S-FM 89: Fist of the North Star

[Azuriae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwnM3eMh3Q8

It is time. The Followers, The Rashos, The Martyr... Even the Maiden and the Orphan have made their way to Shura.
Who will survive their stay in this hellhole?




Living fighters:

42shadow42
allymyers
Apache
Clementine
CmG
Creedkingsx
Mateo
Noctiz
Orpz
powerofdeath
RLVG
Sinclair
Ypmagic


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Rolelist


Kaioh, First Rashō and Creator of the New Century
{Supreme Leader}
{Hidden Rashō}
{Hidden Rashō}
Kenshiro, Successor of the Hokuto Shin Ken
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
Yuria of the Nanto Seitō Kettō
{Maiden}
Shin, Successor of the Nanto Koshū Ken
{Hidden Martyr}

Lin, the Lost Orphan
{Hidden Orphan}

The game will start at this time, on Day 1. (http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=6%2F17%2F2013+11%3A00+PM+EST&x=-1244&y=-71)

Setup: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/18967-S-FM-Fist-of-the-North-Star
Please PM me if you have any questions or concerns.

v v v
You may NOT claim RP names.

[Azuriae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCyf1AwOJ8



Day 1

Bloodbath




The fight for Shura has begun!


7 votes are required to lynch. Please remember that we are not using vote tags.


The day ends at 23:00 EST. (http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=6%2F18%2F2013+11%3A00+PM+EST&x=-1244&y=-71)

[powerofdeath]

Sup guys! Claiming survivor here

[Orpz]

Hi guys

powerofdeath

[powerofdeath]

Hi guys

powerofdeath

Lol
orpz

[Orpz]

Lol
orpz

If you had to random vote one person, who would it be?

[Mateo]

Lol
orpz

NOT ORPZ HE MY BUDDY!

-vote powerofdeath

[powerofdeath]

If you had to random vote one person, who would it be?
you

;p

[Orpz]

NOT ORPZ HE MY BUDDY!

-vote powerofdeath

-high5-
thanks m8, I owe you one

[Mateo]

i have a lead: i was rbed last night

was there a lookout on me by chance?

[clementine]

RLVG

Because if we pressure him I will know if he is scum.

[ypmagic]

Are we gonna speak Japanese using Google Translate? Or just English? xD/

[clementine]

i have a lead: i was rbed last night

was there a lookout on me by chance?

Mateo

Lynch all liars.

[powerofdeath]

Orpz and mateo are buddy = obvious scums

Wait wat theres night one?

[Mateo]

Orpz and mateo are buddy = obvious scums

Wait wat theres night one?

yea you didnt take any night actions? that could be game throwing >.>

[clementine]

Are we gonna speak Japanese using Google Translate? Or just English? xD/

Nah lets all just speak Korean.

bibimbap.
japchae.
soondubu.
kimchi.

[Orpz]

Clementine

I got your back Mateo
this is what friends are for

[Orpz]

Nah lets all just speak Korean.

bibimbap.
japchae.
soondubu.
kimchi.

sejong pyongyang daejong seoul

[Mateo]

Clementine

I got your back Mateo
this is what friends are for

thanks buddy :)

-vote clementine

obv scum

[powerofdeath]

yea you didnt take any night actions? that could be game throwing >.>

My role cant gamethrow

[Mateo]

My role cant gamethrow

role claiming d1 with no pressure= obv scum

[clementine]

yea you didnt take any night actions? that could be game throwing >.>

Misleading the town! Seriously guys. This guy needs to go.

[Mateo]

Misleading the town! Seriously guys. This guy needs to go.

he claimed surv not town

why are you protecting him?

[clementine]

he claimed surv not town

why are you protecting him?

Can you use names instead of pronouns? I'm finding it a bit hard to follow you here.

[powerofdeath]

kSiding with town mateo
Orpz is prob just town but mateo is seriously obviouso

[Mateo]

Can you use names instead of pronouns? I'm finding it a bit hard to follow you here.

him = powerofdeath

[Orpz]

Can you use names instead of pronouns? I'm finding it a bit hard to follow you here.

PoD's the only one who claimed Survivor so far

dw mateo i still got u

[ypmagic]

I find all you peoples cum. Did I say cum? I meant scum.

-vote clementine

[Orpz]

Sheep scum. Can't be Jester, PoD is uncc'd neutral.
let's get him buddies

ypmagic

[Mateo]

PoD's the only one who claimed Survivor so far

dw mateo i still got u

thanks, clem is obv scum, protecting survivor. she even changed her avatar to a sheep cuz shes gonna sheep votes

[Mateo]

-vote ypmagic

[powerofdeath]

Trolls day one *roll eyes* Going to sleep naow

[Mateo]

Trolls day one *roll eyes* Going to sleep naow

dont sleep thru this night too, you might get modkilled

[ypmagic]

Is it a random lynch day? Or is my reasoning just bad. Now, you're all scum.

[Mateo]

Is it a random lynch day? Or is my reasoning just bad. Now, you're all scum.

fosing your foser. classic scum strategy.

[Azuriae]

Just making this clear;

Last wills are allowed for everyone. Death notes are reserved to the Rashōs/Martyr.

Poor wording on my part in the setup.

[clementine]

Since there is a lookout possible in this setup but no mass murderer or framer, I would like to propose a standard lookout plan:

Standard Lookout Plan:
The purpose of the standard lookout plan is to provide a lookout with information on power roles in the game to hold people accountable later in the game.

One role that does not mind being role blocked should claim and be elected the target of the lookout and other power roles.

A lookout that may or may not be present in the setup can watch the target.
Town power roles that give feedback, as well as protective roles should visit the target as well. A list of these roles include: bodyguard, doctor, escort, journalist, lookout [A bus driver should NOT visit the target]
Mafia roles such as consort and drug dealer may choose to visit the target in order to pretend that they are bodyguard, doctor, escort, journalist, lookout for a claim later on in the game.

This can help us figure out which roles are in the game and help the lookout start to match up players with possible roles.

Please post any comments or critique you may have regarding this plan.

We should only go through with it if at least 7 players agree (since there are 7 town roles - possibly 8 if the Maiden becomes town aligned). Please post -agree or -disagree in bold orange and I will keep a tally.

[ypmagic]

-agree

[clementine]

-agree

Can you explain a little bit about why you agree with this plan?

[Orpz]

-disagree

No guarantee of a Lookout, TPR would have claimed for no reason, many TPRs would have focused on a townie for no reason.

[Mateo]

Can you explain a little bit about why you agree with this plan?

because yp is sheeping town.

-disagree

[ypmagic]

Can you explain a little bit about why you agree with this plan?

One is that my role would interfere with investigative feedbacks, and would later out my role. Second, it'll mislynch people.

[Orpz]

afk

[Mateo]

One is that my role would interfere with investigative feedbacks, and would later out my role. Second, it'll mislynch people.

wut

sounds like you disagree with the plan

[clementine]

-disagree

No guarantee of a Lookout, TPR would have claimed for no reason, many TPRs would have focused on a townie for no reason.

No TPR have to claim for this plan: the lookout will just be able to see which players visit the target. Additionally, if This plan gets mafia to spend actions on the lookout target then it prevents them from acting elsewhere to mess things up. (I.e. if someone outside of the selected target claims rb'ed then we know there is a consort.) I think that it's not focusing on one townie for no reason because of this. Remember again that all other investigative PRs are encouraged to check other people besides the target,

[clementine]

because yp is sheeping town.

-disagree

Can you comment on the actual plan instead of focusing on ypmagic's reply to it? I am interested what you think.

[clementine]

One is that my role would interfere with investigative feedbacks, and would later out my role. Second, it'll mislynch people.

How does it mislynch people? I think I'm missing something in your explanation. Can you explicitly connect the dots for me?

[ypmagic]

My role starts with a B and doesn't end with a D.

[Mateo]

Can you comment on the actual plan instead of focusing on ypmagic's reply to it? I am interested what you think.

for that night, no one will get investigate/ protected except a townie. and maf could target the townie, and lookout would see the whole town visiting him

[Mateo]

My role starts with a B and doesn't end with a D.

just admitted to being blackmailer. lynch this scum

[ypmagic]

just admitted to being blackmailer. lynch this scum

Executioner? Maybe? Are you Lin? ^^

[Mateo]

Executioner? Maybe? Are you Lin? ^^

discrediting your accuser. another scum tactic.

and no im not lin >.>

[Mateo]

to prove it

-unvote

[ypmagic]

discrediting your accuser. another scum tactic.

and no im not lin >.>

You sound much like it. Stop thinking so negative and answer clem's question. After that I'll unvote.

-vote Mateo

[ypmagic]

Here's my thoughts of people who have posted a bit today.

Mateo
Very suspicious in many ways. Firstly, he does not look to the possibilities and assumes everybody is scum, especially me. I have every reason to believe he is Lin, the Executioner. What else could he possibly be when he's trying to make me look like I'm Mafia? He's counterclaiming every comment I make. If my thought is false, it is definite that powerofdeath is the Survivor. Until then, powerofdeath is on the scum list.
Clementine
Clem should be trusted right now. Being very pro-town and thinking of ways to find out who's the scum. I want to go with Clem's plan because it will provide us with better and improved information while the other people would be randoming who to choose for the night action. In conclusion, Clem should be trusted at this point.
Powerofdeath
First post to claim a role, and yet its Survivor. Is this possible with the finger-pointing Mateo? I don't know. But power is on my scum list until he's proven or Mateo is proven to be Town.

[ypmagic]

Day 1 suspects for me are Mateo and powerofdeath. Rejections?

