S-FM 112: Retirement

[SuperJack]

S-FM Retirement
SuperJack's Retirement Home

Day One
No Lynch

Good Morning. Your cups of tea, biscuits and bucket load of pills are waiting for you all, at your comfy armchairs.
Your television is set to all your favorite channel of all day Colombo. Weather originals can be found everywhere.
I will let you get to nothing now, sit down and tell each other about your lives.

Full Setup: S-FM Retirement Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/21463-S-FM-Retirement?p=346241&viewfull=1#post346241)

Day ends: AT THIS TIME (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%3A00+am+gmt+october+3rd+2013)

Role List

Investigator
Doctor
Veteran
Citizen
Hidden Protection
Hidden Investigation
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Non-Killing Neutral
Arsonist
Serial Killer
Spree Killer


Alive Players
1.RLVG
2.Ganondorf
3.eliZa
4.Muso
5.Poriomania
6.Sen
7.Raptorblaze
8.Azuriae
9.ika
10.cattack
11.Orpz
12.deathworlds
13.AppleyNO

Dead Players
No One.


14

[Poriomania]

Azuriae

Sorry dude, you're not in the drivers seat anymore.

[Orpz]

Azuriae

I agree

[deathworlds]

I say we all get some lunch


-vote Lunch

[deathworlds]

Shouldn't the votes to lynch be 8?

[deathworlds]

Scuse me I miscounted. 7

[SuperJack]

Scuse me I miscounted. 7

No. No lynching today!

[ika]

No. No lynching today!

Activate lurker mode.

BTW im an important role and i request a doc on me tonight because I'm afraid i might die

[Ganondorf]

Azuriae

Let the sheeping begin! Just need to remember not to put 'FM' before everything :P

[Orpz]

Activate lurker mode.

BTW im an important role and i request a doc on me tonight because I'm afraid i might die

MM detected

[Orpz]

i will heal you anyways tho

[Ganondorf]

-reveal

I am the Mayor! I hereby declare a government shutdown: there will be no lynching, taking of night actions, etc. until further notice!

[deathworlds]

i will heal you anyways tho

Doc softclaim?

[Orpz]

Doc softclaim?

soft?

[deathworlds]

Its claiming a role, yet not directly.

[deathworlds]

Atleast according to how others played it.

[deathworlds]

Activate lurker mode.

BTW im an important role and i request a doc on me tonight because I'm afraid i might die

I recommend someone research if this is consistant for ika to do on a non lynch day if town. And scum.

[ika]

I recommend someone research if this is consistant for ika to do on a non lynch day if town. And scum.

Without the power of lynch town can't do much. I will be here but without the pressure of lynch there is not much that can happen. Trust me I'm observing still, even if we cant lynch or use power of votes to pressure we can get a lot through discussion and lurking.

I got an idea i will post something of discussion and come back and post my thoughts latter.

What action would you take as each role? This is as scum and town.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]host did you random.org the roles out or handpick?/COLOR]

[ika]

host did you random.org the roles out or handpick?

dat coloring

[Sen]

Hi.
SuperJack

[ika]

hmm

are last wills and suicides a thing?

becasue we all know i will probally threaten it at one point

[deathworlds]

My question is how does a jester "relive there past"

[deathworlds]

Activate lurker mode.

BTW im an important role and i request a doc on me tonight because I'm afraid i might die

I would think you are a... Blacksmith, if not scum.

[Sen]

-reveal

I am the Mayor! I hereby declare a government shutdown: there will be no lynching, taking of night actions, etc. until further notice!

I have a better idea: You use your extra votes to reach the required 14 votes.
We lynch SuperJack.

[deathworlds]

I have a better idea: You use your extra votes to reach the required 14 votes.
We lynch SuperJack.

Article 7 section A: During a goverment shutdown the mayor is unable to make any contact with any non-politcal figures.

[Sen]

Article 7 section A: During a goverment shutdown the mayor is unable to make any contact with any non-politcal figures.
I'm the President.

[deathworlds]

-Day shoot JFK

[deathworlds]

Irrelevant, I am Zaphod Beeblebrox. President of the galaxy

[Sen]

-Day shoot JFK
I'm gonna need a doctor.

[ika]

S-FM 112: Slaol's less than traditional game that looks really traditional, but isn't (maybe)

S-FM Retirement 112

anyone else see something wrong with the names right now? XD

[Sen]

Slaol is drunk and should go home.

[ika]

I'm gonna need a doctor.

I already had dibs on doc

[deathworlds]

I'm gonna need a doctor.

Unable to comply, doctor is already treating the blacksmith.

[Sen]

I already had dibs on doc
But you weren't day shot after claiming President, did you? u_u

[deathworlds]

But you weren't day shot after claiming President, did you? u_u

Irrelevent, the blacksmith is more important.

[Sen]

This is why we can't have nice things.
-super suicide

[deathworlds]

This is why we can't have nice things.
-super suicide

In according to ammendment 11 Zaphod Beeblebrox has taken control of all players actions in result to the presidents death.

[deathworlds]

This is why we can't have nice things.
-super suicide

In all seriousness, if superjack counts that as a real suicide im going to laugh so hard.

[Poriomania]

I claim unlynchable unkillable miller vig.

[deathworlds]

I claim unlynchable unkillable miller vig.

-Roleblock

[Raptorblaze]

SuperJack

But seriously, happy troll day everyone!

[Raptorblaze]

I will probably not be abusing my admin powers to win this game :)

[Sen]

I am the Mayor!

I'm the President.

Zaphod Beeblebrox. President of the galaxy [/COLOR]
^ Confirmed Town.

I claim unlynchable unkillable miller vig.
No green color = obvscum. ez pz. gg.

[Sen]

-super vote Poriomania

[deathworlds]

SuperJack

Some random dude is going to come in and hammer jack...

