S-FM 93 Amnesiac

[ika]

1. RAPTORBLAZE
2. titus
3. ckmistro
4. NoctiZ
5. dagaen
6. Azuriae
7. Banshis
8. Sinclair
9. Mateo
10. powerofdeath
11. 42shadow42
12. TheDarkestLight
13. RLVG

setup: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19488-S-FM-Amnesiac

nighttime: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=july+2+15%3A00+CST

epic rp is in setup (might add some later)


GL HF

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[Titus]

Random voting stage now.

Banshis

[Banshis]

Random voting stage now.

Banshis

Hello everyone. I see Titus beat me to the first vote. Dangit.

Mateo

I'll be back in a couple hours. Need to do some shopping.

[powerofdeath]

(hidden
Who the fuck is this guy?

[powerofdeath]

(hidden)
Woops

[Titus]

(hidden)

I want to know too.

[ika]

the hidden person will be revealed when the person comes to post

lets jsut say hes a specical guest

[NoctiZ]

Lynch hidden before he has a chance to appear!

(hidden)

[Raptorblaze]

-Dayshoot Titus

[RLVG]

(hidden)

Lynch the secret goverment guy.

[Dagaen]

the hidden person will be revealed when the person comes to post

lets jsut say hes a specical guest

Is it some kind of celebrity?:D

[RLVG]

-Dayshoot Titus

You're the hidden guy?
I knew it was someone of power.

[Dagaen]

Omg, it's Raptor!

[ika]

-Dayshoot Titus

and our special guest has arrived

also raptors shot missed titus she is still alive

[NoctiZ]

I love you Raptor, sign my babies!

*holds out baby*

[Raptorblaze]

and our special guest has arrived

also raptors shot missed titus she is still alive

Killing my fun.

-vote powerofdeath for trying to start a lynch train for no reason. Obv Scum. If town doesn't lynch you your ass is grass n2.

[RLVG]

NoctiZ

Since when did this guy have babies?

[Raptorblaze]

I love you Raptor, sign my babies!

*holds out baby*



/sign

[Titus]

I'm dayshot. That's happened before. The only other guy to do that was Nobody Special.

Hello Executioner... if killing me if you're goal... well good luck. LOL jk not real evidence of executioner there.

Anyway, now that we know who (hidden) is... I'm going back to my first random vote.

Banshis

[NoctiZ]

NoctiZ

Since when did this guy have babies?

I.. uh.. stole some.. no.. internet?.. no.. uhm.. Titus gave me hers? No.. uh.. ika gave birth to a boy!

[RLVG]

Godfather
Consort
Consort

Doctor
Journalist
Journalist
Vigilante
Vigilante
Jailor
Jailor

Executioner -> Jester
Executioner -> Jester

Bus Driver


/discuss

[Titus]

Offering up my babies... hmmm... you really are not off to a good start here.

NoctiZ

RVLG, kinda impossible to tell the setup at this point without even knowing what categories people had to choose from.

[NoctiZ]

Godfather
Consort
Consort

Doctor
Journalist
Journalist
Vigilante
Vigilante
Jailor
Jailor

Executioner -> Jester
Executioner -> Jester

Bus Driver


/discuss

Yep, you found it out, ika told me the roles. We can head home now!

[Dagaen]

And Epic Struggle between NoctiZ and Titus continues in another FM!:D

[NoctiZ]

And Epic Struggle between NoctiZ and Titus continues in another FM!:D

I wanted to say "Deja vu" earlier, but no such luck. And this feels different. This feels.. home. I returned to the Grove Street. Much changed, but it still feels like the same old shit is happening around these parts.

[RLVG]

I wanted to say "Deja vu" earlier, but no such luck. And this feels different. This feels.. home. I returned to the Grove Street. Much changed, but it still feels like the same old shit is happening around these parts.

Wildcard 10% confirmed.

[RLVG]

Why the hell is the night "4 months 21 days 23 hours 56 minutes 40 seconds ago"?

[Titus]

REalistically, the categories are most likely

Godfather
Half of the mafia roles
The other half of the mafia roles

Doctor
Investigative Roles
Investigative Roles
Killing Roles
Killing Roles
Protective Roles
Protective Roles

Neutrals, if PoD drew a neutral we can drop all pretense and go straight to jester with this one.
Neutrals

Neutral Killing/Wildcard

[NoctiZ]

Wildcard 10% confirmed.

Cool assumption brah. Is the Wildcard good or bad for town? *proceeds to go to Setup page*

[powerofdeath]

Rofl i spilled Cheeze its all over the floors /) . (\
brb 5 min

[ika]

Why the hell is the night "4 months 21 days 23 hours 56 minutes 40 seconds ago"?

???

mines says it ends reuglar time... let me try this one...

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=july+2+15%3A00+CST

[RLVG]

???

mines says it ends reuglar time... let me try this one...

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=july+2+15%3A00+CST

Aha, I get it now. You switched 02.07 / 07.02. :cheesy:

[powerofdeath]

Do we have to remember our role the first night or should we wait?

[powerofdeath]

Do we have to remember our role the first night or should we wait?

Ignore should, I meant could

[Titus]

Yeah. Europe and the US do their dates backwards from each other. It took me a minute to figure that out.

I think the setup is clear that we have to remember at the soonest possible time.

Can we remember and use our roles in the same night?

[ika]

Can we remember and use our roles in the same night?

all roles but be finalized by end of day one, if a player is picking a day action choing role they may alsopick a target along with it.

anybody not picked a role by end of day one will default to a citizen, neutrals and scums will be random.orged

but yes they may act come night one

[Mateo]

OMG I GET BACK AND SO MUCH HAS HAPPENED ALREADY

[Mateo]

also i was rbed last night so theres a consort

[powerofdeath]

mateo
lynch him before he become jester guys

[Mateo]

powerofdeath

this guy is always scum

[Titus]

also i was rbed last night so theres a consort

Wrong thread. People are just selecting their roles now. No way were you roleblocked.

[RLVG]

I have already picked a cool role.

[Mateo]

powerofdeath

lets make this interesting

REVEAL AS MARSHALL

42shadow42

[Mateo]

powerofdeath

lets make this interesting

REVEAL AS MARSHALL

42shadow42

grrr

42shadow42

[RLVG]

REVEAL AS MARSHALL

AMMAGAD WAT IS THIS

[powerofdeath]

Veteran, Vigilant, Jailor, corner, sheriff, escort, lookout, detective, bus driver, journalist, citizen
Town's options
This is my plan
Okay guys NOBODY BECOME ESCORT! It could cause huge confusion between consorts and escort
If sheriff is one of your options, take it!
If not take Jailor as our confirmed town roleblockers
Then you should pick lookout, or bd to protect me
if not get journalist, detective, or coroner, or vigilante
Vigilante should never shoot until told so!
Citizen will be your last option. I think Vet can become too random and miskill too many towns.
I am going to Claim a role. I am Wild Card. I will probably remember as Consigliere because it detect EXACT role!
I am town aligned.
I want someone to remember as a Lookout to look on me, or become Busdriver and swap me away. I rather Lookout to look on me because Bus Driver could swap me with X and X might get attacked.

Any comments? Disagreement? Questions? Counterclaim?
This is my real claim.

[Titus]

Umm you take consigliere, you become mafia. You essentially told us you want to join the mob.

Powerofdeath

[NoctiZ]

DAY EVENT

THIS GAME IS NOW A 5-STAR THREAD

[RLVG]

powerofdeath

Doesn't want to be lynched, claimed town aligned wildcard.

[powerofdeath]

Umm you take consigliere, you become mafia. You essentially told us you want to join the mob.

Powerofdeath

picking consigliere will make you be a town-like investigator but sees exact roles (GF and jester will show citizen)
look in set up

[Titus]

Taking consigliere would have the wildcard join the mafia correct or is that confusion in the setup from using the same name as a mafia role?

[ika]

REVEAL AS MARSHALL

Error: role is not in role list, plz try agian

[powerofdeath]

Wild Card is Town aligned? correct?

[Dagaen]

Consig is probably the best thing to choose as a wild-card.

I've already chose mine, I think you'll be happy^^

[Dagaen]

Wild card is always town-aligned! read da setup!

