Day I: The Real Chronicles of New Marais

[FM Ferengi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3a5djR3DkY#ws


Day 1: The True Chronicles of New Marais.

You're the guy asking about New Marais right?

Let me be clear about one thing, what you have been led to believe is a lie.

The public report? It's... altered.

The lie began rooted in truth but over time became a warped and twisted version of itself. A twisted story meant to paint conduits in a negative light, and paint humanity, or worse the Militia, as some grand crusaders of justice that through turmoil managed to produce a single survivng paraiah that vanquished the evil and delivered us into some golden age of peace?

See? When I put it like that it's hard to believe isn't it?

My name's Reggie Rowe; and I work for the Seattle police force. We obviously didn't see everything as it happened in New Marais, but damn did we see, hear and feel the aftermath...

Nowadays, we call the 'conduits' bioterroists. The entire population is media brainwashed into thinking they're the spawn of satan or some such

What happened in New Marais hits... a little close to home which is why I followed it up so extensively... you see my brother... Ah forget it.

I'm going to do you a favour and tell you what really went down.

The story starts off true enough, with a bunch of people being called to a town house for a militia hearing. Obviously we don't know how these particular 36 were chosen; or which ones were even meant to be there. See, it was meant to be all militia but a bunch of militia bodies were found scattered around the place in the days after the initial meeting that couldn't be idfentied. So, obviously, there were people in that meeting that weren't meant to be there.

The original report titled "FMV" wasn't lying about the original list of suspects. The infamous "demon of Empire City", or the "electric man" Cole MacGrath, Those Ice guys from the Vermaak syndicate, That freak Sasha...

Look, no matter what you've been led to believe they were all there for their own purposes, sure some of the conduits were... not working in humanity's best interest; when Cole Macgrath got to New Marais? He was intent on killing The Beast.

And the Beast was definitely on it's way.

So the same 36 people were brought back... day in and day out... Or rather... the ones who survived.

Bah, I'm getting ahead of myself.

I'll start from the beginning. They all attended the first meeting... Unaware that the conduits were among their number... I suppose it had a peaceful beginning.


Role List:

Cole MacGrath [MacGrath]
Lucy Kuo [MacGrath]
Zeke Dunbar [MacGrath]
Nix [MacGrath]

Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Conduit [Vermaak 88]

Soul of The Beast
Sasha (Reaper Leader)
Random Killing Conduit
Random Conduit
Random Conduit

Joseph Bertrand
Cop
Investigator
Extremist
Medic
Detainer
Priest
Coroner
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Random Power Militia
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member
Militia Member


Graveyard:

XXX(XXX):


The Day will Unlock and Begin At The Following Time: Day Begins (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Wednesday+December+4+2013%2C+11pm+Brisbane++Aus tralia)
The Day will End and begin the Special Double Length Night One at the Following Time: Day Ends (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Thursday+December+5+2013%2C+11pm+Brisbane++Aust ralia)
There can be no lynch today.
Please ensure you post at least once so we can double check all accounts are working


THE BEAST IS 1500 MILES FROM NEW MARAIS

[FM Nicol Bolas]

First!

Yayap: So first off, a history lesson. The only time I was fooled by a jester in previous fms was back during Elixirs first game FM2, where Miles pulled off a long con by claiming investigator, and was by all means believed to have been one for quite some time during that game and Jester was a confirmed role in that game. So I decided to try to match/surpass his play and be a huge impact on the game as my role.

Now the setup and treat assessment:

Zeke Dunbar: Green teams consig, being found by her is not a threat to me, it would most likely remove my name from their night target list if they realize I'm not the mayor. And if they tried to expose me, it would be revealing that they have information that the town does not.

Oranges 4 chose-able roles: Night 1 was going to be the most important night for orange team, good choices would be invaluable for scum factions to dominate.

Soul of The Beast: not detectable by invest roles, this is all I need to know for now
Sasha (Reaper Leader): more of a nuisance to me than anything... I did not want to be recruited into the cult this game.
Random Killing Conduit: Will have to avoid his kill.
Random Conduit: only affects me if its an amnesiac (same invest pairing)
Jester: ME!

Joseph Bertrand: The only town in my invest pairing, I cannot fake this role.
Cop: can't detect me - can't detect beast, neutral killing conduit or cole either
Investigator: My #1 Threat. Being found by the invest was an almost guarantied loss.
Extremist: has day shots, need him not to be onto me or my game would end quick
Medic: don't care
Detainer: I've never been executed by a town jailor (only a neutral who didn't care) so I was not concerned about him
Priest: could eliminate the possibility of claiming cit later
Coroner: don't care
6x Random Power Militia: I need to identify what roles were in the game asap to determine my next gambits.


Jester invest pairings: There appears to be more to your target than meets the eye. They could be Joseph Bertrand, an Amnesiac or a Willbender... Though it could just be a Jester

That was possibly the worst pairing for me, getting stuck into a impossible to claim town role, a neutral that would be hard to convince and a possible non existant Willbender... I was screwed if invest checked me.


So Goals for day 1:

1- Try to Influence Orange team into picking roles that benefit me, especially the Willbender. Framer and a consig so that they can check me and find out that I'm not a good night kill is also desirable.

2- Manipulate scum to get night kills away from me.

3- Manipulate Wifom to keep the invest off of me. And if possible, avoid cops and masons as well.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, it seems you really came here first. Well, congratulations to you, hmm?

You can call me, hmm... Sifa Grent. It's so nice to meet you all, isn't it, hmm?

[FM Nicol Bolas]

I have arrived exclamation point

I decided to make myself Framer bait with my punctuation, it was bound to be noticed and it would help deter the invest from checking me. It also made me look a bit scummy so that night kills decided to look over me.

[FM Xenagos]

Have you really now?

[FM Meshuvel]

First things first. I'm FM Meshuvel and this is America!

While I sure as hell am a Red blooded American we have some UNAMERICANS among us.

Some bleeding heart liberal decided we couldn't hold a good old fashion lynching today so I'd like to play a game to decide who among us is American.

By the end of the day, I hope everyone will have posted their answer to Marry, Fuck, Kill

Marry: America
Fuck: Lady Liberty
Kill: Bioterrorists

By the end of the day I will replace my current choices with those among us.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

so what shall we do day one question mark should we discuss Vermaak 88s possibilities question mark we all know they will be discussing it between themselves during the night comma we might as well try to determine what they will pick and if we get lucky they might not pick the best roles simply because we would expect them to period


I'm leading my next post with this one to reduce the scummy level of how it will look. I'm pretty much defending my decision to post my list and commentary. Giving people a previous of what I'm about to do then doing it somehow makes people overlook the scum level of what is posted.

[FM Xenagos]

-vote Nicol Bolas

Just voting him because well...he finished first. You know..finishing 30 seconds after the thread unlocked is something substantial. He should be President. Oh wait..yea there's no voting today.

[FM Sifa Grent]

First things first. I'm FM Meshuvel and this is America!

While I sure as hell am a Red blooded American we have some UNAMERICANS among us.

Some bleeding heart liberal decided we couldn't hold a good old fashion lynching today so I'd like to play a game to decide who among us is American.

By the end of the day, I hope everyone will have posted their answer to Marry, Fuck, Kill

Marry: America
Fuck: Lady Liberty
Kill: Bioterrorists

By the end of the day I will replace my current choices with those among us.

Hmm, I personally would like to marry with you soon. You don't mind that, hmm?

[FM Xenagos]

I feel that the four of us are already past the initial fun of pleasantries at the start and are now moving on to trolling and spamming.

[FM Vraska]

Hey guys.

This should be a fun game and stuff.

I'll be around, but not... quite as the same activity level for those who have played with me before, and know me.

Meanwhile, some questions just to get people talking, if nothing else:

Alignment preference - town or scum?
What are more dangerous - the Conduits or the Vermaak?
How often do you anticipate posting each day?

There obviously aren't many reads available yet, so it'll largely be meta-based. That's okay! I don't know a lot of you yet, in terms of how you may play.

Telling us that you don't know a lot of us hints that you could be a new player on the big scene, I deliberately avoided answering your questions since I didn't want to hint about my role or COM on day 1.

[FM Meshuvel]

I'm flattered but I'm already in a committed relationship with FREEDOM

Also, before we discuss the vermotts best choice set I'd rather discuss whether it is in our best interest to do so. Or whether we'd be better off waiting until day 2.

I'm not even sure it would hurt them to choose what we decided was the best power setup let alone dissuade them from picking it. By discussing it today, we could be helping them more than we hurt them.

In the hour that I had posted what I wanted to do, this is the only resistance that was offered, and it was not strong resistance at all, it was a "before we discuss choice" meaning you wanted to discuss it... just not now. This didn't deter me from doing it. :P

[FM Xenagos]

I'm feeling that the element of surprise contained within the Vermaak is their greatest weapon. They may not be overpowered in regards to how they can attack the populous of the town etc., but they sure can make things chaotic.

[FM Vraska]

Can people answer the three questions I have, at the top?

They're a bit stupid, but I mostly just want to get people talking that I've never seen play before. And see if anything obvious stood out as worth cramming a lynch down their throat for.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I believe that the Reapers and their leader is much more dangerous than Conduits or the Vermaak. I would prefer... neutral point of view, hmm? We should call things like they way thay are called, hmm - Militia are Militia and so on. It's not like we are good or bad from neutral point of view. Each of us stands for their own ideals, hmm?

I'm quite relaxed today so I can post, hmm, like any time I want.

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

Hi guys! I'm going to be reading through the setup real quick again. We must kill the Nazis and not the bioterrorists. The UN can deal with the chemical weapon stuff.

[FM Sifa Grent]

What about China and Japan, hmm?

[FM Meshuvel]

As a disclaimer, I'm American so I can't be scum. Scum utilize the cowards toolset of lying and manipulation. However, I do enjoy that play style the most.

If you ignore the beast options, which we don't know what they are, I think the vermott are much more dangerous than Coles conduits.

I generally participate in bursts. A lot of posts in a short period then a period of being away.


I didn't expect you to comply with Vraskas query. It showed that you didn't have anything to hide.

[FM Jace Beleren]

Greetings. I am the mighty Basileus Jace Beleren, and I am here to restore the great Byzantine Empire.

I shall be able to post after my Advisors have spoken to me and informed me of the situation. -School-

So good day to all of you.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, if you look at this more closely, our actual strength lies in numbers. I consider the Reapers more dangerous because they can, hmm, increase their numbers while diminishing our own at the same time. So their leader should be our top priority, hmm?

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Time to examine Vermaaks choices colon

Kidnapper colon with the confirmed detainer on the list of town power roles comma having this role in the line up to counter its effectiveness is almost a must period

Janitor colon being limited to three cleanings and wastes charges if the target survives and having a confirmed coroner that can undo two of them seems underpowered comma ive yet to see a janitors clense be a defining moment in a fm period

Framer colon if the Vermaak are comprised of experienced wifom users comma i wouldnt be surprised to see one or more of these in the lineup comma even if its just to retain their investigation invulnerability period

Consigliere colon even more powerful than an investigator comma he can find exact roles if he needs to which is a great benefit to a team comma id be surprised if Vermaak doesnt take at least one into their lineup period

Consort colon probably wont see any of these this time around comma they have been mostly useless anyways since people try to build a stripper slash escort claim when they have one comma making blocking valuable power roles a death trap period

Sapper colon team suicide period period period you need numbers to win this game colon cant even detonate during the day if he is under fire making his usefulness very limited period

Disguiser colon have mostly been an extra kill early on before anyone can get to know peoples play styles comma the longer people wait the harder it is to find a suitable person to disguise as and not be noticed period targeting a known power role is a suicide mission period

Enforcer colon although it looks appealing to be able to keep your entire team cult free comma its actually a trap since Sasha will know that you cant be converted which will almost reveal your allegiance comma and its not that hard to start a lynch train period

Willbender colon a more powerful role blocker in some respects comma can attract a doc off his target so that someone else in the team can attack that person of interest comma or steal items from smiths comma tie up investigators into checking the same person all the time while not knowing who he is visiting period I wouldnt be surprised if a willbender shows up on vermaaks team period


Summary colon I think the Vermaak team will consist of colon kidnapper comma consigilere comma willbender comma another willbender slash consigilere period

Any one else want to pitch in their thoughts on the possibilities question mark


I literally highlighted only the roles that benefit me. I concealed the consorts immunity to detectives and lookouts, highlighted how useless the janitor, disguiser and sapper can be and gave some food for thought about the enforcer not being optimal.... even when the enforcer was essential to slowing masons.
And I did try to get them to take 2 willbenders.. which would have really helped me.

[FM Ugin]

The people who were here noticed Ugin has gotten up. He walks over to greet everyone and see what has been going on.

[FM Ugin]

He finds that not much has happened. However, he sees several questions written down. He glances over them and then pulls out a sheet of paper and writes the following with his crayons.

