Day 6: The Silence before the Slaughter

[Forum Mafia GM]

13
- the hammer will not end the day.

- Living Players -
FM Aerie
FM Ajantis
FM Branwen
FM Cernd
FM Coran
FM Dynaheir
FM Faldorn
FM Garrick
FM Haer-Dalis
FM Jaheira
FM Jan
FM Kagain
FM Keldorn
FM Khalid
FM Kivan
FM Korgan
FM Montaron
FM Nalia
FM Tiax
FM Valygar
FM Xan
FM Xzar
FM Yeslick
FM Yoshimo

- The Deceased -
FM Edwin the Cleric - beaten to death by enraged adventurers
FM Skie the Enchanter - killed by a trap
FM Eldoth the Explorer - killed by a trap
FM Viconia the Explorer - burnt to a crisp by enraged adventurers
FM Minsc the Herald - died by magic
FM Mazzy the Assassin - died by weapons
FM Quayle the Illusionist - died by magic
FM Safana the ??? - died by weapons
FM Sarevok the Arcane Trickster - died by magic
FM Anomen the Explorer - slaughtered by enraged adventurers
FM Imoen the Diviner killed by a trap.
FM Alora the Harper Guardian - struck down by Bhaal's wrath.
FM Shar-Teel the Quartermaster - hanged by enraged adventurers.

Day 6 will end at this time: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=0.30+gmt+september+13th+2013

[FM Montaron]

Hmm, I'm not sure, but did he fail the riddle but survive it?

[FM Coran]

Hmm, I'm not sure, but did he fail the riddle but survive it?

Riddle failed, Khalid survived.

[FM Valygar]

Well that is certainly morbid...

[FM Yoshimo]

I yet breathe.

[FM Yoshimo]

At least Khalid isn't a thief.

[FM Kivan]

And Inner Sanctum is still closed. Goddammit.

I told you guys we should've left two questions unanaswered!

[FM Jan]

So, I was in heartwarder chat last nite with very towny person.
This guys is towny :)

[FM Cernd]

FM Montaron

[FM Kivan]

Well, you guys will probably go for Jaheira, and I will probably join you soon, but...

FM Haer-Dalis

There's just no way his clues are legit.

[FM Cernd]

I'm not going for Jaheira.
Montaron is my new prey.

[FM Montaron]

I'm not going for Jaheira.
Montaron is my new prey.

What have I done to anger you this time, m'dear?

[FM Cernd]

There's just no way his clues are legit.
^ Every scum on Viconia's train.

[FM Faldorn]

FM Garrick claims to know my role.

I would like FM Garrick to tell everyone what my role is, and why ^_^

[FM Cernd]

What have I done to anger you this time, m'dear?
This, for starters.
Trying to be nice and friendly won't save you.

[FM Yoshimo]

FM Shar-Teel the Quartermaster - hung by enraged adventurers. Just to piss off the hosts: The correct grammar here is "hanged" rather than "hung". When the meaning is put to death by hanging the past tense and past participle is always "hanged". "Hung" is completely incorrect in this instance. This is relevant because the quality of the hosts' clue grammar was used as an argument to lynch Viconia the Explorer.

[FM Kivan]

Cernd, care to give us some arguments? Montaron is nowhere near my Town reads, but I just don't see enough scum in him.

[FM Montaron]

This, for starters.
Trying to be nice and friendly won't save you.

Oh, but tell me more. I'm not too sure what I've done wrong.
And I was always nice and friendly. Except with Korgan.

[FM Yoshimo]

HEIL GRAMMAR SIEG HEIL

[FM Khalid]

Just to piss off the hosts: The correct grammar here is "hanged" rather than "hung". When the meaning is put to death by hanging the past tense and past participle is always "hanged". "Hung" is completely incorrect in this instance. This is relevant because the quality of the hosts' clue grammar was used as an argument to lynch Viconia the Explorer.

^I lol'd

Right, well it looks like I survived! Though I'm quite annoyed at the fact the puzzle failed. I really thought the answer was right ugh.
...well now what do I do...first off, someone lied about their clues, so I'm going to have to say FM Haer-Dalis

[FM Khalid]

Oh, and I was in fact in the heartwarder chat last night!

[FM Yeslick]

FM Montaron

"Oh! what a superior man," said Candide below his breath. "What a great genius is this Pococurante! Nothing can please him."
I have to sheep Cernd for this man is a great genius.

[FM Montaron]

FM Montaron

"Oh! what a superior man," said Candide below his breath. "What a great genius is this Pococurante! Nothing can please him."
I have to sheep Cernd for this man is a great genius.

Not in the least surprised, coming from you, Yeslickins.

Keep them coming; maybe Cernd will give us his thoughts someday. Who knows, maybe he has information that we, myself included, don't have.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Just to piss off the hosts: The correct grammar here is "hanged" rather than "hung". When the meaning is put to death by hanging the past tense and past participle is always "hanged". "Hung" is completely incorrect in this instance.

FM Yoshimo was found modkilled this morning. Her role was Grammar Nazi.

Edit: This is not a real modkill

[FM Yoshimo]

FM Yoshimo was found modkilled this morning. Her role was Grammar Nazi.

+1

[FM Jan]

FM Yoshimo was found modkilled this morning. Her role was Grammar Nazi.

Thank god... I hate grammar nazi

[Forum Mafia GM]

Dat Edit reason.

[FM Yeslick]

Not in the least surprised, coming from you, Yeslickins.

Keep them coming; maybe Cernd will give us his thoughts someday. Who knows, maybe he has information that we, myself included, don't have.

Why the fuck is "He's not giving reasoning so I'm innocent" being used so widely as a defense?

[FM Cernd]

I fully plan to roleclaim tomorrow, by the way.
Well...

[FM Yoshimo]

Dat Edit reason.

How would you feel if I told you there was another glaring mistake?

Lol jokes, there's not.

Or is there?

[FM Montaron]

Why the fuck is "He's not giving reasoning so I'm innocent" being used so widely as a defense?

I haven't said that, hun. All I said is, if he has information, he should share it with all of us before going ''Montaron is my target lul'' on us.

I've already said in the puzzle chat that I would most likely claim my role today, if the town wanted me to. I may or may not have information myself.

[Forum Mafia GM]

How would you feel if I told you there was another glaring mistake?

Lol jokes, there's not.

Or is there?


Oh there is, i'm sure.

[FM Kivan]

Since both Khalid and Jan claimed:

Code: liguqhzvqmxeqnwrjakejmgneskzusj
Key: sophisticatedkeyphrasethistime
Phrase: turnipgnomeandstutteringwarrior

Turnip Gnome = Jan, Stuttering Warrior = Khalid ^^

[FM Jaheira]

AHM BACK. AND I'M NOT DEAD. This is... somewhat shocking.


HEIL GRAMMAR SIEG HEIL

HEIL.

Also


You can't seem to remember exactly what happened last night. Were you dreaming? You vaguely recall someone stopping you from doing whatever you had planned. You were roleblocked.


Why the fuck is "He's not giving reasoning so I'm innocent" being used so widely as a defense?

Cause knowing what you're being accused for reduces chances of slippage. Mafia 101.


How would you feel if I told you there was another glaring mistake?

Lol jokes, there's not.

Or is there?


The WIFOM is strong in this one.

[FM Cernd]

if he has information, he should share it with all of us before going ''Montaron is my target lul'' on us.
So you can adjust your claim accordingly? lol, no.

[FM Montaron]

So you can adjust your claim accordingly? lol, no.

You don't have to share it if you don't want to. If the rest of the town decide that I should go ahead, then I will.
Not sure if it is in our best interest actually, but hey!

[FM Montaron]

Actually, I'm not claiming until Gerik gives us his guess as to what I am.

I'd love to hear your guesses, too, people. Duke? Harper Paragon? Assassin? Prophet? Half-Dragon?

Bring them in, I want to hear it all!

Please your God, Montaron the Great!

[FM Kivan]

-vote FM Montaron

Please claim.

[FM Cernd]

You literally said: "I fully plan to roleclaim tomorrow".

Stop wasting my time.

"If the Town decides..." <- Every scum ever.

[FM Faldorn]

Actually, I'm not claiming until Gerik gives us his guess as to what I am.

I'd love to hear your guesses, too, people. Duke? Harper Paragon? Assassin? Prophet? Half-Dragon?

Bring them in, I want to hear it all!

Please your God, Montaron the Great!

No, FM Garrick names mine first! :D

[FM Montaron]

-vote FM Montaron

Please claim.

Why, you that seemed to not think of me as scum, decided to join this rather silly train now?
I'm telling you now, It's not an Explorer claim, and it might be best kept hidden.

