Night 2

[Patrick]

To everyone today, well fucking played. We are under the radar and we have others high on the suspicion list.

I feel I was extremely active today and not once was questioned or put in the light of suspect.

WHO TO DO WHAT TO!

Well Phillip did not claim to be RB'd and thus he is very likely scum of some sort, we should note this going forward. We need to figure out what the consig found, as well if anything happened to anyone last night of note.

I am stoked and feel we are doing well. I will post my suspicions as well as my recommended actions based on them after everyone chimes in.

[Janet]

We'll need to think about how to proceed tommorow. I am going to write up some analysis including my findings shortly. I think I know a detective and a possibility for cult leader.

And yeah, Philip is either 3rd killer or janitor.

[Janet]

Ok so my result on Sonya was that she could be citizen, Cole (gf), cult leader name or rebel leader name. All the leader types/citizen.

The reason I think I know the detective is this, one of my first day posts:

"Quote from: Ralph on September 20, 2011, 06:38:51 AM
I figured that you were the janitor trying to communicate with the witch, actually.

About the whole Ralph-Yvette thing, this quoted post sticks out to me. If he actually thought Yvette was janitor his response just doesn't make sense for a townie playing it straight. I don't think there is near enough to get a lynch and I don't think pressuring him will get anything else out of him so I won't pile on him.

Also, unless Sonya was switched with one of the dead people, we should be able to confirm a drug dealer or bus driver. I'm guessing drug dealer since it was night one. But who knows. I suppose either conclusion doesn't help us much today though.

Anyone else have any ill effects or report?"

So I am basically trying to figure out whether Sonya was switched or not. I think she wasn't.

This following response interested me because of the timing EXACTLY after my post.

It is by Velma:

First she quotes my post then says: "Well, we have no idea whether its a drug dealer or a bus driver considering half of the people in this game haven't posted in day 2 yet"

Clearly directed at me. Then she double posts with the big tell to me, which I think she was trying to hint to me figuring I was invest:
"Also, I'd say just as a precaution, any investing done on Sonya, could be invalid, so if it happens that she WAS bus driven AND invested in the same night, then the invests are getting nowhere fast"

This is at the beginning of pages 7 btw.

She says it again later: "I said this as a possibility, you claimed to have been driven/drugged, so I'm just reminding invests if they happened to invest you, that their read may not be 100% accurate. I am in no way trying to discredit what you say in any way at all"

Sonya then backlashed against this with: "Is why I jumped on the comment in the first place - it is almost granted I was drugged, it's not worth mentioning. This guy is trying to look like he's helping me, to create a link to me. Did he need to do that comment? Was he adding something nobody would think of? Or was he "clearing" me for no reason to look like we're related? Why did you not think of that? Why do you think I am defensive? I see weird shit done to me, I call it out."

I will analysis this next post.

"

[Janet]

On Velma: She seems to be directing this to me. Either she realized from my question I might be an invest role... but she was VERY fast with her response. I think she knew I had visited Sonya. Either was a lookout or a detective. If lookout then she could have accused the drug dealer. If Sonya was telling the truth about that effect anyway. I think it likely Velma is a detective that watched me. Then figured out from my question that I was invest/consig.

Making sense so far? Here is where it gets much more speculative:

Sonya leaped to point out Velma wasn't buddying her when in fact Velma was paying more attention to me than to her. This is a long shot but I think it is possible that Velma was culted by Sonya. Velma was watching me and noticed I had visited her new leader and so tried to defend against a possible lynch... possibly not realizing that cult leader can hide from invest very well. Sonya then rebuked her new minion for what looked like to Sonya as obvious buddying that would give them away.

That last point is obviously much more speculative. I am fairly sure of the detective or possibly lookout role that Velma has.

[Janet]

Analyze this please and give other points of view.

If I am correct and Sonya is the cult leader, Velma would tell her I checked on her. Which might make Sonya want to cult me and would expose us all. So even on the longshot chance I don't want to risk this. One solution is to roleblock Sonya and kill Velma to see if she is culted. Then we can keep Sonya on roleblock and throw her to a lynch when we want.

If he isn't culted then we know I was being paranoid but we at least probably killing a town info role.

[Patrick]

Ok well due to the activity and my active posting I am going to request a grave rob + heal to me. I feel like I have made myself out to be an active member, yet just inactive enough not to be protected.