[clementine]

for that night, no one will get investigate/ protected except a townie. and maf could target the townie, and lookout would see the whole town visiting him

The plan actually does not ask for investigative roles (besides the lookout) to visit the target. Therefore your concern that people won't get investigated isn't valid. I also think that there is always risk of people dying especially in PR heavy setups so it's worth getting lookout results in this instance.

I should also check and see if the gf is immune to detection because if he is the lookout can narrow down a list of who the godfather is not.

Keeping this in mind, does it change your opinion about the plan?

[clementine]

Here's my thoughts of people who have posted a bit today.

Mateo
Very suspicious in many ways. Firstly, he does not look to the possibilities and assumes everybody is scum, especially me. I have every reason to believe he is Lin, the Executioner. What else could he possibly be when he's trying to make me look like I'm Mafia? He's counterclaiming every comment I make. If my thought is false, it is definite that powerofdeath is the Survivor. Until then, powerofdeath is on the scum list.
Clementine
Clem should be trusted right now. Being very pro-town and thinking of ways to find out who's the scum. I want to go with Clem's plan because it will provide us with better and improved information while the other people would be randoming who to choose for the night action. In conclusion, Clem should be trusted at this point.
Powerofdeath
First post to claim a role, and yet its Survivor. Is this possible with the finger-pointing Mateo? I don't know. But power is on my scum list until he's proven or Mateo is proven to be Town.

Do you trust my plan or do you trust me? Is it possible to trust the plan but not trust me? Would it be possible to trust me but not trust the plan?

Orpz has also posted. Why omit him from your list?

[Mateo]

Since there is a lookout possible in this setup but no mass murderer or framer, I would like to propose a standard lookout plan:

Standard Lookout Plan:
The purpose of the standard lookout plan is to provide a lookout with information on power roles in the game to hold people accountable later in the game.

One role that does not mind being role blocked should claim and be elected the target of the lookout and other power roles.

A lookout that may or may not be present in the setup can watch the target.
Town power roles that give feedback, as well as protective roles should visit the target as well. A list of these roles include: bodyguard, doctor, escort, journalist, lookout [A bus driver should NOT visit the target]
Mafia roles such as consort and drug dealer may choose to visit the target in order to pretend that they are bodyguard, doctor, escort, journalist, lookout for a claim later on in the game.

This can help us figure out which roles are in the game and help the lookout start to match up players with possible roles.

Please post any comments or critique you may have regarding this plan.

We should only go through with it if at least 7 players agree (since there are 7 town roles - possibly 8 if the Maiden becomes town aligned). Please post -agree or -disagree in bold orange and I will keep a tally.

i bolded the part that contradicts what you just said

[clementine]

i bolded the part that contradicts what you just said

Investigative PRs like sheriff/invest/detective do not GIVE feedback rather they RECEIVE it. Can you explicitly post the lines that contradict since I'm really not sure what you are talking about.

Also godfather is not immune to detection by lookouts so scratch that (about the post earlier)

[ypmagic]

Do you trust my plan or do you trust me? Is it possible to trust the plan but not trust me? Would it be possible to trust me but not trust the plan?

Orpz has also posted. Why omit him from your list?

Orpz has not posted anything relevent to what we are talking about right now. I excluded him until he comes back and gives his opinion about the plan. It's too early to be given the chance to trust anyone really. The plan is very trustworthy and it'll get us all positive results the next day. What I'm concerned is that most people are going to disobey this and just act on their own.

[Orpz]

No TPR have to claim for this plan: the lookout will just be able to see which players visit the target. Additionally, if This plan gets mafia to spend actions on the lookout target then it prevents them from acting elsewhere to mess things up. (I.e. if someone outside of the selected target claims rb'ed then we know there is a consort.) I think that it's not focusing on one townie for no reason because of this. Remember again that all other investigative PRs are encouraged to check other people besides the target,

oh lol for some reason I assumed you wanted the target to claim a role. Your explanations also make sense but yet there's still no guarantee of a lookout. If only roles that give feedback are visiting, I feel like that's very limited and that the hassle of towns focusing on another town (I say this because I'm certain the person volunteering to be rb'd is town) isn't really worth it. Either way the investigative roles are out on other people so it doesn't help/hinder those roles. The plan just seems underwhelming.

@ypmagic I exist you jerk. And PoD is almost 100% Survivor. It's common for Survivors to claim right off the bat, as it's in no one's best interest to off a Survivor claim, except the real neutral should he be fake.

[Orpz]

Orpz has not posted anything relevent to what we are talking about right now. I excluded him until he comes back and gives his opinion about the plan. It's too early to be given the chance to trust anyone really. The plan is very trustworthy and it'll get us all positive results the next day. What I'm concerned is that most people are going to disobey this and just act on their own.

-disagree

No guarantee of a Lookout, TPR would have claimed for no reason, many TPRs would have focused on a townie for no reason.

2char

[ypmagic]

@ypmagic I exist you jerk. And PoD is almost 100% Survivor. It's common for Survivors to claim right off the bat, as it's in no one's best interest to off a Survivor claim, except the real neutral should he be fake.

Instead of trying to criticize people's comments, why not post yours? What is your opinion on Mateo's posts about me? Do you think he is Neutral? What makes you think that powerofdeath is 100% Survivor? After all, it is Day 1. You shouldn't be trusting what people claim Day 1. Survivor is a very easy role to call and if the Executioner was to state he was Neutral, then it would be obvious that Mateo is Executioner. Look at his posts and get back to me please.

[ypmagic]

2char

Like I said, a bit early to assume that Lookout isn't possible.

[Mateo]

i have voted on everyone but orpz, and scrutinized everyones posts not just yours. seems you have mafia guilt.

[ypmagic]

i have voted on everyone but orpz, and scrutinized everyones posts not just yours. seems you have mafia guilt.

Define "everyone". It seems you just criticized MY posts. I've counted four or five. Haven't seen you discredit other posts. You voted everyone but Orpz because you random voted. Day 1 Troll is common.

[42shadow42]

Who's kenshiro?

[ypmagic]

Who's kenshiro?

Town.

[Mateo]

Define "everyone". It seems you just criticized MY posts. I've counted four or five. Haven't seen you discredit other posts. You voted everyone but Orpz because you random voted. Day 1 Troll is common.

actually i criticized clems and powers posts too. lying about the what happened, another scum tell.

[clementine]

What I'm concerned is that most people are going to disobey this and just act on their own.

This is perhaps the biggest downside to the plan, which is why it is important to get enough agreement to move forward in order to make it useful.


oh lol for some reason I assumed you wanted the target to claim a role. Your explanations also make sense but yet there's still no guarantee of a lookout. If only roles that give feedback are visiting, I feel like that's very limited and that the hassle of towns focusing on another town (I say this because I'm certain the person volunteering to be rb'd is town) isn't really worth it. Either way the investigative roles are out on other people so it doesn't help/hinder those roles. The plan just seems underwhelming.

@ypmagic I exist you jerk. And PoD is almost 100% Survivor. It's common for Survivors to claim right off the bat, as it's in no one's best interest to off a Survivor claim, except the real neutral should he be fake.

Ideally the plan would help lend credibility to doc/bodyguard/escort/etc claimers. imo it's too easy as scum to just claim doctor, but if the doctor is assumed to visit the target and be seen by the lookout on N1, it will either force scum to visit the target if they want to consider a doc claim later OR it will give us a bit of security that later on doc/bg claims are legit because scum will worry about being caught. Do you see how this could be a positive that comes out of the plan?


i have voted on everyone but orpz, and scrutinized everyones posts not just yours. seems you have mafia guilt.

Would you be able to elaborate on "mafia guilt" by quoting some specific quotes? This is important for helping others follow your arguments to prove that you're not just blowing steam.

[Mateo]

This is perhaps the biggest downside to the plan, which is why it is important to get enough agreement to move forward in order to make it useful.



Ideally the plan would help lend credibility to doc/bodyguard/escort/etc claimers. imo it's too easy as scum to just claim doctor, but if the doctor is assumed to visit the target and be seen by the lookout on N1, it will either force scum to visit the target if they want to consider a doc claim later OR it will give us a bit of security that later on doc/bg claims are legit because scum will worry about being caught. Do you see how this could be a positive that comes out of the plan?



Would you be able to elaborate on "mafia guilt" by quoting some specific quotes? This is important for helping others follow your arguments to prove that you're not just blowing steam.

hes getting super defensive and claiming im singling him out when thats not the case. keeps trying to pin me as executioner, discrediting anything i might say in the future.

[Orpz]

Like I said, a bit early to assume that Lookout isn't possible.

When did I say it wasn't possible? I know it's possible because I've read the setup.


Instead of trying to criticize people's comments, why not post yours? What is your opinion on Mateo's posts about me? Do you think he is Neutral? What makes you think that powerofdeath is 100% Survivor? After all, it is Day 1. You shouldn't be trusting what people claim Day 1. Survivor is a very easy role to call and if the Executioner was to state he was Neutral, then it would be obvious that Mateo is Executioner. Look at his posts and get back to me please.

Mateo is not Neutral. I don't know what he is other than that he's my buddy.
PoD is 100% survivor at this moment because he's not special ed. If he plans to retract it, ok. But if not, he's Survivor.
I don't understand. Why are you calling Mateo both a troll and an Executioner?

[ypmagic]

I don't understand. Why are you calling Mateo both a troll and an Executioner?

What do you think about when he's criticizing every post I make? I think he's trying to get everyone's attention and get votes on me. When I realized it, he even unvoted. Now I really know hes Executioner, or hes actually a troll.

