Role: Gladiator/Arena Master

[Nazzhoul]

Gladiator: Town Killing

Choose a player at night. The next day, the town gets an extra lynch between you and your target. These votes will not use the vote counter and will be counted by the host. The gladiator combat only requires a simple majority. May have a limited number of uses. The GM will include at the start of day:

"Two players have entered the arena. You may choose to '-hurt [Player A]' or '-hurt [Player B]'. The player with the most votes at the end of the day will be killed."

Arena Master: Neutral Killing

Choose two players at night. Those two players enter the arena. See above for the rules.
Win condition: Kill at least one member of each faction/see the town lose/be the last one alive. (Can't decide which is best)
The point of this one is basically to ensure that there isn't necessarily a confirmed town in the arena.

Roles inspired by stuff I saw on Mafiascum like a year ago.

[Slaol]

Really just needs an FM built around a Gladiator theme of some sort.
Semi-night-kill-powered Town with a Mafia or Neutral evil Arena Master directing lynches. Town is limited in day, and uses the Arena Master's selection as a piece of evidence. Does the evil simply dodge lynch every day? Does the evil dare put himself in there to look Town? Would be fun.

[Titus]

I've ripped your idea (with credit) for a M-FM I've got a setup approval pending for. I hope you don't mind.

[CmG]

The town role is just plain bad. It's like a twisted vigilante day shot where the gladiator just gets himself autoconfirmed afterwards. Scum players can't even vote on the "obvious" non gladiator to not get suspected after the lynch.

The neutral killer role is super swingy. Let's asume he gets the godfather and the cult leader up there. or 2 citizens. How about Mayor and Jailor? You always end with one dead guy and a roleclaim with night actions.

How is this balance able?

[Titus]

The town role is just plain bad. It's like a twisted vigilante day shot where the gladiator just gets himself autoconfirmed afterwards. Scum players can't even vote on the "obvious" non gladiator to not get suspected after the lynch.

The neutral killer role is super swingy. Let's asume he gets the godfather and the cult leader up there. or 2 citizens. How about Mayor and Jailor? You always end with one dead guy and a roleclaim with night actions.

How is this balance able?

How is the gladiator autoconfirmable?

[CmG]

Because he will softclaim way before and it's him or the other guy. It's super easy to set the roleclaim up. If his target gets lynched which will gonna happen in 90% of all situations the gladiator is auto confirmed town. It's like allowing vigilantes having death notes.

[Cryptonic]

Because he will softclaim way before and it's him or the other guy. It's super easy to set the roleclaim up. If his target gets lynched which will gonna happen in 90% of all situations the gladiator is autoconfirmed town.

Yes, this will happen.
The only way around this is to, as Arena Master, do the same soft claim and then choose yourself lol. But that's dangerous, giving yourself a high chance of dying.

[Titus]

Gladiator, in this version, is not required to confirm himself. He can pick anyone. Maybe put his ability in place of the lynch? So the Gladiator is like a player with power to stop the mafia from tunnelling an important town role?

[CmG]

Huh? What do you mean he is not required to confirm himself? Every town role who has the ability to confirm itself is dead strong no matter what it's abilities are. Also his ability probably wastes a whole day with fruitless discussion. I would say he is rather contra productive as a town role.

Vigilante with a dayshot does it better.

[Nazzhoul]

Which is why I put in the Arena Master. With the possibility of him being present, it no longer means that there is necessarily a town in the arena. Plus what you said about the AM possibly having a GF and CL in the arena could also apply to a role like the Arsonist.

[Nazzhoul]

Yes, this will happen.
The only way around this is to, as Arena Master, do the same soft claim and then choose yourself lol. But that's dangerous, giving yourself a high chance of dying.

If doing that gives the AM a high chance of dying, wouldn't the Gladiator also have a high chance of dying?

[CmG]

The Gladiator still wins with town unlike the Arena master. It's clearly not the same for him. Arena master ded game over. Gladilam0r dead still wins with town.


Arsonist kills are delayed. You still can make strong plays while doused. If you get exposed and have to claim something what you aren't you are gonna go down the hatch no matter what.

If the godfather gets lynched and the cult leader has to fake claim you just destroyed 2 scum teams in an instant. It's a bit like a veteran or a spree killer. Hard to balance. Even if you achieve to balance this with adding the right power roles who are either immune or have other purposes your setup will be very easy to meta.