I feel a good kill tonight is Sonya, I feel my roleblock would do well on the same person, but would like your opinion.

I am convinced Roger is town, as well as Alan.

[Gladys]

Interesting day. I don't think that we're as far under the radar as you may think. I've seen the suspicions arise, they just havn't hit on them yet. It seems I have the innate ability to be ignored. I think this may work out well :)

Also, why don't i just grave rob the stripper? It's not assured you'll die or anything :P

[Gladys]

er are you suggesting i grave rob the medic for the healing ability? I spose I could do that. Just woke up anywho. Flying under the radar as a grave robber would be the better way to go I suppose. They have no clue that there is one, after all.

[Gladys]

The poor medic! Citizen too but I feel most sorry for the medic

Typical typical behavior. I'm pegging Amber as an orange mafia, or a neutral role. 6 posts, 1 finger point, and the comment above. Sounds like a bad person trying to put in little unobtrusive comments to appear okay.

[Janet]

I think having a heal on hand might not be a bad idea, but it probably isn't the best thing in the world either. Doctor is a powerful role but wifoming whether one of us will get shot...

About Sonya: I was suggesting just roleblock Sonya tonight since there is a high chance Sonya is citizen. Velma, on the other hand, is possibly a detective and his role (whether he is culted or not) will inform us about whatever connection to Sonya he has or doesn't have.

You also have to remember that if cult leader does try to recruit me because I visited him last night (big guess) then killing happens after recruiting. Roleblocking is the only thing that would keep me mafia. So I would lean towards blocking Sonya then killing Velma.

I should point out though, that if a lookout is on Sonya our consort may become known. He was drugged last night so someone may check him. In this case killing by the godfather wouldn't be seen but would still be too late on the action list to save me. I think cult is a long shot at any rate though, and I didn't accuse Sonya at all so maybe the recruit will go to someone else.

[Janet]

We need to find the cop/sheriff btw. He is quite dangerous to us.

[Janet]

Also: one possibility if we kill Velma. Her will says that I visited Sonya night 1 and she is shown as unculted.... I would have to reveal as invest at that point. I think the town would be clever enough to figure out that I wasn't the drug dealer.

[Janet]

So anyway, -vote kill Velma send Jerry

[Patrick]

I find it funny how enforcer is more of a town role than anything else lol.

[Patrick]

WHAT THE FUCK JERRY, mabye Jerry is in jail or something.

Block Sonya

Never mind about the digging mechanic. Seems somewhat underpowered with only 3 uses :( OH WELL.

[Elixir]

I find it funny how enforcer is more of a town role than anything else lol.


Enforcer can use ability on own Mafia to block culting
Enforcer can use ability on cit claims to block mason recruit (suspicion)
Enforcer can stop Amnesiac taking roles.

Its a mafia role.

So far:

Jerry going to kill Velma
Patrick going to block Sonya
Gladys doing nothing
Janet doing nothing

[Janet]

I'm still trying to get input from others before I decide what to do. If the other two do not talk... I will assume the lolsiest/worst and that we randomed a bunch of jailors.

Is there any way for us to tell if they are jailed or just absent?

[Janet]

My mistake forgot about Gladys' posts.

[Janet]

Ok we have 7 hours and 40 minutes left to decide. If Jerry doesn't talk I say we send the consort to kill Velma.

I would volunteer to go but if he somehow lives via armor or doc and is still watching me, he would know I tried to kill him.

I will decide who to check soon. Vote kill Velma send Patrick

We could also send Gladys if she doesn't want to take either doc or escort ability. Though I would assume should we want one or the other for lack of other options.

[Janet]

I would recommend no action at all against Sonya this night in retrospect. The chance of a bodyguard or lookout going on her is high since she claimed a mafia used an effect on her. We don't know either of those roles of course, but if they are a good target for them would be someone like Philip or Sonya. They don't know about Philip getting targeted of course so that leaves Sonya.

Also if Sonya is cult leader, more people stand a chance of dieing if the cult has higher numbers.

Investigate Steve

[Janet]

*we don't know either of those roles are in of course* typo sorry.

Please analyze my thoughts, we only have a little time left I want to know your opinions on them.

