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April 21st, 2014, 06:00 PM
FM XXI: Day 5

FM Libya was found dead this morning.
His role was Mason.



Roles List:

Living Players:

Graveyard:


Ragnar Lodbrok (Hidden Norseman)
Hidden Norseman
Hidden Norseman
Hidden Norseman
King Aelle (Hidden Anglo-Saxon)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Non-Town
Hidden Non-Town
Hidden Non-Town
Hidden Non-Town
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any

FM Argentina
FM Brazil
FM Colombia
FM Costa Rica
FM Cyprus
FM Fiji
FM Germany
FM India
FM Iran
FM Ireland
FM Japan
FM Kenya
FM Mexico
FM Poland
FM Russia
FM Saudi Arabia
FM Spain
FM Sweden
FM Switzerland
FM Thailand
FM USA

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1
FM Greenland - Beguiler - Sacrificed Day 2
FM China - Doctor - Died Night 2
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2
FM Norway - Blacksmith - Sacrificed Day 3
FM England - Consort - Died Day 3
FM Canada - Ninja - Died Night 3
FM South Korea - Vigilante - Died Night 3
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3
FM Egypt - Sheriff - Died Day 4
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4




Last Wills:

You think you are all safe, but alas, the Vikings have arrived. All hail the arrival of the noble savages!

We shall plunder your towns and take thy women.

But enough RPing. May the town be as barren as my icy lands. Get ready to burn.

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Wonderful job Egypt. Spot on work there. I hope it was worth it

Evil Neutrals! Proclamation for ya. We can win with everyone except the dirty town and meddling cult. So we want to win with you if we can. Don't waste your night actions on Egypt. Trust us, we know what we're doing and you can consider that problem sorted.

Cult, if we don't win you guys need to. Here's a head start, you've got some confirmed masons running amuck. Don't let them get away with it. Check out FMXX, it's better to coordinate until the town is put down.

We have decided to not claim feedback relevant to you if we get it to signal to you that we're with you. Ex: doused, we won't claim it, and you know we're on your side.

To my fuck buddies:

sorry troops I'm outta here, but use logic (especially concerning bouncy) and you know what to do.

blackmailer sticking around before not sticking around is a good idea per what I said in night chat

don't get fooled by an anteater, it's hella bad if we do. let george/unmarshalled/etc. deal with it

try to figure out who smoke is and coordinate if possible

duke needs to be eliminated asap, along with replumed, argo, biarticulate, and knap - if these players are who I think they are these are extremely high priority all else held equal

oceanic, castilla should work more together. fraud, demobbing, and misdating are in a good place right now

use appetizer to your advantage, especially as it ties in to the proclamation

greenwood should get a greenlight soon, use it

tossing out picks is useful for drafting later

corvus might be more likely than reforgeable

All non-town, even if we don't individually win, we do at some level if we fuck the town. Let the reign of scum continue from FM XX!

Peace out bitches. I'll enjoy my popcorn from the sidelines.

I'm doctor

n1: no action, didnt heal in that clusterfuck
n2: egypt

IMPORTANT: HEALING DOES STOP CULT CONVERT I HAVE ASKED THIS BUT IT DOES NOT DO +1

final read list:

plz note that if i say if they are unaligned that they are not town to me but are unlikely to be aligned with Greenland the the rest of the mafia

FM Argentina: gut town

FM Brazil: gut scum

FM Canada: gut scum

FM China: dead doc

FM Colombia: we will know soon enough, something is irking though

FM Costa Rica: havent seen

FM Cyprus: after further revew, i am actualy leaning scum

FM Egypt: sheriff

FM England: gut town

FM Fiji: unaligned with greenland

FM France: replaced in....

FM Germany: haven seen much

FM India: lurker galore

FM Iran: guts say hes pr, tonw or not is to be decided

FM Ireland: gut town

FM Italy: mafia scum, post 26 and 55, if he flips scum it would confirm a DDer

FM Japan: student most likely

FM Kenya: seriously if this guy is town in any form, he does truly suck

FM Libya: mason claim

FM Mexico: I'm pegging him scum, he seems too "IDGAF" to be town and is playing the apathetic card

FM New Zealand: guts say scum

FM Norway: ?

FM Poland: I'm gonna rule him netural, but not evil

FM Russia: not a mafia scum if Italy flips mafia

FM Saudi Arabia: I'm going to give her town

FM South Korea: Scum/neutral based off how day 2 went and interactions with greenland, mafia, most likely

FM Spain: i am going to say unaligned with greenland

FM Sweden: ?

FM Switzerland: guts would say neutral

FM Thailand : ?

FM USA: gut neutral

Ugh looks like that poison was real. Yay. I'm town Operator which is why I was so certain Greenland was scum yesterday. I acted like I couldn't be roleblocked ("someone tried to roleblock me") so that I wouldn't get roleblocked again. I targetted Colombia and Saudi hoping that Saudi would shoot himself as a result.

As for reads... Mexico is probably scum, Canada/Saudi/Argentina etc are scum. My reads haven't really changed since my giants reads lists was back in the first half of D3. Poland is probably legit though and I'm less confident in my Egypt townread. There's probably scum in the lurkers.
Of course I get rbed N1 and the one guy I target is a Doctor -which could have potentially been quite useful to either side-.

Getting Ninja was a blessing. Should have paid a bit more attention to day chat to possibly have prevented myself from dying. Oh well.
Speciar code 1: r
Speciar code 2: Real Exempt Noel Maroon Tilapia
(Except for the word Real, there are no L's; Maroon Tirapia = Red Herring)
Speciar code 3: South East Asia


n1 FM Austraria
n2 FM New Zearand
n3 FM Canada

I don't regret defendering Greenrand cause friction = more post anarysis. Jk I do because I brew my shot at MVP. Rooting for FM Corombia

Shot Austraria for braming real rife, Shot New Zearand for being the king of active rurkers and being super ambivarent about votes. A real Town wourd cast his votes much ress roboticarry. Arso, Day 1 Post #206. I understand that shooting India wourd probabry prove my rore better. I'm arso uncomfortabre at how both of my targets are Oceania.

Shot Canada. Fuck the British territories.

ENGRAND IS MOST DEFINITERY CONSORT. Isn't it too convenient that he received a suit and poisoned on the same day? And he craimed rorebrocked on D2? And he never craimed Operator? And he active rurked? And his rast wirr was ass?

RIP Norway you rittle bitch, but it was you or me.

I had unrimited charges.

If I'm not a vigirante in the graveyard I've been tairored


"I onry regret that I have but one rife to give for my country" - Nathan Hare, South Korean Patriot

Day 5 will end in 48 hours at 6:00 PM PST, April 23 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=April+23%2C+2014%2C+6%3A00+PM+PST).

With 21 players alive, it takes 11

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 06:04 PM
Hey. Hey. Pssst. No more walls today.

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 06:06 PM
Hey guys. Smell my finger. Smell it!

Old FM Sweden
April 21st, 2014, 06:07 PM
No feedback to report.
Shall we pick this back up with chat about Germany or Fiji and get some feedback from Poland today?

Old FM Sweden
April 21st, 2014, 06:07 PM
Hey guys. Smell my finger. Smell it!

We found who got ghosted today.

Old FM Poland
April 21st, 2014, 06:08 PM
I found a mafia.

FM Germany

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 06:18 PM
FM Germany

Old FM Kenya
April 21st, 2014, 06:23 PM
I found a mafia.

FM Germany

What do we think is the chance of this being another successful frame?

Also, I was witched last night.

I'm liking the lack of deaths last night. I'm guessing that means we can expect some healed claims today.

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 06:23 PM
We found who got ghosted today.

NO

Old FM Kenya
April 21st, 2014, 06:24 PM
What do we think is the chance of this being another successful frame?

Also, I was witched last night.

I'm liking the lack of deaths last night. I'm guessing that means we can expect some healed claims today.

Actually come to think of it, we may also have had a nice roleblock or two.

Escorts: Please block the same targets tonight.

Old FM Sweden
April 21st, 2014, 06:25 PM
FM Germany

This is the moment we confirm behind doubt that Poland is Sheriff.

Old FM Kenya
April 21st, 2014, 06:28 PM
Here's hoping this isn't another framing.

FM Germany

Old FM Sweden
April 21st, 2014, 06:29 PM
Here's hoping this isn't another framing.

FM Germany

Its incredibly doubtful that this is a successful framing.

Old FM Spain
April 21st, 2014, 06:30 PM
Nothing happened to me last night.

It looks like Columbia was possessed by the Ghost. I would be surprised if he wasn't because of the drastic change in his play.

While I think Germany is likely non-town, I'm hesitant to believe Poland right away. I still think he's scum, and is saying Germany is mafia to get an easy lynch. Germany could actually be mafia, and he's probably some form of scum, so it's not unlikely that he's mafia, but Poland could be trying to get Germany lynched to clear himself. Although, it may be beneficial for us to lynch Germany. If he shows up mafia, that's another mafian down, despite not knowing Poland's alignment. If he shows up neutral, we know Poland's lying along with the elimination of nontown. If he's town, which I doubt, we still know Poland's lying. A town for scum is always a good trade off imo.

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 06:37 PM
Try to lead your own town, u scumbags. ~___~

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 06:40 PM
WHY THE FUNK RNT THERE LAST WILLS?

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 06:41 PM
WHY THE FUNK RNT THERE LAST WILLS?

bcuz I 8 em

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 06:44 PM
oh yeah

CUUURRRRRSE YOU SOUTH KOREA


CUUUUUUUUUURRRRRSEEE

*mumble mumble mumble*

*chant*

YOU ARE CUUUUURRRSED

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 06:48 PM
South Korea is vigilante.