[ika]

I will probably be abusing my admin powers to win this game :)

fixed

[ika]

SuperJack

Some random dude is going to come in and hammer jack...

in b4 we all vote superjack and rap makes it 13 votes for lolz

[deathworlds]

Or perhaps jack will hammer himself when the day ends so a better RP can take place.

[ika]

Or perhaps jack will hammer himself when the day ends so a better RP can take place.

self voting doesnt count, he could edit it to be 13 votes to lynch

[deathworlds]

May I post one picture for entertainment purposes?

[Orpz]

veteran

[deathworlds]

veteran

Elaborate

[Orpz]

Elaborate

i was in a war

[AppleyNO]

I will probably not be abusing my admin powers to win this game :)
Oh god, Rap's army detected:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZzfHbCqDw

[ika]

Mavouls first post apples, i found this in the setup

[quote]No vidoes (1 warning)[/vote]

[ika]

Mavouls first post apples, i found this in the setup


No vidoes (1 warning)

i can rime with those XD

[AppleyNO]

Mavouls first post apples, i found this in the setup

[quote]No vidoes (1 warning)[/vote]
LOL, My fault.

Warning shot, next shot will be death. No Doctors can save me now.


Seriously, sorry Super T.T

[deathworlds]

3 Members 2 guests... We have lurkers.

[Raptorblaze]

Why can't we all just get along and lynch superjack!?

[Orpz]

Why can't we all just get along and lynch superjack!?

use your mod powers to lower the lynch count :D

[Raptorblaze]

3 Members 2 guests... We have lurkers.

For full disclosure, I can see who's viewing the thread even if they are in invisible mode.
How would you like me to handle being able to see invisible people viewing this thread? (I can't see them viewing night chats, or any threads I don't have access to)

[deathworlds]

Why can't we all just get along and lynch superjack!?

Because this a democracy.

[deathworlds]

Night chats are usually hosted on other fourms. And night chat is not applicatable to this game.

[deathworlds]

Because this is a democracy.

Self corrected.

[Raptorblaze]

Night chats are usually hosted on other fourms. And night chat is not applicatable to this game.

Just being nice, don't hate on raptor.

[Orpz]

For full disclosure, I can see who's viewing the thread even if they are in invisible mode.
How would you like me to handle being able to see invisible people viewing this thread? (I can't see them viewing night chats, or any threads I don't have access to)

i counted this by turning off invisible

[Orpz]

countered*

[deathworlds]

Just being nice, don't hate on raptor.

I am not hating, I am merely stating the facts.

[Poriomania]

Raptorblaze

Would the real scum please raise their hands?

[Orpz]

Raptorblaze

Would the real scum please raise their hands?

me

[deathworlds]

*Crickets*

[Ganondorf]

SuperJack

I iz teh confirmed town everyone sheep pl0x

[deathworlds]

me

Scum playing as jester detected.

unvote

[deathworlds]

Orpz

[Orpz]

Jester playing as scum*

[Ganondorf]

Jester playing as scum*

inb4 town PR claim

[Orpz]

inb4 town PR claim

That was like 3 claims ago

[Ganondorf]

That was like 3 claims ago

Just gimme my rep and move along

[deathworlds]

Jester playing as scum*

No I'm pretty sure your scum, that is playing as a jester that is playing as scum.

[deathworlds]

Anywho, I must depart.

I shall return in around 8 hours. And will leave again in around 1 and a half hours.

[Sen]

Because this a democracy.
No. The president is dead.
This is now a theocratic monarchy.

Also, if my computer is on, it's likely that I'm one of the invisible visitors in multiple threads.
I just leave this open and check it when I'm around.

[Orpz]

Just gimme my rep and move along

irreppable forum u pleb

[Orpz]

No I'm pretty sure your scum, that is playing as a jester that is playing as scum.

actually a jester playing scum playing jester playing scum

[Poriomania]

I'm going to sleep; going to post some things in the morning.

[Sen]

OAP's can be healed from burnt.

What is an OAP?

What is love?

[Azuriae]

I don't think you understand.

Montaron the Great is ALWAYS in the driver's seat.

[Ganondorf]

I don't think you understand.

Montaron the Great is ALWAYS in the driver's seat.

If Azuriae dies there's a very strong possibility that I pulled the trigger.... old quarrels, you know.

[Azuriae]

Hey, I had nothing to do with your death. Of all the things you could accuse me of!

[eliZa]

Hello everybody.

[eliZa]

I find ika and Sen to be scummy for posting that they need a doctor when there is a confirmed spree killer in the setup.

I will also claim an important role that needs a doctor to give the doctor other targets to heal and the spree killer more targets to trap. If we all claim important roles then there is a higher chance that the doctor and spree killer will not target the same player.

I think the roles list is likely to be

Investigator
Doctor
Veteran
Citizen
Bus Driver
Lookout
Blacksmith
Citizen
Citizen
Witch
Arsonist
Serial Killer
Spree Killer

[eliZa]

A spree killer would not ask for a doctor because the spree killer can not self target.
Maybe Ika or Sen is the witch who asks for a spree killer because the spree killer can target them and they can move and survive but it provides a good target for the spree killer to attack to try to hit the doctor.

I picked up on a subtle claim from Ganondorf. I am interested to see if my prediction turns up right in the coming days.

Poriomania

Poriomania seems the scummiest to me right now just based off of claiming a role not in the game and not seeming as innocent without things to hide like other players such as Deathworlds.

[eliZa]

I guess my time zone is bad for this game but I will check back in a few hours.

[cattack]

I say we all get some lunch


-vote Lunch

Lunch sounds good to start with. Can't think on a empty stomach right?

-Vote Lunch

I was thinking we could do a continential but other idea are welcome I suppose

[eliZa]

Oh somebody else is here. Hello cattack.

Would you mind posting a role list speculation?

What do you think of my reads on a few players?

[cattack]

Greetings eliZa,

All work and no play makes jack a dull boy......

