Which results in your death and lynch block next day)
You can not try to get out of the blackmail or try to do anything to show you are blackmailed.

You can not do any of the following to hint or suggest that you are blackmailed:
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not post videos
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signature
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that any of the post you make are not your choice.



Whether this is valid or not it cannot be judged, and again you are giving away information. By using this blackmail you tell them FalseTruth is not mafia, and even if FalseTruth is not lynched he will not suicide.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Wait I missed what your code was for revealing the role of the player you check

Sorry playing League

*High Fives*

I was playing League too! :P

[FM Ming-Hua]

The detective one from day 1 is usable for roles. I didn't use it, but I will this time.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Ooooh, how bout this! We have a way to kill the survivor right? I say we BLACKMAIL THE SURVIVOR, and make it powerful with a prepping.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Actually come to think of it, I'm not sure what we could make him say.

[FM Unalaq]

Yeah same here. I have no clue what to make him say. just went 14/12/27 as Panth on ARAM. I don't trust my connection for ranked.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Uhhhhh :/ Difficult. Blackmailer is a shite role. So much hard work to accomplish what other roles really do.
You can tell them to accuse someone but then cant make them vote them?
You can tell them to make a post but then they can just ignore that they did it, as any parameters are set for only the post?

Accuse and vote can be part of the same demand since they go hand in hand.

Parameters can apply to a single post or all posts, depending on what you want/how you word them.

[FM Ming-Hua]

What about a double bluff?

Blackmail a player to start a train one of our own, and leave loopholes intentionally for him to get the message through. For example we might blackmail him to counterclaim me.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Uhhhhh :/ Difficult. Blackmailer is a shite role. So much hard work to accomplish what other roles really do.
You can tell them to accuse someone but then cant make them vote them?
You can tell them to make a post but then they can just ignore that they did it, as any parameters are set for only the post?

I agree, but let me know what you think about the idea above. I don't see any way it can backfire in the position I'm in.

[Forum Mafia GM]

So how about this one.




This is my demand:
This is what you must do:
You must convince the majority of players that FalseTruth has charged you last night.

You have to make this convincing. If the majority of people are not convinced by your claim you will of failed the blackmailed.
(Which results in your death and lynch block next day)
You can not try to get out of the blackmail or try to do anything to show you are blackmailed.

You can not do any of the following to hint or suggest that you are blackmailed:
You can not post pictures.
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not post links
You can not post videos
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signature
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that any of the post you make are not your choice.



The demand has to be something that is within the person's power to control. So you can tell your target to attempt to convince everyone that a player charged him/her (and set parameters that leave the person no choice but to actually genuinely try to convince them of it), but that is as far as it goes. No one can control how people will respond to what they say, so it would be unfair to judge success or failure based on how people respond.

[FM Ming-Hua]

-Blackmail Zack


[SPOILER=DEMAND]This is my demand:
This is what you must do:

Claim Truthseer with the following leads.
n1: FM Ozzy is a member of the Gaang.
n2: FM Monster is not a member of the Gaang.

You can not try to get out of the blackmail or try to do anything to show you are blackmailed.

You can not do any of the following to hint or suggest that you are blackmailed:
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signature
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that any of the post you make are not your choice.
You can not post pictures
You can not post links
You can not post videos[/DEMAND]

[FM Ming-Hua]

-Blackmail Zack


This is my demand:
This is what you must do:

Claim Truthseer with the following leads.
n1: FM Ozzy is a member of the Gaang.
n2: FM Monster is not a member of the Gaang.

You can not try to get out of the blackmail or try to do anything to show you are blackmailed.

You can not do any of the following to hint or suggest that you are blackmailed:
You can not post quotes.
You can not post codes.
You can not post numbers.
You can not post symbols.
You can not use text colouring
You can not change your signature
You can not change your avatar
You can not change your profile
You can not change your profile settings
You can not hint that any of the post you make are not your choice.
You can not post pictures
You can not post links
You can not post videos

I'm so bad at BBCODE lol

[FM Ghazan]

I liked the double bluff.
GREEN WRITING --> What is the latest time for night actions

[FM P'Li]

If we have two roles and we die will both of them be revealed?

-frame FM MrSmarter

[FM Ming-Hua]

So we need to make it final, who do we want to send it to, Zack was a suggestion, but its risky because of MM/Lookout. The two targets of the leads should be town, and the second should be someone we want lynched.

[Forum Mafia GM]

If we have two roles and we die will both of them be revealed?


Yes.

[FM Zaheer]

FM Zaheer - Phoenix King - Prep Zack
FM Ming-Hua - Consigliere - Investigate FM divemaster127
FM Ghazan - Crown Princess - Charge FM Raiden & FM Yayap
FM P'Li - Tracker/Framer - Frame FM MrSmarter
FM Unalaq - Consort - Block FM Narks

Aiwei already submittet a demand, cant overwrite that, I think blocking Narks could actual be useful, he claimed Lookout yesterday, if he has no feedback today it will look easier as a lie.

[FM Ming-Hua]

Hopefull Aiwei comes back in time to change it. I think this idea is way better than a silence.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I liked the double bluff.
GREEN WRITING --> What is the latest time for night actions

Just saw this. 9:00PM CST (15 minutes from now) is the deadline. It's always 1 hour before night ends, in case that wasn't clear.

[Forum Mafia GM]

FM Zaheer - Phoenix King - Prep Zack
FM Ming-Hua - Consigliere - Investigate FM divemaster127
FM Ghazan - Crown Princess - Charge FM Raiden & FM Yayap
FM P'Li - Tracker/Framer - Frame FM MrSmarter
FM Unalaq - Consort - Block FM Narks




FM Aiwei - Blackmail FM Yayap Do not post anything in the day chat

These are your locked actions for tonight.

[Slaol]

Night 2 has ended