S-FM 129: Crisis!

[louiswill]

Context:
Post 1: Rules adjustment
Post 2: Link to every day/daily information
Post 3: Game Start!


All adjusted mechanic, Special Mechanic and Rule of conduct for this SFM is posted below.
Link:Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/23530-S-FM-Crisis)

Conduct Rules:
No out of game communication.
No editing posts.
No posting videos or pictures.
No posting links or directing users to another page.
English only.
Last will allowed.
Do not Quote my PM.

Mechanics:
Game starts at Day.
Public chat is opened both day and night, but not twilight and dawn(Twilight and Dawn are when I post conclusion of previous phrases).
Mayor Poll starts when game starts.
Day: As long as mayor want. (As long as the poll is enough to keep him alive.)
Night: As short as when last person who submit their night action.(All Pm decisions are treated as final decision.)
Factions with Chat:
1.Mayor and Sheriff (both night and day)
2.Monopoly and Investor (both night and day)

*Submit actions/decisions by pm.
*Mayor Sheriff chat record will be accessible for new sheriff and sheriff mayor.




Special Mechanic:

1) Appoint of lynch

Mayor/Sheriffmayor pm me to lynch a person.
This/Next day phrase, a majority vote is required to Excuse the person from being lynched.
The person will be lynch at the end of night if mayor remain consistent of previous decision.

If there is no mayor/sheriffmayor then it will be a majority lynch.



2) Over Throw Mayor

vote mayor player to overthrow mayor.
A Sheriff mayor is immune to lynch.

3/4 out of total Vote is needed to overthrow a mayor.(Round Up)
2/3 out of total vote will prevent mayor control of day length.(Round Down)

Overthrow mayor will prevent any mayor appointed lynch,
the mayor will be lynched instead.(Not Sheriff mayor)


3) Promotions and removal of promotions

Put below as addition to existing role cards:


+Sheriff (Unique)

Additional ability:
1.+Detect Faction/employement
2. Become Sheriff mayor (if Mayor is dead)

+Employee

Additional ability:
1. job skip (Permanent, reversable)
2. Can not be mayor or any mafia
3. are avaliable for guard/heal assignment
4. Can not be hired


OoO override Role Card Description
Role Card Description override faction coliance

[louiswill]

Link to games:

Dawn: Begin of Day 1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page2)
Twilight: Begin of Night 1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page10)

Dawn: Begin of Day 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page12)
Twilight: Begin of Night 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!?p=429560#post429560)

Dawn: Begin of Day 3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page14)
Twilight: Begin of Night 3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!?p=430071#post430071)

Dawn: Begin of Day 4 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page18)
Twilight: Begin of Night 4 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page18)

Dawn: Begin of Day 5 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page18)
Twilight: Begin of Night 5 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page18)

Dawn: Begin of Day 6 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page18)

[louiswill]

See post #21, Game Restarted.

[Nick]

(deleted)

[louiswill]

Don't edit/delete post after night 1. It is currently day 1(Pre game.)

Because it is not C.J.

[Orpz]

Setup is sketchy, but not as sketchy as Ika

ika

[powerofdeath]

Totes!

Ika

Ika need to die.

[ika]

ika

made my post will now afk

[Nick]

Please answer questions in Setup thread. Will add the rest later.

[Dagaen]

Ok, I guess it's about time I read how this game even works;]

[Dagaen]

After reading setup: this game works, right? O_O

[Nick]

I don't even know what is my victory condition...

[louiswill]

After reading setup: this game works, right? O_O
The test run is smooth.
My language might be flawed, but the mechanic is German quality.

[Orpz]

I think this is a cult game

and Citizens automatically convert to cult

[louiswill]

For most Victory, a player must achieve their list of goals, and survive till game ends.

Due to many people ask, this one:
"Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players"
Really means,
Group 1 of players (A+M+U+C+C) out number Group 2(Town Leader + mafia etc.)

There will be a daily information given for that, such as Post #3. Do not worry about that, just kill as less as possible to avoid a universal nobody win.


Game End:
Game only End when everyone alive is winner or Investor escape under certain conditions. Pretty much!

I will post a deadline for day 1 tomorrow, in case there are more questions need to be cleared.

[Dagaen]

Ok, let's take a Citizen for example:

"N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist
"

So what, Citizens can become one of those 3 factions at will? Or do they have to be converted first? But there is no Anachylist in the setup!

[louiswill]

Ok, let's take a Citizen for example:

"N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist
"

So what, Citizens can become one of those 3 factions at will? Or do they have to be converted first? But there is no Anachylist in the setup!

There is no anarchylist/communist/mob in starting role list. Those role cards are under each factions. It is all player's choice.

[Nick]

Citizens auto lose when they choose to become Citizen or recruited as Citizen+Employee?

Because their victory condition is to kill everyone in Mafia faction.

[Nick]

Ye all. I'm Union Leader! RVLG and PoD are Mafia. Get em. GG.

[louiswill]

Temp Close

I made a huge mistake when I send our informations.

I send some information to multiple people at once.

It is unintended. I might have to Reroll the list.

However it is getting late for me 12AM X_X

The mail box system is too convenient for telling other people about multiple repentant.


I think I will close the thread for now.

I will resend role cards individually tomorrow...

I never expected this kind of error....

[louiswill]

Day 1 <PreGame> Day End Time if Mayor doesn't choose (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=6%3A00+am+2%2F28%2F14+PST)

Alive Players:
1. Orpz <Mayor>
2. PowerofDeath
3. Nick
4. Hypersniper
5. Bahkieh
6. Citrus
7. ThinkLiveLife
8. Ika
9. RLVG
10. Dagaen
11. Frog


Daily information:
Daily Ratio of working classes: 7/11 ~ 70%
Lower Class Number Calculation: Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen = 8
Employeement statue: 3/3 are employeed
Poll of Mayor: 11/11

<Oddginger Profit Log>
Writer: A log of Oddginger

Financial Crisis! Unemployeement is Skyroketing

Bath as Sault, the main economic pillar of Tropica, filed its yearly financial report two days ago. Apparently the shocking number devastated oversea investor's last hope. The net profit of export income dropped nearly 90%. Oversea shareholders rushed and sold every stock they have. "The company value sinks like a piece of flushed junk." said by an ex-employee.

The company has called for an emergency meeting yesterday. over 50% Job were cut immediately. Worker Union predicts more job losses and prepares to fight back any time.

In a recent speech, an executive of the company said, "During the shadow of current global recession, the company remained confident in sale of its key product Bathassault(Bathsalt)." However, the unexpected financial crisis drives whole town in turmoil. An unamed spokeman today insists Financial Dept. made the mistakes in financial report.


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*In this game, vote anyone other than mayor means 'Pardon'.
voting mayor means Coup against Government.
After mayor/sheriffmayor dies, the mechanic becomes a majority lynch.

1 Monopoly
1 investor
1 Mayor
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
1 Union Leader

[Frog]

/sign

Damn it, I've pre signed for this game a long time ago :(

[Nick]

I'm still employed because I'm productive and efficient.

[RLVG]

Setup so difficult to read. Man. Union = Neutral4ever, Mafia = Cult?
No matter how much I try to read, lol.

[Orpz]

Ika

This time he is scum

[Frog]

Oh by the way I'm in the game now.

[louiswill]

I will assist as much as I can, but I have no intention to interve the game. Please ask as much as you can Day 1.

Frog is in the game. He pmed me during the Temp Close.


Setup so difficult to read. Man. Union = Neutral4ever, Mafia = Cult?
No matter how much I try to read, lol.