[powerofdeath]

Veteran, Vigilant, Jailor, corner, sheriff, escort, lookout, detective, bus driver, journalist, citizen
Town's options
This is my plan
Okay guys NOBODY BECOME ESCORT! It could cause huge confusion between consorts and escort
If sheriff is one of your options, take it!
If not take Jailor as our confirmed town roleblockers
Then you should pick lookout, or bd to protect me
if not get journalist, detective, or coroner, or vigilante
Vigilante should never shoot until told so!
Citizen will be your last option. I think Vet can become too random and miskill too many towns.
I am going to Claim a role. I am Wild Card. I will probably remember as Consigliere because it detect EXACT role!
I am town aligned.
I want someone to remember as a Lookout to look on me, or become Busdriver and swap me away. I rather Lookout to look on me because Bus Driver could swap me with X and X might get attacked.

Any comments? Disagreement? Questions? Counterclaim?
This is my real claim.

Updates: in order for me to find GF I want nobody to pick citizens
To the neuts: Please pick survivor! or anything that could side with town. Also please dont pick Jester

[Dagaen]

"Be warned taking on a mafia or arson role will make you susceptible to sheriff detections"

So you will appear as Mafia, but be town-aligned:P

[ika]

Taking consigliere would have the wildcard join the mafia correct or is that confusion in the setup from using the same name as a mafia role?

Wildcard is ALWAYS town regardless of role it takes, it may take a mafia/evil role it will just gain that ability that i had said in setup

example is withc: evile role, but in setup it states that it is STRICTLY TOWN aligned, it is in setup that says it

so overall, wildcard is twon no matter what roel he picks

the downside with taking mafia/evil roles is that you show mafia status to sheriff

[ika]

Wild Card is Town aligned? correct?

correct

[powerofdeath]

Now titus, please unvote and post your opinions on my plan.
Thank you.

[RLVG]

Wildcard, become a Serial Killer instead.

1. Immune.
2. Kill.
3. Confirmed Town.

[ika]

DAY EVENT

THIS GAME IS NOW A 5-STAR THREAD

LEGIT

[Titus]

I'm going to wait until the last possible moment to pick mine.

unvote

My bad powerofdeath. I misinterpreted what the sheriff lines meant.

[NoctiZ]

LEGIT

I am hereby acknowledged as host of this game.

[Titus]

@PoD, your plan is pretty good for your self but please don't try to plan what other people pick. People will naturally pick based off their own personalities if they have the choice to pick at all. What roles people claim to have picked will be a good indication of their alignment.

@RVLG, amnesiac cannot pick serial killer.

[powerofdeath]

Guys! This isnt a troll day. We need to discuss!

[Mateo]

pod is claiming to take a mafia role because he IS mafia

gg

[Dagaen]

I'm with powerofdeath on this plan.

Btw, Ika did hell of a job doing all those role descriptions. Guys, check out "THE EPIC RP" in setup, nice read!

[RLVG]

pod is claiming to take a mafia role because he IS mafia

gg

That could make sense also.
Inb4 vigilante.

[powerofdeath]

When you investigate someone night 1 will it show up as Amnesaic or their new roles?

[ika]

When you investigate someone night 1 will it show up as Amnesaic or their new roles?

new role

[Azuriae]

Oh, sorry for the delay, I actually just woke up.

Good afternoon everyone; quite the interesting setup.

Every single game I play with a troll day still makes me sad. We have plenty to talk about with the amnesiac special mechanics but most people would rather just send random votes left and there instead of really contributing. :(

[powerofdeath]

Oh, sorry for the delay, I actually just woke up.

Good afternoon everyone; quite the interesting setup.

Every single game I play with a troll day still makes me sad. We have plenty to talk about with the amnesiac special mechanics but most people would rather just send random votes left and there instead of really contributing. :(
You should read my plan and post your opinion on it

[Titus]

pod is claiming to take a mafia role because he IS mafia

gg

That's been clarified. Consig is an eligible role for wildcard.

I'm more concerned with RLVG. He's claimed that PoD should take a role not listed in the setup for wildcard and claimed that role would get immunity which is patently false.

[Mateo]

That's been clarified. Consig is an eligible role for wildcard.

I'm more concerned with RLVG. He's claimed that PoD should take a role not listed in the setup for wildcard and claimed that role would get immunity which is patently false.

lemme break it down into baby bits for you

pod roles maf amn, choses consig
tells town hes wildcard and gonna become town consig
appears as maf to invest roles but its dismissed because of prior wifom
lives to laugh at sheep at the end of the game

[RLVG]

That's been clarified. Consig is an eligible role for wildcard.

I'm more concerned with RLVG. He's claimed that PoD should take a role not listed in the setup for wildcard and claimed that role would get immunity which is patently false.

Thougth Wildcard could pick ALL roles.

"serial killer: deranged killer

kill someone each night
kills rbers (double roleblock will prevent kill)
immune at night"

Titus, you did not catch the immune part?

Titus

[powerofdeath]

lemme break it down into baby bits for you

pod roles maf amn, choses consig
tells town hes wildcard and gonna become town consig
appears as maf to invest roles but its dismissed because of prior wifom
lives to laugh at sheep at the end of the game

Did you know, Wildcard could easily counterclaim?

[NoctiZ]

lemme break it down into baby bits for you

pod roles maf amn, choses consig
tells town hes wildcard and gonna become town consig
appears as maf to invest roles but its dismissed because of prior wifom
lives to laugh at sheep at the end of the game

And real wildcard doesn't reveal so we get a scum lynched? Big hole.

[Titus]

Interesting, but it would require the real wildcard to cc him. That's too much of a risk for powerofdeath to take IMO.

[Titus]

Did you not read the part about Amnes only having a finite amount of roles to select from

Everyone (besides doctor and godfather) will be given an Amnesiac role card. The host will then pass out a set of role to each person the person will pick the role on day 1 and will become that role for remainder of game

Mafia may decide on roles on night 1 to talk with other members, they may also do their night action the same time they remember their roles

Example: you are a town aligned Amnesiac, you were originally a journalist or escort

Yes it can have more than 2 roles!

The color coding
red=mafia
green=town
teal=neutrals
yellow=wildcard

Spoiler : the wildcard :


the wildcard amnesiac is town aligned and may pick any town role from the listing given

picking survivor is like cit but gets vests (3 vests, does NOT win 1v1 tie)

picking arson will allow you to douse/undouse/burn people*

picking corrupt journalist will allow you to post articles for yourself as well as interview others

picking witch will make you witch but STRICTLY town aligned

picking consigliere will make you be a town-like investigator but sees exact roles (GF and jester will show citizen)

Be warned taking on a mafia or arson role will make you susceptible to sheriff detections

*you do not get night immunity

[Mateo]

such little faith

[Titus]

Logically, the wildcard can only pick from the listing given and DEFINITELY does not get night immunity. There's a slim chance I could be wrong about the breath of wildcard role choices, but the wildcard does not get night immunity.

[RLVG]

Did you not read the part about Amnes only having a finite amount of roles to select from

The fact that PoD reveals Wildcard day 1 claiming Consig->Town, with Consigliere being the best "town" role, how likely would that be then?

I'm now leaning more to Mafia receiving Consigliere.
PoD, claim all the roles that you can become.

[Dagaen]

Confirmed Doc in setup, PoD can feel quite safe with his claim. Also he will become very powerful Townie with protection and be our leader. Seems like a great start, so I'm in.

[Mateo]

Confirmed Doc in setup, PoD can feel quite safe with his claim. Also he will become very powerful Townie with protection and be our leader. Seems like a great start, so I'm in.

fellow mafia, prolly gf

[Titus]

What roles can the wildcard become?

[Titus]

Mafia will want to go after the wildcard. Let's just wait and see if anyone CCs PoD. If not, we can be reasonably certain PoD is the wildcard. If not, it will go into flux.

[Titus]

Also, even if by some off chance, wildcard becomes SK, it's clear he won't be immune at night. So can you unvote me because what I said was true RLVG?

[Dagaen]

Everything is so simple for you, Mateo. PoD claimed unique town role and if you guys feeling unsafe about it we can vote together on what he should choose. If you are certain PoD is Mafia we should tell him to choose Sheriff and check him at night. It may be waste of really good role though.