[FM Cernd]

Actually, I'm not claiming until Gerik gives us his guess as to what I am.

I'd love to hear your guesses, too, people. Duke? Harper Paragon? Assassin? Prophet? Half-Dragon?

Bring them in, I want to hear it all!

Please your God, Montaron the Great!

^ Please give me time to make some shit up. Also, suggestions are welcome.

[FM Montaron]

^ Please give me time to make some shit up. Also, suggestions are welcome.

I can't make shit up. There is solid evidence that I am, what I am. It is undeniable.

[FM Montaron]

I can't make shit up. There is solid evidence that I am, what I am. It is undeniable.

... Or I could just get CC'd. But the scum that would try and pull this out would be pretty wack.

[FM Jaheira]

I am, what I am.

That's deep. Really deep.

[FM Jaheira]

I'll CC you if it makes you feel better ^.^

[FM Cernd]

There is solid evidence that you're wasting my time and that you are a liar with no honor.

Whatever. If that's your choice, we can let your dead body speak for you.

[FM Montaron]

There is solid evidence that you're wasting my time and that you are a liar with no honor.

Whatever. If that's your choice, we can let your dead body speak for you.

I may be a Bhaalspawn too. It would make you waste a lynch, you don't want this to happen, that would be even worse, no?

You should probably work on someone else while I sit there and laugh at your puny attempt.

[FM Kivan]

Montaron, I assume Cernd has his reason for voting you, so please claim. Since you promised us you will claim today I don't see a reason why shouldn't you keep your word.

[FM Cernd]

I may be a Bhaalspawn too. It would make you waste a lynch, you don't want this to happen, that would be even worse, no?

You should probably work on someone else while I sit there and laugh at your puny attempt.
You aren't a Bhaalspawn.

Let's see what your dead body has to say regarding my "puny" attempt.
You can't escape the wrath of Cernd. You're already dead.

[FM Kivan]

So Montaron's defence is being a Bhaalspawn, hmm.

[FM Montaron]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_manxnf2NGi1rhnbc9o1_500.gif

[FM Cernd]

Kivan, you forgot the "FM" in your vote.

[FM Kivan]

I didn't. I'm just voting two people at once.

[FM Cernd]

Alright.

[FM Valygar]

You can't escape the wrath of Cernd. You're already dead.

You can scream and cry all you want, but Cernd always gets what he wants. Always.

In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind having a roleclaim from Montaron now since he seems to unwilling to claim a role, but I still think we've got bigger fish to fry (Jaheira, Coran). As far as the clues go, it's Haer Dalis's word against Keldorn, correct?

[FM Khalid]

You can scream and cry all you want, but Cernd always gets what he wants. Always.

In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind having a roleclaim from Montaron now since he seems to unwilling to claim a role, but I still think we've got bigger fish to fry (Jaheira, Coran). As far as the clues go, it's Haer Dalis's word against Keldorn, correct?

Basically. It seems Jaheira is rbed, so if she's Prophet we don't need to worry about any more converts. If Keldorn/Haer-Dalis gets lynched and flips cult, we can try to invert their clue and see if that causes anything to make sense.

[FM Khalid]

Keldorn:

Our Lord shall return.
It has been written.
The wicked shall burn.
The righteous are smitten.
Ammon the wicked.
Betrayer of Bhaal.
Tis time he was silenced.
Fore he ruins us all.
-Grobnar the Great

Raise your warhammer and crush the Skull of a Man. This is done in the ritual of Death. When performing this ritual, never speak the following words.
“From serf or foe, for justice or revenge, tis all the same. When the threads of mortality are shattered and carnage bestowed from one mortal upon another, honour is brought to our Lord.”
-Khelgar




Haer-Dalis:

The following words are best said before the altar of Destruction.
“The Broken Ones weep tears of blood in our moment of triumph. For when their hallowed halls crumble to dust, even they lack the strength to resist the darkness of the void inside of their hearts.”

Do not accompany these words with the wrapping of a Bramble Branch around your forearm, for that would be heresy.
-Sand


There are their posted clues

[FM Khalid]

wait did Haer-Dalis have any more?

[FM Ajantis]

Who said Jaheira was roleblocked? You are the same guy who propagated the idea that Shar-Teel is a Lunatic. Too bad you didn't die to the trap. Haer-Dalie or something is a Bard. Likely converted.

FM Jaheira

[FM Ajantis]

wait did Haer-Dalis have any more?

Yours also suspiciously short.

[FM Khalid]

I'm of the mindset Haer-Dalis lied personally, since the items resolve better if we keep Keldorn's then if we change the Ritual.

Didn't Jaheira say she was rbed?

Ajantis withheld part of his clue, so he's also a reason this Sanctum wasn't openable

[FM Khalid]

Yours also suspiciously short.

Said the one with just a poem that does literally nothing useful in opening the Sanctum.

Plus everyone else had two hints per puzzle, except you

[FM Khalid]

Keldorn:



Our Lord shall return.
It has been written.
The wicked shall burn.
The righteous are smitten.
Ammon the wicked.
Betrayer of Bhaal.
Tis time he was silenced.
Fore he ruins us all.
-Grobnar the Great

Raise your warhammer and crush the Skull of a Man. This is done in the ritual of Death. When performing this ritual, never speak the following words.
“From serf or foe, for justice or revenge, tis all the same. When the threads of mortality are shattered and carnage bestowed from one mortal upon another, honour is brought to our Lord.”
-Khelgar


Haer-Dalis:



The following words are best said before the altar of Destruction.
“The Broken Ones weep tears of blood in our moment of triumph. For when their hallowed halls crumble to dust, even they lack the strength to resist the darkness of the void inside of their hearts.”

Do not accompany these words with the wrapping of a Bramble Branch around your forearm, for that would be heresy.
-Sand

The Obsidian Dagger and the Obsidian Amulet are used together in the same ritual.


There's the full hints posted by the two of them. We can lynch Haer-Dalis and then plan for those words to be spoken at a different Altar

[FM Khalid]

Who said Jaheira was roleblocked? You are the same guy who propagated the idea that Shar-Teel is a Lunatic. Too bad you didn't die to the trap. Haer-Dalie or something is a Bard. Likely converted.

FM Jaheira

Check post 34

[FM Kivan]

You can scream and cry all you want, but Cernd always gets what he wants. Always.

In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind having a roleclaim from Montaron now since he seems to unwilling to claim a role, but I still think we've got bigger fish to fry (Jaheira, Coran). As far as the clues go, it's Haer Dalis's word against Keldorn, correct?

More like Haer-Dalis vs Imoen + Viconia.

[FM Khalid]

More like Haer-Dalis vs Imoen + Viconia.

And seeing as Imoen + Viconia are both confirmed dead townies...

[FM Khalid]

But I agree that Montaron should claim today too, for the record Montaron

[FM Montaron]

But I agree that Montaron should claim today too, for the record Montaron

You make me sad, Khalid.
Don't you believe in your God and savior, Montaron?

Heretic.

[FM Jaheira]

Who said Jaheira was roleblocked? You are the same guy who propagated the idea that Shar-Teel is a Lunatic. Too bad you didn't die to the trap. Haer-Dalie or something is a Bard. Likely converted.

FM Jaheira

Duuuude. Shar propagated the Jester idea herself, and I CLAIMED RBed. Prophet would WANT to be lynched to screw over the Town, seeing as I am going to die once Sanctum is open regardless of my true role, meaning I am non-immune Cult, Town, or Neutral.

[FM Jaheira]

Also once you see my flip, do not presume to know the Bard's alignment based on that. Town Bard would RB me to prevent possible Culting, Cult Bard would RB me for Town points. Do not use this in judging a Bard claim.

[FM Tiax]

We only have Jaheira's word that she was roleblocked

FM Jaheira

[FM Jaheira]

We only have Jaheira's word that she was roleblocked

FM Jaheira

Two questions for you:

One: Why would I NOT be roleblocked?
Two: What Cult role besides Beguiler can redirect actions?

[FM Jaheira]

Two questions for you:

One: Why would I NOT be roleblocked?
Two: What Cult role besides Beguiler can redirect actions?

Sorry three:
Why would you want anything more than my word when the Prophet is still out there converting? Outed PR = bad. Why would you want this?

[FM Jaheira]

Dat jeopardy theme.

[FM Garrick]

If a statement has 33% accuracy then it's hardly knowing is it? You say you "know" many things all the time, Garrick, but if all of these things are only 33% accurate, then really you know none of them. You simply suspect them, which carries little weight.

Please use accurate language to convey your meanings. If you "know" something then you should be 100% sure. There should be no doubt.

I forgive you entirely if English is your second language.

