FM XXI: Day 2

[Forum Mafia GM]

FM XXI: Day 2

FM Australia was found dead this morning. His role was Consigliere.

FM Pakistan was found dead this morning. His role was Detective.



Roles List:

Living Players:

Graveyard:


Ragnar Lodbrok (Hidden Norseman)
Hidden Norseman
Hidden Norseman
Hidden Norseman
King Aelle (Hidden Anglo-Saxon)
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Anglo-Saxon
Hidden Non-Town
Hidden Non-Town
Hidden Non-Town
Hidden Non-Town
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any
Hidden Any

FM Argentina
FM Brazil
FM Canada
FM China
FM Colombia
FM Costa Rica
FM Cyprus
FM Egypt
FM England
FM Fiji
FM France
FM Germany
FM Greenland
FM India
FM Iran
FM Ireland
FM Italy
FM Japan
FM Kenya
FM Libya
FM Mexico
FM New Zealand
FM Norway
FM Poland
FM Russia
FM Saudi Arabia
FM South Korea
FM Spain
FM Sweden
FM Switzerland
FM Thailand
FM USA


FM Australia - Consigliere - Died Night 1
FM Pakistan - Detective - Died Night 1







Day 2 ends in 48 hours, at 6:00 PM PST, April 13 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=April+13%2C+2014%2C+6%3A00+PM+PST).

With 32 players alive, it takes 17

[Old FM Poland]

No death descriptions? I didn't see that one coming, but I guess it isn't mentioned in the setup that they will be provided.

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

Huh, well at least a mafian is dead. That's pretty lucky for N1 C: Sucks we lost the Detective though.

Nothing happened to me last night. The fact that there's two deaths makes me think that there's a killing EN so there's that. Other than that I can't glean that much from night, it'd probably be best to wait and see the others' feedback.

[Old FM Colombia]

So I was witched last night. I was also attacked and healed last night. Pretty eventful from my perspective, but I'm quite surprised that someone else wasn't targeted in place of me. You'd think that the lower profile players would be targeted due to protective roles going everywhere, but I guess that isn't the case here. Then again, either notification could easily be fake, so I'm not too worried about that.

It appears we still have at least 4 Mafia left, but the Consigliere death will do loads of good for us, considering the potential lack of investigative result for the Mafia. They can still potentially get SOMETHING, but it isn't as likely as it was before.

[Old FM Greenland]

Are roles not removed from the role list as they appear in the graveyard?

No last wills?

[Old FM Egypt]

I received no night message. As well I never made a Disguiser code because I thought the day was longer :D

Random vote

FM Greenland

[Old FM Greenland]

Huh, well at least a mafian is dead. That's pretty lucky for N1 C: Sucks we lost the Detective though.

Nothing happened to me last night. The fact that there's two deaths makes me think that there's a killing EN so there's that. Other than that I can't glean that much from night, it'd probably be best to wait and see the others' feedback.

How do you know it wasn't a mafia suit + night kill? Note the fact that there's no last will. Also death descriptions don't distinguish which is a mafia night kill.

[Old FM Colombia]

Oh, and my guiser code...

SCALING THE ETERNAL HELL

I'm pretty sure I did that right, but w/e.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Are roles not removed from the role list as they appear in the graveyard?

No last wills?

Roles are not removed from the roles list due to Any Randoms. Too big of a pain. Like sc2, compare roles list to graveyard lol.

There are last wills.

[Old FM Argentina]

Los Avengadores Assembelisimo!

Only two deaths last night was quite surprising. I expected more killing roles.

While I still find Libya scummy I had never intended to have him lynched yesterday. I was more interested in who would join the lynch and what reasons they'd give and who would defending him. Promoting serious discussion drawing relationships, Senorita Sweden, was what I was referring to when you asked me what I would like to accomplish yesterday.

Japan response time to his accuser is huge OMGUS. Especially on day 1.

FM Japan

[Old FM Greenland]

So I was witched last night. I was also attacked and healed last night. Pretty eventful from my perspective, but I'm quite surprised that someone else wasn't targeted in place of me. You'd think that the lower profile players would be targeted due to protective roles going everywhere, but I guess that isn't the case here. Then again, either notification could easily be fake, so I'm not too worried about that.

It appears we still have at least 4 Mafia left, but the Consigliere death will do loads of good for us, considering the potential lack of investigative result for the Mafia. They can still potentially get SOMETHING, but it isn't as likely as it was before.

Why are you making the same assumption as Saudi Arabia? Constant Vigilance!

But in the event that's truly a dead consig, praise the sun because that's as good a night as we would probably get.

[Old FM Canada]

I was role-blocked last night. Aside from that my night was uneventful.

[Old FM Greenland]

Oh and no feedback. My disguiser code resolves to "tisishrekthesheep"

FM Mexico

I'll return in greater force later today. It seems Queen Horny wants to celebrate Night 1 ;)

[Old FM China]

ǝɯ oʇ pǝuǝddɐɥ buıɥʇou

I'm gonna go back to day 1 trollorgy and see if I can find anything of use.

but for now fm japan

[Old FM Egypt]

Did Mafia know their allies during/before day 1?

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

How do you know it wasn't a mafia suit + night kill? Note the fact that there's no last will. Also death descriptions don't distinguish which is a mafia night kill.Ooh didn't think about that. But that's still two deaths, and mafia can only kill once, so that doesn't remove the fact that there's at least two killers out there, maybe 3 considering that Columbia was A&H'd.

Oh yeah, my disguiser code: I AM ALIVE AND MYSELF

[Forum Mafia GM]

Did Mafia know their allies during/before day 1?

Yes

[Old FM Canada]

FM Japan

I don't like his reaction to pressure from yesterday. It seemed way to harsh on defense and it wasn't a good defense either. His auto turning his defense into an offensive push against South Korea is not something I would see a town do unless they knew the person was Mafia and just happened to be pressured by them. Considering it was day 1, this is not possible.

[Old FM Poland]

I received no night message. As well I never made a Disguiser code because I thought the day was longer :D

Random vote

FM Greenland

Seriously you want to Random vote on day 2? And FM Greenland of all people?




Only two deaths last night was quite surprising. I expected more killing roles.

While I still find Libya scummy I had never intended to have him lynched yesterday. I was more interested in who would join the lynch and what reasons they'd give and who would defending him. Promoting serious discussion drawing relationships, Senorita Sweden, was what I was referring to when you asked me what I would like to accomplish yesterday.

Japan response time to his accuser is huge OMGUS. Especially on day 1.

FM Japan

I seem to be a little confused by this analysis, according to my model this behavior on day 1 is typical and part of the RVS. I hardly doubt it warrants the pressure you are providing over admitted more scummy players that FM Libya.

I would like to lead a wagon on FM Libya and get a role claim at the least who will join me?

FM Libya

[Old FM Egypt]

Seriously you want to Random vote on day 2? And FM Greenland of all people?


It's not actually random. However, yes Greenland of all people.

[Old FM Egypt]

Sometimes I say things that are not true. Also yea, Greenland.

[Old FM China]

Odd....

FM Australia made 1 post...

#310


Hey everyone, sorry to post so late, I had IRL issues but I'm here now.

Nobody else mentioned him at all in the entire thread.

[Old FM Poland]

It's not actually random. However, yes Greenland of all people.

Please elaborate on why?

[Old FM Egypt]

Please elaborate on why?

No. But he left after my vote. A Town leader not responding to an action like that? hmm.

[Old FM Kenya]

My code from yesterday:
message: whyiseveryonetrolling
encryption key: butrlytho
encrypted message: YCSAEDPMGAJHWFQITAKIA

I wouldn't get too excited about the consig death. I have a feeling that it was the work of a tailor. I have more to say, but I have to go for now. Bye.

[Old FM Italy]

Buonasera, everyone.

Nothing happened to me last night. At least, not that I was informed of.

The fact that I can't search up a list of Australia's posts vexes me greatly.

Also, I would not be surprised at all if Colombia had been the target of a Drug Dealer last night.

[Old FM China]

The fact that I can't search up a list of Australia's posts vexes me greatly.


Post 22?

[Old FM Colombia]

I'd think that it's a bit safer to assume that at least one of my notifications was real. I'm not sure why there would be two Drug Dealers (though it's perfectly possible, I guess), and why they would both target me in the first place. It just doesn't seem likely.

I'm thinking that Australia only made one post due to all of the trolling on Day 1, but I could be wrong. However, there are others that barely posted at all throughout the Day (i.e. Spain), and they were not mentioned either. The main idea of Austria being the prime suspect of this idea isn't really sound because of that, because there are multiple people with only 2 posts, so I'm not too worried about it.

As for suspicions, I haven't really found anything that's stood out to me other than Libya's mentioning of a potential Cult being first priority, which I've shown that I do not agree with that idea at all. The certainty of it existing doesn't really help either, but I digress.

All we can really do is wait for everyone else to post, so hopefully things will be a bit more productive and a little less trollish today.

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

Sometimes I say things that are not true. Also yea, Greenland.What do you mean by that, "Sometimes I say things that are not true,"?

[Old FM Egypt]

What do you mean by that, "Sometimes I say things that are not true,"?

I am very unsure how that statement could be more direct.

[Old FM Poland]

I notice the votes on FM Japan have changed. This makes a total of 9 votes so far. Working on a read, I got stuck here.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26828-FM-XXI-Day-1?p=435407&viewfull=1#post435407

Who was he talking to?

[Old FM South Korea]

I knew FM Australia was Consigliere because he's on my team. I killed him for Town cred.

Nah jk. No death description but I'm a vigilante. I have 35 charges so I'm gonna be putting down Mafias until I die. Mafia, if you're smart you'll kill me.

Lookout on me.

wifom

[Old FM Egypt]

Vigilante's have X charges, not 35. Liar.


Vigilante
Action: Target one player at night, killing them.
Limited to X uses.

[Old FM Egypt]

This Greenland train should really pick up some steam. I'm fairly confident we will all be pleased.

[Old FM Colombia]

I thought X referred to any amount of uses from 1 to infinity? I'm pretty sure that was already specified in the FAQ, but just to be safe...

Does X uses refer to an amount of uses between 1 and infinity, or is it something else?

[Old FM Egypt]

I thought X referred to any amount of uses from 1 to infinity? I'm pretty sure that was already specified in the FAQ, but just to be safe...

Does X uses refer to an amount of uses between 1 and infinity, or is it something else?

It's probably between 1 and infinite, most values are.

[Old FM Egypt]

Actually, most aren't. I'm a bastard.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does X uses refer to an amount of uses between 1 and infinity, or is it something else?

X can be any whole number > 0

[Old FM Egypt]

X can be any whole number > 0

Do Vigilante have a charge value unique to themselves?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Do Vigilante have a charge value unique to themselves?

Doesn't have to be unique. Could be the same, could be different.

[Old FM Egypt]

Anyway, i'm off to go gallivant. Try to lynch Greenland, I swear on my lack of night feedback that he is scum.

[Old FM Egypt]

Doesn't have to be unique. Could be the same, could be different.

Acceptable.

[Old FM South Korea]

Consider investing in an Algebra class.

I'm not going to participate in the lynch train against Japan. I consider myself confirmed Town so if he gets lynched, there is one more vote for me to look at.

BTW since I'm a Vigilante and can kill you, if you lurk, I'm considering you "good as dead" and putting you out of your misery. See: Australia. Don't lurk.

FM Greenland

[Old FM Poland]

I notice the votes on FM Japan have changed. This makes a total of 9 votes so far. Working on a read, I got stuck here.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26828-FM-XXI-Day-1?p=435407&viewfull=1#post435407

Who was he talking to?

Actually, I'm confident this is what he was responding to this.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26828-FM-XXI-Day-1?p=435405&viewfull=1#post435405

I will join the Japan train.

FM Japan

[Old FM South Korea]

I still stand by the "No Last Will" thing. I say everything I want to say in day chat, not really afraid of dying.

Live by the gun, die by the gun.

I read Japan more as neutral than Mafia because of the lack of people defending him/posting without voting him. So, kill Greenland as per Egypt's request and I'll handle Japan tonight.

[Old FM Argentina]

Anyway, i'm off to go gallivant. Try to lynch Greenland, I swear on my lack of night feedback that he is scum.

An interesting gambit I'll give you that, but I don't like to switch my lynch without good reason. I want my vote to have power because I'm not wishywashy about it. I won't let Japan just wait for people to get distracted from his train, he will respond to it.

[Old FM South Korea]

Upon further analysis, Greenland and Mexico are Town.

FM Switzerland

[Old FM Argentina]

Oh yes, and my disguiser code:


D U W KVU VID U T E
643216842 248163264
S t e ven Rog e r s

[Old FM South Korea]

I'm gonna be out for at least 20 hours. Spring Break's begun for me and I'm gonna spend time with famiry.

Yesterday's code: BTHATM (right?)
Translation: BeasT HyunA Trouble Maker

Special Code: r

I will not solve the special code. If I solve the special code, I've been disguised/vented/replaced.

[Old FM Colombia]

While the idea that Greenland suddenly left after somebody voted for him is awkward, I must admit that the idea behind the vote is a bit absurd. A random vote turning into a lynch train isn't really anything that should be our lead for the day, considering there are still people that need to post (and a lot, at that). I don't see the value in that train.

Based on the Day 1 statistics, here's what we have in terms of posting...

FM Libya: 24
FM New Zealand: 24
FM Greenland: 24
FM South Korea: 18
FM Colombia: 16
FM France: 16
FM Mexico: 15
FM Japan: 15
FM Cyprus: 15
FM Sweden: 12
FM Thailand: 11
FM Argentina: 11
FM Norway: 10
FM Pakistan: 9
FM Ireland: 9
FM Canada: 9
FM China: 9
FM Italy: 8
FM Kenya: 8
FM Poland: 7
FM Germany: 5
FM England: 5
FM USA: 5
FM Saudi Arabia: 3
FM Iran: 2
FM Spain: 1
FM Costa Rica: 1
FM Egypt: 1
FM Australia: 1
FM Switzerland: 1

Based on this, voting for Greenland based on activity is completely ridiculous, as he was one of the three most active people during Day 1. Granted, a lot of the Day 1 posts were trolling anyway, but I don't see the worth in voting for him, even if he did leave after a random vote. On the topic of a random vote, it's essentially the same kind of thing I'm seeing as what happened on Day 1; votes are going to get thrown around, and there aren't going to be responses to those votes. Now, that's beside the point I'm trying to get at. If we're going to vote based on activity, then we should either be voting for either Switzerland, Costa Rica, Spain, Iran, or USA (I'm leaving Egypt and Saudi Arabia out of this because they are actively posting right now).

Now, the role blocking last night is a decent development, but yet again, it could easily be a Drug Dealer. Though, it's doubtful, as that is an easy idea to see through, considering the notification would be fake. I don't see it happening in this case. If either of my notifications are fake, then I'd have to go with the Attacked and Healed notification over the Witched notification; as you can all see, I brought a bit of a profile to myself during the first day, and unless I brought a major suspicion onto somebody -- enough for them to have the urge to attack me on Night 1, where everything will tend to dissolve anyway (though I'm not seeing any dissolving of Day 1 ideas, which isn't entirely a bad thing, but not entirely a good thing either, the way I see it) -- there really wouldn't be any way for that to be possible. Granted, a Doctor being on me may be a better chance of a killer being on me, but both at once seems a bit far fetched. Now, the problem with the Witched notification (if it isn't faked) is finding out who exactly I visited. Granted, it isn't going to be any problem right now, but it'd be a nice little tidbit for later on. If both notifications are real, then we're looking at some sort of killing neutral (possibly Mass Murderer, due to the potential of the Witched notification being real) and a Witch, which brings our scum count up to 5 as a guarantee, and based on the win condition of the roles, we could see a joint effort with the Mafia, which is never good for us.

