Day III: Shinra's Reaction

[Raiden]

Forum Mafia VII - Day III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAV3_CgdpTY#ws)

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Another night passed, the anxiety of the citizens rose as the dawn was drawing near. They know all too well that the death of Scarlet would not have stopped the Shinra... more likely it angered them like an animal who has just been wounded, while all the other enemies of Midgar were certainly awaiting for an opportunity like this.

A moment after the first ray of sunlight hit the ground, the crowd started to fill Sector 8’s Main Square. No one of them could say he was surprised, when they realized two less people were present at the meeting.

The body of Erika was found nearby, impaled in a fashion similar to that they had seen the day before. People close to Erika knew she had never been a fighter, although it looked like she managed to put up some resistance. How could a lowly human stand a match, even if briefly, against the legendary SOLDIER? The answer became clear as soon as they looked more closely at Erika’s body. Her limbs were freakishly mutated, her eyes sending out beams of unnatural red light. She had been injected with Jenova cells recently.

In his crave for new souls, Sephiroth had left another note, written with the blood of his most recent victim:


Your souls gather, and fuel my strength. In this world I am the harbinger of all. Fiona, remember your place as none can withstand my will. Cloud fell to my blade, as Erika has fallen. Reborn inside me, they gather waiting to be unleashed. Vengeance eternal, no protection will save Shawna and all that rally to her call. To the one who may answer my call, my legacy eternal, you need only look to me and this world will be ours, a entity of perfection no student could fail under.


My fellow subjects, I will this. Know Janice is not what she would have you believe. Follow George, his interests serve my own.

You have been warned.

A cold shiver ran down everyone’s spine.

After they had regained control of their emotions, the citizens proceeded to search Erika’s house for clues. Countless pictures and pieces of paper were affixed on the walls, each containing details and notes about anything relevant that happened in Midgar in the recent past. They also found magnifying glasses, blood detection sprays and other similar tools in her study. Erika was certainly an investigator, at least before Professor Hojo had turned her into a mindless monster.

The searching group had a very hard time finding Riley’s body, for it had been hidden in the strangest of places. After several hours of fruitless roaming, a homeless old man directed them at the Mako Reactor of Sector 6, blathering something about three hooded figures tossing a corpse into the engine.

In fact Riley’s body, or what was left of it, was found inside the reactor, lying on the ground in a pool of Mako waste. Yet another example of the punishment inflicted to the enemies of Shinra.

Not much was found in Riley’s home, for he conducted a very simple and modest life.

Before starting the forum, a newspaper courier threw them a copy of “The Midgarian”, the local newspaper. The first page looks like this:

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Midgar Population:
Alec
Ashlyn
Barry
Carson
Connie
Deirdre
Edna
Evan
Fiona
George
Glen
Herman
Isaac
Janice
Jaret
Katherine
Lois
Lucinda
Lukas
Marc
Michael
Mya
Noelle
Omar
Peter
Rita
Shawna
Ted
Warren
Wendy
Yren



Roles:
President Shinra (Godfather)
Rufus (Consigliere)
Hidden Mafia role
Reno (Framer)
Elena (Consort)
Hidden Mafia role
Hidden Mafia role
Prof. Hojo (Cult Leader)
Sephiroth (One Winged Angel)
Yuffie (Ninja)
Hidden Benign Neutral
Cop (Sheriff)
Aeris (Doctor)
Journalist
Barrier Materia Trader (Armorsmith)
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Hidden Town Power
Cetra Ancient (Mason)
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Possible hidden roles:
Mafia: Consigliere, Consort, Disguiser, Mystify Materia Trader (Drug Dealer), Enforcer, Framer, Grave Robber, Janitor, Gunner (Mafioso).
Benign Neutral: Amnesiac, Executioner, Ghost, Jester, Student, Survivor, Witch.
Town: Bodyguard, Exit Materia Trader (Bus Driver), Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Jailor, Journalist, Investigator, Lookout, Cetra Ancient (Mason), Cop (Sheriff), Veteran, Vigilante.

1 Hidden Mafia (Red) has been accounted for.
1 Hidden Benign Neutral has been accounted for.
There has been 1 role cleaned. Therefore, there will be 1 more role in the roles list than there are players.

Some of the roles above may or may not have unique RP names. You will eventually discover them while playing.

Graveyard:
Arthur (Cloud (Amnesiac)): pierced through the chest by a thin blade and subsequently impaled on a metal pole. [Night I]
Tracy (? ? ?): ? ? ? [Night I]
Lionel (Scarlet (Gunner (Mafioso))): thrown off the roof of a tall building by the angered crowd. [Day II]
Erika (Jenova-injected Investigator): impaled near Cloud's corpse. [Night II]
Riley (Citizen): thrown into a Mako Reactor engine. [Night II]



Erika's Last Will:
Erika didn't leave a last will.

Riley's Last Will:
Write: Ok, I'm dead.
I had a very interseting first night. I had a little chat with the jailor. After he released me, someone else wanted to have fun with me as well. Good old role blocker.
Other than that, I have nothing to report. Vig cannot kill first night anyways, so I didn't mind the jailing, or rb.
And no, I was not attacked.



Day 3 will end October 24th 2011 @9 p.m. CEST (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=24+October+2011%2C+21+pm+CEST) or when a player is lynched. It will require 16 votes to lynch.

[Omar]

Omar lives to see another day.

[Glen]

Woot 2nd post.

[Omar]

Another good night, only a dead citizen. Cultist dead, cult number possibly 2. 2 kpn. Still missing kills. Wonder..

[Evan]

2 kills less than we should have and 1 neutral, 1 cult and 1 mafia dead is a pretty good start. I wonder why the kills are missing though...

[Carson]

Good morning everyone like others are pointing out we are missing kills.

[Glen]

Same I wonder. Atleast it's 2 kills less.

[Shawna]

Interesting night.
I got a innocent result last night so I won't tell you who it was unless that person gets voted up.

Also, I was not attacked last night so I'm not the missing kill.

Nice to see a cult dead, sad to see that he was an investigator. I wonder how many more detecting roles are out there among the random towns.

[Glen]

Looks like no interviews either.

[Yren]

ahahah omfg wasnt even recruited yet

why

[Ted]

There are several possibilities for the missing kills.. that being said.. Then night could of ended much worse.

[Evan]

ahahah omfg wasnt even recruited yet

why


Because there are better targets than you.

[Glen]

Nvm there was an interview, silly me.

[Raiden]

Clarification since i was asked a couple of questions about it:

Riley was killed by the Shinra.

Usually i try to make it clear in the RP whose kill it is. Shinra and Turks will share similar ways of killing, so you should rely on what it is written after the kill sequence in the RP. Or ask me.

[Herman]

Since we had a cleaned kill the previous day and a red kill today with no cleaning, we might assume that orange killed yesterday and that they have the janitor. The Janitor could have been blocked or chosen not to clean of course.

I suspect the role blockers might have some information for us. Either that or we rolled a lot of doctors.

Any heal, blocking or jail claims?

[Ted]

Things we know:

The Shinra now have two members.
- Consigliere and Godfather
- They made no kill night 1.

The Turks have four members.
-They made a kill night 1.
-They did not make a kill last night.

[Connie]

'Mornin, everyone.

[Lois]

It is possible that the Shinra's have the mighty GF, Consigliere, Janitor combo, but I doubt it. I would be more inclined to believe that the Turks killed N1, and the Shinra faction N2.

[Fiona]

Riley is with our Lord.

[Shawna]

Things we know:

The Shinra now have two members.



Shouldn't they have 3?

[Herman]

Things we know:

The Shinra now have two members.
- Consigliere and Godfather
- They made no kill night 1.

The Turks have four members.
-They made a kill night 1.
-They did not make a kill last night.


You mean three for Shinra? Or do you think the cleaned kill was on a Shinra?

[Omar]

What foolishness is this Lord you speak of, Fiona?

[Barry]

Things we know:

The Shinra now have two members.
- Consigliere and Godfather
- They made no kill night 1.

The Turks have four members.
-They made a kill night 1.
-They did not make a kill last night.


How do you know that? Shinra have three members and one of them could be a janitor. Maybe they just didn't clean the kill tonight.

[Edna]

Good day everyone, and you too Yuffie. I still believe that you are alive, so I'll keep my faith in you.

Earlier on, i said that Riley woud'n say that he was roleblocked, but now I was wrong again. He was really a Citizen - and to pretend that he was someone important he openly said that he was roleblocked. Which attracted Mafia attention.

And once again, there were 2 kills. But according to log, Riley was killed by "three hooded figures" - which can only mean Shinra.

Also, Sephiroth specifically aims for Investigators and Consiglieres, as they are the only few people who can possibly detect him. Sorry Shawna, but I don't think Sephiroth will ever kill you. You are harmless to him, from my point of view. Because certain someone blatantly said that "Erika for Consigliere."

