Day 1: The Awakening

[Forum Mafia GM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p5BIr4o5ew

Aang awakens to find himself weakened, his head full of hair, and all of his friends dressed in Fire Nation clothing riding a stolen ship. He is dismayed to discover that the world believes him to be dead, just like when he was frozen in ice. He realizes that with the fall of Ba Sing Se, secrecy is their greatest advantage, and gives up his glider to the lava flows of Avatar Roku's island.

- Role List -

- Fire Nation -
Ozai (Phoenix King)
Azula (Crown Princess)
Hidden Fire Nation
Hidden Fire Nation
Hidden Fire Nation
Hidden Fire Nation

- Neutral Evil -
Combustion Man (Mass Murderer)
Hama (Hidden Neutral Evil)

- The Gaang -
Aang (Avatar)
Katara (Doctor)
Sokka (Nurse)
Toph (Truthseer)
Zuko (Vigilante)
Appa (Bus Driver)
Iroh (Grand Lotus)
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang
Hidden Gaang

- Ember Island Informant -
Cabbage Merchant (Hidden Benign)


- Player List -

FM AscendedOne (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14640)
FM Auckmid (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14641)
FM Clawtrocity (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14642)
FM Crimson (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14643)
FM divemaster127 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14644)
FM FalseTruth (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14645)
FM Ganondorf (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14646)
FM Gerik (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14647)
FM Goonswarm (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14648)
FM Illidan (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14649)
FM McPwnage (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14650)
FM MileS (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14651)
FM monster (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14652)
FM MrSmarter (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14653)
FM Narks (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14654)
FM NorthStar (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14655)
FM oops_ur_dead (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14656)
FM Ozymandias (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14657)
FM philie (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14658)
FM Procyon (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14659)
FM Raiden (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14660)
FM Rumpel (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14661)
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14662)
FM Severn (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14663)
FM Slaol (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14664)
FM Spy (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14665)
FM TheJackofSpades (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14666)
FM vornksr (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14667)
FM Yayap (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14668)
FM Zack (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14669)

16 votes to lynch

Day has begun.
Day ends at this time (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+pm+cst+january+1%2C+2015).

[FM MrSmarter]

Hello Everyone!

[FM Ganondorf]

Hello everyone, I'm Ganondorf: I don't believe I've played a game with a single one of you before, so I am looking forward to an interesting game. Considering that we have no power role information to go off of and since I don't know you all that well, I would personally support waiting to duel until the second day for two reasons. Reason one: it gives everyone time to analyze each other's behavior, but that is obvious. However, I'm more looking to see who the mafia targets at night before a duel begins. Like it was previously stated, dueling is risky business, but I believe that seeing who the mafia targeted and trying to figure out why might just provide us with enough information to go with it. In the meantime, I'm all for lynching a lurker day 1, but until then...

FM MrSmarter

[FM MrSmarter]

Hello everyone, I'm Ganondorf: I don't believe I've played a game with a single one of you before, so I am looking forward to an interesting game. Considering that we have no power role information to go off of and since I don't know you all that well, I would personally support waiting to duel until the second day for two reasons. Reason one: it gives everyone time to analyze each other's behavior, but that is obvious. However, I'm more looking to see who the mafia targets at night before a duel begins. Like it was previously stated, dueling is risky business, but I believe that seeing who the mafia targeted and trying to figure out why might just provide us with enough information to go with it. In the meantime, I'm all for lynching a lurker day 1, but until then...

FM MrSmarter

Well hello, I hope you have a fun time then.

In the meantime, FM Gerik , Time to vote a host!

[FM Crimson]

Time to break the game..

Everyone should post "I am part of the Gaang" in a separate post and let toph pick one of them. That way if anyone tries to object to it or does not comply is probably scum claiming.

We already know that a post can't be framed or anything so if everyone does a post just stating that Toph can easily confirm people who are lying if its checked.

[FM Crimson]

I am part of the Gaang

[FM Ozymandias]

Good evening, town. My name is Ozymandias, king of kings. Look on my posts, ye Scummy, and despair!

I'll jump right into business. Everyone in the game should at some point during this day post the following (and ONLY the following - put this in a new post with no other information):


My primary role's alignment is town.

The Truthseer will be able to find non-town by checking these posts at random (randomly to prevent being found by scum roles or killed by those who might trap a person who's been FOS'd). If everyone posts this and the Truthseer doesn't reveal, they can go about checking people in peace.

The Truthseer should avoid revealing until they have multiple non-town leads.

Anyone who DOESN'T post this should be seen as highly suspicious.

I look forward to lynching some Mafia with the rest of you guys.

EDIT:
And Crimson beat me to it.

[FM Ozymandias]

My primary role's alignment is Town.

[FM Goonswarm]

Hello everyone. Forgive me for my shitty Avatar, nigga be lazy as fuq

[FM Spy]

Greetings, everyone.

[FM Spy]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Ozymandias]

Who has posted for Toph:

FM AscendedOne - NO
FM Auckmid - NO
FM Clawtrocity - NO
FM Crimson - YES
FM divemaster127 - NO
FM FalseTruth - NO
FM Ganondorf - NO
FM Gerik - NO
FM Goonswarm - NO
FM Illidan - NO
FM McPwnage - NO
FM MileS - NO
FM monster - NO
FM MrSmarter - NO
FM Narks - NO
FM NorthStar - NO
FM oops_ur_dead - NO
FM Ozymandias - YES
FM philie - NO
FM Procyon - NO
FM Raiden - NO
FM Rumpel - NO
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - NO
FM Severn - NO
FM Slaol - NO
FM Spy - YES
FM TheJackofSpades - NO
FM vornksr - NO
FM Yayap - NO
FM Zack - NO

[FM Ganondorf]

I too am part of the Gaang.

[FM Goonswarm]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Procyon]

Hello everyone.

[FM Procyon]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Ozymandias]

Who has posted for Toph:

FM AscendedOne - NO
FM Auckmid - NO
FM Clawtrocity - NO
FM Crimson - YES
FM divemaster127 - NO
FM FalseTruth - NO
FM Ganondorf - YES
FM Gerik - NO
FM Goonswarm - YES
FM Illidan - NO
FM McPwnage - NO
FM MileS - NO
FM monster - NO
FM MrSmarter - NO
FM Narks - NO
FM NorthStar - NO
FM oops_ur_dead - NO
FM Ozymandias - YES
FM philie - NO
FM Procyon - YES
FM Raiden - NO
FM Rumpel - NO
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - NO
FM Severn - NO
FM Slaol - NO
FM Spy - YES
FM TheJackofSpades - NO
FM vornksr - NO
FM Yayap - NO
FM Zack - NO

[FM MrSmarter]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Goonswarm]

Anyways, did everyone have a good Christmas or Kwanzaa or Hanukkah? I got pants and shtuff like that.

[FM Ozymandias]

Anyways, did everyone have a good Christmas or Kwanzaa or Hanukkah? I got pants and shtuff like that.

I got a really nice slate and a bunch of gaff tape. Quite pleased overall.

[FM Procyon]

I got a sweater, which was about what I was expecting.

[FM Ozymandias]

Was it... was it a nice sweater?

[FM Ganondorf]

I'd wager it was an ugly sweater. I'd like to know did it win the ugly sweater contest?

[FM Ozymandias]

Update. I'm going to do this once per page I think, instead of constantly. xD

Any other lists people want me to keep? Thought about starting a post tally but scum tend to post a bunch (just empty, bullshitty posts).

Who has posted for Toph:

FM AscendedOne - NO
FM Auckmid - NO
FM Clawtrocity - NO
FM Crimson - YES
FM divemaster127 - NO
FM FalseTruth - NO
FM Ganondorf - YES
FM Gerik - NO
FM Goonswarm - YES
FM Illidan - NO
FM McPwnage - NO
FM MileS - NO
FM monster - NO
FM MrSmarter - YES
FM Narks - NO
FM NorthStar - NO
FM oops_ur_dead - NO
FM Ozymandias - YES
FM philie - NO
FM Procyon - YES
FM Raiden - NO
FM Rumpel - NO
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - NO
FM Severn - NO
FM Slaol - NO
FM Spy - YES
FM TheJackofSpades - NO
FM vornksr - NO
FM Yayap - NO
FM Zack - NO

[FM Procyon]

Was it... was it a nice sweater?

It was, actually.

[FM Gerik]

Well hello, I hope you have a fun time then.

In the meantime, FM Gerik , Time to vote a host!

I'm going to mod kill you!

[Slaol]

Was it... was it a nice sweater?

I received a nice sweater... if anyone was wondering.

[FM MrSmarter]

I received a nice sweater... if anyone was wondering.

I wasn't. :)

[FM Gerik]

I am a member of the gaang / green town

[FM divemaster127]

Herro

I am part of the Gaang

[FM Gerik]

I received a nice sweater... if anyone was wondering.

True love comes in the form of a Cosby sweater

[FM divemaster127]

Hello everyone, I'm Ganondorf: I don't believe I've played a game with a single one of you before, so I am looking forward to an interesting game. Considering that we have no power role information to go off of and since I don't know you all that well, I would personally support waiting to duel until the second day for two reasons. Reason one: it gives everyone time to analyze each other's behavior, but that is obvious. However, I'm more looking to see who the mafia targets at night before a duel begins. Like it was previously stated, dueling is risky business, but I believe that seeing who the mafia targeted and trying to figure out why might just provide us with enough information to go with it. In the meantime, I'm all for lynching a lurker day 1, but until then...

I am apparently much thicker and lazier then all of the other people who have posted so far and need you to explain "dueling".

[FM Ozymandias]

I am apparently much thicker and lazier then all of the other people who have posted so far and need you to explain "dueling".

I'm assuming he meant lynching? Maybe was trying to do some RP sort of thing. Who knows.

[FM divemaster127]

I'm assuming he meant lynching? Maybe was trying to do some RP sort of thing. Who knows.

Read please. He wouldn't be giving reasons not to duel until at least the second day if it was an RP post, and he wouldn't end his post with "I'm all for lynching a lurker day 1" if dueling was lynching.

[FM Yayap]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Yayap]

I too am part of the Gaang.

Please repost to say "I am part of the Gaang."

This could come up false if one of the people you are referring to with the "I, too" is not town aligned... Or if you are not town aligned and you want some way to spin the post later so you can remain town seeming.

[FM oops_ur_dead]

I am part of the Gaang (town)

[FM oops_ur_dead]

I am also a citizen please recruit me

[FM oops_ur_dead]

FM Ganondorf

Zzz

[FM Northstar]

Hello everyone! Fm yayap This player makes me sad.

[FM Auckmid]

Hello guys.

I am part of the Gaang

[FM Auckmid]

Anyways, did everyone have a good Christmas or Kwanzaa or Hanukkah? I got pants and shtuff like that.

I got ten dollars to christmas not more and not less.^^

[FM philie]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM philie]

Frwarrrrrrrrr, A Little chilly in here eh. But I be not releasing information about which presents I obtained for the 24th of December.

I thought there exists many of citizens as Primary roles, with power roles to unlock in the future.

Do last wills go public for everyone or is it only public for citizens?

[FM Clawtrocity]

I'm part of green town.

[FM Yayap]

I'm part of green town.

Technically it's not called "green town". Please post that you are part of the Gaang.

[FM Yayap]

Hello everyone! Fm yayap This player makes me sad.

Pray tell why?

[FM Gerik]

I'm pretty sure a "true" feedback on a player saying he is green town will be the same as saying he is gaang. There is only one green faction.

I really hope that we dont get stuck on one role to dominate day chat.

[FM Gerik]

3/7 chance of hitting a non town with a random lynch btw. Sadly scum players generally lurk so its kind of a worse chance than that especially given the vote block.

We could always speculate on possible roles or pressure vote to draw out some player connections. That always proves useful down the road.


If you know anyone that joined the game who probably won't check the site regularly and did not confirm after the start date was released it would be great to give them a friendly "game started" poke. Nobody loves a lurk fest.

[FM Gerik]

FM Yayap

[FM Procyon]

-vote FM Ganondorf

[FM philie]

Get a Picks out.


I am part of the Gaang

I'm going to mod kill you!

I'm part of green town.

[FM philie]

FM Clawtrocity

[FM Gerik]

Why the random lone votes?

[FM philie]

Why the random lone votes?

Because they came and went. Didn't say Howdy. How dare she. Never even said happy birthday.

Why the long face?

[FM Gerik]

Why the long face?

If I forget remind me in 24 hours and I will give you an answer.

Anything posted so far that sticks out to you outside of that? My read on that comment is a player that is either busy or is selective in their comments- to the point they want a read on others to model their comments to get reactions. That's manipulative scum or clever town. Or- more likely I am reading too far into this and only explaining as much to get an honest answer from you and change the tone of d1 chat.

[FM Rumpel]

I am part of the Gaang

[FM FalseTruth]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Gerik]

I am part of the Gaang.

Are you? Your name is false truth after all.. Can you say something above the knee deep substance we have seen so far to stand on?

