S-FM 104: The Matrix

[Titus]

Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/21765-S-FM-The-Matrix)

Alive Players

1) eliZa
2) Boss
3) AppleyNo
4) Varsoon
5) Sen
6) Damus_Graves
7) SuperJack
8) sc2reboot Powerofdeath
9) Slaol

Dead Players
Citizen Sen - killed by the Mafia N1
Mafioso - Damus_Graves - lynched by an angry mob D2
Detective Varsoon - killed by the Mafia N2
Modkilled Players
Slaol - Citizen with Autovest turned Neutral Survivor
sc2reboot - Citizen (glitch in manual)

It is now Day 3.

A few questions have been asked regarding the setup. So I have inserted the possibilities below.

Setup possibilities

Row 1) Jailor with six citizens and two mafiosos
Row 2) Sheriff, Doctor with five citizens and consort with mafioso
Row 3) Citizen with auto vest, Detective, with five citizens and two mafiosos.
Column 1) Jailor, citizen with autovest, five citizens and consort with mafioso.
Column 2) Sheriff with six citizens and two mafiosos
Column 3) Doctor, Detective with five citizens and two mafiosos

[AppleyNO]

:O I was told to post.

Post.

[Damus_Graves]

What is love

[Sen]

This is now a Spiderman thread.
Hi.

[AppleyNO]

Question about the set-up

So assuming you picked "2", there would be a Consort, Sheriff, Doctor in the game, correct? If so, the rest of the slots would have citizens and a mafioso, correct?

[Titus]

Question about the set-up

So assuming you picked "2", there would be a Consort, Sheriff, Doctor in the game, correct? If so, the rest of the slots would have citizens and a mafioso, correct?

Yes.

[Voss]

hello guys. this is my second s-fm ever. so sorry if i don't fit the meta.

(yes, i've played the big fms, but i'm not sure if they're played the same way)

keep in mind.

[Voss]

sen

test vote.

[Voss]

hm.

[Damus_Graves]

Lool

[SuperJack]

I have a role :)

[Varsoon]

I haven't played on this site yet, so allow some leverage with me if I'm a bit foreign.
Super Jack, why would you say that you have a role like that?
Boss, purpose of your test vote/unvote?

[Voss]

to make sure it worked. it broke? i think in the last big FM.
didn't want any problems like that.
oohh varsoon's completely new.

and i request doctor to not be on me tonight. i'm going on alert =D

[Damus_Graves]

to make sure it worked. it broke? i think in the last big FM.
didn't want any problems like that.
oohh varsoon's completely new.

and i request doctor to not be on me tonight. i'm going on alert =D

-_-

[Slaol]

:O I was told to post.

Post.

Me too. At work, will be back later.

[Sen]

I shouldn't be awake. Be back in a few hours when the rest are done with work and stuff.
eliZa
//Welcome, Varsoon.

[AppleyNO]

Whoever rolled the power role will just about know what the set-up looks like then :D

[Damus_Graves]

Speculate?

[AppleyNO]

Speculate?

A Consort would know the set-up, and the pairings of town PRs are too OP.

I think we are looking at a B or C set-up.

[Voss]

i think its okay to say this:
host said that the power roles were randomized. it wasn't chosen.

and a consort would know the setup between 2 possible setups.

[eliZa]

Hello all.
I am glad I made it in the game since the signups were so full.

From my understanding the setup is either A, B, C or 1, 2, 3. There is yet some mystery even for those of us with more knowledge of the setup than the average citizen. I wonder why AppleyNO thinks it has to be B or C.

I will retire now. A glhf to all.

[AppleyNO]

Hello all.
I am glad I made it in the game since the signups were so full.

From my understanding the setup is either A, B, C or 1, 2, 3. There is yet some mystery even for those of us with more knowledge of the setup than the average citizen. I wonder why AppleyNO thinks it has to be B or C.

I will retire now. A glhf to all.
I approached it from a balance standpoint :P

[Titus]

Each row or column is equally likely and balanced. I will post the six setups when I get home.

[Damus_Graves]

Setup is a minor thing. All about that post analysus

[SuperJack]

Well, I have no idea what the setup can be :/ Guess we gotta wait and find out ^_^

[AppleyNO]

Setup is a minor thing. All about that post analysus
^^

[Damus_Graves]

Also Incoming Gambit: Varsoon is scum

[powerofdeath]

Hello everyone

Do citizen with autovest know he have an autovest?
Do citizen with vest know if he get attacked?
If jailor get killed at night, will his execution be successful?
Do victim know if he is healed and attacked
Do captive know if he is attacked?

[Titus]

Hello everyone

Do citizen with autovest know he have an autovest?
Do citizen with vest know if he get attacked?
If jailor get killed at night, will his execution be successful?
Do victim know if he is healed and attacked
Do captive know if he is attacked?




Answers to PoD's questions

1) Yes, citizen with autovest is aware.
2) Yes, citizen with autovest is notified if their vest is used.
3) No, see the order of operations. Mafia kill comes first.
4) No, only the doctor is notified if someone is attacked and healed. See the doctor rolecard.
5) No, the jailor's captive does not know if he was attacked.


Setup possibilities

Row 1) Jailor with six citizens and two mafiosos
Row 2) Sheriff, Doctor with five citizens and consort with mafioso
Row 3) Citizen with auto vest, Detective, with five citizens and two mafiosos.
Column 1) Jailor, citizen with autovest, five citizens and consort with mafioso.
Column 2) Sheriff with six citizens and two mafiosos
Column 3) Doctor, Detective with five citizens and two mafiosos

One of these six is the setup. They were all equally likely to be rolled. This will be edited into the first post.

[SuperJack]

I wouldn'y mind Column 1.

[SuperJack]

Just Citting here. Not doing much :/

skip

[Damus_Graves]

Lol Superjack. Interesting.

[Slaol]

Wait. One of the columns is the power roles? And the others are fake?

So we either have

Mafioso
Mafioso
Jailor
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

or

Consort
Mafioso
Sheriff
Doctor
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit

or

Mafioso
Mafioso
Super Cit
Detective
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit

?

Yes?

[AppleyNO]

@Slaol

No, those are half of the possible role lists. We also could have:

Consort
Mafioso
Jailor
Super Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafioso
Mafioso
Sheriff
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mafioso
Mafioso
Doctor
Detective
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

[Titus]

Wait. One of the columns is the power roles? And the others are fake?

So we either have

Mafioso
Mafioso
Jailor
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

or

Consort
Mafioso
Sheriff
Doctor
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit

or

Mafioso
Mafioso
Super Cit
Detective
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit
Cit

?

Yes?

No. The six possible options for the setup are at the start of the first page and in my post above you. 5 of the setup possibilities are not in the game, one is.

[Slaol]

Setup possibilities

Row 1) Jailor with six citizens and two mafiosos
Row 2) Sheriff, Doctor with five citizens and consort with mafioso
Row 3) Citizen with auto vest, Detective, with five citizens and two mafiosos.
Column 1) Jailor, citizen with autovest, five citizens and consort with mafioso.
Column 2) Sheriff with six citizens and two mafiosos
Column 3) Doctor, Detective with five citizens and two mafiosos

This was helpful.

Anyway.
Thoughts
If there is a Jailor and or a Consort it will tell us a lot about the setup. However, we will have to wait until tomorrow.

I would like to suggest a plan.
If there is a Citizen with the Autovest he should claim now.
I doubt the Mafia will waste a kill on you after doing this, and while this would surrender the possibility of them doing so, it would effectively confirm you as Town, and give us a slightly indestructible and nearly fully confirmed Town person.

If a Sheriff and Doctor exist one could accuse the Autovest claimer, knowing it was impossible.
If a Jailor is afoot they can not waste a Jail on you, but possibly get a good jailing off surrounding a more helpful day.
If a Detective is around they can not waste a Track on you, enchancing the chances of finding a Mafioso. (Which would be 1/9

Then tomorrow 2 things could happen.
1: No Role block feedback. Detective is confirmed, wait for leads and scum hunt off of day 1.
2: Role block feedback. Jailor is confirmed, DO NOT CLAIM JAILED, wait for the Jailor to do this in an accusing form, as well as to confirm himself.

/thoughts?

[Slaol]

Also, for now.
AppleyNO

[Slaol]

Also, host- Thank you for not letting Titus sign in your game. She is the bane of my existence in FMs.

[Titus]

Also, host- Thank you for not letting Titus sign in your game. She is the bane of my existence in FMs.

I'm laughing with steam coming out of my ears.

[Sen]

Then tomorrow 2 things could happen.
1: No Role block feedback. Detective is confirmed, wait for leads and scum hunt off of day 1.
2: Role block feedback. Jailor is confirmed, DO NOT CLAIM JAILED, wait for the Jailor to do this in an accusing form, as well as to confirm himself.
/thoughts?

1: Wrong. No role block feedback doesn't confirm a detective. 1, 3, B & C have no consort. And even if the selected setup is 2 or A, the consort might not block someone n1 to make us thing otherway.

2: Again. Someone being roleblocked doesn't imply a jailor. It can also mean there's a sheriff and a doctor (2).

I think everyone should come clean about any night events that happened to them.

The best we could hope for is 2, since that's the only setup which allows the TPR to call out scum without dying the night after. Any other setup will make it hard for the TPR, since calling out a scum will result in the TPR dying, and remaining silent could result in Town losing, since there are no last wills.

[Slaol]

1: Wrong.

Read the entire post next time?