[Patrick]

I think it is a horrible idea to not kill/block Sonya. Even if she is a citizen, she is not acting like one. If anyone is going to kill it should be the grave robber, not the consort. Just my opinion.

[Janet]

Killing Velma tells us whether my paranoid cult suspicion was correct. If we shoot Sonya now we might be wasting a shot on a citizen, whereas I am more inclined to think Velma is a power role of some sort.

Also what roles like lookouts, bodyguards, bus drivers and doctors will do is watch and protect town power roles. Since we have no claimed town power roles as of yet, they might choose instead to use their ability on someone who was being affected by the mafia. That means Sonya who was drugged last night.

[Elixir]

Is there any way for us to tell if they are jailed or just absent?


Nope.

update:


Patrick blocking Sonya
Gladys doing nothing
Janet investigating Steve



Patrick going to kill Velma by 1 vote. If Patrick still intends to block Sonya, Your team wont kill tonight (only GF can force a kill out of someone wanting to use their ability)

[Janet]

Who should kill depends on what we need most at the moment.

Do we most want to get a heal? Then one of us would do the kill (me or you Pat).

Do we want information most? Then Gladys or Pat would do the kill.

Do we want to block someone most? Then me or Gladys would do the kill.

I would go with information, and I suppose blocking does give us information. In some cases more info than an invest even. So I guess you are right on that point. Gladys does make the most sense if our Godfather doesn't come back. I hope she doesn't mind delaying use of her ability. I suppose this makes it harder for the coroner to block her though.

[Janet]

Alright I'll change my vote to kill Velma send Gladys

[Janet]

Wait... lets assume someone jailed the godfather tonight. If that is correct and we block the jailor does that stop any possible execution?

[Janet]

Nevermind we lynched, silly me.

[Janet]

I'm just getting a little nervous about not hearing from our godfather, you can probably tell by all the terrible typos.

So about blocking Sonya. It obviously is your choice. I just think the risk v reward isn't good. There are two recruiting roles Sonya could be, while a bunch of citizen slots. The revolutionary leader isn't even for sure I think. So there is a low chance of reward.

The risk is that someone might be looking out for her and you might get exposed or killed. That is a stiff penalty.

[Janet]

Fyi, Patrick is currently visible on the forum. That is intentional I assume?

[Patrick]

Fyi, Patrick is currently visible on the forum. That is intentional I assume?


Nah it was not but meh, I fixed it.

[Janet]

Oh btw Patrick. I've been doing a little thinking about things that could be claimed if one of us gets pressure wagoned a good degree.

Since no one else claimed to be blocked yesterday that means it is unlikely there is another escort. So I think a bodyguard claim would be more believable from you if they checked with an invest.

Gladys has a very hard time if investigated, can only claim coroner. Might try claiming a framer?

As for myself invest would make the most sense. But that might get me culted or killed. I would also appear as a possible jester to an invest, which is pretty sweet but I'm not sure I'd want to use that either. Then again, previous mafias have shown jesters have decent survivability.

I assume Jerry has already been working on a claim lol.

[Gladys]

Andddd I find myself back from work, sorry about the late post. Have you guys thought about the looming beast? As mafia we can't kill it, nor will we have an easy way conveying any messages about him. What are we to do about that? Also: imagine another consort block coming out of nowhere. I can find myself using that in the future, assuming I'd take it tonight. Because of the lack of our Godfather, who is likely jailed, I'd suggest sending me out to do the killing, though. If I am caught, I have no way out of it. I can only counterclaim coroner, and a coroner clearly does not visit any living person. My advice: STEER CLEAR OF ANYONE THAT ARGUED AGAINST YVETTE -- THEY WILL BE WATCHED.

Velma is already on the town's watch list. Her constant changing of votes and lack of solid evidence against her accusations lets the town believe that she is scum. I'd advise not killing her. Give the town that other person to implode on. The second that you get rid of her..Janet and Patrick you guys will be watched. From what I've seen of your posts, if I were town, I'd keep my eyes peeled. Again, you guys are not as far under the radar as you'd think, the town just had larger fish to fry. Target the guys that are flying under the radar, let the town implode. That gives us our best chances. There's a reason that the mafia continuously loses games, and that's because they focus on the ones that they think are going to cause them the most pain. The town likes to lynch the ones that give the information, that much I have seen.


