S-FM 132: Do You Even Lift?

[Orpz]

Link to Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26947-S-FM-Do-You-Even-Lift)

"You do weightlifting. Too bad you do machines; they're the ones lifting, you're not."

Blessed be all Bros who have chosen to follow in Brodin's footsteps. The summer is short and thus your time must be well rationed to maximize your gains. Kind as the Brorse gods are, a pantheon is not complete without a malevolent being. Broki has whispered into the ears of two Bros, corrupting them into skipping certain workouts. These fake Bros seek to minimize gains of themselves and others. As per his Swoliness Brodin's request, the Bros must purge them before their trickery wins out and our heroes miscount their macros.

And then there is the Frog, the odd one. He does not follow Brodin. His aims are not set on ordinary gains, they are set on the title of Mr. Olympia. His goal is to workout as long as he can.

Welcome to Gold's Gym.

Player's List:
1. Jaczac
2. Citrus
3. Powerofdeath
4. Louiswill
5. Damus_Graves
6. ThinkLiveLife
7. Gerik
8. ika
9. Slaol
10. Frog
11. RLVG
12. Apocist
13. Vantas

7

Day ends at 8:00 PM PST. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=May+5+8%3A00+PM+PST)

I expect everyone to have read the setup and know that Frog is a role as well as a player.

[jaczac]

Bro do you even lift?

[powerofdeath]

bro

[jaczac]

bro

[powerofdeath]

I am with mickey mouse! He wishes the sc2 mafia players good luck! He said he played sc2 sometimes.

[jaczac]

Does mickey lift?

[ika]

frog

obviously we need to rid of frog role first so everyone sheep me

[Vantas]

More importantly, what would Mickey look like if he lifted?

[jaczac]

Alright then

Seems like a good play

-vote frog


this is how you format it right? I forget

[Vantas]

http://sillyme123.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/moste2808be2808bmousecular.jpg
God help me.

#SHEEPSHEEPSHEEP
Frog

[jaczac]

Oops, just reread the instructions,
how exactly do you do the vote tag?



also Oh my that mickey

I.. I dont really know

[Vantas]

@jaczac To vote, you gotta do this:

[*vote]person[*/vote]

[jaczac]

@jaczac To vote, you gotta do this:

[*vote]person[*/vote]

Frog

[Damus_Graves]

I'm a wats up

[jaczac]

I think you may have accidentally a word Damus

[Helz]

http://assets.explainthisimage.com/hashed_silo_content/silo_content/16984/resized/wtf-pics-pink-guy.jpg

Be careful what you say about my bro.. He lifts

[jaczac]

http://assets.explainthisimage.com/hashed_silo_content/silo_content/16984/resized/wtf-pics-pink-guy.jpg

Be careful what you say about my bro.. He lifts
Oh god why
why...

[Helz]

Sense this is a golds gym we all know that Grunting Gil is a confirmed role.

[jaczac]

Sense this is a golds gym we all know that Grunting Gil is a confirmed role.
Am I missing a reference

[Helz]

Am I missing a reference

No joke. Every time I have gone to a golds gym there is some guy making a ton of noise curling 20 lbs. Usually the kind of overweight one with the high altitude training mask hanging out of his fanny pack.

[powerofdeath]

Lololol

[powerofdeath]

Bro do you even lift?

Of course bro!


bro

broooo....


Does mickey lift?

Hell yes! He lift so hard, scroll down for proof!


Alright then

Seems like a good play

-vote frog


this is how you format it right? I forget


nub and sheep bro


Oops, just reread the instructions,
how exactly do you do the vote tag?



also Oh my that mickey

I.. I dont really know

nub, and i told you so bro


I think you may have accidentally a word Damus

bro wut?


Oh god why
why...

told you bro


Am I missing a reference

nub

[powerofdeath]

jaczac

my brohunt is tingling!

[Slaol]

Holy shit man dude check dis sweet rip yo I am gonna get so fucking ripped dude. Jacked. Jacked. Jacked. Jacked. Jacked

[Slaol]

-Spot Gerik

[powerofdeath]

No joke. Every time I have gone to a golds gym there is some guy making a ton of noise curling 20 lbs. Usually the kind of overweight one with the high altitude training mask hanging out of his fanny pack.

I wouldn't know, I'm glad I don't grunt irl. (or I assume I don't).

[Gerik]

Gold's Gym? Why did I sign up for this shit gym?

[powerofdeath]

Gold's Gym? Why did I sign up for this shit gym?

Cuz yo mama forced you to get out of your ass from playing too much sc2

[Damus_Graves]

So guise. Im pretty sure I don't lift.

[Apocist]

Hey, frog can just be used as a distraction of the lazies, dood

[powerofdeath]

MAY THE FOURTH BE WITH YOU!!!

CINCO DE MAYO!!!

[powerofdeath]

Alright, I will be out most of the day tomorrow because I am still on vacation until May 7th.

[Apocist]

Alright, I will be out most of the day tomorrow because I am still on vacation until May 7th.

THAT'S HIM! HE'S A SLACKER

powerofdeath

[louiswill]

If we kill frog, we can't be swole.


SQUATS
DEADLIFTS
BENCH PRESS
PULLUPS

so, let me guess, does everyone want to do exercise secretly?

[jaczac]

jaczac

my brohunt is tingling!
Ouch bro

I thought we had something going here

So... It was all just a lie

[louiswill]

I only want to lynch people who isn't swollen evenly.

Why is vacation an excuse for not working out?

[louiswill]

Tardy Tim
*You use a busy schedule as an excuse to skip the gym, receive Brospect rolecard
*If you are lynched, you'll survive because you aren't even at the gym
*If you have the biggest minority vote on you when a lynch happens, you'll be lynched instead because you don't lift

[louiswill]

vote powerofdeath is the best way to protect him seems. Tardy Tim.

powerofdeath

[louiswill]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGhfrW0qu1S03o9YXphf80g_RVvkcCg kxi9GE0E7Msyjka37Za

[louiswill]

http://a.abcnews.com/images/WNN/140122_atm_arnold_goldsgym_wg.jpg
A Form Advice Frank?

[jaczac]

Heil tardy tim

powerofdeath

[Helz]

If we kill frog, we can't be swole.


SQUATS
DEADLIFTS
BENCH PRESS
PULLUPS

so, let me guess, does everyone want to do exercise secretly?

Given if we do not we face a 3 KPN yeah.. Im not sure why you would even bring it up.

[louiswill]

Given if we do not we face a 3 KPN yeah.. Im not sure why you would even bring it up.

I want to see how many people are playing seriously. Such as you! I guess you will die very soon. Killers do not like serious Bros.

[Citrus]

I want to see how many people are playing seriously. Such as you! I guess you will die very soon. Killers do not like serious Bros.

Bro pls

[Citrus]

Your soft claims are obvious. Unlike your abs. Where they even at?

[Citrus]

-Spot Gerik

The bro has a spotter, he can lift more weight

Gerik

[louiswill]

Ikr? Pod soft claimed tardy tim, so obvious. We should keep his vote at a even level of the other one.

[Helz]

I want to see how many people are playing seriously. Such as you! I guess you will die very soon. Killers do not like serious Bros.

I have this theory.. Players only have a lean to semi-lurk because other players do it. If everyone really played as opposed to trying to lurk to the late game the game as a whole would benefit. I doubt it will ever happen though.

[Helz]

On a side note troll votes are totally anti-town because Tardy Tim exists. If its not a pressure vote for information its a foolish move that has outstanding potential to create 1 dead townie..

[ika]

nothing of intrest. good to know

[jaczac]

Well...

Thinklivelife does make sense... It would be extremely stupid to accidently lynch someone becauseof a troll/joke d1 vote

-unvote powerofdeath

[Orpz]

To unvote properly, type [unvote][ /unvote]

[Citrus]

To unvote properly, type [unvote][ /unvote]

[unvote][ /unvote]

[Gerik]

The bro has a spotter, he can lift more weight

Gerik

wut

[Slaol]

wut

wut is your role?