Alignment preference - Scummy Town
What are more dangerous - Vermaak
How often do you anticipate posting each day? [retracted]

[FM Ugin]

Time to examine Vermaaks choices colon

Kidnapper colon with the confirmed detainer on the list of town power roles comma having this role in the line up to counter its effectiveness is almost a must period

Janitor colon being limited to three cleanings and wastes charges if the target survives and having a confirmed coroner that can undo two of them seems underpowered comma ive yet to see a janitors clense be a defining moment in a fm period

Framer colon if the Vermaak are comprised of experienced wifom users comma i wouldnt be surprised to see one or more of these in the lineup comma even if its just to retain their investigation invulnerability period

Consigliere colon even more powerful than an investigator comma he can find exact roles if he needs to which is a great benefit to a team comma id be surprised if Vermaak doesnt take at least one into their lineup period

Consort colon probably wont see any of these this time around comma they have been mostly useless anyways since people try to build a stripper slash escort claim when they have one comma making blocking valuable power roles a death trap period

Sapper colon team suicide period period period you need numbers to win this game colon cant even detonate during the day if he is under fire making his usefulness very limited period

Disguiser colon have mostly been an extra kill early on before anyone can get to know peoples play styles comma the longer people wait the harder it is to find a suitable person to disguise as and not be noticed period targeting a known power role is a suicide mission period

Enforcer colon although it looks appealing to be able to keep your entire team cult free comma its actually a trap since Sasha will know that you cant be converted which will almost reveal your allegiance comma and its not that hard to start a lynch train period

Willbender colon a more powerful role blocker in some respects comma can attract a doc off his target so that someone else in the team can attack that person of interest comma or steal items from smiths comma tie up investigators into checking the same person all the time while not knowing who he is visiting period I wouldnt be surprised if a willbender shows up on vermaaks team period


Summary colon I think the Vermaak team will consist of colon kidnapper comma consigilere comma willbender comma another willbender slash consigilere period

Any one else want to pitch in their thoughts on the possibilities question mark

He see this and takes it and glances over it, he then proceeds to scribble some things down

kidnapper,enforcer,Consigliere,sapper/willbender

[FM Parcher]

Contact high

I'm done dreaming that we can fly

Am I guilty boy you decide

I've got nothing to hide

[FM Ugin]

Ugin watches as no one says anything just merely looks, he gets bored and starts to scribble on the walls with some chalk he found.

[FM Baltrice]

G'orning. Wassup? MM Reapers 'rangerous cause hidden potential.

[FM Baltrice]

Sa'in not a high activity from me. This game hassent started favorably for me. Work hectics. Posted when I can

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Well comma Im off to work period Be back later when there is more to discuss and more people to talk to period


Actually, I didn't go to work, I went to sleep.. but this also served as a "don't bother questioning me about my list because I wont be around to defend myself - go bother someone else"

[FM Meshuvel]

I'd also like to speculate on Coles choice. I suspect, based on i2 that his choice will boil down to:
A. Kill some number of militia, turn some smaller number of militia into conduits. Most likely neutrals but possibly into Coles or vermott conduits too.
B. Sacrifice himself, kill or citizenify all other conduits regardless of alignment.

[FM Gideon Jura]

Hello.

[FM Garruk Wildspeaker]

Good morning. I would say that sasha is the biggest threat to uss right now. None of our prs can be trusted as long as she is alive.

[FM Gideon Jura]

May you make it so we can see posts count?

[FM Gideon Jura]

Sasha and revolutionists should be eliminated as soon as possible.


Yes.. thank you for that analysis captain obvious, now do you have a plan how we can catch said Sasha?

[FM Baltrice]

First off lets stop the nonsense. That include bad grammar for me.
Discussing the roles that the Vaamerk can choose is easily one of the worst choices we can make today.
Since their picks are hidden from our view and they have a slew of potentially dangerous roles to pick from it doesn't make any realistic sense to give them both a head start on deciding the merits of each role individually and collectively as well as not making any intelligent sense to give them a place to discuss them right out in the open, just like we'd be doing now.
Thats not ok. Thus Nicol is right at the top of my suspect list for today.

The second thing I have to complain about is the speech styles of those who posted before me. Posting without any punctuation, and no spelling them out doesn't count. inflates the paragraph and makes it look larger than it is, which in most eyes is a primary town tell. Then proceeding to make large posts with these needless words in them has the potential to confuse others/make them skip the post entirely. Both of these results are scummy and need to stop. So stop, Nicol. And while we are talking about bad speech styles, Ugin. You need to stop the RP. Its practically active lurking considering all you have done, which shows the potential of what you will do, is needlessly voice actions and give a weak response to them. Thats bad.
Parcher, easily topping Ugin in the scum list because of his single "I don't give a fuck" post and then dropping off the day is also scummy. Rhyming and rapping are generally terrible ways to communicate in the game.


10 minutes after I said I was leaving - I don't have to worry about you interrogating me, I can ignore you. So, making me look scummy only serves my own purposes to survive the coming night - ty.

As for Parcher and others being scummy for not caring - totally wrong on day 1 with no lynch.

[FM Dack Fayden]

Assuming that the warden/detainer can jail tonight, but a potential Vermak 88 Kidnapper can't, I propose that the warden comes up with some kind of code which each jailed target will post in the following day chat. The warden/detainer will solve his code each night to prove he is not the kidnapper and thus can collect solid role claims each night.

This is literally all I think we need to discuss about Vermak 88 today; we can discuss more tomorrow after they choose roles, so as not to show our hand.

My question in the faq was not answered yet - but the question was really to show the Vermaak that they would have to find a way to cover the who did you jail n1 question in the late game, wanted them to plan ahead during the night.

[FM Baltrice]

With that in mind I have to go to work now. Im expecting to be back after 7 hours, hopefully.
Lets not let these people continue this path ok?

[FM Ugin]

His name was called. He came over to listen.

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

/*******\ Initialising opening sequence. /*******\

Walk into the thread like "What up, I got a big name"

\*******/ End opening sequence. \*******/

/*******\ Initialising preferred playstyle. /*******\

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sc2mafia.exe loaded

\*******/ Initiation complete. \*******/

Hey everyone. Gotta read through this real quick.

[FM Parcher]

Parcher, easily topping Ugin in the scum list because of his single "I don't give a fuck" post and then dropping off the day is also scummy. Rhyming and rapping are generally terrible ways to communicate in the game.

You ain't doing this, so you know you're just talking shit.

Mad at all of us... 'cause every song is a fuckin' hit

Hollywood Undead - Undead


Openly defiant to someone using bad site meta, shows boldness..

[FM Parcher]

Contact high

I'm done dreaming that we can fly

Am I guilty boy you decide

I've got nothing to hide

Architecture in Helsinki - Contact High

[FM Ugin]

He notes how Baltrice complains how others play and giggles. He also notes a lot of talk about the warden. He sees that someone has a plan, how to counter kidnapper. He smiles slightly then frowns. He sees a problem and scribbles the following.


Warden can be converted, work in theory

A well noted concern for most people, this post also served to stall or stop a jailor claiming plan.. which is pro-vermaak.

[FM Gideon Jura]

Cole MacGrath [MacGrath]
Lucy Kuo [MacGrath]
Zeke Dunbar [MacGrath]
Nix [MacGrath]

Conduit [Vermaak 88] [EXPUNGED]
Conduit [Vermaak 88] [EXPUNGED]
Conduit [Vermaak 88] [EXPUNGED]
Conduit [Vermaak 88] [EXPUNGED]

Soul of The Beast
Sasha (Reaper Leader)
Random Killing Conduit (Revolutionist)
Random Conduit (Jester)
Random Conduit (Student)

Joseph Bertrand
Cop
Investigator
Extremist
Medic
Detainer
Priest
Coroner
Random Power Militia (Gunsmith/Armorsmith)
Random Power Militia (Bus driver)
Random Power Militia (Veteran)
Random Power Militia (Lookout)
Random Power Militia (Bodyguard)
Random Power Militia (Detective)
Militia Member X9

My thoughts on the roles list. I will reveal the Vermaak 88 roles after their roles are chosen.

[FM Ugin]

Sasha and revolutionists should be eliminated as soon as possible.

Ugin looks at how Gideon mentions revolutionists when it is unknown if they exist. He shows it around to everyone and then goes back to doodling on the wall.

[FM Gideon Jura]

I am thinking in a way that believes that all roles could exist in this game.

[FM Ugin]

Random Killing Conduit (Revolutionist)


He sees this and ponders. He pulls out his green sharpie and writes.

Can random killing condit be killing?

He thinks it might not because they don't have killing power to begin with. He thinks if it exist, it would be under the random.

This question indicates that you didn't read the setup enough to realize that the role cards were categorized... its also could be intentional to hint that he is not the revolutionist.

[FM Ugin]

I am thinking in a way that believes that all roles could exist in this game.

Ugin nods in now understanding and then goes to the wall to doodle again.

[FM Gideon Jura]

15146

[FM Gideon Jura]

15146

When they have 3 members they can kill.

[FM Parcher]

Can random killing conduit be killing?.

:|


My thoughts exactly. :)

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

Firs thought that I wanted to say:

Yes, we should not give the Vermaaks any ideas on the roles. Thus what Nicol did isn't good. However, I think many who would want to contribute may think that posting a list like that may be useful to us. I'd count it as simple mistake.


There was a reason I didn't wait before posting my list... it was so that it could look like a mistake when interrogated later. Seeing that others have already started to offer that possibility only makes my job easier.

[FM Ugin]

:|

Ugin sees his mistake and laughs at it. He rephrases it to be right

Is it possible for the random killing conduit to be a revolutionist?

[FM Parcher]

Too much COM if I keep singing, so srs post time.

Your FM names all suck. I got the best one. laff

dirty two word name peasants

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

Too much COM if I keep singing, so srs post time.

Your FM names all suck. I got the best one. laff

dirty two word name peasants

Keep telling that to yoself. Ya just can't handle the truth.

[FM Meshuvel]

Firs thought that I wanted to say:

Yes, we should not give the Vermaaks any ideas on the roles. Thus what Nicol did isn't good. However, I think many who would want to contribute may think that posting a list like that may be useful to us. I'd count it as simple mistake.

I already warned that posting such a list would be bad before either of them posted their lists. I don't think ignorance is an excuse.


ah, but you weren't very firm in your warning so I can claim that I didn't see it that way.

[FM Vraska]

Leaving now, will come and check back in after work.

Just noticed that today is a no lynch day, which is... unfortunate.

Still, we can organize vig shots and others like that, which will be good.

hint: never a good idea to try and direct PRs openly.. especially the Vig. Much better to insert ideas in their heads without them noticing it. Think of the movie inception.

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

I already warned that posting such a list would be bad before either of them posted their lists. I don't think ignorance is an excuse.

That's true, but I believe it's an honest mistake. Your post didn't strike me for example like a warning but more as a sign of caution that gets easily disregarded by people who like to rush forward. Okay, subpar analogy, but you get my point.

I'm not trusting Nicol, but i don't think he would gain anything as scum to write such a list. Chances are that the Varmaaks have some brain themselves.

Thats the second time you defend/dismiss my list as a mistake.. I'm wondering if you have an agenda of your own now.

[FM Meshuvel]

That's true, but I believe it's an honest mistake. Your post didn't strike me for example like a warning but more as a sign of caution that gets easily disregarded by people who like to rush forward. Okay, subpar analogy, but you get my point.

I'm not trusting Nicol, but i don't think he would gain anything as scum to write such a list. Chances are that the Varmaaks have some brain themselves.

I agree, I should have worded that much more strongly.

[FM Gideon Jura]

Actually I think there can be a lynch today.

The grammar of the first post makes me believe that a lynch IS POSSIBLE yet not required.

FM Xenagos


And so the laughable stupidity begins.. hosts be facepalming.

[FM Dack Fayden]

FM Parcher, I agree that you have the best name. But your avatar isn't Archer, so...

[FM Vraska]

Just as a pressure vote, for the time being. Obviously it won't do anything, but the significance of a vote can help coordinate night actions and such.

FM Parcher

I want him to do something. He's just spamming up the thread now, with little content.


It's day 1... with "no" lynch. Doing anything only serves to gain information about the setup or reveal something about your own role. Power roles should not be exposing themselves on day 1 by hinting that they know something that we dont.

On the rare occasion, some newbie might slip and expose himself as a scum but I always prefer to think that people are smarter than that.

[FM Vraska]

Actually I think there can be a lynch today.

The grammar of the first post makes me believe that a lynch IS POSSIBLE yet not required.

FM Xenagos

Reasoning for the vote?

I just want justification, and to see what's up.

[FM Parcher]

FM Parcher, I agree that you have the best name. But your avatar isn't Archer, so...

Too terrible of a pun


Just as a pressure vote, for the time being. Obviously it won't do anything, but the significance of a vote can help coordinate night actions and such.

FM Parcher

I want him to do something. He's just spamming up the thread now, with little content.

Pressure vote on a no-lynch day? Being mad about noncontributors within the first 100 posts of Day 1?
If your name wasn't as high-tier as mine, I'd be BMing the fuck out of you


This is the perfect defense for what was stated - which is exposing the over hastiness of Vraska.

[FM Gideon Jura]

Eh posted a single post and left. Classic lurker.

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

Actually I think there can be a lynch today.

The grammar of the first post makes me believe that a lynch IS POSSIBLE yet not required.

FM Xenagos

It's either

There can be "no lynch" today.

or

There can be no lynch today.


"It's either"....... Is it really that hard to understand that we cannot lynch?

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, isn't there clearly written "There can be no lynch today."?

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

Hmm, isn't there clearly written "There can be no lynch today."?


If you twist it a bit like Gideon Jura did and as I showed then it's not "clearly", but I'm pretty sure that we cannot lynch today..

Just to be sure..:
Can we lynch someone today?


And so Glissa has been added to my list of people to ignore when probing for information because if you can't understand the basics of a no lynch day.... understanding complex wifom is problematic.

Now I know some people do it on purpose to look stupid to conceal their COMs... which I find is a terrible way to do so because you are handicapping yourself the entire game. So if you want to look stupid, I shall think of you as stupid because your posts will reflect that.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I personally don't like those twists and turns. I prefer to be straight on the point.

[FM Parcher]

Host says "There can be no lynch today" and doesn't set a lynch number

somehow people are convinced that today is a lynch day

[FM Gideon Jura]

He could be counting it manually.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I believe that some people like to paint those big target marks on each other. I wonder, how it will turn out in the end, hmm?

