M-FM XXIII Avatar- the Last Airbender: Book 2- Earth Gamethread

[Dock]

The fact that you are even not taking the fact of dealing with your cc is bs.

im just gonna go though and post both sides and not give fucks about what they think or whoever thinks what

The disguiser Bushi is the greater threat right now. He has my encourage which will allow him to disguise again tonight, escaping from us yet again. Mai's Mother won't be going anywhere. She'll be just as scum tomorrow as she is today.

And with that, I'm going to head to sleep now. Either you guys believe me and we should lynch Bushi (unless he somehow proves himself not disguised later, in which case get Mai's Mother), or you don't believe me, and you lynch me. Those are pretty much the only ways this day should go.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

mother, how about explain your equation and solve the second

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

also i want a definite answer to can citizens and marshalls receive encourage feedback

i just cant explain what happened n1 without either bosko or BOTH sokka claimers lying. we should solve that first before lynching anyone

[Guru Pathik]

also i want a definite answer to can citizens and marshalls receive encourage feedback

i just cant explain what happened n1 without either bosko or BOTH sokka claimers lying. we should solve that first before lynching anyone

Jesus Christ (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26149-M-FM-Avatar-the-Last-Airbender-Book-2)

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

also i want a definite answer to can citizens and marshalls receive encourage feedback

i just cant explain what happened n1 without either bosko or BOTH sokka claimers lying. we should solve that first before lynching anyone

BASIC LOGIC: SOMEONE IS LYING.

this is why at times i do much better, everyone is trying to logic the entire game. when they dont think basic "someone is lying"

or better yet, bosco is disguised?

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

why dont you want to answer this?
all i found is this
Sokka Encouragement:
You were Encouraged by Sokka! Tomorrow night you may take action twice, or utilize an ability you would not normally be capable of!

doesnt explain when exactly it is sent out. and citizens have no action

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

BASIC LOGIC: SOMEONE IS LYING.

this is why at times i do much better, everyone is trying to logic the entire game. when they dont think basic "someone is lying"

or better yet, bosco is disguised?

didnt i say someone is lying? bosko or the other 2. unless i fail to see something

i checked boscos disguiser confirmation

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

instead of trying to logic to how "this feedback must fit" or ANY OF THAT SHIT FOR ANY MANNER

go with this

A) someone is lying
B) there is a logcial way but is
-super complicated and trying to figure it out is a waste of fucking time
-the answer is so simple that we are making it more complicated then needed

or you can just do this

C) QUIT TRYING TO LOGIC SOMETHING AND THINK ILLOGICALY

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

didnt i say someone is lying? bosko or the other 2. unless i fail to see something

i checked boscos disguiser confirmation

confirming it still doesnt clear him, there have been fms where the code has been broken.

here how about this:

assume anything (and i mean ANYTHING) is possible right now

disguier, someone is lying, some magical break in OoO (unlikely), ect.

what do you think then. dont think "what is most logical conclusion" think "what is highly illogical but can still make sense"

the answer imo: disguiser figured the code

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

jesus, this is whats wrong with this site at times.

people try to logic the entire game and never try to think illogicaly or on basic logic. people just go "no thats so unlikely its impossible" and what happens? the most illogical thing they said was not possible happens or is the answer

[Jin]

jesus, this is whats wrong with this site at times.

people try to logic the entire game and never try to think illogicaly or on basic logic. people just go "no thats so unlikely its impossible" and what happens? the most illogical thing they said was not possible happens or is the answer

lol u r tarded

[Jin]

Guys I think the Warden broke. Can we get a new one?

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

lol u r tarded

lol k. go ahead and think that.


Guys I think the Warden broke. Can we get a new one?

Warden has been replaced with warden

this site is shit still, im gonna laugh if scums win this setup.

all people cared about is mecanics and getting a shiny pr.

im gonna go ahead and do this and just watch this spectical

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

i'm aware that it could be faked but it's ultra much work. it's unlikely as fuck and it's better to act on the more likey stuff

also 'someone lies' or 'bosco was disguised because someone broke his code' is just logical aswell, though the latter is unlikely. it would be illogical if you say both are sokka and bosko was busdriven

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

i'm aware that it could be faked but it's ultra much work. it's unlikely as fuck and it's better to act on the more likey stuff

thats the fatal flaw, ppl just go with whats more likely

also 'someone lies' or 'bosco was disguised because someone broke his code' is just logical aswell, though the latter is unlikely. it would be illogical if you say both are sokka and bosko was busdriven

bus driven is an impossiblity. things like those you can eliminate.

you agree its unlikely, but you dont dismiss it. the only way things can truly be solved at this point is really just drop it and go witht he basic assumption that someone lied or its some super highly unlikely thing (in which case could be explained by player/host)

[Jin]

bus driven is an impossiblity. things like those you can eliminate.

you agree its unlikely, but you dont dismiss it. the only way things can truly be solved at this point is really just drop it and go witht he basic assumption that someone lied or its some super highly unlikely thing (in which case could be explained by player/host)

The important thing is to make the logical associations: what do we find out if X flips Y? Make that for every case, create logical situations and we can win this with some mislynches. Going "lol I r tarded fuck logic" won't do shit.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

oh well i just had a closer look at boskos code. it's not real. sry to real bosko watching from graveyard, must be annoying to see them not figuring it out

i'll post proof soon

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

oh well i just had a closer look at boskos code. it's not real. sry to real bosko watching from graveyard, must be annoying to see them not figuring it out

i'll post proof soon

us not figuring it out i meant

[Guru Pathik]

why dont you want to answer this?
all i found is this
Sokka Encouragement:
You were Encouraged by Sokka! Tomorrow night you may take action twice, or utilize an ability you would not normally be capable of!

doesnt explain when exactly it is sent out. and citizens have no action


It was answered in the setup by use of the same mechanics that games run on. It does specifically say when it goes out, actually. Do citizens get feedback if role blocked? They don't have an action so it must not apply. Jesus Christ it is the same as every other game.
Feedbacks are feedbacks, what is the problem?
Order of Operations is order of Operations, what is the problem?

Players receive feedback for the actions that effect them if there is feedback attached to the action- check the feedback list. If it is there then it applies.
Order of Operations tells you when the action will occur and would tell you in what order they happen.

Fuck.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

here
http://s7.directupload.net/images/140326/bvpkkuue.png
on the left is the complete network. below it is the part of it. on the right sight i put them together.

you can clearly see the difference. the left one has much more lines. i highlighted some points where it is obvious
even the size of the points is incorrect, they're too big in the large version.

[Jin]

Oh I see, not bad KW. Now what do we do..

[Lao Beifong]

Do ppl get the feedback that they are charged, if they are charged through a visit of an other player?

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

oh i set the left mark wrong in the right picture, it should be lower

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

well i'm not so sure anymore, look at this

http://s14.directupload.net/images/140326/83txjrgk.png

it's his first one. it doesn't have all the lines either. it's a lot better though so i didn't notice it at first
seems like this code is just broken and we need bosko to explain it

[Guru Pathik]

Do ppl get the feedback that they are charged, if they are charged through a visit of an other player?

wut.

[Guru Pathik]

Do ppl get the feedback that they are charged, if they are charged through a visit of an other player?

This can not occur as described

[Jin]

well i'm not so sure anymore, look at this

http://s14.directupload.net/images/140326/83txjrgk.png

it's his first one. it doesn't have all the lines either. it's a lot better though so i didn't notice it at first
seems like this code is just broken and we need bosko to explain it
Dammit Busco, why did you pick this node network system.. >_>

[Lao Beifong]

Oh sry maybe i wrote it wrong i mean. If a schocked player visits someone does the target get schocked aswell and get feedback about it?

[Mai's Mother]

Havent read anything since last post yet except a request for explanation but Id like to apologize for my rage, its uncharacteristic of me

My code solution for the first one was Polar area in lateX. I expected only a handful to be able to solve it but I ddnt account for Wolfram Alpha

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

It was answered in the setup by use of the same mechanics that games run on. It does specifically say when it goes out, actually. Do citizens get feedback if role blocked? They don't have an action so it must not apply. Jesus Christ it is the same as every other game.
Feedbacks are feedbacks, what is the problem?
Order of Operations is order of Operations, what is the problem?

Players receive feedback for the actions that effect them if there is feedback attached to the action- check the feedback list. If it is there then it applies.
Order of Operations tells you when the action will occur and would tell you in what order they happen.

Fuck.


i dont get what you just wrote

where does it specifically say when it goes out?
i think citizens get feedback if roleblocked in most setups, but how can we know this also applies to a different role?
are you saying citizens dont get feedback if rolelbocked
this has nothing to do with order of operation actually
so you're saying players get feedback for actions that effect them. how does that effect a citizen? it wouldn't matter. but then you say "if there is feedback it applies." lol, contradict much? why not just yes or no instead of this unnecessary and inappropriate bullshit
someone else said too that you were ambiguous. i need a certain answer so i can exclude that possibility

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

Havent read anything since last post yet except a request for explanation but Id like to apologize for my rage, its uncharacteristic of me

My code solution for the first one was Polar area in lateX. I expected only a handful to be able to solve it but I ddnt account for Wolfram Alpha

em what?

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

The important thing is to make the logical associations: what do we find out if X flips Y? Make that for every case, create logical situations and we can win this with some mislynches. Going "lol I r tarded fuck logic" won't do shit.

trying to solve it at times leads to:

A) you solve it
B) a shit full of time being wasted

i lean the later at times and just let guts and instincts.

even logical associations can be wrong, thats why i disregard it a lot.

some things that work just cant exaclty be explained logicly. i dont care about explaining it 99% of the time or even try becasue in my mind and come the end of it. I would be right.

I say fuck logical explimations and how it should make sense for logic. i dont care about explainging my thoughts half of the time how i jump to my conclusions becasue ppl go "lol your tarted"

[Jin]

trying to solve it at times leads to:

A) you solve it
B) a shit full of time being wasted

i lean the later at times and just let guts and instincts.

even logical associations can be wrong, thats why i disregard it a lot.

some things that work just cant exaclty be explained logicly. i dont care about explaining it 99% of the time or even try becasue in my mind and come the end of it. I would be right.

I say fuck logical explimations and how it should make sense for logic. i dont care about explainging my thoughts half of the time how i jump to my conclusions becasue ppl go "lol your tarted"

Logical associations that are wrong are not logical associations. They would be illogical associations or assumptions.

[Mai's Mother]

Not saying guts and instinct are wrong all the time, it's how leads are created. But your inexplicable instinct that Im somehow scum is so easily shown to be wrong if you apply behaviorial analysis to your reasoning. True that my play might be layers of wifom as scum, but Occams Razor shines here. Im not skilled enough to pull that off.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

Not saying guts and instinct are wrong all the time, it's how leads are created. But your inexplicable instinct that Im somehow scum is so easily shown to be wrong if you apply behaviorial analysis to your reasoning. True that my play might be layers of wifom as scum, but Occams Razor shines here. Im not skilled enough to pull that off.

explain your code step by step. explain it so everyone here understands it. also explain how it should prove that you are not disguised.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

and solve your second code!

