S-FM 130: Flexibility

[RLVG]

"I'm going to visit Slaol. My conclusion will be unknown but I'd like to gain an investigation clue in regards to what Slaol is.
If I happen to die, take that as a clue. "

"Target Orpz.

I'd like to check Orpz for the following reason :
"* Master of Cleaning (cleans role and lw, will receive lw, 2 cleanings for the whole team but they must be done by 2 different players) [2]"

This makes perfect sense to claim Doctor and I don't believe in the claim at all.

Because of the nature of how the day went, he's becoming more sure that he won't be roleblocked, invested and etc, so might become the killer for tonight.
If that's so, I'll notice the alignment change.

P.S Louis didn't jail me and due to tunneling me so much, it made no sense whatsoever."

[louiswill]

And what about Creed and other scum? Assume that I'm one scum, there has to be other two scums. Who do you suspect after the checking?

[RLVG]

And what about Creed and other scum? Assume that I'm one scum, there has to be other two scums. Who do you suspect after the checking?

I suspect you and Slaol.

[Slaol]

I suspect you and Slaol.

You retarded?

[louiswill]

I suspect you and Slaol.

Mafia has no bus driving ability, if you suspect slaol then that means you think someone drugged Damus.

[louiswill]

I was in jail, if I'm mafia I can't drug damus.

That means you think I'm neutral and slaol is mafia, the other mafia drugged Damus.

Then Who.

[louiswill]

mt I forget Damus said Slaol went to him,

so

RLVG think I'm neutral, Slaol is Master of Drug , and someone else attacked me.

[creedkingsx]

0 Creed: + 0 -- he give slaol claim AFTER I said slaol is busdriver. ---Credit stolen.

I said Slaol was bus driver was before you.
.-.

[creedkingsx]

Assuming RLVG is legit invest n shit, makes slaol, also, a Town Master. Otherwise, dafuq?

[louiswill]

I suspect you and Slaol.

Plus ,this, if you suspect slaol, then your night 1 result doesn't add up because if slaol is scum then pod was not busdriven, then your result is suppose to be a totally wrong one. You do can blame Apache if he send you that feedback to troll you.

There is no reason why you can suspect slaol. You need to rewind your mind.

[Slaol]

Holy shit this game is still going on.
Well, 2 things.
1: Louiswill is Citizen.
2: I was swapped by a VERY daring Bus Driver last night.

^^

[louiswill]

I said Slaol was bus driver was before you.
You said in post 225

but look this

Post 212

I was bussed and nothing else last night.
Slaol also targeted me last night.
.-.

Your claim just get no credit.

[louiswill]

ops quote is broken.

[louiswill]

Creed vote RLVG, RLVG doesn't vote Creed. Odd, man, it is Odd.

[Apache]

Mafia's Master of Cleaning doesn't kill, right? Both Mafias had to have visit to clean someone?


master of cleaning doesnt kill. both mafias have to visit to kill and clean

[creedkingsx]

Creed vote RLVG, RLVG doesn't vote Creed. Odd, man, it is Odd.

It's not odd at all...

[louiswill]

It's not odd at all...

Then you should withdraw your vote, otherwise it is unfair.

[creedkingsx]

lolwut

[louiswill]

1. No one claimed being jailed night 1.
2. One busdriver but no investigation is messed up.
3. One doctor but healed different target than claimed.

/discuss

[creedkingsx]

1. No one claimed being jailed night 1.
2. One busdriver but no investigation is messed up.
3. One doctor but healed different target than claimed.
4. I don't read every post.

/discuss

fix'd*

[louiswill]

fix'd*

You are dead.
creedkingsx

[louiswill]

I hope creed flip neutral so that I'm available to be attacked again by scums for being too good.

[louiswill]

RLVG, Damus and Creed, at least one scum is among them, despite if I'm scum or not.

[Orpz]

so RLVG and Creed have conflicting reports?

[Orpz]

Master of Killing gives him VVJB pairing (Rlvg's feedback)
Master of Bus Driving gives him the BusDriver pairing (Creed's feedback)

If no Bus Driver claim, RLVG is scum
If there is one, Slaol is scum

[louiswill]

so RLVG and Creed have conflicting reports?
Their reports are identical.
They have contrast read list.

If none of damus, creed and RLVG is a liar, then we don't have enough spots for 3 scums among the rest of people, you can name it.

[louiswill]

Master of Killing gives him VVJB pairing (Rlvg's feedback)
Master of Bus Driving gives him the BusDriver pairing (Creed's feedback)

If no Bus Driver claim, RLVG is scum
If there is one, Slaol is scum

Then how do you explain Pod's bus report night 1?
Suppose Slaol is on bus night one, but not on bus night 2.

[Slaol]

Master of Killing gives him VVJB pairing (Rlvg's feedback)
Master of Bus Driving gives him the BusDriver pairing (Creed's feedback)

If no Bus Driver claim, RLVG is scum
If there is one, Slaol is scum

No Bus Driver claim other than myself? Cause I'm definitely Bus Driver.

[Slaol]

Night 1 was Myself and PoD
Night 2 was Damus and Louiswill.

[creedkingsx]

Which means RLVG checked PoD n1

[creedkingsx]

Which means RLVG checked PoD n1

or RLVG is scum

[louiswill]

Look this, among these 5 people: Slaol, Creed, RLVG, Damus, Pod
If slaol is busdriver:

Damus said Slaol went to him night 2.
Fit, Creed's report.

Slaol and Pod said they was on bus night 1.
Fit, RLVG's report.


So slaol's report fit 4 peer edited reports,
RLVG fit two,
Damus fit one,
Pod fit one,
Creed fit one,

According to relevency, Slaol overloaded possible scum covering each other.
Slaol has to be the busdriver.

[louiswill]

I say we should start with Creed.

On report:
Creed's report comes after Damus' report, so Damus + 1 Creed -1.

On behave:
Fake Jail, active lurk, F-post, self quoting.

[creedkingsx]

Look this, among these 5 people: Slaol, Creed, RLVG, Damus, Pod
If slaol is busdriver:

Damus said Slaol went to him night 2.
Fit, Creed's report.

Slaol and Pod said they was on bus night 1.
Fit, RLVG's report.


So slaol's report fit 4 peer edited reports,
RLVG fit two,
Damus fit one,
Pod fit one,
Creed fit one,

According to relevency, Slaol overloaded possible scum covering each other.
Slaol has to be the busdriver.

Congratulations!
You've reached the conclusion literally every other person did 3 hours ago!
Even the ones that were afk.
:)

[louiswill]

Night 1 was Myself and PoD
Night 2 was Damus and Louiswill.

wait. what...