Old FM Sweden
April 21st, 2014, 06:54 PM
South Korea is vigilante.

What?

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 06:58 PM
South Korea is vigilante.

Yes indeed, my dear Watson Brazil. We must make haste!

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 07:06 PM
Spare us the spam please

Old FM Sweden
April 21st, 2014, 07:40 PM
Is no one here? Spain?

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 08:00 PM
Spare us the spam please

nope

Old FM Colombia
April 21st, 2014, 08:00 PM
Is no one here? Spain?

nope^2

Old FM Spain
April 21st, 2014, 08:26 PM
Huh, I expected more people to have posted by now. Most of the active people have been killed off, but there are a few people that have at least been decently posting. I especially thought Poland would be more active, seeing as he "found a mafia" and all. It's one thing to find it, and another to make others believe it. If he's really Sheriff, he should be doing more of the latter.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 08:36 PM
I witch post later.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 08:38 PM
Ed

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 09:30 PM
While I think Germany is likely non-town, I'm hesitant to believe Poland right away.

No excuses taken. Germany must fall. I suspect Spain being a mafia too.

Consider he don't trust Poland but didn't do much help lynch Poland, and at the same time vote German, but 'hesitant' when the real lynch day is coming. It means Spain is distancing itself from other people purposely and contribute to "A good option in wrong time" in order to delay our processes.

Where were you when they were going to lynch poland? Oh you were on german!
Where are you when we are going to lynch German? Oh you are on poland!

Very nice. You are doing it purposely. And I'm just accusing you with no evidence, of course.

Old FM Russia
April 21st, 2014, 09:31 PM
Oh look! Egypt was poisoned and not Poland. Too much kpn for him to be attacked and healed adding to his lies.
FM Poland


Go read day 4 for my full list of arguments against him.

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 09:41 PM
There is no poison report and no interview, only one kill.
So South Korean was indeed the town killer, and there is no tailor.
Therefore England is consort, japan and USA are clean.
USA was blocked when people were healed so USA was not the doctor who did the heal.
Greenland was mafia, so that Egypt was sheriff.
Lybia was mason so that at least two people among Kenya, Thailand, Cyprus, Colombia, Sweden were also Masons.
India, Fiji votes indicate they were not masons.
Costa Rica accusing Sweden, Spain accusing Germany but those actions haven't past the consistence test yet.
I claimed healing Poland. Poland Accusing Germany.
Agentina, Arabian, Iran were standing by and yet taking side solidly but from their contribution,
there is no way they can win if they were mafia.
It is a rather good guess that the other town protectives, neutral or even journalist are among them.
Mexico is here when people need and he made push and defense facing great risks.


I'd say the game is already end in a sense because it is so much more predictable than before,
But I would always dream to be the odd one that make some idiotic movement.

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 09:43 PM
Oh look! Egypt was poisoned and not Poland. Too much kpn for him to be attacked and healed adding to his lies.
FM Poland


Go read day 4 for my full list of arguments against him.

This is exactly what I'm expecting you to do.

You are basically meaning I was lying. So I have no choice but to choose to flip Germany.
---aka a Legit reason to lynch Germany by sole Self-interesting.
Germany

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 09:44 PM
It is weird Russia choose to vote Poland but not me, does that means...Russia you are an insider?

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 09:50 PM
Assuming no Tailor...


Living

Ragnar Lodbrok (Hidden Norseman) (???)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Mason Leader)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Mason)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Escort)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Sheriff?)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Journalist?)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Lookout?)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (???)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (???)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (???)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Citizen)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Citizen)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Citizen)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Citizen)
Hidden Non-Town (???)
Hidden Non-Town (???)
Hidden Any (Serial Killer)
Hidden Any (Toxicologist)
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any

Dead

Hidden Norseman (Consigliere) - Australia
Hidden Norseman (Beguiler) - Greenland
Hidden Norseman (Consort) - England
King Aelle (Hidden Anglo-Saxon) (Mayor) - Italy
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Detective) - Pakistan
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Doctor) - China
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Blacksmith) - Norway
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Vigilante) - South Korea
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Sheriff) - Egypt
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Mason) - Libya
Hidden Anglo-Saxon (Citizen) - France
Hidden Non-Town (Ghost) - New Zealand
Hidden Non-Town (Ninja) - Canada

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 09:57 PM
No sure witch is Mafia or Neutral. Maybe got both Mafia and Neutral witch.
I believe there should be a Drug Dealer. If not, then Tailor and graveyard cannot be trusted.
From N3 night actions, there should be 3-4 Mafia alive.
Can't rule out existence of Cult yet. Since we never lynch Cult Leader suspects.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 10:01 PM
I don't trust Poland yet. Too many lies from him. If Poland wants Germany lynched, please elaborate and don't disappear. But I agree Germany is very likely scum.

I'm witched again yesterday. I feel useless at night :(

Surprised that Egypt didn't claim poisoned yesterday.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 10:03 PM
If killing roles are culted, will their attack/poison go through the same night?

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 10:04 PM
Missing Escort roleblock yesterday.
Missing Journalist/Mafia Journalist/Corrupt Journalist interview and Escort roleblock today.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 10:07 PM
Town will lose majority to Mafia+Neutral Scum in 2-3 days.
Town will lose majority to Mafia+Cult+Neutral Scum tomorrow (but can still play Mafia and Cult factions against each other).

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 10:09 PM
Nobody posts when I'm around. And hardly anyone quotes my post. Feeling ignored.

Meh. Bye.

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 10:12 PM
Exactly Cyprus, I'd say the only possible mafia is in fact Drugdealer and witch, but they can not act every night. Thus not everyday people reporting witching and not everyday people reporting drug.

Egypt counter Poland with poison but at same time, Egypt suspected himself being drugged. If egypt was a responsible town, then it is the only explanation I can come up with.

Aka, there are only 2 mafia alive, the journalist is either neutral or town.
Mafia journalist would carry out the kill every night regardless, apparently it is not the case.

I'd say we flip Germany unless he has to claim some role with conformable feedback.
That is the way to solve things. Do you agree Cyprus?

Some people want to overturn Poland's accusation by taking advantage of the already low credit of Poland.
I'd just remind you guys, Poland made a gambit to save a Town, Norway.
If you believe in no tailor then Germany is the best way to go.

If anyone is still interested in the Tailor possibility, then look into the graveyard and see who would be good targets.

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 10:26 PM
libya was killed by a mass murderer. that is the only explanation.
where the fuck is his last will. i'm serious.

Old FM Russia
April 21st, 2014, 10:30 PM
There is no poison report and no interview, only one kill.
So South Korean was indeed the town killer, and there is no tailor.


Kinda jumping the gun on the no poison report aren't you? Hardly anyone has posted.

I'd vote you too but can only lynch 1 person per day.

Cyprus... Do you leave feedback with your targets? In other words does the witch know your role?

Old FM Russia
April 21st, 2014, 10:32 PM
libya was killed by a mass murderer. that is the only explanation.
where the fuck is his last will. i'm serious.

I'm wondering the same thing since his last will was suppose to confirm me. And why does Egypt not have a last will. >:(

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 10:35 PM
mass murderer?

Old FM Russia
April 21st, 2014, 10:36 PM
Since it's day 5, I think now is a good time for all investigative PRs to claim and give their feedback. We should be able to narrow down the suspect list with 4 nights of investigations.. Stupid Egypt never told us his n3 target.

Old FM Russia
April 21st, 2014, 10:39 PM
Does mass murderer erase last wills? I can't see the bullet points in the role cards.

If not, why would you think mm?

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 10:42 PM
Immune to attacks, including poison.
Immune to Sheriff investigation.
Roles and lastwills are cleaned if only one person is killed.
Must wait 1 night between sprees (2+ kills in 1 night).

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 10:49 PM
assuming no lawyer and not retarded town prs:

n1:
australia - vig
pakistan - maf/mm(1kill) no last will
greenland - lynched
n2:
china - maf, killed twice tho
new zealand - vig
norway - lynched
england - poisoned
n3:
canada - vigilante
south korea - maf
italy - mm, no last will
france - blacksmith gun by iran
n4:
egypt - poisoned/retard?
libya - mm kill or a retard

i'm not sure how china was killed twice, since he had a last will

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 10:54 PM
I don't like how Brazil is buddying Libya and USA yesterday and buddying me today. Suspicious!


I'm wondering the same thing since his last will was suppose to confirm me. And why does Egypt not have a last will. >:(

Host please post Libya last will. You sure Libya submitted his?


Since it's day 5, I think now is a good time for all investigative PRs to claim and give their feedback. We should be able to narrow down the suspect list with 4 nights of investigations.. Stupid Egypt never told us his n3 target.

Maybe vented.


Kinda jumping the gun on the no poison report aren't you? Hardly anyone has posted.

I'd vote you too but can only lynch 1 person per day.

Cyprus... Do you leave feedback with your targets? In other words does the witch know your role?

Perhaps. And whose fault you think it is?

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 10:57 PM
I don't like how Brazil is buddying Libya and USA yesterday and buddying me today. Suspicious!



Host please post Libya last will. You sure Libya submitted his?



Maybe vented.



Perhaps. And whose fault you think it is?

can you come up with a list of possible vent/ghost targets on poland and egypt to see if it makes sense?

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 11:00 PM
yesterdays code:

myphoneisagalaxy
fuckapple

stsspduuxgbdwbno

today's code: tjuhjkere

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 11:01 PM
Since it's day 5, I think now is a good time for all investigative PRs to claim and give their feedback. We should be able to narrow down the suspect list with 4 nights of investigations.. Stupid Egypt never told us his n3 target.

With the number of remaining PRs... not sure if it is a good idea. Too many citizens remaining.