[FM Ral Zarek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2z28mutY1E

Hello guys I have arrived and selected an avatar. which was really painful actually, because "remote file was too large" so i had to download it on my computer just to upload it to sc2mafia.com again
but well now you can at least see that the result was worth it.

anyway, i'd like to state some thoughts about the setup

i don't like the fact that town is town and not town. really confusing as fuck. don't be surprised if i use green color for town, it's really not easy for my internal logic to handle this shit. and no i'm not using an AI to play forum mafia, what do you guys think of me :O

however what i REALLY hate is that citizens secondary objective is to survive because
survive as citizen = TPRs will get killed instead of you = bad for town = jeopardizes town victory = jeopardizes primary win condition =/= you may not jeopardize primary win condition for secondary
logic error: secondary objective is pointless
/ignore secondary objective


First things first. I'm FM Meshuvel and this is America!

While I sure as hell am a Red blooded American we have some UNAMERICANS among us.

Some bleeding heart liberal decided we couldn't hold a good old fashion lynching today so I'd like to play a game to decide who among us is American.

By the end of the day, I hope everyone will have posted their answer to Marry, Fuck, Kill

Marry: America
Fuck: Lady Liberty
Kill: Bioterrorists

By the end of the day I will replace my current choices with those among us.

america: freedom. freedom. freedom???

i don't like america spying us. they probably gonna read that too but who cares. NSA is everywhere
american citizens are watched too. NSA is watching you. For anti-terror they say.
so you call that freedom?? i'd say you sacrifice freedom for safety. stop doing that
spying enemy governments? ok. spying allied NATO governments? hmm... i don't care. spying usual citizens? ehhm no?? spying citizens of foreign countries? wtf...??
9-11 was planned here they say. well i say, which airport let the terrorists in? which plains we taken over? american ones. it's not our fault. we don't and will never spy our own citizens. we have rights.

so freedom in USA? past.
so i can proudly say: i am NOT an american


so what shall we do day one question mark should we discuss Vermaak 88s possibilities question mark we all know they will be discussing it between themselves during the night comma we might as well try to determine what they will pick and if we get lucky they might not pick the best roles simply because we would expect them to period
hard to read your text. logic error. stop this shit.

Hey guys.

This should be a fun game and stuff.

I'll be around, but not... quite as the same activity level for those who have played with me before, and know me.

Meanwhile, some questions just to get people talking, if nothing else:

Alignment preference - town or scum?
What are more dangerous - the Conduits or the Vermaak?
How often do you anticipate posting each day?

There obviously aren't many reads available yet, so it'll largely be meta-based. That's okay! I don't know a lot of you yet, in terms of how you may play.

i think usually i prefer being town.
the ones that can choose their roles because the other ones we know
dunno. depends. let's see

Time to examine Vermaaks choices colon

Kidnapper colon with the confirmed detainer on the list of town power roles comma having this role in the line up to counter its effectiveness is almost a must period

Janitor colon being limited to three cleanings and wastes charges if the target survives and having a confirmed coroner that can undo two of them seems underpowered comma ive yet to see a janitors clense be a defining moment in a fm period

Framer colon if the Vermaak are comprised of experienced wifom users comma i wouldnt be surprised to see one or more of these in the lineup comma even if its just to retain their investigation invulnerability period

Consigliere colon even more powerful than an investigator comma he can find exact roles if he needs to which is a great benefit to a team comma id be surprised if Vermaak doesnt take at least one into their lineup period

Consort colon probably wont see any of these this time around comma they have been mostly useless anyways since people try to build a stripper slash escort claim when they have one comma making blocking valuable power roles a death trap period

Sapper colon team suicide period period period you need numbers to win this game colon cant even detonate during the day if he is under fire making his usefulness very limited period

Disguiser colon have mostly been an extra kill early on before anyone can get to know peoples play styles comma the longer people wait the harder it is to find a suitable person to disguise as and not be noticed period targeting a known power role is a suicide mission period

Enforcer colon although it looks appealing to be able to keep your entire team cult free comma its actually a trap since Sasha will know that you cant be converted which will almost reveal your allegiance comma and its not that hard to start a lynch train period

Willbender colon a more powerful role blocker in some respects comma can attract a doc off his target so that someone else in the team can attack that person of interest comma or steal items from smiths comma tie up investigators into checking the same person all the time while not knowing who he is visiting period I wouldnt be surprised if a willbender shows up on vermaaks team period


Summary colon I think the Vermaak team will consist of colon kidnapper comma consigilere comma willbender comma another willbender slash consigilere period

Any one else want to pitch in their thoughts on the possibilities question mark
ain't gonna read that hell of a text. would cause logic errors

First off lets stop the nonsense. That include bad grammar for me.
Discussing the roles that the Vaamerk can choose is easily one of the worst choices we can make today.
Since their picks are hidden from our view and they have a slew of potentially dangerous roles to pick from it doesn't make any realistic sense to give them both a head start on deciding the merits of each role individually and collectively as well as not making any intelligent sense to give them a place to discuss them right out in the open, just like we'd be doing now.
Thats not ok. Thus Nicol is right at the top of my suspect list for today.

The second thing I have to complain about is the speech styles of those who posted before me. Posting without any punctuation, and no spelling them out doesn't count. inflates the paragraph and makes it look larger than it is, which in most eyes is a primary town tell. Then proceeding to make large posts with these needless words in them has the potential to confuse others/make them skip the post entirely. Both of these results are scummy and need to stop. So stop, Nicol. And while we are talking about bad speech styles, Ugin. You need to stop the RP. Its practically active lurking considering all you have done, which shows the potential of what you will do, is needlessly voice actions and give a weak response to them. Thats bad.
Parcher, easily topping Ugin in the scum list because of his single "I don't give a fuck" post and then dropping off the day is also scummy. Rhyming and rapping are generally terrible ways to communicate in the game.

good points. let's discuss their roles tomorrow


Don't want to read my posts? Hints that you aren't looking for a night action target, also your note about the citizen tells me that you read that role card in full... most people wouldn't care about others secondary objectives. You pretty much screamed: "I'm a citizen".

[FM Meshuvel]

Assuming that the warden/detainer can jail tonight, but a potential Vermak 88 Kidnapper can't, I propose that the warden comes up with some kind of code which each jailed target will post in the following day chat. The warden/detainer will solve his code each night to prove he is not the kidnapper and thus can collect solid role claims each night.

This is literally all I think we need to discuss about Vermak 88 today; we can discuss more tomorrow after they choose roles, so as not to show our hand.

I want to reinforce the importance of this.

Are we allowed to use a cipher to encrypt a code for later reveal?

If so the jailor should give an encrypted code to his N1 jail target which that target should post D2 or be rejailed and executed.

On night 2 the jailor should post the cypher to decrypt the code proving he is the jailor and give his current jail target a new code with a different cypher to be posted on day 3.


Moving forward with the how to identify our jailor plan from the kidnapper is very pro-town... scum would not want us to be able to tell the difference between the two so that if they get jailed, they have an excuse for not saying too much to the real jailor.

This post made me add you to the town side.

[FM Ral Zarek]

what exactly will happen if beast arrives?

[FM Gideon Jura]

what exactly will happen if beast arrives?

Shit will go down.

I must depart now, I shall return at a later time.

[FM Ral Zarek]

which plains were taken over?

this it should be. program is full of bugs

[Elixir]

I don't really want to be doing Q and A in here when I have a post for it:

-no lynch today unless you can get 672 votes.
-rules on codes and shit is in the manual. Word association is the limit. No fucking da Vinci encryption.

edit: okay maybe it's not in the manual. It's in the q and a post.

[FM Domri Rade]

How can this vessel of light be of use to everyone?

[FM Ral Zarek]

I don't really want to be doing Q and A in here when I have a post for it:

-no lynch today unless you can get 672 votes.
-rules on codes and shit is in the manual. Word association is the limit. No fucking da Vinci encryption.

edit: okay maybe it's not in the manual. It's in the q and a post.

whut no encryption allowed? can't be
where is that in setup
and you didn't answer my Q
no Q and A in day chat is invalid, has always been done

[FM Domri Rade]

Praise the Sun there's a Q and A thread. The host wants it used. Use it. Don't complain. Complaining is dark and terrible and for the unworthy.

[FM Ral Zarek]

doubt it

[FM Domri Rade]

doubt it

Says the dark one who didn't read the setup . . . or the Q and A

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, just don't bother with your secondary objectives. They are fun enough, but for my point of view they are just nothing more than, hmm, petty distraction.

I'll show you an example. Hmm...

Let's say, hmm, that the Bodyguard's secondary win condition is to save Joseph Bertrand's life. However, that said Joseph gets himself, hmm, converted by the Reapers beforehand. The Bodyguard shields the "mayor" from Conduit attack and dies in peace. Meanwhile, Reaper Joseph uses his, hmm, "mayor" power to lynch off the opposition and scores the Reapers the win. It's quite nasty, hmm?

And Elixir said it himself. He said that we, hmm, should not jeopardise our primary win condition just to achieve secondary objective. I don't think that it will give any of us MVP either, hmm?

[FM Domri Rade]

Secondary objectives are nice little lights that can come around at any time. They cannot make anyone grossly incandescent.

Go for the brilliance of victory, not the night light of objectives.

[FM Meshuvel]

Since we can't use a cypher to auto confirm jailor at night I have a new suggestion utilizing the "if I say x I mean y" process.

This is not an encryption, more a confirmation code. It can be a random sentence to be repeated if a random sequence is disallowed.

Night 1: jailed person must reveal role. Jailor tells jail target a random sentence like "Cole shocked my balls".

Day 2: person jailed n1 reveals that he was jailed but ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT reveal the random sentence. The person jailed puts the sentence into his LW in case he is killed N2

Night2: jailor reveals the sentence from the previous night and provides a new random sentence.
One of the two provides a chart of if I say x my role is y. For instance, if I say bumblebee my role is mayor etc.

Day 3: the random sentance from night 1 is revealed by the night 1 jail target. If the night 2 sees that this sentance matches what the jailor said he would then say "bubblebee" otherwise he can reveal that there is a kidnapper. He would also put the new random sentence in his LW and the process repeats.

Its less efficient but it does still prevent a kidnapper from gaining info.

Anyone have a better idea for utilizing the fact only the militia have a jailor N1?


Bringing the town back to useful discussion, town only has 1 chance to come up with a kidnapper detection system, scum will try to detract the day conversation away from this and you are also painting a target on yourself for scum night hit because of your persistence.

[FM Nissa Revane]

FM Someone

[FM Nissa Revane]

hi im new i lyk ponies i am town okay dont pressure me pl0x kthxbai


I'll see you day 2... then the pressure will start.

[FM Ral Zarek]

Says the dark one who didn't read the setup . . . or the Q and A

of course i read the setup. if you mean this one
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24114-Martial-Law-Militia-Rulings-of-New-Marais

and no i didn't read all the hundreds of questions in the Q and A thread because most of them are not interesting for me



The more important part of the setup was in the role cards... if you read them, you obviously didn't study them. Ral Zarek has been identified as a non analyzer and classified not a threat.

[FM Tamiyo]

I've read through the previous and find one post extremely disconcerting, I won't tell you what it is atm, I will probably not be around for a bit.


So lets see, in the 89 posts, we have had
1- my list
2- stupid argument about "no lynch day"
3- jailor code
4- hasty pressure from Vraska
5- regular day 1 spam and trolling

I wonder what post you are referring to? Must be my list.

Also saying that you were holding back information really painted the target on you for night 1... I'm just surprised/dissapointed green team took your bait.

[FM Ugin]

Since we can't use a cypher to auto confirm jailor at night I have a new suggestion utilizing the "if I say x I mean y" process.

This is not an encryption, more a confirmation code. It can be a random sentence to be repeated if a random sequence is disallowed.

Night 1: jailed person must reveal role. Jailor tells jail target a random sentence like "Cole shocked my balls".

Day 2: person jailed n1 reveals that he was jailed but ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT reveal the random sentence. The person jailed puts the sentence into his LW in case he is killed N2

Night2: jailor reveals the sentence from the previous night and provides a new random sentence.
One of the two provides a chart of if I say x my role is y. For instance, if I say bumblebee my role is mayor etc.

Day 3: the random sentance from night 1 is revealed by the night 1 jail target. If the night 2 sees that this sentance matches what the jailor said he would then say "bubblebee" otherwise he can reveal that there is a kidnapper. He would also put the new random sentence in his LW and the process repeats.

Its less efficient but it does still prevent a kidnapper from gaining info.

Anyone have a better idea for utilizing the fact only the militia have a jailor N1?

Ugain overhears more jailor stuff. He comes over and looks at everyone. He pulls out a paper that he said earlier.


Jailor can be converted, we have to be careful.


You really dont like this jailor code do you.. Even if the jailor is culted, I would rather know that its not the kidnapper.

(scummy post for trying to detract the conversation away from the one useful thing town is talking about)

[FM Meshuvel]

Ugain overhears more jailor stuff. He comes over and looks at everyone. He pulls out a paper that he said earlier.

Perhaps you would like to elaborate on how we can protect ourselves against the unfortunate scenario of a converted jailor without crippling ourselves.

[FM Ugin]

Perhaps you would like to elaborate on how we can protect ourselves against the unfortunate scenario of a converted jailor without crippling ourselves.

Ugin thinks...

Ugin has a confused face, but then writes down his best guess


If we see execution of towns, we can question it then, however I really don't know a surefire plan.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, Tamiyo, your avatar is prettly small. Can't you pick up a bigger one, hmm?

[FM Xenagos]

Hmm, Tamiyo, your avatar is prettly small. Can't you pick up a bigger one, hmm?

Epic scumtell!

[FM Tessebik]

Hi. Bye.