Isn't that right, Jaret? I'm sure your saying about Erika wasn't a pure guess. You are investigator too? This is what you said on previous day:

It's not important for now.
Okay I will reveal my suspicions.
Erika for Consigliere.

And Erika died, turned out to be an Investigator. Today Jaret is still alive, but next day she may be found dead, possibly with a sword thrusted through her heart. Don't look at me like that, Yuffie - I'm sure she won't live much longer for now. She was indeed right about asking from protection. Even if she is Consigliere - she may be holding importand information for town.

[Herman]

Btw, Erika leaving no will behind as investigator could mean two things:

1)She found a town and wished to protect him from the janitor cleaning her will

2)She was culted night one. I will go with this as being more likely. I would advise going over her posts to see if anyone was interested in her in the day 1 trolling face or if she was at all protective of someone.

[Ashlyn]

This is all guessing, speculations. Can we know anything for sure? If town has a blocker he should come forward and say who he blocked these past 2 nights. Although, if the blocker is just the one on the orange team then obviously we will see no escort claims, not while the sheriff lives. The jailor should stay under the radar while the cult is at large.

And here's a question, is Shawna still a town sheriff right now? We have one dead cultist, courtesy of Sephy. But Shawna might have still been culted last night, conviniently saying she got an innocent result while not revealing who it is. Unfortunatley this is the big risk of claiming early, and I fear we lost Shawna to the cult.

Yes, that means Erika was culted night 1, that is what I believe.

[Barry]

So erika is dead after being the main one to point out the suspicous actions of Deirdre, coincidence?

also who did you invest sheriff and what result did you get?

[Glen]

Shawna couldn't have been culted if he got healed.

[Shawna]

also who did you invest sheriff and what result did you get?


Read my first post Barry.

Since I wasn't attacked last night, I don't know if a doc healed me. Doctors would prevent cult in this setup.

*Ninja'd by Glen*

[Edna]

If Shawna was healed as she suggested, then she is safe from both night kills and cult conversion. We won't know until we try to ask her first.

Erika asked Jaret on her thoughts on Deidre, so it's possible that she investigated him night one. Of course there is no proof on this, and of course Deidre isn't planning to talk about his role yet. If Erika was converted on Night 1, then cult might know who Deidre is.

[Ashlyn]

Wait, so the doctor in this setup heals and prevents culting at the same time? Thats interesting, alright then, nevermind on Shawna.

[Barry]

I read your post I just think it is in the best interest of the town to know who the innocent result was on. Also you would know if you got culted. Still looking suspciously at Dierdre but not ready to vote yet.

[Herman]

The sheriff is not a threat to the cult leader at the moment. I would suspect that Shawna is still with us.

I'm very curious about Jaret and will be going over both his and Erika's posts. The only town way he should have known Erika was an investigative role was if he was an invest. But then he wouldn't know for sure that she was consig and outing a potential invest/sheriff would be very anti town.

So why did he accuse and how did he know?

Since I suspect Erika was culted night 1 due to the lack of a last will, then when he checked her wouldn't she have shown up as culted instead of consig/invest/sheriff/exec?



Ways for scum to know Erika was invest... if Jaret was a consig or if he was a cult leader who was trying to anti buddy his own cultist. This is very speculative and probably wrong. I would be curious what George has to say on the matter unless he really has burned his notes. Was there a ninja claim by Erika that Jaret simply misread as consig?

[Raiden]

Further clarification:

The hooded figures part has nothing to do with the current number of Shinra members. Neither the president nor his followers go personally for the kill, they send lackeys. That was just RP stuff.

[Shawna]

If Shawna was healed as she suggested, then she is safe from both night kills and cult conversion. We won't know until we try to ask her first.



Stop twisting my words. I never said that I was healed. I said IF the doctor healed me.

To make things clear, I got no PMs last night about any attacks. So I DO NOT KNOW if doc was on me or not. Only the doctor would know that.
And I swear if you make the doctor reveal, I will lynch you myself Edna.

[Ted]

You are correct. I was looking at current list as total list of members. So my theory could be incorrect.

[Herman]

Vote Jaret

Jaret (1): Herman

I've been going over the posts of Erika, Jaret and Deirdre. I may still have missed something but it seems to me that Deirdre was asking questions about Jaret with the intention of seeing whether he would lie about his COM name. Erika at this point seems to have begun questioning Deirdre and turning focus more on him for really very little reason other than Deirdre wanted information about Jaret.

Since I am of the opinion that Erika was culted night I or we would have a will detailing why she was suspicious of Deirdre, I believe that Jaret is the likeliest candidate for cult leader.

[Lukas]

As do i herman.

-vote jaret

Jaret (2): Herman, Lukas

[Omar]

I shall be the official hammer when the time arrives. Never fear, for I am not afraid to be hated by the town. Someone has to do the dirty work, after all. Yes, this post is very early.

[Ted]

Things we know

The Shinra now have three members.
- Consigliere and Godfather and ???

The Turks have four members.
-Framer and Consort (1 person has been role blocked) and 2x ???

*fixed


I have updated the basic information. Theory on mafia.

With one unknown role it is possible that Red mafia could have janitor. We do know that the past two nights a kill from one mafia team has been stopped. Whether this is the same team or one of each remains to be seen.

My Theory
1. That the unknown red mafia is not a Janitor and that the Red Mafia kill was blocked night 1 (Multiple possibilities).
2. That Orange Mafia has the Janitor and kill was blocked last night.

It is possible that the same mafia team made both of these kills, and the janitor was blocked.. or chose to not use ability tonight. Just as likely the same role blocker could have stopped the orange mafia two nights in a row.

It is just as likely that the mafia team hit a player with night immunity as being blocked. Meaning the Orange mafia may know the Godfathers or Sepheroth's identities.

Just my thoughts.

[Ted]

Vote Jaret

Jaret (1): Herman

I've been going over the posts of Erika, Jaret and Deirdre. I may still have missed something but it seems to me that Deirdre was asking questions about Jaret with the intention of seeing whether he would lie about his COM name. Erika at this point seems to have begun questioning Deirdre and turning focus more on him for really very little reason other than Deirdre wanted information about Jaret.

Since I am of the opinion that Erika was culted night I or we would have a will detailing why she was suspicious of Deirdre, I believe that Jaret is the likeliest candidate for cult leader.


I agree with your analysis. I do not want to rush to hammer though. We have 7 mafia players (most likely) that would love to get this day finished early.

[Herman]

I don't want to hammer either. I want to hear from Jaret first. And from Deirdre as well since something brought his attention to Jaret.

[Shawna]

I'm curious about the death note. What do George and Janice have to do with the SK? SK has no team unless the very unlikely possibility of a student.

[Carson]

-vote jaret

I'm leaving in about 20 minutes or so and will be back on in about 2 hours if the vote is to high by the time i get back i will withdraw my vote.

[Katherine]

i see your looking for the other kill

look no further cuz i vested last night and was attacked

i dont have much time to say much else but i thought you guys should know that

[Edna]

I have came to the conclusion that Erika was culted night two - the same night she died. Keep in mind that this conclusion only based on the fact that Jaret may be investigator/consigliere. This is because culted roles appear to investigators as masons/cultists instead of their original roles. As such, the cult has NO ways of knowing who Erika did investigated first night, because they were unable to communicate to her.

So, in my theory, on night 2 Erika was culted and THEN killed by Sephiroth. Kill actions do happen after conversion action, after all.

I will be absent again for 10 more hours soon, so I'll abstain from any voting for that time, because of what happened day 2 (I voted for Warren, but later town switched for Lionel).

[Herman]

While this is possible it runs into some difficulties.

If Jaret were a townie, why would he accuse someone he had checked who showed up in the invest/consig/sheriff/exec role of SPECIFICALLY being a consig. There was no reason for him to think that Erika was not a town power. Calling out an investigative role this early is not a town move. It is either consig play or it is anti buddying play.

The second point of the difficulty is the lack of a will. If Erika was unculted she would have left a will explaining her suspicion of Deirdre. She might choose not to show her night 1 result if she thought she had found a town power certainly. But a town information role not leaving ANYthing in a will?

[Ted]

That is possible. However, where have we seen any evidence that Jaret is investigator/consiglier?

[Shawna]

I have a question for the mods.
If someone is culted and killed the same night and their will reveals info that cult wouldn't want shown, does that person have a chance to cancel his last will or would be be shown regardless?

[Illidan]

I have a question for the mods.
If someone is culted and killed the same night and their will reveals info that cult wouldn't want shown, does that person have a chance to cancel his last will or would be be shown regardless?

No, it would be shown regardless.

