The Bar Night 2

[FM Bosco]

FM Game Master
Those in the bar tonight

Welcome:
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Bosco
Clement

You all get to talk to each other here, feel free to make other threads if you wish, other players will not be able to see this forum....... at least not unless they pay the Ferengi for a recording.

July 29th, 2014, 02:39 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

​Welcome to my bar. It is nice to see you guys.

July 29th, 2014, 03:07 PM
FM Clement
Re: Those in the bar tonight

I'm not really happy to see Bastian here in the bar, but I'm glad that the awesome Bosco can join the discussion as well.

It is nice to see you guys!

July 29th, 2014, 03:15 PM
FM Clement
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Just saw the currrent bounty board. Why of all people present here only I have a bounty? Both of you don't have any bounties, and Commander Spock does not have a bounty either. However, there is a bounty on Jolly Man. I believe we are the only ones who know about current bounties right now?

July 29th, 2014, 03:19 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
I believe we are the only ones who know about current bounties right now?

Correct, anyone who spends time in the bar will see the bounties. However I might be a sneak and reveal them.

So whats your thoughts on the borgs?

July 29th, 2014, 03:22 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Rawr

Spoiler : Bosco Sign language :

July 29th, 2014, 03:22 PM
FM Clement
Re: Those in the bar tonight

I also saw the list of items and deals for sale. To be honest, I'm not interested in purchasing any of those right now. However, I'm interested to raise my money in order to be able to purchase better deals in the future. I will probably visit the bar in the next evening as well.

Do you think Jolly Man can be lynched tomorrow?

July 29th, 2014, 03:23 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post

Correct, anyone who spends time in the bar will see the bounties. However I might be a sneak and reveal them.

So whats your thoughts on the borgs?
Rawr

Spoiler : Bosco Sign Language :

July 29th, 2014, 03:25 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
I also saw the list of items and deals for sale. To be honest, I'm not interested in purchasing any of those right now. However, I'm interested to raise my money in order to be able to purchase better deals in the future. I will probably visit the bar in the next evening as well.

Do you think Jolly Man can be lynched tomorrow?
Rawr

Code:
Good thought.

Mr. Ferengi, would you be interested in a loan? Could I loan you money tonight, in return get a discount when you have something I'd like to buy in the future?

July 29th, 2014, 03:26 PM
FM Clement
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post

Correct, anyone who spends time in the bar will see the bounties. However I might be a sneak and reveal them.

So whats your thoughts on the borgs?
Is there any way to gain resistance or immunuity against the borgs? Do you sell stuff that can allow us to do that?

July 29th, 2014, 03:35 PM
FM Clement
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Anyway, I don't have too much time to stay here.

Just considier one thing - should we hide the fact that there is a bounty on Jolly Man, or reveal that bounty to everyone just in case everyone decides to lynch him?

July 29th, 2014, 03:36 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
Anyway, I don't have too much time to stay here.

Just considier one thing - should we hide the fact that there is a bounty on Jolly Man, or reveal that bounty to everyone just in case everyone decides to lynch him?
Rawr

Code:
People are are in "The Bar - Evening" also see the Bounty.

We 3 are not the only people to see it

July 29th, 2014, 03:48 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

/drops some coins

July 29th, 2014, 03:49 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post

Mr. Ferengi, would you be interested in a loan? Could I loan you money tonight, in return get a discount when you have something I'd like to buy in the future?
The host says its ok and I am fine with it. We can discuss the deal you would like to make

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
Is there any way to gain resistance or immunuity against the borgs? Do you sell stuff that can allow us to do that?

I might but why would one want to not be assimilated to the borgs?

July 29th, 2014, 03:49 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

RAaaaAAooo!

Code:
Bastian you there?

July 29th, 2014, 04:35 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post
The host says its ok and I am fine with it. We can discuss the deal you would like to make



I might but why would one want to not be assimilated to the borgs?

How about, I give you $150 tonight. At the end of each night you have an outstanding loan from me, you add 20% to the amount.

July 29th, 2014, 04:35 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

I mean... Roar

July 29th, 2014, 04:41 PM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
I'm not really happy to see Bastian here in the bar, but I'm glad that the awesome Bosco can join the discussion as well.