[FM Xenagos]

Hi. Bye.

*begins to play the taps*

it was nice knowing you.




Thats exactly what went through my head.

[FM Venser]

I beg your pardon for my lateness. The last thing I remember I was kissing a princess... and well, there is plenty of time for details after a pint or two. My name is FM Venser, but my friends call me "Hey Drunk Asshole, That's No Princess..."



By the end of the day, I hope everyone will have posted their answer to Marry, Fuck, Kill

Marry: She's a firecracker in the sack
Fuck: Fuck me? FUCK YOU!
Kill: This Bottle of American Bourbon



Alignment preference - town or scum?
What are more dangerous - the Conduits or the Vermaak?
How often do you anticipate posting each day?


You can find me at the pub across the street in the mornings indulging in the breakfast of the champions if you want to share a drink and conversation. I'm normally blackout from 5:00pm EST onwards so don't bother shaking me out of belligerency.

[FM Tessebik]

*begins to play the taps*

it was nice knowing you.

Don't worry, I live in 'MURICA: NO ONE CAN TOUCH ME!!!

On another note, jailor confirmation is a lot easier than you guys are making it...



Well, I'm well aware of that... but you aren't elaborating. If you are going to start something... be prepared to explain in a little more detail than that.

[FM Chandra Nalaar]

Hi people. It looks like nothing is happening so I don't have a lot to say. I think we need to have a plan for the Soul of the Beast. What do you think it's going to do?


Speculating on the beast.... maybe trying to bait the beast or Cole to reveal something that they might know about it from their own role.

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I guess by the moment when we realize what that thing is going to do, we'll be probably, hmm... already dead. Are you satisfied with this answer, hmm?

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

Hi people. It looks like nothing is happening so I don't have a lot to say. I think we need to have a plan for the Soul of the Beast. What do you think it's going to do?

We cannot create a plan for something when we don't know what it will do. Dumb idea.


True... but laying a trap for for someone to slip is a plan in disguise.

[FM Venser]

I think we need to have a plan for the Soul of the Beast. What do you think it's going to do?

I once courted the Princess of Norway when I was living in Toledo. The problem was, she was secretly courting just about everyone. What I'm trying to say is, she was a man-eater. Once she stepped into town, she seduced everyone, even the Catholic prudes were dueling to the death for her affections. The point is, once a true beast appears, it'll turn you into something you didn't know you could be. Keep an eye out for changes in behaviour.


Change in behavious is also a good way to find culted people or night action information that is being withheld.

[FM Domri Rade]

I've read through the previous and find one post extremely disconcerting, I won't tell you what it is atm, I will probably not be around for a bit.

Please enlighten we who are unworthy. Do not hide the candle under a bowl but let it shine. Brilliance is nothing to hide.


*begins to play the taps*

it was nice knowing you.

Are you saying that darkness will claim Tessebik? This is no statement of light. Repent.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Dang Euros getting the first posts.
Can we all agree that accidentally using a town instead of town isn't a slip? Its just a waste of time and a distraction.

and what's the code for invisible ink?


I'm not European... and...... why would you need the code for invis ink? (besides that was outlawed)

[FM Ral Zarek]

lol invisible ink is not permitted you know

i don't like the fact there is no interesting stuff to read. i'm now offline for a while, see you folks soon

[FM Ral Zarek]

First!

i know you can it! keep trying!

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

Potatojuice and carrotcake, I'm extremely mediocre and has no meaning of this life.

Please excuse me while I make worlds most stupid introduction ever based on this fiction.

[FM Sorin Markov]

Hehehehe....
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, checking in a bit later than I hoped I would.

Honestly surprised to see a 24h day instead of 48h. Oh well.

[FM Domri Rade]

Hehehehe....
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, checking in a bit later than I hoped I would.

Honestly surprised to see a 24h day instead of 48h. Oh well.

Praise the Sun for the opportunity to post this day. Be thankful for what you have.

[FM Nissa Revane]

I have returned. I shall read the thread since I haven't started yet. I was too busy to read and hastily made 2 trolls posts. (: Don't worry my love, I will be talking with you all very soon! <3

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

I'm quite happy for a 24h day 1 atleast because most stuff talked about on D1 is everyone RPing, complaining about people RPing and role list guesses. So, check, check, check. We done for today. :p

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

I'm quite happy for a 24h day 1 atleast because most stuff talked about on D1 is everyone RPing, complaining about people RPing and role list guesses. So, check, check, check. We done for today. :p


It's not always the roleplay.

Simple, it can be the very idea of being social which can give a pre-status of being a lurker.

We can round up from there what characteristic the person may have.

[FM Glissa Sunseeker]

It's not always the roleplay.

Simple, it can be the very idea of being social which can give a pre-status of being a lurker.

We can round up from there what characteristic the person may have.

Sure, but most of the time it isn't quite so useful. We can only label someone a true lurker if there has been barely anything after the second day from one person.



Day 1 lurking does not mean anything at all... in fact, day 1 to me is study setup and skip day... unless I want to manipulate something/someone.

[FM Nissa Revane]

First!

Scum!


I have arrived exclamation point

Scum!


so what shall we do day one question mark should we discuss Vermaak 88s possibilities question mark we all know they will be discussing it between themselves during the night comma we might as well try to determine what they will pick and if we get lucky they might not pick the best roles simply because we would expect them to period

Scum!


Time to examine Vermaaks choices colon

Kidnapper colon with the confirmed detainer on the list of town power roles comma having this role in the line up to counter its effectiveness is almost a must period

Janitor colon being limited to three cleanings and wastes charges if the target survives and having a confirmed coroner that can undo two of them seems underpowered comma ive yet to see a janitors clense be a defining moment in a fm period

Framer colon if the Vermaak are comprised of experienced wifom users comma i wouldnt be surprised to see one or more of these in the lineup comma even if its just to retain their investigation invulnerability period

Consigliere colon even more powerful than an investigator comma he can find exact roles if he needs to which is a great benefit to a team comma id be surprised if Vermaak doesnt take at least one into their lineup period

Consort colon probably wont see any of these this time around comma they have been mostly useless anyways since people try to build a stripper slash escort claim when they have one comma making blocking valuable power roles a death trap period

Sapper colon team suicide period period period you need numbers to win this game colon cant even detonate during the day if he is under fire making his usefulness very limited period

Disguiser colon have mostly been an extra kill early on before anyone can get to know peoples play styles comma the longer people wait the harder it is to find a suitable person to disguise as and not be noticed period targeting a known power role is a suicide mission period

Enforcer colon although it looks appealing to be able to keep your entire team cult free comma its actually a trap since Sasha will know that you cant be converted which will almost reveal your allegiance comma and its not that hard to start a lynch train period

Willbender colon a more powerful role blocker in some respects comma can attract a doc off his target so that someone else in the team can attack that person of interest comma or steal items from smiths comma tie up investigators into checking the same person all the time while not knowing who he is visiting period I wouldnt be surprised if a willbender shows up on vermaaks team period


Summary colon I think the Vermaak team will consist of colon kidnapper comma consigilere comma willbender comma another willbender slash consigilere period

Any one else want to pitch in their thoughts on the possibilities question mark

Scum to Infinity and Beyond! Who the fuck want to encourage what roles they could choose. WTF?


Well comma Im off to work period Be back later when there is more to discuss and more people to talk to period

Scum!


Hey guys.

This should be a fun game and stuff.

I'll be around, but not... quite as the same activity level for those who have played with me before, and know me.

Meanwhile, some questions just to get people talking, if nothing else:

Alignment preference - town or scum?
What are more dangerous - the Conduits or the Vermaak?
How often do you anticipate posting each day?

There obviously aren't many reads available yet, so it'll largely be meta-based. That's okay! I don't know a lot of you yet, in terms of how you may play.

I prefer Scum because I usually get Town a lot more often than Scum.
I think they are both pretty even. The Conduits have Cole, and Vermaak could customize their roles into what they want.
It depend on how often I get to go on. I could spam at any time, at the same time I could lurk. Who knows.


I once courted the Princess of Norway when I was living in Toledo. The problem was, she was secretly courting just about everyone. What I'm trying to say is, she was a man-eater. Once she stepped into town, she seduced everyone, even the Catholic prudes were dueling to the death for her affections. The point is, once a true beast appears, it'll turn you into something you didn't know you could be. Keep an eye out for changes in behaviour.

We should always keep an eye out for changes in behavior.
1. We have Cults in this game. I've seen some people flipped around and changed everything about his behavior when they get converted. Yes, there are some skilled people who can maintain their behavior throughout the game, but it isn't for everyone.
2. Speaking of Cults, which do you think is worse if they recruit Scums or Town?
3. SotB (I am calling Soul of the Beast SotB now, idgaf if you think it is short for something else) could change so much, and I do not really apprehend the role enough. I will not worry about him until he get upgraded.

Anyway I have a fos and I shall tunnel him hard, deep, and thorough. I am sure he will enjoy it.

Anyway I will be around, my love. It is okay to cry when you miss me, but remember I will always be with you all.

Added: Holy shit, didn't realize day was 24 hours. I was totally expecting 48 hours. I should've bothered to check the link, oh well.



"Anyway I have a fos and I shall tunnel him hard, deep, and thorough. I am sure he will enjoy it."
If only you knew how true that statement really was...
making myself look scummy for framer bait and avoid night kills - check! ty

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

The electric Nisan shall lead the town with scum magnets.

Keep at that half almost amusing work.

[FM Venser]

The electric Nisan shall lead the town with scum magnets.


All Hail Nissan to the Maxima!

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

Hey guys, I'm back and I'm going to read through the current day posts... @Nissa Revane's post. Can you please tell me why you would mark a whole bunch of people scum just by the fact that they said they were going away or made a little trolly post?

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

6 members viewing - Boss = 5, Are we all lurking? Seriously, there are a lot of trolly people here and I don't approve of it. I don't care if you like it or not, we WILL lose if you keep this up. When I come back, somebody better have a constructive response to this:

How would you mark people scummy in this game and why?

Should the people talking in third person and making trolly posts be marked scummy?



Please pay attention to cyan text to answer your question in full... troll posts day 1 are what you would expect from this site... so not scummy.

[FM Sandruu]

Good Evening, or morning, depending on where you are. Dropping in to say hello.

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

6 members viewing - Boss = 5, Are we all lurking? Seriously, there are a lot of trolly people here and I don't approve of it. I don't care if you like it or not, we WILL lose if you keep this up. When I come back, somebody better have a constructive response to this:

How would you mark people scummy in this game and why?

Should the people talking in third person and making trolly posts be marked scummy?

1) We should not be marking people scummy based on the fact that they made scummy posts. Even though they might get annoying, it might become a useful tool for us to use later on in the game when they might get recruited into the Reapers. However, we should be basing it on text analysis and some kind of evidence that puts the person accused at a tight spot, and maybe they'll slip then. Until that happens, I don't believe we have room for random lynches.

2) Above.

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

I'll be waiting. Until then, I'll be back.

[FM Chandra Nalaar]

How would you mark people scummy in this game and why?

Should the people talking in third person and making trolly posts be marked scummy?

Probably because they are misleading town/lying about mechanics. Trolling today isn't scummy because theren's nothing else to do.

[FM Meshuvel]

Probably because they are misleading town/lying about mechanics. Trolling today isn't scummy because theren's nothing else to do.

We can discuss what the jailor should do and how he can best take advantage of the fact that he is completely confirmable to his first jail target.

We can discuss current scum tells, I have a few myself but I was gonna wait a little while longer to post it.



I feel bad that no one is listening to you about getting a plan together to identify who jailed who.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

Or they're just afk?

[FM Jace Beleren]

Probably because they are misleading town/lying about mechanics. Trolling today isn't scummy because theren's nothing else to do.

Clearly sir, you don't know what scum hunting is...

I have returned from a council with my advisors by the way -School-. I believe that although the Catholic Pope -Sasha- trying to convert our lovely Orthodox people is very bad, yet the infidel Turks -Cole's Conduits- and the vile Bulgarians -Vermakk- will be troubling as well and we cannot survive a war on two fronts with internal struggle. When the Mongols -The Beast- arrives we shall be continuously pressured. Perhaps we can play our enemies against each other...

So tell me my Byzantine brothers. Shall we waste a perfectly good day one with trolling, or shall we gather info and scum hunt?


(only read the first line as the rest is rubbish)

Clearly Jace does not know what scum hunting is..... Chandra is on the right track.

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

We can discuss current scum tells, I have a few myself but I was gonna wait a little while longer to post it.


Give the tells now so we have something to discuss about constructively.

Delaying this information on a first day? Nay, you're off with the randomize burning.

[FM Meshuvel]

Give the tells now so we have something to discuss about constructively.

Delaying this information on a first day? Nay, you're off with the randomize burning.

I delaying because I wanted to post everything in my updated marry, fuck, kill post and wanted to wait till I got more info but I guess I can post what I have thus far.


How big of a target are you trying to paint? I smell veteran trap or citizen.. most important PRs wouldn't put themselves in such lime light so early on, sometimes its best to just keep quiet.

[FM Jace Beleren]

I delaying because I wanted to post everything in my updated marry, fuck, kill post and wanted to wait till I got more info but I guess I can post what I have thus far.

This would be good. Please do so sir.


see comment on post 125

[FM Baltrice]

Hello
Um this is going to be a official I'm back post to mark returns. It'll contain no other information while I gather things to actually talk about.

[FM Baltrice]

Scum Tells Today:
Nicol ~ Directing the conversation within three posts to be about the Vameerk and their role choices and subtly giving them a bigger advantage over us.

Parcher ~ Active Lurking and speaking in rhyme, which is a really old scum tell. No focus in posts and just replying to posts about him aggressively. No voice either since his posts are content of song phrases.

