FM XXI: Epilogue

[Forum Mafia GM]

FM XXI: Epilogue

The Kingdom of North Umbria has Won!


The Vikings, Serial Killer, Toxicologist, Witch, Ghost, and Ninja has Lost.




Game Information:


Setup:
Ragnar Lodbrok ( Disguiser)
Beguiler
Agent
Drug Dealer
King Aelle ( Mayor)
Sheriff
Detective
Blacksmith
Journalist
Doctor
Intern
Escort
Detective
Bulletproof
Mason
Mason
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Ghost
Toxicologist
Serial Killer
Consort
Citizen
Witch
Ninja
Consigliere
Vigilante



Players:


FM Argentina
Disguiser (Ragnar Lodbrok)
Played by Gyver
Day 1 - Finish
Sacrificed Day 7

Night 1: Kill FM Pakistan
Night 2: Kill FM China
Night 3: Kill FM Italy
Night 4: Kill FM Libya
Night 5: None
Night 6: Kill FM Ireland

FM Australia
Consigliere
Played by Mateo
Day 1 - Finished
Died Night 1

Night 1: FM France

FM Brazil
Journalist
Played by louiswill
Day 3 - Finish
Died Night 7

Day 1: None.
Day 2: FM Cyprus
Day 3: FM Mexico
Day 4: FM Spain
Day 5: FM Iran
Day 6: FM USA
Day 7: FM Saudi Arabia

FM Canada
Ninja
Played by TheDarkestLight
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 3

Night 1: FM Poland
Night 2: FM China
Night 3: FM South Korea

FM China
Doctor
Played by ika
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 2

Night 1: None
Night 2: FM Egypt

FM Colombia
Citizen
Played by _Q2
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 5

FM Costa Rica
Detective
Played by Apache
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 8

Night 1: FM Canada
Night 2: FM Mexico
Night 3: FM Poland
Night 4: FM Sweden
Night 5: FM Cyprus
Night 6: FM Ireland
Night 7: FM Cyprus
Night 8: FM Iran

FM Cyprus
Serial Killer
Played by Nick
Day 1 - Finish
Sacrificed Day 8

Night 1: FM Greenland
Night 2: FM China
Night 3: FM USA
Night 4: FM Ireland
Night 5: FM Russia
Night 6: FM Ireland
Night 7: FM Brazil

FM Egypt
Sheriff
Played by Slaol
Day 1 - Finish
Died Day 4

Night 1: FM Australia
Night 2: FM Norway
Night 3: FM Italy

FM England
Consort
Played by Kirsche
Day 1 - Finish
Died Day 3

Night 1: FM Canada
Night 2: FM Kenya

FM Fiji
Citizen
Played by Frog
Day 1 - Day 5
Modkilled Day 5

FM France
Citizen
Played by powerofdeath
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 3

FM Germany
Citizen
Played by Numbertwo
Day 1 - Finish
Alive

FM Greenland
Beguiler
Played by Citrus
Day 1 - Finish
Sacrificed Day 2

Night 1: FM Argentina

FM India
Citizen
Played by Coast
Day 2 - Finish
Alive

FM Iran
Citizen
Played by Dagaen
Day 1 - Finish
Alive

FM Ireland
Citizen
Played by Banshis
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 6

FM Italy
Mayor
Played by Glip
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 3

FM Japan
Intern
Played by Helios
Day 1 - Finish
Alive

Night 1: Block FM Cyprus
Night 2: Heal FM Libya
Night 3: Block FM Canada
Night 4: Heal FM Spain
Night 5: Block FM Thailand
Night 6: Heal FM USA
Night 7: Block FM Mexico
Night 8: Heal FM USA
Night 9: Block FM Germany

FM Kenya
Bulletproof
Played by Gerik
Day 1 - Finish
Alive

FM Libya
Mason
Played by ypmagic
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 4

FM Mexico
Citizen
Played by RLVG
Day 1 - Finish
Alive

FM New Zealand
Ghost
Played by NoctiZ
Day 1 - Finish
Killed by Town Night 2

Night 3: FM Egypt
Night 4: FM Colombia
Night 5: FM Costa Rica
Night 6: FM Kenya
Night 7: FM USA
Night 8: FM Kenya
Night 9: FM Iran

FM Norway
Blacksmith
Played by Fragos
Day 1 - Finish
Sacrificed Day 3

Night 1: Vest FM England
Night 4: Gun FM Iran

FM Pakistan
Detective
Played by Yayap
Day 1 - Night 1
Died Night 1

Night 1: FM Cyprus

FM Poland
Witch
Played by 42shadow42
Day 1 - Finish
Sacrificed Day 5

Night 1: FM Colombia -> FM Greenland
Night 2: FM Japan -> FM Poland
Night 3: FM Cyprus -> FM South Korea
Night 4: FM Cyprus -> FM Libya

FM Russia
Mason
Played by Yayap
Day 2 - Finish
Died Night 5

FM Saudi Arabia
Drug Dealer
Played by Vantas
Day 1 - Finish
Sacrificed Day 9

Night 1: Attack & Heal FM Colombia
Night 2: Witch FM Italy
Night 3: Witch FM Canada
Night 4: Witch FM Kenya
Night 5: Kill FM Colombia
Night 6: Witch FM USA
Night 7: Kill FM USA
Night 8: No One

FM South Korea
Vigilante
Played by Orpz
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 3

Night 1: FM Australia
Night 2: FM New Zealand
Night 3: FM Canada

FM Spain
Agent
Played by xRavenx
Day 1 - Finish
Sacrificed Day 10

Night 1: Lookout FM Greenland
Night 2: Detective FM Colombia
Night 3: Lookout FM Egypt
Night 4: Lookout FM Poland
Night 5: Detective FM Germany
Night 6: Lookout FM Brazil
Night 7: Lookout FM Brazil
Night 8: Lookout FM Costa Rica
Night 9: Kill FM USA

FM Sweden
Toxicologist
Played by Damus_Graves
Day 1 - Finish
Sacrificed Day 6

Night 1: FM Kenya
Night 2: FM England
Night 3: FM Egypt
Night 4: FM Libya
Night 5: FM Colombia

FM Switzerland
Citizen
Played by Azuriae
Day 1 - Finish
Alive

FM Thailand
Citizen
Played by Hypersniper
Day 1 - Finish
Alive

FM USA
Escort
Played by Boss
Day 1 - Finish
Died Night 9

Night 1: FM England
Night 2: FM Italy
Night 3: FM Canada
Night 4: FM Argentina
Night 5: FM Sweden
Night 6: FM Argentina
Night 7: FM Saudi Arabia
Night 8: FM Saudi Arabia
Night 9: FM India




Thank you everyone for playing, and we hope you had fun playing! Congratulations to those who won.
Awards will be presented after we decide everything!











FM XXI AWARDS:



MVP: FM South Korea
Orpz

I really enjoyed watching FM South Korea play. Although it was risky to outwardly claim Vigilante (especially with a Witch in the game), he managed to convince no one of his claim. I found his posts to be a great mixture of WIFOM & discussion; He made himself seem like he was trying to seem important when he really wasn't, and it seemed that everybody fell for it. He was very active in day chat. FM South Korea only got killed at night because the Witch took the risk of sacrificing a Non-Town Killing role to take him out, yet he had provided enough WIFOM to prevent an killing role to risk themselves to kill him. His night actions were great, killing 3 Non-Town with 3 shots. Sure, he may have killed the Ghost, but at least it prevented the Ghost from messing with Day chat to get a misslynch on himself, saving the town a lynch. I was also pleased that he decided to shoot every night; Having an additional town controlled kill really helps town, and I was happy he realized it. His night actions really helped define the roleslist and give town an early advantage, which I attribute to Town's victory.



MVC: FM Iran
Dagaen

I was pleased with Dagaen's play during the game. He was active and provided sound logic in his posts. He made himself seem town enough to receive a gun Night 2. He may have killed a Town member with the gun, but his choice in target increased his town cred. Afterwards, he was discussed much by Scum and had become a priority on their lists. He did well as a Citizen, and I appreciate how much he played.



Best Reads: FM Colombia
_Q2

FM Colombia was easily my favorite player. He posted logical and well thought out posts, and proved that he was actually paying attention to all posts during the day chat. He had solid reads throughout the game and in his last will on many scum players. After death, he had correctly identified the remaining scum roles. If FM Colombia had survived and used this logic to lead town during the day, I would have easily given him FM MVP.



Best Night Actions: FM USA
Boss

Boss definitely used his night action the best out of anybody in the game. His night targets included 7 Non-Town targets out of 9. He had successfully stopped 4 kills throughout the game, and did more than I had expected any protection role to do. Boss was definitely a front runner for FM MVP, and probably would have received it if I had noticed him more during the day chat.





Odin's shout outs:
FM Argentina
FM Brazil
FM Colombia
FM Costa Rica
FM Cyprus
FM Greenland
FM Iran
FM Mexico
FM New Zealand
FM Poland
FM Saudi Arabia
FM South Korea
FM USA

These are the players that I found myself cheering for at various points in the game. This could have been either from posts, choice of night actions, reads, and things written in last wills. I also found these players to really put a lot of time and effort into the game at some point. It may not have been all game for some of you, but you just stood out to me at various points.





Thank you all for playing our game, and we really appreciate the time and effort you all put into it. We're sorry we can't give everybody awards, and we hope no one is let down by our decisions. We hope you all enjoyed playing FM XXI, and congratulations to everyone once again.

[louiswill]

MVP GO TO SOKO!HAIL ORPZ HAIL ORPZ!

orpz

[louiswill]

I'm glad that I lived that long and irritated mafia finally decides to get rid of me and my confusion all together once for all.----why do you do that! I'm totally 'helping' mafias!

Isn't that nice I died before people I interviewed?

Oh I never interviewed Arab Day 1.

It was a lie. I made that up to give him scum credit.

[Old FM Ireland]

Night Six Mafia and Serial Killer killed me :( Sad day.

[Banshis]

Night Six Mafia and Serial Killer killed me :( Sad day.

Whoops put it on my Anon account

[Glip]

Night Six Mafia and Serial Killer killed me :( Sad day.

I guess that's just the luck of the Irish.

[louiswill]

Night Six Mafia and Serial Killer killed me :( Sad day.

You should thank me :D giving you too much town credit.

[ika]

im glad i died n2

[Coast]

I expect MVP - Lurker.

[Banshis]

You should thank me :D giving you too much town credit.

