FM XXI: Night 1

[Forum Mafia GM]

Night chat has opened.

FM Argentina Disguiser (Ragnar Lodbrok)
FM Australia Consigliere
FM England Consort
FM Greenland Beguiler
FM Saudi Arabia Drug Dealer
FM Spain Agent

[Old FM Argentina]

Hail Hydra

[Old FM Greenland]

I was wondering if we were supposed to make these threads haha

I read through the rules, but to confirm:
Can we trade our own individual COMs in here, between mafia? Not hunting for anyone else's, just sharing our own.

[Old FM Argentina]

Q: com name claiming is barred from all chats, just to clairfy, does this inclue mafia/cult chats?
A: Yes, there is no need to claim COMs in night chat other than curiosity.

We can not com trade

[Old FM Greenland]

Can we submit night actions for other mafia members in this night chat?

[Old FM Greenland]

We can not com trade

Cool beans then.

Role pls?

[Old FM Argentina]

Can we submit night actions for other mafia members in this night chat?


Q: can gf (the rp name) overide mafia night actions?
A: Yes.

Q: can other mafias put in night actions for mafia that are/do not show up or forget?
A: Yes

yes

[Old FM Argentina]

Cool beans then.

Role pls?

Disguiser, not sure how happy I am with that role.

[Old FM Greenland]

Ouch, that's not very optimal.

I'm Beguiler (with 5 charges woot)

[Forum Mafia GM]

roles posted. idk why but posting wasn't appearing in post, but was there when I went to edit >_>

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

I'm the Drug Dealer, so that should work somewhat. We should probably get a role list of who we are first, then make plans based off of that.

[Old FM Greenland]

Hmm. Not really the roles I was expecting. Much more oriented towards discovering roles then messing with night actions/feedback

Role list is in first post

[Old FM Argentina]

Wonder if we should give a fake gun to south korea via Drug Dealer

[Old FM Greenland]

Not a good idea if she has a watcher on her, unless we sack her the next night

[Old FM Argentina]

You think SK is a prime lookout target?

[Old FM Argentina]

Does Drug dealer replace a target's feedback or would they see both?

[Old FM Argentina]

I think I would like to have consig on Sweden.

Greenland are you planning on beguiling tonight? Or saving it for later nights? I think we should save it.

I'm not sure whether we should have Greenland or I go for the night kill. If I'm found by lookout detective and can manage to survive till the night I can disguise.

[Old FM Greenland]

They see both I think.

Honestly I want South Korea dead, it may be worth sending you since you're immune to detection (confirm it works with Detective/Lookout immunity?)

[Old FM Greenland]

I don't think I'm getting night targeted tonight (Columbia may be Arms Dealer or something like that??)
Let me think about it a bit more, I'l post my thoughts later

[Old FM Argentina]

I do not believe I am immune to det/lookout. My rolecard only says I am immune to sheriff.

I'm iffy on a south korea kill. Do you think the train on japan will maintain if we kill him?

[Old FM Argentina]

I think Sweden, Pakistan and France are persons of interest.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does Drug dealer replace a target's feedback or would they see both?

They would see both

[Old FM Greenland]

If we are able to find the Cult Leader, we should knock the auto-vest off then leave him alone. Sacking him when we choose to means we kill the entire cult in one blow, which can be a lot of players

[Old FM Greenland]

I really should have taken notes on the day

Rereading through, gimme a bit

[Old FM Greenland]

Halfway through the D1 thread with my notes

Where's the rest of the Axis of Evil? Speak up compatriots!

[Old FM Greenland]

Lawyer/Disguiser codes:

Kenya
Thailand
Colombia
South Korea
Poland
USA

Saudi Arabia
Argentina
Greenland

[Old FM Greenland]

Inactive countries:

Fiji
India
Russia

[Old FM Greenland]

Drug Dealer should douse feedback someone.

I would recommend someone claiming role blocked or witched.
I would recommend consigliere target France.
I would recommend killing Canada or China.
I would recommend Agent track Cyprus. //not sure on this one,

We may want to make a type of code to communicate feedback come day.

Night actions for everyone in here, overridable by any mafia player:
Consigliere -check France
Agent -detective track Cyprus
Consort -block Canada
Beguiler -kill China
Drug Dealer -fake douse feedback Colombia

[Old FM Greenland]

Night actions for everyone in here, overridable by any mafia player:
Consigliere -check France
Agent -detective track Cyprus
Consort -block Canada
Beguiler -kill China
Drug Dealer -fake douse feedback Colombia

Thoughts on this guys?