Comparison For brain food:

Union Leader ~ Witch Doctor/survivor
Communist ~ Cultist
Mayor ~ Mayor
Citizen ~ Citizen/Amnesiac
Monopoly ~ Godfather
Investor ~ Framer
Anarchylist ~ Citizen/Mason
Mob ~ Serial Killer

[RLVG]

Been reading the setup a bit, wondering where the blue ones come.
The Union Leader target someone N1 to make someone blue?

If not, how does the blue come?

[louiswill]

Citizens choose to become or join blue whenever they want to.


Been reading the setup a bit, wondering where the blue ones come.
The Union Leader target someone N1 to make someone blue?

If not, how does the blue come?

A sample:


Citizen:

Goal:
Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players
Kill all Mobs
Survive

N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist
4. (Passive) Auto Die (if not hired, no action taken and no mayor visit)

[ika]

Ika

This time he is scum

not scum but not one fuck given

[Citrus]

not scum but not one fuck given

How about two fucks given?

Ika

[Citrus]

How about two fucks given?

Ika

And by 2 I really mean 51

[powerofdeath]

Ika deserve to die. Don't vote ika = Ika get lynched. Vote ika = Ika live

[RLVG]

Ika deserve to die. Don't vote ika = Ika get lynched. Vote ika = Ika live

I don't understand this logic.

[ika]

*In this game, vote anyone other than mayor means 'Pardon'.

so that mean if you vote someone other then mayor its to pardon my execution.

[Orpz]

not scum but not one fuck given

Correct answer

next target
RLVG

[Orpz]

According to the setup, I can have one sheriffbitch

Ika, you're HIRED

[Orpz]

What happens if I try to make a Red/yellow my bitch?

[Orpz]

This setup looks completely different from normal Mafia because of Louis's English, but hop that barrier and it's comprehendable

[RLVG]

Correct answer

next target
RLVG

Zero fucks given. It's day 1, we have no leads, and there's a fucking Mayor with an one-shot-lynch.
I also have no idea what the setup is about and I'm even confused about my own role due multiple PM's.

[louiswill]

Please use the latest Role card I send.


What happens if I try to make a Red/yellow my bitch?

Depend on the player. They may betray you, or they may be your allies.


Breaking News:

Secret Police is appointed!

The mayor announced his first step to deal with the chaotic situation.

Rumor criticizes that mayor's move is a copy of KGB Soviet Union or worse, Gestapo of Nazi German.

"No, It is a Sheriff! A SHERIFF I TELL YA!" Mayor Orpz yelled at camera man during a brief interview.

Imagin of a Gastapo uniform
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm82/Bimmy976/wwii-nazi-german-ss-m32-uniform-set-541a8.jpg?t=1305843168

[Bahkieh]

I knew it. Leave to the Mayor to bring back the Gestapo. Next we are gonna start hunting jews and giving them showers

[powerofdeath]

wut? i dont understand this

[powerofdeath]

I got a pm saying louiswill is rerolling the list. I am guessing we are all getting a new role.

[louiswill]

I got a pm saying louiswill is rerolling the list. I am guessing we are all getting a new role.

If anyone has any confusion about their role, PM me to confirm.

Explanation of my mistakes:

When I sent out citizen Role cards, I was lazy and I sent all cards using a group pm.
The recipient was able to see who else are receivers of the same message.
That meant I just gave out whole role list.
I rerolled role list, during the temp close Post #20
Then I sent out new roles (except Orpz), around 1AM 2/26.

Always use the latest role card and discard the older one.

Ask as many questions as you can,
Hopefully Everyone has as less problem as possible after day 1.

Orpz has the ultimate right to skip the day Phrase anytime he want to.

[Orpz]

Wait...so...I can appoint someone as my Sheriff but there's a chance they won't be aligned with me? FUCK

[Orpz]

Zero fucks given. It's day 1, we have no leads, and there's a fucking Mayor with an one-shot-lynch.
I also have no idea what the setup is about and I'm even confused about my own role due multiple PM's.

RLVG confirmed to have different roles, implying he's likely not a Citizen as they are the only Town faction besides me.

[Nick]

I don't care as long as I'm gainfully employed.

[Nick]

Oh! Monopoly and Investor have conflicting goals and can NEVER win together. Worse, they NEED each other dead to win. Mafia night chat is a noob trap. Don't use it.

[RLVG]

Oh! Monopoly and Investor have conflicting goals and can NEVER win together. Worse, they NEED each other dead to win. Mafia night chat is a noob trap. Don't use it.

... With all the Citizen, it's now a total FFA, even the mafia?
Man, this setup.

[Nick]

Union Leader should reveal so that Mayor won't mistakenly lynch Union Leader. No use hiding since Investor can fire everyone except you.

[Nick]

If I'm employed now but fired tonight, will I die of hunger tonight?

[louiswill]

If I'm employed now but fired tonight, will I die of hunger tonight?

No. IF a player is employed currently(They will notice a +employee attaching on their role card), the scenario will be like this:

1. Night 1 Investor choose to fire the player.
2. Dawn of Day 2 the player will be notified unemployment through feedback.
3. Night 2 the player is in danger of miserable death from hunger and cold. If no actions, then...
4. Dawn of Day 3 the player will be appeared dead like the girl who sells matches.

[Helz]

Lets make a sheriff god mayor if the sheriff dies!

[RLVG]

Union Leader should reveal so that Mayor won't mistakenly lynch Union Leader. No use hiding since Investor can fire everyone except you.

I've been thinking on this one even though it's too late so my brain is a slush.
At the start of the game, there's no danger of me claiming.

Union here. Need the Monopoly dead only.

[Orpz]

I've been thinking on this one even though it's too late so my brain is a slush.
At the start of the game, there's no danger of me claiming.

Union here. Need the Monopoly dead only.

So Greens can win with you? Alright

Dagaen

If my Sheriff dies, can I appoint a new one?

[Nick]

So Greens can win with you? Alright

Dagaen

If my Sheriff dies, can I appoint a new one?

As long as you lynch Investor first. And no Citizens become Mobs. If not, Union Leader will solo win.

[Nick]

No senseless lynching please. We can win this with only Investor and Monopoly dead. Everyone else wins.

[Nick]

@RVLG
Who else employed? Employed cannot be Monopoly, Investor. Shorten the list for Sheriff (assuming that Sheriff is not mafia)
You should rally the unemployed Citizens to be Communist. Not my job.

[Nick]

Depend on the player. They may betray you, or they may be your allies.


You sure? Mayor can only win if all reds are dead.

[Dagaen]

Oh! Monopoly and Investor have conflicting goals and can NEVER win together. Worse, they NEED each other dead to win. Mafia night chat is a noob trap. Don't use it.

I'm stull unsure about this setup, but I'm pretty sure helping Mafs is a bad thing?

Being fired = killed?

[Dagaen]

Hmm, apparently no.

So being hired is a good thing or bad? I mean Mafia can hire people, so probably the latter, but if Citizen gets fired this means his potential death...

Oh and since Citizens can become whatever wouldn't it make sense for everyone to become the same thing?

[Dagaen]

Orpz, don't expect me to defend myself, right now I don't even know who I really am:D

[Nick]

Possible roles:
Monopoly
Investor
Mayor
SheriffMayor (promoted +Sheriff if Mayor is dead)
Citizen
Union Leader
Communist (from Citizen's choice, or recruited Anarchist)
Anarchist (from Citizen's choice)
Mob (from Citizen's choice, or promoted Anarchist if Monopoly is dead)

Modifiers:
+Employee
+Sheriff

[Orpz]

Orpz, don't expect me to defend myself, right now I don't even know who I really am:D

r u Monopoly? r u Investor?