Yea it worked out for the best since I was just a citizen taking 2 kills.

[Damus_Graves]

:(
I was second most useless scum player in the night phase.

GG all.

[Voss]

how did usa survive cyprus on n3?

[louiswill]

how did usa survive cyprus on n3?

Japan. I knew it.

oops nvm....

Poland
Night 3: FM Cyprus -> FM South Korea

[Orpz]

Fuck YOU ghost

gg everyone :)

[Azuriae]

Well played everyone. I'd like to apologize for this game; I was going to be modkilled at the same time as Fiji since there was no replacement left when I asked for one, but I didn't want to just cause another town death. ._.

The last year has been way too busy for me. Between work and life stuff, I just really don't have much time for games and stuff like this.

That was my last FM for a while; I'll be retiring until things aren't as crazy as they are for me these days! I'll stick around to spectate if I can though! Thanks for all these games, all of you are great ♥

[_Q2]

Well, this was definitely an interesting first game here...it's just a shame that I died right before I made all of my connections, and it turns out that they were all right, too. Damn though, I thought for a bit that the Town was going to end up losing because of all the incompetent people playing g the game. Definitely a recurring theme throughout Forum Mafia, I guess, since the same thing happens on Marriland Mafia.

I'm looking forward to playing more games around here; I really enjoyed this.

[Gyver]

I killed Yayap night 1, yay me!


Well, this was definitely an interesting first game here...it's just a shame that I died right before I made all of my connections, and it turns out that they were all right, too. Damn though, I thought for a bit that the Town was going to end up losing because of all the incompetent people playing g the game. Definitely a recurring theme throughout Forum Mafia, I guess, since the same thing happens on Marriland Mafia.

I'm looking forward to playing more games around here; I really enjoyed this.

I think the mafia had great night targets(including you), just unfortunate how the other scum night targets went.

[Gerik]

Good game everyone.

To all the haters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk8eJh4i8Lo

[Forum Mafia GM]

Added reputation back to the section

[Slaol]

Saudi Arabia was what role?

[_Q2]

Saudi Arabia was what role?
I though the same thing when I saw that; Vantas is Drug Dealer and Greenland is Beguiler.

[Forum Mafia GM]

fixed, thanks

[xRavenx]

The lynch was locked just as I was about to post. :(

Sorry for being so inactive. Mafia here is much more active than I'm used to and I've been a bit busier than usual. I may or may not sign up for the next game.

It was a fun first game here and I wish I was able to be more active. It was interesting to see how the game is played differently here and all the different roles. I'm excited to play more here in the future.

By the way, I wasn't actually Castilla. That was Saudi/Vantas.

[Yayap]

I killed Yayap night 1, yay me!


You needed to keep me alive night 1... Because n1 deaths get to replace afk people.

My MVP vote would go to Iran.

[Gerik]

You needed to keep me alive night 1... Because n1 deaths get to replace afk people.

My MVP vote would go to Iran.

Well he forced you to be a citizen instead of a detective. And since you didn't immediately come back and lead us to victory as Russia, it worked out ok for them (aside from the fact that they did end up losing).

Not that it seems to matter since there's been no mention of it, but my vote for MVP goes to South Korea/Orpz. Vigilante that went 3 for 3 with shots at non-town/scum is pretty impressive. And I thought his day presence was strong as well, which is why I never understood the accusations against him. He was also one of the few who initially seemed to trust me, which was nice.

My play was pretty sub-par this game. I got very fixated on the tailor for some reason and was thoroughly confused for several days in the mid-game. I blame the fact that this game coincided with the end of semester/finals for me. Also tailors are confusing. :(

I had hoped there would be a jailor in the game so I could get jailed by him and confirm myself to him by having him execute me. But alas, it was not to be. :(

[Nick]

MVP Orpz

[ika]

mvp night action wise: soko/orpz

mvp player wise: dagon/iran

[Dagaen]

Well, I was wrong about Kenya, oh well:P

I have to say, this game was terrible at some times. Like sc2-level terrible. Terrible Citizens, trolling, uch. I was terrified of the ending, because 90% or remaining players were lurking, but PRs basically won us this game. Here are some thoughts.

Colombia(_Q2) - Don't know this guy, but it was really pleasurable first time;) Incredibly long posts though:P
Cyprus (Nick) - Great job sounding cool & relaxed at the beginning, but took the "too-cool-to-contribute" attitude a bit too far.
Fiji (Frog) - Really? Wow, one could expect a bit more from Frog.
France (powerofdeath) - Yeah, same with PoD...Disappointing.
India (Coast) - Coast? I think he's been around here, not sure if I ever played a game with him though. Terrible game, Citizens don't win games by lurking. Although this game definitely doesn't help my case.
Japan (Helios) - Wow, we had Intern as well? That was really powerful end for us. GJ staying alive.
Libya (ypmagic) - I'm glad that I was in the game where ypmagic actually played good:D I was starting to have bax experience with you, man:)
New Zealand (Noctiz) - Wow, another surprise. I was certain that Ghost was someone less experienced, because it was obvious most of the time who was possessed. Sure, many codes were flying around, but usually nobody even bothered to ask for them. I don't like ghost who shouts every Day "Hi, I'm here" ;p
Norway (Fragos) - That armorsmith claim, maaaaan.
Poland (42shadows42) - Major contribute for total randomness during early game. You are perfect representation of my government:D
Pakistan/Russia (Yayap) - Hmmm, he played two roles??? Anyway, Russia was great:P
Saudi Arabia (Vantas) - Don't know this guy, but it was really good first time. Gj!
South Korea (Orpz) - One crazy SoB. Incredible streak, but I refuse to believe you weren't lucky with Australia:D
Thailand (Hypersniper) - Not sure why is he still allowed to play games, but ok.
USA (Boss) - Name of the player fits the account, hah. Managed to give us 2 scums, cleared one scummy Townie, apprently blocked Sweden as well, which was probably the reason for pushing this. And he was the leader in the end game. Statistics alone make him the MVP I think.

FM USA

[Dagaen]

Btw, Mafia codes were just random words, right?


Oh and I have to say: hosting was AWESOME. I like the idea, of highlighting dead players - it makes rereading so much more comfortable. Day and Night was always on time. First posts had all important informations AND LWs? Big respect!

[ika]

LWs

funny thing on lws, the host made a minor error with mine when day began, he added some stuff that i was sending thoughts no and not ment to be in lw at first

[Dagaen]

funny thing on lws, the host made a minor error with mine when day began, he added some stuff that i was sending thoughts no and not ment to be in lw at first

Haha:D

Btw, Host, access to Night chats, please?

[Orpz]

99% balls 1% testicles

[powerofdeath]

I apologize for my lack of participation in this game, I found out something I wasn't supposed to know(Yayap the pakistan as detective) then I completely lost interest in this game. Host insisted me to keep playing so I did. I was not paying attention to the game at all and never realized that Yayap died night one until just now :p

Hope my next FM could end up a lot better :/

[Gerik]

Oh, and before I forget:

Thanks to Cryptonic for hosting! As stated by Dagaen, the hosting was impeccable. Everything happened on time and the biggest (only?) error was the inability to make the private notes forums not have the thread titles be searchable, but was discovered quickly and didn't really affect the game at all, plus it was completely out of your control.

[Citrus]

Btw, Mafia codes were just random words, right?


Oh and I have to say: hosting was AWESOME. I like the idea, of highlighting dead players - it makes rereading so much more comfortable. Day and Night was always on time. First posts had all important informations AND LWs? Big respect!

Yeap, I random.orged the entire thing off a word list

[Yayap]

I'll give my full thoughts on the game and setup when I get home.

Night chats are already open dagaen.

[Slaol]

Fun fact.

1. This video was posted.

Good game everyone.

To all the haters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk8eJh4i8Lo

2. This post was made / action was taken.

Added reputation back to the section

3. Gerik received Rep from Odin on that video.

[Slaol]

I'll give my full thoughts on the game and setup when I get home.

Night chats are already open dagaen.

Try not to edit the day thread. Huehuehue

[Gerik]

btw- Russia was a mason, yes? (it says he's citizen)

[louiswill]

I protest Dageon who didn't give me a comment! PROTESSSTT!!

MVP for USA arguement:

USA(Boss) isn't the best town member. allow me argue this:

There is no doubt that,

The shinnest drama in this game is in fact Day5-Day8 Kenya(Gerik) - USA(Boss) - German(Numbertwo) - Argentina(Gyver) - Brazil(Louiswill)

But note this can not be pulled without support of full 4 town members together.

If you think USA deserves MVP for that, he can only do so because we supported him.

I do not even bother to remind you guys how scummy USA was in first half of game.

USA was also healed by Japan and luckily protected by witch.


That are the 4 town people Kenya(Gerik) German(Numbertwo) Brazil(Louiswill) and Japan(Helios) and the odd from witch

all made USA's play possible and successful.

Therefore,
USA's brilliant stage play is not be done largely by him alone.

USA did not even recognize us for the moment of Argentina vote, for example,



Before I get burned later, I'm not a detective. I felt the need to save Germany. By dumb luck we got a scum yesterday because of it. Now it's Kenya vs Argentina, as opposed to Kenya vs. Germany.

This is the evidence
USA did all that but did not expect it work so smoothly.

It is because the other 4 of us supported him secretly.
(Not only that, mafia was in hurry to get town credit by lynch their own members. I.E. Arab)

I think it is not fair for others to announce USA as the MVP.

He is magnificent but that is not the key of the play.


I think we should announce USA as the Batman, he is the one we deserves but not what we need.

On the other-hand, Soko(Orpz) took out some scums made town even possible to win.

Face it, we were running out of leadership in late game.

Without Soko

After I died Day7,

Imagine if USA diedDay9, then Japan diedDay10, then there is not enough people left to lead the town, everything is then by chance.

By then we will still have couple scums to take out. Plus there are a few unreliable citizens too.

It is Orpz made us possible to win.

Orpz MVP Please!

[Nick]

Night chats are pathetic.

And lol Castilla.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

Gg guys
i did my job well i found both neutral killers, got one lynched with a cool gambit saving me from death.
also i tracked the witch and ghost, so my scum radar worked really well. and i also cleared several scummy guys. I successfully prevented mexico and soko lynch

I dont understand why i wasnt healed, i didnt expect we had a doc left but it was obvious id die

i want to know now if crypt really is the host and why he didnt say that which i really hated

[Old FM Costa Rica]

Gg guys
i did my job well i found both neutral killers, got one lynched with a cool gambit saving me from death.
also i tracked the witch and ghost, so my scum radar worked really well. and i also cleared several scummy guys. I successfully prevented mexico and soko lynch

I dont understand why i wasnt healed, i didnt expect we had a doc left but it was obvious id die

i want to know now if crypt really is the host and why he didnt say that which i really hated

Ninja not ghost..

