S-FM 109: Stacking The Deck

[Poriomania]

Welcome to Stacking The Deck (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Stack_the_Deck), a S-FM for 12 players.


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Setup Thread (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/22763-S-FM-Stacking-The-Deck)

The setup is a semi-open setup that offers the mafia the choice between a low powered or high powered setup, depending on which options they choose.

Role List
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia


Win Conditions
Town: Eliminate the scum.
Mafia: Outnumber or equal the town.

At the beginning of the game, all Phase One role cards are sent out, which are

2x Mafia Goon
1x Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof Traitor
9x Citizen

The mafia then have 24 hours to talk and select any of these three role modifications:

Make a Goon bulletproof
Make a Goon become a jack-of-all-trades (1-shot ninja and 1-shot strongman)
Change a Goon to a consigilere
Recruit the traitor as a Goon
Enable Daychat for the mafia team

Then the town is dealt 2+x of the following power roles at random to different Citizens, where x is the number of abilities the Mafia selected. No role is used twice.

Goon Sheriff
Escort
Innocent Child
Bodyguard
Detective
Vigilante

The new role cards are sent out, then the game begins.

1. I am the Mod thy God. If a dispute arises, my decision is final. That said, I am not infallible - if I make a mistake or you have a question, please inform me of the problem (preferably via PM or green text) and I will correct it.

2. 48 hour Days, 24 hour Nights. The game will start at Day 1. Be prepared to talk.

3. No editing posts, PM quoting, PMing, all that jazz. I don't want to modkill players.

4. There are no jesters, cults, or anything that disrupts the core spirit of the game. Behavioral Analysis is Behavioral Analysis, and you'll have to hone your skills to succeed in this game.

5. Rolecalling early will not break the game. The setup will punish you if you try to mod or flavorgame it. I don't recommend it!

6. The only game discussion should take place in the observer chat, in the thread.

7. Respect your fellow players, and have fun. If you don't have fun, I will modkill you or replace you, and that would be bad, wouldn't it?

8. No invisible ink or cryptotext.

9. There will be no last wills for this game.



Alive
1. Mateo, Mafia Goon, triumphant.
2. Citrus, Mafia Goon, triumphant.

Dead
powerofdeath, Bodyguard, lynched Day 1
Blazer, Innocent Child, killed Night 1
clementine, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 2
42shadow42, Citizen, killed Night 2
Kusco, Citizen, lynched Day 3
Orpz, Escort, killed Night 3
Tonex, Citizen, killed Night 4
ika, Citizen, lynched Day 5
ypmagic, Citizen, endgamed Day 5.
RLVG, Citizen, endgamed Day 5.

Reserves
1. Kingmado
2. madbird20

(/observe)
1. Banshis
2. powerofdeath
3. Blazer
4. clementine
5. 42shadow42
6. Kusco
7. Orpz

[Poriomania]

All new role cards have been assigned. It is now Day 1.

With 12 alive, it's 7.

The Deadline is in 48 hours. (http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=september+18+5%3A00+pm+pacific+standard+time&x=-1311&y=-71)

Blazer is the innocent child and is mod-confirmed town.

[ika]

GUISE, GUISE I HAVE A LEAD, BLAZER IS TOWN

also im a highly important role so i should have a bg tonight

[powerofdeath]

Important town role here, Blazer is town.

[ika]

and to get things rollling and a wecome back

clementine

first topic of discussion, if you were a mafia scum what powerups would you chose and why

[powerofdeath]

*molest Blazer the innocent child*

[powerofdeath]

and to get things rollling and a wecome back

clementine

first topic of discussion, if you were a mafia scum what powerups would you chose and why

None
According to porio game history, mafia won twice in a row because of town with low amount of power roles

[Tonex]

Someone here is lying, cuz I'm an important town role as well...

[Tonex]

Yeah none, cuz then Mafia would only need to worry about 2 powers, which aren't that hard to kill.

[powerofdeath]

Someone here is lying, cuz I'm an important town role as well...

I counterclaim -vote Tonex

[ika]

somethign just hit me

did you random.org the town prs? assuming we are not using all 5

this is under the suspiction that mafia did not take all 3 powers, personally i would of gone full force and gotten 3 powers

[Tonex]

And it's obvious that Mafia will kill the Innocent Child so there's only 1 power left

[ika]

Someone here is lying, cuz I'm an important town role as well...

what if mafia took 3 powers and we are all prs!

[Tonex]

I counterclaim -vote Tonex

Countercounterclaim powerofdeath

[powerofdeath]

what if mafia took 3 powers and we are all prs!

Each power role is unique

[Tonex]

What if people are trolling because we are all citizens

[ika]

And it's obvious that Mafia will kill the Innocent Child so there's only 1 power left

sounds like you know something? dont forget we have a a chance of bg so while it would be good to kill blazer, they have to decide what the other pr might be. they could go and attack blazed but might end up losing themselfs to a bg so it would be a 1-1 hit

[powerofdeath]

Countercounterclaim powerofdeath

This hurt... My vote was fake

[Tonex]

Lel real men troll with real votes.

[powerofdeath]

Wow... Bg will not kill the attacker, but die in place of the defendee

[Tonex]

Guaranteed power death tonight

[Tonex]

Seems like it turns out that rather than being one of the best roles, Innocent Child is the shittiest

[ika]

Wow... Bg will not kill the attacker, but die in place of the defendee

oh really?

does target that get defended get feedback about being protected?

[Tonex]

At least the powers are randomly redistributed every day

[ika]

At least the powers are randomly redistributed every day

host confirm that?

i dont remember seeing that but then again im lazy to go check setups once game begins

[Citrus]

I'm pretty sure redistribution of powers if from the Random S-FM and not this one?

[ika]

I'm pretty sure redistribution of powers if from the Random S-FM and not this one?

thats what i was thinking

[ika]

I'm pretty sure redistribution of powers if from the Random S-FM and not this one?

i gtg but plz see my disucssion questiona nd answer i will be back

[powerofdeath]

Since Ika is gone, I'll take the place as town leader.

[Tonex]

Owait I thought that the Mafia could choose their mods every night, my bad.

[Citrus]

I myself would think daychat would be a ton of fun (haven't played any mafia games with this kind of equivalent), but probably not worth it with just 2 mafia members in it. Maybe recruit + daychat combo? If I'm understanding Traitor correctly.

[Citrus]

Owait I thought that the Mafia could choose their mods every night, my bad.

lolwut, that would be quite ridiculous. Or I guess it would be very similar to the other S-FM, just with vast limitations on role distribution etc.

[powerofdeath]

I myself would think daychat would be a ton of fun (haven't played any mafia games with this kind of equivalent), but probably not worth it with just 2 mafia members in it. Maybe recruit + daychat combo? If I'm understanding Traitor correctly.

It would be similar to Sen's Legendary SFM

[Tonex]

Town just lost if maf didn't choose any power. 3 maf vs town and 1 power.

[Tonex]

Was thinking that maybe 1 night they want 2 mods, the next they want 1 or some shit like that.

[powerofdeath]

Owait I thought that the Mafia could choose their mods every night, my bad.

No Tonex, they choose the powers.

Since recruit know their mafia buddies but does not share night chat.
I was wondering if 3 people in a night chat is worth it

[powerofdeath]

Town just lost if maf didn't choose any power. 3 maf vs town and 1 power.

Town get 2 + X power role
If mafia didnt pick anything we still have 2 PRs

[Citrus]

Reading further through: what's the use of bulletproof when only 1 town PR possibility can actually kill? I'm leaning towards 3 powerups or 0 to be honest (with 0 being quite scary considering we have an Innocent Child amongst us). And detective as a possibility but not lookout :(

[powerofdeath]

Reading further through: what's the use of bulletproof when only 1 town PR possibility can actually kill? I'm leaning towards 3 powerups or 0 to be honest (with 0 being quite scary considering we have an Innocent Child amongst us). And detective as a possibility but not lookout :(

Blazer is the innocent child. Once again town get 2+X power roles
If mafia pick nothing it will be 2+0=2 PRs

[Citrus]

Town get 2 + X power role
If mafia didnt pick anything we still have 2 PRs

1 PR being the innocent child.

Very high chance the mafia knocks him out due to:

A: Second town PR is bodyguard. Bg blocks and dies, no new info next day, left with only the IC

B: Second town PR is not bodyguard. IC dies, nothing preventable/no effect on other TPR actions/feedback

Plus if mafia did not choose to recruit their traitor, they don't want to kill him/her on accident. Hence very safe day1 kill. It's arguably worse we have an IC in a sense...