[Sen]

Meh. My brain doesn't work for like the next hour after I wake up.

Anyway. A bad thing with your plan is that if someone claims auto-vest cit and the Sheriff calls bs, we could be screwed if there's not a doctor to protect him (B).

Either 2 or C (I missed the doc in that one in my last post) would be the best for us.

[Titus]

A reminder from your friendly neighborhood ghost. About half the day has been scared away.

[Slaol]

Meh. My brain doesn't work for like the next hour after I wake up.

Anyway. A bad thing with your plan is that if someone claims auto-vest cit and the Sheriff calls bs, we could be screwed if there's not a doctor to protect him (B).

Either 2 or C (I missed the doc in that one in my last post) would be the best for us.

Only a scum would claim the Autovest. 1 for 1 is not a bad ratio for a power role. As well as leaving us with a 6 vs. 1 scenario beyond it.
As well as the possibility of a Doctor.

[Slaol]

Only a scum would claim the Autovest.

Clarification: only a scum would claim the autovest in the scenario that a sheriff CC'd and accused the Autovest claimer.

[Slaol]

A reminder from your friendly neighborhood ghost. About half the day has been scared away.

Why you no allow lynches on day 1?

[Slaol]

Fact 1 about Mafia
- allowing lynches on day 1 will increase day 1 activity

Fact 2 about Mafia
- day 1 is most important day if lynching and pressure can make it so

[Sen]

Fair enough. Let's do it, then.


@Slaol: We can lynch: «7) The game starts at day with an optional lynch.»

What boggles me is the non-existen RVS stage on this game. I think only we have placed a vote on someone.

[Slaol]

We can lynch?

Fuck.

Host that is awesome for not including Titus, but is clearly not Titus.... TURN ON LYNCH!!!! FUCK!

[Slaol]

RVS

0.o

[Sen]

RVS: Random voting stage.
Only the two of us have voted someone, and it's been over half of the day.

The future doesn't look too bright when townies start by doing something that only benefits scum.

Also, this is what I think of skipping a day (especially d1) in a setup that could easily turn into a mountainous one: SuperJack

[powerofdeath]

Alright peeps.

We don't know if we have a jailor. We could not lynch today and tomorrow morning we will see if anybody claimed jailed. That way we could rely on the jailor instead of lynching. It will also give us info that if we have no jailor, we must rely completely on lynching.

[Slaol]

People dont random vote when the vote wont lynch someone lol.

anyway, i have to sleep now. work in 6 hours. ill be able to check in in the morning though

goodnight my sweet sweet host

[Sen]

Alright peeps.

We don't know if we have a jailor. We could not lynch today and tomorrow morning we will see if anybody claimed jailed. That way we could rely on the jailor instead of lynching. It will also give us info that if we have no jailor, we must rely completely on lynching.

Why on earth would we leave all the power in the hands of a jailor?
Hell, then let's just skip every single day and hope that the jailor gets both scum with his two executions.

And since there would be no lynching or discussion, we might as well make an algorithm which randoms night actions for all the PRs and gives us a result right now.

This is a terrible suggestion and I can't see any townie interest behind it.

[Voss]

Why on earth would we leave all the power in the hands of a jailor?
Hell, then let's just skip every single day and hope that the jailor gets both scum with his two executions.

And since there would be no lynching or discussion, we might as well make an algorithm which randoms night actions for all the PRs and gives us a result right now.

This is a terrible suggestion and I can't see any townie interest behind it.

He clearly said only today.
No lynch to get some sell information. Only one no lynch.

[Sen]

He clearly said only today.
No lynch to get some sell information. Only one no lynch.

No, he said: «we could rely on the jailor instead of lynching.»

If there's a jailor, he would be a possible extra kill for the Town, not something to use instead of lynching as that statement suggests.

[Voss]

okay powerofdeath, do you mean just today? or everyday?

[Slaol]

God this thread is dead.

Host, stop freaking using no lynch day 1s. They are crap.

Anyway, I was hoping to come back to something, but instead there is nothing.

Off to work, and I won't be back until the day ends.

[Voss]

but we can lynch today...

[Slaol]

but we can lynch today...

What is the hammer number? I don't see it posted. I tend to assume this means no lynch.

Furthermore, it appears everyone else generally has the same idea I do, and is lurking to victory.

[Slaol]

Anyway, AppleyNO is scum. Please lynch him.

[Slaol]

but we can lynch today...

Also, start fucking using your right to vote you unamerican bastard.
If we can lynch then use the weapon!!!!!!

[Sen]

Same. I'll leave in a couple of hours a nobody is doing a thing.

Given how slow this game is going, I'll advocate for policy lynching lurkers and inactive players.

The setup says there's an optional lynch. I guess Titus forgot to type the command to add the required votes.

Why do you think Appley is scum?
I'd rather get SuperJack for trying to skip d1. Seriously. Who does that?

[Voss]

first off. i am American. just visiting =P
second. its rule #7. day starts with optional lynch.
third at your command:
AppleyNO

just a pressure vote, but i'm watching the thread so it doesn't go too high.
@second sen's question.
and i want power of death's answer.

[Sen]

If it was a geniune mistake by the players and they're just lurking because they think it's a no lynch day, I'd like to ask Titus if it'd be possible to give an extra 24 hours to d1, just to make up for the no lynch confusion.

Day is ending in five hours or so, and d1 is fucking important. We can't afford to waste it because of a misunderstanding with the vote counter.

[Voss]

seems like lurkers get replaced. hope that doesn't affect a possible jailer night action...

[Sen]

AppleyNO
Again. I'd rather have a train on SuperJack, but given that the only active players seem to be on Appley, I guess I'll just sheep your vote.

Appley is at L-2 right now. No neutrals in this setup, so we can move him up to L-1 without problems. Also, lynching does not en the day. Just saying.

[Sen]

Omg. I just noticed that this setup is using sc2mafia's version of the jailor. wtf, Titus? That entirely breaks the balance of the combinations which involve a jailor.

[Titus]

If it was a geniune mistake by the players and they're just lurking because they think it's a no lynch day, I'd like to ask Titus if it'd be possible to give an extra 24 hours to d1, just to make up for the no lynch confusion.

Day is ending in five hours or so, and d1 is fucking important. We can't afford to waste it because of a misunderstanding with the vote counter.

Denied. The setup is clear that a lynch can happen. I will count by hand. MAJORITY LYNCHES, as usual.

@Sen, I don't feel sc2's version breaks this. That is also clear in the setup.

[Slaol]

Work has wifi. Woot.

Sadly, no time.

Titus, please in the future post the numbers to lynch, regardless of if you count by hand or not. It clarifies to the players when they read the day start post.

[Titus]

Will do. I forgot to set the vote counter, so I'll count by hand today. I figured the lynch was clear because it was in the setup. I suppose that all players read the lynch part and had no questions. All future days will have a lynch counter.

There are approximately four and a half hours in the day. I may not be around right at day close, so don't worry if you go reasonably over. However, if it's five hours after this post, stop posting.

[Sen]

Hm. We'll have to treat this as a mountainous setup with scum possibly having a consort and we possibly having an investigative role. Works for me.

Anyway. I'm disappointed by the lack of interest by many of the players.

If I had to pick a lynch with the little information that was presented today, I'd go for SuperJack. He softclaimed citizen, then tried to skip the day (something only scum or a jailor would want). A jailor wouldn't do something as stupid, which leaves us with the possibility of a bulltproof trying to get hit. Of course, that's unlikely, since if there's a bulletproof, claiming that way would be an entirely anti-townish thing to do, since that pretty much allows scum to target other players, nullifying the chance of the bulletproof ever being attacked, which is its only purpose.

//I'm leaving in around 50 minutes and might not be back before the day ends.

[Voss]

maybe they're sleeping.

[AppleyNO]

Well I'm a Shitizen xD Was that any surprise? :D

Slaol is being aggressive and you guys sheep with him. Meh. I wonder what I did to be targeted?

[Damus_Graves]

That was too easy a claim apples

AppleyNO

[Slaol]

Slaol is being aggressive and you guys sheep with him. Meh. I wonder what I did to be targeted?

Slaol has two modes.
1: Aggressive
2: Lurk

Fun fact, I work with badass women that gave me several hours off this afternoon since I am doing extra work in the morning. Awesome.

[Slaol]

OK. I assume most people have at least read the thread and would have voiced a severe negative opinion to my plan if they were Autovest. The only person to possibly hint to this was Sen. Since no one has done this, I think it is safe to assume 3 and A (or 1 and C?) are NOT the setup.

If we get a role block feedback that will clear up the setup to 2. If there is no role block feedback that harms us in terms of figuring out the setup, but I think it is safe to assume a Sheriff or Detective is present, and possibly a Doctor.

[powerofdeath]

What I meant is that definitely day 1 no lynch. But it should be obvious to everyone that we should never let jailor jail everyday. It just give us a head up that what if on day 4 (just an example doesnt mean we are actually letting the jailor jail that day) that happened to have a no lynch. We could rely on jailor for that day as well.

Do you guys noticed the word COULD in my last post? Doesn't mean we SHOULD.

[powerofdeath]

The day and end time is really awkward for me.
I wake up around 2 or 3 and day end at 2:30. I'm lucky that I woke up at 2 today instead of missing this day.

[Titus]

Boo! The day has ended. It is now Night 1. The chat(s) is/are open.

Night ends and day begins at this time (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=8%2F8%2F2013+12%3A00+PM+PST).