[Gerik]

wut is your role?

dis guy fish role. scumz. pls lynch.

[Slaol]

dis guy fish role. scumz. pls lynch.

Hmm. Alright guys, here is how we do the Gerik test.

If we suspect him by day 2- town.
If we don't suspect him- lynch him.

[Gerik]

Hmm. Alright guys, here is how we do the Gerik test.

If we suspect him by day 2- town.
If we don't suspect him- lynch him.

This is accurate.

[RLVG]

Sup bro's and brooo's.

[Vantas]

Ooh right forgot about Tardy Tim.
Frog

To me it seems like we should put him on full lynch no matter what. If he's Tardy Tim he lives. If he's not then he's killed anyway and he lied.

[Apocist]

So as long as we have a single vote on pod(tardy tim), he could still be lynched?

[powerofdeath]

Tardy Tim- Receive Brospect Role Card

Louiswill for trying to vote a guy who soft claimed Tardy Tim.

[powerofdeath]

I also fos Apocist.

[powerofdeath]

Anyway, I'm off to Hollywood Studios, I might be back by end of the day(if this is 24 hours day)

[Vantas]

@Apocist Yes, as long as no one else is voted at the current moment. I believe in order for Tardy Tim to be lynched they gotta be the biggest non-occurring lynch.

[Apocist]

@Apocist Yes, as long as no one else is voted at the current moment. I believe in order for Tardy Tim to be lynched they gotta be the biggest non-occurring lynch.

It says that Tim will be lynched INSTEAD of the majority voted target. But does also mean that will happen even if a lynch doesn't occur?

[Vantas]

*If you have the biggest minority vote on you when a lynch happens, you'll be lynched instead because you don't lift No, cause it states when a lynch happens, not in general.

[Damus_Graves]

gerik
I dun liff em

[jaczac]

Arg, need to refresh on my tag knowldge

[Vantas]

@Damus ;O; you weak you don't even lift

[Damus_Graves]

Budding detected. Vantas w/ Gerik

[Slaol]

Damus_Graves

Dude, can you grab me a protein shake?

[louiswill]

I'm going to have a night of squat.

[louiswill]

I expect no one is lynched day one, since slim tardy isn't going to die without a lynch anyway, I'd say it was a good call.

[louiswill]

I fos Pod, his attitude is weird in personal opinion.

[RLVG]

Frog (1 [L-6]):
ika

louiswill (1 [L-6]):
powerofdeath

powerofdeath (2 [L-5]):
Apocist, louiswill

Gerik (2 [L-5]):
Citrus, Damus_Graves

Damus_Graves (1 [L-6]):
Slaol



The votes are really, really spread out.
My way of greeting and to spread the votes more. ika

Can someone give me some meat without fat? Need that natural protein.

[Helz]

Can someone give me some meat without fat? Need that natural protein.

Tuna mac- Make a thing of easy mack and mix in a can of tuna. It sounds weird but its great brah

[jaczac]

Ok RLVG if you insist

RLVG


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[powerofdeath]

I fos Pod, his attitude is weird in personal opinion.

So youre calling me weird ;(

Are you scum Louiswill? Are you?

[Gerik]

Budding detected. Vantas w/ Gerik

luv yew.

[Gerik]

luv yew.

Buddying detected: Gerik w/ Damus

[RLVG]

Buddying detected: Gerik w/ Damus

Gerik found a scum-slip.
Gerik Town-read.

[Damus_Graves]

Nuuuuu staph et...!!!

[Vantas]

Buddying detected: Gerik w/ DamusYour detective skills are inconceivable.
http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/uexc_attach/50267_185245059686_1261550_n.jpg

[louiswill]

what's wrong with buddy?

I'm 7 grain.

[ika]

powerofdeath

if hes going to wifom a role that is unknown to the user, we should test it

[Vantas]

We shouldn't be going for the lynch when all we have is troll posts all day. There isn't enough info to do so, even if there is a soft claim.

[louiswill]

We shouldn't be going for the lynch when all we have is troll posts all day. There isn't enough info to do so, even if there is a soft claim.

Don't worry too much, just do exercise. They do not have the gut to lynch day 1.

In fact, I'm the only one would lynch in day one last whole year even without a scum claim.

Since I already voted, we are all safe.

[powerofdeath]

powerofdeath

if hes going to wifom a role that is unknown to the user, we should test it

Please state where I tried to wifom as Tardy Tim. I don't mean to wifom as him. I really am on a vacation :p

Anyway, since this is gonna be a troll day, instead of scum-hunt, let spectate some roles.

Which roles do you think are in the game? How likely do you think the killers will be able to multi kill? Which role do you want to get rid of the most? Beside the confirmable role, which role do you believe is the most op role? Any host meta?

[louiswill]

Isn't that a perfect wifom with a perfect real life excuse? You can blame on real life anytime anyhow.

I'm surprisingly seeing you do it already. I thought you would delay till tomorrow at least.

My Guess

http://a.abcnews.com/images/WNN/140122_atm_arnold_goldsgym_wg.jpg
A Form Advice Frank?

[powerofdeath]

Isn't that a perfect wifom with a perfect real life excuse? You can blame on real life anytime anyhow.

I'm surprisingly seeing you do it already. I thought you would delay till tomorrow at least.

My Guess

Not really wifom, youre just overthinking it.

[Apocist]

Not really wifom, youre just overthinking it.

You could just be trying to make us think that we're over thinking it.

[ika]

Please state where I tried to wifom as Tardy Tim. I don't mean to wifom as him. I really am on a vacation :p

Anyway, since this is gonna be a troll day, instead of scum-hunt, let spectate some roles.

Which roles do you think are in the game? How likely do you think the killers will be able to multi kill? Which role do you want to get rid of the most? Beside the confirmable role, which role do you believe is the most op role? Any host meta?

boled is merly a partial example, a bad one but still an example netherless. I'm just lazy to go look for others. but if you are going to rolefish then i have nothing to say. there are no jesters, no stupid shit like that so thats the thing.

[louiswill]

Not really wifom, youre just overthinking it.

No one indicate non-sense in mafia except few people.

For example, Damus is playing as spoderman in recent few games even so he wouldn't release any even slightest decoy without some thinking behind.

You too, man. unless you want to approve it otherwise.

I think you might be just a Bro who foreshadow the Tardy Tim.

I'm not saying it because I know exactly.

It is just a guess laying in range of possibility.

No worry, you won't be lynched anyway.

[Apocist]

Today is just Troll Day afterall

[louiswill]

Today is MONsteroll day.

[ika]

know an easy way to counter both scums atm?

we never chose where we work out. Makes scums have to go by pure luck instead of trying to logic or deduct.

[Apocist]

Doesn't choosing where to workout still force them to rely on pure luck?

[louiswill]

Oh apocist, tell me something you like about <mysiscantbethiscute>?

Lets be off topic.

[Helz]

know an easy way to counter both scums atm?

we never chose where we work out. Makes scums have to go by pure luck instead of trying to logic or deduct.

I think this is an outstanding idea.

[Apocist]

Oh apocist, tell me something you like about <mysiscantbethiscute>?

Lets be off topic.

I think Kuroneko is adorable (GingerRape <3)

[louiswill]

Doesn't choosing where to workout still force them to rely on pure luck?

I don't think so. The mechanic is obviously designed in purpose.

We should place ourselves at dayskipper's angle to think what to do.

[ika]

Doesn't choosing where to workout still force them to rely on pure luck?

not if you hint it in thread. if everyone doesnt chose, when ppl find leads it can shrink down the pool.

skip leg:
*You may not choose Squats as your nightly workout

skip back:
*You may not choose Deadlifts as your nightly workout

so if we all random we can start eliminating who is who

this also forces frog to play during day if hes going to coordinate who eh wants to target who.

We could all just claim 3 workouts we will choose from each night and then claim the one we went to and try to find inconsitencies to find ho was frog targeted and who is merly lying

[louiswill]

I think Kuroneko is adorable (GingerRape <3)

Is she tsundere?