Gideon Jura ~ Weakly placing votes and suggesting a lynch was possible today. Already shows no hesitancy to stretch grammar and sentences phrases to support his stances. Weakens when his stance is pushed which shows a lack of conviction.

Meshuval ~ Pushing his Marry, Fuck, Kill questions too much and delaying actual conversation/read contribution until being pushed to do so. Too much hyper focus on one aspect of the game.



You have no clue what a scum tell is. Other than my intentional scum post, the other 3 are not scum tells... and Meshuval is the most pro-town player of the day... and NOT giving his reads is PRO-TOWN.

[FM Meshuvel]

Marry: Dack Fayen - first to bring up the fact that our jailor can auto confirm himself to the person he jails tonight
Fuck:
Kill: Gideon Jura - while other people have said they felt the cult was the most dangerous, something about how Gideon says "Sasha and revolutionists should be eliminated as soon as possible" feels scummy. I can't say I disagree, but how would we do that? Is it a pretense to get town ramped up for a mislynch? Also his completely pointless list (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402347&viewfull=1#post402347) whose intent was to make him look like a good contributor but was completely useless.

Lesser Kill: Ugin - only posts on how we should shackle our jailor because he can become cultist, doesn't post any way for us to utilize our jailor. Contributed to the discussion on optimal Vermakk choices



Have to agree on most points, except that since its day 1, I wouldn't be so hard on Gideon. But you are right on for Ugin trying to detract from your jailor plan so openly... others detracted too but they did so mostly by ignoring you instead of pointing out flaws in the plan.

[FM Jace Beleren]

Scum Tells Today:
Nicol ~ Directing the conversation within three posts to be about the Vameerk and their role choices and subtly giving them a bigger advantage over us.

Parcher ~ Active Lurking and speaking in rhyme, which is a really old scum tell. No focus in posts and just replying to posts about him aggressively. No voice either since his posts are content of song phrases.

Gideon Jura ~ Weakly placing votes and suggesting a lynch was possible today. Already shows no hesitancy to stretch grammar and sentences phrases to support his stances. Weakens when his stance is pushed which shows a lack of conviction.

Meshuval ~ Pushing his Marry, Fuck, Kill questions too much and delaying actual conversation/read contribution until being pushed to do so. Too much hyper focus on one aspect of the game.

Tell me sir. If you could put any of them at the top of the hostile -scum- list, which would it be and why would they be more so than the others? Also, what about the bottom? Or are they already in said order?

[FM Baltrice]

Tell me sir. If you could put any of them at the top of the hostile -scum- list, which would it be and why would they be more so than the others? Also, what about the bottom? Or are they already in said order?

The only difference would be a switch between Parcher and Gideon. My reasoning for this would be because of the show of hand on Gideon at stretching sentences to his liking while Parcher is just guilty of near mindless trolling.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

can someone post up a text version of the role cards?
if no one does this by the weekend, i'll do it, but am busy for the next 24 hours. still reading along though.

[FM Baltrice]

can someone post up a text version of the role cards?
if no one does this by the weekend, i'll do it, but am busy for the next 24 hours. still reading along though.

Not to demean this request but the hosts did ask for calls of text role cards before the game began.
However, even with that being said, I won't look down on anyone obliging this request to much because there is the chance that people didn't have a good window of time to do so and it would assist them in participating in the game.



If someone asks for something that will help some people read the setup... you shouldn't give reasons why you are refusing... at least don't do it so obviously. Should have just kept quiet.

(scum points added)

[FM Jace Beleren]

Marry: Dack Fayen - first to bring up the fact that our jailor can auto confirm himself to the person he jails tonight
Fuck:
Kill: Gideon Jura - while other people have said they felt the cult was the most dangerous, something about how Gideon says "Sasha and revolutionists should be eliminated as soon as possible" feels scummy. I can't say I disagree, but how would we do that? Is it a pretense to get town ramped up for a mislynch? Also his completely pointless list (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402347&viewfull=1#post402347) whose intent was to make him look like a good contributor but was completely useless.

Lesser Kill: Ugin - only posts on how we should shackle our jailor because he can become cultist, doesn't post any way for us to utilize our jailor. Contributed to the discussion on optimal Vermakk choices

I personally find it that they very well may be Turks/Bulgarians -Cole's Conduits/Vermakk- trying to shift the focus to one of their enemies and away from themselves, and the others not possibly seeing through such thought it was a good idea. -Which it still is, yet most people would already know this and would not need to be told otherwise- Or perhaps it is a way to appear useful and gain townpoints without actually being town.

[FM Baltrice]

Tit for Tat Jace.

Would you respond in kind?

[FM Meshuvel]

Scum Tells Today:
Nicol ~ Directing the conversation within three posts to be about the Vameerk and their role choices and subtly giving them a bigger advantage over us.

Parcher ~ Active Lurking and speaking in rhyme, which is a really old scum tell. No focus in posts and just replying to posts about him aggressively. No voice either since his posts are content of song phrases.

Gideon Jura ~ Weakly placing votes and suggesting a lynch was possible today. Already shows no hesitancy to stretch grammar and sentences phrases to support his stances. Weakens when his stance is pushed which shows a lack of conviction.

Meshuval ~ Pushing his Marry, Fuck, Kill questions too much and delaying actual conversation/read contribution until being pushed to do so. Too much hyper focus on one aspect of the game.

Pushing it too much? I made two posts about it and only in the first did I ask anyone else to do it. In the second I only expressed my intent to follow through with what I said in the first.


Glad you called him out on that.

[FM Baltrice]

Pushing it too much? I made two posts about it and only in the first did I ask anyone else to do it. In the second I only expressed my intent to follow through with what I said in the first.

In the second you delayed more informative information in favor of your questionnaire thingy. Which is pushing.
I see that you've taken offense to my statement. Why?


He should have delayed information right till day 2... he didn't need a reason other than its day 1 no lynch.

[FM Chandra Nalaar]

I agree that Meshuval, my fellow American patrior, doesn't seem Scummy to me. His posts are mostly trying to be helpful like yours Baltrice.


Meshuval not being scummy: agreed
Baltrice being useful: questionable

[FM Baltrice]

I agree that Meshuval, my fellow American patrior, doesn't seem Scummy to me. His posts are mostly trying to be helpful like yours Baltrice.

I understand. But take in context that this is Day One with few checks in thus far. It makes the scum reads less impacting.
I am now just questioning his intent with his questions and his post voice

[FM Nissa Revane]

Hey guys, I'm back and I'm going to read through the current day posts... @Nissa Revane's post. Can you please tell me why you would mark a whole bunch of people scum just by the fact that they said they were going away or made a little trolly post?

Did you look at who I said were scum? Not a whole bunch of people, but one person.


6 members viewing - Boss = 5, Are we all lurking? Seriously, there are a lot of trolly people here and I don't approve of it. I don't care if you like it or not, we WILL lose if you keep this up. When I come back, somebody better have a constructive response to this:

How would you mark people scummy in this game and why?

Should the people talking in third person and making trolly posts be marked scummy?

From my experience, both town AND scum do this. Town usually stop in a few days so while scums do it until the end. Town usually want people to not read them YET, while scums will not want people to read them entire game. I usually find people doing this during a Cult Game so they will avoid getting converted.

I did something similar to this once.

[FM Baltrice]

ah, i have forgotten to mention that continuing to focus discussion on the jailor and his potential codes creates more opportunity for scum to counter such things. discussion is nice but over discussion is not.


His continuing discussion about the jailor....
Discussion involves multiple people, what Meshuval was doing was mostly a monologue with everyone ignoring him.. poor guy.
I'd like to see a kidnapper try to find a counter to a code system that he doesn't have the pieces to the puzzle to.

[FM Meshuvel]

ah, i have forgotten to mention that continuing to focus discussion on the jailor and his potential codes creates more opportunity for scum to counter such things. discussion is nice but over discussion is not.

I did not consider that, I couldn't think of a way for scum to counter the methods I proposed.

Also, has anyone ever told you that obscurity is the worst form of defense? You should design a secure system in such a way that if an attacker knows all aspects about it, can not pierce it. That is what I was trying to do with all the jailor posts I made.

[FM Domri Rade]

ah, i have forgotten to mention that continuing to focus discussion on the jailor and his potential codes creates more opportunity for scum to counter such things. discussion is nice but over discussion is not.

Show us your brilliance. What shall we discuss? Please do not hold back. Shower us with your light. We who cower in the dark need the light.

[FM Nissa Revane]

ah, i have forgotten to mention that continuing to focus discussion on the jailor and his potential codes creates more opportunity for scum to counter such things. discussion is nice but over discussion is not.

Exactly! I seen town waste an entire day 1 waste their discussion on a specific role only that that role dies night 1.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

You guys are wasting your time scum hunting day 1 comma no one has any more information than anyone else other than their role card period And you guys underestimate scum comma orange team have a full night to discuss what they want to do and plan accordingly comma voicing their options here is pretty much what theyll be talking about at night period I mean come on comma dont you think they have brains and can figure out what roles are best for them question mark Its obvious period

But since you are all paranoid about that comma how about we discuss how Joseph Bertrand should use his role question mark Personally I think that being able to lynch multiple people a couple times outweighs more votes since mayors in the past havent really come into play other than making others hold their vote back because mayor can hammer period If it comes down to the point where we need a mayor with extra votes then town has already lost and not to mention a culted mayor with more votes is much worse than a culted marshall period

With all the scum Prs around comma I would advise against town PRs revealing too fast even if you have some info period Youll only be limiting your usefulness in the long run with Lucy out there not to mention youll be tying up the healing PRs to keep you alive slash non culted period



So this post serves multiple purposes,
1- I'm telling all the scum that they don't need to defend themselves if someone FoSes them day 1.
2- I'm reinforcing my list to the orange team.
3- I'm setting up a emergency plan should the investigator check me night 1: because I want to talk about the mayors options and the mayor is in my invest pairing, I would hope that the invest would assume that I could be the mayor and keep quiet... hopefully until he is killed and possibly cleaned by Nix.
4- I'm also pushing for investigative PRs to delay revealing everything they learn, again... hoping that they might be killed and cleaned before said info becomes public.

[FM Baltrice]

I did not consider that, I couldn't think of a way for scum to counter the methods I proposed.

Also, has anyone ever told you that obscurity is the worst form of defense? You should design a secure system in such a way that if an attacker knows all aspects about it, can not pierce it. That is what I was trying to do with all the jailor posts I made.

The issue is that we are not dealing with machines but people. People make mistakes and that weakens this defense you are talking about.

I would like you to also answer the previous question I asked you as we continue on.
Onto the Jailor topic. I am not suggesting, as you seem to be implying, that we leave the jailor to his own devices and hope for the best. I do take offense to this as you would be twisting my words in that regard. I am only saying that we should not detail our plans to the letter as to leave scum in the dark, where they belong.



No... he isn't twisting your words, you are trying to get him to shut up before any plan is formulated. You are a little less obvious than Ugin but its clear you do not want this conversation to continue. Le Scum or le dumb town.

[FM Baltrice]

Show us your brilliance. What shall we discuss? Please do not hold back. Shower us with your light. We who cower in the dark need the light.

As always, I prefer question and answer. For example I would be asking you why you desire someone to show you illumination instead of shining your own brilliance on us.


You guys are wasting your time scum hunting day 1 comma no one has any more information than anyone else other than their role card period And you guys underestimate scum comma orange team have a full night to discuss what they want to do and plan accordingly comma voicing their options here is pretty much what theyll be talking about at night period I mean come on comma dont you think they have brains and can figure out what roles are best for them question mark Its obvious period

But since you are all paranoid about that comma how about we discuss how Joseph Bertrand should use his role question mark Personally I think that being able to lynch multiple people a couple times outweighs more votes since mayors in the past havent really come into play other than making others hold their vote back because mayor can hammer period If it comes down to the point where we need a mayor with extra votes then town has already lost and not to mention a culted mayor with more votes is much worse than a culted marshall period

With all the scum Prs around comma I would advise against town PRs revealing too fast even if you have some info period Youll only be limiting your usefulness in the long run with Lucy out there not to mention youll be tying up the healing PRs to keep you alive slash non culted period

This was why you are first on my list friend.



Just making sure I end up on other peoples list as well... at least the lesser experienced ones list. But truth be told, scumhunting day1 only serves to paint targets and potentially reveal PRs, which should be avoided... thus why scumhunting day 1 is bad. (site meta thinks its good)

[FM Domri Rade]

A citizen should step up and take the mantle. There is a confirmed priest in the incandescent rolelist. If there is an enlightened, confirmed town who cannot be converted to the true darkness then the shades will have to fear an organized town.



So, this plan was bad for multiple reasons:
1- If revolutionists were in the game, you would be my number 1 person to interrogate
2- Citizen hunting is the same as PR hunting... except backwards, you are telling the scum who not to kill
3- Painting a target for a potential enforcer

[FM Chandra Nalaar]

Are you sayings citizens should say their role?

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

A citizen should step up and take the mantle. There is a confirmed priest in the incandescent rolelist. If there is an enlightened, confirmed town who cannot be converted to the true darkness then the shades will have to fear an organized town.


This Mr. Loveheart Stronglight Sol Guy may have some interesting visitor during the night.

Elaborate "organized town" because I have my doubts on that happening, the game will more likely result chaotic.

Cannot be converted, yes. Can be killed? Yes. Can be trusted? Who knows.

[FM Baltrice]

Are you sayings citizens should say their role?
He would like a Citizen to reveal, and thus converted to Mason, and take up Town Leader and begin directing conversations, lynch targets, and publicly FoS people they suspect.

[FM Domri Rade]

As always, I prefer question and answer. For example I would be asking you why you desire someone to show you illumination instead of shining your own brilliance on us.