Actually, what I meant to say was that I can't think on a empty stomach. Don't know what time zones you are all on but I just woke up. So about that lunch

[SuperJack]

are last wills and suicides a thing?
Last wills YES.
Death notes NO.
Suicide NO

How does a jester "relive there past"
Rephrase

How would you like me to handle being able to see invisible people viewing this thread? (I can't see them viewing night chats, or any threads I don't have access to)
Don't Look

host did you random.org the roles out or handpick?
They are Hidden roles. Not Random

[cattack]

Looks about right. There are probably more citizens then necessary in the game.

Also, asking for a medic already reveals little if you ask me. First of all citizens are important right, might as well ask for a medic? Second of all, probably best to take things that are said on day 1 with a grain of salt. Considering it's pretty much bullshit to get through the day. What do you expect from people who are retired. There is only so much that you can eat/drink/sleep a day.

Predicting who is evil now will do little good cause some tend to act evil without realizing it them self. To me you are all a suspect until proven otherwise. We'll see who of you turns out to be what.

[Muso]

Errrrr, my wolfram alpha link says this will start 1 hr from now, yet it seems to have been going for the past 12 hrs - what is going on?

I am confused.

[Muso]

So the wolfram link at the start of Day tells me that Day ends in 25 hrs. Is this accurate?

[Muso]

I'm going to take this opportunity to claim Veteran.

Don't heal me doc, because I'll be drawing on you if you do! :O

[RLVG]

Sup.

[Poriomania]

Alright, from my notes, I have Orpz and Raptorblaze as most scummy.

Points against Raptorblaze:

- "Why can't we all get along?" It's a established scumplay to establish themselves as a "team player".
- "But seriously, happy troll day everyone!" "but seriously" is scummy phrasing. You don't need "But Seriously" to say "Happy troll day everyone!"

Points against Orpz:

- The "raising hands" question was a trap. I've found that scum usually joke more about their alignment than not. Even as a joke, it holds subconscious appeal for scum: The ability to 'tell the truth' and claim their alignment is more fun than making things up.

I voted Raptor to try to draw a reaction, but he didn't respond.

I want those two gone by the end of Day 3.

[Orpz]

That's a good case against me.

It'd be a shame if.... something were to happen to you before a lynch day

[deathworlds]

My list of people.
Deathworlds (Me)
elZia
Ganondorf
Poriomania
Raptorblaze
Orpz

Anyone else, its too early to tell.

[deathworlds]

As for a roles list I think its this.
Investigator
Doctor
Veteran
Citizen
Bodyguard
Detective
Vigilant
Citizen
Citizen
Executioner
Arsonist
Serial Killer
Spree Killer

[Poriomania]

My list of people.
Deathworlds (Me)
elZia
Ganondorf
Poriomania
Raptorblaze
Orpz

Anyone else, its too early to tell.

Elaborate, please? A color-coded reads list doesn't tell me much.

[deathworlds]

Town
Seems towny enough
Scummy Bastards

[Muso]

As for a roles list I think its this. Investigator Doctor Veteran Citizen Bodyguard Detective Vigilant Citizen Citizen Executioner Arsonist Serial Killer Spree Killer No vigilante in the setup, my friend! I am suspicious of your role list.

[deathworlds]

How terrible of me, I misread the roles list.
Lets replace that Vig with a blacksmith.

[Muso]

How terrible of me, I misread the roles list.
Lets replace that Vig with a blacksmith.

Did you misread it, or did you miss reading it?

[deathworlds]

I misread investigator for vigilant.

[Muso]

I misread investigator for vigilant.


As for a roles list I think its this. Investigator Doctor Veteran Citizen Bodyguard Detective Vigilant Citizen Citizen Executioner Arsonist Serial Killer Spree Killer

I'm not sure I follow. You say you misread Investigator for Vigilante, but you also included an Investigator in your role-list.

[deathworlds]

I was tried, I thought there was a vig in the setup. I was wrong.

[Orpz]

Elaborate, please? A color-coded reads list doesn't tell me much.

RLVG
Ganondorf
eliZa
Muso
Poriomania
Sen
Raptorblaze
Azuriae
ika
cattack
Orpz
deathworlds
AppleyNO

[Orpz]

deathworlds*

[Orpz]

Muso

[Orpz]

Jk I missed Muso's role claim. Like a real scum, I voted him and then went back for reasons why it's a good idea.
Muso*

eliza

[deathworlds]

RLVG
Ganondorf
eliZa
Muso
Poriomania
Sen
Raptorblaze
Azuriae
ika
cattack
Orpz
deathworlds
AppleyNO

It says you will lynch all the scum, but you will lynch the entire town first.

[Muso]

Muso

Jötunn! (http://www.ask.com/wiki/j%C3%B6tunn)

[Orpz]

Jötunn! (http://www.ask.com/wiki/j%C3%B6tunn)

teal deer

[deathworlds]

teal deer

Mandrake.

[Orpz]

Mandrake.

The post I quoted was a link to a wikipedia article

[deathworlds]

The post I quoted was a link to a wikipedia article

I'm sorry I do not follow suit.

[Muso]

The post I quoted was a link to a wikipedia article

L_NKS ARE BANNED. MODKILL PLOX

SUPERJACK TOLD ME IN PRIVATE PM THAT EVEN SAYING THE WORD IS A BANNABLE OFFENCE

[deathworlds]

I shall return in around 8 hours..

[Raptorblaze]

poriomania this isn't about me, son :P

But seriously, I always seem scummy no matter what I am so I'm not bothered by that read. I'm still deciding how I feel about you people.

[Sen]

I find ika and Sen to be scummy for posting that they need a doctor when there is a confirmed spree killer in the setup.
I was shot. I NEED a doctor. ika is obvscum.

[Sen]

I'm going to take this opportunity to claim Veteran.

Don't heal me doc, because I'll be drawing on you if you do! :O

Translation: I'm scum and night immune.