[ika]

also if cardio and jerk find opposing results on a player, we can conclude it would be frog

frog role:
*Cardio Craigs and Jerkface Jon will see you work out at only 1 random'd Exercise, not necessarily the same for both

[louiswill]

I agree, random is the best.

Either skippers will killing in some order or they don't.

If they kill in some order then random will be the best way to even odds.

If they don't they might not be able to kill effectively.

And they can't even lift!

Our real problem is probably frog.

I have no idea what frog would do, force us to exercise in some order or break the random some how?

[Apocist]

Is she tsundere?

Kirino is Tsun

[ika]

My work here is done, everyone put in night actions but dont chose a workout place. True randomness is the ultimate counter.

D2 and investigavies and give out a possible leasd and then we can try to logicly deduct the scums.

[powerofdeath]

I think it would be easier to just use random.org instead of letting the host "random" You would know where you actually worked out(if host doesnt give us feedback)

[RLVG]

My work here is done, everyone put in night actions but dont chose a workout place. True randomness is the ultimate counter.

D2 and investigavies and give out a possible leasd and then we can try to logicly deduct the scums.

I was planning Random to begin with, so I'm fine with this idea.

My workout schedule :
5 AM - 11 AM : Jump-A-Rope
2 PM - 7 PM : Jump-A-Rope
8 PM - 11 PM : Jump-A-Rope

[ika]

I think it would be easier to just use random.org instead of letting the host "random" You would know where you actually worked out(if host doesnt give us feedback)

that allows ppl to lie, if host randoms it they cant lie and have to go with what host choses.

also it counters frog forcing ppl to go somewhere else. all stories have to be as are then.

Example:
n1
I go to A but forg forces me to B

the next day i say i went to A but was shown at B, it makes a contridiction

if we have no control over where we go we cant make contridictions and makes frogs power useless

[ika]

in otherwords pod:

using random.org is not true random, you are letting somone (or in this case something) chose for you and you know what it chose. if we let host decide we can never know

[Apocist]

I was planning Random to begin with, so I'm fine with this idea.

My workout schedule :
5 AM - 11 AM : Jump-A-Rope
2 PM - 7 PM : Jump-A-Rope
8 PM - 11 PM : Jump-A-Rope

Nah, Apo's pretty much going Deadweights

[RLVG]

using random.org is not true random, you are letting somone (or in this case something) chose for you and you know what it chose. if we let host decide we can never know

We don't use Random.Org so that the host can.
GENIUS

[powerofdeath]

The host would just use random.org anyway.

[ika]

The host would just use random.org anyway.

yes, but we dont know what the host got on random.org. understand the diffrence?

[powerofdeath]

yes, but we dont know what the host got on random.org. understand the diffrence?

it would be so much easier for scums to fake investigative roles that determine your exercises

[RLVG]

yes, but we dont know what the host got on random.org. understand the diffrence?

So all that supports this movement, don't PM the host.

That's fine?

[ika]

it would be so much easier for scums to fake investigative roles that determine your exercises

how? they make it up, big deal. it would solve nothign b/c then they are stuck to that claim and would have to keep it up. then when they dont die at night you question why they are alive still

one of those 2 gets a garenteed kill each nght so if they are still alive 2 days later you start questionign it

[Vantas]

I think we should definitely know what we got and not leave it up to host. We need to make logical decisions based off of the situation at hand and the more information we have when we're basically the uninformed majority, the better.

@Ika What the heck's the point of randomizing your night action in the first place?

[ika]

pod is not a regular bro. target him tonight

k thanks.

[Helz]

Please state where I tried to wifom as Tardy Tim. I don't mean to wifom as him. I really am on a vacation :p

Anyway, since this is gonna be a troll day, instead of scum-hunt, let spectate some roles.

Which roles do you think are in the game? How likely do you think the killers will be able to multi kill? Which role do you want to get rid of the most? Beside the confirmable role, which role do you believe is the most op role? Any host meta?

My bet is that Spotter Scott will be in the game. Additionally either Cardio Craig, Form advice frank or Jerkface John will appear with a lean to only one of them showing up if Frank is in the game. But... "Players list randomized, roles are randomized, role assignment randomized." so really there is no point in speculating roles with logic..

Right now I would rather see Grunting Gil die because I am scum

The roles are pretty balanced with the exception of frog. Because he visits every exercise every night I really do not see any chance of him surviving. He will be dead night 3.

Host Meta-
Orpz is very likely smoking a spliff and sipping on a 40 right now while he snickers at the lack of questions regarding his setup. Sense I think thats the case I have a few.

OoO says Skipper kills. Does this mean only one of the two players may kill each night?

Do the skippers know who etch other are?

Do Skippers share a night chat?

Does frog "Have" to make 2 players work additional exercises or can he opt to not do so?


SLD-
75% chance of a kill (15.38% chance of hitting an invulnerable target)
25.2% chance of a double kill
1.56% chance of a triple kill


SBD-
15.38% chance of hitting an invulnerable target so a 84.62% chance of his first kill slot.
Second kill slot is a 25% shot, once again with a 15.38% chance of hitting an invulnerable target

[powerofdeath]

how? they make it up, big deal. it would solve nothign b/c then they are stuck to that claim and would have to keep it up. then when they dont die at night you question why they are alive still

one of those 2 gets a garenteed kill each nght so if they are still alive 2 days later you start questionign it

still not convinced, we could use these roles to help us find out if players could do exercises scums cant use.

[Vantas]

Right now I would rather see Grunting Gil die because I am scum You know day's serious at this point, right?

[ika]

I think we should definitely know what we got and not leave it up to host. We need to make logical decisions based off of the situation at hand and the more information we have when we're basically the uninformed majority, the better.

@Ika What the heck's the point of randomizing your night action in the first place?

not night actions, workout place.

the scums kill via exercise, frog focrce contridictions.

if you merly allow randomness on exercises you counter both.

again look at the example:

I go to A but frog makes me go to B, contridiction and can be easy myslynch.

If you never say and just allow host to chose, then frog becomes usless.

also if host randoms, we could have a potnetal that we all end up in same place or many in one location and then could eliminate ppl from there.

[powerofdeath]

You know day's serious at this point, right?

I like how you changed the posted by TTL to PoD.

Anyway, I would still prefer that we would know WHICH exercises we use while we are still randoming then.

[ika]

still not convinced, we could use these roles to help us find out if players could do exercises scums cant use.

im done trying to convince you. Some others already agree to go random so unless if you have reasons to better organization, random is how im doing it for the entire game

[ika]

I like how you changed the posted by TTL to PoD.

Anyway, I would still prefer that we would know WHICH exercises we use while we are still randoming then.

knowing which one you chose is not randoming it to true randomness, it slective randoming

[powerofdeath]

the host will random.org our exercises, it would be better if we random.org them ourselves. Do what you want to do, I don't have to follow your plan.

[Helz]

If you never say and just allow host to chose, then frog becomes usless.

I disagree. The point of frog forcing a second workout is that killer pairings are more likely. Unless he is required to do so it is by far in his best interest to pick no forced actions.

[Helz]

I guess I should ask the host to clarify-

Is frog forcing a workout an additional workout or does it just make that players workout what he wants it to be.

[Vantas]

@Pod Oh whoops I saw you posted above me and my mind went to replying to that xD

@TTl Quote I posted last post of mine goes to you.

@Ika Well couldn't we just take that fact into consideration that it's possible Frog could mess with workouts and be done with it? It seems like to me it'd be better to have the information and if someone claims and it's 100% accurate then they're confirmed but if it isn't a match then that doesn't mean 100% that they're faking the claim. Otherwise scums could completely randomize their claims and be done with it, and we'd have no way of disproving.

I keep seeing in the role cards something called "Protein Shakes". What are they, and what purpose do they serve in the game?

[Helz]

You know day's serious at this point, right?

Sure. Stupid questions get a stupid answer though.

[Vantas]

And you post saying you're scum? I mean I could see it being a trolling effort, which is why I asked said question, but other than that that's a claim that gets you lynched in general.

[Helz]

I keep seeing in the role cards something called "Protein Shakes". What are they, and what purpose do they serve in the game?

