Day III: Premonition

[FM Ferengi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrWmqlN3xlk



Day III: Premonition

Someone had a bad feeling going into this night.

Another person went into this night with a purpose... There was someone out there that deserved death, and they were gonna give it to them. They solemly loaded their .45 with a single shot... and left their home.

FM Jace Beleren was home reading his manuscripts... attempting to decipher what the good lord would have his loyal followers do in with these devilish conduits about... when he heard glass breaking in the back. Opening the door he was met with a gun to the head... All they said was "Starbucks" and bang... his blood seeped into the carpet as the hooded individual walked home.

A later search of his home confirmed he was a Priest.

All that could be found of FM Venser was a pool of sinew in his home... Venser had cameras set up in his home out of fear... The Militia viewed the tapes they saw him get electrocuted and melted down... Nothing of note of his remained.

The Militia convened again... They were still no closer to finding Cole... Among them Bertrand was getting impatient.

All the while the Beast could nearly be seen on the Horizon



Role List:

Cole MacGrath [MacGrath]
Lucy Kuo [MacGrath]
Zeke Dunbar [MacGrath]
Nix [MacGrath]

Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]

Soul of The Beast
Random Killing Conduit
Random Conduit
Random Conduit

Joseph Bertrand
Cop
Investigator
Extremist
Medic
Detainer
Coroner
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member


There are 2 more roles in the list than players due to 2 roles being cleaned


Graveyard:

FM Tamiyo(???)[Night 1]: Corpse was too burned to make any form of identification. House trashed. [Conduit]
FM Gideon Jura(Bus Driver)[Night 1]: Frozen from the waist down and broken into pieces with a hammer. Shot twice in the chest. Bled to death. [Conduit]
FM Glissa Sunseeker(Sasha (Reaper Leader))[Day 2]: Shot in the leg then burnt at the stake, melting into a non descript tar substance.
FM Jace Beleren (Priest)[Night 2]: Single bullet wound to the head. Died instantly. [Extremist]
FM Venser (???)[Night 2]: Electrocuted then melted to a pool of human components. [Conduit]

Death Descriptions Added to Reduce Ambiguity. [Conduit] Can refer to Either Mafia Team


The Day will End and at the Following Time: day ends (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Saturday+December+14+2013%2C+12am+Brisbane++Aus tralia)
It will take [l]16 votes to lynch
Vote with the following command: fm name


THE BEAST IS 421 MILES FROM NEW MARAIS

[Elixir]

Thread has been locked.

We've encounted a problem with the night actions.

Hang on.

edit: Error has been made and will be fixed; Day will be extended by an hour to compensate.

[Elixir]

Cleared up; PMs have been sent out and day has been reset.

Sorry about that guys :> - Day extended by an hour.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

I hope that huge wall of text that just got deleted had a backup period

[FM Ugin]

Ugin comes back still with nothing to report.

[FM Domri Rade]

My feedback was illuminating last night.

Powers of light need to record their actions and reads.

[FM Ugin]

Ugin would like to touch on FM Venser. He looked back and noticed post 284 of day 2.


The only code here is that of debauchery.
FM Venser cracks open another bottle bourbon

Advantage to no Lynch Day 2:
Jailor on claimed witch->citizen suspect and judgement. Lookout can confirm jailor.
Purge Cult if it exists. Lookout can confirm confirm.

Disadvantages to no Lynch Day 2:
Kidnapper(s) - if there's more than ONE this is bad.
Scum has potential to discover TWO town roles in one night (Jailor and Lookout/Priest and Lookout)
Neut Killer is unknown. MM could wipe out several town roles in one night. (Jailor and Lookout/Priest and Lookout)

I'm keeping my -vote FM Glissa Sunseeker

It's the option that minimizes both risk and exposure of town to scum.

Ugin looks at it and highlights some words. He notices how he claims 3 PRs in that post. Ugin thinks he was the jailor or lookout by the post.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm... How about I'll tell you a scary story? This will motivate your brain like a jolt of electricity. Ready to listen to it, hmm?

THE BEAST IS 420 MILES FROM NEW MARAIS

[FM Tibalt]

Two non-cleaned deaths with no last will explaining all their reads? Are people not placing last wills?

Apparently not. This will be a real issue for us in the late game. I would note that the janitor cleans last wills.

Terferi - As far as I'm aware, 0 posts, why hasn't he been replaced? I second this motion.

Its interesting that once again we only have 2 kills.


Tibalt, despite how content heavy your posts are, I have relatively few reads from you on other people.

Everyone should be aware of the fact that The Beast will arrive tomorrow.

Its chess not checkers. But why not. I will throw out some hip shots. I did literally no preparation N2 and expect to be able to give very little the first half of D3.

I can not shake my feeling that Baltrice is scum. This player is very experienced and playing very pro-town but I have that nagging feeling deep down that will not go away. I am fairly confident that this player will flip scum but I find myself utterly unable to make a case against him. If we ever catch this player in a slip it will be a very small one. I expect that we will need a lucky night action to build any kind of case.
-I will reserve my comments on his interactions with Dack until the second half of D3 unless my RL obligations change.

Ashiok.. I have no respect for this players 3rd post. This is as selfish as I have ever seen a player play. He might as well come out and say 'I will not contribute anything until the game gets interesting.' Not scummy, not townie, just an asshole.

Chandra Nalaar feels like town to me. His moves look like inexperience mixed with confidence. I am very comfortable with this player.

[FM Meshuvel]

Good Morning America!

The following American Chart is based on positive an negative interactions between players for all of day 1 and day 2. Players in the rows with a BLUE box under a player in a column means they interacted positively with that player. A RED box means they either attacked that player or labeled them scum/mafia. As an example, Baltrice behaved positive towards Ajani while Ajani either behaved neutrally or didn't interact at all with Baltrice with a WHITE box.

Players with lines in their boxes had a more complicated relationship, I suggest reading their summary below for more info.

http://i.imgur.com/xtKjbIf.png

All values for this chart were pulled from every post made during day one and day two, summarized below.


Ajani Goldmane - 7 posts
Useless posts - 2
Misreads Nissas post who was calling out Nico
Calls out invisible people reading the forum but not posting, asks how people would mark scum and if RPers are scum.
Answers previous post; scummy RP is an anti-cult tool, probably more defending of nico
Asks everyone to refrain from roleclaiming as you cant lie if you don't role claim (seriously?) calls anyone that roleclaims scum
asks how we plan to find the soul of the beast


Ashiok - 3 posts
useless posts - 1
sheeps on glissa, doesnt say anything else
Calls dack scummy, calls baltrice and jace scummy, distinctly avoids calling mesh scummy, calls tezzeret scummy

Posted very little but at least he drew alligences. Still, pressure him to contribute more.


Baltrice - 67 posts
useless posts - 5
reapers and MM most dangerous because of hidden potential
giving advanced excuse for not posting much
drops RP, claims discussing vermaak roles worst possible action, big scum call on nico. Calls out ugin to stop RP, biggest scum call on parcher
claims nico scum for helping vermaak, parcher for active lurking, gideon for weakly placing votes, mesh for pushing marry fuck kill
some banter with jace
claims mesh being defensive
responds to chandras defense of mesh
claims focusing on on discussion on jailor and potential codes creates more opportunity for scum to counter
responds to meshs criticism of the last post, claims mesh is twisting his words, gets very defensive
evades domris request for topics for discussion
summarizes domris plan
claims to not want town leader position
asks mesh for his reads
defends himself to domris claim he is a hypocrite
says sarkon made a leading statement
makes annoyed post at tezzeret
claims many people revealing on day 1 is chaos inducing, sounds similar to Ajanis statement
asks Tamiyo to bring up a new topic but evaded bringing up his own earlier
small banter with masrath
sheeps on glissa, asks domri why he revealed so early making himself a consort target
claims domri could have made a text based case against glissa, doesnt provide it
again flauts that he doesnt care about getting town points
calls out sifa for filler posting and votes glissa
chides liliana for warning about hammer at L-15
"It might have been more noteworthy to have directed more response to her suspicion on Meshuval which was rather well summarized for a Day One type FoS." not sure about this one
Asks glissa why she hilled him over revealed cit or others
softly claiming liliana had tried to redirect off glissa
attacks liliana for not bothering to read day one to analyze posts possibly to defend meshuval
pressures nico
defends her post about liliana from vraska
claims dacks lynch choice is bad because of possible jester
asks dack why he put kidnapper could not be sent to kill (its in the rules)
suggests killing elspeth after she dropped witch act
defends jaces attack on chandra
asks tibalt to give opinion on baltrice, mesh and jace
says some scum will lurk and some will take leadership position
claims chandra is a scummy citizen
claims to know jaces role and will not reveal read seems like a deceptive way to get maf to target jace
claims town read on vraska due to aggressiveness, claims green mafia read on mesh due to lack of talk of cole
claims words taken out of context on not revealing jaces role
attacks jaces attack on dack for being contradictory
claims jace is cit or cole conduit
doesn't say whether venser is scum or not, chides him for spending time to RP but not analyze
claims connetion between vensar and meshuval, connection between dack and tibalt
defends herself for not wanting to reveal jaces role then saying he might be green maf by saying she is sleepy
claims Dack assumes baltrice is scum in every game they play baltrice knows dacks com? Very defensive of her reads on Jace from Dack
Dack and Baltrice going at it a lot, mostly irrelevant stuff. Is this an act to distance themselves from eachother?
Claims she thought Jace was Vig or priest based on his RP and tone.

I would like others to comment on the relationship between Baltrice and Dack


Chandra Nalaar - 18 posts
useless posts - 10
thinks trolling d1 isnt scummy indirectly defending nico
defends mesh from baltrice
asks if we're sure we have a vig
makes a lot of posts about being ignored
misses glissa reveal as scum
scum calls on baltrice, ajani and garruk
asks if she should vote

should be pressured hard to contribute more, most posts being worthless


Dack Fayden - 56 posts
useless posts - 2
Proposes plan to take advantage of the fact only town has jailor n1
supports tessebliks plan for all cits revealing as it makes scum more likely to hit other scum as well as PRs
speculates on neutrals
refutes gideons plan to use 2 citizens
mentions last person to reveal as witch was actually witch
claims sifa is breadcrumbing amnesiac
claims sifa is backtracking and that nico is linked with meshuvel and vraska as green mafia like baltrice
pushes nico for reads on mesh and braska
asks town to force mafia to deal with the reaper and that domris claim is fake and votes elspeth
pushes claim that sifa is amnes
says if glissa flips reaper consort(not stripper) on him. Claims to try to manipulate scum. Pushes lynch on witch over cult
Pushes lynch on witch over cult
mentions lookout can watch sher for consort
asks janitor question
analyzes green maf kill of tamiyo, says because he thinks tamiuo was priest. analyzes gid death, also sounded like a converter (converters on the mind)
claims FM Baltrice, FM Parcher, FM Jace Beleren, FM Ravi Sengir seem like possible green mafias, still pushing sifa as amnes
claims elspeth isnt jester due to vig
predicts revolutionists in game
wants elspeth killed after she revealed cit
defends calls for elspeth lynch
mentions tibalt positively
pressuring jace
calls tibalt skilled
claims link between jace and baltrice
restates his and vraskas scum read on jace
fighting with baltrice due to baltrices flip on jace
claim jace scumslipped green maf by assuming chandra would have to choose to be consig


very odd that dack kept pushing amnes role on sifa



Dormri Rade - 73 posts
useless posts - 4
pressures tamiyo to reveal her info
tiny scum claim on xenagos
pressures baltrice to provide discussion topics
asks citizen to reveal for priest plan
evades baltrices evasion
calls out baltrices hypocrisy
reiterates meshs statement that priests should make LWs
buddying with kiora
scum call on parcher
thanks jace for showing hole in plan, offers another plan x3
counters baltrices claim that roleclaiming causes chaos
claims no feedback
asks parcher how he sees ajani
remarks no neutral kill
asks glissa who to FOS
asks vig to kill witch
asks vraska about ajani
claims sheriff and that glisa is a reaper. That she defended nico in a manner that seemed to be damage control and votes glissa
explains why he focused ajani before revealing glissa
defends his revveal from vraska and baltrice
Scum claim on Nichol Glissa Jace Dack and Ajan. That Nicol and Glissa are green maf and Jace and Dack are orange maf.
claims glissa like was maf with nichol.
says we shouldnt depend on mafia to kill glissa
says he says reason behind dacks argument not to lynch glissa but doesnt agree with it
says dack and jace are linked as a scum team
calls out chandra on whoring out her vote
pressuring elspeth
unvotes to prevent an early lynch
asks jace for opinion
says he will not check elspeth at night
votes glissa
town call on kiora
says baltrace is setting self up to be town leader
defends baltrice from nicos attack
scum call on jace
scum call on venser
vote on glissa


Elspeth Tirel - 34 posts
useless posts - 18
reveals witch
claims to breadcrumb
promises not to direct scum
votes glissa,
scum read on dack
reveals not witch
says she tried to draw scum attention by pretending to be a PR pretending to be a witch
compliments ashiok
scum call on jace



Garrk Wildspeaker - 5 posts
useless posts - 2
" I would say that sasha is the biggest threat to uss right now. None of our prs can be trusted as long as she is alive." only day 1 post
claims no night feedback
sheeps vote on glissa

This player needs to be pressured hard to contribute more



Jace Beleren - 37 posts
useless posts - 6
answers vraskas question and slightly attacks chandra
thanks mesh for agreeing to post leads
asks baltrice to rank her naughty list
hard to read response to meshs naughty list
scum call on nico for discouraging scumhunting and annoying rp, scum call on domri for citizen leader plan
refutes Domris update to plan
refutes Domris update again
refutes Baltrices comment about RP complainers
asks mesh about enforcers
refutes meshs update to Domris plan
says sarkon may die after revealing, chastises masrath a little
very sarcastic response to mesh on reporting rules ruling
calls gideon scum for suggesting mass cit reveal
explains previous post
suggests dayvig shoot witch and lynch glissa, distrusts domris sher claim, votes glissa
calls dack a reaper
calls elspeth jester
mis-answers vraskas question
says elspeth likely not scum
waffles on domris question on how to handle elspeth
slight pressure on tibalt
pressure on garruk
slight joking scum call on chandra and dack
Attacks chandra for her post attacking ajani and garruk
says chandras odd post could be consig code
scum call on chandra
says chandras reasons are wrong because talking too much doesnt make you scum, and not getting questioned by others doesnt make you scum


Jaya Ballard - 2 posts
useless posts - 1
disagrees(she likes the plan) with jace on gidions plan to make a lot of cits reveal

She has only 1 real post in day 1, why hasn't she been replaced? Pressure here to talk at all!


Karn - 4 posts
claims no feedback and not voting glissa due to L6
scum call on elspeth

only 4 posts, push to post more


Kiora Atua - 8 posts
useless posts - 1
asks nico to stop
RP fluff disguised as wisdom
agrees with mesh on doc target
reports no n1 feedback, mentions scum teams generally have 1 player trying to becoem a town leader
town claim on tibalt, doesnt beleive witch claim
votes glissa, claims she believes domri town before he revealed
gives vermaak roles discussion

I don't understand why some people posted that they thought so highly of Kiora, will need to look closer at who did that.