PoD, are you willing to choose whatever we tell you to choose?

[powerofdeath]

you may become any of these roles: consigliere, doctor, coroner, sheriff, escort, lookout, detective, bus driver, journalist, citizen, witch, corrupt journalist, arsonist, survivor

[powerofdeath]

Everything is so simple for you, Mateo. PoD claimed unique town role and if you guys feeling unsafe about it we can vote together on what he should choose. If you are certain PoD is Mafia we should tell him to choose Sheriff and check him at night. It may be waste of really good role though.

PoD, are you willing to choose whatever we tell you to choose?

Sure as long as its logical and helpful for the town

[Mateo]

Everything is so simple for you, Mateo. PoD claimed unique town role and if you guys feeling unsafe about it we can vote together on what he should choose. If you are certain PoD is Mafia we should tell him to choose Sheriff and check him at night. It may be waste of really good role though.

PoD, are you willing to choose whatever we tell you to choose?

things are only complicated when you let them be :D

[RLVG]

Also, even if by some off chance, wildcard becomes SK, it's clear he won't be immune at night. So can you unvote me because what I said was true RLVG?

SK is immune, but the Wildcard can't become it.

Dagaen

Feel like I need a vote on someone I don't trust.

[ika]

What roles can the wildcard become?

Possible wildcard roles: consigliere, doctor, coroner, sheriff, escort, lookout, detective, bus driver, journalist, citizen, witch, corrupt journalist, arsonist, survivor

additionaly:

picking survivor is like cit but gets vests (3 vests, does NOT win 1v1 tie)

picking arson will allow you to douse/undouse/burn people*

picking corrupt journalist will allow you to post articles for yourself as well as interview others

picking witch will make you witch but STRICTLY town aligned

picking consigliere will make you be a town-like investigator but sees exact roles (GF and jester will show citizen)

Be warned taking on a mafia or arson role will make you susceptible to sheriff detections

*you do not get night immunity

[Mateo]

i vote he become witch and witch me tonight

[NoctiZ]

Hmm I would suggest taking the Sheriff just because having a confirmed Sheriff is nice and we can clear people as long as we believe them not to be GF.

[Dagaen]

Does every role is in specific pairing or can it be in different pairings? E.g. does role A is always in A/B/C pairing or can it be in A/D, A/B/C, A/E/F etc.?

[Titus]

Hmm I would suggest taking the Sheriff just because having a confirmed Sheriff is nice and we can clear people as long as we believe them not to be GF.

Consig does the same thing. There's a slight possibility of confusion a sherriff but it's so remote unless someone else claims wildcard.

[NoctiZ]

Consig does the same thing. There's a slight possibility of confusion a sherriff but it's so remote unless someone else claims wildcard.

Oh yeah, how could I forgot again that the consig would get us exact roles.. my bad.

[powerofdeath]

1. RAPTORBLAZE, came to show up, and then lurks - scummy 3/10
2. titus - trying to be town leader, disagree with some of the plans, little bit worry with ppl voting him, -little bit scummy 4/10
3. ckmistro did not post - 0/10
4. NoctiZ - troll a little, and lurk, meta suggest hes town, 6/10
5. dagaen, is willing to follow the plan, gave helpful hints, most likely town 8/10
6. Azuriae posted once, promised to post more but went afk - scummy 3/10
7. Banshis dont have much read, 5/10
8. Sinclair dont have much read 5/10
9. Mateo - troll a lot, but still give helpful hints - either town or neut going for jester again 7/10
10. powerofdeath comfirmed wild card until counterclaim - 10/10 until cc
11. 42shadow42 - did not post 0/10
12. TheDarkestLight did not post 0/10
13. RLVG wanted to make me sk, not possible, dont have much read 5/10

0 - did not post
1 - extremely scummy
10 - confirmed town

[Dagaen]

SK is immune, but the Wildcard can't become it.

Dagaen

Feel like I need a vote on someone I don't trust.

Awww...How come?

[powerofdeath]

i vote he become witch and witch me tonight
bad idea IMO
witch is underpowered and why would I witch you?

[Azuriae]

You should read my plan and post your opinion on it

Yes, I've read it. I'm pretty skeptic about your Wildcard>Consigliere claim. I'll definitely hold my judgement for now, but I guess it won't hurt to discuss which role the Wild Card should take. Even if you aren't the real one, It'll give our hidden Wildcard some good ideas ;)

[Titus]

PoD, while your events are accurate... I have grave concerns about your numbering system. Vanishing into thin air should not be rated higher than people who helped. Also a guy who tells you to do something impossible and possibly turning you into cit should not be equal with someone who hasn't posted at all. I get you not trusting me but you should really question some of this. Also, sheeping shouldn't give you confirmed town status. The mafia might sheep the confirmed town in order to blend in.

[RLVG]

Awww...How come?

Because too helpfull, free roles to be flexible.

[Azuriae]

1. RAPTORBLAZE, came to show up, and then lurks - scummy 3/10
2. titus - trying to be town leader, disagree with some of the plans, little bit worry with ppl voting him, -little bit scummy 4/10
3. ckmistro did not post - 0/10
4. NoctiZ - troll a little, and lurk, meta suggest hes town, 6/10
5. dagaen, is willing to follow the plan, gave helpful hints, most likely town 8/10
6. Azuriae posted once, promised to post more but went afk - scummy 3/10
7. Banshis dont have much read, 5/10
8. Sinclair dont have much read 5/10
9. Mateo - troll a lot, but still give helpful hints - either town or neut going for jester again 7/10
10. powerofdeath comfirmed wild card until counterclaim - 10/10 until cc
11. 42shadow42 - did not post 0/10
12. TheDarkestLight did not post 0/10
13. RLVG wanted to make me sk, not possible, dont have much read 5/10

0 - did not post
1 - extremely scummy
10 - confirmed town

Sorry, as I said, I just woke up, I have a few things to do. Getting up to date!
(Side news, my cat just gave birth to three healthy kittens. Wooo~)

[powerofdeath]

PoD, while your events are accurate... I have grave concerns about your numbering system. Vanishing into thin air should not be rated higher than people who helped. Also a guy who tells you to do something impossible and possibly turning you into cit should not be equal with someone who hasn't posted at all. I get you not trusting me but you should really question some of this. Also, sheeping shouldn't give you confirmed town status. The mafia might sheep the confirmed town in order to blend in.

I know, its the scum meter from the beginning up to this point, Im trying to make lurkers stop lurking, also Im trying to make people who think this is a troll day think they were wrong

[powerofdeath]

Sorry, as I said, I just woke up, I have a few things to do. Getting up to date!
(Side news, my cat just gave birth to three healthy kittens. Wooo~)

Awww so cute

[RLVG]

(Side news, my cat just gave birth to three healthy kittens. Wooo~)

That's some cute news. Treat them well, and clean your house as much as you can.

[Azuriae]

That's some cute news. Treat them well, and clean your house as much as you can.

No worries. I'm moving in 6 days, new apartment is getting triple cleaned. c:


bad idea IMO
witch is underpowered and why would I witch you?

I'll have to agree with this, Witch would be a pretty poor choice. It wouldn't really have much use until later in the game when we have a good idea of what the rolelist is/we have confirmed scums.
Besides, my guts tells me that a neutral going Witch is very possible.

[Dagaen]

Because too helpfull, free roles to be flexible.

Hmm, sorry? Should I try to be less helpful in the future?:P

[Mateo]

1) we gonna have at least 1 sheriff/invest this game 2) witch is a neutral role so if i was right about pod pulling a gambit we would be able to tell

[powerofdeath]

1) we gonna have at least 1 sheriff/invest this game 2) witch is a neutral role so if i was right about pod pulling a gambit we would be able to tell

Gambit? What gambit? You mean me being mafia amnes remembering Consig?
Wild Card Have to counterclaim me TODAY, if they counterclaim tomorrow, we could assume they are jester or Exe with me being a target.

When Exe is remembered, will the target be randomed? or do they pick their target?