I am pretty sure Protein Shakes are "Charges" for night actions. So for example Frank will only be able to act every other night.

[powerofdeath]

@Pod Oh whoops I saw you posted above me and my mind went to replying to that xD

@TTl Quote I posted last post of mine goes to you.

@Ika Well couldn't we just take that fact into consideration that it's possible Frog could mess with workouts and be done with it? It seems like to me it'd be better to have the information and if someone claims and it's 100% accurate then they're confirmed but if it isn't a match then that doesn't mean 100% that they're faking the claim. Otherwise scums could completely randomize their claims and be done with it, and we'd have no way of disproving.

I keep seeing in the role cards something called "Protein Shakes". What are they, and what purpose do they serve in the game?

I completely agree with you. Glad to know I am not the only one.

[ika]

@Ika Well couldn't we just take that fact into consideration that it's possible Frog could mess with workouts and be done with it? It seems like to me it'd be better to have the information and if someone claims and it's 100% accurate then they're confirmed but if it isn't a match then that doesn't mean 100% that they're faking the claim. Otherwise scums could completely randomize their claims and be done with it, and we'd have no way of disproving.

im not exactly sure what you are asking/saying here. but if im reading it correctly, yes he can. but heres how i see it:

he exist to mess up who goes where and casue contridictions of who went where.

This means if the player is a regular bro all that they can say is frog changed me. Then we are sitting here specing on to lyncht he bro or not. If the bro has no controll or knowlage of where he went, then he cant creat contridictions.

In otherwords: unless you can prove yourself by a role, your best corse of action is to not chose an exersice.

[ika]

pod and vat are not regular bros.

[ika]

or most liekly arent atm

[powerofdeath]

pod and vat are not regular bros.

What make you say that? Are you trying to rolefish?

[Frog]

Greetings Broseidons, Helz asks great questions publically, it leads me to believe he is a true Bro.

[jaczac]

pod and vat are not regular bros.
Its a bromance

We all know

[Vantas]

@Ika Ok, what I'm trying to say is this:

If feedback from the claimed role is accurate, then that role is pretty much confirmed done.

If feedback from the claimed role isn't accurate, no big whoop, we just have them do their night action, not claim who they're going to do it to the night before, and then claim what they did before the person, seeing that they would of received no interference from Frog that night (of course, they'd have to be smart to make sure Frog wouldn't target who they will). Then with that, the role is confirmable.

If we don't know feedback, we have no way of confirming people. That only helps scum and hurts town.

[ika]

What make you say that? Are you trying to rolefish?

yes im delibertly rolefishing

prs can prove themselfs easier when exercise contridicts, a regular bro can not.

you are acting confident in that you can prove yourself so if you get caught in contridctions and you claim non-pr i would find it unlikely that i would even belive it.

when you are a player who goes to point A but is shown at point B and only have your words to porve yourself, the best rout is to allow random.

Yes i am claiming citizen bro, to me, you and vat are not

[ika]

@Ika Ok, what I'm trying to say is this:

If feedback from the claimed role is accurate, then that role is pretty much confirmed done.

If feedback from the claimed role isn't accurate, no big whoop, we just have them do their night action, not claim who they're going to do it to the night before, and then claim what they did before the person, seeing that they would of received no interference from Frog that night (of course, they'd have to be smart to make sure Frog wouldn't target who they will). Then with that, the role is confirmable.

If we don't know feedback, we have no way of confirming people. That only helps scum and hurts town.

Heres what i am saying:

as a bro with no powers besides vote, if im caught saying i am going to A and someone else says I went to B, we can either assume one of the following:

Frog moved me
or
I am lying scum
or
I am frog

So therefor if i never knwo where i go, I can not be caught in contridictions

[ika]

untill frog is eliminated, the best option for any non-provable roles is to allow randomness by an outside source of unknon (the host)

[powerofdeath]

yes im delibertly rolefishing

prs can prove themselfs easier when exercise contridicts, a regular bro can not.

you are acting confident in that you can prove yourself so if you get caught in contridctions and you claim non-pr i would find it unlikely that i would even belive it.

when you are a player who goes to point A but is shown at point B and only have your words to porve yourself, the best rout is to allow random.

Yes i am claiming citizen bro, to me, you and vat are not

Wow! An early roleclaim! Gonna leave a whole bunch of places for PR to hide now.

[Vantas]

Its a bromance

We all knowTotally for this.

@Ika *facepalm* Congratulations Ika you completely wasted the potential of your role's meat shielding abilities!

And Ika, same thing with the PR train of thought. If you're saying something different happened to you rather than what PRs said happened, that doesn't confirm you as scum, and we take the information with a grain of salt. Also, with the strategy I had in mind, it seems a lot more logical for a Lookout role to watch what's going on, and with that, Frog won't even want to switch you for fear of being discovered.

[Vantas]

Also, felt like I needed to point this out, but Frog may not even want to redirect. His goal isn't to screw over town, it's to survive till day 4, and why would he make himself look suspicious like that when his win condition's only to survive?

[Citrus]

Wonderful, the day is actually serious. I'll finish a set then chime in

[Helz]

This is kind of funny. Ika suggests a logical idea and you guys mess with him until he ties is logic into fallacy.

On a side note given past game history Ika is probably a citizen as he claims.

Also seeing as that everything is random there is no set amount of citizens or PR's..

Why FoS without some kind of point unless your effort is to cast suspicion in another direction as opposed to gaining information on another player~ Im just going to throw that out there and see who runs with it.

[ika]

Totally for this.

@Ika *facepalm* Congratulations Ika you completely wasted the potential of your role's meat shielding abilities!

And Ika, same thing with the PR train of thought. If you're saying something different happened to you rather than what PRs said happened, that doesn't confirm you as scum, and we take the information with a grain of salt. Also, with the strategy I had in mind, it seems a lot more logical for a Lookout role to watch what's going on, and with that, Frog won't even want to switch you for fear of being discovered.

citizens being meatshields are overrated.

Also the second half assumes a lookout exists. I try to take it that we are all citizens.

ask yourself this:
What if no lookout exists?
what happens if a lookout dies?
what happens when its only citizens?
why ignore pr claims on contridictions and take it for a grain of salt?

you are already scumbling to the fallacy of the site, wait on prs to do the work for you.

lets say no prs exist or are all dead, your entire theiry/idea gets thrown out the window b/c saying where we went would mean nothing.

[ika]

vat and pod are near-confirmed not cicizens, lynch/roleclaim plz

[ika]

This is kind of funny. Ika suggests a logical idea and you guys mess with him until he ties is logic into fallacy.

On a side note given past game history Ika is probably a citizen as he claims.

Also seeing as that everything is random there is no set amount of citizens or PR's..

Why FoS without some kind of point unless your effort is to cast suspicion in another direction as opposed to gaining information on another player~ Im just going to throw that out there and see who runs with it.

B/C they are triying to incite me into a rage fest and discredit me.

I can see POD doing it more intentionaly then vat atm. which is why we should lynch him.

Even cirtus is aware how scums will merly just try to incite me into rage.

[Citrus]

Greetings Broseidons, Helz asks great questions publically, it leads me to believe he is a true Bro.

You think Helz is more buff than Ika? Ika has lifted more today

That said, I'm pretty sure Ika is a true bro. PoD and Helz have been good bros today as well.

Also, Should we not submit an exercise, are we told what exericse we randomly did? Because that answers the question right there and then.

[Citrus]

B/C they are triying to incite me into a rage fest and discredit me.

I can see POD doing it more intentionaly then vat atm. which is why we should lynch him.

Even cirtus is aware how scums will merly just try to incite me into rage.

powerofdeath

[Vantas]

know an easy way to counter both scums atm?

we never chose where we work out. Makes scums have to go by pure luck instead of trying to logic or deduct. This does make sense, and that I agree with. However, if we're going by that, still knowing your action seems important to me, in which Ika shot down a few posts later than this. So randomizing your exercise while knowing at least which one you did is what I think the corse of action should be, not just making the host random your exercise. That's where his logic is flawed, and the only point I'm refuting in my posts at the current moment.