[Mateo]

yp sheeped clems idea, then gives reasons why he agrees with it that prove he didnt even read it. i found this suspicious so i pressured him and he got defensive.

[Orpz]

What do you think about when he's criticizing every post I make? I think he's trying to get everyone's attention and get votes on me. When I realized it, he even unvoted. Now I really know hes Executioner, or hes actually a troll.

What's so bad about it? Are you scum scared of slipping? Doing so gives Day 1 reads on both of you. Legitimate discussion on Day 1 is rarer than shiny pokemon.

He's not Executioner. Relax. Accusing him of that is just stupid, as you'd also simultaneously be accusing PoD of lying. Day 1, Survivor claims are often the most legit claims.

inb4 y u defending him so hard?
A: he's my buddy. and his posts seem very town.



Ideally the plan would help lend credibility to doc/bodyguard/escort/etc claimers. imo it's too easy as scum to just claim doctor, but if the doctor is assumed to visit the target and be seen by the lookout on N1, it will either force scum to visit the target if they want to consider a doc claim later OR it will give us a bit of security that later on doc/bg claims are legit because scum will worry about being caught. Do you see how this could be a positive that comes out of the plan?

I see. This could work, then. I mislynch doctors too often :p
I volunteer my body to be healed, tracked, and sexed, and shit if this plan goes down.

[clementine]

What do you think about when he's criticizing every post I make? I think he's trying to get everyone's attention and get votes on me. When I realized it, he even unvoted. Now I really know hes Executioner, or hes actually a troll.

If it really counts, Mateo tried to grab attention at the beginning of the game by troll claiming that there were night actions last night and he was roleblocked. He also attempted to agitate me as well, I just never took the bait.

I can't really see why scum would want to draw so much attention to themselves, so for now Mateo is probably town with a slight read of jester.

[allymyers]

yp sheeped clems idea, then gives reasons why he agrees with it that prove he didnt even read it. i found this suspicious so i pressured him and he got defensive.

Hey this is my first game, so i have no idea what im doing, but i agree with this and i think ypmagic and clem are mafia together

[clementine]

yp sheeped clems idea, then gives reasons why he agrees with it that prove he didnt even read it. i found this suspicious so i pressured him and he got defensive.

ypmagic already has softclaimed a role that should be easily provable. He's either scum or he's not, and I think it should be really obvious within a few days which one he is. For now, I think it's better to move on to pressuring other people and asking questions for the new arrivers like 42shadow42.

I, myself, am waiting to see his response to the lookout plan.

[Orpz]

Hey this is my first game, so i have no idea what im doing, but i agree with this and i think ypmagic and clem are mafia together

what's your role? Answer only if it's red or orange.

[clementine]

Hey this is my first game, so i have no idea what im doing, but i agree with this and i think ypmagic and clem are mafia together

What is your opinion about my proposed lookout plan? Do you think it would work well in the town's interests? Do you see any flaws in it (if so, what are the flaws you see)?

[Mateo]

what's your role? Answer only if it's red or orange.

i agree with this post

[Orpz]

I don't like how ypmagic (sorta)explicitly claims his role (super confirmable town role Bus Driver), then implies day 1 claimers are usually bsing scum. fak u for that.
Ofc, this is prob just an honest overlooked contradiction. I believe ypmagic is town.

[allymyers]

what's your role? Answer only if it's red or orange.

i guess i wont claim

QUOTE=clementine;337347]What is your opinion about my proposed lookout plan? Do you think it would work well in the town's interests? Do you see any flaws in it (if so, what are the flaws you see)?[/QUOTE]

your plan could b in towns interest or in mafias interest but i feel like you're directing your consort or drug dealer to agree. ypmagic agreees and claims a role that the drug dealer could fake.

[ypmagic]

I don't like how ypmagic (sorta)explicitly claims his role (super confirmable town role Bus Driver), then implies day 1 claimers are usually bsing scum. fak u for that.
Ofc, this is prob just an honest overlooked contradiction. I believe ypmagic is town.

When did I say Day 1 claimers are bsing scum? I just said that Mateo kept criticizing my posts and I think that he's Executioner. I never said Survivor claims are bs. They could be useful for catching other scum like Mateo.

[clementine]

i guess i wont claim

your plan could b in towns interest or in mafias interest but i feel like you're directing your consort or drug dealer to agree. ypmagic agreees and claims a role that the drug dealer could fake.

newbie with town paranoia. allymyers is town.

[ypmagic]

There's a drug dealer in this game?

[Mateo]

i guess i wont claim

QUOTE=clementine;337347]What is your opinion about my proposed lookout plan? Do you think it would work well in the town's interests? Do you see any flaws in it (if so, what are the flaws you see)?

your plan could b in towns interest or in mafias interest but i feel like you're directing your consort or drug dealer to agree. ypmagic agreees and claims a role that the drug dealer could fake.[/QUOTE]

ally brings up a good point

[allymyers]

newbie with town paranoia. allymyers is town.

give me a reason to believe you're town

[clementine]

When did I say Day 1 claimers are bsing scum? I just said that Mateo kept criticizing my posts and I think that he's Executioner. I never said Survivor claims are bs. They could be useful for catching other scum like Mateo.

ypmagic, why would a scum Mateo want to draw attention to himself by trolling early on and claiming people missed night actions and then by acting generally belligerent towards other players? I just don't see what scum gains from playing like he is playing...

[allymyers]

ypmagic, why would a scum Mateo want to draw attention to himself by trolling early on and claiming people missed night actions and then by acting generally belligerent towards other players? I just don't see what scum gains from playing like he is playing...

and yet you voted him when he brought attention to himself....


Mateo

Lynch all liars.

[Mateo]

Who's kenshiro?

shows up and asks for a town to reveal, even though the rules state no rp name claiming.

-vote 42shadow42

[Orpz]

When did I say Day 1 claimers are bsing scum? I just said that Mateo kept criticizing my posts and I think that he's Executioner. I never said Survivor claims are bs. They could be useful for catching other scum like Mateo.

I said you implied it. And you implied it here:


After all, it is Day 1. You shouldn't be trusting what people claim Day 1. Survivor is a very easy role to call and if the Executioner was to state he was Neutral, then it would be obvious that Mateo is Executioner. Look at his posts and get back to me please.


give me a reason to believe you're town

Who do you think is scum right now? WHo do you think is town? At the moment you're reading this. Don't you dare skip back! that's cheating

[Mateo]

shows up and asks for a town to reveal, even though the rules state no rp name claiming.

-vote 42shadow42

addendum: ypmagic also asked me to rp name claim, even though it might get me modkilled. scummy.

[allymyers]

Who do you think is scum right now? WHo do you think is town? At the moment you're reading this. Don't you dare skip back! that's cheating

mateo and you are town. Clem and ypmagic are scum.

[clementine]

and yet you voted him when he brought attention to himself....

I think lying is anti-town and that town should not lie. However, I have since evaluated Mateo's actions as not having any significant benefit if he is scum which makes me read him as town.

[Mateo]

orpz what do you think of shadow showing up only to ask town to reveal? i guess he could be maiden but could be neut killer (forgot his name)

[Sinclair]

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. I'm not going to be post much because I must be up in 5 hours.

While I like your initiative, clem, I do not agree with your plan. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your plan include wasting a night visiting a lookout? While a PR could be out searching and scowering all the land for scum? (I did skim over it, my eyes have anvils on them)

Also, I cannot yet tell who is scum or not. So, with that, I bid you all a good night.

[Sinclair]

Also please excuse my poor grammar and formatting, for I am sending these messages through a mobile device.

[Orpz]

orpz what do you think of shadow showing up only to ask town to reveal? i guess he could be maiden but could be neut killer (forgot his name)

Scummy and he knows it. There's no other classification for asking town to reveal and bailing :p
If he was Maiden, he wouldn't reveal as he'd probably die to both Kenshiro and that other guy .
If he was Neutral Killer, it's possible that he'd want to eliminate his sexual competition to gain an ally. But it's a little bold to just leave right after and get attention on himself. Not good for a person without allies.

[Orpz]

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. I'm not going to be post much because I must be up in 5 hours.

While I like your initiative, clem, I do not agree with your plan. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your plan include wasting a night visiting a lookout? While a PR could be out searching and scowering all the land for scum? (I did skim over it, my eyes have anvils on them)

Also, I cannot yet tell who is scum or not. So, with that, I bid you all a good night.

You're leaving us already??????
It's ok me too. Good night all

[clementine]

What happens if the Maiden is visited by a doctor, Kenshiro, and Shin on the same night?

[allymyers]

I think lying is anti-town and that town should not lie. However, I have since evaluated Mateo's actions as not having any significant benefit if he is scum which makes me read him as town.

are you retarded? you knew this day didnt happen... yet decided to vote him for lying about it?

[clementine]

are you retarded? you knew this day didnt happen... yet decided to vote him for lying about it?

All lying is anti town. Town should have no problem winning ever if townies don't lie. Therefore only scum should ever have to lie.

[Azuriae]

What happens if the Maiden is visited by a doctor, Kenshiro, and Shin on the same night?

The Maiden would die. Her death cannot be avoided in this situation.
Kenshiro and Shin would learn her identity and both of them would be roleblocked.

[ypmagic]

addendum: ypmagic also asked me to rp name claim, even though it might get me modkilled. scummy.

When the hell did I ask you to RP Name Claim? Reference the post. Or your scummy.