[Old FM Greenland]

Two types of last wills, we should all set one or the other:

1) Fake Actress Suit last will
Write a will as though you are a TPR (ex: Sheriff), claim your night action etc., hope everyone thinks you were suited

2) Evil neutral alliance last will
Tell evil neutrals no mafia member will claim feedback for douse/witch/etc as we win with them. We can then communicate identities if we so choose by not sharing feedback should it occur

[Old FM England]

I semi-crumbed Citizen in my first post so I'm ok for a claim and it can also help prove my identity if I need to.

If we can't kill and use our regular night action then I'd rather we beguile than track someone. In my experience tracker is a fairly weak scum role whereas beguile not only provides safety from cops/Evil neutrals/CULT it can also lead to the death of an innocent townie if it was a said evil neutral.

Pretty sure Japan can be ml'd even without South Korea and I can see why they'd be a good target but at the same time I feel like they want people to visit him. Ok with those targets but again, give the agent the kill and beguile Cyprus instead.

Should I claim citizen in my last will?

[Old FM Argentina]

I'm weary of false claiming roleblock, though if anyone does it, it should be me. If a det/lookout happened to be on the mark I'm the only one of us who is not taking a night action. I also fear a lookout seeing no one visit me when I claim.

I think doused will alert town to the presence of a drug dealer sooner pretty soon unless we douse every night. If there is already an arson town may be inclined to believe there is a DD when 2 people claim doused. Alternatives would be attacked & healed confusing town on the number of killers at night. A lack of an attack on night 2 need not imply a DD as someone may not want to reveal they were attacked and healed or a night immune person might not want to reveal they were attacked period. I'm also a fan of the fake gun because it is not something someone will immediately reveal they got but they might waste a night action trying to use it. Or believe it worked and the target was night immune. Will a person with a real gun that targets a night immune person be informed their target was night immune?

One of the role possibilities is spy but all he can do is use 3 charges to see mafia targets. If I were a spy I would use all 3 charges right away. Trying to time it to catch a disguiser would be too difficult. Because of this I think I'd want the agent to lookout on one of us and maybe we'll find a town power. With the bonus of confusing the spy. Greenland, you and I were the most visible among us, I would recommend the agent watch one of us.

I'm fine with the consig and consort action, why kill china first?

[Old FM Argentina]

Why give the agent the kill over me?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Will a person with a real gun that targets a night immune person be informed their target was night immune?

Yes

[Old FM England]

I've explained why, I just think beguiler is a stronger role than Agent.

[Old FM Argentina]

I've explained why, I just think beguiler is a stronger role than Agent.

That's why to give the agent the kill over the beguiler. I'm a disguiser.

[Old FM Greenland]

If you're confident on it go ahead and change our night actions

Guysss we're still missing 3 players. We should also make a code to communicate feedback, especially for consig + agent...

[Old FM Argentina]

If you're confident on it go ahead and change our night actions

Guysss we're still missing 3 players. We should also make a code to communicate feedback, especially for consig + agent...

Agent possibly, but is the consig info really so urgent? We're not going to try and lynch tonight's consig target so we don't need to worry about a confirmable role. Trying to pass a code without need just increases the probability of being discovered as part of a team.

[Old FM Greenland]

I guess so then, I just like having additional info :P
I'm fine with it if you guys think it's best

[Old FM Greenland]

Night actions for everyone in here, over-ridable by any mafia player:
Consigliere -check France
Agent -watch Greenland
Consort -block Canada
Beguiler -hide behind Argentina
Drug Dealer -fake douse feedback Colombia
Disguiser -kill Sweden (don't disguise)

Tomorrow I'm going to crumb vigilante I think.

How's new night actions look then?

[Old FM Argentina]

why hide behind me? you should at least try and redirect a kill to a town.

[Old FM Argentina]

why hide behind me? you should at least try and redirect a kill to a town.

Ah, I see the goal is to have the Agent able to act as lookout on both of us. It might be worth the potential loss of a night kill on town for that info. Even if a neut evil attacks me it wont be a total loss because we are uncoordinated allies.

Does arson burn pierce my immunity? I expect no since arson can day burn removing his largest downside.

[Old FM Argentina]

Also we have the added benefit of targeting two of our members should a spy use his ability to see our targets.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Does arson burn pierce my immunity? I expect no since arson can day burn removing his largest downside.

No, Arsonist burning does not pierce immunity.