[Nick]

r u Monopoly? r u Investor?
I think Monopoly and Investor are not your enemies... only Mobs..

[Nick]

If you kill Monopoly then all Anarchist will become Mobs. You don't like Mobs.

[louiswill]

So Greens can win with you? Alright

Dagaen

If my Sheriff dies, can I appoint a new one?

You can appoint a NEW sheriff at any time at any condition at any phrase.
However, I hope you only appoint once per phrase because I have to send new role card and setup new Mayor Channel.
The new sheriff can only start to use sheriffscan at NEXT night phrase.
There can only be ONE sheriff at any give time.


You sure? Mayor can only win if all reds are dead.

I can't give you a public answer on the Win Maze, which is a major part of the game.
However, I can answer you in PM, if you need.

Goals for Mayor:
Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players
Kill all Mobs,
Survive
Finish the game in 8 days

Mayor will win when all above goals are satisfied and game ends.


I'm stull unsure about this setup, but I'm pretty sure helping Mafs is a bad thing?
Meta topic is for players to discuss. The world is often not black and white, but ideology will guide everyone's path.

Being fired = killed?

No. Fired really means "Framed", because Citizens with no job are less likely to remain its citizen alignment.
Fired/unemployed citizens are jobless and can not survive the coming night.
People need to survive somehow in an economically fucked world, but usually not a citizen.
There are only 3 employees currently.

[Orpz]

I think I'm beginning to understand

ok guys if ur a citizen in ur role card it says
"
N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist"

this doesnt mean u become Mob n1, then Communist n2, then Anachylist n3
the N just means it's a night ability, and the numbers r just numbering.

so any night u have a choice of being 1 of those 3.

Don't be a mob. Thanks.

[Dagaen]

I think Monopoly and Investor are not your enemies... only Mobs..

Wait, this doesn't seem right.

Mayor: Goal: Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players

If I read this corretly we have to kill both Investor and Monopoly and Mob can win with us! Unless I'm completely misunderstood it.

[Citrus]

I think I'm beginning to understand

ok guys if ur a citizen in ur role card it says
"
N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist"

this doesnt mean u become Mob n1, then Communist n2, then Anachylist n3
the N just means it's a night ability, and the numbers r just numbering.

so any night u have a choice of being 1 of those 3.

Don't be a mob. Thanks.

Or is it on those specific nights you have the choice to become thus? :O

[Nick]

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader and Sheriff too?

[Dagaen]

So: Citizens can win basically with everyone, except Monopoly?

[Nick]

I can't give you a public answer on the Win Maze, which is a major part of the game.


How can we play the game if we don't know the win conditions for all factions?

[Dagaen]

What does it mean to skip job?

C'mon Nick, haven't you ever play sc2mafia with bunch of newbies in a troll setup? It's like that!:D

[louiswill]

Wait, this doesn't seem right.

Mayor: Goal: Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players

If I read this corretly we have to kill both Investor and Monopoly and Mob can win with us! Unless I'm completely misunderstood it.

That is the PART of the goal for mayor. Satisfy only this part is not enough.
For example, when the game start, this condition actually meet already.
8 citizens, 1mayor 2mafia 1UnionLeader, that is
8+1>2+1
9>3

The game won't end until everyone alive meets their goals.


For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader and Sheriff too?
Sheriff is not considered employeed because sheriff is nonprofit volunteer. :)


How can we play the game if we don't know the win conditions for all factions?

You can't. That's why ask me in PM or discuss with other players.


What does it mean to skip job?
C'mon Nick, haven't you ever play sc2mafia with bunch of newbies in a troll setup? It's like that!:D

A random employee may receive an assignment from monopoly(IT IS A DAY ACTION)
The assignment will be sent to employee through PM once the assignment is given.
Jobskip allow the employee to disobey the Monopoly(Boss).
For example:
Monopoly: You worthless dog go Guard the Mayor!
Employee A: No just NO.
If at night the mayor is attacked, the mayor may die.

Everyone is so Pro today, I hope this setup to bring everyone all the good old days when you first time play mafia.

Dumb and exciting.



Are Mobs allowed to win independently of Anarchist?
I see that only Anarchist can win independently of Mobs in the examples.

Mob can win without Anarchist.
For example, Mob can with by getting a job from monopoly, then win with mafia
Or
Simply chop off everyone else.

[Nick]

Are Mobs allowed to win independently of Anarchist?

I see that only Anarchist can win independently of Mobs in the examples.

[Nick]

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader and Sheriff too?

[Nick]

C'mon Nick, haven't you ever play sc2mafia with bunch of newbies in a troll setup? It's like that!:D

It's like having a rolelist that misinforms newbie Survivors that they can only win with Town, or worse misinforms newbie SKs that they can win with Town.

[Nick]

However, I can answer you in PM, if you need.


Even if you answer me in PM I'll be discussing with everyone else...

[Dagaen]

Now the questions is...can we somehow win all together?

Monopoly just needs to survive.
Investor needs to fire everyone, but if I understand it correctly, being fired != being dead.
Mayor/Sheriff/Citizen has to kill all Mobs, bu we don't have any Mobs.
Union Leader has to kill Monopoly.
Communist: Kill monopoly, Investor, Anachylist and mob
Anachylist: Kill Mayor and Commies
Mob: Basically kill everyone

Ok, so here's my plan.

All Citizens remain Citizens (is that possible?).


That way we have only Union Leader vs Monopoly problem. But since Union Leader wins with Commies and Commies will make this game confusing, perhaps it's better to kill UL now to prevent this?

Inventor will fire everyone and we can all win since almost all roles have citizen > rest of the players!

[Orpz]

Citizens can't remain Citizens or they die

Dagaen confirmed noncitizen

[Orpz]

alright all citizens become Communists plz

[Orpz]

I'll have my sheriff check out Dagaen if he isn't lynched by then

[Dagaen]

Citizens can't remain Citizens or they die

Dagaen confirmed noncitizen


Citizen:

Goal:
Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players
Kill all Mobs
Survive

N1. Become Mob
N2. Become Communist
N3. Become Anachylist
4. (Passive) Auto Die (if not hired, no action taken and no mayor visit)

Citizen needs to be hired, but if I read this correctly Citizen/Employee is still Citizen.

[Dagaen]

I'll have my sheriff check out Dagaen if he isn't lynched by then

Fine with me, lol.

[Dagaen]

Are Citizens forced to become something else?

[louiswill]

Other answers see #76


Even if you answer me in PM I'll be discussing with everyone else...

It is no problem. Conduct rules says "do not quote my PM."
It is a legit strategy to claim a wrong information from designer to swing the game flow.
For example, Claiming bus will always change information bitch slaps noob investors.
A lot of wrongful understanding in Sc2mafia is actually intentionally spreaded by Pros.


Are Citizens forced to become something else?

Lets say, citizens are under pressure of making a choice.

Though I do not sue those who choose to die, but really it is soft game-throw if you are a citizen but choose to die.

[Nick]

Update 1.01: Changed faction colors to reflect win conditions

Possible roles:
Monopoly
Investor
Mayor
SheriffMayor (promoted +Sheriff if Mayor is dead)
Citizen
Union Leader
Communist (from Citizen's choice, or recruited Anarchist)
Anarchist (from Citizen's choice)
Mob (from Citizen's choice, or promoted Anarchist if Monopoly is dead)

Modifiers:
+Employee
+Sheriff

[Nick]

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader? You missed my question.