@Ika I've never played with you, how would I know that you go into a rage fest if provoked?

It's still good to question what people say though, that way you get more insight on meaning and more clarification. If the point was left in the air without being clarified or thought out, then that's only going to lead to miscommunication.

[Citrus]

Upon rereading the day, I think someone should watch RLVG's form or see who he exercises with tonight (det/lookout)

[Vantas]

citizens being meatshields are overrated.

Also the second half assumes a lookout exists. I try to take it that we are all citizens.

ask yourself this:
What if no lookout exists?
what happens if a lookout dies?
what happens when its only citizens?
why ignore pr claims on contridictions and take it for a grain of salt?

you are already scumbling to the fallacy of the site, wait on prs to do the work for you.

lets say no prs exist or are all dead, your entire theiry/idea gets thrown out the window b/c saying where we went would mean nothing.Yes, however, the possibility of the lookout existing isn't gone. With that being there, and it being an obvious spot to go, it makes sense to me that the Frog would be scared of it. Just as a Witch would be afraid to go visit a claimed Vigil to do their bidding for fear of lookout.

[Vantas]

Also, about the Citizen part. That's like saying "Ooh the Sheriff's main ability to go check people's alignment are overrated". In short, it's just part of the role, and what it serves as.

[Helz]

Also, about the Citizen part. That's like saying "Ooh the Sheriff's main ability to go check people's alignment are overrated". In short, it's just part of the role, and what it serves as.

Can you tie it in a knot? Can you tie it in a bow?

[ika]

1)This does make sense, and that I agree with. However, if we're going by that, still knowing your action seems important to me, in which Ika shot down a few posts later than this. So randomizing your exercise while knowing at least which one you did is what I think the corse of action should be, not just making the host random your exercise. That's where his logic is flawed, and the only point I'm refuting in my posts at the current moment.

2)@Ika I've never played with you, how would I know that you go into a rage fest if provoked?

3)It's still good to question what people say though, that way you get more insight on meaning and more clarification. If the point was left in the air without being clarified or thought out, then that's only going to lead to miscommunication.

think of it like this:

premisis: you are a bro with only the power to vote and chose an exercise

action: vist workout A

the next day you say you went to A, another person says "no you went to B" we now have a contridiction and it goes down to occam razor:

A) frog moved the player to B
B) someone is lying

so for the person, if they claim bro, it would be "he could be frog" lets lynch him and it becomes myslynch b/c all i have is my words.

I understand frog not moving either but its optimal for him to cause contridictions in this format.

HOWEVER, if we go by blind format where we never know, we can never creat contridictions and it would force players do do actual scum hunting.

2) i am aware of that, that is why i clairified that you would be less liekly to do it, even now you are talking to me in a calm format of discussion about this, come the end we can jsut agree to disagree however pod is not doign that

3) the diffrence is pod is rejecing it 100% and knows that sooner or later im going to get pissed at him for being like that, in otherwords hes not communicating but instead discrediting and not giving another idea/theiory.

im also noticing how he stubly buddies with you when you agreed. I know all logic will have flaws, but if you point them out, have something else to suggest or back it up instead of flat out discredit.

[ika]

Yes, however, the possibility of the lookout existing isn't gone. With that being there, and it being an obvious spot to go, it makes sense to me that the Frog would be scared of it. Just as a Witch would be afraid to go visit a claimed Vigil to do their bidding for fear of lookout.

agree, however you have to take into account other factors:

what kind of scum are they? are they gambity or safe?
what are the odds of lookout existing?
does the lookout even exist?

essensaly its all one giant WIFOM come the end of it

i always try to assume we are all citizens who can only rely on what people say, if eveyone is to rely on WIFOM, edventaly it will fail b/c scums are willing to take risks.

Let me ask you this:

if you are witch and a lookout MAY exist and a vig is outed, would you risk it? I would b/c if i get outed i suffer consequences. Thats the basic rule with every kill/action, risk vs reward.


Also, about the Citizen part. That's like saying "Ooh the Sheriff's main ability to go check people's alignment are overrated". In short, it's just part of the role, and what it serves as.

Depends on POV, for me i find citizens trying to be meat sheilds for prs is bad way to look at it overall.

A PR is only as strong as the player.

Think of it like this

mediocer/bad PR player vs strong citizen player

who is a bigger piority? basic logic says the pr, but further thinking would say the citizen.

A PR is essensaly a person with a power, stip that and all you have is another citizen

[Helz]

Subject of the hour PoD:

#3 Spam
#5 Spam
#21 Spam
#22 Troll
#23 -vote jaczac
#26 Troll
#28 Troll
#31 Spam
#32 Justified future lack of posts
#62 -vote Louiswill
#63 "I also fos Apocist."
#64 Justified future lack of posts
#65 "Are you scum Louiswill? Are you?" FoS in response to being FoS'ed
#89 Productive post/ Refocus town
#91 Self Justification / logic challenge on FoS
#109 Very nice logical contribution
#115 Host meta
#117 Logic contribution
#123 Logic Contribution
#126 Behavioral assertion
#129 Repeated #115 and suggested he will sheep
#136 Sheep/Buddy with Vantas
#140 Productive logic challenge
#147 Snide comment on Ika's role claim


There is a hand full of justification / sheep / buddy in there that worries me but he is still a much more productive player than half our list which is troubling but understandable given the way the day started. I don't think he was specifically trying to get under Ika's skin but post 147 did suggest somewhat of an attitude. As the day grew more productive so did he. Post 65 is really out of place. I find it the kind of logic-free hip shot reaction to pressure. All in all I wouldn't risk a D1 lynch with this small amount of information.

[ika]

@TTL: day one lynches are almost always most productive. ending day in no lynch leaves us with less info to go on.

like slaol often says: every day should be a lynch day

[ika]

and with all scattered votes, we are more likly to hit a tarty tim if it exists, which is basicly an ez myslynch for scums

[Helz]

@TTL: day one lynches are almost always most productive. ending day in no lynch leaves us with less info to go on.

like slaol often says: every day should be a lynch day

Well to be blunt I am not unbiest. I dislike actions that favor players who lurk and I have much less respect for lurk wins. Given the option between lynching a semi-scum looking but active player and a totally lurky player I have to fight myself with logic to not push on the lurker because lynching active players provides incentive for players to lurk more.

[ika]

Well to be blunt I am not unbiest. I dislike actions that favor players who lurk and I have much less respect for lurk wins. Given the option between lynching a semi-scum looking but active player and a totally lurky player I have to fight myself with logic to not push on the lurker because lynching active players provides incentive for players to lurk more.

Then if the person who is lynched flips town, we look at who just lurked their vote on there vs who had reasoning.

Really no-lynching also favors lurkers, if you force lynches you can also force out lurking scums. Asking why they voted and then lurked.

[Apocist]

ika isn't necessarily a cit either. Today is such a great day to have labels preset on players

[ika]

ika isn't necessarily a cit either. Today is such a great day to have labels preset on players

buddying noticed

[jaczac]

Ah day one

I love you

[powerofdeath]

I wasnt trying to discredit you, I was just a little pissed that you were acting anti town. Right now youre going all out trying to get me lynched.

I guess I could claim right now. I am brospect, No Ika, I am not a power role as you thought I would be.

Let me explain myself:
I was trying to offer that why cant we just random.org our exercises ourselves. I did not just throw your idea out of the window, I was offering a different method.

You guys said I wifomed as Tardy Tim. I had completely no idea what Tardy Tim was until i looked at the set up. I dont usually read set ups until I get interested into the game. Half of the votes are on me because of this reason.

Right now, you are saying I am not a citizen because of the way I disregard your idea. I was trying to something I believe that would benefit best for the town. The way I am acting right now is that I am trying for the MVP citizen again, although I don't really want it that much anymore. (refer to SFM 101)

If I was scum, I wouldve never try to attract that much attention as I have right now. I would also claimed a power role because I hate claiming citizen as a scum. It is how you get mislynched easily, by claiming citizen when fosed.

