SFM 102: A Community of Unfortunate Events

[Damus_Graves]

Day Ends: 10:21 CST PM Tomorrow

Setup Link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/21698-S-FM-A-Community-of-Unfortunate-Events)

"What have you been told about this neighborhood kid?" A creaky old voice questioned out from the blackness of a house doorway. Curiosity filled the tone while still leaving a bitter, omnious, phrase, somehow. Even as he shook his head in half an answer, dread was creeping its way up the boys neck as he waited for the voice to continue speaking. "This neighborhood is death son. Best move on before it catches you up. Now there aren't no two ways about it you stay and you'll die. The only chance you have for sunlight is to be runnin' off the streets there till the county line is miles behind you." With that pessimistic warning, forever etched into the boys mind, the voice faded out and the thunder cracked across the clear sky.

Opening his eyes to a dreary sort of day the boy takes a cautious look outside in time to catch the light hammering off a bolt of lightning, which hit the earth in a drowning boom, illuminating puddles of red water housing inside them chucks of...something. "This neighborhood is death son. Best be movin' on..."

Black - Modkilled


Nick
ika
Banshis
Creedkingsx - Citrus
Chane - Azure
Muso
Ganondorf
Titus
Slaol
Glip


7

[Slaol]

Titus


I claim Escort. Bbl.

[creedkingsx]

I claim Escort. Bbl.

You look foolish cause list codes n stuff

[Damus_Graves]

Host Rule: Mass Role Claiming on Day one or Two is not allowed as it has the potential to utterly break the setup

Fixed mah mistake

[creedkingsx]

Host Rule: Role Claiming on Day one or Two is not allowed as it has the potential to utterly break the setup

well phuck

[Slaol]

Host Rule: Role Claiming on Day one or Two is not allowed as it has the potential to utterly break the setup

I stick by my Escort claim as I'm pretty sure it is impossible.

[Slaol]

Hey, Titus, I claimed a role I probably am not. Better claim your role right now and lynch me immediately. Zero chance for beneficial intent.

[Slaol]

Titus

OK, sleep time.

[Nick]

For Witch: Changing orientation counts as night action?
For Leaders: Who will recruit first if both target the same person?
For Leaders: How does recruit choices work?
For Variables: When can start choosing orientation? What is unlocked upon Leader death? After gridlocking, can another Leader overwrite?
For Variables: Are they allowed to play for their future (not current) win condition?
For Variables: Maximum number of exact same roles?
For Witch: Benign or evil neutral?

[Ganondorf]

I gotta finish the job...

Titus

On that note...


Day One: No lynch,


7 votes to lynch.

???

[Nick]

I would like to chat. But since I don't know how the setup works, I will wait for clarification.

Titus
Since no lynch day.

[Muso]

I have no eyes and no ears, only a nose.

[Nick]

I have no eyes and no ears, only a nose.

Are you implying that you can smell evil?

[Titus]

Ahh nooo an obviously impossible claim. Must persecute. [/joking and poking fun at myself]

[Muso]

Are you implying that you can smell evil?

Yes.

[Nick]

Will Leaders be informed about successful gridlock?
Will Variables be informed about role/alignment change?

[Banshis]

I'm here everyone!

@Nick- So many questions already.

Also everyone I think that cycle was an example and it is actually a lynch day. Also because the vote counter is set and it is actually tallying up the votes.

[ika]

Im here and sadly i have work for first part of day but i must say i got the BEST role ever! is so oped

also this might be a thing titus

anayway i might check in during break i might not. depends if i got dat time

[ika]

Btw nick why didnt you ask these question before the game?

can we use invis ink?

[Nick]

If variables are changing roles the same night, will Investigator detect the previous or new role/alignment?
Do Serial Killer/MM/Witch need to stay alive to win or they win together?
Can still change orientation if at 1/2 life?
Possible to have Neutral Doctor, Evil Investigator or Town Serial Killer?
What does extend day on Day 2 mean?
Can MM be witched to self, if yes what will happen?
What does lose detection immunity mean?
Will we know host's prechosen gridlock role/alignment?
How to choose role/alignment?

[Nick]

Btw nick why didnt you ask these question before the game?

can we use invis ink?

I believe in Cryptonic.

And I'm not Phyr.

[Nick]

I believe in Cryptonic.

And I'm not Phyr.

Meaning game should be balanced. But I still need to know what is the best strategy to win.

[Nick]

When does game end? Can still jump ship from town to evil and vice versa when SK/MM or Investigator/Doctor is dead?

[Nick]

Besides role will Leader/Variable/Static label show up in graveyard?

[Titus]

Wow. I have four votes on me. Thank goodness this is no lynch . Otherwise, I would think scum's on the train.

[Slaol]

Wow. I have four votes on me. Thank goodness this is no lynch . Otherwise, I would think scum's on the train.


7

¯\(°_o)/¯

[Titus]

The setup says day 1 no lynch. Host will clarify.

[Slaol]

¯\(°_o)/¯


7

¯\(°_o)/¯

[Titus]

Host dun goofed probably by setting the vote counter. I still think today is a no lynch day. Why are you pushing this?

[creedkingsx]

I gotta finish the job...

Titus

On that note...





???

yolo

[Banshis]

Well I can see that there isn't a lot of discussion going on...

[Damus_Graves]

For Witch: Changing orientation counts as night action? No
For Leaders: Who will recruit first if both target the same person? Random.ord
For Leaders: How does recruit choices work? PM me choice between changing alignment or role and the targeted players name.
For Variables: When can start choosing orientation? What is unlocked upon Leader death? After gridlocking, can another Leader overwrite? Tomorrow, the ability to change their role/alignment during the end game, Yes.
For Variables: Are they allowed to play for their future (not current) win condition? No.
For Variables: Maximum number of exact same roles? There isn't one.
For Witch: Benign or evil neutral? Evil.





I gotta finish the job...

Titus

On that note...





???

Any lynch today will just result in the day ending faster. No one will die.


Will Leaders be informed about successful gridlock? No
Will Variables be informed about role/alignment change? Yes


Btw nick why didnt you ask these question before the game?

can we use invis ink?

Yes


If variables are changing roles the same night, will Investigator detect the previous or new role/alignment? You change based on your investigation pairing so yes.
Do Serial Killer/MM/Witch need to stay alive to win or they win together? Stay Alive; Witch wins with all evils.
Can still change orientation if at 1/2 life? No
Possible to have Neutral Doctor, Evil Investigator or Town Serial Killer? No
What does extend day on Day 2 mean? Day Two would be extended by five hours
Can MM be witched to self, if yes what will happen? Witch will die.
What does lose detection immunity mean? Investigator will see that the Mas Murderer is the Mass Murderer.
Will we know host's prechosen gridlock role/alignment? No
How to choose role/alignment? PM me the choice between role or alignment and you switch depending on your investigation pairing.



When does game end? Can still jump ship from town to evil and vice versa when SK/MM or Investigator/Doctor is dead? Its possible.


Besides role will Leader/Variable/Static label show up in graveyard? No


Host dun goofed probably by setting the vote counter. I still think today is a no lynch day. Why are you pushing this?

Lynching today ends the day fasted. No one will die.

[Slaol]

Oh.

/lurk

I'll clam Escort more and lynch Titus tomorrow.

[creedkingsx]

I LOVE D0 NO LYNCH GAMES. SO MUCH HAPPENS.
<3 Damus

[Muso]

I can't think of anything to do.

[Ganondorf]

I can see it now....

*Titus Hammered

Resulting RP:
"After a few short hours of chat, the neighborhood denizens agreed that they generally disliked Titus. However, after coming to this meaningful conclusion, they decided that their work was done and they all retired to the town saloon to play pool (drinks on Titus)..."

[ika]

seems like nothing happened with my absense. and with no power of lynch that means one thing:

suet approval things to llok and and other pointless stuff

[Titus]

I can see it now....

*Titus Hammered

Resulting RP:
"After a few short hours of chat, the neighborhood denizens agreed that they generally disliked Titus. However, after coming to this meaningful conclusion, they decided that their work was done and they all retired to the town saloon to play pool (drinks on Titus)..."

She loved Grey Goose so she insisted that be the first round, and that's the only round she paid for. After while, everyone was ordering their own drinks and got good and smashed.

I had the rest of this... but then I saw killers are only at .5.

[creedkingsx]

And more time wasted. :D

[ika]

define wasted time

[Banshis]

define wasted

Probably the fact that there wasn't really any discussion.