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

as to boskos network, apart from the additional lines and the point size, everything seems right. the distance from point to point are right and all lines in the small picture at least also exist in the full version.

i dont think he is disguised anymore, but it's possible. maybe his lover chit sang can confirm

[Kuei]

I'll devise a new brain wash test. I used the following website to generate the random node networks:

http://skanderkort.com/erdos_renyi_graph_generator_analyzer

I set it to 200 and .05 and generated a network based on that. Then I zoomed in a bunch, took a screenshot, zoomed out half way, took another screenshot then zoomed out almost all the way and took a third. I didn't realize it removed some lines when you zoomed in, not sure why it does that.


http://i.imgur.com/STILZ73.png

Ruuhr ahr ahhowww gruh row ow

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

well then i accept this, bosko is probably not our disguiser. (to solve the problem just cut it with paint etc instead of zooming)

btw why has bosko so much rep

[Mai's Mother]

explain your code step by step. explain it so everyone here understands it. also explain how it should prove that you are not disguised.

Thing is, I can't explain it so everyone understands it unless they understand some calculus
I'm not disguised, though. A disguiser would have a really shitty time trying to disguise as me.

[Kuei]

Ask yourself "If Bosco's claim that he didn't receive encouragement feedback is a lie, what does it accomplish?" If I'm the disguiser obviously I want you to lynch the real Sokka. Given my town cred I probably could've accomplished that through demagoguery. Why would I say something that would make people so sure I was a disguiser that they find a problem with my brainwash code that even I didn't see.

I have already posted my lovers chat code for the day, I'm still waiting for Chit Sang to either post his own code or post some of my bear code from the third second of code I gave him.


I'd been saving this for a while because I wanted to see who would defend who.

I think that Dock is fake claimer, that they both said they encouraged me is an awefully big coincidence and its likely that Xu is Azula and Dock is desperate to not let his teams only night kill get lynched. He assumed I was encouraged when I didn't counter-claim Mai's Mother's claim that he encouraged me. The only other person that could verify MM's claim is dead. So Dock had to include me as his N1 encourage. As for Bushi, he intended to have Bushi claim he was never encouraged so that he could claim disguiser on Bushi. While not required for the previous guesses, if they DO have a tailor its likely they want to lynch bushi over Sokka/MM so that the tailor has time to make Dock flip Sokka(for when we lynch him after Bushi flips town) and then lead a lynch on the living Sokka

http://i.imgur.com/AGmTPzO.png

bowchickawowwow

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

Thing is, I can't explain it so everyone understands it unless they understand some calculus
I'm not disguised, though. A disguiser would have a really shitty time trying to disguise as me.

well then explain it so at least those who know maths understand it.
and solve the second one.

[Lao Beifong]

Well since the host doesnt say anything i think eh understood my first question so kuei wouldnt have gotton feedback if Mais mother visited and charged him through that, wich would have confirmed MMs side for sure, althought i think dock is the one we search, since he has 2 not confirmed claims. I think i can say that bosco didnt got the encouragement because of his role change or it might be aswell possible that he got it on one acc but not on the other since Kuei and Bosco are 2 different accounts as it seems (he postquoted or whatever as kuei already at d2 and now he does the same thing with bosco) wich led me to this conclusion so I think dock is the way to go. Still if he is sokka MM is a free scum lynch, since they both claimed sokka it can only be one of them, aswell I favour MM a bit since he was the only one so far that i look like town.^^ And i think it would be to much of a coincidence if one of them would actually be jester and that the tailor dressed Lo n1 as jester. Dock

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

Ask yourself "If Bosco's claim that he didn't receive encouragement feedback is a lie, what does it accomplish?" If I'm the disguiser obviously I want you to lynch the real Sokka. Given my town cred I probably could've accomplished that through demagoguery. Why would I say something that would make people so sure I was a disguiser that they find a problem with my brainwash code that even I didn't see.

I have already posted my lovers chat code for the day, I'm still waiting for Chit Sang to either post his own code or post some of my bear code from the third second of code I gave him.


I'd been saving this for a while because I wanted to see who would defend who.

I think that Dock is fake claimer, that they both said they encouraged me is an awefully big coincidence and its likely that Xu is Azula and Dock is desperate to not let his teams only night kill get lynched. He assumed I was encouraged when I didn't counter-claim Mai's Mother's claim that he encouraged me. The only other person that could verify MM's claim is dead. So Dock had to include me as his N1 encourage. As for Bushi, he intended to have Bushi claim he was never encouraged so that he could claim disguiser on Bushi. While not required for the previous guesses, if they DO have a tailor its likely they want to lynch bushi over Sokka/MM so that the tailor has time to make Dock flip Sokka(for when we lynch him after Bushi flips town) and then lead a lynch on the living Sokka

http://i.imgur.com/AGmTPzO.png

bowchickawowwow

makes sense to me. so lynch who? xu?

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

if one disguises as someone who is charged, what happens to the charge

pls answer this too

[Lao Beifong]

I agree with Kuei here, aswell Xu seems definetly suspiciounes, but i would go for Dock now, because of the event we need a save lynch wich i think we can Dock count now as one.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

Ask yourself "If Bosco's claim that he didn't receive encouragement feedback is a lie, what does it accomplish?" If I'm the disguiser obviously I want you to lynch the real Sokka. Given my town cred I probably could've accomplished that through demagoguery. Why would I say something that would make people so sure I was a disguiser that they find a problem with my brainwash code that even I didn't see.

I have already posted my lovers chat code for the day, I'm still waiting for Chit Sang to either post his own code or post some of my bear code from the third second of code I gave him.


I'd been saving this for a while because I wanted to see who would defend who.

I think that Dock is fake claimer, that they both said they encouraged me is an awefully big coincidence and its likely that Xu is Azula and Dock is desperate to not let his teams only night kill get lynched. He assumed I was encouraged when I didn't counter-claim Mai's Mother's claim that he encouraged me. The only other person that could verify MM's claim is dead. So Dock had to include me as his N1 encourage. As for Bushi, he intended to have Bushi claim he was never encouraged so that he could claim disguiser on Bushi. While not required for the previous guesses, if they DO have a tailor its likely they want to lynch bushi over Sokka/MM so that the tailor has time to make Dock flip Sokka(for when we lynch him after Bushi flips town) and then lead a lynch on the living Sokka

http://i.imgur.com/AGmTPzO.png

bowchickawowwow

are you saying you have indeed been encouraged?

well safe lynch makes sense so let's go for
Dock

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

i trust mother over dock because of their behaviour. dock was on my scum list all game and mais mother is on the town list after yesterday

[Kuei]

makes sense to me. so lynch who? xu?

I think we should go with Dock. I'm not 100% confident in my assertion and the important thing about today is that it can let us verify whether Dock is Sokka or Tailored to Appear as Sokka. This is because if Dock flips Sokka but the end of the day RP does not remove Aangs meeting powers we will know he was tailored. The the end of the day RP removes Aang's meeting powers we will know for certain that Dock was not tailored and that

Dock


are you saying you have indeed been encouraged?

well safe lynch makes sense so let's go for
Dock

No, I did not receive any feedback about encouragement. Hosts, if you read this and think "I don't understand why Bosco is lying" check to make sure you sent me the feedback because I doubt both MM and Dock are lying and I definitely never got any PM from you that could possibly even be construed as encouragement feedback.


http://i.imgur.com/6yKeKDm.png

REREEREEEEEEEE WUBUBUBUBUBBU UUUUUUUU HUUUU EEEEEE

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

probably citizens just don't get feedback about encourage in this setup and host doesnt want to answer to troll me...

well since disguiser was obviously tailored i doubt that dock was tailored. but one of it could have been made before already. but i don't think they planned that dock should claim sokka, because they didnt know sokka would claim. but yes we will see because of aang.

well if you really didnt get feedback, then they're both lying probably. either way, dock is scum. i trust mother over him, though mother might have been disguised.

[Chit Sang]

what if dock has been blackmailed into fake claiming sokka?

[Jin]

what if dock has been blackmailed into fake claiming sokka?

If anything then that couldn't've been the main purpose because we got to Sokka claiming by looking at the night actions and deciding that he should make himself known and so forth..

[Guru Pathik]

Oh sry maybe i wrote it wrong i mean. If a schocked player visits someone does the target get schocked aswell and get feedback about it?

No.



i dont get what you just wrote

where does it specifically say when it goes out?
i think citizens get feedback if roleblocked in most setups, but how can we know this also applies to a different role?
are you saying citizens dont get feedback if rolelbocked
this has nothing to do with order of operation actually
so you're saying players get feedback for actions that effect them. how does that effect a citizen? it wouldn't matter. but then you say "if there is feedback it applies." lol, contradict much? why not just yes or no instead of this unnecessary and inappropriate bullshit
someone else said too that you were ambiguous. i need a certain answer so i can exclude that possibility

Hosts will no longer be answering questions that require mundane and simple understanding of basic game mechanics. Feedbacks operate like feedbacks.
Order of Operations operate like Order of Operations.

This is true- Roles that give feedback when using their power give feedback when using that power.
This is false- Players read setups.


If one disguises as someone who is charged, what happens to the charge

The 'Charged' player is dead. The charge does not transfer and is lost.

[Kuei]

what if dock has been blackmailed into fake claiming sokka?

Damn it Chit, post something from our lovers chat to prove you haven't been disguised!

http://i.imgur.com/kTW5rFT.png

Grrrrr

[Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar]

I want to know whos my lover is. Who is arnold shortsnleghair?

Reading posts since I last posted, brb.

[Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar]

I would vote Dock, but he is L-2, so I am gonna keep my vote on Xu. I have some questions for him when he get on.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Mai's Mother:
N1 Encouraged Bosco/Kuei
N2 Encouraged Varrick
N3 Tracked KW#37
---
Varrick is tailored disguiser, kill not from Azula
Didn't solve all codes
Hints but refuse to identify power role visiting KW#37
Outed Zuko

Dock:
N1 Encouraged Bosco/Kuei
N2 -
N3 Encouraged Bushi
---
Varrick is tailored disguiser, kill not from Azula
Bushi is not PR
Seems to be defending Xu

[Friendly Mushroom]

Foo Foo Cuddlypoops

Give me your code to confirm that you are not disguised.

My code: Balloon

[Friendly Mushroom]

what if dock has been blackmailed into fake claiming sokka?