It is nice to see you guys!
yeah fuck you too...
Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
Just saw the currrent bounty board. Why of all people present here only I have a bounty? Both of you don't have any bounties, and Commander Spock does not have a bounty either. However, there is a bounty on Jolly Man. I believe we are the only ones who know about current bounties right now?
i think it's based on activity, lurkers get more bounty

July 29th, 2014, 04:41 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post
How about, I give you $150 tonight. At the end of each night you have an outstanding loan from me, you add 20% to the amount.
Not that interested if I have to pay back in interest or at least that high of a %. I'm willing to take the $150 and offer a discount on a later date.

July 29th, 2014, 04:50 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post
Not that interested if I have to pay back in interest or at least that high of a %. I'm willing to take the $150 and offer a discount on a later date.
Rar

Code:
Excuse me for expecting a Ferengi to haggle

[FM Bosco]

FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post
Excuse me for expecting a Ferengi to haggle
I want to make $$$. I'm not some person who's gonna be paying out. I'm willing to haggle but I run a strict business.

July 29th, 2014, 04:53 PM
FM Game Master
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bastian Schweinsteiger View Post
i think it's based on activity, lurkers get more bounty
You smart!

July 29th, 2014, 04:56 PM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

maybe someone should buy the sheriff check on spock and tell us all

July 29th, 2014, 04:57 PM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

someone trusted with a lot of money *looks at the bear*

July 29th, 2014, 05:17 PM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

ok it's time to tell you guys something, i am not the ferengi
i'm actually town and master (race and role i will not reveal yet)
i don't know, how town of salem thinks it's me
and spock makes no sense at all, i indeed choosed him as student last night, because i thought he was officer (and because of something that has to do with my role)
so somehow he came to the conclusion that because he's my student i am ferengi
so i can send spock to do something tonight
why did i admit to be ferengi? well i thought spock was officer together with town of salem and they pulled some gambit
because spock pushed so hard for me to admit it, i thought it was necessary for his gambit that i admit
post #149
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And by that I mean you trusted me enough to reveal yourself to me, You should continue to trust me now, if you confess as Ferengi I will make sure you are not killed and trust me the plans I have aren't going to hurt your profits one bit. Just confess and we can discuss this all tonight with the captain.
here he asked me to trust him again as i already made him student

then i wanted in the captain chat tonight to tell them, but i wasnt invited unfortunately

i want you to discuss now, whether or not i should reveal this in day chat

July 29th, 2014, 05:47 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Rawr

Code:
Bosco understands, that is, if this isn't all a lie.

The ferengi DID choose Spock and ToS as Agent and Spokesman
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/28157-Day-2?p=457310&viewfull=1#post457310

but spock also saw the message that you made him your student and could send him to do actions.
Thus Spock assumed you were the Ferengi.

Roar

Code:
I do not think you should reveal, but you should make Byran your student instead.
He can communicate with the Captain and give you extra charges

July 29th, 2014, 05:50 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post
I want to make $$$. I'm not some person who's gonna be paying out. I'm willing to haggle but I run a strict business.
Growl

Code:
I stated my offer, state a counter-offer

July 29th, 2014, 05:52 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bastian Schweinsteiger View Post
maybe someone should buy the sheriff check on spock and tell us all
Rawr

Code:
I specifically choose the night version of the bar because I expected it to have fewer people in it. I expect someone in the more populous evening version of the bar to buy it

July 29th, 2014, 06:02 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post
Growl

Code:
I stated my offer, state a counter-offer
Ooooo, aggressive negotiator. Me like.

Very well I do have one:

What you give me: $150

What I give you: A discount on a future purchase or action/info.
To sweeten it a bit, I will throw in an alc of your choice right now to take with you.

July 29th, 2014, 06:05 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post
Rawr

Code:
I specifically choose the night version of the bar because I expected it to have fewer people in it. I expect someone in the more populous evening version of the bar to buy it
The following people are in the evening:

Badassasaurus Rex
Bryan Lewellen
Commander Feralis
Commander Spock
Red is mafia
The Great and Mighty PoD

I doubt they will buy it. But there has been quite a nice bit of info passed out.