I wish to aid the lightbringers. My words have no weight behind them. You wish to increase your standing in the light. My devotion to the light makes me stand aside for those who want it.

[FM Domri Rade]

Are you sayings citizens should say their role?

Just one citizen would be enough for this divine mission

[FM Baltrice]

This Mr. Loveheart Stronglight Sol Guy may have some interesting visitor during the night.

Elaborate "organized town" because I have my doubts on that happening, the game will more likely result chaotic.

Cannot be converted, yes. Can be killed? Yes. Can be trusted? Who knows.

Interesting doubt. Would you be suggesting that a scum would step into those shoes to mislead us?

[FM Kiora Atua]

Hello, my dears. I have finally surmounted this mountain, and the view is magnificent.

I believe all discussion is useful. With discussion comes analysis. With analysis comes reads. With reads comes informed pressure.

I am wary of those that do not utilize the first day to its full potential, be it great or small.

I ask Nicol Bolas to cease with his dictation of punctuation. It adds difficulty for me in reading his posts, and I note that it artificially inflates his words.



As I pointed out before, site meta is that discussion day 1 is good... I view it as helping scum.

[FM Meshuvel]

The issue is that we are not dealing with machines but people. People make mistakes and that weakens this defense you are talking about.

I would like you to also answer the previous question I asked you as we continue on.
Onto the Jailor topic. I am not suggesting, as you seem to be implying, that we leave the jailor to his own devices and hope for the best. I do take offense to this as you would be twisting my words in that regard. I am only saying that we should not detail our plans to the letter as to leave scum in the dark, where they belong.

It was not my intention to imply that, I was merely explaining my own action. I assume the previous question to which you are referring is why I took offense to your statement. I felt like with that statement and the previous question relating to it, that you were using too strong of words. Like you were going on the offensive on me.



You revealed to me that your willpower is a little low and you can cave to bullying... this is useful for me later on when I want to manipulate people. Basically, if you bark at me, all I need to do is bark louder to get you to back off.

[FM Baltrice]

I wish to aid the lightbringers. My words have no weight behind them. You wish to increase your standing in the light. My devotion to the light makes me stand aside for those who want it.

Im afraid you have misunderstood what I do. I care little for how people view me. I only want things clear and have reasonable discussion for the Day One timeframe.

[FM Meshuvel]

He would like a Citizen to reveal, and thus converted to Mason, and take up Town Leader and begin directing conversations, lynch targets, and publicly FoS people they suspect.

I like this. In fact, I support it.

[FM Domri Rade]

This Mr. Loveheart Stronglight Sol Guy may have some interesting visitor during the night.

Elaborate "organized town" because I have my doubts on that happening, the game will more likely result chaotic.

Cannot be converted, yes. Can be killed? Yes. Can be trusted? Who knows.

Just as darkness is the absence of light, so too chaos is the absence of order and organization. Powerful beings of light can counter others who seek the same light. If there is order, these instances will diminish.

[FM Domri Rade]

Im afraid you have misunderstood what I do. I care little for how people view me. I only want things clear and have reasonable discussion for the Day One timeframe.

You say one thing but do another. I hope you do not fall to darkness.

[FM Baltrice]

It was not my intention to imply that, I was merely explaining my own action. I assume the previous question to which you are referring is why I took offense to your statement. I felt like with that statement and the previous question relating to it, that you were using too strong of words. Like you were going on the offensive on me.

Understandable fear of being focused. Now onward I believe that the current conversation we had about the Jailor should prove adequate for Day One and we can pick this up again later on when we would have a better direction for the conversation to go in, I.E a jailed target.

You have no doubt read up on the others and their posts here recently. What is your opinion of them?

[FM Meshuvel]

Interesting doubt. Would you be suggesting that a scum would step into those shoes to mislead us?

While possible it would be very risky for the scum. A real priest could easily counterclaim. I would only fear a scum pretending to be a priest if a priest had died without mentioning in his LW whether or not the claimed priest could be trusted.


True, but at the same time, it would reveal the most powerful town roles before any new converts and all scum should help eliminate him.

On a side note, Good job reminding masons to write a last will.

[FM Baltrice]

You say one thing but do another. I hope you do not fall to darkness.

It keeps my fellow players on their toes and proves enjoyable. I won't deny this statement.
However I will respond. It is only half true. I do as I have said. But I say many things while this occurs.

[FM Baltrice]

I don't want the statement to pass unnoticed.


[COLOR="#DDA0DD"][SIZE=1][CENTER]This Mr. Loveheart Stronglight Sol Guy may have some interesting visitor during the night.


This is a leading statement. Why did you feel the need to comment as such?

[FM Domri Rade]

While possible it would be very risky for the scum. A real priest could easily counterclaim. I would only fear a scum pretending to be a priest if a priest had died without mentioning in his LW whether or not the claimed priest could be trusted.

The greatest tool for town is enlightening others. Any priest with a heart of darkness would fail to make a last will. A priest with a heart of light will do well to record everything.

[FM Kiora Atua]

1) We should not be marking people scummy based on the fact that they made scummy posts. Even though they might get annoying, it might become a useful tool for us to use later on in the game when they might get recruited into the Reapers. However, we should be basing it on text analysis and some kind of evidence that puts the person accused at a tight spot, and maybe they'll slip then. Until that happens, I don't believe we have room for random lynches.

2) Above.

Dear prophet, do you not believe that words cannot reveal one's nature? For do you not profess that a bad tree shall bear bad fruit, but a good tree shall bear good fruit?


He would like a Citizen to reveal, and thus converted to Mason, and take up Town Leader and begin directing conversations, lynch targets, and publicly FoS people they suspect.

This gem of wisdom bears no flaws to my naked eye.


The greatest tool for town is enlightening others. Any priest with a heart of darkness would fail to make a last will. A priest with a heart of light will do well to record everything.

All should bear notes of their endeavors on their person. He who has greater influence bears a greater burden to provide such to all in the event of their absence.



no flaws eh? .. what about the ones I mentioned in this commentary?

[FM Parcher]

No lynch day + I can't see my post count go up

Is there even motivation to post? AFK




Your playstyle tells me that you do not fear looking scummy according to the sites meta... this could mean that you are either a very experience fm player or one of the circlejerk trolls. Either way, if you pressured me, I would have a hard time to make you back off.

[FM Domri Rade]

Dear prophet, do you not believe that words cannot reveal one's nature? For do you not profess that a bad tree shall bear bad fruit, but a good tree shall bear good fruit?
This is true. But the forces of darkness will attempt to deceive. Be wary of everyone. Very few are all bad or all good.


This gem of wisdom bears no flaws to my naked eye.
There are no flaws with enlightenment of the masses.



All should bear notes of their endeavors on their person. He who has greater influence bears a greater burden to provide such to all in the event of their absence.

This is truth for the ages.



sooo.. why are the obvious flaws going unnoticed?

[FM Domri Rade]

No lynch day + I can't see my post count go up

Is there even motivation to post? AFK

The path of light is its own reward. If you continue in your path you will aid the shades who seek to destroy the light.

[FM Jace Beleren]

Forgive me for the time it took to make this statement. My messenger fainted from heat exhaustion -Comp's internal fan died and comp shut off- and as such I am using the "ratchet ass method of using an external fan to cool it down..."


Tit for Tat Jace.

Would you respond in kind?

I would assume this means you are asking me for my scum reads. I'll give you my two more prominent ones, the rest require me to see any possible changes in behavior over the next few days.

FM Nicol Bolas: Post 147. He is attempted to discourage scum hunting, he gives a reason as to why, yet it is a very bad reason. Also his apparent desire to use punctuation fully written out in words is highly annoying and makes me have difficulty understanding what he is saying. It could be RP which is what I do with the Byzantium thing, yet I have the decency to put the actual words inside dashes to explain what I am saying, and it actually adds up to make sense -atleast I believe it does-. Whereas with his posts the need for punctuation is so high over half his posts are punctuation words, and it is likely to make his posts longer and seem more useful than they really are. He seems highly intent on the Bulgarians -Vermakk-, and honestly I believe him to be a Turk -Cole's Conduits-, as I am unsure if Sasha or a Neutral would attempt to pull something. If we were able to lynch today I would put my vote onto him.

Domri Rade: -RP sentence-This Catholic zealot speaks of the light of his church.-RP sentence- I do not like his idea of having a Citizen claim to lead at the moment, as there is nothing preventing a scum from claiming it. Although a Priest of our most Orthodox church could prove him a Citizen or not, there is nothing preventing him from claiming an Enforcer targeted him if he is a Bulgar -Vermaak-, or an actual Citizen claiming and an Enforcer actually targeting him to make him appear to not be a Citizen as he says he is, thus getting him killed, and possibly the priest afterwards for being blamed for lying about whom he targeted -or simply to reveal the Priest-. This could possibly be an attempt to waste Byzantium's -The Town's- time and possibly damage us.



Your analysis about me is a little off (I blame site meta), but finally! someone pointed out one of the flaws.

[FM Domri Rade]

Jace you have found a flaw that I did not see. I thank you. Light guide you.

If two such citizens volunteer to join that shrine of illumination, would you consent to that modification? The priest has a choice and the forces of darkness have chances. This change slants the plan to the light's benefit.




Facepalm... sure lets citizen hunt some more. Heck, why not make it easy mode for scum to hit PRs. I consider this scummy but at the same time just stupid town.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

nicol, typing like that is just annoying. it makes it very difficult to read, and players might just skim it
please reconsider your typing method.




players might just skim it.... thats what I want! lol

[FM Jace Beleren]

Jace you have found a flaw that I did not see. I thank you. Light guide you.

If two such citizens volunteer to join that shrine of illumination, would you consent to that modification? The priest has a choice and the forces of darkness have chances. This change slants the plan to the light's benefit.

The Enforcer can target two people a night. Also there is nothing stopping a Bulgar -Vulmaak- from claiming and then claiming an Enforcer targeted him.



GASP! you read role cards

[FM Domri Rade]

The Enforcer can target two people a night. Also there is nothing stopping a Bulgar -Vulmaak- from claiming and then claiming an Enforcer targeted him.

My mind is flawed. May I be so grossly incandescent. Would three be a good change?



Bang head!

[FM Jace Beleren]

My mind is flawed. May I be so grossly incandescent. Would three be a good change?

The Vermaak could still claim. Also the Vermaak could easily kill one of them and Enforce the other two, a Surgeon -Medic- would have trouble figuring out whom to target amongst the three. Also four is far too many, and three itself is too many.

[FM Baltrice]

Yes. We get it. Nicol's typing is annoying. We don't need fifteen people to say that however.



but I want them to say it - makes me bigger framer bait

[FM Jace Beleren]

The Bulgars -Vermaak- could still claim. Also the Bulgar -Vermaak- could easily kill one of them and Enforce the other two, a Surgeon -Medic- would have trouble figuring out whom to target amongst the three. Also four is far too many, and three itself is too many.

Simple RP fix.

[FM Baltrice]

My mind is flawed. May I be so grossly incandescent. Would three be a good change?

The more people we have claiming on day one, the more chaos we get.

[FM Domri Rade]

The Vermaak could still claim. Also the Vermaak could easily kill one of them and Enforce the other two, a Surgeon -Medic- would have trouble figuring out whom to target amongst the three. Also four is far too many, and three itself is too many.

You come across a brilliant point, quite by accident. If the orange shades devote too many of their unholy resources then they will ignore those who can shine in the night.

[FM Domri Rade]

The more people we have claiming on day one, the more chaos we get.

Chaos is what you make out of it. Controlled claiming is more illuminating than the whims of fate and others.

[FM Jace Beleren]

Yes. We get it. Nicol's typing is annoying. We don't need fifteen people to say that however.

I stated more than that it is just annoying sir.

[FM Meshuvel]

Forgive me for the time it took to make this statement. My messenger fainted from heat exhaustion -Comp's internal fan died and comp shut off- and as such I am using the "ratchet ass method of using an external fan to cool it down..."



I would assume this means you are asking me for my scum reads. I'll give you my two more prominent ones, the rest require me to see any possible changes in behavior over the next few days.

FM Nicol Bolas: Post 147. He is attempted to discourage scum hunting, he gives a reason as to why, yet it is a very bad reason. Also his apparent desire to use punctuation fully written out in words is highly annoying and makes me have difficulty understanding what he is saying. It could be RP which is what I do with the Byzantium thing, yet I have the decency to put the actual words inside dashes to explain what I am saying, and it actually adds up to make sense -atleast I believe it does-. Whereas with his posts the need for punctuation is so high over half his posts are punctuation words, and it is likely to make his posts longer and seem more useful than they really are. He seems highly intent on the Bulgarians -Vermakk-, and honestly I believe him to be a Turk -Cole's Conduits-, as I am unsure if Sasha or a Neutral would attempt to pull something. If we were able to lynch today I would put my vote onto him.

Domri Rade: -RP sentence-This Catholic zealot speaks of the light of his church.-RP sentence- I do not like his idea of having a Citizen claim to lead at the moment, as there is nothing preventing a scum from claiming it. Although a Priest of our most Orthodox church could prove him a Citizen or not, there is nothing preventing him from claiming an Enforcer targeted him if he is a Bulgar -Vermaak-, or an actual Citizen claiming and an Enforcer actually targeting him to make him appear to not be a Citizen as he says he is, thus getting him killed, and possibly the priest afterwards for being blamed for lying about whom he targeted -or simply to reveal the Priest-. This could possibly be an attempt to waste Byzantium's -The Town's- time and possibly damage us.

Though there are no enforcers on night 1

[FM Jace Beleren]

Though there are no enforcers on night 1

And later nights however?