[ika]

Probably the fact that there wasn't really any discussion.

on the contary, nick made discussion no a lot of questiosn. also sometimes the unspoken words are the most important. i have played games where i go in with random people and not once say one word. sometime the best plan of action is taking no action at all.

damus made this a no lynch day for a reason. many ppl think that a no lynch = lurk becasue town has no power (towns main powers are the power to vote and have majority)

however damus knows that it can still say a lot. you just need to know how to use it.

slaol is an example. no lynch for him means he will lurk and afk the day due to lack of power. but i know full well hes observing and taking notes.

[Titus]

on the contary, nick made discussion no a lot of questiosn. also sometimes the unspoken words are the most important. i have played games where i go in with random people and not once say one word. sometime the best plan of action is taking no action at all.

damus made this a no lynch day for a reason. many ppl think that a no lynch = lurk becasue town has no power (towns main powers are the power to vote and have majority)

however damus knows that it can still say a lot. you just need to know how to use it.

slaol is an example. no lynch for him means he will lurk and afk the day due to lack of power. but i know full well hes observing and taking notes.

Wow. I one hundred percent agree with something ika said. :wow: I think my scum-o-meter is broken.

[ika]

Wow. I one hundred percent agree with something ika said. :wow: I think my scum-o-meter is broken.

looks at setup and sees the following

No Images
No Videos

damn have to improvise

*insert jpg pic of faceplam here*

i think something just happened here

A) titus for once acctally understand my logic
B) titus is scum
C) damus hacked titus account and posted that
D) any ohter possiblity

im tempted to pick C but for now i will wait on it

[Titus]

Ok, ika you caught me. I'll quit hacking Titus's account.

[ika]

Ok, ika you caught me. I'll quit hacking Titus's account.

lolz good to see titus can have a sense of humor still.

titus you should get your husband to play on here have him make an account and sign up

[Banshis]

If there was mafia in the set-up I would say your both on a team! :) :P Only way you guys can agree :)

[ika]

If there was mafia in the set-up I would say your both on a team! :) :P Only way you guys can agree :)

we have to to be on the same team where we knew it. i do want to play a game with ttius where we are both mafia or on same team and know it.

[Titus]

lolz good to see titus can have a sense of humor still.

titus you should get your husband to play on here have him make an account and sign up

Nah. I like us having separate interests. He hasn't really asked much about it anyway. If he shows interest, I'll have him sign up though.

LOL, we'll start FoSing each other soon enough probably.

[Ganondorf]

We're running out of time: join the Titus bandwagon before it's too late! This may be the only chance we get to lynch her this entire game...

[ika]

Nah. I like us having separate interests. He hasn't really asked much about it anyway. If he shows interest, I'll have him sign up though.

:[

LOL, we'll start FoSing each other soon enough probably.

for the second part it will happen edventally i know damus handpicks players and probally handpicked who he gave them out to. now the question becomes what did he give you. antoher thing to wonder is who is static alignment and who is variable alignments......

[Banshis]

Hmm I find it odd that Ganon is trolling. I know it is day 1 and no lynch, but he doesn't strike me as a player that really would mess around on day 1 and just troll. The Titus train is pointless in my eyes. I would think Ganon would try to help contribute even on a no lynch day. I could just be reading this wrong, but he still doesn't strike me as a player who messes around.

[ika]

Hmm I find it odd that Ganon is trolling. I know it is day 1 and no lynch, but he doesn't strike me as a player that really would mess around on day 1 and just troll. The Titus train is pointless in my eyes. I would think Ganon would try to help contribute even on a no lynch day. I could just be reading this wrong, but he still doesn't strike me as a player who messes around.

like i said even those who dont contribute/talk on a nonlycnch day are saying something without knownig.

[ika]

anway im off to the land of youtube

[Banshis]

Well lets see what I have picked up just on the couple posts we have had today. Some of these are my thoughts and others are recaps.

Nick- Asked a lot of questions to figure out game more. Didn't troll at all. Lots of questions on the variables. Voted Titus. Guessing he is a variable.

ika- Trolled first part of day. Added to discussion on day 1. Voted on Titus train. Probably town.

Creedkingsx- Troll, but shows he doesn't like a day 1 without lynch and he knows town is slow. Doesn't add anything though. Don't know his playstle.

Chane- No posts yet. Lurk

Muso- Trolled. Says he can't think of anything to do. Could have asked questions or tried to start a conversation. 1st game with him so I don't know his playstyle at all.

Ganondorf- Usually a serious player and day 1 trolling by him and him voting on the Titus train doesn't seem like his normal Pro-Town Self.

Titus- Defends against the troll train. Agrees with Ika's statement.

Slaol- Starts train on Titus. Then goes lurkmode. If Ika is right then your watching this now Slaol. Claims escort to get at Titus.

Glip- No posts yet.

Not very good yet, but not a lot has happened today yet.

[Ganondorf]

Hmm I find it odd that Ganon is trolling. I know it is day 1 and no lynch, but he doesn't strike me as a player that really would mess around on day 1 and just troll. The Titus train is pointless in my eyes. I would think Ganon would try to help contribute even on a no lynch day. I could just be reading this wrong, but he still doesn't strike me as a player who messes around.

Usually right, except for 2 things:
A) I'm still in SFM 100 mode and I'm fed up that Titus died in a duel, I didn't get to participate (due to the Sen/Orpz N1 kill), and Titus was actually town and Slaol's early vote gave me a very convenient outlet to express that in. Although I kinda made her into my archnemesis, I actually found that I thoroughly enjoy playing with her and I don't mind poking fun when appropriate.
B) Today is a no lynch day, and while you can certainly glean information from pretty much any situation, there's no real need or urgency to today. In SFM 100, day 1 was a lynch day and, in the absence of power roles, there was a definite need to make observations and accusations and hopefully force people to take sides. With the glorious return of power roles and the addition of the static/variable/leader mechanic, the game won't be so focused on scumhunting alone and I feel more than content to "troll" a little on day 1 (just like almost everyone else).

[Titus]

Well lets see what I have picked up just on the couple posts we have had today. Some of these are my thoughts and others are recaps.

Nick- Asked a lot of questions to figure out game more. Didn't troll at all. Lots of questions on the variables. Voted Titus. Guessing he is a variable.

ika- Trolled first part of day. Added to discussion on day 1. Voted on Titus train. Probably town.

Creedkingsx- Troll, but shows he doesn't like a day 1 without lynch and he knows town is slow. Doesn't add anything though. Don't know his playstle.

Chane- No posts yet. Lurk

Muso- Trolled. Says he can't think of anything to do. Could have asked questions or tried to start a conversation. 1st game with him so I don't know his playstyle at all.

Ganondorf- Usually a serious player and day 1 trolling by him and him voting on the Titus train doesn't seem like his normal Pro-Town Self.

Titus- Defends against the troll train. Agrees with Ika's statement.

Slaol- Starts train on Titus. Then goes lurkmode. If Ika is right then your watching this now Slaol. Claims escort to get at Titus.

Glip- No posts yet.

Not very good yet, but not a lot has happened today yet.

Banshis - Provides thread recap.

@Ganondorf - That's ok. I collect nemesis around here. I got Slaol and ika at a minimum. We all like each other outside of games though.

[ika]

Banshis - Provides thread recap.

@Ganondorf - That's ok. I collect nemesis around here. I got Slaol and ika at a minimum. We all like each other outside of games though.

not sure if i could say the same for slaol outside. but yes outside of the game em and titus are fine.

[Banshis]

I was reading the set-up and since killers are half value tonight nobody should die unless someone visits the mm target and the sk hits that person making it -1. Chances are though that no one will die. The mm or sk could potentially end up accidently roleblocking the other since no one is immune at night.

@Ganon- I see what you mean, but PR wise we only have a doc/invest and a possible witch.

@Ika- You mean Slaol to you outside games or Slaol to Titus outside of games?

[Nick]

Full OoO please

[ika]

I was reading the set-up and since killers are half value tonight nobody should die unless someone visits the mm target and the sk hits that person making it -1. Chances are though that no one will die. The mm or sk could potentially end up accidently roleblocking the other since no one is immune at night.

@Ganon- I see what you mean, but PR wise we only have a doc/invest and a possible witch.