FM Garrick wonders what word FM Yoshimo wants FM Garrick to use. English is not FM Garrick's mother tongue. FM Garrick worries that FM Garrick's language causes FM Garrick to be misunderstood.

[FM Jaheira]

The problem with statistics in Mafia, is that you can't rely on them, especially Forum Mafia. People in and of themselves provide far too many variables to account for. IE: Me being Explorer and protecting Shar. (Now to watch and see who bites...)

[FM Valygar]

Well this is exciting.
1) Montaron, please claim so that we can just be done with it for now (and so I have something to do right now).
2) If only we had a Diviner still: we could know whether or not Jaheira was in fact the Prophet...

[FM Jaheira]

Well this is exciting.
1) Montaron, please claim so that we can just be done with it for now (and so I have something to do right now).
2) If only we had a Diviner still: we could know whether or not Jaheira was in fact the Prophet...

How would Diviner help? They would have to use 2 Charges of Scry to see if the Cult is going up. Even then they could not prove whether or not I am Cult. Only one capable of that is the Harper Agent, who would not reveal for rather obvious reasons.

[FM Garrick]

FM Garrick claims to know my role.

I would like FM Garrick to tell everyone what my role is, and why ^_^


Actually, I'm not claiming until Gerik gives us his guess as to what I am.

I'd love to hear your guesses, too, people. Duke? Harper Paragon? Assassin? Prophet? Half-Dragon?

Bring them in, I want to hear it all!

Please your God, Montaron the Great!

FM Garrick knows FM Faldorn and FM Montaron are thieves. FM Garrick would decline to provide any more information at the current time. FM Garrick would like to state that if FM Garrick is a neutral FM Garrick has decided to townside and FM Garrick hopes that FM Faldorn and FM Montaron will do the same.



2) If only we had a Diviner still: we could know whether or not Jaheira was in fact the Prophet...

How would a diviner be able to tell if FM Jaheira is the prophet?

[FM Montaron]

FM Garrick knows FM Faldorn and FM Montaron are thieves. FM Garrick would decline to provide any more information at the current time. FM Garrick would like to state that if FM Garrick is a neutral FM Garrick has decided to townside and FM Garrick hopes that FM Faldorn and FM Montaron will do the same.

How would a diviner be able to tell if FM Jaheira is the prophet?


Me? A Thief?

I really expected more from you, Gerik.

Is my roleclaim going to be THAT unexpected? :(

[FM Garrick]

Well what are you then?

[FM Jaheira]

Monty, (omg can't believe I haven't called you that yet) obviously my voice is going to be disregarded in all matters, but you're probably going to be forced to claim at some stage today, and this Town has proven to be very one-track minded and they won't move from a topic until it's 100% settled, so you probably should claim before Town uses your delay as an excuse to FoS you(IE: Viconia, iirc). Take my opinion as you will, though. I'm obvcultscum.

[FM Montaron]

Monty, (omg can't believe I haven't called you that yet) obviously my voice is going to be disregarded in all matters, but you're probably going to be forced to claim at some stage today, and this Town has proven to be very one-track minded and they won't move from a topic until it's 100% settled, so you probably should claim before Town uses your delay as an excuse to FoS you(IE: Viconia, iirc). Take my opinion as you will, though. I'm obvcultscum.

I know, Jaheirabutt. I know.
My role claim WILL come today.

I want to see everyone's opinions, reads on me and role they think I am before I do so.
This town's going in one direction and it refuses to stray from their path; destroying everything they touch.
I fear this might be our demise.

[FM Jaheira]

I know, Jaheirabutt. I know.
My role claim WILL come today.

I want to see everyone's opinions, reads on me and role they think I am before I do so.
This town's going in one direction and it refuses to stray from their path; destroying everything they touch.
I fear this might be our demise.

Dat nickname.
Fair enough, I'm just saying it could be used against you later.
Definitely. Although strangely the times they do stray they end up mislynching (IE: Viccy.).... An aside; I am having waaaayyy too much fun finding nicknames for everybody.

[FM Ajantis]

People in and of themselves provide far too many variables to account for. IE: Me being Explorer and protecting Shar. (Now to watch and see who bites...)
Liabilities and dead weights must be eliminated!

[FM Ajantis]

I fear this might be our demise.
Cult's demise for sure.

[FM Jaheira]

Liabilities and dead weights must be eliminated!

K. FM Ajantis OH SNAP.

[FM Garrick]

I can't make shit up. There is solid evidence that I am, what I am. It is undeniable.


If the puzzle remains unsolved after night 6, the inner sanctum will open automatically.

FM Garrick would like to remind everyone that the inner sanctum opens at the end of Night 6 if the puzzle remains unsolved. There is still one night of possible culting left.

FM Garrick has FM Garrick's reasons for doing what FM Garrick does. Does FM Montaron really claim not to be a thief? FM Garrick wonders if FM Montaron has reasons for doing what FM Montaron does. The cult should not recruit a thief because if the Shadow Thief uses the Shadow Thief's ability then the town will know that a thief was recruited.

[FM Valygar]

I want to see everyone's opinions, reads on me and role they think I am before I do so.

I hate to spoil it, but I sense a Duke claim incoming... it would make about as much sense as any of the other roleflips this game.

A double-scry diviner would have a pretty decent shot of telling whether or not Jaheira is the Prophet (if he was in fact roleblocked). You might call it a waste of two charges, but I think it would've made great sense provided Imoen hadn't used any of her charges yet. Sadly, that is no longer possible...

[FM Jaheira]

I hate to spoil it, but I sense a Duke claim incoming... it would make about as much sense as any of the other roleflips this game.

A double-scry diviner would have a pretty decent shot of telling whether or not Jaheira is the Prophet (if he was in fact roleblocked). You might call it a waste of two charges, but I think it would've made great sense provided Imoen hadn't used any of her charges yet. Sadly, that is no longer possible...

Or my group could have just sent me for the puzzle, that would not be necessary(cause I'd be dead), and Imoen would be alive /endrant.

Duke claim is possible, and I'm willing to bet that's on everyone's mind right now.

[FM Garrick]

I hate to spoil it, but I sense a Duke claim incoming... it would make about as much sense as any of the other roleflips this game.

FM Garrick knows that FM Montaron will not claim Duke because FM Montaron is a Thief.

Today is Thief reveal day.

[FM Montaron]

I am not a Duke, nor am I a Thief. Sorry.

[FM Yeslick]

FM Cernd, please change your vote so I can change my vote.

[FM Khalid]

FM Garrick knows that FM Montaron will not claim Duke because FM Montaron is a Thief.

Today is Thief reveal day.

Why don't we just make it Cult reveal day and save everybody some time!

[FM Khalid]

I am not a Duke, nor am I a Thief. Sorry.

But do you repent?

[FM Valygar]

I am not a Duke, nor am I a Thief. Sorry.

Crap, because I was hoping to totally buddy with help you Montaron!

[FM Yeslick]

Before I make my next post, is today a circlejerk day or serious day? Honestly cannot tell right now.

[FM Ajantis]

Before I make my next post, is today a circlejerk day or serious day? Honestly cannot tell right now.

It's the day we cook Jaheira impaled on a stake. Yeah so circlejerk day,

[FM Nalia]

I guess we should try Jaheira, she is out big lead for now.

FM Jaheira

[FM Ajantis]

Kivan and Khalid is just afraid that we will lynch Jaheira. That's why they are voting someone else.

[FM Yeslick]

It's the day we cook Jaheira impaled on a stake. Yeah so circlejerk day,

Alright. I'm obliged to follow Cernd's vote because he is a great genius and a superior man so I'll wait for him to switch votes.

[FM Garrick]

To be honest, the coroner should reveal if the coroner knows the two people FM Shar-Teel tried to visit. We should lynch the non-immune cultist today and lynch FM Jaheira after the Inner Sanctum opens.

[FM Valygar]

To be honest, the coroner should reveal if the coroner knows the two people FM Shar-Teel tried to visit. We should lynch the non-immune cultist today and lynch FM Jaheira after the Inner Sanctum opens.

Not to mention if they know the clue that Mazzy took with her to the grave... that could've shed some light on the Haer situation.

[FM Yoshimo]

FM Garrick wonders what word FM Yoshimo wants FM Garrick to use. English is not FM Garrick's mother tongue. FM Garrick worries that FM Garrick's language causes FM Garrick to be misunderstood.

Here are some examples of how you can phrase posts:

If you think that somebody is probably a role/alignment you can say:

"FM Garrick thinks FM Yoshimo is (insert role/alignment)"

If you are almost sure about it, (ie if you had Spy results) you can say:

"FM Garrick is almost sure that FM Yoshimo is (insert something) investigation pairing."