[FM FalseTruth]

Hello everyone, I'm Ganondorf: I don't believe I've played a game with a single one of you before, so I am looking forward to an interesting game. Considering that we have no power role information to go off of and since I don't know you all that well, I would personally support waiting to duel until the second day for two reasons. Reason one: it gives everyone time to analyze each other's behavior, but that is obvious. However, I'm more looking to see who the mafia targets at night before a duel begins. Like it was previously stated, dueling is risky business, but I believe that seeing who the mafia targeted and trying to figure out why might just provide us with enough information to go with it. In the meantime, I'm all for lynching a lurker day 1, but until then...

FM MrSmarter


Sounds like some noobscum trying too hard to look Town.

FM Ganondorf

[FM FalseTruth]

Are you? Your name is false truth after all.. Can you say something above the knee deep substance we have seen so far to stand on?

I did not get a sweater for Christmas. There's not much more to say this early on other than that I hate the name I was given. Too WIFOM-y.

[FM Rumpel]

Yo yo hello

IMO we should go ahead with a random lynch no matter what.
Always gives valuable info at the end of the day

I'll place my vote tomorrow, sleep well guys

[FM Gerik]

I did not get a sweater for Christmas. There's not much more to say this early on other than that I hate the name I was given. Too WIFOM-y.

Interesting answer. Can you give an opinion on any post so far that struck you in either direction?

[FM Gerik]

Avatar should read the possible feedback thread and think about the implications.

[FM Gerik]

Yo yo hello

IMO we should go ahead with a random lynch no matter what.
Always gives valuable info at the end of the day

I'll place my vote tomorrow, sleep well guys

11.11% chance of that paying off on the lynch. (If all the reds are active and I have a balance boner saying the hosts planned for inactive players) Bilut say they balanced it perfectly. The number remains. That suggests that you see a town life > the combined value of that 11% chance and the reference of the votes / conversation we can use as clues..

Ballzy call sir. To say the least.

[FM FalseTruth]

Interesting answer. Can you give an opinion on any post so far that struck you in either direction?

FM Ganondorf's post #3, sounds like noobscum to me, I'm really hating FM Rumpel's post #62 calling for a random lynch.

[FM Ozymandias]

I'm revising this list, in light of what Yayap said on page 2. If you do not post the following (with NO modifications), I will not include you in the list of people who've posted for Toph:


I am part of the Gaang

No other words or funny jokes or whatnot. Save the jokes for your other spammy day 1 posts - the whole point of this is for there to be ZERO ambiguity or wiggle room if it results in a lie feedback for Truthseer.

List incoming in a few minutes (gotta print something upstairs first).

As for people calling for a random lynch, I'm not entirely behind that idea, simply because it would suck to force one of our town power roles to reveal (or worse yet lynch Aang on day 1).

@FT: Behind you on not liking that call for a random lynch.

[FM Gerik]

I'm revising this list, in light of what Yayap said on page 2. If you do not post the following (with NO modifications), I will not include you in the list of people who've posted for Toph:


I Refuse. My post was sufficient in every way. Put me on your scum list.


FM Ganondorf's post #3, sounds like noobscum to me, I'm really hating FM Rumpel's post #62 calling for a random lynch.

I can respect that answer. Ask me any question and I will repay you in kind. If not in a timely manner.

[FM Ozymandias]

I Refuse. My post was sufficient in every way. Put me on your scum list.

Literally the ONLY reason to refuse to take five seconds to post correctly is because you actually are scum, so...

[FM FalseTruth]

I can respect that answer. Ask me any question and I will repay you in kind. If not in a timely manner.

Thanks. :)

[FM Gerik]

Literally the ONLY reason to refuse to take five seconds to post correctly is because you actually are scum, so...

Open your mind and say something outside of the box. Ask a good question or provide a good statement. Anything less is generic fluff.

[FM Ozymandias]

Open your mind and say something outside of the box. Ask a good question or provide a good statement. Anything less is generic fluff.

Jester soft claim? Scummy.

Normally I wouldn't vote day 1, but I think you deserve it.
FM Gerik

[FM Ozymandias]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Ozymandias]

Players who have posted for Toph:


FM AscendedOne
FM Auckmid
FM Clawtrocity
FM Crimson - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467552&viewfull=1#post467552))
FM divemaster127
FM FalseTruth - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467621&viewfull=1#post467621))
FM Ganondorf
FM Gerik
FM Goonswarm - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467562&viewfull=1#post467562))
FM Illidan
FM McPwnage
FM MileS
FM monster
FM MrSmarter - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467566&viewfull=1#post467566))
FM Narks
FM NorthStar
FM oops_ur_dead
FM Ozymandias - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467637&viewfull=1#post467637))
FM philie - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467600&viewfull=1#post467600))
FM Procyon - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467564&viewfull=1#post467564))
FM Raiden
FM Rumpel - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467620&viewfull=1#post467620))
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
FM Severn
FM Slaol
FM Spy - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467559&viewfull=1#post467559))
FM TheJackofSpades
FM vornksr
FM Yayap - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467589&viewfull=1#post467589))
FM Zack

[FM Gerik]

Jester soft claim? Scummy.

Normally I wouldn't vote day 1, but I think you deserve it.
FM Gerik

I'm sure that you are town because of your carrying a list of an obvious mechanic everyone thought of as soon as they read the role existed.
Oh.. Wait. No.. That makes no sense. No scum would ever pull such a move and my post obviously gave me wiggle room because of the "/green town" part. Is this a noob scum slip or just ignorance? Do you have anything to contribute other than your list or did you hope it would mark you as a townie?

[FM Raiden]

hi guys

[FM Gerik]

Early heavy participation can mean excitement over a role. I'm getting a scum vibe. Anyone else care to analyze this play?

[FM Ozymandias]

I'm sure that you are town because of your carrying a list of an obvious mechanic everyone thought of as soon as they read the role existed.
Oh.. Wait. No.. That makes no sense. No scum would ever pull such a move and my post obviously gave me wiggle room because of the "/green town" part. Is this a noob scum slip or just ignorance? Do you have anything to contribute other than your list or did you hope it would mark you as a townie?

Well, it's day 1, so let me list all of my incredible night results that reveal the entire Mafia and contribute:

K, done.

And here is a list of all the people who have been ganging up to vote on townies who have been mislynched:

K, done.

All sarcasm aside, it's day 1. The only way to contribute at this point is to make the Toph post and then wait for night 1 and the results it will bring. So my point stands - there is literally no reason not to simply post "I am part of the Gaang" with no modifications and no room for error. To NOT do so is incredibly scummy. Does my list threaten you that much? xD

@Your newest post: Excitement over a role could mean a town power role, too. Or it could simply mean boredom over flipping Shitizen and not having anything else to do other than make lists and post a bunch during day 1.

Do you really want to chastise people for being too active when half the players haven't even posted yet?

[FM FalseTruth]

Early heavy participation can mean excitement over a role. I'm getting a scum vibe. Anyone else care to analyze this play?

Early heavy participation can mean a lot of things. So can early lurking. Neither are alignment-indicative.

[FM Gerik]

All : Do you really want to chastise people for being too active when half the players haven't even posted yet?

Is that what I am doing? Explain the logic behind your vote. I bet it begins and ends with that statement you repeated while excluding my rebuttal. If you want to quell my line of thought give your own on some other post. Or did record keeping replace scum hunting at some point?

[FM Gerik]

Early heavy participation can mean a lot of things. So can early lurking. Neither are alignment-indicative.

True words. But how do you read that particular move?

[FM Ozymandias]

For everyone's consideration, here are the posts that modified Crimson's Toph post (and thus didn't make the cut for the list):

Ganondorf - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467561&viewfull=1#post467561

Gerik - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467579&viewfull=1#post467579

divemaster127 - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467583&viewfull=1#post467583
(He added "Herro" at the beginning - didn't know if I should include it or not, so I erred on the side of caution)

oops_ur_dead - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467591&viewfull=1#post467591
(Added "(town)" at the end, which I personally think is okay, but still didn't include it since it deviated)

Auckmid - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467598&viewfull=1#post467598
(Added "Hello guys." at the beginning. Again, probably okay, but doesn't conform)

Clawtrocity - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467602&viewfull=1#post467602
(green town?)

I've also checked all posts that made the list for invisible ink.

@Gerik: I voted you because so far, your posts aren't really that logical. You seem to be pushing for a lynch (or at least stirring up trouble) on a day when doing so doesn't really add anything to the game (other than confusion). And to top it off, you still refuse to post six words that would allow a town power role to clear you. All that adds up to a pressure vote which I'll gladly rescind if you simply take five seconds to, to quote Varrick, "do the thing" that everyone else is doing - make the proper Toph post. And record keeping maintains organization and facilitates communication (and clarity) for town. Plus, I like making lists.

Anywho, I've gotta go for now. I'll be on more this evening while I wait for my flight to leave.

[FM MrSmarter]

Hello everyone, I'm Ganondorf: I don't believe I've played a game with a single one of you before, so I am looking forward to an interesting game. Considering that we have no power role information to go off of and since I don't know you all that well, I would personally support waiting to duel until the second day for two reasons. Reason one: it gives everyone time to analyze each other's behavior, but that is obvious. However, I'm more looking to see who the mafia targets at night before a duel begins. Like it was previously stated, dueling is risky business, but I believe that seeing who the mafia targeted and trying to figure out why might just provide us with enough information to go with it. In the meantime, I'm all for lynching a lurker day 1, but until then...

FM MrSmarter

Ok now that I am full awake I can actually think. I don't agree with lynching a lurker day 1. When there is no info scum aren't afraid to talk since they know for sure there is nothing on them. Also in general day one is usually a day where town lurks. History has shown day one is pretty much kill a town lurker. I don't mind pressure voting at all though.

[FM Gerik]

I still refuse. I also take your response as a dodge. If my posts are not logical why not explain their fallacy? If I had wiggle room in what I posted why not point that out? If you had analyzed any other post by anyone why not throw out a thought? My read on you is that you had no intention of scum hunting. Just controlling an obvious ploy. That you probably had no intention of posting "I r town" yourself until I challenged you and that your exit was all too convenient in its timing.
One cent for giggles, Two for the early fos

[FM MrSmarter]

Yo yo hello

IMO we should go ahead with a random lynch no matter what.
Always gives valuable info at the end of the day

I'll place my vote tomorrow, sleep well guys

I agree it does give us info, but depending if we kill a lurker at most we can find out is he is scum or he is town and that is all since they were probably lurking and not giving out anything.

[FM MrSmarter]

I'm sure that you are town because of your carrying a list of an obvious mechanic everyone thought of as soon as they read the role existed.
Oh.. Wait. No.. That makes no sense. No scum would ever pull such a move and my post obviously gave me wiggle room because of the "/green town" part. Is this a noob scum slip or just ignorance? Do you have anything to contribute other than your list or did you hope it would mark you as a townie?

I do actually agree with this post in a way. Lists have generally been a scum play, because it is the easiest way to contribute without giving information out. Not going to pull the trigger because town can do it as well, but you do have a point.

[FM Gerik]

I do actually agree with this post in a way. Lists have generally been a scum play, because it is the easiest way to contribute without giving information out. Not going to pull the trigger because town can do it as well, but you do have a point.

Sounds like you came to play ball. Any reason you really see a lurker being a greater target than someone who participates?

[FM MrSmarter]

atm I'm going to FM Rumpel

I don't like that he came in a straight up said we should lynch someone then leave. I wanna he his thoughts about lynching someone today.

[FM MrSmarter]

Sounds like you came to play ball. Any reason you really see a lurker being a greater target than someone who participates?

Maybe a lurker is better a bit later into the game, but one day one scum can participate without worrying about any information about them so they are more willing to talk. I think we should watch if participation from certain people drops off without any reason. That can help us find scum.

[FM MrSmarter]

Sounds like you came to play ball. Any reason you really see a lurker being a greater target than someone who participates?

Also my post to Rumpel was said in response that he probably read Ganondorf's first post and agreed with it. I want to hear who he thinks are good targets.

[FM Gerik]

Maybe a lurker is better a bit later into the game, but one day one scum can participate without worrying about any information about them so they are more willing to talk. I think we should watch if participation from certain people drops off without any reason. That can help us find scum.

I agree 100%. But I feel that from the 2 games I read on this community its a mild participator that gets hit over a "no show" lurker. So why is the lurker at a greater risk in your mind? Should I read further back or am I missing some key point?

[FM MrSmarter]

I agree 100%. But I feel that from the 2 games I read on this community its a mild participator that gets hit over a "no show" lurker. So why is the lurker at a greater risk in your mind? Should I read further back or am I missing some key point?

First with the amount of replacements this game has, which I fear is very little, a no show lurker will either get replaced or get modkilled anyways. I've been in enough games to see a town is pretty much hit every day 1 and I just feel like that isn't going to change unless a scum slips up massively.

[FM FalseTruth]

Gerik, Ozy might be anal scum, but still, it wouldn't hurt to make the post. Don't do it for him, do it for Town.

[FM Yayap]

I'm sure that you are town because of your carrying a list of an obvious mechanic everyone thought of as soon as they read the role existed.
Oh.. Wait. No.. That makes no sense. No scum would ever pull such a move and my post obviously gave me wiggle room because of the "/green town" part. Is this a noob scum slip or just ignorance? Do you have anything to contribute other than your list or did you hope it would mark you as a townie?

