Day 8

[Forum Mafia GM]

Day 8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MngKeSb800



I haven't slept in 8 days now.

I'm pretty sure this is unhealthy.

Being on a diet of purely whiskey probably makes it worse.

To the matter at hand, Hopgood was our latest victim.

He ran something only slightly illegal, participating in kidnapping and owned multiple weapons.

He was a Jailor, so I heard.

On the floor with no regrets.

Sometimes I wished soma existed.

They seem so happy.


Anyway, Carruthers had a sadder fate.
The gun clutched to his head, the trigger pulled.

He couldn't face the world anymore, so he thought.

He had been just a Delta.

An insignificant little speck on the brave new world they live in.


I need a drink.


-Aldous Ford
June 6, 2013 A.F.

FM Hopgood was killed. He was the Jailor.

FM Carruthers committed suicide. He was naught but a simple Delta.


One article was submitted this to the London Times this morning:


Oh, its your Delta

What I have been hiding: I think I have figured out a way to loophole the blackmail. This took me sevral days to figure out. This is the vital info I wanted to keep hidden for so long. The reason I wanted to keep this hidden for so long was to keep it out of mafias and savages hands. I figured if savages knew about it, they could use it to gain the town points. I have talked with the host and the host has said that if you can find a way to “indirectly” show/say you are blackmailed then it won’t count against you. I have several ideas but if I post it in here it would be considers a tell-tale of being blackmailed. So what you guys (and gals) need to do is find a way to “indirectly” show you are blackmailed if you become it. Really this is borderline of saying ways but host approved it nerveless. And trust me, I know there are ways to "indirectly" show it.

This is also what I have been hiding: This is also somewhat of my last will if I die because some things are not adding up. I’ve been trying to swing under the radar for the longest time because I’ve noticed on the kill pattern of the mafia. They most likely random fired n1. N2 they hit a detective because something must have figured to them. The following days they hit a savage and a corrupt journalist. Now this pattern seems off for consigs findings. Maybe they knew too much, maybe they were fosing the mafia. But regardless their kill patter on hitting 2 scums (one that wins with them) just strikes me odd. Really if they did have a consig I think they would of found mayor earlier and shot the mayor. I found if you play as an analytical player (like how I kind of am but not one of the best). The scums will shoot you fast because they will figure it that you will find them. This is my 2nd or 3rd big fm I think but I have learned a lot. Your play style will decide how fast you live or die. I’ve been trying to run under the radar as a sheep so I can stay till the late game. The only reason parker is still alive in this is because the mayor controls who will win if town doesn’t. The moment one of the sides kills the mayor they become the lower faction. If I was playing analyst like in this interview. I would have been shot long ago. I have a feeling after this I won’t be around for much longer. Scums rather use the sheep. It won’t surprise me if I die in the following days. But I have achieved what I needed to do. But they know if they kill me they lose the chance to kill the prs.

Here’s was last night’s vote tally
FM Ackerman (7 [L-4]): FM Rose, FM Kalou, FM Green, FM Leary, FM Phelps, FM Mason, FM Galletta
FM Phelps (11 [L-0]): FM Mendez, FM Galloway, FM Fontaine, FM Lichtmann, FM Hopgood, FM Ryan, FM Donnelly, FM Parker (Mayor)

I’m not gonna go through them all because I don’t have the time to do so but I think this one should suffice. On forming opinions and thoughts. One thing for sure is that this late mafia is probably not in the Phelps train. There could be potentially one but not more it would be too big of a gambit for the mafias to try that. I figure anyone who is replaced this late is more likely a delta right now. Gf, savage gf, prs, mafias, all of those slots for me would not seek replacement but then again you never know.

FM Ackerman – he’s was tough to figure, we pressured him yet he doesn’t defend himself as a true delta, he started the biggs train and wants an interview to talk about night one. After taking some time to think about it and based off what phelps said, he is most likely a jester.
He was on neither train

FM Carruthers – claimed corner and said he was blackmailed and would be demoted to deta now, now I believe the corner claim for a time, however what I don’t believe is the lacks of last wills. Even our detective should have been able to find something from n1. I think he might have been a delta that was savaged into corner and then claimed the blackmail to allow mafia to get in something. He could also be a mafia himself and faked it to find something. Overall he has not been helpful. And doesn’t sit right with me.
He was on neither train.