[Mateo]

When the hell did I ask you to RP Name Claim? Reference the post. Or your scummy.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20953-S-FM-89-Fist-of-the-North-Star?p=337297&viewfull=1#post337297

right here scum

[ypmagic]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20953-S-FM-89-Fist-of-the-North-Star?p=337297&viewfull=1#post337297

right here scum

I didn't ask you to tell your RP Name. I asked you if you were the Neutral, which in this case is Lin. It's a simple Yes or No answer.

[Apache]

i'm not quite sure about this plan. what makes you so sure there is even a lookout? if not it'd be a total waste

also i don't even trust you yet clemetine. maybe you're trying to look pro-town with that plan (that might not even benefit at all). you're ensuring that everyone notices how 'pro town' you are because you ask everyone to post opinions about it so the plan is a huge part of today's day chat.
furthermore if you're mafia you know the mafia roles of course and with this knowledge you could make up this plan to confirm your mafia roles. for example if you have 2 out of consig, consort, drug dealer you could easily prepare a doc/escort claim though the latter wouldn't be that useful because blockers can confirm themselves easily anyway and it won't exclude consort/drug dealer possibility
you even said that we could use it to confirm docs so maybe you're really trying to prepare a doc claim for your consig. that means that you would probably be the consig yourself since you wouldn't know if your mate wants to claim this. you could also claim invest but then everyone would say consig anyway. and if you claim doc noone even thinks of consig and you can prove it pretty much because you visited that guy.
also if you're not mafia, the mafia might abuse this plan the way i pointed out

in the very moment there are 2 things you can be: the one is a specific town role which i won't tell and the other is scum (most likely consig)

please answer my concerns and i will tell you if i agree or not.

[Apache]

oh and your 'not lying' bullshit is bullshit

[NoctiZ]

I will be reading through the day.

[powerofdeath]

Powerofdeath disagree with this plan.
Powerofdeath is afraid of Mass Murderer
Powerofdeath is not sure if MM is actually one of the option
Powerofdeath don't really care about the plan
Powerofdeath can't visit

[NoctiZ]

Clem's plan can help us but it doesn't make her necessarily town as the plan isn't a sure-fire way to win.

No reason to distrust POD for now, it's possible that he is scum though.

Mateo is a bit trolly.

Ypmagic smells fishy because he is being too defensive.

Orpz is kinda the same as clementine in terms of looking town.

Apache seems scum.

allymyers is a bit hard to read but he seems a bit aggressive.

[RLVG]

Woke up at 13:00, got on computer 13:20 and finished reading at 13:35.
At 18:00, I'm at a movie party. Some sort of celebration of a movie that I and others have made.
I should prepare around 16:45 then wait for them to pick me up.

Sup guys.

[Apache]

o dat's intrestin y exacly i see scummey

[Apache]

Woke up at 13:00, got on computer 13:20 and finished reading at 13:35.
At 18:00, I'm at a movie party. Some sort of celebration of a movie that I and others have made.
I should prepare around 16:45 then wait for them to pick me up.

Sup guys.

which movie? (this is very important^^)
if you finished reading why not post?

[RLVG]

which movie? (this is very important^^)
if you finished reading why not post?

Movie is pretty much just an experiment on all of our tools, equipment and the ability to edit and clip scenes properly.
Not sure if ever going to be published, but I'm an actor there. :p

Now, what should I post exactly? Everyone has already constructively posted their opinions on The Plan and I dislike copypaste-steal from others.
1. Doesn't confirm town, 2. Why would there be a lookout?, 3. Plan has some flaws.

[Mateo]

Clem's plan can help us but it doesn't make her necessarily town as the plan isn't a sure-fire way to win.

No reason to distrust POD for now, it's possible that he is scum though.

Mateo is a bit trolly.

Ypmagic smells fishy because he is being too defensive.

Orpz is kinda the same as clementine in terms of looking town.

Apache seems scum.

allymyers is a bit hard to read but he seems a bit aggressive.

allymyers is town, this is their first time and being aggressive is normal for first timers. also as clem said ally has town paranoia

clem could be scum, suggesting a plan that seems to benefit town without endangering her scum buddies

ypmagic is suspicious for more reasons than just being defensive. if you read clems plan it says very clearly for the busdriver not to target the lookout's target. he agrees with the plan then gives reasons that show he didnt even read the suggestion (he says that his visiting the lookouts target would mess with leads)

orpz is my friend, and friends dont hurt each other. so i know he is town.

42shadow42 he requires additional pressure. the fact everyone but orpz is ignoring his scummy post makes you all look like scum

[NoctiZ]

allymyers is town, this is their first time and being aggressive is normal for first timers. also as clem said ally has town paranoia

clem could be scum, suggesting a plan that seems to benefit town without endangering her scum buddies

ypmagic is suspicious for more reasons than just being defensive. if you read clems plan it says very clearly for the busdriver not to target the lookout's target. he agrees with the plan then gives reasons that show he didnt even read the suggestion (he says that his visiting the lookouts target would mess with leads)

orpz is my friend, and friends dont hurt each other. so i know he is town.

42shadow42 he requires additional pressure. the fact everyone but orpz is ignoring his scummy post makes you all look like scum

shadow's post is the one looking scummy, it's not the other way round.

You also pretty much confirmed all of my reads. Why don't you contribute instead of rephrase what I was saying already?

[Apache]

inb4 you (matea) and orpz are scum buddies

i don't think shadow is suspicious. maybe he's just the maiden
may the leader claim his RP name so the maiden knows that she should visit him? (just asking out of interest, don't conclude that i am maiden or that leader guy)

[Apache]

-vote NoctiZ

tries to bypass my question

[Mateo]

shadow's post is the one looking scummy, it's not the other way round.

You also pretty much confirmed all of my reads. Why don't you contribute instead of rephrase what I was saying already?

why dont you read my post again? i said shadows post makes him seem scummy, yet everyone is ignoring it (including you). also i wasnt rephrasing what you said, i said orpz is town and so is ally. i also expanded on ypmagics scumminess.

stop trying to discredit me scum

[Mateo]

inb4 you (matea) and orpz are scum buddies

i don't think shadow is suspicious. maybe he's just the maiden
may the leader claim his RP name so the maiden knows that she should visit him? (just asking out of interest, don't conclude that i am maiden or that leader guy)

it has already been stated that maiden cannot be healed if both shin and kenshiro visit her same night. if this was the maidens attempt to get attention it is a death wish

[NoctiZ]

why dont you read my post again? i said shadows post makes him seem scummy, yet everyone is ignoring it (including you). also i wasnt rephrasing what you said, i said orpz is town and so is ally. i also expanded on ypmagics scumminess.

stop trying to discredit me scum

You are desperately trying to gain town points. Saying Orpz is your friend and therefore an ally doesn't make you more townish. And expanding on ypmagic's scumminess is okay.

Ignoring shadow's post is because it was a trolly post, like yours were at the beginning.


may the leader claim his RP name so the maiden knows that she should visit him?
It has already been stated that claiming your RP name is not allowed.

As to your scumminess, I will get to that.

[Azuriae]

inb4 you (matea) and orpz are scum buddies

i don't think shadow is suspicious. maybe he's just the maiden
may the leader claim his RP name so the maiden knows that she should visit him? (just asking out of interest, don't conclude that i am maiden or that leader guy)

No exceptions. Kenshiro may not claim his RP name. RP names will be revealed in the graveyard

[NoctiZ]

i'm not quite sure about this plan. what makes you so sure there is even a lookout? if not it'd be a total waste

also i don't even trust you yet clemetine. maybe you're trying to look pro-town with that plan (that might not even benefit at all). you're ensuring that everyone notices how 'pro town' you are because you ask everyone to post opinions about it so the plan is a huge part of today's day chat.
furthermore if you're mafia you know the mafia roles of course and with this knowledge you could make up this plan to confirm your mafia roles. for example if you have 2 out of consig, consort, drug dealer you could easily prepare a doc/escort claim though the latter wouldn't be that useful because blockers can confirm themselves easily anyway and it won't exclude consort/drug dealer possibility
you even said that we could use it to confirm docs so maybe you're really trying to prepare a doc claim for your consig. that means that you would probably be the consig yourself since you wouldn't know if your mate wants to claim this. you could also claim invest but then everyone would say consig anyway. and if you claim doc noone even thinks of consig and you can prove it pretty much because you visited that guy.
also if you're not mafia, the mafia might abuse this plan the way i pointed out

in the very moment there are 2 things you can be: the one is a specific town role which i won't tell and the other is scum (most likely consig)

please answer my concerns and i will tell you if i agree or not.

You seem passive-aggressive reacting to a plan that is completely fine to discuss about, but you are pointing out flaws while not providing new thoughts to a better plan; someone who found such flaws would need to have something else on mind is how I see it.
The way you pointed out the flaws seem like you are Mafia gaining town points all the while discrediting clementine which would work out in your favor.

That's all you did in your first post which is why I see you as scum.

[ypmagic]

You are desperately trying to gain town points. Saying Orpz is your friend and therefore an ally doesn't make you more townish. And expanding on ypmagic's scumminess is okay.

So it's okay to talk scummy about ypmagic.... Did I do something wrong? What could I have possibly done to make myself scummy? All I said was Mateo was acting like an Executioner because he's keep criticizing every one of my posts. Even now, he is. If no ones going to listen to me and think that I'm scummy, I'll be willing to be replaced. I've waited a long time for this FM and you people aren't listening.

[NoctiZ]

So it's okay to talk scummy about ypmagic.... Did I do something wrong? What could I have possibly done to make myself scummy? All I said was Mateo was acting like an Executioner because he's keep criticizing every one of my posts. Even now, he is. If no ones going to listen to me and think that I'm scummy, I'll be willing to be replaced. I've waited a long time for this FM and you people aren't listening.

