Day II: No Blood on Our Hands

[Elixir]

InFamous 2: The Red Soundtrack - [Track 13/22] - Ascension Parish (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ4Org99RkE#ws)
(You know the drill refresh till you see it. Yes, the thread is a little bit early... I managed to get everything calculated really fast after the cut off :P, plus you deserve a little extra time seeing as I was late starting Day I right?)

No Blood on Our Hands

Dawn was peacefully welcomed in New Marais, no one yet anticipating what was about to be uncovered. As the members of the Militia began to arrive at the Forum it was noticed that there were two members missing… Voices from the crowd began to express delight that they had scared the Freaks from their town... and that’s when the alarm rang out.

New Marais police was already on the scene in Ascension Parish where “Verna” was lying facedown on the sidewalk… obviously dead, but without any signs of blood at all. The only noticeable abrasions on the body appeared to be from a blunt object, followed by something that made every single nerve in her body fire at once… totally paralyzing every muscle in her body, including her heart and onsetting rigor mortis hours before the body normally would. Someone in the crowd knew exactly what could do something like that; a bolt of lightning.

Inside Verna’s satchel, the Militia found a large amount of medical supplies and antitoxins that were confiscated. This act appeared to give the people of New Marais new drive... knowing that the freaks are willingly massacring their medical workers. Just as the group was coming to terms with what had happened, the other missing Militia body was found in their home.

“Joshua’s” home was not far from where Verna’s body was, a small wooden shack by a lake... There was obvious signs of forced entry as a large hole had been blown in the side of the shack and was visible as the group approached it. The group noticed that water was trickling out of the hole, and from under the door at the front. As they entered the home it was obvious what the cause was… Joshua was sitting in his chair, dead, with a massive glacier protruding his chest, his blood apparently frozen within his veins. The ice was beginning to melt, pouring water all over what was left of the shack. Everything else in the shack was also destroyed: doors off their hinges, photo frames broken and an inside wall had been kicked in.

The Militia didn’t find much of use in the destroyed Shack… it was apparent Joshua was living a relatively peaceful and simple law abiding life.

After the two bodies were buried the remaining Militia leaders entered the old courtroom in the Ville to begin the day's proceedings. Today there was a firing squad waiting outside, silently commissioned by Bertrand, in preparation for the first Freak to be put down. The citizens of New Marais saw them upon entry and were delighted. They were now certain that freaks resided in their town... and they wanted rid of them in the most vengeful way possible.



The Beast is 1200 Miles from New Marais.




Last Wills:

Joshua:
Contrary to popular belief, the Eskimo does not have one hundred different words for snow. They do, however, have two hundred and thirty-four words for fudge.



Verna did not leave a last will.



Day II will end at 7:30pm AEST Thursday 22th of September. - Follow this Link to see it in your time: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=7%3A30+pm+GMT%2B10+September+22

It will take 18 votes to send someone to the firing squad

To vote to send a player to the firing squad post -vote playername

You may vote to forego the rest of the day and begin night early. This is done by posting -vote end day. You must reach the same majority in order to begin night.



Members of the Militia Forum:

Jesse
Jimmy
Yolanda
Timothy
Phillip
Matthew
Patrick
Roger
William
Jerry
Yvette
Thomas
Olga
Amber
Gladys
Chris
Alan
Rosenberg
Faye
Sonya
Delores
Theodore
Jane
Thelma
Nina
Todd
Ralph
Elizabeth
Brian
Janet
Steve
Emerald
Velma
Candice



Graveyard:

Verna: (Medic): Found dead on the sidewalk in Ascension Parish with premature Rigor Mortis. [Night I]
Joshua: (Citizen): Found dead in his home with a massive glacier in his chest. [Night I]



Role List:

Cole MacGrath [MacGrath]
Lucy Kuo [MacGrath]
Zeke Dunbar [MacGrath]
Random Conduit [MacGrath]

Enforcer [Vermaak 88]
Janitor [Vermaak 88]
Random Conduit [Vermaak 88]
Random Conduit [Vermaak 88]

Soul of The Beast
Sasha (Reaper Leader)
Random Killing Neutral
Random Neutral
Random Neutral

Joseph Bertrand
Cop
Investigator
Coroner
Militia Extremist
Armorsmith
Priest
Random Power Town
Random Power Town
Random Power Town
Random Power Town
Random Power Town
Random Power Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen


Random Conduit: Disguiser, Conduit, Enforcer, Janitor, Consort, Grave Robber, Framer, Consigliere, Drug Dealer
Random Neutral: Amnesiac, Executioner, Jester, Student, Witch
Random Killing Neutral: Serial Killer, Nix the Pyromaniac, Laroche, Leader of the Rebels, Spree Killer
Random Power Town: Cop, Investigator, Coroner, Militia Extremist, Stripper, Medic, Gunsmith, Armorsmith, Bodyguard, Priest, Detective, Lookout, Bus Driver, Jailor, Veteran

[Yvette]

The lack of a third party kill is becoming a custom in these games. I'm going to assume the SK is not in this setup until differently proven.

[Brian]

Good morning... Well, not so good by the looks of it. Those freaks sure have crazy ways to kill people, a glacier in someone's chest, oh boy. What will they think of next?

You know, I heard this crazy rumour that there's some beast heading towards the city. If thats the case, why the hell are we locked down in here? Shouldn't we, you know, run for our lives?

Just a thought, don't mind me, what do I know, i'm just a dog.

[Yvette]

I just noticed the janitor is a confirmed role. No game has gone far beyond the 6th day, not taking into account the fact that this particular one has a time limit of 5 days unless we manage to kill the beast. Why wouldn't you sanitize your target, when you have 4 attempts?

[Alan]

You know, I heard this crazy rumour that there's some beast heading towards the city. If thats the case, why the hell are we locked down in here? Shouldn't we, you know, run for our lives?

Do you really think you can outrun the beast?

We should focus on what, or who, is attracting his attention here.

[Ralph]

Why wouldn't you sanitize your target, when you have 4 attempts?

Maybe the janitor was witched.

[Yvette]

Why wouldn't you sanitize your target, when you have 4 attempts?

Maybe the janitor was witched.


Why do you think the janitor was witched?

[Ralph]

It would explain why there was no sanitization. Can you think of another reason? (Besides afk mafia or something)

[Yvette]

It would explain why there was no sanitization. Can you think of another reason? (Besides afk mafia or something)


You left out a confirmed roleblocker in the red mafia (janitor is orange this time around) and the possibility of one/multiple jailors and escorts. You went straight for the witch. Explain why.

[Ralph]

I figured that you were the janitor trying to communicate with the witch, actually.

[Yvette]

I figured that you were the janitor trying to communicate with the witch, actually.


Now you are either claiming witch or witched janitor. I require a better explanation.

[Ralph]

Not really interested in providing one. I was just throwing an idea out there, and you jump all over me like that's suspicious somehow.

[Yvette]

Not really interested in providing one. I was just throwing an idea out there, and you jump all over me like that's suspicious somehow.


It is suspicious. Why didn't you consider the consort, at least?

[Ralph]

Because I had a thought and posted it. I didn't deliberate for 20 minutes trying to come up with all options before making a post.

[Yvette]

Because I had a thought and posted it. I didn't deliberate for 20 minutes trying to come up with all options before making a post.


I will take note of this. You just made a huge mistake, regardless of the faction you play with.

[Ralph]

I don't see how that can possibly make sense.

[Emerald]

an explanation who kills how would be good, the rp confused me :( so it's two mafia kills?





Not really interested in providing one. I was just throwing an idea out there, and you jump all over me like that's suspicious somehow.


It is suspicious. Why didn't you consider the consort, at least?


one the one hand ralph could have really just thrown his first idea out there without thinking much, on the other hand is indeed a little bit suspicious to only think of the witch (who isn't in the setup neccessarily and could just be randomed) while not mentioning confirmed roles that could also prevent sanitizing. the thing is that we won't know which one it is, because ralph would always tell us that it was only a random thought.

[Jesse]

Ahoy!

[Elixir]

an explanation who kills how would be good, the rp confused me :( so it's two mafia kills?


One's electricity one's Ice.

I thought it was straightforward.

[Amber]

The poor medic! Citizen too :( but I feel most sorry for the medic

[Jerry]

Hi again,
still missing my cat, have you seen it?

uhm the discussion about the missing janitor is indeed interesting, I for myself doubt that the janitor is afk, we have only a single member who did not show up at all(Olga), another one(Timothy) posted in another forum but not here. I think the host would have brough another one in to take the seat of afk mob, I bet mafia would flame elixir long enough to do as they wish.
So assuming that Olga is not the Janitor (Timothy still suspicious imho) I would guess that the janitor was in any way blocked (escorts, jailers or consorts), but if we assume multiple roleblockers we cant be sure of a missing sk as well.
Two out of three neutral killers have the ability to kill first night so a Arso could also be here. Or the neutral killer choosed not to kill on purpose to trick roleblockers... just realising that janitor could have done the same...
Anyway its to early to make any speculations about a missing sk imho

Also if i read Day 1 right it is the red Mafia which works with electricity and the orange using ice

[Jerry]

The poor medic! Citizen too :( but I feel most sorry for the medic

Reminds me of the Epicmafia "meet the doc": 'I'm the most important powerrole at all. When the cop dies, oh well. When the bomb dies, oh well. But when the doc dies you better start panicing' xD

Also even the dead citizen is bad, masons weren't in a good spot from the beginning, this doesn't make it easier for them...

[Yvette]

Day started early: the janitor is not afk.

He either chose not to sanitize (unlikely if you ask me) or his action has been altered in some way. Blocked, jailed, witched are all possibilities.

I don't think the sk chose not to kill, for the same reason the janitor wouldn't. If the janitor was indeed blocked, the chances of a blocked sk are lower. I assume there is an arsonist or unlucky spree killer.

[Roger]

Well with all this talk of blockage, I'd just like to announce that I got blocked last night, if it aids the investigation.

[Yvette]

Well with all this talk of blockage, I'd just like to announce that I got blocked last night, if it aids the investigation.


Ralph, what do you think of this claim?

[Gladys]

I'd like to say that I'm heading to bed, just got home from work. The day's finally started! I'll contribute to the town's conversation when I've gotten my ZzZ's in.

[Faye]

Nothing of importance to report from my end. I can already tell people are putting way too much thought into some of these early accusations.

I'll be on and off throughout the day to try and keep up with everything.

[Todd]

Seems like there is always a lack of kills at the start of forum mafia now. Good thing though it is harder to tell why without a full listing of the exact roles.

[Ralph]

Well with all this talk of blockage, I'd just like to announce that I got blocked last night, if it aids the investigation.


