FM XXI: Day 3

[Old FM Poland]

Who said he is proven town? He might just be Cult Leader who failed recruit, Executioner, lying Citizen, etc.
Aggressive town, aggressive scum, which?


Aggressive scum, aggressive town are simply judging for reactions, and don't stick to their guns like that. Aggressive scum can't back down or they lose all the benefits of the gambit, but retain the negative impact.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Oh there is an article. Written by scum.

[Old FM Colombia]

Oh there is an article. Written by scum.
Can I ask how exactly you'd know that right off the bat?

[Old FM Egypt]

Aggressive scum, aggressive town are simply judging for reactions, and don't stick to their guns like that. Aggressive scum can't back down or they lose all the benefits of the gambit, but retain the negative impact.

You all there? An aggressive Town most definitely stick to his guns when more people claim that a lead is false and the opening response was as shit as Greenland's was.

Dear god how many games have you played? -4?

[Old FM Egypt]

Can I ask how exactly you'd know that right off the bat?

I'm also interested in this.

[Old FM Sweden]

The fact that you said "ruffles" instead of "rustles" rustled my jimmies more than anything you have previously said.

I have no need to question the intent behind Egypt's choice because he has already said so and made it clear, multiple times now.

I can accept that.

[Old FM Poland]

That doesn't make any sense. Why would you ignore anything someone says for any reason? Its a game based on night results and day chats. Everything matters. In addition to that your next two sentences contradict each other. If you weren't soft claiming for Greenland why did you try to slow down his train with statements like "He is auto confirmable town don't lynch ploxx0x"?
I can't rationally understand what you are trying to say here exactly.

Lets make it simple. I was trying to stop the train without requiring him to role claim. Short and sweet. How you could possibly misunderstand it.

[Old FM Egypt]

Lets make it simple. I was trying to stop the train without requiring him to role claim. Short and sweet. How you could possibly misunderstand it.

So you defended a scum?

[Old FM Sweden]

Can I ask how exactly you'd know that right off the bat?

I'm assuming its based on how many times the guy who wrote the article mentioned how it can be used for scum benefit. It's the only reasonable thing I can see that justifies the tone being scum based.

Glancing over it again shows it hits most of the major town points in most articles, reads, advice, a place to start todays chat at, and opinions.

[Old FM Egypt]

Cause that is what people are bothered by. And your response is that you did it.

[Old FM Sweden]

Lets make it simple. I was trying to stop the train without requiring him to role claim. Short and sweet. How you could possibly misunderstand it.


So you defended a scum?

;)

[Old FM Poland]

So you defended a scum?

Yes, I did.

[Old FM Egypt]

Yes, I did.

K. People don't like that. Please explain why you have done anything to help other than defended a scum that had the town in the palm of his hands and then attacked the person that defeated that scum.

Chop.

[Old FM Colombia]

I have a feeling that this conversation will inevitably lead absolutely nowhere for us. We can outline Poland's defense to Greenland all day, but that doesn't change the fact that he defended Greenland. All we can really do is go with the black and white evidence, as there is no use for the colors the image once had.

[Old FM Poland]

I don't need to explain what I've done I've shown it, the only defense required is why I defended and I already told you that. I believe him to be King Aelle(Mayor) as indicated by a cryptic question I posed in day 1. Let me just link that for you in case you missed it (I hoped everyone but Greenland would).

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26828-FM-XXI-Day-1?p=435601&viewfull=1#post435601

If you note I italicized subject hoping to clue Greenland in that I recognized his spam of "Another subject" as a soft claim to him being King Aelle.

[Old FM Egypt]

So you want us to
1: forgive your read of trust for a scum
2: attack my read of scum on a scum

Strong play sir. Strong. Please write a book about how to play Mafia.

[Old FM Egypt]

Now, beyond personal jabs. Poland, do you have anything to actually offer or would you prefer to run up on me further?

[Old FM Sweden]

K. Poland is bad townie.
Scum won't be this tryhard unless he slipped earlier by saying scum stick to guns and is exampling that play.

[Old FM Egypt]

Poland, go smoke a blunt and come back reefereshed tomorrow.

[Old FM Sweden]

Poland, go smoke a blunt and come back reefereshed tomorrow.

I literally lol'd.

[Old FM Colombia]

I'd be happy to provide that blunt.

[Old FM Italy]

K. Poland is bad townie.
Scum won't be this tryhard unless he slipped earlier by saying scum stick to guns and is exampling that play.


I have a feeling that this conversation will inevitably lead absolutely nowhere for us. We can outline Poland's defense to Greenland all day, but that doesn't change the fact that he defended Greenland. All we can really do is go with the black and white evidence, as there is no use for the colors the image once had.

I have a similar feeling.

I believe what we have here is a misguided town (Poland) attempting to push a lynch on chronically narcissistic town (Egypt) whose condition has been exacerbated by recent happenings.

The topic of conversation should be changed to something that will be more productive. Perhaps we should look closer at those who overdefended Greenland in yesterday's lynch.

Kenya's been talked about. Poland's been talked about. South Korea's been talked about.

Norway also strongly recommended against a Greenland lynch: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26855-FM-XXI-Day-2?p=436250&viewfull=1#post436250

He also has some typos, at least one of which is clearly intentional (Lult Ceader) in this post: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26855-FM-XXI-Day-2?p=436236&viewfull=1#post436236

Intentional typos have been used as codes for communication in past games, although one would wonder if a mafia would really be so obvious about it. Am I missing something that redeems Norway?

[Old FM Egypt]

I'm going to try and bounce for a bit. Try to do something good people.

[Old FM Norway]

I never denied the possibility that Greenland was scum. I had my own doubts, so I chose not to risk losing our "Mason Leader". I want to play safely wherethen possible.

But with Ghost being released and possible ventriloquist I believe that codes will be less useful. I believe Egypt's code was already broken. If not, the Ghost will most likely possess Egypt next time anyway (unless we have a good Operator).

Anyway, Ill just claim Survivor. Lynch me all you want, idc. kthxbai.

[Old FM Russia]

I count 2 survivor claims so far. I'm 90% convinced that France lied.

Discuss that while I'm busy. I should be available to talk more in 2 to 3 hours.

[Old FM Norway]

So finally got the point, right? France's post is full of bullshit.

I would really like to vote France, but there are other bigger concerns, such as Thailand's continued absence.

[Old FM Russia]

I've seen a few things I'd like to address when I get home. Can't use quotes from my phone. France is one of them. I still think Kenya is scum but it doesn't look like the mafia defence block is gonna let us pursue that. I also saw something odd about the conversation of china being vented or not that needs to be addressed. Be back later to argue with you guys.

[Old FM Norway]

You're not alone, Russia! Let me demonstrate my solidarity with you!

FM Kenya

[Old FM Cyprus]

I've seen a few things I'd like to address when I get home. Can't use quotes from my phone. France is one of them. I still think Kenya is scum but it doesn't look like the mafia defence block is gonna let us pursue that. I also saw something odd about the conversation of china being vented or not that needs to be addressed. Be back later to argue with you guys.

Who are mafia with China?

[Old FM Cyprus]

Who are mafia with China?
I mean Kenya...

[Old FM Norway]

If Egypt is really vented, I won't be surprised if his puppeteer is actually Kenya.

By the way, what about your "town points", Cyprus?

[Old FM Cyprus]

If Egypt is really vented, I won't be surprised if his puppeteer is actually Kenya.

By the way, what about your "town points", Cyprus?
I betted on the wrong country. Lost all my savings. Need to earn it all back again. Actually planned to fake blackmail and go AFK today. Stuff piling up in real life. Very sad.

[Old FM Norway]

You should have sided with Russia instead of USA.

[Old FM USA]

You should have sided with Russia instead of USA.

*questions what this means*

*also asks if people are referring to the code break as a lucky guess of a hindu goddess, cuz that was obscure as fuck, the policy against that is not to choose obscure words, and we won't accept them as answers*

[Old FM Norway]

Ok, I'm going to make my own code. If you can crack it yourself before the day ends, I'll give you some "cookies". But I'm sure that there is no person that can crack it right now.

Vjz ghjatccbz - repytw.

[Old FM Fiji]

Ok, I'm going to make my own code. If you can crack it yourself before the day ends, I'll give you some "cookies". But I'm sure that there is no person that can crack it right now.

Vjz ghjatccbz - repytw.

No one can crack this right now. I have about 500 solutions so far, none seem to make perfect sense.

[Old FM Fiji]

Anyone posting day codes to confirm they are not vented / disg is just inviting mafia to start sending coded messages right in front of our faces.. I highly discourage it. If you are relying on codes to "prove" who you are, then you are making yourself a target since I'm sure if mafia can break a few codes if they spent the time on them... It's much easier to compare posting habits. Vented people tend not to post too much to remain under the radar.

Its funny that people noticed a difference in Canada's posting habits and assumed he was culted rather than him being vented.

Russia is making the most amount of sense so far. Codes will not help the Town.

[Old FM Fiji]

Anybody noticed yesterDay that Fiji claimed scum?

As far as I know we are Saxons. I doubt Fiji was flavoring the game, that looked like a slip.

FM Fiji

Mexico is still scummy as fuck, was on to bad trains (Cyprus and Egypt) yesterDay, that's my another scum suspect.

I'm planning to deal with them in the future.

And now let's read the Day.

I haven't contributed anything positive or negative. That was a good catch though. This is not the lynch you're looking for *waves hand*

[Old FM USA]

Russia is making the most amount of sense so far. Codes will not help the Town.

*Fiji joins the scum list, changing vote to fiji, since theres someone else on your train*

FM Fiji

[Old FM Fiji]

First and foremost, I was not recruited to the Masons last night.

Is it beneficial to claim Citizen this early? This is the most important question I will ask today.

[Old FM USA]

Is it beneficial to claim Citizen this early? This is the most important question I will ask today.

*obligatory post protecting weed source*
*he did this to prove greenland as scum*

[Old FM USA]

vent code for today:

yiswoffjhlweuwy

also, can someone act super towny and be the record keeper for the claims?

[Old FM Japan]

So, hi again what i got so far: Mega Increases of posts from south korea and espacially from Egypt, Poland looks scummy as hell, Usa still is mostly lurking and still places random votes on everyone for no real reason + is really code addicted (think half of his posts are codes). Fiji posted more today as in the whole game so far. Canada stopped clingin on me and now all of his post today were about Egypt being not trustful (tryhard). France survivor claim would at least explain his lurking and not participation in the game so far and the idc opinion support it, still could be his strategy that he prepeared over time. To that I got witched tonight, wich makes 2 witch claims today, yesterday was only one, thought in greenlands lw he stated that mafia wont claim neutral evil actions on themselves, wich could be a hint that one of them got witched n1 as second witch target and didnt claimed it. Btw we have 15 pages full of posts in like 9 hours look at the last days lol.

[Old FM USA]

who buys france's survivor claim? his d1 persona didn't fit survivor at all.

and just because my posts are short, doesn't mean i'm lurking.

[Old FM Mexico]

Read everything and one thing just bothers me so much. If there's so many players who have me pinned down as scum, including LW and article, those that posted in the start... Why the hell am I not voted on or discussed much about? Think about that, if I'm Non-Town I should be a priority to be voted and pressured on.

There's something fishy right here, so I'm just saying this : Guys, I found scum.

Senörs, one does not simply peg one as absolute scum and then jaywalk around it as if it's nothing.
Anyway, FM Mexico here, AMA.

[Old FM USA]

Read everything and one thing just bothers me so much. If there's so many players who have me pinned down as scum, including LW and article, those that posted in the start... Why the hell am I not voted on or discussed much about? Think about that, if I'm Non-Town I should be a priority to be voted and pressured on.

There's something fishy right here, so I'm just saying this : Guys, I found scum.

Senörs, one does not simply peg one as absolute scum and then jaywalk around it as if it's nothing.
Anyway, FM Mexico here, AMA.

*thinks you're an alright guy*
what do you think about the codes, and the motivation for others to discourage their use?

[Old FM Libya]

Hey guys I'm late, and I'm now reading through the thread.

[Old FM Norway]

Greenland was lynched because Colombia said he is citizen while Greenland claimed that he tried to "recruit" Colombia.

Now that Greenland flipped Mafia, I believe that Colombia is indeed a citizen, becuase his claim helped us to lynch Greenland. Sorry, but I actually failed to notice yesterday that Colo claimed citizen.

[Old FM Mexico]

what do you think about the codes, and the motivation for others to discourage their use?

I personally dislike codes and think it's bad meta, so I haven't posted any. The skill of a vent and disg should go to their play, not based by some code.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Egypt was you attacked yesterday, can rule out MM depending on your answer.
Are you really sure you got no other feedback, please don't hide any because something is odd.

[Old FM Cyprus]

How does Beguiler redirection work? Like a Bus driver? Will Beguiler be killed by MM if visit same target?

[Old FM Cyprus]

Egypt was you attacked yesterday, can rule out MM depending on your answer.

Stupid question because you are PR. How come you are not roleblocked or witched?