He would have claimed Sokka earlier, before MM, without waiting for Bushi.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Roles without night actions won't receive encourage feedbacks because encourage is not relevant for them (no night actions).

[Lao Beifong]

Hosts will no longer be answering questions that require mundane and simple understanding of basic game mechanics. Feedbacks operate like feedbacks.
Order of Operations operate like Order of Operations.

This is true- Roles that give feedback when using their power give feedback when using that power.


Basically means everyone should get feedback from sokka since he is supposed to give one, wich is pretty confuisoning, but didnt change the fact that one or even both sokka claims are fake will still go for dock thought atm.

[Guru Pathik]

Basically means everyone should get feedback from sokka since he is supposed to give one

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/283/gaijin4koma2_peersblog_1200684608.jpg


wich is pretty confuisoning.

http://media.ign.com/games/image/article/738/738102/gaijin4koma_peersblog_1200684654.jpg

[Li]

Holding off on voting dock due to L-2 and us having 18 hours remaining. I believe I'm read up as far as needed, and I don't have any feedback to report. Consider it a spiritual vote for Dock.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Team Avatar's Power Roles are dynamic and have secondary abilities- all
Earth Kingdom Citizens that take on Power Roles will have a secondary
night action that may be used on certain days.
Earth Kingdom RP names may use their power on nights following a lynch of Scum.
Water Tribe RP names may use their power on nights following a no lynch.
Air Nomad RP names may use their power on nights following a lynch of a Team Avatar member.
Fire Nation RP names may use their power on nights following a lynch they voted for.

Earth Kingdom RP names may use their power on nights following a lynch of Scum.
Since Team Avatar and Earth Kingdom Citizens are referred to in the previous sentence, may I know if applies both Team Avatar and Earth Kingdom Citizens, or Earth Kingdom Citizens only.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Teemo! Carries even with support build.

Aang:
Primary night action: Meet
Secondary night action: Airbend, Waterbend, Earthbend

Earth Kingdom Citizen (Architect)
Primary night action: {none}
Secondary night action: {none}
Note: Instead have Day action: Invite

Earth Kingdom Citizen
Primary night action: {none}
Secondary night action: {none}

Earth Kingdom Citizen (Bodyguard)
Primary night action: {none}
Secondary night action: Guard

[Guru Pathik]

Earth Kingdom RP names may use their power on nights following a lynch of Scum.
Since Team Avatar and Earth Kingdom Citizens are referred to in the previous sentence, may I know if applies both Team Avatar and Earth Kingdom Citizens, or Earth Kingdom Citizens only.

What?

[Friendly Mushroom]

Sorry. Bad phrasing.

Earth Kingdom RP names may use their power on nights following a lynch of Scum.

Are you referring to Earth Kingdom Citizens only or Team Avatar (Earth Kingdom Citizens + Aang et al.)

[Friendly Mushroom]

Assuming, EITHER MM or Dock scum, without understanding the mechanics...

I can say that Dock is lying. Assuming that Mai's mother and Dock are Earth Kingdom RP names...

[Guru Pathik]

Sorry. Bad phrasing.

Earth Kingdom RP names may use their power on nights following a lynch of Scum.

Are you referring to Earth Kingdom Citizens only or Team Avatar (Earth Kingdom Citizens + Aang et al.)

"RP" name is meant to imply the Power Roles that have Earth Kingdom flavor names. This being Town that have been enhanced by Aang and acquired a name in the Earth Kingdom list in the setup.

[Friendly Mushroom]

"RP" name is meant to imply the Power Roles that have Earth Kingdom flavor names. This being Town that have been enhanced by Aang and acquired a name in the Earth Kingdom list in the setup.

Ugh... it doesn't include Aang, Soraka et al, then...

Then I can only guess giving roles without night actions encourage feedback is retarded. Just like telling an escort immune to roleblock "you are roleblocked".

[Friendly Mushroom]

Do citizens get feedback if role blocked? They don't have an action so it must not apply. Jesus Christ it is the same as every other game.


Derp apparently host already replied.

Kuei won't be receiving any feedback. Bushi won't too if Bushi do not have night actions.

[Guru Pathik]

Derp apparently host already replied.

Kuei won't be receiving any feedback. Bushi won't too if Bushi do not have night actions.

That is the text you chose? You decided to ignore all the instances of "They always receive feedback... everyone if a role would give it. Like literally always. I'm being vague because i'm telling you THERE IS ALWAYS FEEDBACK!"

holy fuck

[Friendly Mushroom]

Do citizens get feedback if role blocked?
Saw encouraged instead. Heh.

[Guru Pathik]

EVERYONE WILL GET FEEDBACK FROM A SOKKA ENCOURAGE. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE ROLE TO GIVE TRACK-ABLE FEEDBACK FOR ITS ACTION. THE ROLE OF SOKKA GIVES THE FEEDBACK. WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THE ROLE RECEIVING IT CHANGE IT UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED? Please find anywhere in which any separation was made at all ever, like seriously, by a host.

Ok? Direct answer.

[Mai's Mother]

I'm back. Let's discuss stuff to derail, bad shit happens when host is mad.

Dock's scum, Xu is probably scum with him, leaving UNFBA or Li as final scum

[Friendly Mushroom]

If Kuei spoke the truth, then MM and Dock are lying
If Dock spoke the truth, then MM, Kuei and Bushi are lying
If MM spoke the truth, then Kuei and Dock are lying
If Bushi spoke the truth then Dock is lying

Dock contradicts Kuei, Bushi and MM
Kuei contradicts Dock and MM
Bushi contradicts Dock
MM contradicts Kuei and Dock

If Varrick was charged N2 but kept silent, then MM should be dead N2 and Kuei/WPR is lying today...

Kuei check your Bosco account!

[Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar]

EVERYONE WILL GET FEEDBACK FROM A SOKKA ENCOURAGE. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE ROLE TO GIVE TRACK-ABLE FEEDBACK FOR ITS ACTION. THE ROLE OF SOKKA GIVES THE FEEDBACK. WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THE ROLE RECEIVING IT CHANGE IT UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED? Please find anywhere in which any separation was made at all ever, like seriously, by a host.
Shouldve said this in the first place instead of being vague. There are always some noobs or annoying players asking stupid questions. Dont let anger take over you. Customers is always right.

[Friendly Mushroom]

I'm back. Let's discuss stuff to derail, bad shit happens when host is mad.

Dock's scum, Xu is probably scum with him, leaving UNFBA or Li as final scum

You conveniently ignored Kuei... who said he got no feedback.

[Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar]

If Kuei spoke the truth, then MM and Dock are lying
If Dock spoke the truth, then MM, Kuei and Bushi are lying
If MM spoke the truth, then Kuei and Dock are lying
If Bushi spoke the truth then Dock is lying

Dock contradicts Kuei, Bushi and MM
Kuei contradicts Dock and MM
Bushi contradicts Dock
MM contradicts Kuei and Dock

If Varrick was charged N2 but kept silent, then MM should be dead N2 and Kuei/WPR is lying today...

Kuei check your Bosco account!

Theyre the same exact account. The admin just changed the name and the player changed the avatar.

[Mai's Mother]

You conveniently ignored Kuei... who said he got no feedback.

I hide feedback all the time, so?

[Mai's Mother]

though it is strange how he's hiding it. literally no reason to

[Friendly Mushroom]

though it is strange how he's hiding it. literally no reason to

And he voted Dock but not you. Strange.

[Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar]

I'm back. Let's discuss stuff to derail, bad shit happens when host is mad.

Dock's scum, Xu is probably scum with him, leaving UNFBA or Li as final scum

Do you really think I'm scum? Day 3: I was one of the early Zuko voter before his role got revealed. I started the bw on Mai's father, and here I am, voting Xu.

[Mai's Mother]

I'm not gonna try to hide my happiness that you guys did the rational thing and chose to lynch Dock. You won't regret it, though it does sign my death warrant. I'll most likely track Xu.

And no, I don't really think so, but you haven't been as pseudoconfirmed as the other Town reads so I have to leave you open as a possibility.

[Guru Pathik]

Shouldve said this in the first place instead of being vague. There are always some noobs or annoying players asking stupid questions. Dont let anger take over you. Customers is always right.

No they aren't. The customer is wrong, stupid, rude, and needs educating. It was answered; what some called, 'vaguely' because it was a blatant as fuck answer. It was actually answered incredibly directly as well.
If someone says "Do citizens get feedback if...?" and someone says "All roles would get feedback if..." then the question has been answered.
Everyone that got it wrong that has played more than 1 S-FM is an idiot, plain and simple.

[Friendly Mushroom]

If someone says "Do citizens get feedback if...?" and someone says "All roles would get feedback if..." then the question has been answered.
Everyone that got it wrong that has played more than 1 S-FM is an idiot, plain and simple.

We idiots don't understand long answers. Simple yes or no is easier to understand.

[Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar]

No they aren't. The customer is wrong, stupid, rude, and needs educating. It was answered; what some called, 'vaguely' because it was a blatant as fuck answer. It was actually answered incredibly directly as well.
If someone says "Do citizens get feedback if...?" and someone says "All roles would get feedback if..." then the question has been answered.
Everyone that got it wrong that has played more than 1 S-FM is an idiot, plain and simple.

Calm down host... Jeez.

[Mai's Mother]

Everyone please make a list of who you believe to be Town and Scum. Color in everyone.

Copy and paste this list:

Bosco
Bushi
Chit Sang
Dock
Foo Foo Cuddlypoops
Friendly Mushroom
Jin
Kyoshi Warrior #37
Lao Beifong
Li
Mai's Mother
Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar
Warden (Prison Rig)
Xu

This is incredibly helpful for how little effort it takes, and it'd help by revealing insight and common trends in who we believe to be scum.

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

Hey host, if i find a setup where a feedback would be known to one but not another does that count? Or is that what your asking? 100% serious question. im about 99% sure i can find a setup.

[Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar]

Hey host, if i find a setup where a feedback would be known to one but not another does that count? Or is that what your asking? 100% serious question. im about 99% sure i can find a setup.

Lol

[Mai's Mother]

Hey host, if i find a setup where a feedback would be known to one but not another does that count? Or is that what your asking? 100% serious question. im about 99% sure i can find a setup.

hey bud sorry for the rage earlier. don't reply to this, just accept the apology. :blink1:

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

hey bud sorry for the rage earlier. don't reply to this, just accept the apology. :blink1:

I didnt care about the rage, really it was the most entertaing part of this m-fm i have had so far. it caused quite a bit of dicussion during the downtime. im gonna go look back at it and respond to stuff.

things like those is what i enjoy.

Btw host:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/16760-M-FM-XV-The-Jesters

In that game town-aligned jesters were not informed.

even the host points it out in post 655 how they found a town jester

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

I didnt care about the rage, really it was the most entertaing part of this m-fm i have had so far. it caused quite a bit of dicussion during the downtime. im gonna go look back at it and respond to stuff.

things like those is what i enjoy.