You should only ever use the word "know" if you can conceive no possibility where what you're suggesting could ever be wrong. Ie:

"FM Garrick knows that it takes 13 votes to lynch somebody today."
or
"FM Garrick knows that today is Day 6"

Saying that you "know" people are certain roles all the time implies things I don't think you mean to imply.

[FM Garrick]

What is the difference between probably and almost sure about?

[FM Khalid]

Kivan and Khalid is just afraid that we will lynch Jaheira. That's why they are voting someone else.

...you know what, fuck it, I'm not dignifying this with a response.

[FM Ajantis]

...you know what, fuck it, I'm not dignifying this with a response.

You just did...

[FM Yoshimo]

What is the difference between probably and almost sure about?

It's just a way of conveying how much %certainty you back a statement with. It is quite subjective, but if I was to try and boil it down I would say:

Probably: Any scenario that is more likely to be true than false. Ie >50% chance
Almost sure: Any scenario that you give a very high likelihood to, but for which you cannot rule out an alternative. Eg: 95% certain, 96%, 97%, etc.

Of course, we can rarely calculate the exact % likelihoods of things being true, but the language we use helps convey how much certainty there is behind a statement.

[FM Aerie]

You dissapoint me, montaron. I told you to douse xzar.

[FM Khalid]

Woo! So he is ze Necromancer!

[FM Aerie]

Woo! So he is ze Necromancer!

Im afraid that you were doused aswell if you were in the heartwarden chat with jan.

[FM Ajantis]

Woo! So he is ze Necromancer!

He already claimed yesterday... using the "blackmail"...

[FM Garrick]

FM Garrick was probably that FM Montaron is a Thief.

[FM Ajantis]

He already claimed yesterday... using the "blackmail"...

Or maybe not. Still likely to be Prophet faking a claim... death note will tell...

[FM Faldorn]

Not a Thief. Garrick your wrong again. Explain how you got this conclusion?

[FM Ajantis]

The Prophet
Hidden Bhaalspawn (Doppelganger) - Safana
Hidden Bhaalspawn (Necromancer)
Hidden Bhaalspawn
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Harper
Duke
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Explorer
Explorer
Explorer
Explorer

Hidden Cultist (Quartermaster) - Shar-Teel
Assassin (Arcane Trickter) - Sarevok
Assassin - Jan
Assassin - Mazzy
Hidden Harper (Harper Guardian) - Alora
Cleric - Edwin
Hidden Adventurer (Herald) - Minsc
Hidden Adventurer (Enchanter) - Skie
Hidden Adventurer (Diviner) - Imoen
Hidden Adventurer (Illusionist) - Quayle
Explorer - Eldoth
Explorer - Viconia
Explorer - Anomen

[FM Aerie]

Fm jaheira Let's find out if he is the prophet.

[FM Aerie]

I just realised something. Skie used lure on haer-dalis the first night when skie was hit by a trap. Haer-dalis should have been hit and died by the trap aswell!


1. Regarding the puzzle mechanic, if the Volunteer tests the solution and fails, then rolls a death: can the cleric heal him? Do autovests protect against death from failing the puzzle?
Yes. Healing, vests, Guardian protection and swapping by an Illusionist can all save a volunteer. An Enchanter volunteer can lure someone with protective actions to themselves and a Beguiler volunteer can make someone die in his stead as well. Obviously, the last 3 options might make the volunteer look rather suspicious.

Skie's last will

repel Anomen, lure Haer-Dalis

Anomen probable scum in my eyes.

[FM Aerie]

If a enchanter uses lure on someone while beeing hit by a puzzle trap will the lured target die aswell or will only 1 of them die?

[FM Korgan]

fm haer-dalis

Korgan didn't like his attitude in the puzle chat. Claims Explorer but blackmailed us not to be sent to solve it. Scumbag move for an explorer. Korgan doesn't trust this guy.

[FM Keldorn]

At least Khalid isn't a thief.
And what tells you that?


Said the one with just a poem that does literally nothing useful in opening the Sanctum.

Plus everyone else had two hints per puzzle, except you
Actually I deem what you got one hint if we consider the others to have two (with the exception of Ajantis).


How would Diviner help? They would have to use 2 Charges of Scry to see if the Cult is going up. Even then they could not prove whether or not I am Cult. Only one capable of that is the Harper Agent, who would not reveal for rather obvious reasons.
If the numbers go up you are not the Prophet. And the Prophet is immune to detection by the Harper Agent. So that doesn't help at all here.

Also I notice a distinct absence of a bounty hunter kill. Either Nalia didn't go for obvexplorer or somebody night immune was shot. I'd really like to know if it's that latter. Nalia, care to reveal your target?

Also Jaheira so long that she wasn't shot that night.

[FM Keldorn]

FM Jaheira
Sometime... someday...

[FM Garrick]

FM Garrick wonders why FM Garrick could be wrong about FM Faldorn and FM Montaron. FM Garrick worries that FM Garrick destroyed FM Garrick's credibility.

FM Haer-Dalis

[FM Ajantis]

If a enchanter uses lure on someone while beeing hit by a puzzle trap will the lured target die aswell or will only 1 of them die?

Lure is a visit... forced Haer to visit... Haer is the Bard...

[FM Korgan]

Korgan knows that luring has no effects on traps. Traps are not considered night actions. They are a seperate mechanic.

[FM Ajantis]

Just die already Korgan. Haer revealed as Bard Day1. You should have asked scum to kill him then act scummy.

[FM Aerie]

I think it's funny that people actually think that there is a bounty hunter. It's pretty obvious that it is a mason leader.

[FM Faldorn]

Garrick,why did you think I am thief?

[FM Aerie]

Korgan knows that luring has no effects on traps. Traps are not considered night actions. They are a seperate mechanic.

But read the faq i just linked. It clearly states that a enchanter lure or a beguiler can make the trap hit a different target.

[FM Aerie]

Nvm, The enchanter can only lure a doctor.

[FM Garrick]

Just die already Korgan. Haer revealed as Bard Day1. You should have asked scum to kill him then act scummy.

FM Garrick knows that FM Ajantis was probably culted last night. FM Ajantis is probably trying to save FM Haer-Dalis from a lynch.



Garrick,why did you think I am thief?

FM Garrick will not reveal this information. Maybe FM Garrick will reveal it after the Inner Sanctum is opened.

[FM Ajantis]

I think it's funny that people actually think that there is a bounty hunter. It's pretty obvious that it is a mason leader.

I confirmed that Nalia is the Bounty Hunter and cannot be Mason Leader.

[FM Ajantis]

I welcome Thief to open the Inner Sanctum tonight. All starting Assassins dead... heuhuehueh

[FM Aerie]

I think it's very unlikely that the bounty hunter has only managed to get 1 contract completed.

[FM Ajantis]

We are missing one more Neutral...
1) Bounty Hunter
2) Druid
3) Antagonist
4) Thief
5) Amnesiac???

[FM Ajantis]

I think it's very unlikely that the bounty hunter has only managed to get 1 contract completed.

Nalia AFKed N1, N2.
N3 Anomen -> Mazzy
N4 cooldown
N5 Jaheira is IMMUNE!!!

[FM Ajantis]

Bounty Hunter (Hitman)
Must fulfil at least one contract for Adventurers and the Cult and survive until the end.

May request a contract from a target during the day.

The target is informed at night and may opt to skip their night action (if any) to send you to kill a target at night.

Special:
If your client targets you for the contract, you kill your client instead.
One night between successful contracts
Conversion immune
1 auto-use vest (+1)

Duh...

[FM Ajantis]

Or maybe she targeted scum who preferred to use their own night actions...

As long as she joins our lynch train we can ignore her...

[FM Keldorn]

I think it's funny that people actually think that there is a bounty hunter. It's pretty obvious that it is a mason leader.
How do you explain that Anomen killed Mazzy (and it was obvious from the night 3 puzzle chat that he did) and that Nalia said that Anomen could vouch for her not being cult? I say it's obvious that it's not the Harper Paragon that killed Mazzy. Also two roleblock claims the following night...

Still I'd like to know who her target was.

[FM Ajantis]

Likely Jaheira who targets Jan to silence her in case Inner Sanctum opens...

She completed Town contract, Cult contract left...

[FM Aerie]

Bounty hunter: Im a scum please give me a contract tonight.

[FM Nalia]

You still believe that I am a Bounty Hunter?

At least you are not treating me as one of the cult, so I'll take that "compliment" of yours. But calling me a scum? That's what the scum usually do.

[FM Aerie]

How do you explain that Anomen killed Mazzy (and it was obvious from the night 3 puzzle chat that he did) and that Nalia said that Anomen could vouch for her not being cult? I say it's obvious that it's not the Harper Paragon that killed Mazzy. Also two roleblock claims the following night...