[Old FM Cyprus]

How does Beguiler redirection work? Like a Bus driver? Will Beguiler be killed by MM if visit same target?

But if Pakistan is killed by MM, can only be confirmed by Egypt.

I don't think NZ killed by MM.

[Old FM Libya]

<----------------------- See this?

FM USA

It's me burning the flag of the United States. He's definitely not a Jester.

[Old FM USA]

<----------------------- See this?

FM USA

It's me burning the flag of the United States. He's definitely not a Jester.

definitely not. was i the recruit attempt last night?

[Old FM Libya]

definitely not. was i the recruit attempt last night?

His response time < His contributing posting time

[Old FM Libya]

BTW, I don't think we can let the Egypt vented theory slide. His post count got so much higher than Day 2 + Day 1, and I don't know about this, but now he's starting to curse. I've looked through his previous posts, and he wasn't that active nor did he curse. My guess is that he is vented.

[Old FM USA]

Libya for vented target 2016?

no use of code, pretty confirmed town, but semi-useless night action/besides being voice of the mason leader. i think he'd be a good target.

that is, as far as my analysis goes though

*obligatory line about obligations*

[Old FM France]

methink canadian iz scum
methink voting help no one

FM Canada

[Olden FM India]

Yes, yes. Keep fighting.

You all being distracted will allow me to rush nukes, and kill you all! Ghandi the Peaceful? Pfft. Ghandi the life-ender.

(No one attacked me, and I'm claiming Cit now so someone can recruit me to a more eventful role)

[Old FM Mexico]

(No one attacked me, and I'm claiming Cit now so someone can recruit me to a more eventful role)

Yay, another random and pointless Citizen claim with no contribution other than letting scum round up who's PR and that PR can assume the Citizen is scum. Good job. There's already Citizen claimers for the masons, so this is just stupid.

[Old FM Russia]

Egyptian vented yes/no:
Day 1 Egypt had 1 post.
Day 2 Egypt went up to 18 posts while having the leading argument against Greenland. We had to pull teeth out of him to get more info.
Day 3 Egypt is now up over 90 posts and it isn't even 12 hours in.

Egypts code that "proves" he is who he says he is:

post 208 from day 2: Lfgedvcjim

day3
post #6 he gives some odd series of letters that don't make sense.
Post 56 he posts the full solution - because just giving his "key" doesn't work for all you guys breaking the no website coding rule

Aslo, anyone can make that code say anything they want since Egypt posted both the solution AND the abstract key today, observe:

I take the only thing town knows about which is
Lfgedvcjim
I say the key is: xhycvurzsb
I say the Solution is: Im Egyptian

And because there are soo many of you that made such a bad codes yesterday with random letters/numbers, that would be accepted.


Now start comparing what he first posted:
First post he is saying he didn't check Greenland and got it from post analysis. This is all because Greenland flipped Beguiler, and hey, if he checked Greenland, he should have gotten the result of whoever Greenland was hiding behind .... Wrong! Beguiler has limited charges and didn't necessarily hide n1.
The fact that he says he checked Australia the same night he randomly died (since no one can explain why he was a target) is BS.
This is nothing more than something to discredit a potential town leader.

Further more, are you going to try and convince me that mafia did nothing to Egypt? Something doesn't sit well.

However, I'm 100% convinced that Egypt is not Mafia, so I'm gonna leave him alone. I might not be convinced that he is a sheriff, but she had some kind of info on Greenland to start that train and it was no "guess" as she claims... I'd even go as far as saying she is town since most neutrals need to see the town loose or need to survive to win.

Also, I like to remind you guys that a Vent can be a neutral - which wouldn't care about Kenya.

In short - I don't care if Egypt is vented or not, I'm not going to lynch Egypt today.

Notice also that Kenya was quick to state that he trusted that Egypt was not vented BEFORE Egypt explained his code and we assumed the code was false. He isn't even waiting for the facts to pour in before supporting the idea of Egypt not being an honest sheriff. This is odd and sloppy.

Then we have Poland that got the dumbs.. saying Egypt is vented but decides to try to start a train on her anyways. I remember him being smarter yesterday. Not to mention he specified in post 36 that he didn't want to pursue the Kenya train because Egypt was on it..... Sounds like someone trying to deviate a train to me.

South Korea has been all over the place... and has been doing a rather good job keeping the town unfocused with all her lies and spam filling up the day chat. And started the train on Thailand....... only reason being he is inactive.

And guess who was eager to jump on? Kenya.

Then we have le useless French man dropping in claiming survivor and leaving. I'm sorry, but this guy has been on my radar since day 1. He found something in the players notes that wasn't suppose to be found, says he will replace himself out - if he was a survivor, he wouldn't even need to do that at all no matter what he found.

Later we had Cyprus show up... and instead of joining on one of the super scummy peoples trains (Poland or Kenya) he joins the weak lurker train of Thailand.... really? if he doesn't show up, let him be replaced... voting him isn't going to change his interest in this game. aka ignoring scum targets and joining a "safer" lynch as S Korea called it....... "safer" as in not on the scum team. You are not winning any town points for that Cyprus, smarten up.

Then Italy joins and tries to brush off the current discussion with this "they already been talked about" ... yea, by about 4 people.. most of which is spam.

Cyprus post 282.... sounds like a good excuse for your lowered activity... Or is posting from 2 accounts too time consuming for you.

USA random votes Figi for no reason... anything to detract from Kenya.

@Mexico - as I said, I think you are a neutral... which is lower on my priority list. Not ignoring you.

... Dammit Libya, get with the program.. not start another train. Yes USA is scummy... but there is a ton more evidence on others right now. Focus!




My vote on Kenya stands.

[Old FM Fiji]

I AM CITIZEN

I am claiming now because:
1. We already have one citizen who claimed but was not converted. Perhaps that one citizen is being kept out of the Mason Leader's hands. By opening another option to the Mason Leader, there is a higher chance of more masons being created.
2. It explains why I am not contributing as much as others. Specifically my question regarding whether it is beneficial to claim citizen early.
3. I want to take Iran and USA aggro off of me and see where they would otherwise vote.
4. I want to be a team player with the Masonic tribe.
5. I don't want to be converted to cult
6. I want to be an open spokesperson for the town, unafraid of death.

[Old FM Mexico]

I AM CITIZEN

I am claiming now because:
1. We already have one citizen who claimed but was not converted. Perhaps that one citizen is being kept out of the Mason Leader's hands. By opening another option to the Mason Leader, there is a higher chance of more masons being created.
2. It explains why I am not contributing as much as others. Specifically my question regarding whether it is beneficial to claim citizen early.
3. I want to take Iran and USA aggro off of me and see where they would otherwise vote.
4. I want to be a team player with the Masonic tribe.
5. I don't want to be converted to cult
6. I want to be an open spokesperson for the town, unafraid of death.


Yay, another random and pointless Citizen claim with no contribution other than letting scum round up who's PR and that PR can assume the Citizen is scum. Good job. There's already Citizen claimers for the masons, so this is just stupid.

Christians are cultists. Masons are against it, so Satanists.

Everyone's claiming Citizen and wants to become Satanists. Join me in, I'll claim Citizen and ruin the meta completely.

[Old FM Libya]

Worth a try. In my personal opinion, Kenya's posts give me no read at all. His posts are all over the place.. some trolly and some that seem like hes trying to contribute, but really, I don't know. There are some Kenya posts I don't like, and here's one of 'em:


You should already know that I'm town by now. If I was scum, no one would suspect me until at least day 5. As town, day 2 seems to be the standard. I am textbook town-me right now.

To me, this post really shows Kenya as being overconfident and a little faggot.


His claim was strong and yours was weak. I saw through your lie. I just misinterpreted the cause of it. To be fair, my assumption was the statistically correct one to make. No matter.

I've actually already achieved one of my goals, believe it or not. Day 2 wasn't the best for me, but it still served me well.

The mafia should've killed me when they had the chance.

Again, the overconfidence.

Day 2 was the peak point for Kenya, attacking Poland and some others and I liked that. It's hard to pick up a town read while hes going all willy-wally.

Day 1 < Day 3 < Day 2

[Old FM Libya]

@Russia

I thought you said codes were useless and easy to be confirmed by the Mafia / Ventriloquist or whatever... So why think that he's not vented because of some code? If you cracked it, wouldn't it be also logical that the Mafia / Neut Ventriloquist cracked it as well? I don't see your point here... I still stand that Egypt is vented because of the change in posting patterns (mostly the cussing). But other than that, if you want to disprove it, go on ahead.

[Old FM Libya]

Yay, another random and pointless Citizen claim with no contribution other than letting scum round up who's PR and that PR can assume the Citizen is scum. Good job. There's already Citizen claimers for the masons, so this is just stupid.

BTW Mexico since you're here (and correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't seen this question asked today),

Why the hell did you choose to hammer right there? I mean I was going away for a while and I wouldn't have been back in time to discuss some things, but there are other people that could've benefited from being told what night actions to do and such for people like Japan. Japan could be making some foolish night actions right now, and some guidance might've been helpful. I saw some negative comments about your hammer, and well.... why'd you do it?

[Old FM Russia]

@Russia

I thought you said codes were useless and easy to be confirmed by the Mafia / Ventriloquist or whatever... So why think that he's not vented because of some code? If you cracked it, wouldn't it be also logical that the Mafia / Neut Ventriloquist cracked it as well? I don't see your point here... I still stand that Egypt is vented because of the change in posting patterns (mostly the cussing). But other than that, if you want to disprove it, go on ahead.

That was my point - the code serves as nothing. His posting habits tell me that there is a good chance that he is vented.... I said I didn't care if he was or not because he is not my lynch target.

[Old FM Libya]

That was my point - the code serves as nothing. His posting habits tell me that there is a good chance that he is vented.... I said I didn't care if he was or not because he is not my lynch target.

Oh lol, I just skimmed through your long wall of text. Anyways, there is no practical person that would have vented Egypt because mostly everybody is AFK and no way to tell who's who except the timestamps. I can assure you that Poland is not the ventriloquist because he and Egypt posted almost simultaneously.

[Old FM Russia]

Japan could be making some foolish night actions right now, and some guidance might've been helpful.

I'm glad no guidance was given... makes him unpredictable and harder for scum to counter. Not to mention that his n1 action was perfect.... just need to get clarification from him about the results.

[Old FM Russia]

I can assure you that Poland is not the ventriloquist because he and Egypt posted almost simultaneously.

Not the best of reasoning... vent can easily use that against you by using 2 browsers.. but that is part of the reason I suspect Cyprus being the vent. Egypts activity looks more like Cyprus' right now.

[Old FM Libya]

I'm glad no guidance was given... makes him unpredictable and harder for scum to counter. Not to mention that his n1 action was perfect.... just need to get clarification from him about the results.

Well just an example there, like how nobody decided to protect possibly the Towniest town (?) yesterday? Or it's just that we only had one doctor (which is technically impossible), but yeah... why'd you do it Mexico? You don't have much reason to have done it, and I'm happy you guys hammered Greenland, but I don't understand why Mexico did it, lol/

[Old FM Cyprus]

Well just an example there, like how nobody decided to protect possibly the Towniest town (?) yesterday? Or it's just that we only had one doctor (which is technically impossible), but yeah... why'd you do it Mexico? You don't have much reason to have done it, and I'm happy you guys hammered Greenland, but I don't understand why Mexico did it, lol/

CmG didn't heal Colombia N1. We have extra doctor or an intern. Btw who is the towniest town?

[Old FM Egypt]

I'm cursing because of how annoying the Vent claims are.

Day 1 I thought was 48 hours, so I tuned back in about an hour late to find out I was dumb. Fuck me.
Day 2 I was out of town, I've definitely said this a million times now, both yesterday and today.
Day 3 I am now back home and a claimed power role. Why the fuck wouldn't I be more active?

@Russia: If you look at Australia's first (only?) post on day 1 you'll notice he apologized. I even accused South Korea this day for his apparent apology. Scum apologize. So yes it is rather odd that I hit Australia on the same night he died, but it did occur.

[Old FM Egypt]

CmG didn't heal Colombia N1. We have extra doctor or an intern. Btw who is the towniest town?

Wat

[Old FM Cyprus]

Crap. Odin pls delete...

[Old FM Libya]

I see lightning coming to ya, but nonetheless, I'm working on this big table right now



FM Argentina
FM Brazil
FM Canada
FM Colombia
FM Costa Rica
FM Cyprus
FM Egypt
FM England
FM Fiji
FM France
FM Germany
FM India
FM Iran
FM Ireland
FM Italy
FM Japan
FM Kenya
FM Libya
FM Mexico
FM Norway
FM Poland
FM Russia
FM Saudi Arabia
FM South Korea
FM Spain
FM Sweden




























FM Switzerland
FM Thailand
FM USA

[Old FM Cyprus]

It's wrong spelling I tell ya. Wrong spelling.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Odin pls delete #323

[Old FM Cyprus]

Curse you Egypt for quoting. At least I won't spell your name wrongly...