Koth - replaced due to inactivity



Liliana Vess - 11 posts
first post day 2, claims no night feedback and says will not anaylze day 1, FOSes and votes to lynch Mesh
warns not to hammer at L15
skeptical of glissas medic claim
claims to not have read day 1 at all
scum call on dack
pushes scum call on mesh
mocks tezzerets misunderstanding, doesn't correct misunderstanding
switches vote to glissa, trys to pressure mesh again
disagrees with meshs response to her FOS



Masrath - 3 posts
says everyone will think she is scummy and has no time to post
claimed roleblocked

yep, I think she is scummy, pressure her to contribute more. At least she provided night feedback



Nicol Bolas - 40 posts
useless posts - 9
asks to discuss vermaaks optimal setup for n1
discusses vermaaks optimal setup(in my option he gives a suboptimal setup)
asks a lot of kidnapper questions in QnA
says town wasting time scumhunting n1
gives problem with cit claim strait
says disguiser not a problem
Town call on Dack
helps with forum problem
says town should beware of all PRs checking witch claimer N1
asks green maf to RB witch claimer
mentions people who haven posted
buddying Dack, annoyed with Mesh, slight scum call on vraska
extremely skeptical of sher claimer
states vig is confirmed
questions lack of 3 kills
apologizing for being skeptical of sher
asks witch claimer who he targeted
pushes vote on elspeth after sher reveal
pushes vote on elspeth again
pushes vote on elspeth again
unvotes elspeth, claims still doesnt trust sher claimer
more dack buddying, defending against vraska
claims no scum would take spotlight today


Nissa Revane - 17 posts
useless posts - 5
votes noone
repeatedly calls nico scum, answers vraskas question, mentions defense against cults
defends self from ajani
agrees with baltrice to stop discussing jailor options
claims to FOS glissa more than domri
unvotes fearing early hammer at L-15
scum call on dack




Parcher - 33 posts
useless posts - 13
slight attack on Vraska
remarks that it is a no lynch day
"no lynch + no post count = afk"
doesnt give a fuck about day 1, doesnt need to defend himself for day 1 actions
scum call on ajani
claims glissa isnt medic, votes glissa
claims last mislynched medic threw a rage, glissa too threatened by cult feedback
"One's alignment is more influential on their reaction than their personality" to attack glissa
slight scum call on sifa
claims dack is sasha and glssa converted reaper
doesnt remember how we know elspeth is a witch
claims he will shoot nicol tonight
claims he was given a weapon by the weaponsmith
supports elspeths gambit
trolls by claiming previous vet now reaper, glissa converted him last night
claims he is ignoring nico
claims nissa is green mafia
asks for early hammer


Ral Zarek - 16 posts
useless posts - 10
first post is nothing but garbage
claims no night feedback, asks domri to explain early reveal and glissa to reveal
mentions lookout on cit claimer to find enforcer

needs to be pushed hard to contribute more



Ravi Sengir - 24 posts
useless posts -
asks not to speculate on vermaak roles
asks militia to vote for long days and short nights
votes to lynch glissa
speculates on vermakk roles now that its d2
suspects arson
wants to stop wasting time on elspeth
doesnt want n1 jailed target to reveal
says ugins discussion on gambits is worthless
says he will give reads on people
claims nissa is scum or worthless town based on filler posts




Sandruu - 13 posts
useless posts - 3
Asks if there is anyone higher value to lynch than glissa
claims bus driven
doesnt believe elspeth is witch
mentions vig is in the role list
scum call on dack, beast
posts list on n1 actions




Sarkhan Vol - 12 posts
useless posts - 1
remarks on RPing
complements nissa
asks meshuvel to reveal tells rather than hold them
says cit claim strat wont work
more remarks on RPing
reveals as Citizen
claims no night feedback, not converted to priest
asks for lookout on him to find enforcer when priest tries to convert



Sifa Grent - 36 posts
usesless posts - 17
answers reapers most dangerous
defends previous answer
says no lynch d1
says dont bother with secondary objectives
evades Dacks question on his list speculations
witch reveal WIFOM
witch reveal WIFOM
slight scum call on nico
defends against breadcrumbing
refuses to defend himself because he has nothing to hide
slight buddy on ugin
says losing bus driver is bad
votes glissa
defends dormis reveal
attacks glissas reveal
states elspeth revealed as witch
agrees with tibalts demand


Sorin Markov - 4 posts
useless posts - 2
thinks we're sheeping glissa
decided to sheep glissa to put her at L-5
mentions executioner unlikely

he definately needs to contribute more, basically just sheeped


Terferi - As far as I'm aware, 0 posts, why hasn't he been replaced?



Tessebik - 19 posts
useless posts - 2
says jailor confirmation is easier than town is making it, doesn't provide solution
agrees with ugin that ral zak is scummy
mentions if too many cits reveal, scum more likely to hit scum as much as PRs
thought vig might not be in game
thinks elspeth has a good chance to be cole or SotB so investigating is useless
waffling on baltrice dack elspth, town on domri tibalt kiora, not scum on nico parcher vraska,
answers ugins question on whether witch gambits are good or bad
thinks scum wont take town leader position


Terzzeret - 28 posts
useless posts - 8
daytime good
says vraska too aggressive
votes glisa
cult low priority for maf
asks to leave witch to vig
doesnt believe witch claim
asks parcher if hes not a reaper
asks domri not to reveal results early
asks for early hammer


Tibalt - 33 posts
doesnt see how vig is confirmed
mentions only 2 kills but 3 killers, mentions 2 freezes posts updated player list
posts claimed roles
disagrees with dacks plan to let mafia kill cult, wants jailor to jail elspeth, wants to go with sarkons plan involving the lookout
asks dack why he wants elspeth lynched over other way
states clearly why cant work with witch
asks players to unvote with glissa at L4
combative with dack
posts a list of D2 notes mostly feedback and posts
asks players to post their night feedback even if they had none
posts list of possible elspeth logic
supports kioras line of thought that maf will likely have a player trying to be town leader
post lists explaining lack of dacks logic
calls ashiok a sheep
asks tezz why he left vote at L2 with a lot of time left
says he will post leads
Town call on baltrice
scum call on tezzeret, mentions glasses as avatar as scummy


Tibalt is a really big fan of posting info, often publicly available info, not sure if helpful or pretending to be helpful


Ugin - 48 posts
Unless Posts - 21
Answers Vraskas meta question
Answers Nico Bola's question asking for optimal vermaak setup
Mentions warden can be converted x2 posts
lightly mocks Baltrice
Makes a point of Gideon mentioning revolutionists when they might not exist
More causal arguing with Gideon
Rules question
Answers question on how to deal with possiblity of converted jailor poorly
Big response(calls Ral Zarek scum for using the word interesting, fluff, sheeping with Ajani, contradictory "plan is fullproof but ugin notices a flaw", fluff, fluff, fluff)
Big response(slight scum call on Teferi and Ashiok, fluff, slight scum call on sifa, slight town call on Dack, fluff, fluff, fluff, calls Nico scum for trying to talk to green maf
Calls sifa Grent defensive
Pushes sifa
slight scum call on chandra
Big response(fluff, fluff, fluff, slight push on Glissa to lynch Ajani, fluff, another push on Glissa to vote Ajani, more pushing, town call on Liliana, slight town call on Dack, slight scum call on sandruu, fluff,fluff,fluff)
admitts to sheeping glissa
Big response(calls liliana defensive, says sees problems in a plan and does state them, rule clarification, says plan can fail doesnt say how, scum call on venser, fluff, calls Mesh a sheep, calls vraska town leader, fluff)
Big response(pressures karn, slight scum on elspeth, more buddying with vraska
pushes asiok
Big response(calls elspeth cit, fluff, calls jace defensive, states dack is defending chandra and baltrice is defending dack, waffleing, fluff, fluff, fluff, calls chandra scum, fluff, fluff
Ugin is buddying hard on vraska
asks stance on gambits
says gambits have their place
pressure on ravi x2


Venser - 5 posts
useless posts - 2
answers meshs meta question, doesnt answer vraskas question
votes glissa after mentioning random people in RP
revotes glissa after talking about possible advantage to no lynch on d2
only 3 relevant posts



Vraska - 47
useless posts - 1
asks some meta questions
pushs people to answer his question
states we cant lynch but we can organize vig shots
votes FM Parcher because "I want him to do something" even though votes do nothing d1
Asks why Gideon voted xena
big response(defends pressure vote on parcher, fluff, scum call on Chandra and Nissa, slight defending nico, slight attacking ajani kiora and jace, town call on baltrice, pressure on ral, more attck on jace and sarkhan, wants to lynch jace, ral, parcher chandra and nissa)
votes to lynch parcher
more pressure on parcher
mad vig didnt kill elspith
big response(answering domri by analyzing ajani, mostly critical, straw mans one of ajanis arguments)
willing to vote ajani wants to stay on parcher
willing to trust elspeth if she stops trolling
heavy defending of ugin
pushing glissa to vote ajani
questions dormis questioning on ajani when he knew glissa was cult
votes glissa
says baltrice copied him
pressures glissa
says glissa should claim and vig should shoot her
mocks liliana
slight defense of glissa
defends liliana
town call on Dack and liliana
pushes jace
questions mesh
votes glissa
pushes tessebik
questions if the vig is afk after not shooting witch claimer d1
questions ugin
votes ajani
pushes jace
attacks elspeth
town call on dack
backing liliana
pushes treb


Xenagos - 6 posts
useless posts - 4
one of the first to post
votes nico 8 min into the game
says surprise is vermaaks greatest weapon
doesnt post at all day 2, nearly all posts are worthless
[/QUOTE]

I encourage someone to check all of my posts for relationships and posts reads of their own. I also highly encourage people to comment on how accurately the chart portrays your feelings towards each player and to remark on players you are marked as not interacting with.

Relationships Id like to draw the most attention to are:
Tessebik and Domris surprisingly positive feelings towards Kiora
Beltrice's and Dack's big fight at the end of day 2
Dacks persistence on claiming sifa is amnesiac

Tibalt, despite how content heavy your posts are, I have relatively few reads from you on other people. Would you mind stating your biggest town and scum reads?

Due to garruks lurking and his sheeping on a sheriff target I want to put pressure on him to, at the very least, give his reads on everyone.

I feel that most scum will try to avoid interacting with their scum teammates as much as possible either not commenting on them or only placing light scum/town reads on them.

Now lets call out some scum,
For America!

[FM Ugin]

Ugin notices that his paper that had the red name is gone. He writes it down again FM Elspeth Tirel

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, like I told us before, Meshuvel should be the elected as the next President of United States of America. Who else support my suggestion, hmm?

[FM Meshuvel]

I was roleblocked last night. I was roleblocked night 1 as well. Someone is afraid of America!

Parcher said he would use his weaponsmith gun to shoot Nico last night but nico is still alive.

[FM Ugin]

Ugin walks over to Meshuvel and points towards his thoughts about Venser. He would like to know what you think about his conclusion on what he might be.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

I cant help but notice that Parcher shot me in your graph dot dot dot Im still here period

[FM Domri Rade]

I cant help but notice that Parcher shot me in your graph dot dot dot Im still here period

It allows you to defend yourself. Are you of the light or of the dark?

[FM Nicol Bolas]

It allows you to defend yourself. Are you of the light or of the dark?

A shadow requires both light and dark comma of which do I belong comma judge for yourself period

[FM Domri Rade]

A shadow requires both light and dark comma of which do I belong comma judge for yourself period

The darkness is a lack of light. Defend yourself. Do you have light or are you a shade?

[FM Nicol Bolas]

I see no reason why I should defend myself comma even though you seem to be our open quote trusted sheriff close quote comma I needeth not answer questions that have no importance nor any value to our investigation period No one would trust a simple answer anyways so why answer at all question mark

[FM Tibalt]

A shadow requires both light and dark comma of which do I belong comma judge for yourself period

If there is any way I can persuade you to drop the gambit let me know. Reading your posts makes my head hurt.

[FM Parcher]

yeah its unfortunate that Nicol is night immune

FM Nicol Bolas

He's on my ignore list so I don't have to listen to his pitiful defense

[FM Meshuvel]

Ugin walks over to Meshuvel and points towards his thoughts about Venser. He would like to know what you think about his conclusion on what he might be.

I'd bet my life on Venser being a Militizen. I'm almost certain I know his COM and this is his first game. I don't think Elixir would give a power role to someone for their first game.

[FM Ral Zarek]

well now the plan about citizens is screwed. luckily we almost got rid of cult already

[FM Domri Rade]

I see no reason why I should defend myself comma even though you seem to be our open quote trusted sheriff close quote comma I needeth not answer questions that have no importance nor any value to our investigation period No one would trust a simple answer anyways so why answer at all question mark

Defend your use of the confusing writing. It obfuscates the entire enlightenment process.

[FM Dack Fayden]

My feedback was illuminating last night.

Powers of light need to record their actions and reads.

=not suspicious?
I'm wondering why mafia didn't try to rb you.

The kill targets make me feel really uncomfortable like scum is too active thus they have to shoot lurkers in order to avoid POE via activity levels in the endgame.

Also, everyone should note that if there are revolutionists, and if they had successful recruits N4 is the earliest we would expect a kill from them.

I'll have to re-read Jace/Baltrice but as for now, I'm not too suspicious of Baltrice anymore. I wonder why the vigi shot Jace instead of Elspeth.

[FM Domri Rade]

Dack, illuminating can mean many things. It happens to give me information.

[FM Dack Fayden]

I'd bet my life on Venser being a Militizen. I'm almost certain I know his COM and this is his first game. I don't think Elixir would give a power role to someone for their first game.

Nah I was a power role in my first FM. Bad reasoning is bad.


yeah its unfortunate that Nicol is night immune

FM Nicol Bolas

[FM Dack Fayden]

I want a gunsmith gun. Plz kthx.

[FM Dack Fayden]

Also I expect to hear jailed claims today.

[FM Parcher]

Quoted my post to make sure no one asks you why you voted Nicol, even though no one would do that. Unnecessarily cautious, behavior that contrasts with yesterday's bold behavior, noted.

Also, Dack Fayden is guaranteed not Cultist.

[FM Domri Rade]

I must ask you, Parcher, why the light should believe you when one of the darknesses failed in their assault?

Nicol is dark, but that does not exclude Parcher from being of a different darkness.

[FM Sandruu]

Correction, I stated that Elspeth shows signs of Beast.

She seems to side herself with mafia publicly as to not be night killed, but at the same time try's to prove her safety to town.

[FM Dack Fayden]

Quoted my post to make sure no one asks you why you voted Nicol, even though no one would do that. Unnecessarily cautious, behavior that contrasts with yesterday's bold behavior, noted.

Also, Dack Fayden is guaranteed not Cultist.

What do you think my perceived change in behavior means? Do you think it is more scummy, towny, or neutral?

[FM Sandruu]

Dac's conviction towards the claimed witch seems to be up and over though.

[FM Dack Fayden]

Dac's conviction towards the claimed witch seems to be up and over though.

I'm not that interested in Elspeth right now. I think that if the vigil didn't take care of Elspeth yet there must be a reason for it.

[FM Parcher]

I must ask you, Parcher, why the light should believe you when one of the darknesses failed in their assault?

Nicol is dark, but that does not exclude Parcher from being of a different darkness.

Hmm...no there isn't any tangible proof on my part but the best thing to aid my credibility is the fact that I told you guys I shot someone and failed to killed them even though one of the Conduits failed their attacks. I don't withhold information out of fear of FoS.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

If there is any way I can persuade you to drop the gambit let me know. Reading your posts makes my head hurt.

Shall I convert to inflationary language instead question mark I would think that would be even harder to read period

[FM Parcher]

What do you think my perceived change in behavior means? Do you think it is more scummy, towny, or neutral?

Neutral, it's natural to recoil a little bit after advocating to not lynch a Cult Leader flip.

[FM Sandruu]

Parcher, were you stating that Nicol was night immune due to an attack from you,

[FM Parcher]

Parcher, were you stating that Nicol was night immune due to an attack from you,

I'm saying my shot did not kill him

[FM Domri Rade]

Hmm...no there isn't any tangible proof on my part but the best thing to aid my credibility is the fact that I told you guys I shot someone and failed to killed them even though one of the Conduits failed their attacks. I don't withhold information out of fear of FoS.

Care to explain your roleclaim of corrupted light you made yesterday?

[FM Domri Rade]

Shall I convert to inflationary language instead question mark I would think that would be even harder to read period

Nicol, claim your role. Dark or light?

[FM Parcher]

Care to explain your roleclaim of corrupted light you made yesterday?

I was astounded by how slowly the lynch train was moving, so in my impatience I lied to attempt to make it go faster.
In my impatience also I didn't really think it through so it was weak, but whatever.

Yes, I hereby retract my Reaper roleclaim

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Are we really gonna do this again question mark I dont claim roles period

[FM Domri Rade]

Are we really gonna do this again question mark I dont claim roles period

FM Nicol Bolas

Claim a role. Your speech is of the dark. Your suggestions help the shades. Why should the light let you live?

[FM Parcher]

Brb school

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, so this means there is still at least one Reaper alive? Mmm... don't bother with that. How about this for a change of pace, hmm?

THE BEAST IS 419 MILES FROM NEW MARAIS

And that bring us to, mmm... today's the next main topic, which you should already figure out by now.

FM Nicol Bolas

[FM Nicol Bolas]

I think Ill catch a nap period Let me know when you find something more interesting to debate other than me period

[FM Meshuvel]

I think Ill catch a nap period Let me know when you find something more interesting to debate other than me period

I don't like that nico is so dead set on ignoring accusations against him.

FM Nicol Bolas

[FM Vraska]

Hi.

I'll post more after work.

Gut is saying that I don't like Meshuval's post because even though it looks impressive, it's just summarizing without any analysis.

However, I want Nicol to do things + claim. That's my first priority, I think.

Nicol Bolas

[FM Tibalt]

I think Ill catch a nap period Let me know when you find something more interesting to debate other than me period

I am inclined to see you dead. From D1, D2, and the little time we have seen in D3 your method of posting has proved to be disruptive which I find anti-town. Your flip will create another semi-confirmed townie and eliminate a probable scum.

I would also ask players to claim if they did not receive feedback and get in the habit of doing so first post each day.

[FM Vraska]

Nothing happened to me during the night.

Tibalt, if you think Baltrice is scum, question her intentions, her motives, her mindset for Doing Things. Good scum players, if you let them do their thing, can look pro-town but the way you make a player crumble and build a case is by asking questions.

[FM Masrath]

Hot diggity! It is now past Tuesday and as promised, I will now contribute more. If I ever refrain from posting from now on, I have no good excuse; just lurking, laziness, sleeping, what have you. Given my absence, though, I don't have a very good grasp on the happenings from the past two days, and I will need to go back and reread those posthaste. If anyone has some questions they'd like to ask me in the meantime so I can answer them and feel like I'm contributing, that'd be great.