Honestly though, the hosts WOULD totally be like:

Slaol: noooope it's not called 'green town' lol
Gerik: yeah lol this guy
Slaol: what a n00b the real Gerik would never make this mistake
Gerik: well since the statement's technically not true it's coming back to Toph as false regardless of alignment
Slaol: lol n00b

[FM Gerik]

Gerik, Ozy might be anal scum, but still, it wouldn't hurt to make the post. Don't do it for him, do it for Town.

Could, should, would; but reasons. I would love to see a topic shift in a productive way. Keep in mind its a 72 hour day but that also means we only have 72 hours of d1. Which really is extremely valuable.

[FM Gerik]

Honestly though, the hosts WOULD totally be like:

Slaol: noooope it's not called 'green town' lol
Gerik: yeah lol this guy
Slaol: what a n00b the real Gerik would never make this mistake
Gerik: well since the statement's technically not true it's coming back to Toph as false regardless of alignment
Slaol: lol n00b

The one thing better than second guessing the hosts is asking them.

[FM Yayap]

For everyone's consideration, here are the posts that modified Crimson's Toph post (and thus didn't make the cut for the list):

Ganondorf - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467561&viewfull=1#post467561

Gerik - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467579&viewfull=1#post467579

divemaster127 - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467583&viewfull=1#post467583
(He added "Herro" at the beginning - didn't know if I should include it or not, so I erred on the side of caution)

oops_ur_dead - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467591&viewfull=1#post467591
(Added "(town)" at the end, which I personally think is okay, but still didn't include it since it deviated)

Auckmid - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467598&viewfull=1#post467598
(Added "Hello guys." at the beginning. Again, probably okay, but doesn't conform)

Clawtrocity - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467602&viewfull=1#post467602
(green town?)

I've also checked all posts that made the list for invisible ink.

@Gerik: I voted you because so far, your posts aren't really that logical. You seem to be pushing for a lynch (or at least stirring up trouble) on a day when doing so doesn't really add anything to the game (other than confusion). And to top it off, you still refuse to post six words that would allow a town power role to clear you. All that adds up to a pressure vote which I'll gladly rescind if you simply take five seconds to, to quote Varrick, "do the thing" that everyone else is doing - make the proper Toph post. And record keeping maintains organization and facilitates communication (and clarity) for town. Plus, I like making lists.

Anywho, I've gotta go for now. I'll be on more this evening while I wait for my flight to leave.

Did someone say to do the thing?! *slow motion turn* **cue sparkles and mysterious breeze**

Auckmid's post containing "hello guys" could be false since not everyone here is a 'guy'. I would rather be over cautious than sorry especially since I know one of the hosts was pretty madbro about town loopholes to blackmail in FM 18...

Or maybe it's just the OCD coming out.

[FM Yayap]

The one thing better than second guessing the hosts is asking them.

I'm going to voluntell you to do this because I'm on my phone and can't access the BB colors without a heap of trouble.

[FM Crimson]

FM Gerik

ozzy is most likey town, false is probably scum with gerik

[FM Auckmid]

I am against random lynching day 1 too, espacially not the lurkers, since everyone who doesnt post at least 5 times a day gets replaced or killed. (I hate this rule btw, I prefer to post 2-3 times a day, but with actual content)

Anyway i think ozymandias is a bit to obsessed with details, but I will give him the clean sentence after this post.

Other then that we still have time, before I make any decisions about lynching someone I will at least wait until thursday.
From the FM´s i played so far, "pressure" votes were literally useless anyway.

Also, Sokka needs to be careful as hell with his ability, I dont want to see a double disguise again like it was in Book 2 the case.

[FM Auckmid]

I am part of the Gaang

[FM Auckmid]

FM Gerik

ozzy is most likey town, false is probably scum with gerik

On what do you base this?

[FM Gerik]

Did someone say to do the thing?! *slow motion turn* **cue sparkles and mysterious breeze**

Auckmid's post containing "hello guys" could be false since not everyone here is a 'guy'. I would rather be over cautious than sorry especially since I know one of the hosts was pretty madbro about town loopholes to blackmail in FM 18...

Or maybe it's just the OCD coming out.

Truthseeing detects whether or not there are any lies within a given post and only receives a yes or no confirmation from the hosts ("Yes, there is a lie somewhere in the post" or "No, the entire post is true"). As such, if that statement (or a similar statement with no/impossible to determine truth value) is in a larger post, it will be ignored and the truth seeing will assess whether or there are any lies in the remainder of the post. If there is a post that contains nothing but similar statements, a truthseer would be very unwise to select it as it would give them no information about the game whatsoever. (FAQ quote)

That said this is correct.

I'm fine with votes. Maybe a few more and.........


Just because as I feared this one role is dominating chat when will his/her leads be worth revealing? How many confirmed town = a scum find in your mind.
Feel free to ask about the dots. The answer is every bit of a smart ass tone as their insinuation is just because of the tangents we are going on.

[FM FalseTruth]

FM Gerik

ozzy is most likey town, false is probably scum with gerik

"Probably" meaning not at all.

[FM Clawtrocity]

I am part of the gaang

[FM Yayap]

Truthseeing detects whether or not there are any lies within a given post and only receives a yes or no confirmation from the hosts ("Yes, there is a lie somewhere in the post" or "No, the entire post is true"). As such, if that statement (or a similar statement with no/impossible to determine truth value) is in a larger post, it will be ignored and the truth seeing will assess whether or there are any lies in the remainder of the post. If there is a post that contains nothing but similar statements, a truthseer would be very unwise to select it as it would give them no information about the game whatsoever. (FAQ quote)

That said this is correct.

I'm fine with votes. Maybe a few more and.........


Just because as I feared this one role is dominating chat when will his/her leads be worth revealing? How many confirmed town = a scum find in your mind.
Feel free to ask about the dots. The answer is every bit of a smart ass tone as their insinuation is just because of the tangents we are going on.

Turn toph into a sheriff by posting the exact phrase with no ambiguity. Then it won't have to dominate day chat.

[FM Ozymandias]

Gerik, Ozy might be anal scum, but still, it wouldn't hurt to make the post. Don't do it for him, do it for Town.

In the car on my phone, apologies for typos.

Never asked him to do it for me. That's why it cracks me up that he wants to "scumhunt" but refuses to help town via Toph post. Day 1 scumhunting is dumb because there is no info. And yet, hilariously, despite the fact that he insists I am not scumhunting, his refusal to make that post tells me far more about him than my listmaking tells everyone else about me.

Just to be clear (to everyone, not just Garik - clarified since he's taking this Toph thing so personally), not doing the Toph post hurts the Town in two distinct ways.

First, if you are indeed Town and don't do it, you bring suspicion on yourself, detracting from search for scum and risking a mislynch on a town role.

Second, you lower the pool of posts the Truthseer can pick from and thus risk allowing scum to find and eliminate Truthseer via roles like Mass Murderer or Tracker.

Speaking of asking hosts, someone on a compy with better access to bbcode should ask if Toph's night action 'visits' the person who posts so as to confirm the above. If no one else does before I get back on with my lappy, then I will tonight.

Crim, appreciate the vote of confidence, but it's wiser to reserve judgement or declerations of innocence or guilt until after day 1. For all you know, I'm a clever scum. And Gerik's scummimess may be a function of many things - even simple inexperience. We'll know more tomorrow no doubt.

[FM Ozymandias]

Truthseeing detects whether or not there are any lies within a given post and only receives a yes or no confirmation from the hosts ("Yes, there is a lie somewhere in the post" or "No, the entire post is true"). As such, if that statement (or a similar statement with no/impossible to determine truth value) is in a larger post, it will be ignored and the truth seeing will assess whether or there are any lies in the remainder of the post. If there is a post that contains nothing but similar statements, a truthseer would be very unwise to select it as it would give them no information about the game whatsoever. (FAQ quote)

That said this is correct.

I'm fine with votes. Maybe a few more and.........


Just because as I feared this one role is dominating chat when will his/her leads be worth revealing? How many confirmed town = a scum find in your mind.
Feel free to ask about the dots. The answer is every bit of a smart ass tone as their insinuation is just because of the tangents we are going on.

Self fulfilling prophecy - you feared it would dominate chat, and by your refusal to do it, it dominates chat. Everyone just post the damn thing and we can move on. You put too much faith in your magical ability to intuit scum day 1 with no leads based on grammar. Don't let your ego derail the chat please.

[FM Auckmid]

Hosts, could you put the links for the profiles in the day start post pls?

[FM Clawtrocity]

Sorry for my not quite right gaang post. I was tr ying to be more specific

[FM Crimson]

Crim, appreciate the vote of confidence, but it's wiser to reserve judgement or declerations of innocence or guilt until after day 1. For all you know, I'm a clever scum. And Gerik's scummimess may be a function of many things - even simple inexperience. We'll know more tomorrow no doubt.

This only reinforces my town read on you.

By the way gerik is speaking she is obviously not a newbie. You have also pointed out that he has yet to do the activity and is trying to control the discussion in a manner that fits their narrative.

If gerik think some claim is going to save them they better claim now cuz im not into buying the "i'm ok with votes on me" shit or the "i'm hinting soft claims"

You either speak up and talk or you shut up and eat rope

mods if a post is quoted and toph checks it, does it count?

EX
/post

i am town
/post

would it truth see the quoted for player or the person who quoted it?

[FM Yayap]

And Gerik's scummimess may be a function of many things - even simple inexperience. We'll know more tomorrow no doubt.

In my book, (Gerik) being anti town doesn't necessarily equal scummy. Can you please go into more detail why you view Gerik as scummy?

[FM Yayap]

This only reinforces my town read on you.

By the way gerik is speaking she is obviously not a newbie. You have also pointed out that he has yet to do the activity and is trying to control the discussion in a manner that fits their narrative.

If gerik think some claim is going to save them they better claim now cuz im not into buying the "i'm ok with votes on me" shit or the "i'm hinting soft claims"

You either speak up and talk or you shut up and eat rope

mods if a post is quoted and toph checks it, does it count?

EX
/post

/post

would it truth see the quoted for player or the person who quoted it?

Oh shit. Based on truth seeing description I think it would be for the player quoted.

Very good catch, Crimson seeming exceptionally town.

[FM Ozymandias]

In my book, (Gerik) being anti town doesn't necessarily equal scummy. Can you please go into more detail why you view Gerik as scummy?

I'll do a full write up of all his posts with quotes when I'm on my laptop again. Sticking to shorter posts and no bb code cause phone.

But it really doesn't matter on day 1. I could analyze any post as anti or pro town and make my own narrative. Without leads, it means nothing. Day 1 scumhunting is dumb for that reason. Gerik could be doing some idiot Claw gambit because he thinks he's hot shit, and only wind up derailimg the game. That's most likely theory now that I think about it.

[FM Yayap]

Based on quoting posts, we can possibly confirm more than one player as town at once OR figure out that there is a scum within a smaller group of people.

This is like some other pre-existing FM role so I don't think it's game breaking or anything and therefore should be allowed.

[FM Yayap]

This is even more of a reason for people to post that they are a member of the Gaang, no alterations or exceptions. I'm getting a huge role usage boner here.

[FM MrSmarter]

Based on quoting posts, we can possibly confirm more than one player as town at once OR figure out that there is a scum within a smaller group of people.

This is like some other pre-existing FM role so I don't think it's game breaking or anything and therefore should be allowed.

I say be careful though when doing this. If you have 3 quotes and a 1 quoter and toph checks the post then there could be 2 scum in the group and all we know is that one of them is scum. They could potentially hide one of them in that post.
Although since we don't know how the role truly works if it even effects quotes everyone should still keep on posting they are a member of the Gaang.

[FM Clawtrocity]

Voting gerik because of his refusal to change his statement

fm gerik

[FM Ozymandias]

I understand that Truthseer can't be manipulated by Witch since it targets posts, but does Truthseer's selection cause visitation? I.e. would a Lookout/Detective/Tracker see Truthseer visiting the person who posted whatever post Toph selects?

If so, that makes checking a large quote a risky gambit for Toph.

[FM Goonswarm]

Woke up, saw suspicion on people who detracted from "I am part of the Gaang" post. Didn't care too much.

Also saw suspicion on the one with the list because "It's an easy way for scum to look town."

Gerik and Crimson, you two need to get Avatars. I would hate to see an active player get modkilled/replaced over something so insignificant. I am sure you will get a warning about it before the action. But still.

Speaking of lists, Who all hasn't posted yet? I am too lazy to make a list xD

[FM Clawtrocity]

Also for tomorrow and any other days. Be sure to post feedback claims and shit in one post

[FM Clawtrocity]

Unfortunately for the holidays i dont have access to a computer. Im doing my best to remain active via mobile

[FM Ozymandias]

Woke up, saw suspicion on people who detracted from "I am part of the Gaang" post. Didn't care too much.

Also saw suspicion on the one with the list because "It's an easy way for scum to look town."