[Old FM Libya]

That table looks damn ugly. I'll fix that

[Old FM Egypt]

Curse you Egypt for quoting. At least I won't spell your name wrongly...

False, everyone spells it wrong.

[Old FM Norway]

Spoiler alert! Spolier alert!

[Old FM Cyprus]

False, everyone spells it wrong.

Please reply these.



Egypt was you attacked yesterday, can rule out MM depending on your answer.
Are you really sure you got no other feedback, please don't hide any because something is odd.


Stupid question because you are PR. How come you are not roleblocked or witched?

Don't be mean and keep all information to yourself.

[Old FM Egypt]

@Russia as well: Kenya knows I'm not vented because they now my text patterns extraordinarily well. Text patterns I've made no attempt to hide

[Old FM Egypt]

Oh ya.

No, no additional feedback beyond the town name that I got.
Not attacked, witched, nothing. I was fairly disappointed tbh

[Old FM Russia]

Yes, Egypt.... vented or not, I don't care. I have my own suspicions about you that I rather not share with the town. Needless to say, I think you are town and I'll leave it at that.

[Old FM Russia]

Well just an example there, like how nobody decided to protect possibly the Towniest town (?) yesterday? Or it's just that we only had one doctor (which is technically impossible), but yeah... why'd you do it Mexico? You don't have much reason to have done it, and I'm happy you guys hammered Greenland, but I don't understand why Mexico did it, lol/

Too busy protecting Sheriff and Mason... tbh, I'd rather have China here now than you.

[Old FM Egypt]

If I'm being honest I wanted to join deadchat to talk with Greenland. I felt that lynch needed to take place, but either I'd have to deal with my rage at not being insta-confirm-town or Town would blindly follow me and the day chat would be useless until I died.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Oh ya.

No, no additional feedback beyond the town name that I got.
Not attacked, witched, nothing. I was fairly disappointed tbh

I don't believe you. You must have more info hidden :(

Spit it out! Else I'll start a UN resolution to bar uncooperative players from MVP >:(

[Old FM Cyprus]

If I'm being honest I wanted to join deadchat to talk with Greenland. I felt that lynch needed to take place, but either I'd have to deal with my rage at not being insta-confirm-town or Town would blindly follow me and the day chat would be useless until I died.

Erm... cult

[Old FM Libya]

This whole aura doesn't seem right... the chi ain't flowing. We haven't done anything but reach a conclusion that Egypt is vented. I honestly don't know how we can do this without the presence of so many others.

[Old FM Russia]

'cough' ignore Cyprus' demands..

Keep it secret, keep it safe.

[Old FM Egypt]

Lol. Dude, I have no reason to hide feedback.

If you'd like to convince me to post the Town feedback I got that might be worth. I'm just not sure if they will be more or less helpful after it is said

[Old FM Egypt]

This whole aura doesn't seem right... the chi ain't flowing. We haven't done anything but reach a conclusion that Egypt is vented. I honestly don't know how we can do this without the presence of so many others.

Maybe it is the time being wasted on that that is causing a stall in real progress?

[Old FM Egypt]

Erm... cult

I'm gonna be real fucking mad if that happens.

[Old FM Norway]

How about you start voting Kenya? For me and Russia, Kenya is our primary suspect. Shouldn't we put some pressure votes?

[Old FM Cyprus]

I'm gonna be real fucking mad if that happens.

Pray that there are 3-4 mafia left. Then maybe.

[Old FM Libya]

How about you start voting Kenya? For me and Russia, Kenya is our primary suspect. Shouldn't we put some pressure votes?

Kenya isn't even here right now

[Old FM Libya]

FM Norway

[Old FM Cyprus]

How about you start voting Kenya? For me and Russia, Kenya is our primary suspect. Shouldn't we put some pressure votes?

I would prefer all neutrals claim and join town, SOP.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Advantages:
1) Claimed neutrals less likely to be killed
2) Claimed neutrals less likely to be culted

[Old FM Egypt]

Pray that there are 3-4 mafia left. Then maybe.

Even still. If I was the final convert in a cult win I'd be fucking mad.

dying sucks
being disguised or vented is worse as you have to watch someone play using your own face
Being converted. .. Jesus Christ I just can't stand having to turn on my own people.

[Old FM Egypt]

How about you start voting Kenya? For me and Russia, Kenya is our primary suspect. Shouldn't we put some pressure votes?

Kenya is a strong player. He gave us the time for when his leads will be posted. Until then it does us no good to pressure him if he isn't here

[Old FM Norway]

Advantages:
1) Claimed neutrals less likely to be killed
2) Claimed neutrals less likely to be culted

Your forgot to add the part "Claimed neutrals more likely to be lynched"

[Old FM Libya]

I'll tell you what we're going to do. We're going to lynch a Mafia faggot TODAY. And by today, I mean we're going to start voting NOW.

FM Kenya

[Old FM Egypt]

FM Norway

This vote, and joke counter votes are a waste of time

[Old FM Libya]

THE THAILAND TRAIN IS USELESS. I've never seen him post once, and I have short term memory loss, don't blame me.

[Old FM Egypt]

I'll tell you what we're going to do. We're going to lynch a Mafia faggot TODAY. And by today, I mean we're going to start voting NOW.

FM Kenya

Isn't it fun to use mean words :D

[Old FM Libya]

This vote, and joke counter votes are a waste of time

You're a waste of time.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Your forgot to add the part "Claimed neutrals more likely to be lynched"

And the surviving ones will have their revenge by siding with scum later...

Ur scum

PEDIT: Thailand did post. Then disappeared. If I remember correctly.

[Old FM Egypt]

You're a waste of time.

Actually the post you are replying to is a lie by myself. I'll explain later
Apparently today I am a waste of time though ya. I've considered just not taking anymore, but that seems even more ineffective lol

[Old FM Egypt]

And the surviving ones will have their revenge by siding with scum later...

Ur scum

PEDIT: Thailand did post. Then disappeared. If I remember correctly.

No she isn't

[Old FM Libya]

9 MEMBERS VIEWING. DAFAQ. POST SOME SHIT.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Anyone has links to all players? We won't call you names, like Buchwalter.

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

Alright, nothing happened to me last night. I might not be able to get out my thoughts in a timely manner due to school, but I'll go read up.

[Old FM Norway]

Egypt is most likely vented; I won't believe anything she says until she actually starts to vote Kenya.

[Old FM Japan]

Anyone has links to all players? We won't call you names, like Buchwalter.

?? Is this a question, about COMs?

[Old FM Libya]

Egypt is most likely vented; I won't believe anything she says until she actually starts to vote Kenya.

I thought we already came to that conclusion.

[Old FM Norway]

I thought we already came to that conclusion.

You already were; I just came to that conclusion right now.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Brazil link missing. testing

FM Brazil

[Old FM Cyprus]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12314-FM-Argentina
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12295-FM-Australia
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12303-FM-Brazil
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12291-FM-Canada
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12293-FM-China
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12313-FM-Colombia
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12318-FM-Costa-Rica
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12290-FM-Cyprus
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12306-FM-Egypt
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12297-FM-England
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12302-FM-Fiji
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12288-FM-France
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12287-FM-Germany
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12319-FM-Greenland
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12304-FM-India
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12315-FM-Iran
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12310-FM-Ireland
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12289-FM-Italy
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12286-FM-Japan
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12305-FM-Kenya
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12309-FM-Libya
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12296-FM-Mexico
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12298-FM-New-Zealand
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12312-FM-Norway
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12307-FM-Pakistan
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12316-FM-Poland
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12294-FM-Russia
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12311-FM-Saudi-Arabia
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12301-FM-South-Korea
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12299-FM-Spain
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12308-FM-Sweden
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12317-FM-Switzerland
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12300-FM-Thailand
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12292-FM-USA

[Old FM Russia]

Here is my biggest concern:

FM Greenland (17 [L-0]): FM Egypt, FM China, FM Poland, FM Colombia, FM Russia, FM Mexico, FM Libya, FM Japan, FM Iran, FM Ireland, FM Germany, FM England, FM Switzerland, FM Fiji, FM Italy, FM Costa Rica, FM Spain

post counts day 2:

47 FM Cyprus
46 FM Greenland
42 FM China
38 FM South Korea
34 FM Poland
30 FM Libya
29 FM Kenya
29 FM Colombia
18 FM Egypt
16 FM Iran
15 FM Saudi Arabia
13 FM Japan
13 FM Norway
13 FM New Zealand
12 FM Italy
11 FM Spain
10 FM Argentina
10 FM Mexico
8 FM Russia
7 FM England
7 FM Ireland
6 FM Sweden jumped off as soon as he Claimed ML and was never heard from again
5 FM Germany
5 FM Canada
4 FM Costa Rica
3 FM Brazil
2 FM France said he would read day and vote..... never posted again
2 FM USA voted Egypt and dissapeared
2 FM Fiji
2 FM Switzerland
1 FM India
0 FM Thailand

Red = Against the lynch train / tried to derail it / attacked China or Egypt instead
Green = For the Lynch train
Yellow = Tried to stall lynch train but got back on reluctantly at the end
Orange = Disappeared during the lynch train and didn't return
Grey - Had no opinion / were neutral / were afk


As you can see, most of the active players were against town day 2 and it was the lesser players that were in favor of lynching Greenland. I fear that we have a big mafia voting block and they aren't afraid to defend each other.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Max town points!

I'm not scum. Nurse gimme soma for extra night action thanks.

[Old FM Egypt]

Egypt is most likely vented; I won't believe anything she says until she actually starts to vote Kenya.

Lol. I really hope no one believes me on anything I say. I'm gonna quote this post by you later

[Old FM Egypt]

I thought we already came to that conclusion.

Quit FMs

[Old FM Sweden]

That would make mafia seven members strong. There is no way thats even possible Russia. Repeat, No way.
Also based on what I know about Egypt, the player, he isn't Vented today.

[Old FM Russia]

As long as Egypt isn't coming out with power role information that says someone is guilty, it does not matter if she is vented or not... MOVE ON. We'll find out in a few days if her posting habits and language change. Either way, as long as she uses post analysis, even if she is vented, I'll use the info.

I can't prove one way or the other until I have more data to compare it to. All I know is that Egypt is 100% not mafia and is most likely not neutral.

[Old FM Cyprus]

As you can see, most of the active players were against town day 2 and it was the lesser players that were in favor of lynching Greenland. I fear that we have a big mafia voting block and they aren't afraid to defend each other.

My defense:
1) Before Greenland roleclaimed, Egypt accused Greenland in a non-serious manner and didn't return as promised, thus I changed my vote from Greenland to Egypt.
2) After Greenland roleclaimed, I don't trust Colombia, and Egypt has yet to return.
3) After Egypt returned I'm not around.

My accusation:
1) Mafia might have thought Greenland was caught by Sheriff and voted him for towncred? His train is super fast even without Egypt around.
2) Even more so after Greenland ML claim I guess.

[Old FM Russia]

That would make mafia seven members strong. There is no way thats even possible Russia. Repeat, No way.
Also based on what I know about Egypt, the player, he isn't Vented today.

Mafia can be as strong as 12 people. (because 1 neutral ghost has shown up in graveyard... assuming that there is no suit)

[Old FM England]

I have been poisoned and apparently received a suit. Someone said that we shouldn't claim feedback (I want to say Kenya) but I believe it is imperative that we out feedback as it will help us determine if there is a drug dealer in our midst. Considering there was no poisoned target yesterday I am hoping that this is indeed not a real poisoning.


Anybody noticed yesterDay that Fiji claimed scum?
[...]
As far as I know we are Saxons. I doubt Fiji was flavoring the game, that looked like a slip.

FM Fiji

This is kind of a weak reason to vote someone, especially as your Mexico case is good and well thought out. You're still obvtown, but I feel like you're looking at things the wrong way here.


USA is my strongest candidate for Cult Leader

Except USA's reaction to Greenland claiming ML was not the one that'd come from a Cult leader.


I see.... In that case...

FM Egypt

I can't believe someone is voteparking on a sheriff claim based on ventspec, all of which is bad btw. Egypt took an unnecessary risk, yes, but it worked out and I don't think it's a bussing attempt unless Australia was suited because scum's response to early dead scum is not to bus other scum (also Korea made a good point w.r.t Greenland). Your SK case makes a lot of assumptions and is also unbelievable.

Poland do you have any other scumreads, or a read of any kind?



Statement:Argentina is scum.

Yes/No?

Maybe?

If I had to say one way or the other, I'd say yes because of his hesitance to lynch Greenland but I haven't seen much indicating either alignment. He's been very lurky. Oh he also called Italy scummy but didn't vote them, which is kinda bad too. Worth looking into.


*Fiji joins the scum list, changing vote to fiji, since theres someone else on your train*

FM Fiji

Good sir, is what he put there actually scummy or is this just a part of your continued roleplay?


it explains why I am not contributing as much as others.

Do wait a minute, being a cit doesn't mean you can't contribute through scumhunting and post analysis.

#313 is a good post.