[Ted]

i see your looking for the other kill

look no further cuz i vested last night and was attacked

i dont have much time to say much else but i thought you guys should know that


Do you mean you recieved/used Barrier materia?

[Ted]

While this is possible it runs into some difficulties.

If Jaret were a townie, why would he accuse someone he had checked who showed up in the invest/consig/sheriff/exec role of SPECIFICALLY being a consig. There was no reason for him to think that Erika was not a town power. Calling out an investigative role this early is not a town move. It is either consig play or it is anti buddying play.

The second point of the difficulty is the lack of a will. If Erika was unculted she would have left a will explaining her suspicion of Deirdre. She might choose not to show her night 1 result if she thought she had found a town power certainly. But a town information role not leaving ANYthing in a will?


Keep in mind. That her corpse revealed a recent injection. Granted a night prior may still be considered recent. The description may of also been to make clear that she was not professor Hojo.

[Herman]

Does the rp story have anything game related to say about when a person was culted Mods?

[Raiden]

Does the rp story have anything game related to say about when a person was culted Mods?


Nope. Don't focus too much on the rp, unless it highlights something very clearly. Night 1 was just as recent as night 2.

[George]

I'm unaware of what the SK is trying to say by mentioning me. As of now we know Jaret is an investigative role. We know that the SK has successfully killed 2 times. We have 2 more nights before he can double kill so finding him is obviously our best bet. I will be at the forefront of this investigation as I search for this killer. I do not fear him because I have Barrier Materia. Not only did I receive Barrier Materia last night, but I was also role-blocked. I say this so that the Mafia that blocked me doesn't try it again. They would be better off looking for the serial killer that can murder them.

Jaret can be either Consig or Invest. It's worth it to keep him alive as long as he keeps revealing us information. We need to find the SK soon, but he's not as scary as the beast so a full on town wide role claim won't be necessary.

I want to hear why Jaret deemed it was worthy to explain what Erika was that early. We had a target that was almost lynched and he felt the need to reveal that information. Had he not done that Erika may not have been culted or killed and would still be able to help us find the SK.

-vote Jaret

[Jaret]

I see this is going to be the day of Jaret's defense.

Very well - I expected this much.

Before we go forward - FELLOW TOWN, I CAUTION YOU STRONGLY AGAINST THIS ACTION

Now, I will start answering charges. Who is first to question me?

[George]

why Jaret deemed it was worthy to explain what Erika was that early

[Herman]

The questions are all already here.

1. What role do you claim.

2. Why was Erika trying to get attention off of you?

3. Why did you accuse Erika of being the consig?

4. Can I join your cult?

[Herman]

Jaret (4): Herman, Lukas, Carson, George

[Ted]

I see some cracks in everyone's logic.

Jaret knew that Erika was an invest/consig role.... IF he was Professor Hojo.. Would he want to bring attention to himself and his new member? Especially calling her our as a Consig does not seem a wise move. It would bring 2 results.

1. Her Death
2. His death

I think our focus here needs to be reconsidered.

[Jaret]

I can answer that, George, however I am confused why none of you seem to note the clear fallacy running through these accusations.

From what, I can see, this is what you guys believe.
1. I am invest/consig
2. To find Erika, she must have been culted night 2 otherwise she would have shown as mason/cult not invest.

Therefore (in this fantasy situation). Let's say I am investigator. There is one neutral, one sheriff and one investigator accounted for. Chances are if I get a positive read on somebody, they're the confirmed consigliere.

However, what I would like you to think about is point number 2. Assume now that I am the consigliere. I don't know - do I strike you as a dumbass player? If I am consig, laying accusation on Erika as consig in day chat is tantamount to suicide as evidenced by today. Far better would have been to give the info to my buddies to kill her that night.

From an objective viewpoint (not my own), let's discuss possibilities regarding 2:

2.

[Jaret]

Oh, I see, I'm being accused of cult leader.

ROFL.

Outing my own culted investigator? Even WIFOMwise this is still insane.

[Jaret]

I nominate Ted for my lawyer.

[Ted]

Oh, I see, I'm being accused of cult leader.

ROFL.

Outing my own culted investigator? Even WIFOMwise this is still insane.


After reviewing Erika's posts I thought this was a possibility. After reviewing yours... I cannot imagine you as cult leader... It makes no sense.

[Jaret]

The questions are all already here.

1. What role do you claim.
- this is an anti-town question and you are noted in my book for it. Role-claims come at the end of defenses and only if absolutely necessary.

2. Why was Erika trying to get attention off of you?
- i am not psychic - therefore i cannot read Erika's dead mind.

3. Why did you accuse Erika of being the consig?
- funnily enough - for pro-town reasons not even suggested here.

4. Can I join your cult?
- LOL

[Herman]

It makes sense.

Note that the accusation of Erika as consig came late in the day AFTER Erika had been drawing attention away from Jaret.

If Jaret is the cult leader it makes perfect sense to do a little anti buddying on the guy who has been misdirecting for him. What other reason explains the lateness of the reveal?

Also, still no role claimed. He has only IMPLIED that he might be the consig... something the consig wouldn't do. He strongly denies being the cult leader but isn't flustered by people thinking he's the consig. Consigs have a habit of being left alive for a long time. Like Raiden and Severn.

[Jaret]

George, you are sane, please analyze Herman for me.

I am suspicious, but obviously in no position to point fingers.

[Herman]

You still haven't explained ANYTHING about why you accused Erika of being the consig. You are just redirecting on to me.

[Ted]

Herman reading the cult role card. The new cultist learns the identity of the leader, but he will not know hers until nightfall.. correct?

Erika hadn't been proved as a invest role, and the majority of the day's focus had been on Lionel. For good reason. The fact that Jaret was correct on her role is far more likely that Jaret is an Invest/Consig. However, very UNLIKELY of cult.

Also since I am leaning towards believing Jaret CAN invest roles. That would support the evidence that Erika was culted last night.

[Herman]

When I was cult in a previous game the cult night chat forum would be updated with a list of who was in the cult and what their role was at the start of the day. A cultist wouldn't have to post in night chat to reveal their role to their leader.

[Herman]

Different hosts though so it could be different now.

[Raiden]

The new cultist learns the identity of the leader, but he will not know hers until nightfall.. correct?


Cult Leader receives a pm stating the role of his newest recruit, if said recruitment is successful.

[Herman]

Jaret,

What are these, "pro town," reasons for accusing someone of being the consig right before the lynch?

Thanks for the clarification Raiden.

[George]

No smart person is accusing you of being Cult Leader. I'm accusing you of being an investigative role. Here's my dilemma with the situation. You answered my question by stating two distinctly different options. You are an investigator OR you are a consigliere. I'm mostly leaning toward Consig because of your attitude day 1. Call me stupid for analyzing day 1 chat, but it seems to me that you have been around the block a few times. You've copied the teal text from steak, the hyphens from FM3 with the german thing, and were trolling all day. This leads me to believe that you're a tenured player trying to troll his way out of death. Normally I'd be fine with this, but when I see the stupidity of what you did by calling Erika out I can only assume that you're mafia.

Investigators and Consigs are basically the only 2 roles that can assist us in defeating Sephiroth. Outing either of them without hard evidence or because "you're scared of being cleaned" is an amateur move. Why is someone that has been playing Forum mafia for awhile so bad at it? That's my next question.

Here's a quick series of events:
Night 1
Orange/Red mafia killed and cleaned someone
Riley was role blocked and Jailed
Sephiroth killed Arthur
Katherine received an armor vest
Shawna detects the Mafioso.

Night 2
Orange/Red mafia killed someone. No clean.
??? was jailed? (Possibly Tracy)
George was roleblocked
George received a vest.
Shawna detects a clean role.

Just for clarification I wanted the Mafia to ignore Shawna by calling her a Ninja. Shawna is a sheriff and should be protected with everything we've got.

I'm sorry for being sort of slow with responses I'm watching Toy Story 2 at the moment with my daughter so it's a little distracting.

[George]

??? was jailed? (Possibly Tracy)

I mean Tracy may be jailor not that Tracy was jailed.

[Ted]

I currently find George's analysis far clearer than Herman's.

[Jaret]

No smart person is accusing you of being Cult Leader. I'm accusing you of being an investigative role. Here's my dilemma with the situation. You answered my question by stating two distinctly different options. You are an investigator OR you are a consigliere. I'm mostly leaning toward Consig because of your attitude day 1. Call me stupid for analyzing day 1 chat, but it seems to me that you have been around the block a few times. You've copied the teal text from steak, the hyphens from FM3 with the german thing, and were trolling all day. This leads me to believe that you're a tenured player trying to troll his way out of death. Normally I'd be fine with this, but when I see the stupidity of what you did by calling Erika out I can only assume that you're mafia.