Gerik and Crimson, you two need to get Avatars. I would hate to see an active player get modkilled/replaced over something so insignificant. I am sure you will get a warning about it before the action. But still.

Speaking of lists, Who all hasn't posted yet? I am too lazy to make a list xD

I'm on my phone, so I can't update. I think the last lzist was page 5 and only a couple people need to be added.

[FM Goonswarm]

Ahh I see. Then I am sure the host will be understanding. Be back in a bit.

[FM Clawtrocity]

This might be a bad idea, but should people volunteer to get visited? It'd give the day town more control over what citizens get promoted and how we can direct their actions

[FM philie]

This might be a bad idea, but should people volunteer to get visited? It'd give the day town more control over what citizens get promoted and how we can direct their actions

No. Because of numerous night actions that can intercept/interrupt this.

[FM MrSmarter]

This might be a bad idea, but should people volunteer to get visited? It'd give the day town more control over what citizens get promoted and how we can direct their actions

Very bad idea because one people have to claim citizen which narrows down the power roles and 2 there is a mass murderer so once any of the original power roles dies, he can spree and whichever house the town sends him to. So no we are not guiding the avatar.

[FM philie]

Youself could always send a message to the host asking if them could put a picture onto your profile for youself.

[FM Goonswarm]

Very bad idea because one people have to claim citizen which narrows down the power roles and 2 there is a mass murderer so once any of the original power roles dies, he can spree and whichever house the town sends him to. So no we are not guiding the avatar.

This. Guiding PR in general is a bad idea. Gives scum additional information to work off of. Just let the PR do their thing and we will do our best at scumhunting.

[FM Yayap]

I understand that Truthseer can't be manipulated by Witch since it targets posts, but does Truthseer's selection cause visitation? I.e. would a Lookout/Detective/Tracker see Truthseer visiting the person who posted whatever post Toph selects?

If so, that makes checking a large quote a risky gambit for Toph.

If lots of people post large quotes Toph can choose among them.

[FM monster]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Yayap]

Links to player profiles for your ease of reviewing.

FM AscendedOne - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14640
FM Auckmid - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14641
FM Clawtrocity - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14642
FM Crimson - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14643
FM divemaster127 - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14644
FM FalseTruth - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14645
FM Ganondorf - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14646
FM Gerik - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14647
FM Goonswarm - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14648
FM Illidan - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14649
FM McPwnage - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14650
FM MileS - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14651
FM monster - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14652
FM MrSmarter - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14653
FM Narks - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14654
FM NorthStar - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14655
FM oops_ur_dead - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14656
FM Ozymandias - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14657
FM philie - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14658
FM Procyon - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14659
FM Raiden - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14660
FM Rumpel - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14661
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14662
FM Severn - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14663
FM Slaol - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14664
FM Spy - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14665
FM TheJackofSpades - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14666
FM vornksr - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14667
FM Yayap - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14668
FM Zack - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14669

[Slaol]

Links to player profiles for your ease of reviewing.

FM AscendedOne - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14640
FM Auckmid - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14641
FM Clawtrocity - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14642
FM Crimson - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14643
FM divemaster127 - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14644
FM FalseTruth - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14645
FM Ganondorf - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14646
FM Gerik - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14647
FM Goonswarm - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14648
FM Illidan - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14649
FM McPwnage - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14650
FM MileS - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14651
FM monster - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14652
FM MrSmarter - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14653
FM Narks - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14654
FM NorthStar - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14655
FM oops_ur_dead - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14656
FM Ozymandias - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14657
FM philie - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14658
FM Procyon - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14659
FM Raiden - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14660
FM Rumpel - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14661
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14662
FM Severn - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14663
FM Slaol - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14664
FM Spy - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14665
FM TheJackofSpades - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14666
FM vornksr - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14667
FM Yayap - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14668
FM Zack - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/14669

As asked I'll put these in the start post later when I'm at a computer

[Slaol]

I understand that Truthseer can't be manipulated by Witch since it targets posts, but does Truthseer's selection cause visitation? I.e. would a Lookout/Detective/Tracker see Truthseer visiting the person who posted whatever post Toph selects?

If so, that makes checking a large quote a risky gambit for Toph.

No visitation

[Slaol]

This only reinforces my town read on you.

By the way gerik is speaking she is obviously not a newbie. You have also pointed out that he has yet to do the activity and is trying to control the discussion in a manner that fits their narrative.

If gerik think some claim is going to save them they better claim now cuz im not into buying the "i'm ok with votes on me" shit or the "i'm hinting soft claims"

You either speak up and talk or you shut up and eat rope

mods if a post is quoted and toph checks it, does it count?

EX
/post

/post

would it truth see the quoted for player or the person who quoted it?

It selects a post by a player. Thus the quote is not a statement by the player in that post, unless of course the person quoted themselves.

[FM Goonswarm]

Yeah that makes sense. I figured it would work in that way.

[FM oops_ur_dead]

I am part of the gaang.

[FM oops_ur_dead]

Happy? Jeez

I think mcsmarter and ganondorf are both scum.

Ganondorf entered the game with an agenda.
Mcsmarter chainsaw defended him.

[FM MrSmarter]

Happy? Jeez

I think mcsmarter and ganondorf are both scum.

Ganondorf entered the game with an agenda.
Mcsmarter chainsaw defended him.

Explain why you think I am defending Ganondorf. I don't agree with him willing to lynch a lurker today.

[FM Goonswarm]

Ganondorf quick randomed McSmarter. Just saying. I am also annoyed at those who posted a "hi everyone" post and left.

[FM Goonswarm]

Im gonna be afk for the next few hours. I wanna see those who already posted come back and talk more. I'll have popcorn.

[FM Ozymandias]

I am also annoyed at those who posted a "hi everyone" post and left.

I have it on good authority that those same people kick puppies.

[FM Ozymandias]

Happy? Jeez

I won't be happy till every scum role is DEAD. :'(

Updated list, now that I'm at the airport. If I have inflight wifi after my connection, I'll be on again. Otherwise, see everyone tomorrow.


Players who have posted for Toph:


FM AscendedOne
FM Auckmid - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467667&viewfull=1#post467667))
FM Clawtrocity - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467671&viewfull=1#post467671))
FM Crimson - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467552&viewfull=1#post467552))
FM divemaster127
FM FalseTruth - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467621&viewfull=1#post467621))
FM Ganondorf
FM Gerik
FM Goonswarm - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467562&viewfull=1#post467562))
FM Illidan
FM McPwnage
FM MileS
FM monster - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467699&viewfull=1#post467699))
FM MrSmarter - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467566&viewfull=1#post467566))
FM Narks
FM NorthStar
FM oops_ur_dead - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467705&viewfull=1#post467705))
FM Ozymandias - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467637&viewfull=1#post467637))
FM philie - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467600&viewfull=1#post467600))
FM Procyon - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467564&viewfull=1#post467564))
FM Raiden
FM Rumpel - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467620&viewfull=1#post467620))
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
FM Severn
FM Slaol
FM Spy - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467559&viewfull=1#post467559))
FM TheJackofSpades
FM vornksr
FM Yayap - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467589&viewfull=1#post467589))
FM Zack

[FM Zack]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Gerik]

I'll do a full write up of all his posts with quotes when I'm on my laptop again.

I genuinely look forward to this.


This only reinforces my town read on you.

By the way gerik is speaking she is obviously not a newbie. You have also pointed out that he has yet to do the activity and is trying to control the discussion in a manner that fits their narrative.

If gerik think some claim is going to save them they better claim now cuz im not into buying the "i'm ok with votes on me" shit or the "i'm hinting soft claims"

You either speak up and talk or you shut up and eat rope
]

Can you explain what exactly is scummy about my actions?


I'm currently jumping from flight to flight and living in an airport. When I get to a computer I will get an avatar.

[FM Procyon]

Since the quoting people doesn't work, could we just get the same effect by having multiple affirmations of people being town in the same post?

EG: FM Random is part of the Gaang, FM Somethng is part of the Gaang, FM Town is part of the Gaang.

[FM Zack]

Anyways, I personally suggest against lynching day 1. We have no leads, and although there might be people who claim that we don't need leads to lynch I have noticed that without them people tend to mis-lynch more often than not. Also, it's day one, and as I said previously without leads or role claims we leave it to simple math mostly, and at the moment math is not in our favor.

Now then... I don't see any harm that can come from the Truthseer idea, yet it probably won't break the game like some might think. He can only check one a night, and as such we will get results very slowly. Even then, as the game goes on we might have much more important posts that come along that are more important than the ones we need checked. It could be a nice way to catch a scum or two though.

As for the roles... I get the feeling that we have a large amount of Citizens. I believe that most... if not all the Random Gaangs are Citizens due to the power the Avatar and Iroh have. Also, I know it's been said numerous times before but I want to emphasize this. We should not guide the PRs. Any Scum could claim Citizen and then they can get a new power, potential town cred, and they will learn the identities of either the Grand Lotus, the Avatar, or even both.

So, after saying my opinion, does anyone else have any speculation as to the roles? I didn't go too heavily into detail because it's still early, and they can easily throw us a curve ball.

[FM Ozymandias]

Since the quoting people doesn't work, could we just get the same effect by having multiple affirmations of people being town in the same post?

EG: FM Random is part of the Gaang, FM Somethng is part of the Gaang, FM Town is part of the Gaang.

My gut feeling is that GM's will say that if the poster doesn't know the truth, the statement will be ignored. Otherwise, I could just post "Gerik is Mafia" and let the Truthseer determine the result regardless of my knowledge. That seems a little OP.


I genuinely look forward to this.

Me too. :)

[FM Ganondorf]

Truthseer: (player) was lying in post (#).
Truthseer: (player) did not appear to be lying in post (#).


I think this clarifies everything.

[FM Rumpel]

11.11% chance of that paying off on the lynch. (If all the reds are active and I have a balance boner saying the hosts planned for inactive players) Bilut say they balanced it perfectly. The number remains. That suggests that you see a town life > the combined value of that 11% chance and the reference of the votes / conversation we can use as clues..

Ballzy call sir. To say the least.

explain how you count sir

9/30 = 30% simple as that

[FM Gerik]

As for the roles... I get the feeling that we have a large amount of Citizens. I believe that most... if not all the Random Gaangs are Citizens due to the power the Avatar and Iroh have. Also, I know it's been said numerous times before but I want to emphasize this. We should not guide the PRs. Any Scum could claim Citizen and then they can get a new power, potential town cred, and they will learn the identities of either the Grand Lotus, the Avatar, or even both.

So, after saying my opinion, does anyone else have any speculation as to the roles? I didn't go too heavily into detail because it's still early, and they can easily throw us a curve ball.

I agree with this. There's also probably 2 red with no special abilities. From what I understand about the 'last will' mechanic a developed citizen is much better than a standard power role. Those PR's are kind of forced to reveal at some point or take their leads to the grave like in normal games.

I would also expect to see quite a few citizen secondary roles on the PR's and probably an executioner or two.

[FM Gerik]

explain how you count sir

9/30 = 30% simple as that

Take out the red vote block. There's no way in hell reds will vote their own d1 when they can just say d1 lynches are stupid.

[FM Rumpel]

Take out the red vote block. There's no way in hell reds will vote their own d1 when they can just say d1 lynches are stupid.

no way in hell would ALL of them do that and insta appear on everyone's scumlist

also that is exactly the kind of info we'll get from a random lynch

[FM Rumpel]

Anyways, I personally suggest against lynching day 1. We have no leads, and although there might be people who claim that we don't need leads to lynch I have noticed that without them people tend to mis-lynch more often than not. Also, it's day one, and as I said previously without leads or role claims we leave it to simple math mostly, and at the moment math is not in our favor.

Now then... I don't see any harm that can come from the Truthseer idea, yet it probably won't break the game like some might think. He can only check one a night, and as such we will get results very slowly. Even then, as the game goes on we might have much more important posts that come along that are more important than the ones we need checked. It could be a nice way to catch a scum or two though.

As for the roles... I get the feeling that we have a large amount of Citizens. I believe that most... if not all the Random Gaangs are Citizens due to the power the Avatar and Iroh have. Also, I know it's been said numerous times before but I want to emphasize this. We should not guide the PRs. Any Scum could claim Citizen and then they can get a new power, potential town cred, and they will learn the identities of either the Grand Lotus, the Avatar, or even both.

So, after saying my opinion, does anyone else have any speculation as to the roles? I didn't go too heavily into detail because it's still early, and they can easily throw us a curve ball.

Ah yes, the long posts will little content

Anyone could tell that most randoms will be citizen at first glance

since I AM in favor of random lynching, let me put this out there FM Zack

[FM Goonswarm]

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[FM Procyon]

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Are you okay?

[FM Rumpel]

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.. yeah

[FM philie]

Understandable.

[FM Zack]

Ah yes, the long posts will little content

Anyone could tell that most randoms will be citizen at first glance

since I AM in favor of random lynching, let me put this out there FM Zack

Little Content? Please enlighten me.

I told people to not put much faith in the Truthseer being an instant win role, which based off the conversation a
lot of people are putting emphasis on the power of that role.