Ralph, what do you think of this claim?


I donno, I'm kinda sceptical. If he were town, how would it help to reveal info like that? But, why would it be beneficial to lie? So it could go either way I guess.

[Todd]

Well with all this talk of blockage, I'd just like to announce that I got blocked last night, if it aids the investigation.


Ralph, what do you think of this claim?


I donno, I'm kinda sceptical. If he were town, how would it help to reveal info like that? But, why would it be beneficial to lie? So it could go either way I guess.


Well the first reason would be to reveal there is a roleblocker, then he could either be saying I'm town don't roleblock me or using the logic that if he weren't town he wouldn't say he was roleblocked.

either way suspicous claim is suspicous

[Roger]

Just tryin' to help, guys. Don't mean to cause a stir.

[Jerry]

mhm not sure if its really that suspicious, he may indeed only want to share every information he does have...
also we don't even know where this roleblock comes from, the only confirmed roleblocker is mafia, so if he is really a town power role, forcing him to claim this way would only attract more roleblocks or even get him killed

[Roger]

Exactly, I want you guys to make use of my info.

[Jerry]

for the record, i don't team with roger, he may still be a blocked serial killer or the janitor trying some wifom, last time people thought evil roles won't be that stupid the sk won the game...

[Jerry]

also there are possible drug dealers around, are you in the group of roles that get feedback from their night actions?

[Yvette]

Well with all this talk of blockage, I'd just like to announce that I got blocked last night, if it aids the investigation.


Ralph, what do you think of this claim?


I donno, I'm kinda sceptical. If he were town, how would it help to reveal info like that? But, why would it be beneficial to lie? So it could go either way I guess.


Allow me to rephrase: do you think Roger is suspicious?

[Jerry]

also there are possible drug dealers around, are you in the group of roles that get feedback from their night actions?

nvm, better not answer this, I'm not sure anymore if you should share this info, the origin of the roleblock doesn't matter right now

[Roger]

Haha, I've just messed everything up now haven't I?

[Brian]

He doesn't strike me as suspicious, not more than others, though I can't say this with certainty. Right now everyone are suspicious all the same to me.

I'm pretty sure that Roger is a rabbit, not a pirate. Don't believe his avatar.

[Roger]

Aw, c'mon, I've changed it FROM Mr. Rabbit to this already. :P

[Alan]

also there are possible drug dealers around, are you in the group of roles that get feedback from their night actions?

nvm, better not answer this, I'm not sure anymore if you should share this info, the origin of the roleblock doesn't matter right now

That was an huge one. Good thing you don't want to know anymore ...

[Todd]

I think everyone is suspicous!

[Brian]

Do you want some streetside counceling Todd? I'l take meat as payment.

Tell me about your childhood, was it rough? Did you have a tough time? Don't be afraid to talk, i'm all ears, and my ears are big being a dog and all.

[Candice]

Some interesting events have occurred thus far. I suppose the theory about Ralph does have some logic behind it, I won't both to explain it at this juncture however.

For the moment I shall observe.

[Elizabeth]

I don't have much time now, but stateing the obvious, there was a kill from both Mafias, but none from the neutral or town killers. Vigilante's can't shoot night 1, and the neutral killer could be Nix or LaRoache.

[Velma]

typical day 2, never get shit done.

[Alan]

I don't have much time now, but stateing the obvious, there was a kill from both Mafias, but none from the neutral or town killers. Vigilante's can't shoot night 1, and the neutral killer could be Nix or LaRoache.

You should read the role cards better, Laroche is like revolutionists.

And the neutral killing role could also be a Spree Killer that visited an empty home, or a blocked sk.

[Phillip]

typical day 2, never get shit done.


The day has just started, give it time. Besides last time we almost lynched a mafia... I guess you could say thats not getting anything done but oh well. *Shrug.*

[Yvette]

Ok, we must do something before we get to something.

-vote Ralph

I want to know why he left the consort out of the picture. Either he knows something about the janitor, or he knows something about the consort.

[Candice]

Ok, we must do something before we get to something.

-vote Ralph

I want to know why he left the consort out of the picture. Either he knows something about the janitor, or he knows something about the consort.

I will vote with you, but first you will make an adequate argument discussing the logic of both paths of thinking.

[Brian]

Do you really think he knows something? Honestly, I doubt that, but I don't mind putting some pressure on the guy.

-vote Ralph

I reserve the right to cancel my vote later. Can I have some meat now?

[Ralph]

Comeon guys, all I did was suggest an idea. I even asked if you had other ideas. I was just trying to brainstorm.

[Theodore]

This is most interesting. Yvette accusing Ralph?

I will tell you guys right now that the mafia is quite intelligent and has already planned out how to behave Day 2. I am going to re-read everything more carefully before deciding on what to do next.

[Theodore]

This is most interesting. Yvette accusing Ralph?

I will tell you guys right now that at least one mafia is quite intelligent and has already planned out how to behave Day 2. I am going to re-read everything more carefully before deciding on what to do next.

[Emerald]

hm, now yvette is focusing on ralph a lot, especially since the day has basically just started.




I want to know why he left the consort out of the picture. Either he knows something about the janitor, or he knows something about the consort.


he already said that witch was just the first thing he thought of. i don't think you will hear much more from him, may be be lying or telling the truth. also, he could know something about a possible witch, why do you leave that out of your picture?

[Ralph]

also, he could know something about a possible witch, why do you leave that out of your picture?


Hmmm... ???

*rubs chin*

[Alan]

Yvette I don't think you'll get anything more out of Ralph even with a pressure lynch. If you want to accuse him for good, do it like Candice said.

Same thing for you Theodore, if you want to make an accusation go ahead and be clear, otherwise it's not helpful at all.

[Yvette]

also, he could know something about a possible witch, why do you leave that out of your picture?


Yeah that's exactly what I want to know. Or, he might be red mafia, and he knows where the consort went. The consigliere, perhaps. Roleblock plus investigation is common strategy.
You don't simply say the janitor was witched when there is a confirmed consort, that's a dumb move regardless which faction you belong to.

And I am already seeing two people on his defense, am I correct?

[Chris]

Hi guys.
I don't have anything new to tell you.
So here is some old:

Ralph jumping on witch instead of anything else is odd to me too. But I don't think now is the best time to expose what he knows in case he is a power role. We have no more confirmed doc, so unless one of the random roles was doc, bodyguard or bus driver. We have no confirmed way of protecting him tonight.

I say we let the guy slide for now. But keep an eye on him.

Yvette getting aggressive also looks interesting. But it could be good or bad. Gabriele was aggresive in FM4 and Claw was in FM3. 2 different roles, so I'll let this go as well. For now.

I won't be on much but I'll try to contrubute as much as I can when I am on. So far, not much to say. I'll be back later today.

[Ralph]

I said maybe

[Theodore]

Play-By-Play:






Why wouldn't you sanitize your target, when you have 4 attempts?

Maybe the janitor was witched.


Why do you think the janitor was witched?


Yvette calls out Ralph for providing an unlikely scenario that may or may not have occurred.




It would explain why there was no sanitization. Can you think of another reason? (Besides afk mafia or something)


You left out a confirmed roleblocker in the red mafia (janitor is orange this time around) and the possibility of one/multiple jailors and escorts. You went straight for the witch. Explain why.


Yvette points out that Ralph left out the possibility of another unlikely scenario occurring.




Because I had a thought and posted it. I didn't deliberate for 20 minutes trying to come up with all options before making a post.


I will take note of this. You just made a huge mistake, regardless of the faction you play with.


Ralph claims he is impulsive. Yvette says being impulsive is the same as being mafia.

My Thoughts:


Yvette is using a Claw/Gabrielle style of play to stay alive longer. Remember that Claw lived to the end of the game in Forum Mafia 2, and Gabrielle was in no real danger of dying. This does not indicate her alignment, but it seems mafia-esque
Ralph is simply brainstorming what could have happened at night. This is pro-town.
Yvette is hypocritical because: Ralph proposes one theory(witched janitor). Yvette proposes another(Blocked Janitor) and accuses Ralph of not thinking of her proposition. By this same logic, I can propose another theory that the janitor chose to save his clean to confuse town, which Yvette has not considered, and vote to lynch Yvette. Her logic is hypocritical and I advise all of you not to join this bandwagon.

[Todd]

Do you want some streetside counceling Todd? I'l take meat as payment.

Tell me about your childhood, was it rough? Did you have a tough time? Don't be afraid to talk, i'm all ears, and my ears are big being a dog and all.


Nawh my childhood was pretty good, I did get bullied in grade 5 though, hard times man!

[Candice]

Or, he might be red mafia, and he knows where the consort went.

This is poor logic, even if he had knowledge of where the consort went, he would have no knowledge of who the janitor is, and as such there is little reason to rule out the Consort completely as it appeared he had. In fact, in this scenario it would probably be MORE likely that he was adamant that the janitor was role-blocked.

I will give you one more chance to solve the gap I'm missing, assuming neither of us can fill it, we can only assume there is no gap to fill, and this is all a waste of effort.

[Emerald]

also, he could know something about a possible witch, why do you leave that out of your picture?


Yeah that's exactly what I want to know. Or, he might be red mafia, and he knows where the consort went. The consigliere, perhaps. Roleblock plus investigation is common strategy.
You don't simply say the janitor was witched when there is a confirmed consort, that's a dumb move regardless which faction you belong to.

And I am already seeing two people on his defense, am I correct?


if that was what you wanted to know why didn't you mention the witch (who is important here because of ralph's post) or other roles, that could cause this, only the consort?
the thing is you won't find out by pressuring him. you would only find out by lynching him. and i think for that you are too agressive for being a few hours into the day.
it was dumb because everybody has now an eye on him, yes and i too find it suspicious. but it does not neccessarily mean he is scum.
ralph is suspicious, but you are too.

[Theodore]

Yvette is using a Claw/Gabrielle style of play to stay alive longer. Remember that Claw lived to the end of the game in Forum Mafia 3, and Gabrielle was in no real danger of dying.

I think it was 3 actually. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Alan]

And I am already seeing two people on his defense, am I correct?

If you're talking about me, it's really sad how you twist people words on the beginning of day2. What I said is very clear and can't be interpreted in other ways.

Theodore: yes, it was FM3.

[Velma]

On a lighter subject, Theodore's avatar reminds me of Tide.

On a heavier subject, Yvette is playing too pro-town she seems anti-town, and is also analyzing things far too much like Broderick and Nikole in the previous Forum Mafia

[Velma]

Personal Opinion: Yvette is a Jestercutioner.