No one was lynched. All future days, even if I forget to post the counter, will be majority lynches. If I forget, vote counts will be done by hand.

[Titus]

Sen has died. He was Citizen.

Day ends in 24 hours from this post.


5

[Voss]

well, i did tell the doctor not to be on me...
any feedbacks? i was neither roleblocked nor jailed.

(/not a lurker)

[AppleyNO]

No feedback.

Damus_Graves
Lets get something started shall we.

[SuperJack]

I was not roleblocked or jailed.

^^ Thank you

[Slaol]

I was not role blocked or jailed either.

I'm at work, but will be spending tonight figuring out who would kill Sen

My vote goes back on Appley Appleyno until he says why he'd vote Damus.

[Voss]

That was too easy a claim apples

AppleyNO

if you can explain what you meant here, please?
What is he supposed to do?

pre-edit: i think slaol, it might be because of this ^^

[Slaol]

What Boss?

[Voss]

I was not role blocked or jailed either.

I'm at work, but will be spending tonight figuring out who would kill Sen

My vote goes back on Appley Appleyno until he says why he'd vote Damus.

Damus voted after the claim, saying it was too easy of a claim. that's what I think his reason might be.

[Slaol]

Well, his unwillingness to go at Damus yesterday would contest this as the reasoning.

I feel it is safe to place Appley as a power role at this time.
I'd say Consort.

[Voss]

Well, his unwillingness to go at Damus yesterday would contest this as the reasoning.

I feel it is safe to place Appley as a power role at this time.
I'd say Consort.

he did say 'consort' a lot yesterday...
do you think mafia would no block to keep town in the dark?

[Slaol]

Yes, since I basically tried to direct them to do it.

In FM 15 I FoS'd AppleyNO as Blastoise the Arsonist because he mentioned Arson too much.

That was a long time ago... But I think the point is valid enough.

[AppleyNO]

until he says why he'd vote Damus.
There is no reason.

[Slaol]

Then why vote?

[Damus_Graves]

I was roleblocked last night T.T

[SuperJack]

Sen was pretty set against me yesterday because I voted to skip.

Honestly, if I really wanted to skip I would of atleast tried to convince other people to skip.

But I know nothing would of come of me voting, hence why I voted to see people reactions.

I feel the Mafia hit Sen, so people would think I hit Sen.

[SuperJack]

I was roleblocked last night T.T

If so, then we have auto-vest citizen and a Jailor tellin his captor to keep quite.
A Sheriff and Doc.

Or your lieing :D

[Damus_Graves]

Does anyone else find it suspicious that SuperJack thinks that Mafia were framing him by killing Sen? I've learned that people who say such things without any justifiable cause are the ones who wind up being scum the most. However, since this is very flimsy evidence in any capacity, I will not be voting for SuperJack. That is this.

[Damus_Graves]

If so, then we have auto-vest citizen and a Jailor tellin his captor to keep quite.
A Sheriff and Doc.

Or your lieing :D

So..what your trying to say is You have no idea what the setup is and just want to seem like your contributing by stating absolutely nothing at all?

[SuperJack]

So..what your trying to say is You have no idea what the setup is and just want to seem like your contributing by stating absolutely nothing at all?

Exactly! :D

I would rarther say what I thought, before some else says things about me and accuse me.

Just saying, if Mafia have a consort, they don't know if we have a Sheriff, or a Jailor.

I hope that if someone in Jail get's attacked, or the Auto-vest Citi, they claim to be healed instead of immune :P

[Damus_Graves]

Exactly! :D

I would rarther say what I thought, before some else says things about me and accuse me.

Just saying, if Mafia have a consort, they don't know if we have a Sheriff, or a Jailor.

I hope that if someone in Jail get's attacked, or the Auto-vest Citi, they claim to be healed instead of immune :P

If you wanna just say whats on your mind give it more meat or else it just looks like shitty active lurking.

[SuperJack]

I would rarther accuse my self, before someone else does it.

[Damus_Graves]

Thats not town actions you know mate.

[Damus_Graves]

Gonna go ahead: SuperJack
For suspicious behavior/choice of words.

[SuperJack]

I don't like you :( I Must of missed the "How to be the perfect Citizen guide book"

[Damus_Graves]

I don't like you :( I Must of missed the "How to be the perfect Citizen guide book"

You are a bit to passive to be believable atm.

[eliZa]

Hello all.

Nothing happened to me last night. Off to bed and I will contribute more tomorrow.
The timezone for this game is poor for me.

[Slaol]

Everyone is too passive.

[Damus_Graves]

Maybe but Citizens in particular should never be this passive. The way has been exampled already lol.

[SuperJack]

I'm English. That's the simple answer. I just tut.

[Damus_Graves]

I'm English. That's the simple answer. I just tut.

Haha.

Fair Point


Yes there was a hidden conversation just now. ;)

[Damus_Graves]

afk now

[powerofdeath]

Sup guys, I was roleblocked. Damus is lying.

Damus_graves

We have an consort in game So it narrow down to 2 possibility set ups.

[SuperJack]

Host error possible?

[Varsoon]

Everyone is too passive.

Ahem.
You're correct, but what's more compelling is how active you are and how you pushed hard on the AppleyNo lynch based on a call for active engagement in the lynch with poor evidence. The exigence can be found in your call to getting a lynch in before the day ends, and all of this gives mafiosos a pretty good wall to hide behind.
Slaol

Sorry for being so inactive. I'm used to playing on another forum, where games are much slower paced.
Also, allow me to confirm that I am a citizen.

[Slaol]

Ahem.
You're correct, but what's more compelling is how active you are and how you pushed hard on the AppleyNo lynch based on a call for active engagement in the lynch with poor evidence. The exigence can be found in your call to getting a lynch in before the day ends, and all of this gives mafiosos a pretty good wall to hide behind.
Slaol

Sorry for being so inactive. I'm used to playing on another forum, where games are much slower paced.
Also, allow me to confirm that I am a citizen.

You can't confirm that you are a Citizen, unless you are possibly claiming the Autovest Citizen.
Varsoon, I suggest you take a breathe before responding to any of my posts. Our loverly host will acknowledge the chinese puzzle box I attach to every letter in every post.

If you want a read on me I suggest asking Damus_Graves.

Other than that, welcome to Sc2 Forum Mafia, please prepare for everything you love about Forum Mafia to be broke and raped, mostly by myself.

[SuperJack]

You ignore the fact of 2 roleblock claims? And target Slaol?

[Slaol]

Also, my push on AppleyNO was based on knowing that Appley is a frequent to drop his own role in his posts when he is scum.

¯\(°_o)/¯

Take that for what you will, but yea.

[Slaol]

You ignore the fact of 2 roleblock claims? And target Slaol?

He is probably reading while posting. He is still viewing.

[SuperJack]

Perhaps one of the roleblock claims is due to a Jailor?

[Slaol]

Sup guys, I was roleblocked. Damus is lying.

Damus_graves

We have an consort in game So it narrow down to 2 possibility set ups.

Damus was only technically role blocked... I'm pretty sure.

just fyi

[Slaol]

Perhaps one of the roleblock claims is due to a Jailor?

Damus' was, I'm 107% sure.

[Slaol]

Yes there was a hidden conversation just now. ;)

I do not currently own one blue jacket.

[Slaol]

-REVEAL AS CITIZEN WITH AUTOVEST!!!!

[Damus_Graves]

Sup guys, I was roleblocked. Damus is lying.

Damus_graves

We have an consort in game So it narrow down to 2 possibility set ups.

Sigh. I understand that you think you found a scum due to the feedback claims but you haven't PoD.
I was fishing but unfortunately you have just ruined that. Thank you.

[Damus_Graves]

I do not currently own one blue jacket.

75 with a half pint of milk.

[Varsoon]

Sup guys, I was roleblocked. Damus is lying.

Damus_graves

We have an consort in game So it narrow down to 2 possibility set ups.


Just caught this.
No you weren't.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the only two setups with a consort are
Row 2) Sheriff, Doctor with five citizens and consort with mafioso.
Column 1) Jailor, citizen with autovest, five citizens and consort with mafioso.
and neither of those include my role.
This makes you look a lot like you're fake-claiming either Jailor or Sheriff/Doctor.

Since I know there can't be a consort in the setup because of my rolecard, I can either divine that you're rolefishing or fake-claiming, both of which aren't particularly pro-town.

powerofdeath


I can confirm that Slaol's claim is likely.

[Slaol]

75 with a half pint of milk.

I need to brain the excitement.

[Slaol]

Cool

Powerofdeath

That worked out.

[Damus_Graves]

Whoa whoa whoa. What? I just got lost. Explain better Varsoon

[Slaol]

Nah, Damus, let the other plebians figure it out.

Short answer is POD is a lying sack of crap.

[SuperJack]

Just caught this.
No you weren't.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the only two setups with a consort are
Row 2) Sheriff, Doctor with five citizens and consort with mafioso.
Column 1) Jailor, citizen with autovest, five citizens and consort with mafioso.
and neither of those include my role.
This makes you look a lot like you're fake-claiming either Jailor or Sheriff/Doctor.

Since I know there can't be a consort in the setup because of my rolecard, I can either divine that you're rolefishing or fake-claiming, both of which aren't particularly pro-town.

powerofdeath


I can confirm that Slaol's claim is likely.

You claim to be detective?