I cant help but notice that Parcher shot me in your graph dot dot dot Im still here period

Hey, buddy, if you're going to take the effort to annoy us by typing out the names of your punctuation instead of using the symbols, at least use the correct names, k? It's ellipsis, not "dot dot dot."

Some slap-dash notes I remember from Day 1: Those pushing hardest for Elspeth's lynch are probably scum, given that if Elspeth is lynched and flips Witch, they get to look pro-town for helping lynch an anti-town, and if Elspeth ends up flipping some Town pulling a gambit, then that's one less town they have to take down. Win-win for them. Tezzeret was one person I noticed doing this.

[FM Domri Rade]

Masrath, how do you see Nicol? Is he dark or is he light?

[FM Tibalt]

Nothing happened to me during the night.

Tibalt, if you think Baltrice is scum, question her intentions, her motives, her mindset for Doing Things. Good scum players, if you let them do their thing, can look pro-town but the way you make a player crumble and build a case is by asking questions.

Its all about figuring out a players intention. Every move we make with our words reflects an intention. Every reaction to another players move reveals a little bit more.


Hey, buddy, if you're going to take the effort to annoy us by typing out the names of your punctuation instead of using the symbols, at least use the correct names, k? It's ellipsis, not "dot dot dot."

+5 Certified badass points.

[FM Sandruu]

I'll join this train, we need some answers from him.

FM Nicol Bolas

[FM Masrath]

Masrath, how do you see Nicol? Is he dark or is he light?

What I can say right now is he's intentionally drawing attention to himself with the way he's always typing out the names of punctuation instead of using the symbols. And usually, scum try not to draw attention to themselves. That doesn't mean he's not scum pulling a gambit, though, or perhaps some sort of neutral that wants attention.

To speak any further on the subject, I will need to finish reading the happenings of the past two days.

[FM Parcher]

Hot diggity! It is now past Tuesday and as promised, I will now contribute more. If I ever refrain from posting from now on, I have no good excuse; just lurking, laziness, sleeping, what have you. Given my absence, though, I don't have a very good grasp on the happenings from the past two days, and I will need to go back and reread those posthaste. If anyone has some questions they'd like to ask me in the meantime so I can answer them and feel like I'm contributing, that'd be great.



Hey, buddy, if you're going to take the effort to annoy us by typing out the names of your punctuation instead of using the symbols, at least use the correct names, k? It's ellipsis, not "dot dot dot."

Some slap-dash notes I remember from Day 1: Those pushing hardest for Elspeth's lynch are probably scum, given that if Elspeth is lynched and flips Witch, they get to look pro-town for helping lynch an anti-town, and if Elspeth ends up flipping some Town pulling a gambit, then that's one less town they have to take down. Win-win for them. Tezzeret was one person I noticed doing this.

Yes, Tezzeret and Karn are scums

[FM Vraska]

Its all about figuring out a players intention. Every move we make with our words reflects an intention. Every reaction to another players move reveals a little bit more.


Agreed - but that type of analysis can be difficult.

Not only do we have to directly compete against another human being (Baltrice, in that case) who is trying very hard not be discovered (if she's scum), but we also have to be able sift through the false leads created by other players.

We have to be able to distinguish between good evidence, and red herrings.

Hey, what about a quid pro quo. If you analyze some people on my list that I have as scummy/nullish then I can take an in-depth look at Baltrice for you.

If you're willing to take me up on this request, I'd like for you to look at:

FM Tezzeret
FM Garruk Wildspeaker
FM Ravi Sengir

If you do so, once I come back from work I can analyze Baltrice more deeply.

What do you think?

[FM Vraska]

Some slap-dash notes I remember from Day 1: Those pushing hardest for Elspeth's lynch are probably scum, given that if Elspeth is lynched and flips Witch, they get to look pro-town for helping lynch an anti-town, and if Elspeth ends up flipping some Town pulling a gambit, then that's one less town they have to take down. Win-win for them. Tezzeret was one person I noticed doing this.

It's why neutral hunting is naturally scummy - you try an lynch a neutral and you don't get any heat from it because the person in question did not flip town. It lets scum scumhunt without actually doing anything.

(Exception to Dack for going against the grain, though, and I would still like Elspeth dead)

[FM Parcher]

how the fuck does the beast move so fast

[FM Sifa Grent]

how the fuck does the beast move so fast

Hmm, that thing apparently moves faster than we can think. I believe, that we are progressing, hmm, in the right direction after all. Speaking of which, hmm...

THE BEAST IS 418 MILES FROM NEW MARAIS

[FM Domri Rade]

Hmm, that thing apparently moves faster than we can think. I believe, that we are progressing, hmm, in the right direction after all. Speaking of which, hmm...

THE BEAST IS 418 MILES FROM NEW MARAIS

Why do you fixate on that specific darkness?

[FM Masrath]

how the fuck does the beast move so fast

Eh, he's not moving all that fast. Average car on an interstate highway, assuming no traffic or stops, can go 1000 miles in 16 hours or so. This "beast" has gone 1082 miles in 48 hours, making him about 1/3 as fast as a car. Which isn't all that surprising even by normal animal standards. His endurance, however, is remarkable.

Halfway through rereading day one now, and I think it's interesting how hard and how fast Nissa started FoSing Nicol.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Why do you fixate on that specific darkness?

Hmm, don't you feel yourself terribly scared (or excited) while watcing the countdown to our doom, hmm? Speaking of which, would you like to join in this countdown, hmm?

Personally I think that Nicol Bolas is, mmm, probably Soul of the Beast itself. Don't you agree with my thoughts, hmm?

[FM Domri Rade]

Hmm, don't you feel yourself terribly scared (or excited) while watcing the countdown to our doom, hmm? Speaking of which, would you like to join in this countdown, hmm?

Personally I think that Nicol Bolas is, mmm, probably Soul of the Beast itself. Don't you agree with my thoughts, hmm?

I cannot say I fear the darkness that hides its true nature. The options have not come to light. I would much rather fight that which we know how to fight instead of chasing ghosts and smoke for the possibility of averting doom. Doom is not guaranteed. We do not know the options. Why do you fixate on this specific darkness?

[FM Masrath]

New note about Nicol: The way he has kept up his... unique way of talking tells of a person who's not afraid of being targeted at night. Knowing how annoying his text is to read (dear god it hurts my eyes just seeing it), it would attract attention to him both at day and night. Either he's not afraid of being killed at night, meaning he's scum and/or some night immune role, or he's not afraid of being lynched, meaning he's a jester.

He's certainly not trying to HELP the town by talking in that manner.

[FM Tibalt]

Hmm, don't you feel yourself terribly scared (or excited) while watcing the countdown to our doom, hmm? Speaking of which, would you like to join in this countdown, hmm?

Personally I think that Nicol Bolas is, mmm, probably Soul of the Beast itself. Don't you agree with my thoughts, hmm?

I doubt it. Our beast will likely be smarter than to draw attention.

I find this comment very interesting. You are a better player than this. It looks to me like you are intentionally lobbying for a lynch without regard for logic.


Agreed - but that type of analysis can be difficult.

Not only do we have to directly compete against another human being (Baltrice, in that case) who is trying very hard not be discovered (if she's scum), but we also have to be able sift through the false leads created by other players.

We have to be able to distinguish between good evidence, and red herrings.

Hey, what about a quid pro quo. If you analyze some people on my list that I have as scummy/nullish then I can take an in-depth look at Baltrice for you.

If you're willing to take me up on this request, I'd like for you to look at:

FM Tezzeret
FM Garruk Wildspeaker
FM Ravi Sengir

If you do so, once I come back from work I can analyze Baltrice more deeply.

What do you think?

I am all about it. But it will be in the second half of D3. Today is not good for me.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Why do you fixate on this specific darkness?

Didn't I answer your question in my previous post, hmm? And I said it was just my thought that Nicol Bolas is, mmm, SotB. My thoughts might differ from yours, but I'm voting Nicol Bolas myself for obvious reason. Because our, mmm, "fake Reaper" Parcher said so.

Just look at the role cards, hmm? There are several roles that can survive a night shot, and Nicol Bolas can be, mmm, any one of then.

[FM Domri Rade]

Didn't I answer your question in my previous post, hmm? And I said it was just my thought that Nicol Bolas is, mmm, SotB. My thoughts might differ from yours, but I'm voting Nicol Bolas myself for obvious reason. Because our, mmm, "fake Reaper" Parcher said so.

Just look at the role cards, hmm? There are several roles that can survive a night shot, and Nicol Bolas can be, mmm, any one of then.

What you said was stupid. You fear the beast because it could ruin the light's ability to do stuff. It's stupid because neither you nor I know what the beast would do if it arrives. If it arrives, the light can organize.

I am aware that Nicol could be the darkness that approaches. I am also more aware that he is counter-productive and very dark. Making statements about his role is merely unenlightened.

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

There goes the priest I were hoping would do something useful, what am I to do now?

I'm going to claim that I once again have received no feedback.

What was the reason FM Venser was targeted?

I'd like to comment on that FM Meshuvel's post #10 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24488-Day-III-Premonition?p=405026&viewfull=1#post405026) was quite useful and would recommend anyone to read it.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Sifa is now amnesiac no?

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Bus driver*

[FM Nissa Revane]

Keep this in mind, Nicol could be Jester. I haven't really read the day since I am still in school, but I will be back later and contribute something.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I don't remember seeing night protection or immunity in Jester's role card. No one would bother to protect him either, hmm.

So why you are stating that he could be Jester, hmm? Remember that Parcher claimed that he shot Nicol Bolas with blacksmith gun, hmm?

[FM Parcher]

Yeah he should be dead if Jester. Nissa, which conduit faction are you?

[FM Ravi Sengir]

I have awakened. Nothing happened to me last night.


Agreed - but that type of analysis can be difficult.

Not only do we have to directly compete against another human being (Baltrice, in that case) who is trying very hard not be discovered (if she's scum), but we also have to be able sift through the false leads created by other players.

We have to be able to distinguish between good evidence, and red herrings.

Hey, what about a quid pro quo. If you analyze some people on my list that I have as scummy/nullish then I can take an in-depth look at Baltrice for you.

If you're willing to take me up on this request, I'd like for you to look at:

FM Tezzeret
FM Garruk Wildspeaker
FM Ravi Sengir

If you do so, once I come back from work I can analyze Baltrice more deeply.

What do you think?

I see I have made your list. What is it about me that you find objectionable?

[FM Ashiok]

Multi quote did this all out of order.


I was astounded by how slowly the lynch train was moving, so in my impatience I lied to attempt to make it go faster.
In my impatience also I didn't really think it through so it was weak, but whatever.

Yes, I hereby retract my Reaper roleclaim

How do we know you are not lying now because you don't like the way he talks?


Keep this in mind, Nicol could be Jester. I haven't really read the day since I am still in school, but I will be back later and contribute something.

Scum warning other scum.


Quoted my post to make sure no one asks you why you voted Nicol, even though no one would do that. Unnecessarily cautious, behavior that contrasts with yesterday's bold behavior, noted.

Also, Dack Fayden is guaranteed not Cultist.

Is this a read or do you claim to have feedback?


Hmm, so this means there is still at least one Reaper alive? Mmm... don't bother with that. How about this for a change of pace, hmm?

THE BEAST IS 419 MILES FROM NEW MARAIS

And that bring us to, mmm... today's the next main topic, which you should already figure out by now.

FM Nicol Bolas

Sifa is sotb and should be lynched/ dayshot on principle.

Tibalt, I challenge you to a duel.

Now watch me die tonight.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

I see that we are voting Nicol based on a claim made by Parcher yesterday. What evidence do we have that Parcher is trustworthy?

[FM Ravi Sengir]

I see that we are voting Nicol based on a claim made by Parcher yesterday. What evidence do we have that Parcher is trustworthy?

Until someone provides me with a satisfactory answer to this question, I will place my vote upon Nissa, who I believe to be the scummiest person alive right now. FM Nissa Revane

[FM Ashiok]

It is odd that Dack claims he is not worried about the Elspeth when yesterday he spent so much effort trying to derail Sasha train onto her, even going so far as to suggest that she was vigilante and ask scum to kill her.

Though Nissa is a conduit, I believe the day would be better spent focusing on other scum so we don't end up lynching Cole before the beast arrives, as it is my understanding the beast will be easier to defeat if Cole is alive.

[FM Tibalt]

Multi quote did this all out of order.



How do we know you are not lying now because you don't like the way he talks?



Scum warning other scum.



Is this a read or do you claim to have feedback?



Sifa is sotb and should be lynched/ dayshot on principle.

Tibalt, I challenge you to a duel.

Now watch me die tonight.

Accepted. Pick any terms and subject. I want to see you talk.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

It is odd that Dack claims he is not worried about the Elspeth when yesterday he spent so much effort trying to derail Sasha train onto her, even going so far as to suggest that she was vigilante and ask scum to kill her.

Though Nissa is a conduit, I believe the day would be better spent focusing on other scum so we don't end up lynching Cole before the beast arrives, as it is my understanding the beast will be easier to defeat if Cole is alive.

How could you possibly come to that understanding?

The soul of the beast's role card clearly states that if Cole is alive he is given a choice. Though it is ambiguous on what exactly happens if cole is not alive, it implies that without Cole to make the choice, the choice will not be made (except perhaps by the hosts). So I do not see how you could possibly think that keeping Cole alive and thus, allowing him to choose the soul of the beast's new role, is better than killing Cole and forcing the soul of the beast to take a predetermined role.

Congratulations, you are now my #1 beast suspect. I am considering shifting my vote to you and postponing Nissa's inevitable lynch for another day.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Yeah, the beast needs to go. FM Ashiok

Nissa can wait.

[FM Ashiok]

I have not played any infamous games. I only know Cole is the 'protagonist' and the Beast is the 'antagonist'. Makes sense that if the character that defeats the Beast is dead before the Beast shows up, he will be harder to defeat. Now go ahead and mislynch me, will only make the game harder for militia.

Tibalt, we meet tonight at the local baseball field, dressed all in black. Knives only.

[FM Tibalt]

I have not played any infamous games. I only know Cole is the 'protagonist' and the Beast is the 'antagonist'. Makes sense that if the character that defeats the Beast is dead before the Beast shows up, he will be harder to defeat. Now go ahead and mislynch me, will only make the game harder for militia.

Tibalt, we meet tonight at the local baseball field, dressed all in black. Knives only.

Naked? Sounds fun.

Rather than throwing in the towel why not have a little conversational dance? Have some fun before you are so willing to die.

[FM Ashiok]

Sure, let's have a chat. What do you want to talk about???

[FM Tibalt]

If you are putting the ball in my court then reads. Pick a player and lets toss a ball on the players actions. Between the two of us we should be able to come to some interesting conclusions.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

I have not played any infamous games. I only know Cole is the 'protagonist' and the Beast is the 'antagonist'. Makes sense that if the character that defeats the Beast is dead before the Beast shows up, he will be harder to defeat. Now go ahead and mislynch me, will only make the game harder for militia.

Tibalt, we meet tonight at the local baseball field, dressed all in black. Knives only.

Before I respond to this, I need to ask:

Since the Beast's role card does not specify its win condition, and all other win conditions contain the phrase "you must eliminate...and all other unaffiliated conduits that cannot win with [insert your faction here]", will there be a public notification as to the Beast's new win condition/whether or not the Beast counts as an unaffiliated conduit that cannot win with us?

[FM Tibalt]

On Ugin.

Whats up with him talking like a cave man? Reads on D3#7?

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

I have not played any infamous games. I only know Cole is the 'protagonist' and the Beast is the 'antagonist'. Makes sense that if the character that defeats the Beast is dead before the Beast shows up, he will be harder to defeat. Now go ahead and mislynch me, will only make the game harder for militia.


Are you claiming Cole MacGrath?

[FM Tibalt]

Are you claiming Cole MacGrath?
Very bad assumption here. I guess I should now say that my professional obligations have changed. I should be able to play ball today : )

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Are you claiming Cole MacGrath?

That's another possibility. I still think he's more Beast-like, but either way I think we can agree that he should be lynched.

[FM Ashiok]

On Ugin.

Whats up with him talking like a cave man? Reads on D3#7?

I believe the cave man talk is becaues his name is a guttural-sounding one. However the association is stretched, probably a shield against possible slips. Whether this means he is scum or just a player that always seems scummy I'm not sure. His read on Vesner's death seems plausible.



Are you claiming Cole MacGrath?

No; Elspeth stated that previous FM required combined efforts to defeat the beast. I simply want to have the best chance when it shows up.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Very bad assumption here. I guess I should now say that my professional obligations have changed. I should be able to play ball today : )

Care to explain why it's a bad assumption, or am I to believe that Sarkhan is right, and you are merely defending your good (scum) buddy Cole?

[FM Ashiok]

Care to explain why it's a bad assumption, or am I to believe that Sarkhan is right, and you are merely defending your good (scum) buddy Cole?

You are putting yourself too far out. When I flip Militia, they will be shot at night. Is that a good thing for Militia? Are you Vermaak trying to make up for your unsuccessful night kill?

[FM Ashiok]

I will return in a little while.