[louiswill]

Congratulations!
You've reached the conclusion literally every other person did 3 hours ago!
Even the ones that were afk.
:)

I was explaining to Orpz who try to pretend dumb and mafia might leave him alive.

[creedkingsx]

wait. what...

My last post was a lie.
you aren't quite where I thought you were, yet. Luckily for you, day is 24 hours so you have plenty of time to catch up.

[louiswill]

Oh my bad. Actually I was bussed.

I confirm Slaol.

[louiswill]

So, I was bussed, attacked and executed and healed last night.

I need reboot my system.

[louiswill]

It means,
Damus is clean
Orpz is clean because I was healed.
Slaol is clean becuase I was bussed.
No roleblocking report - Citrus is escort.

Congratulations!
4 out of 8 people are now clean as flyfeathers.

There are 3 scums among : Louiswill, Powerofdeath, Creed, and RLVG.

[creedkingsx]

Such Intelligence.
Wow.

[louiswill]

Okay so people please post their read on Louiswill, Powerofdeath, Creed, and RLVG.

Ignore me, because I have had enough already.

[creedkingsx]

<3

[louiswill]

I forget Bahkieh, but lets assume he is the only citizen claimer so far and so good.

My Read:

Action
Powerofdeath : Miss night 1 jail target.
Creed: Miss night 1 action
RLVG: 2 feedbacks

Claim:
Powerofdeath : Fast report
Creed: Slow
RLVG: Fast report

Behavior:
Powerofdeath : vigilante
Creed: measured movement
RLVG: read list is terrible

[creedkingsx]

I forget Bahkieh, but lets assume he is the only citizen claimer so far and so good.

My Read:

Action
Powerofdeath : Miss night 1 jail target.
Creed: Miss night 1 action
RLVG: 2 feedbacks

Claim:
Powerofdeath : Fast report
Creed: Slow
RLVG: Fast report

Behavior:
Powerofdeath : vigilante
Creed: measured movement
RLVG: read list is terrible

I claimed yesterday.
Did you not notice with all that reading you clearly do? ^^v
By that reasoning, I'm the faster claimer here. :o
Next to Slaol claiming Vet D1

[louiswill]

I claimed yesterday.
Did you not notice with all that reading you clearly do? ^^v
By that reasoning, I'm the faster claimer here. :o
Next to Slaol claiming Vet D1

I was busy counterflaming RLVG yesterday but if you claim a investigative role, then feedback justify more than words.
Anyway, Lets hear what other people say.

[louiswill]

We make a decision between Creed and RLVG

Notice this:
Jailor
- will work despite lynch

so Pod only have to prove himself by jail me tonight, and execute me if he felt like.

[creedkingsx]

You.. you still don't know my role, do you?

[louiswill]

You.. you still don't know my role, do you?

Testify?

[Orpz]

WHO DID POD JAIL NIGHT 1
Powerofdeath

He killed on night 1. This explains the Investigation pairing. In order to play off the Investigation pairing , he kidnapped and quickexecuted Louiswill in an attempt to get 2 KPN and was foiled by the bus driver and my healing. The first attack failed because he was kidnapped. The second attack failed because I healed him as a result of the bus.

[Orpz]

Its currently 2v5v1. Why WOULDNT Mafia use kidnap last night to attempt to make a 2v3v1? PoD is confirmed scum.


Town reads:
RLVG
Slaol
Creedkingsx

Null reads:
Louiswill
Orpz

Scum reads:
Bahkieh
Damus_Graves

Quoted for future reference. Let's see who he tried to distance himself from. Scums usually call each other null reads but thats not what happened this game.

When you read this post, vote PoD. Days go by fast.

[Orpz]

Because of how close Mafia are to winning due to no lynch, the person that doesn't vote should be the target of Creeds Sheriff check.

[Orpz]

RLVG also doubles as a Sheriff after PoDs flip. He's confirmed Town by Damus, who is very likely to be Town because of night targets. Slaols confirmed because of two bussings.

[Slaol]

I'm comfortable with these points.

Powerofdeath tried to seperate himself from Damus
Damus tried to confirm PoD

Powerofdeath

[creedkingsx]

powerofdeath
:love:

[creedkingsx]

I'm comfortable with these points.

Powerofdeath tried to seperate himself from Damus
Damus tried to confirm PoD

Powerofdeath

I take it you think Damus is an appropriate target for my sheriff check.

[Slaol]

I do

[Damus_Graves]

Yolo
powerofdeath

RLVG said he confirmed PoD and I confirmed RLVG.

[Damus_Graves]

I think I dislike games that allow ppl to change their night actions at random.
Makes logic harder to use.

[Damus_Graves]

Creed plox check Louiswill.

[creedkingsx]

Creed plox check Louiswill.

Louiswill is obvs neutral.
If you're detective, as we are led to assume, who did you follow n1?
You may have already said it. Don't think you did, but you may have.

[Damus_Graves]

RLVG -> PoD
then I did
Slaol -> Damus

[Slaol]

You may have already said it. Don't think you did, but you may have.

tl;dr: i dont care enough to look back different pages

[Damus_Graves]

tl;dr: i dont care enough to look back different pages

I'd rep you but cheating.

[Damus_Graves]

So what are we doing?
Orpz based his shit off PoD being kidnapper tonight and janitor tomorrow.
Louiswill shitclaimed two attacks and a heal
Orpz said i got healed
Who the fuck else got bussed?

[creedkingsx]

tl;dr: i dont care enough to look back different pages

It's true.
Too much reading when I can ask the question now.

Audino

[Damus_Graves]

So what are we doing?
Orpz based his shit off PoD being kidnapper tonight and janitor tomorrow. lol im dumb literally meant someting else.
Louiswill shitclaimed two attacks and a heal
Orpz said i got healed
Who the fuck else got bussed?

im tired.

[creedkingsx]

So what are we doing?
Orpz based his shit off PoD being kidnapper tonight and janitor tomorrow.
Louiswill shitclaimed two attacks and a heal
Orpz said i got healed
Who the fuck else got bussed?

At least I know you do the same thing I just did.

You and Louiswill got bussed.

[creedkingsx]

Anyway, I'm going to sleep. Have to work for 9 hours tomorrow so I expect shit to have happened by then.

[Damus_Graves]

At least I know you do the same thing I just did.

You and Louiswill got bussed.

Who reads?
I don't.
Based on what i think i know, hehehahha, PoD is mafia because X is Town Master due to Y situation.
Who es mafia partner........................................... ...........................................
Bahkieh?
who else is playing game >>

[Bahkieh]

Who reads?
I don't.
Based on what i think i know, hehehahha, PoD is mafia because X is Town Master due to Y situation.
Who es mafia partner........................................... ...........................................
Bahkieh?
who else is playing game >>

But Damus, I am our most shitty shitizen. It can't be me D:

Anyways, Do we want me to hammer later? ohohohoh CAN I USE I GIANT FUCKING MALLET?!?!