Investigators and Consigs are basically the only 2 roles that can assist us in defeating Sephiroth. Outing either of them without hard evidence or because "you're scared of being cleaned" is an amateur move. Why is someone that has been playing Forum mafia for awhile so bad at it? That's my next question.


Think think think. Outside the box is probably necessary.

Question the fundamentals that you are basing these assumptions on.

[Jaret]

I have two issues to deal with.

1. Surviving today.
2. Surviving tonight.

[Herman]

You're claiming Yuffie?

[Jaret]

You're claiming Yuffie?


I'm not claiming anything.

What?

[Herman]

The emphasis on surviving reminded me of Yuffie's win condition is all.

[Herman]

Can you tell us whether you fall into the simple commoner category?

That way if we still have an invest we can at least tell you don't align with my pet theory.

[Jaret]

Chances are I'll be framed if you send somebody at me now.

[Herman]

Yes but it would give a random result to an invest. The only mafia role it would give is under the godfather category. So likely as not you wouldn't show as that.

[Herman]

1/7 chance to be shown not the cult leader.

[Herman]

*doh* 6/7

[Jaret]

Agreed.

But seriously dude- I am not the cult leader.

[Jaret]

I know you are thinking wow it will be so epic if I catch the cult-leader on this 1/100,00,000 chance but this is not it.

[Herman]

So you agree that you are not in the citizen/godfather/cult leader/jester category?

[Jaret]

So you agree that you are not in the citizen/godfather/cult leader/jester category?


No, I agree that i could be framed and shown as any number of roles I am not currently accused of.

[Herman]

If you agree to say that you are not in the cit/godfather/cult leader/jester category then I will leave you alone. Forever.

[Glen]

Jaret's defense is shit, he hasn't answered any questions he just denies them.

[Warren]

-vote Herman

Jaret (4): Herman, Lukas, Carson, George
Herman (1): Warren

$ $ $ $

[Jaret]

If you agree to say that you are not in the cit/godfather/cult leader/jester category then I will leave you alone. Forever.


Flag this.

Why are you not concerned that I may be the consig?

[Herman]

Answer my one damn question and I will answer yours.

[Glen]

Why you vote Herman? >:(

[Jaret]

You are asking for a role-claim, or three of them.

I have already stated, I will NOT do this unless you convince 10 more people of my guilt.

[Ted]

I am starting to question Herman's logic as well.

[Herman]

Because I'm acting very aggressive, it is natural I will get a vote or two.

Seriously though. You don't have to claim a role. ALL you have to do Jaret is confirm that you are NOT in that investigation category.

[Herman]

You could be any of a million different roles, if you just confirm that you aren't a citizen I will be satisfied.

[Jaret]

Because I'm acting very aggressive, it is natural I will get a vote or two.

Seriously though. You don't have to claim a role. ALL you have to do Jaret is confirm that you are NOT in that investigation category.


You don't see the problem here?

[Herman]

Claim now or I will reveal my investigation results. Let's get this shit over with.

[Deirdre]

OK I'll give Jaret one more shot to claim a COM identity, then I'll release my never before seen story which explains my suspicions (and I will assume he's lying until he claims an identity)

[Jaret]

Claim now or I will reveal my investigation results. Let's get this shit over with.


Flag again.

45 hours to go and you want to "get this shit over with"? Town benefits from long days of discussion always. Therefore, I must conclude, you are not town.

[Jaret]

OK I'll give Jaret one more shot to claim a COM identity, then I'll release my never before seen story which explains my suspicions (and I will assume he's lying until he claims an identity)


I am Muso - make of it whatever you will.

I was not present for fm 3.

[Ted]

Claim now or I will reveal my investigation results. Let's get this shit over with.


Septhroth is the major threat here. There is NO reason for a town role to wish to rush through day. Especially when this is a Global game.

[Herman]

Nice misinterpretation of my words Jaret. The clear meaning is that your role claim needs to happen NOW. Last chance. I'll give you five minutes.

[Deirdre]

OK I'll give Jaret one more shot to claim a COM identity, then I'll release my never before seen story which explains my suspicions (and I will assume he's lying until he claims an identity)


I am Muso - make of it whatever you will.

I was not present for fm 3.


OK, it's about freakin' time. I saw your day 1 post with Jacques Littlefield and thought "hey, it's Muso". Then, I started to wonder why you posted that. THEN, I started to wonder if you were trying to pose as me (Ganondorf, aka the FM IV jailor Broderick)! That kind of pissed me off -.- but you didn't lie after all, and I am happy to be the only Ganondorf in town :D Ok, moving on...

[Jaret]

Nice misinterpretation of my words Jaret. The clear meaning is that your role claim needs to happen NOW. Last chance. I'll give you five minutes.


There is no investigation result that you can reveal that can harm me.

[Jaret]

OK I'll give Jaret one more shot to claim a COM identity, then I'll release my never before seen story which explains my suspicions (and I will assume he's lying until he claims an identity)


I am Muso - make of it whatever you will.

I was not present for fm 3.


OK, it's about freakin' time. I saw your day 1 post with Jacques Littlefield and thought "hey, it's Muso". Then, I started to wonder why you posted that. THEN, I started to wonder if you were trying to pose as me (Ganondorf, aka the FM IV jailor Broderick)! That kind of pissed me off -.- but you didn't lie after all, and I am happy to be the only Ganondorf in town :D Ok, moving on...


You will always be my one and only Ganondorf who on my first night of playing forum mafia jailed my virgin ass.

[Deirdre]

I hope you enjoyed your stay in the Violet Hold! We thank you for choosing Broderick's jail, and we hope you have a nice day <3

[Jaret]

I would like to preface whatever Herman is about to do with a question as to why a power role is revealing now. I am not worth it.

[Shawna]

I saw your day 1 post with Jacques Littlefield and thought "hey, it's Muso"


I'm sorry, I don't understand what just happened. What day 1 post and who is Jacques Littlefield?

[Yren]

george is sk

[Herman]

Since you won't agree to say that you are not in the cit/godfather/cult leader/jester category, I must conclude that my result was not a framed result.

So if you cit/godfather/cult leader/jester, how then did you know something about Erika's investigative role? You don't sound like a consig to me.

[Jaret]

I saw your day 1 post with Jacques Littlefield and thought "hey, it's Muso"


I'm sorry, I don't understand what just happened. What day 1 post and who is Jacques Littlefield?


FM 4. Night 1 I was jailed by Deidre who gave me a codephrase that could be used to reveal his identity in day chat.

The phrase was Jaques Littlefield.

[Herman]

george is sk


Oh hai there

[Deirdre]

OK, now it's back to business...
1) Was the newspaper article thing the journalist's report?
2) I think Herman might be a bit overenthusiastic about Ellyn... Exec maybe?
3) In FM IV, I jailed Muso N1 and told him that I would be the one to bring up Jacques Littlefield in day chat (reveal code)

[Glen]

OK, now it's back to business...
1) Was the newspaper article thing the journalist's report?

1) Yes, the newspaper article was the journalist's report, at the bottom right of the paper it says "-The Journalist- and it talks about what The Sheriff (Shawna) said and thinks.

[Yren]

jaret is jester

who guessed who investigator was

case closed

[Herman]

And we know that he's the jester... how?

[Jaret]

OK, now it's back to business...
1) Was the newspaper article thing the journalist's report?

1) Yes, the newspaper article was the journalist's report, at the bottom right of the paper it says "-The Journalist- and it talks about what The Sheriff (Shawna) said and thinks.


This is odd. When I made this role I made no provision for the Journalist to ever write a story.

2 possibilities i think:

Can we assume something prohibited the target from writing the story so the mods allowed the Journalist to instead write it?

OR: The target is trolling us by pretending to be the journalist?

[Yren]

beacuase i am always right

[Ted]

What?

The role card says the journalist will interview (talk) to target. Looks like the Host summarized it. No one is trolling or spoofing as journalist.

[Shawna]

Yes, I was the one who got interviewed. I made todays paper. I had already given out my results for day 2, so I had no extra info to share. I still don't know why the journalist picked me.

After seeing a thread about gorilla deleting Yayaps notes, I decided to troll and add it into the news. I am also the last one to send in the PM.

Sorry for delaying day 3.


The journalist did not add anything.

[Yren]

journalists journalizing journalists

[Raiden]

Clarification:

The interviewed person sent us that picture as his interview, and we posted it exactly as it was sent.

Moreover, the only possible occurrence of a journalist writing his own interview would be if another journalist targeted him. Journalist send his action at day, thus any witching/busdriving would not work in regards to interviews.

The newspaper will not be posted, however, if the journalist dies or is jailed/roleblocked during the night.

[Jaret]

Okay, I have reached some conclusions.

Herman although initially appearing to be extremely suspicious, was simply negating the Investigator/ Consig possibility because he knew what investigation category I was under. I conclude you are most likely another Investigator and I re-iterrate now it was extremely silly of you to reveal yourself for me.