[FM Tibalt]

Care to explain why it's a bad assumption, or am I to believe that Sarkhan is right, and you are merely defending your good (scum) buddy Cole?



Are you claiming Cole MacGrath?


Care to explain why it's a bad assumption, or am I to believe that Sarkhan is right, and you are merely defending your good (scum) buddy Cole?

Let me be coy and say I am defending my scum buddy. Now lets use a bit of logic. Cole is the 2nd most important role in this game. It stands to reason that the host would give it to a very smart player. Ashiok's plays scream 'cit that will not give a fuck due to ODD' Theres a chance of a PR there but extremely unlikely for a game changing role.

Now step back from that reasoning and start over. Lets look at D3#85. It is really silly to think that cole would make speculation on his own role at this stage of the game. If it was D1 I would buy it. D3.. Hell no. On top of that the speculation is on the video game and not elixers mechanics. If anything of value at all I take Sarkhan's comment as a scum move but the entire discussion is just nonsense.

[FM Tibalt]

I have been playing with the idea for a while and have decided to claim my feedback.

I was attacked and healed.

This means..

1. We have a 3kpn situation
2. I am 100% not one of the the 3 evil groups
3. Our 3rd KPN is either extreemly unlucky or...
4. Our 3rd KPN was not in play the previous night. (I think the trade off of a doc claim is worth me revealing because I think this is exactly why we have had only 2kpn)

Take this and work with it

[FM Domri Rade]

I have been playing with the idea for a while and have decided to claim my feedback.

I was attacked and healed.

This means..

1. We have a 3kpn situation
There is what you call a vigilante who shot last night.
2. I am 100% not one of the the 3 evil groups
What a dark and unproven thing to say. Reasoning?
3. Our 3rd KPN is either extreemly unlucky or...
Or is a killer in the light.
4. Our 3rd KPN was not in play the previous night. (I think the trade off of a doc claim is worth me revealing because I think this is exactly why we have had only 2kpn)
The killer in the light showed restraint.
Take this and work with it

If this is true, then you are no orange shade. That is what I understand of this enlightenment.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

You are putting yourself too far out. When I flip Militia, they will be shot at night. Is that a good thing for Militia? Are you Vermaak trying to make up for your unsuccessful night kill?

Who is "they"? Don't tell me what I'm doing, I'm aware without your input. Yeah, obviously by trying to lynch scum, I must be Vermaak. Good logic.


Let me be coy and say I am defending my scum buddy. Now lets use a bit of logic. Cole is the 2nd most important role in this game. It stands to reason that the host would give it to a very smart player. Ashiok's plays scream 'cit that will not give a fuck due to ODD' Theres a chance of a PR there but extremely unlikely for a game changing role.

Now step back from that reasoning and start over. Lets look at D3#85. It is really silly to think that cole would make speculation on his own role at this stage of the game. If it was D1 I would buy it. D3.. Hell no. On top of that the speculation is on the video game and not elixers mechanics. If anything of value at all I take Sarkhan's comment as a scum move but the entire discussion is just nonsense.

Yeah, because scum would never lie, or intentionally mislead us. They will always tell the truth, and never speculate on their own roles publicly to try to seem like town. That's NEVER happened before in an FM. Never. That's not, like, the entire basis of the game or anything. Nope, not at all.

Oh, and your attempt to meta the host is garbage. New players get important roles all the time. I've been in several games with new/stupid players as mafia, doctors, vigilantes, serial killers, you name it. Hosts may occasionally favor known intelligent players for PRs, but assuming that all PRs will go to smart people is stupid, especially given the huge amount of evidence to the contrary.


I have been playing with the idea for a while and have decided to claim my feedback.

I was attacked and healed.

This means..

1. We have a 3kpn situation
2. I am 100% not one of the the 3 evil groups
3. Our 3rd KPN is either extreemly unlucky or...
4. Our 3rd KPN was not in play the previous night. (I think the trade off of a doc claim is worth me revealing because I think this is exactly why we have had only 2kpn)

Take this and work with it

Or you could be lying, which means none of that is true.

If you're telling the truth, though, it's entirely possible that the 3rd KPN hit a night immune role on night one. Or that another player was healed (doc mvp?) and didn't claim it.

The question we must ask ourselves is why would anyone want to attack you? Or heal you, for that matter. Because frankly I don't see why anyone would consider you a good target for either action.

[FM Tibalt]

If this is true, then you are no orange shade. That is what I understand of this enlightenment.

Take a few steps forward on your suggestion that a vig attempted to kill me and say what reasoning you come to.

We have 3 evil killers.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Actually, I just re-read the day start post. Jace was killed by the extremist (vigilante) who probably just decided not to shoot night one since he only has 3 shots. Which means if you are telling the truth, you were likely hit by the Vermaaks.

[FM Domri Rade]

Actually, I just re-read the day start post. Jace was killed by the extremist (vigilante) who probably just decided not to shoot night one since he only has 3 shots. Which means if you are telling the truth, you were likely hit by the Vermaaks.

You have seen the light that I have seen. Tibalt seems to be blind to the day's post.

[FM Tibalt]

Who is "they"? Don't tell me what I'm doing, I'm aware without your input. Yeah, obviously by trying to lynch scum, I must be Vermaak. Good logic.



Yeah, because scum would never lie, or intentionally mislead us. They will always tell the truth, and never speculate on their own roles publicly to try to seem like town. That's NEVER happened before in an FM. Never. That's not, like, the entire basis of the game or anything. Nope, not at all.

Oh, and your attempt to meta the host is garbage. New players get important roles all the time. I've been in several games with new/stupid players as mafia, doctors, vigilantes, serial killers, you name it. Hosts may occasionally favor known intelligent players for PRs, but assuming that all PRs will go to smart people is stupid, especially given the huge amount of evidence to the contrary.



Or you could be lying, which means none of that is true.

If you're telling the truth, though, it's entirely possible that the 3rd KPN hit a night immune role on night one. Or that another player was healed (doc mvp?) and didn't claim it.

The question we must ask ourselves is why would anyone want to attack you? Or heal you, for that matter. Because frankly I don't see why anyone would consider you a good target for either action.

That little bit right there. I think you just dug yourself a hole sir.

[FM Domri Rade]

That little bit right there. I think you just dug yourself a hole sir.

Why are you a good target for darkness? Pointing to posts is appreciated.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

That little bit right there. I think you just dug yourself a hole sir.

Did I? Do tell.

[FM Sorin Markov]

I've been lurking like there's no tomorrow.

Been rather busy and all that jazz, so I haven't really made any constructive posts so far. I am, by no means, trying to hide and stay low as some scum would do. I've been able to somewhat follow the thread through mobile.

[FM Tibalt]

Why are you a good target for darkness? Pointing to posts is appreciated.

Tit for tat. Drop the act for the rest of the game and I will answer your question in extreme detail

[FM Domri Rade]

Tit for tat. Drop the act for the rest of the game and I will answer your question in extreme detail

I would rather not have a doctor claim today. If you provide a valid reason for the orange shades to attack you then your case is brighter.

[FM Parcher]

You are putting yourself too far out. When I flip Militia, they will be shot at night. Is that a good thing for Militia? Are you Vermaak trying to make up for your unsuccessful night kill?

Actually, I just re-read the day start post. Jace was killed by the extremist (vigilante) who probably just decided not to shoot night one since he only has 3 shots. Which means if you are telling the truth, you were likely hit by the Vermaaks.

How do you guys know the Vermaaks were the faction that failed their night kills? Are you guys both Vermaaks?

[FM Domri Rade]

How do you guys know the Vermaaks were the faction that failed their night kills? Are you guys both Vermaaks?

Electrocution is the designated kill for Cole's Conduits. Vermaak 88 freeze their target.

[FM Parcher]

The Day Start post says [Conduit] refers to either mafia team

[FM Domri Rade]

The Day Start post says [Conduit] refers to either mafia team

The RP is fairly clear in my opinion. Venser was electrocuted.

[FM Meshuvel]

How do you guys know the Vermaaks were the faction that failed their night kills? Are you guys both Vermaaks?

Because it is very likely that Coles are the only team with a janitor.

[FM Ashiok]

I return.

Also, if Vesner had been vermaak kill, that means they would have chosen shit janitor. And their janitor freezes and shatters their target according to the rolecard.

[FM Tibalt]

I would rather not have a doctor claim today. If you provide a valid reason for the orange shades to attack you then your case is brighter.

If I prove to be brighter (Or whatever nonsense you want to RP) than the current situation will you drop your nonsense and talk like a normal player?

[FM Domri Rade]

If I prove to be brighter (Or whatever nonsense you want to RP) than the current situation will you drop your nonsense and talk like a normal player?

The light makes no compromise with those who are not proven to be of the light. I am not at trial here. Your claim is. Your insistence to not argue your targetness is dark. Are you wanting a healer of the highest order to claim?

[FM Ashiok]

If I prove to be brighter (Or whatever nonsense you want to RP) than the current situation will you drop your nonsense and talk like a normal player?

Don't tell me I'm an asshole then make revealing information dependent on someone's behavior. In my mind, he still isn't confirmed sheriff, and could very well be Zeke, since reapers could fuck up conduits too.

[FM Nissa Revane]

Alright this is my read about Nicol Bolas from Day 1.


Post #1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402284&viewfull=1#post402284) He felt the need to earn a personal achievement of posting first. Otherwise, its a filler post.
Also the only post that he actually use a punctuation instead of saying the punctuation.

Post #2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402286&viewfull=1#post402286) Filler

Post #3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402289&viewfull=1#post402289) He asked a question asking if he could discuss about Vermaak 88

Post #4 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402310&viewfull=1#post402310) This post is definitely scummy. Even after people decided it is best to not discuss about Vermaak until Day 2, he STILL discussed it anyway. It should be common sense and he should listened to other people.

Post #5 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402330&viewfull=1#post402330) Filler

Post #6 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402665&viewfull=1#post402665) Another extremely scummy post. He discourage scumhunting on day 1. What kind of town does not want to scumhunt... Only scums are trying to get town to stop scumhunting. Definitely scummy here.
His last paragraph I do agree with, but its common sense anyway. No need to point it out.

Post #7 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402715#post402715) Doesn't want to discuss anything but Vermaak or Bertram because theres nothing else to talk about. Said that if you try to discuss anything else, its pointless. Scummy.

Post #8 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402720#post402720) Continued to discuss about Vermaak even when more people agreed that you shouldnt discuss about Vermaak's roles until Day 2

Post #9 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402891&viewfull=1#post402891) Telling the doctor to heal Dack, mostly filler

Post #10 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402895&viewfull=1#post402895) Filler about Spam bots

Post #11 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402898&viewfull=1#post402898) Filler

Post #12 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402901#post402901) Filler

Post #13 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402909#post402909) Telling Scum what to do. I believe that he is trying to communicate with scums. It is possible that he is a Vermaak and is attempting to communicate with Coles. Scummy.

Post #14 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402913#post402913) Filler about about saying Post 13 isnt scummy. This is scummy.

Post #15 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402927&viewfull=1#post402927) Filler.

Post #16 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402931#post402931) Soft buddying with Dack, fos Meshuvel and Vraska.

After analyzing Nicol Day 3, I can tell he is pulling a Jester Gambit. Sure he could still be scum and tried to pull a Jester to get out of a lynch, but it seems like he isn't trying too hard at all. I will not vote with you guys on this one. Idgaf if I look scummy. I am not going to try hard to convince all town that he is a Jester because I am not 100% sure.

Let me ask everyone, why do we trust Parcher? He claims he have a gun and shot Nicol. Remember that Parcher also claimed Reaper Veteran.

I may have more things to say but I will wait a little for now.

[FM Domri Rade]

Parcher is not a light of knowledge or trustworthiness. He does outshine Nicol. I find Nicol dark enough to pressure him to talk.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

How do you guys know the Vermaaks were the faction that failed their night kills? Are you guys both Vermaaks?

This specimen is clearly of an inferior intellect. Why does anyone trust him, again? Let's examine this for a second. He claims to have received a gun, which he used to shoot Nicol. Nicol is still alive. So Parcher claims he's night immune and we should lynch him. Ok... Let's look at the list of night immune roles, shall we?

Serial Killer
Spree Killer
Arsonist
Executioner
Lawyer
Soul of the Beast

Soul of the Beast isn't night immune, but it has an auto-vest, so what the hell, let's throw it in.

Since there have only been a maximum of 3 attempted kills on any given night thus far (one of which was the vigilante) that means the killing neutral that is guaranteed in the setup is most likely an arsonist, but also perhaps a very unlucky spree killer. This also greatly reduces the probability that there are multiple neutral killers (unless there are multiple arsonists, which I doubt).

Which leaves:

Arsonist
Executioner
Lawyer
Soul of the Beast

If Parcher's claim is true, those are the possible roles that Nicol could have. Two of them (lawyer and exec) do not matter to us at all. We would only be wasting our time by lynching them. The other two are high priority targets seeing as both of them become more dangerous as the game progresses. So even if we believe Parcher, our chances are 50/50 at making a good lynch by following his lead.

However, given that I don't trust Parcher one bit, I say he's lying. I believe Parcher is an executioner who is targeting Nicol. Or perhaps a Jester hoping to lead a mislynch today in order to get revenge lynched tomorrow. His plan was to claim a gunsmith gun, claim to be shooting his executioner target (or, if he's a jester: some random guy who happened to be Nicol), then when the target doesn't die (because Parcher has no gun) get everyone to lynch him because: "omg he's night immune lynch now" and win.

But as I explained above, night immune targets only have a 50/50 chance of being scum right now. So that's not even a great cause for lynch. Tsk, tsk. Parcher didn't do his homework.

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

I... am back. I find that the beast is 400 miles away and I go to cry in my room. This is a crowning achievement. I've never cried before.

[FM Karn]

Nothing happened again last night, unsurprisingly. I am not able to post a lot due to finals.

Meanwhile, FM Vraska, please answer this:

As you have FoS'd Parcher a lot since day 1, what role do you think he is?
As you have asked a lot of questions, have you been able to find any noteworthy scumslips from their responses?
Who is your main suspect and why?

[FM Domri Rade]

The leader of the green shades is immune to attacks. Parcher's trustworthiness is not the goal with this train. Nicol is incredibly dark and I would take this opportunity to pressure him. Parcher's trustworthiness is a sidenote.

[FM Ashiok]

This specimen is clearly of an inferior intellect. Why does anyone trust him, again? Let's examine this for a second. He claims to have received a gun, which he used to shoot Nicol. Nicol is still alive. So Parcher claims he's night immune and we should lynch him. Ok... Let's look at the list of night immune roles, shall we?

Serial Killer
Spree Killer
Arsonist
Executioner
Lawyer
Soul of the Beast

Soul of the Beast isn't night immune, but it has an auto-vest, so what the hell, let's throw it in.

Since there have only been a maximum of 3 attempted kills on any given night thus far (one of which was the vigilante) that means the killing neutral that is guaranteed in the setup is most likely an arsonist, but also perhaps a very unlucky spree killer. This also greatly reduces the probability that there are multiple neutral killers (unless there are multiple arsonists, which I doubt).

Which leaves:

Arsonist
Executioner
Lawyer
Soul of the Beast

If Parcher's claim is true, those are the possible roles that Nicol could have. Two of them (lawyer and exec) do not matter to us at all. We would only be wasting our time by lynching them. The other two are high priority targets seeing as both of them become more dangerous as the game progresses. So even if we believe Parcher, our chances are 50/50 at making a good lynch by following his lead.

However, given that I don't trust Parcher one bit, I say he's lying. I believe Parcher is an executioner who is targeting Nicol. Or perhaps a Jester hoping to lead a mislynch today in order to get revenge lynched tomorrow. His plan was to claim a gunsmith gun, claim to be shooting his executioner target (or, if he's a jester: some random guy who happened to be Nicol), then when the target doesn't die (because Parcher has no gun) get everyone to lynch him because: "omg he's night immune lynch now" and win.

But as I explained above, night immune targets only have a 50/50 chance of being scum right now. So that's not even a great cause for lynch. Tsk, tsk. Parcher didn't do his homework.

It is hard to tell due to editing but it seems Cole is also night immune.


I... am back. I find that the beast is 400 miles away and I go to cry in my room. This is a crowning achievement. I've never cried before.

Considering the beast arrives tomorrow you should start contributing. Or get lynched, your choice.

[FM Karn]

I highly doubt that Parcher is part of a faction or role that emphasize the need for survival (conduits, soul of the beast or killing neutrals) However, note that the one of the conduits didn't kill last night, and parcher claims that he has a gun

[FM Parcher]

I don't think Nicol is Cole Macgrath.

Top Scums off the top of my head:
Karn - Cole Macgrath
Nissa - Some Conduit faction
Nicol - Some flavor of night immune

Need to get over themselves:
Ravi

[FM Domri Rade]

I highly doubt that Parcher is part of a faction or role that emphasize the need for survival (conduits, soul of the beast or killing neutrals) However, note that the one of the conduits didn't kill last night, and parcher claims that he has a gun

Tibalt claimed that he was attacked. It is not proven because he darkly refuses to make a case for it. I do not want a healer to claim to confirm.

