Judge and Triad Enforcer win tiebreak over two Doctors.

[Arrow]

Towards the end of the game, the Triad was down to a single member, backed up by a judge(me). The town was two doctors who couldn't be killed because they had a healchain, and the judge was out of court calls.

As the end of the game, game tiebroke in favor of triad, inexplicably. I thought that two people on different teams(even if nominally aligned), like a Triad and a Judge lost ties against single factions with more members(2 town).

[AppleyNO]

[6:09:44 PM] Dark Revenant: good, it works
[6:09:47 PM] Dark Revenant: that's completely intended
[6:09:59 PM] Dark Revenant: auditor, judge, and witch are added to mafia teams for the purposes of winning ties

This was a recent update.

[Aldaris]

So, what would happen if we had a Framer who wouldn't turn a Forger who wouldn't turn, a Town, and a Witch?

[42shadow42]

So, what would happen if we had a Framer who wouldn't turn a Forger who wouldn't turn, a Town, and a Witch?

Sounds to me like the Triad would win the 2v2v1 because Triad wins ties with mafia.

[Arrow]

OK, thanks for the clarification!

[creedkingsx]

So, what would happen if we had a Framer who wouldn't turn a Forger who wouldn't turn, a Town, and a Witch?

This isn't a tie yet.
Ties are 1 faction v 1 faction. This is an extra faction and a neutral.

[Slaol]

This isn't a tie yet.
Ties are 1 faction v 1 faction. This is an extra faction and a neutral.

^
In that scenario the Witch would pick someone. Which would probably be itself.
Witch Solo-wins after days of voting with the Town.

[louiswill]

^
In that scenario the Witch would pick someone. Which would probably be itself.
Witch Solo-wins after days of voting with the Town.

I would propose to lynch witch and then town decide the last winner.

[creedkingsx]

I would propose to lynch witch and then town decide the last winner.

You assume
a) You know who the Witch is
b) you know who the town is
c) You know who the opposing maf is
d) you nor the other maf will kill the night after the Witch's lynch.

[louiswill]

You assume
a) You know who the Witch is
b) you know who the town is
c) You know who the opposing maf is
d) you nor the other maf will kill the night after the Witch's lynch.

Not necessarily. I only need to know it is 1 vs 1 vs 1 vs 1 and there is a witch.

If mafia doesn't know who is the witch.

The mafia will want to hang the triad, thus potentially push lynch.

But mafia doesn't want to be bad in relationship with witch, so he might hesitate.

If I were the town, I reveal and ask propose any 'mafia' claimer to vote together.

Then because witch will worry that we miss-hang him.(Triad doesn't care because it wins the tie)

Then witch will reveal.

That means triad out itself automatically.

Of course some WiFOm may happen, but the out come will be the same,

there will be 1 town claim then 1 witch claim, then 1 mafia claim.

Then for everyone's interesting, mafia and triad doesn't care if it is witch or is it town to decide who wins.

Then witch will argue back, why not hang town.

in fact to mafia and triad,

They might swing to town side and make witch lose, because neither of them have guaranteed win no matter who they hang, yet witch is guaranteed win if town is hanged. ----that is called envy.

And easily, because the town is already a loser, then witch can go eat dirt.

Then I only have to persuade triad,

And then I will be able to lynch the witch.

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Wifom witch is also workable, but mafia and triad usually knows who is witch already.