No idea what was with Cyprus' post.


Read everything and one thing just bothers me so much. If there's so many players who have me pinned down as scum, including LW and article, those that posted in the start... Why the hell am I not voted on or discussed much about? Think about that, if I'm Non-Town I should be a priority to be voted and pressured on.

There's something fishy right here, so I'm just saying this : Guys, I found scum.

Senörs, one does not simply peg one as absolute scum and then jaywalk around it as if it's nothing.
Anyway, FM Mexico here, AMA.

There have been a grand total of 3 people who have talked about you as being scum: Iran, Korea and me. I hadn't posted yet, Korea's votes have been erratic at best today and 1 person favouring someone else over you is not a defence.

FM Mexico

Can people ignoring Mexico actually comment on Mexico, I feel like most of my D2 attacks on him were ignored by both him and the majority of the playerlist. His D3 has been pretty poor too, just going "if I were scum people would've voted me" and "look at all these cit claims great". He's making absolutely zero contribution in his posts and somehow getting away with it.

Why are we still going on about fucking ventspec this isn't actually scumhunting. We're not lynchign Egypt today either regardless so this entire conversation is almost pointless.

Saudi hasn't posted yet and lurked a lot yesterday. I would support his lynch as his play yesterday reads as scum hoping to stop a GL lynch.

Everyone should give reads lists because the disorganisation is strong.

*more of a gutread than anything else
Town
England
Libya
Egypt
Russia
Iran
South Korea
Cyprus
Spain
Japan
Colombia
Sweden*

Scum
Argentina
Mexico
Poland
Saudi
USA*
Italy*
Canada* (was voting Japan at the end of D2 seriously?)

Vig list:
Ireland
Canada
Switzerland
Thailand

Lynch Priority
Mexico
Poland
Saudi
Argentina
Canada
Italy
USA
Thailand
Everyone else.

This is probably the easiest way of catching scum in their lies later on, not only do scum have trouble faking reads, they often have to back out of townreads so that they can push for mislynches later on and that's a good way of catching them. My current, and strongest, reads on Poland and Mexico are based on lack of reads/readposts and generally poor scumhunting.

[Old FM Sweden]

Mafia can be as strong as 12 people. (because 1 neutral ghost has shown up in graveyard... assuming that there is no suit)

Do you not realize how impossible that sounds?

[Old FM Russia]

Do you not realize how impossible that sounds?

Improbable maybe but not impossible according to the setup. Huge scum teams have been in FMs in the past.

[Old FM Sweden]

There's something fishy right here, so I'm just saying this : Guys, I found scum.
No follow up Mexico. No Town read.
Discrediting and hyperattention are usually scum traits.
FM Mexico

[Old FM Japan]

Do you not realize how impossible that sounds?

He counted evil neutrals and hidden anys in, so this is 100% possible.

[Old FM Sweden]

Improbable maybe but not impossible according to the setup. Huge scum teams have been in FMs in the past.

Let me explain this for you:
Mafia are not gonna be any bigger than six members. It's illogical to think they would be bigger than that with the drops in the graveyard.


He counted evil neutrals and hidden anys in, so this is 100% possible.

Possible =/= Likely.
Have I mentioned how stupid it is to think we have seven or more mafia members in this game? Cause it is. Seven would be fucking stretching it.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Mafia can be as strong as 12 people. (because 1 neutral ghost has shown up in graveyard... assuming that there is no suit)

With 12 people strong, mafia can easily cause mislynch using these methods:

Previous night:
Tailor, lawyer and vent target
Blackmail another

Tomorrow day:
Blackmailed claim Sheriff false accuse target, target makes lousy defense, and bait a few other PRs to claim
Mafia team full bandwagon
Target lynched, town none the wiser

Mafia team cannot be too large.

FM Mexico
Need to get someone to claim by end of day one, hopefully interrogate two.

[Old FM Egypt]

@poison claim: let's all hope the lack of feedback from yesterday was sitting on New Zealand. I could see China being hit by both Mafia and SK/Vig/Vet/Whatever.

[Old FM Japan]

I will wait with voting anyone atm we have 9 different players voted like srsl, thought I would agree on Mexico, first he ddint contributet anything relevant to town, then just look at his posts "Will stop lurking now, but dont know how." (hope that was correct) and the hammervote on greenland was really scum likely, from what I know out of normal mafia games, scum tends to votes as last, dunno if it is here so too.

[Old FM Cyprus]

@poison claim: let's all hope the lack of feedback from yesterday was sitting on New Zealand. I could see China being hit by both Mafia and SK/Vig/Vet/Whatever.

You are a dick if China died from vet.

[Old FM Egypt]

Lol xD it wasn't me.

I don't really think it was a Vet, just that the two seeming non - Mafia kills were both on Power Roles, I just left the option in my last

[Old FM Egypt]

List*

[Old FM Sweden]

I will wait with voting anyone atm we have 9 different players voted like srsl, thought I would agree on Mexico, first he ddint contributet anything relevant to town, then just look at his posts "Will stop lurking now, but dont know how." (hope that was correct) and the hammervote on greenland was really scum likely, from what I know out of normal mafia games, scum tends to votes as last, dunno if it is here so too.
You believe that Mexico is scum based in what he has contributed but you won't vote him because our votes are too disorganized? That doesn't help resolve any issues.

[Old FM Egypt]

I will wait with voting anyone atm we have 9 different players voted like srsl, thought I would agree on Mexico, first he ddint contributet anything relevant to town, then just look at his posts "Will stop lurking now, but dont know how." (hope that was correct) and the hammervote on greenland was really scum likely, from what I know out of normal mafia games, scum tends to votes as last, dunno if it is here so too.

Scum hop on trains Yes. Not specifically last, but after a tipping point.

[Old FM Cyprus]

If England dies from poison then:

USA
Cyprus
England
Canada

are suspects. Bummer I'm in the list.

Wait why won't you vote Canada?

[Old FM Russia]

I have been poisoned and apparently received a suit.

Tailor has charges so inconclusive about no d2 claims on suits.

Toxicologist can poison any night... so what happened n1?
Roleblocked suspects = Canada, USA, Cyprus, England?
Unclaimed jailed person?
Columbia was maybe poisoned and healed? Do Poison removal provide the same feedback as attack and healed?
Targeted someone already dead?
Targeted someone immune?
AFK/decided not to act to throw us off?

[Forum Mafia GM]

How does Beguiler redirection work? Like a Bus driver? Will Beguiler be killed by MM if visit same target?

Beguiler redirects all targets that make sense to their target. It is like a one-way BD.

A Beguiler will die if he visits the same target as an MM, but not if he redirects the MM.

[Old FM Egypt]

Why are those people the suspects?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Do Poison removal provide the same feedback as attack and healed?

Yes, it will give the same feedback as attacked & healed.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Tailor has charges so inconclusive about no d2 claims on suits.

Toxicologist can poison any night... so what happened n1?
Roleblocked suspects = Canada, USA, Cyprus, England?
Unclaimed jailed person?
Columbia was maybe poisoned and healed? Do Poison removal provide the same feedback as attack and healed?
Targeted someone already dead?
Targeted someone immune?
AFK/decided not to act to throw us off?

Well... you gotta start somewhere...

[Old FM Libya]

So what was the second attack on China? or the attack on New Zealand? SK and Mafia hit N1, and the Toxicologist hit that night as well (somebody said attacked and healed, I think Colombia), and now China gets attacked twice, New Zealand dies, and England gets poisoned.

Does cult conversion show up as attacked as well?

[Old FM Russia]

AGH! If I've thought of this then mafia probably has thought about it too. Egypt, plz tell me that you are not a Doctor that tried to heal Greenland but ended up healing Colombia instead. Sorry if I exposed you.

[Old FM Sweden]

Clearly the second attack was on China -_- it said so in the day post

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does cult conversion show up as attacked as well?

No. Does not provide feedback.

[Old FM Sweden]

AGH! If I've thought of this then mafia probably has thought about it too. Egypt, plz tell me that you are not a Doctor that tried to heal Greenland but ended up healing Colombia instead. Sorry if I exposed you.

What? Why would you even bring this up? I don't even..

[Old FM Libya]

So most definitely, China was attacked by another Neutral. What?

[Old FM Colombia]

I'd like to ask Libya a question; I did not see an explanation for this when they first posted.

Why did you decide not to recruit me?

Now, I'm seeing a lot of claims around here, and here's what we've got in total...

Egypt - Sheriff
Colombia - Citizen
Fiji - Citizen
Mexico - Citizen
France - Survivor
??? (Can't remember who this was) - Survivor

France is lying about his claim. Not caring about the game in which it is one where you stay alive is an absurd way of saying one of two things. This could consist of either "I just don't care about the game" or "I'm not a Survivor, andnim using this as lynchbait later on". Either way, it obviously isn't going to help France's case in the long run no matter what, so the best thing to do is flag it as a lie right now.

Now, with Fiji's claim...it was entirely unneeded. The same goes for Mexico. I think I speak for everyone when it is blatantly obvious that Mexico is going to end up being our lynch today, mainly because of what's been happening. Right as he was put into lynch priority, he got a little bit more active as a reaction, but never really provided a defense to the votes casted against him. He has now slipped into a streak of inactivity, which in turn means that Mexico is either a very bad Citizen, or the brevity of his posts reveal an ulterior role behind his claim. I'm willing to go with the latter before the former, mainly due to the idea that the stereotypical Citizen seems to be a lot better here than in past games. Fiji's Citizen claim (once again, it was unneeded) is also a bit shaky from my perspective, but their reasoning for the claim makes it easily cleared. I'm willing to trust Fiji for the time being, but not entirely until I see them in a Mason chat at my side. This ges for Libya and whoever the Mason Leader is as well.

Cyprus saying that my claim wasn't to be trusted doesn't make sense; Libya's claim essentially locked in the fact that I can be cleared more easily than anyone else in the game (and vice versa, really), so I don't understand why my claim still can't be trusted. The only possible way that my claim isn't one to be trusted is the idea that Libya lied about being a Mason to look like a Town member, thus resulting in the Greenland lynch. It's just as likely as the chance that Libya is a Mason due to the fact that it so easily got Greenland lynched yesterday, and you can go into a great limbo on it over time. But for now, we've no choice but to trust the claim in order to hope for a few cleared Town members over time.

To the Masons, if you even exist...it's clearly obvious that you have a choice tonight, but I'd urge you to recruit me over Fiji/Mexico. It's obvious that you wouldn't want someone like me on a potential Cult, so I'd present you now the opportunity to take that chance away completely. From NY perspective, Mason recruit priority should be...

Colombia > Fiji > Mexico

That's in the case that Mexico doesn't get lynched; if they do, then feel free to take Mexico off of that list. I'm out for now; I'll have to get my analysis from my computer so I can share with everyone.

[Old FM Russia]

What? Why would you even bring this up? I don't even..

Because I think mafia is smarter than the average town... and if its true, I want other protective roles to be aware of it.

[Old FM Libya]

I'd like to ask Libya a question; I did not see an explanation for this when they first posted.

Why did you decide not to recruit me?

Now, I'm seeing a lot of claims around here, and here's what we've got in total...

Egypt - Sheriff
Colombia - Citizen
Fiji - Citizen
Mexico - Citizen
France - Survivor
??? (Can't remember who this was) - Survivor

France is lying about his claim. Not caring about the game in which it is one where you stay alive is an absurd way of saying one of two things. This could consist of either "I just don't care about the game" or "I'm not a Survivor, andnim using this as lynchbait later on". Either way, it obviously isn't going to help France's case in the long run no matter what, so the best thing to do is flag it as a lie right now.

Now, with Fiji's claim...it was entirely unneeded. The same goes for Mexico. I think I speak for everyone when it is blatantly obvious that Mexico is going to end up being our lynch today, mainly because of what's been happening. Right as he was put into lynch priority, he got a little bit more active as a reaction, but never really provided a defense to the votes casted against him. He has now slipped into a streak of inactivity, which in turn means that Mexico is either a very bad Citizen, or the brevity of his posts reveal an ulterior role behind his claim. I'm willing to go with the latter before the former, mainly due to the idea that the stereotypical Citizen seems to be a lot better here than in past games. Fiji's Citizen claim (once again, it was unneeded) is also a bit shaky from my perspective, but their reasoning for the claim makes it easily cleared. I'm willing to trust Fiji for the time being, but not entirely until I see them in a Mason chat at my side. This ges for Libya and whoever the Mason Leader is as well.

Cyprus saying that my claim wasn't to be trusted doesn't make sense; Libya's claim essentially locked in the fact that I can be cleared more easily than anyone else in the game (and vice versa, really), so I don't understand why my claim still can't be trusted. The only possible way that my claim isn't one to be trusted is the idea that Libya lied about being a Mason to look like a Town member, thus resulting in the Greenland lynch. It's just as likely as the chance that Libya is a Mason due to the fact that it so easily got Greenland lynched yesterday, and you can go into a great limbo on it over time. But for now, we've no choice but to trust the claim in order to hope for a few cleared Town members over time.