Oh yeah in case anyone was wondering. My time in this game has been very uneventful :(

[RLVG]

Since town already had a discussion and after reading, it makes sense : If Slaol bussed with PoD and thus PoD shown as the investigation clue of those who can kill...

powerofdeath

[The Godfather]

powerofdeath has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


louiswill ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/1862') (1 [L-4]): powerofdeath ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431354')
powerofdeath ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/3897') (5 [L-0]): Damus_Graves ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431507'), creedkingsx ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431503'), Orpz ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431497'), Slaol ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431502'), RLVG ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431529')

[Apache]

Night 3 has started!

MFM has already started which I didn't expect, I hope this doesn't lower your activity.

powerofdeath was lynched. His role was Mafia Master

louiswill (1 [L-4]): powerofdeath
powerofdeath (5 [L-0]): Damus_Graves, creedkingsx, Orpz, Slaol, RLVG


After a long discussion, the decision has been made even before sunset. Twopeas was going to be lynched.
Twopeas couldn't stop his tears: Why? Why me?? I'm only 12 years old... I'm too young...
But the town stayed strong and withstanded this desperate appeal to emotion. They hang him and watched him making his last breath.
His last words were: I'm... sorry for... killing the do...
He died before he could finish the sentence.

The town decided to search his house in order to find out what he was. Inside the house, there were a lot of books, about every topic: Chemistry, Physics, Maths, Anatomy, Electronics, Forensic, IT, etc.
The professor: Look, they all have a red cover.
Pocket: That leaves only one conclusion.
Professor: Right. He must have been a Mafia Master.

When they all already wanted to make their way home, Lou Wanted suddenly said: Guys, Steve Jobs already had cancer when he was killed.
Suma: How you know?
Wanted: I performed an autopsy.
Suma: Sure, how you know how to perform an autopsy?
Wanted: I dunno but I do.
Suma: Hm, might be true or might not be. Anyway, see you guys tomorrow.

And they finally went home.



Alive:

louiswill
Orpz
Bahkieh
creedkingsx
Slaol
Damus_Graves
RLVG


Graveyard:

Citrus - ??? (killed by the Mafia n1)
powerofdeath - Mafia Master (lynched d3)

MYTOWN: 1.5 (not accounting for neutral because it's hidden, assuming ??? was town)


Day 4 will start at this time: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=17th+march+2014+18%3A00+CET

[Apache]

Day 4 has started!

Bahkieh was killed by the Mafia. His role was Citizen


In the morning when they all met again. They noticed there was a huge tunnel leading underground. They decided to enter it.
Inside the tunnel, they found Link Weakes corpse.
The professor: Several bullets in the chest. One in the head. Clearly killed by the mafia.
Suma searched his body: Nothing. He was a tourist, just a french Citizen.
Shakur: He didn't even had a house in this town. He must have lived in this empty tunnel.
Black: Look here, there is something written in blood on the wall.
Professor: It's a math puzzle!
Wanted: Oh no, fuck math...
Pocket: It might give us a clue about the Mafia!

But no one was able to solve the puzzle as it was way too difficult. Not even the professor.

Here the riddle written in blood:


Alex and Matt might both either be a liar who always lies or truthful who always says the truth. Luke has to find out what they are. Luke asks Alex: "Are you both liars?" Since the answer wasn't enough to determine the solution, he asks Matt: "Is Alex a liar?" With that answer he figured it out. Can you figure it out too, without knowing the answers?

Additional questions: If it's not possible for us to figure it out, what information would we need to do so?
Do these 2 answers give Luke the solution in every case? If no, is there a constellation which makes it impossible for Luke to figure out the answer, no matter what he asks? If not, which question would you ask if these 2 questions don't give you the solution?


As they went on, they saw a light at the end of the tunnel. They made a break for some discussion.



Alive:

louiswill
Orpz
creedkingsx
Slaol
Damus_Graves
RLVG


Graveyard:

Citrus - ??? (killed by the Mafia n1)
powerofdeath - Mafia Master (lynched d3)
Bahkieh - Citizen (killed by the Mafia n3)

MYTOWN: 1.5 (not accounting for neutral because it's hidden, assuming ??? was town)


Day 4 will end at this time: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=18th+march+2014+18%3A00+CET


With 6 players alive it takes 4

[louiswill]

Interesting. LOL Citrus has a funny role.

[louiswill]

creedkingsx Temporarily.

[louiswill]

Alex and Matt might both either be a liar who always lies or truthful who always says the truth. Luke has to find out what they are. Luke asks Alex: "Are you both liars?" Since the answer wasn't enough to determine the solution, he asks Matt: "Is Alex a liar". With that answer he figured it out. Can you figure it out too, without knowing the answers?

If all answers are either yes or no, then,

Case 1: Q1YesQ2yes
Then Alex is liar and Matt is truthful
Case 2: Q1Yes Q2 Yes
They both are liars.
Case 3: Q1 No Q2 Yes
Alex is truthful, Matt is liar
Case 4: Q2 No Q2 No
Alex is truthful, Matt is truthful
or Alex is a liar and matt is a liar


Additional questions: If it's not possible for us to figure it out, what information would we need to so?
Do these 2 questions always give Luke the solution? If no, is their a constellation which makes it impossible for Luke to figure out the answer? If not, which question would you ask if these 2 questions don't give you the solution?

Case 4 indicate the conclusion could be implicit.
Try ask an additional question which distinguish both truthful and both liar, and identify one of them to be sure.
So ask either alex or matt:"Am I eating an anpan(red ben bun) right now?"
Then I guess it should be solved.

[louiswill]

Bahkieh was on bus with Slaol.

[creedkingsx]

ohok

I targeted Bahkieh, came up as Mafia.
Makes no fucking sense, so someone explain n shit, kthx

[louiswill]

Fake investigator is fake. Lets kill creed and end this game.

Citrus is Town master, visited powerofdeath night one, he choose lookout ability according to last will.

[Orpz]

WHAT

[Slaol]

The only process that makes sense .. makes no sense

[Orpz]

No time to figure this out brb school

I was bussed

[RLVG]

I was so tired yesterday that I targeted Citrus, not thinking he was dead.
"You cant target dead players "

LVP.

[louiswill]

I was so tired yesterday that I targeted Citrus, not thinking he was dead.
"You cant target dead players "

LVP.

Make more sense?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using Tapatalk 2

[louiswill]

Anyway, it becomes just like yesterday.
You guys still need to lynch either RLVG or Creed.
I'd say Creed lynch makes more sense.
I think I will just leave my votes there.