[FM Parcher]

As much of an unsociable, possibly neckbeard person as he is, Ravi does have a point

FM Karn
Equally likely to be scum as Nicol, but I feel Karn is a more dangerous scum role.

[FM Karn]

FM parcher, explain your suspicion on me

[FM Ravi Sengir]

The leader of the green shades is immune to attacks. Parcher's trustworthiness is not the goal with this train. Nicol is incredibly dark and I would take this opportunity to pressure him. Parcher's trustworthiness is a sidenote.


It is hard to tell due to editing but it seems Cole is also night immune.

Ah, I see it now. Oh how I miss text. Sweet, sweet ctrl + f-able text. So that makes it 40/60 of night immune roles being a good lynch. I still don't believe that he is night immune, though.


I don't think Nicol is Cole Macgrath.
Need to get over themselves:
Ravi

lulz


As much of an unsociable, possibly neckbeard person as he is, Ravi does have a point

FM Karn
Equally likely to be scum as Nicol, but I feel Karn is a more dangerous scum role.

My neck is the beardiest neck in all the land. Don't you forget it.

[FM Parcher]

FM parcher, explain your suspicion on me

I suspect you are either part of or lead the Cole's Conduit faction

[FM Karn]

I suspect you are either part of or lead the Cole's Conduit faction

Explain your reasoning instead of repeating your statement..

[FM Parcher]

because you are the epitome of blending in

Day 1: Absent
Day 2: Tried to ride the Elspeth train too hard
Day 3 thus far: Ask questions, indecisive (#127), repeatedly asking for what I'm accusing you of

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Alright this is my read about Nicol Bolas from Day 1.


After analyzing Nicol Day 3, I can tell he is pulling a Jester Gambit. Sure he could still be scum and tried to pull a Jester to get out of a lynch, but it seems like he isn't trying too hard at all. I will not vote with you guys on this one. Idgaf if I look scummy. I am not going to try hard to convince all town that he is a Jester because I am not 100% sure.

Let me ask everyone, why do we trust Parcher? He claims he have a gun and shot Nicol. Remember that Parcher also claimed Reaper Veteran.

I may have more things to say but I will wait a little for now.

I disagree with your assessment of Nicol. In post 4, I believe he was trying to influence them to pick suboptimal roles. Picking two Consiglieres or two willbenders would be really wasteful on their part. Plus, if he was actually Vermaak, he probably would've kept his ideas about their roles to himself until nightfall.

Post 6 is actually quite towny, imo. I agree with him on d1 scumhunting. It's one of the reasons I kept silent most of day one. It is mostly trolling and no one has any actual information to discuss. He then provides a good argument as to why Bertrand should be a Marshall rather than a mayor, and cautions PRs not to reveal.

in 9 he specifically he's not directing the doctor...

In 13 he's directing scum to hit other scum. This is a good thing.

The rest is accurate, I guess, but I still don't find Nicol to be very scummy, only annoying. And I doubt a scum would go out of his way to be so annoying as that's only going to make us more inclined to pay attention to him and try to find something scummy about him so we can get rid of him. It's only a viable tactic if he's a jester, and even then he's more useful than some of the more "towny" people are, so why not keep him around until he quits being useful?

[FM Ravi Sengir]

in 9 he specifically states he's not directing the doctor...


I missed a word. It was bugging me. Fixed.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

On my phone right now but you guys have been rather interesting comma Ill give a more full explanation of what Ive been up to when I get on my PC period

Btw parcher lied comma I was curious how many of you would trust him comma I now have my answer period

[FM Liliana Vess]

Why are we lynching Nicol again, is it just because he dodges questions and Parcher claimes he is night immune? As the claimed repear veteran I am not convinced of anything coming out of his text boxes atm and would encourage people to be just as sceptical over his posts.

Meshuval's first post of the day once agan has a lot of content followed by no actual conclusion and once again, no vote. He then sheeps everyone else on Nicol because of ??? reasons and didn't answer my criticism of his response.

FM Meshuval

until people can convince me that Nicol is definitely scum today aside from "Parcher said so".

[FM Baltrice]

Hey, I've just gotten off work and Im here and all caught up.

To address immediate things of note pertaining to myself
Tibalt ~ I didn't shy away from Dack's FoS just as I won't shy away here.
Whatever you believe you have please come forth with it and lets have a discussion.

Dormi ~ Based on what you have said during the opening of this day it looks like you found a scum. Is this true or no?

Meshuval ~ Expand on this read list you gave us and point out your scummy targets please.

I can't help but feel like my conversation with Dack wound up getting Jace killed.

[FM Baltrice]

Oh, nothing happened to me again it seems

[Slaol]

The Ray Sphere was the original name of the CoHost account. That is no longer the case, and The Ray Sphere is merely the day end post machine. Please do not send night actions to The Ray Sphere, but instead Reggie Rowe. Our apologies for the confusion.

[FM Ugin]

Ygin comes over after what seems to be a lot of work. He seems to be taking a break from it. He will probably return to it soon. For now, Ugin has a lot of catchin up to do.

[FM Koth]

What a swell day to be alive, my favourite colours are in full bloom.

Blue, green, bluegreen, yellow. I love this time of year!

Furthermore my dear associates, I can report not a single thing happened to this lass!

Teehee!

[FM Domri Rade]

Hey, I've just gotten off work and Im here and all caught up.

To address immediate things of note pertaining to myself
Tibalt ~ I didn't shy away from Dack's FoS just as I won't shy away here.
Whatever you believe you have please come forth with it and lets have a discussion.

Dormi ~ Based on what you have said during the opening of this day it looks like you found a scum. Is this true or no?

Meshuval ~ Expand on this read list you gave us and point out your scummy targets please.

I can't help but feel like my conversation with Dack wound up getting Jace killed.

I said my feedback was illuminating. I will reveal what the feedback was later in this glorious day.

[FM Ugin]

Hi.

I'll post more after work.

Gut is saying that I don't like Meshuval's post because even though it looks impressive, it's just summarizing without any analysis.

However, I want Nicol to do things + claim. That's my first priority, I think.

Nicol Bolas

Ugin finds that unsettling, he would like you to elaborate on why "you think" it is your first priority.


I am inclined to see you dead. From D1, D2, and the little time we have seen in D3 your method of posting has proved to be disruptive which I find anti-town. Your flip will create another semi-confirmed townie and eliminate a probable scum.

I would also ask players to claim if they did not receive feedback and get in the habit of doing so first post each day.

Ugin agrees, Ugin thinks only reason to hide it is to try to trap scums.


It's why neutral hunting is naturally scummy - you try an lynch a neutral and you don't get any heat from it because the person in question did not flip town. It lets scum scumhunt without actually doing anything.

(Exception to Dack for going against the grain, though, and I would still like Elspeth dead)

Ugin agrees on neutral hunting, however he also thinks neutral hunting has its benefits. Ugin thinks people are worried about unknowns and speculating it is only derailing. Ugin rather focus on knowns first.


Hmm, that thing apparently moves faster than we can think. I believe, that we are progressing, hmm, in the right direction after all. Speaking of which, hmm...

THE BEAST IS 418 MILES FROM NEW MARAIS


Why do you fixate on that specific darkness?

Ugin seconds it, he would like to know why your focused on it. Ugin sees that it was stated before that neutral hunting can be scummy.


Hmm, don't you feel yourself terribly scared (or excited) while watcing the countdown to our doom, hmm? Speaking of which, would you like to join in this countdown, hmm?

Personally I think that Nicol Bolas is, mmm, probably Soul of the Beast itself. Don't you agree with my thoughts, hmm?

Ugin would like you to elaborate on why you think he is soul of the beast. So far Ugin noticed the train is only based of he survived a shot. Ugin finds it odd how there has been no other blacksmith gun claim yet.


Didn't I answer your question in my previous post, hmm? And I said it was just my thought that Nicol Bolas is, mmm, SotB. My thoughts might differ from yours, but I'm voting Nicol Bolas myself for obvious reason. Because our, mmm, "fake Reaper" Parcher said so.

Just look at the role cards, hmm? There are several roles that can survive a night shot, and Nicol Bolas can be, mmm, any one of then.

Ugin notes how you still think its SotB, he notes how there are several other roles that can survive a gunshot



There goes the priest I were hoping would do something useful, what am I to do now?

I'm going to claim that I once again have received no feedback.

What was the reason FM Venser was targeted?

I'd like to comment on that FM Meshuvel's post #10 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24488-Day-III-Premonition?p=405026&viewfull=1#post405026) was quite useful and would recommend anyone to read it.

Ugin thinks you were not useless, he thinks if varrick got enforcer they would be on you. He does question who the priest has checked though.


Sifa is now amnesiac no?


Bus driver*

Ugin wonders what makes you think hes amnesiac. He notes how he mostly claimed it but thinks it could also be a WIFOM play. Ugin thinks amnesiac would not be that obvious.


Hmm, I don't remember seeing night protection or immunity in Jester's role card. No one would bother to protect him either, hmm.

So why you are stating that he could be Jester, hmm? Remember that Parcher claimed that he shot Nicol Bolas with blacksmith gun, hmm?

Ugin wonders why you think no one would bother to protect him. Ugin likes to see all possibilities.


I have not played any infamous games. I only know Cole is the 'protagonist' and the Beast is the 'antagonist'. Makes sense that if the character that defeats the Beast is dead before the Beast shows up, he will be harder to defeat. Now go ahead and mislynch me, will only make the game harder for militia.

Tibalt, we meet tonight at the local baseball field, dressed all in black. Knives only.

Ugin has also not played the game, he like to hear lore though.


On Ugin.

Whats up with him talking like a cave man? Reads on D3#7?


I believe the cave man talk is becaues his name is a guttural-sounding one. However the association is stretched, probably a shield against possible slips. Whether this means he is scum or just a player that always seems scummy I'm not sure. His read on Vesner's death seems plausible.



No; Elspeth stated that previous FM required combined efforts to defeat the beast. I simply want to have the best chance when it shows up.

Ugin comes over to see this, he responds in kind. I do it more for fun, it may seem odd, but I have been contributing though it.


I have been playing with the idea for a while and have decided to claim my feedback.

I was attacked and healed.

This means..

1. We have a 3kpn situation
2. I am 100% not one of the the 3 evil groups
3. Our 3rd KPN is either extreemly unlucky or...
4. Our 3rd KPN was not in play the previous night. (I think the trade off of a doc claim is worth me revealing because I think this is exactly why we have had only 2kpn)

Take this and work with it

Ugin is intrigued. He understands your reasoning for hiding it. Ugin does question some of the things you have listed becasue he thinks not all of them can be true.


Take a few steps forward on your suggestion that a vig attempted to kill me and say what reasoning you come to.

We have 3 evil killers.

Ugin looks at him and notices how the role list has 2 killing factions, one neutral killing, and several town killings. He thinks you should recheck.


Because it is very likely that Coles are the only team with a janitor.

Ugin agrees for the most part, he would think varrick would of used it by now. However he thinks they may also be hiding it for late game. Ugin like to look at all possibilities no matter how unlikely.


This specimen is clearly of an inferior intellect. Why does anyone trust him, again? Let's examine this for a second. He claims to have received a gun, which he used to shoot Nicol. Nicol is still alive. So Parcher claims he's night immune and we should lynch him. Ok... Let's look at the list of night immune roles, shall we?

Serial Killer
Spree Killer
Arsonist
Executioner
Lawyer
Soul of the Beast

Soul of the Beast isn't night immune, but it has an auto-vest, so what the hell, let's throw it in.

Since there have only been a maximum of 3 attempted kills on any given night thus far (one of which was the vigilante) that means the killing neutral that is guaranteed in the setup is most likely an arsonist, but also perhaps a very unlucky spree killer. This also greatly reduces the probability that there are multiple neutral killers (unless there are multiple arsonists, which I doubt).

Which leaves:

Arsonist
Executioner
Lawyer
Soul of the Beast

If Parcher's claim is true, those are the possible roles that Nicol could have. Two of them (lawyer and exec) do not matter to us at all. We would only be wasting our time by lynching them. The other two are high priority targets seeing as both of them become more dangerous as the game progresses. So even if we believe Parcher, our chances are 50/50 at making a good lynch by following his lead.

However, given that I don't trust Parcher one bit, I say he's lying. I believe Parcher is an executioner who is targeting Nicol. Or perhaps a Jester hoping to lead a mislynch today in order to get revenge lynched tomorrow. His plan was to claim a gunsmith gun, claim to be shooting his executioner target (or, if he's a jester: some random guy who happened to be Nicol), then when the target doesn't die (because Parcher has no gun) get everyone to lynch him because: "omg he's night immune lynch now" and win.

But as I explained above, night immune targets only have a 50/50 chance of being scum right now. So that's not even a great cause for lynch. Tsk, tsk. Parcher didn't do his homework.

Ugin agrees with this. Ugin also see other ways of doing it instead of lynch. Ugin notes we have vigilant with day shoot. He notes day shoot also percies immunities. Ugin also shows that we have a jailor.


The leader of the green shades is immune to attacks. Parcher's trustworthiness is not the goal with this train. Nicol is incredibly dark and I would take this opportunity to pressure him. Parcher's trustworthiness is a sidenote.

Ugin looked at the role cards and saw that green leader does not have night immune but detection immune. Ugin would like you to correct him if he is wrong.


I disagree with your assessment of Nicol. In post 4, I believe he was trying to influence them to pick suboptimal roles. Picking two Consiglieres or two willbenders would be really wasteful on their part. Plus, if he was actually Vermaak, he probably would've kept his ideas about their roles to himself until nightfall.

Post 6 is actually quite towny, imo. I agree with him on d1 scumhunting. It's one of the reasons I kept silent most of day one. It is mostly trolling and no one has any actual information to discuss. He then provides a good argument as to why Bertrand should be a Marshall rather than a mayor, and cautions PRs not to reveal.

in 9 he specifically he's not directing the doctor...

In 13 he's directing scum to hit other scum. This is a good thing.

The rest is accurate, I guess, but I still don't find Nicol to be very scummy, only annoying. And I doubt a scum would go out of his way to be so annoying as that's only going to make us more inclined to pay attention to him and try to find something scummy about him so we can get rid of him. It's only a viable tactic if he's a jester, and even then he's more useful than some of the more "towny" people are, so why not keep him around until he quits being useful?


On my phone right now but you guys have been rather interesting comma Ill give a more full explanation of what Ive been up to when I get on my PC period

Btw parcher lied comma I was curious how many of you would trust him comma I now have my answer period

Ugin figures you would think he would be lying. Ugin believes it more becasue there has been no second gunsmith gun claimed yet.


Why are we lynching Nicol again, is it just because he dodges questions and Parcher claimes he is night immune? As the claimed repear veteran I am not convinced of anything coming out of his text boxes atm and would encourage people to be just as sceptical over his posts.

Meshuval's first post of the day once agan has a lot of content followed by no actual conclusion and once again, no vote. He then sheeps everyone else on Nicol because of ??? reasons and didn't answer my criticism of his response.

FM Meshuval

until people can convince me that Nicol is definitely scum today aside from "Parcher said so".

Ugin agrees. Ugin would like more solid reasoning then Parcher saying it.

[FM Ugin]

Ugin looks at everyone and then looks at his book, he seems to have noticed that he wants to go back to what he was doing. It seems like he will be back later

[FM Vraska]

Hi.

I'm back and prepared to Do Things.

Let me read through the day first.

Also, You.

[FM Parcher]

"I'm sheriff, this guy's Cult"
LYNCHTRAINLYNCHTRAIN
"I had a gun, this guy's night immune and scummy"
Lolnope, we need more evidence

Fuck you guys. Point aside I don't really care, I think I'd rather see Karn pressured than Nicol right now. Karn's more likely to be Cole Macgrath

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Can we please not let lynch wait to 10 minutes before the end of the day. It was cut wayyyy too close.
Anyway, can possible amnesiac take sasha? I don't want that happening. So if anyone wants to explain how Sifa shouldn't be shot tomorrow if there aren't bus claims.

And shouldn't there be 3 jailed claims by now? Is jailor dead/kidnapper?

(sorry for not being as active as I usually am in FMs, last final is in 12 hours, then I can devote a lot more time)

[FM Nissa Revane]

"I'm sheriff, this guy's Cult"
LYNCHTRAINLYNCHTRAIN
"I had a gun, this guy's night immune and scummy, don't forget I am also scum!"
Lolnope, we need more evidence

Fuck you guys. Point aside I don't really care, I think I'd rather see Karn pressured than Nicol right now. Karn's more likely to be Cole Macgrath

Fixed.

Well, if the lynch train isn't going anywhere, I say we lynched a confirmed scum instead of no lynch. I will switch train if there is a better one.
FM Parcher

Join me my sheeps! Join!

[FM Nissa Revane]

Can we please not let lynch wait to 10 minutes before the end of the day. It was cut wayyyy too close.
Anyway, can possible amnesiac take sasha? I don't want that happening. So if anyone wants to explain how Sifa shouldn't be shot tomorrow if there aren't bus claims.

And shouldn't there be 3 jailed claims by now? Is jailor dead/kidnapper?