FM Chapman- fosed me, claims vig, says to be delta taking bullet for tpr, sounds about right for me. I wouldn’t count chapman out being a savage though, I doubt the savage gf would do such gambit so I consider chapman delta/converted savage. Overall not a huge focus
He was on neither train.

FM Donnelly – claimed delta, been mostly active in the hunt for the mafia and savages, I would consider him still town. But at same time any delta could be a savage now, I’m in uncertainty with Donnelly but I doubt hes a mafia. Has the potential to be savage gf but im leaning more on the delta/possible savage
He was on the phelps train.

FM Earle – claims journal/corrupt, Now as long as savage gf is alive he could potentaly be savaged as a regular so we need to keep an eye out for that. Even if he does become savaged we can put it on the back burner, our main key is the savage gf itself.
He was on neither train.

FM Fontaine – hes been mostly inactive and just blindly sheeps with mayor, claims delta, replaced and doesn’t give a crap. Meh it sounds about right. Could be a savage but not gf savage.
He was on the phelps train.

FM Galletta – after reading though phelps chat slightly, I figured that galetta is 99% mafia due to this little quote
I trust galetta more over Ackerman. Because i blocked her once and there were still kills. That makes her a lot more trustable than all the other lurkers i never blocked. The first Galetta COM was a real dick, glad he is gone. (post 490) This triggers me that they were talking at night as well. But it could be phelps trying to put a seed of deception. Galletta is very very iffy right now. Also due to host meta if galletta was truly a delta I think the modkill would of came into play right then and there. Something tells me galetta is hiding something.
She was on the ackerman train

FM Galloway – never claimed role, Said he was witched last night, I know this trick from another game played. What concerns me is that we don’t even have a witch at all and that it’s a personification. The last few days there has been an absence of a witch. I think the 2 dders theory fits this. They fake a witch drug around and then its gone. Now I think the mafia/savages are trying to stir up the witch idea again. Also his fos on everyone seems pretty half-sighted. If we look back we see hes very analytical and been under the radar for a long time. How has the mafia nor the savages shot him yet?
He was on the phelps train.

FM Green – a lot ppl slotting him witch has popped up but he claims replaced. If green was replaced that morning then something doesn’t add up with the witching of last night, could be possible but unsure for now. I think that he is more delta like as of right now. He wanted the delta mayhem sorted out.
He was on the ackerman train. (also claimed replaced)

FM Hopgood – I feel like his claim of jailor and then posting of night chats seems legit. I don’t think the player has the caliber to craft something like that very easily. I would consider hopgood a legit jailor right now.
He was on the phelps train.

FM Kalou – Kalou has been interesting to me, he says he knows some stuff but gives what seems to me is lackluster reads, I find it slightly hard to slot him as delta but then again hes one of the harder people for me to get a read off. I think we should inquire him at least
He was on the ackerman train

FM Kelso – Kelso has just been there, not doing too much and been doing quick reads, I would like to hear more from him and see a more in deph read from him. Im favoring him to be what could be a member of the savage.
He was on neither train

FM Leary – leary has been very iffy around most of this game, he claims delta under the pressure but doesn’t really give us any reads or leads, he has no avatar (lol trolling). So for me I dislike the fact that he think ackerman is 100% scum.
He was on the ackerman train

FM Lichtmann – A lonesome delta
I was on the phelps train.

FM Mason – been trolley all game. However seems to be fine with what mayor. I still consider mason a delta. Even yesterday mason was trying to communicate though the blackmail (most likely the blackmailed target). Mason even voted up phelps and then switched back because mayor requested.
She was on the ackerman train. (but was all for the phelps train)

FM Mendez – votes up mafia, been an active player with hunting down the scums and everything. I would consider mendez still a town.
She was on the phelps train

FM Parker – Mayor, confirmed town, mayor I have to say knowing who you are it has been a fun game playing, I just think when you find out who I am you will laugh and be amazed
Lynched phelps

FM Rose – claims delta in interview. However rose seems to be very anti delta like, rose seems to be pointing more towards a scum right now.
On ackerman train

FM Ryan – claimed rbed, claims delta and seems semi active around us. I don’t see him exactly being anything Mafia/savage gf based.
Was on the phelps train

I think galloway is our next focus at hands. Been active, known analistst. But yesterday when giving reads on all, it seems the opposite of what it should be.