[Dagaen]

Wait, I stil don't get it.

Citizens have to be hired to live, right? But what if they are hired, but don't want to choose to be Commie/Mob/etc? Can we end the game with Citizens remain Citizens?

[louiswill]

For Investor to win, need to fire Union Leader? You missed my question.


Yes. The investor has to fire union leader.


Citizens have to be hired to live, right? But what if they are hired, but don't want to choose to be Commie/Mob/etc? Can we end the game with Citizens remain Citizens?


The mayor has an ability to save one citizen from dying, so not everyone has to stay hired.
As long as a citizen is hired, the citizen can 'safely' remain citizen.
Of course you can end game with citizens remain citizens but it isn't easy to achieve.
Especially when lurking players are in the game.

[Nick]

Update 1.01: Changed faction colors to reflect win conditions
Update 1.10: Added starting role list



Possible roles:
Monopoly
Investor
Mayor
SheriffMayor (promoted +Sheriff if Mayor is dead)
Citizen
Union Leader
Communist (from Citizen's choice, or recruited Anarchist)
Anarchist (from Citizen's choice)
Mob (from Citizen's choice, or promoted Anarchist if Monopoly is dead)

Modifiers:
+Employee
+Sheriff


Monopoly
Investor
Mayor
Citizen+Employee
Citizen+Employee
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Union Leader+Employee

Total 11 players.

[Nick]

I suppose additional one Citizen was added after Frog joined?

[louiswill]

I suppose additional one Citizen was added after Frog joined?


I sent out couple invitation during Temp Close post #20.

Frog joint the game during the Temp Close by Pm, so I was able to reroll the list with him included.
On the other hand, Necrothread didn't get in the game because he signed in too late(I already rerolled the list).
(What a pity, he might be a perfect anachylist...who knows...)
It is a nice guess. Because most of people is getting citizen card anyway, you might be right.

[Dagaen]

Ok, so half of Citizens (employed ones) can remain Citizens which is probably the safest choice for us. Rest should go Commie, since frankly, I don't see any benefit in being Mob.

[ika]

louis if you just pm nick its unfair, it was asked publicly so you need to publicly answer it otherwise you are being bastardized host.

[Nick]

Frog joint the game during the Temp Close by Pm, so I was able to reroll the list with him included.
Erm... you cannot rerole the list with him included because there are only 10 roles in the Setup Approval thread.


It is a nice guess. Because most of people is getting citizen card anyway, you might be right.
I just want to know what role you added to make it a total of 11 roles. I'm not interested in Frog's role.

[louiswill]

louis if you just pm nick its unfair, it was asked publicly so you need to publicly answer it otherwise you are being bastardized host.

You misunderstand. I didn't PM Nick. I was saying Nick can pm me with a more precised question.

Nick understand better is only because he is trying harder. So far Nick hasn't asked me much privately.

Some question are avoided because they are too large.
In private pm, I can explain according to questioner's current role and confusions.
Do not worry, I will be fair. Criticize me after game. Everyone can pm me and ask questions.
I will be as active as I can, especially day 1.

[louiswill]

Erm... you cannot rerole the list with him included because there are only 10 roles in the Setup Approval thread.



I just want to know what role you added to make it a total of 11 roles. I'm not interested in Frog's role.



I did it before game officially start.
Sorry, I won't do it next time if you feel unconfortable. I promise you that it won't be an impact on balance.
Because I only add citizens. All other roles are unique.

I will post role list in Post #21

[Nick]

Is SheriffMayor considered Mayor? For factions that want Mayor dead, do they need to make sure that SheriffMayor is also dead? Must +Sheriff become SheriffMayor or can they choose not to?

[louiswill]

Is SheriffMayor considered Mayor? For factions that want Mayor dead, do they need to make sure that SheriffMayor is also dead? Must +Sheriff become SheriffMayor or can they choose not to?

Sheriffmayor is still a mayor but with a slightly different role card.
For anachylist to win, make sure no government role (Mayor/Sheriffmayor)exist.
The sheriff can choose, it is not a passive ability.
The sheriff can choose to start his political career anytime after Mayor died.

The mechanic has considered every possibility.:)

[Nick]

For Poll of Mayor...

Does it include the vote from Mayor? Or it only include the 10 non-Mayor votes?
1/4 and 1/3 support rounded up or rounded down?

[Nick]

Anarchist and Communist don't need to survive to win?

[louiswill]

For Poll of Mayor...

Does it include the vote from Mayor? Or it only include the 10 non-Mayor votes?
1/4 and 1/3 support rounded up or rounded down?

1/4 round up - because it will kill the mayor
1/3 round down - because it restore people's power on day length
It is modified into vote.
If you vote mayor, it means you disapprove what mayor is doing.

Maybe I should include this thing in Post #1.


Anarchist and Communist don't need to survive to win?

No, they do not need to survive.
They are mutant and evolved idealists who devote to a common goal.
They will be considered winner as long as one of their own faction made to the end of game and won.

[Dagaen]

No, they do not need to survive.


Ok, that settles it. Go Commie, Citizenry sucks.

Well I think I'm starting to figure out things:D

[louiswill]

Ok, that settles it. Go Commie, Citizenry sucks.

Well I think I'm starting to figure out things:D

Citizen win is like happyeverafter win in Sc2mafia. It is intended to be hard, but it is still possible.

Please do not directly use my explanation to swing people.....I might be disencouraged to answer more questions.:(

[Citrus]

God I'm confused as fuck, I wish this wasn't a busy week for me so I had time to try and figure this out

[Nick]

So it includes the vote from Mayor? Total 11 votes then...

Oops sorry. Rounding does not matter, since it's "less than", any value will do...


This/Next day phrase, a majority vote is required to Excuse the person from being lynched.

IF a Mayor has less than 1/4 support, it will be mod killed
IF a Mayor has less than 1/3 support, lynch will not happen

Those two phrases in red contradict each other.

[Nick]

Citizen win is like happyeverafter win in Sc2mafia. It is intended to be hard, but it is still possible.

Please do not directly use my explanation to swing people.....I might be disencouraged to answer more questions.:(

Not nice to hide unbalanced mechanics through obfuscation.

[louiswill]

So it includes the vote from Mayor? Total 11 votes then...

Oops sorry. Rounding does not matter, since it's "less than", any value will do...



Those two phrases in red contradict each other.

"Support" is different from "Vote", but there are relationship
Total support ~ Total players who did not vote mayor
(Mayor definitely will support itself.)
For special Mechanic, read Post #1 instead of what posted in setup link, because of adjustment(I can't post Poll in this forum).



1) Appoint of lynch
Spoiler : Lynch :

Mayor/Sheriffmayor pm me to lynch a person.
This/Next day phrase, a majority vote is required to Excuse the person from being lynched.
The person will be lynch at the end of night if mayor remain consistent of previous decision.

If there is no mayor/sheriffmayor then it will be a majority lynch.

2) Over Throw Mayor

vote mayor player to overthrow mayor.
A Sheriff mayor is immune to lynch.

3/4 out of total Vote is needed to overthrow a mayor.(Round Up)
2/3 out of total vote will prevent mayor control of day length.(Round Down)

Overthrow mayor will prevent any mayor appointed lynch,
the mayor will be lynched instead.(Not Sheriff mayor)


3/4 out of total Vote is needed to overthrow a mayor.(Round Up)
2/3 out of total vote will prevent mayor control of day length.(Round Down)

So Atm, 9 votes out of 11 is need to overthrow Orpz.
7 votes on Orpz will prevent him from ending day early.