[Sonya]

Ralph, you're being overly defensive once accused, you submit and resort to the "not thinking" excuse. Now I don't know if you really were hinting something, or just trying to contribute without thinking on it for a minute. There was a certain vigilante last game who acted exactly like that, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet, while I would love to hear from you some more, there is no need to go under ground now that a small group of people turned their gaze upon you.


I also want to inform you about the events of last night. A stranger in a shiny sports car stopped right beside me and invited me in. He seemed nice, but something was off about him. He started driving at insane speeds and almost ran over a cat who was crossing the road at the time. He winked smugly at me and pointed at his crotch. I felt violated, slapped him in the face and demanded him to pull over. When I finally got out of the car, I realized I was on the other end of the city, far away from home.

[Velma]

Ralph, you're being overly defensive once accused, you submit and resort to the "not thinking" excuse. Now I don't know if you really were hinting something, or just trying to contribute without thinking on it for a minute. There was a certain vigilante last game who acted exactly like that, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet, while I would love to hear from you some more, there is no need to go under ground now that a small group of people turned their gaze upon you.


I also want to inform you about the events of last night. A stranger in a shiny sports car stopped right beside me and invited me in. He seemed nice, but something was off about him. He started driving at insane speeds and almost ran over a cat who was crossing the road at the time. He winked smugly at me and pointed at his crotch. I felt violated, slapped him in the face and demanded him to pull over. When I finally got out of the car, I realized I was on the other end of the city, far away from home.


That's easy to decipher, there's a bus driver or drug dealer.
Next, the vig last game is a perfect example of people over-analyzing something.

[Theodore]

I also want to inform you about the events of last night. A stranger in a shiny sports car stopped right beside me and invited me in. He seemed nice, but something was off about him. He started driving at insane speeds and almost ran over a cat who was crossing the road at the time. He winked smugly at me and pointed at his crotch. I felt violated, slapped him in the face and demanded him to pull over. When I finally got out of the car, I realized I was on the other end of the city, far away from home.

Sonya claims she was bus driven or drugged.

[Sonya]

If anyone encountered the same stranger last night, feel free to spread the word about him so that he won't get to pull that shit on anybody else.

[Theodore]

You beat me to it...


On a lighter subject, Theodore's avatar reminds me of Tide.

It's a gas station in America I think. I like my avatar, it means something special to me.

[Theodore]

If anyone encountered the same stranger last night, feel free to spread the word about him so that he won't get to pull that shit on anybody else.

So far we have:

Roger - Roleblocked (Which makes Yvette look bad)
Sonya - Busdriven (we need the other driven person to confirm this)

Also, Ralph may have information that there is a witch in play.

[Sonya]

So Theodore, about that post you made earlier... Care to share?

[Theodore]

So Theodore, about that post you made earlier... Care to share?

Read my longish post at the top of this page. That is me demonstrating "sharing".

[Ralph]

Also, Ralph may have information that there is a witch in play.


No, it was just an idea. I wasn't being tricky. I have no info.

[Theodore]

So Theodore, about that post you made earlier... Care to share?

Read my longish post at the top of this page. That is me demonstrating "sharing".
...And just as I post, we move on to the next page. Just my luck.

[Jane]

This is most interesting. Yvette accusing Ralph?

I will tell you guys right now that the mafia is quite intelligent and has already planned out how to behave Day 2. I am going to re-read everything more carefully before deciding on what to do next.


Why so much confidence in the mafia planning out their day 2 behavior? I feel like the tone of this post is weird.

I don't really think Ralph is suspicious for leaving out other occurrences.

[Candice]

Roger - Roleblocked (Which makes Yvette look bad)

Why?

[Theodore]

This is most interesting. Yvette accusing Ralph?

I will tell you guys right now that the mafia is quite intelligent and has already planned out how to behave Day 2. I am going to re-read everything more carefully before deciding on what to do next.


Why so much confidence in the mafia planning out their day 2 behavior? I feel like the tone of this post is weird.

hm, maybe you're right. Maybe it means something?

[Theodore]

Roger - Roleblocked (Which makes Yvette look bad)

Why?

Yvette's whole problem with Ralph was that Ralph didn't consider that the consort may have blocked the Janitor. Unless Roger is the blocked janitor or lying, Yvette is probably wrong about that possibility.

[Candice]

Roger - Roleblocked (Which makes Yvette look bad)

Why?

Yvette's whole problem with Ralph was that Ralph didn't consider that the consort may have blocked the Janitor. Unless Roger is the blocked janitor or lying, Yvette is probably wrong about that possibility.

Yes, but they are both likely wrong, why does Yvette look bad when it is just as likely that Ralph was wrong as well? In fact, why is being wrong about speculation condemning in the first place? If it turns out that the janitor did get roleblocked, does that mean you are likely suspicious as well for being wrong about Yvette being wrong? No, the most likely scenario is that the janitor chose not to clean a random kill, and all of this speculation is for naught.

[Candice]

It would explain why there was no sanitization. Can you think of another reason? (Besides afk mafia or something)


You left out a confirmed roleblocker in the red mafia (janitor is orange this time around) and the possibility of one/multiple jailors and escorts. You went straight for the witch. Explain why.

P.S. I'd be more careful about what you claim as fact, it will weaken your arguments in the future.

[Theodore]

Roger - Roleblocked (Which makes Yvette look bad)

Why?

Yvette's whole problem with Ralph was that Ralph didn't consider that the consort may have blocked the Janitor. Unless Roger is the blocked janitor or lying, Yvette is probably wrong about that possibility.

Yes, but they are both likely wrong, why does Yvette look bad when it is just as likely that Ralph was wrong as well? In fact, why is being wrong about speculation condemning in the first place? If it turns out that the janitor did get roleblocked, does that mean you are likely suspicious as well for being wrong about Yvette being wrong? No, the most likely scenario is that the janitor chose not to clean a random kill, and all of this speculation is for naught.

That is exactly my conclusion on the topic. Notice I did not vote Yvette. Yes, she looks bad, but there is no real conclusive evidence here.

[Candice]

That is exactly my conclusion on the topic. Notice I did not vote Yvette. Yes, she looks bad, but there is no real conclusive evidence here.

If that was "exactly your conclusion on the topic", you would not have said what you did about Yvette. Do not attempt to blanket-agree with my posts when you are clearly not reading them or avoiding the topics they discuss. I will not warn you again.

[Theodore]

That is exactly my conclusion on the topic. Notice I did not vote Yvette. Yes, she looks bad, but there is no real conclusive evidence here.

If that was "exactly your conclusion on the topic", you would not have said what you did about Yvette. Do not attempt to blanket-agree with my posts when you are clearly not reading them or avoiding the topics they discuss. I will not warn you again.

I explained why I said Yvette looks bad for saying that. Clearly, you are not reading my posts. Honestly, I don't care what you think I am. I think you are town and I see no reason to argue with you.

[Candice]

Seems like there is always a lack of kills at the start of forum mafia now. Good thing though it is harder to tell why without a full listing of the exact roles.

I would like to call this quote into question. Think about it for a few minutes as to what exactly it says. And about the #1 tool the town has in FM.

[Ralph]

you guys overthink this stuff

[Janet]

I figured that you were the janitor trying to communicate with the witch, actually.


About the whole Ralph-Yvette thing, this quoted post sticks out to me. If he actually thought Yvette was janitor his response just doesn't make sense for a townie playing it straight. I don't think there is near enough to get a lynch and I don't think pressuring him will get anything else out of him so I won't pile on him.

Also, unless Sonya was switched with one of the dead people, we should be able to confirm a drug dealer or bus driver. I'm guessing drug dealer since it was night one. But who knows. I suppose either conclusion doesn't help us much today though.

Anyone else have any ill effects or report?

[Velma]

I figured that you were the janitor trying to communicate with the witch, actually.


About the whole Ralph-Yvette thing, this quoted post sticks out to me. If he actually thought Yvette was janitor his response just doesn't make sense for a townie playing it straight. I don't think there is near enough to get a lynch and I don't think pressuring him will get anything else out of him so I won't pile on him.

Also, unless Sonya was switched with one of the dead people, we should be able to confirm a drug dealer or bus driver. I'm guessing drug dealer since it was night one. But who knows. I suppose either conclusion doesn't help us much today though.

Anyone else have any ill effects or report?


Well, we have no idea whether its a drug dealer or a bus driver considering half of the people in this game haven't posted in day 2 yet

[Velma]

Also, I'd say just as a precaution, any investing done on Sonya, could be invalid, so if it happens that she WAS bus driven AND invested in the same night, then the invests are getting nowhere fast

[Yvette]

OK, stop.

Most people who answered about my argument with Ralph are either not paying attention or are mafia. I will answer all of you in detail.

First of all, I am not being aggressive. Random brainstorming is NOT pro town. Smart brainstorming is. Furthermore, Ralph's subsequent answers are not really convincing either. That said, more than 3-4 people are not willing to follow my logic. I don't believe this is a mafia block, thus I advise all townies not to answer in place of people you don't know anything about.



Yvette is hypocritical because: Ralph proposes one theory(witched janitor). Yvette proposes another(Blocked Janitor) and accuses Ralph of not thinking of her proposition. By this same logic, I can propose another theory that the janitor chose to save his clean to confuse town, which Yvette has not considered, and vote to lynch Yvette. Her logic is hypocritical and I advise all of you not to join this bandwagon.


I did NEVER clearly suggest a blocked janitor. I pointed out that there are many possibilities besides the witch, including jailor. I DID, on the other hand, say that the janitor COULD have chosen not to sanitize his target, but I said it is unlikely. Because I think it would be stupid to do so.
You even went as far as saying Roger being roleblocked makes me look bad. Explain why.



This is poor logic, even if he had knowledge of where the consort went, he would have no knowledge of who the janitor is, and as such there is little reason to rule out the Consort completely as it appeared he had. In fact, in this scenario it would probably be MORE likely that he was adamant that the janitor was role-blocked.

I will give you one more chance to solve the gap I'm missing, assuming neither of us can fill it, we can only assume there is no gap to fill, and this is all a waste of effort.


You quoted my sentence, you ask for an explanation, and you didn't even bother reading further?



Or, he might be red mafia, and he knows where the consort went. The consigliere, perhaps. Roleblock plus investigation is common strategy.


Anyways. Those of you who said I wouldn't get anything from pressuring Ralph are probably correct about that, but you ruined any effort of picking out the overly defensive people.

On to the next subject: Theodore, you have been pointed out by a lot of people, and I agree with them on you being suspicious. You aren't paying attention, you are quick to separate town from mafia, and your opinions are based on facts you can't possibly know about. What do you have to say? Please don't forget my other question above.

[Yvette]

Note to town: witch shares investigation results only with other neutrals. If you have any clue about a witch in this game, go ahead and accuse her.

