FM XXI: Night 2

[Forum Mafia GM]

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[Old FM Russia]

I think I'll just go facepalm in the back room - oh wait, this is the back room!

You were incredibly easy to read as a mason way before you claimed it... if you are trying to stay alive, that was not the way to do it. Luckily for us this lynch went through and there is tones of information to look at. Anyone defending Greenland should be suspects, especially if they ignored all the hinting you did about you being a mason before you claimed.

As for Egypt being a sheriff, I'm not convinced.. I think she is a lookout that was watching Pakistan. Pakistans death was not random, its the reason the notes were removed, his COM name was in the title of his notes.

I have a lot of catching up to do, I've only read/skimmed most of day 2 from my phone and haven't had any time to analyze or take any notes down. Been busy with rl work.

Oh and I had password problems day 1, had to get the host to reset the password... but by that time I was locked out for 24 hours.

[Old FM Russia]

Ignore the cult threat - Cult is very weak in this game with mass suicides. And since we have no Mason Leader, I'm doubtful there is a Cult.

And no Big FM has ever had random roles, the roles are ALWAYS handpicked to make it balanced. I wanted to smite you for your post about the chances of a Cult being in the game.

[Old FM Libya]

Ignore the cult threat - Cult is very weak in this game with mass suicides. And since we have no Mason Leader, I'm doubtful there is a Cult.

And no Big FM has ever had random roles, the roles are ALWAYS handpicked to make it balanced. I wanted to smite you for your post about the chances of a Cult being in the game.

Was trying to hide the fact that there isn't an ML. I was trying to soft claim that I was a Mason but alas I think nobody caught it... seeing nobody tried to lynch him. The claim seemed to have got people to lynch him at last.

[Old FM Russia]

China caught it really fast and even said it in post 165. Everyone should have been able to see it after that.

[Old FM Russia]

One thing we did really well was hide the connection between you and me. The amount of arguing we both did hides my role rather well.

In your last will, mention that there is currently 1 other mason, but don't mention my name.
Since you already claimed mason, I'll confirm you in my own last will.

[Old FM Libya]

But I do agree. With the chances of having a Cult Leader and without a Mason Leader, Cult Leader might not be possible at all. I think I made a good decision in revealing myself at the last moment there since it eventually led to the killing of another Mafia. At this point, the Town is really doing well. I still recommend hiding the fact that there is no ML (obvious), since nobody in the Town cares about the Cult anyways, and since everybody thinks there is Cult. It'll probably throw the neutrals and the Mafia off.

[Old FM Libya]

One thing we did really well was hide the connection between you and me. The amount of arguing we both did hides my role rather well.

In your last will, mention that there is currently 1 other mason, but don't mention my name.
Since you already claimed mason, I'll confirm you in my own last will.

Exactly.

[Old FM Libya]

Since we do have enough posts on mostly everybody, I think its time to make a list predicting who's Town and who's not, and what roles there might be.

[Old FM Russia]

I've already started going through day 2, marking down interesting things. Kenya is someone of interest, he mostly followed Greendland from begining of day, it was obvious enough that even China commented on it in post 202.

I really don't know what Cyprus is yet, I'll wait till I hear more info about him, he seems to be a person of interest for invest roles.

Japan strikes me as a new player that might be either a detective that didn't see him go anywhere or possibly a jailor that had a chat with Cyprus n1 - thus why Cyprus was reluctant about revealing his feedback. I consider roleblock claims to be possible jailed claims in disguise.

Germany hinted that he leaves feedback with people.. so either he is trying to get targeted by looking like a possible PR or he might be an escort or some other PR.. not sure if all the feedbacks were claimed yesterday, we'll see with time.

I get town vibes from Iran from skimming his posts, I should know more after analyzing posts.

Mexico is on my radar, he surfed the wave all day just following the current disc without really contributing, tried to defend Greenland then finally took the hammer vote at the end.