To the Masons, if you even exist...it's clearly obvious that you have a choice tonight, but I'd urge you to recruit me over Fiji/Mexico. It's obvious that you wouldn't want someone like me on a potential Cult, so I'd present you now the opportunity to take that chance away completely. From NY perspective, Mason recruit priority should be...

Colombia > Fiji > Mexico

That's in the case that Mexico doesn't get lynched; if they do, then feel free to take Mexico off of that list. I'm out for now; I'll have to get my analysis from my computer so I can share with everyone.

Why the hell would you assume I'm the ML

[Old FM Egypt]

AGH! If I've thought of this then mafia probably has thought about it too. Egypt, plz tell me that you are not a Doctor that tried to heal Greenland but ended up healing Colombia instead. Sorry if I exposed you.

This is one interesting way to read the events from day 2. I kind of wish this was what it was now lol.
No, no I'm not.

[Old FM Colombia]

Why the hell would you assume I'm the ML
I'm not assuming you're Mason Leader; you're just the voice of the Mason Leader. Why choose to not recruit me when the opportunity was perfect? Did you expect me to die or something?

[Old FM Libya]

I'm not assuming you're Mason Leader; you're just the voice of the Mason Leader. Why choose to not recruit me when the opportunity was perfect? Did you expect me to die or something?

Everybody has an opportunity to become part of the Masonry. The Masonry has first decided that the Cult is our top priority and have started to target culpable people that could be Cult. Since citizen claims can be confirmed later, the Masonry will first focus on the Cult, and then shift towards recruiting more members. But to eliminate the Cult, we need to prioritize the 4 charges as much as possible.

[Old FM Cyprus]

This is one interesting way to read the events from day 2. I kind of wish this was what it was now lol.
No, no I'm not.
Egypt, I have another hypothesis, thus I suspect that you are hiding info.


Why the hell would you assume I'm the ML
Libya, shouldn't you be happy instead?


Cyprus saying that my claim wasn't to be trusted doesn't make sense; Libya's claim essentially locked in the fact that I can be cleared more easily than anyone else in the game (and vice versa, really), so I don't understand why my claim still can't be trusted. The only possible way that my claim isn't one to be trusted is the idea that Libya lied about being a Mason to look like a Town member, thus resulting in the Greenland lynch. It's just as likely as the chance that Libya is a Mason due to the fact that it so easily got Greenland lynched yesterday, and you can go into a great limbo on it over time. But for now, we've no choice but to trust the claim in order to hope for a few cleared Town members over time.

Before Libya claimed.

[Old FM Colombia]

Before Libya claimed.
What? Please elaborate; this has nothing to do with what I said.

[Old FM Colombia]

Everybody has an opportunity to become part of the Masonry. The Masonry has first decided that the Cult is our top priority and have started to target culpable people that could be Cult. Since citizen claims can be confirmed later, the Masonry will first focus on the Cult, and then shift towards recruiting more members. But to eliminate the Cult, we need to prioritize the 4 charges as much as possible.
Alright, fair enough...but if it ever comes to the point where it's essentially needed to recruit a Citizen, remember that you've got options.

[Old FM Egypt]

Well Cyprus I would love to hear that in the architect chat we should be put in tonight

[Old FM Cyprus]

What? Please elaborate; this has nothing to do with what I said.

Thought that you are referring to D2 events. Seems that you are referring to N2. No worries I trust you now.

[Old FM Japan]

You believe that Mexico is scum based in what he has contributed but you won't vote him because our votes are too disorganized? That doesn't help resolve any issues.

Well it doesnt resolve anything aswell, if he gets speedlynched and we lose a half day, as we already concluded the evil faction can be really big, so they could jump on a particular point that we dont know fast on him to end the day, together with one or 2 bad townies. Also I dont ebleive we have any architect no architect claims at all, since ppl (Egypt) cry about them the whole time lol.

[Old FM Argentina]

That's what I was thinking when it was brought up as well, though it wasn't anything that went through my mind when we were performing the lynch. I still stand by the idea that that was the reason the A&H, along with potentially the witching, came from. I didn't really see myself as a big name target on Day 1 due to the fact that I wasn't taking the lead during that day; that was mainly Greenland and Argentina.

Though, what I'm starting to see with Argentina is that, the further the game progresses, the more Argentina begins to lurk. It could be nothing, and it could be an indication that they are beginning to worry about dying after what happened to Australia and Greenland in the past cycle.

FM Argentina

This is mainly pressure for Argentina to contribute more; you can't just take the lead on Day 1 and expect to get away with being inactive later. Based on this, I'm wondering if what the article today stated is right about their read on Argentina; perhaps we provide a sense of protection, and then they'll be a bigger contributor today? It's a bit far fetched, but it might work.

I can see why you'd think that. As I had stated earlier I went to a convention over the weekend dressed as Jorgon Von Strangle, it was pretty fun. Absouletly destroyed my voice box maintaining the Arnold Schwarzenegger voice for 14 hours. While I didn't post much over the weekend, I believe the quality of what I did post at least partially made up for it. You can expect me to be more active from here on out.


I have been poisoned and apparently received a suit. Someone said that we shouldn't claim feedback (I want to say Kenya) but I believe it is imperative that we out feedback as it will help us determine if there is a drug dealer in our midst. Considering there was no poisoned target yesterday I am hoping that this is indeed not a real poisoning.



This is kind of a weak reason to vote someone, especially as your Mexico case is good and well thought out. You're still obvtown, but I feel like you're looking at things the wrong way here.



Except USA's reaction to Greenland claiming ML was not the one that'd come from a Cult leader.



I can't believe someone is voteparking on a sheriff claim based on ventspec, all of which is bad btw. Egypt took an unnecessary risk, yes, but it worked out and I don't think it's a bussing attempt unless Australia was suited because scum's response to early dead scum is not to bus other scum (also Korea made a good point w.r.t Greenland). Your SK case makes a lot of assumptions and is also unbelievable.

Poland do you have any other scumreads, or a read of any kind?



Maybe?

If I had to say one way or the other, I'd say yes because of his hesitance to lynch Greenland but I haven't seen much indicating either alignment. He's been very lurky. Oh he also called Italy scummy but didn't vote them, which is kinda bad too. Worth looking into.



Good sir, is what he put there actually scummy or is this just a part of your continued roleplay?



Do wait a minute, being a cit doesn't mean you can't contribute through scumhunting and post analysis.

#313 is a good post.

No idea what was with Cyprus' post.



There have been a grand total of 3 people who have talked about you as being scum: Iran, Korea and me. I hadn't posted yet, Korea's votes have been erratic at best today and 1 person favouring someone else over you is not a defence.

FM Mexico

Can people ignoring Mexico actually comment on Mexico, I feel like most of my D2 attacks on him were ignored by both him and the majority of the playerlist. His D3 has been pretty poor too, just going "if I were scum people would've voted me" and "look at all these cit claims great". He's making absolutely zero contribution in his posts and somehow getting away with it.

Why are we still going on about fucking ventspec this isn't actually scumhunting. We're not lynchign Egypt today either regardless so this entire conversation is almost pointless.

Saudi hasn't posted yet and lurked a lot yesterday. I would support his lynch as his play yesterday reads as scum hoping to stop a GL lynch.

Everyone should give reads lists because the disorganisation is strong.

*more of a gutread than anything else
Town
England
Libya
Egypt
Russia
Iran
South Korea
Cyprus
Spain
Japan
Colombia
Sweden*

Scum
Argentina
Mexico
Poland
Saudi
USA*
Italy*
Canada* (was voting Japan at the end of D2 seriously?)

Vig list:
Ireland
Canada
Switzerland
Thailand

Lynch Priority
Mexico
Poland
Saudi
Argentina
Canada
Italy
USA
Thailand
Everyone else.

This is probably the easiest way of catching scum in their lies later on, not only do scum have trouble faking reads, they often have to back out of townreads so that they can push for mislynches later on and that's a good way of catching them. My current, and strongest, reads on Poland and Mexico are based on lack of reads/readposts and generally poor scumhunting.

I fully explained my reasoning for defending Greenland and Egypt was just plain lucky. He provided false information to lynch a town leader and DID NOT BACKTRACK when said town leader got to L-3 before he false-revealed as ML. I completely believed Greenland's claim because claiming ML with targeting Columbia would have been a terrible play for scum and Greenland seemed to be a better player than that. Choosing one of his allies would've been much safer, it wouldn't even have been immediately damning for either of them because he claimed conversion failed. Were I in his positioned I would just said "My feedback failed but I don't want to reveal a potential town PR, I couldn't have just said his name and not mentioned whether or not my feedback failed because if he didn't immediately confirm myself as ML then that would mean he's a PR."


Tailor has charges so inconclusive about no d2 claims on suits.

Toxicologist can poison any night... so what happened n1?
Roleblocked suspects = Canada, USA, Cyprus, England?
Unclaimed jailed person?
Columbia was maybe poisoned and healed? Do Poison removal provide the same feedback as attack and healed?
Targeted someone already dead?
Targeted someone immune?
AFK/decided not to act to throw us off?

Not only there's a good chance mafia tailored one of their own members who would obviously not report that feedback.

[Old FM Sweden]

Well it doesnt resolve anything aswell, if he gets speedlynched and we lose a half day, as we already concluded the evil faction can be really big, so they could jump on a particular point that we dont know fast on him to end the day, together with one or 2 bad townies. Also I dont ebleive we have any architect no architect claims at all, since ppl (Egypt) cry about them the whole time lol.

Please tell me you are kidding. I don't want to have to call you bad town.

[Old FM Russia]

Well Cyprus I would love to hear that in the architect chat we should be put in tonight

Don't be too quick to trust architects, I haven't seen any evidence of there being one.... and role list includes both a town and mafia architect.

[Old FM England]

He provided false information to lynch a town leader

You couldn't know it was false though, unless you're scum, that is. At the time, it was a sheriff's guilty versus a mafioso's word, and you chose a mafioso's word based on claimed actionspec. Bad scum exists too you know, and where's your vote? Surely you're not going to waste your time here just defending yourself and will spend it actually pushing scum? Cyprus even kindly gave us links to ISOs.

Also can you comment on my mexico case and/or make a reads list?

[Old FM Poland]

I am resolutely against a Kenya Lynch, he's confirmed town in my eyes. I also against a Thailand lynch, mostly because he's clearly lurking and pressure won't do anything. I will lend support to

FM Mexico

[Old FM England]

Poland you haven't addressed my attack on you. Can you give a reads list?

[Old FM Poland]

Lol wut? You attacked me? I was not attacked nor healed.

[Old FM England]

I meant my case on you.

Can you just give my your reads?

[Old FM Russia]

So Night Kill profiling:
Pakistan - reason the notes were removed
Australia - not sure yet

China x2 - Town Leader (most likely attacked by scum)
New Zealand - not sure yet (seems as random as Australia to me... same killer?)
England - poisoned by a neutral, strong analysis in few posts d2 / unlikely to be healed n2.

KPN is possibly up to 4... I'm doubting the presence of a cult more and more.. KPN of 5 with cult is getting a bit high. Not ruling it out yet though.

A side thought would be with this seemingly coordinated attack on England and the suit... Poison might be a drug. I hope so.
Because from what I understand from the rolecard, you die end of day so doc can't even cure you tonight. Be sure to include your role in your LW. I assume that your last will appear at end of day and not start of d4 if you truly are poisoned.

@ England: Also, there was feedback you decided to withold d2 in post 294... is it something that could help us or is it best to bring it to the grave with you?



I'm not against a Mexican lynch, most of my night was spent re-reading day 2 so I focused more on those reads, and Mexico pretty much coasted through day 2 ridding the wave. Search function for day 1 is 90% broken so I didn't really look too much into it.

I'll be online again later day 3. I'll vote for Mexico then if that seems to be the chosen lynch for today.

Good Night.

[Old FM Colombia]

Poland, how can someone who hasn't even claimed be confirmed Town? Seriously, you can't make such an assumption in that aspect.

Guiser/Vent Code:

ENZZNVTRDTIGEEIRMZZZHZEENLNZDIEZIETT

[Old FM Argentina]

You couldn't know it was false though, unless you're scum, that is. At the time, it was a sheriff's guilty versus a mafioso's word, and you chose a mafioso's word based on claimed actionspec. Bad scum exists too you know, and where's your vote? Surely you're not going to waste your time here just defending yourself and will spend it actually pushing scum? Cyprus even kindly gave us links to ISOs.

Also can you comment on my mexico case and/or make a reads list?

I can support a mexico lynch.

He still supported Greenland post Columbia reveal - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26855-FM-XXI-Day-2?p=436187&viewfull=1#post436187

Made sure his vote listed as on Greenland in the EndOfDay post even if it meant an hour early hammer.


I need to stop lurking, I signed for a game after all. Too bad I have nothing to contribute and everyone have already posted walls of texts, made their claims, read and post their analyses. Is there in any way I can contribute so I can stop lurking? Oh gahwd I need to stop lurking.