[Jane]

and your opinions are based on facts you can't possibly know about.

Which opinions are you referring to, other than the one about one of the mafias being intelligent?

[Yvette]

and your opinions are based on facts you can't possibly know about.

Which opinions are you referring to, other than the one about one of the mafias being intelligent?


I will tell you after Theodore has responded.

Ralph, would you be willing to reveal your COM identity? I want to know more about you. It will probably be beneficial to you, too.

[Thomas]

-VOTE NINA

[Gladys]

-VOTE NINA


Care to elaborate on that one. It's out of the blue. Highly suspicious with NO explanation.

[Thomas]

im vigi u cannot stop me

[Ralph]

Isn't that cheating?

[Gladys]

I don't understand your logic. -Wipes his nose free of blood from his oncoming aneurism-

[Alan]

Isn't that cheating?

What?

[Patrick]

-VOTE NINA


Care to elaborate on that one. It's out of the blue. Highly suspicious with NO explanation.

Pretty much this. If you can support your vote, please do so. This seems too half assed to be town power.

Also thomas, not sure if scum or citizen bait...

[Patrick]

Isn't that cheating?

Since when is role claiming cheating??? It is one of the core aspects of the game.

[Janet]

This might be the stupidest thing I've yet said in a forum mafia, but something makes me ALMOST want to believe Thomas. Perhaps it reminds me of Nark's sheriff trolling in the previous games. He troll accused actual mafia and didn't get shot simply because he looked anti town.

I mean his claim to being vig is obviously wrong. The voting implies an investigative role like a sheriff, since vig couldn't know anything night one because he can't find invuls night one. Could he be a jester or exec? Well that would be really obvious so I would assume not but can't rule it out.

[Yvette]

If you guys are referring to revealing your COM identity... no, that's not cheating. Claw revealed himself as Claw.

Thomas, really, you gotta explain that.

[Thomas]

or maybe im vigi

[Janet]

If you are vigilante, you would have no way of knowing if Nina or anyone was scum. You would have the exact same information everyone else has because you haven't had a chance to shoot someone and find they are invulnerable. So what is the reasoning behind Nina?

[Alan]

If you are vigilante, you would have no way of knowing if Nina or anyone was scum. You would have the exact same information everyone else has because you haven't had a chance to shoot someone and find they are invulnerable. So what is the reasoning behind Nina?

So basically you're asking someone, implying he doesn't have any information, to give you said information. I fail to see the logic in your post.

[Janet]

See my previous post. I think he isn't vig and that he is town power with information who is trolling to avoid being shot while also giving out his results.

[Janet]

Basically he gave out a huge scum tell of randomly voting someone out of the blue and claiming a role with no one even asking him to claim. That is so scummy I assume that he ISN'T scum. So I want to believe him but I want him to not be so trollish.

[Alan]

See my previous post. I think he isn't vig and that he is town power with information who is trolling to avoid being shot while also giving out his results.

If he's trolling, he won't tell you now. And we'll never believe him, see what happened in previous FMs.



Basically he gave out a huge scum tell of randomly voting someone out of the blue and claiming a role with no one even asking him to claim. That is so scummy I assume that he ISN'T scum. So I want to believe him but I want him to not be so trollish.

Exactly, maybe he wants us to believe he's jester so we'll leave him alone. That's a good strategy, but I would never assume he's town for sure.

[Thomas]

im troling

[Emerald]

the possibilities for thomas as far as i can see:

- he really is vigilante (not very probable, it wouldn't fit his vote on nina because he wouldn't have knowledge and nina didn't do anything of notice yet)
- he is a very obvious jester
- he is scum, trying to cover up as troll/jester
- he is a town power role, trying to cover up as troll/jester (not very probable, i think, because nobody will believe him now and waiting till he dies and risking a cleaning would be dumb)
- he is a troll

[Janet]

im too lazy to hit the L key twice

[Todd]

Yvette is suspicous too me, in addition to all her bad theroycrafting she went into defence overkill after there was comment about Ralph defending himself too much.

Now to do boring ass reading for my class tomorrow!

[Gladys]

the possibilities for thomas as far as i can see:

- he really is vigilante (not very probable, it wouldn't fit his vote on nina because he wouldn't have knowledge and nina didn't do anything of notice yet)
- he is a very obvious jester
- he is scum, trying to cover up as troll/jester
- he is a town power role, trying to cover up as troll/jester (not very probable, i think, because nobody will believe him now and waiting till he dies and risking a cleaning would be dumb)
- he is a troll


Also..
-he is a citizen, acting as bait for all killing roles, revolutionists, cult, masons, etc.

That's a big possibility.

[Gladys]

Meant to quote that first part, failed in the process. Oh well.

[Patrick]

im troling

Yea....
Another question, could it be that the random vote was for lurkers? If so due to timezones we need more time for people to chime in.

[Alan]

-he is a citizen, acting as bait for all killing roles, revolutionists, cult, masons, etc.

Since when trolling = bait? It's quite the contrary.

Everyone knows he's not a vigi by now, and he's suspected of being scum, why would someone waste a kill on him?

[Roger]

Well I suppose not a whole lot important has happened. It's unfortunate. Also, trolling ftw.

[Gladys]

You paid attention to only the killing part of that post.

-he is a citizen, acting as bait for all killing roles, revolutionists, cult, masons, etc.

[Alan]

I would never recruit him either. I thought it was obvious.

[Chris]

Yea....
Another question, could it be that the random vote was for lurkers? If so due to timezones we need more time for people to chime in.


I saw Nina online earlier. She is just not posting.

I don't know what to think of Thomas yet. Trolling is obvious, reason for trolling is still unknown.

[Yvette]

bad theroycrafting


Explain why my theorycrafting is bad, please.

[Chris]

Now to do boring ass reading for my class tomorrow!


I just want clarification. This is IRL class and not a hidden claim to being student right?

[Candice]

<Yvette's large post>

I see. You have passed my test for the day. Assuming you do not suggest some radical lynch with no logical backing, I will put quite a bit of consideration into voting with you.

[Steve]

Two things:
1) Thomas is obviously sas.
2) If you guys are serious about the accusation towards Ralph, then you're all fucking idiots. Ralph was obviously too lazy to write out all the possibilities and left the rest of them (roleblocker etc) to the imagination. Nobody is retarded enough to fuck up that badly.

[Janet]

His initial post doesn't seem out of place, but some of his responses in his exchange with Yvette were interesting.

[Gladys]

OMG Steve your signature ads..pure evil

[Sonya]

Also, I'd say just as a precaution, any investing done on Sonya, could be invalid, so if it happens that she WAS bus driven AND invested in the same night, then the invests are getting nowhere fast


This is very interesting. I will not leave it out, because there are surely others who noticed.
It is considered bad play to drive people day 1. I was convinced I was actually drugged, and would even suspect I still could be drugged if a second claim came in.
But you specifically are trying to discredit me, without need, in case something as unlikely as bus driving would happen to me.
On the other hand, you could be the driver who decided to drive for the heck of it, and want to correct the investigations somehow without claiming. That would be an extremely stupid thing to do and I don't think you're stupid.

[Velma]

-vote Thomas

Want SAS out of the game, he makes it not fun.

[Velma]

Also, I'd say just as a precaution, any investing done on Sonya, could be invalid, so if it happens that she WAS bus driven AND invested in the same night, then the invests are getting nowhere fast


This is very interesting. I will not leave it out, because there are surely others who noticed.
It is considered bad play to drive people day 1. I was convinced I was actually drugged, and would even suspect I still could be drugged if a second claim came in.
But you specifically are trying to discredit me, without need, in case something as unlikely as bus driving would happen to me.
On the other hand, you could be the driver who decided to drive for the heck of it, and want to correct the investigations somehow without claiming. That would be an extremely stupid thing to do and I don't think you're stupid.


I said this as a possibility, you claimed to have been driven/drugged, so I'm just reminding invests if they happened to invest you, that their read may not be 100% accurate. I am in no way trying to discredit what you say in any way at all

[Chris]

Also, I'd say just as a precaution, any investing done on Sonya, could be invalid, so if it happens that she WAS bus driven AND invested in the same night, then the invests are getting nowhere fast


Bla bla
But you specifically are trying to discredit me, without need, in case something as unlikely as bus driving would happen to me.
Bla bla


I didn't see anything wrong with Velma post. She implide that if investigators got a guilty on you then wait before revealing. If anything, she was giving you credit, not discrediting.

I do find it strange that you jumped onto defensive side so quickly for an innocent comment. Do you have anything to hide?

[Faye]

Also, I'd say just as a precaution, any investing done on Sonya, could be invalid, so if it happens that she WAS bus driven AND invested in the same night, then the invests are getting nowhere fast


This is very interesting. I will not leave it out, because there are surely others who noticed.
It is considered bad play to drive people day 1. I was convinced I was actually drugged, and would even suspect I still could be drugged if a second claim came in.
But you specifically are trying to discredit me, without need, in case something as unlikely as bus driving would happen to me.
On the other hand, you could be the driver who decided to drive for the heck of it, and want to correct the investigations somehow without claiming. That would be an extremely stupid thing to do and I don't think you're stupid.


I like how you got defensive right away though. You're so nervous that you're doing what I did first time I got mafia. You're defending yourself whenever anyone says something about you in anyway just in case.

You sound nervous, but that's just me.

[Sonya]

Also, I'd say just as a precaution, any investing done on Sonya, could be invalid, so if it happens that she WAS bus driven AND invested in the same night, then the invests are getting nowhere fast


Bla bla
But you specifically are trying to discredit me, without need, in case something as unlikely as bus driving would happen to me.
Bla bla


I didn't see anything wrong with Velma post. She implide that if investigators got a guilty on you then wait before revealing. If anything, she was giving you credit, not discrediting.

I do find it strange that you jumped onto defensive side so quickly for an innocent comment. Do you have anything to hide?



Is why I jumped on the comment in the first place - it is almost granted I was drugged, it's not worth mentioning. This guy is trying to look like he's helping me, to create a link to me. Did he need to do that comment? Was he adding something nobody would think of? Or was he "clearing" me for no reason to look like we're related? Why did you not think of that? Why do you think I am defensive? I see weird shit done to me, I call it out.

[Jane]

On the topic of Sonya, wouldn't a Mafia member want investigators to think their investigations were invalid?

I'm not seeing how Velma is trying to discredit you as you originally stated though, Sonya. IF you were driven, it's true that any investigation results are invalid in what they say about you. I personally see nothing wrong with pointing it out.