AFK/Lurker warning players:

Brazil has 0 posts d1 and only 3 d2.
Canada went from 9 to 5 .. 2x the amount of time and only 1/2 the amount of posts....
Costa Rica has 1 and 4
Fiji is 0 and 2
France drastically dropped from 16 to 2 - possibly replaced or is trying to seem that way after he found Pakistans COM d1. I'd keep an eye on him.
Germany is steady at 5 and 5
India is 0 and 1
Mexico dropped half from 16 - 8
Sweden dropped from 15 - 6
Switzerland is 1 and 2
Thailand went from 12 to 0! expect replacements if he doesn't bring it back up.
USA is 5 - 2


I'm at post 203 in my first re-read, looking for inconsistencies. Will post more later.... man 24h nights are short.

[Old FM Libya]

We have to consider at least 75% of all lurkers Town at this moment.

[Old FM Russia]

China reminds me much of myself - and has a strong town presence, I'd consider him to be the town leader for day 2 and considering the FoSes thrown around by Greenland and China before Egypts reveal, I'd say its safe to assume that China is not mafia.

I'd like to say that he is town but I know my own playstyle and know that a good neutral player can seem very townish.
But I have no problems letting him run around leading the town for a few days, I'm sure mafia will have their sights on him. If you get a chance to talk with anyone else during a night like an architect or jailor, feel free to tell them that China is clean.

[Old FM Russia]

What are your thoughts about Colombia? He gained huge amounts of town cred but something doesn't sit well with me, I think it may have been possible that Greenland was hoping that one of his mafia buddies would confirm him as ML.. and Colombia pretty much said "heck no"... which resulted in Colombia looking like a confirmed cit at the end.

But I find Colombia tried too hard to defend Greenland or find another possibility to defend him... this operator stupidity was another attempt at getting help from the team.

Colombia will most likely not be checked by any detectives or sheriffs.. we might get lucky with a lookout but I doubt it. I hope he turns up dead in the graveyard soon... I don't like unknowns running around that have too much town cred.

[Old FM Russia]

also, people be noticing a change in Canadas speech but no one suspects vent?

[Old FM Russia]

Just finished my first re-read of day 2... I have a bad feeling about this game, most of the high activity players seemed like they were trying to stall the lynch on Greenland. I highly suspect that the mafia have a tailor on their team and they all thought of the possibility of using it on Greenland if he survived the day. It was really only when you finally claimed that they gave up.

In short, I think we have a quiet town save for a few. Which will cause major problems if mafia have big numbers (maximum is 13 mafia if all the hidden any and hidden non town are mafia) Thats a huge voting block that town has to overcome... not to mention major team coordination. I think they had planned to defend each other.

I'm heading off to bed now and probably won't be online until after day starts. I've yet to do a deep analysis of day 2, but overall feeling is good enough to proceed to day 3. In short - Kenya needs to die, Saudi A would be high on my suspect list. Mexico might be a neutral.

If Cyprus is scum, it would seem like he is the dominant player on the team, many people follow him. I hope some investigatives find something tonight on those that defended Greenland.


People I think are town so far:
England, Iran, Germany


Cyprus is very confident in his role, he might be the GF.. his post #370 was really strange to me since he named most of my suspects as his town. Which if he is scum, I would assume that he would only do that if he has a big team.


Keep an eye out for Englands feedback, he mentioned that someone unknown happened to him as well in post 294.

I hope to be more available to post day 3, but my schedule is keeping me busy and I dont have much time to read hundreds of posts and comment at the same time.

[Old FM Russia]

oh one more thing about these disguiser/vent codes:

I'm 100% against them, as they are an open invitation for mafia to send secret coded messages to themselves. Not to mention 80% of the codes on d1 were pure BS to solve.


I think you are very distinguishable as you are, it'll be very hard for someone to imitate you without someone noticing.

[Forum Mafia GM]

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