[Old FM England]

Oh god
Oh god
I have a vest.
I have a fucking vest that I could've used.
Why didn't I use the damned vest?

asdfghjkl;

Pedit: Argentina where's your vote?

[Old FM Argentina]

I can support a mexico lynch.

He still supported Greenland post Columbia reveal - http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26855-FM-XXI-Day-2?p=436187&viewfull=1#post436187

Made sure his vote listed as on Greenland in the EndOfDay post even if it meant an hour early hammer.

Forgot to vote in that post

FM Mexico

I'm at work at the moment but I will try can get a good list of reads up.

[Old FM Colombia]

Oh, and I forgot to vote for Mexico...

FM Mexico

It's already obvious that they are today's lynch.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

Anyone posting day codes to confirm they are not vented / disg is just inviting mafia to start sending coded messages right in front of our faces.. I highly discourage it. If you are relying on codes to "prove" who you are, then you are making yourself a target since I'm sure if mafia can break a few codes if they spent the time on them... It's much easier to compare posting habits. Vented people tend not to post too much to remain under the radar.

Its funny that people noticed a difference in Canada's posting habits and assumed he was culted rather than him being vented.
1) posting habits can be faked aswell
2) just because you make codes doesn't mean it's all you rely on, style is still a thing
3) even if someone cracks a code no harm is done, because it's just as bad as no code at all, because smart people would notice the code was easy to crack
4) the cp9 from fm17 only broke codes because they were badly made
5) real encrypted plaintext messages couldn't be sent by such codes, because they will have to be solved usually. and townies not doing codes wouldn't prevent scum from doing so anyway.
there are so many other ways to send messages if preplanned (preplanned means like "if i say x i mean y", you can only say things you planned before, encrypted messages on the contrary could be anything). and the messages by these codes would have to be preplanned too (like if i post this code i mean this) because you can't encrypt messages without anyone noticing. koreas special codes could also be such preplanned messages, just saying
but if you want to send more than preplanned messages, such simple codes won't help and steganography is a science itself.


By the way, New Zealand is against the Town. I had a gun and I shot him because of D1P206
are you serious now or again trolling



so first of all my code solution and a new code. i used the same variation than egypt, because of personal preference. but to prevent further misunderstandings, i will use the standard vigenere for all future codes (excluding my lw code that has already been created earlier)
we have now confirmed ghost (against town), so codes are actually very useful and anyone who says different is dumb.

METALOXIDE
FIELDEFFECT
SNYMPTDOIH
created d2 page 9 with 50 ppp

this means i am now confirmed myself though i didnt make code d1, because 2 days vent in a row is not possible. thus i will be able to confirm myself any following day aswell

new code: UBBFWLSQKYQXKZK
follow same pattern as old one (explained d2 page 9 with 50ppp) with only difference mentioned above that a in key is now 0 and not 1.
all my codes created in future will follow the same system, even if i dont explicitly mention it.


so about egypt being vented. let's summarize the case
1) did his posting style change?
your main argument is, that his posting style changed dramatically because he's posting so frequently now. but you forget one thing: activity is not a factor of posting style. activity is something completely different and doesn't tell us if someone is vented or not. maybe he just was busy? you can never tell. furthermore, what reason for vent to post so much on an account thats known for not posting much? to make it seem less legit?
2) the code.
let me quote fm russia first

Aslo, anyone can make that code say anything they want since Egypt posted both the solution AND the abstract key today, observe:

I take the only thing town knows about which is
Lfgedvcjim
I say the key is: xhycvurzsb
I say the Solution is: Im Egyptian

And because there are soo many of you that made such a bad codes yesterday with random letters/numbers, that would be accepted.
the difference of the real solution to your fake one is, that the key actually makes sense (twd = the walking dead). so it can't be just faked, you have to crack it. given that the key is only 3 letters, it's definitely not a safe code. however that twd and rick grimes are not words from a dictionary makes it harder to crack it. despite the short key it's still not easy to crack, it requires a lot of knowledge, which makes it rather unlikely it actually happened. there is no 100% (maybe 90%), but there is never 100% in fms (we're already so far you can't even trust the graveyard). even my own code could be cracked actually (here the safety would be about 99% though)

you're right that you would get away with this fake solution though, because there are too many who can't make good codes. your solution would never prove that you are vented (that's why code explanations are required, like mine, it would actually be confirmed that i'm vented shall i not be able to solve it) but it also wouldn't prove that you are you. and that's the main point of codes, to prove you are you. as long as not everybody makes perfect codes you'll never be able to find out who is vented by codes, unless the vent is dumb. but you can still find out who is not if someone posts a unique and heavy crackable solution (even if he didnt specify), which is important especially for confirmed townies, so you know you can still trust them.

3) the vent
why are you all so paranoid we have a vent? there's nothing which indicates and there are even several reasons against it. i get the feeling that some of those who spread this paranoia are mafia who want us to be careful on who we lynch (so we may think one's not mafia, just vented) and also to not trust anyone, especially not our prs, confirmed townies and leaders
here what speaks against it:
a) the lack of any claims. srsly who you think was vented yesterday? china? i doubt it. other than that no one was killed from scum last night.
b) the lack of anything that would hurt the town. what would you think the vent would do with the puppet? try to gain more towncred? no. get the puppet or someone else lynched? more likely. how to achieve? fake claims, fake results, obviously scummy, etc
nothing like that happened so far
c) the meta. it is generally agreed that vent is one of the most annoying roles existing. why put it in your game? also we already have a ghost. and i suspect there is a disguiser too. and i'm pretty sure that there's a sk because of kills, who can disguise too.
d) the paranoia. like i said, scum tries to cause paranoia because they have no vent. even greenland tried to set into our mind that egypt was vented, meaning there is vent.


anyway, there are some other things i want to say.
first fm canada is pretty scummy in my book, from d1. also i think the rb in n1 was real and made by an escort.
furthermore i think mexico is just a citizen who doesn't care so much. ml on him i guess, if it doesn't work we found a scum.

the guy i want to pressure/lynch is FM Sweden
from reading his posts i get a scum feeling, to me it seems like he's just fake contributing all the time

as everyone seems to do it, i am assuming using programs to create encryptions that could also be made by hand is allowed just to make life easier

[Forum Mafia GM]

as everyone seems to do it, i am assuming using programs to create encryptions that could also be made by hand is allowed just to make life easier

No, using programs to create codes is not allowed. You will be expected to show me/explain to me how you made your code or risk being replaced. Using programs to solve codes is not against the rules.

[Old FM Mexico]

There have been a grand total of 3 people who have talked about you as being scum: Iran, Korea and me. I hadn't posted yet, Korea's votes have been erratic at best today and 1 person favouring someone else over you is not a defence.

FM China left a last will:
FM Mexico: I'm pegging him scum, he seems too "IDGAF" to be town and is playing the apathetic card

Article :
"FM Mexico: Hammered to save his own skin!"



Now to attend these votes ; What is my role? I can't be Mafia, because it's too stupid to be open like this and the team mates would have brought some ideas. No, this "apparently scum" have decided to complain about the lack of votes on itself and the lack of reactions on "obvious scum" other than that I have to point it out.

Obvious Non-Town Scum, doesn't bait an eye.
Could be town or scum, everyone loses their mind.
^ This is how I am thinking. I'm taking my guess on that there's scum of those that is thinking Non-Town, and that as long I'm not a mafia I'm less of a priority. Your logic is way flawed.

FM Iran

[Old FM Mexico]

BTW Mexico since you're here (and correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't seen this question asked today),

Why the hell did you choose to hammer right there? I mean I was going away for a while and I wouldn't have been back in time to discuss some things, but there are other people that could've benefited from being told what night actions to do and such for people like Japan. Japan could be making some foolish night actions right now, and some guidance might've been helpful. I saw some negative comments about your hammer, and well.... why'd you do it?

This is to give myself maximum of scum points.

Mafia frames or blackmails me, but won't kill me.
Cultists won't target me.
Mason might target me thinking I'm Cult.
Since I'm too obvious scum, Town PR won't target me.

I am in fact a Citizen with a gambit, I wanted to be recruited for being so obvious scum but my reactions and play made it more obvious I'm not even with a mafia, or even have a plan. I'm too neutral, so a Mason might naturally think of me as a Cult.
Visiting me would instead recruit me to the Mason. Sadly, I were not recruited.

Reason I also ended it so suddenly is to make others shut up, raising the cap of scum points and making it harder to get obvious targets, see if it would make my plan happen. If it happen, I'd waste night actions of the Mafia by being confirmed to the Mason's and Doctor would heal someone actually important, investigate targeting anyone else.

Sue me, this is the best you're getting from me.

[Old FM Poland]

This is to give myself maximum of scum points.

Mafia frames or blackmails me, but won't kill me.
Cultists won't target me.
Mason might target me thinking I'm Cult.
Since I'm too obvious scum, Town PR won't target me.

I am in fact a Citizen with a gambit, I wanted to be recruited for being so obvious scum but my reactions and play made it more obvious I'm not even with a mafia, or even have a plan. I'm too neutral, so a Mason might naturally think of me as a Cult.
Visiting me would instead recruit me to the Mason. Sadly, I were not recruited.

Reason I also ended it so suddenly is to make others shut up, raising the cap of scum points and making it harder to get obvious targets, see if it would make my plan happen. If it happen, I'd waste night actions of the Mafia by being confirmed to the Mason's and Doctor would heal someone actually important, investigate targeting anyone else.

Sue me, this is the best you're getting from me.

All aboard! CHOO CHOO!

[Old FM Mexico]

All aboard! CHOO CHOO!

You're unreasonable, sheepish and do not even contribute the case of me. You're pegged scum in my view and plainly tunneling.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

so i made it pretty clear why egypt is not disguised, what i think he is either town (not necessarily sheriff) or exe/jester, but leaning town. he sure isn't scum. too much risk for neutral evils to out greenland like this and too hardcore bussing for mafia.
still i dont think doing such shit based on a read is pretty bad, what if you were wrong... you should have just checked him if you're really sheriff.
luckily i didnt vote because of the sheriff claim but because of colombia and my own reads. and after my vote the mason claim nailed it down.

[Old FM Colombia]

This is to give myself maximum of scum points.

Mafia frames or blackmails me, but won't kill me.
Cultists won't target me.
Mason might target me thinking I'm Cult.
Since I'm too obvious scum, Town PR won't target me.

I am in fact a Citizen with a gambit, I wanted to be recruited for being so obvious scum but my reactions and play made it more obvious I'm not even with a mafia, or even have a plan. I'm too neutral, so a Mason might naturally think of me as a Cult.
Visiting me would instead recruit me to the Mason. Sadly, I were not recruited.

Reason I also ended it so suddenly is to make others shut up, raising the cap of scum points and making it harder to get obvious targets, see if it would make my plan happen. If it happen, I'd waste night actions of the Mafia by being confirmed to the Mason's and Doctor would heal someone actually important, investigate targeting anyone else.

Sue me, this is the best you're getting from me.
Aka, you played your role poorly, given you are telling the truth. However, I don't believe you, and if you ARE a Citizen, then we don't lose all that much by lynching you.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

This is to give myself maximum of scum points.

Mafia frames or blackmails me, but won't kill me.
Cultists won't target me.
Mason might target me thinking I'm Cult.
Since I'm too obvious scum, Town PR won't target me.

I am in fact a Citizen with a gambit, I wanted to be recruited for being so obvious scum but my reactions and play made it more obvious I'm not even with a mafia, or even have a plan. I'm too neutral, so a Mason might naturally think of me as a Cult.
Visiting me would instead recruit me to the Mason. Sadly, I were not recruited.

Reason I also ended it so suddenly is to make others shut up, raising the cap of scum points and making it harder to get obvious targets, see if it would make my plan happen. If it happen, I'd waste night actions of the Mafia by being confirmed to the Mason's and Doctor would heal someone actually important, investigate targeting anyone else.

Sue me, this is the best you're getting from me.

well tbh this is one of the shittest plans this game, but i srsly think you are indeed a citizen. guys we should better focus on someone else now, whose claim can't be confirmed or disproved so easily

[Old FM England]

In retrospect I probably shouldn't have outed the existence of an armoursmith, my role isn't even that good so I shouldn't be so frustrated. I'm just mad because the whole point of that vest FMPOV was to bait scum in the first place.

@Mexico: "I can't be mafia because I'm being too stupid" is not a defence. I can't even understand the last paragraph so do you mind explaining it again.

Is Iran scum just for voting you? Am I scum then? Are we scummy at all outside of our suspicion of you?

@Poland: Are you just ignoring me now?

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

well tbh this is one of the shittest plans this game, but i srsly think you are indeed a citizen. guys we should better focus on someone else now, whose claim can't be confirmed or disproved so easilyHaven't been able to read back yet, but I don't quite get what you mean by that. "Can't be disproved so easily." If they're making a claim that is disproved easily, wouldn't that be reason to go after said person? Your logic doesn't make sense to me.