[Dagaen]

Ok, Commies win together even when they die. But do they have to be hired to stay alive?

[Nick]

All Citizens become Mob and kill everyone else. People POWER. GG.

[Nick]

Ok, Commies win together even when they die. But do they have to be hired to stay alive?
Being commies work too...

[Dagaen]

The thing is game ends when everybody wins.

But let's look at win condition:
Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players
Kill all Mobs,

So basically Mobs count towards win-con, but at the same time we have to kill them. Stuff like that makes this game really confusing:P

And who the hell would even pick Mob? Greens and Yellows want Mob dead, Reds don't give a fuck. Unless I miss smth Blue is a really bad choice.

[Dagaen]

So:

1) Every Citizen goes Commie
2) Find Monopoly
3) Find Investor (not sure here)
4) Win?

"(Passive)Underground movement : a member list if population < Anachylist -1" - what does that mean? Will Commies receive list of their members?

[Nick]

If all Citizens become Mobs. Mobs can't kill mobs, with enough mobs can block mayor lynch, night immune union leader revealed... But commies easier to win.

[Nick]

So:

1) Every Citizen goes Commie
2) Find Monopoly
3) Find Investor (not sure here)
4) Win?

"(Passive)Underground movement : a member list if population < Anachylist -1" - what does that mean? Will Commies receive list of their members?

Wont happen with all commies cits

[Nick]

This game is communist propaganda.

[Dagaen]

So I guess I'm going back to be a Commie. Ironic, technically I was born as a Commie:D

[Dagaen]

Orpz, you want me to claim or what? I can say if I'm employed or not.

If you are serious about this lynch, I ask you to postpone it till tomorrow. That way I won't insta-lose.

[Nick]

Not lynching unless commies, or Sheriff found red/blue scum.

-vote no lynch

[Frog]

From what I understand, I have nothing to lose by lynching Dagaen.

Dagaen

[Nick]

From what I understand, I have nothing to lose by lynching Dagaen.

Dagaen

I see a Monopoly/Investor raging at Dagaen for advocating Commie ending.

[Frog]

I'll have you know I am democratic citizen exercising my right to vote. I want nothing more than to cuddle up to Mayor Orpz without you hippies marching on our lawn.

[Nick]

Die you greedy capitalist! We'll take over your ill-gotten money and build a fair society.

[RLVG]

@RVLG
Who else employed? Employed cannot be Monopoly, Investor. Shorten the list for Sheriff (assuming that Sheriff is not mafia)
You should rally the unemployed Citizens to be Communist. Not my job.

You.
Me.
PoD.

[Nick]

Our Mayor needs Communists to remain invulnerable. Your ilk spawned angry Mobs which threatened our Mayor's security.

[Nick]

Our Mayor needs Communists to remain invulnerable. Your ilk spawned angry Mobs which threatened our Mayor's security.

Directed to Frog, the cold-blooded animal.

[Dagaen]

Votes do nothing anyway, Orpz will do as he pleases. We want communism, we have our Stalin.

[Dagaen]

Jorpzeph Stalin.

[Orpz]

yea uh yea yea i random lynch often
and my curtains r iron
jorpzeph stalin
always ballin

claim, talk and shit and ill unvote when i get to school

[Dagaen]

Well I claim simple, unemployed Citizen, duh.

[louiswill]

"(Passive)Underground movement : a member list if population < Anachylist -1" - what does that mean? Will Commies receive list of their members?

Correct. under the condition when they are minority compare to anarchylist.


Ok, Commies win together even when they die. But do they have to be hired to stay alive?

No they do not. Commies share resources with each other, so they survive somehow w/o a job. :P

[RLVG]

Well I claim simple, unemployed Citizen, duh.

An unemployed citizen?
... A gamer!

Or the ultimate blackmarket Monopolyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy guy who keep getting jailed in monopoly.

[Hypersniper]

oi im the commie

ive been a real and fake commie longer then orpz

buuuut i hate stalin so im Lenin

[Dagaen]

No they do not. Commies share resources with each other, so they survive somehow w/o a job. :P

Ok, so everybody goes Commie. GG?

I mean I don't know what Mafs can do at this point. Investor can fire people but we won't care. Monopoly can hire people but we won't care. And if won't win nobody wins.

[Dagaen]

*if we won't win

[Orpz]

agreed

[Orpz]

powerofdeath

claim or die
claim ur planned new role

[RLVG]

powerofdeath

claim or die
claim ur planned new role

Employed together with RLVG and Nick.

[Orpz]

Employed together with RLVG and Nick.

wat

[RLVG]

wat

Current employees: RLVG, Nick, PowerOfDeath.

B plz.

[Orpz]

how did u get employees before the game started wat

[Dagaen]

how did u get employees before the game started wat

Is Soviet Russia job seeks you!

[louiswill]

Everyone that has need use their Day actions before day ends in 22 hours or some.


how did u get employees before the game started wat

Monopoly, Investor and Union leader knows employee list at beginning of the day(as a result from an invisible night 0), so I hand them the employee list when game start. Otherwise they can't function(see their role cards.).

Btw if I hadn't explained the lynch already:

Mayor will pm me at a night to appoint a target to lynch.
The next day the target will go through a innocent vote.
Then next night the target will be lynched and appear dead in news.
At that night, mayor can pm me to appoint another target to lynch.
Etc.

Welcome to Bureaucracy.

[RLVG]

Well... Shall I keep revealing the employer list from now on? /gamebreak

[louiswill]

Well... Shall I keep revealing the employer list from now on? /gamebreak

There is no such a thing called employer list. Monopoly is the only employer. Investor is just a job destroyer.
Do whatever you want with the information you have. No problem. Nothing is broken.

[RLVG]

There is no such a thing called employer list. Monopoly is the only employer. Investor is just a job destroyer.
Do whatever you want with the information you have. No problem. Nothing is broken.

Do this mean that the list the Union receives, include the Monopoly and Investor?

[louiswill]

Do this mean that the list the Union receives, include the Monopoly and Investor?

No. The emp-list are people with a +employee on their received role card. Mafia faction are never employees. They make a live by half by lending out capita, half by sucking your labor output.

[RLVG]

I didn't even properly read the setup, so with this slip I'm confirmed Union by this point.
Lololol.

[RLVG]

Orpz, vote for someone that's not PoD, Nick and RLVG.

[Dagaen]

This is a game when everything is made up and votes don't matter.

Orpz will just choose someone at night to lynch. This means that if Sheriff targets another person then this guy will be lynched 2 days later, lol. This system really sounds communistic!

[powerofdeath]

Yo! I havent even looked at my new role

[powerofdeath]

*checked PM* Louiswill never gave me my new role...

[powerofdeath]

Current employees: RLVG, Nick, PowerOfDeath.

B plz.

Orpz, lynch this guy. He is confirmed Monopoly, Investor, or Union.

[Dagaen]

PoD, why do you have same avatar as Frog? It creeps me out.

[RLVG]

Orpz, lynch this guy. He is confirmed Monopoly, Investor, or Union.

I'm the fucking Union, because : I didn't know that Monopoly and Investor is NOT in the Employee list, and I have myself added in there.
That's too much of a gambit for a Monopoly / Investor to do if they don't even know the setup.