Onto South Korea's Vigilante claim...there really isn't any reason to believe it, but there isn't any reason not to believe it either. If they claim to have shot a scum Night 1 due to activity, then I guess we'll take it for what it's worth. There's a very low chance that their target was also suited on the same night, so I'm willing to believe that Australia is actually scum, and not some other role, which is a great head start for us, since a one for one trade is good for us no matter what, even if we did lose a Detective in the process. I'm willing to go more to the positive side for South Korea right now, as it will give us a bit of an idea of what all we can base our daytime strategy off of today.

However, I'm not going to follow either lynch train; I'm going to go with the players who have seemed to be lurking a bit more as a pressure vote to get them to post more proactively.

FM Spain

No other real reason for the vote besides inactivity.

Upon looking at the conversation that has occurred while I made this post, it seems that Switzerland is also under pressure for activity. It'll be good for us to get them to start posting more, though it may also prove to be a bit of a challenge at the same time. We can't really force people to be active other than lynch, and if that ends up happening, we may as well just lynch them anyway.

[Old FM Argentina]

I support a lynch train on lurkers and Spain is as fine a target as anyone. I actively encourage people to join one of our two trains.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Something happened to me last night. Should I reveal it?

Libya role claim then lynch Japan agreed.
lets start with
FM Libya

[Old FM Cyprus]

I wouldn't get too excited about the consig death. I have a feeling that it was the work of a tailor. I have more to say, but I have to go for now. Bye.

Since Australia was active lurking, I doubt that it would be tailored. Why would scum kill lurkers?

[Old FM Cyprus]

Also, I would not be surprised at all if Colombia had been the target of a Drug Dealer last night.

Reason being?

[Old FM Italy]

Reason being?

Because Colombia is famous for its drug cartels? Since the 1970's, Colombia has been home to some of the most violent and sophisticated drug trafficking organizations in the world.

I'm just sayin', if I were a Drug Dealer and Colombia were not on the mafia with me, I would totally choose him as my first target because "lulz Colombia and drugs"

[Old FM Cyprus]

Columbia was attacked seemed plausible. However, I'm not too sure about the witched part.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Because Colombia is famous for its drug cartels? Since the 1970's, Colombia has been home to some of the most violent and sophisticated drug trafficking organizations in the world.

I'm just sayin', if I were a Drug Dealer and Colombia were not on the mafia with me, I would totally choose him as my first target because "lulz Colombia and drugs"
Good game. We won.

[Old FM Colombia]

I guess either could be possible due to the fact that the way I played yesterday had the potential of attracting all sorts of different roles to me, and all three roles that are potentially confirmed or nor based on the legitimacy of the notifications are plausible that would have targeted me. Killing neutral due to either me being witched or me causing a suspicion on someone (which I don't think is the case in this scenario; there wasn't really anybody who I had a major suspicion toward during Day 1), or perhaps because I was witched...and then the Doctor saving me. The Witch links everything to Mass Murderer, but at the same time, the two notifications could be completely unrelated in that manner. There's really no way to tell for sure right now, I guess.

[Old FM Italy]

Good game. We won.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean.

[Old FM Kenya]

I'd rather let the host worry about dealing with lurkers, myself. After all, it's against the rules not to post during the day, so lurkers will be replaced/modkilled.

Not to mention the fact that with blackmailers/ventriloquists possible in the game, lurking could just be a temporary thing on account of being targeted by one of those roles (though obviously that doesn't apply to yesterday's lurkers). Either way, I say we let the host deal with it.

Does no one have any thoughts on my theory that the consigliere death was the work of a tailor?

[Old FM Cyprus]

Since Australia was active lurking, I doubt that it would be tailored. Why would scum kill lurkers?

Dear Kenya, what about mine?

[Old FM Italy]

Does no one have any thoughts on my theory that the consigliere death was the work of a tailor?

While possible, it would as Cyprus said beg the question of why the mafia would choose to tailor and kill Australia of all people on night one, when he was one of the least active people in the game. You'd think they'd go for someone who poses a greater day threat to them.

[Old FM Kenya]

Dear Kenya, what about mine?


While possible, it would as Cyprus said beg the question of why the mafia would choose to tailor and kill Australia of all people on night one, when he was one of the least active people in the game. You'd think they'd go for someone who poses a greater day threat to them.

Ah, I'd missed that, Cypress. Good point. I wouldn't completely rule it out, though- it's possible that Australia wasn't their intended target. Perhaps a bus driver swapped Australia with whoever the mafia intended to kill. Not saying that this is what actually happened, but it is a possibility.

[Old FM Cyprus]

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean.

It's a lazy way to choose night targets. Furthermore, in my opinion, there are better drugs than roleblock.

[Old FM Italy]

It's a lazy way to choose night targets. Furthermore, in my opinion, there are better drugs than roleblock.

Well hey, I never said I wasn't lazy.

Also, IIRC, Colombia claimed Attacked, Healed, and Witched, not roleblocked.

[Old FM Cyprus]

I've earned enough town points for now. I won't be lynched anytime soon. Back to body building.

[Old FM Colombia]

Canada claimed role blocked. That and my claims are the only things that have been revealed so far.

Cyprus, in no way have you "earned enough Town points" to just go inactive like this. You can't expect to just leave and be completely fine, which really worries me that you're just too lazy to do anything else. Along with that, all of your posts have pretty much been responses to other people, and of the most basic quality. Providing nothing but opinions and not having any kind of suspicion coming out of nowhere seems a bit too conservative from my perspective.

FM Cyprus

I'll go back to an inactive depending how the activity changes today, but I want an explanation for this.

[Old FM Colombia]

Oh, and the same goes for everyone else who ended up going inactive for no reason. I'm not really worried about Greenland, and I'm kind of in the middle about Egypt. It's Cyprus that really caught my eye with this.

[Old FM China]

˙ʞɟɐ uɐɔ ı ʇɐɥʇ pǝɹɔ ɥbnouǝ ǝʌɐɥ oʇ ɯǝǝs ı 'ʞo

[Old FM China]

¿ʍou ʇɐɥʍ 'snɹdʎɔ ɐ buıןןnd ɯ,ı 'ɐıqɯnןoɔ sǝʎ

[Old FM Spain]

China, could you please stop typing upside down?

South Korea seems a bit odd to me. They were joking around a bit already, and it feels as though their Vigilante claim isn't true. They could be trolling, though they could be scum. They seem to be starting things then disappearing and letting others continue them. Hopefully if they're being serious about their claim they can tell us if they did anything past night, and if so, what.

Greenland's lack of response to the vote against him is a bit suspicious. However poor the reasoning behind a vote is, he should still address it instead of ignoring it. Especially since he disappeared soon after.

Cyprus' statement about "earning enough town points" is odd. It's as though he's making sure he seems town enough before leaving. If he were actually town, why would he need to say that, and why would be need to have "town points"? It doesn't seem like a town thing to say.

@Columbia: I only posted twice yesterday because the beginning of the day was trolling, then I had to sleep then go to school, and by the time I was able to post day was almost over. I didn't have any desire to engage in the trolling yesterday.

[Old FM Russia]

Good morning from The Mother Land! I was indisposed yesterday and wasn't able to get to a computer before the day ended, won't happen again. Now down to business, here are the claims so far:

Weak vig claim:
South Korea

Attacked:
Australia n1
Pakistan n1
Colombia (healed) n1

Something Unknown:
Cyprus n1

Witched:
Colombia n1

RoleBlocked:
Canada n1

Claimed that nothing happened:
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Greenland
China
Italy


KPN appears to be 3 so far, unless Colombia was drugged - which I think is more probable than a Doctor getting a lucky heal n1 on Colombia, I don't think he stood out enough for that to happen. So, I'll assume KPN is 2+ for now, later and tomorrow should clear it up a bit.

Roleblock is either real of a lie - if mafia sent a DD to drug a roleblock then the mafia is retarded and this game will be easy, kinda hard to fake a roleblock if someone still gets their role feedback if they get any.

A witch being in the game is very possible - so I won't doubt that claim for now.

I've only skimmed through d1 spam that you guys are soo good at doing, I should probably go look at it some more since it was a possible lynch day and I'm sure there was some info to be gained.

[Old FM China]

China, could you please stop typing upside down?


Yes I could.

ɯʇɐ ɥɔnɯ ooʇ ʇı ʎoظuǝ ı ʇnq

[Old FM South Korea]

FM Spain

That post was an incredibly weak "I'm not scum" scum post. Lynch him today.

[Old FM South Korea]

I'm just kidding about being Vigilante btw. I always wanted to fake claim that for attention. Clearly not gonna work since there's no death description and I feel like some people might go like "omg SK claimed to be Vigilante but wat if hes killing ppl as mafia??"

[Old FM South Korea]

I'm gonna go now. Nothing happened to me last night.

[Old FM South Korea]

China, could you please stop typing upside down?

South Korea seems a bit odd to me. They were joking around a bit already, and it feels as though their Vigilante claim isn't true. They could be trolling, though they could be scum. They seem to be starting things then disappearing and letting others continue them. Hopefully if they're being serious about their claim they can tell us if they did anything past night, and if so, what.

Greenland's lack of response to the vote against him is a bit suspicious. However poor the reasoning behind a vote is, he should still address it instead of ignoring it. Especially since he disappeared soon after.

Cyprus' statement about "earning enough town points" is odd. It's as though he's making sure he seems town enough before leaving. If he were actually town, why would he need to say that, and why would be need to have "town points"? It doesn't seem like a town thing to say.

@Columbia: I only posted twice yesterday because the beginning of the day was trolling, then I had to sleep then go to school, and by the time I was able to post day was almost over. I didn't have any desire to engage in the trolling yesterday.

Too unaggressive of a post to be Town. The ambivalence is too damn high. Also note he pulled the same shit Australia pulled by saying some shit about real life.

[Old FM Poland]

My thoughts at this moment.


So I was witched last night. I was also attacked and healed last night. Pretty eventful from my perspective, but I'm quite surprised that someone else wasn't targeted in place of me. You'd think that the lower profile players would be targeted due to protective roles going everywhere, but I guess that isn't the case here. Then again, either notification could easily be fake, so I'm not too worried about that.

It appears we still have at least 4 Mafia left, but the Consigliere death will do loads of good for us, considering the potential lack of investigative result for the Mafia. They can still potentially get SOMETHING, but it isn't as likely as it was before.

I'm going to assume that you were attacked and healed at the least, the witching is harder to gauge without further input, but I completely agree with Argentina in saying.



Only two deaths last night was quite surprising. I expected more killing roles.


Along this line I have to make my suspicions known, if we assume it to be true that Colombia was attacked and healed, that leaves 3 KPN, which to be honest is what I was anticipating given the magnitude of the game, but then South Korea had to throw out this.


I knew FM Australia was Consigliere because he's on my team. I killed him for Town cred.

Nah jk. No death description but I'm a vigilante. I have 35 charges so I'm gonna be putting down Mafias until I die. Mafia, if you're smart you'll kill me.


This claim of being Vigilante, that reduces the KPN back to 2 even under the assumption that Colombia was healed. This couple with the quite blatant "soft claim" on day 1 leads me to believe that South Korea is by no means vigilante. Which brings the question, why lie about killing Australia? I'll just leave that here for South Korea to answer.

Second matter I'd like to discuss is the matter of the disguiser codes. I'm going to be quite frank and say I haven't gone back and double checked the codes, but I'd like to point out 2 reveals that seem odd to me.


Oh yes, and my disguiser code:


D U W KVU VID U T E
643216842 248163264
S t e ven Rog e r s


I'm gonna be out for at least 20 hours. Spring Break's begun for me and I'm gonna spend time with famiry.

Yesterday's code: BTHATM (right?)
Translation: BeasT HyunA Trouble Maker

Special Code: r

I will not solve the special code. If I solve the special code, I've been disguised/vented/replaced.

If these truly are your codes they are severely lacking, the point of codes is to provide both a message and a key that make sense in context, while the message is clear, the key appears to be an arbitrary series.

As for the special code, surely you didn't think it would go unnoticed how the pointless including that special code was unless of course you are trying to communicate with someone secretly. I will assume this be the case and pose the question what form of communication did you have last night? I ask and in fact urge that you provide no other details other than the nature of the night communication.


Something happened to me last night. Should I reveal it?

Libya role claim then lynch Japan agreed.
lets start with
FM Libya

It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to reveal your feedback, the fact that you are asking doesn't really sit right with me TBH.


Good morning from The Mother Land! I was indisposed yesterday and wasn't able to get to a computer before the day ended, won't happen again. Now down to business, here are the claims so far:


Aw, no Soviet Russia jokes? That is mildly disappointing.

[Old FM Poland]

Oh I forgot my vote. I'm placing a vote on FM Cyprus, for reasons already mentioned by others as well as the reasons noted in my post above.

FM Cyprus

[Old FM Greenland]

I guess I need to be more obvious next time about not being around due to real life commitments, since apparently it wasn't obvious enough with my RP statement about Queen Horny.


I received no night message. As well I never made a Disguiser code because I thought the day was longer :D

Random vote

FM Greenland

Sorry I didn't feed into your ego, but you didn't post jack shit D1. I'm interested in posting and texts right now, random votes not so much.


My code from yesterday:
message: whyiseveryonetrolling
encryption key: butrlytho
encrypted message: YCSAEDPMGAJHWFQITAKIA

I wouldn't get too excited about the consig death. I have a feeling that it was the work of a tailor. I have more to say, but I have to go for now. Bye.

I had a sneaking suspicion of this as well, but Columbia was fairly convincing about it being a true flip.


I'd think that it's a bit safer to assume that at least one of my notifications was real. I'm not sure why there would be two Drug Dealers (though it's perfectly possible, I guess), and why they would both target me in the first place. It just doesn't seem likely.

I'm thinking that Australia only made one post due to all of the trolling on Day 1, but I could be wrong. However, there are others that barely posted at all throughout the Day (i.e. Spain), and they were not mentioned either. The main idea of Austria being the prime suspect of this idea isn't really sound because of that, because there are multiple people with only 2 posts, so I'm not too worried about it.

As for suspicions, I haven't really found anything that's stood out to me other than Libya's mentioning of a potential Cult being first priority, which I've shown that I do not agree with that idea at all. The certainty of it existing doesn't really help either, but I digress.

All we can really do is wait for everyone else to post, so hopefully things will be a bit more productive and a little less trollish today.

I find it incredibly hard to imagine 2 fake feedbacks being given to a single player (better ways to use drug dealing).


Vigilante's have X charges, not 35. Liar.

Host stated the 'X' is an actual number in role cards. X for vigilante's is definitely less than 6.


Upon further analysis, Greenland and Mexico are Town.

FM Switzerland

FM Switzerland

1) Mexico isn't here yet (48hr days are pretty short for >30 people)
2) The sheep of Greenland like Kpop
3) Switzerland could due with twice the pressure


While the idea that Greenland suddenly left after somebody voted for him is awkward, I must admit that the idea behind the vote is a bit absurd. A random vote turning into a lynch train isn't really anything that should be our lead for the day, considering there are still people that need to post (and a lot, at that). I don't see the value in that train.

Based on the Day 1 statistics, here's what we have in terms of posting...

