Night 10

[Forum Mafia GM]

You may talk now.

[FM Attila]

Galloway - Mafia
Donnelly - Mafia
Mendez - Mafia
Fontaine - Savage
Leary - Savage GF
Kalou -Savage/Delta
Chapman - Savage/Delta
Earle - {Corrupt/Savage} Journalist
Kelso - Delta
Galletta - Delta
Mason - Escort
Rose - Delta
Ackermann - Delta
Ryan - Witch

Pretty sure this is right. Comments??

I think we should kill Earle tonight because he is never gonna get lynched and I fully believe he is a savage {journalist}

[FM Attila]

Night extension?


What is the verdict on that Blackmail?
I don't think Ryan completed it but now that green is dead n stuff do you think we can BM again?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Because night was only delayed by 30 mins, we are leaving it as planned for now. Clem may change it when she gets back online to something more suitable to her schedule. But the forums being down won't be the cause for extension.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Galloway - Mafia
Donnelly - Mafia
Mendez - Mafia
Fontaine - Savage
Leary - Savage GF
Kalou -Savage/Delta
Chapman - Savage/Delta
Earle - {Corrupt/Savage} Journalist
Kelso - Delta
Galletta - Delta
Mason - Escort
Rose - Delta
Ackermann - Delta
Ryan - Witch

Pretty sure this is right. Comments??

I think we should kill Earle tonight because he is never gonna get lynched and I fully believe he is a savage {journalist}

Okay guys. It's getting down to the wire. We need to kill a savage tonight and hope they don't kill one of us.


FM Ackerman - Town
FM Chapman - Delta
FM Earle - Savaged corrupt/journalist
FM Fontaine -Savage GF
FM Galletta -Savage
FM Kalou - Savage??
FM Kelso - Savage
FM Leary - Delta
FM Mason - Escort
FM Rose - Delta
FM Ryan - Witch

Our blackmail and drug should be for controlling votes. If we control the day and night we can win.

Our kill should be on Fontaine, Galletta, or Kelso.

I don't think Leary is Savage. His com shows he lurks as delta almost always. I agree that earle was savaged. going to sleep ill post tomorrow after class

[FM Attila]

I dunno if we can even use our BMer tonight however according to previously stated host messages we can make up a DD BM to focus votes in our favor.
the problem is the ability to go two days before completing a BM. It signifigantly hinders the role.

I'm gonna go claim Executioner tomorrow and say that my target was Green Mkay?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I dunno if we can even use our BMer tonight however according to previously stated host messages we can make up a DD BM to focus votes in our favor.
the problem is the ability to go two days before completing a BM. It signifigantly hinders the role.

I'm gonna go claim Executioner tomorrow and say that my target was Green Mkay?

no idea...we should attempt to use the BM'er at least. Ryan half did the blackmail.....

I think either you or Donnelly should go for a mason enforcer claim. Claim that you passed Soma to someone and depending on which scum faction is weaker, you will be passing Soma to them. lel get the Savages scurred. Galloway claiming exec @ this point would just be obvious scum. No need to claim, all the scum should be solved.

We have to kill a savage tonight for sure - possible savages

Kalou - GF?
Fontaine
Kelso
Ackerman
Chapman

Earle = definite savage, but useless to us. I don't want savages to win while just lurking their asses off. lol

I propose -
Kill Fontaine/Kalou - kalou because he obv knew that Green would flip delta and trying to get town pts. this late in the game, lel.
drug fake blackmail forcing someone to vote a savage that looks like a Delta aka Fontaine/Galletta. leaning more to fontaine
blackmailer try to do same

[FM Artaxerxes]

Thankfully, we can expect the Savages to kill Mason tonight, meaning we have no worries about being attacked. Tonight is the night we can even things up. The witch said he will take a side, but it's actually not going to happen.

[FM Artaxerxes]

So Kudos to Ryan for directing the Savage kill tonight.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Accepted Night Actions:
FM Mendez: Kill Parker with Deathnote


I WANTED TO DO THIS SO BAD (#116)

FM Donnelly: blackmail Ryan with the message contained in this spoiler: You may only express suspicion for FM Green. You may not accuse any other players of being scum, having a night chat, performing actions that can be performed by scum roles (including those that may also be performed by town roles), or anything else that can be labeled as scummy. You may not quote or link to posts from players other than Green. You may not vote for any players other than FM Green. (#150)

FM Galloway: [B]drug No Feedback to Leary (#144)

Please refer to yellow part of the accepted actions from night 9.

[FM Artaxerxes]

lolol. Actually that works out well.

14 players now. Should be 12 by the end of the night. So only 6 votes to lynch?

We force two players to vote where we want them to. If we can control day lynch then we will win. It's just that the Witch will have to side with us or a lurking towny will have to vote.

At this point, killing Earle would be the safest savage kill for tonight. It evens out the factions, whereas a kill on a town now could cause a loss for us. Followed by Fontaine and Kalou.

-Worries - Earle is actually a corrupt journy. Had no other suspicions of Epsilon. I suspect Savages converted the epsilon and knew that Earle had to be lying about the corrupt journalist. Which would make him an easy conversion target. However if he is converted to a savage journalist, his night action would still go through.

Earle was declined by Mayor. wtf?

Ryan roleblocked Earle and earle failed to claim. He actually has no reason to do this, unless he is trying to get killed.

The problem is who are we going to target to do our blackmail/s? It's got to be the Delta claimers, so that they won't just reveal it and troll us. Ryan and Earle seemed to buddy hard, so if we target one the other may vote with. Killing Earle though will mean Ryan is blind. I'm suspecting a savage will reveal himself tomorrow to speak with the town.

I'd rather not target Leary, since he may have just stopped playing altogether. Chapman and Rose may be our best bet. We can have them both help us attempt to lynch Fontaine?