From the start I wanted to lynch lurkers and citizen claimers. But no... you masons stopped me from doing so. And even chastised South Korea for killing lurkers.


Does mass murderer erase last wills? I can't see the bullet points in the role cards.

If not, why would you think mm?

Can't be MM. Confirmed SK.

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 11:03 PM
if we can account for the double kill on china, then it doesn't rule out MM

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 11:04 PM
frankly, it would make more sense.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 11:04 PM
can you come up with a list of possible vent/ghost targets on poland and egypt to see if it makes sense?

Wat. Nobody has yet to claim vented yesterday. Unless it's Egypt or Libya, it's scum.

Poland can't be vented two (or three) days in a row.

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 11:05 PM
libya was killed by a mass murderer. that is the only explanation.
where the fuck is his last will. i'm serious.

If that is the case, then Libya was visited by mass murderer or Libya went to someone who was not at home and was killed.
But according to Russia's response, Libya stayed at home.

However, isn't it weird, only one death? So mafia went on vacation or double hit Libya?
If so, What did libya do to get that attention?
Libya wasn't a great town leader in any sense, unless Libya guessed something right.
And who else could have been killed by Mass murderer and had no last will?

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4

If mass murderer is the case then pick at least one victim each night, assume there were outrageous many double hit.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 11:08 PM
Can't be MM. Confirmed SK.

Unless lawyer. Russia can you confirm that Libya indeed has last will?

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 11:08 PM
If that is the case, then Libya was visited by mass murderer or Libya went to someone who was not at home and was killed.
But according to Russia's response, Libya stayed at home.

However, isn't it weird, only one death? So mafia went on vacation or double hit Libya?
If so, What did libya do to get that attention?
Libya wasn't a great town leader in any sense, unless Libya guessed something right.
And who else could have been killed by Mass murderer and had no last will?

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4

If mass murderer is the case then pick at least one victim each night, assume there were outrageous many double hit.

see:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26978-FM-XXI-Day-5?p=438813&viewfull=1#post438813

Old FM Russia
April 21st, 2014, 11:09 PM
Libya wasn't vented, vents don't have access to mason chat and he posted the code we agreed on from it. I did suspect Egypt being vented/ghost possessed though.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 11:09 PM
If that is the case, then Libya was visited by mass murderer or Libya went to someone who was not at home and was killed.
But according to Russia's response, Libya stayed at home.

However, isn't it weird, only one death? So mafia went on vacation or double hit Libya?
If so, What did libya do to get that attention?
Libya wasn't a great town leader in any sense, unless Libya guessed something right.
And who else could have been killed by Mass murderer and had no last will?

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4

If mass murderer is the case then pick at least one victim each night, assume there were outrageous many double hit.

Mason cannot visit...

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 11:09 PM
did egypt claim lawyered? if he didn't and theres a lawyer, it proves he was vented/ghosted yesterday.

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 11:12 PM
did egypt claim lawyered? if he didn't and theres a lawyer, it proves he was vented/ghosted yesterday.

Lawyer stole last will? I thought they would rather edit it. Especially if the case come to a Sheriff Claimer.


Lawyer
Action: Target one player at night, permanently changing their last will.

Limited to 3 living players with altered last wills.
You may be sent for the nightly factional kill.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 11:14 PM
did egypt claim lawyered? if he didn't and theres a lawyer, it proves he was vented/ghosted yesterday.

Do you understand that with vented+lawyered, we will have 8 mafia... we can kiss cult good bye.

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 11:17 PM
see:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26978-FM-XXI-Day-5?p=438813&viewfull=1#post438813

A lot death were day time death. You also put MM killing tag as you wished. I think it is much better leave it open.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 11:23 PM
Mass Murderer
Action: Target one player at night, killing everyone who visits them.

Immune to attacks, including poison.
Immune to Sheriff investigation.
Roles and lastwills are cleaned if only one person is killed.
Must wait 1 night between sprees (2+ kills in 1 night).

Fucking stop wasting time with lousy hypothesis.

FM Poland

I don't trust him one bit. Not to lynch him. But to force him to talk.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 11:27 PM
FM Germany
FM India
FM Switzerland
FM Thailand


These guys should post more. That said, yes I'll support Germany lynch if Poland show up and lead.

Old FM Cyprus
April 21st, 2014, 11:28 PM
Don't think Germany is citizen.

Old FM USA
April 21st, 2014, 11:38 PM
/derp

FM Germnay

Old FM Brazil
April 21st, 2014, 11:43 PM
These guys should post more. That said, yes I'll support Germany lynch if Poland show up and lead.

What about Costa Rica and Sweden?

Old FM Germany
April 22nd, 2014, 12:13 AM
I found a mafia.

FM Germany

lol. I don't know what poland would gain from misslynching me. Fm Poland

Old FM Japan
April 22nd, 2014, 01:20 AM
Well, first of all i dont believe we have either sk or MM, to less killing at night (with vigi were it 2, now only poison and 1 night kill). Then I got no feedback tonight and im going to pressure Germany, too. FM Germany

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 01:22 AM
nothing happened to me

first of all: egypt was definitely ghosted yesterday. there's no way he would conceal being poisoned + he didnt solve his fucking code. and that even after he followed my tips and put efforts into it so his code is good.

i also suspected there being lawyer after egypt's lack of lw. I WANT EVERYBODY TO WRITE A LAST WILL and it should contain something that confirms it's the real last will (code or role with night actions etc). if you have a last will, write in day chat that you have one. this way mafia can't delete them without anyone noticing.
the obvious night actions would be: n1 pakistan n2 no one (rb?) n3 egypt n4 lybia

n1 there was a missing kill, obvious would be the assumption that the killer was roleblocked. usa and cyprus are the only ones alive, usa was rbed again. cyprus was witched twice. i'm positive cyprus is our poisoner

fm sweden is scummy as fuck, probably a neutral killer too.

mm theory is bullshit, mm cleans role. there is still no vent, just ghost.

poland is probably legit sheriff. germany is the obvious target for a framer. but germany is very scummy indeed. so scummy that he might be jester too. not sure about him
but since it can clear poland
FM Germany
comitting treason but the nazi regime must die

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 01:26 AM
also:

UNICODEUTF
ASCIILATINONE
UFKKWOENBS


new code:
NQCRVDT

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 02:19 AM
I think Kenya, USA and Brazil fake voted Germany.

Those who fully trusted Poland for lying about being attacked healed and tailored are scummy...

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 02:19 AM
What about Costa Rica and Sweden?
What about them?

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 02:30 AM
attacked and healed was probably drugged. suit was real. i think we have a tailor

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 02:50 AM
attacked and healed was probably drugged. suit was real. i think we have a tailor

...

how many starting mafia and how many left.

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 02:51 AM
...

how many starting mafia and how many left.

Then Brazil is team with Poland. Cult or mafia team?

Old FM Russia
April 22nd, 2014, 03:00 AM
Ok, time to try something to get peoples attention since they are soo blind to post analysis.

I'm Sheriff! Poland is Mafia!

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 03:07 AM
Ok, time to try something to get peoples attention since they are soo blind to post analysis.

I'm Sheriff! Poland is Mafia!

Sigh... if you didn't lie yesterday my analysis would be correct. And I deleted it. Time to retype...

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 03:11 AM
Ok, time to try something to get peoples attention since they are soo blind to post analysis.

I'm Sheriff! Poland is Mafia!

you claimed mason.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 03:11 AM
that's retarded

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 03:56 AM
that's retarded
A biased post. CR believed Poland but called Russia retarded. CR team with Poland Brazil.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 04:09 AM
A biased post. CR believed Poland but called Russia retarded. CR team with Poland Brazil.

the sheriff claim is retarded. you just buy it?

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 04:17 AM
the sheriff claim is retarded. you just buy it?

Then answer my question first. How many mafia and roles?

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 04:44 AM
Graveyard Tailor analysis:

Unlikely to be tailored:

FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1 (Vigilante kill)
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1 (Mafia/SK kill, but no reason to tailor as Detective; there are better choices)
FM Greenland - Beguiler - Sacrificed Day 2 (Softclaimed Beguiler in last will)
FM China - Doctor - Died Night 2 (Mafia/SK kill, but no reason to tailor as Doctor; there are better choices)
FM New Zealand - Ghost - Died Night 2 (Vigilante kill)
FM Norway - Blacksmith - Sacrificed Day 3 (Fits claim before being lynched)
FM Canada - Ninja - Died Night 3 (Vigilante kill)
FM South Korea - Vigilante - Died Night 3 (THE Vigilante)
FM Italy - Mayor (King Aelle) - Died Night 3 (THE King)
FM Egypt - Sheriff - Died Day 4 (Fits claim before dying)
FM Libya - Mason - Died Night 4 (Fits claim before dying)

Likely tailored:

FM England - Consort - Died Day 3 (Perhaps Operator as claimed in last will)
FM France - Citizen - Died Night 3 (Then Iran is scum, but a waste of tailoring)
FM Poland - Alive (Claimed tailored)

Old FM Argentina
April 22nd, 2014, 05:06 AM
My priority lynches are: India > Germany > Poland

India and Germany are posting the bare minimum per day to keep from being mod killed, contributing nothing to town. Can't read a scum if they refuse to talk.

Poland is acting extremely suspiciously, maybe it an act to keep scum from targeting him at night, but I doubt it.

Because we are quickly approaching the 6hours remaining mark I will vote for the one of those three with the most votes on them presently.

-vote FM Poland

This is likely a last ditch attempt at Poland to collar a mafia in hopes of securing a false sheriff claim. Not that I mind lynching Germany, even with Poland's scummyness I still consider Germany a higher lynch target. Though Poland is most certainly scum, while alive he is providing useful information such as Brazil's buddying.