[Raptorblaze]

1. RAPTORBLAZE, came to show up, and then lurks - scummy 3/10
2. titus - trying to be town leader, disagree with some of the plans, little bit worry with ppl voting him, -little bit scummy 4/10
3. ckmistro did not post - 0/10
4. NoctiZ - troll a little, and lurk, meta suggest hes town, 6/10
5. dagaen, is willing to follow the plan, gave helpful hints, most likely town 8/10
6. Azuriae posted once, promised to post more but went afk - scummy 3/10
7. Banshis dont have much read, 5/10
8. Sinclair dont have much read 5/10
9. Mateo - troll a lot, but still give helpful hints - either town or neut going for jester again 7/10
10. powerofdeath comfirmed wild card until counterclaim - 10/10 until cc
11. 42shadow42 - did not post 0/10
12. TheDarkestLight did not post 0/10
13. RLVG wanted to make me sk, not possible, dont have much read 5/10

0 - did not post
1 - extremely scummy
10 - confirmed town


You missed the part where I claimed vigi and told you that you die n2.

[powerofdeath]

You missed the part where I claimed vigi and told you that you die n2.

Have fun =)

[Raptorblaze]

Have fun =)

Oh I will ;) If maf doesn't kill you, anyway.

[powerofdeath]

Oh I will ;) If maf doesn't kill you, anyway.

I pretty am sure doc would be on me anyway

[powerofdeath]

Now RB, enough trolling, post your opinions of the day, the plan, and the players

[Mateo]

Gambit? What gambit? You mean me being mafia amnes remembering Consig?
Wild Card Have to counterclaim me TODAY, if they counterclaim tomorrow, we could assume they are jester or Exe with me being a target.

When Exe is remembered, will the target be randomed? or do they pick their target?

the day is still young

[ika]

When Exe is remembered, will the target be randomed? or do they pick their target?

exe traget will be randomed. if even that day 1 lynch occurs btw and exe is picked the target will not be the one that was lynched. exe target will be given at start of night one if it is chosen

[Raptorblaze]

Now RB, enough trolling, post your opinions of the day, the plan, and the players

You might think I'm trolling, but you'll be sorely disappointed ;) But all fun aside I'd rather not give away who's ass I'm shooting.

[Azuriae]

Gambit? What gambit? You mean me being mafia amnes remembering Consig?
Wild Card Have to counterclaim me TODAY, if they counterclaim tomorrow, we could assume they are jester or Exe with me being a target.

When Exe is remembered, will the target be randomed? or do they pick their target?

And either way, PoD, I'm almost afraid this is a gambit to get the REAL Wildcard out. Apologies for my skepticism, but I don't understand why you would reveal like this on the first day. Why didn't you simply bring the subject of the role that the Wildcard should take instead of revealing?

[Raptorblaze]

And either way, PoD, I'm almost afraid this is a gambit to get the REAL Wildcard out. Apologies for my skepticism, but I don't understand why you would reveal like this on the first day. Why didn't you simply bring the subject of the role that the Wildcard should take instead of revealing?

It is highly unlikely the town wildcard would reveal d1, and if he did it's not terribly intelligent.

[Titus]

And either way, PoD, I'm almost afraid this is a gambit to get the REAL Wildcard out. Apologies for my skepticism, but I don't understand why you would reveal like this on the first day. Why didn't you simply bring the subject of the role that the Wildcard should take instead of revealing?

PoD has walked himself into a lot of situations where he gets lynched. He suddenly has a lot of rolebased information. He might be paranoid we'd turn and lynch him. So he asks permission to pick consig in advance.

The gambit might get the real wildcard out supposing the unlikely event that PoD isn't the wildcard... but to what end? The mafia can't shoot him. Doc would likely be on the wildcard or the death of the wildcard would reveal a certain scum when the wildcard's name and role are blasted to the group. The mafia would be trading one for one which is horrible for scums atm.

[powerofdeath]

And either way, PoD, I'm almost afraid this is a gambit to get the REAL Wildcard out. Apologies for my skepticism, but I don't understand why you would reveal like this on the first day. Why didn't you simply bring the subject of the role that the Wildcard should take instead of revealing?

It might be a gambit, but I promise you I am Wild Card. Why would I try to make our most important town exposed? It would be way to risky for the town. It will also be too risky if I was mafia because I could easily get lynched.

upon death will it show that I am Wild Card? or just my role?

[Titus]

It might be a gambit, but I promise you I am Wild Card. Why would I try to make our most important town exposed? It would be way to risky for the town. It will also be too risky if I was mafia because I could easily get lynched.

upon death will it show that I am Wild Card? or just my role?

A town aligned consigliere is pretty obvious and alignment is almost always shown on death.

[Mateo]

PoD has walked himself into a lot of situations where he gets lynched. He suddenly has a lot of rolebased information. He might be paranoid we'd turn and lynch him. So he asks permission to pick consig in advance.

The gambit might get the real wildcard out supposing the unlikely event that PoD isn't the wildcard... but to what end? The mafia can't shoot him. Doc would likely be on the wildcard or the death of the wildcard would reveal a certain scum when the wildcard's name and role are blasted to the group. The mafia would be trading one for one which is horrible for scums atm.

this is why i regret voting for you for players choice. you arent able to extrapolate.

he claims wildcard early. real wildcard comes along later and ccs. now the doctor doesnt know which is the real wildcard, wastes his heal on wifom wildcard giving mafia free range on any other player.

the real wildcard takes invest role but no one believes his claims because no one knows if hes legit.

sowing confusion is what the mafia do. after your performance fm18 id think youd learn that...

[Mateo]

this is why i regret voting for you for players choice. you arent able to extrapolate.

he claims wildcard early. real wildcard comes along later and ccs. now the doctor doesnt know which is the real wildcard, wastes his heal on wifom wildcard giving mafia free range on any other player.

the real wildcard takes invest role but no one believes his claims because no one knows if hes legit.

sowing confusion is what the mafia do. after your performance fm18 id think you WOULD HAVE learnED that...

FIXED

[ika]

upon death will it show that I am Wild Card? or just my role?

role only

[powerofdeath]

I have a feeling that even if nobody counterclaim me, you guys still wont believe me.

[powerofdeath]

role only

So if i get lynched, town could assume I was mafia?

[Titus]

Ok the answer to that question opens the possibility powerofdeath is lying. I assumed that role and alignment would be shown on death. However, even PoD's death wouldn't confirm who was the real wildcard.

However, I don't find it wise that PoD would claim something so counterclaimable. We could just tell him to pick sheriff. If a real sheriff checks him, it's over. Consig gives us more information... someone cannot lie about their role. However, I understand you are uncomfortable with that risk.

If PoD is the real wildcard, he should have no problem with putting up what role he takes to a vote sheriff or consigliere.

[Sinclair]

I just want to let you all know t hat I'm here but I'm at work. Ill try to read as much as I can and Ill post my thoughts when I get home tonight and I'm Not on my.phone :p

[ika]

Does every role is in specific pairing or can it be in different pairings? E.g. does role A is always in A/B/C pairing or can it be in A/D, A/B/C, A/E/F etc.?

the roles are not stuck in a paring, someone could only have 2 roles while another could be able to pick from every town role, there is no set paring overall

[Mateo]

Ok the answer to that question opens the possibility powerofdeath is lying. I assumed that role and alignment would be shown on death. However, even PoD's death wouldn't confirm who was the real wildcard.

However, I don't find it wise that PoD would claim something so counterclaimable. We could just tell him to pick sheriff. If a real sheriff checks him, it's over. Consig gives us more information... someone cannot lie about their role. However, I understand you are uncomfortable with that risk.

If PoD is the real wildcard, he should have no problem with putting up what role he takes to a vote sheriff or consigliere.

and how would the sheriff that checks him be able to confirm that hes sheriff and not lying scum?

[powerofdeath]

Ok the answer to that question opens the possibility powerofdeath is lying. I assumed that role and alignment would be shown on death. However, even PoD's death wouldn't confirm who was the real wildcard.

However, I don't find it wise that PoD would claim something so counterclaimable. We could just tell him to pick sheriff. If a real sheriff checks him, it's over. Consig gives us more information... someone cannot lie about their role. However, I understand you are uncomfortable with that risk.