@Ika- You mean Slaol to you outside games or Slaol to Titus outside of games?

slaol and me are freind outside of the game as well. i dont think slaol woudl consider titus a freind outside of the game.

to me i do consider titus a freind outside of game. its just that im a very diffrent person in game vs outsdie of game.

if you were to meet me in real life you would be surprised how diffrent i am

[ika]

do the static/variable roles know if they are static/variable or not?

[ika]

you know i have read this setup more and more and i think i figured out the reasonign behind most of these things on how his mechnaics work and everything. i need some time to wirte it down though its intresting what i think damus was tring to accomplish with this setup

[Nick]

Am I correct to say that:

Variable can choose new role/alignment (eg. choosing SK role means alignment became evil)
Leaders can change role/alignment of Variables (eg. locking evil Witch into town Doctor since Doctor can only be town)
Then where does host prechosen roles come in?

[Nick]

What does "gridlock a player to a {prechosen {by host alignment}, static, a variable role of their choice" mean?
It changes a Variable player to a Static player, their alignment gets determined by me before the game starts.


For Leaders: How does recruit choices work? PM me choice between changing alignment or role and the targeted players name.

I don't understand how to correlate both.

[Nick]

@Banshis

Pro-tip. I have WIFOM Level 4.

So no. I'm not Variable. I'm speaking the truth because I'm Town. Town will never lie.

[Titus]

@Banshis

Pro-tip. I have WIFOM Level 4.

So no. I'm not Variable. I'm speaking the truth because I'm Town. Town will never lie.

I lied a lot as confirmed town in M-FM 18. Lying has its place. But here, it would probably be more deadly.

[Nick]

Perhaps I should phrase it as: Town will never make self-defeating lie / will only make lies that benefit Town.

[Muso]

I'm not sure i know how to scum-hunt when:

1. nothing has happened
2. none of the scum know each other
3. people can change alignments
4. today isn't even a real lynch day

[Nick]

Investigator can determine whom to check
Doctor can determine whom to heal
Serial Killer and MM can determine whom to visit
Witch can decide whom to witch, whether to stay as Witch and discourage killer from visiting
Variable Citizens can decide whether to stay as Citizen and discourage killer from visiting
Citizens can acts as any of the above

[Damus_Graves]

Thank you all for not posting after the day was supposed to end. I applaud your trustworthyness in that regard. The Night is starting now and ends in 24 hours

{1:33 AM CST}

[Damus_Graves]

6
The morning rose on a bloodless street showing the world that things aren't always gritty and dark...for the time being of course.



Nick
ika
Banshis
Creedkingsx
Chane
Muso
Ganondorf
Titus
Slaol
Glip



Chane and Glip have an offical warning to begin participating in the game or face replacement!

[creedkingsx]

Morning.

[Muso]

Morning.

Morning.

[Ganondorf]

Good morning everyone. After hitting up the bar with the guys (and Titus), I returned home and had an otherwise peaceful night (not roleblocked).

[Muso]

Good morning

Morning.

[Titus]

Ugh. I had one too many but an otherwise peaceful night (no feedback).

[creedkingsx]

Alcohol is fun. :D

[Banshis]

No feedback here either.

[Nick]

Investigator {Leader}
Citizen {Static}
Citizen {Static}
Serial Killer {Variable}
Serial Killer {Variable}
Citizen {Static}
Doctor {Static}
Mass Murder {Leader}
Serial Killer {Static}
Doctor/Witch {Variable}


The role list today.

Since we cannot do mass role claim, we should consider doing a partial role claim.
Eg. Only Doctor/Witch claims or only Citizen/SK claims.

DISCUSS.

I prefer Doctor/Witch claims.

[Nick]

Will Chane and Glip be replaced mid-day if they still do not post?

I would have shared my reads if not for both of them.

@Titus
Please share your thoughts about how Investigator can win?

@Ganondorf
Who should die tonight?

[ika]

nothing happened to me.

titus

im gonna take a nap and then be at work but i might be able to come on its almost 7 in morn here and i was up till late (like always)

[Nick]

Minimum posts per day = 5

Day1 posts


Nick - iiiiiiiiiiiiiii
ika - iiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Banshis - iiiiiii
Creedkingsx - iiiii
Chane
Muso - iiii
Ganondorf - iiii
Titus - iiiiiiiiii
Slaol - iiiiiii
Glip

Glip

[Nick]

Sigh... another lurkfest cult game. This is boring...

[ika]

is there soemthing you would like to dicuss with me? im mildly here

[Nick]

Who should we lynch today?
Choose four players to be killed tonight (can only kill 2, but choose 4 to counter MM)

Should Investigator reveal today?

[Nick]

@Slaol
Suggest how Investigator should deal with evil neutral Serial Killer.
Explain the best winning strategy for evil neutral Serial Killer.

[Titus]

@Nick, I don't know why you asked me about an investigator but I will answer.Sort of. An investigator needs to convince people to play as protown as possible and use lynches on those he hasn't cleared. Target those fixed against him. However, a witch/doctor would be unlikely to claim without having the SK eliminated. The SK is however the town's KPN. Citizens might want to claim. I'd imagine everyone would claim cit though. It's hard to plan victory without knowing the pieces.

[ika]

one sec i need to look at setup and see

[ika]

heres what i think.

we might lynch titus becasue her last post implies she not a citizen becasue she beieves everyone will claim it. i think i understand why nick is asking the questions because of his role as well.

my lycnh would be on titus/creed

as for who would probally die? that i have yet to decided on. it wouldnt surprise me if i was killed in the folloing night.

[ika]

hmmmmmm

titus

something not settling right here

[Nick]

An investigator needs to convince people to play as protown as possible and use lynches on those he hasn't cleared.

Then should Investigator claim now and lead town? And how does Investigator even clear people?


Target those fixed against him.

Reasoning?


However, a witch/doctor would be unlikely to claim without having the SK eliminated.

Don't understand? Why afraid of SK?


The SK is however the town's KPN. Citizens might want to claim. I'd imagine everyone would claim cit though. It's hard to plan victory without knowing the pieces.

You suggest roleclaiming starting with Citizens? Static Citizens you mean?

[Nick]

@Muso
Please explain Doctor/Witch strategy. Thanks.

[ika]

nick you are aware that citizens dont know if they are static or not right?

i think i understand what you are and what you are trying to say i will wait on it though

[Nick]

nick you are aware that citizens dont know if they are static or not right?

that is, unless you are saying you are not a citizen

Obviously I'm not.

[ika]

Obviously I'm not.

i know and i understand what you are doing now. i would like to hear what titus will claim becasue she seems to have hinted she is not citizen either. look at post 88. refers to invest as he, titus is a female, ttius says eveyone will claim cits implying she is not a citizen


I don't know why you asked me about an investigator but I will answer.Sort of. An investigator needs to convince people to play as protown as possible and use lynches on those he hasn't cleared. Target those fixed against him. However, a witch/doctor would be unlikely to claim without having the SK eliminated. The SK is however the town's KPN. Citizens might want to claim. I'd imagine everyone would claim cit though. It's hard to plan victory without knowing the pieces.

this that i find most important about it

[Nick]

@Banshis
Should we or should we not lynch Witch?

[Nick]

Day 2 midpoint


Nick - iiiiiiiiii
ika - iiiiiii
Banshis - i
Creedkingsx - ii
Chane -
Muso - ii
Ganondorf - i
Titus - ii
Slaol -
Glip -

[Titus]

@Nick, static citizens are most likely MM targets. All cits claim or none do. Given my last post, where it should be obvious I claim citizen, I am against claiming because everyone's claiming a citizen.

[ika]

@Nick, static citizens are most likely MM targets. All cits claim or none do. Given my last post, where it should be obvious I claim citizen, I am against claiming because everyone's claiming a citizen.

lolz typical titus. you claim cit yet say you are agianst it? that doesnt settle right with me. you inactiveity is also smoething i dont like uslally when you are citizen you want to leade right now you are not leading. levaing me thinking you are not a citizen

[Titus]

Lol I was asleep. I am also generally against wasting time. I think you're just hoping I am not citizen because I tend to confirmas town pretty quick when I am.

[Nick]

Nobody is here. So lame.

I request that Witch claim now. If not it's your fault that we lynch you. MM won't bother recruiting you.

[ika]

Lol I was asleep. I am also generally against wasting time. I think you're just hoping I am not citizen because I tend to confirmas town pretty quick when I am.

me? not exaclty its more of the fact you claimed citizen out of nowhere is what disturbs me. we are kinda wasting time right now. you say you are asllep but against wasting time? well then spark a converstation. i have to head off to work sadly but when i get back i will come and poke aournf and see what has happened

[Titus]

Nobody is here. So lame.