And you can't assume that people are going to know things. People are stupid more often than not, also I hadn't seen any talk about the role list potential. So I decided to ask what people thought.

As for the random lynching... I already stated my opinion. Some would say your scum for trying to lynch on a day that a town would be the most likely one to die, yet I think you're just misguided. :)

[FM Rumpel]

Little Content? Please enlighten me.

I told people to not put much faith in the Truthseer being an instant win role, which based off the conversation a
lot of people are putting emphasis on the power of that role.

And you can't assume that people are going to know things. People are stupid more often than not, also I hadn't seen any talk about the role list potential. So I decided to ask what people thought.

As for the random lynching... I already stated my opinion. Some would say your scum for trying to lynch on a day that a town would be the most likely one to die, yet I think you're just misguided. :)

don't worry I'll enlighten you

your post have lots of filler sentences telling obvious stuffs
that could be either a scumtell or just the way you talk

since I am favoring random lynching I voted you for that sole reason

now you enlighten me why did you act so defensively to a single vote

[FM Zack]

don't worry I'll enlighten you

your post have lots of filler sentences telling obvious stuffs
that could be either a scumtell or just the way you talk

since I am favoring random lynching I voted you for that sole reason

now you enlighten me why did you act so defensively to a single vote

Because not much other than that had been posted after I posted other than a strange post with random wording and numbering and reactions to that post. So I simply responded to it because I was here and I wanted to.

[FM Yayap]

FM Zack

I agree with Rumpel's reasoning. He's just so... Blendy. He reiterated the thing about directing PRs, too.

[FM Rumpel]

Because not much other than that had been posted after I posted other than a strange post with random wording and numbering and reactions to that post. So I simply responded to it because I was here and I wanted to.

sure

my vote stays on you for now

[FM Rumpel]

I genuinely look forward to this.



Can you explain what exactly is scummy about my actions?


I'm currently jumping from flight to flight and living in an airport. When I get to a computer I will get an avatar.

can you explain why you neglected to do something so simple?

[FM Crimson]

Can you explain what exactly is scummy about my actions?


Here let me break it down to simplicity:

You have yet to do "i am part of Gaang"

so it goes to 2 base things:

Your town or you're not

break it down further to the 3 simple premise:

Citizen
PR
Scum

Each case as well:

Citizen: your wasting our time by gamibiting and not just doing a simple thing that would move everything along. Also if you are the player I think you are you are wasting time and you need to shut the fuck up and quit gambiting and wasting our fucking time and just do the fuckign activity. Last game in batman shadow decided to fake claim BP and truth be told, that made more of a mess then if he were to of claimed citizen. I know gambits and if you are pulling one i will tell you now its fuckign stupid and a wast of not only mine and yours, but everyone elses.

PR: if you get to l-1 and claim you are playing suboptimally IMO. It would be easier for you to do the activity and just fade in background and continue to do everything.

Scum: self explanatory pretty much

So pick your poison.

[FM Ozymandias]

Crim stop COM hunting. >.>

[FM Yayap]

Here let me break it down to simplicity:

You have yet to do "i am part of Gaang"

so it goes to 2 base things:

Your town or you're not

break it down further to the 3 simple premise:

Citizen
PR
Scum

Each case as well:

Citizen: your wasting our time by gamibiting and not just doing a simple thing that would move everything along. Also if you are the player I think you are you are wasting time and you need to shut the fuck up and quit gambiting and wasting our fucking time and just do the fuckign activity. Last game in batman shadow decided to fake claim BP and truth be told, that made more of a mess then if he were to of claimed citizen. I know gambits and if you are pulling one i will tell you now its fuckign stupid and a wast of not only mine and yours, but everyone elses.

PR: if you get to l-1 and claim you are playing suboptimally IMO. It would be easier for you to do the activity and just fade in background and continue to do everything.

Scum: self explanatory pretty much

So pick your poison.

Isn't it easier for a PR or Scum to just claim and then blend into the background?

I think Gerik is being really anti town, but his actions don't seem to be motivated by scum at least as far as you can judge by partway through Day 1.

FM Zack, on the other hand said the sentence to blend into the background and then started reiterating things that have already been said to SEEM useful. Doesn't this seem scummy to you?

[FM Ganondorf]

Here let me break it down to simplicity:

You have yet to do "i am part of Gaang"

You are a little too reliant on Ozy's (From now on Ozzy) list. If that is your entire case it is based on a false premise.

[FM Rumpel]

You are a little too reliant on Ozy's (From now on Ozzy) list. If that is your entire case it is based on a false premise.

no I agree with him

gerik has the balls to openly neglect saying "I am part of the Gaang"

people don't do stuff like that for no reason

[FM AscendedOne]

This list of FM names pleases me

[FM AscendedOne]

That is all.

[FM Ganondorf]

I am a member of the gaang / green town

To clear up any confusion Ozzy may be causing.

[FM Crimson]

Isn't it easier for a PR or Scum to just claim and then blend into the background?

I think Gerik is being really anti town, but his actions don't seem to be motivated by scum at least as far as you can judge by partway through Day 1.

FM Zack, on the other hand said the sentence to blend into the background and then started reiterating things that have already been said to SEEM useful. Doesn't this seem scummy to you?

He should claim in his next post, I just looked back at his post and something else struck me about him.


You are a little too reliant on Ozy's (From now on Ozzy) list. If that is your entire case it is based on a false premise.

Given the fact i was the first one to suggest the idea and actually asked pre-game about that, not really

@ozy: fuck off, if i wanted to com hunt i would be more stuble. I find the use of annons and not allowing com claims to be dumb.

Annons alone i don't mind due to the fact it allows unique roles and setups (like this) but not allowing us to com claim or hunt openly is annoying. If i truly wanted to com hunt i would be more stuble. I really don't care about hiding who i am either. So really you need to shut up. Your lucky im being more reserved at the moment and not going full blown anti-town mode like i normally do

[FM Ozymandias]

My flight home is about to board, but I have some free wifi. Here's a different kind of list.

Total Post Tally:

FM AscendedOne - 2
FM Auckmid - 8
FM Clawtrocity - 7
FM Crimson - 6
FM divemaster127 - 3
FM FalseTruth - 8
FM Ganondorf - 6
FM Gerik - 27
FM Goonswarm - 10
FM Illidan -
FM McPwnage -
FM MileS -
FM monster - 1
FM MrSmarter - 14
FM Narks -
FM NorthStar - 1
FM oops_ur_dead - 5
FM Ozymandias - 24
FM philie - 8
FM Procyon - 7
FM Raiden - 1
FM Rumpel - 10
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha -
FM Severn -
FM Slaol -
FM Spy - 2
FM TheJackofSpades -
FM vornksr -
FM Yayap - 16
FM Zack - 4

[FM Ozymandias]

I also have every page of the FM already open, so even without inflight wifi, I can start typing up my impressions of everyone. :)

[FM Ozymandias]

Also Gerik:



Early heavy participation can mean excitement over a role. I'm getting a scum vibe. Anyone else care to analyze this play?

From page 4. Pot, meet kettle.

[FM Crimson]

Sooooo random idea:

Aang claims day 1
citizen claims day 1
aang targets citizen and appa bus drives both players
aang gets new power
???
profit!

yay or nay?

[FM AscendedOne]

Sooooo random idea:

Aang claims day 1
citizen claims day 1
aang targets citizen and appa bus drives both players
aang gets new power
???
profit!

yay or nay?

Nay

[FM Crimson]

Also i want a direct yay or nay no "its bad b/c directing PR" shit or some stupid elaboration on why its good or bad

Just direct yes or no on the idea. The last thing we need right now is another debate about directing PRs

[FM Ozymandias]

Nay. Troll day isn't for random lynches OR dumb, risky gambits.

[FM Ganondorf]

Sooooo random idea:

Aang claims day 1
citizen claims day 1
aang targets citizen and appa bus drives both players
aang gets new power
???
profit!

yay or nay?

I think the appropriate expression is NOT NO BUT HELL NO.

Too many Fire Nation roles can exploit this tactic.

[FM Crimson]

I love how i say "put yay or nay and nothing else" and the next 2 post get followed by answering it and ignoring what i asked

[FM Ozymandias]

I love how i say "put yay or nay and nothing else" and the next 2 post get followed by answering it and ignoring what i asked

I literally get off on ignoring what others say.

[FM Ganondorf]

FM Crimson

I think my vote should probably sit here.

[FM Procyon]

Nay. We don't want scum killing off Aang, or Combustion Man potentially killing him.

[FM Crimson]

Nay. We don't want scum killing off Aang, or Combustion Man potentially killing him.

Someones not reading setup.....

Aang can't die while all the other main characters are alive

@ganondorf: im fine with that

[FM Procyon]

Wow. Oops. Still, they know who he is for as soon as a main character dies.

[FM Goonswarm]

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Damn pockets

[FM Ozymandias]

I put the most relevant bit in red, but I encourage you guys to read it all. Took me a while to type up in Word (sorry for no BBCode).


I genuinely look forward to this.

Summary of posts (by player)

FM Garik:

First post was a joke about sharing host’s username. Second post was an attempt at making a Toph post, but deviated from correct/agreed upon procedure (“I am a member of the gang / green town”).

Other than that, no content-worthy posts until page 3, where he suddenly triple posts.

First he guesses about what Truthseer’s feedback is (that green town is okay) and comments that he hopes Truthseer doesn’t dominate discussion.

Then he says there’s a 3/7 chance of getting a scum role in a random lynch (actually a 4/15 chance, but I guess he includes benign neutral as scum). However, he then says that scum players generally lurk. Then he encourages pressure voting people who haven’t posted yet, but then immediately random votes FM Yayap without reasoning (Yayap had been posting quite a bit the first three pages and was encouraging people to properly do the Toph post).

Three posts after random voting Yayap without explanation (on the same page, no less), he asks, “Why the random lone votes?” – this is after Procyon and philie vote for Ganondorf and Claw respectively.

His next quote speculates about someone based on the fact that they posted “Hello” and then left. He admits in this post that he is probably “reading too much into this.”

His next post is a joke about FalseTruth’s name.

On the next page, he encourages the Avatar to read the stickies. Very pro-town! I’m sure the Avatar didn’t think of that!

Immediately after this, he says there’s an “11.11% chance of that paying off on the lynch” – referring to random lynching “no matter what” on day 1. His explanation for that number doesn’t really make sense. Note that 3/7 (his earlier guess at the odds of random lynching scum) results in a 42% chance. So the odds of successfully random lynching a scum changed by 31% between pages 3 and 4. Either that, or Garik is pulling these numbers out of his ass. Then again, I’m sure he will ask me to point out where he was being illogical once I post this (seems to be his go-to response whenever someone… points out how he was being illogical).

At this point, I ask him to properly do the Toph post. His response is:
“I Refuse. My post was sufficient in every way. Put me on your scum list.”

When I point out that the ONLY reason not to make the Toph post is that you’re scum, he responds, “Open your mind and say something outside the box.” Clearly Gerik is a bastion of logical thinking.

His next post accuses me of being scum for keeping a list of people who have made the Truthseer post and then asks if I have anything else to contribute… on day 1, when there is no possible way I could really contribute anything in terms of results (and when there have been no successful lynches to look at voting patterns). In other words, he refuses to submit to the proper Truthseer check, doesn’t think that keeping track of the people who DON’T submit to such a check it worthwhile / contributing, and ALSO thinks that guessing at people’s roles on day 1 using grammar clues IS contributing.

I’d also like to remind everyone at this point that HIS contribution up until page 3 were an incorrectly done Toph post and a bunch of jokes.

After accusing me of being scum for keeping a list, he then says that “Early heavy participation can mean excitement over a role. I’m getting a scum vibe.” This is one page after he said that scum generally lurk (so another contradiction), and is meant to throw shade at me for posting too much… even though we are roughly tied for posts at this point (he is slightly ahead) and he will go on to be more active than anyone else until page 9. Also, he and I are the only people with 20+ posts, and the next closest person is FM Yayap at 16.

So… Early on, Gerik says scum lurk, but random votes the third most active person. He later decides that scum post heavily, but then is the heaviest poster. He changes his statistics on how likely a good outcome from a random lynch is from 42% to 11%. And he tries to FOS me after I ask him to properly do a Truthseer post. He posts early on that he doesn’t want the Truthseer issue to dominate day chat, but then refuses to post the Truthseer check (and argues about it with everyone) FOR 6 PAGES (and counting).

When his various inconsistencies are pointed out to him, he asks me to “Explain the logic behind your vote” (I have pressure voted him at this point – end of page 4). Note that MULTIPLE people have agreed with me that it’s suspicious if anyone doesn’t make the Toph post.

So then. Onto page 5.