July 29th, 2014, 06:08 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

I may be willing to say some of it or give you the logs for the day for the right price....

July 29th, 2014, 07:11 PM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

ferengi, can you explain how spock is your agent? what does he do? how did you contact him?
same for town of salem

bosco i cant just fire the student, he must die first

July 29th, 2014, 07:17 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bastian Schweinsteiger View Post
ferengi, can you explain how spock is your agent? what does he do? how did you contact him?
same for town of salem

bosco i cant just fire the student, he must die first

What do you have to offer for that information?

July 29th, 2014, 07:18 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

But yes I can explain for the right price.

July 29th, 2014, 07:23 PM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

you cannot make money with everything...
it's like someone asks me, if he could have a piece of paper and i say "sure for the right price" :D

July 29th, 2014, 07:32 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bastian Schweinsteiger View Post
you cannot make money with everything...
it's like someone asks me, if he could have a piece of paper and i say "sure for the right price" :D

Wanna bet? My wincon clearly states "Make $$$"

So yes I can make $$$ with everything. I'm not a freeloader.

July 29th, 2014, 08:32 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bastian Schweinsteiger View Post
you cannot make money with everything...
it's like someone asks me, if he could have a piece of paper and i say "sure for the right price" :D
https://i.imgur.com/by34Q6J.png

Roar

Spoiler : The Sisko :

July 29th, 2014, 08:47 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Bosco thoughts on my offer?

July 29th, 2014, 08:56 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post
Bosco thoughts on my offer?
Rawr
Roar
Rar
Rwar

https://i.imgur.com/zlvC1zO.png

Spoiler : Bosco Translation :

July 29th, 2014, 09:02 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post

Spoiler : Bosco Translation :

That seems fair enough, however I retain the right to decide what you may and may not get a discount on.

[FM Bosco]

FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post

That seems fair enough, however I retain the right to decide what you may and may not get a discount on.
Rawr

Code:
That is frighteningly generic

July 29th, 2014, 09:23 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post
Rawr

Code:
That is frighteningly generic
Do you want me to make different type of offer?

July 29th, 2014, 09:55 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post
Do you want me to make different type of offer?
Rawr

Code:
Make a list of what you would not allow to be discounted. Alternatively, make a list of what you would allow to be discounted.

July 29th, 2014, 10:14 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post
Rawr

Code:
Make a list of what you would not allow to be discounted. Alternatively, make a list of what you would allow to be discounted.

The main thing I am not going to discount are high quality stuff unless specified.

Medium quality items are case by case.

Low quality are mostly fine.

Information is dependent on what it is.

When the time comes we can discuss it in greater detail.

July 29th, 2014, 10:21 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post

The main thing I am not going to discount are high quality stuff unless specified.

Medium quality items are case by case.

Low quality are mostly fine.

Information is dependent on what it is.

When the time comes we can discuss it in greater detail.
Rawr

Code:
The main thing I was worried about was you using that interpretation to only allow the discount on a very small number of items that I probably wouldn't want to buy anyways. If you're willing to commit to acting in good faith when it comes to deciding on what the discount applies to then I'm willing to go ahead with the deal.

July 29th, 2014, 10:31 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post
Rawr

Code:
The main thing I was worried about was you using that interpretation to only allow the discount on a very small number of items that I probably wouldn't want to buy anyways. If you're willing to commit to acting in good faith when it comes to deciding on what the discount applies to then I'm willing to go ahead with the deal.
How about this, do you have any item(s) in particular that you want a discount on? I can't just give a general consensus to every item. If you rather not disclose it here we can discuss it privately.

This is my primary one: The Varon-T Disruptor is something that will not be discounted.

I favor customers like you is the thing. You are rather fair and not all greedy so I am more inclined to do deals with you compared to another fellow...

July 29th, 2014, 11:03 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post
How about this, do you have any item(s) in particular that you want a discount on? I can't just give a general consensus to every item. If you rather not disclose it here we can discuss it privately.

This is my primary one: The Varon-T Disruptor is something that will not be discounted.