[RLVG]

RLVG

Gamethrower. You're my goon.

But seriously, I always seem scummy no matter what I am so I'm not bothered by that read.

Same, except that I do read.

[Sen]

What is an OAP?

What is love?

._.

[Ganondorf]

Muso

Only scum claim actually possible roles day 1.

[Ganondorf]

Muso

Only scum claim actually possible roles day 1.

(read FM III)

[Azuriae]

All of those are nothing more than symbolic votes, no?

Anyway. I think It's silly that you guys are making ''Reads'' list when we only just started and people have mostly posted nothing more than troll posts. Orpz, why am I green? I only made a few posts that were completely irrelevant.

Chill.

[Raptorblaze]

Muso

Only scum claim actually possible roles day 1.

-claim Bus Driver while we're claiming random roles? lol

[Raptorblaze]

All of those are nothing more than symbolic votes, no?

Anyway. I think It's silly that you guys are making ''Reads'' list when we only just started and people have mostly posted nothing more than troll posts. Orpz, why am I green? I only made a few posts that were completely irrelevant.

Chill.

Actually the exact reason I voted porio, he seems to want to start pointing the finger pretty quickly...

[Sen]

Trolling is material for analysis. Just as everything else.
Mafia rarely presents a situation where "it's too early" or "there isn't enough information" applies.

Mazzy, anyone? (Yes, I'm still having nightmares about it).

That said, "material for analysis" doesn't equal being able to throw colored lists after people have only posted a couple of times.

[Azuriae]

Trolling is material for analysis. Just as everything else.
Mafia rarely presents a situation where "it's too early" or "there isn't enough information" applies.

Mazzy, anyone? (Yes, I'm still having nightmares about it).

That said, "material for analysis" doesn't equal being able to throw colored lists after people have only posted a couple of times.

I'm not saying everything said today should be disregarded; far from it. I was never a fan of troll days.

I'm just saying that It's a bit early to start pointing fingers and calling people scum over a few posts. Analyze and keep everything that is said today in mind, but let's not start calling people scum just yet.

[Sen]

I'm not saying everything said today should be disregarded; far from it. I was never a fan of troll days.

I'm just saying that It's a bit early to start pointing fingers and calling people scum over a few posts. Analyze and keep everything that is said today in mind, but let's not start calling people scum just yet.
I agree.

And yeah, I'm neither a fan of troll/no-vote days, but inactive/massive-lurking days are worse, so I'll play along.

[ika]

Well i just got up and read through and think its funny how i am scummy for requesting doc tonihgt. Im being serious though i should get a doc tonight becasue im highly important role. That being said, i orpz has claimed veteran and muso (correct me if wrong) has claimed veteran

now 2 veterans are fucking oped so either one of them is vet or neither of them is vet imo, but that does meake me wonder about another thing

if a witch witches the mm to self, does the mm kill itself and the witch? can witch force mm to move on a cd as well.

[ika]

I agree.

And yeah, I'm neither a fan of troll/no-vote days, but inactive/massive-lurking days are worse, so I'll play along.

that is why some players end up lurking not posting on troll days, becasue you cant really do much except be trolls

[Sen]

that is why some players end up lurking not posting on troll days, becasue you cant really do much except be trolls
Or because they're scum and use the no-vote day as an excuse to keep a low profile.

While a no-vote day is useless in terms of lynching scum, there are a lot of important things you can do.

Of course, it's mostly trolling and dumb things like trying to guess the setup, which I'll start doing right now.

[Raptorblaze]

that is why some players end up lurking not posting on troll days, becasue you cant really do much except be trolls

Agreed

[ika]

Or because they're scum and use the no-vote day as an excuse to keep a low profile.

While a no-vote day is useless in terms of lynching scum, there are a lot of important things you can do.

Of course, it's mostly trolling and dumb things like trying to guess the setup, which I'll start doing right now.

its about 90% troll, 9% serious 1% outing roles. i know the uses of trolls says as well becasue it allows players to observe for the most part, but you are also right sen it gives players an excuse to lurk, but their lurking also says something even if they dont know it.

[Sen]

Investigator
Doctor
Veteran
Citizen

Bus Driver
Detective
Blacksmith
Citizen
Citizen
Executioner

Arsonist
Serial Killer
Spree Killer

Bus Driver:
- Two Doctors are possible, since a double Doctor claim always results in some fun confusion which usually results in a mislynch. That said, it seems to me like it would be too risky to have multiple docs, especially after the expected mass claim. A Doctor train (or even the possibility of it happening) would be just too strong.
- A Bodyguard is useless for the Town, since the killers have an auto-vest. A Bodyguard would likely die for nothing and would not even be able to confirm a Town, since he might die while protecting one of the killers, or even the neutral.
- A Bus Driver gives the highest reward if good choices are taken, while it is extremelly dangerous if he makes the wrong calls.

Detective:
- There's already an Investigator. There's no need for a second one.
- A Lookout would be too weak because of the spree killer: there would be no threaten scum by checking a confirmed TPR, since the Spree Killer would be able to take out the Lookout before he's able to give his feedback.
- A Detective would be a very strong asset to confirm PRs, and just as the Bus Driver, the Detective's utility and survival would highly depend on the choices made.

Blacksmith:
- The most swingy role. His actions would either help the Town a lot or damage it in a terrible fashion, which is the tendency I'm seeing here: the planning of night actions would likely decide the game. Good decisions will give great reward, while poor ones would likely result in the player (or the team) being screwed.

Two Citizens:
- Adding the forced one, three citizens are about enough to render early mass-claiming useless.
Also, even with 2 starting KPN, if those spots weren't citizens, then there would be an insane ammount of TPRs.