Btw host:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/16760-M-FM-XV-The-Jesters

In that game town-aligned jesters were not informed.

even the host points it out in post 655 how they found a town jester

of bus driving by mafia driver

[Guru Pathik]

Hey host, if i find a setup where a feedback would be known to one but not another does that count? Or is that what your asking? 100% serious question. im about 99% sure i can find a setup.

Are they. .. specified to be revealed to one and not the other?
They either are specified to do so, which would not apply, or they are not specified to do so, and would not do so. The latter also not applying. In the case of this game there is no specification and it does not do so.

Please feel free to find a setup that doesn't tell you this difference. Would be pretty hard to look for something that finding would make immediately useless to your cause.

Congratulations, you probably don't even understand why you're dumb.

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

Logical associations that are wrong are not logical associations. They would be illogical associations or assumptions.

I'm kinda lost what you exactly mean here.


Not saying guts and instinct are wrong all the time, it's how leads are created. But your inexplicable instinct that Im somehow scum is so easily shown to be wrong if you apply behaviorial analysis to your reasoning. True that my play might be layers of wifom as scum, but Occams Razor shines here. Im not skilled enough to pull that off.

I can agree to that. Its more of when you start attacking the player themself and not the playstlye that it becomes diffrent.

I almost always follow my guts/instinct to very end.

If im wrong, im wrong. If im right, im right.

think of it more like this: i trust no one but myself and what is host/mod-confirmed. if i was more serious about this game i would of looked into you sooner.

ive reached a point in the game where if everything is really as the setup is (mais legion being 3 and rest town) then what i think should just be ignored (like it has been).

i mean post game, there is one thing om gonna point out that i found quickly if i am right about it

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

I have played games where my guts adn instince pegged everything (begining game and end game)

I have played games where my guts and insticnts have failed me horribly (beggining game and end game)

its how i roll and how i play. if you hate it, fine with me. sometimes, the best way to show how someone is wrong is to take a diffrent approach.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Teemo! Carries even with support build.

Aang:
Primary night action: Meet
Secondary night action: Airbend, Waterbend, Earthbend

Earth Kingdom Citizen (Architect)
Primary night action: {none}
Secondary night action: {none}
Note: Instead have Day action: Invite

Earth Kingdom Citizen
Primary night action: {none}
Secondary night action: {none}

Earth Kingdom Citizen (Bodyguard)
Primary night action: {none}
Secondary night action: Guard

This is nonsense. Ignore it.

Also it means that Kuei and another ability that he has yet to reveal.

[Friendly Mushroom]

I'm kinda lost what you exactly mean here.
"Logic" may fail because of wrong assumptions.

Statement: You should drink more water to stay healthy.
Wrong assumption: Drink more water = better
Leading to: Drank 50 liters of water per day and got dilutional hyponatremia.

[Friendly Mushroom]

lol Li doesn't even bother to post.

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

"Logic" may fail because of wrong assumptions.

Statement: You should drink more water to stay healthy.
Wrong assumption: Drink more water = better
Leading to: Drank 50 liters of water per day and got dilutional hyponatremia.

ok i think that makes more sense. im still feel slightly confused but feel like i have a general understanding.

let me put it like this (hypothetical just kinda go with it, if it need claification i can try)

statement: mai's mother could be scum
assumption: massive bussing/WIFOM/town leader
leading to: mais mom is scum

however the flaw mais mom stated is that "im not that experince to pull something like that"

would it be a wrong assumption? or would it just be a possible assumption but just fall to the "highly unlikely" catagory

[Friendly Mushroom]

You are in the right direction. But the initial statement is more of an imcomplete/simplified/myopic observation or fact. So I would rather put it like this.

Statement: MM is bussing/WIFOM etc.
Assumption: Scum players (experienced ones) bus/WIFOM etc.
Leading to: Conclude that MM is scum

Possible flaw: MM is not that experienced.

So MM is attacking your assumption. If you assumption is false then your conclusion will be less likely.
You could bolster your argument with MM found Zuko, which suggest that MM might not be that inexperienced.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Did the disguiser receive his target's account as it is?

Disguiser might get additional information from his target's PM, thus knowing the target's role, night actions, lover chat, etc.

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

You are in the right direction. But the initial statement is more of an imcomplete/simplified/myopic observation or fact. So I would rather put it like this.

Statement: MM is bussing/WIFOM etc.
Assumption: Scum players (experienced ones) bus/WIFOM etc.
Leading to: Conclude that MM is scum

Possible flaw: MM is not that experienced.

So MM is attacking your assumption. If you assumption is false then your conclusion will be less likely.
You could bolster your argument with MM found Zuko, which suggest that MM might not be that inexperienced.

That makes sense.

continuing on this line though (or maybe another thing entirly)

isnt every assumption prone to flaws? the only confimations ways is really
A) mod/host-confimed

wait...

let me rethink the approach i think i am just misunderstanding now.

going back to the MM example you have:

MM attacking assumption=discrediting the assumption
however
any assumption can be true the only way to truly prove it is via mod/host. the rest is more of convincing others of the case/assumption?

[Friendly Mushroom]

I know where you are directing the conversation to...

Currently, the only confirmed answers are from mod/host. The rest are assumptions.

Assumptions of setups and mechanics.
Assumptions of player ability.
etc.

To ensure that everything is confirmed and noting all possibilities (from different assumptions) takes a lot of time. So I do not mind if players prefer to use their gut feeling.

However, calling one scum and ignoring the other is hypocrisy, thus very suspicious. Eg. Kuei.

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

I know where you are directing the conversation to...

Currently, the only confirmed answers are from mod/host. The rest are assumptions.

Assumptions of setups and mechanics.
Assumptions of player ability.
etc.

To ensure that everything is confirmed and noting all possibilities (from different assumptions) takes a lot of time. So I do not mind if players prefer to use their gut feeling.

However, calling one scum and ignoring the other is hypocrisy, thus very suspicious. Eg. Kuei.

I'm not really directing it (or trying to). we can save it for post game if its gonna do something, however i feel like i know what is going on now. but meh.

dock

lyanch doesnt occur till end of day i just noticed unless if host forgot to add a lynch counter

hostt confirm? reaching lynch count does not end day?

[Kuei]

If Kuei spoke the truth, then MM and Dock are lying
If Dock spoke the truth, then MM, Kuei and Bushi are lying
If MM spoke the truth, then Kuei and Dock are lying
If Bushi spoke the truth then Dock is lying

Dock contradicts Kuei, Bushi and MM
Kuei contradicts Dock and MM
Bushi contradicts Dock
MM contradicts Kuei and Dock

If Varrick was charged N2 but kept silent, then MM should be dead N2 and Kuei/WPR is lying today...

Kuei check your Bosco account!

Kuei and Bosco are the same account, Hosts just renamed it.

Pathik, try to understand that we're getting confusing info here. It doesn't make sense that two of (Bosco, Dock and MM) are lying which is why people are so caught up on that.

As tailor comes after long feng kills on OoO, will a tailor be able to dress a target on the same night it dies to long feng banishment?

http://i.imgur.com/q1HS1ML.png

Ruarruu Muraraooooo

[Lao Beifong]

Yeah to much confusing ehre, but as we already should all know now everyone gets feedback from sokka for sure, wich means dock is like 100% scum, since even 2 ppl dont confirm him, if he should be against all other thoughts sokka, it means MM and Bushi are scum and Kuei has some serious problems lol.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

No.



Hosts will no longer be answering questions that require mundane and simple understanding of basic game mechanics. Feedbacks operate like feedbacks.
Order of Operations operate like Order of Operations.

This is true- Roles that give feedback when using their power give feedback when using that power.
This is false- Players read setups.



The 'Charged' player is dead. The charge does not transfer and is lost.

you deliberately not answering my question just makes me assume there is some hidden mechanic. i did read the setup. it's not explained when feedback goes out. for example doc feedback goes out only if attacked too. if it's a 'basic game mechanic' then i dont know it, sorry for that and now pls answer. or what would you do if a new player asked it. in the setup i read all questions in green will be answered.
i've learned that you cant make any auto assumptions regarding the setup. it happens sometimes that it's wrong and there is some hidden mechanic in setup that no one even knew of. and hosts wouldn't correct us if everyone in day chat made a wrong assumption, until someone asks in green.
and if the answer is so simple then explain why.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

nvm just saw answer. of course i could assume the answer because of all the bullshit you wrote but still i wanted an explicit answer

[Guru Pathik]

you deliberately not answering my question just makes me assume there is some hidden mechanic. i did read the setup. it's not explained when feedback goes out. for example doc feedback goes out only if attacked too. if it's a 'basic game mechanic' then i dont know it, sorry for that and now pls answer. or what would you do if a new player asked it. in the setup i read all questions in green will be answered.
i've learned that you cant make any auto assumptions regarding the setup. it happens sometimes that it's wrong and there is some hidden mechanic in setup that no one even knew of. and hosts wouldn't correct us if everyone in day chat made a wrong assumption, until someone asks in green.
and if the answer is so simple then explain why.

Yes, all green will be answered. This may shock you but your question about citizens was answered. If you'd like to explain to me how what I said to you meant "Citizens receive no Encouragement feedback ever" then please do so. Other than that you can only conclude that an answer telling you that all situations are determined by the acting role; and not the target, would operate the same way.

37: do citizens receive feedback?
Host: all factors of feedback are determined by the acting role unless otherwise stated.

What does that response mean? It means the receiving players role doesn't matter unless otherwise stated.
What does 'otherwise stated' mean? It means if you are told about a difference there is a difference.
What does this imply? It implies that if you are NOT told then there is no factor.

feedback is determined by the giving role, not the receiving

Now- when you said "when does the feedback occur?" I was led to believe you meant in which order (like OoO) due to your questions about Disguiser and Encouragement order. This question was not answered as I thought you were asking another one. My apologies.
If your question is "under what circumstances does Sokka leave feedback?" the answer would be "every successful use of his Encouragement power" with role blocking or death or other effects being able to interfere. This answer can be understood by the setup as well but is reasonably less guaranteed.

[Mai's Mother]

hey guys

[Mai's Mother]

im retarded

[Mai's Mother]

checked my sent mail, I encouraged Bushi n1, not Bosco

[Mai's Mother]

My deepest apologies for causing the shitstorm

[Mai's Mother]

I'm embarrassed

[Kuei]

MM, please explain your code so at the very least people who know calculus can confirm that no one else could figure out your code, or that you really did post a unique solution to your code.

Chit Sang, PLEASE POST SOME OF MY BEAR-CODE FROM SECTION THREE OF MY CODE CHART SO I CAN BE SURE YOU AREN'T DISGUISED.