Still I'd like to know who her target was.

The quartermaster could have created another arcane trickster. Jaheira is probably the arcane trickster

[FM Aerie]

Or possibly a cult bard.

[FM Nalia]

Oh yeah I just invented a puzzle of mine. I'm feeling myself bored, so I decided to show some creativity of my own. Try to find a solution to this one before the day ends:


Yf uai woch ha re mu cexh nlyech, htec salve hte fallawycg buddle:

"Y tove ca focgs, ueh Y nacshochlu ryhe. Y tove ca snoles, ueh Y slyhteb htbaigt uai. Wtoh om Y?"

Sirmyh uaib ocsweb yc pibple hexh. Htocks.

[FM Yoshimo]

And what tells you that?

Never mind. I thought the Thief always learning the clue as volunteer also meant that the Puzzle is auto-solved when Thief is sent, so I concluded that as Khalid was sent and the Puzzle remained unsolved, he could not be the Thief. I see now that the Thief gets the clue, but the Puzzle remains open.

[FM Valygar]

Oh yeah I just invented a puzzle of mine. I'm feeling myself bored, so I decided to show some creativity of my own. Try to find a solution to this one before the day ends:

Venom

[FM Yoshimo]

Venom

Does Venom slither?

[FM Yoshimo]

Oh yeah I just invented a puzzle of mine. I'm feeling myself bored, so I decided to show some creativity of my own. Try to find a solution to this one before the day ends:

"I have no fangs, yet I constantly bite. I have no scales, yet I slither through you. What am I?"

[FM Yoshimo]

If you want to be my next client, then solve the following riddle:

"I have no fangs, yet I constantly bite. I have no scales, yet I slither through you. What am I?"

Submit your answer in purple text. Thanks.

Viper's Venom

[FM Keldorn]

Minor mistake.

If you want to be my next client, then solve the following ryddle:

"I have no fangs, yet I constantly bite. I have no scales, yet I slither through you. What am I?"

Submit your answer in purple text. Thanks.
Now that you claimed Bounty Hunter would you be so kind as to reveal your client?

[FM Valygar]

I think in 30 minutes qualifies as "before the day ends".

I'll expect my feedback PM tonight: if I am disappointed, I'll kill hug you.

Honestly, I don't see why people are switching onto Haer. Sure, his clue could've been faked and he could've been culted, but I'm much more inclined to lynch Jaheira for so strongly defending Shar Teel. If Jaheira is the Prophet, then at least we know, and if he isn't then great. With Haer Dalis, we still run the risk of a mislynch on one of our stronger town reads (who could be a PR).

Yoshimo, I shamelessly Googled it.

[FM Keldorn]

Also google says it's poison or venom.

[FM Yoshimo]

Minor mistake.

I couldn't bear to write "ryddle".

[FM Nalia]

If something like that could be googled, then it's stupid to call it a puzzle. But Valygar did solve it first, so... do hold any grudges if he backstabs you.

I'll tell you one interesting information. FM Xzar may be a Bard.

[FM Nalia]

I meant "don't hold any grudges". Good luck and have fun.

[FM Branwen]

FM Jaheira

[FM Ajantis]

Lets "help" Valygar decide whom should be shot tonight.

[FM Valygar]

Should I target Nalia? It seems like nothing could go wrong with that plan...

[FM Ajantis]

Should I target Nalia? It seems like nothing could go wrong with that plan...

Yes. I'm interested to see what you will flip.

[FM Valygar]

Yes. I'm interested to see what you will flip.

I love you too... so much that I might have to put your name in.

[FM Valygar]

Yes. I'm interested to see what you will flip.

Also, my role has already been guessed by someone at some point within the last 3 days.

[FM Nalia]

You are a cultist? That's even better.

[FM Korgan]

Just die already Korgan. Haer revealed as Bard Day1. You should have asked scum to kill him then act scummy.

Don't make Korgan laugh, hairy-penis was only hinting at his BG equivalent which is in fact a bard. Korgan really wonders why you, out of all people don't know which class the FM annon accounts have.

English classes are this way! ===>

[FM Haer-Dalis]

I just realised something. Skie used lure on haer-dalis the first night when skie was hit by a trap. Haer-dalis should have been hit and died by the trap aswell!


1. Regarding the puzzle mechanic, if the Volunteer tests the solution and fails, then rolls a death: can the cleric heal him? Do autovests protect against death from failing the puzzle?
Yes. Healing, vests, Guardian protection and swapping by an Illusionist can all save a volunteer. An Enchanter volunteer can lure someone with protective actions to themselves and a Beguiler volunteer can make someone die in his stead as well. Obviously, the last 3 options might make the volunteer look rather suspicious.

Skie's last will

If I was night immune then you are implying that I was the prophet which can't be possible otherwise Skie would have been converted.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

fm haer-dalis

Korgan didn't like his attitude in the puzle chat. Claims Explorer but blackmailed us not to be sent to solve it. Scumbag move for an explorer. Korgan doesn't trust this guy.

No I wasn't going to answer so the trap would kill me and you could stop tunneling me over a clue I gave. I never changed the clue and my death would prove it. Also Ajantis I am not a Bard. I am truly an explorer.

[FM Haer-Dalis]

Also am I the only one who thinks Korgan is the Antagonist? He talks in dumb rp and barely helps town. Everyday he votes right onto me hoping to get a train on me. He completely avoids other trains. Also he can't even give a good amount of reasons on why I am scum.

[FM Ajantis]

FM Montaron (2): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/10827)
FM Cernd (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376216), FM Yeslick (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376232)
FM Haer-Dalis (4): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/10816)
FM Kivan (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376218), FM Khalid (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376228), FM Korgan (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376377), FM Garrick (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376380)
FM Jaheira (6): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/10818)
FM Ajantis (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376284), FM Tiax (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376302), FM Nalia (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376350), FM Aerie (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376374), FM Keldorn (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376379), FM Branwen (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376418)
FM Ajantis (1): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/10805)
FM Jaheira (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376326)

[FM Korgan]

Also am I the only one who thinks Korgan is the Antagonist? He talks in dumb rp and barely helps town. Everyday he votes right onto me hoping to get a train on me. He completely avoids other trains. Also he can't even give a good amount of reasons on why I am scum.

You only pop up when you get called out. You and Celdorn are clearly scum. I called Minsc and Sarevok out as scum long before they died. Korgan wouldn't try to build pressure on people who were seen as town if he would be on their team.

Korgan does as Korgan pleases.

[FM Nalia]

Korgan just made a major flaw.


I called Minsc and Sarevok out as scum long before they died.

I thought that you usally speak in third person?

[FM Korgan]

Korgan just made a major flaw.



I thought that you usally speak in third person?

DUN Dun... DUN!

[FM Ajantis]

I don't like the title:

"The Silence before the Slaughter"...

There shouldn't be any slaughter tonight... right?

Does it mean that the Thief is successful... and one of the clue holders are lying?

[FM Ajantis]

Heh... so this is my last day...

Cult will kill me tonight because I'm a great player...

[FM Keldorn]

As there is no RP there is no way of knowing. Normally the RP would tell us if the Sanctum was opened. For now the thread title is the best we can work with but I think the the hosts would have provided something of so much importance if the sanctum was opened last night.

[FM Ferengi]

The Inner Sanctum is not open. If it was, you would know.

[FM Montaron]

Cat's out of the bag. I am N3CR0M4NC3R #110

Sorry, Aerie. But you are terrible and there is no way I would've went through with your blackmail.

''Oh, gee, I found the Necromancer would just ripped the cult a new one, better blackmail him into targeting my completely irrelevant targets and make it obvious to the cult who is doused!''

Why did you even think it was a good idea to go through with this? If you had a brink of intelligence, even BEFORE I posted the faked curse message, you should have understood that I was completely siding with town.
As of now; It is pretty much impossible for me to win this. Doesn't mean I'll stop doing my best to get rid of the cult, still. Thought I wasn't doing a bad job at it.

Anyway, Aerie:
http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/middle-finger-guy-gif.gif

I hadn't expected Jan to be Heartwarded, to be completely honest. I intended to use this douse as a ''Vice grip'' over Jan, to force him to reveal his cult targets, else I would just burn him to the ground. But now this is pretty much impossible as I will be killed before I can do anything.

[FM Nalia]

I might have missed this out but explain to us why you think that Jan is cult.

[FM Montaron]

I might have missed this out but explain to us why you think that Jan is cult.

Oh, I don't think he's cult. He's the Doppelganger which I think is far more dangerous than the cultists right now. I don't trust Safana one bit; thought it would be one stone two birds, for both the town and myself, to get a curse on her.