Executioner:
- A Jester would likely end up killing a Townie, and with the high ammount of night kills and no way to protect himself, it would be pretty much insta-loss.
- A Witch would make the game way too chaotic and hard for the Town, especially since the target isn't informed of manipulation. Too OP for scum, imo.
- An Executioner has an auto-vest, just like the three killers, which would add a layer of confusion to them after the Executioner gets attacked and survives, which would make the attacker try to get the Executioner lynched. The best neutral choice for the setup.



Alternative setup for the lulz:

Investigator
Doctor
Veteran
Citizen

Bus Driver
Bus Driver
Bus Driver
Bus Driver
Bus Driver
Witch

Arsonist
Serial Killer
Spree Killer

[Azuriae]

That's not a bad list.

In my mind though, I imagined having a Bodyguard over the Detective. I doubt we'd get more than one investigative; and you seem to have overlooked that the Bodyguard ignores vests/immunity.

Considering that we have 3 killers, I think It's a very possible role.

[Sen]

You're right, I missed the "ignores vests" part.
With that in mind, I agree that a Bodyguard might be present.

[Ganondorf]

I think a bodyguard will be present (no I'm not claiming BG): given the number of killing roles, I doubt there would just be a doctor as a protective role and a bodyguard will help balance out the KPN (sorta in a way).

[ika]

I think a bodyguard will be present (no I'm not claiming BG): given the number of killing roles, I doubt there would just be a doctor as a protective role and a bodyguard will help balance out the KPN (sorta in a way).

well if we have a bg i would like that too, both of them on me would be best. overall i need all the protection i can get tonihgt becasue im super important if we havent established that

[Sen]

See? That's why this day isn't a complete waste.
At this point it's pretty safe to asume that ika will be unprotected tonight, since he's either a Citizen or not-Town.

[ika]

See? That's why this day isn't a complete waste.
At this point it's pretty safe to asume that ika will be unprotected tonight, since he's either a Citizen or not-Town.

my death make you go WTF. im 100% seriousl that if a doc/bg is on me this game will be easier

[RLVG]

Well i just got up and read through and think its funny how i am scummy for requesting doc tonihgt. Im being serious though i should get a doc tonight becasue im highly important role. That being said, i orpz has claimed veteran and muso (correct me if wrong) has claimed veteran

That's the thing about 2 Vet. If they show up or one is flipped, can you trust one both or the remaining?

1. Two vets, both scummy 100%.
2. One flip vet, other claims, 100% scummy.

Inb4 a 3rd vet.

[Azuriae]

well if we have a bg i would like that too, both of them on me would be best. overall i need all the protection i can get tonihgt becasue im super important if we havent established that

Why are you trying to lure a Spree Killer so much, ika?

Why would the protective roles protect you over anyone else?

[Sen]

my death make you go WTF. im 100% seriousl that if a doc/bg is on me this game will be easier
Flips rarely make me go "WTF!".
I tend to know what I'm talking about.

Also, it's pretty funny how you pretend like you're the obvious target tonight for the Serial and Spree killers, so that you not only need a doctor, but also a bodyguard.

Not to say that you pretty much make it look like you're the single most valuable player, and that your role alone can turn the tables, like if scum hunting and player analysis wasn't something important.

If that's how we're playing, I might request all protectives to be on me, since I'm a good scumhunter and keeping me alive will certainly make the game a field trip for the town.

That's not how things work.


Inb4 a 3rd vet.
I thought it was pretty clear at this point that I was the actual Veteran. Duh.

[ika]

Why are you trying to lure a Spree Killer so much, ika?

Why would the protective roles protect you over anyone else?

becasue im important town power. sen it might not make you got exactly wtf, but you will understand my logic of wanted to have them tonight then

[ika]

Flips rarely make me go "WTF!".
I tend to know what I'm talking about.

Also, it's pretty funny how you pretend like you're the obvious target tonight for the Serial and Spree killers, so that you not only need a doctor, but also a bodyguard.

Not to say that you pretty much make it look like you're the single most valuable player, and that your role alone can turn the tables, like if scum hunting and player analysis wasn't something important.

If that's how we're playing, I might request all protectives to be on me, since I'm a good scumhunter and keeping me alive will certainly make the game a field trip for the town.

That's not how things work.


I thought it was pretty clear at this point that I was the actual Veteran. Duh.

also to this, you could also say you are but then be manipulative and casue mylynches

[RLVG]

becasue im important town power. sen it might not make you got exactly wtf, but you will understand my logic of wanted to have them tonight then

Inb4 Veteran.

[Sen]

also to this, you could also say you are but then be manipulative and casue mylynches
You should know that I don't mislynch. That's for plebs.

Anyway, there's nothing to worry about. Raptor has a red name; he's the obvious target for all scum roles.

[eliZa]

I think there is a witch to force TPRs not to claim. Executioner and Jester are only in the setup so scum can pretend to have a cover.

[Sen]

I think there is a witch to force TPRs not to claim. Executioner and Jester are only in the setup so scum can pretend to have a cover.
inb4 you flip Executioner.

[eliZa]

becasue im important town power. sen it might not make you got exactly wtf, but you will understand my logic of wanted to have them tonight then

I hope ika gets shot tonight. If I am scum, tonight I will kill ika. Feel free to kill ika just to frame me.

[eliZa]

Ika's play does not make sense from a town POV. I think that ika might be the witch who wants someone to spree at his house tonight.

[ika]

Ika's play does not make sense from a town POV. I think that ika might be the witch who wants someone to spree at his house tonight.

it does from a town POV, as well as my roles POV, i will leave it in my lw.

[eliZa]

it does from a town POV, as well as my roles POV, i will leave it in my lw.

I think this is a scum slip. Ika just admitted that he is not town since he mentioned his role POV in a different phrase as a town POV.

[ika]

I think this is a scum slip. Ika just admitted that he is not town since he mentioned his role POV in a different phrase as a town POV.

nope, my role is town. if anyone doubts me they are welcome to my house tonight to check to see if i am not town. but i am town, my role is town, and people visting me will only help

[Sen]

Why do I have the impression that ika is getting lynched tomorrow?