FM Ackerman
FM Chapman - soft vigi claim - delta
FM Fontaine
FM Galletta
FM Kalou - TPR claim, retracted to Delta
FM Leary - Pretty sure he is still Delta, com reasons
FM Rose

[FM Artaxerxes]

My read on Kalou as an escort was wrong. I now think he is a delta converted into a savage power role and scum slipped by claiming the role.

[FM Attila]

My read on Kalou as an escort was wrong. I now think he is a delta converted into a savage power role and scum slipped by claiming the role.

This makes sense when you factor in his completely wrong and unjustified defense on Earle, who was not under real pressure.

[FM Artaxerxes]

This makes sense when you factor in his completely wrong and unjustified defense on Earle, who was not under real pressure.

The savages - off by 1
Earle
Kalou
Galletta
Fontaine - Is aware of at least one of us, hence the acting comment
Rose

Ackerman and Rose I am unsure about. Earle and Kalou are pretty much definitely scum.

Blackmail theory -
You must vote to lynch FM Kalou. You may not unvote or change your vote.

There is no reason for you not to do this on the first day. If you are town and do not do it, you are just giving us another day of lynch protection and revealing yourself as not savage, making yourself as a target.

If you are a Savage, holding back your vote would be asking for us to kill you. A Delta may want to waste a scum kill, except not in this case. As P Diddy would say. Vote or Die

Drug dealer send same thing to another town like player.
Perhaps blackmail Rose and send drugged blackmail to Chapman/Ackerman. I don't want to send the blackmail to Fontaine or Leary because they might just lurk and suicide.

Thoughts? Leo u afking on us bro or secret devourer?

[FM Attila]

I can agree with that theory.
We should target FM Leary and FM Chapman with those BMs.

[FM Attila]

Another thing we can do is attack someone we suspect to be Savage Godfather and then just attack him again the next night to balance out the teams and not really lose a night kill.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I can agree with that theory.
We should target FM Leary and FM Chapman with those BMs.

I feel like Leary and Chapman are both the Deltas, but Leary will probably not even post tomorrow. Thats why I wanted to hint at the Savage thing and target Rose.


Yeah if we find the SGF we could act like there was a double kill on Mason or that the Witch forced the roleblock onto the Mafia Godfather. Hopefully not one of us.

If a player is killed by two sources, are both sources revealed?
Is the blackmail posted earlier acceptable?

[FM Ferengi]

If a player is killed by two sources, are both sources revealed?
Is the blackmail posted earlier acceptable?

Kill: let me cross reference the FAQ. I think I answered this already.

Blackmail: Just put the first two sentences in red and bold (You must vote to lynch FM Kalou. You may not unvote or change your vote.) since that's the task, correct? Correct me if I misread, but that task is approved.

[FM Attila]

I;m pretty sure that they are not gonna accept it because of the whole two goals things.

In that case I think we should edit it to be like this:

You must retain a vote on Kalou at all times."
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you."

[FM Attila]

Kill
○ Earle
BM
○ Chapman
{Insert BM Message Here: Mendez written}
DD
○ Leary: BM Message
{Insert BM message here}


I think this is what we are agreeing on here.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I;m pretty sure that they are not gonna accept it because of the whole two goals things.

In that case I think we should edit it to be like this:

You must retain a vote on Kalou at all times."
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you."

Yes the second half of the blackmail is just a note. I like yours as well. It explains it perfectly and doesn't sound like how I write.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Kill
○ Earle
BM
○ Chapman
{Insert BM Message Here: Mendez written}
DD
○ Leary: BM Message
{Insert BM message here}


I think this is what we are agreeing on here.

I don't want to target Leary though. If he is a Delta I am pretty sure he is getting modkilled. I doubt he will be posting tomorrow, especially knowing his com. He revealed it himself, not com hunting!

[FM Attila]

I don't want to target Leary though. If he is a Delta I am pretty sure he is getting modkilled. I doubt he will be posting tomorrow, especially knowing his com. He revealed it himself, not com hunting!

In that case I would swap out Leary for Ackermann

[FM Artaxerxes]

In that case I would swap out Leary for Ackermann

sounds good to me

[FM Attila]

I'm going to red them in case shit happens to us and we can't post again.

[B]Kill
○ Earle {Mendez}
Blackmail
○ Chapman {Donnelly}

"You must retain a vote on Kalou at all times.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you."
Drug Deal: Blackmail
○ Ackermann {Galloway}



the reason Im using my BM varitation is because it doesn't really sound like any of us and that can help push away the thought that we are scum from our targets in case they are savages.

[FM Attila]

I'm going to red them in case shit happens to us and we can't post again.

[B]Kill
○ Earle {Mendez}
Blackmail
○ Chapman {Donnelly}

"You must retain a vote on FM Kalou at all times.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you."
Drug Deal: Blackmail
○ Ackermann {Galloway}

"You must retain a vote on FM Kalou at all times.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you."[/spoiler]





the reason Im using my BM varitation is because it doesn't really sound like any of us and that can help push away the thought that we are scum from our targets in case they are savages.

I've corrected a few mistakes so that loopholes do not exist.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Actually the wording of retained could be loopholed now that I think about it. It's consider continue to have something so why not just stay safe and do You must vote FM Kalou. You many not unvote or change your vote. Host said that that was considered one action if I recall. He was just saying no because I didn't put the note part out of the blackmail. Also double spoiler. Also since you've submitted your own actions in bold please stick around in case we change the blackmail.

I don't want to lose our 2nd blackmail because of that.

The note part is good.