[RLVG]

Make more sense?

AYS?

I targeted Citrus.
Citrus is dead.
Host said something like "You fucking idiot, you can't target dead people you dumbfuck."

Simplified.

[louiswill]

Night 1 Creed and Pod murdered Citrus, Pod is the killer because RLVG get the killer feedback.
Day 2Creed cleaned Citrus and knew Citrus' role. Thus day 1 Pod claims roleblocking and Creed claim no action.
Creed wasn't jailed but he didn't counter my claim because creed thought I'm neutral.
Night 2 Creed assaulted Damus but was bussed into me.
Day 3 Creed didn't vote me but vote RLVG instead.
After I repeadly ask who was jailed night 1, creed kept silent and sheep vote Pod knowing pod is beyond the save.
Night 4 Creed went to kill slaol but end up killing bahkieh
Day 4 Creed knows bahkieh is on bus and claim he found a mafia
Creed is the mafia himself.
So kill Creed, lets end this game.
Otherwise we can always wait Damus comes up something, but it is really not necessary.

[louiswill]

AYS?

I targeted Citrus.
Citrus is dead.
Host said something like "You fucking idiot, you can't target dead people you dumbfuck."

Simplified.

Apache doesn't use F word, you liar.

[louiswill]

RLVG put your vote on Creed, "pl0x".

[RLVG]

Apache doesn't use F word, you liar.


"You cant target dead players "

AYS?

In addition to you wanting to get me lynched, I hammered PoD.
If I was scum, I wouldn't do that and try to get a twist sense of getting someone else lynched, lol.

[Orpz]

Wait for Damus

afk

[louiswill]

AYS?

In addition to you wanting to get me lynched, I hammered PoD.
If I was scum, I wouldn't do that and try to get a twist sense of getting someone else lynched, lol.

I voted Creed, why the hell I want to get you lynched. Was your head squeezed by steel door?
Bahkieh said he will hammer Pod, so it doesn't matter to me. I was absent by that time.

Funny how those investigative players refuse to visit me, and at the same time slander my purpose and justify their own inactivity.

Especially this RLVG, who flamed my upon early game and now brand himself LVP so he can excuse himself from bad town play.

We can lynch without you anyway. Duh.

[louiswill]

oh wait, 4 votes to lynch, so we need everyone.

[RLVG]

I voted Creed, why the hell I want to get you lynched. Was your head squeezed by steel door?


You guys still need to lynch either RLVG or Creed.
I'd say Creed lynch makes more sense.


You guys still need to lynch either RLVG or Creed.
I'd say Creed lynch makes more sense.




Bahkieh said he will hammer Pod, so it doesn't matter to me. I was absent by that time.

Do you expect him to keep his word?
Do you know what sarcasm is? Irony? Lies?
What if I said something that would cause him not to hammer?




Especially this RLVG, who flamed my upon early game and now brand himself LVP so he can excuse himself from bad town play.

Stress, tired, less attention span. I didn't even sleep the night. Don't act like you know me, excusing myself off?



We can lynch without you anyway. Duh.

I no longer want to play a S-FM with you.

[louiswill]

Haters gonna hate. I haven't done nothing wrong. Town is winning. why do you complain? Thanks to myself, 4 people was cleared yesterday and you lynched a mafia master.

My family came back from LA 2AM, I slept at 3AM, get up at 6:50AM, Math Class at 8:30 and I finished both breakfast and an essay outline before the class. I replied in the SFM during my homework. I have another class tonight at 7PM.

You submitted an ridiculous action but I'm not there to laugh at you.
Instead, I point out the mafia and ask you to lynch.
Why a town want to flame others in nonsense?

It is not only you having a hard life.
Cast your vote before you leave so you will not miss the voting session.

[louiswill]

Note every town needs to vote in order to lynch, 4 votes are necessary.

[RLVG]

Haters gonna hate. I haven't done nothing wrong. Town is winning. why do you complain? Thanks to myself, 4 people was cleared yesterday and you lynched a mafia master.

You lied so many times, caused so many gambits and your intelligence were questioned multiple times, I can quote all those posts that question.

I do not see how you helped at all.

[creedkingsx]

Oh yeah, forgot about this.
We are going to come at this from 2 perspective.
1. The correct perspective
You aren't Coroner. lolgudtry

2. Also, correct
You aren't Coroner.
lulgudtrie

I'm not going to bother arguing out the fact that you are a horrifyingly terrible neutral player.

We've still to conquer the whole how you survived 2 attacks. Regardless if pod was Maf or not, you confirmed being attacked twice. orpz confirms one healing which leaves you, where?

Actually,
[color=#00ff00]Do Doctors heal multiple attacks or is OoO just written incorrectly?

[creedkingsx]

I haven't done nothing wrong.

Double negative.
Your Freudian slippers must be cozy.

[louiswill]

I helped because I have done things that mafia can not.
I proved my role without needing of any checks.

What else can a town do more than prove itself?

In earlier time,
The first reason that mayor, crier, such and such are OP because they can show themselves as town.

I have done equally the same.
For me, a coroner, the only thing I worry is to get mislynched.
I dodged it effectively, regardless how you think.

Thus, your complaining on others' strategy doesn't matter as long as we win.

For now, if you are really as tired as you described,
you should put your vote on and take a break from the forum.

[louiswill]

Double negative.
Your Freudian slippers must be cozy.

We will see after you flip. :)

[creedkingsx]

I helped because I have done things that mafia can not.
I proved my role without needing of any checks.

Remind me, how have you proven your role?

[louiswill]

So far, I have only claimed two roles : Jailor, and Coroner.
What else have I lied? List it.
If you can't then put your belief in me.

I told you there were 3 scums of out the 4 people yesterday,
it was a legit conclusion.
Thus, the more I lie the less likely I'm scum, providing the fact I'm the unique one who has done such.

Pod is dead,
That leaves RLVG and Creed, it is obvious that Creed is the mafia master.

Tell you what, people like Slaol and Damus will not bother to discuss on that, they probably already know it by heart.
The only possible drama is they make different conclusion on Creed or RLVg.
Even so, they will still vote to lynch one of you two.

I just want to finish it early for this game now it is bloodly obvious.
One neutral one mafia, kill mafia first and unless neutral is arsonist and doused incredibly correct...
（which is not the case, because the neutral is either jester or witch.)

Even if there is an arsonist,

igniting does not ignore Docs
Orpz guaranteed one person alive,
What is the chance for arsonist get every douse right WITH a bus driver in the setup?

so, what you say?

[louiswill]

Remind me, how have you proven your role?