Germany

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 05:15 AM
To me, it's more like someone is butthurt that Egypt guessed a scum correctly, and he didn't. Selfish play in detriment to town. LVP material.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 05:16 AM
Then answer my question first. How many mafia and roles?

i'm gonna copy and paste that part of my lw



[...] this makes it pretty likely we have actually a tailor. if that's the case i would say england was town (tailor n2 action), det was some other town role (n1 action) and poland was suited n3 (and attacked healed drugged. n4 no info yet)


mafia roles:
beguiler (dead)
consig (dead)
tailor (possible targets above)
framer (n2 korea; if poland isn't lying)
drug dealer (n1 rb drug n2 witch drug n3 attacked and healed drug n4 witch drug)
lawyer (n1 pakistan n2 no one n3 egypt n4 lybia)


neutrals: witch, sk, toxi, ghost, ninja

hidden roles:
hidden non town: toxi, sk, witch, ghost
hidden any: 2-3 mafias, ninja, some other neutral and/or a town

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 05:17 AM
To me, it's more like someone is butthurt that Egypt guessed a scum correctly, and he didn't. Selfish play in detriment to town. LVP material.

what do you mean

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 05:23 AM
i'm gonna copy and paste that part of my lw

Pakistan is some other town role (N1). Retarded waste of tailoring. Faking dead Detective will make other scum (neutral killer in particular) lower their guard, and risk getting caught by the real Detective. So no. Furthermore, what do they intend to achieve faking dead Detective?

England is Operator (N2). Agree, quite likely.

Poland was suited (N3). Why would they keep him alive then? So that we trust Poland less. Massive waste of a suit. Better drug it, which brings question to attacked and healed.


what do you mean

Directed to certain "someone".

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 05:25 AM
Since if there is a tailor and there is only one suit left, I'll tell you: perhaps they should tailor Culted roles.

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 05:27 AM
Since if there is a tailor and there is only one suit left, I'll tell you: perhaps they should tailor Culted roles.

Based on Mafia starting roles, they should know well enough whether there is Cult or no Cult. If no Cult, fake existence of Cult.

Since they didn't do this, I can easily rule out a few players as Mafia.

Forum Mafia GM
April 22nd, 2014, 05:28 AM
If killing roles are culted, will their attack/poison go through the same night?

Yes

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 05:31 AM
Gotta sleep early today because of some event tomorrow. I'll be late tomorrow but will be able to change my vote to the main train before day ends.

Old FM Argentina
April 22nd, 2014, 05:43 AM
This is likely a last ditch attempt at Poland to collar a mafia in hopes of securing a false sheriff claim. Not that I mind lynching Germany, even with Poland's scummyness I still consider Germany a higher lynch target. Though Poland is most certainly scum, while alive he is providing useful information such as Brazil's buddying.

Germany

Whoops forgot the FM

FM Germany

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 06:13 AM
I'm so scummy that for the past few days you have mentioned it but not once taking action on it. You must not be confident Costa Rica that or just really bad at reading people. Either way you are completely wrong.

Why would Russia wait this long to try and counter claim sheriff on Poland to get him lynched unless its to stall the vote on Germany. I cannot see any other reason as to why he would take this course of action. If anything this attempt at late ccing only makes me believe Poland more and would have caused me to vote Germany if I hadn't already had a vote on them. It's just incredibly fishy.

Old FM Germany
April 22nd, 2014, 06:18 AM
wouldn't surprise me if poland was poisoned last night and he is just using this as a last attempt to cause a misslynch.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 06:26 AM
you leave me no choice

I'm Sheriff! Sweden is Mafia!

FM Sweden

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 06:27 AM
i wouldnt trust poland about germany, sweden is safer

Old FM Germany
April 22nd, 2014, 06:50 AM
you leave me no choice

I'm Sheriff! Sweden is Mafia!

FM Sweden

Considering that i think poland has been poisoned i will go for sweden aswell Fm sweden

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 06:54 AM
So whats the "case" on me exactly? Can't lead a lynch without one and I highly doubt you do.

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 06:59 AM
i wouldnt trust poland about germany, sweden is safer
This is what I mean btw.
How and Why am I "safer"?
Do you have a reason?

Old FM Saudi Arabia
April 22nd, 2014, 07:00 AM
*sigh* There is no way there's 4 Sheriffs in this game dammit, someone who just claimed is scum.
Well nothing happened to me last night. Out of all of the suspicions, I believe in Germany the most, as I was saying yesterday, and Germany's massive OMGUS a little bit back. These are extremely late ccs, you would think they would of been brought up sooner.

FM Germany

In class atm, so I can't put all my thoughts down right now. Though I have more than this.
@Costa Rica besides Sheriff claim, what do you find suspicious about Sweden?

Old FM Saudi Arabia
April 22nd, 2014, 07:00 AM
Like, why did you check Sweden in the first place to reveal he's maf? There were plenty of suspicious people, and you choose Sweden of them all.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 07:04 AM
i got a scum vibe from sweden already on d1 and d2. i voted him on d2 or d3 but ppl told me they see him as town, so i backed off. then yesterday he wanted to lynch me for some stupid reason. BUT at first he said i was townie, when day started. his mind change is scummy as fuck. he saw how stupid mason tried to lynch me and took the opportunity to back up the mislynch. before he said i was town, because he thought that's what everybody already thinks, so he gets some towncred. but when he saw mislynch on me is possible, he jumped on the train.
because of this i checked him tonight.

@sweden: the case is, your are mafia!

Old FM Argentina
April 22nd, 2014, 07:11 AM
Ok, time to try something to get peoples attention since they are soo blind to post analysis.

I'm Sheriff! Poland is Mafia!


you leave me no choice

I'm Sheriff! Sweden is Mafia!

FM Sweden

You are both retarded and doing this only hurts town. Libya didn't counter claim Russia's claim of being mason so right now Russia is the most confirmed town in the game so I can only call him a retard.

Costa Rica you don't have that kind of backing so I'm calling you scum.

My new lynch priority is Germany > Poland > Costa Rica

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 07:13 AM
i got a scum vibe from sweden already on d1 and d2. i voted him on d2 or d3 but ppl told me they see him as town, so i backed off. then yesterday he wanted to lynch me for some stupid reason. BUT at first he said i was townie, when day started. his mind change is scummy as fuck. he saw how stupid mason tried to lynch me and took the opportunity to back up the mislynch. before he said i was town, because he thought that's what everybody already thinks, so he gets some towncred. but when he saw mislynch on me is possible, he jumped on the train.
because of this i checked him tonight.

@sweden: the case is, your are mafia!

Then you dont have a case on me at all. You were townie till you mislynched Norway on us. Halfway through the Norway train you flipped your own read on him and said he is likely town but you never unvoted him. You had already shown an independent mindset but in this train that you lead you wound up following the herd, even after changing your mind about Norway.
From my personal experience strong town don't do that.

Now if you are done playing around id like to make this day productive Costa Rica.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 07:31 AM
Then you dont have a case on me at all. wrong You were townie till you mislynched Norway on us. i did not Halfway through the Norway train you flipped your own read on him explained perfectly yesterday and said he is likely town i did not but you never unvoted him. because i had good reasons to think he's most likely mafia You had already shown an independent mindset but in this train that you lead you wound up following the herd no i did what i thought was best, even after changing your mind about Norway.
From my personal experience strong town don't do that. i am strong town, so either i didnt do it or this is wrong.

Now if you are done playing around id like to make this day productive Costa Rica.

Now if you are done posting bullshit id like to hang you Sweden. just shut up scum


@argentina: russia is retarded, i already said that. you are retarded. i am telling you the truth.

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 07:38 AM
Now I am at work and my boss hates it when I am on the phone so I have to make these messages quick and short. I'll be bak when I have more breathing room.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 07:38 AM
What about Costa Rica and Sweden?What about them?

What did I tell you?

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 07:41 AM
It is no longer the early game. All defendant must make claims to survive me.
Both Sweden and Germany are not going to live.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 07:42 AM
Cyprus if you think England was not consort then you have problem with Japan.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 07:43 AM
let's just get over with sweden. he's already making excuses for not claiming

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 07:45 AM
let's just get over with sweden. he's already making excuses for not claiming

I am a citizen.
How am I making excuses?

Old FM Argentina
April 22nd, 2014, 07:49 AM
I am a citizen.
How am I making excuses?

You shouldn't have claimed.

Your train consisted of Germany and Costa Rica with Brazil who has been buddying Poland as a chaser. Hardly what I would call a credible group.

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 07:53 AM
You shouldn't have claimed.

Your train consisted of Germany and Costa Rica with Brazil who has been buddying Poland as a chaser. Hardly what I would call a credible group.

There are a lot of sheep alive. With my claim their entire platform is blown outta the water. I considered it an acceptable risk to shed light on scum.

Old FM Saudi Arabia
April 22nd, 2014, 07:58 AM
It would help a lot if you both provided textual evidence for what you referenced a few posts ago. I'll look for it myself when I get the chance but that way you both would know what the other is referring to. And it's not smart to shut someone up, Costa Rica, because we can try to get evidence for other scum out of Sweden, if he's indeed scum.

There is no way we have this many Citizens, just saying. It feels like to me the game would be unbalanced. I guess it could be based entirely around Mason Leader and Sheriffs, but I'm a little skeptical on that set up.

A final thing I just thought of is a possibility for Columbia to be Blackmailed. I don't think Ghost would make themselves that obvious, because why would we lynch someone based off of completely uncharacteristic posts? It's the only explanation I can think of besides a possibility of Ghost being idiotic.