Lol butthurt?

It's perfectly fine to discuss someone's scumminess if we believe there to be one. If you can't handle it then you are free to leave. LOL

[ypmagic]

Lol butthurt?

It's perfectly fine to discuss someone's scumminess if we believe there to be one. If you can't handle it then you are free to leave. LOL

Just saying no ones listening and criticizing every one of my posts. If that's the case, I won't post. Good night.

[Mateo]

Just saying no ones listening and criticizing every one of my posts. If that's the case, I won't post. Good night.

we are SCRUTINIZING not CRITICIZING. and its how we get reads on players day1 when we have no leads.

and now you go into active lurk mode

[ypmagic]

we are SCRUTINIZING not CRITICIZING. and its how we get reads on players day1 when we have no leads.

and now you go into active lurk mode

You are over-scrutinizing my posts and it is NOT how I get reads on players. It might be different for you, but ignoring then "scrutinizing" *cough*criticizing*cough* is not going to get you anywhere but get a bad defense. That is what all players do and I think you should just stop.

@Orpz
I don't understand why you're defending some guy that supposedly is your "friend". Explain how you know he's not scum because he's your "friend". Explain why 100% of all Survivor claims are "legit". Tell me why power can't be Neutral Killing.

[Mateo]

You are over-scrutinizing my posts and it is NOT how I get reads on players. It might be different for you, but ignoring then "scrutinizing" *cough*criticizing*cough* is not going to get you anywhere but get a bad defense. That is what all players do and I think you should just stop.

@Orpz
I don't understand why you're defending some guy that supposedly is your "friend". Explain how you know he's not scum because he's your "friend". Explain why 100% of all Survivor claims are "legit". Tell me why power can't be Neutral Killing.

i thought you were gonna stop posting.

"only scum needs to lie" -clem
so add that to the scum tally

[Apache]

You seem passive-aggressive reacting to a plan that is completely fine to discuss about, but you are pointing out flaws while not providing new thoughts to a better plan; someone who found such flaws would need to have something else on mind is how I see it.
The way you pointed out the flaws seem like you are Mafia gaining town points all the while discrediting clementine which would work out in your favor.

That's all you did in your first post which is why I see you as scum.

you mean i was destructive? well destructive is not necessary bad or scummy. being constructive was unnecessary in this situation because a new plan isn't needed, we can just play as usual
also i was not necessarily destructive because i didn't refuse the plan as a whole. i just had some concerns i want ppl to discuss about and especially i'm awaiting clem's answer.

i can see you as town at the moment
-unvote

[ypmagic]

i thought you were gonna stop posting.

"only scum needs to lie" -clem
so add that to the scum tally

I believe this is a free country with an amendment in our Constitution stating that I can say whatever I want, wherever, whenever.

[CmG]

Boring people, boring game. stupid plan as usual from clementine.

QQ game mechanics qq. mudslinging everywhere. Yawn. Why do i even bother signing up for those games....

Neutral killer is an Arsonist.

the neutral role is executioner / survivor.

8x town roles:

Kenshiro can't be citizen, vigilante, bodyguard, bus driver nor jailor.
Kenshiro might be bus driver if the neutral killer is Electromaniac.

Bodyguard
Doctor
Escort
Investigator
Journalist
Sheriff
Bus Driver

The maiden is a citizen slot


mafia roles

supreme leader
consigliere
consort


Cya tomorrow noobs.

[Mateo]

I believe this is a free country with an amendment in our Constitution stating that I can say whatever I want, wherever, whenever.

I didnt say you COULDNT post. i pointed out that YOU SAID YOU WOULD STOP POSTING

god you really are shit at reading.

[Apache]

Boring people, boring game. stupid plan as usual from clementine.

QQ game mechanics qq. mudslinging everywhere. Yawn. Why do i even bother signing up for those games....

Neutral killer is an Arsonist.

the neutral role is executioner / survivor.

8x town roles:

Kenshiro can't be citizen, vigilante, bodyguard, bus driver nor jailor.
Kenshiro might be bus driver if the neutral killer is Electromaniac.

Bodyguard
Doctor
Escort
Investigator
Journalist
Sheriff
Bus Driver

The maiden is a citizen slot


mafia roles

supreme leader
consigliere
consort


Cya tomorrow noobs.

yes why did you even sign up...
those speculations are
a) pointless
b) just speculations
c) based on nothing
d) wrong

[CmG]

If you claim that they are wrong you just claimed that you have a role which is not mentioned by me. Therefore uninstall your browser right now. Mr pointless Helifapter

[CmG]

Oh here is another one. There is no framer in the setup. Which means we have an executioner.

[Apache]

helifapter?
are you sure this is the only way i can know it's wrong?
are you sure i wasn't aware and it wasn't intended ;)

(btw i have multiple browsers...)

[CmG]

-vote RLVG

Why is this guy even signing up for games? He never plays them anyway and gets lynched Day 1 - 3 for not contributing.

[CmG]

helifapter?
are you sure this is the only way i can know it's wrong?
are you sure i wasn't aware and it wasn't intended ;)

(btw i have multiple browsers...)

If it wouldn't be the exact case you wouldn't have posted this post. Because you would like to have me believe that you are a role which is not on the list. So yeah you totaly slipped there.

[Apache]

also i can also provide myself as a target for clemetines plan if we decide to do it.
i will not use my power so early anyway. my power will only be important late game and is very limited in this fm. it's not almost unlimited like in FM18
luckily a certain role can't be in game, dont worry ;)

but enough about this, uninstall browser time ;)

[RLVG]

-vote RLVG

Why is this guy even signing up for games? He never plays them anyway and gets lynched Day 1 - 3 for not contributing.

Lol, hypocrit. I agree though, dafuq is everyone's problem lynching me early on all S-FM's?
Question : Why is CmG acting so pissed off, randoming and randomly makes a list out of nowhere? Is this town, scum or neutral behavior?

I just finished a shower at 17:25, waiting for the car to come so that I'm driven to the film/movie party/premieré thing.
I'll be around until I'm picked though. I'll be back in like 2-4 hours hopefully.

[CmG]

Dude, she suggests those plans every game she signs up. Search the forum for clementine s-fm m-fm's without anon accounts. Duh and it's always the same response. It's bad because it gives scum free hand at night.

Everyone who is pro lookout plan is scum or retarded or more likely BOTH.

[RLVG]

Dude, she suggests those plans every game she signs up. Search the forum for clementine s-fm m-fm's without anon accounts. Duh and it's always the same response. It's bad because it gives scum free hand at night.

Everyone who is pro lookout plan is scum or retarded or more likely BOTH.

Inb4CmG SK that lurkfests to give an illusion of arsonist.

[CmG]

inb4 you get MVP........ NOT!

[Apache]

Dude, she suggests those plans every game she signs up. Search the forum for clementine s-fm m-fm's without anon accounts. Duh and it's always the same response. It's bad because it gives scum free hand at night.

Everyone who is pro lookout plan is scum or retarded or more likely BOTH.

i wonder who you are talking to

[RLVG]

inb4 you get MVP........ NOT!

Out of the role list that you have made, there's not a single hint of a SK and you have biased a hypothetis on electromaniac if you're incorrect on Arsonist.

Additionally, the combination of these roles are too stupid. (Based on CmG's list)
Bodyguard, Doctor, Escort, Bus Driver.

It may be interpret trolling, but I'll lean more to a softclaim for the Maiden to attempt visiting.

[Apache]

so cmg is basicly saying those plans are always bad just because they're from clemetine?

[Mateo]

so cmg is basicly saying those plans are always bad just because they're from clemetine?

omg NO HES SAYING THE PLANS ARE ALWAYS BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE STUPID AND DONT HELP TOWN.

[CmG]

Rofl. The maiden is a stupid role. All she has to do is... LURK until late game. Why would the maiden want to be visited early? Why change sides soon?

I added bd cuz ypmagic claimed it.

Just scratch 2 out of those town power roles and trade them for cits. I don't care. Do you really think we have all tpr or something? Lulz.

See that's why people lynch you early. You are stubbib.

[Apache]

but what if one day she comes up with a good plan^^
inb4 she has a personal fm achievement list:
[ ] make the town follow my stupid plan

[RLVG]

Why would the maiden want to be visited early? Why change sides soon?

Answer: Better than dying N1 and lose, rather than be recruited and die with a chance of winning.

[CmG]

What? Maiden is a town role if she doesn't get visited. She is listed under town.

[CmG]

but what if one day she comes up with a good plan^^
inb4 she has a personal fm achievement list:
[ ] make the town follow my stupid plan

Nah it's part of her play. Always get some weird plan to get easy town points. To get herself healed, to not die at night :P

[CmG]

I need meta info on Oprz, Mateo, allymyers(lol)?, Fappache and ypmagic.

[RLVG]

What? Maiden is a town role if she doesn't get visited. She is listed under town.

Needs to reunited in order to win.

[Apache]

Rofl. The maiden is a stupid role. All she has to do is... LURK until late game. Why would the maiden want to be visited early? Why change sides soon?

I added bd cuz ypmagic claimed it.

Just scratch 2 out of those town power roles and trade them for cits. I don't care. Do you really think we have all tpr or something? Lulz.

See that's why people lynch you early. You are stubbib.

ehm maiden must visit not be visited. and i would definitely try to visit because it may be too late soon. unless she wants to become jester
and yep she can die => loss because, cmg, how about win conditions:

Maiden: Reunite with Kenshiro or Shin and see their faction win.