I have done things that mafia can not do. Thus I'm either neutral or mafia.
If I'm arsonist, becuase Pod said he jailed me, so I will lack one douse, plus orpz is doctor.
If I'm jester, the way I act will not possible to get me lynched.
If I'm witch, I will not spit anything truthful about busdriving and not give a legit analysis on people.

Thus' I have to be the town.

[louiswill]

I have done things that mafia can not do. Thus I'm either neutral or REALLY BAD mafia.

Fixed.

[RLVG]

I have done things that mafia can not do. Thus I'm either neutral or REALLY BAD mafia.

Fixed.

Louiswill

Thus not town.

[Damus_Graves]

I followed Creed last night.
Due to the bus mechanics he killed Bahkieh, in an attempt to kill Orpz (the confirmed doctor).

RLVG, Slaol, Damus, Orpz are confirmed Town members (whom I have confirmed with my night actions.


The Night One Dilemma:

Hypersniper was AFK
PoD used his AFK team member to kill Citurs
PoD opted to clean Citrus as well
Hypersniper was replaced



The Night Two Situation:

PoD kidnapped Louiswill
Orpz Targeted Damus
Slaol targeted Damus and Louiswill
Creed targeted Damus
Louiswill was saved from PoD's execution by Orpz
PoD's kidnapping saved Louiswill from getting killed by Creed.




Creedkingsx

[Orpz]

Slaol, did you bus me and Bahkieh?

Detection is after bus drives so it'd show him visiting Bahkieh if he did try to kill me...but the Mafia result on Bahkieh...

[Orpz]

Town Louiswill would know there's no chance of him being Mafia.

Only Neutral Louiswill would entertain that thought.

[Damus_Graves]

Slaol, did you bus me and Bahkieh?

Detection is after bus drives so it'd show him visiting Bahkieh if he did try to kill me...but the Mafia result on Bahkieh...

Creed -> Bahkieh.
Because what I know he tried to target you.

[Damus_Graves]

Just so aware -> Louiswill has a good chance at being Arsonist.
He slipped earlier today, which I will soon quote for you to view.

[louiswill]

Louiswill

Thus not town.

You failed to lynched me day 1, you will fail again.
Damus and Orpz clearly will lynch Creed today. Looks like I won this round.
http://pic11.nipic.com/20101128/3420027_143105839043_2.jpg

[Damus_Graves]

So far, I have only claimed two roles : Jailor, and Coroner.
What else have I lied? List it.
If you can't then put your belief in me.

I told you there were 3 scums of out the 4 people yesterday,
it was a legit conclusion.
Thus, the more I lie the less likely I'm scum, providing the fact I'm the unique one who has done such.

Pod is dead,
That leaves RLVG and Creed, it is obvious that Creed is the mafia master.

Tell you what, people like Slaol and Damus will not bother to discuss on that, they probably already know it by heart.
The only possible drama is they make different conclusion on Creed or RLVg.
Even so, they will still vote to lynch one of you two.

I just want to finish it early for this game now it is bloodly obvious.
One neutral one mafia, kill mafia first and unless neutral is arsonist and doused incredibly correct...
（which is not the case, because the neutral is either jester or witch.)

Even if there is an arsonist,

Orpz guaranteed one person alive,
What is the chance for arsonist get every douse right WITH a bus driver in the setup?

so, what you say?

This is his slip

[louiswill]

Just so aware -> Louiswill has a good chance at being Arsonist.
He slipped earlier today, which I will soon quote for you to view.

Even if I were arsonist, it is impossible for me to douse godly correct and orpz can heal.
Mafia will go priority in any case.

[Orpz]

Louiswill hasn't been alive long enough to be super threatening as an Arsonist plus he was kidnapped once, so yeah Mafia has priority today

[Orpz]

Copy and paste Citrus's last will, I'm expecting it to be long

[Damus_Graves]

Give up the act Louiswill.
Everyone else is confirmed.

[louiswill]

Give up the act Louiswill.
Everyone else is confirmed.

I'm coroner. RLVG is neutral, Creed is Mafia. What else you need.

[Damus_Graves]

I'm coroner. RLVG is neutral, Creed is Mafia. What else you need.

Prove it.
This is the point where you prove your shit instead of speaking shit.

[Orpz]

Only Creed makes sense due to eliminations

1) Im confirmed
2) Slaol's confirmed
3) RLVG is confirmed because he visited PoD on night 1
4) Damus is confirmed because he correctly called RLVG's n1 action and almost got fucked on night 2
5) Louiswill isn't Mafia, kidnapped

[louiswill]

Prove it.
This is the point where you prove your shit instead of speaking shit.

You are begging the question.
How will YOU prove you are a coroner then? if you were a coroner.

There is only one way to prove a town a town, that is to act different from mafia and neutral.

I have done it. What else do you want?
No one else made a better call on citrus other than me.

[Damus_Graves]

You are begging the question.
How will YOU prove you are a coroner then? if you were a coroner.

There is only one way to prove a town a town, that is to act different from mafia and neutral.

I have done it. What else do you want?
No one else made a better call on citrus other than me.

Redirection and Bullshiting arent acceptable.
You haven't proven a thing.

[louiswill]

Only Creed makes sense due to eliminations

1) Im confirmed
2) Slaol's confirmed
3) RLVG is confirmed because he visited PoD on night 1
4) Damus is confirmed because he correctly called RLVG's n1 action and almost got fucked on night 2
5) Louiswill isn't Mafia, kidnapped

Right, so put your vote on Creed, lets end. RLVG can still come to hammer to get some town read.
Slaol is proven town, so slaol doesn't have to vote.

[Orpz]

Right, so put your vote on Creed, lets end. RLVG can still come to hammer to get some town read.
Slaol is proven town, so slaol doesn't have to vote.

But I'm proven town and in that same vein shouldnt I be free to not vote??

in any case SHUT UP SCUM

or post Citrus's last will for town cred

[Damus_Graves]

Coroner:
- each night you may -autopsy a player, learning their role, last will and last target
- you may target living players but will only get a result if they die in the same night

HOW DO YOU THINK I WOULD PROVE MY ROLE LOUISWILL?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!

[louiswill]

Redirection and Bullshiting arent acceptable.
You haven't proven a thing.

You neither proved anything, your night result is equally bad. Why don't you visit me instead?
There is no need for me to prove my identity anyway, the wind is blowing my way.
I'm the winner.

You have the burden to prove I'm guilty for being a investigative role, while I don't really need to defend myself anyway.

[louiswill]

HOW DO YOU THINK I WOULD PROVE MY ROLE LOUISWILL?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!

Citrus's last will says he used a lookout charge. I posted it early.

[Damus_Graves]

You neither proved anything, your night result is equally bad. Why don't you visit me instead?
There is no need for me to prove my identity anyway, the wind is blowing my way.
I'm the winner.