I favor customers like you is the thing. You are rather fair and not all greedy so I am more inclined to do deals with you compared to another fellow...

Rawr

Code:
Ferengi rule of Acquisition number 57: Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them.

Luckily I have no interest in the Disruptor, not that I would admit to interest publicly if I was.

For now, I trust you to be fair and am willing to commit to the deal.

July 29th, 2014, 11:14 PM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bosco View Post
Rawr

Code:
Ferengi rule of Acquisition number 57: Good customers are as rare as latinum. Treasure them.

Luckily I have no interest in the Disruptor, not that I would admit to interest publicly if I was.

For now, I trust you to be fair and am willing to commit to the deal.
Will do. Its pleasure doing business with you and hope to do more.

July 30th, 2014, 12:35 AM
FM Clement
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bastian Schweinsteiger View Post
ok it's time to tell you guys something, i am not the ferengi
i'm actually town and master (race and role i will not reveal yet)
i don't know, how town of salem thinks it's me
and spock makes no sense at all, i indeed choosed him as student last night, because i thought he was officer (and because of something that has to do with my role)
so somehow he came to the conclusion that because he's my student i am ferengi
so i can send spock to do something tonight
why did i admit to be ferengi? well i thought spock was officer together with town of salem and they pulled some gambit
because spock pushed so hard for me to admit it, i thought it was necessary for his gambit that i admit
post #149

here he asked me to trust him again as i already made him student

then i wanted in the captain chat tonight to tell them, but i wasnt invited unfortunately

i want you to discuss now, whether or not i should reveal this in day chat
What a mess you have pulled yourself into. IF you are speaking the truth, then how you can expain that in the way everyone can understand?

Sigh... I'm feeling bored already. Both of you never said anything about our plans for the next day. I can't believe Commander Spock yet, but at least I'll chose to believe you, Bastian.

July 30th, 2014, 12:52 AM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
What a mess you have pulled yourself into. IF you are speaking the truth, then how you can expain that in the way everyone can understand?

Sigh... I'm feeling bored already. Both of you never said anything about our plans for the next day. I can't believe Commander Spock yet, but at least I'll chose to believe you, Bastian.

You can always talk to me.

July 30th, 2014, 02:52 AM
FM Ferengi
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
What a mess you have pulled yourself into. IF you are speaking the truth, then how you can expain that in the way everyone can understand?

Sigh... I'm feeling bored already. Both of you never said anything about our plans for the next day. I can't believe Commander Spock yet, but at least I'll chose to believe you, Bastian.
You can also buy the sheriff check from me, all you need to do is pm me for info.

July 30th, 2014, 04:12 AM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post

Wanna bet? My wincon clearly states "Make $$$"

So yes I can make $$$ with everything. I'm not a freeloader.
i know you want to make money with everything, but that doesn't mean you can, because people aren't dumb and won't pay money for a "piece of paper" :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
What a mess you have pulled yourself into. IF you are speaking the truth, then how you can expain that in the way everyone can understand?
not that i could have done anything about it ;)
i thought i could copy and paste from here :)

July 30th, 2014, 05:17 AM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
I'm not really happy to see Bastian here in the bar, but I'm glad that the awesome Bosco can join the discussion as well.

It is nice to see you guys!
Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
Just saw the currrent bounty board. Why of all people present here only I have a bounty? Both of you don't have any bounties, and Commander Spock does not have a bounty either. However, there is a bounty on Jolly Man. I believe we are the only ones who know about current bounties right now?
Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post

Wanna bet? My wincon clearly states "Make $$$"

So yes I can make $$$ with everything. I'm not a freeloader.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Clement View Post
What a mess you have pulled yourself into. IF you are speaking the truth, then how you can expain that in the way everyone can understand?

Sigh... I'm feeling bored already. Both of you never said anything about our plans for the next day. I can't believe Commander Spock yet, but at least I'll chose to believe you, Bastian.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Ferengi View Post
How about this, do you have any item(s) in particular that you want a discount on? I can't just give a general consensus to every item. If you rather not disclose it here we can discuss it privately.

This is my primary one: The Varon-T Disruptor is something that will not be discounted.