Did the disguiser receive his target's account as it is?

Disguiser might get additional information from his target's PM, thus knowing the target's role, night actions, lover chat, etc.

Feel free to wait for Pathik to respond but I asked Slaol this pre-game and he said they delete all PMs before transferring accounts for brainwash, not sure if the same holds for disguiser.

I explicitly asked him if Long Feng would know his brain washed targets role and he said no.

http://i.imgur.com/7idRPFV.png

Ruarruu Muraraooooo

[Jin]

checked my sent mail, I encouraged Bushi n1, not Bosco

lul

PLX CONFIRMUS MAXIMUS

[Mai's Mother]

The code I produced gives the graph:
http://www4b.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP34691adef274g9dbah9100001ha899cgeb026b02?MSPSto reType=image/gif&s=54&w=300.&h=238.&cdf=Animation for a = 1.
If you put a = any other constant, you'd see that the graph essentially keeps the same shape and theta still remains from 0 to 2pi. So a is arbitrary.

The solution to the curve was the area within the cardioid graph. That's the solution because there's nothing else to do with 1 polar equation, save convert it into Cartesian form but I didn't think of that plot hole til too late.
KW already confirmed the area was correct, iirc

[Friendly Mushroom]

Then it should be the same for disguiser. Good.

If Bushi confirms then it means Dock scum, or MM and Bushi scum


Foo Foo where are you?

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

checked my sent mail, I encouraged Bushi n1, not Bosco
bushi confirm pls

My deepest apologies for causing the shitstorm
well at least it confirmed dock as scum who caught up on it when he countered your claim

we have to be careful though. we know mafia has tailor and disguiser. what if they tailored mai's father n1 or n2? it seems plausible because they charged him and planned to kill him. that would mean long feng is still alive and dock might just be brainwashed.

[Bushi]

I'm not really sure what's going on today, but I never received any feedback about being encouraged. Not night 1, not last night, not ever.

As far as I'm concerned MM and Dock could both be scum. Or perhaps one is just brainwashed. Or maybe I'm the scum and I just like making contradictory claims for the fun of it ^.^

Really you'll just have to lynch someone to find out.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Azula's faction does not start with a night chat, and Mai and Ty Lee do not know their roles to start. On nights 1 and 2 Azula will select Mai or Ty Lee to join her night chat and learn their role power.

So... Azula selected Mai or Ty Lee on N1 and N2...

Did Mai and Ty Lee join on N1 and N2, or N2 or N3?

Since Lo the Jester died on N2,


14. Kills
a. Azula Charges, Long Feng Banishment, Earth Bending

b. Blacksmith guns, Bodyguard, Veteran, Vigilante, Technician Sabotage
15. Miscellaneous (Slow)
a. Sokka Encourage, Tailor Dresses, Blacksmith Arms/Armor, Disguiser Slow Disguise


and tailoring is after Long Feng Banishment, it si important to know if Mai or Ty Lee know their roles and join earliest on N1, or N2.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

No they aren't. The customer is wrong, stupid, rude, and needs educating. It was answered; what some called, 'vaguely' because it was a blatant as fuck answer. It was actually answered incredibly directly as well.
If someone says "Do citizens get feedback if...?" and someone says "All roles would get feedback if..." then the question has been answered.
Everyone that got it wrong that has played more than 1 S-FM is an idiot, plain and simple.

LOL. nice ad hominem. you should know better about my intelligence and education. maybe sometimes i rush out questions before i look at all the information i have like the setup, but not this time.
and i sure wasn't rude, you were with your answers.
it was not blatant at all, it was indeed ambiguous. even if it was just ambiguous for me because of my broken english, but i doubt it (and even then it's your task to state it more explicit so i can understand too).
of course i was almost sure that citizens would get feedback aswell, and i was even more sure after your ambiguous rage answers but i didnt know for certain. just because it applies in other setups usually, doesn't mean it applies here. one could easily host a game where citizens don't get roleblock feedback and he wouldn't be required to write anything about it as long as he doesnt write citizens do get feedback. then you had your example. and the answers didnt make it confirmed to me. you even contradicted your final answer like 2 times. feedbacks are feedbacks is no answer, it's a tautology. like if it rains then it rains.
i asked so i would know it for certain, so it's confirmed. anything is possible in a setup. you never know, even if the answer is logical or implied by some bullshit vague answer. especially in this case it was important, because we had a situation i didnt understand that so one of the following assumptions MUST be wrong, it might aswell have been the underlined one:

- assumption: town wouldnt fake claim sokka
- assumption: scums wouldnt counter claim each other
- assumption: real sokka would counter claim both (assuming he's not dead because disguiser)
=> conclusion: one is really sokka, one lies

- assumption: bosko isn't disguised because code and wouldn't lie because confirmed town and no reason to
- assumption now fact: feedback is dealt no matter what role
- assumption: host didn't error
- assumption: busdriver didn't interfere because no busdriving feedback claimed by bosco
- assumption: no sokka claimer was roleblocked because no feedback claimed
- fact: no witch or other redirectors in this setup
- assumption: no feedback rob because dai lee are dead and had mortician (assuming also no tailor tailored them because how would they know who will be lynched) and bosko received his aang visit feedback too/wouldnt be able to guess sokka so the claimers would have gotten their rb feedback later
- assumption: no one brainwashed because long feng is dead (assuming not tailored)
=> conclusion: both sokka claimers lie => contradiction so at least one assumption is wrong (btw in this case we don't even know if the mafia really has disguiser and taylor, because it's possible real sokka encouraged azula indeed


it's simple logic. with the answer i could eliminate that this assumption is wrong so it's no more an assumption.

it's a simple principle: players ask question, host answers explicitly. in every setup (another thing that's not as usual here). no matter how obvious or dumb the question is. yes it was obvious but that doesnt mean it's dumb. dumb is only to ask question which are explicitly stated in the setup.
and i wasn't going to stop until i had an explicit answer, also as a matter of principle.


here is another simple logic
fact: nothing written in setup
fact: unclear answers
assumption: everything is possible in setups
conclusion: asking question is necessary
fact: host must answer all necessary questions
conclusion: host should just answer question instead of shitting around

i hope you understand now that everything is possible and why we need to know such things for certain and why every question should be answered (explicitly) if it's not stated in the setup




Yes, all green will be answered. This may shock you but your question about citizens was answered. If you'd like to explain to me how what I said to you meant "Citizens receive no Encouragement feedback ever" then please do so.


let's see what you wrote after the question.
#965 Feedback is given upon completion of an effect that has matching feedback.
this would have satisfied my question if it was directed to me, but it was directed to #963 where lao asked "Do people get feedback about being encouraged?", where the answer was indeed in the setup

then in #970 i repeated a question from someone else you didnt answer
If the disguiser's target gets encouraged on the same night the disguiser disguises, will the disguiser receive the encourage, or is the encourage just lost to the graveyard?"

it's actually just a matter of what's first in the OoO, but in the OoO both actions were at the same time (15a) that's why we asked this.
you answered in #973

i reasked my citizen question in #1003, because it was never answered.
then you linked the setup in #1004
then i informed you the setup doesnt answer it in #1006

then #1019
It was answered in the setup by use of the same mechanics that games run on. It does specifically say when it goes out, actually. Do citizens get feedback if role blocked? They don't have an action so it must not apply. Jesus Christ it is the same as every other game.
Feedbacks are feedbacks, what is the problem?
Order of Operations is order of Operations, what is the problem?

Players receive feedback for the actions that effect them if there is feedback attached to the action- check the feedback list. If it is there then it applies.
Order of Operations tells you when the action will occur and would tell you in what order they happen.

Fuck.
you just referred to basic game mechanics, but i dont know what you mean by that, it might be anything. i assumed you meant citizens do get feedback but i wasnt sure.
you compared it to rbing citizens (and you auto assumed we knew it is the same with encouragement but we didnt before you wrote this comparison and even with the comparison you didn't say it's the same here we just had to assume it) which imo gives feedback but then you said "it must not apply" (first contradiction)
then you say players only receive feedback if the action actually effects them and citizens are not effected because they cant act anyway (second contradiction) and if there is feedback for the action in the list (obviously)
my response in #1030
then you came up with #1053

Hosts will no longer be answering questions that require mundane and simple understanding of basic game mechanics. Feedbacks operate like feedbacks.
Order of Operations operate like Order of Operations.

This is true- Roles that give feedback when using their power give feedback when using that power.
This is false- Players read setups.

here you stated some tautologies and that you won't answer my question.
then you said in general roles with feedback give feedback. this can be seen as the first real answer, though it does not explicitly say what happens in this special case.
it remains unclear what you referred to by 'this is false'
i asnwered this before reading on in #1108

then #1062 made it even more obvious with the cheer picture but an explicit answer was still missing and was delivered in #1074 after you confused some other ppl with your answers
then #1085 inappropriate ad hominem, answer in this post


all factors of feedback are determined by the acting role unless otherwise stated.
you didnt say it like that. you first brought this up in the big yellow post

when i said "when" does the feedback occur i meant 'in which case' sry for bad english. thats why it had nothing to do with OoO

This answer can be understood by the setup
it can be assumed by the setup and other games.

[Friendly Mushroom]

To remove the possibility of neutral MM, Dock or Bushi.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

I'm not really sure what's going on today, but I never received any feedback about being encouraged. Not night 1, not last night, not ever.

As far as I'm concerned MM and Dock could both be scum. Or perhaps one is just brainwashed. Or maybe I'm the scum and I just like making contradictory claims for the fun of it ^.^

Really you'll just have to lynch someone to find out.

well then we're again at the beginning. let's just lynch dock then. tomorrow we'll see what happens. i definitely will make this disguiser code in case long feng is still alive or disguiser bushi was motivated by sokka dock, if that's true
http://s7.directupload.net/images/140327/yz7svdhg.png
tomorrow same picture without the yellow brush and the green textmarker

[Friendly Mushroom]

KW#37 is totally town.

So...

Varrick died because:
1) Disguiser+Tailor
2) Encouraged Azula (assuming Kuei and WPR didn't lie)

Since encourage is only for the following night, aka tomorrow night


Sokka - Master Tactician

At night you may Encourage a player,
empowering them to use their ability two times the following night, or
to use an ability they would not normally be free to use.


- Miscellaneous (Slow) -

Sokka Encouragement:

You were Encouraged by Sokka! Tomorrow night you may take action
twice, or utilize an ability you would not normally be capable of!

if 2) is true it must be N2 encourage for N3 quadruple charge.

And

MM
N1: Encourage Bushi
N2: Encourage Varrick
N3: Tracked KW#37

Dock
N1: Encourage Kuei/Bosco
N2: -
N3: Encourage Bushi

Either a dead guy, or no action

Thus 2) is highly unlikely unless the real Sokka is dead, which is even more unlikely.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

does mai/ty lee join at night start of n1 and n2 or at night end. can they already do their actions in the night they join?