[FM Jace Beleren]

Though there are no enforcers on night 1

Also they could still be killed and would you want a Surgeon -Doctor- on a citizen rather than a PR?

[FM Domri Rade]

And later nights however?

The town needs one who can shower light upon us. If he should be taken then another will arise. All the town needs is one who is in the light and everyone knows.

[FM Meshuvel]

And later nights however?

We just have to pick 1 cit to do it tonight. There is nothing to stop the priest unless Coles consort gets lucky, or a killer gets him.

If the priest is unable to convert him then we found our first lynch target.

[FM Jace Beleren]

I am going to a banquet in my honor -Dinner-. I shall return when I am finished.

[FM Meshuvel]

Also even if we don't want to trust the cit turned priest claimer can anyone give me a reason why we shouldn't have 1 cit reveal himself so we can have at least 2 definite priests before the vermakk get their roles?

[FM Domri Rade]

Also even if we don't want to trust the cit turned priest claimer can anyone give me a reason why we shouldn't have 1 cit reveal himself so we can have at least 2 definite priests before the vermakk get their roles?

This silence bodes agreement with the plan. However, the silence yields no citizen claims. Light shine upon us, give us a brave citizen to face the darkness.

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

I'd like to commentate that any roleplay may be a town slip, scum slip or scum magnet, for the following reason ;

The roleplay fit in the style or will be forced to. For example Domri Rade, acting as a part of the light.

You can assume this may be a play from the role. A priest, or a Citizen that may "bread crump" or even a "random guy". How can we know that this "random guy" may not become a victim to cult, becoming the risk gambit that we fear?

If it's not a scum, scum may take the advantage of him being checked as innocent before converting him making us all oblivious, increasing the danger of the risk gambit.

Take this very same logic to everyone else, a pattern may start to grow. This sets a premature chaos that is soon to engulf the game.

This may force us to analyze behavior changes and buddy with another more intense than true clues.

It's all on my opinion, take it as you wish.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

A few problems in your strategy colon
1 dash you are forgetting about possible revolutionists
2 dash who said that orange team cant take an enforcer an enforce the same night question mark I thought it would only be the kidnapper who cant act since its a day action and not a night action

I have my own reasons why Im writting out punctuation comma maybe some of you can figure it out without me spelling it out for you period Funny thing is some of you have figured it out but havent seen it in the right way period

Also I focused on Vermaak today because we already know the conduits roles and there isnt much to discuss about them until night action start flowing in period and Sasha is immune to investigations so there isnt much to say about her either period And until we can get an idea what the random killing neutral is there is no point in hunting him until tomorrow period So yes comma I focused my time on Vermaak today and a bit on Bertrand since there isnt much else to talk about on this no lynch day with no actions preceding this day period

If you guys want to nit pick at straws on day one without having any basis for your theories then go ahead comma I however will focus more on information that I want to know about before this game goes into high gear period



Masons are a problem for me later, so I decided to lend Jace a hand in exposing some flaws in the cit reveal plan. As for why I was writting out my punctuation, it was so I would remembered easily as well as being a magnet (attract framers and information scum vs repulse town PRs and scum killers [easier mislynch target]).
Also throwing out a small explanation as to my stance on scumhunting so that it doesn't look as bad as the site meta thinks it is.

[FM Tamiyo]

I'd like to assert this line of discussion is useless atm, I'd like to urge a single citizen to step forward, so we can then proceed to discuss other options.

[FM Meshuvel]

I'd like to assert this line of discussion is useless atm, I'd like to urge a single citizen to step forward, so we can then proceed to discuss other options.

We still have 12 hours until night, there is plenty of time for a citizen to step forward.

[FM Baltrice]

I'd like to assert this line of discussion is useless atm, I'd like to urge a single citizen to step forward, so we can then proceed to discuss other options.

Bring something up.
For example you could have said that continuing this line of discussion isn't going to help us anymore. Instead we should talk about how to prevent the possibility of a disguiser

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

I'd like to step up not as a Citizen, but as a Militia Member which is the more correct role. I wish to partake in the priesthood.

Is there any objections? If not, we have a set plan.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

Disguiser isnt that big of a threat comma its a one shot deal that if fails cant try again period Like I pointed out in my role summary disguisers rarely successfully hide in their new identity unless they pick someone early or someone that is inactive slash lurking period If anything its an inconvenience that an extra person dies comma that we might not know their role period He could accidentally take out a different scum since he would probably target someone who isnt in the spot light period

Hmm just thought of something that I should ask in FAQ period



Emphasizing orange NOT to take disguiser.

[FM Masrath]

Salutations.

From this point forward, you will all consider me to be scummy, and your suspicions will only grow as the game goes on.

As of right now, I have very, very little time to devote to this game. Come Tuesday, however, I may find myself with nothing but time. Only time itself will tell.



Ok, so you don't have time to post until Tuesday: not scummy... unless you dont post Tuesday. But thanks for the heads up.

[FM Jaya Ballard]

Hey everyone. I have arrived and so many posts to read through.

[FM Jace Beleren]

I have returned.



I'd like to step up not as a Citizen, but as a Militia Member which is the more correct role. I wish to partake in the priesthood.

Is there any objections? If not, we have a set plan.

No problem with that. Although I'm currently trying to figure out your new life expectancy after that due to the fact that I doubt the scum want you alive and I am not sure a Surgeon -Medic- would heal you over a PR.


Salutations.

From this point forward, you will all consider me to be scummy, and your suspicions will only grow as the game goes on.

As of right now, I have very, very little time to devote to this game. Come Tuesday, however, I may find myself with nothing but time. Only time itself will tell.

... Tuesday... thats only days away...

And when that day comes we will likely see you not contribute anything.

[FM Sarkhan Vol]

No problem with that. Although I'm currently trying to figure out your new life expectancy after that due to the fact that I doubt the scum want you alive and I am not sure a Surgeon -Medic- would heal you over a PR.


If the Surgeon decide to heal someone else, it better not be an asshole that will degrade the game.

A force of priests may be weak at the start, but in the endgame it may be our last hope. Maybe? Perhaps? We'll see.

I'll protect myself from a disguiser with this ; If I'm recruited early on and the Priest is informed, the trick I have left on will be instantly seen.

[FM Meshuvel]

If the Surgeon decide to heal someone else, it better not be an asshole that will degrade the game.

A force of priests may be weak at the start, but in the endgame it may be our last hope. Maybe? Perhaps? We'll see.

I'll protect myself from a disguiser with this ; If I'm recruited early on and the Priest is informed, the trick I have left on will be instantly seen.

Not sure a surgeon will have a better choice to heal for the time being.


Off the top of my head, I can think of you.... >.>

[FM Masrath]

... Tuesday... thats only days away...

And when that day comes we will likely see you not contribute anything.

Yeah, who am I kidding? That has been the trend in the past hasn't it?

But I would like to turn over a new leaf. It's kind of a hurtful truth that you can already assume I won't contribute much.

[FM Ugin]

Everyone notices the Ugain has gotten up from his nap. He wanders on over to see what has happened.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Hello. Sengir checking in. Haven't read much yet. Just wanted to let everyone know I'm here. It's really unlike me to be out and talking during the day, being a vampire and all. We generally prefer the night. And before anyone asks- no, I don't sparkle.

I'm hoping I'm not too late in saying this, but don't speculate on Vermaak 88 roles today, because if I understood correctly they will be choosing them tonight, and I'd rather not give them advice on doing so. I'll be speculating on what they will choose privately though, and will post my theories tomorrow because by then their roles will be chosen and locked.

If you've already done this, just... Don't do it anymore. Until Day 2.



Insert huge innocent smiley face here

[FM Kiora Atua]

Not sure a surgeon will have a better choice to heal for the time being.

Meshuvel speaks the honorable truth as I see it. Consider of the 35 possible roles, a reasonable portion would be poor choices. I stand by the idea that an outed member of the most noble Militia (the claimed Sarkhan Vol) would be the best target for medication. By what else may the Medic distinguish between the choices that lie within the night? For tonight, actions occur based on the contents of our words and faces, and Sarkhan has distinguished himself from the pack with his claim of role.


Yeah, who am I kidding? That has been the trend in the past hasn't it?

But I would like to turn over a new leaf. It's kind of a hurtful truth that you can already assume I won't contribute much.

Assumptions are drawn from you have already claimed shall occur, and what often occurs with such claims. Would you expect any less?

[FM Baltrice]

Masrath, you know the best thing about meta, like in this case, it changeable. So change it.

[FM Baltrice]

In any case Im heading to bed. Gnite

[FM Ugin]

Ugin gathers a lot of paper and starts to write stuff down.


lol invisible ink is not permitted you know

i don't like the fact there is no interesting stuff to read. i'm now offline for a while, see you folks soon

Ugin highlights the word thinking that is is scummy that he says that. He notes that many times scums say that


Hehehehe....
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, checking in a bit later than I hoped I would.

Honestly surprised to see a 24h day instead of 48h. Oh well.

Ugin greets you with a smile and giggles as well.


6 members viewing - Boss = 5, Are we all lurking? Seriously, there are a lot of trolly people here and I don't approve of it. I don't care if you like it or not, we WILL lose if you keep this up. When I come back, somebody better have a constructive response to this:

How would you mark people scummy in this game and why?

Should the people talking in third person and making trolly posts be marked scummy?

Ugin see that he wants something to be answered

He starts writing the following;


Mark them scummy based off their activities and posts

Doing RP can look scummy because of its trolly way, if you notice, I am contributing


Probably because they are misleading town/lying about mechanics. Trolling today isn't scummy because theren's nothing else to do.

Ugin looks at that and thinks there can be plenty to do. He also thinks everyones trolling has valuable information hidden.


Marry: Dack Fayen - first to bring up the fact that our jailor can auto confirm himself to the person he jails tonight
Fuck:
Kill: Gideon Jura - while other people have said they felt the cult was the most dangerous, something about how Gideon says "Sasha and revolutionists should be eliminated as soon as possible" feels scummy. I can't say I disagree, but how would we do that? Is it a pretense to get town ramped up for a mislynch? Also his completely pointless list (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24273-Day-I-The-Real-Chronicles-of-New-Marais?p=402347&viewfull=1#post402347) whose intent was to make him look like a good contributor but was completely useless.

Lesser Kill: Ugin - only posts on how we should shackle our jailor because he can become cultist, doesn't post any way for us to utilize our jailor. Contributed to the discussion on optimal Vermakk choices

Ugin thinks he has good point about himself, but he should know that he is looking at possibilities that can happen. Ugin thinks that he thinks the plan is foolproof but Ugin notices the flaw. Ugin isn't sure of a way to counter it but gave it his best guess.


Salutations.

From this point forward, you will all consider me to be scummy, and your suspicions will only grow as the game goes on.

As of right now, I have very, very little time to devote to this game. Come Tuesday, however, I may find myself with nothing but time. Only time itself will tell.

Ugin greets and thinks you are good.


Hey everyone. I have arrived and so many posts to read through.

Ugin greets you and giggles at how he has a lot of reading to do. Ugin had to do the same thing.


Hello. Sengir checking in. Haven't read much yet. Just wanted to let everyone know I'm here. It's really unlike me to be out and talking during the day, being a vampire and all. We generally prefer the night. And before anyone asks- no, I don't sparkle.

I'm hoping I'm not too late in saying this, but don't speculate on Vermaak 88 roles today, because if I understood correctly they will be choosing them tonight, and I'd rather not give them advice on doing so. I'll be speculating on what they will choose privately though, and will post my theories tomorrow because by then their roles will be chosen and locked.

If you've already done this, just... Don't do it anymore. Until Day 2.

Ugin greets you and giggles at your vampire joke. He proceeds to draw a picture of a sparkly vampire and hands it to you.

[FM Ugin]

In any case Im heading to bed. Gnite

Ugin draws a picture of a teddy bear and give it to you.

[FM Meshuvel]

I just want to chime in and say that there could be an enforcer N1, I was wrong. I just asked in the Q and A section.

[FM Tessebik]

Ugin highlights the word thinking that is is scummy that he says that. He notes that many times scums say that

This. In my experience, the word "interesting" means that the person wants to remain as neutral and uninteresting as possible, and it often corresponds to scum.

The priest plan is fine: either the scum will not be able to break it up, or they will devote too many resources to trying to stop and it fail on other fronts...



"interesting".. does anyone know how to scumhunt on this site anymore?

Also its soo easy to break the cit plan that its not even worth pursuing.

[FM Ugin]

This. In my experience, the word "interesting" means that the person wants to remain as neutral and uninteresting as possible, and it often corresponds to scum.

The priest plan is fine: either the scum will not be able to break it up, or they will devote too many resources to trying to stop and it fail on other fronts...

Ugin look over what Tessebick says, he cocks his head slightly and then nods in understanding.

He looks at what hes holding and giggles as its a magikarp. He pulls out some paper and writes that magikarp is OPed. he then draws it doing splash and gives it to you.

[FM Jace Beleren]

I just want to chime in and say that there could be an enforcer N1, I was wrong. I just asked in the Q and A section.

And now our Citizen plan might be ruined. How wonderful.

So now then remember, our Citizen claimer might not become a Priest of the holy Orthodox church tonight, or he might have been a Bulgar -Vermaak- to begin with, asked the host about the N1 ability thing, and decided to give it a go when he learned abilities can be used.

So he could still easily be a scum.

[FM Ferengi]

This is gonna be a long story, so if I'm telling it too fast, just let me know...

There's plenty to tell about New Marais

( Please Vote Here for Day/Night Lengths : http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24281-Day-Night-Lengths )

[FM Ravi Sengir]

This is gonna be a long story, so if I'm telling it too fast, just let me know...