[Gerik]

Gg guys
i did my job well i found both neutral killers, got one lynched with a cool gambit saving me from death.
also i tracked the witch and ghost, so my scum radar worked really well. and i also cleared several scummy guys. I successfully prevented mexico and soko lynch

I dont understand why i wasnt healed, i didnt expect we had a doc left but it was obvious id die

i want to know now if crypt really is the host and why he didnt say that which i really hated

You played quite well, Apache. GG man

[Old FM Cyprus]

April 10th, 2014, 07:25 PM


Please don't put it in FAQ.

- Examples of death descriptions? Will say target is killed by mafia/SK/gunsmith or killer won't be identified?

April 11th, 2014, 04:03 AM


Day 1 influence:
1. Argentina
2. South Korea
3. Greenland
4. Italy
5. Kenya

Would choose to kill Greenland tonight, but I will play safe and...
-skip action

April 11th, 2014, 05:40 AM


He seemed quite confident that he will be safe tonight. RP is not for obfuscation and WIFOM. Not particularly fishing for night kills either because he's not trying to take town leader position.

I hope there is no bodyguard on him, and no Detective on me. Since Serial Killer kills will not be revealed, no harm killing as long as he is not scum. Don't want town to be aware of my presence so early.
-kill Greenland

April 12th, 2014, 02:50 PM


Can blackmailer blackmail someone to solve a code or to reveal their roles (information that blackmailer do not know)?

If true, blackmailer in this setup can be countered by CODES too! Not that I'll tell them.

April 13th, 2014, 06:54 PM


Lost confidence in myself, so

-kill FM Costa Rica

Will send article later. Yes I'm not bothered to kill journalist and Japan. Cause zero confidence.

April 14th, 2014, 01:17 AM


Thought about it. Unless there is Disguiser/Vent, Costa Rica can still be scum.

Japan - escort/intern, don't want to kill new player, yet.
Libya - mason, likely protected
Colombia - citizen, likely protected
Iran - citizen
"Journalist" - if I kill him, I wasted my time

His trolling early game don't suggest immunity. And he pushed too hard on Greenland to be scum. Even if he is Citizen, killing him is worth more than Iran or Colombia, or any power role. Should have killed him N1 anyways, he and his unique play style.
-kill China

On hindsight, Greenland not too afraid of dying should have alerted me that he is scum. Thanks Japan!

April 16th, 2014, 09:11 PM


1. So 3 Mafia dead before N3.
England, last will claimed Consort, unless lawyered
Australia, Consigliere
Greenland, Beguiler
2. Egypt is not Lookout, else she is culted.
3. Japan, intern or DD. Not sure now.
4. Convinced Argentina-Poland.
4. I ended up as pro-town / lookout candidate, sigh...
5. List of confirmed town:
South Korea
Libya
6. List of likely town:
Sweden
Costa Rica
Colombia
Ireland
USA

Choice between Ireland and USA. Both too intelligent for their own good, other being South Korea.
Worried about the persons behind Argentina and Egypt. But, time is not right.
USA is a bit too obvious a kill. Maybe Journalist. But attention floated around him, so I'm not sure... in fact Ireland seemed to be a better idea.
Colombia and Argentina either faking stupid or are scum.
Japan seemed too fail to be fail. Numbertwo using my strategy of stupid noob?
I hope Witch won't witch South Korea onto me. Very likely but nothing can be done except flee. Don't feel like fleeing.
Likely to be roleblocked by Japan tonight too.

For now...
-kill USA

April 18th, 2014, 12:05 AM


1. Will Ghost possession show up in Lookout results?

2. Will all visits show up in Lookout results, eg. Architect, Jailor, etc.?

3. Can you give me an example of Lookout result, say if Lookout saw that I visited its target?

April 18th, 2014, 01:59 AM


4. And example result/feedback for nobody visited target?

April 20th, 2014, 07:50 PM


Tired and lazy.

Dunno if Brazil scum... told me not to pressure Mexico.

Anyways, not Sweden's nature to lead. Ones actively scumhunting are Ireland, Costa Rica, Russia. Argentina still lurking, Poland nobody will trust anymore. Mason number currently 2-3. Should I kill mason? They are a threat, they form vote block and pushes wagon.

Not sure if I should flee. Likely that I'll be roleblocked tonight and prevented from fleeing and will be forced to roleclaim get lynched tomorrow. I'm the poisoner/SK candidate I guess. But flee I will not because I'm lazy. Changing accounts not fun even if I live.

Since masons are not in Brazil's hostile list, I'll avoid masons. Then kill Ireland for being lurky and confident at being lurky (meaning he has airtight defense when pressured)? But he voted crap Germany then disappeared. Not sure if town...

-kill FM Costa Rica

Kill the obvious. Before she steals my doctor protection WIFOM.

USA and I will be in trouble tomorrow. Hope ghost possess me tomorrow.

April 20th, 2014, 09:40 PM


Costa Rica Architect or some less important town/PR

Ireland maybe Escort must die quick!

-kill FM Ireland

April 23rd, 2014, 04:55 PM


Can i die to jester. When is jester kills.

April 23rd, 2014, 05:08 PM


Sigh terrible move in my part...


April 23rd, 2014, 07:59 PM


Will Coroner know both of the witch's target? Eg. Primary target witched to secondary target. Will know secondary target?

Sigh don't feel like disguising.

April 23rd, 2014, 08:49 PM


Probably a bodyguard, doctor and lookout at him. But I don't care anymore.

-Kill Russia

April 26th, 2014, 09:50 PM


Lynch on Sweden move forward too quickly. Apparently Sweden not possessed?

Don't know who is what anymore.

-kill Ireland

April 28th, 2014, 07:51 PM


Should I choose to kill Doctor? Brazil or Escort? Costa Rica

Sigh...

I hate Escorts more.

-kill Costa Rica

but too late likely healed.

April 28th, 2014, 08:45 PM


Since I was told to kill Brazil, Argentina obviously knows something. So...

-kill Brazil

April 30th, 2014, 03:10 AM


If I'm survivor and poisoned and vested. What notification do I get?

You are poisoned at night then attacked and survived at day?

Or just attacked and survived?


April 30th, 2014, 05:36 AM


Having terrible headache lately. Not going to be active anymore. Claimed Survivor as an excuse not to contribute. Also suspect that Costa Rica is Lookout. She did say that Poland is Witch or Jester. In case I'm exposed, hopefully I'll still confuse town.

And SIGH. Mafia keeps failing to kill. What is this!

April 30th, 2014, 11:06 AM


If I am possessed today, can I send a last will from my main account to inform others in my last will that I'm possessed, in case I'm lynched?

[Old FM Cyprus]

No need to reply though. From my experience hosts sometimes inadvertently reveal information. And some host try to manipulate my actions (really true!). Just wanted to share since I have nobody to talk to.

D2: I pray and hope that I have not busted the whole Mafia team. Please be retards that are a waste of a night kill.

D2mid: Greenland witch, Columbia mafia who killed N1, mafia no tailor, Libya ML. I'm feeling sad now. And I tend to forget that I'm scum.

D3start: So if Greenland redirects action to Colombia, and Egypt is the Lookout then he found Greenland Beguiler, Serial Killer Cyprus, Doctor (???), some witch (???) and lying Japanese Drug Dealer in a single night? WTF. Hope not.

D3mid: So seems like Slaol, I mean Egypt was not Lookout. Lol they though that I'm Lookout instead. Since Japan is DD, anyone defending him is scum. Russia for example. Seems like Japan and co. are making preparations to mislynch me. Ugh, think Nick think...

D3end: Will leave SKorea to her doom. Retarded town, hopefully. Note to self, Argentina-Poland link since D2, been defending Poland consistently, likely Student-Mentor, maybe Cult. If Poland is "Sheriff" then Argentina must die.

D4start: Sad that SKorea died. Means that Mafia has at least 2 members left, realistically 3. Terrible quality of scumhunting in daychat, else the real town is lurking. Even if I lead then like a real town. Tough job. I don't have the motivation to carry them, if they don't bother reading and thinking.

D5end: Terrible play on my part. Should not play while groggy. Sad. Lost motivation in the game.

D6start: Should have killed Japan and Costa Rica sigh

[Old FM Cyprus]

Costa Rica can be MVP too.

[Gerik]

Costa Rica can be MVP too.

Yeah, I'd be ok with this.

[louiswill]

You shouldn't listen to Argentina. I'm such a good buddy but you still want me dead.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

Cyprus why didnt you disgzise that wouldve been really cool because i was on you :-D

[louiswill]

..........
Thought about it. Unless there is Disguiser/Vent, Costa Rica can still be scum.

Japan - escort/intern, don't want to kill new player, yet.
Libya - mason, likely protected
Colombia - citizen, likely protected
Iran - citizen
"Journalist" - if I kill him, I wasted my time

His trolling early game don't suggest immunity. And he pushed too hard on Greenland to be scum. Even if he is Citizen, killing him is worth more than Iran or Colombia, or any power role. Should have killed him N1 anyways, he and his unique play style.
-kill China

On hindsight, Greenland not too afraid of dying should have alerted me that he is scum. Thanks Japan!
.............



You are correct after all.

[Nick]

Cyprus why didnt you disgzise that wouldve been really cool because i was on you :-D

Not the right time.

[Nick]

You are correct after all.

Referring to USA / England who were roleblocked. Canada excluded because no confirmed role vibe from him.

[Old FM USA]

Usa was never role blocked lol. I made it up to give some extra info to the maf team.

And thanks louiswill. Do I need to say how bad of a job you did by outing me?

[Old FM USA]

And btw, almost all of china's reads in his last will were wrong =P. That helped me track Down scum in the late gamre.

[Nick]

Every game won't be complete without a guy acting high and mighty and trying to show off.