[Old FM Poland]

@Poland: Are you just ignoring me now?

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

[Old FM England]

Wait I was cut. That "last paragraph" is for post #435.

"I played bad so I would be recruited" - really? I'm no longer in the mood for this, and I have lectures now. Be back later.

@Poland: Reads, man. Who is scum? Who is town? Look at my previous wall, can you replicate something like that?

[Old FM Costa Rica]

Haven't been able to read back yet, but I don't quite get what you mean by that. "Can't be disproved so easily." If they're making a claim that is disproved easily, wouldn't that be reason to go after said person? Your logic doesn't make sense to me.

no i mean that masons could just see if he's citizen or cult. if he's not citizen he's probably cult imo

[Old FM Mexico]

@Mexico: "I can't be mafia because I'm being too stupid" is not a defence. I can't even understand the last paragraph so do you mind explaining it again.

If I were mafia, then tell me exactly why I'm doing what I do and what I've done to benefit my team mates. I'd like to see your thoughts on this, it's amusing to read and I'll learn of how others think when trying to find scum.


"I played bad so I would be recruited" - really? I'm no longer in the mood for this, and I have lectures now. Be back later.

At that point, what would others think? My point were to make them see me as a Neutral, and with a certain mind peg me as a cultist. Purge me to kill me, right? Nope, that's a gambit to recruit me.

[Old FM Colombia]

I'll bring up the idea that recruiting a good Citizen is better than recruiting a poor one. It's just simply not worth recruiting Mexico based on this idea. Granted, the idea that more questionable players should be cleared first rises; the contribution level difference is drastic enough to nullify that idea.

[Old FM Sweden]

Well Costa Rica I can honestly say your sum gut feel on me doesn't bother me in the slightest ;)
Although I do frown at you saying I fake contribute. It's not like I'm USA or Poland. I'm doing things qq

[Old FM Poland]

Wait I was cut. That "last paragraph" is for post #435.

"I played bad so I would be recruited" - really? I'm no longer in the mood for this, and I have lectures now. Be back later.

@Poland: Reads, man. Who is scum? Who is town? Look at my previous wall, can you replicate something like that?

Oh! So now you guys want reads from the Town Retarddo you. No i'll think I'll keep my reads to myself thank you very much.

[Old FM Colombia]

Oh! So now you guys want reads from the Town Retarddo you. No i'll think I'll keep my reads to myself thank you very much.
Keeping reads to yourself is anti-Town; please do share if you have them.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

I'd like to ask Libya a question; I did not see an explanation for this when they first posted.

Why did you decide not to recruit me?

Now, I'm seeing a lot of claims around here, and here's what we've got in total...

Egypt - Sheriff
Colombia - Citizen
Fiji - Citizen
Mexico - Citizen
France - Survivor
??? (Can't remember who this was) - Survivor

France is lying about his claim. Not caring about the game in which it is one where you stay alive is an absurd way of saying one of two things. This could consist of either "I just don't care about the game" or "I'm not a Survivor, andnim using this as lynchbait later on". Either way, it obviously isn't going to help France's case in the long run no matter what, so the best thing to do is flag it as a lie right now.

Now, with Fiji's claim...it was entirely unneeded. The same goes for Mexico. I think I speak for everyone when it is blatantly obvious that Mexico is going to end up being our lynch today, mainly because of what's been happening. Right as he was put into lynch priority, he got a little bit more active as a reaction, but never really provided a defense to the votes casted against him. He has now slipped into a streak of inactivity, which in turn means that Mexico is either a very bad Citizen, or the brevity of his posts reveal an ulterior role behind his claim. I'm willing to go with the latter before the former, mainly due to the idea that the stereotypical Citizen seems to be a lot better here than in past games. Fiji's Citizen claim (once again, it was unneeded) is also a bit shaky from my perspective, but their reasoning for the claim makes it easily cleared. I'm willing to trust Fiji for the time being, but not entirely until I see them in a Mason chat at my side. This ges for Libya and whoever the Mason Leader is as well.

Cyprus saying that my claim wasn't to be trusted doesn't make sense; Libya's claim essentially locked in the fact that I can be cleared more easily than anyone else in the game (and vice versa, really), so I don't understand why my claim still can't be trusted. The only possible way that my claim isn't one to be trusted is the idea that Libya lied about being a Mason to look like a Town member, thus resulting in the Greenland lynch. It's just as likely as the chance that Libya is a Mason due to the fact that it so easily got Greenland lynched yesterday, and you can go into a great limbo on it over time. But for now, we've no choice but to trust the claim in order to hope for a few cleared Town members over time.

To the Masons, if you even exist...it's clearly obvious that you have a choice tonight, but I'd urge you to recruit me over Fiji/Mexico. It's obvious that you wouldn't want someone like me on a potential Cult, so I'd present you now the opportunity to take that chance away completely. From NY perspective, Mason recruit priority should be...

Colombia > Fiji > Mexico

That's in the case that Mexico doesn't get lynched; if they do, then feel free to take Mexico off of that list. I'm out for now; I'll have to get my analysis from my computer so I can share with everyone.
i need to correct this, was fiji and india who claimed citizen out of nowhere, mexico just claimed right now i think

I'll bring up the idea that recruiting a good Citizen is better than recruiting a poor one. It's just simply not worth recruiting Mexico based on this idea. Granted, the idea that more questionable players should be cleared first rises; the contribution level difference is drastic enough to nullify that idea.
well but mexico might be cult too (after all he says "he acted like cult on intention" which may be an excuse for "he acted cult because he's cult"

[Old FM Colombia]

Mexico claimed before Fiji did, and I'm pretty sure of that. I don't remember India claiming, but I guess it makes sense. I still remember that there was a Survivor claim aside from France somewhere, though.

[Old FM Sweden]

Oh! So now you guys want reads from the Town Retarddo you. No i'll think I'll keep my reads to myself thank you very much.

We should policy lynch you. Bad town who keep things to themselves are more harmful than most scum players.

[Old FM Poland]

I've expressed damning evidence against 2 people neither of which you guys wanted to lynch, if I continue I'm gonna get capped by the mafia and what good does that do? If I though you guys would be a single word I said I'd be happy to share, but I'd rather not reveal my thoughts when the only people that will take it seriously want me dead. Nice try though.

[Old FM Italy]

I've expressed damning evidence against 2 people neither of which you guys wanted to lynch, if I continue I'm gonna get capped by the mafia and what good does that do? If I though you guys would be a single word I said I'd be happy to share, but I'd rather not reveal my thoughts when the only people that will take it seriously want me dead. Nice try though.

I don't want you dead, and I'm always willing to listen to seriously to anything anyone has to say.

Feel free to speak your mind, please.

[Old FM Poland]

I don't want you dead, and I'm always willing to listen to seriously to anything anyone has to say.

Feel free to speak your mind, please.

Show me you trust me and I'll open up, that means lynching either FM South Korea or FM Egypt.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

Mexico claimed before Fiji did, and I'm pretty sure of that. I don't remember India claiming, but I guess it makes sense. I still remember that there was a Survivor claim aside from France somewhere, though.
here from india

Yes, yes. Keep fighting.

You all being distracted will allow me to rush nukes, and kill you all! Ghandi the Peaceful? Pfft. Ghandi the life-ender.

(No one attacked me, and I'm claiming Cit now so someone can recruit me to a more eventful role)

mexico #314 might be citizen claim but it's nothing certain, to me it seems like he was rather pissed

norway claimed survivor after france. if at all we should lynch france and not waste our lynch on a citizen/culted citizen

[Old FM Iran]

I will miss you England. Looks like dying man's wish will make lynch on Mexico happen. I'm happy.

FM Mexico

I skipped last 100 posts just to vote Mexico, I'm glad to see this pressure happening.

I still don't like Fiji's logic. Citizen who is afraid of dying? Who's claiming on L-13? Who needs be Masonized to be of value to Town? Who was almost coached yesterDay by Greenland? Yeah, I think this guy is going down soon.

[Old FM Colombia]

Poland, why are you taking interest in lynching the most likely Town members? Taking out the people who have the best chance of leading the Town only makes you look worse, and you're clearly not helping your own case. Granted, South Korea is questionable, but that doesn't excuse everyone else you've gone with. You've only ever trusted leaders that were scum, and now you're in a desperate attempt to take control because that person is gone.

FM Poland

Talk.

[Old FM Colombia]

@Costa Rice: Okay, I see what I did wrong. I mistook India's claim for a claim that Mexico made. That's my mistake.

[Old FM Colombia]

Costa Rica * fucking auto correct is a bitch.

[Old FM Italy]

Show me you trust me and I'll open up, that means lynching either FM South Korea or FM Egypt.

Egypt I believe to be acting in a manner that befits him having caught a scum without needing a night action to do so, which is what he claims to have done. However unlikely the circumstances may be that he checked a mafia who died on night 1 and proceeded to push a lynch on dayreads alone against another scum, I'm willing to believe for now that that is what happened, unless you have something else to say against him. In which case, pray tell.

South Korea I feel nothing certain about, and would gladly hear more of what you have to say against her.

[Old FM Poland]

Egypt I believe to be acting in a manner that befits him having caught a scum without needing a night action to do so, which is what he claims to have done. However unlikely the circumstances may be that he checked a mafia who died on night 1 and proceeded to push a lynch on dayreads alone against another scum, I'm willing to believe for now that that is what happened, unless you have something else to say against him. In which case, pray tell.

South Korea I feel nothing certain about, and would gladly hear more of what you have to say against her.

Day 2 I asserted that South Korea was passing codes. I made that very clear, yet nobody believe me, this was before the Egypt situation btw so you can't make the argument that we had a better lead at the time.

[Old FM Sweden]

Define codes and provide the posts you are talking about please

[Old FM Poland]

Special Codes that will not be solved. Ring a bell?

Seriously there is no point of such a code because it will not confirm you, it only serves as a way of passing information through public channels that can only be interpreted by those with privileged information.

[Old FM Sweden]

Special Codes that will not be solved. Ring a bell?

Seriously there is no point of such a code because it will not confirm you, it only serves as a way of passing information through public channels that can only be interpreted by those with privileged information.
So you are saying sk is passing codes using the anti disguised and vent defense as an excuse?

[Old FM Poland]

So you are saying sk is passing codes using the anti disguised and vent defense as an excuse?

No, I am saying South Korea is a mafia passing codes, and Egypt is a Serial Killer playing aggressively.

[Old FM Colombia]

No, I am saying South Korea is a mafia passing codes, and Egypt is a Serial Killer playing aggressively.
Are you even listening to me? You're clearly a much better lead than both of them combined due to your incompetence to listen to anybody who says anything against you.

[Old FM Poland]

Are you even listening to me? You're clearly a much better lead than both of them combined due to your incompetence to listen to anybody who says anything against you.

And now Im Retard Town again, back to sheeping.

[Old FM Iran]

Show me you trust me and I'll open up, that means lynching either FM South Korea or FM Egypt.

This is just wrong.

[Old FM Sweden]

Day 2 I asserted that South Korea was passing codes. I made that very clear, yet nobody believe me, this was before the Egypt situation btw so you can't make the argument that we had a better lead at the time.


Define codes and provide the posts you are talking about please


Special Codes that will not be solved. Ring a bell?

Seriously there is no point of such a code because it will not confirm you, it only serves as a way of passing information through public channels that can only be interpreted by those with privileged information.


So you are saying sk is passing codes using the anti disguised and vent defense as an excuse?

Are you fucking kidding me.
Egypt please save me from this kid

[Old FM Colombia]

And now Im Retard Town again, back to sheeping.
Clearly your own self pity isn't going to change my decision. You're not sheeping; you're going after bad leads. All of these bad leads end up leading you to vote for nobody other than Town leaders, which can be seen as your desperate attekpt to be the leader yourself. Your lust for control is what's causing these suspicions, not your self proclaimed idiocy.

[Old FM Sweden]

Moving on from Poland is a conversation about FM France and FM Norway. Those survivor calls cc each other. I'm thinking France is the lurking scum and Norway is town sided survivor trying to help out scum France

[Old FM Egypt]

Are you fucking kidding me.
Egypt please save me from this kid

I can do nothing against Poland. Unlike Poland in real life this guy just refuses to lay down and die.

[Old FM Egypt]

And now Im Retard Town again, back to sheeping.

I think this should be a new random slot on Sc2.
Town Retard
- Citizen, Crier, Vigilante, Bus Driver, Mayor

[Old FM Poland]

Clearly your own self pity isn't going to change my decision. You're not sheeping; you're going after bad leads. All of these bad leads end up leading you to vote for nobody other than Town leaders, which can be seen as your desperate attekpt to be the leader yourself. Your lust for control is what's causing these suspicions, not your self proclaimed idiocy.

You know what, you are absolutely right, I am such an idiot for not realizing. I am just so stubborn in my convictions that I can't be swayed by any arguments. This is clearly an indication that I am poor town leader, after all I was so stubborn that Greenland was town that I just had to believe that you were acting unreasonable. I apologize for my mistakes, I will let you guys lead the town and I will hope to high heavens that I'm wrong about Egypt.