If PoD is the real wildcard, he should have no problem with putting up what role he takes to a vote sheriff or consigliere.

If I remember consigliere, it would come up as mafia if sheriff check me, even if im wild card of mafia consig

[Mateo]

If I remember consigliere, it would come up as mafia if sheriff check me, even if im wild card of mafia consig

hes saying that we would tell you to pick sheriff then check u with our sherrif, and if you came up mafia we would know you arent wildcard

[ika]

So if i get lynched, town could assume I was mafia?

dont assume things it makes an ass out of u and me

under the the wildcard settings that would be another risk the wildcard person would have to take with takign and evil/mafia role

[Titus]

hes saying that we would tell you to pick sheriff then check u with our sherrif, and if you came up mafia we would know you arent wildcard

Right. The downside to this is, because we didn't trust PoD at the start, we'd lose the ability to get exact role information of what's in the game. If we trusted PoD, the jailor could jail him after the first night of investigation. Then, PoD would relay information to the jailor in jail as to who was what exact role.

In future days, rather than jailing PoD, PoD would use a code he divined with the jailor.

This would work good for detecting the GF and any possible jester, if for some reason they were unable to claim citizen. Sheriff detects them as NS. They claim power role. It's presumed to be the truth unless a verified consigliere checks them.

Sheriff PoD could still coordinate with the jailor in this manner, but we would run the risk of GF and Jesters claiming PR roles they could not be.

[powerofdeath]

Mateo and titus,

Sheriff checking me does nothing because I will show up as mafia even if I'm wild card
I need at least 3 or 4 people to agree the roles you guys want me to remember as, otherwise im remembering as consigliere

[Titus]

Mateo and titus,

Sheriff checking me does nothing because I will show up as mafia even if I'm wild card
I need at least 3 or 4 people to agree the roles you guys want me to remember as, otherwise im remembering as consigliere

That is why Mateo wants you to remember sheriff. You won't be able to divine exact roles but you will be able to determine alignments. It's a loss to the town, I admit but I'd rather show the others that they were paranoid unjustly.

I say you should pick sheriff.

[Mateo]

That is why Mateo wants you to remember sheriff. You won't be able to divine exact roles but you will be able to determine alignments. It's a loss to the town, I admit but I'd rather show the others that they were paranoid unjustly.

I say you should pick sheriff.

i never said he should take sheriff. i simply clarified your point.

i think he should take a town role he can prove, like bus driver

[Titus]

i never said he should take sheriff. i simply clarified your point.

i think he should take a town role he can prove, like bus driver

Bus Driver is one of the worst roles to pick. It messes up with investigations, killings and anything else the town may want. PoD doesn't need to focus on proving himself. He need to focus on doing what's best for the town and catching scum.

[powerofdeath]

What are people afraid of? Im confirmed wild card, if theres a counterclaim, BOOM! 1 mafia is lynched!
No counter claim, you guys recieves full benefits from the consig
Please dont judge me using meta, Im not doing the survivor shit i did in Azuriae's SFM

[powerofdeath]

Bus Driver is one of the worst roles to pick. It messes up with investigations, killings and anything else the town may want. PoD doesn't need to focus on proving himself. He need to focus on doing what's best for the town and catching scum.

This prove my point, remembering a sheriff is focusing on proving myself that i am town, remembering a consig is best for town and catching scum

[RLVG]

What are people afraid of? Im confirmed wild card, if theres a counterclaim, BOOM! 1 mafia is lynched!
No counter claim, you guys recieves full benefits from the consig
Please dont judge me using meta, Im not doing the survivor shit i did in Azuriae's SFM

What if hypothetically, the Wildcard don't want to counterclaim at the start?

[Titus]

This prove my point, remembering a sheriff is focusing on proving myself that i am town, remembering a consig is best for town and catching scum

Not necessarily. It is best the town believe you. If you have all the knowledge in the world regarding the mafia, but we don't believe you well tough town loses. You have to balance the two.

The wildcard keeping secret is not in the best interest of the town. A one for one trade greatly benefits the town here.

[Azuriae]

What if hypothetically, the Wildcard don't want to counterclaim at the start?

This is what I'm afraid of; and let's not forget that we have a few players that haven't posted yet. :x
Either way, PoD, implying you really are the Wildcard, pick something you know will be good for the town and don't pick solely on the the interest of confirming yourself to the town.
Honestly I'm just afraid of the messed up results we could get if you end up with a Mafia role.

[RLVG]

For fun, let's claim our available roles to pick?

[Titus]

For fun, let's claim our available roles to pick?

RLVG in other words... let's out the doctor because he can only pick doctor or b start the doctor out on the wrong foot by having him/her lie to the group.

[RLVG]

RLVG in other words... let's out the doctor because he can only pick doctor or b start the doctor out on the wrong foot by having him/her lie to the group.

Alright, how about those that wants to claim, claim and those who doesn't want to, doesn't?

[Titus]

Alright, how about those that wants to claim, claim and those who doesn't want to, doesn't?

That makes the Doctor look innately suspicious.

[RLVG]

That makes the Doctor look innately suspicious.

3 selected guys to claim then.

[Azuriae]

For fun, let's claim our available roles to pick?

Not a fan of this idea. Roles were most likely split in archetypes for everyone, I doubt ika would have put stuff like Vigilante/Bodyguard/Bus Driver in one pairing.
This would make us claim our type of roles (Protective, Killing, etc.)

It's probably best not to reveal our pairings for now.

[Titus]

3 selected guys to claim then.

Let's see here. No. If it doesn't work for one, it doesn't work for all. What if one of the ones you select is the doctor? Same problem as above. This is a bad bad bad idea.

Can we just shoot RLVG? It seems like he's setting up a jester play.

[Dagaen]

Ok, I vote that PoD should take Sheriff or other town role. I still believe that Consig would be better, but mostly because I trust PoD. Sheriff looks like a good compromise.

[RLVG]

Can we just shoot RLVG? It seems like he's setting up a jester play.

Not really. I want an analyzis of what to do.

[Banshis]

Just got back. I'll post in a couple mins once I read all the posts.

[Dagaen]

I've already asked about this.


the roles are not stuck in a paring, someone could only have 2 roles while another could be able to pick from every town role, there is no set paring overall

Looks like claiming role pairing won't help us at all.

[Azuriae]

Ok, I vote that PoD should take Sheriff or other town role. I still believe that Consig would be better, but mostly because I trust PoD. Sheriff looks like a good compromise.

At this point, It's all up to him, we'll see what he picks/does tomorrow. But obviously a Sheriff would be nice.
Also, about the neutral pairings, I get the feeling one of them has the killers/witch and the other one has the benign.
Would probably leave us with
Serial Killer/Arsonist/Witch
Jester/Executioner/Survivor/Corrupt Journalist.

Just a thought; I REALLY doubt both would have killers. At worst, Witch would be on the bottom pairing and we could have a killer and a Witch.

[Banshis]

Ok since there is no cc on you so we can assume you are the wildcard right now I like the plan. Bus driver as Titus said before probably isn't a good thing to take because it can mess up investigations.

As Azuriae said also I don't think the 2 neutrals would both allow for survivors. Most likely the set up will have a forced neutral evil role.

[RLVG]

Shall I claim?

[Azuriae]

Shall I claim?

Why would you? What's the point of claiming so early in the game, assuming that you are one of us?
I can already smell the Survivor claim.

[Titus]

Not really. I want an analyzis of what to do.

Let's see here; telling the wildcard to take serial killer when he can't. Voting me in an OMGUS fashion for highlighting that.

Rolefishing, by trying to have people claim their options.

[Titus]

Why would you? What's the point of claiming so early in the game, assuming that you are one of us?
I can already smell the Survivor claim.

I smell a wildcard claim coming from RLVG. He's planted hints of that already.

[RLVG]

Let's see here; telling the wildcard to take serial killer when he can't. Voting me in an OMGUS fashion for highlighting that.

I thougth SK was an option by the Wildcard, but it appears not to.

[Titus]

Shall I claim?

You really seem eager to do so. Considering day 1 isn't near over, you can always change within your options I presume.