<colgroup><col><col><col><col><col></colgroup><tbody>
Role

Account

Name

Performance

Comment












Ragnar Lodbrok (Disguiser)

FM Argentina
Gyver
A

Can consider contributing more to avoid night actions


Beguiler
FM Greenland
Citrus

C

Unnecessary ML claim


Agent
FM Spain
xRavenx
C

Tracking more useful for finding PR


Drug Dealer
FM Saudi Arabia
Vantas
B

Some minor mistakes like missing interview


Consigliere
FM Australia
Mateo
C

Insufficient Day 1 preparations


Consort
FM England
Kirsche
C
Overpushed Greenland lynch and became a target, weak last will


Toxicologist

FM Sweden
Damus_Graves
B

Night kills…


Serial Killer
FM Cyprus
Nick
-
-


Witch
FM Poland
42shadow42
C

Unnecessary gambits


Ghost

FM New Zealand
NoctiZ
C
Suboptimal ghost play


Ninja

FM Canada
TheDarkestLight
D

Deserve to die for failing to follow day chat


King Aelle (Mayor)

FM Italy
Glip
B

-


Sheriff
FM Egypt
Slaol
B
Leaving Norway to die…


Detective
FM Costa Rica
Apache
A

-


Detective
FM Pakistan
Yayap
-
-


Blacksmith
FM Norway
Fragos
C

-


Doctor
FM China
ika
A

-


Intern
FM Japan
Helios
B
-


Escort
FM USA
Boss
A
-


Vigilante
FM South Korea
Orpz
A
-


Journalist
FM Brazil
loiuswill
C

Unnecessary scummy play and last will revealing the Escort


Bulletproof
FM Kenya
Gerik
C
Lacked contribution as Bulletproof


Mason
FM Russia
Yayap
A

-


Mason
FM Libya
ypmagic
C

At least try to lead town…


Citizen
FM Colombia
_Q2
A

-


Citizen
FM Fiji
Frog
D

-


Citizen
FM France
powerofdeath
E

-


Citizen
FM Germany
Numbertwo
B

Nice lie, as a town…


Citizen
FM India
Coast
E

-


Citizen
FM Iran
Dagaen
B

-


Citizen
FM Ireland
Banshis
A
-


Citizen
FM Mexico
RLVG

C

-


Citizen
FM Switzerland
Azuriae
C
-


Citizen
FM Thailand
Hypersniper
E

-

</tbody>

[louiswill]

If I dont reveal escort usa will not come out to lead town. My scummy play was not necessary which protect me from ghosting and fos.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using Tapatalk 2

[Old FM Germany]

GG. Germany lives on to conquer the world. That was my plan all along.

[Yayap]

Every game won't be complete without a guy acting high and mighty and trying to show off.


<colgroup><col><col><col><col><col></colgroup><tbody>
Role

Account

Name

Performance

Comment












Mason
FM Russia
Yayap
A

-

</tbody>

Id disagree with that review... I'd give myself a "B" at best. Due to my busy schedule, I played this FM 95% from my phone which meant I didn't have any notes nor did I get much of a chance to re-read day much. I was posting purely off gut feelings and only tunnelled on Poland who was obvious scum to me and didn't even get to pressure Cyprus who was on my radar since d1 (my night action as Pakistan would have gotten nothing but I probably would have tried again n2 since he claimed roleblocked). I didn't get a clear read on anyone else so I hardly commented on them and only refocused everyone back onto Poland.

[Yayap]

Again, I'm posting from my phone... You'll get a bigger post from me later when I finally log on my PC.

[Nick]

If I dont reveal escort usa will not come out to lead town. My scummy play was not necessary which protect me from ghosting and fos.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using Tapatalk 2

Leading town should be the job of dispensable roles like yours. Furthermore you have sufficient WIFOM protection with possible Mafia and Corrupt Journalists around. And why are you so afraid to be fosed? However, acting scummy is not the major issue.

Using your argument, you revealed the Escort to be ghosted...

And USA is in no danger of being lynched anytime soon.

[Vantas]

Every game won't be complete without a guy acting high and mighty and trying to show off.


<colgroup><col><col><col><col><col></colgroup><tbody>
Role

Account

Name

Performance

Comment













Drug Dealer
FM Saudi Arabia
Vantas
B

Some minor mistakes like missing interview
I keep telling people I didn't have any request for an interview night one XD


Ah well GG, I was hoping Raven could of been a little more active and finish it off. I was about to post when I got lynched too though :P Also, I feel like I sheeped a little bit, so I'd give myself a C rather than a B but overall really good game!

@Odin Thank you for the kind words! :D

As for MVP.... I'm going to have to think on this one. I feel like Clebby (_Q2) did a really good job early game leading town but town wouldn't of won period if it weren't for Iran at the end. While I disagree with his points at times, I overall think that mafia would of won and I would of stayed in the shadows if he didn't push so hard.

FM Iran

[_Q2]

@Nick

Tbh, Orpz had somewhat decent (see the second half of this paragraph for an explanation) night actions, but was really terrible during the Day. The whole quality > quantity screamed through my head the more he posted throughout his lifespan, and it had really deteriorated my play up until they got killed. I disagree with the idea that they only killed scum, too. They put the Ghost against the Town, and the Ninja could have Town sided and helped us throughout the game. Australia was really the only scum they killed, and that seemed to be more luck than anything. Sure, they were the most inactive, but surely there would be some shadow of doubt overlooking that, especially with it being a Night 1shot. I know for a fact that I wouldn't have shot on the first Night, especially with as much of a clusterfuck that we had during that day.

It is kind of sad that there were only two decent Citizens in the game, and even then, we both got kind of screwed over by the Ghost. In reteospect, it seemed to be a good worth for letting the PRs be able to do more during the day (ironically enough), and the idea of a Citizen being a meat shield against the scum worked out very well. Iran played a very good game, really.

Ireland, on the other hand, seemed to be a good player because of people who gave him Town reads. Really, I didn't see them do all THAT much throughout his lifespan, though I might be missing something. I followed the entire game after I had been killed, and I don't really remember Ireland being an outstanding player, but they weren't terrible either.

Argentina did quite a bit, but kind of took my argument the wrong way, which added to the impeccable timing of my death. What I was meaning with what I posted in my read of him was that he hinted that a lynch on me would work very well, which would lead to me being dead no matter what, and Argentina would look like Town. However, after I ended up being killed, even after I had given a big scum read on Argentina, he managed to live for an extra Day before he got lynched, and it wasn't even because of what I had said. I'm somewhat disappointed that I didn't get to clarify that while I was alive, but it is what it is.

China barely did anything except for troll, and I didn't really see any outstanding play from them. Not sure why they're at A.

I can agree with Russia being a higher tier player, but just barely. While he had a couple good Mason plays, I didn't really see anything more from him.

I wouldn't call Costa Rica an A tier because of the major considerence for their lynch somewhat early in the game. It really didn't help anything, but he managed to evade it, but just barely.

I can agree with USA as a B tier player at most...while he had a good endgame, his beginning was flat out terrible (and iirc I remember him being a lynch target in the early game). I just didn't really see his actions making up for his more conservative and less aggressive plays.

As for myself...I didn't play my best, but this is my best game on a forum yet. Not sure if that makes sense, but my Day 1 wasn't really up to par with how I usually play, but that's likely because of the lack of being used to being able to play and vote and whatnot in Day 1. Also, I had actually made most of my posts from my phone, which was really nothing but hell to try, especially when I had made that Day 1 analysis.

Not really sure what else to say about these, but I'd definitely have a lot less A tier players as you put in there.

[Apache]

I wouldn't call Costa Rica an A tier because of the major considerence for their lynch somewhat early in the game. It really didn't help anything, but he managed to evade it, but just barely.


i disagree here, first i was very far from getting lynched, i didnt even have to claim. only lybia and scum sweden wanted to lynch me actually.
also while it is bad if you get mislynched, it's usually not bad to get misfosed. it actually helped me to stay alive. also i couldnt prevent the fos, i'd blame lybia for that stupid fos

[Apache]

also, i noticed south korea targeted argentina n1. is that correct?
then he sure should have told us that he is immune lol
so in retrospect we see the only night actions south korea did is attack and immune without telling us, killing a ghost which hurt us and killing a ninja with helped only slightly.
that's no mvp actions imo

[NoctiZ]

Fuck YOU ghost

gg everyone :)

no fuck YOU orpzy :(

[Fragos]

I'm not happy with how my own game ended, but it's good to see that town won. What about FM Iran? Has he used the gun that was given to him?

[Nick]

also, i noticed south korea targeted argentina n1. is that correct?
then he sure should have told us that he is immune lol
so in retrospect we see the only night actions south korea did is attack and immune without telling us, killing a ghost which hurt us and killing a ninja with helped only slightly.
that's no mvp actions imo

If you ever read South Korea's last will, it said Australia...

[Nick]

I'm not happy with how my own game ended, but it's good to see that town won. What about FM Iran? Has he used the gun that was given to him?

On France.

[Nick]

@Nick

Tbh, Orpz had somewhat decent (see the second half of this paragraph for an explanation) night actions, but was really terrible during the Day. The whole quality > quantity screamed through my head the more he posted throughout his lifespan, and it had really deteriorated my play up until they got killed. What matters is the intention behind the posts. Perhaps you are not used to such posting style, which is not alignment indicative. I disagree with the idea that they only killed scum, too. They put the Ghost against the Town, and the Ninja could have Town sided and helped us throughout the game. Australia was really the only scum they killed, and that seemed to be more luck than anything. Perhaps Egypt and South Korea are lucky. But I believe it is best to remove uncontributive players who will waste PR actions and make lynches difficult. Sure, they were the most inactive, but surely there would be some shadow of doubt overlooking that, especially with it being a Night 1shot. I know for a fact that I wouldn't have shot on the first Night, especially with as much of a clusterfuck that we had during that day. Somehow I find the "clusterfuck" quite useful for reads.

It is kind of sad that there were only two decent Citizens in the game, and even then, we both got kind of screwed over by the Ghost. In reteospect, it seemed to be a good worth for letting the PRs be able to do more during the day (ironically enough), and the idea of a Citizen being a meat shield against the scum worked out very well. Iran played a very good game, really. You should be glad that Ghost wasted action on you instead of PR?

Ireland, on the other hand, seemed to be a good player because of people who gave him Town reads. Really, I didn't see them do all THAT much throughout his lifespan, though I might be missing something. I followed the entire game after I had been killed, and I don't really remember Ireland being an outstanding player, but they weren't terrible either. Not because of town read but his posts are town intentioned, and though his post is few and far between the posts are intelligent.