[FM Nalia]

Oh yeah, I forgot. She is just your enemy. Is she cursed now?

[FM Montaron]

Oh yeah, I forgot. She is just your enemy. Is she cursed now?

Yes.

[FM Montaron]

This means that Khalid is also cursed.

I didn't expect Kivan to put someone who was such an obvious target to many into an Heardwarder chat.

[FM Montaron]

Town is playing like complete shit.
You should be grateful that we Bhaalspawns are there to try and balance things.
Just putting that out there.

[FM Nalia]

Yeah, just like in that picture, your hands are growing in the wrong places.

[FM Ajantis]

You can undouse Khalid before you burn...

Or if you can get the favor of a Bard...

Does the slaugther refer to Lunatic Jaheira?

[FM Ajantis]

Or Kivan became Beguiler, Khalid is Assassin and they are blackmailing Jan...

[FM Aerie]

If you wanted to side with town then you wouldn't have doused jan last night. I would have accepted any target except for jan ,kivan or myself, So please stop acting like you are siding with the town.
I wouldn't even have tracked you if you weren't so scummy in the first place.

[FM Kivan]

Shamelessly copied from the statue in the Asylum.

I love how active Yoshimo is today. Too bad he didn't post anything good so far.

[FM Ajantis]

If you wanted to side with town then you wouldn't have doused jan last night. I would have accepted any target except for jan ,kivan or myself, So please stop acting like you are siding with the town.
I wouldn't even have tracked you if you weren't so scummy in the first place.

That's gamethrowing...

[FM Montaron]

If you wanted to side with town then you wouldn't have doused jan last night. I would have accepted any target except for jan ,kivan or myself, So please stop acting like you are siding with the town.
I wouldn't even have tracked you if you weren't so scummy in the first place.

Are you dumb?

I can't just ignore Bhaalspawns as if they were nothing. Jan is a Doppelganger, which means that at the first occasion he gets, he will kill me and replace me.
I'm sorry, but I'm not gamethrowing just to give the town their win.

Safana will backstab you guys at the first chance he gets, and you completely fail to realize this and seem to assume he's completely on your side.
You're missing a few screws in the head if you think I was going to be your peon and that I would've complied to everything you said. Especially seeing how you play.

[FM Kivan]

Guys, my reasoning is easy. I wanted to target someone less townie, who has a chance of being converted - that way Prophet would be killed, by targeting Safana as well. On the other hand I wanted to match Safanjan with someone I wouldn't miss, because cursing was very likely. Sure Khalid, is behaving very Townie right now, but he was Coran-like useless for the first 3 days. Even if he is a Town, he is an Explorer - he volunteers for traps after all. If he is not, he is likely a Thief:P

[FM Ajantis]

Another thing is... Safana will not dare to reveal the names of Cult. They have Assassins. Cult can kill Safana for revenge...

I might sound anti-town by saying this, but please wake up from your dreams...

[FM Kivan]

I'm going to give Montaron a green light on dousing. Let the Bhaalspawns fight each other.

[FM Kivan]

Btw, looks like Montaron is my pal. It is second time I've helped you double douse, right?

[FM Ajantis]

And if Bhaalspawns side too much with town, Cult will bring Bhaalspawns together with them...

[FM Kagain]

So i come on and see more roles have been revealed. I find it interesting we have more roles revealed.

Oh FM Ajantis, supposedly the last spawn is a half-dragon, they claimed it in our night chat.

FM Ajantis

and with that i'm going back to sleep

[FM Montaron]

Another thing is... Safana will not dare to reveal the names of Cult. They have Assassins. Cult can kill Safana for revenge...

I might sound anti-town by saying this, but please wake up from your dreams...

Wouldn't have had much of a choice with the Curse around. See it as blackmail.
At this rate though, I'll be dead before I can ignite anything.


Btw, looks like Montaron is my pal. It is second time I've helped you double douse, right?

Except that both times have been bad.
First time got Quayle killed, and now we have someone I didn't want to douse. Although I have my fair share of suspicions on him now, I would've preferred to only have Jan cursed.

[FM Ajantis]

You can uncurse each night in addition to cursing... are you even Necromancer?

Kagain is culted.

[FM Tiax]

I can't just ignore Bhaalspawns as if they were nothing. J

Safana will backstab you guys at the first chance he gets, and you completely fail to realize this and seem to assume he's completely on your side.
You're missing a few screws in the head if you think I was going to be your peon and that I would've complied to everything you said. Especially seeing how you play.

I feel like they way you are stating that could be reworded while keeping the same meaning. What makes 1 bhaalspawn inherently more trustworthy than another?

Bhaalspawn will backstab you guys at the first chance he gets, and you completely fail to realize this and seem to assume he's completely on your side.

[FM Aerie]

Are you dumb?

I can't just ignore Bhaalspawns as if they were nothing. Jan is a Doppelganger, which means that at the first occasion he gets, he will kill me and replace me.
I'm sorry, but I'm not gamethrowing just to give the town their win.

Safana will backstab you guys at the first chance he gets, and you completely fail to realize this and seem to assume he's completely on your side.
You're missing a few screws in the head if you think I was going to be your peon and that I would've complied to everything you said. Especially seeing how you play.

I am town and my mission is to see the scums die so stop acting so butthurt over beeing blackmailed, i wouldn,t even have targeted you if you were a better player.

[FM Kivan]

I'm fine with second time, I won't miss Khalid that much. And first time was Quayle's fault, I have no idea why did he choose to stay still when he was revealed Illusionist in the Heart Chat...

[FM Tiax]

I feel like they way you are stating that could be reworded while keeping the same meaning. What makes 1 bhaalspawn inherently more trustworthy than another?

Bhaalspawn will backstab you guys at the first chance he gets, and you completely fail to realize this and seem to assume he's completely on your side.

My wording on that may not have been clear enough. I'm saying that Montaron's argument against trusting Jan works equally well against trusting Montaron.

[FM Xzar]

Hey guys. I was wondering if we have a major topic that we all need to discuss atm? Because to me it looks like everyone is making small-talk more or less if you can catch my drift.

Also there was an interesting remark made today, noted down that one.

[FM Kivan]

Hey guys. I was wondering if we have a major topic that we all need to discuss atm? Because to me it looks like everyone is making small-talk more or less if you can catch my drift.

Also there was an interesting remark made today, noted down that one.

Do you even bother reading this chat?

[FM Ajantis]

The difference is... currently we are hoping Safana to give us information of Cult... while Montaron is neutral.

Points:
Safana 0 assuming Jan is Cult.
Montaron 1 because Quayle is collateral.
Harper 0 unless someone flip ML.

[FM Kagain]

You can uncurse each night in addition to cursing... are you even Necromancer?

Kagain is culted.

i just copied the names from up there in vote counter without paying attention to the actual names. But i am not cult. If majority thinks i am cult i will allow jan to kill me if she is so inclined or tonight sacrifice myself to a trap.

FM Jaheira

[FM Ajantis]

Hey guys. I was wondering if we have a major topic that we all need to discuss atm? Because to me it looks like everyone is making small-talk more or less if you can catch my drift.

Also there was an interesting remark made today, noted down that one.

As the Bard, are you siding with Safana or Montaron?

[FM Tiax]

i just copied the names from up there in vote counter without paying attention to the actual names. But i am not cult. If majority thinks i am cult i will allow jan to kill me if she is so inclined or tonight sacrifice myself to a trap.

FM Jaheira

Disguises are extremely valuable to a doppelganger, they wouldn't waste one like that.

[FM Yoshimo]

Shamelessly copied from the statue in the Asylum.

I love how active Yoshimo is today. Too bad he didn't post anything good so far.

Nothing good worth saying so far.

[FM Montaron]

You can uncurse each night in addition to cursing... are you even Necromancer?

Kagain is culted.

I know that, but I cannot Wail AND remove a curse at the same time.
I'll see if I have to ignite tonight or if I should Curse someone else + Uncurse Khalid.


I am town and my mission is to see the scums die so stop acting so butthurt over beeing blackmailed, i wouldn,t even have targeted you if you were a better player.

Except that I've done my best to help the Town, not the scum. And that is really funny coming from you; I'm not going to take any shit from someone who played as terrible as you did.
You found me out because I was scummy; that is fine. But blackmailing someone who was already siding with the town? Well played, honey.



My wording on that may not have been clear enough. I'm saying that Montaron's argument against trusting Jan works equally well against trusting Montaron.

Obviously.
Except that I've killed two cultists already (While Quayle was accidental...), and all that Safana did was ''Disguise a claimed Bhaalspawn'', claim he was a cultist, and forge one of our clues, causing a massive clusterfuck for a few days and causing a mislynch.