No, I am not a jester. I am a CITIZEN. I trolled you all hard day 1 in the hope you would attack me and waste your kill/role blocks/ cleans on me. Then on day 2 I trolled you hard again asking for heals, etc to try and attract mafia attention.

Unfortunately, to my knowledge the scum have not visited me a single-time. Additionally now that I have been basically revealed my whole FM 7 strategy has pretty much failed hard.

Masons, if you would like to take pity me now and recruit me to your fold I will be grateful.

[Glen]

Mafia likes trolls, town dislikes trolls.

[Deirdre]

Mafia likes trolls, town dislikes trolls.


Town power roles often troll hard on day 1 in the hopes that they will survive night 1 because the mafia won't want to kill a troll

[Herman]

So you are saying you were trying to be a citizen meat shield? Using troll cover and asking for heals? That doesn't sound like a citizen but that would involve heavy wifom on my part.

If the masons are alive tomorrow I will trust that you are not the cult leader or a consig.

And yes you could still be a consig, since I was lying to get you to finally role claim.

[Herman]

And also because it was fun.

[Warren]

Kill Herman he has blonde hair!
$

[Deirdre]

Has everyone forgotten about Warren? I sure haven't...

[Shawna]

since I was lying to get you to finally role claim.


Herman, are you or are you not claiming Investigator?

[Herman]

I'm not an invest. It was a gambit because his defense was incredibly shallow to my eyes. He was basically not answering anything I asked.

[Herman]

No heals or armor need be wasted on me fyi.

[Jaret]

And yes you could still be a consig, since I was lying to get you to finally role claim.


Huh? Now you say I could still be a consig after you spent the past 3 hours negating the possibility? I am so confused by you.


So you are saying you were trying to be a citizen meat shield? Using troll cover and asking for heals? That doesn't sound like a citizen but that would involve heavy wifom on my part.


In general, if mafia aren't killing citizens they're killing town power roles. There's a chance they'll hit neutrals or other mafia but the majority of the time they'll be hitting town. As citizens it is our job to try and attract attacks by whatever means necessary. This is the pro-town way of playing citizen. The duty of a citizen is not to survival, it is to the greater good of the Town.

[Deirdre]

After some thought, I have compiled a list of roles that Warren could be:
1) Jester
2) Ghost
3) Disguiser
4) Town power role trying to stay alive
5) Narks

[Lucinda]

i see your looking for the other kill

look no further cuz i vested last night and was attacked

i dont have much time to say much else but i thought you guys should know that


Perhaps Katherine is worth looking into? Kartherine says she was attacked and vested which means she could be the SK, perhaps a survivor or gf. I don't see anyone else making any claims of being assaulted today. Are you claiming to be survivor or are you claiming to have used an armor smith vest?

[Warren]

1.) True I'm funny.
2.) True I'm scary.
3.) True I'm a spy.
4.) True I got a lot of power.
5.) Lie.

[Glen]

i see your looking for the other kill

look no further cuz i vested last night and was attacked

i dont have much time to say much else but i thought you guys should know that


Perhaps Katherine is worth looking into? Kartherine says she was attacked and vested which means she could be the SK, perhaps a survivor or gf. I don't see anyone else making any claims of being assaulted today. Are you claiming to be survivor or are you claiming to have used an armor smith vest?


No, Katherine is either survivor or citizen (Please tell us if your survivor :))) If she was GF/SK she wouldn't have revealed such information.

[Shawna]

i see your looking for the other kill

look no further cuz i vested last night and was attacked

i dont have much time to say much else but i thought you guys should know that


Perhaps Katherine is worth looking into? Kartherine says she was attacked and vested which means she could be the SK, perhaps a survivor or gf. I don't see anyone else making any claims of being assaulted today. Are you claiming to be survivor or are you claiming to have used an armor smith vest?


I was thinking that too, but I don't see an armorsmith denying that he gave Katherine Armor night 1. So I'm going to believe it for now. Unless the armorsmith comes forth and exposes himself to say that he didn't.

Armorsmith, unless you think it is more beneficial to expose yourself, stay hidden.

[Jaret]

I may as well answer why I named Erika as consig as well.

Five points.

1. I had no idea what her actual role/category was.
2. In my mind, Erika was the player who seemed genuinely the most pro-town. I trusted her and I felt certain that accusing her would never result in the town lynching her. Additionally, I thought the accusation would give her some protection because mafia tend to avoid killing players under active town suspicion.
3. Once again, I thought claiming to have investigative evidence would draw scum attention to me, especially when all the protective roles would most likely be guarding the Sheriff.
4. I did not take into consideration that my accusation could make Sephiroth gun for her. This was a terrible mistake on my part.
5. I was surprised as hell when Erika turned up investigator.

[Lucinda]

No, Katherine is either survivor or citizen (Please tell us if your survivor :))) If she was GF/SK she wouldn't have revealed such information.


Scum doesn't always do the smart thing, rumpel in mafia 3 won despite, or perhaps because he claimed he was roleblocked on a night SK didn't kill.

[Shawna]

I'm going to go read all of Erikas posts on day 2. Maybe she left a hint to who she checked.

[Herman]

If she were GF/SK she might reveal being attacked. She would like to confuse whoever attacked her into thinking that she is something else. Of course it would be very risky for her once the armorsmith and random towns have been revealed.

Jaret: That is perfectly understandable. However, if there is a mis mason tomorrow then we'll know something is up.

[Shawna]

Erika was pretty determined against Deirdre yesterday. That's the only thing I could find in her posts.

[Omar]

Omar finds some posts suspicious. Maybe later he will clarify.

[Warren]

Clarify now! We need more information.. We can't wait all the time. We need people like you and me Ombar.

$$

[Mya]

Omar finds some posts suspicious. Maybe later he will clarify.

After reading everything from today, your opinions mean little based on your action yesterday. Why did you end the day early?

[Shawna]

I think I see the same as Omar.

It wouldn't have anything to do with this would it?


Oh noes, he has two spaces after a word!

[Deirdre]

I think I see the same as Omar.

It wouldn't have anything to do with this would it?


Oh noes, he has two spaces after a word!


When was that quote from? I remember the Warren/Herman dialogue yesterday, but not that quote

[Warren]

If you see the same as Omar, there are some possibilities:
1.) You are his mafia brother.
2.) You are his cult brother.
3.) You are just looking at the same spot.
4.) You are controlling his eyes!
$

[Herman]

I think I see the same as Omar.

It wouldn't have anything to do with this would it?


Oh noes, he has two spaces after a word!


When was that quote from? I remember the Warren/Herman dialogue yesterday, but not that quote


I think it is from far later in the day than my dialogue with Warren but it is definitely in reference to it.

[Shawna]

When was that quote from? I remember the Warren/Herman dialogue yesterday, but not that quote


p40 on day 2

[Warren]

Herman, got any clues yet?

[Herman]

Yeah, I discovered I'm not actually the veteran.

[Deirdre]

Ah yes...

Omar: Keep (doublespace) the very little that i've said in mind, incoming day lock.

Herman: (see quote above)

[Omar]

Shawna is not the Sheriff.

With that being said Lionel is probably bad news. I won't go into details.

I'm ok with lynching Lionel.

-vote Lionel.

Warren ( - Janice. Edna, Barry, Carson, Lukas, Fiona, Katherine, Deirdre, Lionel
Lionel (11) - Yren, Warren, Shawna, Alec, Glenn, Wendy, Riley, Carson, Ted, Herman, George


To the people questioning my decision on Shawna.

Look at how it is turning out. Lionel is falling deeper and deeper into a hole that he can't get out of.

I'm not telling you to ignore it as it may come in handy later, but it's not as big of a deal as you are making it now.

For the 2nd time: I am not counterclaiming sheriff. There can be multiple cops unless I read the rules wrong so counterclaiming a sheriff wouldn't prove anything this early in the game anyway.

I'm just suggesting there is something bigger going on and giving armor and heals to Shawna may be a bad choice.


I'm not in any way defending Lionel, in fact I voted him after Shawna accused him. I'm just saying I don't believe Shawna got to that conclusion by way of sheriff detection.


What does he "know" that we do not. You're trying to ninja claim something.

[Warren]

Maybe he tries to ninja claim ninja?

I'm still convinced that Herman is evil!

$

[Jaret]

Did somebody just say incoming day lock?

What?

Day event is about to happen?

[Omar]

In case you are wondering, the trolling was a distraction. I am not a troll. I am a strategist.

[Omar]

No, Jaret. That was a quote of me from yesterday, somewhat.

[Herman]

Omar: He clarified that he thinks Shawna is the sheriff and that he was discrediting him in order to protect him.

Warren: Thanks buddy.