[ika]

I want to amuse everyone with a game then, lets say hypoteticaly im not town (but i know i am unless superjack has made some huge host error). what am i then? lets also put it that i am not a witch (becasue i am not)

[ika]

Why do I have the impression that ika is getting lynched tomorrow?

why do i have the impression that if i am checked i will not?

[RLVG]

nope, my role is town. if anyone doubts me they are welcome to my house tonight to check to see if i am not town. but i am town, my role is town, and people visting me will only help

Lynch: Jester.
Shot: Arsonist.
Left alone: Blacksmith.

Dat WIFOM

[Sen]

Dat WIFOM

Nah. These scenarios are usually something like:
80% Scum.
19% Town thinking they're the WIFOM masters and screwing the Town with their lies.
1% MVP.

Take a pick.

[ika]

Lynch: Jester.
Shot: Arsonist.
Left alone: Blacksmith.

Dat WIFOM

it has great affect doesnt it ;)

[ika]

Nah. These scenarios are usually something like:
80% Scum.
19% Town thinking they're the WIFOM masters and screwing the Town with their lies.
1% MVP.

Take a pick.

personally i dont try to use too much its just that everyone else personafies it for me. all i request for tonight is doc/bg, after that i will not need it. how about that as a compermise

[Azuriae]

personally i dont try to use too much its just that everyone else personafies it for me. all i request for tonight is doc/bg, after that i will not need it. how about that as a compermise

I don't understand why you want our possible two protectives on you tonight specifically.

Cloud of WIFOM, I say!

[SuperJack]

So the wolfram link at the start of Day tells me that Day ends in 25 hrs. Is this accurate?
Yes, there was. Forgot to add "am". It is now fixed.
Day will end in a little less than 5 hours from now

What is an OAP?
Old Age Pensioner (A Player)

if a witch witches the mm to self, does the mm kill itself and the witch? can witch force mm to move on a cd as well.
When Witch makes MM go on self. MM will not be attacked, witch will be attacked.
Also what's CD? Witch can not make a MM move onto a Compact disc

[ika]

So the wolfram link at the start of Day tells me that Day ends in 25 hrs. Is this accurate?
Yes, there was. Forgot to add "am". It is now fixed.
Day will end in a little less than 5 hours from now

What is an OAP?
Old Age Pensioner (A Player)

if a witch witches the mm to self, does the mm kill itself and the witch? can witch force mm to move on a cd as well.
When Witch makes MM go on self. MM will not be attacked, witch will be attacked.
Also what's CD? Witch can not make a MM move onto a Compact disc

cd=cooldown/wait

[SuperJack]

cd=cooldown/wait

Yes, witch can force MM to move on cooldown.

[Orpz]

All of those are nothing more than symbolic votes, no?

Anyway. I think It's silly that you guys are making ''Reads'' list when we only just started and people have mostly posted nothing more than troll posts. Orpz, why am I green? I only made a few posts that were completely irrelevant.

Chill.

because I suspect you have a role that is Town-aligned

Also, I retract my Veteran claim.

[deathworlds]

because I suspect you have a role that is Town-aligned

Also, I retract my Veteran claim.

I don't like the sound of that.

[deathworlds]

I want to amuse everyone with a game then, lets say hypoteticaly im not town (but i know i am unless superjack has made some huge host error). what am i then? lets also put it that i am not a witch (becasue i am not)

Your a serial killer playing as a jester. Playing as scum playing terrible town.

[ika]

Your a serial killer playing as a jester. Playing as scum playing terrible town.

no when im jester im more obvious about it or more descrete about it

[deathworlds]

no when im jester im more obvious about it or more descrete about it

You could be changing strads. Or lying.

Either way I still think your a blacksmith.

[Muso]

because I suspect you have a role that is Town-aligned Also, I retract my Veteran claim. Last Veteran standing :D

[ika]

You could be changing strads. Or lying.

Either way I still think your a blacksmith.

fair enough

[ika]

Last Veteran standing :D

in b4 new veteran claim

[cattack]

All of those are nothing more than symbolic votes, no?

Anyway. I think It's silly that you guys are making ''Reads'' list when we only just started and people have mostly posted nothing more than troll posts. Orpz, why am I green? I only made a few posts that were completely irrelevant.

Chill.

Could not agree more. Those suspicions they are having are biased by history. Clearly some of you have been here for longer and know eachother. Voting to fast won't do you any good if you are only voting on a hunch, at least in the early game. Unless there are some solid clues or town running low on numbers, I see no reason to lynch prematurely. Some may say it's preservative while others might say it's just being to passive. Unless there are some clues to go on why take the risk? Currently it's 9 Town VS 1 Serial killer vs 1 Spree Killer vs 1 Arsonist vs 1 out of 3 possible witch. The Serial killer, the Spree Killer and the Arsonist all have to kill each other as well along with town.

Which leads me to the following question.

Who wins in a tie when? Arso < / > Spree killer < / > Serial Killer

And on a different note
Roles are randomized without any one being able to -prefer or -blacklist roles, right? Probably a wasted question but just to confirm.

[Azuriae]

because I suspect you have a role that is Town-aligned

Also, I retract my Veteran claim.

Tell me why, that's what I want to know, Orpz.
I'm flattered; but you know.

[Raptorblaze]

Could not agree more. Those suspicions they are having are biased by history. Clearly some of you have been here for longer and know eachother. Voting to fast won't do you any good if you are only voting on a hunch, at least in the early game. Unless there are some solid clues or town running low on numbers, I see no reason to lynch prematurely. Some may say it's preservative while others might say it's just being to passive. Unless there are some clues to go on why take the risk? Currently it's 9 Town VS 1 Serial killer vs 1 Spree Killer vs 1 Arsonist vs 1 out of 3 possible witch. The Serial killer, the Spree Killer and the Arsonist all have to kill each other as well along with town.