[powerofdeath]

Nevermind I misunderstood you Citrus

[Citrus]

And by day1 kill I mean night1 kill but I digress...

[Citrus]

No worries ^^

[Citrus]

Can vigilante shoot night 1?

No reason why he wouldn't be able to but then again I don't know

[Tonex]

But the Child is dead tonight, unless the BG blocks, but the BG dies as well. Mafia will take the guaranteed town since no one can do anything that will hurt them. No doctor to prevent the night kill, BG still dies and doe snot kill the attacker, no Lookout, and Detective would already be on the Goon so he would still be found out.

[powerofdeath]

Citrus, you really should get an avatar, i seen you a lot but sometimes i forgot you were Citrus. Also it help the newer players and the veterans who been gone for a while to remember who you are.

[Citrus]

Hold on, I take it back. Traitor's vest is basically most useful for mafia realizing who Traitor is (doubtful I guess for it to occur due to vigil shot). Though then town realizes this has occurred, so it's still preferable no matter what as I see it for mafia to shoot IC n1

[Tonex]

The maf doesn't even have to worry about shooting the traitor unless there is a vig, since the traitor has a one-time vest so mafia will know that when their target does not die who the traitor is. Unless there is a vig who previously/same night attacks the traitor.

[Tonex]

OK GUYS GET READY TO SCUM HUNT TO THE MAX

[Poriomania]

did you random.org the town prs? assuming we are not using all 5



Yes.



does target that get defended get feedback about being protected?

No.


Can vigilante shoot night 1?



Yes.

[powerofdeath]

Last wills are off

[powerofdeath]

So the town have no way of finding anything

[Citrus]

Citrus, you really should get an avatar, i seen you a lot but sometimes i forgot you were Citrus. Also it help the newer players and the veterans who been gone for a while to remember who you are.

Heh good call, I went ahead and did so

No last will either. Idk if it would be worth a bodyguard protecting the IC tonight, should one exist...

[powerofdeath]

Woops cut short

So the town have no way of finding out if bg died defending or was just murdered

[Blazer]

Well this is interesting.

Innocent Child would really screw this game if we only had 2 town PRs

[Tonex]

Are those a grapefruit, an orange, a lemon, and a lime?

None of you seem mafia yet Clementine

[Citrus]

Woops cut short

So the town have no way of finding out if bg died defending or was just murdered

Wait, it won't even tell us how he died?? O.o

Are death descriptions off?

Well hell, if we only have 1 town PR we may be literally screwed due to the IC...QQ

[powerofdeath]

Well this is interesting.

Innocent Child would really screw this game if we only had 2 town PRs

This game will be pure scumhunting then

[Blazer]

Are those a grapefruit, an orange, a lemon, and a lime?

None of you seem mafia yet Clementine

I wish clementine was IC, I can't really trust her >.< but I await to see her response and participation in Day Chat.

I don't really see the need to be voting people right now though.

[Blazer]

Wait, it won't even tell us how he died?? O.o

Are death descriptions off?

Well hell, if we only have 1 town PR we may be literally screwed due to the IC...QQ

There are automatically 2 town PRs to begin with.

[Citrus]

Are those a grapefruit, an orange, a lemon, and a lime?

None of you seem mafia yet Clementine

Damn, you're good. Care to guess which one is mafia and which 3 are town? :D

[Poriomania]

Are death descriptions off?



Yes.

[Citrus]

There are automatically 2 town PRs to begin with.

When I say 1 TPR, I mean 1 hidden PR. I'm a little worried you'll leave us tonight Blazer :(

[Citrus]

I wish clementine was IC, I can't really trust her >.< but I await to see her response and participation in Day Chat.

I don't really see the need to be voting people right now though.

From past performance? He/she hasn't posted yet right?

[Blazer]

What you guys don't realize is this. We have 2 roles in the beginning and then AFTER the mafia decides we get more roles.

What does this mean?

It means mafia got upgrades. I was a citizen to begin with. This means that we now have at least 3 town power roles.

[Blazer]

From past performance? He/she hasn't posted yet right?

She and META is bad. MK.

[powerofdeath]

From past performance? He/she hasn't posted yet right?

Clem and blazers are basically ancient.
They been here for a while, way before my time, even before Ika's time:

[Tonex]

We most likely only have the 2 PRs, all the mafia mods suck:

Make a Goon bulletproof - Prolly no vig
Make a Goon become a jack-of-all-trades (1-shot ninja and 1-shot strongman) - Prolly no detective, maybe escort or BG
Change a Goon to a consigilere - Who need s a consig if there are only 2 PRs?
Recruit the traitor as a Goon - Just find via shoot -> not die
Enable Daychat for the mafia team - 2 PR = so easy, don't even need to chat at all

[powerofdeath]

What you guys don't realize is this. We have 2 roles in the beginning and then AFTER the mafia decides we get more roles.

What does this mean?

It means mafia got upgrades. I was a citizen to begin with. This means that we now have at least 3 town power roles.

Does the 2 power roles get their roles before mafia choose their abilites or after?

[Blazer]

Clem and blazers are basically ancient.
They been here for a while, way before my time, even before Ika's time:

Are you two the "new generation"? lol

Guys I just told you all we have at least 3 town PRs. Also this excludes any other citizens turned PR.

[Citrus]

What you guys don't realize is this. We have 2 roles in the beginning and then AFTER the mafia decides we get more roles.

What does this mean?

It means mafia got upgrades. I was a citizen to begin with. This means that we now have at least 3 town power roles.

I thought all townies get phase one citizen role, then PRs get upgraded roles? Per the link to mafiascumwiki on the first post, so no knowledge of mod numbers is disseminated?

[Blazer]

Does the 2 power roles get their roles before mafia choose their abilites or after?

Read the setup please.

[Blazer]

At the beginning of the game, two of these roles will be assigned at random for the town:

Bodyguard
Goon Sheriff
Innocent Child
Escort
Detective
Vigilante

The mafia may select up to three of these following role modifications:

Make a Goon bulletproof
Make a Goon become a jack-of-all-trades (1-shot ninja and 1-shot strongman)
Change a Goon to a consigilere
Recruit the traitor as a Goon
Enable Daychat for the mafia team

For each additional role modification the mafia selects, the town will receive an additional power role chosen at random. No roles will be used twice.

This

[powerofdeath]

I want to let you guys know that RLVG read this thread but did not post anything
RLVG is lurking, as usual
RLVG

[Blazer]

Mafia KNOWS we have at least 3 power roles, so I feel obligated to inform you citizens before you say "OH ITS IMPOSSIBRU!"

[Citrus]

When it said Town Power Roles are assigned at random before Mafia chooses powerups, does it mean the roles are decided on or they are literally assigned out to individuals at that time?

[powerofdeath]

Are you two the "new generation"? lol

Guys I just told you all we have at least 3 town PRs. Also this excludes any other citizens turned PR.

Naw, the "new" generation are Citrus, Tonex and Kuzco
They are extremely new but Citrus been around for like 2 months or so

[Citrus]

7 people have not checked in yet if I'm not mistaken

[Blazer]

When it said Town Power Roles are assigned at random before Mafia chooses powerups, does it mean the roles are decided on or they are literally assigned out to individuals at that time?

Everyone gets a role card. Mafia picks upgrades. New Role Cards Come out with EXTRA PRs.
^call me out if im wrong host ;)

[Poriomania]

When it said Town Power Roles are assigned at random before Mafia chooses powerups, does it mean the roles are decided on or they are literally assigned out to individuals at that time?

The roles are not assigned out to individuals. They are assigned, however.
It goes like this:

- Send out Phase One Role Cards
- Assign two town power roles
- Mafia choose the role modifiers
- I assign additional town power roles based on the number of role modifications the mafia get.
- New town power role PMs are sent.
- Game starts.