I'm the fucking Union, so leave me alone lol.
I just confirmed Nick and PoD to not be Monopoly / Investor, would they really do that?

The best interest of the Monopoly / Investor, is to not give this sensetive information.

Speaking of which : My first role was the Monopoly, before I got switched into the Union.
This was the employer list I had : PowerOfDeath, ThinkLiveLife, Dagaen.

Now I'm Union, with RLVG, Nick, PowerOfDeath.

[powerofdeath]

PoD, why do you have same avatar as Frog? It creeps me out.

I use this avatar as a host for Survivors. Frog decided to take it to troll Survivors in Stab! I don't why he didn't change it back yet. I'll change mine soon.

[RLVG]

PowerOfDeath, ThinkLiveLife, Dagaen.


RLVG, Nick, PowerOfDeath.


1. Orpz - Mayor
2. PowerofDeath - Confirms having his PM unchanged, Cleared
3. Nick -Cleared.
4. Hypersniper - Lurk
5. Bahkieh - Lurk
6. Citrus - Aggressive
7. ThinkLiveLife - ???, Former employee.
8. Ika - Gives not a fuck
9. RLVG - Union, Cleared.
10. Dagaen - Claims unemployed, changed.
11. Frog - ???

Meta : Dagaen should be scum.

[Dagaen]

Are you meta me or Host?

What about TLL?

[Dagaen]

It doesn't really matter. After tonight I'm going to be yellow and I won't care anymore^^

[RLVG]

Are you meta me or Host?

What about TLL?

Setup and Host.
TLL is not in the spotlight for not having claimed something.

You however, claimed to have changed been changed and since you were a former employee, the chance of unemployed and mafia would be equal...
... Based math.

We need more information, imo.

[Dagaen]

I have no idea what you are saying, but right now every non-confirmed player will claim unemployed citizen or Mafia. Nothing else to claim.

[RLVG]

I have no idea what you are saying, but right now every non-confirmed player will claim unemployed citizen or Mafia. Nothing else to claim.

If everyone goes Yellow, we can pick out the ones that remain.

[louiswill]

*checked PM* Louiswill never gave me my new role...


My inbox says your role card was sent Feb 26 12:51 am.

[Bahkieh]

Hey sorry. Had work and just finished reading. This game is a mindfuck

[Orpz]

PoD will be lynched today unless the people innocent him.

discuss

[RLVG]

PoD is confirmed Non-Red, wtf.
Don't lynch.

Did you even read?

[Orpz]

I misspoke

ThinkLiveLife

[Nick]

Sheriff checks one, we lynch another. Can finish in max 4 days. GG.

Monopoly and Investor pls suicide k thanks.

[louiswill]

Day phrase will end in a few hours, everyone with day actions submit necessary actions.

[Orpz]

Alright TLL confirmed to die today

[louiswill]

Alright TLL confirmed to die today

The fastest speed you can ensure the first lynch is by

(Mayor lynch)
0. Day 1 Nothing
1. Night 1 Pm me a name to appoint lynch
2. Day 2 Majority innocent vote was not past
3. Night 2 You confirm the lynch - Lynch target at Dawn.
4. Day 3 Target appear dead.

It is a basically delayed kill.

"The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is inefficiency. An efficient bureaucracy is the greatest threat to liberty."

-----Eugene McCarthy, Time magazine (12 February 1979)


6 hours (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26110-S-FM-Crisis!/page2) till Day end, or Orpz can end the day anytime by pm me.

[Nick]

Are you sure the target can still perform night actions during N2 after being confirmed for lynch during D2...

I thought the rules said Mayor can extend the day length according to his fancy, not end the day early. Or am I mistaken?
If Mayor can end the day early then technically his lynch choices are absolute and he can never be overthrown.

[Nick]

Oh Sheriff check lurkers other than ThinkLiveLife. If ThinkLiveLife is Citizen he should be Communist tomorrow. No need to spare him and waste time.

I suggest that Sheriff checks Hypersniper. We can lynch Citrus next after ThinkLiveLife.

[Nick]

Meh better check Frog.

[louiswill]

Are you sure the target can still perform night actions during N2 after being confirmed for lynch during D2...

I thought the rules said Mayor can extend the day length according to his fancy, not end the day early. Or am I mistaken?
If Mayor can end the day early then technically his lynch choices are absolute and he can never be overthrown.

You are absolutely correct. It is all intended in a sense of balance/reflection of reality. I'm glad someone actually notice this day 1.

The Rule: Day "as long as mayor want", so he can end or extend the day length.

Good luck solving the puzzle. There are many more secrets. However, the more you know doesn't make it any easier, lol.

[Nick]

So technically Mayor is impossible to be overthrown...

Are sure you are not adding rules as the game progresses...

And please this game is in the MFM section. You don't HIDE the rules from the players.

[louiswill]

So technically Mayor is impossible to be overthrown...

Are sure you are not adding rules as the game progresses...

And please this game is in the MFM section. You don't HIDE the rules from the players.

It is sfm. No hidden rules. I want to make sure everyone takes advantages of the stated rules, but I respect intelligence too.

Over throw a mayor isnt entirely impossible. It's just hard.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using Tapatalk 2

[ika]

And please this game is in the MFM section. You don't HIDE the rules from the players.

Unless you basterdise your setup....

Apparently I didnt miss anything

[powerofdeath]

Oh okay, My role is the same I guess.

[powerofdeath]

Oh okay, My role is the same I guess.

Actually I saw the new role card, nevermind then.

My old role was Union ): Damn RLVG for taking Union. I was thinking that RLVG is pulling a gambit.

[louiswill]

Day end now.

Civilians can gather and chat in local pub.

No voting at night. Please do note vote.

[louiswill]

Night 1 Night End Time if someone isn't submitting night action (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10%3A00+pm+3%2F1%2F14+PST)

Warning: Unemployed citizen may Die from hunger/Cold. if no one come to save you, save yourself by making a proper choice.



<Oddginger Profit Log>
Writer: A log of Oddginger

Secret Conspiracy Operation : FCI and GFV

Investors are thinking ways to escape the waste land Tropica, but ideologies find themself the hottest chance to breed.

Fourth Coming International, ghost of former USSR has announced their campaign targeting weakened and upset citizens in Tropica. "The market melting down is not worker's fault! You have worked hard, You deserve better!" One member of FCI visiting local town square gave a seditious speech to young citizens. Local authority removed and expelled the communist right way, but the seed has been peddled. The mayor Orpz reluctantly remained silence, which encouraged local organized worker movement.

However, no one can predict what things will turns out. It is an open secret that communism has been giving empty promises for a century, and none communism government is working for its people.

Of course, FCI is not the only one seeking new members in the despair and poverty. GFV, secret society "Give Fawkes Victory" is one of the oldest organization in Tropica. Nothing is known other than the once masked and famous operator. The GFV's activity was halted for half century, but now the liberty phoenix seems ready to fly again.

Some cheap Guy Fawkes maskes are found as one hottest item on the street this afternoon. "Give Fawkes Victory" -- the signature code is heard by paranoid local authorities. This is double trouble.

The Guy Fawkes mask is a stylised depiction of Guy Fawkes, the best-known member of the Gunpowder Plot, an attempt to blow up the House of Lords in London in 1605.

This is the imagine of an unemployed citizen, caught by journalist
http://www.neontommy.com/sites/default/files/users/user431/guyfawkes.jpg

Icon of FCI
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAbkz7sHyTWRmDzswG8PUzxidIo2V54 aee9jv9ixb-SzgMj4G_6Q


8576,1
70
*In this game, vote anyone other than mayor means 'Pardon'.
voting mayor means Coup against Government.
After mayor/sheriffmayor dies, the mechanic becomes a majority lynch.