[Jaret]

Oh.

[Warren]

Jaret doesn't seem like he's a brain.

[Deirdre]

George: investigator that got non sheriff result on Shawna?
Sephiroth: trying to get us to lynch George? Also he used the word "student" in his note: I am curious now

[Jaret]

Jaret doesn't seem like he's a brain.


No u.

[Noelle]

Hello friends!

A lot to read here. Lol at the newspaper.

Herman, I personally think you're stupid for pushing Jaret like that with evidence that can't really be called sound but I'll forgive you.

Jaret, you said you were jailed? Dunno why you'd give away the jailors code so we cant prove it was really who he said he was.

I still have a feeling Erikas charge on Dierdre was fueled by more than logic now moreso I saw her flip investigator... Though how long was she a jenova slave and was that charge fueled in the cults intent?

I highly doubt Shawna is culted.

My date with Alec went well last night. ;). Thanks for asking.

I think that's all I wanted to say for now.

PS: fuck you sephiroth. Erika was hot, even with red eyes :(.


Edit cause of more posts:

I don't think we should give the SKs death note a second glance. Trying to cause needless suspicion.

[Omar]

Now that I've got your attention...



No smart person is accusing you of being Cult Leader. I'm accusing you of being an investigative role. Here's my dilemma with the situation. You answered my question by stating two distinctly different options. You are an investigator OR you are a consigliere. I'm mostly leaning toward Consig because of your attitude day 1. Call me stupid for analyzing day 1 chat, but it seems to me that you have been around the block a few times. You've copied the teal text from steak, the hyphens from FM3 with the german thing, and were trolling all day. This leads me to believe that you're a tenured player trying to troll his way out of death. Normally I'd be fine with this, but when I see the stupidity of what you did by calling Erika out I can only assume that you're mafia.

Investigators and Consigs are basically the only 2 roles that can assist us in defeating Sephiroth. Outing either of them without hard evidence or because "you're scared of being cleaned" is an amateur move. Why is someone that has been playing Forum mafia for awhile so bad at it? That's my next question.

Here's a quick series of events:
Night 1
Orange/Red mafia killed and cleaned someone
Riley was role blocked and Jailed
Sephiroth killed Arthur
Katherine received an armor vest
Shawna detects the Mafioso.

Night 2
Orange/Red mafia killed someone. No clean.
??? was jailed? (Possibly Tracy)
George was roleblocked
George received a vest.
Shawna detects a clean role.

Just for clarification I wanted the Mafia to ignore Shawna by calling her a Ninja. Shawna is a sheriff and should be protected with everything we've got.

I'm sorry for being sort of slow with responses I'm watching Toy Story 2 at the moment with my daughter so it's a little distracting.


This. I cannot find this to be true. I am roleclaiming armorsmith, and this is a violation of my trust. I have not given George a materia. Katherine indeed received a materia, as did someone else I will not name. This guy is something other than what he is wanting you to believe. I believe he did not try to distract attention away from Shawna.

[Jaret]

Jaret, you said you were jailed? Dunno why you'd give away the jailors code so we cant prove it was really who he said he was.


Noooo - I was jailed in forum mafia IV.

I have not been jailed thus far this game.

[Herman]

Thank you Omar for revealing to the mafia that Yayap has no armor.

[Warren]

Interesting Omar...

[Jaret]

Omfg.

Fail?

[Warren]

;)

[Ted]

i see your looking for the other kill

look no further cuz i vested last night and was attacked

i dont have much time to say much else but i thought you guys should know that


Perhaps Katherine is worth looking into? Kartherine says she was attacked and vested which means she could be the SK, perhaps a survivor or gf. I don't see anyone else making any claims of being assaulted today. Are you claiming to be survivor or are you claiming to have used an armor smith vest?


No, Katherine is either survivor or citizen (Please tell us if your survivor :))) If she was GF/SK she wouldn't have revealed such information.


According to role cards. Survivor is not possible.

[Omar]

Simply this: Feel free to heal me and prevent me from being culted. I felt that George claiming to receive a materia (vest) was a very...very needed reason to claim.

[Herman]

Understandable I guess but I guess I just read it as someone who thought he was drawing attention and trying not to get night killed.

On the other hand. He did claim to be role blocked.

[Noelle]

Jaret, you said you were jailed? Dunno why you'd give away the jailors code so we cant prove it was really who he said he was.


Noooo - I was jailed in forum mafia IV.

I have not been jailed thus far this game.


Okay. Thanks for clarifying. Maybe I read it wrong.




Now that I've got your attention...



No smart person is accusing you of being Cult Leader. I'm accusing you of being an investigative role. Here's my dilemma with the situation. You answered my question by stating two distinctly different options. You are an investigator OR you are a consigliere. I'm mostly leaning toward Consig because of your attitude day 1. Call me stupid for analyzing day 1 chat, but it seems to me that you have been around the block a few times. You've copied the teal text from steak, the hyphens from FM3 with the german thing, and were trolling all day. This leads me to believe that you're a tenured player trying to troll his way out of death. Normally I'd be fine with this, but when I see the stupidity of what you did by calling Erika out I can only assume that you're mafia.

Investigators and Consigs are basically the only 2 roles that can assist us in defeating Sephiroth. Outing either of them without hard evidence or because "you're scared of being cleaned" is an amateur move. Why is someone that has been playing Forum mafia for awhile so bad at it? That's my next question.

Here's a quick series of events:
Night 1
Orange/Red mafia killed and cleaned someone
Riley was role blocked and Jailed
Sephiroth killed Arthur
Katherine received an armor vest
Shawna detects the Mafioso.

Night 2
Orange/Red mafia killed someone. No clean.
??? was jailed? (Possibly Tracy)
George was roleblocked
George received a vest.
Shawna detects a clean role.

Just for clarification I wanted the Mafia to ignore Shawna by calling her a Ninja. Shawna is a sheriff and should be protected with everything we've got.

I'm sorry for being sort of slow with responses I'm watching Toy Story 2 at the moment with my daughter so it's a little distracting.


This. I cannot find this to be true. I am roleclaiming armorsmith, and this is a violation of my trust. I have not given George a materia. Katherine indeed received a materia, as did someone else I will not name. This guy is something other than what he is wanting you to believe. I believe he did not try to distract attention away from Shawna.


Well if you think it's important enough to reveal for...

-vote George

Let's get some answers

Sorry I'm on a tablet right now and can't copy paste the vote talley.

[Warren]

Noelle trust me! We need to lynch Herman not George! $

[Jaret]

That was an unnecessary reveal, Omar.

The town may have 1 doctor or even 0 doctors if the guy who was cleaned was one. Now the town has to protect you, the sheriff and god knows who else wants to reveal today.

In all likelihood, George lied so that his enemies would think he had some protection. That is not a scum move. That is a survival strategy.

[Herman]

Guys there are a lot of random towns. He either was faking that he had protection or there is simply another armorsmith.

A mafia is unlikely to lie about this with no real motive. It would draw attention to themselves.

[Lois]

I'm back!

Yesterday, the thing which I found most suspicious was Georges posts stating that Shawna was not Sherif, yet voting Lionel. Shawna is are primary Town Leader at the moment. If Shawna was Town, then you should have kept quiet and let are Leader do her leadering. If you knew Shawna was not Town, you should have done more then just vague hints, which I don't believe helps the Town, but does hurt it. Then comes the part I like least of all.


I'm just suggesting there is something bigger going on and giving armor and heals to Shawna may be a bad choice.

In this FM, Doctor heals give cult immunity, and an unculted, confirmed Cop is a huge threat to the Cult. For that reason, I think that George has the possibility of being the Cult Leader, and is a fine suspect for today.

-Vote George

[Omar]

Agreed, George should be defending himself soon.

-Vote George

..gonna bring up the vote tally in a second.

I see no reason to trust someone who uses a strategy of "throwing someone under a bus" hoping that it pulls attention away from them. All during day 2 he kept pushing for Shawna as not being the sheriff. On day 3 he totally flips around and assures everyone that Shawna is the sheriff. I see no reason to change one's mind so quickly. He then claims to have received a vest, of which I have not given. If it is a survival strategy, it's a shady one. I don't care if you think my reveal was unnecessary. Would you rather have a culted armorsmith?

[Lois]

A mafia is unlikely to lie about this with no real motive. It would draw attention to themselves.
1 word. WIFOM.

[Lucinda]

According to role cards. Survivor is not possible.




Benign Neutral: Amnesiac, Executioner, Ghost, Jester, Student, Survivor, Witch.


Excuse me? I'm pretty sure they are....

[Warren]

George - Citizen

Please keep to the masterplan.

[Lois]

And 1 more thing, Herman. You have been participating a lot in the discustion today, which is good, but I'm haveing a hard time following your solid opinions. Who are your strongest Town reads, and who are your strongest Scum reads?