I request that Witch claim now. If not it's your fault that we lynch you. MM won't bother recruiting you.

At this point, the witch is almost a true neutral. Claiming wouldn't make sense I'd imagine. The witch doesn't need to be recruited to MM if there is indeed a witch. Witch usually wins with the evil killers I'd presume. I'd imagine a lot of this game will stay underground until some alignments start being made static. People will be more interested in self preservation than scum hunting. That is why ika, you and I are posting. The MM/Witch/Evil SK are probably among the lurkers. Although, ika could be doing a self-preservation thing early by doing his usual attacking of me.

[Nick]

LOL Damus didn't reset votes. But better that way.

Titus


Witch usually wins with the evil killers I'd presume.

Planning to side with evils. So you die. Bye.

[Titus]

You think that means I'm a witch planning to side with the evils. That's nuts.

[Nick]

People will be more interested in self preservation than scum hunting.

Don't remind me of those losers in FM VI please.


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)-

[Titus]

I haven't read FM VI. However, given the fact it's VI I'd imagine a lot of VIs were in the game. /joke

So basically, you're admitting voting me is just so people don't come after you. That's pretty bad.

Nick

[creedkingsx]

I have a question!
If we were to find out who the MM were, and assuming our Investigator is still alive, should we lynch knowing we could lose to town roles?
I do think we should because killing and stuff, but a question I would like to hear the opinion of the people.

[Nick]

I have a question!
If we were to find out who the MM were, and assuming our Investigator is still alive, should we lynch knowing we could lose to town roles?
I do think we should because killing and stuff, but a question I would like to hear the opinion of the people.

If you mean that after MM is dead, we could just random lynch any suspects. Though it's likely that any remaining evil neutral will just: "I have sinned! I repent! Jesus (Investigator) save me!"

If MM is still alive, obviously lynch MM first.

[Glip]

Um. Apparently I'm in this game, although I never received any PM stating as such.

Apparently I was attacked and left crippled last night?

And I quote: "You are not roleblocked at half life until you get healed or die"?

[Nick]

Creedkingsx please vote Titus the lying Witch.

[Nick]

And I quote: "You are not roleblocked at half life until you get healed or die"?

Wat.

[creedkingsx]

Also, do you think it is worth lynching our own citizens?
Seems out there, but my head is debating the idea.

[creedkingsx]

Um. Apparently I'm in this game, although I never received any PM stating as such.

Apparently I was attacked and left crippled last night?

And I quote: "You are not roleblocked at half life until you get healed or die"?

*goes to rules*

[Glip]

Wat.

The pm said that. This has me confuzzled. I must read the setup to understand what is even happening. I didn't even know I was in the game until just now. I never received a role PM, and I checked the players list when the game first started, and I wasn't on it.

[creedkingsx]

What doe sit mean when it says this, "Killers operate at half 'value?'"

[Nick]

Also, do you think it is worth lynching our own citizens?
Seems out there, but my head is debating the idea.

If you are referring to Titus, evidences suggest otherwise.

If any random Citizen, we could give their last will suspects greater priority for lynch tomorrow.

[Glip]

What doe sit mean when it says this, "Killers operate at half 'value?'"

Okay, after reading the setup, I believe it means that they will only hit for .5 life when they normally hit for 1 life.

Which would explain why I was "attacked and crippled" but still alive.

I also believe that the "not" in my PM was a typo that should be "now".

[Nick]

What doe sit mean when it says this, "Killers operate at half 'value?'"

They stick their knife up your arse instead of through your heart.

[Banshis]

Reading over the posts atm.

[Banshis]

@Banshis
Should we or should we not lynch Witch?

I would prefer to lynch the Witch since in most cases it is going to cause more harm than any good for the town. Also Investigator should NOT out today since mm could potentially kill our doctor then. Answering those quickly.

[Banshis]

I have a question!
If we were to find out who the MM were, and assuming our Investigator is still alive, should we lynch knowing we could lose to town roles?
I do think we should because killing and stuff, but a question I would like to hear the opinion of the people.

Well we should kill the MM regardless since he is a huge threat. As for random lynching it is possible, but with a town aligned Sk then he could kill suspects too.

[Banshis]

Also regarding Glips feedback it basically means Glip was attacked by the sk and she didn't leave the house. If Glip didn't know he was in the game and never sent in an action it has to mean sk since MM doesn't hit the host. With no other feedback it means the mm didn't hit anyone then.

[Nick]

I would prefer to lynch the Witch since in most cases it is going to cause more harm than any good for the town. Also Investigator should NOT out today since mm could potentially kill our doctor then. Answering those quickly.

I claim Investigator. Titus is Witch.

Discuss.


Well we should kill the MM regardless since he is a huge threat. As for random lynching it is possible, but with a town aligned Sk then he could kill suspects too.

I demand higher town KPN.

[Titus]

No I am the doctor you idiot! Trying not to get my ass killed. Thanks a lot Nick.

[Banshis]

Although what do you guys think about Ganondorf? He usually rights huge wall text posts and tries to scumhunt, but here he trolled on day 1 saying he only trolled because of no lynch and because with TPR's he doesn't have to worry as much. Then he hasn't posted any discussion yet today. I don't know his timezone, but I am keeping my FoS on him for now.

Titus' random citizen claim or hint at it disturbs me too. Last thing we need to do is let the neutrals narrow down on the invest/doc.

@Nick I saw your claim of invest. MM will be too afraid to target you since he could accidently kill the evil sk. Going to think about the witch thing.

[Titus]

I need to rage post less often. I meant a doctor. :S I started as witch and then picked the doctor because we needed low KPN. Of course, if I SAY that, then I'm dead.

[Ganondorf]

I am just now awake (I went to bed right before Nick's first "some people claim DISCUSS" post) and I am very confused by Nick's behavior. First off, I really don't believe his investigator claim nor do I believe that Titus is the witch. I think that, if anything, Titus would be a serial killer random claiming cit to cover herself in the future. Nick certainly isn't an investigator because that would be suicidal for when the double killer-value night comes up.

[Ganondorf]

Also, in regards to all of your role lists which suggest that roles have already changed, doesn't a leader (investigator/MM) have to die before a variable role can change (which means no extra SKs and no witch change)?

[Ganondorf]

Looking at the setup, there are several conclusions that I have reached:
A) the random vests distributed tonight mean that lynching is highly preferable to letting a town-aligned SK kill
B) town aligned SKs are currently impossible
C) on night 3, the SK will be more dangerous than the MM because, as a static role, he gains a 'double use ability.'

What does a 'double use ability' mean with regards to the SK and the doctor (can 2 people be targeted, can both be used on same person, is it just a double powered version of usual ability)?

I suspect Titus could be the SK, but first of all (in the words of Nick)

DISCUSS

[Slaol]

No I am the doctor you idiot! Trying not to get my ass killed. Thanks a lot Nick.

This claim or defense or whatever this is is terrible.
Titus

Nick, your question about what Invest should do it not one i'm very able to answer as I have no opened he setup lol.

[Banshis]

I was thinking if Titus is the variable witch and Nick is the investigator then it puts Nick in a good position. Witch can turn on us still. The way I see it is that-

Witch/Doctor Heals Nick
If Nick dies then kill witch
If Witch dies to mass murderer then so be it. Witch could always turn and we have 1 less possible enemy.
Nick can't die from mm or sk while being healed.
Also for the static Doctor he can heal someone else and avoid getting hit by mm.

So if Titus is the witch who went doctor then we can use her if she wants to stay alive.

[Slaol]

Witch/Doctor Heals Nick

Witch can heal? O.o

[Banshis]

Witch can heal? O.o

Well Titus claimed witch who decided to switch to doctor apparently.

[Banshis]

I need to rage post less often. I meant a doctor. :S I started as witch and then picked the doctor because we needed low KPN. Of course, if I SAY that, then I'm dead.

Here.

[creedkingsx]

Titus

[Slaol]

I also should note that Titus isn't playing like herself. Ika mentioned it, and it is very true. Titus is da scums dudes. Burn the Witch!

[Damus_Graves]

Disclaimer: I sent Glip a rolecard via skype. Glip has satisfied the warning requirements.

[Nick]

Any replacement for Chane?

[Banshis]

I also should note that Titus isn't playing like herself. Ika mentioned it, and it is very true. Titus is da scums dudes. Burn the Witch!