Right now I townread you ika, even though I believe you are being very anti town.

[Damus_Graves]

Hi :)

[Damus_Graves]

I wasnt trying to discredit you, I was just a little pissed that you were acting anti town. Right now youre going all out trying to get me lynched.

I guess I could claim right now. I am brospect, No Ika, I am not a power role as you thought I would be.

Let me explain myself:
I was trying to offer that why cant we just random.org our exercises ourselves. I did not just throw your idea out of the window, I was offering a different method.

You guys said I wifomed as Tardy Tim. I had completely no idea what Tardy Tim was until i looked at the set up. I dont usually read set ups until I get interested into the game. Half of the votes are on me because of this reason.

Right now, you are saying I am not a citizen because of the way I disregard your idea. I was trying to something I believe that would benefit best for the town. The way I am acting right now is that I am trying for the MVP citizen again, although I don't really want it that much anymore. (refer to SFM 101)

If I was scum, I wouldve never try to attract that much attention as I have right now. I would also claimed a power role because I hate claiming citizen as a scum. It is how you get mislynched easily, by claiming citizen when fosed.

Right now I townread you ika, even though I believe you are being very anti town.

bullshit. Its day one, why are you getting so defensive.

[Helz]

I wasnt trying to discredit you, I was just a little pissed that you were acting anti town. Right now youre going all out trying to get me lynched.

I guess I could claim right now. I am brospect, No Ika, I am not a power role as you thought I would be.

Let me explain myself:
I was trying to offer that why cant we just random.org our exercises ourselves. I did not just throw your idea out of the window, I was offering a different method.

You guys said I wifomed as Tardy Tim. I had completely no idea what Tardy Tim was until i looked at the set up. I dont usually read set ups until I get interested into the game. Half of the votes are on me because of this reason.

Right now, you are saying I am not a citizen because of the way I disregard your idea. I was trying to something I believe that would benefit best for the town. The way I am acting right now is that I am trying for the MVP citizen again, although I don't really want it that much anymore. (refer to SFM 101)

If I was scum, I wouldve never try to attract that much attention as I have right now. I would also claimed a power role because I hate claiming citizen as a scum. It is how you get mislynched easily, by claiming citizen when fosed.

Right now I townread you ika, even though I believe you are being very anti town.

To clarify "Louiswill" and "Citrus" said you soft claimed after Jaczac trolled saying you were Tim because of your excuses.. I will not go into it but that is something of note.

[Helz]

I would also like to take a moment to call out our lurkers-

Slaol, Frog, RLVG

[Helz]

powerofdeath (4 [L-3]):
ika, Apocist, louiswill, Citrus

I will not be voting on Pod today. Weather it works out or not this would be a shit lynch in my book and I do not see the benefit of a role flip offsetting a lost player. I think we have 2 hours until days end.

[Citrus]

powerofdeath (4 [L-3]):
ika, Apocist, louiswill, Citrus

I will not be voting on Pod today. Weather it works out or not this would be a shit lynch in my book and I do not see the benefit of a role flip offsetting a lost player. I think we have 2 hours until days end.

Did you know that RLVG and Frog have unbalanced bodies? Or they're working really hard to buff up as fast as possible

[powerofdeath]

bullshit. Its day one, why are you getting so defensive.

Try being mislynched day 1, and go see how it feel.

[ika]

I wasnt trying to discredit you, I was just a little pissed that you were acting anti town. Right now youre going all out trying to get me lynched.

out of every game you have played with me, name one where i acted town? So far every game i have been in i have been called anti-town player.

I guess I could claim right now. I am brospect, No Ika, I am not a power role as you thought I would be.

Let me explain myself:
I was trying to offer that why cant we just random.org our exercises ourselves. I did not just throw your idea out of the window, I was offering a different method.

what i was saying is that defeats the purpous of what i was suggesting, yet you cant seem to grasp that

You guys said I wifomed as Tardy Tim. I had completely no idea what Tardy Tim was until i looked at the set up. I dont usually read set ups until I get interested into the game. Half of the votes are on me because of this reason.

tardy tim if lynched doesnt get lynched, think galla rolecard in your setup.

Right now, you are saying I am not a citizen because of the way I disregard your idea. I was trying to something I believe that would benefit best for the town. The way I am acting right now is that I am trying for the MVP citizen again, although I don't really want it that much anymore. (refer to SFM 101)

you kept shooting down the idea insteead of going what about this, look how vat approached me vs you. see a diffrence?

If I was scum, I wouldve never try to attract that much attention as I have right now. I would also claimed a power role because I hate claiming citizen as a scum. It is how you get mislynched easily, by claiming citizen when fosed.

all subject to WIFOM as well

Right now I townread you ika, even though I believe you are being very anti town.

Again, point towards a game where i was town who played pro-town. So far in every game i have been called anti-town, you shoould know better by now to even consider me to try to play pro-town.

Im prob going to leave this thread for rest of day unless if someone has somethign directed at me.

[Damus_Graves]

Try being mislynched day 1, and go see how it feel.
Been there. Now calm tits plox

[powerofdeath]

I said what I need to say, I put everything else in my will incase i get lynched.

I wont be back by the end of the night.

[Damus_Graves]

Again, point towards a game where i was town who played pro-town. So far in every game i have been called anti-town, you shoould know better by now to even consider me to try to play pro-town.

Im prob going to leave this thread for rest of day unless if someone has somethign directed at me.

Ika ur anti town

[powerofdeath]

Again, point towards a game where i was town who played pro-town. So far in every game i have been called anti-town, you shoould know better by now to even consider me to try to play pro-town.

Im prob going to leave this thread for rest of day unless if someone has somethign directed at me.

Do you really need me to go over my meta read on you in general? it will only end up us arguing like we usually do on skype.

[ika]

Try being mislynched day 1, and go see how it feel.

Think i havent been in that shit as well. However if you do flip town it would incciminate damus slightly b/c hes not voting and is only postering you now.

Think how i feel when i get rung up every time? now maybe you understand how i feel 99% of the time it happens to me as town.

Wehn ppl just want to jack off and be shit lurkers on day one and i want to try to move things foward, think about this and then you will understand how i feel. I dont mind some trolling here and there but to keep it up for so long is anti-town in itself. You should of already understand better then to just shoot down my ideas.

@damus: i am aware of that, its how i play and it will not change now quit postering on the sideline

@pod: no last will, and yes i will argue with you if need be, you seemed to have learned nothing about me explaing how you need to adress things. if having a pissing contest with ppl is the way i need to communicate, then so be it

[Damus_Graves]

Think i havent been in that shit as well. However if you do flip town it would incciminate damus slightly b/c hes not voting and is only postering you now.

Think how i feel when i get rung up every time? now maybe you understand how i feel 99% of the time it happens to me as town.

Wehn ppl just want to jack off and be shit lurkers on day one and i want to try to move things foward, think about this and then you will understand how i feel. I dont mind some trolling here and there but to keep it up for so long is anti-town in itself. You should of already understand better then to just shoot down my ideas.

@damus: i am aware of that, its how i play and it will not change now quit postering on the sideline

@pod: no last will, and yes i will argue with you if need be, you seemed to have learned nothing about me explaing how you need to adress things. if having a pissing contest with ppl is the way i need to communicate, then so be it

UR POSTERING ON THE SIDELINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!






But for reals. Im not voting because day one lynch isn't the best option. PoD doesnt read like scum.

[powerofdeath]

Ugh... that feeling when you worked hard on your lw and find out there is no lw...

Anyway, cya

[Helz]

UR POSTERING ON THE SIDELINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!






But for reals. Im not voting because day one lynch isn't the best option. PoD doesnt read like scum.

What posts read as scum in your book? (Not specific to PoD)

[Damus_Graves]

What posts read as scum in your book? (Not specific to PoD)

A response like Vantas offered with my incredibly serus FoS on him would be scummy since it is day one and he overreacted to me.

Also I won't be giving out my scum reads since it would just cause scum to not make them .

[Apocist]

buddying noticed

w...wait, huh..? You just through me through a mind fuck. I was fosing you, not buddying you.