[FM Attila]

Actually the wording of retained could be loopholed now that I think about it. It's consider continue to have something so why not just stay safe and do You must vote FM Kalou. You many not unvote or change your vote. Host said that that was considered one action if I recall. He was just saying no because I didn't put the note part out of the blackmail. Also double spoiler. Also since you've submitted your own actions in bold please stick around in case we change the blackmail.

I don't want to lose our 2nd blackmail because of that.

The note part is good.

Hm. thats a good point.
Evaluation:

Ackermann hide a roleblock feedback so that he could alllow Mason to live another night. He reveals this the next day. Ackermann has been lurky for the first half of the game and now is responding to thoughts held in the day chat. His posts do not contain a large amount of text or deep thought processes.

Chapman....



Yeah lets go with yours Art. Its safer.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Well it's just one word. Just change it to vote

[FM Attila]

Im getting a bit lost. Which section of the BM message is loopholeable?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Sorry I'm not at my computer. Just the wording retain = continue to have. If he never voted him he doesn't have to retain in my eyes

[FM Artaxerxes]

If Earle dies a corrupt or town journalist it will be bad for us. Perhaps we should reconsider killing him in favor of someone else?

I'm going to assume you were not interviewed btw

[FM Attila]

Kill
○ Earle {Mendez}
Blackmail
○ Chapman {Donnelly}
Blackmail Message]"You must vote FM Kalou during the day without removing it from him.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you."

Drug Deal: Blackmail
○ Ackermann {Galloway}
"You must vote FM Kalou during the day without removing it from him.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you."




Gucchi?



I was not interviewed. I also think we should go ahead and kill fontaine tonight. He is scream out he was savage after all.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I'm okay with killing Fontaine instead of Earle. Earle to the savages is near useless. He is the lowest threat and will be the easiest lynch.

While Fontaine is most likely a Savage I think Rose is most definitely one. Getting called out as a Delta n2 and not being converted is just plain ridiculous. I'm kinda burnt out right now, but he has always jumped on the lynches that are non savage. Yesterday he was very fast to say he would join a Ryan lynch with me. I think he is most definitely converted.


also sorry I want to rewrite your blackmail again
]"You must vote to lynch FM Kalou and retain it until someone is lynched.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you.

Added in "to lynch" because some troll could be like "I VOTE FM KALOU AS TOWN LEADER"

[FM Artaxerxes]

If FM Rose is a Savage, it's safe to say

FM Ackerman is town. He suspects he is mason enforcer.

Another bit on why Savages would convert Rose = Hogeboom revealed him as 100% not mafia, so he would be a great choice for them since then he only has to defend against half the suspicions.

Also note from this post his "Savage suspects"
Day 8 Post# 219 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20732-Day-8?p=332041#post332041)

My savage suspects are

FM Mendez
FM Galloway
FM Fontaine
FM Lichtmann
FM Ryan
FM Donnelly

Even a complete noob would not be able to guess that far off. Maybe I am blinded by our additional information, but it looks to me like
FM Mendez -mafia
FM Galloway - mafia
FM Fontaine - Distancing
FM Lichtmann - Guess at scummy town
FM Ryan - Witch, guessing at scummy town
FM Donnelly - mafia

We now know that all of those are wrong EXCEPT for possibly Fontaine, which is standard distancing. Also, we can't trust Ryan's witch claim just yet. He could be trying to direct our kill, that's why we aren't killing mason. and this is Day 8, so he did not suspect Green until after our fos on him.

Also note that he did not select Chapman, Ackerman, Kalou, Galletta as possible suspects.

Thoughts?

[FM Attila]

Kill
○ Earle {Mendez}
Blackmail
○ Chapman {Donnelly}
Blackmail Message]"You must vote to lynch FM Kalou and retain it until someone is lynched.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you.


Drug Deal: Blackmail
○ Ackermann {Galloway}
Blackmail Message]"You must vote to lynch FM Kalou and retain it until someone is lynched.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Looks good. Thoughts on Rose being converted?

Also lol your spoilers keep failing hard

[FM Ferengi]

This blackmail is accepted.

[FM Leonardo]

Hey guys, I'm here. Sorry I've waited so long. I tried to be active last night, but the site was down for maintenance and I had to go to bed before it came back online. Also, my job.

Anyway, Earle is a safe kill for tonight if we're going for a savage. The thing is, I was also thinking we could target someone we think is the savage godfather. I know it sounds stupid since he has a vest, but hear me out. If we're wrong and we kill a townie, it doesn't really hurt us and we can still go for a savage lynch. If we're wrong and he's some other savage, then it's basically the same as if we had killed earle, so no real problem. And if we're right, no one dies, and we 100% CONFIRM the identity of the sgf. In addition, we can then kill him the next night which will cause at least one of his allies to suicide, which means we still maintain our average of 1 kpn, it will just go from being 1 every night to being 0 and then 2. And after that our numbers advantage should be enough for us to outlive them, especially if we can get another one of them lynched during the day. If it becomes necessary, we might be able to come out in the open and have the town side with us simply because we deserve it more (in my, admittedly somewhat biased, opinion) because we put more effort in during the day and at least as much if not more (who are we kidding, my role means we definitely put in more) effort at night.

Our worst case scenario in this case is killing town (the only way we'll kill witch is if Ryan is lying or is stupid and witches himself onto us. In the first case Ryan becomes confirmed scum and gets lynched immediately, and in the second case he's an idiot and literally brought it on himself, so zero fucks given). Speaking of "fucks"...


Hosts, please read and respond to the following:
Since when is host censoring allowed? Or, if you prefer- why did you censor our death note? Aside from COM claiming or perhaps game-throwing, I see no reason why hosts should interfere and edit something written by a player. Furthermore, the way this was done actually put unnecessary attention on one of our members. It was dispelled by doubt, but who knows if it will be brought up again in future days and used as a weapon against Galloway. And even if it isn't, I still disagree with the host interference, especially since the rules do NOT prohibit the use of foul/"inappropriate" language, or even mention it AT ALL.