[Velma]

Also, I'd say just as a precaution, any investing done on Sonya, could be invalid, so if it happens that she WAS bus driven AND invested in the same night, then the invests are getting nowhere fast


Bla bla
But you specifically are trying to discredit me, without need, in case something as unlikely as bus driving would happen to me.
Bla bla


I didn't see anything wrong with Velma post. She implide that if investigators got a guilty on you then wait before revealing. If anything, she was giving you credit, not discrediting.

I do find it strange that you jumped onto defensive side so quickly for an innocent comment. Do you have anything to hide?



Is why I jumped on the comment in the first place - it is almost granted I was drugged, it's not worth mentioning. This guy is trying to look like he's helping me, to create a link to me. Did he need to do that comment? Was he adding something nobody would think of? Or was he "clearing" me for no reason to look like we're related? Why did you not think of that? Why do you think I am defensive? I see weird shit done to me, I call it out.


There could be a lot of stupid people in this game, just covering all my bases, and making sure a stupid investigator role claims, says your guilty, and then we find out you were driven, and that he was wrong all along

[Velma]

Or ya know, stupid invest could role claim, then if you were driven, stupid bus driver can role claim, and we kill a scum anyhow, but ya know, that doesn't sound very pleasurable to me, cuz then we have two power roles claimed and no known docs/bodyguards to protect them

[Velma]

Or ya know, stupid invest could role claim, then if you were driven, stupid bus driver can role claim, and we kill a scum anyhow, but ya know, that doesn't sound very pleasurable to me, cuz then we have two power roles claimed and no known docs/bodyguards to protect them


although again, since no one else has claimed to have been driven, then the idea that a bus driver even exists is still up for debate

[Velma]

and lastly, even if someone else claims driven, then there could still be two drug dealers, who just happened to get the same message, but that sounds very unlikely to me.

[Sonya]

I will correct my English, he was discrediting investigations, not me. But he put an indirect link to me, and if you choose to ignore it, that is your problem.

[Yvette]

Well, first of all

-unvote Ralph

this has partially served its purpose. I still think he is fairly suspicious, but I don't want to lynch him right now.

I kinda agree with Sonya on her logic, however there are far too many lurkers to make assumptions about that. I am still waiting for answers from Theodore and Todd.

Velma, what do you think about Roger? He hasn't posted much after his roleblocked claim. And why are you so sure that Thomas is SAS?

[Patrick]

-vote Thomas

Want SAS out of the game, he makes it not fun.

This is suspicious as fuck. People can play in whatever manner they decide too. Voting someone because you think you know their true ID is wrong, this was clearly displayed last game. Our doctor is dead, we can hope there was one randomed, but unless we get lucky, a true reveal is dangerous without concrete info, even with a randomed bg.

On another note, there was two kills, and we a good chance of having more KPN than what occured. Priority one is to find the soul of the beast. Then we can move on to eliminating scum. Right now we have 9 pages of nothing that gives us solid direction. I am not saying reveal, but the clock is ticking, the beast must be found.

[Velma]

-vote Thomas

Want SAS out of the game, he makes it not fun.

This is suspicious as fuck. People can play in whatever manner they decide too. Voting someone because you think you know their true ID is wrong, this was clearly displayed last game. Our doctor is dead, we can hope there was one randomed, but unless we get lucky, a true reveal is dangerous without concrete info, even with a randomed bg.

On another note, there was two kills, and we a good chance of having more KPN than what occured. Priority one is to find the soul of the beast. Then we can move on to eliminating scum. Right now we have 9 pages of nothing that gives us solid direction. I am not saying reveal, but the clock is ticking, the beast must be found.


I disapprove of trolls. I want SAS gone, because he ruins games. However, I have no evidence he's SAS

-unvote Thomas



Velma, what do you think about Roger? He hasn't posted much after his roleblocked claim. And why are you so sure that Thomas is SAS?


I don't have a read on Roger quite yet, he seems similar to Rumpel in FM3. simply because of the roleblock claim. However, we can deduce that he may in fact be town, if we psycho-analyze the rest of his posts. I myself, am terrible at psycho-analyzing so I leave that to you.

[Candice]

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."
- Sun-Tzu
I err you on the side of caution my dear townspeople. Think before you speak, we will all be better off for it.

[Brian]

So, the Ralph pressure thing is off then? Oh well, back to endless conversations then.

-unvote

That soul of the beast thing would be rather hard to find no? Granted every faction wants this dangerous person out of the way, but even with everyone looking for him the chances are still low to actually find him. Technically we still have time, but we'l have to get rid of him eventually. I don't want to be eaten by no beast.

[Patrick]

On paper Rogers roleblock claim seems pure town, let me explain why.
1: There was 2 kills with the possibility of more.
2: Town benefits by getting as much info as possible.
3: What does he stand to gain by claiming he was roleblocked if scum?

I am by no means saying he is 100% town, but that is how I interpreted the claim.

[Todd]

Now to do boring ass reading for my class tomorrow!


I just want clarification. This is IRL class and not a hidden claim to being student right?


It is irl but that won't stop everyone from thinking I made a ninja claim cause you guys overanalyze things.

[Thomas]

-vote Nina
-vote Nina
-vote Nina
-vote Nina
-vote Nina
-vote Nina

my vote still stands fuc this

[Patrick]

Thomas, please post why. That is all that is being asked of your claim, even if it is just a hint. You underestimate random town powers. We are very likely to have a means of protection alive.

[Rosenberg]

On another note, there was two kills, and we a good chance of having more KPN than what occured. Priority one is to find the soul of the beast. Then we can move on to eliminating scum. Right now we have 9 pages of nothing that gives us solid direction. I am not saying reveal, but the clock is ticking, the beast must be found.


This sounds like tunnel vision to me.

[Patrick]

On another note, there was two kills, and we a good chance of having more KPN than what occured. Priority one is to find the soul of the beast. Then we can move on to eliminating scum. Right now we have 9 pages of nothing that gives us solid direction. I am not saying reveal, but the clock is ticking, the beast must be found.


This sounds like tunnel vision to me.

Not at all, you could chain lynch scum every day and still have the beast win. Even more concerning is if the beast is culted. While the beast is in play, we have a ticking timebomb. Once it is gone we have much more time.
Elixir would not make it so the beast would take longer than the KPN + population.
Could we get clarification on how fast the beast advances please? Or the exact mechanic.

[Velma]

150 per day/night

[Delores]

I'm here, and I have nothing to add.

[Janet]

I will correct my English, he was discrediting investigations, not me. But he put an indirect link to me, and if you choose to ignore it, that is your problem.


I didn't read him as linking himself to you but as trying to appear helpful to invests/sheriffs. Either to stop them from wasting time on him if he is town or to avoid checks if he is scum. The link to you is neither positive or negative, because he could be saying you look guilty when innocent or look innocent when guilty.

[Patrick]

150 per day/night

Thanks for the clarification, so while the beast is a threat, there is still a decent amount of time. I missed the detail in the role card and rp areas somehow.
I still want to know why Thomas is voting Nina and hear from Nina if possible.

[Steve]

On paper Rogers roleblock claim seems pure town, let me explain why.
1: There was 2 kills with the possibility of more.
2: Town benefits by getting as much info as possible.
3: What does he stand to gain by claiming he was roleblocked if scum?

I am by no means saying he is 100% town, but that is how I interpreted the claim.

Hurr WIFOM.
Could someone explain what the Soul of the Beast does? From what I read it's basically LOL SCARY THING THAT WILL DO BAD THINGS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, but I may have misread.

[Steve]

Disregard that. I just saw the role cards thread.

[Theodore]

I'm back. Looks like a lot of discussion happened while I was gone. Let me first give you my thoughts of Thomas.

Use this:
http://www.thecouncilofmages.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=1206

His posts convey that

1. He wants nina dead.
2. He is vig.

My Theory:


Thomas is probably witch.
By trolling, he will not get himself killed by the mafia. He sees this as the best way to stay alive.

A possibility: He may have witched Nina and found out that (maybe) he was able to control her to direct a kill. By voting Nina, he informs the mafia that he is indeed the witch, but because he is trolling town will never kill Nina or Thomas. It is a win-win situation for him.

Of course, that is all speculation and may not be true, but don't count it out. We have to ask ourselves, "Why Nina?" and this is a good explanation of events.

We need Nina to talk in order to discuss this further.
[/list]

I am going to get to Yvette and Candice next.

[Sonya]

I will correct my English, he was discrediting investigations, not me. But he put an indirect link to me, and if you choose to ignore it, that is your problem.


I didn't read him as linking himself to you but as trying to appear helpful to invests/sheriffs. Either to stop them from wasting time on him if he is town or to avoid checks if he is scum. The link to you is neither positive or negative, because he could be saying you look guilty when innocent or look innocent when guilty.


I don't think investigation results matter much, what matters is that he was trying to imply they might not mean anything, while the chances of a real bus drive are extremely low. Now you can WIFOM endlessly about his intentions and helpfulness, I myself am not sure about anything yet.

[Timothy]

Kill them all

[Faye]

Kill them all


LOL Your avatar makes that so much funnier.

[Thomas]

hello thomas is vig look at his first postr Irrefutable Evadance

[Theodore]

Discussing Candice






That is exactly my conclusion on the topic. Notice I did not vote Yvette. Yes, she looks bad, but there is no real conclusive evidence here.

If that was "exactly your conclusion on the topic", you would not have said what you did about Yvette. Do not attempt to blanket-agree with my posts when you are clearly not reading them or avoiding the topics they discuss. I will not warn you again.

I explained why I said Yvette looks bad for saying that. Clearly, you are not reading my posts. Honestly, I don't care what you think I am. I think you are town and I see no reason to argue with you.

Candice and I had a little skirmish and it basically ended with that last quote of mine. Candice gave up very easily, which doesn't make any sense to me. Why give up?

Lets look at my sentence again:

"I explained why I said Yvette looks bad for saying that. Clearly, you are not reading my posts. Honestly, I don't care what you think I am. I think you are town and I see no reason to argue with you."
-Theodore

I say that she is town and she drops all accusations on me. I find this very suspicious. If a player A was accusing player B and Player B says A is town, would A just give up on B? No. A mafia would give up accusing because he has made a new "friend".

Before any of you ask, know that she is not AFK. She was last active within the hour.

If this isn't enough, look at another post of hers





<Yvette's large post>

I see. You have passed my test for the day. Assuming you do not suggest some radical lynch with no logical backing, I will put quite a bit of consideration into voting with you.

This just made me angry. First of all, she says she has a test that Yvette passed. She does not say what exactly led her to agree with Yvette at all. If you look at Yvette's post, which I will address later, it is unlikely you will find anything that confirms her interest. What led Candice to say this?

I have a feeling that Candice and Yvette are both on the same mafia team. I'm not going to vote anyone just yet, but those are my thoughts.