[Dagaen]

RLVG also voted me for being too helpful^^

[powerofdeath]

Back from playing Wolf Pack, its a fun map, and I won.
Anyway, from the town perspective, you should doubt RLVG is a wild card because it would obviously say in the role card who u can remember as.

[powerofdeath]

Back from playing Wolf Pack, its a fun map, and I won.
Anyway, from the town perspective, you should doubt RLVG is a wild card because it would obviously say in the role card who u can remember as.
RLVG wouldve known SK isnt one of the options

[Titus]

RLVG now that you've brought it up, claim.

[RLVG]

RLVG now that you've brought it up, claim.

Journalist / Bus Driver / Citizen

[powerofdeath]

Journalist / Bus Driver / Citizen

I would suggest Journalist and interview people

[powerofdeath]

it could also prove you are a town

[Titus]

it could also prove you are a town

That means we'd have to ensure no one else picked journalist to prove he was town. Journalist is not an automatic confirming role. However, the absence of a journalist (supposing that's what he picked) would prove RLVG is scum.

[RLVG]

That means we'd have to ensure no one else picked journalist to prove he was town. Journalist is not an automatic confirming role. However, the absence of a journalist (supposing that's what he picked) would prove RLVG is scum.

Depends if I'm roleblocked, jailed or whatever.

[Azuriae]

I still don't understand why you claimed so early, RLVG.
Obviously you won't pick Citizen, leaving you with Bus Driver or Journalist.

What pushed you to claim so early? Having a hidden Bus Driver could have been nice, but now you'll probably have to pick Journalist. At least if you go with this we can without a doubt confirm you as town, unless our other townies are silly enough to pick a second one.
And let's not forget that Corrupt Journalist is possible.

[Mateo]

i dont like the journalist idea, seeing as there is a possible corrupt journalist

[acku11]

Hunter in checking

[Banshis]

Azuriae beat me to it, but it is possible a corrupt journalist might come out of RLVG picking journalist. He might try to get RLVG killed.

If RLVG claimed a town, lets not forget me might have made up the pairing and he could be corrupt journalist so the town would believe he is town and he would be able to avoid getting lynched.

Well if everyone follows PoD's plan then you shouldn't have to worried about being roleblocked.

[RLVG]

Meh, Journalist it is, regardless of distrust.

[Titus]

Hunter in checking

????

[42shadow42]

Just got off work I'm wildcard

powerofdeath

[RLVG]

Just got off work I'm wildcard

powerofdeath

Sure.

powerofdeath

[Banshis]

Just got off work I'm wildcard

powerofdeath

I sense that 1 of the 2 are a jester trying to get lynched.

[Titus]

There's got to be a town killing role in this, or the mafia will kill looking for the real wildcard.

The two claimers pick sheriff. Report back on what they find tomorrow. No consiglieres given the CC that exists now.

[Titus]

I sense that 1 of the 2 are a jester trying to get lynched.

Ditto, so town killing should handle.

[Azuriae]

Just got off work I'm wildcard

powerofdeath

Aaaand this is exactly what I thought might happen.

What should we do about this, folks?

[Mateo]

Aaaand this is exactly what I thought might happen.

What should we do about this, folks?

i hate being right

[RLVG]

I sense that 1 of the 2 are a jester trying to get lynched.

Let's screw the mind some.

What if: Both Neutrals receive Jester and the Wildcard also pick Jester?

[Dagaen]

Well, right now everyone is Amnesiac, right? So no risk in lynching.

Shadow can have Jester in his option and accuses real wildcard.

Or PoD is Mafia Amnesiac and Shadow is real wild card.

[RLVG]

Although this may sound scummy, there's an option.

1. Someone needs to have Jailor available.
2. No lynch.
3. Jail one wildcard and execute.
4. Vigilante kill other wildcard.

Guranteed to kill at least 1 scum, may it be Jester or Mafia and it's possible that even the both of them are evil.
It confirms Vigilante and Jailor, so we're at an advantage.

/discuss

[Titus]

Or we could have a mafia amnesiac with a jester, but that's very very freaking remote.

If we lynch a person who picked jester today will suicides still occur?

I still think this is a bad idea.

Why not have the real wildcard take survivor and have the killing role start killing the wildcards? The real wildcard will live and be a confirmed townie with 1 - 2 vests remaining.

[Azuriae]

Although this may sound scummy, there's an option.

1. Someone needs to have Jailor available.
2. No lynch.
3. Jail one wildcard and execute.
4. Vigilante kill other wildcard.

Guranteed to kill at least 1 scum, may it be Jester or Mafia and it's possible that even the both of them are evil.
It confirms Vigilante and Jailor, so we're at an advantage.

/discuss

But this also rids us of the person that could be a great asset for the town right now.
I'm not sure if killing a neutral (I really doubt the mafia would be crazy enough to pull a gambit like this on Day 1)
is worth losing our Wildcard.

[Titus]

My way doesn't require a jailor at all. Vigilante can do all the killing. Vigilante outs, claiming who he killed. If we have two vigilante claimers, then we'll know one of the two "wildcards" is a mafia and not a jester. If we have one vigilante and the wildcards both live, then we can infer the vigilante shot the wildcard. Verifications can be done by the sheriff to make sure the wildcards didn't pick arson or something night immune.

[Titus]

Wildcard of course takes survivor rather than sheriff but we will have another investigative role in the game almost certainly.

[Azuriae]

Or we could have a mafia amnesiac with a jester, but that's very very freaking remote.

If we lynch a person who picked jester today will suicides still occur?

I still think this is a bad idea.

Why not have the real wildcard take survivor and have the killing role start killing the wildcards? The real wildcard will live and be a confirmed townie with 1 - 2 vests remaining.

This is actually not a bad idea actually. Though, if we go there, I'm a bit afraid a Jailor execution could mess up with this.
All Wildcard claimers would claim Survivor in jail. :x
What tells you that no one is going to pick Jailor?

[Raptorblaze]

powerofdeath

[Dagaen]

Or we may lynch Shadow (Wildcard/Jester) and have Vigilante shoot PoD(Wildcard/Mafia) if Shadow flips Wildcard. I assume lynching Jester d1 won't kill us.

[RLVG]

My plan : It rids of one threat of town while confirming two already at start of day two. With my Journalist interview, that's 3 / 10 confirmed.
Multiple jailors can pick the same target, multiple Journalists can confirm themselves (If there's another, target me).

If lucky, 5 / 10.

[Banshis]

I think 42 would have come up with something more elaborate if he was a jester trying to cc PoD. It tells me that PoD might be a jester trying to look like town so he gets healed and not killed by mafia.

[Banshis]

My plan : It rids of one threat of town while confirming two already at start of day two. With my Journalist interview, that's 3 / 10 confirmed.
Multiple jailors can pick the same target, multiple Journalists can confirm themselves (If there's another, target me).

If lucky, 5 / 10.

You can't forget that there is a chance at corrupt journalist.

[RLVG]

You can't forget that there is a chance at corrupt journalist.

Corrupt Journalist : 6 / 10 or 5 / 10.
That means another 5 / 10 to be 3 mafia and 1 other neutral or even 2.

[Titus]

What if the mafia shoots any of those people needed for your complex plan to work? After all, the doctor doesn't know who to heal in that setup.

Instead, it would almost be better to lynch one and shoot the other. I'd be fine with a fifty fifty trade off.

42shadow42 I think he's more likely the scum over PoD.

[RLVG]

What if the mafia shoots any of those people needed for your complex plan to work? After all, the doctor doesn't know who to heal in that setup.

Jailor jails and executes.
Vigilante kills.

= 10 left.

Journalist Interviews.
Another Journalist interviews.
Doctor heals an attack, other claims.
Jailor confirmed.
Vigilante confirmed.

= 6. That's a best case scenario.

[RLVG]

Power has majority of the current votes, so let's vote for him instead. Vigi kill the other one depending on what is rolled up.

[Dagaen]

I'm going to sleep now.

Since I have to choose between powerofdeath who gave us quite good plan and 42shadow42, who just gave us one line of text...

42shadow42

Cu in few hours.

[Azuriae]

I'll hold my vote for now, but from what I've seen so far, either is fine for me.

I have to go for a few, I'll be back in a few hours. Gotta pack my stuff for the move. :x

[RLVG]

Nevermind.