In fact, we've been using this "inappropriate" language for the entire game, so I think it is very arbitrary and inconsistent to begin enforcing a rule against it on day 9 (aka ~5 weeks into the FM).

[FM Ferengi]

Hosts, please read and respond to the following:
Since when is host censoring allowed? Or, if you prefer- why did you censor our death note? Aside from COM claiming or perhaps game-throwing, I see no reason why hosts should interfere and edit something written by a player. Furthermore, the way this was done actually put unnecessary attention on one of our members. It was dispelled by doubt, but who knows if it will be brought up again in future days and used as a weapon against Galloway. And even if it isn't, I still disagree with the host interference, especially since the rules do NOT prohibit the use of foul/"inappropriate" language, or even mention it AT ALL.

In fact, we've been using this "inappropriate" language for the entire game, so I think it is very arbitrary and inconsistent to begin enforcing a rule against it on day 9 (aka ~5 weeks into the FM).

True, there is no written rule against foul/inappropriate language listed in the setup, but I think that there is a common decency argument that when inappropriate language makes people uncomfortable, the hosts have every right to censor it.

[FM Leonardo]

True, there is no written rule against foul/inappropriate language listed in the setup, but I think that there is a common decency argument that when inappropriate language makes people uncomfortable, the hosts have every right to censor it.

Was someone actually uncomfortable? Because if so, they probably should have spoken up before day 9.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Leo actually I'm all for attempting to kill a SGF. There is the good possibility that the clubber has already removed his vest as well. Clubber has no idea if his target is the SGF or a regular savage, and wouldn't attack twice. So we could get lucky and kill the SGF tonight

[FM Artaxerxes]

Was someone actually uncomfortable? Because if so, they probably should have spoken up before day 9.

Green probably

[FM Leonardo]

Leo actually I'm all for attempting to kill a SGF. There is the good possibility that the clubber has already removed his vest as well. Clubber has no idea if his target is the SGF or a regular savage, and wouldn't attack twice. So we could get lucky and kill the SGF tonight

Cool. So my main suspects now are Fontaine and Galletta with Ryan as a runner-up because the witch claim would make for a pretty good savage gambit.

What do you guys think?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Cool. So my main suspects now are Fontaine and Galletta with Ryan as a runner-up because the witch claim would make for a pretty good savage gambit.

What do you guys think?
I think they are possible suspects. I have Kalou and Rose both down as SGF's though. Rose imo is at least a savage. He was revealed day 2 as a delta, and later was confirmed not mafia by Hogeboom. So there is almost 0 chance that he has not been converted. I think if we look at the votes from the Lichtmann / Rose gladiator, we will find that the people fosing Rose are not the savages.

FM Ryan (5 [L-4]): FM Galloway, FM Ackerman, FM Rose, FM Lichtmann, FM Galletta
FM Rose (3 [L-6]): FM Donnelly, FM Mason, FM Kelso

So possible Rose and Galletta. Fontaine just seems to be lurking hard so I don't want to risk killing him yet.

I agree with your Ryan suspect for being Witch. Note he was NOT blackmailed yesterday and Earles buddying with him. He also clearly tried to direct our kill tonight by saying he will side with whoever kills the escort.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Right now I think the Savages are -

Rose - SGF
Kalou - Savage PR
Earle - Savage
Galletta - Savage PR /Possible Fontaine here instead

Ackerman - hidden epsilon?
Kelso - Delta

[FM Artaxerxes]

Right now I think the Savages are -

Rose - Savage PR
Kalou - Savage GF?
Earle - Savage
Galletta - Savage PR /Possible Fontaine here instead

Ackerman - hidden epsilon?
Kelso - Delta

fixed - Rose cannot be the SGF. Since he was one of the first to suspect Ballard of being a Savage. He could have been distancing though. But why this early in the game - Day2~

I think it's possible he got converted on night 5 or 7

[FM Leonardo]

Right now I think the Savages are -

Rose - SGF
Kalou - Savage PR
Earle - Savage
Galletta - Savage PR /Possible Fontaine here instead

Ackerman - hidden epsilon?
Kelso - Delta

If Earle is savage, Ackerman is unlikely to be epsilon, which means either Ackerman is the witch and Ryan is a savage, or Ryan is the witch and Ackerman is a savage. Or both of them are savages. Ackerman will probably the best/easiest lynch tomorrow. If he's witch, ryan will be auto-lynched the next day and will probably flip sgf. If not, then bye bye savage. Either way it's a win for us.

[FM Artaxerxes]

If Earle is savage, Ackerman is unlikely to be epsilon, which means either Ackerman is the witch and Ryan is a savage, or Ryan is the witch and Ackerman is a savage. Or both of them are savages. Ackerman will probably the best/easiest lynch tomorrow. If he's witch, ryan will be auto-lynched the next day and will probably flip sgf. If not, then bye bye savage. Either way it's a win for us.

It's true, so Ackerman could also be the Savage.

I think you are right about that. Do you think we should change the blackmail to lynch Ackerman instead?

Also I want to see your opinion on Kalou. He has been blending in almost the entire game.

[FM Leonardo]

hmmm. not sure about kalou. must. reread.

[FM Leonardo]

Just did a quick scan of his posts. He didn't post at all day 1 or day 4. I mean, I know scum lurks, but I doubt they would skip two days completely. The goal is to blend/stay unnoticed, and even if it works, if you get modkilled, it's wasted effort. lol. So I doubt kalou is sgf. Could still be a savage, but we already have like 5 suspects, and I'm not sure if he's scummy enough to replace one of them as a suspect.