[Varsoon]

No use hiding it.
I'm the Detective.
My night action might not have gone through because I was a spot late getting it in.
At this point, given what I know (which is exclusive info, sadly), is that Slaol either picked that up and is manipulating me, or the claims to being roleblocked are lies.
There's no setup that allows for both a detective and a roleblocking role, though.
There -is- a autovest and detective setup.
That's my explaination.
Twist it against me, mafioso.

[SuperJack]

powerofdeath

[Damus_Graves]

No use hiding it.
I'm the Detective.
My night action might not have gone through because I was a spot late getting it in.
At this point, given what I know (which is exclusive info, sadly), is that Slaol either picked that up and is manipulating me, or the claims to being roleblocked are lies.
There's no setup that allows for both a detective and a roleblocking role, though.
There -is- a autovest and detective setup.
That's my explaination.
Twist it against me, mafioso.

Ok.
Interesting. Lets process this:

Varsoon - Detective
PoD - CC roleblock claim
Damus - Fish'd reactions to roleblocked claim
Slaol - Vested Citizen

Setups included narrow down odds. Tone, implications, timing, instant push.


powerofdeath

[Slaol]

I used my day 1 posts to direct the Mafia into believing one of two things.
1: if they had a Consort we would have a Sheriff/Doctor
2: if they did not, that they would be able to pawn off a Consort.

in option 1 they would claim Sheriff or Doctor
in option 2 they would claim role block feedback

Knowing Damus, his fishing for information is likely. And even if POD is Town we have a good target tomorrow.

*conspiracy theory: they are both mafia*

[Slaol]

And PoD is not here. Just dropped a vote and left.

[Slaol]

I believe AppleyNO to be the other Mafia still, likely doing on day 1 what I was trying to do, but from the Mafia stand point. Seeing as he is not one of the power roles, his actions seemed VERY geared to make us believe one of the Consort setups was the answer. Yet he would have no evidence to support this on day 1.

[Damus_Graves]

Im gonna step away from my computer for like two hours. Have fun mate.

[Varsoon]

I used my day 1 posts to direct the Mafia into believing one of two things.
1: if they had a Consort we would have a Sheriff/Doctor
2: if they did not, that they would be able to pawn off a Consort.

in option 1 they would claim Sheriff or Doctor
in option 2 they would claim role block feedback

Knowing Damus, his fishing for information is likely. And even if POD is Town we have a good target tomorrow.

*conspiracy theory: they are both mafia*


This.
The biggest paranoia I have is that this is all a ruse and I've been duped by you and these fake-claiming guys. It'd be an interesting maneuver to throw your buddy under the bus, but that's the paranoia talking.

[Slaol]

This.
The biggest paranoia I have is that this is all a ruse and I've been duped by you and these fake-claiming guys. It'd be an interesting maneuver to throw your buddy under the bus, but that's the paranoia talking.

Sadly, you will probably be killed, regardless of who is Mafia. You should post thorough reads on the people in game.

[Varsoon]

Actually, what the fuck am I talking about? I'm detective. If you bussed your ally, I could just track you to tonight's kill.
I know I'll probably die tonight regardless, so this is probably just speculation, but, eh.
IF THERE IS A DOCTOR IN THIS SETUP AND I'M BEING FOOLED, PLEASE FUCKING PROTECT ME SO WE CAN WIN.

[Slaol]

Unvoted to stop dat early hammer for Varsoon to get his 'last will' in.
But I wouldn't mind seeing reads from everyone.

I have stated my lead on AppleyNO.

[Slaol]

Actually, what the fuck am I talking about? I'm detective. If you bussed your ally, I could just track you to tonight's kill.
I know I'll probably die tonight regardless, so this is probably just speculation, but, eh.
IF THERE IS A DOCTOR IN THIS SETUP AND I'M BEING FOOLED, PLEASE FUCKING PROTECT ME SO WE CAN WIN.

Such a shame I'm not a Doctor..

[Slaol]

Btw, what info did you get last night?

[Varsoon]

My reads on people are really floaty right now. The ones I'm fixed on is that
Anyone claiming they were roleblocked is a liar, and should be lynched. Power of Death included.
Slaol's play is really making me wonder if (s)he's tricking me. It belies a very controlled approach to the rhetoric of the game and I could see Slaol bussing the fuck out of Power of Death due to PoD's inactivity and for a chance to expose a town power role, like what has just happened. It's likely to work, given how many inactive players we have--there are less people around to counter-claim and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised if this slot flips scum, based on paranoia and a read of the game, but the setup has me convinced Slaol's claim is on the money.

As far as other players, there's always a scum among the active players, in my experience.
Everyone is mostly null, otherwise.
I could be overlooking something, but, cha, that's it.

[Slaol]

Crap read bro. Also, I am a chick.

Anyway, feel free to spend the day reading the others.
No one is going anyway as long as I say so.

[Slaol]

Got a hot date, be back later.

[Varsoon]

Btw, what info did you get last night?

Dunno yet. I sent in my action a bit late, so I might've gotten fuckin' nothin'. Titus has yet to respond to my PM about it, though.
For the record, I followed you, because I saw your actions in D1 as a little sketchy, but they make more sense now.
If you're scum, you're playing far above the level of the people in this game. :3

[Damus_Graves]

Dunno yet. I sent in my action a bit late, so I might've gotten fuckin' nothin'. Titus has yet to respond to my PM about it, though.
For the record, I followed you, because I saw your actions in D1 as a little sketchy, but they make more sense now.
If you're scum, you're playing far above the level of the people in this game. :3

Lol. Im the gambit player mate. Everything I've ever done in every game has been for some unknown reason.

[powerofdeath]

Sup guys
I knew Damus was lying by the way he posted he was roleblocked.
So i tried to make him admit he wasn't roleblocked.
It worked ^.^ but I wasn't trying to rolefishing.
I am citizen
I never got roleblocked.

[Damus_Graves]

Sup guys
I knew Damus was lying by the way he posted he was roleblocked.
So i tried to make him admit he wasn't roleblocked.
It worked ^.^ but I wasn't trying to rolefishing.
I am citizen
I never got roleblocked.

Moron. This is classical scum backtracking.

[Damus_Graves]

K leaving now. BBYE!

[Titus]

Host error possible?

Host error did not occur last night. Logically, I cannot confirm or deny anything about the players and what they've said they have done/will do.

[Damus_Graves]

Hi my adventure didnt take long but league is about to be a thing

[Varsoon]

1) eliZa - Intro post is passible and inquisitive. Dodgy and ordinary useless.
2) Boss - I wish this was Bauss. Grammar doesn't fit, though. Anyway, thoughtful introduction and response to my pressure. The request for nodoc is interesting to say the least.
3) AppleyNo - Instant setup speculation, which is awkward. More awk was the balance standpoint, which is moot due to randomization. 74 is actually pretty solid wagon analysis. Could use more articulation, but this -is- my kneejerk reaction to the AppleyNo wagon.
4) Varsoon - Town Detective.
5) Sen - Not a fan of his early play being joking/distancing from the game. Early Eliza vote is bad. Interaction between Sen and others on confirming the setup puts Sen as a little more town for me. 65 is GOOD TOWN. 67 IS BAD, BAAAD, but makes sense from a townie perspective near end of day, BUT BAD SHEEP. Sen is then killed and flips town, so I guess I was right on this one.
6) Damus_Graves - Not a fan of his early play being joking/distancing from the game. Seems to be rolefishing in response to AppleyNo. Don't know what the fuck his 27 is other than maybe an attempt at a quick-lynch based on my activity? DO YOU KNOW ME, DAMUS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF IN THE REALM OF GAMBITRY? I KNOW GAMBITS BETTER THAN ALL'A YOU, I WAS RAISED IN NEW ORLEANS. I don't like how much he disengages with the game in posts like 32. Also, his Appley vote is all sorts of wrong in post 75. AND FUCK POST 94, THERE ARE NO ROLEBLOCKING ROLES IN THE SETUP. SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU WERE BLOCKED, SUPERJACK SPECULATES ON IT, AND YOU IMMEDIATELY TRY TO HANG HIM UP FOR IT, WITHOUT A VOTE AS IF TO SAY "HEY TOWN IS IT OKAY TO MISLYNCH THIS NERD?," YOU ARE BEING SUPER SCUMMY. THE LATE VOTE AFTER THE INTERACTION IS BAD SO BAD SO BAD ITS TOO BAD, ITS STUPID TOO LATE, SO WRONG, AND SO LONG.
7) SuperJack - The I have a Role line is nice, because it gives some springboard discussion, but it could be a vanilla role, so it's a rather empty sentence in its conception. Seems to be playing the innocent/noob card a bit in 25.
8) Powerofdeath - Intro questions about setup are awkward for the same reasons as the earlier ones in-thread, but aren't hounded as much as the earlier ones. Hm. 52 seems to be really buddying the other players with suggested plans of action and rhetoric used to imply comradarie. AND WHAT THE FUCK WHY POST 112, NOW THIS IS BUSSING. Recent backtracking and back and forth suggest a cross-bus.
9) Slaol - Already went over this. Seems really methodical and town, which could be a really damn good scum play. We've only got 9 slots, so if Slaol gets the win, she deserves it from the shitlords in this game--regardless of alignment. 58 is so right, but could be so read as pushing a mislynch. But, generally, SO RIGHT. I also work with badass women, but I'm terrified to fall for them. They probably don't want to be involved with guys in the same degree program (we're all GTAs).

This is written in active reading of the game, so this represents a cognitive mapping of the game from me.
Adios, I'm probably gonna die tonight if I'm not kept around for reasons of WIFOM.
Titus got back to me and my too-late-night-action didn't go through. Sorry, no track info on Slaol.
/shrug.
I hope I don't die a useless death.