[Blazer]

We most likely only have the 2 PRs, all the mafia mods suck:

Make a Goon bulletproof - Prolly no vig
Make a Goon become a jack-of-all-trades (1-shot ninja and 1-shot strongman) - Prolly no detective, maybe escort or BG
Change a Goon to a consigilere - Who need s a consig if there are only 2 PRs?
Recruit the traitor as a Goon - Just find via shoot -> not die
Enable Daychat for the mafia team - 2 PR = so easy, don't even need to chat at all

This sits fishy with me. Who wouldn't want a day chat?! I mean that means you get to talk to your mafia buddies 24/7.

-vote Tonex For now.

[Citrus]

Naw, the "new" generation are Citrus, Tonex and Kuzco
They are extremely new but Citrus been around for like 2 months or so

Yeah I'm new lol, this is my third S-FM? So still learning the ropes heh.

Yo Blazer. Just wanted to say told you so. But it's ok, you're still an innocent child, I forgive you :P

[Blazer]

Yeah I'm new lol, this is my third S-FM? So still learning the ropes heh.

Yo Blazer. Just wanted to say told you so. But it's ok, you're still an innocent child, I forgive you :P

Told me so for what? Where was I wrong?

[Citrus]

This sits fishy with me. Who wouldn't want a day chat?! I mean that means you get to talk to your mafia buddies 24/7.

-vote Tonex For now.

Also nice fake vote lolz.

Host answered, all PRs are given citizen originally, then updated at Phase Two

[Tonex]

Naw, the "new" generation are Citrus, Tonex and Kuzco
They are extremely new but Citrus been around for like 2 months or so

Don't count me, I'm only here cuz you kept raging at me to do forum mafia every few days.

Modifications in order of likelihood imo:
1. Consig
2. Jack
3. Recruit
4. Bulletproof
5. Day chat

[Blazer]

The roles are not assigned out to individuals. They are assigned, however.
It goes like this:

- Send out Phase One Role Cards
- Assign two town power roles
- Mafia choose the role modifiers
- I assign additional town power roles based on the number of role modifications the mafia get.
- New town power role PMs are sent.
- Game starts.

Um what? Thank you.

[powerofdeath]

I see Ypmagic lurking too

[Blazer]

So host sends out x9 citizen cards in phase 1?

[Blazer]

I'm going to hang myself now.

[powerofdeath]

Don't count me, I'm only here cuz you kept raging at me to do forum mafia every few days.

Modifications in order of likelihood imo:
1. Consig
2. Jack
3. Recruit
4. Bulletproof
5. Day chat

Raging? Am i that assertive :o
I thought I just asked you

[Poriomania]

So host sends out x9 citizen cards in phase 1?

Yes. 9x Citizen cards, 2x Mafia Goon, and 1x Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof Traitor.

[Tonex]

The roles are not assigned out to individuals. They are assigned, however.
It goes like this:

- Send out Phase One Role Cards
- Assign two town power roles
- Mafia choose the role modifiers
- I assign additional town power roles based on the number of role modifications the mafia get.
- New town power role PMs are sent.
- Game starts.

So all town starts off as citizen, the two ppl get their power roles, mafia chooses mods, then town gets additional powers?

[Citrus]

When it said Town Power Roles are assigned at random before Mafia chooses powerups, does it mean the roles are decided on or they are literally assigned out to individuals at that time?



The roles are not assigned out to individuals. They are assigned, however.
It goes like this:

- Send out Phase One Role Cards
- Assign two town power roles
- Mafia choose the role modifiers
- I assign additional town power roles based on the number of role modifications the mafia get.
- New town power role PMs are sent.
- Game starts.

AKA PRs not given out during phase one (or I'm misreading terribly and should just go to sleep)

[Blazer]

Yes. 9x Citizen cards, 2x Mafia Goon, and 1x Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof Traitor.

Yeah i just double read that in the setup and post #1 >.> "assign" tripped me up.

[Blazer]

AKA PRs not given out during phase one (or I'm misreading terribly and should just go to sleep)

No no. I should go to sleep. And then in all likelyhood we either have 2 PRs or MAYBE 3.

[Citrus]

Can I say I told you so now? :D

[Citrus]

Yeah I don't see the pull for more powers. Honestly JOAT isn't that special either unless there's a bg/escort.

Unless you could double kill with it, so that's two nights of 2kpn?

[Blazer]

Can I say I told you so now? :D

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG

[Tonex]

Weded

[Citrus]

:(

Wellp I'll be back later.

Just another thought I'd add ->

Would not pick bulletproof or Jack of all Trades.

Would not pick Daychat without Traitor recruitment.

May pick consig.

So:

A: 0 powerups

B: 1 powerup (consig)

C: 3 powerups (daychat, Traitor, consig)

Would be my top guesses I think? I'll leave it at that and pop back in later

[powerofdeath]

:(

Wellp I'll be back later.

Just another thought I'd add ->

Would not pick bulletproof or Jack of all Trades.

Would not pick Daychat without Traitor recruitment.

May pick consig.

So:

A: 0 powerups

B: 1 powerup (consig)

C: 3 powerups (daychat, Traitor, consig)

Would be my top guesses I think? I'll leave it at that and pop back in later

D: same as C without consig would be my sexond choice

[42shadow42]

As long as we are on the topic my choice of powerups as mafia are as follows.

#1 (Best Choice)
Recruit

#2 (Second Best Choice)
Recruit

#3 (Other Viable Option)
Recruit

On that note.

Blazer

[Blazer]

As long as we are on the topic my choice of powerups as mafia are as follows.

#1 (Best Choice)
Recruit

#2 (Second Best Choice)
Recruit

#3 (Other Viable Option)
Recruit

On that note.

Blazer

Too bad I'm jester.

Going afk for a .... while...

[powerofdeath]

As long as we are on the topic my choice of powerups as mafia are as follows.

#1 (Best Choice)
Recruit

#2 (Second Best Choice)
Recruit

#3 (Other Viable Option)
Recruit

On that note.

Blazer

42! Blazer is innocent child aka confirmed town

[42shadow42]

42! Blazer is innocent child aka confirmed town

Interesting, my vote stands!

[Tonex]

Interesting, my vote stands!

Either troll town or has balls so big, not sure how I didn't notice them outside my window.

[Orpz]

I'm going to be honest this game.
This game I am Town.
This game I am Citizen.

I did not read.
I see Blazer is confirmed Town.
I think Goon is a crap name compared to Mafioso, but to each his own.

I'm going to random vote now.
ika

[Orpz]

No, I have a better idea.
I'm going to now unvote ika.

If I was Mafia, I would have taken 2 powerups. Recruit the Traitor and Enable Daychat. I think that would give OP communication and execution power. Check for people who are in trouble that are taking a long time to respond between posts. They might be consulting their day chat.
-vote Blazer

[Tonex]

Or they could be afk or just carefully writing their post

[Orpz]

Or they could be afk or just carefully writing their post

That's buying time and wasting time. Only scums do that when under pressure. Town should not have to choose words to show their Townness.

[Orpz]

I'm going to leave now and do homework. It is my hopes that Mafia will be honest and confess their roles. People shouldn't lie in Mafia.

[Tonex]

Lol, and while we're at it, Syria should give up their chemical weapons. And all communist countries should become capitalist.

[ika]

orpz leaves as i come back XD

anyway orpz made fake vote on blazer and random votes me. fair enough, pod tries to take leader while im gone and stir discussion, leaning towns, blazer said he was a cit that means that we have 2 other prs and mafia took at least one power

new discussion: if you took one of the powers what would it be? i would chose jack of trades if only one.
also another topic: if you took 2 or 3 pwers what would it be

rlvg and yp lurks has been noted as well. i do have sevreal other matters ot attend to so i will be partly here

[Tonex]

Does jack allow multiple kills in one night?

[ika]

hmmm tonex give me an odd vibe. i dont trust him. although he has been active he seems to have sheeped with me on clem. im thinking tonex is inexperince town or scum right now.

[Tonex]

1. This is my second game of FM, though I suppose you could argue that that doesn't really matter.
2. I feel that the Mafia this game is extremely overpowered, so this is just me not giving much of a fuck.

[Tonex]

*Me just

[ika]

1. This is my second game of FM, though I suppose you could argue that that doesn't really matter. i would use that
2. I feel that the Mafia this game is extremely overpowered, so this is just me not giving much of a fuck. elaborate on this i dont understand

see quote

[Kusco]

Holy shit the discussion.