[FM Leonardo]

Just did a quick scan of his posts. He didn't post at all day 1 or day 4. I mean, I know scum lurks, but I doubt they would skip two days completely. The goal is to blend/stay unnoticed, and even if it works, if you get modkilled, it's wasted effort. lol. So I doubt kalou is sgf. Could still be a savage, but we already have like 5 suspects, and I'm not sure if he's scummy enough to replace one of them as a suspect.

Although Ryan also didn't post day 1 and day 4. So there's that.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Okay so my newest thoughts -

Ackerman - SGF
Rose - Savage PR converted n8. He had a complete switch around d8 about ackerman being scum.
Earle - Savage regular converted n9
Kalou - Savage PR converted n5? Savages began killing n6 and n7. Also, i'm going to look into the Mayors roleblock plans, it could show why the savages chose to kill instead of convert. If the Mayor planned on having the Savage GF roleblocked, they would choose to kill with a savage instead of trying to convert.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Dunn, claim role now. Also did you write the bus driver article.



Ok. Cafarelli I can go with your plan, with a minor tweak. Monroe is so sure that Dunn isn't the kidnapper he wouldn't want to be responsible for roleblocking Dunn.

Galloway has the soma and is not a delta. I know that based on a code I sent him in his message.

I'm thinking this


If Buchwalter flips Mafia
Doc on Parker
Hogeboom busses Cafarelli
Phelps and Other Blocker on Dunn
Monroe blocks Ackerman or Donnelly (or best suspects).

If Buchwalter flips town
Doc on Parker
Hogeboom busses Cafarelli
Phelps blocks Dunn
Monroe blocks Earle

and Monroe suspiciously dies that night when he was supposed to block Ackerman.

Day 6 - Parker wanted the Escort to block Ackerman again, and the Savages chose to kill instead of convert. I think we have found or SGF.

[FM Artaxerxes]

and Monroe suspiciously dies that night when he was supposed to block Ackerman.

Day 6 - Parker wanted the Escort to block Ackerman again, and the Savages chose to kill instead of convert. I think we have found our SGF.

fixed. i'm tired.

[FM Leonardo]

Hmm. Well, if we think it's Ackerman, we have a few options.

Option 1- Attack him tonight, as planned. This can confirm him (or not) as SGF.

Option 2- Attack someone safe (like Earle) and try to get Ackerman lynched. I propose this as a possibility only because he didn't claim his block from Mason the other day which already makes him look pretty scummy and I think it might be easy to convince town to lynch him.

Also, looking back on it, he was the first/only one to FoS/read me and the savages called me out as mafia in their death note. This is pretty damning evidence...

At what point is the value "half" of the savages calculated when determining how many of them will suicide after their godfather dies? Will at least one savage always suicide if the savage godfather is killed, or will no one suicide if "half" is determined to be less than 1?

[FM Ferengi]

At what point is the value "half" of the savages calculated when determining how many of them will suicide after their godfather dies? Will at least one savage always suicide if the savage godfather is killed, or will no one suicide if "half" is determined to be less than 1?

"Half" is calculated after the godfather dies (not including the godfather). Referencing the SGF role card:


Upon your death, half of the savages (rounded down) will die.

This means that there could potentially be no savage suicides upon the death of the savage godfather.

[FM Leonardo]

Since the wording of the role card is "upon your death", do the savages who will suicide (if any) suicide immediately after the godfather dies? If so, does that mean when/if the savage godfather is lynched, the suicides will be announced in the day end post of that day?

All suicides (including cult suicides) occur in OoO #36. Therefore cult suicides will be announced in a day post rather than a night post, even if the savage godfather is lynched during the day.

[FM Leonardo]

lolz. Switzerland troll edit ftw

[FM Ferengi]

Erm...

I don't know how that happened... I didn't mean to edit your post, but I think I clicked edit instead of reply with quote since I wasn't really paying attention.

If it makes you feel any better, this is what I was distracted by: http://fullym.com/photographer-gives-kids-candy-takes-it-away-then-photographs-their-reactions/

[FM Leonardo]

Erm...

I don't know how that happened... I didn't mean to edit your post, but I think I clicked edit instead of reply with quote since I wasn't really paying attention.

If it makes you feel any better, this is what I was distracted by: http://fullym.com/photographer-gives-kids-candy-takes-it-away-then-photographs-their-reactions/

I'll allow it.

[FM Attila]

Um.. hello

[FM Artaxerxes]

Thoughts on changing the lynch blackmail to Ackerman?

[FM Attila]

We can go with whatever it is you want to. im not the the right mindset to make that kind of choice.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Yeah we should actually just attack Ackerman though. If we attempt to lynch it will reveal us all to the Savages. Us + 2 blackmailed + hopefully more town.

If you need more convincing, I will post a bigger analysis soon.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Either Ackerman is an amazing Delta that should get MVP or...he is the SGF. I'm leaning towards the latter.
He is definitely the SGF.


I warned you that this would be long.
Votes - tallied in order

Day 1 - Votes FM McKelty and says interesting night
Ballard votes Ackerman*
Ackerman changes vote to Ballard

Day 2 - Vote FM Ballard
Vote Cohen
Vote Monroe

Not following it anymore. What I am taking from it -
Both Morgan and Ballard were suspicous of Ackerman. Ackerman converted Morgan on night 2 and Ballard on n3.
Reason being is that Ballard is actively trying to lynch Ackerman on the first two days, but doesn't put any suspicion on him for day 3.

ACkerman doesn't really post much until day 4. So i'll start there.

Day 4 -
Ackerman pressured against Cafarelli hard.