Also about our “witch” I mentioned it in gallow but I will bring it up here again. If theres a witch then the roles are not adding up. It makes sense for 2 dders to be personifying this acclaimed witch around. With only one drug dealer left, the scums might have resorted to just fake claiming. If we get a witch claim we need to see who it is that claims it.

Also I think today that someone new will be blackmailed. If we look at phelps he said to blackmail/kill mayor. That means that mason was probably blackmailed into doing that.

Our priorities right now is finding the mafia and force them to weaken the savages. If mayor is to die I will see to it that the faction that killed the mayor will lose. Both sides can’t kill mayor by the looks of it because they are in a balance right now. They know if they kill mayor the power shift to the 2 sides. However the faction that does kill mayor will then likely lose because if town is in non-winning position, town will make sure that the faction that killed mayor will lose.

If mafia kills mayor, the town will go gun ho at mafias because savages can still take towns in under the fold.

If savages kill mayor, they lose an instrumental power because the moment savage gf dies they become almost nothing and gives mafia the power.

How I see it is that the only thing the mayor is a threat to is the mafia, the savages need mayor alive to get mafias out, only after mafia is gone or nearly depleted will they worry about mayor.

I would type more up but time is running short for me and the deadline draws soon. So I will submit what I have for now and see what happens to our day.

Graveyard:
FM Gage (Architect) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM McKelty (Delta) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Bishop (Detective) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Becket (Corrupt Journalist) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Cohen (Arsonist) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Colmyer (Delta) - Committed suicide.
FM Morgan (Savage) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Biggs (Delta) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Ballard (Savage Investigator) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Bekowsky (Delta) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Buchwalter (Drug Dealer) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Hogeboom (Bus Driver) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Monroe (Escort) - Eaten alive viciously.
FM Dunn (Kidnapper) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Black (Mason Clubber) - Eaten alive viciously.
FM Cafarelli (Investigator) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Phelps (Consort) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Carruthers (Delta) - Committed suicide.
FM Hopgood (Jailor) - Overdosed on laced soma.

Role List:
Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]

[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Evil Neutral]
[s][Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]

Not Crossed Off:
FM Morgan (Savage)
FM Ballard (Savage Investigator)

Anonymous Accounts:
FM Ackerman
FM Ballard
FM Becket
FM Bekowsky
FM Biggs
FM Bishop
FM Black
FM Buchwalter
FM Cafarelli
FM Carruthers
FM Chapman
FM Cohen
FM Colmyer
FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Gage
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Hogeboom
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM McKelty
FM Mendez
FM Monroe
FM Morgan
FM Parker
FM Phelps
FM Rose
FM Ryan

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Night 9 begins at: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=9pm+PST+June+7

[FM Parker]

I was witched. Don't worry, I didn't pass the soma. I asked this days ago. No baddies should have soma.

For the group's satisifcation, I reposted my question so the hosts will answer publicly.

If I choose not to pass soma, would the witch force me to if he/she hit me?

They said that witching only occurs on those who actively take actions and that it cannot force someone who does nothing to act.

[FM Kalou]

just because your on the phelps train, doesnt mean you aren't mafia.

i would like to throw the idea that phelps claim about the witched thing may have applied yesterday? that the one person who claimed witched maybe wasnt actually witched?

[FM Ferengi]

If I choose not to pass soma, would the witch force me to if he/she hit me?

If you choose not to pass soma, the witch would not force you to pass soma if the witch witched you.

[FM Kalou]

I was witched. Don't worry, I didn't pass the soma. I asked this days ago. No baddies should have soma.

For the group's satisifcation, I reposted my question so the hosts will answer publicly.

If I choose not to pass soma, would the witch force me to if he/she hit me?

They said that witching only occurs on those who actively take actions and that it cannot force someone who does nothing to act.


just because your on the phelps train, doesnt mean you aren't mafia.

i would like to throw the idea that phelps claim about the witched thing may have applied yesterday? that the one person who claimed witched maybe wasnt actually witched?

lol doesnt apply today. unless someone else claims witched. doubt it though.

[FM Mason]

When you're ready come and get it
Na na na na. Na na na na. Na na na na
When you're ready come and get it
Na na na na. Na na na na. Na na na na
Na na na na. Na na na na. Na na na na

[FM Parker]

The trains today I'm thinking between

Mason
Lichtmann
Galloway
and
Mendez


I cannot see why the mafia made my life a hell of a lot easier by shooting Carruthers and Hopgood. Now I know my theory about Leary was wrong and Carruthers was just framed by incompetent town.