1 Monopoly
1 investor
1 Mayor
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
1 Union Leader

[Helz]

Hey guys.

Finally off the rig. I'm reading up now.

[Dagaen]

So we can talk during night?

[Helz]

I am up to page 7.

If this is anything like the CJ version people will become a mob if they submit no action. So we should all choose a faction. Preferably the same faction. Our enemy in this game will primarily be AFK players. They will turn into mobs which will be a problem. The monopoly will make people on their side which hurts the union leaders win condition and the the Union leader will recruit hurting the investors win condition.

Our lynch should target players who are not active and will not submit an action.

[Nick]

Who cares... just become communists and win.

Oh and...

OPRZ SHOULD END DAY IMMEDIATELY TOMORROW!

[Nick]

Lazy to PM... last post.
N1 action:
-become Communists

N2 action:
-recruit Frog

N3 action:
-recruit ika

[Helz]

I guess I am up for a lynch? That sucks.

After reading up it also occurred to me just how much swing this game has. People will become mobs and the PR's fight the creation of mobs. This means citizens can win together regardless of what anyone becomes. I would ask all citizens to stick together in this game. Every other role card will be pitting us against etch other. So long as we all stick together were pretty much guaranteed a win.

4. Hypersniper - Lurk
5. Bahkieh - Lurk

One of those two would make a good lynch target for preventing the creation of mobs. I would also point out that the monopoly could reveal and work with the mayor/sheriff instead of the union leader. If this is like the CJ run he can protect necessary power roles
I am a citizen

[Helz]

I can make myself a communist tonight to prove my role to the union leader. We should lynch someone else.

[Citrus]

I can make myself a communist tonight to prove my role to the union leader. We should lynch someone else.

Are you claiming that you are a citizen and all citizens should become communist?

Or that you already are a communist!

Dirty red ThinkLiveLife

[Helz]

Fine. I was going to do this anyways. This just bumps up my time line.

I am the monopoly. I know who the investor is. My price for this information is that the union leader gets lynched tonight. If this happens all union can become aligned with me and the mayor/sheriff can win with me as well. Seeing as that in this situation both the union and the investor are known everyone can win very easily.

Additionally I can hand out 3 vests as well as designate a player to become a doctor for 1 player every night.

[ika]

Are you claiming that you are a citizen and all citizens should become communist?

Or that you already are a communist!

Dirty red ThinkLiveLife

^monopoly found

[Helz]

Im really not sure why people are pitted against the monopoly. Read up on the win conditions and you will find that the union leader and monopoly are totally interchangeable. Everyone can win with either equally but one of them has to go.

The benefit of winning with me is that I have a greater pool of information as well as better night actions which makes me the logical choice.

[RLVG]

Fine. I was going to do this anyways. This just bumps up my time line.

I am the monopoly. I know who the investor is. My price for this information is that the union leader gets lynched tonight. If this happens all union can become aligned with me and the mayor/sheriff can win with me as well. Seeing as that in this situation both the union and the investor are known everyone can win very easily.

Additionally I can hand out 3 vests as well as designate a player to become a doctor for 1 player every night.

TLDR : RLVG broke this game so hardcore that he don't deserve the win.

You're asking to get me lynched...

B plz, I already cleared PoD and Nick, everyone becoming Communist know eachothers and etc.
Once you're dead, all we have to do is to find out who isn't communist and confirmed.
^ That way, all players except of Red, can win.

In addition, I used meta and unofficial information to round up suspects of being Monopoly & Investor.

[Helz]

TLDR : RLVG broke this game so hardcore that he don't deserve the win.

You're asking to get me lynched...

B plz, I already cleared PoD and Nick, everyone becoming Communist know eachothers and etc.
Once you're dead, all we have to do is to find out who isn't communist and confirmed.
^ That way, all players except of Red, can win.

In addition, I used meta and unofficial information to round up suspects of being Monopoly & Investor.

Yeah. But you are leaving out the heavy nerf you get with me dead and the jobs gone. Then your union starts to turn into mobs and and you loose control. The game is hardly broken. Read up on the test run and you will find the fallacy of this logic.

[RLVG]

Yeah. But you are leaving out the heavy nerf you get with me dead and the jobs gone. Then your union starts to turn into mobs and and you loose control. The game is hardly broken. Read up on the test run and you will find the fallacy of this logic.

I have the ability to leave my work, becoming unemployed so getting fired is pointless.
Oh snap, removing the Monopoly didn't look threatening to me anymore.

Can Union target himself to protect himself from getting fired?

[Helz]

Another option would be to turn the union into a citizen making the only enemy the Investor..

[RLVG]

Another option would be to turn the union into a citizen making the only enemy the Investor..

Capitalism Ending?

[louiswill]

Can Union target himself to protect himself from getting fired?

You can.

The game has no restriction on any self target since no redirection roles, and no detective type roles.
oh tribute for mobs:
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100509211940/marveldatabase/images/b/b3/Thug_002.jpg

[Helz]

Capitalism Ending?

Really we could go any direction. As long as everyone is not in opposition to etch others win condition. We need to avoid Libertarian Mobs for our Mayor/Sheriff to win. Union and Employees can not win together so we will need to convert all of one group to the other. All in all a Capitalism Ending would not be very hard for us to pull off at all.

If we just go lynch happy we will probably get >50% workers and everyone will loose.

[Helz]

Also Will the Union leader be considered dead if he leaves his job? (In relation to my night actions)

Figured I would say this publicly for its value on the current situation

[louiswill]

Also Will the Union leader be considered dead if he leaves his job? (In relation to my night actions)

Figured I would say this publicly for its value on the current situation

No. But a jobless union leader will become a completely useless constant yellow faction voter, and a wifom machine.

[RLVG]

Why can't I remain Union, continously targeting myself so that I will never get in trouble? Lol.

[Hypersniper]

im becoming a commie because soviet Russia needs us all

join soviet Russia and get a free bottle of vodka and ak-47 we need YOU comrade

do we get new role cards after this night phrase

[Hypersniper]

NYAT


WE MUST LIVE SO COMMUNISM CAN GROW FAR AND WIDE THE COMMUNIST WILL WIN AND WE END AS COMMUNIST

[louiswill]

Why can't I remain Union, continously targeting myself so that I will never get in trouble? Lol.

If monopoly is dead, investor gain a buff to fire you by simply close the company.

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[RLVG]

If monopoly is dead, investor gain a buff to fire you by simply close the company.

But that's the point of protecting myself so I won't?

[louiswill]

But that's the point of protecting myself so I won't?

Have a look at investor s rolecard might help you.
Union Leaders protect job by threat, strike and push states law but no one can stop a company from close itself. Investor takes out money basically collapse the company. There's nothing a union leader can do when there's no job to protect.

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[RLVG]

Then I have but one question :

What is the point of firing me if everyone's becoming Communist?
It'll clear some players, removes an Union so that the Investor can't CC and is completely exposed?

[Helz]

If monopoly is dead, investor gain a buff to fire you by simply close the company.

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This is what I was referring to. Mobs and Anarchist's will become an issue and the union will become pretty useless. It will put the mayor in a very bad position.

This is what I am getting at:

Union Leader quits, I hire the union as employees, picks red tonight.

Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen > the rest players
Special conditions:
Kill all Mobs,
Survive

kill monopoly, Investor, Anachylist and mob

kill Mayor, Communist

Survive (Me)

Fire everyone (Investor)
Survive
Survive 2 more days, game auto end (if monopoly is dead)

So if everyone chooses red tonight as their faction and the union leader quits I can hire the remaining union as well as who was previously the union leader and the Investor gets lynched for us all to win. I made one special part nice and big so it can't be missed. Lynching me is a very poor decision.

[Hypersniper]

yo answer this

do we get new role cards after this night phrase

[RLVG]

Hmm.

You won't be lynched until a few days anyway, so we'll see what Orpz think.

[louiswill]

Then I have but one question :

What is the point of firing me if everyone's becoming Communist?
It'll clear some players, removes an Union so that the Investor can't CC and is completely exposed?

We can discuss this after game, for now, it might intervene game flow.



do we get new role cards after this night phrase

I will send a new role card every time a person has changes on his older role card.

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From now on, I will only answer questions in Green. It seems everyone already have a good understanding of the game. Thanks for bearing my stupid English.

[Helz]

Hmm.

You won't be lynched until a few days anyway, so we'll see what Orpz think.

Nah. Lock me in and I will suicide to give the investor the win. Either go with my plan or lynch me.

[RLVG]

Can you suicide?

[Hypersniper]

but i chose to change to commie but i don't have a new role-card

[louiswill]

Can you suicide?
Yes you can, though I do not recommend this. Especially, if a person can not win but he can screw you by suicide, then he will definitely be allowed to do it.


but i chose to change to commie but i don't have a new role-card No answer to this. I do not wifom roles for anyone.

[RLVG]

Alternatively, we can do the following ending :

Capitalism Society Ending:
>50% worker, Monopoly + Green

Monopoly hires 3, then I quit my job and we lynch the Investor.



Out the Investor please.

[Hypersniper]

Do I choose who to be if so become communist
Sure. Accept as final decision. New Role card will be sent after next night Phrase.
I accept as final decision

no wifom here

not quoting your pm just one of your sentence

the top and bottom ones are mine
middle is louis wills

pls send me my role card

[Helz]

I guess my hands are now effectively tied. I almost think the host wants to put me in a very small box. : (

[RLVG]

I guess my hands are now effectively tied. I almost think the host wants to put me in a very small box. : (

Then you can stay in the box to observe the insane world, sheltered away from it.

[Helz]

Then you can stay in the box to observe the insane world, sheltered away from it.

Lol. Hell yeah. Threatening to suicide is very poor form anyways. My bad guys.

[Orpz]

as ur mayor i demand a tl;dr

[Orpz]

so TLL claimed monopoly? good. I appointed him for a lynch. die.

[Orpz]

dont try to talk urself out of this

i took high school history
red = evil

[Helz]

dont try to talk urself out of this

i took high school history
red = evil

You really should read the setup. This game is not a 'good vs evil' and for that matter I am not evil. Good luck though. You will need it.

[Helz]

Just to beat a dead horse. What are you going to do when there are mobs Orpz? They will come into play and you will not be able to do anything to counter them except for lynching them. Take a second look at the setup and you will see that like it or not, You need me in order to win.

[Helz]

Thinklivelife

[Orpz]

isnt it supposed to be night now

[Frog]

isnt it supposed to be night now

No.

[Orpz]

was Frog the other confirmed Employee? If not then he's probably the Investor.

[louiswill]

Day 2 <Game> Day End Time if Mayor doesn't choose (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10%3A00+pm+3%2F3%2F14+PST)

Players:
1. Orpz <Mayor>
2. PowerofDeath
3. Nick
4. Hypersniper<Communist>
5. Bahkieh
6. Citrus
7. ThinkLiveLife
8. Ika
9. RLVG
10. Dagaen
11. Frog

Hypersniper is knocked down by a mop.
ThinkLiveLife is on Trial. A majority vote is needed to save lifes


Daily information:
Daily Ratio of working classes: 7/10 = 70%
Lower Class(workers) Number Calculation: Anachylists+Mob+UnionLeader+Communist+Citizen = 7
Employeement statue: 1/3 is employeed
Poll of Mayor: 10/10

<Oddginger Profit Log>
Writer: A log of Oddginger

FIRED? FIRED!
-Bath as Sault Corp. Riot, one death.

This morning, Bath as Sault Corp. was sizzling hot. Employees cursed their employer and trashed the gate.

Angry employees go out and seek union leader for explanations.

"WTF Dude? We pay the Motherfeather Union half of our salary per week!, He suppose to protect our jobs. Why The hell I get fired?" One foreman expressed his anger toward camera man. "Who is

Mayor Orpz took action immediately, he visited the crowd and pointed finger of one man, ThinkLiveLife: "I know you. You must be the head of the company!" Though local workers know and work with T.L.L for a long time, no one suspected him to be one 'top' of the company. Many workers expressed their confusion why would mayor choose to blame one of the worker.

However, the mayor is assertive of his own decision. Attempted to escape, T.L.L and his loyal friends blew out a riot against others. The scene was a mess. Crowds pushed each other and dirty words flew around.

There is one dead during the chaos.

Hypersniper was stripped by a Mop and Kill by the crowd brawling and stepping on him.
When he is dragged out the crowd, he lost a few ribs.
15 minutes later, he died on his way to the hospital.

One chest pin dropped out of his ragged trousers --- He is a member of Fourth Coming International.
The mayor was stunned but ordered his men clean the street immediately and send T.L.L onto a public trial.


8576,1
5(innocent)
*In this game, vote anyone other than mayor means 'Pardon',
successful pardon will stop the day(I will unlock).
voting mayor means Coup against Government.
After mayor/sheriffmayor dies, the mechanic becomes a majority lynch.

1 Monopoly
1 investor
1 Mayor
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
1 Union Leader

[Nick]

Wat?

Hypersniper was modkilled? He cannot be killed by mob N1 unless there is a starting mob.

[Orpz]

If I end the day early, will TLL be lynched immediately?

[Nick]

Employeement statue: 1/3 is employeed

Means that PoD and Nick yesterday are
(1) fired and
(2) did not change role.

[Nick]

Yea. Mayor is unlynchable. But I want host to clarity Hypersniper's death first.

[Nick]

Yea. Mayor is unlynchable.

As long as you end day immediately, your decisions are absolute. Mayor overthrow is just a misdirection from host, can never happen.

[Dagaen]

Hypersniper is knocked down by a mop. Mop, not mob. I guess he was killed by a Janitor:D

He somehow managed to become a Commie though.

Ok, tovarishche, let's watch batiushka Jorpzeph ending the Monopoly!

[Nick]

If this game ends as a draw, how do you determine the victor? Which role has the priority on winning?

[Frog]

I will protect you mayor! My life for Aiur!

[Frog]

Ok, so im just going to go ahead and say it. I am the second mayor. PM me your roles etc. :-P

I'm not sure what information I'm supposed to reveal and what information I'm supposed to ask. So I will answer the first 2 questions asked of me, and in return, I will ask those 2 questions to someone else.

[Nick]

PM me your roles etc.

Done. Your turn.

[Bahkieh]

I have joined the communist movement.

[Nick]

mkmkja lasv nqwi u aks iouf as ls asldksdad.

[Hypersniper]

Slaol Edit: As of this point knowingly posting in a game one is dead in may result in removal of access to S-FM forums

[Dagaen]

I'm always surprised when I see Hypersniper not permabanned.

[RLVG]

Wut, it appears I'm the only one employed now...
... Maybe I should quit my job and become a Citizen.