Yea it is kinda obvious she isn't playing like her normal self. Although I won't vote yet since it will put her at L-1 and we still have plenty of time. She prolly is still a witch and never went to doc.

[Titus]

Yeah. Let's see here. I can't do jack to help if y'all lynch me. I also can't do jack if killed. It seems like we've got another FoS Titus game.

What about my behavior is different? Saying we shouldn't be stupid. Check. Active posting check. Getting annoyed at ika and Slaol check.

[Slaol]

Disclaimer: I sent Glip a rolecard via skype. Glip has satisfied the warning requirements.

I want my role card!

[Slaol]

Getting annoyed at Slaol check.

But see, you are not trying to lynch me. Therefore you are not Titus. SHUN THE NON-BELIEVER!!!!

[Nick]

Yeah. Let's see here. I can't do jack to help if y'all lynch me. I also can't do jack if killed. It seems like we've got another FoS Titus game.

What about my behavior is different? Saying we shouldn't be stupid. Check. Active posting check. Getting annoyed at ika and Slaol check.

Will reply to this and on previous game after this game ends.

Personally, I don't know much about your style.

[Nick]

By the way, any former Witch counter claim?

Regarding Ganondorf's statement:
Can variables change roles D1/N1 before Leader is dead?

[Nick]

@Titus
Why didn't you tell us whom you witched? Strange for you to miss that.

[Titus]

@Titus
Why didn't you tell us whom you witched? Strange for you to miss that.

I didn't want to reveal that because y'all would laugh but I witchd no one. A town aligned player doesn't screw things up so early. I used my night to change my alignment. N1 is the only time I can voluntarily change my alignment for quite awhile.

[Slaol]

A town aligned player doesn't screw things up so early.

Lol

Double Vote

*credit to Poriomania for the thing I've done here*

[Nick]

Lol

Double Vote

*credit to Poriomania for the thing I've done here*

Oh. You noticed it too. I refrained myself from throwing rocks at Titus who is already under the well.

[Nick]

A town aligned player doesn't screw things up so early.

Correct answer is "I don't want to die to MM and die as a neutral".

[Slaol]

Just burn the witch already. Come on.

[Titus]

Correct answer is "I don't want to die to MM and die as a neutral".

That's the correct town answer. The correct scum answer is... No one because I didn't want to mess with your kills. The truth is, the longer the town partially questions but doesn't completely question my alignment the better. I can't change it until N4 anyway and I'm stuck if Nick dies.

[Slaol]

God that answer was so scummy it hurts.

[Titus]

God that answer was so scummy it hurts.

That answer was so neutral I just don't give a fuck. Changed it for you.

[Ganondorf]

Correct answer is "I don't want to die to MM and die as a neutral".

MM couldn't even kill yesterday: there is no reason why a witch wouldn't witch because of fear of death.

The investigator could just convert Titus, you know: there's no reason to lynch him.

[Ganondorf]

*Her

[Nick]

That's the correct town answer. The correct scum answer is... No one because I didn't want to mess with your kills. The truth is, the longer the town partially questions but doesn't completely question my alignment the better. I can't change it until N4 anyway and I'm stuck if Nick dies.

Because you are a logical thinker, it is easier to read you than other "less intelligent" players. Your weakness is failing to immerse yourself in another role, something not easy to do (that's why scum just lurk).

The SOLE reason a real Witch jump to town immediately is only to avoid dieing as a neutral, before victor is clear. Full stop.
Not taking action is correct. But the REAL reason is only avoid dying to MM. End of.

Confirmed you are not Witch. Town Doctor will just come clear. Same for Town Witch. Neutral Witch will just plead for their lives.

Not Serial Killer either. Will just claim Citizen until the end.

Guess Mass Murderer.

At this rate, whether I'm Investigator or not, and whether I even investigated you, does not matter at all.

Reason I FoSed you this game (excerpts from last will):


Titus - Variable because afraid of lynch, else Evil for the same reason

//

Tomorrow:
All Variable will go town because afraid early neutral deaths. Totally gamebreaking if everyone roleclaim. Scum gonna get lynched.

Investigator {Leader}
Citizen {Static}
Citizen {Static}
Serial Killer {Variable}
Serial Killer {Variable}
Citizen {Static}
Doctor {Static}
Mass Murder {Leader}
Serial Killer {Static}
Doctor {Variable}

Will claim confirmed Investigator who is confused about setups and false accuse Titus as Witch for being afraid about lynches. Too bad no ammunition against Slaol. Not mass roleclaim because limited to Doctors.

Key is kill MM asap.

[Titus]

You've pretty much just explained why I'm a neutral witch but you say that's why I'm not a neutral witch. What have I been doing the entire time... pleading for my life. *shrug*

At this point, y'all are going to scum hunt or you're not. I'm not putting my neck out there for you to actually do that.

[Nick]

MM couldn't even kill yesterday: there is no reason why a witch wouldn't witch because of fear of death.

The investigator could just convert Titus, you know: there's no reason to lynch him.


Night One: Leader Action disabled; Killers operate at half "value"


Night One: Leader Action disabled; Killers operate at half "value"
Investigator and MM can't act and SK does -0.5?
It means that leaders cannot use their leadership like abilities for that night and yes kills are at -.5.

MM can kill but not recruit.

Anyway MM is going to extend day no lynch today. So...

If evil SKs have brains, they will not kill tonight and plead Investigators to recruit tomorrow.

Or we may suggest Witch to witch Titus to Investigator. What do you guys think?

[Slaol]

Too bad no ammunition against Slaol.


Dafuq does this mean?

[Ganondorf]

Wait, what? I'm on my phone at the moment and I'll be back on my computer in an hour or two at which point I have some questions to ask because I am just lost :P

[Nick]

You've pretty much just explained why I'm a neutral witch but you say that's why I'm not a neutral witch. What have I been doing the entire time... pleading for my life. *shrug*

At this point, y'all are going to scum hunt or you're not. I'm not putting my neck out there for you to actually do that.

Because your answers are flip-flopping between neutral witch, town witch and town doctor. Even now I don't know what exactly you are claiming.

If you are already town, you WILL voluntarily putting your neck out. Suggesting that you are neutral.
But then, you said you only changed your alignment (to town perhaps) and remained as Witch.
But that's after claiming town Doctor.

What can I do but accuse you as MM?
We won't be discussing all this if you are SK.

[Nick]

Dafuq does this mean?

Don't feel like revealing it now.

[Nick]

Hope to see your body chopped up by 2 town SK and 1 "repented evil" SK tomorrow. Bye.

[Damus_Graves]

What doe sit mean when it says this, "Killers operate at half 'value?'"

They take away half life from a target, leaving the target roleblocked for the rest of the game unless healed.


Looking at the setup, there are several conclusions that I have reached:
A) the random vests distributed tonight mean that lynching is highly preferable to letting a town-aligned SK kill
B) town aligned SKs are currently impossible
C) on night 3, the SK will be more dangerous than the MM because, as a static role, he gains a 'double use ability.'

What does a 'double use ability' mean with regards to the SK and the doctor (can 2 people be targeted, can both be used on same person, is it just a double powered version of usual ability)?

I suspect Titus could be the SK, but first of all (in the words of Nick)

DISCUSS

They attack for -2 thus negating heals.


Any replacement for Chane?

If he is still absent at the end of the day he will be replaced.

[Damus_Graves]

By the way, any former Witch counter claim?

Regarding Ganondorf's statement:
Can variables change roles D1/N1 before Leader is dead?

They can begin changing tonight. At the end game, which is achieved if a leader dies or three players are dead this ability becomes locked. Once another/a leader dies it is once again unlocked.

[Nick]

They can begin changing tonight.

You mean yesterday night?

[Titus]

Because your answers are flip-flopping between neutral witch, town witch and town doctor. Even now I don't know what exactly you are claiming.

If you are already town, you WILL voluntarily putting your neck out. Suggesting that you are neutral.
But then, you said you only changed your alignment (to town perhaps) and remained as Witch.
But that's after claiming town Doctor.

What can I do but accuse you as MM?
We won't be discussing all this if you are SK.

That confusion is precisely the point. I have to survive both the MM and a town lynch and my pairing's been outed. So I obfuscate.

[Damus_Graves]

No I mean tonight. Day One, during the day, was the time for variables to use their ability.

[Slaol]

Could one the things that changes alignment have changed last night?

[Damus_Graves]

Could one the things that changes alignment have changed last night?