You have the burden to prove I'm guilty for being a investigative role, while I don't really need to defend myself anyway.

Incorrect statement.
It falls on the accused to prove their role. The only responsibility for the person calling you out is to present a valid case for why his accusation is valid. I have.

[Damus_Graves]

Fake investigator is fake. Lets kill creed and end this game.

Citrus is Town master, visited powerofdeath night one, he choose lookout ability according to last will.

Not acceptable.
Citrus is the kind of player to leave a lw saying:

What Charge used
Whom he targeted

[louiswill]

Incorrect statement.
It falls on the accused to prove their role. The only responsibility for the person calling you out is to present a valid case for why his accusation is valid. I have.

None sense, I'm proving myself clean by accusing both mafias.
Neutral killer can not win alone so that if I were neutral killer, I can not do that unless I'm dumb.
It is contradiction unless you preassume I'm dumb.

If I'm dumb, then I just tell you this: I have no pressure so I don't give a flying feather to prove anything.
You all suck at investigative roles, and I'm playing legit.

[louiswill]

Not acceptable.
Citrus is the kind of player to leave a lw saying:

What Charge used
Whom he targeted


Citrus is Town master, visited powerofdeath night one, he choose lookout ability according to last will.

Both charge and target are included, nothing is missing.

[Orpz]

WAT EXACTLY DID IT SAY

[Orpz]

COPY AND PASTE IT (assuming host allows that)

[Damus_Graves]

Citrus is Town master, visited powerofdeath night one, he choose lookout ability according to last will.

Both charge and target are included, nothing is missing.

Thank you for re-providing the asked for information.
We will be with you shortly :D

[Orpz]

YOUR GRAMMAR ISNT STRONG ENOUGH TO FAKE CITRUS'S LAST WILL

I'm exploiting that

o god i feel dirty

[Damus_Graves]

YOUR GRAMMAR ISNT STRONG ENOUGH TO FAKE CITRUS'S LAST WILL

I'm exploiting that

o god i feel dirty

Louiswill also isn't capable of faking this interaction as scum.
The wind is indeed in his favor.

[Slaol]

I have this crazy conspiracy theory where Orpz is a Mafia. However, I'm gonna ride that he is NOT mafia.

Creedkingsx

[louiswill]

I have this crazy conspiracy theory where Orpz is a Mafia. However, I'm gonna ride that he is NOT mafia.

Creedkingsx

YES! SCORED!
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVMPDFxVTpejUtjgHbdzi-xuhams7PFSI3DD3WAoHvLUvcd0dF

[louiswill]

Is it allowed to past or quote anything from feedback, aka, last will?

To be honest, if I get modkilled again, then Cryptonic will ban me from sfm.

[Slaol]

let me check something

[louiswill]

paste*
fixed

[louiswill]

let me check something

Come on!!!!!

[RLVG]

Just do a raw copypaste, like I did, with no [quote]...

[Damus_Graves]

Slaol its legit. Even is RLVG is neutral we win regardless because his night actions cannot hit everyone and I have my checker.
Also Louiswill.
Im checking you tonight. You better target Citrus again to confirm yourself.

[louiswill]

Just do a raw copypaste, like I did, with no [quote]...

I strickly forbidden all quoting in my own sfm because of the uniqueness of each person's handwriting.
Citrus' last will is a small block so I'd better to be sure if I can do that.

[louiswill]

Im checking you tonight. You better target Citrus again to confirm yourself.

Sure no problem, there is no one else worth targeting apparently.

[Orpz]

I'll heal Damus.

Slaol explain your conspiracy theory? It's not true but your reasoning might help me realize other possibilities that I missed.

[louiswill]

The one of only few possibility of Orpz being mafia is this:

Louiswill - Neutral student, targeting Orpz night 1
Orpz and Pod forge a jail claim with louiswill.
Then,
There would never be a doctor, nor a jailor,
but three piggy investigative roles who have submitting action randomly.

[creedkingsx]

Citrus' last will:

Town Master here.

Checked Damus last night because I can't usually can't read him either way.

I'm almost definitely the only town master for balance purposes (max 1 in hidden town is town master).

Gl.

Hypersniper will be obvious if mafia.

I read that at least 1 mafia in: Bahkieh/Powerofdeath/Damus_Graves/RLVG

PoD most likely neutral so far.

:)

[Orpz]

r u surrendering?

[Orpz]

Asking so you can be modkilled and we can lynch Louis instead

oh well
Creedkingsx

[creedkingsx]

Yeah, I had no chance to win. Said so in night chat. :(
I was really hoping nobody would realize RLVG's night actions to find PoD, yesterday. It took you guys so fucking long to figure it out. LOL

[Orpz]

:p

GG

Louiswill after, he got the action wrong.

[louiswill]

What, this is unfair.

Creed isn't play ing fair. I won if he is lynched, now you guys think he surrounds and you guys want to lynch me instead?

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[Orpz]

Don't worry buddy

If you're truly Executioner then you'll win when Creed is lynched

[louiswill]

I said citrus being town master first. Please lynch creed just for sake of it

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[Orpz]

Creed is the lynch today lols

[louiswill]

Creed is the lynch today lols

Thanks god. Im in class atm.

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[louiswill]

Hammer anytime slaol, please.

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[creedkingsx]

What, this is unfair.

Creed isn't play ing fair. I won if he is lynched, now you guys think he surrounds and you guys want to lynch me instead?

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They were going to lynch tomorrow, anyway. You've taken just about every opportunity possible to tell everyone you were Arsonist not to mentiont he fact that everyone proved their role. You and I were literally the only two possibilities for lynch today and tomorrow. You lost as soon as nobody was killed N2.

[louiswill]

They were going to lynch tomorrow, anyway. You've taken just about every opportunity possible to tell everyone you were Arsonist not to mentiont he fact that everyone proved their role. You and I were literally the only two possibilities for lynch today and tomorrow. You lost as soon as nobody was killed N2.

That's literally slander. Arsonist can not win without mafia.

If I were arsonist I would side with you not against you. You think Im a game ruiner neutral killer?

You made up the lastwill but Im still coroner.

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[louiswill]

Creed cant be jester, so just lynch him. Damus can check me tonight.

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[creedkingsx]

That's literally slander. Arsonist can not win without mafia.

If I were arsonist I would side with you not against you. You think Im a game ruiner neutral killer?

You made up the lastwill but Im still coroner.

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It's a good thing you pushed so hard on me. Now you know who to blame. :)

[Slaol]

Creedkingsx

Yolo

[The Godfather]

creedkingsx has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


creedkingsx ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/3749') (4 [L-0]): louiswill ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431716'), Damus_Graves ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431824'), Slaol ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431921'), Orpz ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431903')
louiswill ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/1862') (1 [L-3]): RLVG ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=431812')

[Apache]

Do Doctors heal multiple attacks or is OoO just written incorrectly?
the OoO is correct, it heals only 1 attack

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Is it allowed to past or quote anything from feedback, aka, last will?