Argentina did quite a bit, but kind of took my argument the wrong way, which added to the impeccable timing of my death. What I was meaning with what I posted in my read of him was that he hinted that a lynch on me would work very well, which would lead to me being dead no matter what, and Argentina would look like Town. However, after I ended up being killed, even after I had given a big scum read on Argentina, he managed to live for an extra Day before he got lynched, and it wasn't even because of what I had said. I'm somewhat disappointed that I didn't get to clarify that while I was alive, but it is what it is.

China barely did anything except for troll, and I didn't really see any outstanding play from them. Not sure why they're at A. You fail to see the meaning behind the supposedly troll posts then. They are sarcasm. Did well during Greenland lynch but perhaps as Doctor shouldn't stand out too much.

I can agree with Russia being a higher tier player, but just barely. While he had a couple good Mason plays, I didn't really see anything more from him. Contribution during the day. You can call his reads lucky or whatever but at least he pushed the discussion forward.

I wouldn't call Costa Rica an A tier because of the major considerence for their lynch somewhat early in the game. It really didn't help anything, but he managed to evade it, but just barely. Being suspected does not equal bad. No reason for her lynch anyway.

I can agree with USA as a B tier player at most...while he had a good endgame, his beginning was flat out terrible (and iirc I remember him being a lynch target in the early game). I just didn't really see his actions making up for his more conservative and less aggressive plays. I gave B because he posted a lot but there isn't much good content before he revealed.

As for myself...I didn't play my best, but this is my best game on a forum yet. Not sure if that makes sense, but my Day 1 wasn't really up to par with how I usually play, but that's likely because of the lack of being used to being able to play and vote and whatnot in Day 1. Also, I had actually made most of my posts from my phone, which was really nothing but hell to try, especially when I had made that Day 1 analysis. You did well.

Not really sure what else to say about these, but I'd definitely have a lot less A tier players as you put in there. No need to be stingy with marks.

[Nick]

Well, my marks don't mean anything other than my bias, preferences and expectations. I hate lurky games, and gave marks accordingly.

[NoctiZ]

Read the chats now, of course I should have tried to do more but especially regarding mislynches I wouldn't've been able to pull one off with the mindset I had and adding to that (and glad Russia said it) I had no fucking clue who was safe to lynch. I saw scumreads everywhere and thus I decided to only take the most active players and accelerate vote trains to reduce information being exchanged.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I apologize for my lack of participation in this game, I found out something I wasn't supposed to know(Yayap the pakistan as detective) then I completely lost interest in this game. Host insisted me to keep playing so I did. I was not paying attention to the game at all and never realized that Yayap died night one until just now :p

Hope my next FM could end up a lot better :/

Once again, you didn't know Yayap was Detective.
All you saw was: "Pakistan notes ala Yayap"

The word Detective was never even mentioned in his notes (the one you were able to see the title of, not content).


But anyways, fixed player list again. Please point out any more errors you notice.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Read the chats now, of course I should have tried to do more but especially regarding mislynches I wouldn't've been able to pull one off with the mindset I had and adding to that (and glad Russia said it) I had no fucking clue who was safe to lynch. I saw scumreads everywhere and thus I decided to only take the most active players and accelerate vote trains to reduce information being exchanged.

Yea, it's one thing to lynch your allies, it's anothing to start a lynch on them :P Which you never did, so that's good haha

[Orpz]

All part of my defense, the only way to live was to be arrogant and look valuable to the Town

being bratty totally let me live

FM Colombia

liked your play the most

[Apache]

so orpz also did a pretty good thing actually, killing australia, as we thought anyway, was just an error

[Vantas]

so orpz also did a pretty good thing actually, killing australia, as we thought anyway, was just an errorWell yeah but honestly the shot was in the dark xD

[Numbertwo]

being bratty totally let me live

FM Colombia

liked your play the most

Why did you think i was mateo? Does beeing fired from the staff really have that effect?

[Vantas]

Ey Noc. When you play Ghost, try to act more like the person you're possessing so you can actually confuse town and potentially get yourself lynched. That'd be ideal.

[NoctiZ]

Ey Noc. When you play Ghost, try to act more like the person you're possessing so you can actually confuse town and potentially get yourself lynched. That'd be ideal.

I of course had that thought, but to me it was like this: The stupid players are not getting lynched just because I say some stupid stuff when they've been doing it themselves all along.
Active players usually have codes and if I tried to possess one and made myself scummy they would've checked for code more often than not.
And if I had possessed people inbetween I either wouldn't have known if they were scum or how I would get myself lynched if the player hasn't been too scummy up until then.

I just didn't want to actively kill my allies above all.

[Vantas]

I of course had that thought, but to me it was like this: The stupid players are not getting lynched just because I say some stupid stuff when they've been doing it themselves all along.
Active players usually have codes and if I tried to possess one and made myself scummy they would've checked for code more often than not.
And if I had possessed people inbetween I either wouldn't have known if they were scum or how I would get myself lynched if the player hasn't been too scummy up until then.

I just didn't want to actively kill my allies above all.Well at least you would of been more productive than just spamming the chat XD

[Old FM Switzerland]

Orpz, y u no shoot me :(

[Helios]

Well, was a interesting game, once again i made it possible to dont get targetet at all (no idea how XD), with like being confirmed town after D3, still I totally got confused through the shit that was posted in day chat and lurker/afk players, espacially because of my lack of expirience I think.
To that like I said ingame, I just tried to gather as much information as I could, because of the lack of clues and so many fake investigative claims that i just started to ignore them. My night actions were more or less based on assumptions and to confirm things for myself.
Then thanks @Orpz for honoring my M-FM Avatar play (I personally thought I played really bad there lol).

[Old FM Brazil]

Leading town should be the job of dispensable roles like yours. Furthermore you have sufficient WIFOM protection with possible Mafia and Corrupt Journalists around. And why are you so afraid to be fosed? However, acting scummy is not the major issue.

Using your argument, you revealed the Escort to be ghosted...

And USA is in no danger of being lynched anytime soon.

Correct, I was going to lead but because USA pulled that trick, I'm the only one who can cover him that day.

Then after I died I have to install a leader, that is USA.

[Old FM Brazil]

I'm not happy with how my own game ended, but it's good to see that town won. What about FM Iran? Has he used the gun that was given to him?

He did. I think it is a day after you died.

[Dagaen]

Btw, good thing I was ghosted, I'd have pushed for Kenya:P

This was my LW, Kenya sure looked like awesome choice, ech^^


This is Citizen Iran. I'll probably will be ghosted on Day 10 and killed on Night 10, but I need to finally make a decent LW. Might as well start now.

Why scums always claim neutrals? Amazing! I wonder how many scums we have left.

Greenland gave 5 names in his LW, but Australia was dead at the time. So perhaps we have 7 Mafs?

Arabia gave us 9 targets in his LW, but there are 10 players left. However he mentions "cofactor". Greenland never mentioned such name.

Setup has 3 Hidden Anys and 7 Townies left. We can have 2 Mafs left + Ghost. Let's be careful, just in case.

Anyway, here's my reads/logics.

FM Germany - He's clear. Scums were voting him hard in the early D5 (5x88, 5x105), I don't think this is some kind of crazy bus.
FM India - You know what's the difference between newbie and noob? Both have no experience, but newbies want to learn. India is a noob. I think he would be coached hard by his teammates,
but his behavior didn't change so he probably isn't part of any night chat. Argentina pushed him early on D4 (4x250, 4x380), Arabia also tried to push him in 8x16, which is really early.
Town or neutral.
FM Japan - Clear. Voted by Argentina(2x10) and Greenland (2x111). That was early game and Day has just started. There's no way scums would bus their mate.
FM Kenya - My choice. I've already made a case against him, but here's something new - no scum voted him during major pushes, which is VERY suspicious.
FM Mexico - Clear. Voted by Greeland (2x13), majorly pushed by England and Argentina during D3. And confirmed by Costa Rica.
FM Spain - He never really was in a spotlight, defended Greenland a bit, had some fight with Kenya. Not enough for me to clear him, but leaning Town.
FM Switzerland - Under radar. minorly suspected by Argentina in 6x13. not enough to clear him.
FM Thailand - If we even have a neutral here, that's him. Especially his 3x1078 looks weird to me. I have same reasoning as with India - his potential Mafia buddies would tell him to start being serious.
FM USA - U-S-A! U-S-A! This game becomes patriotic bullshit for 'muricans, but I guess you have to please the audience. Anyway, confirmed Town.


So I think Kenya should be next lynch. Hopefully USA will confirm him and/or Switzerland/Thailand. Anyway, I'm pretty sure our scum is hiding somewhere in there.

Happy scumhunting, guys!

[Cryptonic]

Btw, to confirm, Hosts were Bunny & Myself.

We made the setup together, we processed night actions, and she's the one who made sure I posted Day/Night at appropriate times lol.

[Dagaen]

I still can't see night chats, because Ghost took my account and never gave it back:(

Oh wait, maybe old password is working.

[Dagaen]

We made the setup together, we processed night actions, and she's the one who made sure I posted Day/Night at appropriate times lol.

That sounds very romantic!:D

GJ to both of you, greatest FM hosting I've ever seen.

[Cryptonic]

I still can't see night chats, because Ghost took my account and never gave it back:(

Oh wait, maybe old password is working.

Can you not see night chats on main account?

[Dagaen]

OHH, I was looking at Midgard thread. Got them!:D

[Gerik]

Btw, to confirm, Hosts were Bunny & Myself.

We made the setup together, we processed night actions, and she's the one who made sure I posted Day/Night at appropriate times lol.

Bunny helped, eh? That explains why she didn't play. Looks like I owe her thanks as well. Thanks for hosting, Bunny!

[Gerik]

Btw, good thing I was ghosted, I'd have pushed for Kenya:P

This was my LW, Kenya sure looked like awesome choice, ech^^

Yeah, that figures. By the end of the game, everyone thought I was scum. Even the scum! :(

[Vantas]

Lol I told Raven to try to lynch you if she could but that didn't end up working out cause inactivity :c

[Nick]

Hmm... Costa Rica should have got results on me N5 even though she was ghosted D6. Ah because of Sweden then Argentina lynch.

[Numbertwo]

Yeah, that figures. By the end of the game, everyone thought I was scum. Even the scum! :(

I allways thought you were the real bulletproof after you claimed it.

I think the scums would have won this game if i was ghosted instead of iran.

[Apache]

Hmm... Costa Rica should have got results on me N5 even though she was ghosted D6. Ah because of Sweden then Argentina lynch.

what? i got result when i got account back. next day i didnt reveal because of argetina, right

[Vantas]

I allways thought you were the real bulletproof after you claimed it.