[Friendly Mushroom]

Question: Who pushed for the lynch of Mai's Father? Assuming that Mai's Father was Tailored as Long Feng.

[Friendly Mushroom]

And please give me a gun so that I can shoot Li!

[Friendly Mushroom]

Death description for blacksmith gun pls.

[Lao Beifong]

Btw it would be really worth to know if anyone else except Kuei got already a Power role, only 1 kpn is alive so it shouldnt hurt to much to reveal. And btw the day will always run its 48 hours and only the hammer votes on a marshall reveal will lock the day, wich should mean we can still talk after lynching dock. q friendly Mushrrom: Someone wielding an impressively crafted weapon left you for dead last night.

[Friendly Mushroom]

On day post it was shown as...

Varrick (killed by Blacksmith gun)?
or
Varrick (killed by faction using the gun)?

[Foo Foo Cuddlypoops]

Sorry, things have been way too busy on my side. @Mushroom: The key for my code is at home. I should be able to post it before the end of the day.

Consider my vote on Dock, but I need a good reread. I haven't been following properly.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

The code I produced gives the graph:
http://www4b.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP34691adef274g9dbah9100001ha899cgeb026b02?MSPSto reType=image/gif&s=54&w=300.&h=238.&cdf=Animation for a = 1.
If you put a = any other constant, you'd see that the graph essentially keeps the same shape and theta still remains from 0 to 2pi. So a is arbitrary.

The solution to the curve was the area within the cardioid graph. That's the solution because there's nothing else to do with 1 polar equation, save convert it into Cartesian form but I didn't think of that plot hole til too late.
KW already confirmed the area was correct, iirc

of course the period always remains 2pi.

let's assume you calculated the area correctly which i didnt check, how does it prove you are you? anyone else could calculate that too. plus we don't even know that calculating the area of the polar plot is what you intended yesterday. you could do anything with that function.

and you still haven't solved the second one.

and no i did not confirm that yet.

[Friendly Mushroom]

1) Guys, Foo Foo is disguised.
2) He can access lover chat if he can access SC2Mafia, key at home is nonsense

[Guru Pathik]

let's see what you wrote after the question.
#965 Feedback is given upon completion of an effect that has matching feedback.
this would have satisfied my question if it was directed to me, but it was directed to #963 where lao asked "Do people get feedback about being encouraged?", where the answer was indeed in the setup

Both of these questions can be answered with the same clarification, as you have pointed out that this response satisfied your question. Thank you for acknowledging that your question was answered in the day thread within the post that immediately followed your own, and that the error was your own in assuming that it was directed at a different post and not your own- even disregarding for a moment that the questions were the same.

Heavily fed up with this- followups to this post in any place other than private message and anything other than explaining why you now see it as your fault will result in your modkill. Your question, as stated by you, was satisfied in the post immediately following your question. The customer is wrong.

[Guru Pathik]

does mai/ty lee join at night start of n1 and n2 or at night end. can they already do their actions in the night they join?

Start.
Yes.

[Guru Pathik]

Death description for blacksmith gun pls.

It will be specified as a blacksmith and can not be found in the graveyard at this time.

[Guru Pathik]

Did the disguiser receive his target's account as it is?

Disguiser might get additional information from his target's PM, thus knowing the target's role, night actions, lover chat, etc.

In the event of Disguiser, as well as ventriloquist, all information would be ripped off of the account.
Role, feedback, etc, would be removed.

[Guru Pathik]

Kuei and Bosco are the same account, Hosts just renamed it.

Pathik, try to understand that we're getting confusing info here. It doesn't make sense that two of (Bosco, Dock and MM) are lying which is why people are so caught up on that.

As tailor comes after long feng kills on OoO, will a tailor be able to dress a target on the same night it dies to long feng banishment?

http://i.imgur.com/q1HS1ML.png

Ruarruu Muraraooooo

A tailor would be capable of this yes.

[Guru Pathik]

I'm not really directing it (or trying to). we can save it for post game if its gonna do something, however i feel like i know what is going on now. but meh.

dock

lyanch doesnt occur till end of day i just noticed unless if host forgot to add a lynch counter

hostt confirm? reaching lynch count does not end day?

Host will not confirm, this one is specifically stated in the setup with 0 ambiguity and has been answered with the mechanics visible in the other day threads.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

Heavily fed up with this- followups to this post in any place other than private message and anything other than explaining why you now see it as your fault will result in your modkill.
wow calm your tits

will answer to this after game

[Friendly Mushroom]

So Jester, Long Feng, Dai Li Agent might still be alive.
Lo can be anything.
MF and RWM didn't post when they were voted, so either gamethrowing citizens or guilty scum.

If Long Feng is alive too much coincidence, and too much coordination.

Unless... Dock and Bushi are scum, with Bushi distancing MM.

Wait... Dock, Bushi and Xu had the same avatar... thankfully I changed mine. Won't get mislynched as their stooge lol.

If that is the case who is disguiser?

[Friendly Mushroom]

Last post

People I find suspicious:

MM, Kuei, Bushi and Dock for Sokka fiasco
MM, Foo Foo and Chit Sang for not responding to anti-disguiser questions.

[Lao Beifong]

Well, I can post the day night mechanics here short :
Hammer votes will never lock the day unless a Marshall reveals.
Days will be 48 hours.
All Days will run the full 48 hours.
Nights will be 24 hours.

If you dont understand it well I cant help you.^^

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

Well, I can post the day night mechanics here short :
Hammer votes will never lock the day unless a Marshall reveals.
Days will be 48 hours.
All Days will run the full 48 hours.
Nights will be 24 hours.

If you dont understand it well I cant help you.^^

Then by that case nobody should have any excuse to not be voting including you

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

nvm you are

[Foo Foo Cuddlypoops]

1) Guys, Foo Foo is disguised.
2) He can access lover chat if he can access SC2Mafia, key at home is nonsense

Are you stupid? The key to my code wasn't posted in my lover's chat, I made a new code and key every day. I put the solution in a notepad. I'm not sure what you're trying to do there.

I said I'd post it when I'm home, which will be before the end of the day. Not too sure what I can do to satisfy you.

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

Are you stupid? The key to my code wasn't posted in my lover's chat, I made a new code and key every day. I put the solution in a notepad. I'm not sure what you're trying to do there.

I said I'd post it when I'm home, which will be before the end of the day. Not too sure what I can do to satisfy you.

copy something or pharaphrase something from the lover chat then that should be possible

[Foo Foo Cuddlypoops]

Bacon.

If my lover is still alive, he'll confirm that I am still me.

Dock

[Jin]

Are you stupid? The key to my code wasn't posted in my lover's chat, I made a new code and key every day. I put the solution in a notepad. I'm not sure what you're trying to do there.

I said I'd post it when I'm home, which will be before the end of the day. Not too sure what I can do to satisfy you.

The thing that strikes me the most is that Mushroom is obviously awaiting a codeword as answer to his "Balloon" and in this quote you can see that Cuddlypoops doesn't refer to his lover code but, so it appears to me, to his disguiser code.

Let's see how this plays out.

[Lao Beifong]

Bacon.


Thats my boy, lol thought my lover is already dead. XD And yeah this confirms he is still himself.

[Friendly Mushroom]

I lied. I didn't log off at all. Just in case I'm the lynch target today lolol.

Jokes aside...

I think my lover is scum, and Foo Foo might not be my lover after all. Foo Foo should confirm his own code later.



Lover name: The Balloon

Posts from lover (skipped my own):


mornin sweetheart.

and with who do i owe this pleasure?


gots some code fer me?


Future Communication Potential.

I have a townread on Mai's Mother and not much else.

Thoughts? Are you claiming you are the friendly mushroom with your QT name?


Assuming you are the Friendly Mushroom, I was thinking we could code role-claims in case we want to communicate them in the daychat


Not before I know I can trust you.


We can discuss COMs here too. Would you like to do some of that?


If I want to communicate role, I will say AX, where X is 7 * the number of the role I am.

I am Foo Foo Cuddlypoops.

1 - Aang
2 - Katara
3 - Toph
4 - Sokka
5 - Citizen
6 - Architect
7 - Blacksmith
8 - Bodyguard
9 - BD
10 - Coroner
11 - Detective
12 - Doc
13 - Escort
14 - Sheriff (unknown)
15 - Sane Sheriff
16 - Insane sheriff
17 - Jailor
18 - Journalist
19 - Lookout
20 - Marshall
21 - Pai Sho
22 - Shaman
23 - Shaman
24 - Survivalist
25 - Technician
26 - Veteran
27 - Vigilante

unvote

[Friendly Mushroom]

Want to identify lover pairs?

[Friendly Mushroom]

Mai's Mother

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

i caught up and am lost.

Mai's Mother

im going back with guts as i said eariler. the counter wagon on the other sokka seems to fast for my likings. I prob wont be here for end of day so meh

[Foo Foo Cuddlypoops]

Thats my boy, lol thought my lover is already dead. XD And yeah this confirms he is still himself.

Then, mister Friendly Mushroom, your lover was impersonating me. I can understand why you were pushing so hard for me to show up now. A town would have absolutely no reason to impersonate someone else like this and cause this kind of chaos. Now, do you have any clues as to who your lover could be?

I already had Lao pinned down as my lover, he didn't exactly try to hide it :blink1:

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

my lover was prob cit also or afk scum

i shouted troll and he shouted back troll repsonse

i should go find it

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

ok basicly the person was sad we were lover cave 4 and not lover cave one if anyone wasts to step up and claim my name in there they can

[Friendly Mushroom]

Then, mister Friendly Mushroom, your lover was impersonating me. I can understand why you were pushing so hard for me to show up now. A town would have absolutely no reason to impersonate someone else like this and cause this kind of chaos. Now, do you have any clues as to who your lover could be?

I already had Lao pinned down as my lover, he didn't exactly try to hide it :blink1:

I could post the timestamps. But it's not my style to check for posting time.

In case your are Disguiser sharing chat with Lao, which is nigh impossible, because Bacon, but just to be safe, I look forward to your code solution.

[Friendly Mushroom]

03-17-2014
12:41 AM ET (US)
03-17-2014
10:50 AM ET (US)
03-17-2014
09:32 PM ET (US)
03-17-2014
11:11 PM ET (US)
03-18-2014
02:23 AM ET (US)
03-18-2014
02:24 AM ET (US)
03-18-2014
12:14 PM ET (US)

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

hm as i already said i was with waterbending master in cave 3

[Lao Beifong]

oh guys dont cahnge your votes at the end of the day, why do you think we dont have already more votes on dock and there are 3 ppl that want to lynch someone else, if the votes stay as they are we will lynch noone today, wich will definetly lead in a aang wich cant convert citizens anymore and leaves us still clueless, about who is telling the truth and who not. Wich is btw the thing that scum wants to reach atm. oh yeah and our cave was cave 1.