FM Libya: 24
FM New Zealand: 24
FM Greenland: 24
FM South Korea: 18
FM Colombia: 16
FM France: 16
FM Mexico: 15
FM Japan: 15
FM Cyprus: 15
FM Sweden: 12
FM Thailand: 11
FM Argentina: 11
FM Norway: 10
FM Pakistan: 9
FM Ireland: 9
FM Canada: 9
FM China: 9
FM Italy: 8
FM Kenya: 8
FM Poland: 7
FM Germany: 5
FM England: 5
FM USA: 5
FM Saudi Arabia: 3
FM Iran: 2
FM Spain: 1
FM Costa Rica: 1
FM Egypt: 1
FM Australia: 1
FM Switzerland: 1

Based on this, voting for Greenland based on activity is completely ridiculous, as he was one of the three most active people during Day 1. Granted, a lot of the Day 1 posts were trolling anyway, but I don't see the worth in voting for him, even if he did leave after a random vote. On the topic of a random vote, it's essentially the same kind of thing I'm seeing as what happened on Day 1; votes are going to get thrown around, and there aren't going to be responses to those votes. Now, that's beside the point I'm trying to get at. If we're going to vote based on activity, then we should either be voting for either Switzerland, Costa Rica, Spain, Iran, or USA (I'm leaving Egypt and Saudi Arabia out of this because they are actively posting right now).

Now, the role blocking last night is a decent development, but yet again, it could easily be a Drug Dealer. Though, it's doubtful, as that is an easy idea to see through, considering the notification would be fake. I don't see it happening in this case. If either of my notifications are fake, then I'd have to go with the Attacked and Healed notification over the Witched notification; as you can all see, I brought a bit of a profile to myself during the first day, and unless I brought a major suspicion onto somebody -- enough for them to have the urge to attack me on Night 1, where everything will tend to dissolve anyway (though I'm not seeing any dissolving of Day 1 ideas, which isn't entirely a bad thing, but not entirely a good thing either, the way I see it) -- there really wouldn't be any way for that to be possible. Granted, a Doctor being on me may be a better chance of a killer being on me, but both at once seems a bit far fetched. Now, the problem with the Witched notification (if it isn't faked) is finding out who exactly I visited. Granted, it isn't going to be any problem right now, but it'd be a nice little tidbit for later on. If both notifications are real, then we're looking at some sort of killing neutral (possibly Mass Murderer, due to the potential of the Witched notification being real) and a Witch, which brings our scum count up to 5 as a guarantee, and based on the win condition of the roles, we could see a joint effort with the Mafia, which is never good for us.

Onto South Korea's Vigilante claim...there really isn't any reason to believe it, but there isn't any reason not to believe it either. If they claim to have shot a scum Night 1 due to activity, then I guess we'll take it for what it's worth. There's a very low chance that their target was also suited on the same night, so I'm willing to believe that Australia is actually scum, and not some other role, which is a great head start for us, since a one for one trade is good for us no matter what, even if we did lose a Detective in the process. I'm willing to go more to the positive side for South Korea right now, as it will give us a bit of an idea of what all we can base our daytime strategy off of today.

However, I'm not going to follow either lynch train; I'm going to go with the players who have seemed to be lurking a bit more as a pressure vote to get them to post more proactively.

FM Spain

No other real reason for the vote besides inactivity.

Upon looking at the conversation that has occurred while I made this post, it seems that Switzerland is also under pressure for activity. It'll be good for us to get them to start posting more, though it may also prove to be a bit of a challenge at the same time. We can't really force people to be active other than lynch, and if that ends up happening, we may as well just lynch them anyway.

I like the post counts, and also interesting how Australia only had 1 post. Lots of scrutiny for those with 1 day1 post, especially if it didn't have much substance.


Something happened to me last night. Should I reveal it?

Libya role claim then lynch Japan agreed.
lets start with
FM Libya

Depends, is it relevant to your vote?


I'd rather let the host worry about dealing with lurkers, myself. After all, it's against the rules not to post during the day, so lurkers will be replaced/modkilled.

Not to mention the fact that with blackmailers/ventriloquists possible in the game, lurking could just be a temporary thing on account of being targeted by one of those roles (though obviously that doesn't apply to yesterday's lurkers). Either way, I say we let the host deal with it.

Does no one have any thoughts on my theory that the consigliere death was the work of a tailor?

/my theory in case you didn't read my posts


While possible, it would as Cyprus said beg the question of why the mafia would choose to tailor and kill Australia of all people on night one, when he was one of the least active people in the game. You'd think they'd go for someone who poses a greater day threat to them.

What if it was a neutral killer like serial killer and they were trying to avoid drawing attention while dwindling game numbers (didn't want to hit a watcher target)?


Canada claimed role blocked. That and my claims are the only things that have been revealed so far.

Cyprus, in no way have you "earned enough Town points" to just go inactive like this. You can't expect to just leave and be completely fine, which really worries me that you're just too lazy to do anything else. Along with that, all of your posts have pretty much been responses to other people, and of the most basic quality. Providing nothing but opinions and not having any kind of suspicion coming out of nowhere seems a bit too conservative from my perspective.

FM Cyprus

I'll go back to an inactive depending how the activity changes today, but I want an explanation for this.

I ask you not to go inactive, because your posts since the drug lords were put down have been consistently net positive


China, could you please stop typing upside down?

South Korea seems a bit odd to me. They were joking around a bit already, and it feels as though their Vigilante claim isn't true. They could be trolling, though they could be scum. They seem to be starting things then disappearing and letting others continue them. Hopefully if they're being serious about their claim they can tell us if they did anything past night, and if so, what.

Greenland's lack of response to the vote against him is a bit suspicious. However poor the reasoning behind a vote is, he should still address it instead of ignoring it. Especially since he disappeared soon after.

Cyprus' statement about "earning enough town points" is odd. It's as though he's making sure he seems town enough before leaving. If he were actually town, why would he need to say that, and why would be need to have "town points"? It doesn't seem like a town thing to say.

@Columbia: I only posted twice yesterday because the beginning of the day was trolling, then I had to sleep then go to school, and by the time I was able to post day was almost over. I didn't have any desire to engage in the trolling yesterday.

What about Day 1? Did you read the entire D1 thread?


Good morning from The Mother Land! I was indisposed yesterday and wasn't able to get to a computer before the day ended, won't happen again. Now down to business, here are the claims so far:

Weak vig claim:
South Korea

Attacked:
Australia n1
Pakistan n1
Colombia (healed) n1

Something Unknown:
Cyprus n1

Witched:
Colombia n1

RoleBlocked:
Canada n1

Claimed that nothing happened:
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Greenland
China
Italy


KPN appears to be 3 so far, unless Colombia was drugged - which I think is more probable than a Doctor getting a lucky heal n1 on Colombia, I don't think he stood out enough for that to happen. So, I'll assume KPN is 2+ for now, later and tomorrow should clear it up a bit.

Roleblock is either real of a lie - if mafia sent a DD to drug a roleblock then the mafia is retarded and this game will be easy, kinda hard to fake a roleblock if someone still gets their role feedback if they get any.

A witch being in the game is very possible - so I won't doubt that claim for now.

I've only skimmed through d1 spam that you guys are soo good at doing, I should probably go look at it some more since it was a possible lynch day and I'm sure there was some info to be gained.

Honestly I'm surprised no one has claimed doused although most players haven't checked in yet. Thanks for the summary of feedback though


FM Spain

That post was an incredibly weak "I'm not scum" scum post. Lynch him today.

FM Spain

Have you forgotten? I'm a big fluffy sheep!


I'm just kidding about being Vigilante btw. I always wanted to fake claim that for attention. Clearly not gonna work since there's no death description and I feel like some people might go like "omg SK claimed to be Vigilante but wat if hes killing ppl as mafia??"

Fyi I found your claim being fake pretty obvious due to your playing style D1, you're not going to garner many reactions if you only give it like 6 hours and like 8 unique players' posts.


Too unaggressive of a post to be Town. The ambivalence is too damn high. Also note he pulled the same shit Australia pulled by saying some shit about real life.

I consider it really uncool to use real life as an excuse. Yes this is a game about lying, but there are standards.

@Colombia

Careful, because you soft claimed that you have a night action when you state "I was witched may be interesting if I figure out where I was witched to." Not sure of on accident or on purpose

In retrospect this was a lot for one post.

[Old FM Greenland]

FM Greenland (1 [L-16]):
FM Egypt
FM Japan (3 [L-14]):
FM Argentina, FM China, FM Canada
FM Switzerland (1 [L-16]):
FM Greenland
FM Cyprus (2 [L-15]):
FM Poland, FM Colombia
FM Spain (1 [L-16]):
FM South Korea
FM Libya (1 [L-16]):
FM Cyprus


I apologize if that previous post was fucking huge, I'm going to cool it with quotes after seeing how much space that post took up

[Old FM Poland]

@Greenland
I feel its better not publicize soft claims, in the hopes the information won't fall into wrong hands.

[Old FM Greenland]

@Greenland
I feel its better not publicize soft claims, in the hopes the information won't fall into wrong hands.

I find the opposite when they're fairly obvious considering the size of this game, because there's a fairly good chance there's at least 1 scum that catches it and that means the entire scumteam knows comes night.

But I could be wrong on that, I just normally don't catch them and so thought that one was pretty obvious

[Old FM Libya]

I'm just swinging by here to check in and check out how you guys are doing. Firstly, I will not reveal my role, so Cyprus can stop his shit. I'll post more later... have stuff to do at the moment.

[Old FM Greenland]

You know what's a good movie? Blackmail (1929).

Poor Alice though. I don't personally empathize with her, but I was wondering, does anyone else have strong opinions on the movie?

[Old FM Italy]

I guess I need to be more obvious next time about not being around due to real life commitments


I consider it really uncool to use real life as an excuse.

^I lol'd at this part.


What if it was a neutral killer like serial killer and they were trying to avoid drawing attention while dwindling game numbers (didn't want to hit a watcher target)?

The question I was addressing was about whether or not Australia was tailored. If Australia was the neut kill, then the question is is it likely that the maf happened to tailor a town lurker as scum on the same night the neutral killer hit it? Or was Australia just a lurky scum that got randomly hit by the neut? The second is more likely by far, although the first is still a possibility, however small.

[Old FM Libya]

BTW.. There were two deaths last night... and since one was Mafia and one was Town.. We have to conclude that somebody who isn't here right now was either poisoned, or somebody was doused (can't look at the setup right now but assuming that the target doesn't know he's doused). Others are Mafia, Cult, and Neutral Benigns. Therefore, the Cult might be stronger than expected and so the Town must now make a serious effort to chase the Cult. If there was another Cultist starting off, then it's 3 by now.

But, I might be wrong at the same time. To my knowledge, the cult can only recruit when they have a Cult leader. They might not have one, but very unlikely. Trust me. Again, emphasizing the fact that the Cult is our first priority. The targets we're pressuring right now... might just be sucky Town (referring to Japan). If we make a mislynch, we're going to be at a disadvantage much faster, but slower than I expected because there's only one SK kill at this point.

Keep that in mind while I'm away for an hour or so.

[Old FM Russia]

The question I was addressing was about whether or not Australia was tailored. If Australia was the neut kill, then the question is is it likely that the maf happened to tailor a town lurker as scum on the same night the neutral killer hit it? Or was Australia just a lurky scum that got randomly hit by the neut? The second is more likely by far, although the first is still a possibility, however small.

And how do you know that mafia hit Pakistan? Why couldn't it be the other way around? Neutral killer killed Pakistan and mafia tailored and killed Australia.

Probably because you know who your own team killed.

FM Italy

[Old FM Italy]

And how do you know that mafia hit Pakistan? Why couldn't it be the other way around? Neutral killer killed Pakistan and mafia tailored and killed Australia.

Probably because you know who your own team killed.

FM Italy

Now come on, dude, learn context. That time I was addressing Greenland's hypothesis of a neutral killer killing Australia. Notice how I said "If Australia was the neut kill." "If." It makes no sense to talk about Australia being killed by mafia when talking about a hypothetical situation in which Australia was killed by a neutral.

[Old FM Sweden]

Good evening. I don't have any feedback to report so this is just a hello world post.


Good morning from The Mother Land! I was indisposed yesterday and wasn't able to get to a computer before the day ended, won't happen again. Now down to business, here are the claims so far:

Weak vig claim:
South Korea

Attacked:
Australia n1
Pakistan n1
Colombia (healed) n1

Something Unknown:
Cyprus n1

Witched:
Colombia n1

RoleBlocked:
Canada n1

Claimed that nothing happened:
Saudi Arabia
Egypt
Greenland
China
Italy


KPN appears to be 3 so far, unless Colombia was drugged - which I think is more probable than a Doctor getting a lucky heal n1 on Colombia, I don't think he stood out enough for that to happen. So, I'll assume KPN is 2+ for now, later and tomorrow should clear it up a bit.

Roleblock is either real of a lie - if mafia sent a DD to drug a roleblock then the mafia is retarded and this game will be easy, kinda hard to fake a roleblock if someone still gets their role feedback if they get any.

A witch being in the game is very possible - so I won't doubt that claim for now.

I've only skimmed through d1 spam that you guys are soo good at doing, I should probably go look at it some more since it was a possible lynch day and I'm sure there was some info to be gained.

I'm confused. If you skim'd day one how do you know its spam? Why did you feel the need to say you skim'd day one and then state that you need to go look at it again because you haven't read it yet?
I don't like people who post lists of information because that typically is a scum trait, as shown in the previous few FMs like FM 16.

[Old FM Russia]

I find that you are trying to hard to dismiss the idea of the tailor while we have no information to support that argument.

[Old FM Russia]

Good evening. I don't have any feedback to report so this is just a hello world post.



I'm confused. If you skim'd day one how do you know its spam? Why did you feel the need to say you skim'd day one and then state that you need to go look at it again because you haven't read it yet?
I don't like people who post lists of information because that typically is a scum trait, as shown in the previous few FMs like FM 16.

About 80% of day 1 is spam.. the last few pages actually have some posts of value.

[Old FM Kenya]

Too unaggressive of a post to be Town. The ambivalence is too damn high. Also note he pulled the same shit Australia pulled by saying some shit about real life.

I agree. That post by Spain is quite scummy.


You know what's a good movie? Blackmail (1929).

Poor Alice though. I don't personally empathize with her, but I was wondering, does anyone else have strong opinions on the movie?

Never seen it. What's it about?

[Old FM Sweden]

About 80% of day 1 is spam.. the last few pages actually have some posts of value.

Nope.. I can state very confidently that the day one chat is not even close to 80% spam.
Useful things were revealed day one. You have to read day chats to get them.

[Old FM Italy]

I find that you are trying to hard to dismiss the idea of the tailor while we have no information to support that argument.

I'm not trying hard to dismiss the idea of a tailor. A tailor is quite possible in this game. I'm merely stating two things: 1. I don't understand why Mafia would target a hardcore lurker like Australia to tailor/kill; 2. If Australia was killed by a neutral killer, then it's unlikely that Australia was also tailored.

[Old FM Fiji]

Bula! As we say in Fiji! I apologize immensely for missing out on Day 1 action. It is I, the Figian Babe Viking!

I have received no night feedback, and so I have nothing to contribute but speculation. If it would help others, I will speculate. If speculation does not help others, then I will keep my mouth closed.

They say that a closed mouth don't get fed.

[Old FM Greenland]

^I lol'd at this part.



The question I was addressing was about whether or not Australia was tailored. If Australia was the neut kill, then the question is is it likely that the maf happened to tailor a town lurker as scum on the same night the neutral killer hit it? Or was Australia just a lurky scum that got randomly hit by the neut? The second is more likely by far, although the first is still a possibility, however small.

I meant as in lying about real life as an excuse, not don't say if you have real life issues that affect your ability to play/be around.