[Mateo]

but what if one day she comes up with a good plan^^
inb4 she has a personal fm achievement list:
[ ] make the town follow my stupid plan

STOP BEING A POTATO

THE PLAN IS STUPID.
THE END.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLEM.
IF CLEM WERE TO SUGGEST A GOOD PLAN WE WOULD CONSIDER IT.

THE REASON SHE POSTS IT EVERY GAME IS BECAUSE ITS META PROTECTION.

[CmG]

please read the setup. The maiden can visit -AND- IF kenshiro or shin -VISIT HER- they get roleblocked and she switches alignment or dies if both go for her.

Duh, why can't you people read the setup properly? Is this FM 18 again? SHINEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[powerofdeath]

also i can also provide myself as a target for clemetines plan if we decide to do it.
i will not use my power so early anyway. my power will only be important late game and is very limited in this fm. it's not almost unlimited like in FM18
luckily a certain role can't be in game, dont worry ;)

but enough about this, uninstall browser time ;)

Jailor claim right here
Trust me I know it

[Mateo]

ehm maiden must visit not be visited. and i would definitely try to visit because it may be too late soon. unless she wants to become jester
and yep she can die => loss because, cmg, how about win conditions:

- If Yuria visits Kenshiro/Is visited by Kenshiro, they will learn each other's identity and Kenshiro is roleblocked. Yuria becomes a Citizen.
- If Yuria visits Shin/Is visited by Shin, they will learn each other's identity, Shin is roleblocked and Shin gains the ability to send a letter to Yuria every night. Yuria becomes a Citizen.

plz dont jail anyone youll only hurt town more

[Mateo]

Jailor claim right here
Trust me I know it

no shit, only vig and jailor have limited uses and there wasnt a vig in fm18.

[Apache]

I need meta info on Oprz, Mateo, allymyers(lol)?, Fappache and ypmagic.
what kind of meta info?

oh then i misunderstood this passage
also is this some sort of japanese?

STOP BEING A POTATO

THE PLAN IS STUPID.
THE END.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLEM.
IF CLEM WERE TO SUGGEST A GOOD PLAN WE WOULD CONSIDER IT.

THE REASON SHE POSTS IT EVERY GAME IS BECAUSE ITS META PROTECTION.

na trust me she has a personal achievement list^^ i bet if we do it it will never happen again^^
because then she can
[x]

[Apache]

no shit, only vig and jailor have limited uses and there wasnt a vig in fm18.

i never said it was in fm18


- If Yuria visits Kenshiro/Is visited by Kenshiro, they will learn each other's identity and Kenshiro is roleblocked. Yuria becomes a Citizen.
- If Yuria visits Shin/Is visited by Shin, they will learn each other's identity, Shin is roleblocked and Shin gains the ability to send a letter to Yuria every night. Yuria becomes a Citizen.

plz dont jail anyone youll only hurt town more

2 mistakes in that sentence. i never hurt town so far so the 'more' is wrong
+i would not hurt the town if i did such thing...

[powerofdeath]

Creed and 42 need to post more or they are likely to be replaced

[Apache]

also i said nothing about limited uses

[Mateo]

i never said it was in fm18



2 mistakes in that sentence. i never hurt town so far so the 'more' is wrong
+i would not hurt the town if i did such thing...


also i can also provide myself as a target for clemetines plan if we decide to do it.
i will not use my power so early anyway. my power will only be important late game and is very limited in this fm. it's not almost unlimited like in FM18
luckily a certain role can't be in game, dont worry ;)

but enough about this, uninstall browser time ;)

your lack of intelligence is what will hurt town. you will jail and kill a town, which will hurt more. see where im going?

[Apache]

your lack of intelligence is what will hurt town. you will jail and kill a town, which will hurt more. see where im going?

if i kill a town it wouldn't be my fault. i'm pretty damn sure that i have no 'lack of intelligence'
and i don't see any reason for you to think so maybe explain

[Apache]

you seem to reason my 'lack of intelligence' because i misread that one passage, allright seems legit^^

so since i'm so 'stupid' i don't need to be afraid of getting killed, right, because i will fail anyway

[powerofdeath]

This is what I think:
Godfather or whatever it is called in this game
Consigliere
Consort, if escort in game, I'm sure theres consort
Jailor, if there is a jailor, Im pretty am sure there is no vig and apache claimed
Busdriver ypmagic claimed
Doctor what kind of game doesnt have doc?
Sheriff-town need some kind of investigative roles
Escort - to roleblock kills
Investigator - need a back up investigative roles
Journalist - possible, we will find out tomorrow
Citizen - to balance
Neut killing - i have a feeling its either arson/electro

[Mateo]

you seem to reason my 'lack of intelligence' because i misread that one passage, allright seems legit^^

so since i'm so 'stupid' i don't need to be afraid of getting killed, right, because i will fail anyway

1) you couldnt read the set up
2) you claimed jailor without pressure
3) you claimed that you didnt claim jailor, that it wasnt fm18, and that you dont have limited uses. all of which are wrong.
4) you couldnt comprehend the reasoning behind clems plan being crappy

you are either going for wifom protection or you really are stupid

[Orpz]

You are over-scrutinizing my posts and it is NOT how I get reads on players. It might be different for you, but ignoring then "scrutinizing" *cough*criticizing*cough* is not going to get you anywhere but get a bad defense. That is what all players do and I think you should just stop.

@Orpz
I don't understand why you're defending some guy that supposedly is your "friend". Explain how you know he's not scum because he's your "friend". Explain why 100% of all Survivor claims are "legit". Tell me why power can't be Neutral Killing.

I'm not defending him cause he's my buddy (but he is my buddy :D). That's just a little Day 1 fun and if anyone thinks more of that then they should be tested. I don't know he's not scum, but he sure doesn't act like scum. It's Day 1 and he's scrutinizing posts? Town points right there.

The Survivor claim is more likely to be legit than not.
Reasons not to fake-claim Survivor right away: (these will happen when the real Neutral Benign dies)
If Mafia -- You will be pressured for lying. Your allies might be revealed trying to help you. Claiming Survivor didn't really help you accomplish anything. Even worse, the real Neutral Benign might cc on Day 1 and you can be a D1lynch victim.
If Town -- You will potentially be a mislynch.
If Neutral Killing -- Same as Mafia but then you have no allies. Booooo

Now, even if PoD isn't a Survivor, I'd expect him to be a Jester/Exec, but his play seems to be more Survivor than those.
Jester wouldn't claim Survivor lol. And he hasn't tried to influence votes.

[RLVG]

That movie premiere party was a waste of time. -_-

I'm back, yay.

[RLVG]

Now, even if PoD isn't a Survivor, I'd expect him to be a Jester/Exec, but his play seems to be more Survivor than those.
Jester wouldn't claim Survivor lol. And he hasn't tried to influence votes.

You don't take gambits into play. What if it's intended?
If anything, it could be the Maid.

[Sinclair]

Ladies...gentlemen... I have returned!

From my examination of this day, I can not wholly discern who are the slopsuckers and who are favorable. I do have a hunch that CmG is a bit on the atypical side.

But now, I must leave you all again. For I am embarking to the locale of my employment. I will try my hardest to peer my head in while drudging through the day.

Good luck to everybody.

[Azuriae]

Official Vote Tally:

Mateo{3}: Clementine, powerofdeath, Ypmagic
42shadow42{1}: Mateo
RLVG{1}: CmG

7 votes are required to lynch.

[Apache]

1) you couldnt read the set up
2) you claimed jailor without pressure
3) you claimed that you didnt claim jailor, that it wasnt fm18, and that you dont have limited uses. all of which are wrong.
4) you couldnt comprehend the reasoning behind clems plan being crappy

you are either going for wifom protection or you really are stupid

1) i could and did read the setup
2) i claimed nothing
3) i corrected your bad readings. just because i mentioned the role is almost unlimited in the setup of FM18 doesn't mean the role was actually in the game. i also said nothing about limited uses but limited power
furthermore i did NOT say that i have NO limited uses, i just said that i didnt CLAIM to have limited uses. so actually i am saying that you still don't know if i have limited uses or not because i said nothing about it.
you need to stop twisting words
4) i'm just trolling cmg a bit. go back to my first post to read my view on the plan itself. i never said the plan is good and i also never said that it's bad just because it's clemetine's

[clementine]

i'm not quite sure about this plan. what makes you so sure there is even a lookout? if not it'd be a total waste

also i don't even trust you yet clemetine. maybe you're trying to look pro-town with that plan (that might not even benefit at all). you're ensuring that everyone notices how 'pro town' you are because you ask everyone to post opinions about it so the plan is a huge part of today's day chat.
furthermore if you're mafia you know the mafia roles of course and with this knowledge you could make up this plan to confirm your mafia roles. for example if you have 2 out of consig, consort, drug dealer you could easily prepare a doc/escort claim though the latter wouldn't be that useful because blockers can confirm themselves easily anyway and it won't exclude consort/drug dealer possibility
you even said that we could use it to confirm docs so maybe you're really trying to prepare a doc claim for your consig. that means that you would probably be the consig yourself since you wouldn't know if your mate wants to claim this. you could also claim invest but then everyone would say consig anyway. and if you claim doc noone even thinks of consig and you can prove it pretty much because you visited that guy.
also if you're not mafia, the mafia might abuse this plan the way i pointed out

in the very moment there are 2 things you can be: the one is a specific town role which i won't tell and the other is scum (most likely consig)

please answer my concerns and i will tell you if i agree or not.

True, there is no certainty that there is a lookout, but if there is, the coordination nets the town some positive results gained through the coordination. Additionally, if there isn't a lookout, it makes mafia waste night actions on the target if they think that there is one and it can help impose some restrictions on their future fake role claims.