From what I read of the setup I would have chosen no upgrades in lieu of 3. The town would need to depend on the daychat and be pretty crippled at night. Hopefully they didn't do this or we only have one real PR in the form of not-innocent child.

[Kusco]

I don't believe all the PR claims from what seems to be everyone. It just seems to be a bit too many.

In fact, I don't believe any of those claims

[ika]

Holy shit the discussion.

From what I read of the setup I would have chosen no upgrades in lieu of 3. The town would need to depend on the daychat and be pretty crippled at night. Hopefully they didn't do this or we only have one real PR in the form of not-innocent child.

did yyou read what blazer has said. we have deducted they have chosen at least one power

[ika]

I don't believe all the PR claims from what seems to be everyone. It just seems to be a bit too many.

In fact, I don't believe any of those claims

Question who do you trust?

[clementine]

Hey everyone, it's nice to see y'all again. And howdy to all the new faces out there. :]

Right off the bat, I don't like Tonex for sheeping ika and for pulling the "This is my second S-FM card" to explain his odd behavior. I don't really understand what 42shadow42 or Orpz are doing either by voting the Innocent Child. Come on guys, this isn't just a troll day!

I want to remind everyone that there are no last wills in this game so it's really important for PR's to balance when they choose to reveal.

[Orpz]

I am going to be lurking in this thread until I finish my HW.

[Orpz]

I think everyone should hypo to communicate their night actions without revealing.

[clementine]

Kusco, I have heard great things about you. Let's see if you live up to your reputation :P

[clementine]

haha Orpz, bringing out the Hypo plan. Hey, that was mine in FM 16, and I was scum when I proposed it...

[Kusco]

did yyou read what blazer has said. we have deducted they have chosen at least one power

If you're referring to the post about the role card schedule. I think he's wrong about that. I think that every town got a citizen card and then after the mafia were done the x+2 PR cards were sent out. It would be much easier for Porio on his part as the randomness is just one step instead of several.

[Tonex]

You could argue that even though it's my first forum mafia, I could have gained relevant experience from other things.

There are 2.5 Mafia, and my guess is that we have 2 powers, since the Mafia mods are useless imo. One power is confirmed to everyone and will be killed tonight, since there's no possible negative affects from killing him. Thus, it becomes Town and one power versus 2.5 Mafia, which leaves 80% of the game to scum hunting. In my experience, scum hunting does not greatly affect the game probabilistically (though there are always the cases where someone makes a Freudian slip), so odds are that Town will lose. Because I am a citizen, and am almost certain that my faction will lose, I don't really give a fuck about anything, so I will easily sheep, troll, and afk.

[Kusco]

Kusco, I have heard great things about you. Let's see if you live up to your reputation :P

Well this is still my second S-FM :P

I can still fail but I will try to live up to my (growing?) reputation.

[Kusco]

The roles are not assigned out to individuals. They are assigned, however.
It goes like this:

- Send out Phase One Role Cards
- Assign two town power roles
- Mafia choose the role modifiers
- I assign additional town power roles based on the number of role modifications the mafia get.
- New town power role PMs are sent.
- Game starts.

Nevermind about my thinking that the mafia wouldn't choose mods. Quick reread proved me wrong. I wonder what mods they took though...

[Tonex]

did yyou read what blazer has said. we have deducted they have chosen at least one power

Read the whole thread, porio stated that at first all town is assigned Citizen. Then 2 people are assigned power. Then Mafia chooses mods. Then extra power roles are given out.

[powerofdeath]

You could argue that even though it's my first forum mafia, I could have gained relevant experience from other things.

There are 2.5 Mafia, and my guess is that we have 2 powers, since the Mafia mods are useless imo. One power is confirmed to everyone and will be killed tonight, since there's no possible negative affects from killing him. Thus, it becomes Town and one power versus 2.5 Mafia, which leaves 80% of the game to scum hunting. In my experience, scum hunting does not greatly affect the game probabilistically (though there are always the cases where someone makes a Freudian slip), so odds are that Town will lose. Because I am a citizen, and am almost certain that my faction will lose, I don't really give a fuck about anything, so I will easily sheep, troll, and afk.

What is this?
Tonez

[Tonex]

Hey everyone, it's nice to see y'all again. And howdy to all the new faces out there. :]

Right off the bat, I don't like Tonex for sheeping ika and for pulling the "This is my second S-FM card" to explain his odd behavior. I don't really understand what 42shadow42 or Orpz are doing either by voting the Innocent Child. Come on guys, this isn't just a troll day!

I want to remind everyone that there are no last wills in this game so it's really important for PR's to balance when they choose to reveal.

I specifically mentioned that I wasn't using "This is my second S-FM card" because one could argue that I got experience elsewhere.

[Tonex]

What is this?
Tonez

*Tonex

[powerofdeath]

I have very strange vibe from Tonex. Not sure if bad town who gave up day 1 or mafia

[powerofdeath]

Tonex
Right

[Kusco]

Yes. 9x Citizen cards, 2x Mafia Goon, and 1x Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof Traitor.

Goddamnit, I wish people wouldn't be so confusing.

[42shadow42]

Takes notes, from pregame. I have concluded that Ika, Powerofdeath, and 42shadow42 are mafia!

[Tonex]

I have very strange vibe from Tonex. Not sure if bad town who gave up day 1 or mafia

Didn't entirely give up, just freed myself of inhibitions. Almost as if I were high.

[powerofdeath]

Takes notes, from pregame. I have concluded that Ika, Powerofdeath, and 42shadow42 are mafia!

So youre Traitor? Because me and ika don't know who is the traitor.

[Tonex]

Takes notes, from pregame. I have concluded that Ika, Powerofdeath, and 42shadow42 are mafia!

Nope, from popular opinion:
Goon 1: Tonex
Goon 2: Tonex
Traitor: Tonex

[Kusco]

Cut out the bullshit. This is not a troll day. If you people don't stop I'm going to take action against both of you.

[powerofdeath]

Cut out the bullshit. This is not a troll day. If you people don't stop I'm going to take action against both of you.

Cant help it, its like a big family reunion.
Havent seen shadow,
Blazer first SFM in a long time
Clementine's return
Ika's back from 'I am done'
And tonex is tonex

[Tonex]

Cut out the bullshit. This is not a troll day. If you people don't stop I'm going to take action against both of you.

The real goon steps in.

[Kusco]

Cant help it, its like a big family reunion.
Havent seen shadow,
Blazer first SFM in a long time
Clementine's return
Ika's back from 'I am done'
And tonex is tonex

And you're the drunk uncle.

You can go back to molesting the kids after the business meeting.

[ika]

The roles are not assigned out to individuals. They are assigned, however.
It goes like this:

- Send out Phase One Role Cards
- Assign two town power roles
- Mafia choose the role modifiers
- I assign additional town power roles based on the number of role modifications the mafia get.
- New town power role PMs are sent.
- Game starts.

Becasue poeple are not paying attention to the game kuso and tonex are my scum fos right now

[ika]

tonex

i also find it odd tonex claim citizen so early on and is merly like "fuck town"

a town would not do that, especially one as important as me

[powerofdeath]

tonex

i also find it odd tonex claim citizen so early on and is merly like "fuck town"

a town would not do that, especially one as important as me
Ika... You do that as a town

[Kusco]

Becasue poeple are not paying attention to the game kuso and tonex are my scum fos right now

You can focus on whoever you like but your reason here is pretty annoying since there's a split as to the interpretation of Porio's setup. You have that quote and it can be interpreted as the PR roles are sent out with the citizen role cards but then there's this quote:

Yes. 9x Citizen cards, 2x Mafia Goon, and 1x Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof Traitor.
Which omits any PR cards sent out.

I bet that the roles were assigned, but not sent until the mafia were done choosing the mods. I can imagine this would be for more guessing on the town's part. If Porio sent out the cards before the mafia discussion, then we would need one PR (like Blazer) to "prove" the mafia had taken mods.

I doubt that's the case

[Tonex]

Imo, everyone but the afk, lurkers, and maybe Clementine (not enough posts) are town. Look towards the silent for Mafia.