I think the scums would have won this game if i was ghosted instead of iran.I disagree, you were Germany, right? I felt as if you helped distract town, and told Spain to maybe shoot for you to be lynched.

[Numbertwo]

I disagree, you were Germany, right? I felt as if you helped distract town, and told Spain to maybe shoot for you to be lynched.

I was the only person that pushed for the spanish lynch. The others would probably have preffered to lynch switzerland and india. The ghost and mafia would have got a vote block by the time they got lynched.

[louiswill]

I was the only person that pushed for the spanish lynch. The others would probably have preffered to lynch switzerland and india. The ghost and mafia would have got a vote block by the time they got lynched.

You were not the only one pushing Spain. I thought Spain would die before Arabia, but I'm proven wrong.

Spain pushed you first on about day 3, that is when he enters my radar range.

One of you two has to be mafia.

If you were not helping USA during that gambit, I might think you as mafia instead of Spain.

So to speak, when did you recognize USA as a solid town?

His double gambit can not be as closely that smooth if not you and Kenya both recognize him.

[louiswill]

The most important day of the game is Day 6, that day was live or death for town literally.

Germany(Numbertwo) and Kenya(Gerik) did their best and avoided the worst outcome.

[Vantas]

The lynch could of easily been avoided if Spain came on and actually defended herself. Iran's a pretty smart dude who would probably look at the logic of it all, which is why I believed that it was good to ghost him. If Spain went completely inactive like that with Iran around, I think he would of been smart enough to notice that and try for a lynch on her.

[Bunny]

Bunny helped, eh? That explains why she didn't play. Looks like I owe her thanks as well. Thanks for hosting, Bunny!

thanks!

[louiswill]

The lynch could of easily been avoided if Spain came on and actually defended herself. Iran's a pretty smart dude who would probably look at the logic of it all, which is why I believed that it was good to ghost him. If Spain went completely inactive like that with Iran around, I think he would of been smart enough to notice that and try for a lynch on her.

Once German is confirmed, Spain has no way to escape. It was too late for him to defend himself as soon as I'm dead.

Spain get + huge scum for not posting interview & pushing Germany, plus he was not that actively participating.

My last will confirms both.

Iran is a good choice but I'd say Japan is equally good too. Town leadership falls on these two shoulders when USA died, ghost has to cripple either one of them.

[louiswill]

thanks!

Thank you. How is the baby?

[Bunny]

Thank you. How is the baby?

oh he's perfect!

[louiswill]

Its been a few months already right, I guess he can already sit/crawl/speak?

[Bunny]

Its been a few months already right, I guess he can already sit/crawl/speak?

lol he's still in my womb. he can suck his thumb and blink and kick me and roll around.

[Numbertwo]

The most important day of the game is Day 6, that day was live or death for town literally.

Germany(Numbertwo) and Kenya(Gerik) did their best and avoided the worst outcome.

Yeah, i didn't know that usa was lying about his detective claim at that time. If kenya was lynched then i would have been lynched the next day for lying about my bulletproof claim.
Together with the poisoner kpn the town would have lost the game.

[louiswill]

Yeah, i didn't know that usa was lying about his detective claim at that time. If kenya was lynched then i would have been lynched the next day for lying about my bulletproof claim.
Together with the poisoner kpn the town would have lost the game.

Exactly, I was super bitter that day because I want to defend Kenya but you and USA suddenly come together make me receiving town bond viber from both of you. Then I thought Kenya would not drop the case because you literally lied.

But he did, and you did too.

Happens in the last two hours of the end of the day.

We made a new train and wrecked the old.

That was a miracle for me.

I think both of you played well under that pressure, making wise choices for town despite how dark it was.

both of you are equally good with USA. It would be sad to say there is only one MVP out of anyone of you.

[Numbertwo]

Becouse it brings out the scums. They see me as a easy target and puts their vote on me.

Sweden,spain and ireland are suspicious indeed.

Spain and Sweden unvotes me shortly after and they both turn out to be scums, lol.

But i guess im right about scums aiming for targets they think are easy to lynch while the town focuses on the more active players.

[Dagaen]

@Saudi Arabia: I was reading scum chat. Writing "toDay" is a something I borrowed from the other site. Day with capital letter means the game-day, while written in lower-case means normal day. It's more clear when game Day lasts many "normal" days:P

[louiswill]

Spain and Sweden unvotes me shortly after and they both turn out to be scums, lol.

But i guess im right about scums aiming for targets they think are easy to lynch while the town focuses on the more active players.

Also I just read night chat awhile ago, they planned to heavy fire me and kenya, (none of us supported vote on witch)

but because of game flow, they end up pressing you without a plan.

The rapid change during the end time of day 6 pretty much shattered their rhythm and we all survived.

Best drama I have ever had.

[Old FM Thailand]

I want LVP

[Vantas]

@Dagaen Ah that actually makes sense. I had a sneaking suspicion that it might of been tied with ML kind of thing but looks like that wasn't the case :P

@Thailand LVP given.

@Bunny On a completely unrelated note, your sig is the most adorable thing I've seen in a while! :D Also congrats on having a kid soon.

[Numbertwo]

@Bunny On a completely unrelated note, your sig is the most adorable thing I've seen in a while! :D

I think her avatar is more adorable.

[Vantas]

I think her avatar is more adorable.She's adorable in her avatar but the
bunny
is
literally
smiling.

Like seriously, that's the most adorable thing! :D (then again it might be cause you all think she's hot and I'm not a guy soooo :P )

[Vantas]

Ok fine you guys win. I tried. I was going to commit death in a more serving way to our country by raining down with planes and bombs but alas that wasn't meant to be. Oil prices gonna be hella high now.
Hey Ghost, would you mind ghosting Iran tonight? K thx.
Alright, so I was thinking about a hit list for night actions. Never really posted one but I’ll jot it down here.
1) USA
2) *fake*
3) Iran
4) Japan
5) Mexico
6) Switzerland
Try to get Kenya, Germany, India, and *fake* lynched if possible. If someone accidentally gets confirmed, kill them before the rest of the list (maybe except for the first 3). We can’t be running around with confirmed people amuck now can we? ;D
I learned quite a bit, though I have to admit I've been getting better through the progression of the game. Fun playing with you guys, I’ll sit and watch on the sidelines and see how this plays out.
Also, to answer the question from last night. I believe the latter (Switzerland), Citizen
I thought I posted this here but I guess not. Welp. Well here's my LW deciphered I guess XD

[Azuriae]

I thought I posted this here but I guess not. Welp. Well here's my LW deciphered I guess XD

Why was I on the hit list and not on the mislynch list?

I was probably the easiest target out there.

[Vantas]

Because I had a feeling my going after you pretty much cleared you, as I was the one to actively start it.

[Bunny]

@Bunny On a completely unrelated note, your sig is the most adorable thing I've seen in a while! :D Also congrats on having a kid soon.

haha i know right!! i wish my bunny would smile like that at me, but hes an evil grump! thanks =)

[Numbertwo]

I once had a bunny. But then i got a dog and then the bunny died:sad:

[Vantas]

I have birds, and they're adorable, but they can be so loud and needy sometimes x_x

[Yayap]

Thoughts on hosting and setup:
The hosts did a superb job, issues were solve rapidly and very few questions about the setup arose that weren't already answered somewhere beforehand. Day/Night posts were right on time +/- a few seconds, feedbacks and night actions were resolved without errors (that I know of) and most of all the setup was solid.

Of all the setups, this was the setup to completely negate most of my analytical skills, by not having death descriptions, a full hidden role list and enough hidden anys and hidden non town to prevent me from guessing the true power of the mafia. Not being able to track who did what kill really limited me.

On top of that, I really enjoyed that there was no lookout or bodyguard which allowed scum to target who they needed to if they took that risk. And the lack of a Mason Leader was perfect to prevent the masons from being OP. 2 masons was optimal for this setup.

So great job.

The only thing I didn't like about the setup was: no coroner with tailor in the rolecards - while the tailor was not included in the game and you had no idea that discussion would resolve around it, not being able to trust the graveyard really hurt town the first few days. I can understand you didn't want to add the coroner because it would nerf the disguiser and SK but we needed something to counter the hypothetical tailor and confirm the graveyard.



Now onto the part I hated most about the game... aka the players:
This has got to be the scummiest towns I've even seen in an FM, where obvious lies are ignored and many people were just way too gullible with bad claims. SoKo's vig claim/hint was a horrible gambit that could have lead to disaster if Poland had controlled her.. even her n3 target, killing Canada instead of Poland "who claimed he was sheriff and had a guilty result on Soko" was a poor choice.

The number of town defending Greenland and Poland was also hard to swallow, even using gambits to clear scum... I'm looking at you Brazil who healed Poland.
As for the greenland topic -> Libya should never had needed to claim, as soon as Columbia said he was a citizen that was not recruited + Egypt's sheriff claim, that should have been enough for any town to realize that Greenland was scum. When would a mafia risk 2 of their own to get a single mislynch?

Then we had the over abusive disguiser/vent/ghost/lawyer codes that really detracted from the game. imo those codes should never have been allowed.

And of course we have the regular issues: AFK players and lurkers and players who don't bother to read the day and just post to say whatever... Having replaced Russia day 2, he hadn't even opened his role PM... which really ticked me off. Hosts do soo much hard work to make a fun setup and game and people that sign up to play don't even bother to read day chat. Shameful.

And what is it with all you citizens that think that your only goal is to get recruited into the masonry? Just play citizen, actually contribute to the day chat - ignore the masons, if we want to recruit you that is our choice - not yours... especially when ML had only 4 charges, I wouldn't want to waste them on people I would think would die soon (colombia) or people that didn't contribute anything of value to most of the daychats (Mexico) Nor would we tell you who all the masons are as soon as we recruited one.

/rant about a bad game with good setup/hosts.

[powerofdeath]

My girlfriend have a pet bunny, she called him Duke because she said he act like hes royal.

[xRavenx]

The lynch could of easily been avoided if Spain came on and actually defended herself. Iran's a pretty smart dude who would probably look at the logic of it all, which is why I believed that it was good to ghost him. If Spain went completely inactive like that with Iran around, I think he would of been smart enough to notice that and try for a lynch on her.I was about to post when the lynch was locked. I was preparing a Lookout claim at the time.

I was incredibly busy the night I had the article to write, so even if I was town I don't think I would have gotten it in on time.