Your argument about the blockers isn't valid. If a consort blocks the target (who has volunteered to be role blocked) then he is not going to be blocking an investigative or protective PR that remains hidden. If the consort tries to block anyone else, then the person blocked can reveal and it's obvious that scum tried to block them. This is one advantage of the plan.

Basically this plan actually attempts to force mafia roles into targeting the lookout target so that they cannot perform other more useful actions. A skilled lookout should be able to use the list of PRs, scumhunt in day, and quickly be able to pick out who the scum are by process of elimination.

I am not posting this to be pro-town. It's simply a good way to get people talking so we can start scumhunting. In my opinion it's not your opinion on the plan that I'm looking for, rather the manner in which you present your opinion.


oh and your 'not lying' bullshit is bullshit

Do you think lies are pro-town?

[clementine]

Movie is pretty much just an experiment on all of our tools, equipment and the ability to edit and clip scenes properly.
Not sure if ever going to be published, but I'm an actor there. :p

Now, what should I post exactly? Everyone has already constructively posted their opinions on The Plan and I dislike copypaste-steal from others.
1. Doesn't confirm town, 2. Why would there be a lookout?, 3. Plan has some flaws.

Can you please elaborate on your three points? Even if you feel like things have already been said, I am interested in what you have to say. Oftentimes it's not what you say but how you say it that provides me with the most information.

[Apache]

not really satisfying answer
-disagree
reason: big chance there is no lookout, low benefit as many scum roles can visit him too

lies can be protown

[clementine]

not really satisfying answer
-disagree
reason: big chance there is no lookout, low benefit as many scum roles can visit him too

lies can be protown

I disagree.

Scum wants to lie to confuse town.
Town might lie to confuse scum, but it just as easily can confuse town. Confused town mislynches and loses games.

Lynch all liars is the best policy.

[RLVG]

Can you please elaborate on your three points? Even if you feel like things have already been said, I am interested in what you have to say. Oftentimes it's not what you say but how you say it that provides me with the most information.

It doesn't confirm you as a town, on the contrary it's possible to hide as a scum member while acting pro-town. However, I'm leaning towards that you may be a town or a benign neutral with lack of trust.

I think lookout is not in the game because checking out all possible roles, a lookout would be preferably if the setup has a drug dealer. Drug dealer is slightly bad depending on the combination of roles, so I'm leaning to Consigliere / Consort, which a Lookout have lack of providing help with. A setup with beneficial Lookout would be Sheriff, Bus Driver, Escort, Bodyguard, Vigilante with enemy roles Arsonist, Jester, Blackmailer, Drug Dealer.

That's just how I think though.

[clementine]

not really satisfying answer
-disagree
reason: big chance there is no lookout, low benefit as many scum roles can visit him too

lies can be protown

Also, isn't it a benefit if many scum roles visit the lookout target because then the lookout will have a list of people who the scum roles are hiding among?

[clementine]

Plan Tally:

agree (1): ypmagic
disagree (2): Mateo, Apache

Cast your vote now!

[powerofdeath]

Disagree

[NoctiZ]

agree

We can control the Mafia kills, and if they don't kill the lookout target then we will have a list of who is Mafia (people who didn't visit the lookout target).

Or actually Doctors would also be on the Lookout target so we would have a definite list of Mafia targets because they likely wouldn't visit the Lookout target, atleas the Killer wouldn't.

[powerofdeath]

agree

We can control the Mafia kills, and if they don't kill the lookout target then we will have a list of who is Mafia (people who didn't visit the lookout target).

Or actually Doctors would also be on the Lookout target so we would have a definite list of Mafia targets because they likely wouldn't visit the Lookout target, atleas the Killer wouldn't.

What if like 8 people visited that guy?

[powerofdeath]

Would be tough to find one killer out of 8

[NoctiZ]

What if like 8 people visited that guy?

It's like this:

Mafia killer attacks lookout target. Kill will be healed if we have a Doctor. Good, we now know that he was one of the people who visited the target.
Kill occurs on someone other than the lookout target. We now know that the people on the list aren't the Mafia who killed the victim of that night.

[powerofdeath]

Okay lookout on A, godfather visit B, mafia could easily visit A and get away with it

[Apache]

Also, isn't it a benefit if many scum roles visit the lookout target because then the lookout will have a list of people who the scum roles are hiding among?

but you don't know if the scum roles are among the ppl who visited or not.
the only use is that you can exclude about 2-4 ppl from being gf (those that visit the target)

[NoctiZ]

Okay lookout on A, godfather visit B, mafia could easily visit A and get away with it

That doesn't matter because we are looking for a confirmed scum among a smaller list of suspects. What do we care about all Mafia at the same time when we can focus the results on the Godfather and do post analysis at the same time to find the others? It's easy as cake.

[Apache]

since the gf will surely not attack the guy. probably he would even confuse you more by not attacking anyone (can be combined with sending drug and healed feedback to lookout target)

[Mateo]

hate to throw a monkey wrench in "town's" plan, but if you look at the role cards for the setup (which none of you have apparently) in this sfm the lookout acts as a detective, following targets not watching who visits.

sour bout that shit plan

[NoctiZ]

hate to throw a monkey wrench in "town's" plan, but if you look at the role cards for the setup (which none of you have apparently) in this sfm the lookout acts as a detective, following targets not watching who visits.

sour bout that shit plan
You are right. Scratch that plan. -10 points for Gryffindor *points at clem*

[Apache]

lol
is this a mistake?

inb4 clem made a ruse to see who reads the rolecard very exact

[clementine]

hate to throw a monkey wrench in "town's" plan, but if you look at the role cards for the setup (which none of you have apparently) in this sfm the lookout acts as a detective, following targets not watching who visits.

sour bout that shit plan

X____X
b-b-but there is a lookout in the setup... Why does Azuriae make things difficult by putting in roles named as other roles. :(

Also I am curious what Azuriae's most recent setup edit was. :o

[clementine]

Also lol I guess there is no lookout in this setup or he would have corrected us on the mechanics earlier O.o

[Azuriae]

About time someone picked up on this. Maybe It's time for you guys to reread the rolecards.

And Clem, it was only a typo fix. Don't worry about it.

♥



Also lol I guess there is no lookout in this setup or he would have corrected us on the mechanics earlier O.o

I am not going to correct you for not reading the rolecard/mechanics when it is clearly indicated in the setup.

[powerofdeath]

Switching from disagree to agree!

[clementine]

About time someone picked up on this. Maybe It's time for you guys to reread the rolecards.

And Clem, it was only a typo fix. Don't worry about it.

♥




I am not going to correct you for not reading the rolecard/mechanics when it is clearly indicated in the setup.

No I meant if there was a lookout in the setup the lookout would have corrected us about the mistake right away. (In case it was unclear to anyone why I believe there is unlikely to be a lookout in the setup now...)

[Mateo]

About time someone picked up on this. Maybe It's time for you guys to reread the rolecards.

And Clem, it was only a typo fix. Don't worry about it.

♥




I am not going to correct you for not reading the rolecard/mechanics when it is clearly indicated in the setup.

feel free to up rep my posts for being literate :D

[clementine]

Lol why do we all (except Mateo) fail so hard?

[NoctiZ]

I, for one, assumed this plan to be under the assumption that the Lookout has the native definition known to most of us. I thought a plan by you would have that confirmed. xP

[powerofdeath]

Alright
Im taking back my survivor claim
I am not a survivor, i was trying to wifom to get the real neut to claim
Survivor and Amnes wouldve revealed.
Therefore we have a jester, exe, or lurking amnes/survivor who want to side with mafia.
Town lying is fine for town, like one game where i claimed survivor and forced ypmagic to reveal as a survivor who wanted to side with mafia, but we forced him to side with town because I revealed him.
Creed did not post yet, it is possible that he is the neutral

[Mateo]

creed meta suggests if he hasnt posted yet he is scum

jus saiyan

[Apache]

X____X
b-b-but there is a lookout in the setup... Why does Azuriae make things difficult by putting in roles named as other roles. :(

Also I am curious what Azuriae's most recent setup edit was. :o

was the typo coincidently adding an uppercase NOT between 'you may claim RP names'

[Orpz]

sour bout that shit plan

I love LAGTV


Alright
Im taking back my survivor claim
I am not a survivor, i was trying to wifom to get the real neut to claim
Survivor and Amnes wouldve revealed.
Therefore we have a jester, exe, or lurking amnes/survivor who want to side with mafia.
Town lying is fine for town, like one game where i claimed survivor and forced ypmagic to reveal as a survivor who wanted to side with mafia, but we forced him to side with town because I revealed him.
Creed did not post yet, it is possible that he is the neutral

You didn't need to retract. There was no counterclaim, and you are much less likely to die if people believe you're Survivor.
Also, it's almost certain Jester/Exec because Surv/Amne would have CC since it's in their best interest to.

[Azuriae]

was the typo coincidently adding an uppercase NOT between 'you may claim RP names'

That wouldn't have been a typo. That would've been a mistake.
(I repeated some words twice in a sentence.)

Sheesh.

[Orpz]

On day 1, ypmagic was so sure that PoD was lying about Neutral. ypmagic was also accusing Mateo of being Neutral

I declare ypmagic the Neutral

[Apache]

so when did you add the NOT

Apache out, getting back to base. out of ammo and fuel

[Mateo]

I, for one, assumed this plan to be under the assumption that the Lookout has the native definition known to most of us. I thought a plan by you would have that confirmed. xP

im willing to cut her slack as i believe (as i stated earlier) that it was part of her meta protection.

if she's suggested the plan multiple times before and been town in those games, we could assume she was scum if she didnt post it this game.

make sense?