[powerofdeath]

You could argue that even though it's my first forum mafia, I could have gained relevant experience from other things.

There are 2.5 Mafia, and my guess is that we have 2 powers, since the Mafia mods are useless imo. One power is confirmed to everyone and will be killed tonight, since there's no possible negative affects from killing him. Thus, it becomes Town and one power versus 2.5 Mafia, which leaves 80% of the game to scum hunting. In my experience, scum hunting does not greatly affect the game probabilistically (though there are always the cases where someone makes a Freudian slip), so odds are that Town will lose. Because I am a citizen, and am almost certain that my faction will lose, I don't really give a fuck about anything, so I will easily sheep, troll, and afk.

Kusco, what do you think of this post?

[Kusco]

Imo, everyone but the afk, lurkers, and maybe Clementine (not enough posts) are town. Look towards the silent for Mafia.

Shut up then.

Look to everyone for mafia. Last FM I was very vocal AND mafia. They aren't exclusive, you know

[Tonex]

tonex

i also find it odd tonex claim citizen so early on and is merly like "fuck town"

a town would not do that, especially one as important as me

You don't understand the feeling of resignation when you realize you're screwed over?

[Tonex]

Shut up then.

Look to everyone for mafia. Last FM I was very vocal AND mafia. They aren't exclusive, you know

You looked scummy from D1 though. No one else "looks" scummy this game.

[ika]

You can focus on whoever you like but your reason here is pretty annoying since there's a split as to the interpretation of Porio's setup. You have that quote and it can be interpreted as the PR roles are sent out with the citizen role cards but then there's this quote:

Which omits any PR cards sent out.

I bet that the roles were assigned, but not sent until the mafia were done choosing the mods. I can imagine this would be for more guessing on the town's part. If Porio sent out the cards before the mafia discussion, then we would need one PR (like Blazer) to "prove" the mafia had taken mods.

I doubt that's the case

Then lets clear it up all toghther

how does the order go for role sent out?

is it that 9 starting citizens and then prs after, or 7 citizen with prs first? the two quotes seem to contridict each other

[ika]

Shut up then.

Look to everyone for mafia. Last FM I was very vocal AND mafia. They aren't exclusive, you know

They can be, right now you are trying to be leader when i have discussion questions going on already, you shoudl answer them instead of trying to change topics

[Kusco]

Kusco, what do you think of this post?
His guess is as good as mine about the mods.

But Tonex is stupid for thinking that scum hunting is stupid. It's a pretty good indicator of scum. There's a reason why it's called scum "hunting" and not scum "guessing"

In my experiences with the party game, PRs rarely do anything worthwhile. Of course, that may be an indicator of my friends' skill rather than the usefulness of the PRs.

[ika]

You don't understand the feeling of resignation when you realize you're screwed over?

your never screwed over untill you are 100% certain, the game also just begun.

[Kusco]

They can be, right now you are trying to be leader when i have discussion questions going on already, you shoudl answer them instead of trying to change topics

Point them out. I may have missed them in my quick overview of the thread. I shall answer them.

[powerofdeath]

You looked scummy from D1 though. No one else "looks" scummy this game.

As a scum, you want to look like youre scumhunting.
As a town, you are scumhunting

Sometimes people will have different play style with either one of them.
You can tell a huge difference between if ika was scum or not

[ika]

Point them out. I may have missed them in my quick overview of the thread. I shall answer them.

ok here a quick summeray of my disussion questions:

A) if you were scum what pwers would you chose and why (you already answered)
B) if you had to chose one power what would it be? 2 powers? 3 powers?
C) based off interactions so far who do you think is scum
D) if you were to suggest night actions (ie who they should target) for the prs what would you suggest (this one i just thought of)

[Tonex]

His guess is as good as mine about the mods.

But Tonex is stupid for thinking that scum hunting is stupid. It's a pretty good indicator of scum. There's a reason why it's called scum "hunting" and not scum "guessing"

In my experiences with the party game, PRs rarely do anything worthwhile. Of course, that may be an indicator of my friends' skill rather than the usefulness of the PRs.

I'm not saying scum hunting is stupid, if there was no scum hunting it would be impossible to win this game. I'm saying that it's just people playing psychologist, sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't.

[ika]

As a scum, you want to look like youre scumhunting.
As a town, you are scumhunting

Sometimes people will have different play style with either one of them.
You can tell a huge difference between if ika was scum or not

So POD, who do you think is scum right now, i have noted your slight buddying with me but i am shruggin it off

[Tonex]

your never screwed over untill you are 100% certain, the game also just begun.

Please randomly pick an ace out of a deck of 52 cards.

[clementine]

My thoughts on the possible mafia upgrades:
Bulletproof - only useful if a vigilante tries to shoot you, very situational.
Role Cop - Important addition if you're going for a lot of modifications,
JOAT - counters the tracker and bodyguard, can win the game if used well, but really situational
Daytalk - pretty useful in terms of coordinating, I think this is the most powerful upgrade.
Recruit Traitor as Mafia Goon - useful because it eliminates potential accidental friendly fire and makes daytalk more useful as well.

Personally, if I was scum I would either pick no upgrades or just the traitor recruitment in order to keep the number of town pr's low. I doubt that scum picked 3 buffs because some of the mafia buffs aren't very visible so scum will want to keep an open window for fake claims. 2 buffs means that if scum fake claims a PR, they end up at a high risk of being CC'ed and it just doesn't make sense for mafia to pick 3 buffs. Therefore, it makes the most sense for scum to pick one or no upgrades. If it was me, I would opt for none...

[42shadow42]

Please randomly pick an ace out of a deck of 52 cards.

Sorry, its completely irrelevant but I have to mention how ludicrous that sounds.

As for my analysis, I have review the first 150 posts and I have conclude that

#1 Blazer is the traitor.
#2 Tonex is mafia.
#3 The other mafia is a pro.

Tonex

[ika]

Please randomly pick an ace out of a deck of 52 cards.

that is completely diffrent from what we are doing right now

but for your information that is a 4/52 chance, or 1/13 or about 7.7% if i did it correct

[powerofdeath]

So POD, who do you think is scum right now, i have noted your slight buddying with me but i am shruggin it off

Tonex so far, I am pressuring Tonex to speak so I can determine whether or not he is scum or bad citizen.
I have town read on you
Citrus is most likely town, he lurked as scum(or as neut)
I will look closely to Kusco.
As for the others, they need to post more often.

[Kusco]

ok here a quick summeray of my disussion questions:

A) if you were scum what pwers would you chose and why (you already answered)
B) if you had to chose one power what would it be? 2 powers? 3 powers?
C) based off interactions so far who do you think is scum
D) if you were to suggest night actions (ie who they should target) for the prs what would you suggest (this one i just thought of)

B) I would recruit the goon for 1, for 2 powers I would choose Consig and Jack of all trades, for 3 I would choose Consig, Jack of all trades and mafia daychat
C) I think that all of you are scum until proven innocent. No use to ask me that.
D) I don't plan on becoming a hypocrite anytime soon. I don't tell people what to do unless I'm proven town and have good information.

[Orpz]

haha Orpz, bringing out the Hypo plan. Hey, that was mine in FM 16, and I was scum when I proposed it...

Everyone should do it 8)

Tonex

I want Tonex to start sounding like Meryl Streep

[ika]

B) I would recruit the goon for 1, for 2 powers I would choose Consig and Jack of all trades, for 3 I would choose Consig, Jack of all trades and mafia daychat
C) I think that all of you are scum until proven innocent. No use to ask me that.
D) I don't plan on becoming a hypocrite anytime soon. I don't tell people what to do unless I'm proven town and have good information.

i never said to tell someone what to do, i said suggest. you not answering d means one of 2 things to me.

[Orpz]

ok here a quick summeray of my disussion questions:

A) if you were scum what pwers would you chose and why (you already answered)
B) if you had to chose one power what would it be? 2 powers? 3 powers?
C) based off interactions so far who do you think is scum
D) if you were to suggest night actions (ie who they should target) for the prs what would you suggest (this one i just thought of)

A) Daychat and Recruit Traitor
B) Daychat, Daychat Recruit Traitor, JOAT Daychat Recruit Traitor
C) Kusco, PoD, ypmagic
D) Too lazy and busy

[Kusco]

Sorry, its completely irrelevant but I have to mention how ludicrous that sounds.