[Varsoon]

My List of most town to most scum is as follows:


Sen - Varsoon - Slaol - SuperJack - Boss - AppleyNo - Eliza - Slaol - PowerofDeath - Damus Graves.

Slaol's there twice because WILDCAAAARD~
PoD and Damus have got to go. Correct scum play on their part is to not kill me since it confirms setup and helps town more than keeping me alive does. But they're dumbscum, and it's obvious that they're crossbussing with the schoolgirlish pratting going on in here--I don't for one second buy the counter-claim to the fake-claim to expose it as a fake-claim. It gives the other player town allowance while simultaneously being capable of bussing them hard/distancing from them. Not cool. If PoD and Damus aren't scum buddies, they both made really dumb plays that're gonna cripple town, which is pretty much worth a lynch LOL DID THE CLAIMED DETECTIVE ADVOCATE A POLICY LYNCH WHO EVEN CARES THERE IS EVIDENCE TOO FUCK

[powerofdeath]

My next post will get me lynched because that is all I'm going to say.

[powerofdeath]

lol

[powerofdeath]

Oh btw in a few hours or so, Ill be home and contribute.

[SuperJack]

Why is Sen first? :D

[powerofdeath]

Why is Sen first? :D

Cuz hes a badass that's why

[powerofdeath]

Holy shit, just realized Varsoon's avatar is bald.

[Varsoon]

Holy shit, just realized Varsoon's avatar is bald.

Fellow user with a Cat Avatar like me, I feel bad for pushing your lynch over my top scum candidate's.

Damus_Graves

Sen is most town because he's mod-confirmed in-thread as town, which makes him townier than I am, because I'm mod-confirmed in-PM. :P

[Damus_Graves]

Fellow user with a Cat Avatar like me, I feel bad for pushing your lynch over my top scum candidate's.

Damus_Graves

Sen is most town because he's mod-confirmed in-thread as town, which makes him townier than I am, because I'm mod-confirmed in-PM. :P

Thats really funny. You have a high opinion of yourself mate and show'd a tendency to not fully read the chat. Until you present an actual case for my lynch I'm just gonna Lol at your vote.

I wasn't rolefishing. I was reactionfishing. There is a difference :)

[Varsoon]

@Damus: Did you miss the part where my entire reads-list was made while re-reading the whole game?
I'm glad that you attacked my character and deflected my accusation instead of attacking my argument or providing a more rhetorically sound one in response.
Lol at my vote all the way to the grave, scum.

[Damus_Graves]

Vote on Superjack: Made due to very scummy choice of words and PoV speech. Retracted upon clarification.
Vote on PoD: Backtracking over himself in a very weak attempt to clear his name. Said he lied about being roleblocked because of trying to say I was just out and out lying with no reason of being roleblocked. Very liner play and highly anti-town.
Varsoon's Vote on Me: This guy doesn't play like I like to see people play. Must lynch him.

[Damus_Graves]

@Damus: Did you miss the part where my entire reads-list was made while re-reading the whole game?
I'm glad that you attacked my character and deflected my accusation instead of attacking my argument or providing a more rhetorically sound one in response.
Lol at my vote all the way to the grave, scum.

K lol. Your read on me is very bad anyways half of it was you don't know me faggot im from nawleans.

[Damus_Graves]

Another match on league is coming up. BRB

[Varsoon]

@Damus: That's a nice misrep of my case on you, by the by. I also am pretty sure I never called anyone a faggot in my reference/throwaway joke about Gambit from the X-Men.
Here's the entirety of my case, by the by, on you:
Not a fan of his early play being joking/distancing from the game. Seems to be rolefishing in response to AppleyNo. Don't know what the fuck his 27 is other than maybe an attempt at a quick-lynch based on my activity? DO YOU KNOW ME, DAMUS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF IN THE REALM OF GAMBITRY? I KNOW GAMBITS BETTER THAN ALL'A YOU, I WAS RAISED IN NEW ORLEANS. I don't like how much he disengages with the game in posts like 32. Also, his Appley vote is all sorts of wrong in post 75. AND FUCK POST 94, THERE ARE NO ROLEBLOCKING ROLES IN THE SETUP. SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU WERE BLOCKED, SUPERJACK SPECULATES ON IT, AND YOU IMMEDIATELY TRY TO HANG HIM UP FOR IT, WITHOUT A VOTE AS IF TO SAY "HEY TOWN IS IT OKAY TO MISLYNCH THIS NERD?," YOU ARE BEING SUPER SCUMMY. THE LATE VOTE AFTER THE INTERACTION IS BAD SO BAD SO BAD ITS TOO BAD, ITS STUPID TOO LATE, SO WRONG, AND SO LONG.
PoD and Damus have got to go. Correct scum play on their part is to not kill me since it confirms setup and helps town more than keeping me alive does. But they're dumbscum, and it's obvious that they're crossbussing with the schoolgirlish pratting going on in here--I don't for one second buy the counter-claim to the fake-claim to expose it as a fake-claim. It gives the other player town allowance while simultaneously being capable of bussing them hard/distancing from them. Not cool. If PoD and Damus aren't scum buddies, they both made really dumb plays that're gonna cripple town, which is pretty much worth a lynch LOL DID THE CLAIMED DETECTIVE ADVOCATE A POLICY LYNCH WHO EVEN CARES THERE IS EVIDENCE TOO FUCK

It's approx. 300 words long, with the first post in my reads-list being about 175. My throwaway joke about Gambit and my nickelback reference take up 47 words, and the Gambit aside is only 31. 31 words is not half of 175, and, rhetorically, that's not half of my argument either. Your hyperbole falls short here, and, logically, you're making a mistake of trying to make an assault based in enthymeme rather than attacking my Logos.

You claimed to be roleblocked in a setup where I have exclusive information that there are no roleblocking roles.
Your claim towards roleblocking by and large was made in a way that was deceptive towards town and could potentially expose roles--just like it just has with my own role.
Your distancing and disengaging from the game is not very town motivated in that it doesn't provide new information but makes you seem like an active player.
Your actions in this game have mostly been reactionary, in both how you vote and how you engage with what other players deem appropriate town behavior. You test the waters far too much to be playing an absurd gambit. It's more likely that you're scum hiding behind that transparent attempt at deflection of my case on you. "I was just pretending to be scumtarded" is not a defense. Try again.
In response to my logically forwarded case on you, the most relevant and expanded upon case in this game so far, you've assaulted my character in an attempt to call my logic into question, but your jabs are transparent and weak. You simply say my actions are 'bad', but don't articulate why, and your analysis of my votes is largely inflammatory, calling them "anti-town" rather than establishing -why- they are anti-town. An interesting point is that you seem to be giving me town-credit for how I handled my first vote, but my others--which are on players who I can confirm as liars via exclusive info coupled with analysis of their play, you really try to attack me over. The funniest thing is that you analyze my vote on you as one of not understanding your play, which is hilarious as a misrepresentation of my arguments, because it simultaneously alienates you from the playerbase while failing to address the points I've made against you by broadly sweeping them aside.

Please, continue to try to deflect my case between your games. I hope you're carrying on League, because you're not doing so well on this battleground, summoner.

[Titus]

Please do not use faggot as an insult, even if it was a joke.

[Varsoon]

@Titus: Oh, I'm not one for censorship, but it's definitely a policy I can agree with on this site. I've played games before where scummy players have attempted to change a logical argument against play into one that could be interpreted as against a player. It's not so different from what Damus is doing here. My argument is simultaneously being misrepresented and brushed aside as one that's steeped in player-based insult. I encourage scum-Damus to continue such weak play, since it further damns him/her. This is exactly what I meant when I referenced Damus' disengagement from earlier. (S)he's waving aside my argument, as if it's not even logically sound and is instead an assault on character.

[Damus_Graves]

Lol is all I have to say. Try reading the posts mate.

[Damus_Graves]

@Titus: Oh, I'm not one for censorship, but it's definitely a policy I can agree with on this site. I've played games before where scummy players have attempted to change a logical argument against play into one that could be interpreted as against a player. It's not so different from what Damus is doing here. My argument is simultaneously being misrepresented and brushed aside as one that's steeped in player-based insult. I encourage scum-Damus to continue such weak play, since it further damns him/her. This is exactly what I meant when I referenced Damus' disengagement from earlier. (S)he's waving aside my argument, as if it's not even logically sound and is instead an assault on character.

Yes I am insulting your play here. Its rather bad.

[Varsoon]

I have nothing else to add. When you wont engage your fellow player as an intellectual when they raise several points against you and even take the time to lay them out in an accessible manner--well, I'm forced to assume that you're avoiding them for a purpose. There's no town motivation to simply say "No, lol, your play is bad, I am insulting you." By my analysis, it's clear that I have read the posts.

If you are town, your play at this point is contrary to your role, and goes against survival without giving town new information.
If you're scum, you're stalling and trying to deviate from my case against you with insults, noise, and deflection.

Your slot gets lynched.
You lose.

[Damus_Graves]

I have nothing else to add. When you wont engage your fellow player as an intellectual when they raise several points against you and even take the time to lay them out in an accessible manner--well, I'm forced to assume that you're avoiding them for a purpose. There's no town motivation to simply say "No, lol, your play is bad, I am insulting you." By my analysis, it's clear that I have read the posts.

If you are town, your play at this point is contrary to your role, and goes against survival without giving town new information.
If you're scum, you're stalling and trying to deviate from my case against you with insults, noise, and deflection.