When I explain my vote for him (“I voted you because so far, your posts aren't really that logical. You seem to be pushing for a lynch (or at least stirring up trouble) on a day when doing so doesn't really add anything to the game (other than confusion). And to top it off, you still refuse to post six words that would allow a town power role to clear you. All that adds up to a pressure vote which I'll gladly rescind if you simply take five seconds to, to quote Varrick, "do the thing" that everyone else is doing - make the proper Toph post. And record keeping maintains organization and facilitates communication (and clarity) for town. Plus, I like making lists.”) he responds by refusing AGAIN, saying that my answer to the question “explain your vote” is a “dodge” (the answer above that, as you can see, explains pretty clearly why I voted for him), again says the list is a scummy tactic that I’m using to appear to be pro-town, then says I haven’t pointed out any logical flaws in his posts or done any scum hunting.

Hopefully this post can change his mind.

As soon as MrSmarter mentions that list “have generally been a scum tactic,” Gerik tells him that he “came to play ball” and tries, again, to push suspicion on me (encouraging Smarter to change his vote from a lurker to “someone who participates”). Again, the irony being that Gerik has participated more than anyone at this point (in fact, he has a clear lead on me at this point, and I won’t catch up in terms of post-count until page 9 or so).

Gerik at this point says we should be on the lookout for a “mild participator.” Not 100% on what that means – I guess just… anyone who isn’t a lurker or the top poster? Maybe he counted his posts and realized he had been FOS’ing himself for two pages.

FalseTruth says I might be scum, but that Gerik should still do the correct Toph post. Gerik refuses. Again.

He starts to argue about Truthseeing mechanics, still refusing to do the post. He then complains that, “Just because as (sic) I feared this one role is dominating chat” – this post is met by several people pointing out that the ONLY reason it is dominating chat is because he refuses to make a simple six word post.

Then, Gerik goes silent for two pages. He comes back right after I post that I’m going to thoroughly analyze his posts to point out his logical flaws, inconsistencies, and general scumminess. He says that he genuinely is looking forward to it. Well, here you go, pal.

I just read through all 10 pages that had been posted before I left the airport (and just paid 8 bucks for an hour of inflight wifi so I could post this). I hope this 1300+ word post combing through each of your posts to explain, in great detail, all the scummy, inconsistent things you’re saying and doing satisfies you, and that you can finally post, “I am part of the Gaang” so that we can fucking move on.

I stand by what I said several times, by the way. I don’t necessarily think Gerik is Mafia/evil neutral. I think it’s likely that he’s a Citizen, has a huge ego, and is trying to pull some weird gambit that he thinks will single handedly win the game on day 1. I’ve seen this done in the past – indeed, the very first FM I played (and one of the very early FM’s on this forum) has a great example of one of these shitty, poorly executed Citizen gambits. They don’t work – they confuse the town, piss people off, make you look like scum, derail the actual mechanics and organization that town needs going into night 1, and are generally shitty ideas. So that’s a possibility for Gerik’s role – bored, egomaniacal citizen. I’d guess Jester, but I somehow can’t see a Jester pulling this sort of shit on day 1 unless they really had no desire to win (it would not surprise me if Gerik dies to the Vig/Jailor early on if he keeps this up). So that leaves scum. This was my first instinct, but I again can’t really imagine anyone playing so poorly. Maybe a first time Mafia/evil neutral panicked at the thought of being found out by a Truthseer? It’s certainly possible.

The biggest takeaway, though, is that Gerik is someone to keep an eye on. He’s not playing logically, which is going to wind up hurting town. It’d be really nice if he just made the damn Truthseer post, since I’ve spent a good chunk of my flight reading his posts now.

1600+ words. I’m out.

[FM Ganondorf]

@FM Gerik

You explained why you consider there to be 3 scum instead of 9 (Mafia voting block), but why did your reduce the number of possible lynches?

[FM Ganondorf]

@FM Gerik

You explained why you consider there to be 3 scum instead of 9 (Mafia voting block), but why did your reduce the number of possible lynches?

I think I figured it out, but still I'm coming up with 3/24 or 12.5%. Can you explain where I went wrong?

I assume you have 3/27 for 11.11%?

[FM divemaster127]

Hi again. Gandondorf, I do not believe you have explained your first post and would like you to do so to clear up confusion.

[FM divemaster127]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM Crimson]

I now have avatar.

All should change avatars to what i have and troll the mod

[FM divemaster127]

Nitpicking to the point some people are about wording for Toph posts is stupid, since it spams the thread with useless posts about the importance of not having "(town)" at the end of the statements. There is no way that small variations like this will cause any issues with the reading of the posts being changed.

[FM Goonswarm]

I now have avatar.

All should change avatars to what i have and troll the mod

Ahh the good old days

[FM monster]

I now have avatar.

All should change avatars to what i have and troll the mod

No way, I'm totally bored sick of this avatar!

[FM AscendedOne]

I love how i say "put yay or nay and nothing else" and the next 2 post get followed by answering it and ignoring what i asked

I followed your request before you even posted it. This is because I'm one of those skilled players that are so skilled that I should be killed on night 1.

[FM TheJackofSpades]

Day Ones are always so eventful... already on page 10, 198 posts in and so far nothing has happened.

[Slaol]

Player account links have been added to the day start post.

[FM TheJackofSpades]

I am part of the Gaang

[FM Yayap]

I stand by what I said several times, by the way. I don’t necessarily think Gerik is Mafia/evil neutral. I think it’s likely that he’s a Citizen, has a huge ego, and is trying to pull some weird gambit that he thinks will single handedly win the game on day 1. I’ve seen this done in the past – indeed, the very first FM I played (and one of the very early FM’s on this forum) has a great example of one of these shitty, poorly executed Citizen gambits. They don’t work – they confuse the town, piss people off, make you look like scum, derail the actual mechanics and organization that town needs going into night 1, and are generally shitty ideas. So that’s a possibility for Gerik’s role – bored, egomaniacal citizen. I’d guess Jester, but I somehow can’t see a Jester pulling this sort of shit on day 1 unless they really had no desire to win (it would not surprise me if Gerik dies to the Vig/Jailor early on if he keeps this up). So that leaves scum. This was my first instinct, but I again can’t really imagine anyone playing so poorly. Maybe a first time Mafia/evil neutral panicked at the thought of being found out by a Truthseer? It’s certainly possible.

The biggest takeaway, though, is that Gerik is someone to keep an eye on. He’s not playing logically, which is going to wind up hurting town. It’d be really nice if he just made the damn Truthseer post, since I’ve spent a good chunk of my flight reading his posts now.

1600+ words. I’m out.

I don't like Ozy in this post for the following reasons:

1. If Gerik is scum, then Gerik "not playing logically" wouldn't hurt the town. I think I detect a scumslip from Ozy.

2. Gerik's post for Toph is one of the less offensive ones out there imo. If he had a lot of extraneous words that altered the meaning of the post significantly it would be a different story.

3. So Gerik is your biggest scum suspect and you spend a great deal of time and effort to try to paint him as scum based on post analysis. However, your conclusion is that Gerik is probably a citizen!? I'm not sure why you are so tunneled on someone you believe to be a citizen.

I do think that your analysis will be very helpful if directed more effectively though. Ozy, if we ignore Gerik and Crimson for the time being, who are the next three scummiest players and why?

I'd actually like to open up this question to everyone if you have any opinions to add.

[FM Ozymandias]

Yayap, I'll have to check, but the only person who jumps out at me other than Gerik was whoever was being all buddy-buddy with me earlier. On my phone again taxing home. And my point with gerik was never that he IS scum. Just that his behavior is odd and distracting regardless of alignment. Distracting town = hurting them. I still think day 1 is always a wash in FM.

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

I am part of the Gaang.

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

Day Ones are always so eventful... already on page 10, 198 posts in and so far nothing has happened.

This seems funny to me because for Day One people have posted relatively much that we can use for future days, especially in forming reads on a few people.

[FM divemaster127]

I put the most relevant bit in red, but I encourage you guys to read it all. Took me a while to type up in Word (sorry for no BBCode).



Summary of posts (by player)

FM Garik:

First post was a joke about sharing host’s username. Second post was an attempt at making a Toph post, but deviated from correct/agreed upon procedure (“I am a member of the gang / green town”).

Other than that, no content-worthy posts until page 3, where he suddenly triple posts.

First he guesses about what Truthseer’s feedback is (that green town is okay) and comments that he hopes Truthseer doesn’t dominate discussion.

Then he says there’s a 3/7 chance of getting a scum role in a random lynch (actually a 4/15 chance, but I guess he includes benign neutral as scum). However, he then says that scum players generally lurk. Then he encourages pressure voting people who haven’t posted yet, but then immediately random votes FM Yayap without reasoning (Yayap had been posting quite a bit the first three pages and was encouraging people to properly do the Toph post).

Three posts after random voting Yayap without explanation (on the same page, no less), he asks, “Why the random lone votes?” – this is after Procyon and philie vote for Ganondorf and Claw respectively.

His next quote speculates about someone based on the fact that they posted “Hello” and then left. He admits in this post that he is probably “reading too much into this.”

His next post is a joke about FalseTruth’s name.

On the next page, he encourages the Avatar to read the stickies. Very pro-town! I’m sure the Avatar didn’t think of that!

Immediately after this, he says there’s an “11.11% chance of that paying off on the lynch” – referring to random lynching “no matter what” on day 1. His explanation for that number doesn’t really make sense. Note that 3/7 (his earlier guess at the odds of random lynching scum) results in a 42% chance. So the odds of successfully random lynching a scum changed by 31% between pages 3 and 4. Either that, or Garik is pulling these numbers out of his ass. Then again, I’m sure he will ask me to point out where he was being illogical once I post this (seems to be his go-to response whenever someone… points out how he was being illogical).

At this point, I ask him to properly do the Toph post. His response is:
“I Refuse. My post was sufficient in every way. Put me on your scum list.”

When I point out that the ONLY reason not to make the Toph post is that you’re scum, he responds, “Open your mind and say something outside the box.” Clearly Gerik is a bastion of logical thinking.

His next post accuses me of being scum for keeping a list of people who have made the Truthseer post and then asks if I have anything else to contribute… on day 1, when there is no possible way I could really contribute anything in terms of results (and when there have been no successful lynches to look at voting patterns). In other words, he refuses to submit to the proper Truthseer check, doesn’t think that keeping track of the people who DON’T submit to such a check it worthwhile / contributing, and ALSO thinks that guessing at people’s roles on day 1 using grammar clues IS contributing.

I’d also like to remind everyone at this point that HIS contribution up until page 3 were an incorrectly done Toph post and a bunch of jokes.

After accusing me of being scum for keeping a list, he then says that “Early heavy participation can mean excitement over a role. I’m getting a scum vibe.” This is one page after he said that scum generally lurk (so another contradiction), and is meant to throw shade at me for posting too much… even though we are roughly tied for posts at this point (he is slightly ahead) and he will go on to be more active than anyone else until page 9. Also, he and I are the only people with 20+ posts, and the next closest person is FM Yayap at 16.

So… Early on, Gerik says scum lurk, but random votes the third most active person. He later decides that scum post heavily, but then is the heaviest poster. He changes his statistics on how likely a good outcome from a random lynch is from 42% to 11%. And he tries to FOS me after I ask him to properly do a Truthseer post. He posts early on that he doesn’t want the Truthseer issue to dominate day chat, but then refuses to post the Truthseer check (and argues about it with everyone) FOR 6 PAGES (and counting).

When his various inconsistencies are pointed out to him, he asks me to “Explain the logic behind your vote” (I have pressure voted him at this point – end of page 4). Note that MULTIPLE people have agreed with me that it’s suspicious if anyone doesn’t make the Toph post.

So then. Onto page 5.

When I explain my vote for him (“I voted you because so far, your posts aren't really that logical. You seem to be pushing for a lynch (or at least stirring up trouble) on a day when doing so doesn't really add anything to the game (other than confusion). And to top it off, you still refuse to post six words that would allow a town power role to clear you. All that adds up to a pressure vote which I'll gladly rescind if you simply take five seconds to, to quote Varrick, "do the thing" that everyone else is doing - make the proper Toph post. And record keeping maintains organization and facilitates communication (and clarity) for town. Plus, I like making lists.”) he responds by refusing AGAIN, saying that my answer to the question “explain your vote” is a “dodge” (the answer above that, as you can see, explains pretty clearly why I voted for him), again says the list is a scummy tactic that I’m using to appear to be pro-town, then says I haven’t pointed out any logical flaws in his posts or done any scum hunting.

Hopefully this post can change his mind.

As soon as MrSmarter mentions that list “have generally been a scum tactic,” Gerik tells him that he “came to play ball” and tries, again, to push suspicion on me (encouraging Smarter to change his vote from a lurker to “someone who participates”). Again, the irony being that Gerik has participated more than anyone at this point (in fact, he has a clear lead on me at this point, and I won’t catch up in terms of post-count until page 9 or so).

Gerik at this point says we should be on the lookout for a “mild participator.” Not 100% on what that means – I guess just… anyone who isn’t a lurker or the top poster? Maybe he counted his posts and realized he had been FOS’ing himself for two pages.

FalseTruth says I might be scum, but that Gerik should still do the correct Toph post. Gerik refuses. Again.

He starts to argue about Truthseeing mechanics, still refusing to do the post. He then complains that, “Just because as (sic) I feared this one role is dominating chat” – this post is met by several people pointing out that the ONLY reason it is dominating chat is because he refuses to make a simple six word post.