As for my analysis, I have review the first 150 posts and I have conclude that

#1 Blazer is the traitor.
#2 Tonex is mafia.
#3 The other mafia is a pro.

Tonex
Ah, I guess you are the pro, based on the analysis.

Now actually contribute to the discussion instead of being an ass-pimple. Nobody likes those.

And stop sheeping, people. Tonex is also being a faggot.

TOO MANY TROLLS

[Orpz]

Note that I don't think Tonex is scum.

[Kusco]

i never said to tell someone what to do, i said suggest. you not answering d means one of 2 things to me.

Part of that one of ALL two possible meanings better mean that I'm not going to be a hypocrite. Stop being stupid and realize that there are more than 2 possibilities here.

[powerofdeath]

A) Daychat and Recruit Traitor
B) Daychat, Daychat Recruit Traitor, JOAT Daychat Recruit Traitor
C) Kusco, PoD, ypmagic
D) Too lazy and busy

Said 3 people are scums, yet vote someone not in the list

[ika]

Ah, I guess you are the pro, based on the analysis.

Now actually contribute to the discussion instead of being an ass-pimple. Nobody likes those.

And stop sheeping, people. Tonex is also being a faggot.

TOO MANY TROLLS

Its not trolls its interaction, i know what shadow is doing. you should learn to be so scummy right now

[powerofdeath]

Note that I don't think Tonex is scum.

I missed that

[ika]

Part of that one of ALL two possible meanings better mean that I'm not going to be a hypocrite. Stop being stupid and realize that there are more than 2 possibilities here.

Stop yelling the the person who is trying to spark discussion here right now.

[Kusco]

Its not trolls its interaction, i know what shadow is doing. you should learn to be so scummy right now

His "interaction" gives nearly nothing to work with. You may be satisfied with half-brained responses but I want substance.

[Kusco]

Stop yelling the the person who is trying to spark discussion here right now.

Stop being irrational then?

[42shadow42]

Its not trolls its interaction, i know what shadow is doing. you should learn to be so scummy right now


Noooooo, My meta has been detected. *Designs new meta*. Ok all good.

[ika]

Stop being irrational then?

define irrational

[Orpz]

I have a case against PoD today. It's too weak to go on after night actions and stuff without new eveidence, but strong enough for Day 1 pressure. I'll make a write-up after I finish my stats hw. PoD you should think about what you've done. tsk tsk

[Orpz]

define irrational

Unable to be rewritten as a fraction a/b where a and b are integers.

[powerofdeath]

I have a case against PoD today. It's too weak to go on after night actions and stuff without new eveidence, but strong enough for Day 1 pressure. I'll make a write-up after I finish my stats hw. PoD you should think about what you've done. tsk tsk

Ive been naughty haven't I? *sadface*

[Tonex]

Tonex so far, I am pressuring Tonex to speak so I can determine whether or not he is scum or bad citizen.
I have town read on you
Citrus is most likely town, he lurked as scum(or as neut)
I will look closely to Kusco.
As for the others, they need to post more often.

My "reads" since I still think that most everyone is town:
ika - 65% Town, scum hunting very seriously, possibly mafia because quickly jumped at the chance of making me a d1 scapegoat
PoD - 85% Town, scum hunting fairly seriously, trying to test and agreeing with majority opinion
Citrus - 80% Town, from what I've seen, looks mostly town with contributions, but not enough current data to analyze
Kusco - 75% Town, active scum hunting, does not look as scummy as last gme, but could just be my misconceptions
42 - 70% Town, can't really tell past the lightheartedness
Clementine - 55% Town, seems less town because less active and not as helpful posts, so not as much contributions, but could just be busy
Blazer - 100% Town

[Kusco]

define irrational

Right now you are missing quite a bit of information. You need to look behind people's responses to your questions. And not just the cursory, "he didn't answer this question so he must be scum/stupid/arrogant" or "he answered so he must be town/smart/meek"

I, too, am sparking discussion. Just not necessarily in the way that you like. Too bad the world doesn't conform to your preferences.

[42shadow42]

I have a case against PoD today. It's too weak to go on after night actions and stuff without new eveidence, but strong enough for Day 1 pressure. I'll make a write-up after I finish my stats hw. PoD you should think about what you've done. tsk tsk

+1 town points.


My "reads" since I still think that most everyone is town:
ika - 65% Town, scum hunting very seriously, possibly mafia because quickly jumped at the chance of making me a d1 scapegoat
PoD - 85% Town, scum hunting fairly seriously, trying to test and agreeing with majority opinion
Citrus - 80% Town, from what I've seen, looks mostly town with contributions, but not enough current data to analyze
Kusco - 75% Town, active scum hunting, does not look as scummy as last gme, but could just be my misconceptions
42 - 70% Town, can't really tell past the lightheartedness
Clementine - 55% Town, seems less town because less active and not as helpful posts, so not as much contributions, but could just be busy
Blazer - 100% Town

+1 mafia points

[Tonex]

Forgot Orpz - 70% Town, not enough posts, not much help from what he has posted

[powerofdeath]

I dislike how 4 people jumped on Tonex's train

And orpz is voting Tonex even though he doesnt think Tonex is scum

[42shadow42]

Right now you are missing quite a bit of information. You need to look behind people's responses to your questions. And not just the cursory, "he didn't answer this question so he must be scum/stupid/arrogant" or "he answered so he must be town/smart/meek"

I, too, am sparking discussion. Just not necessarily in the way that you like. Too bad the world doesn't conform to your preferences.

Sparking anti town discussion does not win you town points.

[Tonex]

My "reads" since I still think that most everyone is town:
ika - 65% Town, scum hunting very seriously, possibly mafia because quickly jumped at the chance of making me a d1 scapegoat
PoD - 85% Town, scum hunting fairly seriously, trying to test and agreeing with majority opinion
Citrus - 80% Town, from what I've seen, looks mostly town with contributions, but not enough current data to analyze
Kusco - 75% Town, active scum hunting, does not look as scummy as last gme, but could just be my misconceptions
42 - 70% Town, can't really tell past the lightheartedness
Clementine - 55% Town, seems less town because less active and not as helpful posts, so not as much contributions, but could just be busy
Blazer - 100% Town

Ika meant to be 75

[ika]

Well i have to go, i am thinking with tonex at l-3 and now sitting here, i find it odd. while i think pod might have some scummyness in him with his heavy buddy with me im willing to see how it lays out

@kuso or its that fact i know already know a lot more about this then you think

[42shadow42]

I'd like to note that Clementine came and went very quickly, it may be relevant later.

[powerofdeath]

Well i have to go, i am thinking with tonex at l-3 and now sitting here, i find it odd. while i think pod might have some scummyness in him with his heavy buddy with me im willing to see how it lays out

@kuso or its that fact i know already know a lot more about this then you think

Note: I am the first person to vote Tonex

[ika]

Sparking anti town discussion does not win you town points.

that kuso is why i am deeming you scum, if you want to spark discussion as well, what you should do is answer the first discussion questions and then follow it up with either a new question or a follow up

[ika]

Note: I am the first person to vote Tonex

noted

[powerofdeath]

But yeah Im going to bed

[42shadow42]

Note: I am the first person to unvote Tonex

Noted.

[Orpz]

No you're not PoD.

[Orpz]

But yeah Im going to bed

^meant for this post. You stay right here for a bit.

[Tonex]

I'd like to note that Clementine came and went very quickly, it may be relevant later.

Part of the reason I find him scummy, quickly comes and spouts some stuff and then disappears.

[Kusco]

Ika, questions are not the only form of discussion mongering.

Tonex, I think Clem is not a man. Why are you focusing Clementine? Is that some sick orange concentrate joke?

Many people have come and gone. Surely, you will go eventually. You cannot be here forever.

[42shadow42]

I'd like to explore the associations between PoD and Clementine.

@Clementine when you show up write at least 3 observations about PoD
@PoD when you show up write at least 2 observations about Clementine.

[ika]

Just to clairfy clem is infact a female

[42shadow42]

</Irrelevance>

Thank You.

[Kusco]

Just to clairfy clem is infact a female

I got that feeling from her writing style. Thanks for confirming.

