Nobody wins?

[FM Lichtmann]

ok i am running theories on how this game could end, if rose did in fact attack the gf then theres a possiblity that NOBODY WINS!

lynch witch

mafia shoots town, savage kills gf

1 maf, 1 savage, 2 towns

hypoteticly none will lynch so they both must attack a town to have a shot at winning

both kills town, 1v1, unless there is a ruling on it it should skip to night, they kill each ohter and nobody wins

if anyone else has any theories go ahead and post them

[FM Cajetan]

who did Rose claim to attack?

[FM Lichtmann]

suppposivly mendez who might be gf, this is all speculation though

[FM Earle]

Poor Ryan.

Anyway Earle and Becket will be laughing from the grave if nobody is left standing in the end.

[FM Cafarelli]

ok i am running theories on how this game could end, if rose did in fact attack the gf then theres a possiblity that NOBODY WINS!

lynch witch

mafia shoots town, savage kills gf

1 maf, 1 savage, 2 towns

hypoteticly none will lynch so they both must attack a town to have a shot at winning

both kills town, 1v1, unless there is a ruling on it it should skip to night, they kill each ohter and nobody wins

if anyone else has any theories go ahead and post them

isn't there a tiebreaker if 1 vs 1 in this game?

also let's analyze that 1 maf 1 savage 2 town situation

supposing i am one of the killers and assuming there is no tie breaker. i can either attack town or the other scum faction
if i attack a townie:
-----if the other attacks the remaining townie: 1 vs 1, noone wins
-----if the other scum attacks me: i lost, other scum wins
-----if the other scum attacks the same townie: 1vs1vs1 => no lynch and scum will attack each other, town wins

as you can see none of these endings are good for me
if i attack the other scum:
-----if he attacks me too: i lose, town wins
-----if he attacks town: i win

here i can see a chance to win if the other scum is not smart. so i will choose that. this is what both scums will do if they're smart so they will just kill each other. unless they're so smart to see they cannot win if noone fails and agree on making nobody win. so i was wrong, the escort block is maybe not even required.

[FM Ferengi]

Poor Ryan.

Anyway Earle and Becket will be laughing from the grave if nobody is left standing in the end.

Good catch! If nobody is alive at the end of the game, corrupt journalists will solo win.

[FM Cafarelli]

so what happens now if it's savage vs maf? nothing, it just goes on?

[FM Ferengi]

so what happens now if it's savage vs maf? nothing, it just goes on?

If its savage vs maf then it could end up as a solo journalist win if maf and savages shoot each other.

[FM Earle]

I would have liked if it's 1v1v1 (SGF dead), I taunted Savage and Mafia saying that they sucked and I'm going to solo win, they raged and lynched me before shooting each other. I still win.

But going at this rate I say town is winning.

[FM Ryan]

My faith in humanity has been broken. I was well aware that Mafia tried to stop lynch on me, but with Rose helping out 3 remaining townies there was little I could do.

[FM Cafarelli]

you know that a maf hammered you? don't trust scum
and town did only the right thing
mendez gonna die tonight

[FM Earle]

If a Witch do not stay neutral (actively undermine any scum team through votes and night actions), scum teams dare not to have him around. Best way is obviously to lynch him and let "neutral" town decide instead.

[FM Lichtmann]

Evil Neutral: Eliminate the Town and survive until the end of the game.

Corrupt Journalist: Eliminate the Town.

seems a little unfair that the neutral evils have the same win condition AND have to live to end while the corrupt journals dont have to, also they techncaly didnt eliminate the town, the maifa and savages did XD

really i think if it goes to 1v1 (cult vs mafia) type scnario we get to vote which side wins instead of them killing each other, every game has always ended in 1v1 ties or one person left. it seems unfair that they both end up killing each other and lose

[FM Cafarelli]

yes corrupt journalist win is a bit too easy, they have win chances of mafia and savages combined^^

[FM Monroe]

Rose hinted at his message to the dead chat/Ryan that he was going to try and win the town's favour. I fully expect him to not kill anyone after tonight. Then if the mafia kills a town and makes it 1v1v1, he will beg the town for their support in lynching the final mafia player.

[FM Earle]

Since auto win is boring I wanted to be last person alive. But I overestimated the strength of Savages. And Galloway and Mason in the same team?

To brag, my play netted 3 Mafia and 1 SGF. I demand an award. Honorable Journalist I am.

[FM Kalou]

you didnt net me. i was going to die either way.

[FM Buchwalter]

Since auto win is boring I wanted to be last person alive. But I overestimated the strength of Savages. And Galloway and Mason in the same team?

To brag, my play netted 3 Mafia and 1 SGF. I demand an award. Honorable Journalist I am.

To be fair here, you may have had a bigger chance of winning if you had allowed us to lynch you.

You pretty screwed up your chance of winning by aiding town in lynching scum. You do not even have to be alive to win, so getting your self lynched would not have been a bad thing.