Then, Gerik goes silent for two pages. He comes back right after I post that I’m going to thoroughly analyze his posts to point out his logical flaws, inconsistencies, and general scumminess. He says that he genuinely is looking forward to it. Well, here you go, pal.

I just read through all 10 pages that had been posted before I left the airport (and just paid 8 bucks for an hour of inflight wifi so I could post this). I hope this 1300+ word post combing through each of your posts to explain, in great detail, all the scummy, inconsistent things you’re saying and doing satisfies you, and that you can finally post, “I am part of the Gaang” so that we can fucking move on.

I stand by what I said several times, by the way. I don’t necessarily think Gerik is Mafia/evil neutral. I think it’s likely that he’s a Citizen, has a huge ego, and is trying to pull some weird gambit that he thinks will single handedly win the game on day 1. I’ve seen this done in the past – indeed, the very first FM I played (and one of the very early FM’s on this forum) has a great example of one of these shitty, poorly executed Citizen gambits. They don’t work – they confuse the town, piss people off, make you look like scum, derail the actual mechanics and organization that town needs going into night 1, and are generally shitty ideas. So that’s a possibility for Gerik’s role – bored, egomaniacal citizen. I’d guess Jester, but I somehow can’t see a Jester pulling this sort of shit on day 1 unless they really had no desire to win (it would not surprise me if Gerik dies to the Vig/Jailor early on if he keeps this up). So that leaves scum. This was my first instinct, but I again can’t really imagine anyone playing so poorly. Maybe a first time Mafia/evil neutral panicked at the thought of being found out by a Truthseer? It’s certainly possible.

The biggest takeaway, though, is that Gerik is someone to keep an eye on. He’s not playing logically, which is going to wind up hurting town. It’d be really nice if he just made the damn Truthseer post, since I’ve spent a good chunk of my flight reading his posts now.

1600+ words. I’m out.You do have a couple of decent points. It is unusual that Gerik would say lurkers are generally scum then vote for an active player, then say high activity is scummy (personally, I have found inactivity to be completely irrelevant to alignment) and his ability to do probability seems inconsistent. However, other then that, I disapprove of this post. Points about him "deviating" from the standard Toph format are dumb, and the amount that this post focuses on that is something I take great issue with. His initial post was perfectly clear and will only be read as truthful if he is town. While his reaction to being asked to rephrase may have been overly harsh and his continued refusal to repost the "standard" statement seems very egotistical, I also wasn't that pleased when being asked to re-post my perfectly valid Toph post because I started it with the word "Herro". I dislike it even more and start to question you when you try to twist it to seem like Gerik is refusing to make a Toph post when all he did is refuse to post the "Standard" Toph post in place of his initial Toph post which was completely valid. Examples of blowing this out of proportion...


Note that MULTIPLE people have agreed with me that it’s suspicious if anyone doesn’t make the Toph post.


And to top it off, you still refuse to post six words that would allow a town power role to clear you.


Maybe a first time Mafia/evil neutral panicked at the thought of being found out by a Truthseer?


It did occur to me around after that last point that even you may have forgotten what Gerik's post was.


I am a member of the gaang / green town

How could a non Gaang member be part of the Gaang and how could be a non town player if part of green town? It really does feel like Gerik is refusing to repost out of pride and you are refusing to let that go because of pride.

Another big issue of mine with this post is how it was quickly shown not to be a scumhunting post, as much as an overly defensive post which also had unneeded sarcastic/scathing comments as shown by thinly veiled insults.


Very pro-town! I’m sure the Avatar didn’t think of that!


Clearly Gerik is a bastion of logical thinking.


Well, here you go, pal.

All of these comments make me doubt very much your reasons for going at Gerik. They are simply there to insult out of anger instead of giving additional information.




However, despite how most of this post has just been pointing out all the flaws in your argument, it is still interesting that Gerik stated that lurkers are often scummy then later decided that posting a lot was scummy. While that may be the only good point in the entire essay, it is still a good point, and one I very much wish Gerik to answer about.

[FM vornksr]

hey guys, i see there is already a lot of controversy about the toph role. but you can now calm down since the legendary vornksr is here.
my thought on this is that you're overreacting a little. gerik is stubborn and probably town. you know you can just comply and do the thing, right? yes of course it's not necessary for its own sake, so just do it for the people who demand it, you'd do us all a favor. and guys, sure, after toph gets a lie on someone, he could claim "well it's because of the 'hello' i added in my sentence" but would anyone really buy this? (not like we couldnt just ask the host if 'hello' is a lie)
it's only d1, so i cant say you're wasting time, actually the opposite is true, i already have some interesting reads.
but everybody please stop overrating toph so much. with this strategy it's nothing more than a sheriff who can't be fooled and doesn't visit. not a 'gamebreaker' or something

that being said, i'm not particularly convinced of ozy being town. so far he hasn't really contributed anything other than his toph strategy, list and pressuring people to comply. his textwall about gerik doesn't really have much content. the text length is exagerated for this phase of the game, so it looks like he's a scum trying too hard to get towncred. it seems he's only writing it up to make gerik comply, however i think this its quite hard to believe to put so much effort into it. it's more likely he wrote this textwall and all his other efforts about his toph strategy to gain towncred, which would mean he's scum

of course this is not a solid scumread, but it's worth some pressure
FM Ozymandias

[FM vornksr]

i am part of the gaang...

[FM Rumpel]

so many walls of text tl;dr

I'm gonna man up and admit that I thought gerik's post said "I TOO, am part of the Gaang"

in this case nothing is wrong with the green town part

geez wtf are you "gerik is scum" posters thinking

[FM Rumpel]

This seems funny to me because for Day One people have posted relatively much that we can use for future days, especially in forming reads on a few people.

then why haven't you post more?

[FM Gerik]

I am part of the Gaang

[FM Rumpel]

I am part of the Gaang
best response possible

[FM Gerik]

I have a lot to respond to. For starters I refused to post because I wanted to get under ozy's skin. The way I saw it is that he was either posting that list to control it and look town (scum side) or that he is just a controlling kind of player (neutral). I drove out the point that my post was sufficient and asked for anyone to explain what possible wiggle room i could have had in that post. It gave me the read i wanted and created a somewhat valid train on me. I wanted to drag it on longer to see who would jump on the train but people are getting frustrated and that's just not fun.

[FM Gerik]

Citizen: your wasting our time by gamibiting and not just doing a simple thing that would move everything along. Also if you are the player I think you are you are wasting time and you need to shut the fuck up and quit gambiting and wasting our fucking time and just do the fuckign activity. Last game in batman shadow decided to fake claim BP and truth be told, that made more of a mess then if he were to of claimed citizen. I know gambits and if you are pulling one i will tell you now its fuckign stupid and a wast of not only mine and yours, but everyone elses.

Holy aggression. Sorry for being an egotistical bitch about it but I had my reasons. I'm just happy were not talking about sweaters.

[FM Gerik]

Then he says there’s a 3/7 chance of getting a scum role in a random lynch (actually a 4/15 chance, but I guess he includes benign neutral as scum). However, he then says that scum players generally lurk. Then he encourages pressure voting people who haven’t posted yet, but then immediately random votes FM Yayap without reasoning (Yayap had been posting quite a bit the first three pages and was encouraging people to properly do the Toph post).


On the next page, he encourages the Avatar to read the stickies. Very pro-town! I’m sure the Avatar didn’t think of that!

Immediately after this, he says there’s an “11.11% chance of that paying off on the lynch” – referring to random lynching “no matter what” on day 1. His explanation for that number doesn’t really make sense. Note that 3/7 (his earlier guess at the odds of random lynching scum) results in a 42% chance. So the odds of successfully random lynching a scum changed by 31% between pages 3 and 4. Either that, or Garik is pulling these numbers out of his ass. When I point out that the ONLY reason not to make the Toph post is that you’re scum, he responds, “Open your mind and say something outside the box.”
So… Early on, Gerik says scum lurk, but random votes the third most active person. He later decides that scum post heavily, but then is the heaviest poster. He changes his statistics on how likely a good outcome from a random lynch is from 42% to 11%. And he tries to FOS me after I ask him to properly do a Truthseer post. He posts early on that he doesn’t want the Truthseer issue to dominate day chat, but then refuses to post the Truthseer check (and argues about it with everyone) FOR 6 PAGES (and counting).

When his various inconsistencies are pointed out to him, he asks me to “Explain the logic behind your vote” (I have pressure voted him at this point – end of page 4). Note that MULTIPLE people have agreed with me that it’s suspicious if anyone doesn’t make the Toph post.

I gotta take this in chunks..

Ever pressure an afk player? Its pointless. My vote went on yayap because I wanted to see how he would react and at the time nobody had 2 votes. I want to see who jumps on potential trains early.

By telling the avatar to read the feedback role I was poking the bd concept. I know dictating PR's is bad but everyone will probably like this- If the avatar finds the bd the bd will know who he is. He can then swap the avatar with a player using the immunity like a doc. The next day he can swap himself with the avatar and the avatar can target him. This makes 2tpr confirmed to etchother as well as develops our strongest role in a way that gives scum zero information.

I m tired of beating the "vote block counts" bit so just pretend I'm too stupid to work with numbers or something. When I said to think outside the box its because you were being insanity narrow minded on the issue. My post accomplished your intent but not the way you wanted. At no point had I ever refused to allow toph to verify me.

To be fair I went out of my way to stir you up. I feel like your frustration heavily shaded these "contradictions" you are drawing out. But in a word they are only contradictions because you are destroying context.

[FM Gerik]

So then. Onto page 5.

When I explain my vote for him (“I voted you because so far, your posts aren't really that logical. You seem to be pushing for a lynch (or at least stirring up trouble) on a day when doing so doesn't really add anything to the game (other than confusion).

Hopefully this post can change his mind.

As soon as MrSmarter mentions that list “have generally been a scum tactic,” Gerik tells him that he “came to play ball” and tries, again, to push suspicion on me

Maybe he counted his posts and realized he had been FOS’ing himself for two pages.

He starts to argue about Truthseeing mechanics, still refusing to do the post. He then complains that, “Just because as (sic) I feared this one role is dominating chat” – this post is met by several people pointing out that the ONLY reason it is dominating chat is because he refuses to make a simple six word post.

Then, Gerik goes silent for two pages. He comes back right after I post that I’m going to thoroughly analyze his posts to point out his logical flaws, inconsistencies, and general scumminess. He says that he genuinely is looking forward to it. Well, here you go, pal.

1600+ words. I’m out.

Stirring the pot is a good thing. It leads to real conversation that helps scum hunt. Mechanic talk is hardly a step above worthless fluff when determining alignment. I want conflict and substance.

Posted. I dont want to ruin the experience by pissing you off for no reason.

I liked mrsmarter's tone. He is my buddy

I very literally wanted to get pressured to change the tone of the chat. I'm pretty comfortable.

It only dominated chat because players chose to act like my post would give bad feedback. No mater how many times I asked for 'how' that logical explanation was dodged.

Thank you for the post. I loved it : )

[FM Gerik]

Day Ones are always so eventful... already on page 10, 198 posts in and so far nothing has happened.

fm thejackofspades
Can you give something a little less fluffy? Do you have an opinion on anyone in that mass of posts or is there at least a few of them that stand out for either alignment to you?



I assume you have 3/27 for 11.11%?

Exactly. I have zero confidence in us hitting a red today.

I'm not all for a lynch today but I could easily be talked into one given the right situation.

[FM MrSmarter]

Sheesh looks like a lot has happened since I left. Gonna read over them.

[FM MrSmarter]

Interesting that Jackofspades and SAS.Alpha come in late make 2 posts that don't contribute at all. (1 post if you consider I am part of the Gaang not a true post)

[FM MrSmarter]

FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
I'm going to go with a vote on Alpha. He said that the later days we can form a lot of reads, but he hasn't given anything to help.
Also I want to take my vote off Rumpel because in the past pages he has become decently active and I like his posts.

[FM monster]

Hey, I came up late too, and made few posts as well. You know, everyone is busy with the New Year and so...

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

Hey, I came up late too, and made few posts as well. You know, everyone is busy with the New Year and so...

This. I only joined in today and will not be very active until Day 2. I have read everything and of course I have formed a few opinions which however are formed with the context of Gerik vs. Ozy in mind.

Gerik is a lot townier than Ozy in my notes because of their mindset shown today. Gerik's explanation of how he wanted to create conflict for Day 1 is a lot better than Ozy's tunneling on Gerik being scum-but-not-scum. In a nutshell, those are the biggest conclusions I can draw for now and I'm willing to share because they are the most obvious ones.

[FM MrSmarter]

This. I only joined in today and will not be very active until Day 2. I have read everything and of course I have formed a few opinions which however are formed with the context of Gerik vs. Ozy in mind.

Gerik is a lot townier than Ozy in my notes because of their mindset shown today. Gerik's explanation of how he wanted to create conflict for Day 1 is a lot better than Ozy's tunneling on Gerik being scum-but-not-scum. In a nutshell, those are the biggest conclusions I can draw for now and I'm willing to share because they are the most obvious ones.