Old FM Argentina
April 22nd, 2014, 08:01 AM
There are a lot of sheep alive. With my claim their entire platform is blown outta the water. I considered it an acceptable risk to shed light on scum.

The risk is not yours to bare but TPRs that you could have taken a bullet for. This is why I was so pissed at Mexico, Fiji and India .

Old FM Argentina
April 22nd, 2014, 08:03 AM
It would help a lot if you both provided textual evidence for what you referenced a few posts ago. I'll look for it myself when I get the chance but that way you both would know what the other is referring to. And it's not smart to shut someone up, Costa Rica, because we can try to get evidence for other scum out of Sweden, if he's indeed scum.

There is no way we have this many Citizens, just saying. It feels like to me the game would be unbalanced. I guess it could be based entirely around Mason Leader and Sheriffs, but I'm a little skeptical on that set up.

A final thing I just thought of is a possibility for Columbia to be Blackmailed. I don't think Ghost would make themselves that obvious, because why would we lynch someone based off of completely uncharacteristic posts? It's the only explanation I can think of besides a possibility of Ghost being idiotic.

There is no blackmailer unless every blackmailed person thus far has been killed the following night.

I agree with the sentiment that Columbia's actions make no sense for a ghost though.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 08:14 AM
I only trust people who claimed citizen early than those who came late and never made counter claim on citizens.



You shouldn't have claimed.

Your train consisted of Germany and Costa Rica with Brazil who has been buddying Poland as a chaser. Hardly what I would call a credible group.

I'm not even on the Germany Train atm. what are you superstitious about?

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 08:18 AM
I am a citizen.
How am I making excuses?

bullshit claim, i dont buy this. you're mafia. definitely.

guys should i die tonight you know what do to.
remember it pls

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 08:21 AM
Lol. Of course you don't Costa Rica. Of course you don't.

No Columbia is ghosted. He is too smart to be this dumb.

Old FM Thailand
April 22nd, 2014, 08:48 AM
Wut up niggas wut up

Wut up niggas wut up

I from the county line ready to run wit tha five point

20G's wit a 3G note my niggas

Old FM Thailand
April 22nd, 2014, 08:49 AM
Germany has no swag and he runs wit tha ballas niggas kill is ass

FM Germany

Old FM Thailand
April 22nd, 2014, 08:52 AM
I'm just a normal five point nigga who loves civilians

Civilians r tha bomb mu niggas I'm pretty much a civilian nigga myself nigga

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 09:01 AM
I actually believe there are this many citizens due to how many tprs are in the graveyard and the mafia rolls. Their team is pretty passive in terms of roles it seems and we did have a setup role list thus far that favors citizen strong town.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 09:14 AM
Lol. Of course you don't Costa Rica. Of course you don't.

No Columbia is ghosted. He is too smart to be this dumb.

you think host lied to me?...

Old FM Colombia
April 22nd, 2014, 09:36 AM
Ay Thailand gtfo, there's only one ghost n dats me!

pls dont try to make sense of my actions. theyre too OP

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 09:56 AM
bullshit claim, i dont buy this. you're mafia. definitely.

guys should i die tonight you know what do to.
remember it pls

also many info will be in my lw, it should explain everything. if i have no lw (including lw code), mafia used lawyer on me which only proves sweden is mafia. keep in mind that they may tailor me aswell
and doc pls...

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 10:35 AM
If anyone is sheriff then please reveal previous scan results, no matter if it may or may not against your case.
If you think majority are idiots then you should lose.
There is no way to win if majority town are idiotic.
Therefore, bury everything in last will is plainly stupid.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 10:40 AM
My guess is that Russia or Columbia will be attacked soon.

Old FM Russia
April 22nd, 2014, 10:52 AM
If anyone is sheriff then please reveal previous scan results, no matter if it may or may not against your case.
If you think majority are idiots then you should lose.
There is no way to win if majority town are idiotic.
Therefore, bury everything in last will is plainly stupid.

1- don't have any other results.. they are all dead.
2- I'm counting on most dumb town not reading day ... its the only way I can see people trusting Poland despite the huge amount of evidence against him.
3- I agree - failed to lynch yesterday makes this game seem like a lost cause.

Old FM Iran
April 22nd, 2014, 11:04 AM
Omg, Russia is Sheriff, I'm totally voting Poland!

FM Poland

I appreciate Russia's plan, Poland should probably be the lynch toDay. Look at the amount of Citizen claimers. Look at the Masons. Town has a way of confirming up to 4 Townies and I don't think double Sheriff in such setup is very likely. And Poland is scummy to begin with.

Can Ghost/ventriloquist erase the LW of possessed target? Can possesed target make LW during the Day?

I need Poland to write a decent lw toDay, just in case.

Old FM Japan
April 22nd, 2014, 11:09 AM
Guys srsl? Russia claimed yesterday Mason already and Libya said nothing against it what does that say to us? Right he is mason and just tries for whatever reason to lynch Poland who I believe could be scum, but i basically prefer germany atm who is it L-4 and still didnt claimed anything..

Old FM Saudi Arabia
April 22nd, 2014, 11:27 AM
Guys srsl? Russia claimed yesterday Mason already and Libya said nothing against it what does that say to us? Right he is mason and just tries for whatever reason to lynch Poland who I believe could be scum, but i basically prefer germany atm who is it L-4 and still didnt claimed anything..Germany claimed Cit yesterday iirc.

Old FM Saudi Arabia
April 22nd, 2014, 11:28 AM
1- don't have any other results.. they are all dead.
2- I'm counting on most dumb town not reading day ... its the only way I can see people trusting Poland despite the huge amount of evidence against him.
3- I agree - failed to lynch yesterday makes this game seem like a lost cause.Didn't you say you were Mason yesterday? You can't be both Mason and Sheriff, choose one.

Forum Mafia GM
April 22nd, 2014, 11:29 AM
Can Ghost/ventriloquist erase the LW of possessed target? Can possesed target make LW during the Day?

No, Ghost/Ventriloquist cannot write nor erase last wills for their targets.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 11:33 AM
lol guys really it's painful to see you guys trying to decide between germany and poland, but the fact is we don't know if poland is telling the truth or not, so i'd say we shouldnt lynch any of them and go for sweden who is definitely scum.

Old FM Iran
April 22nd, 2014, 11:36 AM
Freshly respawned Jesus Christ, it's obvious Russia is Mason. He claimed Sheriff to make stupid Townies vote Poland, something that I like and agree with.

Russia, was toNight's convertion a success? Or ML is still a jackass?

Old FM Iran
April 22nd, 2014, 11:37 AM
No, Ghost/Ventriloquist cannot write nor erase last wills for their targets.

What about their target? Can he makes LW while being possessed or he is denied any access to his account?

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 11:37 AM
i really dont understand why everyone is ignoring my sheriff result
because apparently you don't trust poland

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 11:40 AM
How town people would represent their interests in particular topic:

A: Claim a role
Peep: Fake as fuck
B: Sheriff Lead
Peep: NopeNopeNope
C: Useless side argument
Peep: insert arguments here
D: I vote you!
Peep: D is probably scum.
E: *Gambit*
Peep: Hang the douche!
.
.
.
Russia: *Sarcasm
Peep: You think I'm dumb?
.
.
.
Yea. If you react to sarcasm, you didn't see it come yet!
I hope I live through the night.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 11:42 AM
i really dont understand why everyone is ignoring my sheriff result
because apparently you don't trust poland

Simply you haven't been gathering attention and credit, plus you didn't show up to counter any previous sheriff claims.
So, you are 2 late.

If you want a train, you either have to have solid town read, or have bunch of allies/buddies.
But instead you have none.
Plus town is handful already.
I would ignore your precious lead as well, aka I won't heal you.

Old FM Iran
April 22nd, 2014, 11:43 AM
Costa Rica, are you seriously claiming Sheriff?:|

Answer without joking or sarcasm, please.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 11:44 AM
btw my other results so far are: n1 canada neutral n2 mexico town n3 egypt town

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 11:46 AM
Simply you haven't been gathering attention and credit, plus you didn't show up to counter any previous sheriff claims.
So, you are 2 late.

If you want a train, you either have to have solid town read, or have bunch of allies/buddies.
But instead you have none.
Plus town is handful already.
I would ignore your precious lead as well, aka I won't heal you.

just because you dont think i'm town doesn't mean everybody thinks so. but FYI i wasn't hoping on you when i called for a doctor, because you are just too dumb, sry. but after sweden's flip even you should realize...
but thx anyway for making me a vulnerable target. unless wifom...

Forum Mafia GM
April 22nd, 2014, 11:46 AM
What about their target? Can he makes LW while being possessed or he is denied any access to his account?

I'll accept last wills from main accounts if possessed.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 11:47 AM
just because you dont think i'm town doesn't mean everybody thinks so. but FYI i wasn't hoping on you when i called for a doctor, because you are just too dumb, sry. but after sweden's flip even you should realize...
but thx anyway for making me a vulnerable target. unless wifom...

FYI I never said you are scum. I vote you because I know you have night action and feedback but held for yourself.
You are just too dumb.

I think Iran would be one of your hope, so you better buddy him a little bit.

Old FM Colombia
April 22nd, 2014, 11:48 AM
Ay Odin, can u pls change posts per page to 50? I dun like 8 pages pls Odin. pls

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 11:51 AM
FYI I never said you are scum. I vote you because I know you have night action and feedback but held for yourself.
You are just too dumb.