42shadow42

[Titus]

Jailor jails and mafia shoots him. No jail death.
Vigilante attacks a wildcard and hits a vest/neutral killer.
Journalist interviews.

We have a pile of clusterbleep.


That's what I fear happens.

Let's just lynch and shoot. It's much easier and stops the mafia from guessing what PRs we have.

[Banshis]

I'm going to go with 42. It is more believable that PoD is the jester.

[Banshis]

So here is my vote

42shadow42

[Raptorblaze]

42shadow42 whatever

[powerofdeath]

Woah woah guys, I am still Wild Card. Shadow came on, said hes wild card and just left.
He did absolutely nothing. I am betting hes just jester.
42shadow42
How about this
We both remember Consig, we both investigate 2 people, and whoever is right, is confirmed Wild Card.
If we are both right, then 42 is mafia consigliere so 1 for 1 is good for the town.

This way we dont have to risk anything.
Or even mislynch the wrong guy then ignore 42shadow42

[The Godfather]

42shadow42 has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


42shadow42 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/7178') (7 [L-0]): Titus ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=343625'), Banshis ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=343641'), powerofdeath ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=343645'), RLVG ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=343638'), Mateo ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=343344'), Raptorblaze ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=343644'), Dagaen ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=343635')
powerofdeath ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/3897') (1 [L-6]): 42shadow42 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=343578')

[ika]

will make rp later

he was an town amesica he never took a role....

due to short day no replacemnts will be made.

night end: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=july+3+15%3A00+CST

night chats are open.

also anyone who has not pikced a role has untill the offical day end time to chose, you may also change between that time

[ika]

So the day started out normally. Ika comes in seeing how the discussion was going on and noticed how people came and go but never paid much mind to it. Ika smiles and leaves. He went off to get some food. He decided to call the office and check in The phone rang, but there was no answer.

“That’s odd” ika said to himself as he started his car, “Usually these someone to answer the phone when I’m out”

Just as ika pulled up one of the windows broke from upstairs and42shadow42 body was thrown out the window. Everyone looked out and cheered at it. He turned off his car alarm and got up and looked up. He was upset but not about the car. It was the fact that they threw him out the window. He went inside and came up into the main room to see that the place was half destroyed already.

“What the actual [censored] is going on in here” Ika demanded

Everyone started to point fingers at each other, someone said it was one persona and another said it was someone else.

“Enough” Ika shouted, “first off tell me why the heck did you guys throw 42shadow42 out the window?”

People started to make up reasons for it but they all came to the same conclusion that he was apparently scummy. They said they didn’t have a way of lynching him so they did the next best idea and was to throw him out the window.

Ika frowned and ordered everyone back to their rooms and that he would take care of it for the future. He went over to his computer to pull up the file on 42shadow42 and see what he was. But unfortunately the only indication that had on him is that he was checked in from the wreckage and the last person to see him was ika. Nobody else seems to have visited him and he had no indications of being with the mafia and also had no record of checking the storage house so what he truly was, was unknown. Ika sighed and looked at the paperwork that sill needed to be done. He thought about doing some of it and then decided to do it later.

ROLE WILL BE LOCKED IN ABOUT 4 HOURS. If you have any last minute decisions decide now. Once roles are locked you will be sent an official role card. if you are happy with the role you have picked you may submit night actions.

Also due to some work related issues i might have to end night early but due to short dayframe it shouldnt be much of a problem. This is unconfirmed however

[ika]

Ika was taking a sip of soda that night. He got up and walked around and made sure everyone was in their rooms. He went out and still saw 42shadow42 body out there. Ika sighed as he forgot all about that. He decided to just leave it and deal with it later. He walked back inside and headed to his office to sleep for the night. Ika woke up at the sounds of someone monitor going off. Ika rushed over to Mateo’s room and saw that someone has gave him the wrong blood type and casued him to die. Ika looked though his logs and saw that he liked to spend time with people. He concluded he was an escort.

“I SAID STAY OUT!” a shout came across the hall as ika was checking Mateo’s body. Ika ran out to see where the disturbance was coming from and started to head down the hall, before he knew it he heard a shot go off and Banshis body fly out of a room. A figure came out and shot the person several more time.

“Don’t you ever come and bother me again” The person said and walked back into the room.

Banshis body was obliterated, ika looked at the person and the person just glared at him and then looked away. Ika examined the remains of Banshis and saw that he had files on just about everyone. He looked through them and saw that they were not real files that instead they were forged. He knew then that Banshis was a framer. Ika sighed at the mess that was made and decided to go check on RLVG. As he rounded the corner he saw a trail of blood, ika got concerned and hurried but was too late RLVG was dead. He examined his corpse and saw that there were many stab wounds in him. He continued to look at him and noticed that he had a computer. He checked the computer and noticed all the troll type pictures that he had. He found a video and opened it up and it was a troll song. Ika looked a bit more and then found the one thing that confirmed his suspicions about RLVG, a jester suit.

Ika called everyone to the main room to discuss the sad news that has fallen among them and told them that they can discuss the events and decide what the course of action is for now. He knew he would be busy today…

1. RAPTORBLAZE
2. titus
3. ckmistro
4. NoctiZ
5. dagaen
6. Azuriae
7. Sinclair
8. powerofdeath
9. TheDarkestLight

the dead
RLVG (killed by serial killer) jester
Banshis (neturalized by a veteran) framer
Mateo (killed by the mafia) escort
42shadow42 (thrown out the window by the majority) amesicac

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day end: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=july+4+14%3A00+CST

[Raptorblaze]

Not a bad night overall.

[NoctiZ]

I think we can assume that 42shadow42, who counterclaimed the wildcard claim, is indeed the wildcard amnesiac and thus we lynch POD.

powerofdeath

[Raptorblaze]

I think we can assume that 42shadow42, who counterclaimed the wildcard claim, is indeed the wildcard amnesiac and thus we lynch POD.

powerofdeath

It kinda sucks that we killed him. sigh. At least a jester and the framer are gone though.

powerofdeath

[Titus]

Guys stop. I clarified this with the host. Wildcard claim would have been yellow. Powerofdeath is an uncced wildcard. I think that 42shadow42 thought the multiple choices meant he was wildcard or he thought the real wildcard would stay hidden. It's kinda obvious that Mateo didn't go along with PoD's plan and not many trusted him.

We should keep him alive for now. PoD can give leads (well if we lower the body count per night).

[NoctiZ]

After rechecking I saw the part about "wildcard = yellow", so I'm going to assume that you did indeed clarify this with the host Titus.

[Titus]

I also believe the veteran should out. Yes, there is a chance the serial killer could visit the veteran, but it's more likely the veteran will get the rest of us in trouble. After all, the other mafia likely know who Banshis was framing.

It is also worth another look to see if Banshis was suspiciously close to anyone.

[Dagaen]

Hello everyone. I see Titus beat me to the first vote. Dangit.

Mateo

I'll be back in a couple hours. Need to do some shopping.


Ok since there is no cc on you so we can assume you are the wildcard right now I like the plan. Bus driver as Titus said before probably isn't a good thing to take because it can mess up investigations.

As Azuriae said also I don't think the 2 neutrals would both allow for survivors. Most likely the set up will have a forced neutral evil role.


Azuriae beat me to it, but it is possible a corrupt journalist might come out of RLVG picking journalist. He might try to get RLVG killed.

If RLVG claimed a town, lets not forget me might have made up the pairing and he could be corrupt journalist so the town would believe he is town and he would be able to avoid getting lynched.

Well if everyone follows PoD's plan then you shouldn't have to worried about being roleblocked.

Banshis didn't interract too much. He voted Mateo, mentioned Titus, Azuriae, RLVG. Since Titus voted Banshis he is probably not in his team, that would leave Azuriae. Still - long shot.

[Dagaen]

Now I will check who had motive to kill RLVG.

[Titus]

Now I will check who had motive to kill RLVG.

Good idea. I'll take a look at Mateo. Maybe the mafia killed him because he was on to something.

[Raptorblaze]

I also believe the veteran should out. Yes, there is a chance the serial killer could visit the veteran, but it's more likely the veteran will get the rest of us in trouble. After all, the other mafia likely know who Banshis was framing.