[Chit Sang]

Dock

[Lao Beifong]

To note is also that Xu (our suspiciounes azula) and Lurker Li (regardless that she posted today) havent voted at all.

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

atm dock is at l-0 exactly, unvoting wouldnt be such a good idea

[Lao Beifong]

atm dock is at l-0 exactly, unvoting wouldnt be such a good idea

Yeah thbnks to Chiet now, since warden voted for MM randomly 4 hours before the day ends.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Cave 7.

Posting time similar to Foo Foo. Hmm... a pro or Lao and current Foo scum.


Xu

Not that anyone else would be lynched.

[Friendly Mushroom]

Dock

Derp

[Foo Foo Cuddlypoops]

I could post the timestamps. But it's not my style to check for posting time.

In case your are Disguiser sharing chat with Lao, which is nigh impossible, because Bacon, but just to be safe, I look forward to your code solution.

Fair enough. I took some time to recalculate this, since I might not be home early enough in the end. I'm not feeling too creative with my codes this game, and I'm doing exactly what I said noone should do. I just added a few twists to it. Not like scum would be able to decipher those anyway.


FEAR -> FEAR
FOO -> OOF
FOO -> FOO
FOR -> ROF
FOO -> FOO
IS -> SI
DEATH -> DEATH
INCARNATE -> ETANRACNI

6-5-1-18 -> 6-5-1-18
6-15-15 -> 15-15-6
6-15-15 -> 6-15-15
6-15-18 -> 18-15-6
6-15-15 -> 6-15-15
9-19 -> 19-9
4-5-1-20-8 -> 4-5-1-20-8
9-14-3-1-18-14-1-20-5 -> 5-20-1-14-18-1-3-14-9
79 99 45 52 26 1 3 14 9

And divide this mess by 3 for extra protection, and you get this pile of shit.

2666485075377163

[Warden (Prison Rig)]

trolllololololol

dock

[Kuei]

Dock

http://i.imgur.com/V5YlzzN.jpg

[Mai's Mother]

4
?
03-18-2014
07:20 PM ET (US)
I see

3
RONNIE COLEMAN
03-16-2014
10:57 PM ET (US)
OH WE CAN CLAIM NAMES

RONNIE COLEMAN

2
RONNIE COLEMAN
03-16-2014
10:48 PM ET (US)
The fuck's this???

1
?
03-16-2014
09:08 PM ET (US)
Hi lover.

if only my lover wasn't worthless

[Lao Beifong]

4
?
03-18-2014
07:20 PM ET (US)
I see

3
RONNIE COLEMAN
03-16-2014
10:57 PM ET (US)
OH WE CAN CLAIM NAMES

RONNIE COLEMAN

2
RONNIE COLEMAN
03-16-2014
10:48 PM ET (US)
The fuck's this???

1
?
03-16-2014
09:08 PM ET (US)
Hi lover.

if only my lover wasn't worthless

I dunno why but i laughed my ass off that. :D

[Chit Sang]

http://i.imgur.com/V5YlzzN.jpg

is that a picture of Alec baldwin?

[Mai's Mother]

is that a picture of Alec baldwin?

Do you believe Unnamed Firebending Avatar is a Citizen?

Asking you specifically since you're about as green as him on my town/scum list.

[Lao Beifong]

Btw I think, since im a bit more active now, I may should do something for tommorow aswell so I will copy kueis method a bit with posting little parts of a picture and the complete one at the next day and i dont need to worry of a scum that is able to complete them, since they were specially made for me from a GFX-designer.
http://i.imgur.com/VitjuoV.png?1

[Chit Sang]

Do you believe Unnamed Firebending Avatar is a Citizen?

Asking you specifically since you're about as green as him on my town/scum list.

He is probably just a citizen. I do think Li is a scum if dock flips scum.

[Kuei]

is that a picture of Alec baldwin?

I confirm that Chit Sang is not disguised.

Who is ready for a massive active times data dump(set in eastern standard time)?

[Kuei]

I confirm that Chit Sang is not disguised.

Who is ready for a massive active times data dump(set in eastern standard time)?

http://i.imgur.com/HuxDHUI.gif

[Chit Sang]

Kyoshi Warrior #37

We are at L-2 People, L-2!

He is completely fine with putting kyoshi warrior at L2 when hammer is possible.



Holding off on voting dock due to L-2 and us having 18 hours remaining. I believe I'm read up as far as needed, and I don't have any feedback to report. Consider it a spiritual vote for Dock.

But he wont vote on dock when hammer isn't even possible. i think that's suspicious.

[Jin]

He is completely fine with putting kyoshi warrior at L2 when hammer is possible.




But he wont vote on dock when hammer isn't even possible. i think that's suspicious.
This is super true stuff. Hot daymn.

[Jin]

Also forgot to add this shit. MY NEW IMAGE

http://i.imgur.com/MZqkblQ.png

pimp slap ho skills

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

just for safety i'll also go with the part of a picture.
tomorrow i will post the whole picture (and also the old picture)
i figured the old picture can be faked to easily by simply editing the pixels
http://s1.directupload.net/images/140327/ddk7tphw.png

[Kuei]

Again quick summary. If I saw a person browsing the thread they got a 1 at that time on that day. 0s are times I'm unsure off, nights are marked as 0s as I didn't watch the thread then. The last in-game day is not recorded on the left side, instead its recorded on the right. In-game days start at 9pm(21:00:00) for me. I have recorded the current in-game day activity to the right to compare it to the rest of the game. Please suggest better ways to present the info I have recorded.

http://i.imgur.com/C03D2uS.png
http://i.imgur.com/Usg8BzH.png
http://i.imgur.com/qC99mO7.png
http://i.imgur.com/noAbPcm.png
http://i.imgur.com/7oSplZ5.png
http://i.imgur.com/ASMOzpO.png
http://i.imgur.com/rOPujKJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/DNr7Azb.png
http://i.imgur.com/wifQnYU.png
http://i.imgur.com/9LUbKLR.png
http://i.imgur.com/MM62UWq.png

http://i.imgur.com/WxykXAH.png

Trust me, you don't want it.

[Kuei]

http://i.imgur.com/Qiv7aIu.png

[Kyoshi Warrior #37]

dock not even posting anymore after we started to vote him makes the brainwashed theory more likely.
plus, i dont know if i pointed this out yet, it makes sense to tailor father because he was charged and the mafia planned to kill him
but it's to late now, we have to lynch. otherwise we'd lose aang convert power for sure and we wouldnt get information.

[Li]

He is completely fine with putting kyoshi warrior at L2 when hammer is possible.




But he wont vote on dock when hammer isn't even possible. i think that's suspicious.

...In one situation I was the vote that put it AT L-2, the second situation it was already there. Obviously L-2 is the cutoff point.

[Guru Pathik]

The machine clicked forward slowly easing its way into the wall. The Earth Kingdoms Terra team did what they could. Was it enough?

8

Hold for day end information.

[The Godfather]

Dock has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Dock ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12235') (10 [L--2]): Kuei ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433440'), Warden (Prison Rig) ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433602'), Bushi ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433329'), Mai's Mother ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433371'), Friendly Mushroom ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433600'), Chit Sang ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433595'), Kyoshi Warrior #37 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433438'), Jin ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433372'), Lao Beifong ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433434'), Foo Foo Cuddlypoops ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433581')
Xu ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12251') (1 [L-7]): Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433233')
Bushi ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12233') (1 [L-7]): Dock ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=433335')

[Guru Pathik]

And as the machine ticked into the wall it began to slow. A large crew of mighty Earth Benders emerged from the smoke, with a fatally wounded captive in hand. THE DRILL HAS BEEN STOPPED!

Dock, Mai the Disguiser was defeated inside the Drill

The team returned to the safety of the Walls ready to venture forth into the city of Ba Sing Secrets.


- Living Players -
Bosco / Kuei (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12232)
Bushi (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12233)
Chit Sang (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12234)
Foo Foo Cuddlypoops (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12236)
Friendly Mushroom (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12237)
Jin (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12238)
Kyoshi Warrior #37 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12239)
Lao Beifong (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12240)
Li (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12241)
Mai's Mother (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12244)
Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12247)
Warden (Prison Rig) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12250)
Xu (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12251)

- Graveyard -
Lo, the Cabbage Jester killed by Long Feng
Tyro, Zuko the Banished Prince slipped and fell in Serpent's Pass
Mai's Father, Long Feng the Master of the Dai Li drowned by the mob in Serpent's Pass
Roku's Waterbending Master, the Dai Li Mortician eaten by the serpent of Serpent's Pass
Warden (Boiling Rock), Toph the Blind Bandit left to die by Long Feng
Varrick, an Earth Kingdom Citizen killed by Azula's Legion
Dock, Mai the Disguiser was defeated inside the Drill

- Remaining Role List -
Azula
Ty Lee (Hidden Azula's Legion)
Aang
Katara
Sokka
Kuei the Marshall
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen


Night 4 will end at this time (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=8%3A00pm+GMT-5%2C+March+28th+2014)

[Guru Pathik]

Two members of the Earth Kingdom have fallen. Warden (Prison Rig) was simply minding his own business when Azula snuck up behind him and struck him with lightning. Li, another Earth Kingdom citizen had the misfortune of wandering into a vetaran's house, where he was mistaken for a hostile intruder and promptly killed.

Day 5 Event - The City of Walls and Secrets

Venturing forth into the City, the crew found themselves tracked and followed by many women all going by the name "Joo Dee". Which one was which?

All players must post from the Joo Dee account for the entirety of day 5. The password for this account has been pmed to all MFM accounts. Lynch votes for today will be submitted via PM to me.