I think Iran would be one of your hope, so you better buddy him a little bit.

ah now how you know i had a night action, you just turned investigative too?
also you just admitted you voted me because you thought i'm a TPR? are you serious? and you wanted a TPR to reveal to become a target? seriously is this your first fm, because no matter what faction you are that is plain stupid

Old FM Colombia
April 22nd, 2014, 11:54 AM
ah now how you know i had a night action, you just turned investigative too?
also you just admitted you voted me because you thought i'm a TPR? are you serious? and you wanted a TPR to reveal to become a target? seriously is this your first fm, because no matter what faction you are that is plain stupid

Honestly, and I say that as a Ghost, Brazil looked vented yesterday to me. Suspicious, ain't it? Better go lynch him, just in case.

Forum Mafia GM
April 22nd, 2014, 11:54 AM
Ay Odin, can u pls change posts per page to 50? I dun like 8 pages pls Odin. pls

No, but you can do it yourself now D:
Editing Avatars, ect, will result in modkill, so use yer head.

Old FM Colombia
April 22nd, 2014, 12:01 PM
No, but you can do it yourself now D:
Editing Avatars, ect, will result in modkill, so use yer head.

thx bb

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 12:04 PM
" thx anyway for making me a vulnerable target. "
Average level excuse.
Who here is not a vulnerable target? Citizen claimers? Duh.
I could say the same oh "I healed poland so that I'm vulnerable too."
Anyone here think only themselves want to survive longer? What is a team for?
There were two sheriff claim and a vigi, plus my doctor claim and libya/russia's mason claim, who the hell would target other claims first?

I'd say other town should make more claims even if it is citizens, because Soko is already MVP and you all should give up too much wifom and gambit shit.
If you want to gambit, do it now! Do it early!
Don't do it late and cause unfix-able results.

Old FM Switzerland
April 22nd, 2014, 12:07 PM
Apologies everyone. I've asked for a replacement; I can't dedicate any time to a game of this scale right now.

Best of luck; sorry I've been lurking my ass off.

Old FM Argentina
April 22nd, 2014, 12:08 PM
i really dont understand why everyone is ignoring my sheriff result
because apparently you don't trust poland

I don't believe you are a Sheriff.

I don't believe Poland is a Sheriff either but the difference is, I already wanted to lynch Germany.

I imagine others feel the same way.

Old FM Colombia
April 22nd, 2014, 12:08 PM
Apologies everyone. I've asked for a replacement; I can't dedicate any time to a game of this scale right now.

Best of luck; sorry I've been lurking my ass off.

I forgive you.

Old FM Russia
April 22nd, 2014, 12:09 PM
Russia, was toNight's convertion a success? Or ML is still a jackass?

ML is an afk/lurking jackass that doesn't send in night actions on time.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 12:09 PM
ah now how you know i had a night action, you just turned investigative too?
also you just admitted you voted me because you thought i'm a TPR? are you serious? and you wanted a TPR to reveal to become a target? seriously is this your first fm, because no matter what faction you are that is plain stupid

I don't need to be investigative to suspect that.

From discussion, interviews, lastwills, there are plainty people relies on GUT FEELING.
But many are not.

The people really rely on gut feeling would not often claim that their feeling are solid before execution.
You are the only one claims that your feeling is so great and accurate.

That means,
Either you have a team or you have informations, feedbacks because
1. excluding is the ultimate tool of gut guessing, if you were not bluffing, then you have something to rely on.
2. You have feedback to confirm yourself, even if you back fired, you think you can still fix it up.

You were not mason, so you must be some role which can visit at night but find nothing directly interesting just yet.
It is just plainly obvious.
The best way to get information out of you and save you at same time is to vote you, that's what I did yesterday.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 12:19 PM
No, but you can do it yourself now D:
Editing Avatars, ect, will result in modkill, so use yer head.

I feel so screwed. I want to play football in Avatars.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 12:31 PM
" thx anyway for making me a vulnerable target. "
Average level excuse.
Who here is not a vulnerable target? Citizen claimers? Duh.
I could say the same oh "I healed poland so that I'm vulnerable too."
Anyone here think only themselves want to survive longer? What is a team for?
There were two sheriff claim and a vigi, plus my doctor claim and libya/russia's mason claim, who the hell would target other claims first?

I'd say other town should make more claims even if it is citizens, because Soko is already MVP and you all should give up too much wifom and gambit shit.
If you want to gambit, do it now! Do it early!
Don't do it late and cause unfix-able results.
lol are you dumb? oh yea nothing new.
i'm sheriff. i'm a high value target. mafia KNOWS now you won't be on me (not accounting for wifom now)
what do you think happens? i will definitely get killed. because they sure want me dead and now they know there is a doctor on me.
sure i'd be not that bad if you just wouldn't be on me, because the mafia would still consider the risk of killing me, but SAYING so is really bad. that's why i'm vulnerable. i'm an exposed TPR who definitely won't be healed by you. and once i'm dead you lost a lot

I don't need to be investigative to suspect that.

From discussion, interviews, lastwills, there are plainty people relies on GUT FEELING.
But many are not.

The people really rely on gut feeling would not often claim that their feeling are solid before execution.
You are the only one claims that your feeling is so great and accurate.

That means,
Either you have a team or you have informations, feedbacks because
1. excluding is the ultimate tool of gut guessing, if you were not bluffing, then you have something to rely on.
2. You have feedback to confirm yourself, even if you back fired, you think you can still fix it up.

You were not mason, so you must be some role which can visit at night but find nothing directly interesting just yet.
It is just plainly obvious.
The best way to get information out of you and save you at same time is to vote you, that's what I did yesterday.

this is complete bullshit, you are right, i am TPR and i also softhinted this at some times, but first, citizens can also rely on post analysis and second, TPRs rely on gut feelings and post analysis aswell and so did i. yes i claim my scum hunting skills is quite accurate, because that's usually the case when i play fms, but that doesn't mean i'm always right by far. just the chance i am right is big enough.
and the best way to get information out of me is to wait till i find scum and reveal, which happened to happen today

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 12:41 PM
so? Calling others bullshit is all you get? I told you that you claimed TPR too late.
Have I ever called you a liar? No I didn't. I just won't heal you. That's all I can do.
So roll over and die, not my problem.

If you want more votes, ask others don't ask me. Acting like a shitty mouth doesn't help your case.

In fact, the more you argue with me, the less popular you become.
Consequentially, your support will drop too.
The train will be severely delayed.

Again, not my problem. You screwed yourself.
If that is the best way, then I wouldn't heal you.
I have much more toxic to neutralize.

I'm completely bullshit, but I'm right. You are right too but doing it wrongly won't help you.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 12:54 PM
so? Calling others bullshit is all you get? I told you that you claimed TPR too late.
Have I ever called you a liar? No I didn't. I just won't heal you. That's all I can do.
So roll over and die, not my problem.

If you want more votes, ask others don't ask me. Acting like a shitty mouth doesn't help your case.

In fact, the more you argue with me, the less popular you become.
Consequentially, your support will drop too.
The train will be severely delayed.

Again, not my problem. You screwed yourself.
If that is the best way, then I wouldn't heal you.
I have much more toxic to neutralize.

I'm completely bullshit, but I'm right. You are right too but doing it wrongly won't help you.

if you're town it is actually your problem if i die.
i didnt just call it bullshit, i explained it.
i did not claim too late, if at all too early. and you claimed way to early for absolutely nothing. claiming for nothing is just plain retarded and i had no info yesterday. srsly how many fms have you played? how many ppl claimed PR on d4 for nothing? how many times this helped? i only recall fm18 and like i said, town lost because of it
i'm not asking for your vote seeing how dumb you are
how arguing with you lowers my credibility is something i cant see, because you're ONLY posting bullshit. actually i think it's moot. you're not some super confirmed town because you claimed protective for nothing. for some reason you didnt even give night actions, which is also plain stupid after your claim. there are only 2 reasons to hide night actions: a) the info helps scum b) the info outs your role. neither is true here. and if you don't want to argue then don't, i can't do this alone.
so in your opinion i screwed myself because of what? because i claimed my role? because i claimed to late? because i am pointing out how much shit you're posting?

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 12:55 PM
brazil: "I'd say other town should make more claims even if it is citizens, because Soko is already MVP"

also this, i'm not playing for mvp i'm playing for win lol. playing for mvp just hurts the town

Old FM Russia
April 22nd, 2014, 01:02 PM
Hypothetical question: if you were a vigilante and a scummy person claimed sheriff and said he had a guilty result on you... Wouldn't you shoot that person the next night?

Poland claimed attacked and healed yesterday, Brazil claimed he protected him. South Korea dies and lw said she attacked canada... All regular attacks accounted for when Egypt died to poison.

Something does not add up here. I don't know what roles scum have but everything is pointing to Poland being scum.

I haven't looked at Germany too much yet but from what I see the only argument against him that has value is Poland saying he got a guilty result on him.

Old FM USA
April 22nd, 2014, 01:02 PM
Can I make a claim of sheriff too clearing germany?

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 01:04 PM
sure go ahead

Old FM Russia
April 22nd, 2014, 01:05 PM
Soko was the most anti-town spammer here. Not MVP.

MVP will probably go to a scum player because of the chaos they've caused that have town running in circles.

Old FM USA
April 22nd, 2014, 01:06 PM
Wait is Thailand acting ghosted as well?

Old FM USA
April 22nd, 2014, 01:08 PM
That would confirm Poland as scum.

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 01:10 PM
Soko was the most anti-town spammer here. Not MVP.