It is also worth another look to see if Banshis was suspiciously close to anyone.

There's also the possibility of a witch hitting the veteran, but my main goal was mafia anyway so I might as well claim now. The vigi claim d1 did well enough.

[Titus]

There's also the possibility of a witch hitting the veteran, but my main goal was mafia anyway so I might as well claim now. The vigi claim d1 did well enough.

So to be clear, you're claiming veteran? You intended to soft claim vig with your day shoot?

I would have figured a hypothetical witch would be on the mafia killer. The only reason I can see the mafia killing Mateo was his quote about the mafia sowing confusion regarding PoD in an attempt to get me to mislynch PoD.

[Titus]

Banshis didn't interract too much. He voted Mateo, mentioned Titus, Azuriae, RLVG. Since Titus voted Banshis he is probably not in his team, that would leave Azuriae. Still - long shot.


Well you're right in your conclusion but for the wrong reason. Usually, Banshis agrees with me and offers a lot of opinions. Here he does neither. However, random votes don't mean anything. They are a tool to get the conversation started. Both scum and town can use that.

[Raptorblaze]

So to be clear, you're claiming veteran? You intended to soft claim vig with your day shoot?

I would have figured a hypothetical witch would be on the mafia killer. The only reason I can see the mafia killing Mateo was his quote about the mafia sowing confusion regarding PoD in an attempt to get me to mislynch PoD.

Yes. I am the veteran. I was framed last night and exacted sweet, sweet justice upon the foolish child.

[Dagaen]

Well, I forgot I was one of guys RLVG voted for:D

Anyway, here's some revelant quotes:



NoctiZ

Since when did this guy have babies?



powerofdeath

Doesn't want to be lynched, claimed town aligned wildcard.


Wildcard, become a Serial Killer instead.

1. Immune.
2. Kill.
3. Confirmed Town.


That's been clarified. Consig is an eligible role for wildcard.

I'm more concerned with RLVG. He's claimed that PoD should take a role not listed in the setup for wildcard and claimed that role would get immunity which is patently false.


Thougth Wildcard could pick ALL roles.

"serial killer: deranged killer

kill someone each night
kills rbers (double roleblock will prevent kill)
immune at night"

Titus, you did not catch the immune part?

Titus



The fact that PoD reveals Wildcard day 1 claiming Consig->Town, with Consigliere being the best "town" role, how likely would that be then?

I'm now leaning more to Mafia receiving Consigliere.
PoD, claim all the roles that you can become.



SK is immune, but the Wildcard can't become it.

Dagaen

Feel like I need a vote on someone I don't trust.




13. RLVG wanted to make me sk, not possible, dont have much read 5/10



Let's see here. No. If it doesn't work for one, it doesn't work for all. What if one of the ones you select is the doctor? Same problem as above. This is a bad bad bad idea.

Can we just shoot RLVG? It seems like he's setting up a jester play.


I smell a wildcard claim coming from RLVG. He's planted hints of that already.


RLVG also voted me for being too helpful^^


Journalist / Bus Driver / Citizen


Meh, Journalist it is, regardless of distrust.


Sure.

powerofdeath


Although this may sound scummy, there's an option.

1. Someone needs to have Jailor available.
2. No lynch.
3. Jail one wildcard and execute.
4. Vigilante kill other wildcard.

Guranteed to kill at least 1 scum, may it be Jester or Mafia and it's possible that even the both of them are evil.
It confirms Vigilante and Jailor, so we're at an advantage.

/discuss

Well RLVG voted on me, Titus, NoctiZ and PoD. I probably wouldn't be that stupid to kill the only voter who was on me if I was SK; I think the same thing is true for NoctiZ. Titus was also voted, but he also openly proposed to kill RLVG (perhaps SK wanted to frame Titus that way?). PoD was suspected by many people, but he is apparently a wildcard.

RLVG talked quite much about SK, perhaps SK felt threatened? I don't see much reason for killing Journalist.

[Sinclair]

Good morning everyone.

Nothing happened to me last night.

As for going back to see who had the motive, I only really saw PoD and Titus go back and forth with him. No one else really.

[Titus]

Well RLVG voted on me, Titus, NoctiZ and PoD. I probably wouldn't be that stupid to kill the only voter who was on me if I was SK; I think the same thing is true for NoctiZ. Titus was also voted, but he also openly proposed to kill RLVG (perhaps SK wanted to frame Titus that way?). PoD was suspected by many people, but he is apparently a wildcard.

RLVG talked quite much about SK, perhaps SK felt threatened? I don't see much reason for killing Journalist.

I proposed killing RLVG because he was likely jester. Serial Killer wound up proving me right. If you are accurate that the serial killer wanted to frame me, it's not likely I will live for long because his plan had an epic failure. Serial Killers like jesters as they divert suspicion away from them. I'd seriously consider a town aligned jester but for the fact that I don't think a town role can pick serial killer.

It is possible the SK thought RLVG might be an important town role, like sheriff or doctor due to the trolling to draw attention away from himself.

You know what also surprises me... why PoD isn't in the graveyard? Given the amount of mistrust of PoD, did anyone actually follow RLVG's plan to try to shoot PoD at all?

[Titus]

*town aligned jester = town aligned serial killer

[powerofdeath]

First of all, I want to say I am sorry for hammering, raptorblaze voted at the same time. I was still reading page 10, when I was looking at people like him voting me up. So I vote up 42 but I didnt know bunch of people already voted him up.
42 better explain what he was doing at epilogue...

[Titus]

First of all, I want to say I am sorry for hammering, raptorblaze voted at the same time. I was still reading page 10, when I was looking at people like him voting me up. So I vote up 42 but I didnt know bunch of people already voted him up.
42 better explain what he was doing at epilogue...

I am thinking 42 saw the multiple options and thought he was the wildcard. That or he really thought you were lying.

That being said, were you attacked at all?

[Titus]

Oh and what did you take and why?

[powerofdeath]

I proposed killing RLVG because he was likely jester. Serial Killer wound up proving me right. If you are accurate that the serial killer wanted to frame me, it's not likely I will live for long because his plan had an epic failure. Serial Killers like jesters as they divert suspicion away from them. I'd seriously consider a town aligned jester but for the fact that I don't think a town role can pick serial killer.

It is possible the SK thought RLVG might be an important town role, like sheriff or doctor due to the trolling to draw attention away from himself.

You know what also surprises me... why PoD isn't in the graveyard? Given the amount of mistrust of PoD, did anyone actually follow RLVG's plan to try to shoot PoD at all?

Town cannot be sk or jester
We have two neuts, one of them is jester and one of them is serial killer.
We have 2 mafia and a sk left.
Only neut and wildcare can be witch, and Im not witch so we have no witch in this game.
I investigated somebody last night and I can confirm that person is clean.

[powerofdeath]

I took Consigliere because town is going to have to trust me regarding my role.
No i wasnt attacked at all

[Titus]

Are you saying you found the doctor?

[powerofdeath]

I rather not say

[Sinclair]

I'm sorry if this was asked already:

Is it possible for a town consig?

[NoctiZ]

I'm sorry if this was asked already:

Is it possible for a town consig?

Wildcard is town aligned and no matter which role he picks, he will still win with town.

[Sinclair]

Wildcard is town aligned and no matter which role he picks, he will still win with town.

Ahhh okay, so if he's telling the truth and he is a wildcard, then he is town aligned consig.

We have no wildcard CC? Besides 42 of course...

[Titus]

Ahhh okay, so if he's telling the truth and he is a wildcard, then he is town aligned consig.

We have no wildcard CC? Besides 42 of course...

Correct. So I believe him. After all, if PoD wanted to take the easy way out, he'd say he visited a role in the graveyard.

[NoctiZ]

Correct. So I believe him. After all, if PoD wanted to take the easy way out, he'd say he visited a role in the graveyard.

He could also be stalling by not wanting to tell us, hard to say at this point. But if there isn't any other CC then it's okay I guess.

[powerofdeath]

I'm sorry if this was asked already:

Is it possible for a town consig?

Only wild card can be town aligned consig

[ika]

Is it possible for a town consig?

only possible via wildcard

[powerofdeath]

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