What about verses if the mafia killed and suited a player? There's the possibility they did it to a lurker simply because it's more believable to be a neutral hit. That's the reasoning we've made so far and it's pretty obvious reasoning so I would call it predictable. To be honest though consigliere is a relatively odd mafia role to suit as of all the possible mafia roles, right? I don't really see a good reason to suit as consigliere as all roles, unless they have a consigliere and want us to think they don't anymore (or they want us to think that WIFOM)?

[Old FM Greenland]

Good evening. I don't have any feedback to report so this is just a hello world post.



I'm confused. If you skim'd day one how do you know its spam? Why did you feel the need to say you skim'd day one and then state that you need to go look at it again because you haven't read it yet?
I don't like people who post lists of information because that typically is a scum trait, as shown in the previous few FMs like FM 16.

And FM XIX


About 80% of day 1 is spam.. the last few pages actually have some posts of value.

On the contrary, there's a decent number of gold nuggets throughout the day.


I agree. That post by Spain is quite scummy.



Never seen it. What's it about?

So why not vote?

Not important, right now I'm just concerned about whether anyone else has strong feelings about it.


Bula! As we say in Fiji! I apologize immensely for missing out on Day 1 action. It is I, the Figian Babe Viking!

I have received no night feedback, and so I have nothing to contribute but speculation. If it would help others, I will speculate. If speculation does not help others, then I will keep my mouth closed.

They say that a closed mouth don't get fed.

The important question is, have you read D1 yet?

[Old FM Russia]

I'm not trying hard to dismiss the idea of a tailor. A tailor is quite possible in this game. I'm merely stating two things: 1. I don't understand why Mafia would target a hardcore lurker like Australia to tailor/kill; 2. If Australia was killed by a neutral killer, then it's unlikely that Australia was also tailored.

Australia was killed by someone, whether it be from the neutral or mafia or a trigger happy town is up for debate.

If mafia were the ones that did the kill, why wouldn't they use the tailor if they had one? It has 6 charges! Orange mafia in FM20 had 2 Janitors that didn't even come close to using all their charges, so don't give me that excuse.

[Old FM Greenland]

Actually, what if the 2 kills are a town vigilante + a neutral?

And then the mafia hit Columbia and/or hit someone with an autovest? Keep in mind most players haven't posted yet. There's a few possibilities noone has thought of yet.

[Old FM Japan]

Well, time to say hi again, got no feedback for night 1 at all. I can say Cyprus is probably ok (cant say more because of my role). And we can have ghosts and jesters here btw, since noone seems to take that into account. Oh yeah and it was a part of my strategy to look scummy day1, gave me silent night and scum will definetly try to lynch me, since they think they have more chances doing that as to "waste" their actions on me. Wich means we should have definetly a eye on Canada and Argentia, not sure about China though.

[Old FM Italy]

What about verses if the mafia killed and suited a player? There's the possibility they did it to a lurker simply because it's more believable to be a neutral hit. That's the reasoning we've made so far and it's pretty obvious reasoning so I would call it predictable. To be honest though consigliere is a relatively odd mafia role to suit as of all the possible mafia roles, right? I don't really see a good reason to suit as consigliere as all roles, unless they have a consigliere and want us to think they don't anymore (or they want us to think that WIFOM)?

Ah, now there's a good reason for them to tailor/kill a lurker. Why would it be odd for them to suit as a Consigliere, though? With a role list as hidden as this game has, it would make sense for them to have a Consigliere to help them sort out who and what the priority targets are.

And the more likely it is for a role to be in the mafia, the more reason they should suit a person as that role, makes the flip more believable. Which I suppose, if we believe lurker = scum, gives them all the more reason to hit a hardcore lurker.

Good thought, Greenland. Australia being tailored may not be as unlikely as I previously thought.


Australia was killed by someone, whether it be from the neutral or mafia or a trigger happy town is up for debate.

If mafia were the ones that did the kill, why wouldn't they use the tailor if they had one? It has 6 charges! Orange mafia in FM20 had 2 Janitors that didn't even come close to using all their charges, so don't give me that excuse.

Did I ever say they wouldn't use the tailor if they were the ones to kill Australia? My only doubt was over why they would choose to kill Australia in the first place. Greenland brought up a good point that could explain why.

[Old FM Poland]

Honestly, I don't see why its any more likely for Mafia to target a lurker vs a Neutral. At this stage in the game the Neutral Killer doesn't want to weaken the mafia, he wants to eliminate town PR's and that is the same goal as the Mafia is it not? The way I see it either Mafia or a Neutral Killer believed that actively lurking is an attempt to fly below the radar and so attacked lurkers as suspected PR's OR that the Consigliere ran into a Mass Murderer's Spree last night, because investigative roles and Mass Murderer's are by their very nature aiming at the same targets, I feel like that scenario is much more fitting that the shot in the dark at a lurker.

[Old FM USA]

Heyyo Breaking character here. Just informing that I can't be that active today. Solution to code was a mash up from these 4 words

Red
Blue
Democracy
America

I was role blocked tonight

Will post a much better code later today. I encourage everyone to do this as well.

This will not be a pattern. II'm not known for lurking.

[Old FM Russia]

The way I see it, Consigs are most likely to claim invests when the time comes to claim, if we all think that a Consig died last night, we will be less likely to question that claim since multiple consigs are less likely to appear with the mass variety of possible roles in setup and sheriffs will most likely not check to confirm it... (I haven't seen a sheriff verify an invest claimer in a very very long time... in fact I can't remember a time)

It would be the perfect place to hide in plain sight once the neutral killers are taken care of. With this being a hidden setup, we can't even count numbers because of the hidden anys.

[Old FM Libya]

The way I see it, Consigs are most likely to claim invests when the time comes to claim, if we all think that a Consig died last night, we will be less likely to question that claim since multiple consigs are less likely to appear with the mass variety of possible roles in setup and sheriffs will most likely not check to confirm it... (I haven't seen a sheriff verify an invest claimer in a very very long time... in fact I can't remember a time)

It would be the perfect place to hide in plain sight once the neutral killers are taken care of. With this being a hidden setup, we can't even count numbers because of the hidden anys.

State the obvious buddy.. But one thing wrong about this. I didn't see an Investigator role card in the setup, so the consigs can't claim investigator but a powerless Sheriff. The Town won't rely on the Sheriff too much since the Sheriff can detect so much. It would be better for the consig to claim something else or stay hidden rather than to take that risk.

[Old FM Russia]

State the obvious buddy.. But one thing wrong about this. I didn't see an Investigator role card in the setup, so the consigs can't claim investigator but a powerless Sheriff. The Town won't rely on the Sheriff too much since the Sheriff can detect so much. It would be better for the consig to claim something else or stay hidden rather than to take that risk.

You need to learn when to shut up... I was trying to bait a consig into revealing later in the game.

[Old FM Libya]

You need to learn when to shut up... I was trying to bait a consig into revealing later in the game.

And you need to learn not to state the obvious

[Old FM Greenland]

You need to learn when to shut up... I was trying to bait a consig into revealing later in the game.

That and if a seemingly weak player commented that, I would be immediately suspicious of them noticing that fact. Russia is right on that count

[Old FM Colombia]

Alright, so I'm going to start off with the fact that it's 4:30 in the morning here, so my analysis might not be up to par. Secondly, this will cause everything to be short and sweet, and only really about Spain.

The posting style seems vaguely familiar to me, but I'm not sure if it's the same style I'm thinking of. There really isn't anything there (it all seems to just be reiteration of what's already been stated), but at the same times, it feels like something is there. It isn't that huge of a deal, but I've seen it multiple times in the past, and it doesn't really indicate alignment at all, and activity is on the same boat. I'm not really sure what to think of it right now.

[Old FM Greenland]

FM Switzerland


FM Spain


Derp me for thinking I broke that wall post into multiple consecutive posts. But anyways



Well, time to say hi again, got no feedback for night 1 at all. I can say Cyprus is probably ok (cant say more because of my role). And we can have ghosts and jesters here btw, since noone seems to take that into account. Oh yeah and it was a part of my strategy to look scummy day1, gave me silent night and scum will definetly try to lynch me, since they think they have more chances doing that as to "waste" their actions on me. Wich means we should have definetly a eye on Canada and Argentia, not sure about China though.

This is scummy as fuck. I was holding off on voting you today to see how you would treat D2, and then you basically pre-empt any arguments against you with the possibility you're jester/ghost AND say any wagon forming on you is sure to contain scum? Yeah fuck no, that shit isn't going to fly with me.

FM Japan

[Old FM Greenland]

Alright, so I'm going to start off with the fact that it's 4:30 in the morning here, so my analysis might not be up to par. Secondly, this will cause everything to be short and sweet, and only really about Spain.

The posting style seems vaguely familiar to me, but I'm not sure if it's the same style I'm thinking of. There really isn't anything there (it all seems to just be reiteration of what's already been stated), but at the same times, it feels like something is there. It isn't that huge of a deal, but I've seen it multiple times in the past, and it doesn't really indicate alignment at all, and activity is on the same boat. I'm not really sure what to think of it right now.

Hmm. What do you mean by doesn't really indicate alignment at all. As in can't tell whether they're neutral vs. mafia or straight up independent from alignment.

Careful with what you say here, you don't want to risk the Gods wrath for revealing someone's true identity

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

@Columbia Are you saying that you think you recognize the identity of the poster? I honestly see no reason to say that.

Anyway, I'm sitting here and I end up stumbling on Cyprus. I apologize if I'm repeating what people have already said here, but honestly, he's scummy as fuck.


Something happened to me last night. Should I reveal it?

Libya role claim then lynch Japan agreed.
lets start with
FM Libya
Ok, if something happens to you (unless it'd reveal your role) You reveal it. The fact that you're trying to make it obvious you're lying is a bit queer honestly.


Since Australia was active lurking, I doubt that it would be tailored. Why would scum kill lurkers?

Columbia was attacked seemed plausible. However, I'm not too sure about the witched part.
To me this is just you repeating what others said without contributing anything for yourself. What the heck? That's somewhat of a scumtell if you can't even come up with your own theories.

Good game. We won. This isn't even contributive, don't make troll posts once the game has actually begun.

But the post that REALLY gets me...

I've earned enough town points for now. I won't be lynched anytime soon. Back to body building. Yeah.... no. What's this idiotic talk about having enough town points? You sure as hell haven't contributed for half your posts, most of them being 1 line, and not even that serious. You think basic posts gained you enough town points where you can leave just like that? And to announce it publicly. No. That logic is BS, and so are you.

FM Cyprus
This is half pressure, half lynch. I do think Cyprus is pretty darn suspicious, and would be a good target to lynch, but I would like to hear some more in depth posts from him that are actually somewhat original? Also, with his play, I don't think anyone could play that bad on accident tbh, he might be Jester. But for now, Cyprus, be more contributive.

[Old FM Mexico]

Just two kills? Pretty that one of them is a red and the other a dire needed Det. Anyway, nothing happened me. I'll contribute with a pressure vote.

FM Cyprus

[Old FM Libya]

That and if a seemingly weak player commented that, I would be immediately suspicious of them noticing that fact. Russia is right on that count

I disagree. With 1 Consig already dead and with odds closing in, a seemingly retarded Consig would be considered on the same level as Japan by now. I think a second retarded Consig is unlikely.

[Old FM Libya]

So I'm thinking that all the Hidden Non-Towns / Hidden Anys doesn't have a Journalist... including a Town Journalist and a Mafia Journalist.

Also, I've been thinking about USA's feedback post. It would be more common to have an Escort. So what if the Escort roleblocked the guy being sent for the Mafia night kill? As somebody said before, a vigilante might have hit that Consig. This is just pure speculation and rare to occur, but might have happened. I'm thinking USA was sent for the night kill last night?

Are vigilantes able to kill on night 1?

FM USA

[Old FM Colombia]

I don't mean that I recognize the identity, but I recognize the style itself. The idea of there being no indication of faction makes the post notoriously difficult to read, regardless of it it's productive or not. Plus I haven't played games with everyone here, so I don't know the styles of most of the people here.

[Old FM Norway]

I'm sexy and I know it.

Seriously, what kind of retarded vigilante shoots on Night 1? You just painted a big target mark on yourself, South Korea. Unless that's exactly what you want.

[Old FM New Zealand]

There have been many things I've wanted to say while reading through but I'll settle for these:

1. Why are people soft claiming their roles or the fact that they have a special kind of role so easily? Have seen 3 so far, which is more than I would've expected. At the very least you have to be more subtle about it.

2. Regarding that point, FM Japan looks like he's setting up for a role claim that he prepared in his first post in this thread (it's at the top of this page with posts shown at 50 per page).

3. What is with all the shitty codes? And to especially the guy who pointed out two codes with kinda shitty keys: What about the fucking guys who posted only a solution but no fucking key? Like what the fuck is that supposed to be? Are you hoping that no one would compare the solution to the code because it'd be too much work? Post some keys or face my wrath.

Seems weird that the guy ignored these people who didn't even post a key. Besides, I saw a lot of hypocritical stuff in this thread so I'm going to predict that this is going to be a looong game.

[Old FM New Zealand]

I'm sexy and I know it.

Seriously, what kind of retarded vigilante shoots on Night 1? You just painted a big target mark on yourself, South Korea. Unless that's exactly what you want.

Stop fishing for town cred and atleast read the whole fucking thread you imbecile.

[Old FM Norway]

I just did. To be honest, I kinda want to lynch Cyprus today. Your "town" points just immediately flipped into "scum" points right after your famous phrase.

I've earned enough town points for now. I won't be lynched anytime soon. Back to body building.
God, I love this phrase, even if it is so scummy. I'll remember it for the rest of my FM life.

FM Cyprus

I have an odd feeling about Japan right now, so I'm not planning to vote Japan today no matter what happens. Might reconsider this later.

[Old FM Argentina]

Upon reflexion I find a mafia tailor on Australia extremely unlikely. Or at the very least I don't believe mafia made the kill. No one knew there would be a lack of death descriptions and no one would believe a consig that died to mafia was actually a consig with a potential tailor in game. Maybe mafia got lucky and a neut hit their tailor target but I find it unlikely.

[Old FM Germany]

Nothing happened to me last night. I can't say the same for the person i visited.

[Old FM Norway]

I believe we are possibly dealing with the serial killer, the one who can disguise if threatened. South Korea's vigilante claim is false in its entirety. Mafia killed the detective (most likely), and someone else got the shot on mafia. No sane town role would make their night kill on the first night of the game.

[Old FM Norway]

Nothing happened to me last night. I can't say the same for the person i visited.

So are you saying you are not the citizen/bulletproof?

[Old FM New Zealand]

I would like to note here that I consider South Korea to be scummy rather than Japan.

The reason for this is that SK is steadily building a WIFOM wall where he can fence-sit all day long. The reason he has any town cred at the moment is that he pressured FM Japan which showed some seemingly scummy traits about Japan. The only thing I see here is the behaviour we have seen from KW37 from the most recent M-FM, where the player, who was town, had similar OMGUS reactions. Overall it feels like Japan is just a pretty dumb town player.

My assumption is that SK didn't pressure Japan all serious at the beginning (which is the impression I got) but upon success he just rolled with the flow. Thus we are back at my statement I made at the beginning of this post.

[Old FM Germany]

So are you saying you are not the citizen/bulletproof?

Why would i be a citizen or bulletproof? are you a investigator?

[Old FM Libya]

Why would i be a citizen or bulletproof? are you a investigator?

An* investigator

BTW, no investigators.

[Old FM Libya]

I would like to note here that I consider South Korea to be scummy rather than Japan.