[Orpz]

As a scum, you want to look like youre scumhunting.
As a town, you are scumhunting

PoD only looks like he's scumhunting. He points out lurkers even though the game is Day 1, and doesn't follow up on his questioning of Kusco.


So youre Traitor? Because me and ika don't know who is the traitor.

Ika... You do that as a town

This buddying seems like an attempt to associate yourself with ika and try to make ika seem Town to get you cleared by association. Also, your first post in this game mirrored ika's.
wow much scum so mafai.

Powerofdeath
Time to sing

[Tonex]

Ika, questions are not the only form of discussion mongering.

Tonex, I think Clem is not a man. Why are you focusing Clementine? Is that some sick orange concentrate joke?

Many people have come and gone. Surely, you will go eventually. You cannot be here forever.

I generally refer to everyone in the military style of he/him unless I am explicitly told otherwise.

[Orpz]

I've friended everyone who's posted recently ^^

[Kusco]

I generally refer to everyone in the military style of he/him unless I am explicitly told otherwise.

Side-stepping the real question: Why are you focusing Clem when everybody leaves?

Bolded so that you can see the question.

[Tonex]

Ika, questions are not the only form of discussion mongering.

Tonex, I think Clem is not a man. Why are you focusing Clementine? Is that some sick orange concentrate joke?

Many people have come and gone. Surely, you will go eventually. You cannot be here forever.

And it's a gut feeling.

[42shadow42]

I've friended everyone who's posted recently ^^

Damn, I thought I was special....

[Tonex]

Side-stepping the real question: Why are you focusing Clem when everybody leaves?

Bolded so that you can see the question.

I actually didn't read that second part until after I posted.

[Orpz]

Damn, I thought I was special....

Yeah, didn't want anyone getting the wrong message that I was trying to communicate or something. Just thought it was time to get a friends list.

[42shadow42]

I have an interesting theory about the mafia, but I will not reveal it at this time.

[Kusco]

I actually didn't read that second part until after I posted.

I see your answer. Now why do you go with a gut feeling? Do you have evidence? Do you know something? Do you want to spread suspicion and confusion?

If the answer is yes to any of these questions then, by all means, let us know. Right now I see you try to focus someone in some way to defend yourself from the scum hunt going on.

Let me tell you right now. It's not successful.

[Tonex]

And it's a gut feeling.

And it's how little she actually contributes. And the way she contributes. But I also trust my gut over my analysis since I am not a psychologist.

[Tonex]

I see your answer. Now why do you go with a gut feeling? Do you have evidence? Do you know something? Do you want to spread suspicion and confusion?

If the answer is yes to any of these questions then, by all means, let us know. Right now I see you try to focus someone in some way to defend yourself from the scum hunt going on.

Let me tell you right now. It's not successful.

Even if you lynch me, I will stand by my gut feeling that Clementine is a goon.

[Kusco]

Yeah, didn't want anyone getting the wrong message that I was trying to communicate or something. Just thought it was time to get a friends list.


Your friends list is empty

;(

[42shadow42]

Yeah, didn't want anyone getting the wrong message that I was trying to communicate or something. Just thought it was time to get a friends list.

Anyways, I have more info to expand on your case vs, PoD, but first we should pressure tonex, I get the feeling he will snap under pressure.

[Orpz]

Tonex

PoD went to bed anyways. 5 hours earlier than he usually sleeps :worried:

[42shadow42]

Tonex

PoD went to bed anyways. 5 hours earlier than he usually sleeps :worried:

WAIT! I'm not the only one with a rotating schedule?

[Kusco]

Orpz, now we are friends

Tonex, if your gut feeling is that Clementine is mafia. Look at her fucking posts and pick them apart. If you can't do that then bring up your suspicion once, then someone should get around to analyzing it. You're just being a fool who's trying to get attention off of him.

That's not good.

[Orpz]

I am going to lurk in this thread until I finish exercising.

[Tonex]

Orpz, now we are friends

Tonex, if your gut feeling is that Clementine is mafia. Look at her fucking posts and pick them apart. If you can't do that then bring up your suspicion once, then someone should get around to analyzing it. You're just being a fool who's trying to get attention off of him.

That's not good.

Wait 1 sec and I will. Also, although this is just WIFOM, as a side note I would choose ika to bring off my attention, since it seems like he hates my guts (at least in this FM).

[42shadow42]

Wait 1 sec and I will. Also, although this is just WIFOM, as a side note I would choose ika to bring off my attention, since it seems like he hates my guts (at least in this FM).

Can we get a role claim, thanks!

[Tonex]

Hey everyone, it's nice to see y'all again. And howdy to all the new faces out there. :]

Right off the bat, I don't like Tonex for sheeping ika and for pulling the "This is my second S-FM card" to explain his odd behavior. I don't really understand what 42shadow42 or Orpz are doing either by voting the Innocent Child. Come on guys, this isn't just a troll day!

I want to remind everyone that there are no last wills in this game so it's really important for PR's to balance when they choose to reveal.

Useless post, just trying to get ppl to dislike me even though I specifically mentioned when I said "Second FM" it didn't really count as my reason.


Kusco, I have heard great things about you. Let's see if you live up to your reputation :P

Useless post


haha Orpz, bringing out the Hypo plan. Hey, that was mine in FM 16, and I was scum when I proposed it...

Useless post


My thoughts on the possible mafia upgrades:
Bulletproof - only useful if a vigilante tries to shoot you, very situational.
Role Cop - Important addition if you're going for a lot of modifications,
JOAT - counters the tracker and bodyguard, can win the game if used well, but really situational
Daytalk - pretty useful in terms of coordinating, I think this is the most powerful upgrade.
Recruit Traitor as Mafia Goon - useful because it eliminates potential accidental friendly fire and makes daytalk more useful as well.

Personally, if I was scum I would either pick no upgrades or just the traitor recruitment in order to keep the number of town pr's low. I doubt that scum picked 3 buffs because some of the mafia buffs aren't very visible so scum will want to keep an open window for fake claims. 2 buffs means that if scum fake claims a PR, they end up at a high risk of being CC'ed and it just doesn't make sense for mafia to pick 3 buffs. Therefore, it makes the most sense for scum to pick one or no upgrades. If it was me, I would opt for none...

After a huge period of afk, just this 1 post. A little useful even though a lot of this logic has been said before. Then radio silence again. 1 useful post out of 4 posts total does not sit well with me. Isn't even trolling like 42.

[Tonex]

You could argue that even though it's my first forum mafia, I could have gained relevant experience from other things.

There are 2.5 Mafia, and my guess is that we have 2 powers, since the Mafia mods are useless imo. One power is confirmed to everyone and will be killed tonight, since there's no possible negative affects from killing him. Thus, it becomes Town and one power versus 2.5 Mafia, which leaves 80% of the game to scum hunting. In my experience, scum hunting does not greatly affect the game probabilistically (though there are always the cases where someone makes a Freudian slip), so odds are that Town will lose. Because I am a citizen, and am almost certain that my faction will lose, I don't really give a fuck about anything, so I will easily sheep, troll, and afk.

Just for some context.

[42shadow42]

After a huge period of afk, just this 1 post. A little useful even though a lot of this logic has been said before. Then radio silence again. 1 useful post out of 4 posts total does not sit well with me. Isn't even trolling like 42.

I don't troll, I'm completely serious.

[42shadow42]

Just for some context.

Are you suggesting you expected us to believe that claim under no pressure.

Are you officially claiming citizen?

[ika]

Night everyone, will check in, in the morning.

[Kusco]

Useless post, just trying to get ppl to dislike me even though I specifically mentioned when I said "Second FM" it didn't really count as my reason.



Useless post



Useless post



After a huge period of afk, just this 1 post. A little useful even though a lot of this logic has been said before. Then radio silence again. 1 useful post out of 4 posts total does not sit well with me. Isn't even trolling like 42.

Now you're getting somewhere. Does any specific section of the "useful" post raise any flags? In what way is it scummy besides plagiarism? Does it cause chaos? Confusion? Suspicion?

I'm not seeing any of those things in any of her posts.

I also disagree with your classification of her first post. It is actually useful. She is telling us who she is likely to FoS and that PRs should be careful with their reveals moreso in this game than other games.