Your slot gets lynched.
You lose.

K. If you say so.

If you really want to be shown false please step by step your reads instead of cramming them all into one hideous paragraph with half assed joke right smack in the middle.

[Damus_Graves]

Actually. I'll save you the effort.


Claim: I am Mafia, Consort Edition.

GGnoRE Varsoon. :D

[Varsoon]

It’s okay, my friend. You’ve lost the game, and not as either alignment, but as a player, because your approach failed to engage mine in several ways and the rhetoric that I’ve employed is articulated and compelling. I don’t blame you for being a little caboose clobbered, if you know what I mean. After the argument I made, I could see being bum blasted like you were. I hope that you’re not so anally anguished in League, although that is typical of the playerbase. Please, at least attempt to counter my argument, because right now you just come off as pooper peeved, y’know? I’d love the opportunity to cut down your weak rhetoric once again, and leave you utterly sphincter smashed. You’ve been totally colon crucified and it’s only a matter of time until the rest of the town stumbles back into this game and lynches you, you rump roasted, crapper cremated, backdoor bombarded, fanny flabbergasted, posterior pummeled scum.

Aw man, I typed all that out before you claimed and then F5'd it.

:3 It was a pleasure.
If you're actually town, I will hunt you down and kick you in the shins.

[Damus_Graves]

It’s okay, my friend. You’ve lost the game, and not as either alignment, but as a player, because your approach failed to engage mine in several ways and the rhetoric that I’ve employed is articulated and compelling. I don’t blame you for being a little caboose clobbered, if you know what I mean. After the argument I made, I could see being bum blasted like you were. I hope that you’re not so anally anguished in League, although that is typical of the playerbase. Please, at least attempt to counter my argument, because right now you just come off as pooper peeved, y’know? I’d love the opportunity to cut down your weak rhetoric once again, and leave you utterly sphincter smashed. You’ve been totally colon crucified and it’s only a matter of time until the rest of the town stumbles back into this game and lynches you, you rump roasted, crapper cremated, backdoor bombarded, fanny flabbergasted, posterior pummeled scum.

Aw man, I typed all that out before you claimed and then F5'd it.

:3 It was a pleasure.
If you're actually town, I will hunt you down and kick you in the shins.

I feel very disappointed that you think this is your victory.

[Varsoon]

Damus, they say that Jesus will forgive you for your shins.
But there will be no shins left when I'm done with you if you flip town.

I won't take all the credit. You did half the work for me. :3

[Damus_Graves]

Damus, they say that Jesus will forgive you for your shins.
But there will be no shins left when I'm done with you if you flip town.

I won't take all the credit. You did half the work for me. :3

Forgive me for not being entertained with the fact that you think you understand things. I shall explain for you however in case you don't get it yet.

[SuperJack]

Damus_Graves

[Varsoon]

Feel free to explain, Damus.

[Damus_Graves]

Feel free to explain, Damus.

I will. Im drafting the explanation as we speak.

I'd like to say that I don't think your play is bad nor that you are a bad player. And excuses are not a thing I like to do so I wont talk about those :p

[Damus_Graves]

@Damus: That's a nice misrep of my case on you, by the by. I also am pretty sure I never called anyone a faggot in my reference/throwaway joke about Gambit from the X-Men.
Here's the entirety of my case, by the by, on you:
Not a fan of his early play being joking/distancing from the game. Seems to be rolefishing in response to AppleyNo. Don't know what the fuck his 27 is other than maybe an attempt at a quick-lynch based on my activity? DO YOU KNOW ME, DAMUS? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I AM CAPABLE OF IN THE REALM OF GAMBITRY? I KNOW GAMBITS BETTER THAN ALL'A YOU, I WAS RAISED IN NEW ORLEANS. I don't like how much he disengages with the game in posts like 32. Also, his Appley vote is all sorts of wrong in post 75. AND FUCK POST 94, THERE ARE NO ROLEBLOCKING ROLES IN THE SETUP. SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU WERE BLOCKED, SUPERJACK SPECULATES ON IT, AND YOU IMMEDIATELY TRY TO HANG HIM UP FOR IT, WITHOUT A VOTE AS IF TO SAY "HEY TOWN IS IT OKAY TO MISLYNCH THIS NERD?," YOU ARE BEING SUPER SCUMMY. THE LATE VOTE AFTER THE INTERACTION IS BAD SO BAD SO BAD ITS TOO BAD, ITS STUPID TOO LATE, SO WRONG, AND SO LONG.
PoD and Damus have got to go. Correct scum play on their part is to not kill me since it confirms setup and helps town more than keeping me alive does. But they're dumbscum, and it's obvious that they're crossbussing with the schoolgirlish pratting going on in here--I don't for one second buy the counter-claim to the fake-claim to expose it as a fake-claim. It gives the other player town allowance while simultaneously being capable of bussing them hard/distancing from them. Not cool. If PoD and Damus aren't scum buddies, they both made really dumb plays that're gonna cripple town, which is pretty much worth a lynch LOL DID THE CLAIMED DETECTIVE ADVOCATE A POLICY LYNCH WHO EVEN CARES THERE IS EVIDENCE TOO FUCK

It's approx. 300 words long, with the first post in my reads-list being about 175. My throwaway joke about Gambit and my nickelback reference take up 47 words, and the Gambit aside is only 31. 31 words is not half of 175, and, rhetorically, that's not half of my argument either. Your hyperbole falls short here, and, logically, you're making a mistake of trying to make an assault based in enthymeme rather than attacking my Logos.

You claimed to be roleblocked in a setup where I have exclusive information that there are no roleblocking roles.
Your claim towards roleblocking by and large was made in a way that was deceptive towards town and could potentially expose roles--just like it just has with my own role.
Your distancing and disengaging from the game is not very town motivated in that it doesn't provide new information but makes you seem like an active player.
Your actions in this game have mostly been reactionary, in both how you vote and how you engage with what other players deem appropriate town behavior. You test the waters far too much to be playing an absurd gambit. It's more likely that you're scum hiding behind that transparent attempt at deflection of my case on you. "I was just pretending to be scumtarded" is not a defense. Try again.
In response to my logically forwarded case on you, the most relevant and expanded upon case in this game so far, you've assaulted my character in an attempt to call my logic into question, but your jabs are transparent and weak. You simply say my actions are 'bad', but don't articulate why, and your analysis of my votes is largely inflammatory, calling them "anti-town" rather than establishing -why- they are anti-town. An interesting point is that you seem to be giving me town-credit for how I handled my first vote, but my others--which are on players who I can confirm as liars via exclusive info coupled with analysis of their play, you really try to attack me over. The funniest thing is that you analyze my vote on you as one of not understanding your play, which is hilarious as a misrepresentation of my arguments, because it simultaneously alienates you from the playerbase while failing to address the points I've made against you by broadly sweeping them aside.

Please, continue to try to deflect my case between your games. I hope you're carrying on League, because you're not doing so well on this battleground, summoner.


The explanation:

In the beginning I was testing out several theories of the playerbase we were selected to play within. The way I did so was to see how they reacted to very illogical and counteractive plays/messages. The vote on AppleyNO and the Scum claim on yourself. Since there were zero interests in the entirety of the players in such ridiculous play I concluded that we were infected with very lurky minded individuals. I already knew that SuperJack, Slaol, and Varsoon were going to be very difficult players to do anything with and they have anonymity on their side as well as a, with slaol, a preference to lurk over several days. Due to the nature of the setup I suspected that the players would be more inclined to ponder what we could possibly have over the fact that it doesn't overly matter so long as we still remember to read posts and analyze them effectively. With my earlier conclusions I knew they the majority of them would not care to do so or attempt such things. Additionally there were too many variables to correctly address any future issues should the setup turn out to be very much in favor of town, as mafia are generally more or less insanely weak in each of the presented setups possible. With the knowledge I then held in check I stayed back to read what people presented when not facing any pressure at all. I show a lot of chatter about the possibility of a jailor and thus concluded that was the power hoped to be in the game over the rest. That made me suspect that jailor was not going to be in the game.

Once the next day came up and I saw the fact that it was indeed Sen that was killed I suspected that the mafia had a consort, which I am :), and did no action to enable the suspicion that we have a different type of setup than we actually do. With Sens death I knew that the mafia were recent additions to the playerbase and thus suspected Superjack and the newly resurfaced AppleyNO/PoD. When I claimed roleblocked it was in an effort to shake up plays and players with an outlandish claim that made no absolute sense. When PoD ruined it by suggesting he was instead roleblocked I knew that there was very very little I could do to remove the taint of scum that he left upon my person. Once Varsoon claimed detective I had believed that my thought of a consort mafia would be false but with the other setups possible I still maintained that not to be the cause. Thus I began throwing down more and more scum tells upon myself in an effort to see just how willing he was to tunnel and in what way he would be tunneling in. With the final claim of mafia-consort It was a nonveiled reaction test that resulted in an arrogant ish sounding tone.

Result: I believe that Varsoon has fake claimed Detective in an effort to shake up more scum tells. There is very little to suggest that the setup will not have a Consort in the mafia, as by comparison and Titus meta all other possibilities make mafia around 35% {Number pulled out of ass} weaker than it could be. With the selection of players and the variables surrounding them it lead to an increased chance of basic roleblocking mafia than any other kind.

[Damus_Graves]

Oh. I'm not a league fanatic. I much prefer The Total War series. Once I get my hands on Rome II These forums might never see me again :D

[Titus]

I will not comment further on the decision. I do not like intruding as host.