To be honest, if I get modkilled again, then Cryptonic will ban me from sfm.

it is allowed to quote standard feedback, as they are listed in the setup thread
it is allowed to quote lw's as they are the result of coroner/disguiser action
it is allowed to quote non standard messages (like the you "can't target dead ppl", note that this is just an example i don't confirm i sent it) because they are not standardized so anyone can make them up and no one can confirm or deny it

[Apache]

creed was lynched. His role was Jester. night 4 has started

[Apache]

Epilogue


creedkingsx was lynched. His role was Mafia Master

creedkingsx (4 ): louiswill, Damus_Graves, Slaol, Orpz
louiswill (1 [L-3]): RLVG


The Town has won! Congratulations, Citrus, RLVG, Damus_Graves, Orpz, Slaol, Bahkieh!


creedkingsx has received a warning for surrendering. Technically it's gamethrowing even if the situation is hopeless. If he wasn't going to be lynched either way, it would have been a modkill for gamethrowing.


In the tunnel they decided to lynch Another Black. He was suspicious from when he first showed up. He confessed with his last words and told them Steve Jobs was the Town Master. They searched his pockets and found the solution to the riddle. The professor stated the obvious: So Mafia made that riddle. I thought it was Bahkieh's attempt to tell us who killed him.
Pocket: Sure, why would he do it with a riddle instead of just writing it. Besides he was shot in the head, the Mafia made sure he was dead, so he couldn't write anything.
Professor: Oh you're right. By the way, the solution wouldn't even have given us a hint, I see. It was just for fun apparently.

After the lynch, everyone was relieved. It's over. It's done. Finally.

They marched on, towards the light at the end of the tunnel. When they finally reached it and left the tunnel, it looked like a paradise. They decided to stay there, making a new beginning.
Suddenly Lou Wanted said: I have to confess. I am the vanished Master. I was full of guilt because I didn't prevent all this. I couldn't do this any longer. So I wanted to get lynched the whole time. I want to join you again.
Suma: It's ok. You're forgiven.
Wanted: Oh and I was one of the drunk near your house. I haven't done anything wrong though. I was law abiding all the time.
Suma: Lynch him!



Still alive:

louiswill
Orpz
Slaol
Damus_Graves
RLVG


Graveyard:

Citrus - ??? (killed by the Mafia n1)
powerofdeath - Mafia Master (lynched d3)
Bahkieh - Citizen (killed by the Mafia n3)
creedkingsx - Mafia Master (lynched d4)


Rolelist:

Mafia Master: Hypersniper replaced by creedkingsx
Mafia Master: powerofdeath

Town Master: Citrus
Investigator: RLVG
Detective: Damus_Graves
Doctor: Orpz
Bus Driver: Slaol
Citizen: Bahkieh

Jester: louiswill



Night Actions:

louiswill jester: n0 damus n1 hypersniper n2 jailed n3 no action

citrus town master: n1 sheriff damus
rlvg invest: n1 slaol n2 orpz n3 no action (tried citrus)
damus det: n1 rlvg n2 slaol n3 bahkieh
orpz doctor: n1 louiswill n2 damus n3 damus
slaol bd: n1 slaol x pod n2 damus x louiswill n3 orpz x bahkieh
bahkieh citizen: -

pod mafia: n1 kill citrus n2 execute louiswill
hypersniper creedkingsx mafia: n1 clean citrus n2 kill damus n3 kill orpz


Remaining MYTOWN: 1.5


Thoughts:
Thanks everyone for playing. I hope you enjoyed playing as much as I enjoyed hosting. I was content with the activity and glad we only needed one replacement (I had no other :) ).
I think the balance of the game was ok. I deliberately put no Town Killer in, because the Town Master had a killing charge.
Of course the Town Master, the most interesting role apart from the Mafia, had to die in the first night. Always happens.
Night 2 was really amazing. This night also pretty much ensured the town win. It was funny seeing you putting the clues together.
The riddle was just there for fun. I thought about using creeds RP name as a liar instead of random names but for this the riddle was to easy. You may try to solve the riddle now.
I'm sorry if you expected some big RP. Unfortunately, I had to do them all myself, ika only did the n2 start RP.

The game was originally meant for 13 players. One of the neutrals was supposed to be Amnesiac. This would be cool for RP because the Amnesiac was originally supposed to be the vanished Master who forgot everything. Then, if lucky, he remembers to be a Master again or he remembers a single role, wasting all his potential remembering just a small part of what he once knew. With the small game I couldn't keep the Amne unfortunately, because it would be a game changer.
Furthermore with 3 Mafias, they could've had a lot of more options and used the Master mechanic a lot better.

My next goal is to host a MFM, because the SFM player activity is too low in my opinion.



You may vote now for MVP. MVP needs most votes but minimum 2. [l]5
Orpz was voted for MVP.

You may also try to guess your RP names (they have something do to with you). I will reveal them later.

Since the game is over now, you can focus on the MFM.

[Apache]

If all answers are either yes or no, then,

Case 1: Q1YesQ2yes
Then Alex is liar and Matt is truthful
Case 2: Q1Yes Q2 No
impossible case
Case 3: Q1 No Q2 Yes
Alex is truthful, Matt is liar
Case 4: Q2 No Q2 No
Alex is truthful, Matt is truthful
or Alex is a liar and matt is a liar



Case 4 indicate the conclusion could be implicit.
Try ask an additional question which distinguish both truthful and both liar, and identify one of them to be sure.
So ask either alex or matt:"Am I eating an anpan(red ben bun) right now?"
Then I guess it should be solved.
corrected that for you.

nice try with the additional question but you may not ask anything you know the answer. because otherwise you could just ask both this question and know it in any case

you made a list of all cases but you still have to figure out which case we have here

[Bahkieh]

fulfilled my role as target dummy yay

[Orpz]

Slaol

mvp bus drivings on night 2

[Slaol]

I'm Suma.
Gg guys.
MVP Orpz for lynch on PoD. Finally a game in which my night actions existed, but I was basically just there in day chat.

Orpz

[Orpz]

RP name guess...am I Shakur?

[Apache]

I'm Suma.

wrong

RP name guess...am I Shakur?
right

[louiswill]

I'm not lou wanted, rightttttt. I thought I was the foreign guy who pass this town.

MVP Orpz for healing me.

orpz

conservative mafias are disappointing. I did what I can.