[Old FM Greenland]

Additionally either I or you will do the night kill. If I'm caught by a detective it means they targeted me and not you. If you're caught and we get you to night we can get you to disguise

for agent, if they watch someone do they see everyone that visits? Or who would they see? Little confused about agent role card description

[Forum Mafia GM]

for agent, if they watch someone do they see everyone that visits? Or who would they see? Little confused about agent role card description

They can choose between either seeing who their target visits, or who visits their target. If they choose to watch a target, they will see everyone who visits their target.

[Old FM Greenland]

Arson can be healed as well

I doubt I'll be targeted for a kill this early, but you'd be immune if there's an issue.

Wonderful, then the agent is a double lookout tonight

[Old FM Greenland]

Change drug dealer to attacked and healed for Colombia then? Or what do you guys think works best?

[Old FM Greenland]

Thanks for the snappy answers Btw Odin! ^^

[Old FM Greenland]

Also we Theoretically tell the evil neutral we are scum if we don't claim attacked feedback and that happens, only issue is if they get culled as they can spread that knowledge then

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

Ok, reading through, I gotta agree with the drug deal of attack+heal. Unless I drug deal doused each night then it's not going to work, and I'd rather keep our options open than not.

[Old FM England]

I'm hesitant to kill Sweden because I think he has a townread on me. I'd suggest Columbia/Pakistan who seem to be more like the background voices of reason.

[Old FM Argentina]

I'm hesitant to kill Sweden because I think he has a townread on me. I'd suggest Columbia/Pakistan who seem to be more like the background voices of reason.

I can support killing pakistan instead. I don't want to go after columbia tonight.

[Old FM Greenland]

Overridable by anyone
Argentina kill Pakistan
Saudi Arabia -attack and healed Colombia

Do we want to send a fake gun or attack and healed then

[Old FM Greenland]

Spain and Australia, should you get lynched tomorrow please leave your feedback in your last will.

Just move it 3 slots down and put a * to indicate you did so or something.

Ex: @Australia name a role at some point in your last will and "*" star it which is 3 below your feedback in the setup. That way we can move 3 up and know what the true role is, and noone is clued in that their role was discovered.

@Spain name all those that visited but shift them from the original playerlist. Shift them by:
+8, -4, -1, +21, +30, +16, +3.
So it's not a simple thing to figure out who got caught visiting. And place a star " * " somewhere in your last will so we know you used this code.

Just in case we don't want to lose useful feedback in the event we might lose it

[Old FM Greenland]

@Odin

I just made a post and it said submitted for moderator approval?

[Forum Mafia GM]

@Odin

I just made a post and it said submitted for moderator approval?

approved.
it's post count, i'm going to need to increase everyone to 10 posts

[Old FM Greenland]

Cool, thanks. That happened in FM XX I think, they set it at 100 if that helps

[Old FM Spain]

Sorry for not saying anything.

I've never used Last Wills before, and while I know what they are, I don't know how we're supposed to use them.

The night actions look good to me.

[Old FM Greenland]

Last Wills appear and are publicly released when you die in a mafia game

[Old FM Greenland]

Night actions are locked in in 45 minutes. Everyone happy?

[Forum Mafia GM]

need em bold red to confirm

[Old FM Greenland]

Better way of doing codes actually:

Just say you're using code if you need to just communicate (ex: last will) and throw some trash words. That way if you're agent for example, no one knows how many visitors you saw but us.

Role Card Codes[/B]]