[Patrick]

Kill them all

Why hello there! Care to add anything of note good sir?

[Jimmy1]

Hello all, I have returned! After reading everything, I have created a suspicions list:
•Candice (Theodore convinced me)
•Thomas (Reminds me of FM III Zack/Zane)

In short, I have little to contribute except who I believe. Please continue now.

[Jane]

I have a feeling that Candice and Yvette are both on the same mafia team. I'm not going to vote anyone just yet, but those are my thoughts.


I feel like Candice's exchanges with you and Yvette are pretty similar. What makes them so different to make you think that Yvette is affiliated with Candice?

[Candice]

Allow me to attempt to guide you back in the right direction.


Candice and I had a little skirmish and it basically ended with that last quote of mine. Candice gave up very easily, which doesn't make any sense to me. Why give up?

Lets look at my sentence again:

"I explained why I said Yvette looks bad for saying that. Clearly, you are not reading my posts. Honestly, I don't care what you think I am. I think you are town and I see no reason to argue with you."
-Theodore

I say that she is town and she drops all accusations on me. I find this very suspicious. If a player A was accusing player B and Player B says A is town, would A just give up on B? No. A mafia would give up accusing because he has made a new "friend".

First off, I would like to note that you are twisting my words. I never once accused you of anything, I simply asked you to explain yourself and pointed out how your reasoning was wrong after you did. I dropped my argument against you because the statement "Clearly, you are not reading my posts." suggests you are asking me to engage in an argument of semantics and pissing contests, which is neither worth the time nor the effort in my opinion.


Before any of you ask, know that she is not AFK. She was last active within the hour.

If this isn't enough, look at another post of hers

This just made me angry. First of all, she says she has a test that Yvette passed. She does not say what exactly led her to agree with Yvette at all. If you look at Yvette's post, which I will address later, it is unlikely you will find anything that confirms her interest. What led Candice to say this?

I have a feeling that Candice and Yvette are both on the same mafia team. I'm not going to vote anyone just yet, but those are my thoughts.

I am truly sorry you cannot recognize that I was measuring up Yvette's deductive reasoning skills as well as her response to an incorrect/falsified rebuttal. Discussions of the hypothetical are more than just the back and forth. That's all I have to say on the matter, I will be happy to explain myself to someone a bit more credible than you.

[Theodore]

OK, stop.

Most people who answered about my argument with Ralph are either not paying attention or are mafia. I will answer all of you in detail.

First of all, I am not being aggressive. Random brainstorming is NOT pro town. Smart brainstorming is. Furthermore, Ralph's subsequent answers are not really convincing either. That said, more than 3-4 people are not willing to follow my logic. I don't believe this is a mafia block, thus I advise all townies not to answer in place of people you don't know anything about.



Yvette is hypocritical because: Ralph proposes one theory(witched janitor). Yvette proposes another(Blocked Janitor) and accuses Ralph of not thinking of her proposition. By this same logic, I can propose another theory that the janitor chose to save his clean to confuse town, which Yvette has not considered, and vote to lynch Yvette. Her logic is hypocritical and I advise all of you not to join this bandwagon.


I did NEVER clearly suggest a blocked janitor. I pointed out that there are many possibilities besides the witch, including jailor. I DID, on the other hand, say that the janitor COULD have chosen not to sanitize his target, but I said it is unlikely. Because I think it would be stupid to do so.
You even went as far as saying Roger being roleblocked makes me look bad. Explain why.

Oh really?

Case 1:


Day started early: the janitor is not afk.

He either chose not to sanitize (unlikely if you ask me) or his action has been altered in some way. Blocked, jailed, witched are all possibilities.

I don't think the sk chose not to kill, for the same reason the janitor wouldn't. If the janitor was indeed blocked, the chances of a blocked sk are lower. I assume there is an arsonist or unlucky spree killer.

Case 2:




Not really interested in providing one. I was just throwing an idea out there, and you jump all over me like that's suspicious somehow.


It is suspicious. Why didn't you consider the consort, at least?

Case 3:




It would explain why there was no sanitization. Can you think of another reason? (Besides afk mafia or something)


You left out a confirmed roleblocker in the red mafia (janitor is orange this time around) and the possibility of one/multiple jailors and escorts. You went straight for the witch. Explain why.


Three separate occasions where you suggested it. You just lied.

Yes, you also suggested other possibilities of what may have happened at night, but that is irrelevant. Ralph suggests a perfectly reasonable explanation of what may have happened at night and you want him dead. Also, I already answered why I said Roger being roleblocked makes you look bad. Please re-read my posts.

[Faye]

-vote Candice

Lynch all liars. I'm using that until hard evidence comes out. No reason to lie unless you're trying to hide something. If need be I'll pull off at the last second and hammer vote in case of jester(Remember random person + hammer voter dies.)

I don't think something as subtle as this could be a jester ploy, but nonetheless this is where I stand.

[Faye]

-Vote Candice

For visibility. I'm not keeping track this time.

[Candice]

-vote Candice

Lynch all liars. I'm using that until hard evidence comes out. No reason to lie unless you're trying to hide something. If need be I'll pull off at the last second and hammer vote in case of jester(Remember random person + hammer voter dies.)

I don't think something as subtle as this could be a jester ploy, but nonetheless this is where I stand.

Please, point out where I've lied.

[Elixir]

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas

Please attempt to keep a running tally... makes it easier not only for me but for your fellow voters.

Thank you.

[Theodore]

First off, I would like to note that you are twisting my words. I never once accused you of anything, I simply asked you to explain yourself and pointed out how your reasoning was wrong after you did. I dropped my argument against you because the statement "Clearly, you are not reading my posts." suggests you are asking me to engage in an argument of semantics and pissing contests, which is neither worth the time nor the effort in my opinion.


What?

Do not manipulate my words Candice. You said this:

Do not attempt to blanket-agree with my posts when you are clearly not reading them or avoiding the topics they discuss. I will not warn you again.

To which I specifically replied:

Clearly, you are not reading my posts.

This was intended to show you that it is not I who is not reading your posts, it is you who is not reading mine. Additionally, it is not I who is twisting your words, it is you who is twisting mine.

I was not the one to cut off quotes to make them appear in my favor, you were. I presented everything as fair and just as possible. I never once wanted to engage in a contest of semantics and I am offended that you believe that.

Please, provide a better reason for dropping your case against me because that reason was pathetic.

[Patrick]

vote Candace
I agree with the lynch all liars approach and feel this is the first time I have felt we have direction. After posting a blatant lie, forcing a role claim or forcing info out of Candace would benefit us.

It could be forgetfullness but saying that they never referenced something the did 3 times seems wrong.

[Jimmy1]

vote Candace
I agree with the lynch all liars approach and feel this is the first time I have felt we have direction. After posting a blatant lie, forcing a role claim or forcing info out of Candace would benefit us.

It could be forgetfullness but saying that they never referenced something the did 3 times seems wrong.


That was Yvette :P

[Theodore]

To be clear, Candice isn't the one who is lying, Yvette is. Candice is simply manipulating words and providing a terrible defense of herself. I personally think that Yvette is more dangerous than Candice.

I must leave for quite some time, so I am going to make my decision to pressure Yvette. I feel like I have gotten enough out of Candice for now.

-vote Yvette

See you soon.

[Ralph]

Yvette voted me. Its only fair

vote Yvette

[Patrick]

My mistake
vote Yvette
I have played this entire game from my droid where I can see 1 small post at a time and motherfucking autocorrect. So excuse me going forward as I am doing the best I can. Being out of town is annoying.

With that being said my original statement stands.

[Ralph]

Being out of town

:o

[Patrick]

Being out of town

:o

I am in Portland OR you goober.

[Ralph]

Just kidding. ;) :)

[Timothy]

-Vote Yvette

[Rosenberg]

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (2): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy

listen to the host; he is god.

[Rosenberg]

edit:
Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (3): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy

[Rosenberg]

edit again: its helpful to vote in color
Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (4): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph

[Candice]

Theodore, you are picking and choosing which sentences to respond to in my post. For instance, in our original discussion, the only sentence you directly responded to was the last.

Yes, but they are both likely wrong, why does Yvette look bad when it is just as likely that Ralph was wrong as well? In fact, why is being wrong about speculation condemning in the first place? If it turns out that the janitor did get roleblocked, does that mean you are likely suspicious as well for being wrong about Yvette being wrong? No, the most likely scenario is that the janitor chose not to clean a random kill, and all of this speculation is for naught.

The bolded section is what you responded to, and italicized is what you chose to ignore in this post:

That is exactly my conclusion on the topic. Notice I did not vote Yvette. Yes, she looks bad, but there is no real conclusive evidence here.

And in this most recent confrontation:

First off, I would like to note that you are twisting my words. I never once accused you of anything, I simply asked you to explain yourself and pointed out how your reasoning was wrong after you did. I dropped my argument against you because the statement "Clearly, you are not reading my posts." suggests you are asking me to engage in an argument of semantics and pissing contests, which is neither worth the time nor the effort in my opinion.





First off, I would like to note that you are twisting my words. I never once accused you of anything, I simply asked you to explain yourself and pointed out how your reasoning was wrong after you did. I dropped my argument against you because the statement "Clearly, you are not reading my posts." suggests you are asking me to engage in an argument of semantics and pissing contests, which is neither worth the time nor the effort in my opinion.


What?

Do not manipulate my words Candice. You said this:

Do not attempt to blanket-agree with my posts when you are clearly not reading them or avoiding the topics they discuss. I will not warn you again.

To which I specifically replied:

Clearly, you are not reading my posts.

This was intended to show you that it is not I who is not reading your posts, it is you who is not reading mine. Additionally, it is not I who is twisting your words, it is you who is twisting mine.

I was not the one to cut off quotes to make them appear in my favor, you were. I presented everything as fair and just as possible. I never once wanted to engage in a contest of semantics and I am offended that you believe that.

Please, provide a better reason for dropping your case against me because that reason was pathetic.

See? Also, it's funny you should say that(in reference to the underlined portion), as you used the same quote formating in this post as I do in all of mine, which makes you a bit hypocritical don't you think?

Also, for anyone who is confused as to who Theodore is referring to in the post directly after my previous rebuttal to him, it is Yvette. Unlike his other two posts covering Thomas and Myself, he chose for some reason not to give her post a header. Whether this is coincidence or purposeful, I cannot say for sure. Take what you can gleam from this mess.

[Rosenberg]

Theodore has put up a well constructed argument against Yvette. Yvette lied. I can see no reason for a pro town to lie this early in the game except for gambits. however this is no gambit that I have seen or is a highly irregular one. I believe that Yvette is scum or at least an anti-town player. since this is the first (lynching) day I say that we punish all liars.