2 charge of jail could have effectively block and kill bus driver and doctor, all you need to do is to push a lynch on me to buy sometime. Pod did try to lynch me but far too effortless.

Or, if you are going to wifom town master, why don't you counter my coroner result anyway.

[Apache]

epilogue made clear you are lou wanted. dead guys are also clear.

btw
mafia chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/EMrsULXBGaG5
jail chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/W7RupsPcr6gr
dead chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/TuD9cTP6thS9

[Apache]

louiswill's lw when he was executed:


Jailor is Powerofdeath, Slaol is veteran
Mafias are Creed and Powerofdeath.
Hopefully I bought sometime for mafia to kill RLVG.
Don't forget about the doctor.

knew both mafia lol

[creedkingsx]

louiswill's lw when he was executed:



knew both mafia lol

I get called mafia every game by the person I set out to make feel like an idiot, it's okay.

[louiswill]

I get called mafia every game by the person I set out to make feel like an idiot, it's okay.

Why not push a lynch on me QQ.

Pod was too familiar with my classic scum town play so he was actually going to execute me. How cruel!

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[creedkingsx]

Why not push a lynch on me QQ.

Pod was too familiar with my classic scum town play so he was actually going to execute me. How cruel!

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cause you were jester. :|

[louiswill]

Why spend a night execute the jester just to pretend jailor while there was no one in jail night one.

I think pod wants to execute me because Im too convincing...

Also why dont you jail and exe cute orpz instead of target ing, if orpz must die.

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[creedkingsx]

Why spend a night execute the jester just to pretend jailor while there was no one in jail night one.

I think pod wants to execute me because Im too convincing...

Also why dont you jail and exe cute orpz instead of target ing, if orpz must die.

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I didn't realize I was PoD or was able to communicate with him outside the game during day time.

[powerofdeath]

I was hoping to get town credit for executing you and become " sorta cleared towny" as a jailor.

Orpz was asking who I jailed night one, I failed to response due to very serious issue irl and RLVG hammered too fast.
I would've answered that i jailed Louiswill twice and make up a convincing story to convince the town I was jailor. The failure of double kills is what hurt us the most. I also feel that there are too many town power roles, and some of them are confirmable roles.

[Damus_Graves]

the only person I would considerfor MVP asidet from myself is slaol.
slaol
Slaol because night phase.
Damus cause day chat and confirming everyone

[creedkingsx]

oh yeah mvp
Orpz

He was the only person to figure PoD after RLVG put night actions out there. I was amazed nobody noticed it.

[louiswill]

I figured it too during the jail time. The lastwill was sent to apache during jail.

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[louiswill]

Slaol thought I was citizen making me desperate to shoot any early victory.

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[Apache]

I also feel that there are too many town power roles, and some of them are confirmable roles.

well there was a citizen. most setups only have one even with 13 ppl. also no sheriff
only busdriver was safe confirmable. though could be faked by maf master

[creedkingsx]

well there was a citizen. most setups only have one even with 13 ppl. also no sheriff
only busdriver was safe confirmable. though could be faked by maf master

Balance was fine, imo. Certain things/people happened that led to maf downfall

[louiswill]

We need a rematch.

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[Apache]

hints for the undisclosed rp names:

Professor Birch from Pokemon
Suma: anagram
Epic Pocket Monster

in 24h i will reveal the names and the mvp poll will close

[Apache]

RP names explained:

Hypersniper as Wassili Saizew: wassili saizew is a very good russian sniper in the movie 'duel'
Creedkingsx as Another Black: obviously. another because of amaru shakur
powerofdeath as Twopeas: Two peas in a pod

Citrus as Steve Jobs: former apple boss -> fruits
RLVG as professor birch: from pokemon ruby/sapphire, rlvg professional pokemon player
damus as aiko suma: suma is an anagram, read it backwards (amus) add d, aiko is a usual japanese name
oprz as amaru shakur: amaru shakur tupac
slaol as epic pocket: sla-oh is an epic pocket monster (pokemon is the actual shortcut for this)
bahkieh as link weakes: his avatar is link from zelda + weakest link because citizen

louiswill as lou wanted: lou = first 3 letters, want is the verb of will (btw what i never wrote is that lou wanted was from seoul, louis backwards is siuol, almost the same. that's why the asian sounding name 'lou' matched)


contrary to what it may have seemed like, the rp had no actual hints. i put some of the day events in, like the vet claim (slaol in afghanistan) and the coroner (louiswill says steve jobs had cancer) claim but i didnt say if it's true or not.
i allowed louiswill to visit n0 for fun. he visited damus (suma) thus the horde of drunk

i implied some more things, just fyi i'll explain them in case you didnt know:

We have to limit the beer consumption, we can't allow kids aged 16 to get wasted like th...
beer drinking age in germany is 16

Just because you asians can't bear booze.
lots of asians actually have problems bearing alcohol

Suma: Bullshit, you're just a Fat Man from the States.
fat man was one of the nuclear bombs thrown at japan

The dog... always dies
happens often in movies. makes ppl often more sad than the death of humans



riddle solution:

we look at the corrected table again


Case 1: Q1YesQ2yes
Then Alex is liar and Matt is truthful
Case 2: Q1Yes Q2 No
impossible case
Case 3: Q1 No Q2 Yes
Alex is truthful, Matt is liar
Case 4: Q2 No Q2 No
Alex is truthful, Matt is truthful
or Alex is a liar and matt is a liar
we know luke figured out the solution, so case 4 is not possible or luke wouldn't know it.
leaves case 1 and 3. we also know that luke didnt know the answer right away after the first question. the only possible case that has a yes in the first question is case 1. so if the answer was yes, luke would instantly know the answer. that's why the answer to the first question has to be a no. so we know case 3 is the correct one.

wasnt so hard, was it? lol next time i put hints in it, so you actually try to solve it :D
the additional questions: as louiswill figured out already, in case 4 luke wouldnt know the solution. however even in this constellation luke can figure out the constellation by asking one additional question to alex: would matt say you are truthful?
if both lie, the answer would be no
if both tell the truth, the answer would be yes
problem solved.

optimal questions to ask no matter what case (always give you the solution): ask the "would he say you are truthful" to both (ask alex first in the following table)
yes, yes: both tell the truth
no, no: both lie
yes, no: alex lies, matt tells truth
no, yes: alex tells truth, matt lies

the riddle was an advanced version of a riddle you may know:
there are 2 keepers, one always lies and the other always tells the truth. find out who is who with one question.
ask the "would he say you tell the truth" question to the first one. if yes, first one lies. if no, second one lies.



Orpz was lynched. His role was MVP

Slaol (2 [L-3]):
Orpz, Damus_Graves
Orpz (3 [L-2]):
Slaol, louiswill, creedkingsx