[Varsoon]

@Damus: Aaaah, it's too bad. I actually am detective.
I've been playing too few games recently. I like Civ V with the new DLC for it. Just been super busy with college.

[Damus_Graves]

@Damus: Aaaah, it's too bad. I actually am detective.
I've been playing too few games recently. I like Civ V with the new DLC for it. Just been super busy with college.

While likely I still do not believe it. Consort just makes much more sense over the suggested two mafiosos.

[Damus_Graves]

I'll be honest: I'd rather have a much more detailed reaction to my post. QQ and all that.

[Damus_Graves]

Also: Based upon your tunnel and manner

1. You have played before
2. You have played with experts before
3. You have played a lot with experts before
4. You are an analyzer
5. You are a logical thinking individual
6. You are more often Town than Scum
7. You have lead Town to victories more often than support a Leader to victories.


Assumedly as I was only looking at three posts while concluding these things :worried:

[Varsoon]

I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that you're scum and that your response is a sort of back-pedal and attempt to appeal and avoid your ban now that you're at L-1. It's a sort of last ditch effort that doesn't really invalidate the points I made against your earlier play.

It's really not for me anyway, since it's an appeal to the players on your wagon who are just sheeping me/the other members of town who are capable of lynching you.

My vote stays and all that.

[Damus_Graves]

I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that you're scum and that your response is a sort of back-pedal and attempt to appeal and avoid your ban now that you're at L-1. It's a sort of last ditch effort that doesn't really invalidate the points I made against your earlier play.

It's really not for me anyway, since it's an appeal to the players on your wagon who are just sheeping me/the other members of town who are capable of lynching you.

My vote stays and all that.

I claimed Mafia - Consort to imply that I was rather done.

[Damus_Graves]

The rest is just an overview explo of what I did in the game

[Varsoon]

Heh, I wrote ban earlier, but meant 'lynch'. I'm actually in this game because I was banned on another site I played on for a week over what was kinda a non-issue. Guess that's a Freudian slip on my part.

Yeah, I've been playing on other sites for the last six months or so.
I usually take a pretty varied approach to playing, but I have been pretty analytic and off the wall as both town and as scum.
If I can have a prominent voice as town, I like to. I mean, I really like to have a leading voice as either role, but I tend to do it a lot more as town. I don't really back down when I'm a PR either, like a lot of players tend to do.

That said, I'm totes new to this site and the site meta, so I don't know much of how things get played here.

[Damus_Graves]

Heh, I wrote ban earlier, but meant 'lynch'. I'm actually in this game because I was banned on another site I played on for a week over what was kinda a non-issue. Guess that's a Freudian slip on my part.

Yeah, I've been playing on other sites for the last six months or so.
I usually take a pretty varied approach to playing, but I have been pretty analytic and off the wall as both town and as scum.
If I can have a prominent voice as town, I like to. I mean, I really like to have a leading voice as either role, but I tend to do it a lot more as town. I don't really back down when I'm a PR either, like a lot of players tend to do.

That said, I'm totes new to this site and the site meta, so I don't know much of how things get played here.

Your play is fine for the site. Site meta is not much of a thing aside from the fact that half the players here lurk needlessly.

[Varsoon]

Oh, blah, haha, I've actually seen similar play before on other sites in an attempt to struggle out some survival. Where I play most, players tend to not roll over and die, but go down fighting--especially when they're scum. That said, it can be a kinda effective tactic on that site to just say "Well, this is what I was going for so far with my scummy play, lynch me for it, but, really, I am town."

[Damus_Graves]

Oh, blah, haha, I've actually seen similar play before on other sites in an attempt to struggle out some survival. Where I play most, players tend to not roll over and die, but go down fighting--especially when they're scum. That said, it can be a kinda effective tactic on that site to just say "Well, this is what I was going for so far with my scummy play, lynch me for it, but, really, I am town."

I know when Im beat. :p

[Varsoon]

Haha, right on. I was gonna probably tunnel you to death, too. When I snag onto people I think are scum, it's really hard for me to let go unless they absolutely shoot me down in a way that I can't refute.
That said, my paranoia always spikes when players do impractical things and sometimes I'll start to overthink very pro-town play. There's still a nagging voice in the back of my head that's like, "Oh man, if Damus flips town this game will go to hell" when I've laid out a pretty thorough case and I very seriously hold you to be my top scum candidate.

[Damus_Graves]

Lol.
Hi Apples how are you?

also has anyone even seen whats their face that Ezkail-something or toehr person

[Damus_Graves]

eliZa, Boss, Slaol.

RiP

[Varsoon]

Is Apple posting? If so, I can't seeee it.
I do see apple at the bottom down there.

[Damus_Graves]

Apples you shouldn 't really hammer me. Time can still ve used ya.

[Varsoon]

While I actually do believe in using the whole day to gather evidence and such, given how much inactivity we have in this game and how damn fast the phases are, stalling could be a poor tactic for town, esp. when we've got claimed scum in our grasp.

[Damus_Graves]

Hm. Either way it benefits me. :)

[Slaol]

Dunno yet. I sent in my action a bit late, so I might've gotten fuckin' nothin'. Titus has yet to respond to my PM about it, though.
For the record, I followed you, because I saw your actions in D1 as a little sketchy, but they make more sense now.
If you're scum, you're playing far above the level of the people in this game. :3

I am playing far above the level, but my best play is Town.


Sup guys
I knew Damus was lying by the way he posted he was roleblocked.
So i tried to make him admit he wasn't roleblocked.
It worked ^.^ but I wasn't trying to rolefishing.
I am citizen
I never got roleblocked.

Shit defense. I'd vote twice if I could.


Damus, Varsoon, stop sucking eachother off and vote on PoD. Good god, I go away for like 2 and a half hours and the thread goes to fuck.

AppleyNO and PoD are the scums, end of story.

[Varsoon]

Damus claimed scum, though, man.

[Slaol]

Varsoon is super paranoid because he knows none of us, and Damus is kind of a dick. It works with the same dynamic that causes Titus and I to murder each other as often as possible during the day.

Damus and PoD have both claimed to have not been Rb'd.
No Jailor feedback.
No other Role Block feedback
Detective is in the game.

Damus and PoD are both noteable for their false feedback, but Damus is the character to jump in with a gambit. PoD is NOT.

Varsoon, don't you fuck me with your paranoia.

[Slaol]

Damus claimed scum, though, man.

Yea, pretty solidly irrelevant. As someone with Damus in my cell phone, the bastard likes to misdirect his own team. Once he is confident he has set us up to win he likes to add additional information to ruin people using previous games to meta him.

Ignore what Damus is doing.

[Damus_Graves]

Why Slaol....Why I was almost home!

[Varsoon]

I've got more reasons to believe Damus is scum, esp. based on our interactions since you left the thread earlier.
It's not like we can't lynch -both- of 'em.

[Slaol]

I've got more reasons to believe Damus is scum, esp. based on our interactions since you left the thread earlier.
It's not like we can't lynch -both- of 'em.

PoD first.

What Damus? Your stuff is going to fuck this game and turn Varsoon into what Titus is for me. You are welcome. lol

[Damus_Graves]

PoD first.

What Damus? Your stuff is going to fuck this game and turn Varsoon into what Titus is for me. You are welcome. lol

Lol. Ruin my fun.

powerofdeath

[Slaol]

Varsoon, Damus is fucking with your because at this stage in your interaction he still can.

[Varsoon]

Varsoon, Damus is fucking with your because at this stage in your interaction he still can.

Not... really? I put out my case and my vote on Damus and it's been there since then.
Damus should be today's lynch.
I'm 90% sure it'll flip scum.
We can talk about the PoD lynch tomorrow.

Why are you so stridently for PoD over Damus?
Damus is at L-1, too. Trying to shift tide back would be difficult given player interaction AND it'd be disingenuous for me to do.

[Slaol]

Our site is REALLY lacking a facepalm emoticon.

I am more confident in PoD because I have more information on them as players and know Damus' style pretty well.

I am 100% sure PoD will flip scum.
And 100% sure AppleyNO will flip scum.

I am considering just hammering Damus to lock this lol all over the place. Then I can lead tomorrow's lynch on PoD without the Damus vs. Varsoon 2013 battle going on.
Then I can fuck up Appley the day after that, seeing as I will still be alive, lol.

[Damus_Graves]

The battle is onesided. Im confident Varsoon is town. Aside from that however is the fact that Apples just viewed the thread and left

[Varsoon]

@Slaol: I'm not really buying the AppleyNO case.
Besides, yeah, getting rid of Damus will help town regardless, and you agree. :3

[Slaol]

Yea, cause if he hammered it would aid my ripping him apart 2 days from now.

[Damus_Graves]

@Slaol: I'm not really buying the AppleyNO case.
Besides, yeah, getting rid of Damus will help town regardless, and you agree. :3

K :)

[Slaol]

@Slaol: I'm not really buying the AppleyNO case.
Besides, yeah, getting rid of Damus will help town regardless, and you agree. :3

Question, what would AppleyNO have to gain, as a Citizen, from trying to direct us into expecting a certain setup?

[Slaol]

Damus, your willingness to die is so irrevocably bothersome right now.
Fucking PoD was at L-1, and now we are probably fucked for the day.
d1- no one votes in time to lynch scum that didnt even really defend self
d2- everyone votes correct person, then mislynches

[Damus_Graves]

Damus, your willingness to die is so irrevocably bothersome right now.
Fucking PoD was at L-1, and now we are probably fucked for the day.
d1- no one votes in time to lynch scum that didnt even really defend self
d2- everyone votes correct person, then mislynches

Sorry? Im scummy to Varsoon right now. Its up to you to inform him.