[FM Parker]

Was Carruther's suicide a blackmail suicide or a voluntary suicide?

[FM Ferengi]

Was Carruther's suicide a blackmail suicide or a voluntary suicide?

I can neither confirm nor deny if it was a blackmail suicide or voluntary suicide.

[FM Kalou]

The trains today I'm thinking between

Mason
Lichtmann
Galloway
and
Mendez


I cannot see why the mafia made my life a hell of a lot easier by shooting Carruthers and Hopgood. Now I know my theory about Leary was wrong and Carruthers was just framed by incompetent town.

mason almost definitely in my book. it seems to me that carruthers was blackmailed twice? he wouldnt have suicided if he wasn't... right? im not exactly sure, but you are keeping track of the blackmail trail

then again, he was bitching yesterday.

would you clarify if someone was modkilled?

[FM Ferengi]

would you clarify if someone was modkilled?

Yes. So far, nobody has been modkilled, although we have had some replacements.

[FM Kalou]

139. What is your take on suicide?
Suicide isn't in the spirit of the game.

140. Can a player Suicide?
Yes, but it will be heavily frowned upon.

141. Are there any rules attached to when/how a player may suicide?
A player cannot suicide if he is possessed by the ghost (think of it like a disguiser where the player no longer has control over his account due to the possession). Suicides must not be taken lightly, and I will make sure that it gets treated like a modkill in the FM database unless you PM the hosts about it extensively before resorting to this option. If you do wish to suicide and nothing will change your mind, make sure you PM both hosts with your decision. Your PM must be received less than halfway through the regularly scheduled day/night to allow for communication with the host or your action may be overlooked until the next day/night cycle.

142. Are there any penalties to suicide?
In most cases, your suicide will be marked as a modkill in the FM database. If you no longer wish to play, please consider replacing out rather than suiciding. In extenuating circumstances in which you have PM'ed thoroughly with the hosts, the lightest penalty you will receive is a "lurked" in the FM database to mark your participation in this FM.

[FM Mason]

The trains today I'm thinking between

Mason
Lichtmann
Galloway
and
Mendez


I cannot see why the mafia made my life a hell of a lot easier by shooting Carruthers and Hopgood. Now I know my theory about Leary was wrong and Carruthers was just framed by incompetent town.

Why me ;-;

[FM Ferengi]

139. What is your take on suicide?
Suicide isn't in the spirit of the game.

140. Can a player Suicide?
Yes, but it will be heavily frowned upon.

141. Are there any rules attached to when/how a player may suicide?
A player cannot suicide if he is possessed by the ghost (think of it like a disguiser where the player no longer has control over his account due to the possession). Suicides must not be taken lightly, and I will make sure that it gets treated like a modkill in the FM database unless you PM the hosts about it extensively before resorting to this option. If you do wish to suicide and nothing will change your mind, make sure you PM both hosts with your decision. Your PM must be received less than halfway through the regularly scheduled day/night to allow for communication with the host or your action may be overlooked until the next day/night cycle.

142. Are there any penalties to suicide?
In most cases, your suicide will be marked as a modkill in the FM database. If you no longer wish to play, please consider replacing out rather than suiciding. In extenuating circumstances in which you have PM'ed thoroughly with the hosts, the lightest penalty you will receive is a "lurked" in the FM database to mark your participation in this FM.

I know it's confusing, but the type of "player suicide" referenced here is different from "blackmail suicide" or "jester suicide". These three types of suicide happen at the same time in the OoO and cannot be distinguished.

[FM Mason]

I'm gonna assume it was blackmail suicide

[FM Parker]

Carruthers was legitimate... Mason could have been trolling or faking. I am unsure which.

Mason... could be faking bm could be real... The fact that the Savages didn't shoot Mason when I believed, and buddied up to Mason as if he was the enforcer suggests to me that Mason is a savage. Yet, he wouldn't be the savage Godfather so... I'm not sure if putting him up is the right move or not.

Lichtman... he's my witch candidate. His information is dangerous to those claiming blackmailed. Plus, it provides nothing we didn't already know. The bulk of this is trying to argue that there is no witch. I cannot see the mafia drugging random people into believing they are witched. The gig would be up pretty fast if a TPR called the mafia out on that. Plus, that setup requires three drug dealers. Practically non-existant. For an analyzer, he should have thought of that. I was drugged, Galloway was witched and Buchwalter was dead. Therefore, three drugs... not a chance in hell. So he's misleading about the setup.