I favor customers like you is the thing. You are rather fair and not all greedy so I am more inclined to do deals with you compared to another fellow...
you're all greedy...

July 30th, 2014, 05:18 AM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

whoops multiquote

July 30th, 2014, 07:25 AM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Rawr

Code:
Bosco thinks you should have Spock do a night action and see if he reveals the information to Bryan. Spock should have had enough charges to mind meld Bryan last night and should have no reason to hold back any information to an officer. If he doesn't reveal the info to Bryan it would confirm his guilt.

July 30th, 2014, 07:41 AM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

yes will do

July 30th, 2014, 03:45 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bastian Schweinsteiger View Post
yes will do
Rawr

Code:
Just realized, Spock actually wont have enough Charges to mind-meld Bryan until the end of Day 3. Calculated it wrong.

July 30th, 2014, 04:49 PM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

right

July 30th, 2014, 10:13 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Roar

Code:
Bastian, I hope you've already realized that the whole reason I was laying in on you after Spock started the train
was because I was trying to give him as much rope as possible to hang himself with. I felt the lynch on you was stupid
too. But I wanted to see what Spock would do while he was still a trusted member of town.

July 31st, 2014, 06:46 AM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Roar

Quote:
Bastian, please don't reveal that you aren't the Ferengi in day chat for the time being. I want to see who still tries to push for your lynch.

[FM Bosco]

FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

yes i knew that after officer reveal and no i wont reveal

July 31st, 2014, 01:58 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Quote:
Originally Posted by FM Bastian Schweinsteiger View Post
yes i knew that after officer reveal and no i wont reveal
Rawr

Code:
Are you willing to play up the Neutral Ferengi act?

Maybe make an announcement tomorrow as the Ferengi:

Offer a peace treaty to the town and scums.

Say that you have a strong idea of who is the GF and several scum and have placed them in your LW.
Similarly you know who the Captain is know a very strong strategy for scums and they if you're put close to lynch you will reveal both.

A message to everyone: You all know I am a neutral party and my object is to get money.
You aren't afraid to take a side but prefers a balance of power.

State that you have special deals in place with Town of Salem, Bryan Lewellen(pretty sure he'll go along with it) and Bosco.
You had a special deal with Spock, but consider that relationship over. You will form more special deals with people you trust.

A message specifically to scum: Touch me or anyone I have a special deal with and face being outed

A message specifically to town: Touch me or anyone I have a special deal with and face a strengthened mafia.
Roar

Code:
I'm hoping people will attack you.

It is far safer for scum to try and take on a neutral than look for mafia.

I will defend you as such.

July 31st, 2014, 02:18 PM
FM Bastian Schweinsteiger
Re: Those in the bar tonight

yes i like that
only the thing with bryan, why would he go along with it?

July 31st, 2014, 02:39 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Rawr

Code:
I suppose there is no reason to hide it from you two since we need both yours and jollymans cooperation to sell the fact that you are the ferengi.

The Ferengi PMed me and told me he'd like me and Bryan to act as his new spokesperson. A lot of the announcement I gave you was taken from
what the ferengi told me in the PM. Should it be revealed that you aren't the Ferengi, Bryan or I will likely post the remainder of what the Ferengi
asked us to post.

And as a note, I agree with everything I wrote to you above. As I hope the Ferengi is aware, I'd like him to be an ally, but I'm always acting in towns interest.

July 31st, 2014, 03:11 PM
FM Clement
Re: Those in the bar tonight

I'm not entirely sure that your strategy could work, but I'll try to play around it. Remember that we should try to lynch suspicious people who are on host's bounty list. Make sure to remember that list well.

As for Ferengi - I really don't care who he is. Not like he's our primary priority anyway.

July 31st, 2014, 03:28 PM
FM Bosco
Re: Those in the bar tonight

Rawr

Code:
Unless presented with new information, my current target for lynch is Jollyman.

Also when I mentioned Jollyman in http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/28197-Those-in-the-bar-tonight?p=458018&viewfull=1#post458018
I meant Clement. As Jollyman isnt in this chat and wouldn't know if Bastian was Ferengi or not.