(sorry for not being as active as I usually am in FMs, last final is in 12 hours, then I can devote a lot more time)

I am also curious about the Amnesiac. I wonder if he took a cleaned role and it turned out to be a scum role. Sifa seems like he is hiding something a little.

[FM Nissa Revane]

What a swell day to be alive, my favourite colours are in full bloom.

Blue, green, bluegreen, yellow. I love this time of year!

Furthermore my dear associates, I can report not a single thing happened to this lass!

Teehee!

Hello Koth! This is your first post entire game. Would you like to add anything to the discussion?

[FM Ashiok]

The amnesiac cannot take the roles of Cole, Bertrand or Sasha, according to role card.

[FM Parcher]

Concert time, lynch these people while I'm away:

FM Karn
FM Nicol
FM Sandruu

thx maties

[FM Meshuvel]

Players are ranked from -10(complete scum) to +10(confirmed town)
Currently few posts penalty is -1, tomorrow it will be -3


Ajani Goldmane -3
-2 for his comment that he considered anyone that roleclaims scum
-1 for only 5 relevant posts


Ashiok -2
-2 for voting glissa and not saying anything else
-1 very few relevant posts but +1 for actually posting his reads on some people

Baltrice 0
-1 for demanding a change in topic but evading domris request for a new topic
-2 for being super defensive when people argue with her, claiming both I and dack take her words out of context, big fight at the end of day 2 where she uses being tired as an excuse for scummy sounding posts.
+1 for aggressiveness putting self center stage
+1 for posting her reads on people
+1 for a lot of relevant posts

Chandra Nalaar -1
-1 for very few relevant posts but +1 for actually posting reads on people
-1 for asking if she should vote

Dack Fayden +1
+2 proposes plan to take advantage of the fact that only town has jailor n1
-1 illogical persistence that sifa is amnesiac
+1 for posting his reads on people
-1 heavy pushing on jace being scum

Dormri Rade + 9
+10 made confirmed sheriff call
+1 for posting his reads on people
-2 illogical exuberance for town call on kiora

Elspeth Tirel -5
-5 stupid fake witch reveal
0 does not provide any worthwhile explanation for witch reveal

Garrk Wildspeaker - 4
-1 very few relevant posts
-1 posts no reads on people
-1 votes glissa and says nothing
-1 plants seeds of distrust in PRs because of cult

Jaya Ballard - Not actually playing, you gonna replace her?
Only has 2 posts from day 1

Karn -2
+1 claims no feedback
-2 only read he made was a scum call on elspeth
-1 only 2 relevant posts


Kiora Atua -2
-1 RP fluff disguised as wisdom
-1 doesnt post reads on people
+1 reports no feedback n1


Koth - replaced

Liliana Vess -3
-1 first post is an FOS where she reveals she didnt read anything from the first day
-1 illogical FOS on me (I might be a bit biased but I am at least aware that I am town)
0 only 2 reads on people
-1 very few relevant posts

Masrath -3
+1 reported role blocked
-2 claims everyone will think she is scum
-1 no relevant posts

Nicol Bolas -5
+1 posts suboptimal vermaak setup
-1 very skeptical of sher claim
-1 a lot of pushing for vote on elspeth after cult reveal
-4 refuses to defend himself


Nissa Revane -1
+1 for a couple of town reads but -1 for very few relevant posts
-1 for agreeing with a lot of people but not posting new things


Parcher -5
-2 "no lynch + no post count = afk"
+1 for posting reads on people
-1 for asking for early hammer
-3 endorsing elspeths gambit and claiming reaper
+/- 3 got smith weapon, used it on nico. The sign depends on what nico flips.

Ral Zarek -2
+1 claims no night feedback
-1 very few relevant posts
-1 no reads on people

Ravi Sengir - 2
-1 says he will give reads on people but only gives 1
-1 very few posts


Sandruu +4
+4 claims busdriven even with dead bus driver
0 not a lot of posts but posted reads

Sarkhan Vol +1
+1 submits to being part of the citizen plan
+1 claims no night feedback
+1 asks for lookout to find enforcer
-1 no reads on people
-1 very few posts

Sifa Grent -4
-3 refuses to defend himself on day 1
-1 no posted reads on people
0 adequate posts

Sorin Markov -2
-1 few posts, no reads
-1 claims town sheeping glissa, proceeds to vote glissa

Terferi - 0 posts ever, why hasnt she been replaced?

Tessebik -2
-1 says jailor confirmation easier than town making it but doesnt provide solution
0 not a lot of posts but posts reads on people
-1 puts silverlining on mass cit reveal

Terzzeret -2
-1 few posts no reads
-1 asks for early hammer


Tibalt -1
+1 quality posts
0 few but some player reads
-2 illogical post about getting attacked last night

Ugin -3
-1 posts a good vermaak setup
-2 tries to derail plan to empower jailor
+1 places reads
-1 heavy buddying with vraska


Vraska +3
+1 posts reads on people
+1 willing to vote against grain but doesnt push it
+1 quality posts
I feel like I wanted to minus vraska for something but I can't find anything in my notes for it

Xenagos -2
-1 few posts
-1 no reads

[FM Meshuvel]

Anyone remember who else claimed they were bused N1?

[FM Nicol Bolas]

So let me post while Im on my pc for this short time period Ill be heading out soon again and wont have time to really delve into today until about 6 hours from now period

First off as I said before I was surprised how many jumped onto my train with only Parchers claim that I am immune period Its funny that those that jumped on the train only focused on night immune roles from the role cards and omitted all other situations that would render me immune like being jailed or having been healed or bus driven or had a vest or the super obvious Parcher didnt shoot me at all period

First lets consider the medic colon to those saying the medic would be stupid if he healed me comma what makes you say that question mark The medic may have seen a quality in me that you have not and with Parcher comma self proclaimed scum comma being so obvious as to say he would shoot me comma why not prevent my death until my value is shown to the town period

Jailed colon Having been against Sashas lynch yesterday as well as being scummy in the eyes of many comma is it that hard to assume that a jailor would want to speak with me question mark

Kidnapped colon We all assume that Vermaak took a kidnapper comma yet no one thinks that he would want to speak with me as to find out my alignment period

Armorsmith vest colon although many have said I looked scummy day 1 comma some have agreed with my views as well as said that my suggestion to the Vermaak roles was sub optimal comma which is was in many subtle ways colon I omitted the fact that someone had to do the kill thus having an enforcers passive ability to prevent his team from cult is a great bonus comma I also omitted that the consort is tracking immune comma something that many people would not have even read period The Disguiser was another role that would have been decent to increase another clean as well as being the main person to be sent to kill in future nights period So if the armorsmith is someone who picked up on all these subtleties and identified me as an analyzer comma it is not hard to see that he could have sent me a vest ngiht 1 period

Bus driven colon why did the vig shoot the priest question mark Who said that the dead bus driver was the only bus driver question mark Just put two and two together period

Parcher lying colon Do any of you really think his word is worth anything question mark I mean really unless the gunsmith is completely incompetent comma he would never give a gun to him period Also he claims that he added me to his ignore list comma what town do you know ignores information regardless of how annoying it is to read question mark

Then we have our Sheriff who knows nothing about scum hunting and doesnt know that his night time ability does not work during the day comma I mean really comma asking someone in the bright of day if he is scum will not grant a reliable answer comma that only happens at night when his role ability actually works ninety percent of the time period Thus answering his stupid question is a waste of time period

Buried in this post you may find why I type this way colon Scum arent trying to scumhunt as much and probably wont bother to read big posts that give headaches but town will regardless so anyone that I see skipping my posts loose credibility in my eyes which leads back to Parcher who said he is even ignoring me period As scummy as he looks to me comma I have a feeling he is a neutral or a citizen that doesnt care about the game and his words dont hold much weight comma the fact that he is pulling all the attention to the fact that he quote shot quote me doesnt make sense for a real scum period

Meshuvels big post colon I like it comma it looks very much like my notes from past fms period He doesnt need to explain what he thinks of people comma it doesnt matter that his post is neutral toned comma make your own conclusions from his summary period I find it very helpful when on my phone without access to my own notes period And I am against giving out all my scum reads early on anyways so anyone saying that his list is garbage without his opinion can shutup period
Edit I see he just posted his reads while I made this post period period period Damn you exclamation point

Dack Fayden colon I was very surprised at his speed of jumping onto the train without posing obvious questions comma I will be reexamining my perception of him period

Im off to work now and will be back in 5 or 6 hours until then you can argue with each other period

[FM Sandruu]

I have kinda lost my FoS on Parcher.

What he has been doing is very uncharacteristic of scum, he blantently lies too much...and out in the open. Until scum is purposly trying to get a lynch on him, he mmust be a cit. Otherwise I say Parcher is a jester.

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

Sarkhan Vol
-1 no reads on people
-1 very few posts


I only post when I feel it is relevant or that I have the need to contribute. Posting without anything real may be considered a "junk post".

My posts are short and straight to the point, not wall of text that some might just decide to ignore or a re-post of what another have already mentioned. I should have been more pushing on the plan of the Lookout for detection of Enforcer.

For the reads, it could have been asked. Instead of a huge wall of text, I'm instead going to place this :

Meshuvel, Ugin, Nissa Revane, Ashiok, Dack Fayden, Domri Rade.

Interpret as you wish. Mesh has been quite useful with the posts with reads about everyone. Ugin is kind of bizarre about his RP, but a few subtle hints of being a Militia that care to read. Nissa has been useful too at some posts. Ashiok pretty much scum slipped from a fourth person perspective. Dack Fayden & Domri Rade, I'll let you figure out why they're Orange.

[FM Vraska]

I am all about it. But it will be in the second half of D3. Today is not good for me.

Sounds good.

(In the meanwhile, I'll keep this Baltrice analysis in my pants)


Yeah he should be dead if Jester. Nissa, which conduit faction are you?

Hey. Hey, Parcher.

What changed from this:


Nissa is aligned with Cole's Conduits

...To now, where you ask that question?

Explain your mindset while doing this. It feels ~strange to me.



I see I have made your list. What is it about me that you find objectionable?

Blech.

Don't.

Like.

That.

Response.

I'll respond to this after Tibalt exchanges analysis with me, but man. That self-awareness.

[FM Meshuvel]

So let me post while Im on my pc for this short time period Ill be heading out soon again and wont have time to really delve into today until about 6 hours from now period

First off as I said before I was surprised how many jumped onto my train with only Parchers claim that I am immune period Its funny that those that jumped on the train only focused on night immune roles from the role cards and omitted all other situations that would render me immune like being jailed or having been healed or bus driven or had a vest or the super obvious Parcher didnt shoot me at all period

First lets consider the medic colon to those saying the medic would be stupid if he healed me comma what makes you say that question mark The medic may have seen a quality in me that you have not and with Parcher comma self proclaimed scum comma being so obvious as to say he would shoot me comma why not prevent my death until my value is shown to the town period

Jailed colon Having been against Sashas lynch yesterday as well as being scummy in the eyes of many comma is it that hard to assume that a jailor would want to speak with me question mark

Kidnapped colon We all assume that Vermaak took a kidnapper comma yet no one thinks that he would want to speak with me as to find out my alignment period

Armorsmith vest colon although many have said I looked scummy day 1 comma some have agreed with my views as well as said that my suggestion to the Vermaak roles was sub optimal comma which is was in many subtle ways colon I omitted the fact that someone had to do the kill thus having an enforcers passive ability to prevent his team from cult is a great bonus comma I also omitted that the consort is tracking immune comma something that many people would not have even read period The Disguiser was another role that would have been decent to increase another clean as well as being the main person to be sent to kill in future nights period So if the armorsmith is someone who picked up on all these subtleties and identified me as an analyzer comma it is not hard to see that he could have sent me a vest ngiht 1 period

Bus driven colon why did the vig shoot the priest question mark Who said that the dead bus driver was the only bus driver question mark Just put two and two together period

Parcher lying colon Do any of you really think his word is worth anything question mark I mean really unless the gunsmith is completely incompetent comma he would never give a gun to him period Also he claims that he added me to his ignore list comma what town do you know ignores information regardless of how annoying it is to read question mark

Then we have our Sheriff who knows nothing about scum hunting and doesnt know that his night time ability does not work during the day comma I mean really comma asking someone in the bright of day if he is scum will not grant a reliable answer comma that only happens at night when his role ability actually works ninety percent of the time period Thus answering his stupid question is a waste of time period

Buried in this post you may find why I type this way colon Scum arent trying to scumhunt as much and probably wont bother to read big posts that give headaches but town will regardless so anyone that I see skipping my posts loose credibility in my eyes which leads back to Parcher who said he is even ignoring me period As scummy as he looks to me comma I have a feeling he is a neutral or a citizen that doesnt care about the game and his words dont hold much weight comma the fact that he is pulling all the attention to the fact that he quote shot quote me doesnt make sense for a real scum period

Meshuvels big post colon I like it comma it looks very much like my notes from past fms period He doesnt need to explain what he thinks of people comma it doesnt matter that his post is neutral toned comma make your own conclusions from his summary period I find it very helpful when on my phone without access to my own notes period And I am against giving out all my scum reads early on anyways so anyone saying that his list is garbage without his opinion can shutup period
Edit I see he just posted his reads while I made this post period period period Damn you exclamation point

Dack Fayden colon I was very surprised at his speed of jumping onto the train without posing obvious questions comma I will be reexamining my perception of him period

Im off to work now and will be back in 5 or 6 hours until then you can argue with each other period

I just wanted you to defend yourself, and based on the defense against you, I consider that defense adequate... For now.

FM Garrk Wildspeaker I feel he is lurking scum and I at the very least want him to make a list of reads.

[FM Vraska]

Hmm. I like Ravi's other posts, but man that self-awareness is so scummy.

You can call this a fencesit for now, but I want to hear Tibalt talk about Ravi. He's one of my most bifurcated reads, with multiple town! and scum! tells.


I... am back. I find that the beast is 400 miles away and I go to cry in my room. This is a crowning achievement. I've never cried before.

Yeah, this guys is still scum, no matter what way you look at it.

FM Ajani Goldmane

He checks in, makes an inane post about the Beast, then leaves?

Lynch it.

Surprised everyone forgot about him.


Nothing happened again last night, unsurprisingly. I am not able to post a lot due to finals.

Meanwhile, FM Vraska, please answer this:

As you have FoS'd Parcher a lot since day 1, what role do you think he is?
As you have asked a lot of questions, have you been able to find any noteworthy scumslips from their responses?
Who is your main suspect and why?

Before I answer these questions, please give me your working definition of a "scumslip".

Because.

When I read this, I feel like you're not getting the purpose of my questions.


What a swell day to be alive, my favourite colours are in full bloom.

Blue, green, bluegreen, yellow. I love this time of year!

Furthermore my dear associates, I can report not a single thing happened to this lass!

Teehee!

Uh.

Can someone tell me a town Koth world where he checks in and posts nothing of substance, then leaves?

I think town Koth would at least leave us with something.

But man. Leaving a filler post then leaving.


Ugin finds that unsettling, he would like you to elaborate on why "you think" it is your first priority.



It's just a stylistic choice?

I tack on "I think" when I type all the time, sub-consciously.

Do you want additional clarification?

[FM Vraska]

I'm here for the next half hour or so.

If anyone wants anything from me, speak up.

[FM Baltrice]

Im doing a read on The person you voted there Vraska. Hold on.

[FM Vraska]

Show your work, see if we share thought processes in common - see my case. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24330-Day-II-Fires-of-War?p=403723&viewfull=1#post403723)

[FM Vraska]

Fixed.

Well, if the lynch train isn't going anywhere, I say we lynched a confirmed scum instead of no lynch. I will switch train if there is a better one.
FM Parcher

Join me my sheeps! Join!

...

What's this OMGUS/smear for?

[FM Vraska]

Ashiok pretty much scum slipped from a fourth person perspective.

If you think Ashiok "scum slipped", then why aren't you voting for him?

[FM Ravi Sengir]

"I'm sheriff, this guy's Cult"
LYNCHTRAINLYNCHTRAIN
"I had a gun, this guy's night immune and scummy"
Lolnope, we need more evidence

Fuck you guys. Point aside I don't really care, I think I'd rather see Karn pressured than Nicol right now. Karn's more likely to be Cole Macgrath

The difference is that Doomri claimed his role (sheriff) and claimed a result (Glissa=scum). By lynching Glissa we were able to confirm that Doomri is indeed a sheriff and the Glissa was, in fact scum. In your case, all lynching Nicol would confirm is whether you did/did not have a gun and whether he is/is not night immune. We still don't learn your role or even your alignment. And as I mentioned before, even if he is night immune, there's a 40% chance he's a non-threat. And if he isn't night immune, but survived via any other method of healing/immunity, then he might very well be town. Lynching him simply won't give us much of a benefit right now.


Hmm. I like Ravi's other posts, but man that self-awareness is so scummy.

Can you explain what you mean by "self-awareness" and why you find it scummy? Aren't all humans and vampires self aware? Isn't that what separates us from the werewolves and other animals?