Posts about how witch found Biggs as a power role and wanted to confirm, but then that he wants to know Biggs' role? PR hunting
Day 4 Post 11 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323412#post323412)

Day 5 -
Knew Monroe was the Escort before he even revealed it and suspected that he was converted to savage(not possible)
Day 5 Post 221 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325718#post325718)

Revealing himself as not delta.
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325661#post325661)

Knew Ballards role, as well as Monroe. Amazing analyzer here
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325666#post325666)

Interesting assumption that Morgan was a prior Lookout. Confirmed wrong by Carruthers. Possible why he tried to regular recruit and turned him savage
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=325929#post325929)

Attempting to get town points by defending Buch. Jokes on him
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326409#post326409)

Interesting post.Why would a delta have anything interesting in his will day 5. also next post he hints at a vest
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326463#post326463)

Official role claim.
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326584#post326584)

Day 6 -

Reveals he has a vest and that he thinks conversions are over from n6. Attempt at misinformation. btw a vest is an easy defense for us attacking him.
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=328466#post328466)

Completely disregards the meta for an enforcer after no kills. This along with the vest makes me think he was attacked and got lucky killing Black.
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=328458#post328458)

More posts about how its most likely a Clubber.
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=328451#post328451)

Day 7 -
A read where he thinks town has only two prs left...disagrees with his analyzer personality from before. His post doesn't include Earle, so he suspects he is actually Corrupt?


I don't remember seeing him claim roleblocked day 6. However he claims day 7 roleblocked both nights. Savages also killed both those nights. Savages CAN easily send someone else to kill to confirm him.
[url=http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=330548#post330548]link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=329962#post329962[/url)

Day 8 -
Plans to claim role again a 3rd time and his not roleblocked feedback.
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20732-Day-8?p=332860#post332860)

Wanted the Journalist to visit him isntead of the Mayor. A delta claimer.
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20732-Day-8?p=333181#post333181)

Day 9 -
Lurked basically.

[FM Artaxerxes]

guis?


I can't change the actions entirely since Attilla has already bolded his in. Please remove your actions or stick around to repost them.

What is the proper way to indicate we don't want out bolded actions to be counted if already submitted?

[FM Ferengi]

What is the proper way to indicate we don't want out bolded actions to be counted if already submitted?

You can post (in bold red) that you retract your previously indicated night action and will allow someone else to set it for you. The easiest solution is to not post bold red actions until things are finalized and agreed upon.

[FM Leonardo]

I'm here. We might as well attack Ackerman. We need to know for sure whether or not he's SGF and attacking him is the only way we're sure to find out.

This means we need to change the blackmail, though. Or if you prefer, I could just go do the kill in order to ensure the witch doesn't witch mason onto you, although personally if I were the witch right now, I would just witch mason onto myself to 1-confirm he's really escort, and 2- prevent him from blocking fellow scum without the risk of throwing him into one by accident. But that doesn't necessarily mean that's what he's going to do.

If Ackerman isn't SGF, he might be witch, in which case Ryan is probably SGF and will be lynched tomorrow. So I think killing Ackerman doesn't really have much of a down side. Though I'd like witch to win with us, I'm fine with sacrificing him to kill the SGF.

[FM Leonardo]

Either Ackerman is an amazing Delta that should get MVP or...he is the SGF. I'm leaning towards the latter.
He is definitely the SGF.

<insert really long post here>

lol, I thought we already agreed on this. Good analysis though. Further cements our decision to kill him.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I'm here. We might as well attack Ackerman. We need to know for sure whether or not he's SGF and attacking him is the only way we're sure to find out.

This means we need to change the blackmail, though. Or if you prefer, I could just go do the kill in order to ensure the witch doesn't witch mason onto you, although personally if I were the witch right now, I would just witch mason onto myself to 1-confirm he's really escort, and 2- prevent him from blocking fellow scum without the risk of throwing him into one by accident. But that doesn't necessarily mean that's what he's going to do.

If Ackerman isn't SGF, he might be witch, in which case Ryan is probably SGF and will be lynched tomorrow. So I think killing Ackerman doesn't really have much of a down side. Though I'd like witch to win with us, I'm fine with sacrificing him to kill the SGF.

I agree, but obviously this witch has played poorly....so he might redirect to me since I seem delta'd. If I was the Witch I'd do as you are saying.


Tentative night actions. Will update -
FM Artaxerxes attack FM Ackerman
FM Leonardo blackmails FM Rose You must vote to lynch FM Kalou and retain it until someone is lynched.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you.
FM Attila drugs FM Chapman blackmail feedback [spoiler=blackmail note]You must vote to lynch FM Kalou and retain it until someone is lynched.
As a Delta there is no reason to withhold support on a Savage lynch. If you do not complete this Blackmail we shall mark you as a savage and kill you.[/vote]

[FM Artaxerxes]

typing [/vote] instead of [/spoiler] o_o

[FM Artaxerxes]

The only thing I think is failing with my tunnelling on Ackerman is the votes on Day 7

FM Ackerman (7 [L-4]): FM Rose, FM Kalou, FM Green, FM Leary, FM Phelps, FM Mason, FM Galletta
FM Phelps (11 [L-0]): FM Mendez, FM Galloway, FM Fontaine, FM Lichtmann, FM Hopgood, FM Ryan, FM Donnelly, FM Parker (Mayor)

You would think Savages would NOT lynch their GF, so they would support the lynch on Phelps.
Mendez, Galloway, Lichtmann, Hopgood, Donnelly, Parker we can all confirm as not savages. So that just leaves Ryan and Fontaine as Savage suspects.

Also this means I am unsure about Kalou. They were probably distancing, but why risk the Godfather like that?

[FM Artaxerxes]

1 hour and 45 minutes before we have to submit actions. Attila we can't send new blackmails if you don't come back.