There's plenty to tell about New Marais

( Please Vote Here for Day/Night Lengths : http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/24281-Day-Night-Lengths )

If you are militia vote 48/24 (2nd option from the top). Maximize discussion time for us, minimize it for scum. We have a majority, so we should win the vote. Our priests will lose some time as well, but I think that's a small price to pay to inhibit the plotting ability 3 scum factions.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

If you are militia vote 48/24 (2nd option from the top). Maximize discussion time for us, minimize it for scum. We have a majority, so we should win the vote. Our priests will lose some time as well, but I think that's a small price to pay to inhibit the plotting ability 3 scum factions.

beat me to it, but yeah, in the end game, the major disadvantage for town is rallying the votes. we need time in the day.

[FM Gideon Jura]

My idea;

Step 1: Two Citizens must step up each day.
Step 2: Mason converts one of them
Step 3: Medic must anti cult one of them
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Win

[FM Jace Beleren]

My idea;

Step 1: Two Citizens must step up each day.
Step 2: Mason converts one of them
Step 3: Medic must anti cult one of them
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Win

This is an attempt to out PRs and drag the Surgeon -Medic- away from them. I do not like this. Scummy post here.

[FM Jace Beleren]

This is an attempt to out PRs and drag the Surgeon -Medic- away from them. I do not like this. Scummy post here.

If you can't figure out how its by:

1: If too many Citizens are revealed then with process of elimination the PRs will be found by the scum.
2: If the Surgeon -Medic- is targeting a random Citizen claimer, what is to prevent a scum from claiming? He drags a heal to himself and takes it away from a PR. Even then I would much rather it go to a PR than a random Citizen. Too add to that even if there are no outed PR's he can easily target someone he believes is one.



Its sad that people don't listen to reason from posts like this. They ignore it and keep the horrible plans going.

[FM Jace Beleren]

I shall retire to the Palace of the Basileus -go to sleep-. Byzantium shall hopefully not collapse over night. I might return in the morning if time allows.

[FM Vraska]

I am back.

Attempting to read thread.. now.

[FM Tessebik]

If too many Citizens are revealed then with process of elimination the PRs will be found by the scum.

I don't think Gideon's plan is a good idea for other reasons, but I just wanted to say that it is a two-way street. If citizens reveal, the odds that the remaining players are PRs increases, but the odds that they're actually scum also increases... having citizens reveal technically increases the odds that the scum factions will hit each other as it does that they will hit PRs.

[FM Jaya Ballard]

This is an attempt to out PRs and drag the Surgeon -Medic- away from them. I do not like this. Scummy post here.

The plan isn't that great, but the plan doesn't make me think he is scum. Yes it limits the PRs and helps the scums hit them, but I think to him it was an oversight he didn't think of.

[FM Teferi]

Holy shit 12 pages... oh wait my post per page settings have change....

Checking in, reading back, etc, etc, etc.

[FM Sifa Grent]

My idea;

Step 1: Two Citizens must step up each day.
Step 2: Mason converts one of them
Step 3: Medic must anti cult one of them
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Win

Hmm, I like the first two steps of the plan. The third step should be... hmm... Win! Yeah, that's how exactly it should be.

[FM Ashiok]

Hello everyone, beginning to read through today"s discussion.

[FM Parcher]

Hmm..nope, still haven't seen a name on the same level as Parcher.

[FM Parcher]

Tbh Jace is a cool name. Maybe we can be friends despite you being a dirty 2 word name peasant.

[FM Dack Fayden]

I am pleased to see a lot of productive things going on in my absence!

A few points:

1. We shouldn't worry about the Vermaak 88 choosing an enforcer and preventing the conversion of the claimed Militia Member. Vermaak 88 should want us to worry about it so we decide NOT to move forward with this plan. Basically this forces Vermaak 88 to pick an enforcer as a hidden role to mess with the recruitment or just ignore it and pick different roles. I think any time we can manipulate scum to do something, we retain the upper hand. Either way the outcome is win/win. We either get a new recruit or force Vermaak 88 to use up a hidden role slot with an enforcer.

2.
I don't think Gideon's plan is a good idea for other reasons, but I just wanted to say that it is a two-way street. If citizens reveal, the odds that the remaining players are PRs increases, but the odds that they're actually scum also increases... having citizens reveal technically increases the odds that the scum factions will hit each other as it does that they will hit PRs.

This makes a lot of sense to me. Whenever scum has a higher chance of hitting scum, we're bound to benefit. Now, I am not sure if I would recommend two citizens claiming each day, but after determining whether the recruitment this coming night is successful, we can reassess and move forward. This is like that moment when you realize Magikarp knows tackle and isn't just going to use splash ad infinitum. What a gem of a player!

[FM Vraska]

Pressure vote on a no-lynch day? Being mad about noncontributors within the first 100 posts of Day 1?
If your name wasn't as high-tier as mine, I'd be BMing the fuck out of you

Well, if you're posting, then why are you posting with no intent to advance the game state?

If you're town, you want people to listen to you, to make your contributions known, to lynch scum and get that MVP award. Posting with no content simply spams up the thread, helps scum blend in, actually reverses gamestate advancement due to the large amount of spam people have to wade through, and yeah.

Don't know why people choose to not contribute, and I want you to say something - hence my vote.

Reading, reading..

Don't know why people are concerned with secondary objectives - they're pretty much useless, and should not really count for much. Just treat them as not there.


hi im new i lyk ponies i am town okay dont pressure me pl0x kthxbai

Why do you need to state you're town in your first post? Shouldn't it be self-evident?


I've read through the previous and find one post extremely disconcerting, I won't tell you what it is atm, I will probably not be around for a bit.

I would prefer you would tell us what that post is, so we can talk about it and perhaps get more useful discussion out of this no lynch day.

Don't like Chandra Nalaar, don't like Nissa Revane.

Nissa is basically labelling "Scum!" to random Nicol Bolas posts with no real goal or motive, while Chandra decides to hop in, talk about a neutral, then hop out.

I like how Ajani Goldmane is laying out what we should be doing... but then decides not to do that analysis he was talking about. Hm.

Looks like Jace Beleren is doing the same thing.

I'm a fan of Baltrice so far, though could be playing aggressive!scum early. I'll have to monitor her for now. See... Charles LeClerc in MFM Voodoo and Shar-Teel in the previous FM to get a sense of what I'm talking about. I'll put an asterisk (*) next to her now.

And toss Kiora Atua to the "Listing what we should do, but not doing it" pile. In fact, Baltrice seems to be the only person doing what I want to see so far.

What is Ral Zarek doing?

Yeah, I'm fine with cramming a lynch down Ral Zarek's posts at this post. Aimless posts like Parcher, not doing anything.

Jace gives me bad feelings with the over-explanation of his scum reads. If there's someone pretending to take the mantle of leader, it's probably him.

Sarkhan Vol is.. hm. Not sure what to think so far. Gut says to place him in the Jace/Ajani/Kiora pile, though will have to wait.

I'm fine with cramming lynches down Jace Beleren's, Ral Zarek's, Parcher's throats, and to a lesser extent Chandra/Nissa.

Or direct kills at them.

I want them dead soon. Bound to be at least two scum in that pile of five.




You are jumping the gun again, you needed to wait till mid day 2 before throwing this up. Both town and scum should wait before starting real arguments.. dont do it on a no lynch day when 75% of posts are trolling and you can't tell the town from scum trolling.

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

I like how Ajani Goldmane is laying out what we should be doing... but then decides not to do that analysis he was talking about. Hm.


Don't worry friend, for I have just returned from school... where they blocked only this FM thread. Which sucks. Anyways, I'm still reading (skimming), so I'll get back to you guys. I also propose that NOBODY role claims. All that role claim from this point, I will consider them scum. No role claiming = No lying. No lying = No chaos. No chaos = Better chance of winning. I hope you follow this commandment. I will tell Noah to add it to the Ten Commandments, and I don't care if you're not Jewish.

[FM Tamiyo]

Hello. Sengir checking in. Haven't read much yet. Just wanted to let everyone know I'm here. It's really unlike me to be out and talking during the day, being a vampire and all. We generally prefer the night. And before anyone asks- no, I don't sparkle.

I'm hoping I'm not too late in saying this, but don't speculate on Vermaak 88 roles today, because if I understood correctly they will be choosing them tonight, and I'd rather not give them advice on doing so. I'll be speculating on what they will choose privately though, and will post my theories tomorrow because by then their roles will be chosen and locked.

If you've already done this, just... Don't do it anymore. Until Day 2.

Care to explain your choice of avatar!

[FM Tamiyo]

Hmm, Tamiyo, your avatar is prettly small. Can't you pick up a bigger one, hmm?

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=240070&type=card

Is this better?

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm, I believe there are better choices of avatars if you use Google search. And who needs this stupid card text anyway, hmm?

[FM Ajani Goldmane]

How do we plan to find the Soul of the Beast?


we dont plan... it just happens .... sometimes with 90% of the players role claiming like in fm5

[FM Sifa Grent]

Hmm... To be honest I have no idea how we can do that. Maybe we'll find some good clues in the future, hmm?

[FM Tamiyo]

Hmm, I believe there are better choices of avatars if you use Google search. And who needs this stupid card text anyway, hmm?

I feel context is relevant.

[FM Dack Fayden]

Setup speculation, because the veterans might have extra knowledge, and I want everyone to be on even footing.
Also my setup analysis concerns me because I see some potential pitfalls we might run into.

1. Hidden Killing Neutrals:


-forever alone Spree Killer
-Amnesiac
-Student.


-Serial Killer
-Amnesiac
-Ghost

In order from most likely to least likely:
-Serial Killer - Steady KPN, will most likely balance better in a 2 mafia game than 1 mafia (FM XI) [Note: Based on graveyard, we will know if we have this role or not]

-Revolutionist - I am ambivalent. Late game KPN is anticipated to add dramatic tension, but FM XI didn't have a Reaper faction (cult). I do, however, like how this would balance the Priest conversions quite nicely.

-Arsonist - I'm inclined to say no for an arsonist, since a similar incarnation made an appearance in MFM X. Dousing is not informed which makes me think this role is included for confusion purposes (possibly to mask a revolutionist)?

-Spree Killer - Perhaps the most unlikely. This role made such a small impact on FM V that I doubt it would appear again. But who knows. I any case, I encourage town protectives to digest this information, and decide for yourselves whether or not to heal the obvious targets.

2. Other Neutrals
In order of most likely to least likely:
-Tradition says an Amnesiac could be in the game (see above).

-Student was also in FM V, but is this making things too straightforward?

-Witch wrecked it in FM XI, I think it is unlikely for there to be a witch in this game.

-imo, Exe/Jester/Lawyer are all in there just for misdirection purposes.

3. Town roles:
FM V had some duplicate roles: Invest x 2, Medic x 2, Militia Extremist x 2
FM XI also had multiple sheriffs/investigators.

Note to townies, if someone claims your role, I wouldn't immediately CC. Be prudent and thoughtful.


Before anyone yells at me for posting this today instead of tomorrow, I think it's important to get #3 out there and to inform the Vermaak 88 about my high suspicions in #1 that Reaper/Revolutionist is a combination that very well could happen. After weighing pros and cons, I think it helps us just as much as it helps Vermaak 88 to have an enforcer in the game despite its potential to harm the Priest's converts. I know this is kind of shooting our plan in the foot, but if it's really a Priest/Revolutionist game then I anticipate there will be a ton of cits for the priest to hit. Priest, I hope you know your WIFOM.



The first person to actually talk about the setup... well its about time. You also reveal that you are an analyzer, one that has decent knowledge of previous games and Elixir's hosting tendencies. The chances of you being a fm veteran (not the role) are high.

[FM Tessebik]

Oh crap, I just remembered that my name is Tessebik... if anyone addressed me earlier, I apologize because I failed to realize that the address was directed to me :P

[FM Dack Fayden]

My idea;

Step 1: Two Citizens must step up each day.
Step 2: Mason converts one of them
Step 3: Medic must anti cult one of them
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Win

Bringing this up again because if this does end up being a Reaper/Revolutionist setup, Gideon Jura is going to look really suspicious imo.

-We know a possible Vermaak 88 enforcer can enforce 2 targets, thus why does Gideon Jura ask two citizens to claim each day? He could be Vermaak 88 intending to go enforcer so that he has two good enforcing targets.

-He could be revolutionist who wants one conversion target for the priest, and one conversion target for the revolutionists. More or less.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

I'm just gunna come out and say it.

I am the Witch.

Here's why the game's broken:

@ Town: Yes, I'm the Town's enemy, but I am a low priority target because you have a Cult Leader, a Beast, and two mafia teams to deal with. Kill me if you wanna waste time, idgaf.
@ Everybody else, I can win with any of you, so don't harm me and we can win together. Woot! You can have my vote when the time comes.

GG
GG
GG



Do I even bother commentating this? Here is the translation: Hi Scum, I'm a town PR, please kill me.

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

WHERE IS MY POST





It got lost due to stupidity... forums were giving you another chance to redeem yourself...

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

wtf, why didn't it come up

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

now i have to type it again

[FM Sifa Grent]

WHERE IS MY POST

Hmm, this is quite a good introduction. Did you came here just to say hello? Or you have something vital to tell us, hmm?

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

I am the Witch

Here's why the game's broken:
@Town, yes I'm your enemy, but I am such a low priority it would be an absolute waste to target me. You have a Cult Leader, a Beast, and 2 mafia factions to deal with. Target me if you like. It's your loss. Idgaf.
@ Everybody else, we win together. Woot! Leave me be and you can have my vote when it counts.

GG
GG
GG

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

omg it happened, again, is there some special code in place destroying colored posts?

[FM Elspeth Tirel]

let me try 3rd time lucky with no fancy stuff


Take the hint.. its a bad idea.