-Vote Yvette

[Rosenberg]

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (5): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg

[Roger]

I don't even know anymore. I fear that I may unintentionally jump on the bandwagon here, and I really don't want to do that. Let's give it some more time, which we still have a bit of.

[Thelma]

Dang theodore good job with the case
-vote Yvette

[Rosenberg]

Don't lynch Yvette until he/she? gives a response to this accusation. I'm going to be gone for two hours. Somebody else needs to keep track of the votes for me.

[Thelma]

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (5): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma

[Delores]

vote Yvette
Yvette (7) Thedore Patrick Timothy Ralph Rosenburg Thelma Delores.

[Thelma]

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (7): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores

[Patrick]

I don't even know anymore. I fear that I may unintentionally jump on the bandwagon here, and I really don't want to do that. Let's give it some more time, which we still have a bit of.

I don't understand this logic, with vote pressure we get somewhere, Yvette has yet to defend herself and you are already discouraging a vote. By doing nothing we get nowhere. If Yvette is scum I am marking you down as an ally.

You can always remove a vote if hammer is close, but I feel this dissuasion after only 5 votes is odd.

I for one will pull my vote if she gives reason to do so, but we have yet to hear a response.

[Delores]

I say we stop about the 11 vote mark, that should be all the pressure we need.

[Janet]

That is such a weird lie to make too. I'm not really sure what the benefit of it is. If Claw is willing to hammer though he must be confident that Yvette isn't a jester. We should give Yvette a chance to respond of course but we need something like 18 votes to lynch so I have no problem with starting the momentum now.

Last game Misove got away simply because the momentum for the lynch got stalled for so long throughout the day. Since I think that was partly my fault I'd rather not see it happen again.

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (8): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Janet

[Phillip]

-Vote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (8): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Phillip

Please explain the lie, Yvette.

[Janet]

Doh.

Vote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (8 ): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Janet

[Janet]

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (9 ): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Janet, Philip

[Patrick]

The stalling is why I am suspicious of Roger who did so with so few votes. The whole "I don't even know anymore" line strikes me as odd as well. It is out of place.

[Jane]

Also, I already answered why I said Roger being roleblocked makes you look bad. Please re-read my posts.


Except you didn't. This is what you said:

Yvette's whole problem with Ralph was that Ralph didn't consider that the consort may have blocked the Janitor. Unless Roger is the blocked janitor or lying, Yvette is probably wrong about that possibility.

All you said is that Yvette is probably wrong about the consort blocking the Janitor. So how does that make her look bad?

This exchange also happened:










Roger - Roleblocked (Which makes Yvette look bad)

Why?

Yvette's whole problem with Ralph was that Ralph didn't consider that the consort may have blocked the Janitor. Unless Roger is the blocked janitor or lying, Yvette is probably wrong about that possibility.

Yes, but they are both likely wrong, why does Yvette look bad when it is just as likely that Ralph was wrong as well? In fact, why is being wrong about speculation condemning in the first place? If it turns out that the janitor did get roleblocked, does that mean you are likely suspicious as well for being wrong about Yvette being wrong? No, the most likely scenario is that the janitor chose not to clean a random kill, and all of this speculation is for naught.

That is exactly my conclusion on the topic. Notice I did not vote Yvette. Yes, she looks bad, but there is no real conclusive evidence here.


You still haven't explained it and completely dodged Candice's question. You still haven't answered my previous question either.

And this case for Yvette lying doesn't make any sense. Are you guys reading the full posts in question or just looking at the segments that Theodore bolded?

On a related note:


Yvette is hypocritical because: Ralph proposes one theory(witched janitor). Yvette proposes another(Blocked Janitor) and accuses Ralph of not thinking of her proposition. By this same logic, I can propose another theory that the janitor chose to save his clean to confuse town, which Yvette has not considered, and vote to lynch Yvette. Her logic is hypocritical and I advise all of you not to join this bandwagon.


But wait...


He either chose not to sanitize (unlikely if you ask me) or his action has been altered in some way. Blocked, jailed, witched are all possibilities.


Hmm, seems like Yvette actually did consider that theory, contrary to what you said. From the same post:



Ralph claims he is impulsive. Yvette says being impulsive is the same as being mafia.


This never happened. Theodore is lying just as much as Yvette.

[Roger]

Fine, fine. If pressure is what you want, pressure is what you get.

-vote Yvette

[Roger]

I shall depart for the night, good luck.

[Yolanda]

Or ya know, stupid invest could role claim, then if you were driven, stupid bus driver can role claim, and we kill a scum anyhow, but ya know, that doesn't sound very pleasurable to me, cuz then we have two power roles claimed and no known docs/bodyguards to protect them

you act like bus drivers are an extremely valuable town role or something. also, an investigator would have to be excessively dumb to claim day 2 when we have wills in this game.
:\



In any event, pressuring Yvette is as good a choice as Theodore.

~vote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (10): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Janet, Philip, Yolanda

[Velma]

I don't even know anymore. I fear that I may unintentionally jump on the bandwagon here, and I really don't want to do that. Let's give it some more time, which we still have a bit of.


Wishy-washy voting is a sign of mafia/scum

I've used the "I don't even know anymore" line numerous times, this is transparent.

[Janet]

Because I had a thought and posted it. I didn't deliberate for 20 minutes trying to come up with all options before making a post.


I will take note of this. You just made a huge mistake, regardless of the faction you play with.


Is this what you are referring to for you last bit? I'm trying to remember the full context seeing as that was far earlier on. It seems like it might be more of a misread or gloss rather than outright lie on Claw's part. Would still be a bit of a tell I admit though.

I did go back and look at some of the posts and have again. I think Claw/Theodore's thoughts on Yvette are probably correct but am a little curious about... I hate the slash... Cheodore? Anyway I am curious about him. Still more interested in Yvette.

[Velma]

Dang theodore good job with the case
-vote Yvette


This is TOO supportive, I don't like it.

Also Transparent

[Delores]

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (11): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Janet, Philip, Yolanda Roger.

Fixed

[Janet]

Dang theodore good job with the case
-vote Yvette


This is TOO supportive, I don't like it.

Also Transparent


Velma vs Thelma, the rumble in the jungle.

[Velma]

I do agree that the evidence for Yvette is pretty sound

-vote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (12): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Janet, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma

[Janet]

Alright six votes away, should we hold votes for 6-8 hours for a defense?

[Delores]

I think we have all the pressure we need, now to wait for Yvette to post.

[Jimmy1]

OK, I think the Yvette lynch is somewhat justified, but it's becoming a bandwagon... I will wait until she speaks to vote

[Steve]

I need a liver.

-vote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (13): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Janet, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve

[Janet]

You're doing it wrong.

[Janet]

Unvote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (12): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve

[Delores]

I need a liver.

-vote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (13): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Janet, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve



You're doing it wrong.


OK, I think the Yvette lynch is somewhat justified, but it's becoming a bandwagon... I will wait until she speaks to vote
That's the whole point of a pressure vote. Now stop voting
Steve, wtf.
Ty Janet.

[Janet]

Must be because Macs only have one button and can only do one thing.

[Todd]

This lynch vote is going way too fast, probable scum bandwagoning!

[Delores]

This lynch vote is going way too fast, probable scum bandwagoning!
Sorry for the mess of quotes,
First line if for Jimmy,
Second for Steve,
Third for Janet unvoting.

Todd, it's called a pressure vote, we are not lynching him, yet.

[Delores]

Must be because Macs only have one button and can only do one thing.
You made my day.

[Candice]

You are putting the pressure vote on the wrong side of this argument. I urge you to read through the posts in this thread for yourselves. Stop skim reading and eating out of the palm of bolded words.

[Elixir]

Just quickly double checked it, and you guys are tracking it correctly. Thanks ^_^.

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (12): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve

[Faye]

Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (13): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve. Faye

My bad on the vote. I can't even see where I got Candice's name from. I knew the person you quoted lied so I offered to bring up a pressure lynch.

FYI Hammer is at 18. We have lots of space between now and then to hold off/unvote.

-vote Yvette

[Janet]

Why was I mixing you up with Theo Claw? Well anyway, we have plenty of time and as you can see people are very willing to pile on. So I say hold off the votes for bit longer. We don't want a mafia faction all playing stupid and trying to end the day early.

[Delores]

Stop voting already, L-6 is fine.
Unvote Yvette

[Patrick]

I shall depart for the night, good luck.

You making one of the scummiest posts then immediately voting and leaving this discussion will not be forgotten. Based solely on your post history, my vote will immediately jump to you if we find some reason to not vote Yvette.

I am without a doubt convinced you are scum.

[Elizabeth]

Hi all!

I actualy think Auckmid might have had the right idea with longer days, because I was at school most of the day, so I have few oppotunities to post as it's no longer summer :(

Reading through now. I must ask that everyone reads through the thread before voteing, instead of just sheeping. Haveing said that, Delores's post...

Stop voting already, L-6 is fine.
Unvote Yvette

Seems to feels like classic scum pretending to be town with all the "I want to cancel my vote at L-5 in case 1 of you morons accidentily hammer, which would cause us to get less information, which I think is bad because I'm town... So yeah." In fact, this comment makes me think even more so that Delores is Jester then yesterday right now, trying to get a couple of tainted town points so people will think him real scum, not just Jester. I don't see much town-motivation from him...

[Elizabeth]

Oh, and before I can forget...




Why wouldn't you sanitize your target, when you have 4 attempts?

Maybe the janitor was witched.
Things like this could be potential attempts for Mafia to secretly comunicate with the witch and vice-verca.

[Delores]

Hi all!

I actualy think Auckmid might have had the right idea with longer days, because I was at school most of the day, so I have few oppotunities to post as it's no longer summer :(

Reading through now. I must ask that everyone reads through the thread before voteing, instead of just sheeping. Haveing said that, Delores's post...

Stop voting already, L-6 is fine.
Unvote Yvette

Seems to feels like classic scum pretending to be town with all the "I want to cancel my vote at L-5 in case 1 of you morons accidentily hammer, which would cause us to get less information, which I think is bad because I'm town... So yeah." In fact, this comment makes me think even more so that Delores is Jester then yesterday right now, trying to get a couple of tainted town points so people will think him real scum, not just Jester. I don't see much town-motivation from him...



If 1 useful thing has come form today, is that when the "Fruitmonster" flips, it will actualy give us a fair bit of information.You seem to really not like me.



Unvote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (12): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve

This is the same thing, why single me out?

[Elizabeth]

Hi all!