[FM Tiax]

Nothing good worth saying so far.

Perhaps you could say who you think should be lynched today? Jaheira is a pretty safe target. I doubt you'll make any enemies of town voting her?

Or you could give reason to lynch someone no one has suggested yet.

[FM Ajantis]

<font color="#ff0000">The Prophet</font><br>
<font color="#e69138">Hidden Bhaalspawn (Doppelganger) </font>- Safana <br>
<font color="#e69138">Hidden Bhaalspawn (Necromancer)</font> - Montaron<br>
<font color="#e69138">Hidden Bhaalspawn</font><br>
<font color="#9900ff">Hidden Neutral (Bounty Hunter) </font>- Nalia<br>
<font color="#9900ff">Hidden Neutral</font><br>
<font color="#9900ff">Hidden Neutral</font><br>
<font color="#9900ff">Hidden Neutral</font><br>
<font color="#9900ff">Hidden Neutral</font><br>
<font color="#3c78d8">Hidden Harper</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Duke</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden </font><font color="#ff0000">Adventurer </font><font color="#00ff00">(Ran</font><font color="#ff0000">ger) </font>- Aerie<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden </font><font color="#ff0000">Adventurer </font><font color="#00ff00">(Heartwarder</font><font color="#ff0000">/Beguiler)</font> - Kivan<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden </font><font color="#ff0000">Adventurer</font> <font color="#00ff00">(Ba</font><font color="#ff0000">rd)</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden </font><font color="#ff0000">Adven</font><font color="#ff0000">turer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden Adven</font><font color="#ff0000">turer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden Adven</font><font color="#ff0000">turer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden Adven</font><font color="#ff0000">turer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden Adven</font><font color="#ff0000">turer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden Adven</font><font color="#ff0000">turer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Exp</font><font color="#3c78d8">lorer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Explorer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Explorer</font><br>
<font color="#00ff00">Explorer</font><br>
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<font color="#ff0000">Hidden Cultist (Quartermaster) </font>- Shar-Teel<br>
<font color="#ff0000">Assassin </font><font color="#ff0000">(Arcane Trickter) </font>- Sarevok<br>
<font color="#ff0000">Assassin </font>- Jan<br>
<font color="#ff0000">Assassin</font> - Mazzy<br>
<font color="#3c78d8">Hidden Harper (Harper Guardian)</font> - Alora<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Cleric</font> - Edwin<br>
<font color="#ff0000">Hidden Adventurer (Herald)</font> - Minsc<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden Adventurer (Enchanter)</font> - Skie<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden Adventurer (Diviner) </font>- Imoen<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Hidden Adventurer (Illusionist) </font>- Quayle<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Explorer</font> - Eldoth<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Explorer </font>- Viconia<br>
<font color="#00ff00">Explorer </font>- Anomen

[FM Korgan]

I know that, but I cannot Wail AND remove a curse at the same time.
I'll see if I have to ignite tonight or if I should Curse someone else + Uncurse Khalid.



Except that I've done my best to help the Town, not the scum. And that is really funny coming from you; I'm not going to take any shit from someone who played as terrible as you did.
You found me out because I was scummy; that is fine. But blackmailing someone who was already siding with the town? Well played, honey.




Obviously.
Except that I've killed two cultists already (While Quayle was accidental...), and all that Safana did was ''Disguise a claimed Bhaalspawn'', claim he was a cultist, and forge one of our clues, causing a massive clusterfuck for a few days and causing a mislynch.

Another guy the great Korgan called out as scum over the course of the game.

"korgan whistles the final fantasy victory theme"

[FM Montaron]

Another guy the great Korgan called out as scum over the course of the game.

"korgan whistles the final fantasy victory theme"

But. I am not Scum, Korgan.
I am the powerful Montaron; God of this realm and Town's greatest ally.

What have you done to help the Town anyway, if I may ask, ''Great Korgan''?
You've been lurking your ass off~

[FM Yoshimo]

Are you dumb?

I can't just ignore Bhaalspawns as if they were nothing. Jan is a Doppelganger, which means that at the first occasion he gets, he will kill me and replace me.
I'm sorry, but I'm not gamethrowing just to give the town their win.

Safana will backstab you guys at the first chance he gets, and you completely fail to realize this and seem to assume he's completely on your side.
You're missing a few screws in the head if you think I was going to be your peon and that I would've complied to everything you said. Especially seeing how you play.

It is completely natural for Montaron to want to turn us against Safana. Neither can live while the other survives. HARRY POTTER HARRY POTTER.

What he says isn't far off the mark either. Safana deceived us for a long time before she was caught, and ultimately only really started siding with us when necessity dictated it for her continued survival. This is fair enough, the Bhaalspawns have to do what they think they have to do to survive.

In my mind the Necromancer is far more controllable than the Doppelganger and if I was choosing one to side with us I would want him.

Ultimately though, none of it falls on our hands to deal with. They must kill each other to win and although they may try to convince us that it is our responsibility to do their work for them. It isn't.

[FM Keldorn]

I'll be dead before I can ignite anything.
Why are you shitting your pants?

21. Kills (-1 to life bar) (Includes Paragon Smite on Cult, Guardian, Alchemist’s Fire, Fighter, Assassination, Barbarian, Evoker Fireballs, Half-Dragon, Necromancer Wail, Adept Banishment, Lunatic, Bounty Hunter, Puzzle Traps)
24. Doppelganger Mimics (-1 to life bar)

You got him at his balls. As long as you wail on the night the Sanctum is opened Doppelganger can't even touch you.

[FM Montaron]

It is completely natural for Montaron to want to turn us against Safana. Neither can live while the other survives. HARRY POTTER HARRY POTTER.

What he says isn't far off the mark either. Safana deceived us for a long time before she was caught, and ultimately only really started siding with us when necessity dictated it for her continued survival. This is fair enough, the Bhaalspawns have to do what they think they have to do to survive.

In my mind the Necromancer is far more controllable than the Doppelganger and if I was choosing one to side with us I would want him.

Ultimately though, none of it falls on our hands to deal with. They must kill each other to win and although they may try to convince us that it is our responsibility to do their work for them. It isn't.

I think It's fair to say that a lot of people want Safajan gone, more that they want the Grand Montaron gone.
Yes, obviously, I'll try to rally people against her; but It's not just baseless accusations or random finger pointing.


Why are you shitting your pants?

21. Kills (-1 to life bar) (Includes Paragon Smite on Cult, Guardian, Alchemist’s Fire, Fighter, Assassination, Barbarian, Evoker Fireballs, Half-Dragon, Necromancer Wail, Adept Banishment, Lunatic, Bounty Hunter, Puzzle Traps)
24. Doppelganger Mimics (-1 to life bar)

You got him at his balls. As long as you wail on the night the Sanctum is opened Doppelganger can't even touch you.

Which is tonight.

[FM Tiax]

Why are you shitting your pants?

21. Kills (-1 to life bar) (Includes Paragon Smite on Cult, Guardian, Alchemist’s Fire, Fighter, Assassination, Barbarian, Evoker Fireballs, Half-Dragon, Necromancer Wail, Adept Banishment, Lunatic, Bounty Hunter, Puzzle Traps)
24. Doppelganger Mimics (-1 to life bar)

You got him at his balls. As long as you wail on the night the Sanctum is opened Doppelganger can't even touch you.

Good point. I suppose we can expect to see jan dead tomorrow then. If Montaron and Jan are both bhaalspawn then I don't think Montaron has any choice in the matter.

[FM Ajantis]

The question is... is it tonight or tomorrow?

Safana can attack Montaron every night, hoping for someone to open the Inner Sanctum... though her early escape won't be viewed too favorably by town...

[FM Dynaheir]

Quick check-in post, will be back in about 2 hours or so for a more detailed post.

Quick thoughts: Montaron is more towny but we can lynch him at any time. Safana is harder to trust but also harder to catch. Keep doing codes, I'll put one in my post later.

[FM Korgan]

But. I am not Scum, Korgan.
I am the powerful Montaron; God of this realm and Town's greatest ally.

What have you done to help the Town anyway, if I may ask, ''Great Korgan''?
You've been lurking your ass off~

Korgan drank all the ale of the expedition so they wont get disturbed while they are solving puzzles! Korgan the great!

[FM Ajantis]

Which is tonight.
Not sure if it is true or not, if Inner Sanctum opened by us, both of you lose immunity at the start of the night.
If Inner Sanctum auto-open, you still retain immunity until the end of the night.

[FM Yoshimo]

Perhaps you could say who you think should be lynched today? Jaheira is a pretty safe target. I doubt you'll make any enemies of town voting her?

Or you could give reason to lynch someone no one has suggested yet.