My strategy throughout the game was to try to view it from a town perspective. I had thought Germany was a neutral before he claimed (and I was still uncertain until I tracked him). I made sure I was on lynches of other scum once it was obvious that they would be lynched. My inactivity was my big downfall this game I believe.

[Dagaen]

Mason Chat, Night 4 is perfect summary of this game:D

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26972-FM-XXI-Night-4

[Slaol]

My girlfriend have a pet bunny, she called him Duke because she said he act like hes royal.

You're dating now? How did meeting her parents go?
I'm guessing nothing like this: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/thoughts.png

[louiswill]

Talking about Poland. I want to report him gamethrow unvoting Germany

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[Voss]

lol watchlist warning in FMs

[Yayap]

Some people getting the fm ban list. Thou shall go afk without reason.

[powerofdeath]

You're dating now? How did meeting her parents go?
I'm guessing nothing like this: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/thoughts.png

Nope lol, it was nice, even though her mom tried to show off her daughter, theyre very nice overall.

Yeah we are dating, we are also going to the prom. (cant believe how expensive it is x.x )

[Numbertwo]

I think frog should be put on watch list for afk gamethrowing.

[louiswill]

Talking about inactivity, I think mafia's last will telling SK to kill most active town members and they will handle the rest is a dead giving away of their own identity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZcRU0Op5P4

[Cryptonic]

Talking about inactivity, I think mafia's last will telling SK to kill most active town members and they will handle the rest is a dead giving away of their own identity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZcRU0Op5P4

How?
Suggests to kill near confirmed town.
Near confirmed town dies.

How does that give away their identity? It's not like they're saying "Kill X, Y or Z". It's 1 person who they cleared from being Mafia, and that person was immediately eliminated.

[louiswill]

How?
Suggests to kill near confirmed town.
Near confirmed town dies.

How does that give away their identity? It's not like they're saying "Kill X, Y or Z". It's 1 person who they cleared from being Mafia, and that person was immediately eliminated.


Well, allow me explain from a general pov back to Day 6

Two recyclable information:


I didn't expect to survive today, that evidence was just too damn good.

Serial killer, kill Brazil tonight.
I'd like to avoid you targeting the same people as the mafia so after Brazil why don't you focus the most active town and our guys will get the less active town





FM Argentina was sacrificed!
FM Argentina (8 [L-0]): FM Saudi Arabia, FM Iran, FM Cyprus, FM Spain, FM Costa Rica, FM Thailand, FM Kenya, FM Germany


At that point of game, it is obvious all active players are Mafia Experts, their behavior on a confirmed lead is in general predictable.
So this voting boards means

There is only one train, with solid evidence, in a late game:

Intuitively if mafia is not inactive, the mafia are all on the Argentina train.
Then what about logic?
Whether it is a fact? We can use exclusion from the people who did NOT vote Argentina.

People who did not vote Argentina and are not confirmed town.
FM USA
FM Brazil
FM Japan
FM Mexico
FM India
FM Switzerland

First of all, we exclude USA because he wrote the article and killed Argentina WITHOUT voting.
Then exclude FM Brazil, who is named to be killed.

And then we come to the middle part of town.
Japan, major credit from early event with England, plus a confirm-ble role. (Brazil lied about being doctor)
Mexico, the only active citizen claimer. (Germany was not active until most recent)
If there is a bunch of citizens and one of them is active, it has to be Mexico.

That left us the inactive ones, very sadly, only two.
Technique, lurking mafia will have to get some credit if they want to survive, but those two did not get any credits at all.
Hypothetically if they are mafia, they are basically suiciding. but town have better information.

There are four citizens were dead, plus mexico that is 5.
There is no more citizen claimers. (we know germany is a citizen after game)

That means, if the two were two scums, then town have 2 extra TPR.

There were no 2 extra TPR. That is the contradiction.

So for mafia, none of the two can be mafia at all.

This proves, if there are mafias, they are all on the Argentina's train, otherwise mafia will lose anyway by flow.

But This is not quite confirmed until the mafia tell SK what to do.

Why would mafia want to tell SK what to do?
1. Maximize KPN
2. Avoid Friendlyfire

1 is obvious, but 2 is not.

Mafia tell SK to kill most active town members, that means mafias are not the most active town members.
The 1st tier active players are Cyrus, USA, Iran
USA is already excluded. Now Cyrus and Iran are cleared.
They are all not mafias.

And I already discussed both inactive town are not mafia, but if USA doesn't think so, he can test them by role block.
--which he did.

Then whats left on the train are

FM Saudi Arabia, FM Spain, FM Costa Rica, FM Thailand, FM Kenya, FM Germany

So Kenya and Germany are basically out of the suspects box after what they did to each other and together lynch Sweden.
The two can not both be mafia, and they both recognize USA quite well.

They have a town-town relationship established. (Off topic, mafia can not kill neither Germany or Kenya, because Kenya is not kill-able, and kill Germany confirms Kenya as BP.)

Costa Rica is a investigative claimer. Either mafia has to push lynch on Costa Rica in danger of being found by him or kill Costa Rica at night. (Not only that, he get Cyrus next day, if mafia doesn't have 4 members and lynch SK, they may lose because of low KPN.)

That left Arabia, Spain, Thailand.
The end.


Even if people don't make that far, they should be able to narrow the mafia option down to

Thailand, Arabia, Spain
Or
Kenya, Germany


That's why it was a dead give away, especially from USA's point of view, because he used the redirection to exclude Thailand and Mexico. -- why would a fucking mafia redirect a role-block to their own member riiight.... Japan would know better once USA's last will is revealed.

For mafia that Argentina last will basically make the game end.

[Helios]

Even if people don't make that far, they should be able to narrow the mafia option down to

Thailand, Arabia, Spain
Or
Kenya, Germany


That's why it was a dead give away, especially from USA's point of view, because he used the redirection to exclude Thailand and Mexico. -- why would a fucking mafia redirect a role-block to their own member riiight.... Japan would know better once USA's last will is revealed.

For mafia that Argentina last will basically make the game end.

Yeah that was my main reason to block germany n9 it basically gave me maf, but I thought it would be a bit too easy and that Argentinia lw was supposed to hide a lurker in their team, so I went for India first on D10 (didnt saw that USA went for him n9). Changed then my vote to Spain after i saw someone else going for him, since he was my main suspect, but noone cared about it as I voted him D9 so I waited for support there first.

EDIT: Also i wanted to avoid a claim as long as I could, wich should be obvious why.^^

[Apache]

Who is mvp now?

[Vantas]

@Apache Crypt/Bunny haven't come up with the awards yet so we don't know as of yet.

[Apache]

Well much time has passed and ppl already lose interest in this thread

[Vantas]

I know, but we don't have any right trying to force out the awards from Crypt/Bunny. Though I would like to see them soon as well, but we have to be patient with them. :)

[Cryptonic]

Well much time has passed and ppl already lose interest in this thread


stahp whining, it's been 2 days.

[Forum Mafia GM]

FM XXI AWARDS:



MVP: FM South Korea
Orpz

I really enjoyed watching FM South Korea play. Although it was risky to outwardly claim Vigilante (especially with a Witch in the game), he managed to convince no one of his claim. I found his posts to be a great mixture of WIFOM & discussion; He made himself seem like he was trying to seem important when he really wasn't, and it seemed that everybody fell for it. He was very active in day chat. FM South Korea only got killed at night because the Witch took the risk of sacrificing a Non-Town Killing role to take him out, yet he had provided enough WIFOM to prevent an killing role to risk themselves to kill him. His night actions were great, killing 3 Non-Town with 3 shots. Sure, he may have killed the Ghost, but at least it prevented the Ghost from messing with Day chat to get a misslynch on himself, saving the town a lynch. I was also pleased that he decided to shoot every night; Having an additional town controlled kill really helps town, and I was happy he realized it. His night actions really helped define the roleslist and give town an early advantage, which I attribute to Town's victory.



MVC: FM Iran
Dagaen

I was pleased with Dagaen's play during the game. He was active and provided sound logic in his posts. He made himself seem town enough to receive a gun Night 2. He may have killed a Town member with the gun, but his choice in target increased his town cred. Afterwards, he was discussed much by Scum and had become a priority on their lists. He did well as a Citizen, and I appreciate how much he played.



Best Reads: FM Colombia
_Q2

FM Colombia was easily my favorite player. He posted logical and well thought out posts, and proved that he was actually paying attention to all posts during the day chat. He had solid reads throughout the game and in his last will on many scum players. After death, he had correctly identified the remaining scum roles. If FM Colombia had survived and used this logic to lead town during the day, I would have easily given him FM MVP.



Best Night Actions: FM USA
Boss

Boss definitely used his night action the best out of anybody in the game. His night targets included 7 Non-Town targets out of 9. He had successfully stopped 4 kills throughout the game, and did more than I had expected any protection role to do. Boss was definitely a front runner for FM MVP, and probably would have received it if I had noticed him more during the day chat.





Odin's shout outs:
FM Argentina
FM Brazil
FM Colombia
FM Costa Rica
FM Cyprus
FM Greenland
FM Iran
FM Mexico
FM New Zealand
FM Poland
FM Saudi Arabia
FM South Korea
FM USA

These are the players that I found myself cheering for at various points in the game. This could have been either from posts, choice of night actions, reads, and things written in last wills. I also found these players to really put a lot of time and effort into the game at some point. It may not have been all game for some of you, but you just stood out to me at various points.





Thank you all for playing our game, and we really appreciate the time and effort you all put into it. We're sorry we can't give everybody awards, and we hope no one is let down by our decisions. We hope you all enjoyed playing FM XXI, and congratulations to everyone once again.

[Dagaen]

Yes! I've received Most Vicious Cunt award!:D

[louiswill]

I should receive Best Day Action. Everyone who I interviewed lived longer than me

That are 6 of them.

I totally died after all valuable targets are interviewed and avoid most citizens such as Iran

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[Dagaen]

You receive Most Valuable Journalist award:P

[Kirsche]

GGWP

Bussing teammates hard usually works in games with fewer harmful ITPs, which is what I'm used to, but that got Damus' attention. Wish I used my vest but hindsight is 20/20 and it was smarter to save it for later as my activity was going to skyrocket once Easter hit and if ever, that would be when I'd draw the attention. I don't think I was on anyone's scum lists ever which is cool except maybe Mexico but lolMexico ;/

[NoctiZ]

Hooray, shout out :love:

[Vantas]

Yay first FM on here and got a shoutout! :D

Hopefully I'll play better next time; I feel like I didn't play as well as I could of. Especially with the Student claim. I seriously need to work on my fake claims :P

Well good game all, it was fun playing with you all C: Personal shout outs from me go to _Q2 and Dagaen; you both I believe were influential day figures who lead the town win.