[FM Earle]

To be fair here, you may have had a bigger chance of winning if you had allowed us to lynch you.

You pretty screwed up your chance of winning by aiding town in lynching scum. You do not even have to be alive to win, so getting your self lynched would not have been a bad thing.

I already knew something was coming the day I received soma. Knew that it is likely fake. But I intend to stay alive for the fun.

[FM Lichtmann]

Mafia: Eliminate the Savages and the Town.
Savages: Eliminate the Mafia and the Town.
Town: Eliminate the Mafia, Savages, and any Evil Neutrals.
Evil Neutral: Eliminate the Town and survive until the end of the game.
Corrupt Journalist: Eliminate the Town.


corrupt journal has eliminate town but it can be classififed as evil neutral, that means ONE of them has to live to the end, if cj wins alone its unfiar for any other role that would have to see it.

by that saying if they kill each other, NO ONE WINS becasue one of them needs to be alive to see the faction lose

[FM Donnelly]

Good catch! If nobody is alive at the end of the game, corrupt journalists will solo win.

Not quite.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20011-Somebody-has-to-start-the-dead-chat-conversation-anyway?p=339513&viewfull=1#post339513

[FM Buchwalter]

Mafia: Eliminate the Savages and the Town.
Savages: Eliminate the Mafia and the Town.
Town: Eliminate the Mafia, Savages, and any Evil Neutrals.
Evil Neutral: Eliminate the Town and survive until the end of the game.
Corrupt Journalist: Eliminate the Town.


corrupt journal has eliminate town but it can be classififed as evil neutral, that means ONE of them has to live to the end, if cj wins alone its unfiar for any other role that would have to see it.

by that saying if they kill each other, NO ONE WINS becasue one of them needs to be alive to see the faction lose

So everyone win but Evil Neutral? That would be funny.

[FM Donnelly]

So everyone win but Evil Neutral? That would be funny.

According to the win conditions, this is precisely what will happen unless the hosts change their setup at the last minute (...of the game) or unless one of the surviving scum decides to gamethrow and give it to the other faction instead.

[FM Lichtmann]

According to the win conditions, this is precisely what will happen unless the hosts change their setup at the last minute (...of the game) or unless one of the surviving scum decides to gamethrow and give it to the other faction instead.

Well ya i guess your right everyone but nutral eivls wins........

[FM Kalou]

LOL EVERYONE WINS. HAHA COOL

[FM Ferengi]

According to the win conditions, this is precisely what will happen unless the hosts change their setup at the last minute (...of the game) or unless one of the surviving scum decides to gamethrow and give it to the other faction instead.

It's a common knowledge rule that town/mafia/cult can only win if they are alive.

Corrupt Journalists are the only ones who were intended to not have to live until the end. Think of them as the nihilist journalists who want chaos.

[FM Donnelly]

It's a common knowledge rule that town/mafia/cult can only win if they are alive.

Corrupt Journalists are the only ones who were intended to not have to live until the end. Think of them as the nihilist journalists who want chaos.

But you specified in the evil neutral win condition that they must survive. How can you say that it's fair for you to specify it in one win condition but then say that it's implied for another? Did I miss a post where you stated that the theme of this game is inconsistency?

[FM Kalou]

im putting it as a win in my book.

[FM Buchwalter]

It's a common knowledge rule that town/mafia/cult can only win if they are alive.

Corrupt Journalists are the only ones who were intended to not have to live until the end. Think of them as the nihilist journalists who want chaos.

Jester lose if they are alive to the end. Just wanted to remind you.

Please do not be mad at me! T_T

[FM Donnelly]

Jester lose if they are alive to the end. Just wanted to remind you.

Please do not be mad at me! T_T

Also ghosts.

[FM Mendez]

So everyone win but Evil Neutral? That would be funny.

The Cheese stands alone!

[FM Cohen]

It's a common knowledge rule that town/mafia/cult can only win if they are alive.

Corrupt Journalists are the only ones who were intended to not have to live until the end. Think of them as the nihilist journalists who want chaos.

According to the win conditions that you set. Everyone except me and Ryan win. Your "intentions" do not reflect what you wrote down.

(gets tossed off the roof where the party is being held)

[FM Donnelly]

According to the win conditions that you set. Everyone except me and Ryan win. Your "intentions" do not reflect what you wrote down.

(gets tossed off the roof where the party is being held)

Even your own backup tech support co-cohost agrees with me!

If you need further proof that I'm right, look at my blackmails. I had to word them in a very specific way in order to close loopholes, right? I don't see why this should be any different. You didn't specify that town, mafia, savages, or corrupt journalists had to survive to win OR that their wins were mutually exclusive, so now they will ALL fulfill their win condition and, as such, should win. :p

[FM Earle]

I don't really mind that nobody wins. This will be a new record for FM! And I'm sure Becket will not disagree.