Fair enough, just trying to get discussion. Not much happens around this time of day. I do agree Gerik imo is townier and I don't like how hard Ozy tunneled on Gerik. On day 1.

[FM TheJackofSpades]

[QUOTE=FM Gerik;467799]fm thejackofspades
Can you give something a little less fluffy? Do you have an opinion on anyone in that mass of posts or is there at least a few of them that stand out for either alignment to you? [QUOTE]

Making opinion based on Day One when there is zero proven evidence is just silly. I hold my judgement until something actually happens.

[FM TheJackofSpades]

fm thejackofspades
Can you give something a little less fluffy? Do you have an opinion on anyone in that mass of posts or is there at least a few of them that stand out for either alignment to you?

Making opinion based on Day One when there is zero proven evidence is just silly. I hold my judgement until something actually happens.


Correction, that is how my last post is suppose to look. Since it looks like I may have voted for myself i will
-unvote

[FM TheJackofSpades]

Interesting that Jackofspades and SAS.Alpha come in late make 2 posts that don't contribute at all. (1 post if you consider I am part of the Gaang not a true post)

Because its Day One. No one has any evidence as zero night actions have occured. I reserve my judgement until something has actually happened besides possible Jester trolling or just people posting for the sake of being bored as there is nothing else to do in game. There is zero scum hunting to be done in that.

[FM TheJackofSpades]

FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha
I'm going to go with a vote on Alpha. He said that the later days we can form a lot of reads, but he hasn't given anything to help.
Also I want to take my vote off Rumpel because in the past pages he has become decently active and I like his posts.

Well I will say this. FM MrSmarter is very quick to point the finger at other people. If I was to look further into that, it would look like he is trying to move the focus away from himself. Shady tactic. I would say that FM MrSmarter should be looked at tonight. That is, if I was to look into Day One for actually Scum Hunting, which I don't.

[FM FalseTruth]

Take out the red vote block. There's no way in hell reds will vote their own d1 when they can just say d1 lynches are stupid.

I have to disagree with this, Scum LOVE d1 lynches. I don't know the exact numbers, but in my experience scum's been d1 lynched 9% and town 91%. In some of the games I played, scum didn't even have to vote for what turned out to be a town mislynch.

If the mods are serious about replacing/modkilling the <5 posters and anyone without an avatar, then I think a d1 lynch might be too risky.

unvote - for now, at least.

Thoughts?

[FM Spy]

Back from a day of plane flying. I'll catch up and post later tonight.

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

I have to disagree with this, Scum LOVE d1 lynches. I don't know the exact numbers, but in my experience scum's been d1 lynched 9% and town 91%. In some of the games I played, scum didn't even have to vote for what turned out to be a town mislynch.

If the mods are serious about replacing/modkilling the <5 posters and anyone without an avatar, then I think a d1 lynch might be too risky.

unvote - for now, at least.

Thoughts?

Sure scum loves d1 lynches, but only if they get to lynch townies. They won't vote on their own buddies and will claim that they hate d1 lynching so they reduce the risk of getting their buddy lynched d1, which is the point Gerik was trying to make. So the probability of getting scum lynched is lowered to 3/27 or whatever the chance was.

[FM FalseTruth]

Sure scum loves d1 lynches, but only if they get to lynch townies. They won't vote on their own buddies and will claim that they hate d1 lynching so they reduce the risk of getting their buddy lynched d1, which is the point Gerik was trying to make. So the probability of getting scum lynched is lowered to 3/27 or whatever the chance was.

But scum are at a very low risk on d1. It's far more likely that town will mislynch one of their own.

Scum usually don't get lynched before d3.


So. If no one else is considering a No Lynch, then I'll vote my best guess later this Day.

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

But scum are at a very low risk on d1. It's far more likely that town will mislynch one of their own.

Scum usually don't get lynched before d3.


So. If no one else is considering a No Lynch, then I'll vote my best guess later this Day.
Yes, that is right, but how does that contradict anything anyone said that you quoted in regards to that?

[FM FalseTruth]

Yes, that is right, but how does that contradict anything anyone said that you quoted in regards to that?

The contradiction is that some believe that scum are reluctant to vote on d1. That suggests that anyone wanting a No Lynch is scum. That is an innacurate supposition. Scum love the d1 vote because it's practically certain that they'll get a townie lynched.

My thoughts are that those against a No Lynch are the scum.

I just want to see what everyone else thinks.

[FM TheJackofSpades]

My thoughts are that those against a No Lynch are the scum.

And my thoughts are those who are for a lynch with zero physical evidence and only best guesses are scum.

[FM Ganondorf]

Nice to see you everyone! I'm your host FM Ganondorf and its time to start our game of LYNCH OR NO LYNCH!

For those of you don't know this game is primarily played the very first day in EVERY sc2mafia FM! Traditionally the arguments are irrelevant and more often than not all players are arguing for the same point of view! Let us begin our exiting game of LYNCH OR NO LYNCH!

[FM Spy]

Caught up. I don't see a good reason to lynch anyone today, since the odds are strongly in favor of us lynching town.

I've already posted for Toph. I think Gerik is a bit scummy with his resistance, but for now I don't think it's a true scumtell.

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

The contradiction is that some believe that scum are reluctant to vote on d1. That suggests that anyone wanting a No Lynch is scum. That is an innacurate supposition. Scum love the d1 vote because it's practically certain that they'll get a townie lynched.

My thoughts are that those against a No Lynch are the scum.

I just want to see what everyone else thinks.
But we didn't say scum are reluctant to vote. We said they would pretend to be against votes if we start voting a scum player. Of course, this line of thinking leads to the conclusion that these players are scum, but it disregards town players who might be against the idea of D1 lynching. People who are against No Lynches being scum is not something I agree with, mostly because lynching is the only tool the town has during the day we can actively use. If we don't lynch today then the question is: When do we start voting? When it's more probable to lynch a scum than a town? Bad line of thinking if you ask me.

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

I have to add that I do see why lynching today can be a bad idea, but if we get a good read on some scum that might be slipping then I don't see a reason not to vote.

[FM FalseTruth]

I have to add that I do see why lynching today can be a bad idea, but if we get a good read on some scum that might be slipping then I don't see a reason not to vote.

Well, yeah, if someone suddenly goes all obvscum, he gets lynched. I don't see that happening between now and tomorrow night though.

[FM Ozymandias]

geez wtf are you "gerik is scum" posters thinking

See: massive wall of text if you want to know what I was thinking. Mostly the bits where he said he wasn't being illogical / contradicting himself, when he very definitely was.


All of these comments make me doubt very much your reasons for going at Gerik. They are simply there to insult out of anger instead of giving additional information.

Eh; I was a bit annoyed. Part of it was being in an airport/plane for about 12 hours yesterday coupled with his stubborn refusal.


I am part of the Gaang

Sweet relief!

Well, I'm satisfied (for now): I'll unvote.


To be fair I went out of my way to stir you up. I feel like your frustration heavily shaded these "contradictions" you are drawing out. But in a word they are only contradictions because you are destroying context.

Eh; I'm not really destroying much in the way on context for those bits. You were constantly flip flopping on the high activity / low activity / "medium activity" and your statistics for a random lynch.


To be fair I went out of my way to stir you up.

It worked! xD

I'll buy that as a reason for the trolly vibe you gave off yesterday, but only because it's day 1. Please, please, pretty please don't do that once we start getting, you know, real information and results.


of course this is not a solid scumread, but it's worth some pressure
FM Ozymandias

Adorable! But a bit late to the party, no? Why spend all the effort on the Truthseer stuff (a method that turns Truthseer into a Sheriff) if it would only bite me in the ass as scum? Further reinforces my thoughts on day 1 - finding scum based on grammar or who keeps a list doesn't work.

[FM Ozymandias]

Making opinion based on Day One when there is zero proven evidence is just silly. I hold my judgement until something actually happens.


And my thoughts are those who are for a lynch with zero physical evidence and only best guesses are scum.

This guy's got the right idea.

This guy (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=681765) not so much. Hey Monster, why are you treading water? Join the actual conversation!

[FM Ozymandias]

@ozy: fuck off, if i wanted to com hunt i would be more stuble. I find the use of annons and not allowing com claims to be dumb.

Annons alone i don't mind due to the fact it allows unique roles and setups (like this) but not allowing us to com claim or hunt openly is annoying. If i truly wanted to com hunt i would be more stuble. I really don't care about hiding who i am either. So really you need to shut up. Your lucky im being more reserved at the moment and not going full blown anti-town mode like i normally do

Holy shit! How did I miss this gem when I was going through last night? Damn Crim, why you so scary?

[FM FalseTruth]

@Ozy - your this guy link doesn't work for me. Do you have a post #?

[FM Ozymandias]

@Ozy - your this guy link doesn't work for me. Do you have a post #?

It's a link to Monster's post history. 3 posts - Toph post and then two random, non-FM related fluff posts. So enough to not be modkilled but not enough to, you know, contribute anything of substance or call attention to himself.

And list time!


Players who have posted for Toph:


FM AscendedOne
FM Auckmid - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467667&viewfull=1#post467667))
FM Clawtrocity - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467671&viewfull=1#post467671))
FM Crimson - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467552&viewfull=1#post467552))
FM divemaster127 - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467768&viewfull=1#post467768))
FM FalseTruth - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467621&viewfull=1#post467621))
FM Ganondorf
FM Gerik - YES, YES, OH GOD YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467791&viewfull=1#post467791))
FM Goonswarm - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467562&viewfull=1#post467562))
FM Illidan
FM McPwnage
FM MileS
FM monster - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467699&viewfull=1#post467699))
FM MrSmarter - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467566&viewfull=1#post467566))
FM Narks
FM NorthStar
FM oops_ur_dead - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467705&viewfull=1#post467705))
FM Ozymandias - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467637&viewfull=1#post467637))
FM philie - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467600&viewfull=1#post467600))
FM Procyon - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467564&viewfull=1#post467564))
FM Raiden
FM Rumpel - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467620&viewfull=1#post467620))
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467783&viewfull=1#post467783))
FM Severn
FM Slaol
FM Spy - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467559&viewfull=1#post467559))
FM TheJackofSpades - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467777&viewfull=1#post467777))
FM vornksr - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467788&viewfull=1#post467788))
FM Yayap - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467589&viewfull=1#post467589))
FM Zack - YES (link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/29516-Day-One-The-Awakening?p=467714&viewfull=1#post467714))



Total Post Tally:

FM AscendedOne - 4
FM Auckmid - 8
FM Clawtrocity - 7
FM Crimson - 11
FM divemaster127 - 7
FM FalseTruth - 12
FM Ganondorf - 11
FM Gerik - 33
FM Goonswarm - 12
FM Illidan -
FM McPwnage -
FM MileS -
FM monster - 3
FM MrSmarter - 18
FM Narks -
FM NorthStar - 1
FM oops_ur_dead - 5
FM Ozymandias - 34
FM philie - 8
FM Procyon - 9
FM Raiden - 1
FM Rumpel - 13
FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha - 7
FM Severn -
FM Slaol -
FM Spy - 4
FM TheJackofSpades - 7
FM vornksr - 2
FM Yayap - 17
FM Zack - 4

[FM Ozymandias]

Also, there's bbcode for unvote in case you guys didn't know. Couldn't help but notice that a few people used red color or vote tags instead of the proper bbcode. It's: [ unvote]any text[/unvote ] but with no spaces.

[FM Procyon]

Let's see if my vote works correctly this time.

- vote FM Monster

[FM Procyon]

Lets retry that

FM Monster

[Slaol]

Proper vote format is

FM Player

or

[FM Yayap]

The contradiction is that some believe that scum are reluctant to vote on d1. That suggests that anyone wanting a No Lynch is scum. That is an innacurate supposition. Scum love the d1 vote because it's practically certain that they'll get a townie lynched.

My thoughts are that those against a No Lynch are the scum.

I just want to see what everyone else thinks.

My opinion is that although there may be a higher random likelihood to lynch town on Day 1, a Day 1 lynch is good for the following reasons:

1. Some townies are lynchbait and it's useful to re-evaluate the train to see who pushes the low hanging fruit.

2. If there is no threat to actually following through with a lynch, then pressure is basically useless. Pressure is good to get people to participate and generate situations that people can formulate opinions on.

3. Sometimes scum actually do slip up on Day 1, and a scum teammate will in some instances be absolutely sure to hop on their buddy's train to avoid getting caught in vote analysis. I think the percentage is higher than people are assuming.

Just my $0.02.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Small Announcement

I have updated the possible roles page to include all town RP names. Nothing has actually changed gameplay-wise, but now it is clearer what RP names exist for the purposes of certain win conditions that are based on the RP names of certain players. RP names are secret and will only be revealed upon death, with the exception of the Neutral Evils who know their RP name from the start so they can work toward their respective win conditions. Though some others might be able to guess what theirs is based on certain guaranteed roles in the setup (ie. Aang and Iroh)

I have also now put each factions roles in a separate spoiler tag to make browsing easier. I was already getting tired of scrolling through it and I don't even have to check it very often.

/end announcement

As you were.