Since Dunn died, and he was the one being obnoxious and doing his own actions. Can we forget that rule in case of afk?

[FM Leonardo]

Not sure what else to say at this point. I vote we kill Ackerman. And I think the blackmail is fine. I'll just fine tune it to be more loophole-proof.

You must maintain a vote on FM Kalou from your first post of the day until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. If Kalou is not lynched while you are blackmailed, we will kill you.

I thought about adding more to make it similar to the 'only show suspicion for green' thing, but I'm not sure if that would be accepted. So I guess I'll start with this: Is the above blackmail (in the spoiler tag) acceptable?

I don't like the bit about savages, because I don't want anyone to know our plans. If he's a delta he could claim it and sacrificie himself to turn the savages against us by confirming that we are hunting for them (they probably already suspect it, but better not to confirm it). Plus he could be a savage himself. So this way all he'll know is that we want Kalou lynched, but not why.

[FM Ferengi]

Since Dunn died, and he was the one being obnoxious and doing his own actions. Can we forget that rule in case of afk?

I think it's easiest to keep things the way they are. Maybe you guys could designate a different color for posting night action suggestions in the future?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Not sure what else to say at this point. I vote we kill Ackerman. And I think the blackmail is fine. I'll just fine tune it to be more loophole-proof.

You must maintain a vote on FM Kalou from your first post of the day until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. If Kalou is not lynched while you are blackmailed, we will kill you.

I thought about adding more to make it similar to the 'only show suspicion for green' thing, but I'm not sure if that would be accepted. So I guess I'll start with this: Is the above blackmail (in the spoiler tag) acceptable?

I don't like the bit about savages, because I don't want anyone to know our plans. If he's a delta he could claim it and sacrificie himself to turn the savages against us by confirming that we are hunting for them (they probably already suspect it, but better not to confirm it). Plus he could be a savage himself. So this way all he'll know is that we want Kalou lynched, but not why.

He can't reveal his is blackmailed even to his teammates in the Savage night chat without the repercussions. Us killing Ackerman will basically prove that we are hunting them. A Delta will not give a shit if we threaten to kill him, especially at this point in the game. Which is why I wanted to do the savage thing.

While your blackmail is not loophole proof, I see a problem being the player putting at the end of every post FM Kalou. Would follow the blackmail and make everyone assume he is blackmailed.

Man if I was a delta you guys would've gotten trolled hard if you targeted me.

[FM Ferengi]

Is the above blackmail (in the spoiler tag) acceptable?

This note wouldn't be approved since it references the first post. Can you remove that part?

[FM Artaxerxes]

You must vote on FM Kalou and retain it until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. The vote should only be submitted once and not changed. If you do not complete the blackmail on the first day, we will assume you are a savage and kill you.

Since we are attacking a savage suspect tonight anyways, we might as well go all out in the note. I don't want them attempting to test us and waste a kill.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Sorry leo, gonna go with my gut on this

Current Night Actions -

FM Artaxerxes attack FM Ackerman
FM Leonardo blackmail FM Rose You must vote on FM Kalou and retain it until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. The vote should only be submitted once and not changed. If you do not complete the blackmail on the first day, we will assume you are a savage and kill you.
FM Attila drug FM Chapman blackmail feedback You must vote on FM Kalou and retain it until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. The vote should only be submitted once and not changed. If you do not complete the blackmail on the first day, we will assume you are a savage and kill you.

Is this blackmail acceptable?

Leo, thoughts on a death note?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Current Night Actions -

FM Artaxerxes attack FM Ackerman
FM Leonardo blackmail FM Rose You must vote on FM Kalou and retain it until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. The vote should only be submitted once and not changed. If you do not complete the blackmail on the first day, we will assume you are a savage and kill you.
FM Attila drug FM Chapman blackmail feedback You must vote on FM Kalou and retain it until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. The vote should only be submitted once and not changed. If you do not complete the blackmail on the first day, we will assume you are a savage and kill you.

Added BOLD

[FM Artaxerxes]

30 minutes. and we are going to be stuck with Attila sending the drug to ackerman from his actions be locked in 46 posts ago. ._.

[FM Attila]

I would like to change my action to what has been suggested by my mafia partners

[FM Attila]

I hope it got in time here. I've been called away for a lot of the day.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I hope it got in time here. I've been called away for a lot of the day.

Player choice for you :D

[FM Artaxerxes]

Yes you did. You had me worried though.

[FM Leonardo]

This note wouldn't be approved since it references the first post. Can you remove that part?

But then it has a huge loophole because he can just place the vote a second before someone else hammers and it still counts, which completely defeats the purpose of the blackmail... Can I just become a mafioso already?

[FM Leonardo]

But then it has a huge loophole because he can just place the vote a second before someone else hammers and it still counts, which completely defeats the purpose of the blackmail... Can I just become a mafioso already?

A second before someone else hammers someone other than kalou, that is. As in, we're lynching Ryan, and he can just "herp derp vote kalou" before someone hammers ryan and then next day be like "lol blackmailed and stuff".

[FM Attila]

Well shucks mistra.. This role is nerfed hm..

What about just a simple and easy: Keep a lynch vote placed on FM Kalou all day.

[FM Leonardo]

Well shucks mistra.. This role is nerfed hm..

What about just a simple and easy: Keep a lynch vote placed on FM Kalou all day.

I'm sure there is going to be some reason this won't be accepted, but let's see. Would that work?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I mean do we really expect the lynch to go in another way?

It's all good guys. We basically will control the day votes. As long as Donnelly and I are alive, we can make the town sheep us. This is just extra incentive to our cause. Is there a problem with the one I have?

Also Donnelly, I was thinking about you claiming Mason enforcer. They are going to expect a Soma to be given out n11. So we should begin thinking about your claim and a fake soma if possible.