[FM Baltrice]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402302#post402302

This is post in introductory filler. From what I am reading of this he is stating that Nazis, Cole Conduits, and Bio-terrorists, Vameerk, need to be targeted, focused. Chemical Weapon stuff I believe refers to Sasha and the SoTB. This post doesn't seem to be made in a town view point and considering that we have a Sasha down to only viable option left is SoTB. In this post he tries to direct conversation away from those roles.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402632#post402632

Now considering that both SoTB and Sasha are on their own Day One it isn't unreasonable to believe that their posts wouldn't have slips that Cole and Vameerks would, knowing their team and all. That leaves scummy looking posts and words as the only source of finding them. Since his stance is to not consider scummy looking posts as scum tells it furthers the idea that he is either Sasha or SoTB, with a Sasha dead it leaves SoTB left over.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402634#post402634


Now this is a filler post. Here he contradicts his eariler statement, saying not to consider trolly scummy posts as scum tells, by stating that he is not a fan of the multiple trolly posts that have happened. He also fluffs the statement with a Stop Lurking/Trolling warning. Then he backs off his earlier statements by asking for public opinion on troll posts and he asks for how people scum hunt, in not so many words of course.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402636#post402636

Another contradiction in both the post and in his words before. He opens by saying dont mark scum based on posts but states that later we can do that. Just not now. This seems to be a stalling tactic while also fluffing for post counts by answering his own questions and blatantly repeating what he has already said.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402865#post402865

And here is the Day one slip to my eyes. He openly admits that he is skimming the day and not taking the time to read everything. This relates to a lack of interest in scumhunting and the day chat. Which relates to being scum considering they are not as hard pressed to scum hunt as we are. The rest of his post here is saying that we shouldn't role claim and some filler immediately afterwards.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402869#post402869

Here is what I consider a slip as well when he posts a single line asking how to find the SoTB, which he never follows up on. This is not a Town Tell to me considering that first there was no previous conversation on SoTB and he doesn't continue trying to talk about the role.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24488-Day-III-Premonition?p=405177#post405177

He passes day two by without a post and shows up once today with a post filler about the SoTB. Firstly there is a huge amount of stuff to talk about today and he honed in on SoTB and nothing else. He also has not posted again which is suspicious as well.


FM Ajani Goldmane


In this post by post analysis it stands to reason that Ajani is SoTB.

[FM Vraska]

[QUOTE=FM Ravi Sengir;405242
Can you explain what you mean by "self-awareness" and why you find it scummy? Aren't all humans and vampires self aware? Isn't that what separates us from the werewolves and other animals?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

Self-awareness shows that you care about your image, rather than finding scum. Mafia are not overly concerned with finding scum, but they are concerned about being lynched.

[FM Vraska]

Let's get this Ajani wagon moving.

Ravi, how do you feel about Ajani Goldmane?

[FM Dack Fayden]

Idea. FM Parcher's shot was redirected by the WITCH from Nicol Bolas to Tibalt. Witching leaves no notifications.

I implore all gun receivers not to claim their gun so the witch can't control them.

[FM Vraska]

Leaving this thread, checking it in the morning.

I would still like responses to my questions, though!

[FM Nissa Revane]

Idea. FM Parcher's shot was redirected by the WITCH from Nicol Bolas to Tibalt. Witching leaves no notifications.

I implore all gun receivers not to claim their gun so the witch can't control them.

Interesting theory, quite possible.


Let's get this Ajani wagon moving.

Ravi, how do you feel about Ajani Goldmane?

I think Ajani is probably a neutral of some sort. I dont think he is town, but I dont think he is scum either.

[FM Vraska]

And the fencesit on Ajani. WOW.

What posts give you the impression of "not town not scum"?

Also respond to your stupid smear.

[FM Parcher]

I never shot Nicol, I did not have a gun last night

[FM Parcher]

I wasn't gonna reveal that cause I really wanted him lynched for being annoying, but previewing his last post, he puts so much effort into being annoying that it's not worth the effort and I'd rather leave him on ignore

[FM Vraska]

Walk me through your mindset on attempting that gambit.

Risks/Rewards etc.

Getting a townier read on Parcher; scum would have little reason to be that ballsy.

[FM Parcher]

Walk me through your mindset on attempting that gambit.

Risks/Rewards etc.

Getting a townier read on Parcher; scum would have little reason to be that ballsy.

Rewards:
-Getting him lynched is a better way to ignore him than the ignore list

Risks:
-who the fuck cares

[FM Parcher]

Legit scum read though: FM Karn

Seriously guys, don't just ignore that. I even gave post analysis reasoning on him

[FM Vraska]

This game is all about "who is more scummier: PLAYER A OR PLAYER B?"

And then they have a whole bunch of posts that are off the charts scummy.

/grumble

[FM Parcher]

This game is all about "who is more scummier: PLAYER A OR PLAYER B?"

And then they have a whole bunch of posts that are off the charts scummy.

/grumble

This game is actually Sheep the Sheriff, but the Sheriff's being useless today so we actually have to...scumhunt

[FM Dack Fayden]

Hmmm. I still think Nico Bolas is scum even though Parcher retracts shooting him last night.

[FM Parcher]

Parcher -5
-2 "no lynch + no post count = afk"
+1 for posting reads on people
-1 for asking for early hammer
-3 endorsing elspeths gambit and claiming reaper
+/- 3 got smith weapon, used it on nico. The sign depends on what nico flips.

Meshuval Credibility meter: -9.95
+1 Being American
+.05 Making lists
-11 Using shit scaling
+0 Being generally pro-town

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Yes.

Self-awareness shows that you care about your image, rather than finding scum. Mafia are not overly concerned with finding scum, but they are concerned about being lynched.

I see. I could see how you would think I asked out of concern, but in truth it was more out of curiosity. Just as with the self-awareness question.


Let's get this Ajani wagon moving.

Ravi, how do you feel about Ajani Goldmane?

I haven't thought much about him. I'll read him more and get back to you.

[FM Ugin]

Ugin seems to have gotten up, he walks over. He seems to be done with what he was doing. He draws a sheep. Ugin seems to also be tired. He will try to stay up but is unsure how long.

[FM Ugin]

Fixed.

Well, if the lynch train isn't going anywhere, I say we lynched a confirmed scum instead of no lynch. I will switch train if there is a better one.
FM Parcher

Join me my sheeps! Join!

Ugin questions your reason for wanting sheep train.



Ugin -3
-1 posts a good vermaak setup
-2 tries to derail plan to empower jailor
+1 places reads
-1 heavy buddying with vraska



Ugin giggles at your reasoning. He noticed also in most of your reads a lot of people are negative. Ugin also questions a lot of the reasons for each one.


Anyone remember who else claimed they were bused N1?

Ugin looks at you with a stupid look. He reminds you he was the one. Ugin thinks you are not paying attention to his information.


So let me post while Im on my pc for this short time period Ill be heading out soon again and wont have time to really delve into today until about 6 hours from now period

First off as I said before I was surprised how many jumped onto my train with only Parchers claim that I am immune period Its funny that those that jumped on the train only focused on night immune roles from the role cards and omitted all other situations that would render me immune like being jailed or having been healed or bus driven or had a vest or the super obvious Parcher didnt shoot me at all period

First lets consider the medic colon to those saying the medic would be stupid if he healed me comma what makes you say that question mark The medic may have seen a quality in me that you have not and with Parcher comma self proclaimed scum comma being so obvious as to say he would shoot me comma why not prevent my death until my value is shown to the town period

Jailed colon Having been against Sashas lynch yesterday as well as being scummy in the eyes of many comma is it that hard to assume that a jailor would want to speak with me question mark

Kidnapped colon We all assume that Vermaak took a kidnapper comma yet no one thinks that he would want to speak with me as to find out my alignment period

Armorsmith vest colon although many have said I looked scummy day 1 comma some have agreed with my views as well as said that my suggestion to the Vermaak roles was sub optimal comma which is was in many subtle ways colon I omitted the fact that someone had to do the kill thus having an enforcers passive ability to prevent his team from cult is a great bonus comma I also omitted that the consort is tracking immune comma something that many people would not have even read period The Disguiser was another role that would have been decent to increase another clean as well as being the main person to be sent to kill in future nights period So if the armorsmith is someone who picked up on all these subtleties and identified me as an analyzer comma it is not hard to see that he could have sent me a vest ngiht 1 period

Bus driven colon why did the vig shoot the priest question mark Who said that the dead bus driver was the only bus driver question mark Just put two and two together period

Parcher lying colon Do any of you really think his word is worth anything question mark I mean really unless the gunsmith is completely incompetent comma he would never give a gun to him period Also he claims that he added me to his ignore list comma what town do you know ignores information regardless of how annoying it is to read question mark

Then we have our Sheriff who knows nothing about scum hunting and doesnt know that his night time ability does not work during the day comma I mean really comma asking someone in the bright of day if he is scum will not grant a reliable answer comma that only happens at night when his role ability actually works ninety percent of the time period Thus answering his stupid question is a waste of time period

Buried in this post you may find why I type this way colon Scum arent trying to scumhunt as much and probably wont bother to read big posts that give headaches but town will regardless so anyone that I see skipping my posts loose credibility in my eyes which leads back to Parcher who said he is even ignoring me period As scummy as he looks to me comma I have a feeling he is a neutral or a citizen that doesnt care about the game and his words dont hold much weight comma the fact that he is pulling all the attention to the fact that he quote shot quote me doesnt make sense for a real scum period

Meshuvels big post colon I like it comma it looks very much like my notes from past fms period He doesnt need to explain what he thinks of people comma it doesnt matter that his post is neutral toned comma make your own conclusions from his summary period I find it very helpful when on my phone without access to my own notes period And I am against giving out all my scum reads early on anyways so anyone saying that his list is garbage without his opinion can shutup period
Edit I see he just posted his reads while I made this post period period period Damn you exclamation point

Dack Fayden colon I was very surprised at his speed of jumping onto the train without posing obvious questions comma I will be reexamining my perception of him period

Im off to work now and will be back in 5 or 6 hours until then you can argue with each other period

Ugin read the giant wall of text. He reads it again and then nods, he scribbles something down and then walks off.



I only post when I feel it is relevant or that I have the need to contribute. Posting without anything real may be considered a "junk post".

My posts are short and straight to the point, not wall of text that some might just decide to ignore or a re-post of what another have already mentioned. I should have been more pushing on the plan of the Lookout for detection of Enforcer.

For the reads, it could have been asked. Instead of a huge wall of text, I'm instead going to place this :

Meshuvel, Ugin, Nissa Revane, Ashiok, Dack Fayden, Domri Rade.

Interpret as you wish. Mesh has been quite useful with the posts with reads about everyone. Ugin is kind of bizarre about his RP, but a few subtle hints of being a Militia that care to read. Nissa has been useful too at some posts. Ashiok pretty much scum slipped from a fourth person perspective. Dack Fayden & Domri Rade, I'll let you figure out why they're Orange.

Ugin likes people who are straight to the point. He finds it can be better then big walls of words at times. He notes how you mention his rp and reasoning. He wirtes down something. He seems hidden reasons for doing it. He smiles and walks off.


Hmm. I like Ravi's other posts, but man that self-awareness is so scummy.

You can call this a fencesit for now, but I want to hear Tibalt talk about Ravi. He's one of my most bifurcated reads, with multiple town! and scum! tells.



Yeah, this guys is still scum, no matter what way you look at it.

FM Ajani Goldmane

He checks in, makes an inane post about the Beast, then leaves?

Lynch it.

Surprised everyone forgot about him.



Before I answer these questions, please give me your working definition of a "scumslip".

Because.

When I read this, I feel like you're not getting the purpose of my questions.



Uh.

Can someone tell me a town Koth world where he checks in and posts nothing of substance, then leaves?

I think town Koth would at least leave us with something.

But man. Leaving a filler post then leaving.



It's just a stylistic choice?

I tack on "I think" when I type all the time, sub-consciously.

Do you want additional clarification?

Ugin thinks for a moment, gets up and nods. He seems to have a better understanding.


Im doing a read on The person you voted there Vraska. Hold on.


Show your work, see if we share thought processes in common - see my case. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24330-Day-II-Fires-of-War?p=403723&viewfull=1#post403723)

Ugin notes down the interaction.


http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402302#post402302

This is post in introductory filler. From what I am reading of this he is stating that Nazis, Cole Conduits, and Bio-terrorists, Vameerk, need to be targeted, focused. Chemical Weapon stuff I believe refers to Sasha and the SoTB. This post doesn't seem to be made in a town view point and considering that we have a Sasha down to only viable option left is SoTB. In this post he tries to direct conversation away from those roles.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402632#post402632

Now considering that both SoTB and Sasha are on their own Day One it isn't unreasonable to believe that their posts wouldn't have slips that Cole and Vameerks would, knowing their team and all. That leaves scummy looking posts and words as the only source of finding them. Since his stance is to not consider scummy looking posts as scum tells it furthers the idea that he is either Sasha or SoTB, with a Sasha dead it leaves SoTB left over.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402634#post402634


Now this is a filler post. Here he contradicts his eariler statement, saying not to consider trolly scummy posts as scum tells, by stating that he is not a fan of the multiple trolly posts that have happened. He also fluffs the statement with a Stop Lurking/Trolling warning. Then he backs off his earlier statements by asking for public opinion on troll posts and he asks for how people scum hunt, in not so many words of course.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402636#post402636

Another contradiction in both the post and in his words before. He opens by saying dont mark scum based on posts but states that later we can do that. Just not now. This seems to be a stalling tactic while also fluffing for post counts by answering his own questions and blatantly repeating what he has already said.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402865#post402865

And here is the Day one slip to my eyes. He openly admits that he is skimming the day and not taking the time to read everything. This relates to a lack of interest in scumhunting and the day chat. Which relates to being scum considering they are not as hard pressed to scum hunt as we are. The rest of his post here is saying that we shouldn't role claim and some filler immediately afterwards.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402869#post402869

Here is what I consider a slip as well when he posts a single line asking how to find the SoTB, which he never follows up on. This is not a Town Tell to me considering that first there was no previous conversation on SoTB and he doesn't continue trying to talk about the role.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24488-Day-III-Premonition?p=405177#post405177

He passes day two by without a post and shows up once today with a post filler about the SoTB. Firstly there is a huge amount of stuff to talk about today and he honed in on SoTB and nothing else. He also has not posted again which is suspicious as well.


FM Ajani Goldmane


In this post by post analysis it stands to reason that Ajani is SoTB.

Ugin looks over the posts and reads them. He thinks some of it seems to be rehash but also has original contents.


Let's get this Ajani wagon moving.

Ravi, how do you feel about Ajani Goldmane?

Ugin will most likely join on the train. He seems perplexed though. He glances over to Elspeth Tirel who claimed witch. He is still weary of her and would like to hear your input on the witch then claimed citizen.


Idea. FM Parcher's shot was redirected by the WITCH from Nicol Bolas to Tibalt. Witching leaves no notifications.

I implore all gun receivers not to claim their gun so the witch can't control them.

Ugin again notes how there has not been a second gun claim yet. He does agree if there is one it should not be claimed.


Interesting theory, quite possible.



I think Ajani is probably a neutral of some sort. I dont think he is town, but I dont think he is scum either.

Ugin wants you to elaborate on that. He wonders what neutral do you think he is if hes not town nor scum.


I never shot Nicol, I did not have a gun last night


I wasn't gonna reveal that cause I really wanted him lynched for being annoying, but previewing his last post, he puts so much effort into being annoying that it's not worth the effort and I'd rather leave him on ignore

Ugin finds your reasoning to do it is bad. But finds that your reasoning for retracting it is good enough for now.


Rewards:
-Getting him lynched is a better way to ignore him than the ignore list

Risks:
-who the fuck cares

Ugin questions the risk part. He thinks you care if you were to pull it.


This game is all about "who is more scummier: PLAYER A OR PLAYER B?"

And then they have a whole bunch of posts that are off the charts scummy.

/grumble


This game is actually Sheep the Sheriff, but the Sheriff's being useless today so we actually have to...scumhunt

Ugin finds it disturbing that you think the game is sheep the sheriff. He seems to agree that yesterday was a "sheep PR" day, but Ugin thinks you can also scum hunt even while sheeping sheriff.


Hmmm. I still think Nico Bolas is scum even though Parcher retracts shooting him last night.

Ugin wants you to elaborate on that. He wants to know your reasoning.


Meshuval Credibility meter: -9.95
+1 Being American
+.05 Making lists
-11 Using shit scaling
+0 Being generally pro-town

Ugin giggles and draws a +1 and hands it to you.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, why there are so many spreaded out votes? Can't you make a proper decision yet, hmm?

[FM Ashiok]

I wasn't gonna reveal that cause I really wanted him lynched for being annoying, but previewing his last post, he puts so much effort into being annoying that it's not worth the effort and I'd rather leave him on ignore

That is twice you have lied to try to lynch someone. Why should you be left alive?


I see. I could see how you would think I asked out of concern, but in truth it was more out of curiosity. Just as with the self-awareness question.



I haven't thought much about him. I'll read him more and get back to you.

If you are actually reading all posts, how could you not have an opinion on Ajani? He has stood out like a sore thumb. He has at most 5 posts, still waiting for you to 'get back to us'.