Which leads me to the following question.

Who wins in a tie when? Arso < / > Spree killer < / > Serial Killer

And on a different note
Roles are randomized without any one being able to -prefer or -blacklist roles, right? Probably a wasted question but just to confirm.
removed color code so host doesn't mix up quote

If I've learned anything this game it's that Poriomania has no idea how to handle me.

[Orpz]

Tell me why, that's what I want to know, Orpz.
I'm flattered; but you know.

I hacked your account and read your PM's.
Real answer: just a feel



Who wins in a tie when? Arso < / > Spree killer < / > Serial Killer


Cattack confirmed for a Neutral Killing.

[Muso]

Cattack confirmed for a Neutral Killing.

Lol yeah. Who else would even care which of the 3 wins in that situation?

[deathworlds]

Lol yeah. Who else would even care which of the 3 wins in that situation?

What he said.

[Raptorblaze]

sucks to be cattack :P

[SuperJack]

Who wins in a tie when? Arso < / > Spree killer < / > Serial Killer
There is no Tie. They fight it out.

And on a different note
Roles are randomized without any one being able to -prefer or -blacklist roles, right?
Yes. 100% Roles are given out Randomly

[cattack]

Lol yeah. Who else would even care which of the 3 wins in that situation?

Not really a matter of caring. After I die I'll still watch the game, might as well ask what happens now while I'm alive. Considering I'm not going to beg for a heal like the rest of you. Besides, If I was a neutral killer I would have just PM Superjack. Doesn't make sense if I can't ask it in the thread as well without having to raise alarms on me all of a sudden.

[ika]

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ika*, cattack, Muso, SuperJack

raptor can you be abusive and tell us whos lurking XD

scince roles were 100% random that means raptor might not be what i am thinking he once was

[Sen]

I just noticed that nights last 24 hours. Now I'm sad.

[deathworlds]

I just noticed that nights last 24 hours. Now I'm sad.

I don't think such long nights are necessary for such a long non-night chat game.

[ika]

host can we just have day start when all night actions get sent in? along with last wills?

24 hrs night is more waste of time if anything

[SuperJack]

host can we just have day start when all night actions get sent in? along with last wills?
Yes. But day start times will not be consistant.
Days will end up longer, due to taking time from night.

Anyone disagree?

[Sen]

Longer days? Bring it. ♥

[Muso]

host can we just have day start when all night actions get sent in? along with last wills?
Yes. But day start times will not be consistant.
Days will end up longer, due to taking time from night.

Anyone disagree?

Sounds good to me.

[ika]

host can we just have day start when all night actions get sent in? along with last wills?
Yes. But day start times will not be consistant.
Days will end up longer, due to taking time from night.

Anyone disagree?

nothing wrong here, it could be like into amazon where everyone submit actions during day XD

[deathworlds]

Okay. So night starts consistently. Yet day does not.

I'm cool with this.

[SuperJack]

Day 1 has ended.

No one has died of old age. Sleep well.

Day 2 will start once all night actions are sent in.

[SuperJack]

Night 1 Has Ended

[SuperJack]

S-FM Retirement
SuperJack's Retirement Home

Day Two

6

RP TO BE ADDED

Last Wills

RVLG
My reads :
- Raptor is careful in what to say, can't get a single read for any faction. All I can say is, he's avoiding to talk too much.

- I don't trust Ganon, a gut feeling.

- Obviously, Ika. WTF can I say about him? I have no idea. He's probably "teamed with someone", meta. Executioner?

- All veteran claimers are scummy, CC'ing eachothers.

- Orpz, for retracting the original Veteran claim. Scum in my eye to get out of the heat.

- I visited Orpz.

- RLVG, for being naturally scummy and a demented OCD-Pacifist that dies on the first day. This man is really dangerous if he lives because of his secret ability: Professional Scum Magnet.

Now that I got your attention, I want to say this :
- Learn to understand I'm an European in a different timezone. I sleep, no surprise there!

Signed, Retired Lively Viking Gardener.

Alive Players
Ganondorf
eliZa
Poriomania
Sen
Raptorblaze
ika
cattack
Orpz
deathworlds
AppleyNO

Dead Players
RLVG The Investigator - Murdered by a Serial Killer
Muso The Blacksmith - Eliminated by a Veteran
Azuriae The Citizen - Ripped apart by a murderous contrapction (Spree Killer)



Day ends: AT THIS TIME (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%3A00+am+gmt+october+5th+2013)

[Sen]

Nice last will, Muso. >__>

[Sen]

ika
Time to confirm yourself.

[AppleyNO]

This is sad T.T

[deathworlds]

I thought Ika was the blacksmith....

*Insert photo of Bear Gryllz*

I was wrong.

[Sen]

So... you guys are waiting for me to offer you a drink or what does it take to get you to start talking?

[deathworlds]

Investigator Dead RVLG
Doctor
Veteran
Citizen Dead, Azuriae
Hidden Protection
Hidden Investigative
Hidden Town Blacksmith, Dead, Muso
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Non-Killing Neutral
Arsonist
Serial Killer
Spree Killer

[deathworlds]

Investigator Dead RVLG
Doctor
Veteran
Citizen Dead, Azuriae
Hidden Protection
Hidden Investigative
Hidden Town Blacksmith, Dead, Muso
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Non-Killing Neutral
Arsonist
Serial Killer
Spree Killer

For those who are reading impared

[Sen]

I love how Muso claimed veteran and then died to the real one.

[deathworlds]

Anywho. Scum reads
Scummy bastards
Not town
Uncertain
Almost town
Townie

Ganondorf
eliZa
Poriomania
Sen
Raptorblaze
ika
cattack
Orpz
deathworlds
AppleyNO

[deathworlds]

Ganondorf's aura just screams scum at me.

Ganadorf

[Sen]

Reasons?

[deathworlds]

Ganondorf's aura just screams scum at me.