MVP will probably go to a scum player because of the chaos they've caused that have town running in circles.

not if we win this, mvp usually goes to winning faction. but there'll probably be 2 again anyway + players choice. not like it matters yet.

so russia, what do you think of sweden and my mafia result on him. tbh i dont see a train on poland atm going through atm, and maybe also not on sweden, so we can just hope germany is scum which would confirm poland. but if you really think poland is lying about germany you should support the sweden train.
keep in mind poland could also be ghosted today, he didnt made a code iirc

Old FM USA
April 22nd, 2014, 01:14 PM
Columbia is ghosted, I think

I support a Poland lynch

[Vote]Fm poland[\vote]

Old FM USA
April 22nd, 2014, 01:14 PM
Fm poland

Old FM Russia
April 22nd, 2014, 01:26 PM
not if we win this, mvp usually goes to winning faction. but there'll probably be 2 again anyway + players choice. not like it matters yet.

so russia, what do you think of sweden and my mafia result on him. tbh i dont see a train on poland atm going through atm, and maybe also not on sweden, so we can just hope germany is scum which would confirm poland. but if you really think poland is lying about germany you should support the sweden train.
keep in mind poland could also be ghosted today, he didnt made a code iirc

I'll argue MVP in epilogue when everything is clear.

Due to the extreme lack of confirmable information from the role list, death descriptions, roles in graveyard, last wills, etc. I'm focussing on 1 person at a time. Right now that is Poland and I won't rest until I see his name in the graveyard.

Until I get back onto my computer and stop posting from my phone, I'm not going to look at anyone else in depth because I can't search posts and analyze from my phone.

Other that you saying Sweden is scum and some other people saying she looks scummy, I don't have an informed opinion about Sweden. I'd have to go look at the voting patterns on all the trains to get a clearer picture.

Has anyone presented any evidence against Sweden other than saying she looks scummy? Who explained why she looks scummy? Or is the only thing we have is your night result...

Old FM Costa Rica
April 22nd, 2014, 01:54 PM
I explained earlier today

Old FM Iran
April 22nd, 2014, 02:05 PM
If one member of certain team faction is AFk can other send a night action for him? E.g. can mafioso send a night action for a AFk Godfather? Can Mason send action for their AFK ML?

Old FM USA
April 22nd, 2014, 02:06 PM
When people say they already explained, could they post where they're talking about? Just so it's clear. Thanks.

Forum Mafia GM
April 22nd, 2014, 02:13 PM
If one member of certain team faction is AFk can other send a night action for him? E.g. can mafioso send a night action for a AFk Godfather? Can Mason send action for their AFK ML?

Mafia members are able to send night actions in for fellow Mafia members. A Mafia member can't change the night action of another member if the Godfather or the specific Mafia member has submitted their night action. Godfather has the ability to override all choices of night action.

Masons cannot force a ML to visit due to having limited charges.

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 02:31 PM
I am home. I am now going to post my evidence that shows Costa Rica is talking out of her ass.

Old FM Sweden
April 22nd, 2014, 02:40 PM
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=436905#post436905
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=436948#post436948
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437384#post437384
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437421#post437421
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437427#post437427
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437432#post437432
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437476#post437476
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437505#post437505
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437554#post437554
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437576#post437576
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26889-FM-XXI-Day-3?p=437642#post437642

As you can see by these links Costa Rica tries to train onto me then quickly moves off when he sees there is no traction to it.
Then when he finds a weak leak in Norways claim he latches onto it and drives forward a ton of votes. During this time frame Costa Rica flips back and forth between saying Norway is scum and Norway is possibly town. He tries to cover his own ass by saying its not his fault if Norway flips town and that he "can't be sure Norway is scum or not"

Please tell me how these are the actions of a "Sheriff" or a Town member Costa Rica.

Old FM Japan
April 22nd, 2014, 03:23 PM
Well, the thing is I dont want to misjudge someone again, just because he plays bad as Egypt (and Norway) did, so I will give Poland this last try to confirm himself with Germany.

Old FM Mexico
April 22nd, 2014, 03:37 PM
i'm sheriff.


btw my other results so far are: n1 canada neutral n2 mexico town n3 egypt town

Why me N2? Serious question.

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 03:45 PM
Please get Poland to answer Russia and my questions becausr I won't be around to pressure him. If I don't trust Egypt D2 I won't trust Poland either.

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 03:46 PM
However I trust Germany less than Greenland. Germany should start contributing too.

Old FM Poland
April 22nd, 2014, 04:05 PM
Costa Rica is Town.

Old FM Spain
April 22nd, 2014, 04:19 PM
No excuses taken. Germany must fall. I suspect Spain being a mafia too.

Consider he don't trust Poland but didn't do much help lynch Poland, and at the same time vote German, but 'hesitant' when the real lynch day is coming. It means Spain is distancing itself from other people purposely and contribute to "A good option in wrong time" in order to delay our processes.

Where were you when they were going to lynch poland? Oh you were on german!
Where are you when we are going to lynch German? Oh you are on poland!

Very nice. You are doing it purposely. And I'm just accusing you with no evidence, of course.
I voted Poland yesterday. I had my vote on Germany as pressure, but switched to Poland as day drew to a close. I don't think either are town, and as I've said before, I'm willing to lynch either. I didn't vote German right away because I didn't want the lynch to get locked right away. At the rate it was going, it looked like it would.

We were never going to lynch Germany yesterday. If you check the vote count, you'll see that at the end of yesterday, Ireland was the only one with a vote on Germany.

Old FM Colombia
April 22nd, 2014, 04:25 PM
FM Poland

Old FM Mexico
April 22nd, 2014, 04:27 PM
Costa Rica is Town.

I really doubt Costa is town, like a large amount. Checked me N2, really?

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 04:54 PM
I think it is pretty clear.

Either we flip German, or we flip Poland.

I think people need to question themselves which one is better,
I would ask Cyprus or Arabia to construct a serial of questions
so that people such as Agentina must answer which one is better for town in general.
There is no absolute answer, but this is a rare good chance to read.

I have warned Costa Rica that it is too late. Look his train, no one is on it.
His revealing and information came in a not so good time.
His credibility is yet established.
I doubt if costa rica is sheriff, but I don't doubt rica is town if poland said so.
If poland is alive, I won't heal Costa Rica though, for his flip is good to me.
Valuable sheriff? It is just a laughing stock.
A sheriff claim isn't persuasive enough for your Sweden case.
In fact, you haven't been persuading people other than the sheriff claim.
It is just super lame for sheriff you know?

Old FM Kenya
April 22nd, 2014, 05:05 PM
Sorry I've been inactive today. I've been super busy. I should hopefully be able to participate more on day 6.

Some general notes from what I've read today:
1. wtf is with all the sheriff claims
2. I'm sticking with my vote on Germany because I think he is scummy enough that I don't mind lynching him, and if he's mafia we clear Poland of being mafia.
3. Either the attack + heal or the tailoring on Poland is a drug. Maybe both if there are two DDs (which would actually explain a lot)
4. Here is my code: IAWSRKUGLONHZEPYZL

Old FM Kenya
April 22nd, 2014, 05:07 PM
Oh, I just realized there are 25 more hours today. I thought we only had one. Ok, I may actually be able to contribute more the remainder of this day. Hopefully starting in a few hours.

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 05:11 PM
I really hate this code thing.
So instead I will post this instead:
6x = 12 (mod 15)
8x = 16 (mod 64)
x = 55 (mod 77)
Key: Why this?

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 05:13 PM
I really doubt Costa is town, like a large amount. Checked me N2, really?

I'd say this:

If Poland is town and he visited Costa, then Costa is town.
If poland is mafia and he claims Costa town as a gambit, then Costa is not mafia.

Old FM Iran
April 22nd, 2014, 05:23 PM
At this point Poland's flip will give us a ton of info, because he's been inciting hot emotions since Day 2. If he is scum, we can probably lynch another scum based on interractions alone. If he flips Town we can clear some people.

I guess it's time for Poland to lose against Germany once again.

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 05:24 PM
btw my other results so far are: n1 canada neutral n2 mexico town n3 egypt town

Stupid town wasting my time why nobody notice this. Did CR vote roleblocked Canada when there is obvious poisoner? I don't think so only SK and I voted.

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 05:26 PM
Poland punching bag fer Russia and Germany!

Shit Poland lurked again.

Old FM USA
April 22nd, 2014, 06:21 PM
brazil, why aren't you on the germany train if you trust poland so much, since you saved him and all

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 07:02 PM
brazil, why aren't you on the germany train if you trust poland so much, since you saved him and all

Well asked! I have been waiting people to ask me that ever since yesterday people pointed out I fake voted Germany.
(Notice I have (fake)voted and unvoted several times.)

Good eye USA.

The first reason is that the fact I budded and healed poland will contribute to a Germany train with me on it too sketchy to be real. In order to lynch Germany more productively, I decided to over-watch the momentum but stay out of it.

The second reason came by when Costa Rica said Sweden is mafia. Honestly, I didn't expect Costa Rica come up a lead when he is completely not pressured. Therefore the only few good explanation of Costa Rica are either 1. He try to protect Germany. or 2. He actually find the mafia. The second reason is that I have been waiting for a chance to vote Sweden. Sweden is my original suggestion of lynch in my last will edited 10 hours ago. Though hopeless, it is my personal option.

The third reason is that I'm fully aware of my presence, I have couple tricks/information in my hand but it requires the authority. Keep it clear: You know when people don't report their night coincidence(contrary from what I get), they get huge scum read from me. That is what I have. However, notice my healing on Poland is already been challenged by people. Maybe I fall in some trap already, thus those plots must wait or lying in last will.

Sketchy, isn't it? But I'm fully honest.

Old FM Colombia
April 22nd, 2014, 07:04 PM
Ooooohhh, I'm making some interesting observations. Wish I was something other than Neutral this game. Bleh.

Old FM Iran
April 22nd, 2014, 07:53 PM
Goddammit, Costa Rica is not Sheriff, he is just trolling. Unless he decided it's perfectly plausible that we have 3 Sheriffs in here and decided that Poland is legit.