Role Card
Codeword


actress

unembanked


agent

morainic


mafia architecht

bigamous


arms dealer

observable


beguiler

paradox


blackmailer

triangulated


chauffer

deposable


consigliere

hexer


consort

hypesthesic


disguiser

greenwood


drug dealer

oenomel


framer

spud


grave robber

clink


janitor

unbeset


kidnapper

kantianism


lawyer

carbonic


mafia journalist

semicynical


mafioso

interbalanced


mortician

nonsterility


tailor

unsnug


thief

unceremoniousness


ventriloquist

outmalaprop


with

gnome


architect

unmarshalled


armorsmith

george


blacksmith

exanimate


bodyguard

inhuming


bulletproof

capella


bus driver

inedibility


citizen

coactor


coroner

illegitimatizing


crier

arboreally


detective

prowl


doctor

deservedness


enchantress

unequalizing


escort

ultrafiltration


gunsmith

amphigoric


intern

ferricyanide


jailor

nonoxidation


journalist

outshowing


lookout

unstanch


mason

reforgeable


mason leader

corvus


matchmaker

eerotema


mayor

nugatory


nurse

educationalist


operator

cautiously


sheriff

ventriloquist


spy

indeciduate


veteran

unique


vigilante

actress


cult leader
blackmailer


arsonist

sheperd


corrupt journalist

walnut


serial killer

pants


mass murderer

jeans


shaman

sky


toxicologist

airplane


ventriloquist

jet


witch

smoke


amnesiac

seance


arms deaker

bird


executioner

aardvark


ghost

anteater


jester

goblin


ninja

giant


student

fruit


survivor

shell












Player
Codeword


Australia
verdancy


Brazil
acnode


Canada
permafrost


China
biarticulate


Colombia
prewired


Costa Rica
kirsten


Cyprus
cetura


Egypt
bouncy


England
unsteadfast


Fiji
decarboxylation


France
menton


Germany
patroness


Greenland
bogart


India
brusher


Iran
silverise


Ireland
circumstantiated


Italy
sutra


Japan
tenser


Kenya
argo


Libya
puppyhood


Mexico
propagandize


New Zealand
murmurlessly


Norway
lacunar


Pakistan
knap


Poland
neostyled


Russia
independence


Saudi Arabia
castilla


South Korea
replumed


Spain
misdating


Sweden
squarehead


Switzerland
unattributive


Thailand
monument


USA
restipulation


Argentina
oceanic






Trash words
eurybia
superemphasize
residency
dextro
semiprivate
calendar
demobbing
fraud
logarithm
epanaphora
shiftiness
caqueteuse
canonicals
cabalistical
austronesian
transseptal
misthrowing
duke
shipwreck
vanquishment
subfossorial







Feedback

Codeword



Roleblocked
pick


Attacked
anisodont


Bussed
scourings


Witched
preinhered


Doused
appetizer


Poisoned
import


Fake Vest
sophomore


Fake Gun
microcosmos


Lured
fragmentize


Repelled
christian


Lawyered
pagan


Fake Suit
publish

[Old FM Greenland]

GUYS PLEASE MAKE SURE TO SUBMIT NIGHT ACTIONS IF I AM DEAD. I HAVE PLAYED A GAME BEFORE IN MAFIA WHERE WE MISSED AN ENTIRE NIGHT OF ACTIONS BECAUSE NOONE REMEMBERED TO SUBMIT

Consigliere -check France
Agent -watch Greenland
Consort -block Canada
Beguiler -hide behind Argentina
Drug Dealer -fake attack and healed feedback Colombia
Disguiser -kill Pakistan (don't disguise)

[Old FM Greenland]

First spoiler above is role card.

Everyone submit the follow last will if you don't have one. Replace "XXX" with all words you want to communicate should you die (ex: Consigliere lets us know he found the cult leader)

[quote]
dear pple that win with me

we tell u who we r by not say feedbck if we get any

if i was douosed i wood not say so and u know im mafia

message: "XXX"

okokok

[/quote

Consigliere, if you found the Ghost it's worth claiming you have a sheriff guilty on them for he mislynch. Or call him the cult leader based off your check on him if that's detectable by sheriff. Anti-town ghost is incredibly powerful

[Old FM Greenland]

Wow I'm fucking up with my closing brackets today

Use the above codes if you wish/need 'em. Good luck all :)

[Old FM Greenland]

Can we submit our last wills in here with red + bold?

-Submit last will


Well fuck, second time I've been n1'ed in a large mafia game. May try to replace back in if the gods and a short reserve list allow it but oh well.

Sadly no feedback to share since I'm dead, but I tracked South Korea. Soft claimed in one of my posts, said the word "track" to clue off I'm detective which I guess was too obvious

Watch out for Mexico and USA. I would recommend pressure on USA and Japan in lieu of any useful claimed feedback.

My disguiser/lawyer codes were: "mypassword" and "passwordmy" for passcodes, which when solved give the message "tisishrekthesheep"

I bequeath my wool to New Zealand, that he may take up my cloth in the pursuit of victory

[Old FM Greenland]

This is a last will that looks like I was suited, either do one of these or do one that communicates to the evil neutrals (you can use the above red template if you want for that one, just realized it doesn't need to be obfuscated but oh well)

[Old FM Greenland]

I'm done spamming night chat now (boosting that post count yo). The best island in the world out!

[Old FM Argentina]

Good luck and Hail Hydra

Hope Australia and spain will be more active tomorrow

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

Definitely. Sorry for not being 100% active, I'm going to go drug deal submit now.

[Old FM Saudi Arabia]

Oh wait, realized I can't cause it's too close to day. But yeah.
Can we still submit Last wills?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Oh wait, realized I can't cause it's too close to day. But yeah.
Can we still submit Last wills?

No, sorry. Must be 1 hour before night ends.

Feedback going out now, night chat closing!