[Slaol]

Varsoon. You are really fucking us right now man.

[Damus_Graves]

Need to go to the store nad LOL my mother just hurt her hand hitting me for being a smartass. k leaving for the store. GL GUISE!

[Varsoon]

Damus, your willingness to die is so irrevocably bothersome right now.
Fucking PoD was at L-1, and now we are probably fucked for the day.
d1- no one votes in time to lynch scum that didnt even really defend self
d2- everyone votes correct person, then mislynches

Yo, because Damus is scum. And I've explained why a Damus/PoD scum-team is reasonable.
I don't buy AppleNO 'trying to convince town of a setup'.
Vote for Damus.
Damus flips scum.
Let's continue from there.

[Slaol]

I'm just going to hammer Damus.
Damus is fucking Town.
Varsoon is fucking paranoid.
PoD is fucking Mafia.
AppleyNO is fucking Mafia.

Tomorrow, we lynch the fuck out of PoD without this clusterfuck ruining everything. Hopefully scum are retarded and leave Varsoon alive so we have the Detective and he can respond to this.

Damus_Graves

[The Godfather]

Damus_Graves has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Damus_Graves ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/4595') (5 [L-0]): AppleyNO ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360620'), Slaol ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360829'), powerofdeath ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360667'), Varsoon ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360737'), SuperJack ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360762')
powerofdeath ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/3897') (1 [L-4]): Damus_Graves ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360814')

[The Godfather]

Damus_Graves has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Damus_Graves ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/4595') (5 [L-0]): AppleyNO ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360620'), Slaol ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360829'), powerofdeath ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360667'), Varsoon ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360737'), SuperJack ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360762')
powerofdeath ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/3897') (1 [L-4]): Damus_Graves ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=360814')

[Titus]

Damus_Graves was lynched. He was a/the Mafioso. The game is now in twilight for the rest of the day. The dead player may still talk in twilight if he desires but is under no requirement to do so. All living players may also talk.

No further votes will count until Day 3.

[Varsoon]

Awesome~

Don't worry, I still <3 you, Slaol.

[Varsoon]

Now, continuing up my list, I think PoD is a solid starting point for D3, but we should really try to get more out of the rest of the players, too.
Of course, now we can ISO Damus and WIFOM ourselves to death as well.

[Slaol]

Well fuck of shit.

OK, good stuff Varsoon. I suppose I was caught by his gambit as I had already read AppleyNO and PoD as scum. Damus, i'ma buy you a drink.
Fun Fact: Titus finds all of this hilarious.

Anyway, I will defer to your suggestion for tomorrow. I believe there is still the chance they were scum together and the PoD vs. Damus battle was a dance.

[Slaol]

I'll need a good defense from PoD tomorrow to prevent that push.

AppleyNO, you are just shit this game I suppose.

[Titus]

Please do not comment on what I think. Any message that may be sent to a player is meant for their eyes only. I, as a host, cannot comment on whether Slaol's statement is right or wrong. Making that comment is close to modkill however. Do not comment on what I may or may not think again.

[Varsoon]

It feels really artificial in places and seems like a bus/distancing technique. That way, if one of them got lynched, the other could play off their fake-claim of being role-blocked as a means of exposing the other player.

And, hehe, thanks. I was really seeing a lot of Damus' use of gambit in a way of avoiding criticism, and it struck me as really scummy. From there, I tried to make a fairly loud case, especially to get Damus to respond so I could cultivate a conversation to better read the slot.

I think PoD has some explaining to do, but I wanna know about Appley's lurky kinda presence (likely town since it kept feeling like Damus was pushing that mislynch on the logic you put out there, Sloal. I often see scum piggyback like this) and I want to know why SuperJack hopped on the Damus wagon with a bald vote and no articulation.

[Varsoon]

In a way, the double fake claim of being roleblocked as a rolefishing/bussing technique is totally a gambit that I could see Damus pulling off in a game, btw. :3

[Slaol]

Please do not comment on what I think. Any message that may be sent to a player is meant for their eyes only. I, as a host, cannot comment on whether Slaol's statement is right or wrong. Making that comment is close to modkill however. Do not comment on what I may or may not think again.

That'd be the dumbest modkill ever. And the warning about it is pretty bad too.
1: Don't see anything about even quoting PMs specifically. By your own rules I could have quoted it and the modkill would have been unjust. I simply hinted at it, which until your post here was a meaningless statement. Now it appears to have actually happened. Only now, after your entry to the thread will people consider the impact of what you may or may not have thought.
2: Assuming quoting PMs is still immoral, even when not against the rules, to suggest that discussing things talked about with the host is against the rules would negate both A) giving results to questions I asked in PMs, and B) Role claiming, since that would be based on a PM exchange with you.

Just saying.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, the community I play a lot on is really strict about not PMing other players in your games, talking about ongoing games, and so on and so forth. Surprised it's a bit more chill here, since some people are real ball busters over that kind of thing.

[Slaol]

In a way, the double fake claim of being roleblocked as a rolefishing/bussing technique is totally a gambit that I could see Damus pulling off in a game, btw. :3

Yea. I'm not surprised at all. Sadly he just pulled it when I already had what I felt were correct reads.

Time to get modkilled for breaking no rules.

[Varsoon]

@Slaol: I find the best tactic is to just chill out and disengage completely when a mod slaps your wrist over something.
Also, if Titus kills you and you really are a Vest-wearer, you won't die, right?
:3

Yeah, I feel like Damus was really banking on riding your coattails, because you were the established town-leader, essentially.

[Damus_Graves]

I can talk?

[Slaol]

It's so dumb lol.
Titus and I are like fire and ice. Hard to not disagree, and this new rule and warning for my doing literally 0/infinite things is hilarious. Especially when the thing she is mad at only exists because she complained about it lol

[Titus]

That'd be the dumbest modkill ever. And the warning about it is pretty bad too.
1: Don't see anything about even quoting PMs specifically. By your own rules I could have quoted it and the modkill would have been unjust. I simply hinted at it, which until your post here was a meaningless statement. Now it appears to have actually happened. Only now, after your entry to the thread will people consider the impact of what you may or may not have thought.
2: Assuming quoting PMs is still immoral, even when not against the rules, to suggest that discussing things talked about with the host is against the rules would negate both A) giving results to questions I asked in PMs, and B) Role claiming, since that would be based on a PM exchange with you.

Just saying.

Roleclaiming generally =/= quoting pms and it's not purporting to be what I believe. If you quote your role PM to make your roleclaim, that I would mod kill without warning. I have no problem with PM questions/answers as players can lie about mechanics here. Posting about what the host may or may not think should be common sense. Don't do it again. You got a warning because that was not explicitly in the rules.

If you think my rules are dumb, this is best handled privately.

@Damus, you may talk for another 15 hours. You will not have access to your night chat.

[Varsoon]

@Slaol: Yeah, like I said, the best approach is to just be chill about it and drop it. You're in a power structure where the person with tangible power is Titus, so even if you are -right- about something, Titus has the ability to remove you from the game, etc etc. I mean, yeah, that'd be a totally dick move, but it's best to just be like, eh, whatever about it. I think it's no big deal, and if it's escalated, maybe it would be, but there's no point for it to escalate any more. The way you make sure it doesn't get there is by disengaging.

@Damus: Yeah, I'm fairly certain Titus said you can talk. :3

[Damus_Graves]

Sweet so lets gamethrow a bit.


PoD is my teammate and he is a consort.

In Addition I like that eliZa is lurking right now. Add more bodies to the count.

Aside from that however is the fact that I appluad Varsoon for his double gambit here. Will plyed sir :blink1:

In another note I will not mentain slaol aside from thank you for the drink.


OH OH OH OH OH OH OH OH H AND!

Host is Best Host SE!

[Damus_Graves]

HEy Slaol are you here? I wanna chat wif you

[Slaol]

Roleclaiming generally =/= quoting pms and it's not purporting to be what I believe. If you quote your role PM to make your roleclaim, that I would mod kill without warning. I have no problem with PM questions/answers as players can lie about mechanics here. Posting about what the host may or may not think should be common sense. Don't do it again. You got a warning because that was not explicitly in the rules.

If you think my rules are dumb, this is best handled privately.

@Damus, you may talk for another 15 hours. You will not have access to your night chat.

Nah, publicly is fine as the warning was public. Even with the rules not being official.
Also, I didn't say role claiming is the same as quoting PMs. I said it is discussing a conversation with the host. Which apparently is a modkillable offense.
You say mechanics can be lied about, but your personal opinion is somehow infallibly fact when someone claims it?

Your post warning me was what made anything fact.

Yea, i'm here Damus.
Also, thank you Varsoon for acknowledging that I am the one in the right. Titus can do what she pleases, but she's being ridiculous at the moment. lol

[Varsoon]

@Damus: Hahaha, please understand if I don't trust you on the PoD thing, but we'll find out soon enough, huh?

[Slaol]

HEy Slaol are you here? I wanna chat wif you

Sup babe?

[Damus_Graves]

@Damus: Hahaha, please understand if I don't trust you on the PoD thing, but we'll find out soon enough, huh?

I AM SURVIVED!


Anyways


Slaol what do you think of the fact that I have just triple bussed someone?