[ika]

w...wait, huh..? You just through me through a mind fuck. I was fosing you, not buddying you.

Then make it more apparent, to me it was as if you were trying to WIFOM me as pr, I dont want that stupid ass shit. if you want to fos me, fine. I will make my own god damn ideas and stuff

If i live past day 1 i can prob figure out the scums. It rather easy after a few days. If pod is town, i would assume at least one scum is in his current train.

Vat already hevely hinted that hes not a regular bro and i would be rather surprised if he is based off his inital reactions to me claiming citizen.

[Helz]

w...wait, huh..? You just through me through a mind fuck. I was fosing you, not buddying you.

Care to say a little more on your FoS on Ika?

[Apocist]

Then make it more apparent, to me it was as if you were trying to WIFOM me as pr, I dont want that stupid ass shit. if you want to fos me, fine. I will make my own god damn ideas and stuff

If i live past day 1 i can prob figure out the scums. It rather easy after a few days. If pod is town, i would assume at least one scum is in his current train.

Vat already hevely hinted that hes not a regular bro and i would be rather surprised if he is based off his inital reactions to me claiming citizen.


Care to say a little more on your FoS on Ika?
Apo was pointing out ika's attempt to claim a benign role for protection, which is usually a lie

[ika]

Apo was pointing out ika's attempt to claim a benign role for protection, which is usually a lie

why the fuck would i claim to be frog? have you seen its wincon?

live to day 4, wins alone at end of day 6

so really if we find frog we can leash him on voting with town or he can risk his wincon.

[Apocist]

Then make it more apparent, to me it was as if you were trying to WIFOM me as pr, I dont want that stupid ass shit. if you want to fos me, fine. I will make my own god damn ideas and stuff

If i live past day 1 i can prob figure out the scums. It rather easy after a few days. If pod is town, i would assume at least one scum is in his current train.

Vat already hevely hinted that hes not a regular bro and i would be rather surprised if he is based off his inital reactions to me claiming citizen.


why the fuck would i claim to be frog? have you seen its wincon?

live to day 4, wins alone at end of day 6

so really if we find frog we can leash him on voting with town or he can risk his wincon.

why the fuck are you putting words in Apo's mouth? did anyone mention you being frog (scumtell?)

[Apocist]

Stupid multiquote remained on

[Citrus]

Use logic please.

powerofdeath (4 [L-3]):
ika, Apocist, louiswill, Citrus

Frog wants to survive. Thus the more alive the better. Thus Frog is outside {Ika, Apocist, Louiswill}

[ika]

Apo was pointing out ika's attempt to claim a benign role for protection, which is usually a lie

^this is what im talking about apo

unless if im misunderstanding that is


Use logic please.

powerofdeath (4 [L-3]):
ika, Apocist, louiswill, Citrus

Frog wants to survive. Thus the more alive the better. Thus Frog is outside {Ika, Apocist, Louiswill}

yet you are not including yourself? I can see frog trying to play more calculated early on, but after day 4 he would be more inclined to eb reckless

what you think of apo/vat of being one or both scums?

[Apocist]

why the fuck would i claim to be frog? have you seen its wincon?

live to day 4, wins alone at end of day 6

so really if we find frog we can leash him on voting with town or he can risk his wincon.

But why did you say this? I mentioned you claimed cit (a benign role/ role that doesn't do anything). I don't remember anyone saying anything about you being frog, so why am I saying you claimed to be frog?

[Apocist]

And your getting really defensive of the matter

[louiswill]

so, all random right?

[ika]

But why did you say this? I mentioned you claimed cit (a benign role/ role that doesn't do anything). I don't remember anyone saying anything about you being frog, so why am I saying you claimed to be frog?

are you kidding me...

benign=neutral

[Damus_Graves]

Shhhh.
Its ok

[Damus_Graves]

We all get pineapples one day

[Damus_Graves]

I dont really know TTL plays so im questioning why he is so questioning everyone.

Also hi Gerik <3

[ika]

what you think of apo/vat of being one or both scums?

damus thoughts? i need some interactions to calm myself, give me something to ramble about at least

[Apocist]

are you kidding me...

benign=neutral

Benign means harmless, generally referred to roles that don't do much of anything

[ika]

Benign means harmless, generally referred to roles that don't do much of anything

-.-

im using the sc2 mod where neutral roles are Benign

citizens are town

[Damus_Graves]

damus thoughts? i need some interactions to calm myself, give me something to ramble about at least

Unlikely. I could see Vat as being scum based on what he responded to my very weak and not serious FoS on him, which was on overreaction. '

Its hard to tell what Apo thinks is Begin or not because he literally doesnt play FMs a lot.
Im assuming he knows that cit is always called town instead of benign and he is backtracking while trying to keep pressure on you.

[Helz]

Benign means harmless, generally referred to roles that don't do much of anything

Yes. But when someone says Benign in the context of a role it is usually in reference to a "Neutral Benign" which in this situation Ika associated with the role "Frog". You guys have some communication issues.

[Apocist]

damus thoughts? i need some interactions to calm myself, give me something to ramble about at least

Vat seems pretty neutral, but didn't seem to care too much if Tardy Tim dies. Very logical and doesn't want to take much action in chat

[Apocist]

Unlikely. I could see Vat as being scum based on what he responded to my very weak and not serious FoS on him, which was on overreaction. '

Its hard to tell what Apo thinks is Begin or not because he literally doesnt play FMs a lot.
Im assuming he knows that cit is always called town instead of benign and he is backtracking while trying to keep pressure on you.
Sorry, Apo labelled Cits are Town Benign in eMafia >.>

[Damus_Graves]

Vat seems pretty neutral, but didn't seem to care too much if Tardy Tim dies. Very logical and doesn't want to take much action in chat

Not really neutral. Take another look at his response to me.

[louiswill]

No matter what you guys say, if someone benign reveal, you will hardcore kill him.

I knew most of you are cold blood creatures.

[Gerik]

ika
Pretty sure ika is Frog. He claims that his plan protects against Frog, but I think it actually benefits Frog quite a bit.

For starters, nowhere in the setup does it say that you are not informed of what exercise you performed if the host randoms it (host pls clarify). Secondly, if it does work as you say and we are not informed of our exercise, then if entire town agrees to go with the random exercise strategy, all that does is reduce the amount of information that town has. It allows for any scum to claim jerkface jon/cardio craig and say "<player> did <exercise> on <night #>!" and no one can refute his claim because even the player in question doesn't know what exercise they did. And if another player comes forward and claims jon/craig with a different result on the aforementioned player, then we won't be able to tell if both people are telling the truth (meaning <player> is frog) or one of them is lying. The reason this benefits Frog the most is because he can actually force us to do a specific exercise, so he can claim jon/craig and just a claim a result on one of his targets. And if we don't know our own exercises, then we have to believe him unless someone CCs him, and then we have to decide which of the claimers is correct.

Not to mention that the concept of randoming the exercises makes it so that Frog has a perfect defense when watched by jon/craig since he can simply use this "plan" as an excuse to cover his ass.

[Apocist]

So thats why you random.org yourself

[Helz]

I dont really know TTL plays so im questioning why he is so questioning everyone.

Also hi Gerik <3

Questioning peoples line of logic is extremely useful. Scum are inclined to stay vague. It allows them more wiggle room to "Clarify" their action later on in a different light that caters to whatever situation they may find themselves in.

Also getting reads from players provides lines of allegiance which will become more useful as roles flip through out the game. The more players interact the more there is to form patterns for a real FoS down the road. Specifically with you and Apo I see a lot of "Being around" and some productive conversation but also a lot of "Holding back" in lines of logic. Its much more troubling with players who have chosen to pretty much skip D1 (Such as Frog, Slaol, and RLVG) but all in all I would like to see everyone participating on a larger level.

With that comes an open door on asking me for reads and such but time is kinda short if you have any requests.

[louiswill]

Ok I just want to ask, do we random or do we organize.

Because ika's concept is corrupted or not, we have to choose one way or another.