The reason for this is that SK is steadily building a WIFOM wall where he can fence-sit all day long. The reason he has any town cred at the moment is that he pressured FM Japan which showed some seemingly scummy traits about Japan. The only thing I see here is the behaviour we have seen from KW37 from the most recent M-FM, where the player, who was town, had similar OMGUS reactions. Overall it feels like Japan is just a pretty dumb town player.

My assumption is that SK didn't pressure Japan all serious at the beginning (which is the impression I got) but upon success he just rolled with the flow. Thus we are back at my statement I made at the beginning of this post.

Which is what I'm saying. Japan just sucks bad.

[Old FM Iran]

I just finished reading Day 1. Great Allah, that was exhausting.

I don't have any useful feedback for now.

Obviously we have a neutral killer here, Vigilante had no reasons to kill Australia.

And now let's read Day 2.

[Old FM Germany]

An* investigator

Fucking grammar jew. I wish someone would just gas you all.

[Old FM Spain]

Too unaggressive of a post to be Town. The ambivalence is too damn high. Also note he pulled the same shit Australia pulled by saying some shit about real life.I always post this way. Also, Columbia had voted me because I only posted twice Day 1, so I addressed why I was inactive.


Well, time to say hi again, got no feedback for night 1 at all. I can say Cyprus is probably ok (cant say more because of my role). And we can have ghosts and jesters here btw, since noone seems to take that into account. Oh yeah and it was a part of my strategy to look scummy day1, gave me silent night and scum will definetly try to lynch me, since they think they have more chances doing that as to "waste" their actions on me. Wich means we should have definetly a eye on Canada and Argentia, not sure about China though.
It looks like Japan is saying he has a night action (investigative most likely), targeted Cyprus, and received evidence showing that Cyprus is likely town. There's no need to say that though, and if he is an investigative role, he just exposed himself. It's also possible that he's scum and is trying to clear an ally. It doesn't make much sense to attempt something like that this early in the game, but Japan doesn't seem like a good player, so maybe he attempted that thinking it would work. However, he could be town and is just playing poorly.

It's unnecessary to point out the possibility of ghosts and jesters. Yes, they're possible, but why spend a bunch of time worrying about them? It seems as though he's soft claiming to be one of them and is attempting to use that to not be lynched. Though combined with his more obvious soft claim above, either he's just trying to paint himself as an undesirable lynch, or he has another reason for pointing out the possible existence of ghost and jester.

That reasoning is incredibly flawed. If you're acting scummy, people will vote you. Maybe mafia will use it as an opportunity to mislynch, but mafia doesn't have majority. Town does. So saying everyone that votes you is scum seems to me like you're just trying to not be lynched by threatening people. You could be a bad town, but you could be a bad scum as well.

/vote FM Japan

@Greenland: Yes, I read Day 1 multiple times.

[Old FM Brazil]

Sorry I did not post Day 1. Lost track of all time. Gonna read up and shit

Code for tomorrow Y'n Cunno.

[Old FM Japan]

Ok guess we are going for cyprus then, self if im not sure about him being evil we wont make any advancments with doing nothing so. FM Cyprus

And yeah the Jester/Ghost thing was meant to take care with South Korea, since i believe he is one, through his posts and unnecassary fake claims.

[Old FM Brazil]

HAHAHAH messed up my own code. Oops. Es cunno. E syta y secdyga.
N=R

FM Cyprus

Unless a game mechanic confirms you as town. Never assume you have enough town points.

[Old FM Iran]

Ooh didn't think about that. But that's still two deaths, and mafia can only kill once, so that doesn't remove the fact that there's at least two killers out there, maybe 3 considering that Columbia was A&H'd.


Can you please show me the part of the setup when it says that mafia can only kill once per night?


China, could you please stop typing upside down?

Cyprus' statement about "earning enough town points" is odd. It's as though he's making sure he seems town enough before leaving. If he were actually town, why would he need to say that, and why would be need to have "town points"? It doesn't seem like a town thing to say.


I agree that China is obnoxious and if it dies somewhere in the future I won't reverse time flow to save it.


@Spain and others who vote Cyprus: You don't read this deeply, are you? You think scum would post such thing like "earning Town points"? Cyprus looks pretty relaxed with his way of playing, that's rarely a scum trait.

I love how some of you are focusing on Tailor and completely waste the Day. There's no reason to target complete lurker and even if they have tailor somebody they would have dress him as a PR, to undermine real PR's claim. So if anybody was suited up, it's Pakistan. Anyway, even if Aussie was tailored there's no sense in discussing it farther, since it doesn't move a game forward.

I'm also for now against Disguiser's code. There's no way all of us can organize to post it and it will spam this thread greatly. maybe after 3-4 Days it will be a good idea.

And last but not least:

FM Mexico

[Olden FM India]

India checking in.

Nothing happened last night, and have no information to contribute.

नमस्ते!

[Old FM Spain]

Ok guess we are going for cyprus then, self if im not sure about him being evil we wont make any advancments with doing nothing so. FM Cyprus

And yeah the Jester/Ghost thing was meant to take care with South Korea, since i believe he is one, through his posts and unnecassary fake claims.If you don't believe Cyprus is scum, why are you voting him? In your previous post you hinted that you had an action that caused you to be fairly certain he is town. Sure we need a lynch, but a mislynch is never good.

Could you please reply to my other points? Also, why didn't you clarify in your post that you were talking about South Korea?

[Old FM Japan]

If you don't believe Cyprus is scum, why are you voting him? In your previous post you hinted that you had an action that caused you to be fairly certain he is town. Sure we need a lynch, but a mislynch is never good.

Could you please reply to my other points? Also, why didn't you clarify in your post that you were talking about South Korea?

Yeah that i didnt clearify it earlier was my fault, thought ppl would bring that into connection, since i argued on day 1 a bit with south korea. To Cyprus im far away to believe he is town I just said he is maybe ok, since i couldnt read much out of his posts and my action didnt gave me a direct reason to believe he is scum. To my strategy, sure it has some downsides, thought it helped me pretty much to survive in my last fm, wich leaded to a town win. I didnt want to claim that everyone who votes me is automatically scum, just that there is probably scum on the wagon, wich is why i would want to check them, didnt find anything against my current voters thought, except that china trolls most time, canada trolled the whole day1 and made only 2 posts today (where he claimed to got roleblocked). Argentina seems ok so far.

[Old FM Mexico]

FM Mexico

Senör, why does the faction of terrorists vote me? All my reactions will be only questions as to why the vote.

[Old FM Ireland]

Ok I read through day and I feel the bandwagon on Cyprus' one post about town points is a bit useless of a train. I don't see any way that he totally meant that and no one is giving any reason besides that 1 post to throw a vote onto him. FM Spain I am sure there is probably a scum on that train of Cyprus'.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Are vigilantes able to kill on night 1?

Yes

[Old FM Ireland]

Saudi Arabia is the only one here who actually explained the reasonings behind his vote and it wasn't just because of that one post.

[Old FM Spain]

Ok I read through day and I feel the bandwagon on Cyprus' one post about town points is a bit useless of a train. I don't see any way that he totally meant that and no one is giving any reason besides that 1 post to throw a vote onto him. FM Spain I am sure there is probably a scum on that train of Cyprus'.I never voted Cyprus. I was the second person to address Cyprus' post about town points, and I said different things from the first person. Are you sure you read back?

-unvote Japan

He answered my questions and as of now I think he's just a town playing poorly.

[Old FM Japan]

Ok I read through day and I feel the bandwagon on Cyprus' one post about town points is a bit useless of a train. I don't see any way that he totally meant that and no one is giving any reason besides that 1 post to throw a vote onto him. FM Spain I am sure there is probably a scum on that train of Cyprus'.

Well I pretty much said that, I just followed up on Cyprus, if i a better target should appear over the day i wont hesitate to change my vote, thought why the vote on Spain?

[Old FM Poland]

Good morning everyone, I see we are still as undecided as ever on the Consigs death, but I agree with other remarks, there is nothing further we can gain by discussing it.

@Japan
I too find it odd that you just throw a PR claim into the wind as obvious as you did, it pretty much solidifies in my mind that you are scum, on the other hand your reminder of Ghosts/Jesters could be a clever ploy to make us think you are not a Ghost or a Jester. As such I will not be voting, but highly recommend that a Vigilante if one exists shoots you tonight.

-Kill Japan

@Cyprus
With the current pressure building now would be a good time to reveal your feedback, a role claim wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Well I just finished reading the whole thread. Though not my original intention it seems that my actions had separated the wheat from the chaff. I have changed my mind about a lot of players. There are a lot of things that need discussing over too. However, I don't have enough time to think over and make a proper post for the next few hours.

Since Japan claimed to visit me and is also a prime suspect, I need to think of a plan on how to claim without putting ourselves in a bad position. Ourselves refer to town, not Japan and I.

In the meantime,
unvote

[Old FM Iran]

Senör, why does the faction of terrorists vote me? All my reactions will be only questions as to why the vote.

So you are consciously controlling the way you react to votes? Interesting.

The thing is you are going with the path of the least resistance - you've never suspected Cyprus in the first place and when train arrived you've jumped right away. Your posts from Day 1 are mix of trolling and seemingly good posts, but what you really did is shooting down any decent ideas without proposing any of your own.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Poland, you can look forward to my Scum Plan 101 Chapter 4 where you will end up as the lynch today instead of I. Enjoy your life while it last ;-)

[Old FM Canada]

Note I am replying to these before reading posts that came after.


Well, time to say hi again, got no feedback for night 1 at all. I can say Cyprus is probably ok (cant say more because of my role). And we can have ghosts and jesters here btw, since noone seems to take that into account. Oh yeah and it was a part of my strategy to look scummy day1, gave me silent night and scum will definetly try to lynch me, since they think they have more chances doing that as to "waste" their actions on me. Wich means we should have definetly a eye on Canada and Argentia, not sure about China though.

Think Cyprus is OK but you can't say more because of your role? Is it because you know he is your Mafia Team-Mate and you don't want him lynched, but don't want to reveal your role?
Ghosts and Jesters... you seem to be desperately trying to get us off your ass.
You had a fucking strategy to look scummy D1... that is such a piss poor excuse that it's not even funny. And to give you a silent night? That is a very anti-town thing to do as it would drag investigative roles to you, and away from other possible scums.
And once again you pull an OMGUS out of your ass by attacking the people who vote you saying, "Oh everyone who vote me is scum".


Yeah that i didnt clearify it earlier was my fault, thought ppl would bring that into connection, since i argued on day 1 a bit with south korea. To Cyprus im far away to believe he is town I just said he is maybe ok, since i couldnt read much out of his posts and my action didnt gave me a direct reason to believe he is scum. To my strategy, sure it has some downsides, thought it helped me pretty much to survive in my last fm, wich leaded to a town win. I didnt want to claim that everyone who votes me is automatically scum, just that there is probably scum on the wagon, wich is why i would want to check them, didnt find anything against my current voters thought, except that china trolls most time, canada trolled the whole day1 and made only 2 posts today (where he claimed to got roleblocked). Argentina seems ok so far.

You believe he is town but you think he is ok. WTF does that mean? You think he is town but also and ok lynch? It seems like you just jumped on the best train and took it for a ride so you could survive the day.
I'll admit it. I didn't really do anything, yet I had made the assumption that day was 48 hours, which was obviously wrong. No excuses other than that.


Well I pretty much said that, I just followed up on Cyprus, if i a better target should appear over the day i wont hesitate to change my vote, thought why the vote on Spain?

aka, if you see a better train to hop on so that you don't get lynched you will do it. -I know this is an unsupported attack-

[Old FM Canada]

Commenting on Cyprus and that train, I honestly don't see much purpose to it other than his "Town Points" which seemed to be a joke post to me, and in my opinion a possible connection to Japan. Can anyone enlighten me otherwise?

[Old FM Cyprus]

In case I forget, I think Pakistan's death is strange. Veteran kill or bussed or disguiser maybe. He is tryhard D1, nil contribution. Unlikely to be scum target.

[Old FM South Korea]

Whoever started the train on Cyprus is scum and whoever followed is scum or bad.

He did have enough town points and anyone saying otherwise is just hoping to capitalize off his arrogant phrasing by playing on the emotions of other players.

[Old FM Norway]

SK, the primary reason we are voting Cyprus is that because of the post #67.

It doesn't matter how many "town points" he earned, because after that post I'm seriously starting to doubt his credibility as town. Just think to yourself. If you were town, would you really say that kind of stupid phrase?


I've earned enough town points for now. I won't be lynched anytime soon. Back to body building.

I want to hear something from Cyprus again when he returns. Maybe he'll can entertain use some more with his nonsense before we make our decision regarding him.

[Old FM Poland]

Whoever started the train on Cyprus is scum and whoever followed is scum or bad.

He did have enough town points and anyone saying otherwise is just hoping to capitalize off his arrogant phrasing by playing on the emotions of other players.

Welcome back South Korea, I believe I had a question for you, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you missed it, I find I don't always convey my meanings well. Here is the original question.



As for the special code, surely you didn't think it would go unnoticed how the pointless including that special code was unless of course you are trying to communicate with someone secretly. I will assume this be the case and pose the question what form of communication did you have last night? I ask and in fact urge that you provide no other details other than the nature of the night communication.


This is my clarification. What is the purpose the special code? I suspect you participated in a secret chat last night, what was the nature of the chat? Why did you choose not to reveal it?

[Old FM Kenya]

k, if something happens to you (unless it'd reveal your role) You reveal it. The fact that you're trying to make it obvious you're lying is a bit queer honestly.


Not necessarily. There are a few situations I can think of that would warrant keeping information a secret.


Upon reflexion I find a mafia tailor on Australia extremely unlikely. Or at the very least I don't believe mafia made the kill. No one knew there would be a lack of death descriptions and no one would believe a consig that died to mafia was actually a consig with a potential tailor in game. Maybe mafia got lucky and a neut hit their tailor target but I find it unlikely.

I highly doubt "no one" knew there would be no death descriptions. If I were mafia that would be the first question I'd ask, ESPECIALLY with a role like tailor because there would be absolutely no point in tailoring anyone to look like mafia unless there were no death descriptions. So I don't think that's a good counter argument.


What about verses if the mafia killed and suited a player? There's the possibility they did it to a lurker simply because it's more believable to be a neutral hit. That's the reasoning we've made so far and it's pretty obvious reasoning so I would call it predictable. To be honest though consigliere is a relatively odd mafia role to suit as of all the possible mafia roles, right? I don't really see a good reason to suit as consigliere as all roles, unless they have a consigliere and want us to think they don't anymore (or they want us to think that WIFOM)?

I think dressing the body as a consigliere works pretty well. Consigliere is very common in mafias to the point that it's practically a standard. So it would be the most believable role for us to see dead, because we all thought it was probably in the game anyway, right?

Wrong. At least, I think it's wrong. The reason the consig death caught my attention as a possible tailor-ing is for exactly the above reason. Not only does consig seem like the obvious most believable choice, but I highly doubt there is actually a consig in the game. Why give the mafia a consig when they could instead have a thief, which is way more powerful. It sacrifices a bit of the precision of the consig, but in return it gets a lot of power in the form of all the abilities it can copy.


So why not vote?

Not important, right now I'm just concerned about whether anyone else has strong feelings about it.


I was going to wait and see if better targets arose, but I suppose I can always switch my vote later. So why not.

FM Spain

I see. Should I watch the movie?


Ah, now there's a good reason for them to tailor/kill a lurker. Why would it be odd for them to suit as a Consigliere, though? With a role list as hidden as this game has, it would make sense for them to have a Consigliere to help them sort out who and what the priority targets are.