- Living Players -
Bosco / Kuei (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12232)
Bushi (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12233)
Chit Sang (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12234)
Foo Foo Cuddlypoops (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12236)
Friendly Mushroom (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12237)
Jin (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12238)
Kyoshi Warrior #37 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12239)
Lao Beifong (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12240)
Mai's Mother (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12244)
Unnamed Fire Bending Avatar (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12247)
Xu (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12251)

- Graveyard -
Lo, the Cabbage Jester killed by Long Feng
Tyro, Zuko the Banished Prince slipped and fell in Serpent's Pass
Mai's Father, Long Feng the Master of the Dai Li drowned by the mob in Serpent's Pass
Roku's Waterbending Master, the Dai Li Mortician eaten by the serpent of Serpent's Pass
Warden (Boiling Rock), Toph the Blind Bandit left to die by Long Feng
Varrick, an Earth Kingdom Citizen killed by Azula's Legion
Dock, Mai the Disguiser was defeated inside the Drill
Li, an Earth Kingdom Citizen was killed by a Veteran
Warden (Prison Rig), an Earth Kingdom Citizen was electrocuted to death by Azula's Legion

- Remaining Role List -
Azula
Ty Lee (Hidden Azula's Legion)
Aang
Katara
Sokka
Kuei the Marshall
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen
Earth Kingdom Citizen



Day 5 will end at this time (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=8%3A00pm+GMT-5%2C+March+30th+2014)

[Joo Dee]

Mwrraaaaar Rraawr!
Hi Tailored Li/Azula and welcome to Ba Sing Se. I am Juu Dee, close friend of the Earth King.

http://media.giphy.com/media/IThjAlJnD9WNO/giphy.gif

[Joo Dee]

Joo Dee

[Joo Dee]

I'm sorry Friendly Mushroom, your petition for a public audience will be approved in about a month. That's much quicker than normal :)

[Joo Dee]

Citizen that visited a veteran yes for sure. Nice try tailor, well warden still got killed with lighting (Azula) though, wich means all charges are gone now.

[Joo Dee]

Citizen that visited a veteran yes for sure. Nice try tailor, well warden still got killed with lighting (Azula) though, wich means all charges are gone now.

RAAAWWRR

http://i.imgur.com/Ut8V7db.png

Joo Dee says that Azula's charges only clear on someone that would normally receive a lethal hit of electricity.

[Joo Dee]

Hi, everyone. I'm going to take this moment of anonymity to apologize on the behalf of the scum teams for us all having been just god damn horrible. I mean really. We sucked. Hard. If this game were a man, let's just say even he would have gotten tired of the sucking like, 4 FM days ago.

Regardless, I digress. As the sole remaining representative of the scum teams, I will say that I am being coerced into not surrendering for reasons beyond my comprehension, by forces beyond my understanding.

Apparently the game won't end until some phenomenon known as a "fat lady singing" occurs. I would appreciate it if said fat lady would kindly do the honors so we can get this game done and over with.

[Joo Dee]

BURRRARAARuuuuu muurrrrrr

http://i.imgur.com/qjuZFWD.png

Joo Dee cheerful exclaims, Wow how wonderful, you got to meet with the Earth King. That's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Joo Dee thinks that Xu is a threat to the peace of Ba Sing Se. Xu

[Joo Dee]

NOTHING BUT A PEANUT

LI VISITED BOSCO AND WARDEN PR YESTERDAY, SO HE WAS AZULA. LYNCH XU TODAY.

[Joo Dee]

I find it hilarious that you guys still think Xu is the scum.

But go ahead, vote him. Don't let me stop you.

Maybe I'm not allowed to surrender yet because there actually IS a chance of having you guys mislynch the entire town before me.

[Joo Dee]

OMG WIFOM

[Joo Dee]

I find it hilarious that you guys still think Xu is the scum.

But go ahead, vote him. Don't let me stop you.

Maybe I'm not allowed to surrender yet because there actually IS a chance of having you guys mislynch the entire town before me.

THIS POST IS PROOF THAT AZULA IS DEAD AND THERE'S ONLY ONE SCUM LEFT

[Joo Dee]

ANYONE WANT TO VOTE SKIP SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS DAY EVENT?

[Guru Pathik]

ANYONE WANT TO VOTE SKIP SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS DAY EVENT?

Skip votes are allowed. However, votes do not log for 48 hours. :D

[Joo Dee]

THIS POST IS PROOF THAT AZULA IS DEAD AND THERE'S ONLY ONE SCUM LEFT

As if the Citizen visiting a veteran wasn't enough proof.

[Joo Dee]

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUILD A SNOWMAN!?

[Joo Dee]

NOTHING BUT A PEANUT

LI VISITED BOSCO AND WARDEN PR YESTERDAY, SO HE WAS AZULA. LYNCH XU TODAY.

oooRRrrruuuuu

http://i.imgur.com/lZRnKZ1.png

Joo Dee casually states that it is generally a bad idea to sneak up on a sleeping bear.

[Joo Dee]

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUILD A SNOWMAN!?

Does it have to be a snowman?

[Joo Dee]

DO NOT FEAR, EVERYONE, I WILL CHANGE IT TO 50 POSTS PER PAGE.
THAT IS PER PAGE, AS IN PEE-EE-ARE.

[Joo Dee]

Guys, I think we should turn on invisibility mode. We wouldn't want anyone to see us when we're lurking.

[Joo Dee]

As if the Citizen visiting a veteran wasn't enough proof.

PROOF THAT IT WAS AZULA U FUCK
NOT TY LEE

HOW WILL MAFIA KILL NOW OMG

[Joo Dee]

PROOF THAT IT WAS AZULA U FUCK
NOT TY LEE

HOW WILL MAFIA KILL NOW OMG

Man, it's real easy for me to still kill people. All I have to do is convince the entire town to lynch themselves.

Although admittedly that isn't looking too hard right now.

[Joo Dee]

Man, it's real easy for me to still kill people. All I have to do is convince the entire town to lynch themselves.

Although admittedly that isn't looking too hard right now.

BIG TALK FAGGOT
1V1 ME TOMORROW

[Joo Dee]

BIG TALK FAGGOT
1V1 ME TOMORROW

k.

[Joo Dee]

SLEEPING

RONNIE COLEMAN OUT

REAL RONNIE COLEMAN WILL SOLVE THIS CODE UPON RETURN:
D800L

[Joo Dee]

oooRRrrruuuuu

http://i.imgur.com/4kW1Grn.png

I don't have the same dedication as everyone else to this roos

[Joo Dee]

BIG TALK FAGGOT
1V1 ME TOMORROW

WHY TOMORROW, FIGHT ME NOW FAGHIT

[Joo Dee]

SLEEPING

RONNIE COLEMAN OUT

REAL RONNIE COLEMAN WILL SOLVE THIS CODE UPON RETURN:
D800L

Oh dear. He's leaving. And here I was hoping we might perchance engage in some more witty repartee.

Perhaps on the morrow we shall continue our little discussion.

[Joo Dee]

WHY TOMORROW, FIGHT ME NOW FAGHIT

This is why I hate these kind of days. Fucking troll filled. Legit just a way for the host to give Azula's Legion a chance at this game.

[Joo Dee]

This is why I hate these kind of days. Fucking troll filled. Legit just a way for the host to give Azula's Legion a chance at this game.

word

[Joo Dee]

oooRRrrruuuuu

http://i.imgur.com/4kW1Grn.png

I don't have the same dedication as everyone else to this roos

Hey. Hey! We ain't all dead yet, bro. I'm still alive and kicking. Kicking my dead teammates and telling them to get the fuck up and try harder.

[Joo Dee]

This is why I hate these kind of days. Fucking troll filled. Legit just a way for the host to give Azula's Legion a chance at this game.

I think it's seriously funny you think I have a chance even with this day event.

This event is just for the lulz. It's probably why he didn't want me to surrender yet. Wanted to see this lulz play out.

[Joo Dee]

oooRRrrruuuuu

http://i.imgur.com/4kW1Grn.png

I don't have the same dedication as everyone else to this roos

It's spelled "ruse".

[Joo Dee]

It's spelled "ruse".

Pretty sure it's spelled "rewz," dumbass.

[Joo Dee]

Pretty sure it's spelled "rewz," dumbass.

Actually, this was a little bit harsh. I feel bad for calling you a dumbass.

I'm sorry, faggot.

[Joo Dee]

Actually, this was a little bit harsh. I feel bad for calling you a dumbass.

I'm sorry, faggot.

Actually no, this was too harsh as well. I should just stay away from these words.

You're actually a really nice person, and a pretty chill dude. I'm sure we'd be great friends in real life.

[Joo Dee]

You were met by Joo Dee, the Avatar last night.
You are revealed to be --- of the Earth Kingdom
Your primary ability is
Coroner
Autopsy a dead player at night.
You will learn their Role, RP name, Death Description, Night Targets, and Last Will.

[Joo Dee]

Pretty sure it's spelled "rewz," dumbass.

Going to have to go with roos. As in Kangaroos.

[Joo Dee]

This is why I hate these kind of days. Fucking troll filled. Legit just a way for the host to give Azula's Legion a chance at this game.

Long Feng and Disguiser are dead.

[Joo Dee]

You were met by Joo Dee, the Avatar last night.
You are revealed to be --- of the Earth Kingdom
Your primary ability is
Coroner
Autopsy a dead player at night.
You will learn their Role, RP name, Death Description, Night Targets, and Last Will.

Useless role.

[Joo Dee]

I find it hilarious that you guys still think Xu is the scum.

But go ahead, vote him. Don't let me stop you.

Maybe I'm not allowed to surrender yet because there actually IS a chance of having you guys mislynch the entire town before me.

Bushi

[Joo Dee]

Bushi

-suicide

[Joo Dee]

-suicide

Does this mean we are all dead?

[Joo Dee]

suicide

[Joo Dee]

suicide

I believe this is the best course of action.

[Joo Dee]

k

suicide

[Joo Dee]

Hey guys what's going on this morni-

Oh.

[Joo Dee]

Hey guys what's going on this morni-

Oh.

We're gettin' our daily suicide taken care of early today.

[Joo Dee]

Nothing happened to me last night.

[Joo Dee]

Nothing happened to me last night.

My will to play this game died last night.

[Joo Dee]

My will to play this game died last night.

Fine. My fault for controlling Dock. I thought I could force a mislynch on Sokka.

No matter. I'm positive that I got Aang or Katara yesterday. We can still destroy town.

[Joo Dee]

We can still destroy town.

We? Is this your secondary ability?

I'm out, so you can try winning by yourself.

[Joo Dee]

We? Is this your secondary ability?

I'm out, so you can try winning by yourself.

What ability?

Why give up early? It's not like we are going to be lynched anytime soon, WIFOM! Please continue to randomly swap their roles and confuse town? Pretty please?

[Joo Dee]

In my defense, I knew neither your teammates, nor your night actions.

1 Dai Li
1 Azula Legion
9 Team Avatar

At least 4 mislynches. It might be a bit tough but you never know what day events lie ahead.

[Joo Dee]

Oh, and FM won't be starting soon, as usual, or so I'm told. Just enjoy yourself in the meantime!

[Joo Dee]

Btw coroner is Op here so check pls Li first and then the rest.^^

[Joo Dee]

allowed to change avatar?

so guys. i'm the real sokka. mai's mother lied.

i'd also like to take this opportunity:
Guru Pathik
totally necessary
this game is just boring now.

[Joo Dee]

well shit this wasn't intended. i requested modkill
honestly i expected permission to be set, so i wasn't so careful from which account i was posting

[Joo Dee]

/FM

if that is the case I will be too lol. But please don't.

A lot of trolls scaremongering and making false testimony.