-vote kill Jimmy send Gladys

This guy is smart. He's using information from previous games and plugging it into this one. He continues to send out hints ABOUT investigations, etc. For some reason I'm starting to believe that he'll be one of the ones to piece everything together if we let him live. He was entirely anti-mafia, and is sure to be left unchecked. For this reason I believe he is a better target than Velma.

Elixir: If I am sent to do the killing, discredit this statement.

-rob Yvette

[Gladys]

Jerry last active:
September 22, 2011, 05:46:25 PM

Almost impossible to not be jailed. I'd consider him dead, his posts were horrible.

[Janet]

Unless Jerry is outed as Godfather you or anyone doing the killing might have a defense if a detective or lookout sees them. The kill will obviously be from us, who have a godfather. Therefore they accuser is lying to get you lynched like yesterday or you simply were performing some non killing action on your target. You won't be able to claim coroner with that defense of course. But coroner defense would be doomed to fail anyway if you weren't a janitor.

And I agree that we aren't that far under the radar. For my own part I fell for whatever Theo's game was and thought Yvette might actually be scum when I first voted. Unfortunately my initial vote is right in the middle of the order... the not too hot not too cold section scum like to dwell in. Rather big mistake I think but perhaps it will go unnoticed. Faye and Theo and Steve seem to be adequate distractions for now I suppose.

As far as players I'm worried about piecing things together... Alan perhaps. Jimmy isn't coming to mind atm so I will recheck his posts.

[Janet]

*I didn't make it clear before* If you kill someone and get seen going to them, you cannot be our godfather who of course would be making the kills because he has immunity to detectives and lookouts.

And thank you for pointing out Jimmy I fully agree with you now. It is odd that he actually hinted at being an invest... I won't wifom that though.

Plus if we kill him he was trying to vote up Steve. That could get interesting.

Vote Kill Jimmy send Gladys

I will also change my invest target because I'm curious about Velma since we aren't going to kill her.

Investigate Velma

[Patrick]

Somewhere I heard that our GF is Rumpel, and based on the last FM, we are fucked.

So what is the deal, who am I roleblocking?

[Gladys]

Well, assuming Philip is a killer...letting him lose could be good or bad. It's all luck on our part. We'd have to hope that he wouldn't kill one of us. The previous forum mafia shows that trusting a killer is never a good thing. I'm currently trying to decrypt one of someone's posts, as there's a potential hidden message in it. No, I'm not Yayap, Illidan, or Raiden, and it won't be easy, may take me a day or so.

As for who to roleblock..I'm not entirely sure. I'll leave this up to you two.

[Gladys]

I've given up on decrypting anything it's bedtime. Maybe another day I'll come back to it :p I'd probably suggest blocking your initial block. If the person is not anything, at least it will get him riled up enough to possibly makes a mistake and slip up.

[Janet]

I didn't get a rumpel vibe from him and in any case whoever is telling you that shouldn't be telling you that.

But anyway, block who you want.

[Janet]

Btw, Alan is a possible jailor candidate in my eyes. He seemed to notice a tell of some sort from Jerry who is now apparently jailed.

[Elixir]

Gladys to Kill Jimmy (consent to override given)


Elixir: If I am sent to do the killing, discredit this statement.


Janet to Investigate Velma

Patrick to block Sonya.

Is this final?

[Jerry]

Sorry for the abstinence, first i was taking my notes and decided to let you discuss alone and then I went to bed and overslept...

-kill Jimmy send Jerry

[Elixir]

Ah, Mr MacGrath, how nice of you to join us.

Jerry kills Jimmy.
Gladys to rob Yvette
Patrick to Block Sonya
Janet to investigate Velma

Any death note?

[Jerry]

Not from my side
Maybe giving our N1 block?

[Jerry]

Ok or maybe claim to have blocked someone we did not block, would discredit that person alot...

[Jerry]

If we do it that way Delores Alan or Candice would be great targets...

[Jerry]

We can do this another day, even thou we're not that far under the radar we are not in the focus and don't need to draw attention away (besides this could be an obvious move...)
so no dethnote today

[Janet]

I would not recommend that at all. It would just draw attention to us and probably wouldn't work. Someone would ask why we didn't talk about this when Yvette was about to be lynched.

[Janet]

Oh in the death note you mean... *shrug