[neutral] lawyer

[Kirdaiht]

Description: A lawyer who sells legal protection to shady clients.
Goal: See to it that [client] survives.
Options: client cannot be town [def: on]
jester on defeat [def: off]
Lawyer may speak to client at night [def: on]
Must survive to the end [def: off]


Yeah. I feel like SC2 mafia could use some more neutral scum.

[Fubby]

Sounds pretty interesting imo. It doesnt look too strong (Like most suggestions here). It adds much more possibilites for coordination between people, and if they have a mafia client they must be vary wary of spies.

[kyle1234513]

sounds like another forced vote in favor the scum teams....
not that its OP or UP. its just forcing a player to help out another team, making it 4v9v2. town would lose voting power on day3. which would really be bad for town and difficult to win.

speaking to the target at night is also bad, because it proves the role to another person.

and jester on defeat would make the role super easy to win as, lawyer wouldn't even try to help his target, just turn jester and hang himself. because theres nothing that the lawyer can do to keep his target alive longer. it would be strictly chance that the lawyer wins or loses.

overall this role cant work because the lawyer has no abilities other than to talk to the person at night, which doesn't help his target stay alive any longer. so I would say no to this role.

[Kirdaiht]

sounds like another forced vote in favor the scum teams....
not that its OP or UP. its just forcing a player to help out another team, making it 4v9v2. town would lose voting power on day3. which would really be bad for town and difficult to win.

So? Difficult to win is not a bad thing. Nothing wrong with the town having to put some effort in their win.


speaking to the target at night is also bad, because it proves the role to another person.

That's the entire point. The lawyer can (if he chooses to) reveal himself to his client to coordinate.


and jester on defeat would make the role super easy to win as, lawyer wouldn't even try to help his target, just turn jester and hang himself. because theres nothing that the lawyer can do to keep his target alive longer. it would be strictly chance that the lawyer wins or loses.

That's why I'd say it should be def. off, in which case the lawyer suicides if his client is killed.


overall this role cant work because the lawyer has no abilities other than to talk to the person at night, which doesn't help his target stay alive any longer. so I would say no to this role.
He has the ability to talk in daychat, where he can defend his target against accusations.

[yzb25]

I think the lawyer should have 2 heals or something. Because 13/15 people die in mafia, so adding heals could allow the equivalent of a surv's BPF vest. That would pretty much put him on par with the other benigns. And I recommend an option to make him immune at night like exe? Because to me, this role kind of finishes the 4 benigns. (Make sure you survive, make sure you die, make sure another die, make sure another lives) So therefore, he should have the same capabilities of someone who is involved with someone else's life (and be immune) and he should have the same capabilities of someone who wants someone to survive, if you get what I mean.

Invest msg: godfather / lawyer / citi seems like a good idea because then godfather could defend his mafia buddies and just seem like a lawyer to the town.

Oh and uh, sorry about suggesting exactly what you did an hour later :P (I've genuinely been thinking of this role for a while now -_-)

[Kirdaiht]

I think the lawyer should have 2 heals or something. Because 13/15 people die in mafia, so adding heals could allow the equivalent of a surv's BPF vest. That would pretty much put him on par with the other benigns. And I recommend an option to make him immune at night like exe? Because to me, this role kind of finishes the 4 benigns. (Make sure you survive, make sure you die, make sure another die, make sure another lives) So therefore, he should have the same capabilities of someone who is involved with someone else's life (and be immune) and he should have the same capabilities of someone who wants someone to survive, if you get what I mean.

Invest msg: godfather / lawyer / citi seems like a good idea because then godfather could defend his mafia buddies and just seem like a lawyer to the town.

Oh and uh, sorry about suggesting exactly what you did an hour later :P (I've genuinely been thinking of this role for a while now -_-)

Heal is possible. He could also work as a reverse beguiler, redirecting all actions on his client to him (Which would allow the lawyer to save his client from investigations as well)

Also, if his client is always scum, he's neutral evil. Not neutral benign.

[yzb25]

Heal is possible. He could also work as a reverse beguiler, redirecting all actions on his client to him (Which would allow the lawyer to save his client from investigations as well)

Also, if his client is always scum, he's neutral evil. Not neutral benign.

But neutral evil cannot win with the town, all neutral evils have to be killed at some point. I (assume) lawyer doesn't need to be lynched? Just because a role on average deters on the town doesn't make it neutral evil and there is a chance he could be defending a town depending on the setting. And it makes more logical sense to pair lawyer with jester and executioner and survivor. Reverse beguiler sounds like an epic idea.

[eezstreet]

I'd support this.

[Kirdaiht]

If a lawyers target excludes town, he's evil in the sense that a lawyerwin will always exclude a townwin.

[yzb25]

If a lawyers target excludes town, he's evil in the sense that a lawyerwin will always exclude a townwin.
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Yeah but just like jester and executioner, even though town and the lawyer can't win together, the lawyer can still live to the end without the town having to lynch the lawyer.