[42shadow42]

Now you're getting somewhere. Does any specific section of the "useful" post raise any flags? In what way is it scummy besides plagiarism? Does it cause chaos? Confusion? Suspicion?

I'm not seeing any of those things in any of her posts.

I also disagree with your classification of her first post. It is actually useful. She is telling us who she is likely to FoS and that PRs should be careful with their reveals moreso in this game than other games.

Really kusco? Let me show you how its done?

[Kusco]

Really kusco? Let me show you how its done?

Absolutely. Let me learn your many and varied ways so that I may hunt the scum across the earth.

Shower this grasshopper with wisdom, master.

Please go die in a hole or post some actual substance.

[Tonex]

Are you suggesting you expected us to believe that claim under no pressure.

Are you officially claiming citizen?

I said it in the past, no reason to deny it now. So yes, I am a Citizen.


Now you're getting somewhere. Does any specific section of the "useful" post raise any flags? In what way is it scummy besides plagiarism? Does it cause chaos? Confusion? Suspicion?

I'm not seeing any of those things in any of her posts.

I also disagree with your classification of her first post. It is actually useful. She is telling us who she is likely to FoS and that PRs should be careful with their reveals moreso in this game than other games.

The FoS is not useful, because it would be the same FoS as if she accused me in a later post. Cautioning the PRs is actually not beneficial at all, unless the PRs were shitty and did not read the setup. Just wins her some freebie Town points from people like you. Her posts don't need to cause chaos, confusion or suspicion. If it were that easy, we'd have found the mafia already. The mere fact that she isn't raising suspicion at all is part of what is making me suspicious of her. She is too innocuous and imo it seems her entire goal so far is to attract as little attention as possible while posting the bear minimum to be not labeled as a lurker. (She does cast suspicion on me, but I'm acting suspicious already, so I'm not counting that.)

[clementine]

I'm actually still here, I just got caught up in a call. :P

[Kusco]

I said it in the past, no reason to deny it now. So yes, I am a Citizen.



The FoS is not useful, because it would be the same FoS as if she accused me in a later post. Cautioning the PRs is actually not beneficial at all, unless the PRs were shitty and did not read the setup. Just wins her some freebie Town points from people like you. Her posts don't need to cause chaos, confusion or suspicion. If it were that easy, we'd have found the mafia already. The mere fact that she isn't raising suspicion at all is part of what is making me suspicious of her. She is too innocuous and imo it seems her entire goal so far is to attract as little attention as possible while posting the bear minimum to be not labeled as a lurker. (She does cast suspicion on me, but I'm acting suspicious already, so I'm not counting that.)

Stop right there. The bolded part is important. You target her for not being suspicious and casting suspicion on you. There are many lurkers who aren't even close to being in the spotlight. You're just focusing her because you think she puts suspicion on you.

You are misinterpreting an opinion with reason as a way to undermine your trustworthiness.

I dislike you because you are trying to get someone on stage so you're not in the focus anymore. I'm not adding suspicion to you. I'm finding something suspicious in your behavior.

Please stop being stupid. Or continue. You'll just lose so much credibility.

[42shadow42]

Hey everyone, it's nice to see y'all again. And howdy to all the new faces out there. :]

Right off the bat,1. I don't like Tonex for sheeping ika and for pulling the "This is my second S-FM card" to explain his odd behavior. I don't really understand what 42shadow42 or 2. Orpz are doing either by voting the Innocent Child. Come on guys, 3. this isn't just a troll day!

4. I want to remind everyone that there are no last wills in this game so it's really important for PR's to balance when they choose to reveal.

1. Note the avatar, enough said.
2. Orpz didn't ever vote the innocent child.
3. As if everyone didn't know that already.
4. See post #51 I think this has already been covered.


5. Kusco, I have heard great things about you. Let's see if you live up to your reputation :P

5. I repeat </Irrelevance>


haha Orpz, bringing out the Hypo plan. 6. Hey, that was mine in FM 16, and I was scum when I proposed it...

6. Implied logic seem's backward to me.





7. 30 minutes later...

My thoughts on the possible mafia upgrades:
Bulletproof - only useful if a vigilante tries to shoot you, very situational.
Role Cop - Important addition if you're going for a lot of modifications,
JOAT - counters the tracker and bodyguard, can win the game if used well, but really situational
Daytalk - pretty useful in terms of coordinating, I think this is the most powerful upgrade.
Recruit Traitor as Mafia Goon - useful because it eliminates potential accidental friendly fire and makes daytalk more useful as well.

8. Personally, if I was scum I would either pick no upgrades or just the traitor recruitment in order to keep the number of town pr's low. I doubt that scum picked 3 buffs because some of the mafia buffs aren't very visible so scum will want to keep an open window for fake claims. 2 buffs means that if scum fake claims a PR, they end up at a high risk of being CC'ed and it just doesn't make sense for mafia to pick 3 buffs. 9. Therefore, it makes the most sense for scum to pick one or no upgrades. If it was me, I would opt for none...

7. I don't know about you guys, but I thought about this long ago. Why the 30 minute wait to post?

8. My idea!

9. Contradicts with 8.....

Anyone want to play devil's advocate?

[42shadow42]

9. Contradicts with 8.....


Ignore this point, i read the first part wrong, its exactly same point but less substance.

[42shadow42]

I'm actually still here, I just got caught up in a call. :P

You should:


Defend against my analysis.
Respond to my question.

[Tonex]

Stop right there. The bolded part is important. You target her for not being suspicious and casting suspicion on you. There are many lurkers who aren't even close to being in the spotlight. You're just focusing her because you think she puts suspicion on you.

You are misinterpreting an opinion with reason as a way to undermine your trustworthiness.

I dislike you because you are trying to get someone on stage so you're not in the focus anymore. I'm not adding suspicion to you. I'm finding something suspicious in your behavior.

Please stop being stupid. Or continue. You'll just lose so much credibility.

No... I'm saying that she's suspicious because what she is posting is not useful and is just trying to up her post count without looking suspicious. Suppose there was such a clear cut thing such as "Oh he's trying to confuse/raise suspicion/create chaos us" = Mafia and "Oh he's not doing any of those" = Town, then the Mafia would go for not confusing/raising suspicion/create chaos and generally raising the least attention they can.

Also, it's not like I'm not suspicious of the lurkers, but all I can say is that they haven't posted. Other than that, I have no evidence against them simply because they do not post.

I don't care that I'm suspicious, since I already figure that town is screwed. I'm just posting what I believe is true.

[clementine]

I like being suspicious because it ensures my survival past Night 1 of the game. In this case with an Innocent child, past Night 2 of the game.

Also, jsyk, post count doesn't increase in the S-FM games.

[Tonex]

2. Orpz didn't ever vote the innocent child.
3. As if everyone didn't know that already.
4. See post #51 I think this has already been covered.
5. I repeat </Irrelevance>
6. Implied logic seem's backward to me.
7. I don't know about you guys, but I thought about this long ago. Why the 30 minute wait to post?
8. My idea!

Anyone want to play devil's advocate?

2 She prolly didn't care enough to actually see that it was a fake vote
3 Well there are ppl taking today seriously, like ika and Kusco
4-5, 7-8 Part of the point I'm trying to tell Kusco
6 Doesn't really matter, as even if it was scum-made doesn't make it a bad strat (tho I don't know the hypo plan)

[Tonex]

I like being suspicious because it ensures my survival past Night 1 of the game. In this case with an Innocent child, past Night 2 of the game.

Also, jsyk, post count doesn't increase in the S-FM games.

Yes, I realize, I'm referring to the number of posts you have made in this FM, not the actual "Posts" value below your avatar. Also, if you like being suspicious, why aren't your other posts suspicious as well? Atm it just seems like an excuse for your unsuspicious, but actually suspicious behavior.

[clementine]

Yes, I realize, I'm referring to the number of posts you have made in this FM, not the actual "Posts" value below your avatar. Also, if you like being suspicious, why aren't your other posts suspicious as well? Atm it just seems like an excuse for your unsuspicious, but actually suspicious behavior.

lolwut

[Tonex]

Yeah that last line was a piece of shit. Just can't really refer to your suspicious unsuspicious behavior very well.

[Mateo]

hey im reading thru the chat on page 8 now