[Apache]

congratz to awarded guys

but i still wonder why odin was so hostile during game

[Cryptonic]

congratz to awarded guys

but i still wonder why odin was so hostile during game

Describe the situation and I'll explain my thoughts/actions lol

[louiswill]

Because I kept pm him annoying questions

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[Apache]

for example you didnt give me access to deadchat just to tease me, you know i'd not cheat, and if i wanted to blocking dead chat can't stop anyway

also you never answered my pms

[Slaol]

If you want hostile hosting I can give you hostile hosting

[Apache]

lol did you still not come over the last mfm slaol

[Slaol]

lol did you still not come over the last mfm slaol

Oh no I'm Gucci. I just didn't notice any hostility or of Crypt this game. Definitely not like me xD
Gerik will be taking over the question answering moving forward for us lol. I get too annoyed at simple questions

[Cryptonic]

for example you didnt give me access to deadchat just to tease me, you know i'd not cheat, and if i wanted to blocking dead chat can't stop anyway

also you never answered my pms


I didn't answer most PMs unless they were questions about mechanics/roles.


And I didn't prevent you deadchat access to tease you. You attempted to make a way to communicate after death. Even if it was a joke, I didn't want to take a chance of you using it to transfer information from dead chat to living players. Blocking dead chat doesn't prevent you from cheating, no, but it does prevent you from learning things that you didn't already know and THEN cheating.

If anyone was hostile in the situation, it was the person threatening to cheat.

[_Q2]

Woo, thanks for that award! I'll be looking forward to playing the next FM game. 8D

[Orpz]

thank you :love:

long live brodin

[Apache]

lol how was i hostile i never threatened that, i just showed you that you allowing them to turn off inv mode for some reason could allow them cheating and even if you would have seen them making it up they wouldnt even break a rule, nowhere it said dead ppl cant do that
and i didnt even make an effective way, if i wanted i wouldve set it up so i can give a binary value every hour, i read is 1 and i dont read is 0 then for letter 0-25 i would need 5 hours for a letter that's more than 14 letters a day+night

@slaol: i didnt mean day chat

[Cryptonic]

lol how was i hostile i never threatened that, i just showed you that you allowing them to turn off inv mode for some reason could allow them cheating and even if you would have seen them making it up they wouldnt even break a rule, nowhere it said dead ppl cant do that
and i didnt even make an effective way, if i wanted i wouldve set it up so i can give a binary value every hour, i read is 1 and i dont read is 0 then for letter 0-25 i would need 5 hours for a letter that's more than 14 letters a day+night

@slaol: i didnt mean day chat


Using a communication method not intended by the host is considered under Rule #1, see: "ect." This isn't law, I'm not going to add 100 clauses to every single rule to cover every single method of cheating.

Also, I know you were showing me that it could have been used for cheating. That's why I showed you that if they had made that code, they would have also been barred from dead chat and I would have forced invisible on their account.

If you don't think that this would be cheating, then you must also think using Lag Chat in sc2mafia is a legitimate strategy.

[Citrus]

lol how was i hostile i never threatened that, i just showed you that you allowing them to turn off inv mode for some reason could allow them cheating and even if you would have seen them making it up they wouldnt even break a rule, nowhere it said dead ppl cant do that
and i didnt even make an effective way, if i wanted i wouldve set it up so i can give a binary value every hour, i read is 1 and i dont read is 0 then for letter 0-25 i would need 5 hours for a letter that's more than 14 letters a day+night

@slaol: i didnt mean day chat

Apache that's fucking garbage. If you're going to accuse me of trying to cheat, come out and say it.

I said it in the grave yard and I'll say it here. If I wanted to cheat I'd do it without being obvious. Shame on you for accusing someone of that, even in jest, and shame on you for implying the mods would be careless enough to allow cheating to occur right under their noses.

[Apache]

Using a communication method not intended by the host is considered under Rule #1, see: "ect." This isn't law, I'm not going to add 100 clauses to every single rule to cover every single method of cheating.

Also, I know you were showing me that it could have been used for cheating. That's why I showed you that if they had made that code, they would have also been barred from dead chat and I would have forced invisible on their account.

If you don't think that this would be cheating, then you must also think using Lag Chat in sc2mafia is a legitimate strategy.
ofc it's cheating

Apache that's fucking garbage. If you're going to accuse me of trying to cheat, come out and say it.

I said it in the grave yard and I'll say it here. If I wanted to cheat I'd do it without being obvious. Shame on you for accusing someone of that, even in jest, and shame on you for implying the mods would be careless enough to allow cheating to occur right under their noses.

lol WHERE did i accuse you. i didnt even mention you. i didnt read dead chat because i dont have access
and i never thought someone would really abuse it anyway lol
i also didnt imply anything about host, really i dont see what i did wrong

[Apache]

and if at all i was suspected/accused of cheating

[Cryptonic]

no one did anything wrong, everyone calm yer tits.

Apache, some advice from me would be not to even hint about a method of cheating during a game. If you had concerns, you should've PM'd me about them.

[Citrus]

ofc it's cheating


lol WHERE did i accuse you. i didnt even mention you. i didnt read dead chat because i dont have access
and i never thought someone would really abuse it anyway lol
i also didnt imply anything about host, really i dont see what i did wrong

I was Greenland, and you continually brought up the idea that I was communicating to the rest of the mafia by the fact that invisible was off + I was visiting the thread. And I only turned it off after Odin explicitly gave permission in dead chat to do so, I didn't just turn it off when I got there.

[AppleyNO]

*Walks in thread*

Yep, end of FM game rage. Like usual.

*Walks out*

[Citrus]

*Walks in thread*

Yep, end of FM game rage. Like usual.

*Walks out*

:(

[Gerik]

Congrats on the MVP Orpz! And congrats to all those awarded/mentioned by the hosts! GG. Looking forward to FM 22! :D

[Apache]

I was Greenland, and you continually brought up the idea that I was communicating to the rest of the mafia by the fact that invisible was off + I was visiting the thread. And I only turned it off after Odin explicitly gave permission in dead chat to do so, I didn't just turn it off when I got there.

i only said once ppl could use it to cheat and iirc mentioned only that you are reading atm. besides i didnt even know who greenland was so how can you take it personal
but yea crypt is right

[Nick]

Ah cheating. Very easy!

Disguised in SC2Mafia? Pause the game!
Disguised in FMs? Camp your COM account at the day thread with invisible mode off!

Apache lacked tact by publicly implying that Greenland is a cheat and hosts are incompetent. Valid concerns but not communicated properly.

Congrats to Crypt and Bunny for a game well hosted.

[Nick]

Oh and congrats to winners too.

[Apache]

again, i didnt imply anything

[ika]

again, i didnt imply anything

implied? not exactly
suggested an hihgly unlikely idea about something? yes

you more or less, accused them of cheating or having a means of cheating by abusing invisi mode

i mean really the best someone might gleam from it is timeframe they are on and then maybe com

basicly what nick said, you got up about them using it as possible means of cheating (like almost every game), host merly was showing you he had everything under control. you really need to learn to not get so up about things and ust let it take its course. if someone was going to put in the effort or something like that to send a message, then they really have nothing. Plus they would have to set it up in daychat (which would be knwon to everyone), or in night chat (where host would know and then say no to). if they set it up outside of game, then OGC and modkill.

Like cirtus said, its 10 times easier to cheat by other means (communicate elsewhere) then to do something elaborate as that.

people complain about the encryptions and tailors and all that stuff, something that host put in as possiblities. complaining about someone cheating in a really hard to do manner w/o host knowing. Wait until it happens b4 you complain.

[Apache]

the only thing i complained about is that dead ppl can turn off invisible mode because it could be used for cheating. then i showed you how.
now stop the wining

[Vantas]

Greenland said nothing about his online/offline status in mafia chat, Host would of pointed that out if the online status meant something.

[Apache]

i know...

[Vantas]

Therefore, host would logically know if it's used as a means for cheating, and he knew what he was doing when he said it wasn't lmao

[Nick]

So next is FM Avatar by Slaol and Gerik?

[Citrus]

So next is FM Avatar by Slaol and Gerik?

I think the previously delayed FM is in line next? Depending on when it would potentially start (M-FM first though)

[Dagaen]

Apache is one angry chopper.

[Apache]

i'm actually not angry at all

[Cryptonic]

i'm actually not angry at all

stop yelling :(

[Apache]

if they'd stop accusing me^^

[Cryptonic]

aight er1 stfu, no 1 cheated nor nuttin. apache ain't sayn greeny was cheatn, he just b sayn dat he cud uz dat way 2 b cheatn.

apache demonstr8d how it cud b dun, sy demonstr8d wat ido if sum1 cheatn.

case closed

-cryptonic
co-head vigilante
8)

[Slaol]

I am mad about the cheating

[louiswill]

I think if there is a cheating like that, it is neglectable.


Suppose you know there is a mafia disguiser and able to notice it.

How will you convince everyone without outrageously say I knew it because I cheat?

How will others react to you, if you suddenly point finger at a disguiser without analysis?

It is still a fairsqaure game of whether disguiser would be able to mimic the previous owner's behavior and get itself out of it.

The cheating just doesn't matter.

Samething to self-confirmable code.

[Gerik]

So next is FM Avatar by Slaol and Gerik?


I think the previously delayed FM is in line next? Depending on when it would potentially start (M-FM first though)

Yayap will host FM 22. Slaol and myself will host FM 23.

[Slaol]

Yayap will host FM 22. Slaol and myself will host FM 23.

STOP GIVING AWAY ALL OUR SECRETS!!! HFIDNDAIDNI WDKDWONI #8 39DINCD $T #R@!E#RFE# IF) J#FNF

[louiswill]

STOP GIVING AWAY ALL OUR SECRETS!!! HFIDNDAIDNI WDKDWONI #8 39DINCD $T #R@!E#RFE# IF) J#FNF

cabbage vendor sold out all secrets in cheap price already.

[Citrus]

cabbage vendor sold out all secrets in cheap price already.

Nah more like I got vent'd QQ

Excited for Avatar the finale though, finally a last chance to win one of those damn games

[Voss]

so when is 22 coming out?

[Cryptonic]

Sometime after next mfm

[Forum Mafia GM]

so when is 22 coming out?

>.> When I feel like it.