[Lucinda]

-vote George

See counter claim.

[Carson]

jaret has said enough for now.

-Vote George

[Lucinda]

-vote George

See counter claim.


Err... see omar claiming he didn't give a vest to him.*

[Warren]

This is wrong guys. But I see I can't stop you :/

[Ted]

According to role cards. Survivor is not possible.




Benign Neutral: Amnesiac, Executioner, Ghost, Jester, Student, Survivor, Witch.


Excuse me? I'm pretty sure they are....


You are correct. There was just no role card for them. My mistake.

[Noelle]

Noelle trust me! We need to lynch Herman not George! $


I like you and I like your money but I must ask, seeing as we are going off nearly nothing anyway, why does Herman seem like a better interrogation choice than George?

He doubted a sheriff claim yet voted with him

He claimed a barrier yet a barriersmith steps forward and counters it while confirming the barrier claim of Kat.

Georges motives just seem unclear to me.

Even though I said not to give a damn about the SKs death note, it still perplexes me why he would call out George and tell us to follow him. My opinion isn't swayed by that note at all mind you, but more for the reasons I mentioned above... But it feels good to send a resounding fuck you to sephiroth. I do what I want.

[Omar]

Jaret (4): Herman, Lukas, Carson, George
Herman (1): Warren
George (5) Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson

[Jaret]

Just because something is unclear, doesn't mean the town has to go expose it. If George is town. This will destroy his game.

[Warren]

Just take a look at hermans posts. They are completely useless and provide zero information. I think he's just trying to distract everyone.
And I almost decrypted his code. 75%.
$

[Omar]

I've been sensing double layered wifom. I'm not about to sway my opinions on the sheer intentions of others. I want information from a pressure vote, if anything.

[Herman]

My strongest town read almost this entire game has been George. Furthermore, Yayap is cursed to never have a blatant evil role. The closest he's ever been has been student. He's not even playing like Chris from last game.

The only charge against him is that one CLAIMED armorsmith who ended the day early says he hasn't given him anything. So what?

Seriously, since when has Omar been the town leader?

[Noelle]

Just because something is unclear, doesn't mean the town has to go expose it. If George is town. This will destroy his game.


Then what do you propose the town does? Just chill and wait for a sheriff?

No. That's not the answer.

[Herman]

If I lied again and told you that I was a sheriff and that George got a clear read from me, would that do it for you?

[Lois]

Jaret [L-12(4)]: Herman, Lukas, Carson, George
Herman [L-15(1)]: Warren
George [L-11(5)] Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson
16 Vote Required to Lynch
42 Hours left in the Day

[Warren]

Warren,

Don't you thInk we should at least lay out a case for both of you before actually voting?

Checks on either of you would be pointless tonight with a framer about.

Me, for my part, am leaning slightly towards Janice merely because trolls are often townies.! !The high post count is interesting but there were many town last game that posted as much. It is more a clue to their COM name than their alignment.

Very extreme things happen when you just start up a lynch. That's why I wanted to lynch the gallows.

[Herman]

Jaret (3): Herman, Lukas, George
Herman (1): Warren
George (5) Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson

Carson doesn't have a twin.

[Omar]

Feel free to investigate me, sheriff or investigators. I have nothing to hide. The moment another person claims to be an "armorsmith" is the moment we have another lead. I highly doubt that ANYONE will counterclaim me. It would be asking for death. By acting trollish, and ending the day early, I've managed to not be targeted. Rest assured by my claim I will be targeted. It would be stupid to claim a town power role as strong as the armorsmith.

Thanks for clearing the vote tally, btw.

[Barry]

-vote george

lets hear a defence man, omar's reveal was really unnessecary. Honestly I really don't buy Jaret being a citizen, her actions really don't suggest it to be so I smelll scum afoot. It would be cool if there was more than one armoursmith in terms of george's claim of getting armour. Maybe he was just bluffing so that he didnt get attacked.

also noelle claims escort? Still think we should take the words of Lionel into account and consider her for cult.

[Jaret]

Just because something is unclear, doesn't mean the town has to go expose it. If George is town. This will destroy his game.


Then what do you propose the town does? Just chill and wait for a sheriff?

No. That's not the answer.


Get some justified suspicions first, Noelle.

You're evidence against George is:
- he lied about receiving a vest
- he states he doesn't believe Shawna is a sheriff

As if this isn't weak enough, it's not even fool proof:

Who knows? Maybe George didn't even lie about the vest. Maybe it is Omar is lying. Alternatively maybe there are two armor smiths out there.

Regardless, you seem to think it's enough to put this guy on the stand and call out his role, because that's the only place this can go. You want a role-claim from George.

[Barry]

p.s Herman's stark defence of george is suspicous, I really havn't gotten the townie vibe from him and I wouldn't go on that to make such defences.

[Omar]

I have a hard time believing that there is a second armorsmith. Having 2 roles that give out protection would imbalance the game in the town's favor, I would suspect. If George wanted to play a citizen, he should not try to send attention away from himself. Either he is a mafia, a cult, or a town PR. If he is a citizen, he's not playing as such in my eyes.

[Jaret]

God where are all the other players when you need them.

[Herman]

Barry: This is just laughable. Defense against what? There isn't really even anything to defend against here.

Omar: No, it really wouldn't unbalance the game. A random armor smith is not really that powerful. If random town couldn't be certain roles then it would cease to be RANDOM town.

[Omar]

We wait, Jaret. As you can see i'm NOT about to cause another lynch. Pressuring for more information is vital at this stage in the game. I'm content with that much.

[Shawna]

If random town couldn't be certain roles then it would cease to be RANDOM town.


It says "Hidden Town Power"
not random btw

[Jaret]

We wait, Jaret. As you can see i'm NOT about to cause another lynch. Pressuring for more information is vital at this stage in the game. I'm content with that much.


Speaking of which.

I want you to answer for that.

Why did you do it?

[Noelle]

My strongest town read almost this entire game has been George. Furthermore, Yayap is cursed to never have a blatant evil role. The closest he's ever been has been student. He's not even playing like Chris from last game.

The only charge against him is that one CLAIMED armorsmith who ended the day early says he hasn't given him anything. So what?

Seriously, since when has Omar been the town leader?


Basing a game solely on meta analysis of previous games is ludicrous and holds no ground. The town wants clarification on certain points that seem misleading. No one said this will end in a lynch.

I'm starting to actually agree with Warren. This whole day you've made less than adequate sense. I'll return for you later.

Moar posts:


If I lied again and told you that I was a sheriff and that George got a clear read from me, would that do it for you?


Why do you insist on lying?



-vote george

lets hear a defence man, omar's reveal was really unnessecary. Honestly I really don't buy Jaret being a citizen, her actions really don't suggest it to be so I smelll scum afoot. It would be cool if there was more than one armoursmith in terms of george's claim of getting armour. Maybe he was just bluffing so that he didnt get attacked.

also noelle claims escort? Still think we should take the words of Lionel into account and consider her for cult.


If you're talking about my Alec date that was a running gag from yesterday where he asked me out. Don't read into it >.>.

MoAR postsssss.







Just because something is unclear, doesn't mean the town has to go expose it. If George is town. This will destroy his game.


Then what do you propose the town does? Just chill and wait for a sheriff?

No. That's not the answer.


Get some justified suspicions first, Noelle.

You're evidence against George is:
- he lied about receiving a vest
- he states he doesn't believe Shawna is a sheriff

As if this isn't weak enough, it's not even fool proof:

Who knows? Maybe George didn't even lie about the vest. Maybe it is Omar is lying. Alternatively maybe there are two armor smiths out there.

Regardless, you seem to think it's enough to put this guy on the stand and call out his role, because that's the only place this can go. You want a role-claim from George.


On the contrary, role claim is always a last resort. Even you must agree George is obviously withholding information and/or explanations for his actions. This isn't in the towns interest.

I am well aware of the caveats you mentioned but I believe it is more likely Omar has no reason to lie than George at this point in time.

I always try to be very very vocal with all my thoughts driving my actions.

I still have suspicions on Dierdre from yesterday's proceedings, though no one seems to want to follow that idea through seeing Erika flipped cult.

[Omar]

Imagine that someone had figured out that I was a power role through any means..

How am I to protect myself from both death and being culted?

Simply put I put myself in the line of fire to do such a thing. It is not often that the mafia will kill someone that causes "chaos" for the town. The cult doesn't want to recruit a volatile member. It was a risky move, but it was a strategy nonetheless.

[Jaret]

Imagine that someone had figured out that I was a power role through any means..

How am I to protect myself from both death and being culted?

Simply put I put myself in the line of fire to do such a thing. It is not often that the mafia will kill someone that causes "chaos" for the town. The cult doesn't want to recruit a volatile member. It was a risky move, but it was a strategy nonetheless.