[FM Ferengi]

Is this blackmail acceptable?

Yes it is acceptable. But due to forum complications, the vote counter has been disabled, so we are going to do manual vote counts. I'll enforce the blackmail that it must be registered by the vote counter if it gets fixed OR it has to be placed in a way that is recognized by the hosts as a vote if the vote counter is not fixed. It's up to you if you want to edit the blackmail to reflect this or not.

[FM Attila]

:)

[FM Ferengi]

Can I just become a mafioso already?

Sorry, but there is no way to change your role.


Would that work?

That blackmail is approved.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Yes it is acceptable. But due to forum complications, the vote counter has been disabled, so we are going to do manual vote counts. I'll enforce the blackmail that it must be registered by the vote counter if it gets fixed OR it has to be placed in a way that is recognized by the hosts as a vote if the vote counter is not fixed. It's up to you if you want to edit the blackmail to reflect this or not.

GUIS HE ACCEPTED!

and yeah that's fine if you enforce it that way. i'm gonna miss the vote counter

[FM Artaxerxes]

@Leo you can do tomorrows kill if it makes you feel like a mafioso

[FM Leonardo]

I mean do we really expect the lynch to go in another way?

It's all good guys. We basically will control the day votes. As long as Donnelly and I are alive, we can make the town sheep us. This is just extra incentive to our cause. Is there a problem with the one I have?

Also Donnelly, I was thinking about you claiming Mason enforcer. They are going to expect a Soma to be given out n11. So we should begin thinking about your claim and a fake soma if possible.

True. I was thinking I could give my first one to you and have you confirm it. Though that would be risky since I could die and leave you looking suspicious. Though I guess you could just say "it must have been a drug" and they'll believe you as long as Galloway doesn't act.

By the way, I still think trying to block feedback to a savage PR might be more useful than a fake blackmail... But I guess it's probably too late to change it.

Also- I would not be at all surprised if the savages kill me tonight. They've been trying to get me lynched during the day and that hasn't worked, so I will not at all be surprised if I'm dead tomorrow.

On one hand, I'd love to stick around and survive/win and be eligible for scuMVP, but on the other hand, not dealing with my blackmail would make nights a lot less stressful for you guys. So if I die, good luck. I believe in you. Kill Ackerman. And if he flips witch, kill Ryan. If neither of those work out somehow, then try Galletta, but by that point we've probably lost already unless some serious shit goes down.

And if I don't die, then yay, I guess.

[FM Attila]

Good luck to us all eh?

[FM Leonardo]

Sorry, but there is no way to change your role.
[/COLOR]

;(


@Leo you can do tomorrows kill if it makes you feel like a mafioso

:love:

[Forum Mafia GM]

Night actions locked in.

[FM Ferengi]

This post contains the night actions that have been accepted.


Current Night Actions -

FM Artaxerxes attack FM Ackerman
FM Leonardo blackmail FM Rose You must vote on FM Kalou and retain it until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. The vote should only be submitted once and not changed. If you do not complete the blackmail on the first day, we will assume you are a savage and kill you.
FM Attila drug FM Chapman blackmail feedback You must vote on FM Kalou and retain it until the day ends. The vote must be registered by the vote counter and cannot be removed for any reason. The vote should only be submitted once and not changed. If you do not complete the blackmail on the first day, we will assume you are a savage and kill you.

Added BOLD

[FM Artaxerxes]

Good luck to us all eh?

Because of Ryan saying he will side with whoever kills Mason. We should assume he is either the SGF trying to direct our night kill, or actually the Witch.

If he is the Witch, then Savages will likely try to side with him and kill Mason. Giving us a free night of safety :D

[FM Leonardo]

Because of Ryan saying he will side with whoever kills Mason. We should assume he is either the SGF trying to direct our night kill, or actually the Witch.

If he is the Witch, then Savages will likely try to side with him and kill Mason. Giving us a free night of safety :D

Or he's just a savage who already plans to kill mason, and is going to use that as a cover for when he starts posting blatantly pro-savage things in day chat.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Or he's just a savage who already plans to kill mason, and is going to use that as a cover for when he starts posting blatantly pro-savage things in day chat.

True. Either way it's good for us, since we are not going to be attacked. It's a smart ploy to reveal himself as a savage to the Witch.

In case Ackerman survives, I will be confirming in my first post if Ackerman was immune to my kill or if I was roleblocked by not putting a period at the end of my first post.

Like so -

If i'm roleblocked
So the mafia didn't kill? Ryan if you are siding with the Savages you should reveal who you forced Mason to roleblock

If he had a vest
So the mafia didn't kill? Ryan if you are siding with the Savages you should reveal who you forced Mason to roleblock.

Simple, shouldn't be hard to see. I won't be posting until after work though, per usual. If Ackerman dies, obviously there is no need for me to do either of those.

[FM Leonardo]

True. Either way it's good for us, since we are not going to be attacked. It's a smart ploy to reveal himself as a savage to the Witch.

In case Ackerman survives, I will be confirming in my first post if Ackerman was immune to my kill or if I was roleblocked by not putting a period at the end of my first post.

Like so -

If i'm roleblocked
So the mafia didn't kill? Ryan if you are siding with the Savages you should reveal who you forced Mason to roleblock

If he had a vest
So the mafia didn't kill? Ryan if you are siding with the Savages you should reveal who you forced Mason to roleblock.

Simple, shouldn't be hard to see. I won't be posting until after work though, per usual. If Ackerman dies, obviously there is no need for me to do either of those.

Looks good to me. Godspeed, guys.

[FM Artaxerxes]

So i'm going to stay up til day starts just to see how good/bad things are. then crash.

You and attila are both sounds so morbid :x