And the more likely it is for a role to be in the mafia, the more reason they should suit a person as that role, makes the flip more believable. Which I suppose, if we believe lurker = scum, gives them all the more reason to hit a hardcore lurker.


I explained this above, but just to re-iterate: I think this exactly the reason mafia would tailor a death as consig. However thief can basically do what the consig can do and then some, so I actually think they have a thief rather than a consig, which is why I find the consig death to be odd.

[Old FM New Zealand]

Not necessarily. There are a few situations I can think of that would warrant keeping information a secret.

Of course, but would you ask others if you should reveal your information? You would know best if you should or should not reveal information YOU have, not the others. Asking others is just plain retarded.

[Old FM Iran]

Kenya, I don't know what you're doing, but I don't appreciate putting words in my mouth. You've "quoted" me, but this quote is not mine.

I also don't like how obsessed you are with Tailor. Tell me, what do you want to accomplish by discussing it? And how will that help us?

[Old FM Poland]

Of course, but would you ask others if you should reveal your information? You would know best if you should or should not reveal information YOU have, not the others. Asking others is just plain retarded.

My thoughts exactly, and it is primarily this reason (apparently I hadn't made this clear earlier), and the fact that his posts have been "productive" without really seeming helpful that I am currently voting him. The town points statement simply drew my attention to his previous posts.

[Old FM Argentina]

In case I forget, I think Pakistan's death is strange. Veteran kill or bussed or disguiser maybe. He is tryhard D1, nil contribution. Unlikely to be scum target.

This post means two things to me.

First and blantant, you have a trump card that will prove your towniness and completely reverse the train on you but you are not revealing it yet to get more "scum" targets from people voting you.

Second and more subtle, you are discouraging people on the fence on your train from voting you without actually supplying any real argument.

I eagerly await your incredible defense.

FM Cyprus

[Old FM Argentina]

Poland, you can look forward to my Scum Plan 101 Chapter 4 where you will end up as the lynch today instead of I. Enjoy your life while it last ;-)

Quoted the wrong post

[Old FM Cyprus]

I'll post in parts.

Prior to my train, Japan was being voted and was the main train:

Argentine #10
China #14
Canada #18
Poland #44 (changed votes from Libya)

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Then the votes on me began:

Columbia #67 (changed votes from Spain)

Cyprus, in no way have you "earned enough Town points" to just go inactive like this. You can't expect to just leave and be completely fine, which really worries me that you're just too lazy to do anything else. Along with that, all of your posts have pretty much been responses to other people, and of the most basic quality. Providing nothing but opinions and not having any kind of suspicion coming out of nowhere seems a bit too conservative from my perspective.
Poland #78 (changed votes from Libya, Japan)

It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to reveal your feedback, the fact that you are asking doesn't really sit right with me TBH.

Oh I forgot my vote. I'm placing a vote on FM Cyprus, for reasons already mentioned by others as well as the reasons noted in my post above.
Saudi Arabia #113
Can't quote all, so...
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26855-FM-XXI-Day-2?p=435877&viewfull=1#post435877
Mexico #114

Just two kills? Pretty that one of them is a red and the other a dire needed Det. Anyway, nothing happened me. I'll contribute with a pressure vote.
Norway #121

I just did. To be honest, I kinda want to lynch Cyprus today. Your "town" points just immediately flipped into "scum" points right after your famous phrase.
I've earned enough town points for now. I won't be lynched anytime soon. Back to body building.
God, I love this phrase, even if it is so scummy. I'll remember it for the rest of my FM life.
Japan #134 (after saying I might be town?)

Well, time to say hi again, got no feedback for night 1 at all. I can say Cyprus is probably ok (cant say more because of my role).

Ok guess we are going for cyprus then, self if im not sure about him being evil we wont make any advancments with doing nothing so.
Brazil #135

Unless a game mechanic confirms you as town. Never assume you have enough town points.

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Those who ignored my train, some of them are previously in my scum list but now I change my mind:
China
Spain
Russia
South Korea
Greenland
Libya
Italy
Sweden
Kenya
Fiji
USA
New Zealand
Russia
Iran
India
Ireland

[Old FM Kenya]

Kenya, I don't know what you're doing, but I don't appreciate putting words in my mouth. You've "quoted" me, but this quote is not mine.

I also don't like how obsessed you are with Tailor. Tell me, what do you want to accomplish by discussing it? And how will that help us?

That is odd. I'm not sure why that quote is listed as yours, Maybe it's some kind of bug with multi-quote. Sorry to mis-attribute that to you. Someone did say it, though... I'll figure out who in a bit.

The discussion serves a few purposes.
1. See if anyone can provide a definitive argument on the subject proving my theory either true or false. If proven false, then we know there is one mafia down, and that they likely don't have any power to investigate because it is doubtful that they possess two investigative roles. If proven true, then we confirm the presence of a tailor in the game, we can reasonably assume there is no consigliere in the game, and we can also gather that either the mafia is hunting PRs and believes them to be hiding amongst the lurkers, or a bus driver swapped the mafia's kill target with Argentina (though this is becoming less likely due to a lack of bussed claims). Either way we get information. And even in the case that no definitive argument is made (most likely scenario) we still get some good posts for analysis, which is never bad.

2. Since it's unlikely that we will be able to solve this puzzle for certain today, this discussion also serves to signal our coroner (if we have one) to check Australia rather than Pakistan.

3. It's something to discuss, and none of the other paths for discussion seem to be leading anywhere useful. We could go back and forth on Columbia's feedback and which part (if any) was faked all day, but I don't think we'll be able to figure out the answer until we get more feedback reports.

[Old FM Kenya]

Ah, the quote actually belongs to Greenland. Here's the post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26855-FM-XXI-Day-2?p=435860&viewfull=1#post435860).

[Old FM China]

Random thoughts:

Greenland is claiming or WIFOM that he's blackmailed.

Poland is most likely scum for fluff posting giant walls of nothing and his "tryhard" contributing in those as well as continues fishing for information.

Cyprus train is stupid because I said same exact thing and nobody even glanced at me for saying it.

Whoever started the random tailor discussion/idea is probably a scum if that is a real consig. Anyone who is continuing it at this point is stupid or scum, its been going on long enough.

that being said now moving vote to where it should be

Libra is ML or moron for heavy specking cult leader shit. For day 1 and 2 due to how many other possible outcomes there can be.

FM Italy

[Old FM China]

So if anyone has anything to ask me go ahead, otherwise I'm just going to sit here and wait.

[Old FM Kenya]

Also, just thought I'd point this out since everyone questions the wisdom behind killing Australia- Why do we think Pakistan was killed? He didn't have very many posts himself (a total of 10), I don't think he was really much of a "leader" per se, and after re-reading all his posts I see no indication that he soft-claimed a PR or anything. So his death seems just as strange as Australia's to me.

[Old FM Poland]

I have deemed it necessary to write a last will, my last will code is:

Tf mb phgci dnu ll qq vwhtk, W ymfxh yfe npd! Sk P dls, og gmdlc iby sdd!

[Old FM New Zealand]

Random thoughts:

Greenland is claiming or WIFOM that he's blackmailed.
Either that, or what I thought: He wanted to give the possibility for someone else to claim blackmail. I think hinting at blackmail isn't allowed, but it may be a loophole if someone said he very much liked the movie Blackmail as response to Greenland's question or something like that.

[Old FM Kenya]

Greenland is claiming or WIFOM that he's blackmailed.


I thought so too, but I can't figure out why he's referencing the movie instead of just claiming that he's blackmailed. Actually, this might clear that up: Can a blackmail include restrictions in addition to the demand? ie."You must claim poisoned. Do not claim blackmailed, do not claim any other feedback, etc."

If the answer to that is yes, then part of the blackmail must be that he can't claim blackmailed. If the answer is no, then I'm back to not understanding why he is referencing the movie instead of simply claiming. Unless the demand of the blackmail was "don't claim blackmailed", but that seems rather pointless.



Whoever started the random tailor discussion/idea is probably a scum if that is a real consig. Anyone who is continuing it at this point is stupid or scum, its been going on long enough.


That would be me. I find fact that you dismiss it to be quite scummy, because I don't see why any town would want to stymy conversation.

[Old FM China]

Q: Can blackmail to ensure a certain player is lynched, or any result-oriented blackmail?
A: No, a Blackmail must be in the form of "Do this" or "Don't do this". Specific goals will not be acceptable.
Appropriate blackmail would be. Vote X in your first post and don't unvote or vote anybody else.

Q: Can blackmail to spam one million post by day end, or anything that is not achievable?
A: No, because it is a specific goal. They can tell the player to solely spam, but that is open to individual interpretation.

Q: Can blackmail for consecutive nights?
A: Yes

Q: Can blackmail to "do not post at all"?
A: Yes

Q: Will players who are blackmailed not to post anything for consecutive nights modkilled?
A: No, players won't be modkilled for not talking if there is a reason for them not talking.

Q: Can players fulfill blackmail in an unconvincing way, by using loopholes or directly claim blackmail?
A: Of course. And yes, players can claim blackmailed.

Q: Are the number of demands limited?
A: No, but I will be removing demands that are unreasonable from the list of demands (like make 1 million posts, suicide, ect)

From FAQ...

Maybe that should answer everything atm

[Old FM Kenya]

Either that, or what I thought: He wanted to give the possibility for someone else to claim blackmail. I think hinting at blackmail isn't allowed, but it may be a loophole if someone said he very much liked the movie Blackmail as response to Greenland's question or something like that.



Q: Can players fulfill blackmail in an unconvincing way, by using loopholes or directly claim blackmail?
A: Of course. And yes, players can claim blackmailed.


Players can claim blackmailed. So they wouldn't need this loophole unless the demand could be worded so as to prevent them from doing so. Which is why I'm waiting on answer to my question.

[Old FM Poland]

Players can claim blackmailed. So they wouldn't need this loophole unless the demand could be worded so as to prevent them from doing so. Which is why I'm waiting on answer to my question.

I believe the relevant portion was


Q: Are the number of demands limited?
A: No, but I will be removing demands that are unreasonable from the list of demands (like make 1 million posts, suicide, ect)

[Forum Mafia GM]

Can a blackmail include restrictions in addition to the demand? ie."You must claim poisoned. Do not claim blackmailed, do not claim any other feedback, etc."

Yes

[Old FM China]

Poland: Who are your top scumspect and why?

[Old FM Norway]

From my experiences in past FMs, I have seen players that were able to crack the codes on their own. It's not even uncommon for disguisers and blackmailers to do that (only if they are REALLY good at cracking).

Your very own code might be already under cracking underway, so put that into consideration!

[Old FM Poland]

FM Cyprus, for reasons already stated, and his defense to be honest seems to be a stall as he isn't actually answering the questions about why he did it, but instead declaring that everyone his train is scum, and everyone not on his train is clean.

FM South Korea, a combination of the haphazard disguiser code, the obvious trolling, a lack of useful information, as well as my suspicion of secret communication with a character from night chat.

FM Libya, I believe I have stated my reasons quite well, I would like to note however that Libya is being much more cooperative, whether this is an attempt to save face from the pressure or just a result of standard game progression is yet to be determined.

FM Japan, About this point my evidence becomes very weak, honestly the main issue I have with Japan is his association with Cyprus, his unnecessary PR claim, and that he seemed to get really defensive about buddying with china without any accusation at all? Maybe I misinterpreted that last part?

[Old FM New Zealand]

Players can claim blackmailed. So they wouldn't need this loophole unless the demand could be worded so as to prevent them from doing so. Which is why I'm waiting on answer to my question.

Yep, I'm seeing it, kinda weird then of Greenland to do.

Can the addition "Do not claim blackmailed, do not claim any other feedback, etc" be an addition to a goal that is not related to feedback (i. e. "You have to vote XYZ. Do not claim blackmailed, do not claim any other feedback, etc"?

[Old FM Cyprus]

Of those who voted me:

1. Sheeps:
Mexico, Norway, Brazil

2. "Push the train on me elsewhere":
Japan

3. With reasons in addition to "imma enuff town points":
Columbia, Poland, Saudi Arabia

Nothing to talk much about 1.
Very obvious with 2.

Of 3., Columbia and Saudi Arabia felt very strongly that I did not contribute and posted fluff, so much that they wrote quite a bit on it. Poland somehow agreed with Columbia with his additional valid point. My suspicion fell on them.

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My posts:

Something happened to me last night. Should I reveal it?

Libya role claim then lynch Japan agreed.
lets start with
FM Libya
Suspicion!


Since Australia was active lurking, I doubt that it would be tailored. Why would scum kill lurkers?
Novel idea.


Reason being?
Questioning thinking process.


Columbia was attacked seemed plausible. However, I'm not too sure about the witched part.
I thought that Columbia seemed town D1. Although he was not town leader like Argentina and South Korea, he acts as decent support, so he was still likely to be attacked and targeted by heals.

As for witching, my experience is that witches will try to find fellow scums during early game to secure communication lines by targeting potential killers. It is only later that witches will disrupt investigating roles, claimed or assumed. Columbia didn't seem to be a good target for witches, likely drugged.


Good game. We won.
If DD targets people for the lolz without planning, then the game is as good as won.


Dear Kenya, what about mine?
Nothing interesting.


It's a lazy way to choose night targets. Furthermore, in my opinion, there are better drugs than roleblock.
Clarifying "Good game. We won." Confused about targets since tired.


I've earned enough town points for now. I won't be lynched anytime soon. Back to body building.
Away for real life.

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Columbia:


Cyprus, in no way have you "earned enough Town points" to just go inactive like this. You can't expect to just leave and be completely fine, which really worries me that you're just too lazy to do anything else.
Can't take a joke/WIFOM. Greenland was accused of something similar, so I assume such thinking are endemic in this site. Leaning neutral.


Along with that, all of your posts have pretty much been responses to other people, and of the most basic quality. Providing nothing but opinions and not having any kind of suspicion coming out of nowhere seems a bit too conservative from my perspective.

FM Cyprus
Unwarranted accusation. And what did you expect than "response to other people", "of most basic quality" and "nothing but opinions". And I already pointed out that I suspected Libya and Japan. In my first post no less.


I'll go back to an inactive depending how the activity changes today, but I want an explanation for this.
Alright for you to be inactive then? He later posts are also very long but conveyed little.

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Saudi Arabia:


Anyway, I'm sitting here and I end up stumbling on Cyprus. I apologize if I'm repeating what people have already said here, but honestly, he's scummy as fuck.

Ok, if something happens to you (unless it'd reveal your role) You reveal it. The fact that you're trying to make it obvious you're lying is a bit queer honestly.
Valid. But I assumed that the person targeting me was town (until Japan claimed without pressure). There are a lot of reasons for not claiming early. But my key reason was town do not have a lot of method to find scum to choose from: feedback is among the more reliable ways. If the feedback implicates me, why don't you think the person visiting me did not reveal and accuse me as scum? I revealed that I have feedback to tell that my visitor's action was successful.

Is it wrong to ask town whether to reveal or not? So you think I'm scum and intentionally ask scummy question, which nobody even replied until Poland. And Poland here is my answer.


To me this is just you repeating what others said without contributing anything for yourself. What the heck? That's somewhat of a scumtell if you can't even come up with your own theories.
Absolute lies if you even bothered to read my posts. You made it up from thin air.


This isn't even contributive, don't make troll posts once the game has actually begun.
If you read my later explanation, you won't call it trolling.