I am not sure whether to see this as a scum-tell or to believe that you honestly thought this was a good idea.

[Omar]

As i've said I'm open to investigation, sheriffing, mason recruiting, etc. None of it will do any harm to me. It will only prove what I am. If you choose to go against me, then so be it.

[Jaret]

It makes no sense that Omar was SO CONCERNED about being culted that he obliviates town discussion day 2 by ending the day 36 hrs early, yet today he reveals his role over almost nothing and now makes himself the LARGEST TARGET IN MIDGAR.

[Ted]

I still have suspicions on Dierdre from yesterday's proceedings, though no one seems to want to follow that idea through seeing Erika flipped cult.


I agree.

Assuming she was culted last night, her target would of been somewhat suspicious. Dierdre has shown intelligence in posts.. that does not mean town-alignment. I would like to hear more on Dierdre as well.

[Barry]

it is because omar is a terrorist

[Ashlyn]

This is quite amusing... Omar is being true to his avatar and being suicidal perhaps? The doctor can't save everyone, you should hope there's more than one.

Lets see what George has to say.

-vote George

[Herman]

So you pretend to be scum in order to get shot by the vig?

And yeah, meta analysis is really useless. That is why we are all using our COM names right now. Derp.

I believe George is Yayap and he has been acting consistently with his previous town play. He has attempted to even use gambits similar to the one he has now claimed about Shawna in previous forum games. Claiming a town power role isn't who they say they are but trying not to get them lynched is very consistent with his style of play.

I also believe that Omar is not to be trusted. Working against the express wishes of the town and then trying to start a bandwagon on one of the best players in the game with no real basis is not a town move.

I'm out for a bit.

[Mya]

Imagine that someone had figured out that I was a power role through any means..

How am I to protect myself from both death and being culted?

Simply put I put myself in the line of fire to do such a thing. It is not often that the mafia will kill someone that causes "chaos" for the town. The cult doesn't want to recruit a volatile member. It was a risky move, but it was a strategy nonetheless.

This makes sense to me. Omar since Warren has taken a fondness to you, would you post what you think of him?
vote george

I do believe your claim and until George can prove otherwise this makes sense.

[Barry]

Jaret (3): Herman, Lukas, George
Herman (1): Warren
George (7) Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson, Barry, Ashlyn

[Jaret]

Thought for discussion.

What if Omar was culted last night?

[Warren]

Don't try to ignore me Herman. You know I decrypted your code.

And hello raspbarry. $

[Warren]

Jaret that's exactly my thought. But a cult member isn't a big problem yet. I prefer lynching Herman.

[Omar]

Then, Jaret, a mason can try to recruit me. I don't mind at all. Oh wait I've said this before in the last forum mafia. I was culted in that one that night *gasp* wifom. Investigate me, sheriff me, mason me, anything I DONT CARE.

[Barry]

Jaret (3): Herman, Lukas, George
Herman (1): Warren
George ( 8 ) Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson, Barry, Ashlyn, Mya

[Glen]

-vote George
Jaret (3): Herman, Lukas, George
Herman (1): Warren
George (9): Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson, Barry, Ashlyn, Mya, Glen

[Shawna]

I'm going to wait a little bit before voting because I want to hear what Warren has to say about Hermans code. I see something in Hermans posts as well. But I can't decode it.

It was why I asked if he was claiming investigator.

[Omar]

If you want to assure yourself that I am indeed a town role, take a look at forum mafia 3...assuming that you're in to WIFOM. If you want to use the past, align my play style with that. You will realize that I was agressive in that game, also. Fred is fred, that won't change. Just remember not to lynch George, town. There is no need to pull an Omar and lynch early.

As for Warren, he seems to be playing a Thomas style game (Forum Mafia V). If I didn't know any better i'd say that he is wifoming vigilante.

[Jaret]

You are not Fred.

[Omar]

Orly I'm not? What makes you say this.

[Omar]

Suddenly le quiet time appears...I wonder what people are thinking at the moment...

[Shawna]

I see George online, I'm waiting for a defense.

[Omar]

Also it's fred not Fred. Fred (except when used at the start of a sentence for grammatical reasons) always leaves his name in lowercase. Only fred knows this.

[Jaret]

Also it's fred not Fred. Fred (except when used at the start of a sentence for grammatical reasons) always leaves his name in lowercase. Only fred knows this.


You're not fred or Fred.

[Omar]

Why are we even arguing about this? Totally distracting from the discussion(s) at hand about George, Herman, Jaret, and Omar.

[George]

I'm not Yayap. I also did receive a vest last night. I can only assume that there are 2 armorsmiths or Omar is looking to die. I cannot determine which one it is at the moment. I'm more interested in the people voting to lynch me based on the information that I lied.

Take this with a grain of salt: Revealing town power roles in any shape or form is bad news. Omar pulled something I don't normally see town power roles do. This isn't a time when we need a moment of clarity. People can lie about who received what and it shouldn't affect what you say. You'd put it in your will until someone else spoke up. However with that being said I believe what's truly going on is that Omar is not actually the Armorsmith. Every reaction to this is shock, correct? Well what if his mild tempered attitude reveals that Omar is just taking a bullet by saying he is armorsmith. He knows that at least one of the armorsmiths gave HIM the item.

Omar is a citizen. You can go through his posts and read everything he has ever said. He follows, he votes, and he tries to look like a power role. He just can't imagine that there are 2 armorsmiths. What he really wanted to happen was for me to not get lynched, but to push a little suspicion on me. The armorsmith that gave me the materia knows it's true, but the one that gave it to Omar is probably one of the people voting with him thinking I'm a liar.

On another note I'd like to say that the suspicions about me and Shawna are stupid. I just wanted to trick the mafia into thinking Shawna was a ninja so they'd go for someone else. It apparently worked since both the cult AND the mafia went for different targets. The cult went for Erika and one mafia go blocked or chose not to kill while the other killed Riley.

It appears as if people are clinging to me saying I'm the more pro-town player in the game. I don't like that since I sense buddying every time I read that. I'm far from the most pro-town player in the game. Never blindly follow the shepherd over the lava maze. If you personally trust the shepherd will walk you through the right path so you don't get burned then go for it, but just know that the second you look away the shepherd can push you right in and you die.

So people to be suspicious about: The few that have consistently voted multiple people with little to no posts. They are playing extremely conservative whether they are citizens or not they are not helping much and should be looked at. This includes but is not limited to: Lucinda, Carson, and Mya. I also don't like the people using me to gain credibility since doing so is inappropriate. I am no one's friend, but I'm not your enemy either.

TL;DR Omar is a citizen, someone that voted me is the real armorsmith, question power, and fight on brothers fight on.

P.S. Still not Yayap.

[Jaret]

On another note I'd like to say that the suspicions about me and Shawna are stupid. I just wanted to trick the mafia into thinking Shawna was a ninja so they'd go for someone else. It apparently worked since both the cult AND the mafia went for different targets. The cult went for Erika and one mafia go blocked or chose not to kill while the other killed Riley.



This is not necessarily true. Although it seems likely she was recruited last night, she may have been recruited night 1.

[Glen]

-unvote George
Jaret (3): Herman, Lukas, George
Herman (1): Warren
George (8): Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson, Barry, Ashlyn, Mya

Sorry George for voting you, many confusions.
Btw, the second mafia (Orange I believe) tried to attack Katherine, she said so in second or third page at the end. Just letting you know as I noticed you said the mafia chose not to kill.

[Glen]

-unvote George
Jaret (3): Herman, Lukas, George
Herman (1): Warren
George (8 ): Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson, Barry, Ashlyn, Mya

Sorry George for voting you, many confusions.
Btw, the second mafia (Orange I believe) tried to attack Katherine, she said so in second or third page at the end. Just letting you know as I noticed you said the mafia chose not to kill.


Fix'd

[Omar]

I've got what I wanted, but I am not about to change my vote. It stays. Also: I have not received a vest, but I can tell you who has the other one. I'm not about to reveal that as it would be just plain stupid of me to do. Keep in mind that I was smart enough to realize that Katherine was going to be attacked. I'm smart enough to spot a liar, naturally. Whether there is a second armorsmith or not is to be found out later in this game, but I still suspect that you did not receive the vest. Nothing I do will take suspicion off of me, and I am fine with that. Feel free to hate on me.

[Shawna]

I'm not Yayap.


Herman, what do you think of this? Do you have any evidence to suggest that George is lying?

[Warren]

I appreciate your effort George.

-vote George

Jaret (3): Herman, Lukas, George
George (9): Noelle, Lois, Omar, Lucinda, Carson, Barry, Ashlyn, Mya, Warren

[Warren]

Why would you ask Herman?

You got culted?

[Peter]

hi. i think i will read everything now