[Old FM Egypt]

1) posting habits can be faked aswell
2) just because you make codes doesn't mean it's all you rely on, style is still a thing
3) even if someone cracks a code no harm is done, because it's just as bad as no code at all, because smart people would notice the code was easy to crack
4) the cp9 from fm17 only broke codes because they were badly made
5) real encrypted plaintext messages couldn't be sent by such codes, because they will have to be solved usually. and townies not doing codes wouldn't prevent scum from doing so anyway.
there are so many other ways to send messages if preplanned (preplanned means like "if i say x i mean y", you can only say things you planned before, encrypted messages on the contrary could be anything). and the messages by these codes would have to be preplanned too (like if i post this code i mean this) because you can't encrypt messages without anyone noticing. koreas special codes could also be such preplanned messages, just saying
but if you want to send more than preplanned messages, such simple codes won't help and steganography is a science itself.


are you serious now or again trolling



so first of all my code solution and a new code. i used the same variation than egypt, because of personal preference. but to prevent further misunderstandings, i will use the standard vigenere for all future codes (excluding my lw code that has already been created earlier)
we have now confirmed ghost (against town), so codes are actually very useful and anyone who says different is dumb.

METALOXIDE
FIELDEFFECT
SNYMPTDOIH
created d2 page 9 with 50 ppp

this means i am now confirmed myself though i didnt make code d1, because 2 days vent in a row is not possible. thus i will be able to confirm myself any following day aswell

new code: UBBFWLSQKYQXKZK
follow same pattern as old one (explained d2 page 9 with 50ppp) with only difference mentioned above that a in key is now 0 and not 1.
all my codes created in future will follow the same system, even if i dont explicitly mention it.


so about egypt being vented. let's summarize the case
1) did his posting style change?
your main argument is, that his posting style changed dramatically because he's posting so frequently now. but you forget one thing: activity is not a factor of posting style. activity is something completely different and doesn't tell us if someone is vented or not. maybe he just was busy? you can never tell. furthermore, what reason for vent to post so much on an account thats known for not posting much? to make it seem less legit?
2) the code.
let me quote fm russia first

the difference of the real solution to your fake one is, that the key actually makes sense (twd = the walking dead). so it can't be just faked, you have to crack it. given that the key is only 3 letters, it's definitely not a safe code. however that twd and rick grimes are not words from a dictionary makes it harder to crack it. despite the short key it's still not easy to crack, it requires a lot of knowledge, which makes it rather unlikely it actually happened. there is no 100% (maybe 90%), but there is never 100% in fms (we're already so far you can't even trust the graveyard). even my own code could be cracked actually (here the safety would be about 99% though)

you're right that you would get away with this fake solution though, because there are too many who can't make good codes. your solution would never prove that you are vented (that's why code explanations are required, like mine, it would actually be confirmed that i'm vented shall i not be able to solve it) but it also wouldn't prove that you are you. and that's the main point of codes, to prove you are you. as long as not everybody makes perfect codes you'll never be able to find out who is vented by codes, unless the vent is dumb. but you can still find out who is not if someone posts a unique and heavy crackable solution (even if he didnt specify), which is important especially for confirmed townies, so you know you can still trust them.

3) the vent
why are you all so paranoid we have a vent? there's nothing which indicates and there are even several reasons against it. i get the feeling that some of those who spread this paranoia are mafia who want us to be careful on who we lynch (so we may think one's not mafia, just vented) and also to not trust anyone, especially not our prs, confirmed townies and leaders
here what speaks against it:
a) the lack of any claims. srsly who you think was vented yesterday? china? i doubt it. other than that no one was killed from scum last night.
b) the lack of anything that would hurt the town. what would you think the vent would do with the puppet? try to gain more towncred? no. get the puppet or someone else lynched? more likely. how to achieve? fake claims, fake results, obviously scummy, etc
nothing like that happened so far
c) the meta. it is generally agreed that vent is one of the most annoying roles existing. why put it in your game? also we already have a ghost. and i suspect there is a disguiser too. and i'm pretty sure that there's a sk because of kills, who can disguise too.
d) the paranoia. like i said, scum tries to cause paranoia because they have no vent. even greenland tried to set into our mind that egypt was vented, meaning there is vent.


anyway, there are some other things i want to say.
first fm canada is pretty scummy in my book, from d1. also i think the rb in n1 was real and made by an escort.
furthermore i think mexico is just a citizen who doesn't care so much. ml on him i guess, if it doesn't work we found a scum.

the guy i want to pressure/lynch is FM Sweden
from reading his posts i get a scum feeling, to me it seems like he's just fake contributing all the time

as everyone seems to do it, i am assuming using programs to create encryptions that could also be made by hand is allowed just to make life easier

Well hel-fucking-o there. I'm personally a fan of Sweden, but please do on with the posts

[Old FM Colombia]

You know what, you are absolutely right, I am such an idiot for not realizing. I am just so stubborn in my convictions that I can't be swayed by any arguments. This is clearly an indication that I am poor town leader, after all I was so stubborn that Greenland was town that I just had to believe that you were acting unreasonable. I apologize for my mistakes, I will let you guys lead the town and I will hope to high heavens that I'm wrong about Egypt.
The more you say you're a terrible Town, the more suspicious I get of you. It's obvious that you've paid little attention to what I've been saying, and now you're in a desperate attempt to get me away from you. It isn't going to work.

Poland < Mexico < South Korea

[Old FM Poland]

Oh snap, Agreeing is a scum tell, I am SOOOOO retarded, I should just roll over and die. Maybe I should go to the doctor and see if I have Down syndrome. I apologize for wasting the entire die debating over something that I was so obviously wrong about. I'm so glad I have such a good friend like you Colombia, if it weren't for you I never would have realized.

[Old FM Colombia]

Ugh, I made a mistake with my priorities; I meant to put France instead of South Korea.

Poland < Mexico < France

[Old FM Colombia]

Oh snap, Agreeing is a scum tell, I am SOOOOO retarded, I should just roll over and die. Maybe I should go to the doctor and see if I have Down syndrome. I apologize for wasting the entire die debating over something that I was so obviously wrong about. I'm so glad I have such a good friend like you Colombia, if it weren't for you I never would have realized.
There's a difference between agreeing with someone and desperately trying to get someone away from you. You are undergoing the latter right now.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

ok i move on from sweden.

i'm going to start the train now that should be there instead of the mexico train
FM France
obviously he is a neutral evil who hides behind a survivor claim. neutral evils are our top priority atm imo. also we got nothing to lose from this lynch.
choo choo, all on the train to "gare du nord" in paris, france!

[Old FM Costa Rica]

ok i move on from sweden.


notice the double meaning

[Old FM Poland]

There's a difference between agreeing with someone and desperately trying to get someone away from you. You are undergoing the latter right now.

Oh my god, how right you are. We should be glad god blessed you with such an incredible intellect. It's clear that I'm scum, I must be so stupid to have misread my role card. Now we've got that straight, I have to say I totally agree with you South Korea was not passing messages, and Egypt had every reason to accuse Greenland with no evidence!

[Old FM Colombia]

You know what? I'm done with you. Please, if everyone can lynch this fool so we can keep complete retardation away from future days, that'd be wonderful.

[Old FM Egypt]

Oh my god, how right you are. We should be glad god blessed you with such an incredible intellect. It's clear that I'm scum, I must be so stupid to have misread my role card. Now we've got that straight, I have to say I totally agree with you South Korea was not passing messages, and Egypt had every reason to accuse Greenland with no evidence!

'evidence' is a tough thing to come by in this game Poland.
It must be real fun to be the only one thinking your way, feeling like literally everyone else is insane.

Anyway, come for Day 3, and Costa Rica mentioned that my previous one was a bit weak

yqnvsqzvbloenjfvjrjkmnatnnuqqdja

Dis shit real good.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

'evidence' is a tough thing to come by in this game Poland.
It must be real fun to be the only one thinking your way, feeling like literally everyone else is insane.

Anyway, come for Day 3, and Costa Rica mentioned that my previous one was a bit weak

yqnvsqzvbloenjfvjrjkmnatnnuqqdja

Dis shit real good.

you know longer isn't better if your key is just 5 letters, in the contrary^^

[Old FM Egypt]

you know longer isn't better if your key is just 5 letters, in the contrary^^

my key is stronger as well.

[Old FM Poland]

'evidence' is a tough thing to come by in this game Poland.
It must be real fun to be the only one thinking your way, feeling like literally everyone else is insane.

Anyway, come for Day 3, and Costa Rica mentioned that my previous one was a bit weak

yqnvsqzvbloenjfvjrjkmnatnnuqqdja

Dis shit real good.

Oh ok, I'm not stupid, just wrong in the head. A different way of thinking I get it, I wonder what possibly could cause that. Maybe I should stop doing Cocaine, and Meth. That might help. Thanks for your opinion. Have fun leading us to victory.

[Old FM Egypt]

Oh ok, I'm not stupid, just wrong in the head. A different way of thinking I get it, I wonder what possibly could cause that. Maybe I should stop doing Cocaine, and Meth. That might help. Thanks for your opinion. Have fun leading us to victory.

I suggested you smoke a blunt last night. Could help with the mellowing out and taking things a bit less insanely. For what it's worth I don't really think you're that scummy necessarily. If you'd step back for a minute and come back with some legitimate contributions that'd be real nice.

[Old FM Poland]

I suggested you smoke a blunt last night. Could help with the mellowing out and taking things a bit less insanely. For what it's worth I don't really think you're that scummy necessarily. If you'd step back for a minute and come back with some legitimate contributions that'd be real nice.

Lemme just do that. I suppose I'll be back after I smoke a blunt and reread with a clear head. I'll see you soon.

[Old FM Sweden]

After thinking about it I'm gonna go onto France as well. We don't have anyone else in any case. fm France

[Old FM Egypt]

FM France
I'm comfortable with this the most at the moment.

I do still want it known that my suspicions of Kenya remain until he earns his keep some time this evening. Should Kenya not do as he has promised I think we should turn back around on him.

[Old FM Argentina]

Quite frankly I don't think Poland's accusations are as ridiculous as everyone is making them out to be.

I consider claiming sher on a day with no solid leads to lynch a town leader is a great way to get an extra kill on a town and prevent a kill on a scum with the cost of using one of your two disguise charges.

I don't remember who called SK a town leader but she is way too trolly to really rely on anything she says. It could very well be a more successful variant of Mexico's act a little scummy to hide in plain sight tactic.

And on the topic of Mexico it was exactly that, as he had stated he purposely acted scummy so that town investigative wouldn't waste their time on him, among other less pleasant night visitors. But if he's Cit as I'm pretty sure he's claiming he should be trying to get the less pleasant night visits to pull them away from town PRs like our Doc and Det. Because a citizen doesn't have night abilities it is his duty to make himself a threat to scum during the day. To be worth the kill despite not having any night ability. The pseudo-scum tactic ONLY hurts town if you're a cit, there are no benefits.

[Old FM Egypt]

Our vote is too scattered at the moment, I'd like to move into the second 24 hours with a bit more direction.

If we could have 2 or 3 legitimate options at that time instead of the 8 we have now I would appreciate that.

I would ask Colombia to leave Poland. Poland is misguided (mad) town I'm fairly sure. Also, the Thailand train is useless while we still have leads on active people that we can expect to come back at our accusations.

I'd really like people to pick between Kenya, Mexico, and France at this time if they would. If we remain splintered we will never get anything done today. Yesterday only went off so well because we all jumped on the one direction following the claims. Strong claims or not we need to pick a direction for the day to head.

k.

[Old FM Egypt]

Quite frankly I don't think Poland's accusations are as ridiculous as everyone is making them out to be.

I consider claiming sher on a day with no solid leads to lynch a town leader is a great way to get an extra kill on a town and prevent a kill on a scum with the cost of using one of your two disguise charges.

I don't remember who called SK a town leader but she is way too trolly to really rely on anything she says. It could very well be a more successful variant of Mexico's act a little scummy to hide in plain sight tactic.

And on the topic of Mexico it was exactly that, as he had stated he purposely acted scummy so that town investigative wouldn't waste their time on him, among other less pleasant night visitors. But if he's Cit as I'm pretty sure he's claiming he should be trying to get the less pleasant night visits to pull them away from town PRs like our Doc and Det. Because a citizen doesn't have night abilities it is his duty to make himself a threat to scum during the day. To be worth the kill despite not having any night ability. The pseudo-scum tactic ONLY hurts town if you're a cit, there are no benefits.

Or this guy. We can totally lynch this guy.

[Old FM Egypt]

Actually, yea.

FM Argentina

We should totally lynch Argentina.

[Old FM Costa Rica]

na i'm pretty sure argentina is town
france is the best lynch now, definitely

[Old FM Egypt]

Bleh. FM France

I'm gonna do a big read on Argentina later but like I said scattered votes are bad. So I will throw this back on before I head out for some time. Should be able to get enough out of France to make it worth it.