But the post that REALLY gets me...
Yeah.... no. What's this idiotic talk about having enough town points? You sure as hell haven't contributed for half your posts, most of them being 1 line, and not even that serious. You think basic posts gained you enough town points where you can leave just like that? And to announce it publicly. No. That logic is BS, and so are you.
Why should I be retarded and paint myself red by waving "I'm the most townest" flag? I don't need the towncred by making long posts when a single liner will do.
Not serious? Greenland is way townier then you are, even with his RP. And I contributed a lot of novel ideas, unlike you.


FM Cyprus
This is half pressure, half lynch. I do think Cyprus is pretty darn suspicious, and would be a good target to lynch, but I would like to hear some more in depth posts from him that are actually somewhat original? Also, with his play, I don't think anyone could play that bad on accident tbh, he might be Jester. But for now, Cyprus, be more contributive.
Scum or dumb.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Yep, I'm seeing it, kinda weird then of Greenland to do.

Can the addition "Do not claim blackmailed, do not claim any other feedback, etc" be an addition to a goal that is not related to feedback (i. e. "You have to vote XYZ. Do not claim blackmailed, do not claim any other feedback, etc"?

Yes

[Old FM Greenland]

Sigh. The point of that random movie statement was to give anyone who was blackmailed an indirect way to do so. Since you made it explicit China, there's a chance it becomes too direct to be claimable depending on the blackmailer's demands.

That said, I'm surprised noone else is scared of a blackmailer. If anyone is blackmailed, please say something about the movie Blackmail - just google it.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Players can claim blackmailed. So they wouldn't need this loophole unless the demand could be worded so as to prevent them from doing so. Which is why I'm waiting on answer to my question.

Demands are not limited. So scum can:

DO NOT CLAIM BLACKMAIL DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY
DO NOT HINT BLACKMAIL
etc.

Blackmail can be easily circumvented by doing it tardily. For now I didn't see any, maybe perhaps Japan. But he has been unconvincing since D1.

[Old FM Greenland]

Libya, were you culted last night?

[Old FM Greenland]

Egypt, you gonna post again or continue to keep it to a couple tiny posts per day?

[Old FM Cyprus]

FM Cyprus, for reasons already stated, and his defense to be honest seems to be a stall as he isn't actually answering the questions about why he did it, but instead declaring that everyone his train is scum, and everyone not on his train is clean.

Answered two minutes late. Typing walls are tough.

They might not be clean but at least they are not opportunistic scum trying to defend Japan.

Why are you worried about last wills when I suggested that you will be lynched?



Referring to my second wall I think I'm gonna vote Saudi Arabia over Columbia/Poland for now.

FM Saudi Arabia

Argentina killed my scare tactics on Poland.

[Old FM Japan]

Well that maybe means i can scratch greenland from my voters list, since he probably got blackmailed to vote me (wich would wonder me), wich would leaves canada alone, who still didnt contributet more to us as a try to flip my arguments to bad ones again (wich could mean that he self is the blackmailer, thought a bit obvious).

[Old FM Cyprus]

Well that maybe means i can scratch greenland from my voters list, since he probably got blackmailed to vote me (wich would wonder me), wich would leaves canada alone, who still didnt contributet more to us as a try to flip my arguments to bad ones again (wich could mean that he self is the blackmailer, thought a bit obvious).
Still don't know how to deal with you...

How do you rate yourself as a player?
Why did you reveal yourself?
Are you fine with me revealing your role (don't reveal yet we will make codes first)?

[Old FM Greenland]

Bula! As we say in Fiji! I apologize immensely for missing out on Day 1 action. It is I, the Figian Babe Viking!

I have received no night feedback, and so I have nothing to contribute but speculation. If it would help others, I will speculate. If speculation does not help others, then I will keep my mouth closed.

They say that a closed mouth don't get fed.

Why has your mouth stayed closed since?

[Old FM South Korea]

I say shit like that all the time, Norway. In fact, I think I've already called myself confirmed Town this game. I usually wait until Day 4 to be polite but I was horny this game.

The special code is special because it isn't solved. Infact I think I'll make another one

Special Code 2: Real Exempt Noel Maroon Tilapia

The fact that I won't solve it proves my identity and it will become crystal clear on Day 5 as I continue to post.

[Old FM China]

Sigh. The point of that random movie statement was to give anyone who was blackmailed an indirect way to do so. Since you made it explicit China, there's a chance it becomes too direct to be claimable depending on the blackmailer's demands.

That said, I'm surprised noone else is scared of a blackmailer. If anyone is blackmailed, please say something about the movie Blackmail - just google it.

I state what I see, its all subjective really whats considered "directly/indirectly claiming"

@cyprus: Plz tell me you saw the FAQ question about the "impossible bms?"

I have confirmed Poland is most likely not part of our town.

Shit reads? Check
Only 4 scum reads out of what; 7-8 non-town aligned roles in list? check
Fluff posting giant walls of nothing? check
Deliberate fishing for information? check

normally i would vote you but seeing how i have strong gut town on Cyprus and he agrees I'm sheeping him

fm Saudi Arabia

[Old FM South Korea]

Spain continues to be obvious scum. Brb movies.

[Old FM Cyprus]

I state what I see, its all subjective really whats considered "directly/indirectly claiming"

@cyprus: Plz tell me you saw the FAQ question about the "impossible bms?"

Indirectly can be loopholed depending on how it was phrased.

Yes. I don't think I gave any wrong info.

[Old FM China]

Demands are not limited. So scum can:

DO NOT CLAIM BLACKMAIL DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY
DO NOT HINT BLACKMAIL
etc.

Blackmail can be easily circumvented by doing it tardily. For now I didn't see any, maybe perhaps Japan. But he has been unconvincing since D1.

That's what I saw that made me think you didn't read that part. Might be more me misunderstanding. But meh...

[Old FM Greenland]

I state what I see, its all subjective really whats considered "directly/indirectly claiming"

@cyprus: Plz tell me you saw the FAQ question about the "impossible bms?"

I have confirmed Poland is most likely not part of our town.

Shit reads? Check
Only 4 scum reads out of what; 7-8 non-town aligned roles in list? check
Fluff posting giant walls of nothing? check
Deliberate fishing for information? check

normally i would vote you but seeing how i have strong gut town on Cyprus and he agrees I'm sheeping him

fm Saudi Arabia

It's subjective, but I was trying to construct a specific loophole as I doubted blackmailer demands would try too hard D2 since noone would be clued in to give someone a way to claim it(a loophole you filled).

And what, you believe more in your gut read on Cyprus then in your own reads (hint: paradox)? You're pointing fingers one way and pointing your votes the other. That's scummy, because it's setting yourself up for an excuse should a mislynch occur.

South Korea is right. Spain, if you claim you read D1 then where are your reads from D1? You gave stuff on D2 and said you read D1, so where is it? FM Spain

Will be back later, if anyone has any questions/stuff they want to bounce off me address it with "@Greenland" if you please so it's easier to find.

I'm really soft I promise!

[Old FM Japan]

Still don't know how to deal with you...

How do you rate yourself as a player?
Why did you reveal yourself?
Are you fine with me revealing your role (don't reveal yet we will make codes first)?

Well, i would rate myself rather bad, since this is my first real FM and i dont know half of the things that they use here like: bussed, Fos, Loophole (I googled it I guess it means the same).

I revealed, because i saw votes on you and didnt know excactly why they voted you so I said that you have a higher chance to be innocent as the most others, thought i aggree that the town points post thing seems scummy so i voted you for the moment, doesnt mean it will stay on you, but my only other suspect is Canada and i dont know what others think of him, so I will hold back there.

My exact role should stay hidden for the moment, I think it is enough that it is known that im a PR.

I will draw back my vote for now, until I have more evidences against someone.

unvote

[Old FM Cyprus]

If you are referring to "specific goals", I understand it as demands that are depended on factors not in control of the blackmailed player. Not relevant in our case.

PEDIT: I meant blackmailer can make unlimited number of demands. Nothing wrong there?


Q: Are the number of demands limited?
A: No, but I will be removing demands that are unreasonable from the list of demands (like make 1 million posts, suicide, ect)

[Old FM Cyprus]

I can vouch for Japan that his night actions is from town/town-motivated.

If anything I'm scummier for not revealing than him targeting me.

[Old FM Cyprus]

Protective roles please DO NOT visit me tonight thanks. I'm not role claiming no no.

[Old FM Kenya]

Sigh. The point of that random movie statement was to give anyone who was blackmailed an indirect way to do so. Since you made it explicit China, there's a chance it becomes too direct to be claimable depending on the blackmailer's demands.

That said, I'm surprised noone else is scared of a blackmailer. If anyone is blackmailed, please say something about the movie Blackmail - just google it.

Yeah, I figured this is what you were doing, I just asked you questions about it in order to give you an opportunity to claim if you were yourself the target of a blackmail. And this is also why I never explicitly stated what I thought you were doing... *glares at China*


It's subjective, but I was trying to construct a specific loophole as I doubted blackmailer demands would try too hard D2 since noone would be clued in to give someone a way to claim it(a loophole you filled).

And what, you believe more in your gut read on Cyprus then in your own reads (hint: paradox)? You're pointing fingers one way and pointing your votes the other. That's scummy, because it's setting yourself up for an excuse should a mislynch occur.

South Korea is right. Spain, if you claim you read D1 then where are your reads from D1? You gave stuff on D2 and said you read D1, so where is it? FM Spain

Will be back later, if anyone has any questions/stuff they want to bounce off me address it with "@Greenland" if you please so it's easier to find.

I'm really soft I promise!

I agree on the scumminess of China. I seriously don't know why any town would blatantly point out your loophole like that. And China's mismatch on reads and votes is another red flag (pun intended).

[Old FM Poland]

@Greenland
What's the case on FM Spain, I have a good vibe coming from him.

[Old FM China]

It's subjective, but I was trying to construct a specific loophole as I doubted blackmailer demands would try too hard D2 since noone would be clued in to give someone a way to claim it(a loophole you filled).

And what, you believe more in your gut read on Cyprus then in your own reads (hint: paradox)? You're pointing fingers one way and pointing your votes the other. That's scummy, because it's setting yourself up for an excuse should a mislynch occur.

South Korea is right. Spain, if you claim you read D1 then where are your reads from D1? You gave stuff on D2 and said you read D1, so where is it? FM Spain

Will be back later, if anyone has any questions/stuff they want to bounce off me address it with "@Greenland" if you please so it's easier to find.

I'm really soft I promise!

If I'm wrong, I am wrong and I suffer what happens. Its a paradox but really my role pm says I'm town. If I end up on a mislynch train, then I have to deal with it. I may be sheeping here, but don't worry I do have my own thoughts on the matter at hand.

TLDR:

Is it scummy: sure
Do I care: no

[Old FM China]

@Greenland
What's the case on FM Spain, I have a good vibe coming from him.

How about this, what makes him "good" why not "town?

@kenya

Its how I play. I point out what I see.

random thought:

greenland/kenya are possibly aligned if one of them flips not town.

[Old FM China]

Also

@greenland: its scummy that you say what I am doing is scummy and only do a discredit on me and not say I'm scum.

Its also scummy that you say it like that when i was making an observation and someone else blew it out (you iirc) and then twist it to say "China is scummy for doing that"

If anything you outing the fact your outing you not being BM and said you did it to help as an idea and then come to complain to me is scummy.

Its as if your trying to get some town cred.

What you basically did there from my POV is this:

What you are doing is scummy, but I know you are not scum. So instead I am going to discredit you to make you look like a scummy player.

So greenland: who are your scumspects and why?
Same for you kenya.

[Old FM Egypt]

I return from my Gallivant just in time for China to be on my glorious little engine that could. (get it, he thinks he can...?)

Anyway, I lied about not receiving feedback. I found a Mafia last night.

FM Greenland

[Old FM Poland]

I return from my Gallivant just in time for China to be on my glorious little engine that could. (get it, he thinks he can...?)

Anyway, I lied about not receiving feedback. I found a Mafia last night.

FM Greenland
Lel, this'll be good.

[Old FM China]

I return from my Gallivant just in time for China to be on my glorious little engine that could. (get it, he thinks he can...?)

Anyway, I lied about not receiving feedback. I found a Mafia last night.

FM Greenland

NOW THAT I'M SHEEPING BIG TIME

FM greenland

[Old FM Ireland]

I received no night message. As well I never made a Disguiser code because I thought the day was longer :D

Random vote

FM Greenland

Hmm I knew this vote seemed a bit too random. I knew there had to be reasoning behind it.

[Old FM Egypt]

Not forgetting today

Lfgedvcjim

[Old FM Ireland]

I'll abstain from my vote at this time on Spain to FM Greenland
I wanna see how he defends himself.

[Old FM China]

Random thoughts:

Greenland flips scum: Kenya most likely aligned.

Poland unlikely aligned but could still be non-town.

I'm going to go back and look for connections.


FM Greenland (2 [L-15]):
FM Egypt, FM China
FM Cyprus (7 [L-10]):
FM Argentina, FM Poland, FM Colombia, FM Saudi Arabia, FM Mexico, FM Norway, FM Brazil
FM Spain (4 [L-13]):
FM Greenland, FM South Korea, FM Ireland, FM Kenya
FM Japan (1 [L-16]):
FM Canada
FM Saudi Arabia (1 [L-16]):
FM Cyprus
FM Italy (1 [L-16]):
FM Russia
FM USA (1 [L-16]):
FM Libya
FM Mexico (1 [L-16]):
FM Iran

Placeholing the vote count as well

[Old FM Egypt]

I'll abstain from my vote at this time on Spain to FM Greenland
I wanna see how he defends himself.

:D

[Old FM Sweden]

I'll sheep.
I'll be back with opinions after I visit the little girls room
FM Greenland

[Old FM China]

ITS JUST LIKE FM 20 ALL OVER AGAIN! BUT THIS TIME WITH MAFIA!

[Old FM Ireland]

It's subjective, but I was trying to construct a specific loophole as I doubted blackmailer demands would try too hard D2 since noone would be clued in to give someone a way to claim it(a loophole you filled).

And what, you believe more in your gut read on Cyprus then in your own reads (hint: paradox)? You're pointing fingers one way and pointing your votes the other. That's scummy, because it's setting yourself up for an excuse should a mislynch occur.

South Korea is right. Spain, if you claim you read D1 then where are your reads from D1? You gave stuff on D2 and said you read D1, so where is it? FM Spain

Will be back later, if anyone has any questions/stuff they want to bounce off me address it with "@Greenland" if you please so it's easier to find.

I'm really soft I promise!

Well Egypt the biggest thing i want to see out of this is the fact he voted Spain and agreed with South Korea. I don't think South Korea is scum, but this vote and buddying with South Korea could explain stuff. As in Spain is prolly not mafia if Greenland flips mafia.

[Old FM Norway]

I believe we are doing the right thing this time.

FM Greenland

What matters now is not Egypt's claim, but how Greenland gets to defend himself.

[Old FM Sweden]

People who are farming for town points by putting down vote counts in their posts need to stop. There is a button for that at the top of every page in this thread. We don't need you to tell us.

[Old FM France]

Bonjour! I greet you all! I am replaced in. I have no clue what the other guy was doing. I am going to read the day, can someone give me a summary of what just happened on day 1 and most of day 2?

[Old FM China]

Bonjour! I greet you all! I am replaced in. I have no clue what the other guy was doing. I am going to read the day, can someone give me a summary of what just happened on day 1 and most of day 2?

Vote greenland, we have mafia found

[Old FM China]

Well Egypt the biggest thing i want to see out of this is the fact he voted Spain and agreed with South Korea. I don't think South Korea is scum, but this vote and buddying with South Korea could explain stuff. As in Spain is prolly not mafia if Greenland flips mafia.