[clementine]

On day 1, ypmagic was so sure that PoD was lying about Neutral. ypmagic was also accusing Mateo of being Neutral

I declare ypmagic the Neutral

I was gonna read up on this and comment but you beat me to it! Ok guys it's past midnight so I'm gonna crash. N8!

[Azuriae]

so when did you add the NOT

Apache out, getting back to base. out of ammo and fuel

Some time ago. The game hadn't started yet.
It is of no importance.

[ypmagic]

On day 1, ypmagic was so sure that PoD was lying about Neutral. ypmagic was also accusing Mateo of being Neutral

I declare ypmagic the Neutral

The Law of Syllogism doesn't work like that.

[ypmagic]

For one, I don't believe that powerofdeath is a Survivor. No matter how hard you try to defend him, I won't believe that he is a Survivor. Until some investigative role tells me that powerofdeath is a Survivor or Mateo is Town/Executioner, I won't believe it. Second, CmG's thoughts are NOT a) pointless b) speculations c) based on nothing d) wrong. If you think that applies to CmG's post, then you shouldn't be applying it to things like:

1) powerofdeath is 100% Survivor. He's my friend and he claimed it Day 1. He has to be Survivor.
2) Mateo is my friend. He is just trying to gather information. He can't be Executioner.

If you can't believe my soft claim, then who will? It is, as it is, a) pointless, b) speculations, c) based on nothing. Not d).
I claimed Bus Driver, and I want Mateo's role. Then, we can decide if we lynch Mateo or powerofdeath since he's at L-4.

[ypmagic]

If you think that applies to CmG's post, then you should be applying it to things like:

1) powerofdeath is 100% Survivor. He's my friend and he claimed it Day 1. He has to be Survivor.
2) Mateo is my friend. He is just trying to gather information. He can't be Executioner.


Fixed.

[powerofdeath]

For one, I don't believe that powerofdeath is a Survivor. No matter how hard you try to defend him, I won't believe that he is a Survivor. Until some investigative role tells me that powerofdeath is a Survivor or Mateo is Town/Executioner, I won't believe it. Second, CmG's thoughts are NOT a) pointless b) speculations c) based on nothing d) wrong. If you think that applies to CmG's post, then you shouldn't be applying it to things like:

1) powerofdeath is 100% Survivor. He's my friend and he claimed it Day 1. He has to be Survivor.
2) Mateo is my friend. He is just trying to gather information. He can't be Executioner.

If you can't believe my soft claim, then who will? It is, as it is, a) pointless, b) speculations, c) based on nothing. Not d).
I claimed Bus Driver, and I want Mateo's role. Then, we can decide if we lynch Mateo or powerofdeath since he's at L-4.

Did you not read what i just posted?

[powerofdeath]

I love LAGTV



You didn't need to retract. There was no counterclaim, and you are much less likely to die if people believe you're Survivor.
Also, it's almost certain Jester/Exec because Surv/Amne would have CC since it's in their best interest to.

If I didnt, and a real neut died/invest find out im not survivor, Im lynched for sure

[Mateo]

Did you not read what i just posted?

he did not, if you look thru the pages youll see he has a problem reading

[42shadow42]

Well I think today was productive. I'm ready for it to end. Maybe tonight I'll figure out if my idea worked.

[powerofdeath]

Well I think today was productive. I'm ready for it to end. Maybe tonight I'll figure out if my idea worked.

What ideas?
42shadow42

[powerofdeath]

You did nothing but ask a dumb question and lurk!

[42shadow42]

It wasn't a dumb question, I got plenty of feedback.

[powerofdeath]

It wasn't a dumb question, I got plenty of feedback.

THERE WAS NO NIGHT 0!

[ypmagic]

THERE WAS NO NIGHT 0!

Feedback as in he got information from people. He learned stuff.

[42shadow42]

Wow ypmagic showing some insight for ONCE. *Claps*

[42shadow42]

Btw because it's entirely relevant.

If Yuria visits Kenshiro/Shin AND is visited by BOTH Kenshiro/Shin. What happens?

[42shadow42]

@Kenshiro pretty sure I know who you are, that is all.

[Azuriae]

Btw because it's entirely relevant.

If Yuria visits Kenshiro/Shin AND is visited by BOTH Kenshiro/Shin. What happens?

She will join the person that she visits, revealing her identity to the person she visits. Then she will die.

The Day has ended.
Noone was lynched.

Remember that all night actions have to be sent at least one hour before the the of the night.

Night 1 ends at this time. (http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=6%2F19%2F2013+11%3A00+PM+EST&x=-1244&y=-71)

[Azuriae]

[FONT=Century Gothic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfX8yMstrb0

Day 2
The Storm

Everyone knows that Shura's weather is quite chaotic. One day you'll have a sunny day, and the next one you'll have a hurricane that will devastate everything in its wake.
Today was one of THOSE days.
The storm was so heavy that it was nearly impossible to see anything. Trees were being unrooted and large areas were being flooded by the rain.
Apart from the incredibly shitty weather, the night seemed to have been unevenful. For most.
CmG was found assassinated in the morning.
He was impaled to a tree by a large crossbow bolt, and his chest seemed to have been ripped open by a skilled martial artist, his heart, missing.
Only the Rashos could have done such a carnage. Hesitant, one of the survivors approached him to remove his mask.
To everyone's surprise, he was none other than Hyoh, the Second Rashō! Judging by the insane amount of drugs in his pockets,
it is clear that he was a Drug Dealer...
How could this have happened? They killed one of their own?!
Days are short on the island of Shura, best use the time you have to figure out what the next course of action is...



Living fighters: 12
42shadow42
allymyers
Apache
Clementine
Creedkingsx Poriomania
Mateo
Noctiz
Orpz
powerofdeath
RLVG
Sinclair
Ypmagic

[Poriomania has replaced Creedkingsx.]

Graveyard:
CmG: (Hyoh, Drug Dealer) Eviscerated by the... Rashōs?!



Rolelist:
Kaioh, First Rashō and Creator of the New Century
{Supreme Leader}
{Hidden Rashō}

Kenshiro, Successor of the Hokuto Shin Ken
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
{Hidden Follower}
Yuria of the Nanto Seitō Kettō
{Maiden}

Shin, Successor of the Nanto Koshū Ken
{Hidden Martyr}

Lin, the Lost Orphan
{Hidden Orphan}


6 votes are requires to lynch.

Day 2 will end at this time. (http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=6%2F20%2F2013+11%3A00+PM+EST&x=-1244&y=-71)

Setup: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/18967-S-FM-Fist-of-the-North-Star

[Mateo]

wow lololol

[Mateo]

also, nothing happened to me last night

[Poriomania]

Hello everybody. I am replacing creedkingx.

Rereading for CmG interaction analysis.

[powerofdeath]

Lol busdriver is epic! nice job ypmagic xD

[Orpz]

nothing happened to me last night

ypmagic was uncontested for Bus Driver, so I say he leads us today

[powerofdeath]

No notification, guessing no feedback

[Mateo]

unless it was a first day gambit, id say cmgs vote make RLVG not MAFIA, could still be shin or lin

[Orpz]

Sinclair

[Orpz]

I agree with Mateo, RLVG is prob not Mafia based on the interactions.
Bus driven should claim and ypmagic should say who was bus driven for another confirmed non-mafia.

3 non-mafias confirmed, not bad for a start of Day 2, even if 2 of them could be a Neutral Evil

atm FoS: Sinclair

[Mateo]

I agree with Mateo, RLVG is prob not Mafia based on the interactions.
Bus driven should claim and ypmagic should say who was bus driven for another confirmed non-mafia.

3 non-mafias confirmed, not bad for a start of Day 2, even if 2 of them could be a Neutral Evil

atm FoS: Sinclair

look at this post
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20953-S-FM-89-Fist-of-the-North-Star?p=337690&viewfull=1#post337690
he claims to need meta info on these ppl

so it might be a stretch but i doubt they are mafia, idk

[Poriomania]

Poriomania
Ypmagic
Apache - unaligned pair with noctiZ
RLVG
Mateo
Noctiz - unaligned pair with apache
allymyers
powerofdeath
42shadow42
Sinclair
Orpz
Clementine

CmG

My reads.

Orpz, why the naked vote?

I'll explain them when I have time.

[Orpz]

Poriomania
Ypmagic
Apache - unaligned pair with noctiZ
RLVG
Mateo
Noctiz - unaligned pair with apache
allymyers
powerofdeath
42shadow42
Sinclair
Orpz
Clementine

CmG

My reads.

Orpz, why the naked vote?

I'll explain them when I have time.

Sinclair's scummy, that's why the vote

[42shadow42]

unless it was a first day gambit, id say cmgs vote make RLVG not MAFIA, could still be shin or lin

I fail to see how this vote implies anything of the sort.

[Sinclair]

Again Orpz?! You really like FoSing me.

I was RBd last night.

I might as well do this now...I'm escort. So we either have another escort or a consort.

BTW I was right about FoSing CmG yesterday.

Ill be heading to bed, I have a class tomorrow morning and I'll be back around noonish EST. If you all feel the need to lynch me, wait until I get back so I can at least defend myself. Do some of your reads or whatever y'all do. :) see y'all later!

OH I forgot to ask.... Orpz, why in the hell are you voting me?

[Poriomania]

Please elaborate. Your attempting to gain reactions doesn't really do anything.

[Poriomania]

Also, I want 42 to claim his idea/trick yesterday. Something about this feels off.

[42shadow42]

Also my FoS for the present is PoD

-Vote Powerofdeath