To be honest, the things that throw off my scum-hunting are:

1. Scum without night-chats.
2. Cult changing good guys to bad guys.
3. Invulnerable bad guys.

All of which this game has. I can tell you who not to lynch, but choosing who to lynch is a far more complex task. The Bhaalspawns often naturally appear scummy, and yet they are not really our enemies. This is why so far I rarely vote unless I am sure. I have only cast 2 votes this game. 1. Mazzy. 2. Anomen. He lied so much it made it impossible for me to come to any conclusion other than what I did and I don't regret it.

Shar-teel flipping Quartermaster really surprised me, because in my mind she was playing great. I wanted to keep her alive because so often what she would say would agree with my own thinking. Her flip really threw off so many of my Town reads. It was also clouded by the fact that yesterday was a Branwen vs Shar-teel lynch day and Branwen was obviously not a townie (turns out he was a Bhaalspawn) so that also reinforced the idea that Shar was a townie.

I am also constantly plagued by the idea that those few players I trust have been culted.

[FM Tiax]

The question is... is it tonight or tomorrow?

Safana can attack Montaron every night, hoping for someone to open the Inner Sanctum... though her early escape won't be viewed too favorably by town...

Oh you're right, if someone submits the correct answer tonight to block cult from recruiting 1 last time then Safana wins if Montaron doesn't wail. But if Montaron does wail and no correct answers are submitted tonight then Safana wins again.

He basically has to make a judgement on how likely he thinks it is that someone will submit the correct answer tonight.

[FM Ajantis]

The Prophet
Hidden Bhaalspawn (Doppelganger) - Safana
Hidden Bhaalspawn (Necromancer) - Montaron
Hidden Bhaalspawn
Hidden Neutral (Bounty Hunter) - Nalia
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Harper
Duke
Hidden Adventurer (Ranger) - Aerie
Hidden Adventurer (Heartwarder/Beguiler) - Kivan
Hidden Adventurer (Bard)
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Hidden Adventurer
Explorer
Explorer
Explorer
Explorer

Hidden Cultist (Quartermaster) - Shar-Teel
Assassin (Arcane Trickter) - Sarevok
Assassin? - Jan
Assassin - Mazzy
Hidden Harper (Harper Guardian) - Alora
Cleric - Edwin
Hidden Adventurer (Herald) - Minsc
Hidden Adventurer (Enchanter) - Skie
Hidden Adventurer (Diviner) - Imoen
Hidden Adventurer (Illusionist) - Quayle
Explorer - Eldoth
Explorer - Viconia
Explorer - Anomen

[FM Montaron]

The question is... is it tonight or tomorrow?

Safana can attack Montaron every night, hoping for someone to open the Inner Sanctum... though her early escape won't be viewed too favorably by town...

It opens at the end of Night 6. So It'll be open tomorrow morning.

I don't really have a choice but to wail tonight. I don't think I'd be roleblocked; Harpers won't be against me taking care of one of the other Bhaalspawns for them. If It's a culted Bard... then I don't know.

[FM Ajantis]

Anyway, Monk/Ritualist should keep quiet until we lynch the Prophet, then reveal all the cult members...

[FM Ajantis]

It opens at the end of Night 6. So It'll be open tomorrow morning.

I don't really have a choice but to wail tonight. I don't think I'd be roleblocked; Harpers won't be against me taking care of one of the other Bhaalspawns for them. If It's a culted Bard... then I don't know.

If you fail, Safana will kill you tomorrow... good luck...

Culted Bard WILL WANT you to kill her... before she infiltrate the chat...

[FM Korgan]

Anyway, Monk/Ritualist should keep quiet until we lynch the Prophet, then reveal all the cult members...

Hey, Edward Elric! Korgan is still waiting for his new shoes!

[FM Tiax]

If you fail, Safana will kill you tomorrow... good luck...

Culted Bard WILL WANT you to kill her... before she infiltrate the chat...

Conversely then, a town bard would probably want Safana to win to get the role list plus preventing collateral damage from wail.

[FM Montaron]

If you fail, Safana will kill you tomorrow... good luck...

Culted Bard WILL WANT you to kill her... before she infiltrate the chat...

That's what I'm saying; She may have already infiltrated the chat. ;)

[FM Montaron]

Conversely then, a town bard would probably want Safana to win to get the role list plus preventing collateral damage from wail.

Keep dreaming if you think Safana will ever give you the full cult list.
May be biased there; but get real. It's not happening.

[FM Ajantis]

Conversely then, a town bard would probably want Safana to win to get the role list plus preventing collateral damage from wail.

That depends on negotiations... do we have a Cleric? If not Safana will prefer to shut up... unless only one Cult is left of course...

[FM Yoshimo]

On further thought, I don't like the idea of Safana being allowed to live.

Look at it this way: She can evade us at any time and cause us all manner of havoc, but the only reason for her to do that is if the balance of power tips in favour of the Cult. So, so long as we're ahead, she's on our side, but if we're ahead do we really need her help? Contrarily, if we fall behind even slightly then she can side with the Cult and push us so far into the ground that we have no hope of recovery.

All Safana has to offer us is the list of Cultists, but in providing it she would likely seal her death alongside the Cult's because they'd automatically avenge their imminent loss with her death. So although Safana can promise us a list of Cultists I don't believe she can safely deliver it to us. Meaning: She can't give us anything. She is a liability, and a disaster waiting to happen.

[FM Ajantis]

Hey, Edward Elric! Korgan is still waiting for his new shoes!

Not interested in fiddling with hairy-penis anymore?

[FM Kivan]

Well, I think I can always mess things up, right?

What happens if one of Heartwarder's target try to kill other target? Does he kill himself?

[FM Ajantis]

On further thought, I don't like the idea of Safana being allowed to live.

Look at it this way: She can evade us at any time and cause us all manner of havoc, but the only reason for her to do that is if the balance of power tips in favour of the Cult. So, so long as we're ahead, she's on our side, but if we're ahead do we really need her help? Contrarily, if we fall behind even slightly then she can side with the Cult and push us so far into the ground that we have no hope of recovery.

All Safana has to offer us is the list of Cultists, but in providing it she would likely seal her death alongside the Cult's because they'd automatically avenge their imminent loss with her death. So although Safana can promise us a list of Cultists I don't believe she can safely deliver it to us. Meaning: She can't give us anything. She is a liability, and a disaster waiting to happen.

Prophet might have culted half of the players... you'll need all the help we can get... Adventurers might not have the majority... ehuehuehu

[FM Tiax]

Well, I think I can always mess things up, right?

What happens if one of Heartwarder's target try to kill other target? Does he kill himself?

Are you going to heartwarden Safana and Montaron if thats a yes?

[FM Kivan]

Are you going to heartwarden Safana and Montaron if thats a yes?

Maybe;)

I mean, that way Montaron can safely undouse Khalid if we want to and Safanjan can attack him.

[FM Kivan]

Maybe;)

I mean, that way Montaron can safely undouse Khalid if we want to and Safanjan can attack him.

CAN'T attack him.

[FM Yoshimo]

Prophet might have culted half of the players... you'll need all the help we can get... Adventurers might not have the majority... ehuehuehu

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[FM Yoshimo]

If it's help we need, Montaron is the one to go with.

[FM Yoshimo]

Or the Harpers.

[FM Kivan]

Unless, Mimic after killing himself disguises as himself xD

[FM Keldorn]

Ajantis, I notice your half/quarter culted Adventurers. You can safely remove two of the quarter culted Adventurers because Qualye was still Illusionist when he died and he spent 2 nights in the Heartwarder chat. And another one for Alora who spent the night she was in the chat as well. That means there is a maximum of two extras if the cult got lucky.

[FM Yoshimo]

Maybe;) I mean, that way Montaron can safely undouse Khalid if we want to and Safanjan can attack him. I like that plan. Although, undousing Khalid is a topic worthy of discussion in itself.

[FM Kivan]

I like that plan. Although, undousing Khalid is a topic worthy of discussion in itself.

As I said before: I won't miss him. And his flip will help us decide who lies about clues. So I'm going to let Montaron decide what to do, because I'm on the fence with it.

[FM Montaron]

I like that plan. Although, undousing Khalid is a topic worthy of discussion in itself.

If It's possible, I wouldn't be against it, if this is what we decide is the best thing to go with.
Yoshimo has a point though; Do we want to undouse Khalid?
I'm really not sure about his alignment at all 'nymore. He confuses me.

[FM Aerie]

That plan wont work. Safana will only disguise as his main target, the other guy in the heartwarden chat wont be disguised.

[FM Aerie]

I think you should wait untill the night after this one befeore you burn. I don't think we will be able to solve the puzzle tonight and the sanctum wont open untill the day starts.