Ireland, what about kenyas post of "I agree what I did was scummy"?

For reference its post 199 here


I agree on the scumminess of China. I seriously don't know why any town would blatantly point out your loophole like that. And China's mismatch on reads and votes is another red flag (pun intended).

Mafia buddy right there?

I ask anyone for imput on this.

[Old FM Germany]

Fm Greenland

I hate eskimos.

[Old FM France]

I ain't voting anyone yet. I am reading the day first or have proof given to me. I am not a sheep! Don't worry I will vote someone soon

[Old FM Mexico]

I need to stop lurking, I signed for a game after all. Too bad I have nothing to contribute and everyone have already posted walls of texts, made their claims, read and post their analyses. Is there in any way I can contribute so I can stop lurking? Oh gahwd I need to stop lurking.

[Old FM China]

I return from my Gallivant just in time for China to be on my glorious little engine that could. (get it, he thinks he can...?)

Anyway, I lied about not receiving feedback. I found a Mafia last night.

FM Greenland

^is the proof

@mexico

vote?

[Old FM Japan]

Dunno why spain got voted in the first place to be honest, he seemed at least to me ok. Well Egypt surprised me, but i had my own thoughts on greenland already (cant really explain it, but he somehow just didnt seemed "good".), let myself get distracted through the blackmailed claim thought. So yeah im always a fan of information and to vote/lynch greenland, will provide some important to us (self for a newbie like me^^). To note is still thought the fast increase of votes (I know we had a investigative claim, still could be fake), if he should flip town after all take that into accord.
FM Greenland

[Old FM China]

People who are farming for town points by putting down vote counts in their posts need to stop. There is a button for that at the top of every page in this thread. We don't need you to tell us.

I'm not putting it down for town points....

I'm putting it for reference later.

Also counter-tailor idea:

PUT YOUR REAL ROLE IN THE LAST WILL!

Really if they want to do a full out clean a role (besides a possible janitor/disguised trick), they will need to not only change the LW but also the role.

[Old FM Mexico]

@mexico

vote?

As a pressure, sure. FM Greenland

[Old FM China]

@Japan: its typical for things like that to happen

@mexico: ˙˙˙ǝɹǝɥʇ pıp noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ǝǝs ı

[Old FM China]

I saw something of intrest...

If greenland does flip scum, it would almost confirm that consig is legit. Check start of day and who put out the "tailor/mafa" kill spec....

[Old FM Egypt]

I'm off to gallivant again. Won't be nearly as long this time.

[Old FM Ireland]

Ireland, what about kenyas post of "I agree what I did was scummy"?

For reference its post 199 here



Mafia buddy right there?

I ask anyone for imput on this.

Checking that discussion right now. Will get back to you. Also will check ur post about consig.

[Old FM Spain]

Spain continues to be obvious scum. Brb movies.You say I'm obvious scum, but you don't provide reasons. Iirc, you voted me in the first place because my first post wasn't aggressive. I explained it already, so I assume you have other reasons why you find me suspicious. Could you say what those reasons are?

Also, Ireland never addressed why he voted me. It seemed as though his reasoning was that he thought I was bandwagoning on Cyprus, but I never voted Cyprus. He took his vote off, but only to vote Greenland.

-vote FM Ireland

This is just pressure to make sure he replies.

[Old FM Ireland]

I saw something of intrest...

If greenland does flip scum, it would almost confirm that consig is legit. Check start of day and who put out the "tailor/mafa" kill spec....

Well I looked at the post and I can see them being buddies. Kenya strictly said it like he knew Greenland was 100% town or that he is in the mafia with Greenland and used it to discredit you. I can see Kenya being scum, but ofcourse lets see Greenland's defense and if we lynch him his role of course.

[Old FM China]

Ok, I glanced though day 2 and feel like i just pegged mafia team all up...

if greenland flips scum:
consig is confirmed dead
kenya become strong suspect due to "agreeing" that I'm scummy
SK would be another good suspect for saying "greenland is town w/ mexico" as well as seemingly knowing consig is dead.
Mexico would follow SK under that

Poland has a chance of being scum but I would have him unaligned to mafia and be a neutral.

I need to think everything out now, my gears are running...

Expect a giant wall post of thoughts and everything later, if I don't get around to it it will be in my lw.

I glanced though Greenland and if needed i could also build a case out of this against Greenland however a quick scan:

Hunting neutrals? Check
Grubbing for town points with the "blackmail"? Check
Discrediting by saying things are scummy? Check
Sheep avatar to look more "innocent"? Check

That's a glance though, at this point, I'm not buying any claim unless it reveals to be mayor or Mason/ML and can name one other member.

[Old FM China]

Also this:

FM Spain (3 [L-14]):
FM Greenland, FM South Korea, FM Kenya

[Old FM Costa Rica]

nothing happened to me last night.

i couldnt make a disguiser code yesterday, because i didn't show up again because actually i thought day was longer. but i will make one today.

so i gotta read through the 250 posts now but before i gotta sleep lol

[Old FM Cyprus]

FM Greenland

Argentina is right. Nordic countries are scum.

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

FM Greenland
Another vote can't hurt, but just there can't be that many more or a lynch is going to get confirmed before he can reply. I'm going to reply to Cyprus now, just have to pull up the post and write out my explanation.

@Costa Rica Man that sucks, read up/thoughts before day ends please?

[Old FM New Zealand]

Hmm nothing to say for me to note at this point that hasn't been said already.

Ready to vote Greenland, but I don't think we need so many more votes right now. I'll let lesser active players place their vote, I'll be around for it later.

[Old FM Greenland]

Part 1


Yeah, I figured this is what you were doing, I just asked you questions about it in order to give you an opportunity to claim if you were yourself the target of a blackmail. And this is also why I never explicitly stated what I thought you were doing... *glares at China*



I agree on the scumminess of China. I seriously don't know why any town would blatantly point out your loophole like that. And China's mismatch on reads and votes is another red flag (pun intended).

Much appreciated. I was hoping it would sit out long enough for more players to see/possibly respond to it, but oh well.


How about this, what makes him "good" why not "town?

@kenya

Its how I play. I point out what I see.

random thought:

greenland/kenya are possibly aligned if one of them flips not town.

Aww hell no. Can you OMGUS harder? I put my vote on Spain because I wanted to see him address Cyprus's post + why he said he read D1 and didn't have anything on it.


Also

@greenland: its scummy that you say what I am doing is scummy and only do a discredit on me and not say I'm scum.

Its also scummy that you say it like that when i was making an observation and someone else blew it out (you iirc) and then twist it to say "China is scummy for doing that"

If anything you outing the fact your outing you not being BM and said you did it to help as an idea and then come to complain to me is scummy.

Its as if your trying to get some town cred.

What you basically did there from my POV is this:

What you are doing is scummy, but I know you are not scum. So instead I am going to discredit you to make you look like a scummy player.

So greenland: who are your scumspects and why?
Same for you kenya.

Because I don't want to waste time with people speculating about me being BM'ed/if I'm restricted? It's important to know if there's a blackmailer in this game, and you just made it harder to figure that out today.


Well Egypt the biggest thing i want to see out of this is the fact he voted Spain and agreed with South Korea. I don't think South Korea is scum, but this vote and buddying with South Korea could explain stuff. As in Spain is prolly not mafia if Greenland flips mafia.

More like, if you read through South Korea's posts she has a number of strong and spot on points. Or do you disagree?


I need to stop lurking, I signed for a game after all. Too bad I have nothing to contribute and everyone have already posted walls of texts, made their claims, read and post their analyses. Is there in any way I can contribute so I can stop lurking? Oh gahwd I need to stop lurking.

Have you read through D2 yet?


Ok, I glanced though day 2 and feel like i just pegged mafia team all up...

if greenland flips scum:
consig is confirmed dead
kenya become strong suspect due to "agreeing" that I'm scummy
SK would be another good suspect for saying "greenland is town w/ mexico" as well as seemingly knowing consig is dead.
Mexico would follow SK under that

Poland has a chance of being scum but I would have him unaligned to mafia and be a neutral.

I need to think everything out now, my gears are running...

Expect a giant wall post of thoughts and everything later, if I don't get around to it it will be in my lw.

I glanced though Greenland and if needed i could also build a case out of this against Greenland however a quick scan:

Hunting neutrals? Check
Grubbing for town points with the "blackmail"? Check
Discrediting by saying things are scummy? Check
Sheep avatar to look more "innocent"? Check

That's a glance though, at this point, I'm not buying any claim unless it reveals to be mayor or Mason/ML and can name one other member.

Why don't you actually quote posts or refer back to them? You did the same thing with your read on Poland, making blanket statements to discredit the player in question. I have plenty of posts, why don't you refer to all of them as opposed to picking out anything that you can spin badly? Plus you're role fishing here. I don't like how you OMGUSed me originally and then have eagerly jumped on Egypt's claim to get rid of me.

[Old FM Poland]

Part 1 was pretty dull if you ask me.

*Eagerly awaits Part 2*

[Old FM Greenland]

Part 2: Egypt, I'll give you a few hours to rescind or I will resolutely explain why you're lying.

Spain, you haven't responded with reads on D1 yet.

[Old FM China]

Part 2: Egypt, I'll give you a few hours to rescind or I will resolutely explain why you're lying.

Spain, you haven't responded with reads on D1 yet.

Can you disprove him is a better question.

[Old FM Poland]

Are you serious, a cliffhanger? And I thought this game was starting to get really interesting!

[Old FM Sweden]

Greenland is currently stalling for time.

[Old FM China]

Aww hell no. Can you OMGUS harder? I put my vote on Spain because I wanted to see him address Cyprus's post + why he said he read D1 and didn't have anything on it.

This wasn't directed at you? Whats with the defensiveness?

Because I don't want to waste time with people speculating about me being BM'ed/if I'm restricted? It's important to know if there's a blackmailer in this game, and you just made it harder to figure that out today.

Wrong, its more like an attempt to grub for free town cred. You set it up with that post, what if you never said anything? All of this would be thrown out the window and never would of happened

Why don't you actually quote posts or refer back to them? You did the same thing with your read on Poland, making blanket statements to discredit the player in question. I have plenty of posts, why don't you refer to all of them as opposed to picking out anything that you can spin badly? Plus you're role fishing here. I don't like how you OMGUSed me originally and then have eagerly jumped on Egypt's claim to get rid of me.

I can blame you for same thing of role fishing from day one with king ale being mayor, also my case isnt OMGUS, you are jsut discrediting it like that. Refute the points at their core. I gave a general outline. I dont give shit about how you "don't like it"

I'm also not "jumping on it" I have several suspects and you are also one of them. The fact that Egypt claimed is why I'm sheeping him.

Really why do I even bother to respond to scums.... Unless if you can refute the claim by mod or some claim that is irrefutable. I refuse to continue discussion.

Anything you say by words is something I will take for a grain of salt.

[Old FM Poland]

Anyways, since this is apparently going to be delayed let me express my thoughts here. I want to make it clear that I trust Greenland has a dynamite defense that will clear him of all accusations. I do not believe however that means we should automatically lynch Egypt. I feel like targeting Greenland for investigation is a viable target given his clear attempts to lead town day 1, no doubt these thoughts also went through the mind of the mafia. If Greenland defends himself as well as I expect, then my first suspicions would be a framer amongst us.

Then again, it is possible that Mafia tailored FM Greenland and then proceeded to force a lynch to confirm one of their own, so we will be by no means be able to trust Egypt as a PR based on the claim alone.

[Old FM Greenland]

Can you disprove him is a better question.

I pretty much can if I have to.

I'll just go ahead and post part 3 because even if Egypt's actually an investigative role with mafia discovered (doubtful) he's basically outed now, and that's not on me anyways.

Possibilities:
1) Reaction testing
-He needs to go ahead and reveal who his real night target was if he's actually an investigative

2) Black mailed
-Unlikely because there's specifically a way for him to claim it, unless the demands are too strong

3) Ventriloquist
-Optimal target as he only had 1 post D1, he still hasn't posted very much today. ALSO he posted a code today, meaning someone could claim he's disguised/ventriloquisted after today

4) Executioner with me as a target
-Typical sc2mafia executioner claim, investigative (usually sheriff) with feedback for victory D2

5) Jester
-Picked me because either it's pushed til I flip and he's autolynched tomorrow or he's lynched. Either way wins

Reasons why he's not actually a town investigative:

1) One detective is already dead

2) Very suboptimal for an investigative to claim D2 in this setup. There's a lot of non-town meaning it's better to save up your feedback unless the cult leader is caught (See FM XX)

He may rescind his claim, but if he doesn't I see ventriloquist/jester/executioner as most likely

@Sweden
Or you can let me finish typing

[Old FM Poland]

I can blame you for same thing of role fishing from day one with king ale being mayor, also my case isnt OMGUS, you are jsut discrediting it like that. Refute the points at their core. I gave a general outline. I dont give shit about how you "don't like it

IIRC I was the one that suggest that King Aelle was might be mayor based on meta.

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

Saudi Arabia:


Valid. But I assumed that the person targeting me was town (until Japan claimed without pressure). There are a lot of reasons for not claiming early. But my key reason was town do not have a lot of method to find scum to choose from: feedback is among the more reliable ways. If the feedback implicates me, why don't you think the person visiting me did not reveal and accuse me as scum? I revealed that I have feedback to tell that my visitor's action was successful.
I'm trying to glean from what you're saying here; I'm not quite sure if I follow. If something happened to you, and you're trying to communicate that what they think happened did indeed, happen, why wouldn't you just claim it?


Is it wrong to ask town whether to reveal or not? So you think I'm scum and intentionally ask scummy question, which nobody even replied until Poland. And Poland here is my answer.I never asked for you to role reveal. It's wrong to say "umg something happened to me last night" without just saying what it is, because that's blatant hiding information. I don't believe I asked scummy questions either, if you feel so strongly about that would you mind giving me an example?


Absolute lies if you even bothered to read my posts. You made it up from thin air.On both accounts, I apologize. I remembered people talking about the lack of a vest before the first time, and for the second time I remember people saying a lot about the potential drug deal at that point in time. I wronged you here, and I'm not afraid to admit that.



If you read my later explanation, you won't call it trolling. I did. This is the quote in which you responded to:

Because Colombia is famous for its drug cartels? Since the 1970's, Colombia has been home to some of the most violent and sophisticated drug trafficking organizations in the world.

I'm just sayin', if I were a Drug Dealer and Colombia were not on the mafia with me, I would totally choose him as my first target because "lulz Colombia and drugs"
To me, I think this is pretty off topic, but there wasn't enough to warrant a vote or anything. You, in reply to this completely off topic post, stated "Good game we won", which I assume to refer to the "Columbia and drugs" part. So yes, this is trolling. If I am misunderstanding this, feel free to clarify.



Why should I be retarded and paint myself red by waving "I'm the most townest" flag? I don't need the towncred by making long posts when a single liner will do.
Not serious? Greenland is way townier then you are, even with his RP. And I contributed a lot of novel ideas, unlike you.It's more the fact that you seemed to say "lolol I'm done here I have town cred I've done my duty for the day". I guess I didn't voice that enough when I stated that paragraph. It made me think all you really came for day was to get town cred and then leave, and to me, that's a bit of an anti-town mentality to have. That's what I read from the post, in addition to the lack of detail. And long posts do help explain things, like for example, you could of provided examples of some of the things I allegedly did and then asking you them now wouldn't be an issue.

[Old FM Iran]

I'm sorry, Your Woollyness but I'm going to...You know, your avatar.

FM Greenland

I except good defence, but just in case we should be close to hammer.