No

[Slaol]

No

Were they able to submit the change night action?

[Slaol]

No I mean tonight. Day One, during the day, was the time for variables to use their ability.

Please do not use 'Day one' in explaining answers when you are not posting official Days in the Day start posts. Was the first day a Day 1 or a Day 0?

[Nick]

No I mean tonight. Day One, during the day, was the time for variables to use their ability.


Day One: No lynch, Eligible for Variations to change their role.
Night One: Leader Action disabled; Killers operate at half "value"

Day Two: Leader may opt for extended day at the cost of lynch ability.
Night Two: Leader Action enabled; Double dose of Killer deadlyness; Vests given at random

Day Three: Standard day
Night Three: Static gain double ability use.


Visits
Doctor Heal
Kills
Witching
Investigations
Alignment/Role Changes

Am I correct?
D1 Variable choose (change at end of N1)
N2 Leader choose (change at end of N2)

Just to confirm what day is today?

[Damus_Graves]

Were they able to submit the change night action?

They were able to submit a change action during the day. Not at night.

Please do not use 'Day one' in explaining answers when you are not posting official Days in the Day start posts. Was the first day a Day 1 or a Day 0?

I didnt feel the need to post the obvious.

Yesterday was Day One, the night that followed was Night One.



Am I correct?
D1 Variable choose (change at end of N1)
N2 Leader choose (change at end of N2)


Just to confirm what day is today?

Yes. If a varible had chosen to change during the day it would have gone into effect at the end of the night phase. Your question about leader is correct.
Today is Day Two.



A Leader has opted to extend the day.

[Nick]

Likely fail to lynch scum Titus today.

Town Witch witch Titus to Nick.
Serial Killers kill Titus.

Evil Serial Killer reveal now so that Investigator can convert you tonight.

Only loser is MM. GG.

[Damus_Graves]

A Leader has opted for a Lynch Day. Coin flip in progress

[Titus]

Witch myself to you Nick? That wouldn't do anything. Witching you to me would ensure you investigated me Nick and I think that's your point right?

[Damus_Graves]

The result is Heads: 7 | Tails: 5. The Day will not be extended

[Nick]

Witch myself to you Nick? That wouldn't do anything. Witching you to me would ensure you investigated me Nick and I think that's your point right?

Truly a gem of jester play.

[Ganondorf]

OK I'm back, and my first question is:

When does the day end?

Hearing about how the variable mechanic actually works debunked some of my previous assumptions, but it still leads me to wonder about several things. I'm still confused on this (I believe it was somewhat answered before, but I never fully understood it):

So can a variable citizen only change into a town-aligned SK, or can they choose to become a neutral SK or even a neutral citizen?

Titus

Nick, you absolutely baffle me, but somewhere in your exchange with Titus something was said that was true and something had to be a lie (captain obvious, I know), and I want to know what she is so I can figure things out. I don't really follow your logic or your statements, though, and I am going to look over them again to see if I can't follow your logic trail.

[Damus_Graves]

All of the above are correct. The Day ends at 1:33 AM

[Muso]

I find the time logs on when the Leaders messaged Damus quite interesting.

I just woke up (hence absence). Other than that i will just be your sheep.

Titus

[The Godfather]

Titus has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Titus ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8790') (6 [L-0]): ika ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=358678'), Nick ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=358701'), Slaol ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=358772'), Creedkingsx ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=358777'), Ganondorf ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=358864'), Muso ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=358873')
Nick ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/2482') (1 [L-5]): Titus ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=358705')

[Damus_Graves]

Titus has been lynched! She was the Witch.

Night begins now and ends at 3:30 PM CST 8/4/2013

[Damus_Graves]

No deaths occured last night.

5


Azurie has replaced Chane!

[Nick]

Either pro-Doctor, "town-aligned" Serial Killer, or AFK Serial Killer.

Was Chane replaced?

[creedkingsx]

Good morning
My bets on afk SK. town-aligned SK benefits in no way.

[Slaol]

Do we get any kind of notification about Titus' alignment? Your setup is weird as balls and I am just like 'lolwtfishappening#'

[Azuriae]

Still at work; I'll be home in an hour and I'll get up to speed with the days so far.

[Nick]

Suggested claim order:

Group 1

Azuriae
Muso
Ganondorf

Group 2

Glip
Slaol
ika

Group 3

Banshis
Creedkingsx
Nick

I choose 1 -> 2-> 3

DISCUSS.

[Slaol]

Suggested claim order:

Group 1


Group 2


Group 3


I choose 1 -> 2-> 3

DISCUSS.

Agreed with the general idea, however I will let Group 1 'Discuss' before I state more thoughts. Also, i'm not entirely sure what claiming will do in this setup, as apposed to the normal game shattering it usually does. But unless you are Orpz claiming Doctor immediately it shouldn't hurt us at all.

[Nick]

In that case:

Should we role claim?

1. Yes
2. No

Everyone state your reasons. Pros and cons.

[ika]

I'm at work so I really type much but im not against the role call. I'm off work Tom so i will be more in depth with it

[Nick]

I'm NEET.

[Muso]

Either pro-Doctor, "town-aligned" Serial Killer, or AFK Serial Killer.

Was Chane replaced?

You forgot that citizens have vests.

Also, did Day open early?

Am happy to claim.

[Slaol]

You forgot that citizens have vests.

What? The fuck is this setup?

[Muso]

What? The fuck is this setup?


Role Cards:
Citizen: Obtains a single use vest; manual




So I would conclude:

1. Slaol didn't read the setup.
2a. Slaol isn't a citizen?
2b. Slaol is a citizen who doesn't realise he has a vest?

[Slaol]

I will confirm possibility 1. I saw the odd role and alignment changing mechanic, signed, and stopped there. Really have no idea what is going on. Lol
Leaders can extend days (maybe)
Leaders can call lynch days (I think)

Lol no idea what this game is.

[Ganondorf]

So I would conclude:

1. Slaol didn't read the setup.
2a. Slaol isn't a citizen?
2b. Slaol is a citizen who doesn't realise he has a vest?

In Slaol's defense, this is a very weird setup, one that I'm still getting the hang of (and, unless you all are more special than me, the role PMs were hardly very informative or extravagant). However, I dislike the blatant ignorance in regards to the rules and setup mechanics: at least I tried to understand everything fully.

I'm fine with roleclaiming, but might I ask why we have to roleclaim in groups?


Host Rule: Mass Role Claiming on Day one or Two is not allowed as it has the potential to utterly break the setup

It's day 3 :P

[Azuriae]

Yay, Overtime.

I'll get up to speed ASAP. Sorry for the delay.

[Banshis]

Ok I am here now. Catching up.

[Ganondorf]

Yay, Overtime.

I'll get up to speed ASAP. Sorry for the delay.

Don't worry, you can't possibly be worse than Chane was. By the way, Nick, I don't see why Azuriae would be in your group 1. Assuming that Chane has been completely absent for the entire game so far, if he was the SK or the MM, any of the aforementioned roles' abilities would not have been used. However, Glip claimed to have been roleblocked on N1, which would only have been possible by an active SK. Also, we know from yesterday that both leaders exercised their ability to influence the day length. Therefore, if Chane/Azuriae was completely absent, he cannot possibly be the SK/MM and his roleclaim should be least necessary.

EDIT: Of course, if Glip was lying (unlikely, if you ask me), Azuriae could still be the SK: just covering all my bases.

[Muso]

Don't worry, you can't possibly be worse than Chane was. By the way, Nick, I don't see why Azuriae would be in your group 1. Assuming that Chane has been completely absent for the entire game so far, if he was the SK or the MM, any of the aforementioned roles' abilities would not have been used. However, Glip claimed to have been roleblocked on N1, which would only have been possible by an active SK. Also, we know from yesterday that both leaders exercised their ability to influence the day length. Therefore, if Chane/Azuriae was completely absent, he cannot possibly be the SK/MM and his roleclaim should be least necessary.

EDIT: Of course, if Glip was lying (unlikely, if you ask me), Azuriae could still be the SK: just covering all my bases.

These are wise words.

[Banshis]

Suggested claim order:

Group 1


Group 2


Group 3


I choose 1 -> 2-> 3

DISCUSS.

I'm all for roleclaiming, but were the groups just made random? or is there a plan for us to reveal in that order?

[ika]

I find the time logs on when the Leaders messaged Damus quite interesting.

I just woke up (hence absence). Other than that i will just be your sheep.