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 09:22 PM
Checked in only to see fake contribution by Brazil, telling scum to kill Cyprus, Saudi Arabia and Argentina.

Brazil when are you going to dump petrodollar?

Old FM Brazil
April 22nd, 2014, 09:28 PM
Checked in only to see fake contribution by Brazil, telling scum to kill Cyprus, Saudi Arabia and Argentina.

Brazil when are you going to dump petrodollar?

I think they should kill Japan too, who is also deadly smart.
Which contribute is fake? Can't you come up some brilliant questions just like before?
I think you are capable.
Petrodollars can be dumped when I'm fully industrialized.

Old FM Cyprus
April 22nd, 2014, 09:36 PM
I think they should kill Japan too, who is also deadly smart.
Which contribute is fake? Can't you come up some brilliant questions just like before?
I think you are capable.
Petrodollars can be dumped when I'm fully industrialized.

Unlike you my life is not spent at SC2Mafia forum.

Conference resuming soon you see guys 6 hours later.

Old FM USA
April 23rd, 2014, 12:23 AM
oh my gosh, usually there's more discussion in these games.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 01:23 AM
Fm Poland

Old FM Japan
April 23rd, 2014, 01:26 AM
oh my gosh, usually there's more discussion in these games.

Yeah seems like we met a new record in low contribution today, but to be honest I have no idea what we could discuss atm, we have a bunch of town that tries to confuse other town and everyone is throwing out random claims, what are we supposed to do lol. Oh and yeah the ghost went on the Poland train just btw.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 01:31 AM
My role is citizen if anyone wants to know. The mason leader can confirm me if he wants to.

Old FM USA
April 23rd, 2014, 01:41 AM
FM Germany

policy vote on noncontributing citizens. citizens should be the most active, to try and take a bullet. you haven't been helpful at all.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 02:18 AM
Oh not PR. Die scum!

Poland you are lucky today. If Germany is not Mafia, even your big brother won't be able to save you tomorrow. We will give you the IMF treatment: chop you up and sell you off. If Poland is wrong stop him from fleeing.

FM Germany

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 02:18 AM
L-2 btw.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 02:30 AM
Japan, discussion died because Poland call out mafia the first thing in the day and disappeared. Such action kills discussion because lynch target was set, A or B is lying. That's why others started claiming Sheriff too.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 02:35 AM
I don't think i would have claimed citizen if i was a scum. But whatever, poland is going to die from poison today and he will succeed in causing a misslynch befeore he dies.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 02:42 AM
I don't think i would have claimed citizen if i was a scum. But whatever, poland is going to die from poison today and he will succeed in causing a misslynch befeore he dies.
You are poisoner?

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 02:45 AM
You are poisoner?

No, my true role is bulletproof. I was going to reveal it befeore the day ended since i was attacked last night. Only reason i tried to make south korea shoot me was becouse i thought he was a neutral killer.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 02:47 AM
You used Zyklon B!

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 02:48 AM
Poisoner bulletproof too. You didn't really try to get shot...

Means I'm good you are PR! Woot!

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 02:50 AM
Poisoner bulletproof too. You didn't really try to get shot...

Means I'm good you are PR! Woot!

I don't know why i was attacked last night. Do i get a feedback if the poisoner visits me if i am immune?

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 02:52 AM
No idea.

So as bulletproof you didn't bother doing your job? Tsk tsk

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 02:53 AM
No idea.

So as bulletproof you didn't bother doing your job? Tsk tsk

I tried to make south korea shoot me. I didn't know that he actually was a vigilante.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 02:58 AM
Maybe poland shot me.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:08 AM
Perhaps. But I see no reason for Poland to lynch you as scum. SK, mafia and poisoner can win together.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:11 AM
Perhaps. But I see no reason for Poland to lynch you as scum. SK, mafia and poisoner can win together.

Maybe poland is mafia and was poisoned last night? Maybe he thinks im the poisoner. He could have recieved a blacksmith gun aswell. Or maybe he's just dumb.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:18 AM
Lynching the poisoner saves someone from poison, right?

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:22 AM
See my previous post. No, not unless he has extra chromosomes...

Don't think so...

In any case you are neutral killer and not mafia. So Poland still scum. Gonna reveal the hidden hand behind Poland will post later.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:25 AM
I know a lot of players who love to have your claimed role over other PRs. What a waste.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:26 AM
Im not a neutral killer. Im the bulletproof. Why do you think i chose this avatar?

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:27 AM
I know a lot of players who love to have your claimed role over other PRs. What a waste.

I was attacked so i haven't failed at doing my job.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:30 AM
Gas chamber?

PEDIT: Sorry but I find it very hard to believe you. Like doctor who claimed to heal India 4 nights straight.

Perhaps. If you are town I'll help you get revenge on Poland.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:31 AM
Gas chamber?

PEDIT: Sorry but I find it very hard to believe you. Like doctor who claimed to heal India 4 nights straight.

Perhaps. If you are town I'll help you get revenge on Poland.

I think its funny that you actually believe polands claim. I thought you were a better player then that.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:32 AM
Even russia and costa rica are more trustworthy then poland. He even said that he got a mafia result on south korea.

Old FM Russia
April 23rd, 2014, 03:32 AM
I do remember Germany claiming on day 2 that he had no feedback to report but said that he couldn't say the same for his target... hinting PR.

This sounds like something a bulletproof would do. Still havent had a chance to evaluate all of Germanys actions/posts/train rides.

Old FM Russia
April 23rd, 2014, 03:34 AM
I think its funny that you actually believe polands claim. I thought you were a better player then that.

Oh he is... which is why he needs to tread lightly, I already suspect him but don't have enough evidence to mount a decent argument to lynch him, I have a ton of evidence against Poland and I'm still pulling teeth and nails with this town to get something done about it.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:34 AM
Hey. While I can sense that you are PR I won't know if you are town or scum.

You role didn't fit your actions. Even if Poland didn't false accuse you, I'll still lynch you.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:38 AM
Hey. While I can sense that you are PR I won't know if you are town or scum.

You role didn't fit your actions. Even if Poland didn't false accuse you, I'll still lynch you.

There is so much more info to be gained by lynching poland. I think it's suspicious that you are ignoring that. But i guess scums would want to get rid of the bulletproof.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:39 AM
I do remember Germany claiming on day 2 that he had no feedback to report but said that he couldn't say the same for his target... hinting PR.

This sounds like something a bulletproof would do. Still havent had a chance to evaluate all of Germanys actions/posts/train rides.

He claimed attacked yesterday... not N2

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:39 AM
He claimed attacked yesterday... not N2

I hinted that i was a pr on day 2, so that i would be attacked.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:40 AM
There is so much more info to be gained by lynching poland. I think it's suspicious that you are ignoring that. But i guess scums would want to get rid of the bulletproof.
Hell you claimed citizen then became bulletproof.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:42 AM
Hell you claimed citizen then became bulletproof.

Oh and you asked ML to visit you...

Old FM USA
April 23rd, 2014, 03:42 AM
FM Poland

polands lynch is so much more useful.
does anyone think poland might be jester?

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:45 AM
And once scum knows that bulletproof is bulletproof you are no better than a citizen. A good bulletproof plays like China, Egypt and South Korea.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:47 AM
Oh and you asked ML to visit you...

I was going to claim a pr befeore the end of the day. I didn't know that everyone would hate citizen so much.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 03:49 AM
FM Poland

polands lynch is so much more useful.
does anyone think poland might be jester?

No. A neutral but not a Jester, imo.

Let me decide whether to spill it out. I want Poland to post first.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 03:50 AM
And once scum knows that bulletproof is bulletproof you are no better than a citizen. A good bulletproof plays like China, Egypt and South Korea.

I was attacked so i don't know why you are complaining so much. The mafia probably allready knows that i am immune.

Old FM Saudi Arabia
April 23rd, 2014, 03:55 AM
Germany. You make it sound like you have a bunch of roles to claim from. This means you lied at some point about who you are. Why the hell are you changing your role up? You're not Cit, Bulletproof, and PR..

I'm leaving for school right now, so I shouldn't be active for quite some time. Hopefully I can be back in time for end of day though.

Old FM Germany
April 23rd, 2014, 04:20 AM
Germany. You make it sound like you have a bunch of roles to claim from. This means you lied at some point about who you are. Why the hell are you changing your role up? You're not Cit, Bulletproof, and PR..


Im the bulletproof so that would make sense.

Old FM Russia
April 23rd, 2014, 04:57 AM
Fun fact: 4 (5 with brazil) people on the Germany train voted against Norway. +Poland who I'm convinced is scum. And I can't say I trust the other 3 either - or at least they haven't given me any reason to trust them.

FM Germany (8 [L-3]):
FM Poland, FM Sweden, FM Kenya, FM Cyprus, FM Japan, FM Argentina, FM Saudi Arabia, FM Thailand

+(Brazil) Fueling germany lynch but is currently not on the train.

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 05:03 AM
Norway was waving her halberd-shaped pom-pom cheering "YOU ARE GONNA BE LYNCHED" when SK was defending herself...

Old FM Cyprus
April 23rd, 2014, 05:10 AM
Fun fact: 4 (5 with brazil) people on the Germany train voted against Norway. +Poland who I'm convinced is scum. And I can't say I trust the other 3 either - or at least they haven't given me any reason to trust them.

FM Germany (8 [L-3]):
FM Poland, FM Sweden, FM Kenya, FM Cyprus, FM Japan, FM Argentina, FM Saudi Arabia, FM Thailand

+(Brazil) Fueling germany lynch but is currently not on the train.

Yeah. Lurkers are town. They did no wrong cuz they did nothing.