[Apocist]

Questioning peoples line of logic is extremely useful. Scum are inclined to stay vague. It allows them more wiggle room to "Clarify" their action later on in a different light that caters to whatever situation they may find themselves in.

Also getting reads from players provides lines of allegiance which will become more useful as roles flip through out the game. The more players interact the more there is to form patterns for a real FoS down the road. Specifically with you and Apo I see a lot of "Being around" and some productive conversation but also a lot of "Holding back" in lines of logic. Its much more troubling with players who have chosen to pretty much skip D1 (Such as Frog, Slaol, and RLVG) but all in all I would like to see everyone participating on a larger level.

With that comes an open door on asking me for reads and such but time is kinda short if you have any requests.
Apo and who?

[Apocist]

Ok I just want to ask, do we random or do we organize.

Because ika's concept is corrupted or not, we have to choose one way or another.

I'ma still going with ika's idea of randoming, but don't leave it up to the host. Choose a random activity yourself

[Helz]

Apo and who?

And Damus

[ika]

snip

congradulations you have apparently NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FUCKIGN THREAD.

we already had a huge fuckign discussion about this theory and everything.

also adding on:
no contriuations to discussions that happened
bad reasoning on me (well maybe not reasoning, but its me )
neutral hunting and not scum hunting
overly explintory reason on something that was throughly discussed already

Gerik

[Helz]

Ok I just want to ask, do we random or do we organize.

Because ika's concept is corrupted or not, we have to choose one way or another.

To really make an argument one way or the other we needed a host answer. For today everyone should do what they feel is right. I personally lean to random myself just in case the host will not feed that info back.

[ika]

With that comes an open door on asking me for reads and such but time is kinda short if you have any requests.

ok do a read list with 0 reasoning on everyone, just color them red yellow green or blue(cyan?)

red=scum
yellow=null
green=town
cyan/blue=neutral

no reasoning on why you have those reads

[Orpz]

Should we not submit an exercise, are we told what exericse we randomly did?

Yes.


So all that supports this movement, don't PM the host.

That's fine?

Yeah, you can choose to not send in an exercise and I'll random your exercise and let you know what you "picked".




Is frog forcing a workout an additional workout or does it just make that players workout what he wants it to be.

Frog forces the players to workout what he wants it to be.




I keep seeing in the role cards something called "Protein Shakes". What are they, and what purpose do they serve in the game?

They are "uses" to night abilities. So if I have 2 nonrenewable Protein Shakes for a night ability, I can use that ability twice this game.

Please let me know if I've missed any green text questions.

[Apocist]

ok do a read list with 0 reasoning on everyone, just color them red yellow green or blue(cyan?)

red=scum
yellow=null
green=town
cyan/blue=neutral

no reasoning on why you have those reads

Jaczac
Citrus
Powerofdeath
Louiswill
Damus_Graves
ThinkLiveLife
Gerik
ika
Slaol
Frog
RLVG
Apocist
Vantas

[jaczac]

Ok so can i just say: if you have troll votes, remove them because of tardy tim

Like i said earlier, accidentally "lyching" someone(tardyTim) who is a townie is not good, especially for a D1

[Helz]

Jaczac
Citrus
PowerofDeath
Louiswill
Damus_Graves
Gerik
Ika
Slaol (Who?)
Frog (Who?)
RLVG (Who?)
Apocist
Vantas
ORPZ

I hate doing color reads early on. They just look silly.

[jaczac]

Jaczac
Citrus
PowerofDeath
Louiswill
Damus_Graves
Gerik
Ika
Slaol (Who?)
Frog (Who?)
RLVG (Who?)
Apocist
Vantas
ORPZ

I hate doing color reads early on. They just look silly.

Nonsense! They look like a rainbow!

[Apocist]

Omg, I love the way you label your reads

[Helz]

Please let me know if I've missed any green text questions.

OoO says Skipper kills. Does this mean only one of the two players may kill each night?

Do the skippers know who etch other are?

Do Skippers share a night chat?

Does frog "Have" to make 2 players work additional exercises or can he opt to not do so?

[Orpz]

OoO says Skipper kills. Does this mean only one of the two players may kill each night?

No. They both kill at the same time, I'll fix that.

Do the skippers know who etch other are?

No

Do Skippers share a night chat?

No

Does frog "Have" to make 2 players work additional exercises or can he opt to not do so?

It's a night action, so it can be skipped.

answers in white

[Apocist]

Does frog "Have" to make 2 players work additional exercises or can he opt to not do so?

If frog doesnt have to give additional exercises, Apo has a offer.

Don't give us more exercises, you will benefit frog by having more players possibly live(helping your goal) and you will benefit us by letting us live. Choose additional exercises only helps the skippers and not yourself

[Helz]

So with these answers- We could have up to a 5 Kpn situation. The advantage is that scum has no idea who the other scum is.

I would note that with being given the forced workout from the host it makes no difference if you host random or do it yourself (As far as that epic conversation of logic went). Additionally with scum not knowing one another a D1 lynch is ever so much more useless. Early Wifom will take a back seat to night actions.

[Helz]

I miss worded it. Above Orpz clarified that frog just mandates our night action. He will not give an extra.

@Frog (The role not the player)
I will point out that by giving night actions you will hurt scum hunting for our craig/jon roles and eliminate the chance of getting one of the night killers. This hurts your chances of both not being killed by a night action as well as the amount of players left in the game to see the game lasts long enough for you to win. As such I would say apo is right in saying it is in your best interest to re frame from using this ability.

[Helz]

20 mins left for last moment conversation..

[ika]

intresting, they dont know each other and we are told what host randoms us.

im still letting host random me my visitation

[Gerik]

congradulations you have apparently NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FUCKIGN THREAD.

we already had a huge fuckign discussion about this theory and everything.

also adding on:
no contriuations to discussions that happened
bad reasoning on me (well maybe not reasoning, but its me )
neutral hunting and not scum hunting
overly explintory reason on something that was throughly discussed already

Gerik

>be ika
>assume someone who disagrees with you isn't paying attention to the game
>rage
>accuse them of being scum

k.

[Helz]

intresting, they dont know each other and we are told what host randoms us.

im still letting host random me my visitation

It would be broken if they did and could also both attack at night. Lets just hope they hit etch other quite a bit. On that note..

Will scum be notified if they hit a night immune target?

[jaczac]

>be ika
>assume someone who disagrees with you isn't paying attention to the game
>rage
>accuse them of being scum

k.

FTFY

But in all seriousness, Ika has been extremely accusatory over often irrelevant D1 theory-crafting. Suspicions arise.

Aw crap. Now I'm sounding like him

[ika]

oh btw ttl, that read list made no sense but whatever. its enough for me to work with atm

if im alive tommorow i might have some use of stuff

[ika]

FTFY

But in all seriousness, Ika has been extremely accusatory over often irrelevant D1 theory-crafting. Suspicions arise.

Aw crap. Now I'm sounding like him

play a few games with me and you will quickly understand i do this, gerick is already aware of me doing this and that he even attempted a push on me is pathetic.

but regardless the votes are quite informative on their own

[Orpz]

It would be broken if they did and could also both attack at night. Lets just hope they hit etch other quite a bit. On that note..

Will scum be notified if they hit a night immune target?

They will be notified which attacks were successful/unsuccessful, but nothing more about their targets than that.

[jaczac]

RLVG

Oops, didnt realize I hadnt unvoted.

My bad

[Gerik]

FTFY


All you changed was the color...

[jaczac]

All you changed was the color...
Exactly. Its the greentext color code

[Gerik]

play a few games with me and you will quickly understand i do this, gerick is already aware of me doing this and that he even attempted a push on me is pathetic.

but regardless the votes are quite informative on their own

Calling a vote on you "pathetic".

tells on tells on tells. gg ez

[Helz]

oh btw ttl, that read list made no sense but whatever. its enough for me to work with atm

if im alive tommorow i might have some use of stuff

But.. Its color coded with a code you made up..

[Gerik]

But.. Its color coded with a code you made up..

+rep

[jaczac]

But.. Its color coded with a code you made up..
#rekt