Titus

im here and checking in again i just want to point this out but the post kinda rubs me weird for some reason. muso does bring a vaild point though we need to figure out the time frames of when they could of sent it. something about this post makes me think muso was one of the leaders but then again ehhh.

im thinking muso could of faked his absense and then make it look like this but i dunno for sure its just something that seems to kinda pick at me for some reason.

also nick if we are gonna role claim the person who ask for it should always be the one to do it first

[Muso]

im here and checking in again i just want to point this out but the post kinda rubs me weird for some reason. muso does bring a vaild point though we need to figure out the time frames of when they could of sent it. something about this post makes me think muso was one of the leaders but then again ehhh.

im thinking muso could of faked his absense and then make it look like this but i dunno for sure its just something that seems to kinda pick at me for some reason.

also nick if we are gonna role claim the person who ask for it should always be the one to do it first

Fair call.

Seeing as this is your theory, would you mind going back and finding the timestamps of when the Leaders made their actions, then converting them to Australian time, and tell us what you got. Thanks!

[Azuriae]

Well, I am completely confused by the setup. Never would have expected a S-FM to have these kind of mechanics.
If you guys are dead set on getting a roleclaim from me, I will. Though It may not be beneficial to us.

I'll get a good reread on everyone's posts.

[Nick]

If we rule out Glip and Azuriae...

In pairs in this order?

P1

Banshis
ika

P2

Creedkingsx
Slaol

P3

Ganondorf
Muso

I claimed yesterday, so unless someone wants to counterclaim me...

Suggest P3 -> P2 -> P1

[Nick]

Glip

If Citizen, he is not helping
If Doctor, he is doomed
If Investigator, I'm better.

[Nick]

Oh and lets vote whom should Town Serial Killer kill tonight.

Can kill 2 person. I say...

Banshis, Muso or Creedkingsx

DISCUSS.

[Muso]

Oh and lets vote whom should Town Serial Killer kill tonight.

Can kill 2 person. I say...

Banshis, Muso or Creedkingsx

DISCUSS.

Can I ask why my name is there, and not other players?

[Nick]

You are more suspicious than Ganondorf.

Explain why you hammer to end day early.

And are you claiming that nothing happened to you yesterday night?

[Muso]

You are more suspicious than Ganondorf.

Explain why you hammer to end day early.

And are you claiming that nothing happened to you yesterday night?

Do you have any reason to back up that statement?

I hammered inadvertently. I didn't realize my vote was a hammer, not that it mattered because the quality of the day chat was abyssmal.

Nothing happened to me last night.

[Nick]

Do you have any reason to back up that statement?

I hammered inadvertently. I didn't realize my vote was a hammer, not that it mattered because the quality of the day chat was abyssmal.

Nothing happened to me last night.

You contributed less (than Ganondorf).

You said quality of daychat is abyssmal yet did nothing to improve it.

[Nick]

Doctor need not to be afraid of being converted. Since MM will only Citizen -> SK

[Damus_Graves]

Do we get any kind of notification about Titus' alignment? Your setup is weird as balls and I am just like 'lolwtfishappening#'
Nope :)


Hint: This setup was built to test intelligence.

[Muso]

You said quality of daychat is abyssmal yet did nothing to improve it.

I already stated there is nothing I can do.

Scum aren't on a team and don't know each other's identities. There's no reason for them to slip anything. We have almost 0 information, and yesterday had even less.

I don't know what you expect me to contribute, because I have 0 to respond to, and 0 pms to respond to, and 0 information about what happened at night to respond to.

If I was going to contribute anything, it would be to say that you are playing your usual illogical style of play, and provide 0 reasoning for your "plans". But given that at least you have a plan, and any plan is favourable to no plan, I am not objecting to them.

Damus clearly gave me this role because he knew I wouldn't rage-quit upon receiving it, but that doesn't mean I can think of anything to say. This role is OP.

[Ganondorf]

Oh and lets vote whom should Town Serial Killer kill tonight.

This is complete MM bait: assuming there are town SKs out there, voting on who they should target is only going to get them killed. Also, why is Banshis on that list? I think Creed deserves to be there, and I can see why Muso is there, but I don't see why Banshis should be a target at this moment. I do agree with you about Glip, though: if he is a doctor, he's permaroleblocked and useless and he has barely posted enough to justify keeping him in the game at all (on that note, I guess the '5 posts a day minimum' rule is out).

[Nick]

@Muso
I'm illogical yes. But at least I try to polarize town so that we can get some reads. You absolutely did nothing. You have zero reasons to be afraid of being converted. And if you are killed at least your team is moving towards victory.

@Ganondorf
So you think ika instead of Banshis should be killed.

MM bait? Isn't that good? At least die as town. And nobody else converted.

[Muso]

What about that role-claiming idea, what happened to that?

We can at least force scum into telling a public lie.

Nick, you made 3 groups of people, and preferenced which groups you wanted to claim first. I wasn't entirely sure what your reasoning for this was over a mass claim though. I'm not opposed to your idea, I just want to know your thinking. Was it to force the most suspicious people to claim first?

[Nick]

I never said my ideas are the best. Let others discuss and decide.

But yeah. Most suspicious claim first.

Remember to state whom you want killed because they are suspicious.

[Muso]

I'll go first then.

I am a Citizen. I don't know if I'm variable/ or static, and I never tried to change my role because after we killed the Witch the odds of Town going up only increased. Also, who would want to change from Citizen? You get vests and have 0 night responsibilities. I haven't vested yet, because I figured scum didn't have much to gain from attacking me, and I didn't believe in the existence of a Town killer last night. Apparently I get more vests tonight.

[Nick]

@Muso

Who do you want dead?

Who should we lynch?

[Muso]

@Muso

Who do you want dead?

Who should we lynch?

I'm not really sure.

Nick, I think you're Town.

I don't believe I've ever played with Banshis before and am not getting much of a read on him.

Ganondorf is hard to read too, because he often seems scummy, but then he often rolls scum which makes it confusing.

Slaol talks, but is acting like he hasn't read the setup. He probably hasn't, but then again the setup is very short to read albeit confusing. I think most of us have problems understanding this setup due to the complexity of it, not due to the length of it. Even if he hasn't read it, that lack of commitment to the game is grounds enough to want him dead in itself I guess.

Creed is afk, which is pretty standard for creed :D. He could be anything, but unlikely to be any kind of town powerhouse role.

Azuriae promised us some more posts after he'd re-read things, but they never came. I don't blame him though, because I can't think of a lot to say either.

Glip - is Glip even in this game? I think it's a mistake to believe he's afk just because he's a Cit. Because Glip seems to be afk in games, regardless of his role.

Ika. Stuck out to me for suggesting I was one of the Leaders. His theory is entirely plausible, but seemed improbable to me, which made me wonder if he was trying to send the town down the wrong path. Then again, I am of course biased in this case, because he was accusing me of lying and of course I'm going to instinctively find that scummy.

Not sure what that all gives us. I guess to preserve the integrity of the game I would like to kill the least active players first. That at least could act as an incentive for the rest to talk, and then potentially make a slip, or give us information we can use.

I don't have any sound stats on the exact numbers of posts people have made, it's all from my vague memory, but the order I would like people to die in:

Glip, Creed, Slaol, Ika, Azuriae, Ganondorf, Banshis, Nick, Muso.

[Nick]

@Muso
If you are free, suggest some strategies for the Investigator. I'm leaving for a few hours.

[Muso]

@Muso
If you are free, suggest some strategies for the Investigator. I'm leaving for a few hours.

Unfortunately, it kinda seems as though the one useful PR we had (Investigator) has been rendered woefully weak since we lynched the Witch. Scum are obviously going to hide amongst the citizens because that's the most plentiful role, which makes it impossible for the Investigator to find a Serial Killer. The Investigator has a 66% chance of catching a Mass Murderer so hunting him has to be the way to go.

I would look at the Citizen claimants/ people refusing to claim and check them in the hope that one of them returns a non-citizen result. That would then be my Mass Murderer candidate and I would instantly reveal it to the Town so we could lynch them.

Edit: Even better. Given that the Mass Murderer is a Leader, I would make some educated guesses based on Day 2 to improve my chances of checking him. We saw the Scum Leader take action in Day 2. I would look at who was active at that time, and although it's entirely possible they could have been lurking, there is information there. Because either you have a lurker Mass Murderer, or you have somebody who was active around the time. It would seem to considerably reduce the likelihood that the Mass Murderer is an active player who was not active at that time.