And I've already posted how I feel about spending time wondering what other people think of you, whether out of concern or curiosity does not matter.

[FM Ashiok]

Hmm, why there are so many spreaded out votes? Can't you make a proper decision yet, hmm?

Why are you so concerned about lynching someone if you are amnesiac?

Your vote is still on Nicol, do you still think he is scum? Or are you waiting for another train to sheep so it's less likely someone will notice you throwing your vote around?

[FM Parcher]

That is twice you have lied to try to lynch someone. Why should you be left alive?

I lower my head in shame and secondhand embarrassment for all those who think liars = scum

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, looking at possible immune roles that Nicol Bolas could be, I believe that at best we'll lynch either soul of the beast or killing neutral, so I'll probably keep my vote to where it is. Unless you want to lynch Mafia, hmm?

[FM Ashiok]

I lower my head in shame and secondhand embarrassment for all those who think liars = scum

I do not believe lying = scum. I KNOW that many games have been lost lately because jackass towns fake a feedback to get someone lynched then become number one scum suspect.


Hmm, looking at possible immune roles that Nicol Bolas could be, I believe that at best we'll lynch either soul of the beast or killing neutral, so I'll probably keep my vote to where it is. Unless you want to lynch Mafia, hmm?

Parcher has already admitted that he lied about attacking Nicol.

FM Sifa Grent

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I rather missed that out.

[unvote][unvote]

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, my unvote tags are not working properly. I'll try that again, hmm?

FM Nicol Bolas

[FM Ashiok]

It is D3 now, do you still claim amn? If so, what should we expect from you?

Deviation from expected, agreed upon behavior will be grounds for immediate lynch/dayshoot, so speak carefully.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, explain yourself properly first where I specifically called myself an amnesiac. Who called me an amnesiac in the first place, hmm?

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

Sorry, I'm back once again and I'm going to look over the day posts.

[FM Ashiok]

Hmm, explain yourself properly first where I specifically called myself an amnesiac. Who called me an amnesiac in the first place, hmm?

Dack was the first to say it:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402912&highlight=amnesiac#post402912

In response to this post by you:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402906&viewfull=1#post402906



Sorry, I'm back once again and I'm going to look over the day posts.

So when you posted the same thing earlier today, you were just letting us know you were alive? What a relief, we were worried.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, all I can say is that Dack simply endulged humself in wishful thinking and made everyone else think that I am amnesiac. Because he saw the word "amnesia", which was, hmm, not actually refereing to my role. He did not get the meaning of my post itself. That time, I was trying to tell you, hmm, that Elspeth is either making a gambit or pulling a WIFOM, so she should be, hmm... simply ignored.

Are you satisfied with my answer, hmm?

[FM Ashiok]

Who do you think we should be focusing on? Give me a read on someone of your choice, preferably someone that hasn't been analyzed by other players.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm... Nope, sorry, can't bother with it right now. Too much thinking for me. Everyone is pulling gambits left and right, so I can't tell right now who is lying and who is speaking the truth. Maybe later next time, hmm?

Oh, and don't expect anyone bussing you either. Unless we, hmm, really have an amnesiac who can take Bus Driver's role.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Flipping on Nicol Bolas, there's a reason why he did the comma sht.

Baltrice is my number 1 town at the moment, so I'm going to put more weight so we have a duo train.

FM Ajani Goldmane

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

So when you posted the same thing earlier today, you were just letting us know you were alive? What a relief, we were worried.

No, I was letting you know that I was in the hospital with a broken leg cause I slipped on an icy hill. I've been reading in the hospital and I just got out, and I'm reading it over again. A problem?

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

Flipping on Nicol Bolas, there's a reason why he did the comma sht.

Baltrice is my number 1 town at the moment, so I'm going to put more weight so we have a duo train.

FM Ajani Goldmane

How bout you fucking stop making stupid posts, commenting on other posts, criticizing others, voting along with a train, and giving a shitty opinion. I don't know what we're basing our lynches on. Because they sound scummy? What's the definition of scummy in this setup? Everybody kills each other.

[FM Ashiok]

Hmm... Nope, sorry, can't bother with it right now. Too much thinking for me. Everyone is pulling gambits left and right, so I can't tell right now who is lying and who is speaking the truth. Maybe later next time, hmm?

Oh, and don't expect anyone bussing you either. Unless we, hmm, really have an amnesiac who can take Bus Driver's role.

I asked for a read not facts. If you don't have reads on anyone yet, you are not paying attention. You also didn't pay attention to Parcher's post. The only thing you seemed to care about was the reapers. So my vote will stay, until you stop acting like a conduit.

[FM Ashiok]

No, I was letting you know that I was in the hospital with a broken leg cause I slipped on an icy hill. I've been reading in the hospital and I just got out, and I'm reading it over again. A problem?

Except you didn't let us know that, you just said that you were back, and that you were crying like a bitch.

[FM Sifa Grent]

I asked for a read not facts. If you don't have reads on anyone yet, you are not paying attention. You also didn't pay attention to Parcher's post. The only thing you seemed to care about was the reapers. So my vote will stay, until you stop acting like a conduit.

Hmm, why I do always have to pay attention for everything? Unlike you lot I, hmm, simply like to have some fun and have a nice good chat with everyone. And there is always, hmm, someone who can post better reads than me.

But if you really want some reads from me... hmm... I guess Tezzeret really is something fishy. He called me amnesiac-turned-busdriver out of the blue. I'll have to agree with Ajani's latest post on that, hmm.

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

Except you didn't let us know that, you just said that you were back, and that you were crying like a bitch.

Then how about you get interested and ask instead of blurting out comments that you're not even sure about.

[FM Karn]

Parcher your reasoning does not contain any significance, I voted Elspeth because I do not see any merit in a citizen faking witch.

In any case, I am town

[FM Ashiok]

Because day chat is Militia's greatest asset, and to ignore posts is criminal. If you want to chat, let's chat about the game. If you want to chat about other things, ask for a replacement and go to chatbox.

[FM Ashiok]

Then how about you get interested and ask instead of blurting out comments that you're not even sure about.

Because I don't give a fuck about your real life situation. It's too bad you didn't puncture your femoral artery and bleed to death, then you would be modkilled instead of shitposting.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Because day chat is Militia's greatest asset, and to ignore posts is criminal. If you want to chat, let's chat about the game. If you want to chat about other things, ask for a replacement and go to chatbox.

Hmm, I do chat exactly about this game. But you know, hmm, even some of my laid-back posts have a good meaning too. When I said, hmm, that Meschuvel should be the new President of the USA, I specifically, hmm, pointed out to you that he is a good candidate for town leader. When your mind is cleared of idle thoughts, you can actually make very good statements related to our game sometimes.

[FM Ashiok]

Hmm, I do chat exactly about this game. But you know, hmm, even some of my laid-back posts have a good meaning too. When I said, hmm, that Meschuvel should be the new President of the USA, I specifically, hmm, pointed out to you that he is a good candidate for town leader. When your mind is cleared of idle thoughts, you can actually make very good statements related to our game sometimes.

This is the second time he has mentioned clearing/freeing the mind from idle thoughts. Noted.

[FM Ral Zarek]

i don't really know who to vote. i think i'm going with FM Nicol Bolas because his post style is really annoying and not townish

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Hmm, why I do always have to pay attention for everything? Unlike you lot I, hmm, simply like to have some fun and have a nice good chat with everyone. And there is always, hmm, someone who can post better reads than me.

But if you really want some reads from me... hmm... I guess Tezzeret really is something fishy. He called me amnesiac-turned-busdriver out of the blue. I'll have to agree with Ajani's latest post on that, hmm.

i was going along with your amnesiac 'claim' which i guess you didn't really do. Why didn't you deny it as soon as it was out?


i don't really know who to vote. i think i'm going with FM Nicol Bolas because his post style is really annoying and not townish

if you reread nicol's big piece, he gives a reason on his post style, and it makes sense. what do you think about it

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24488-Day-III-Premonition?p=405228&viewfull=1#post405228
this one

[FM Ral Zarek]

yeah well it's a plausible reasoning but actually it doesn't work because i skipped his posts too and am town though.

imo the most likely reasons for the immunity is parcher lies followed by nicol jailed

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

this FM is certainly not as talkative as other ones =P

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Alright comma I am home again finally and will be looking into this fm with more focus period Laughing silently at Ral Zarek for needing someone to point out the part in my post where I said scum would most likely not read my posts period

Id like to throw this out there just in case none of you noticed colon I did not confirm nor deny that I was shot last night period I just said that it was not Parcher that shot me period

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

unfortunately i am still alive

gotta kill the confirmed scum though guys

FM Karn

BOOM BOOM POW

[FM Nicol Bolas]

confirmed scum

What makes you say that he is confirmed question mark

[FM Sandruu]

unfortunately i am still alive

gotta kill the confirmed scum though guys

FM Karn

BOOM BOOM POW

Did you learn something at night that you need to share with us?

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

What makes you say that he is confirmed question mark

no i said that he was confirmed scum not a question mark

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

Did you learn something at night that you need to share with us?

yes i was out for a nice citizenly stroll and then i saw him peering out his window looking scummy

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

no i said that he was confirmed scum not a question mark

in retrospect i didn't mean that Karn is confirmed scum (sheriff slip?? :O) just that if we find an confirmed scum we should kill them, and that we should also kill Karn because I say so

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

i have 100 posts. i am clearly a high contributor. you should all listen to my pr0 town addvice

[FM Ral Zarek]

Alright comma I am home again finally and will be looking into this fm with more focus period Laughing silently at Ral Zarek for needing someone to point out the part in my post where I said scum would most likely not read my posts period

Id like to throw this out there just in case none of you noticed colon I did not confirm nor deny that I was shot last night period I just said that it was not Parcher that shot me period

so you think i'm scum?

[FM Nicol Bolas]

so you think i'm scum?

Of course I think you are scum comma I consider everyone scum until convinced otherwise period I said I was laughing period

[FM Ral Zarek]

ok as you wish

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Jaya Ballard - Not actually playing, you gonna replace her?
Only has 2 posts from day 1


Koth - replaced


Terferi - 0 posts ever, why hasnt she been replaced?



Mr America comma I cannot find where you got your information about replacements period Mind explaining how you know that Koth was replaced and the others were not question mark You wouldnt happen to be in a night chat with Koth and know something that the general town doesnt comma would you question mark

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Gonna get some sleep comma Ill be back later tonight comma hopefully by then well have a decent lynch target period

Im currently ok with lynching fake Sabrina witch claimer that I can never remember her name comma maybe Parcher for being worthless lying bimbo comma or Meshuval depending on how he answers my question period I have a few other suspicions but Im not willing to share them yet comma I prefer letting them develop into something I can nail people to the stake with rather than idle suspicions that everyone wants to know about open bracket Why you letting scum hear the early warning sirens when you have suspicions on them question mark close bracket

[FM Ashiok]

so you think i'm scum?

Again with the self-conscious play style, worrying too much what other people think.


ok as you wish

What does this mean? Why did you feel the need to post this?


Mr America comma I cannot find where you got your information about replacements period Mind explaining how you know that Koth was replaced and the others were not question mark You wouldnt happen to be in a night chat with Koth and know something that the general town doesnt comma would you question mark

Host announced the replacement about 10 minutes before day end yesterday. There was only one reserve player in the signups, so I imagine host is trying to find more replacements before he has to modkill them.


It has been 6 hours since Ajani posted his check in, promising to read the thread and still nothing.

FM Ajani Goldmane


Hi guys! I'm going to be reading through the setup real quick again. We must kill the Nazis and not the bioterrorists. The UN can deal with the chemical weapon stuff.
This is Ajani's opening post. After doing reading the game's lore, the Nazis are the militia, the bioterrorists are the conduits, and the is the priest and chemical weapons is the Reapers. Post can be found here:
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402302#post402302

[FM Ral Zarek]

making conversation you know^^

[FM Ashiok]

Ok lets talk. Who is your number one scum read right now?

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, so we are actually Nazis? Then what are actually Cole's Conduits, hmm? Jews? I believe that Ajani is smarter than that.

Hmm, I guess I need to hear some good explanation of that phrase from Ajani.

Ajani Goldmane

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, it seems that I derped again.

FM Ajani Goldmane

[FM Ashiok]

@the vigilante

If you could get your head out of your ass and start dayvigging scum instead of gunning down militia, that would be great. Waiting until night is bad because:
1: You can bypass night immunities if you shoot during day
2: It reveals more about players, allowing tprs to make more informed night actions

And if you're 'too busy' to pay attention to the game, then don't force people to give you important roles in return for participating.

[FM Ashiok]

Hmm, so we are actually Nazis? Then what are actually Cole's Conduits, hmm? Jews? I believe that Ajani is smarter than that.

Hmm, I guess I need to hear some good explanation of that phrase from Ajani.

Ajani Goldmane

Apparently the Militia are a populace frightened/ hateful of the conduits, see them as a threat and want to wipe them all out. And what makes you think he is smarter than that?

[FM Garruk Wildspeaker]

Good morning!

[FM Ashiok]

Good morning!

Would you like to state if something happened to you last night or do you just want to post filler and check ins?

[FM Ral Zarek]

Ok lets talk. Who is your number one scum read right now?

who is my vote on?

[FM Sifa Grent]

@the vigilante

If you could get your head out of your ass and start dayvigging scum instead of gunning down militia, that would be great. Waiting until night is bad because:
1: You can bypass night immunities if you shoot during day
2: It reveals more about players, allowing tprs to make more informed night actions

And if you're 'too busy' to pay attention to the game, then don't force people to give you important roles in return for participating.

Hmm, that's quite something to say about the person who just shot our priest during the night. Isn't what you proposing actually a bad idea, hmm? You are not afraid that he might accidentally shoot another town PR, hmm?

I say that we, hmm, should not use our vigilante day shot today with so little information revolving around here. Do we have a 100% confirmed scum right now like in case with Glissa yesterday, hmm?

[FM Parcher]

Parcher your reasoning does not contain any significance, I voted Elspeth because I do not see any merit in a citizen faking witch.

In any case, I am town

use this game to learn and be less obvious scum in the future

[FM Parcher]

Vig, please shoot FM Karn

Riding a different train today
FM Ajani Goldmane

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, you're quite funny Parcher. You are directing the extremist to shoot someone when I already told you that it is a bad idea. Then would you like to play hot potato, hmm?

The rules of the "hot potato" game, are, hmm, quite simple. You can pass you hot potato to another person in this manner: *passes the hot potato to player X*. When I'll post "HOT!", the current person with the hot potato will be, hmm, the loser of the game.

I'll shout myself "HOT!" right after I wake myself up next time I return. So we should expect this game to last, mmm, roughly 10-15 hours from now. The loser of the "hot potato" game will be, hmm, an eligible taget for our militia extremist later. So, let's start the hot potato game, hmm?

*passes the hot potato to Parcher*

Throw your hot potato to the person you find, mmm, the most suspicious (such as Karn).

[FM Ashiok]

who is my vote on?

I asked for your read, not your sheep vote based on a lie.


Hmm, that's quite something to say about the person who just shot our priest during the night. Isn't what you proposing actually a bad idea, hmm? You are not afraid that he might accidentally shoot another town PR, hmm?

I say that we, hmm, should not use our vigilante day shot today with so little information revolving around here. Do we have a 100% confirmed scum right now like in case with Glissa yesterday, hmm?

If he's going to be killing off Militia might as well do it during the day so we can plan our night actions accordingly.


Hmm, you're quite funny Parcher. You are directing the extremist to shoot someone when I already told you that it is a bad idea. Then would you like to play hot potato, hmm?

The rules of the "hot potato" game, are, hmm, quite simple. You can pass you hot potato to another person in this manner: *passes the hot potato to player X*. When I'll post "HOT!", the current person with the hot potato will be, hmm, the loser of the game.

I'll shout myself "HOT!" right after I wake myself up next time I return. So we should expect this game to last, mmm, roughly 10-15 hours from now. The loser of the "hot potato" game will be, hmm, an eligible taget for our militia extremist later. So, let's start the hot potato game, hmm?

*passes the hot potato to Parcher*

Throw your hot potato to the person you find, mmm, the most suspicious (such as Karn).

@Parcher: just pass the potato back to this faggot and lets move on. Live by the sword die by the sword.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Host announced the replacement about 10 minutes before day end yesterday. There was only one reserve player in the signups, so I imagine host is trying to find more replacements before he has to modkill them.


Ah ty comma I would have expected it to have been listed in player status or somewhere official comma never thought to look up inside the thread and I hadnt taken note when he was replaced period So Meshuvels off the hook for that one period

Ill look into Ajani when I get up comma too tired to remember anything I find on my phone period

On a side note comma I wouldnt count on the vig to follow anyones suggestion during the day although I do find his previous target to be very poor choice comma Id gather he will do what he pleases period If I were vig comma Id keep my bullets until I actually NEED them period wasting shots this early on few slash no leads was stupid period

[FM Parcher]

Do we have a 100% confirmed scum right now like in case with Glissa yesterday, hmm?

jesus fucking christ...