Ganondorf

[ika]

well i can state my feedback but weather you bleive it or not is up to you. i was not visted by anyone

does a blacksmith still get the gun if veteran alerts?

[Sen]

Huh.
deathworlds
Your aura screams scum at me.

Logic is lovely.

[deathworlds]

Reasons:

1. He hasn't contributed to town discussion in a sufficient fashion.
2. I just don't trust him at all.

[deathworlds]

And sen I see your point.

Also I was not visited by anyone this night.

[ika]

deathwold, explain why you thought i was blacksmith will ya

[deathworlds]

well i can state my feedback but weather you bleive it or not is up to you. i was not visted by anyone

does a blacksmith still get the gun if veteran alerts?

1.Veteran Alert's
2.Jester
3.Bus Driver
4.Witch
5.Arsonist Douse/Undouse
6.Bodyguard Protects
7.Doctor Heal
8.Investigator/Detective/Lookout (can see all movements from 1 and onwards)
9.Spree Killer, Serial Killer, Veteran, Bodyguard Kill, Gun Kill.
10.Blacksmith

No.

[deathworlds]

deathwold, explain why you thought i was blacksmith will ya

Gut feeling.

[Sen]

Reasons:

1. He hasn't contributed to town discussion in a sufficient fashion.
2. I just don't trust him at all.

Do you realise that the day started like 30 minutes ago? :|

Are you an Executioner?
If so, you're quite bad at it.

[deathworlds]

I'm not an Executioner.

I just don't trust ganon.

[Poriomania]

Raptorblaze

[Sen]

well i can state my feedback but weather you bleive it or not is up to you. i was not visted by anyone

So you have no way to confirm your role?
That was the only point of protecting you for one night.

ika

[deathworlds]

And If I WAS a executioner I would not play so horribly.

[deathworlds]

So you have no way to confirm your role?
That was the only point of protecting you for one night.

ika

Doctor?

[ika]

im thinking death might be exe/jester.

100% offtopic though: i am having a wierd sense of deja vu as if i had a dearm or something like seeing these posts...

[ika]

So you have no way to confirm your role?
That was the only point of protecting you for one night.

ika

yes but the doc was not on me. i would of known

[Sen]

Doctor?
I meant that he asked to be protected for a single night, like if that would be enough for him to prove that he's the TPR that he claimed all day long.

Anyway. I was visited. And that's all I'll say in that regard, for now.

[ika]

I meant that he asked to be protected for a single night, like if that would be enough for him to prove that he's the TPR that he claimed all day long.

Anyway. I was visited. And that's all I'll say in that regard, for now.

sen seems to know my role thats why i woult like doc on me. if the doc tor followed suit this game would of been 10 times easier

[ika]

sen seems to know my role thats why i woult like doc on me. if the doc tor followed suit this game would of been 10 times easier

or anyone thats is non killing for that matter

[Sen]

So... ika isclaiming Lookout.
Fair enough, until someone counterclaims.

Raptorblaze
His name is red. Ergo, he must be the spree killer.

[deathworlds]

I meant that he asked to be protected for a single night, like if that would be enough for him to prove that he's the TPR that he claimed all day long.

Anyway. I was visited. And that's all I'll say in that regard, for now.

Only roles that provide feedback are douse, blacksmith, bus driver, attacked and healed, Protected and healed.
That is unless you are a lookout.

[deathworlds]

If anyone was doused I recommend you say it now.

[ika]

So... ika isclaiming Lookout.
Fair enough, until someone counterclaims.

Raptorblaze
His name is red. Ergo, he must be the spree killer.

si and none came to me, now that thats taken care of we seem to be missing a douse. but spree did hit so the player will have to wait, this means that i can confirm our doc if he will target me and i go on self again. but i am open to other options right now

[Poriomania]

This is sad T.T

What's sad?


Anywho. Scum reads
Scummy bastards
Not town
Uncertain
Almost town
Townie

Ganondorf
eliZa
Poriomania
Sen
Raptorblaze
ika
cattack
Orpz
deathworlds
AppleyNO

Like I said, you're going to have to give me better reasoning than this.


And If I WAS a executioner I would not play so horribly.

This is WIFOM.

--

I was writing up a post when the Day ended; I'll go back and try to re-create that post soon.

[deathworlds]

Does a spree count as just one person dead or multiple?

[Sen]

10 players left. One lynch today. Another 2-3 kills tonight.
Sounds problematic.

Massclaim? lel

[deathworlds]

We could wait for any other investigatives to pop out.

Or for you to claim who actually visited you.

[deathworlds]

We could wait for any other investigatives to pop out.

Or for you to claim who or what actually visited you.

Fixed.

[Sen]

We could wait for any other investigatives to pop out.

Or for you to claim who actually visited you.

What other investigatives?
The investigator is dead, and if we trust ika, he's the hidden one.
The hidden town was a blacksmith, the other two hiddens must be citizens.

[deathworlds]

What other investigatives?
The investigator is dead, and if we trust ika, he's the hidden one.
The hidden town was a blacksmith, the other two hiddens must be citizens.

Citizen softclaim?

[Sen]

Citizen softclaim?
Common sense.
I don't softclaim.

[deathworlds]

You could be changing your strategy. I plan on doing so every so often.

And you do not know if they are specifically citizens. We would still need another non-doctor protective to balance out the KPN

[deathworlds]

What other investigatives?
The investigator is dead, and if we trust ika, he's the hidden one.
The hidden town was a blacksmith, the other two hiddens must be citizens.

Also you dodging the question. What visited you?

[Sen]

You could be changing your strategy. I plan on doing so every so often.

And you do not know if they are specifically citizens. We would still need another non-doctor protective to balance out the KPN

There's a hidden protective.
If you mean that we also need a hidden town to be a protective, for a total of three protectives, then you're insane.

[SuperJack]

Does a spree count as just one person dead or multiple?

Multiple...