[Nick]

Roleclaims:


Nick - Investigator
Muso - Citizen (???)
Azuriae
Glip - MM
Creedkingsx
Slaol - Serial Killer
ika
Ganondorf
Banshis

[Banshis]

I am here for the moment and I claim Citizen also. I think I'm static since I haven't tried switching roles, but I haven't used my vest yet. I'd be fine with being mass murder bait if it was possible. Mass murder can't kill me since I am a citizen and don't move anywhere. He leaves the host alive. If Serial Killer is afk then that means that Glip was attacked by the mass murderer n1 and that means Glip was a visiting roles. Also if Glip is the evil serial killer it means she is perma roleblocked from doing any harm to the town.

[ika]

lo and behold ika awkakens, seeing how we are talking bout things like this i am will stary with muso. yes it may seem like i think you are scum and you do have some reasoning. its just seems like the convienence of you comming on and hammering titus after it failed was the thing. I have player sevral games with you before and seen you cit-like playstyle before. i have also seen you play other roles and when you played you were an active contibutier. remmeber slave code? all cits (mostly) you were active in that and pushed real hard with just about no investigative results. jester was more being a jester ploy in power gain. and the latest one music where you were citizen you were still ragy as always as a citizen. the fact that you are playing it diffrent here is what disturbs mes. is it possible you are citizen, yes. do i think you are citizen, not 100%

[Muso]

lo and behold ika awkakens, seeing how we are talking bout things like this i am will stary with muso. yes it may seem like i think you are scum and you do have some reasoning. its just seems like the convienence of you comming on and hammering titus after it failed was the thing. I have player sevral games with you before and seen you cit-like playstyle before. i have also seen you play other roles and when you played you were an active contibutier. remmeber slave code? all cits (mostly) you were active in that and pushed real hard with just about no investigative results. jester was more being a jester ploy in power gain. and the latest one music where you were citizen you were still ragy as always as a citizen. the fact that you are playing it diffrent here is what disturbs mes. is it possible you are citizen, yes. do i think you are citizen, not 100%

Lol what? I was not in the music S-FM. We have only played 2 games together, Ika.

[Muso]

I'm not sure when this day ends, but I'm about to go to sleep and I fear it may be before I awaken again.

Glip

Seems like a lynchable guy, and the best bet for my advance vote if people want to pursue a lynch today.

Good night all.

[ika]

Lol what? I was not in the music S-FM. We have only played 2 games together, Ika.

ok i think it might of been sen, i thought it was you for some reason.

*derpface here*

[Banshis]

Glip

I don't know how reliable my internet is here so placing my vote. I'll try to be on at the end of the day.

[Nick]

Decide whether to shoot Muso/Banshis who claimed Citizen...

or get people like Creedkingsx/Slaol/Azuriae

[ika]

i think muso becasue his vote on glip. we know glip is crippled (or can guess so becasue he claimed it) so muso is trying to wast time on it

[Banshis]

Decide whether to shoot Muso/Banshis who claimed Citizen...

or get people like Creedkingsx/Slaol/Azuriae

I'm fine with getting shot if it helps. Although I'm voting Glip since he lurks and is very scummy, but if he is perma roleblocked right now he can't do anything to us if he is bad. It probably would be better to hunt for a different target. I think Glip is the evil sk who is perma roleblocked.

[ika]

I'm fine with getting shot if it helps. Although I'm voting Glip since he lurks and is very scummy, but if he is perma roleblocked right now he can't do anything to us if he is bad. It probably would be better to hunt for a different target. I think Glip is the evil sk who is perma roleblocked.

then plz explain how he got crippled.

plus he has a power of a vote. if anything he will probally be replaced soon

[Nick]

I'm fine with getting shot if it helps. Although I'm voting Glip since he lurks and is very scummy, but if he is perma roleblocked right now he can't do anything to us if he is bad. It probably would be better to hunt for a different target. I think Glip is the evil sk who is perma roleblocked.

So in place of getting shot tonight. Whom to you want lynched today?

Been thinking Slaol. Not Citizen. Unless he claim something else, lynch him.

Or parade those you don't trust as Citizen at firing range.

Going to sleep. Nite.

[Nick]

I'm open to lynching Muso/Slaol/Glip.

Shooting Creedkingsx/Banshis/Azuriae.

Will hammer.

[Banshis]

I'm open to lynching Muso/Slaol/Glip.

Shooting Creedkingsx/Banshis/Azuriae.

Will hammer.

I'd say lynch Muso. Glip is roleblocked so he isn't a threat. Then you can shoot me. It makes it so the mass murderer can't recruit either of us.

[Banshis]

then plz explain how he got crippled.

plus he has a power of a vote. if anything he will probally be replaced soon

I don't know if we are notified if we got attacked if u vested, but either the sk or mm hit Glip and we should have had a kill last night. It means sk is afk or crippled. No one claimed attacked and healed yet so we know sk didn't attack.

[ika]

I don't know if we are notified if we got attacked if u vested, but either the sk or mm hit Glip and we should have had a kill last night. It means sk is afk or crippled. No one claimed attacked and healed yet so we know sk didn't attack.

but that means glip would have to be sk and hit the mm location. non other has claimed crippled so its impossible for himt o be an sk. mm maybe but he cant move right now.

my choise is on muso and a kill on slaol

muso

[ika]

if a citzen vest and is attacked are they notified? what if a citizen vest and a doc heals the cit would it survive the double attack?

[Damus_Graves]

if a citzen vest and is attacked are they notified? what if a citizen vest and a doc heals the cit would it survive the double attack?

Yes, Yes.

[ika]

how will the doctor work under the double static abilty tongiht? as far as i see its now a +2 which counters an sk -2

LOOPHOLES FTW

[Glip]

Hey, it seems some people are claiming roles today, so why not me?

The skype message Damus sent me simply said "you are citizen im mah game" (typo intact). That's about all I got. I don't understand any of this static/variable business. I don't know how I would change my role even if I could, nor what I would or could change into. So it looks like I'll just stay as Citizen whether I'm variable or not.

I received no PM's last night, so I guess nothing happened to me. I also assume I'm still crippled from the night 1 hit, which it seems does nothing except from preventing me from using a vest I apparently have, according to the setup.

I haven't been giving this game its due diligence. Host should probably replace me, or you guys should lynch me so there's no more diligence to give ^.^

[Azuriae]

Yeah, apologies for the delay, I ended up falling asleep.

I'm still pretty confused by the setup (Especially since apparently citizens don't know if they are Statics/Variables...)
When I replaced Chance, I got my rolecard the same way Glip did, with close to little information at first; I have to say, I am much more wary of ,exemple, Muso. And to me, the train on Glip only feels like scum trying to push a lynch onto an innocent player.
This is just my gut feeling right now.

Also, I'll give brownie points to Ganondorf for his argument for me not being MM/possibly SK. Props for that; well thought.

[Ganondorf]

@Ganondorf
So you think ika instead of Banshis should be killed.

MM bait? Isn't that good? At least die as town. And nobody else converted.

Wait, whaaaaa.... where does ika come into play here? I don't think Banshis should be killed, but it's creed I believe should take his place right now on account of the fact that he hasn't really contributed much to the game IMO. Looking at his posts, his only significant posts were 109 (after the MM is dead, a bit far-thinking if you ask me), 114 (asking about lynching citizens), his vote on Titus, and 189 (a very brief SK opinion). Based on these posts, I would hardly consider him to be contributing much and I don't see why people seem to write him off so fast.

Well, I guess I'll continue the remarkably riveting role reveal: I am also a citizen. I was unaware on day 1 that it was possible to change roles, so I made my attempt to switch last night. I have not received any feedback from Damus (however, I too received a vest), so I'm assuming I'm static at this point.

Nick, I just understood why you want to shoot citizen, and I suppose you can add me to the list. I will probably be vesting tonight in an attempt to survive the evil serial killer.

Can a citizen use 2 vests on the same night and therefore survive a static serial-killer attack?

This game suffers seems to be suffering from several things, namely confusion regarding the setup and AFK/lurking players. Other than Muso (in the early FMs) and Titus/Banshis, I really haven't ever played with any of you guys and the other factors are screwing up my reads (I thought Titus was a citizen before she claimed witch :P). If I had to guess who he SK was, I'd say it is either Muso (post 233 "seems like a lynchable guy") or someone like creed. As for the MM, all I've really got is that it's not Azuraie... more on that later.