I actualy think Auckmid might have had the right idea with longer days, because I was at school most of the day, so I have few oppotunities to post as it's no longer summer :(

Reading through now. I must ask that everyone reads through the thread before voteing, instead of just sheeping. Haveing said that, Delores's post...

Stop voting already, L-6 is fine.
Unvote Yvette

Seems to feels like classic scum pretending to be town with all the "I want to cancel my vote at L-5 in case 1 of you morons accidentily hammer, which would cause us to get less information, which I think is bad because I'm town... So yeah." In fact, this comment makes me think even more so that Delores is Jester then yesterday right now, trying to get a couple of tainted town points so people will think him real scum, not just Jester. I don't see much town-motivation from him...



If 1 useful thing has come form today, is that when the "Fruitmonster" flips, it will actualy give us a fair bit of information.You seem to really not like me.



Unvote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (12): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve

This is the same thing, why single me out?
You spent last day spaming the thread with useless shit. How does that in any way, shape or form help the town? All it does is make it harder to find any useful stuff.

[Delores]

Hi all!

I actualy think Auckmid might have had the right idea with longer days, because I was at school most of the day, so I have few oppotunities to post as it's no longer summer :(

Reading through now. I must ask that everyone reads through the thread before voteing, instead of just sheeping. Haveing said that, Delores's post...

Stop voting already, L-6 is fine.
Unvote Yvette

Seems to feels like classic scum pretending to be town with all the "I want to cancel my vote at L-5 in case 1 of you morons accidentily hammer, which would cause us to get less information, which I think is bad because I'm town... So yeah." In fact, this comment makes me think even more so that Delores is Jester then yesterday right now, trying to get a couple of tainted town points so people will think him real scum, not just Jester. I don't see much town-motivation from him...



If 1 useful thing has come form today, is that when the "Fruitmonster" flips, it will actualy give us a fair bit of information.You seem to really not like me.



Unvote Yvette

Candice (1): Faye
Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (12): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Delores, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve

This is the same thing, why single me out?
You spent last day spaming the thread with useless shit. How does that in any way, shape or form help the town? All it does is make it harder to find any useful stuff.
It was day I.
Is it really that hard to understand. Day one is a day where you cannot take that much from. 95% of all posts in day one are useless spam. You still didn't say why you targeted me, and not both me and Janet, who did the same thing.

[Faye]

Before you try to twist your way out of this, I saw Janet as an actual town member wanting to cool off on voting. Notice how she didn't even remotely try to push town toward doing anything. There was no little comment about "UHG GUYS LOOK AT ME I ARE DOING RIGHT THING".

She cancelled her vote when they past the breaking point for her. I'd much rather see the voting stalled at around 14-15 before I unvoted, but that's my breaking point. It takes a lot to make a person who's trying to hide to come out. Yayap last game got up to 10+ votes at one point an barely defended himself because he wasn't scared yet. When it gets down to only a few more people need to vote and I'm dead for the rest of the game they'll come out and try to defend/lie/throw people under the bus.

You're just manipulating your lie into a "Call to action" as if you are the hero in the situation. You're not. I'm not and neither is Elizibeth. There is no hero New Marais deserves right now.

This was my assessment on what you're trying to do right now. I don't trust you, but that means jack shit since there are bigger fish to fry. I just wanted to make sure you didn't get out of that convoluted lie like the weasel I assume you to be.

Good day sirs and madams.

[Elizabeth]

I like Theordores case against Yvette a lot. I never found Yvette that overly sucmmy before then, but that was well writen by Theordore.

I'm not quite ready to let go of Ralph imediately putting down that he thought that the Janitor had been witched. He may very well be Janitor or Witch.

And then Delores...


Is it really that hard to understand. Day one is a day where you cannot take that much from. 95% of all posts in day one are useless spam. You still didn't say why you targeted me, and not both me and Janet, who did the same thing.
Janet made 3 frikin posts day 1, you made around 30, maybe more. What exactly did you choose her???

-Vote Ralph
Not ready to let the first 2 pages go yet.

P.S.: Keep an eye on those sheep ;)

[Delores]

Sigh, who still cares about day one anyways, I'm not worried.
Cya all again in 16-18 hours.

[Rosenberg]

Nina (1): Thomas
Yvette (12): Theodore, Patrick, Timothy, Ralph, Rosenberg, Thelma, Philip, Yolanda, Roger, Velma, Steve. Faye
Ralph (1) Elizabeth

Remember to keep this up to date. It helps Elixir. A happy host is (probably) a good host.

[Jimmy1]

"You will never fine a more wretched hive of scum and villainry..."
-Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi, Star Wars Episode IV

I am willing to bet that at least 3 of the people voting for Yvette are scum trying to pass themselves off as town. Someone should check it out tonight.

[Rosenberg]

now the question is, which 3? (rhetorical question)

[Yvette]

I just read everything up to now. I must say, I am impressed at this game's mafia. They are so more proficient than the previous teams that I'm honestly scared.

Everyone jumped on a bandwagon on me just because of this post



Oh really?

Three separate occasions where you suggested it. You just lied.

Yes, you also suggested other possibilities of what may have happened at night, but that is irrelevant. Ralph suggests a perfectly reasonable explanation of what may have happened at night and you want him dead. Also, I already answered why I said Roger being roleblocked makes you look bad. Please re-read my posts.


where Theodore says i LIED because i was SUGGESTING THE JANITOR WAS BLOCKED by saying it three times. I mean, really? You are either mafia or the worst player ever. I didn't say ONE time that this was certainly the case. I said that certainly witching was not the most likely event that occurred last night, and the consort just happens to be the ONLY confirmed one. That does not mean the janitor has been roleblocked. That means, if he chose to act, a roleblock is the most probable outcome. Are we sure there is a jailor? No. Are we sure there is a witch? No. Even if there are, are we sure there aren't any escorts? No. It's as simple as that.
Not only that, Theodore went as far as saying that I want Ralph dead, after I unvoted him several pages ago. That is discrediting me at the Nth power, without even having a solid base to do that.

I had up to 14 people voting for me, getting as high as 13 votes simultaneously. All of this just because Theodore twisted my words in the worst way possible.

Just look at how some people jumped on me. Timothy jumped on the bandwagon without even bothering to give an explanation. Steve did just the same. Delores did the same as well, but at least she had the common sense to unvote before it was too late. Ralph voted on me "because it's fair since I voted him". Are you serious?

Anyone who believed Theodore's case against me is a bad guy or a complete noob. Other people at least tried to fake it, saying it was a pressure vote. Mind, I don't believe all of you.
There have been some who voted, calling a pressure vote, and then fading into darkness, like Yolanda and Timothy.
Phillip made one post about it and then disappeared.

And after all this, I still have to understand how Roger being roleblocked is bad for me. Theodore did never explain it, even if he said he did.

I'm not even sure where to start with the questioning. I'm pretty sure Steve, Phillip and Timothy are some of the worst scum in this town. Among those, Steve voted for me when the wave was at its peak. Why would you do that and then go away is beyond me, if you are town.

-vote Steve

All the others, you better get your ass here, you will be next.

[Alan]

Ok, what the fuck is up with this bandwagon. Let me know that I find each and everyone of you suspicious as fuck for voting for that dumb reason, especially the one that voted when the vote count was high or without giving a reason, and halfway through the first half of the day.
There are a few that saves themselves like Janet and Delores (to a lesser extent since he didn't explained his vote in the first place) who unvoted, but not many others. Also I find really suspicious that two of you misvoted, it's seems to me that you're following whatever Theodore says without even reading the thread. I'm the only one that feels like that?

Pressure vote is just bullshit. You need to ASK people things. If they don't reply, then you can pressure with a few votes, but you don't vote to 14 or whatever the vote count is without even getting an answer from the accused. It's just dumb.

I'm not voting Yvette, what he/she said about Ralph is correct. And that's the way you do it, you ask, you pressure votes and when you see it doesn't help you unvote. That's how a town should play, not jumping on shitty bandwagons.

[Alan]

And you're all lazy as fuck too.

Ralph (1) – Elizabeth
Nina (1) – Thomas
Yvette (12) – Patrick, Theodore, Ralph, Timothy, Rosenberg, Thelma, Phillip, Roger, Yolanda, Velma, Steve, Faye
Steve (1) - Yvette

[Velma]

I'm jumping on what I said earlier about Roger and his scummy posts.

-vote Roger

Ralph (1) – Elizabeth
Nina (1) – Thomas
Yvette (12) – Patrick, Theodore, Ralph, Timothy, Rosenberg, Thelma, Phillip, Roger, Yolanda, Steve, Faye
Steve (1) - Yvette
Roger (1) - Velma

[Janet]

I'm still processing the defense. In general I am more liable to believe Yvette to be less likely a scum now. I do think that at the least his post was worded such that even if he didn't think himself to be lying, the post can be read that way very easily. Theodore didn't really have to do very much work at all to get that interpretation out of it. I was a little concerned at first Alan might be defending him for faction reasons. But it appears there was tension earlier between them so I will take his reasoning at face value.





And I am already seeing two people on his defense, am I correct?

If you're talking about me, it's really sad how you twist people words on the beginning of day2. What I said is very clear and can't be interpreted in other ways.

Theodore: yes, it was FM3.

[Janet]

Is it more likely that a town would accuse others to distract from himself or that a scum would?

[Phillip]

Your defense was exactly what the pressure vote was for. :).

Honestly I don't know what to make of it because as much sense as you ARE making, you're also randomly accusing myself and a few others for little reason and that is scummy to me. In fact his whole post seems a lot more defensive(even though a defense was warranted) than it should be.


Anyways as town our best tool is the vote, and you were scummy at the time so I used my power accordingly.

unvote Yvette

Ralph (1) – Elizabeth
Nina (1) – Thomas
Yvette (11) – Patrick, Theodore, Ralph, Timothy, Rosenberg, Thelma, Roger, Yolanda, Steve, Faye
Steve (1) - Yvette
Roger (1) - Velma

Lastly Ralph seems scummy to me but I'd like to hear more discussion before I make another vote.

[Alan]

I was a little concerned at first Alan might be defending him for faction reasons.

I'm blaming the bandwagon mostly. And the accusation was weak, you can read that by yourself.

[Patrick]

So I am torn here. On the one hand Roger says he was roleblocked and wants to help us with that info. This seems to be a pro town move 100%.

On the other hand he makes a post with a huge scum tell meant to stop the vote that has gotten us more information than we had previously. I checked his post history and it is all joking nonsense bullshit except for his roleblock claim.

For the time being
unvote Yvette

I am not sure why he would false RB claim, regardless I am not as sure as I was before that he is scum. I can not dismiss his anti lynch statement that he made earlier, it simply stands out too much.

I want to hear more from Roger about his post and anything else he can tell us.
vote Roger