He's also saying we should call the day short if we lack evidence... that's not pro-town behavior of anyone who I regularly play with.

Galloway -- He's a dangerous analytical sheep. I haven't seen him try to steer the train anywhere I wasn't putting it. Causes diversion within town but does it in a manner he can argue is protown. Got my eye on this one.

Mendez --- For some reason, I just cannot solidify Mendez as town even though he's been really active. He called Fontaine a she which worries me they have a night chat together.

[FM Parker]

**Lichtmann suggested calling off the day and hurriedly lynching when we had evidence on Phelps. Slight modification to be correct.

[FM Mason]

Carruthers was a coroner because the host crossed off two hidden l/g/b/t's instead of one and a delta

[FM Kalou]

Carruthers was a coroner because the host crossed off two hidden l/g/b/t's instead of one and a delta

wheres your role play?

[FM Mason]

wheres your role play?

I did enough yesterday to last me for today

[FM Parker]

Yeah I feel sorry for Carruthers. He was close with Buchwalter, had a coroner's claim that was greatly hindered by the town, and just looked scummier the more he talked. I kinda get why he suicided if he did. Hopefully, he'd forgive me considering the way the evidence looked.


Kalou/Mason - Can you both give your comments regarding my possible lynch targets for the day?

[FM Mason]

Yeah I feel sorry for Carruthers. He was close with Buchwalter, had a coroner's claim that was greatly hindered by the town, and just looked scummier the more he talked. I kinda get why he suicided if he did. Hopefully, he'd forgive me considering the way the evidence looked.


Kalou/Mason - Can you both give your comments regarding my possible lynch targets for the day?

Well I don't wanna be on it! Get Mendez!

[FM Parker]

@Mason, why Mendez? Give me something more than, she's not Mason.

[FM Kalou]

Carruthers was legitimate... Mason could have been trolling or faking. I am unsure which.

Mason... could be faking bm could be real... The fact that the Savages didn't shoot Mason when I believed, and buddied up to Mason as if he was the enforcer suggests to me that Mason is a savage. Yet, he wouldn't be the savage Godfather so... I'm not sure if putting him up is the right move or not.

Lichtman... he's my witch candidate. His information is dangerous to those claiming blackmailed. Plus, it provides nothing we didn't already know. The bulk of this is trying to argue that there is no witch. I cannot see the mafia drugging random people into believing they are witched. The gig would be up pretty fast if a TPR called the mafia out on that. Plus, that setup requires three drug dealers. Practically non-existant. For an analyzer, he should have thought of that. I was drugged, Galloway was witched and Buchwalter was dead. Therefore, three drugs... not a chance in hell. So he's misleading about the setup.

He's also saying we should call the day short if we lack evidence... that's not pro-town behavior of anyone who I regularly play with.

Galloway -- He's a dangerous analytical sheep. I haven't seen him try to steer the train anywhere I wasn't putting it. Causes diversion within town but does it in a manner he can argue is protown. Got my eye on this one.

Mendez --- For some reason, I just cannot solidify Mendez as town even though he's been really active. He called Fontaine a she which worries me they have a night chat together.

not exactly defending, but...

in galloways case, he could just not be trying to get in your way. someone that disagrees with a proven TPR could be seen as scum and a derailer. (not in my book, but its often time used as a reason)

mendez's slip, i hate those types of reasons, because it COULD just be a mistake. For example, in the last FM, Bonney was outed as journalist day one because she accidentally said night instead of day(or something along those lines). COULD be a slip, but im going to chalk it up to Mendez is actually a girl, and thinks other players are girls. but fontaine doesnt really sound feminine to me.

[FM Mason]

@Mason, why Mendez? Give me something more than, she's not Mason.

Well everyone else on your list seems town to me. Especially mason. He's a cool guy.
I'm scared of rose..
Has the mafia killed every night? Who hasn't been blocked yet?

[FM Parker]

What about Lichtmann seems town to you?

[FM Kalou]

Well I don't wanna be on it! Get Mendez!

if you think the fake blackmail could line up, then i would say mason to be lying, or at least having an excuse not to talk yesterday.

lichtmann... why the f would he not just reveal that in day chat. he needs to explain why the blackmail thing was so secret that he couldnt post in day chat. a (smart) town member should have just revealed that. theres no way for mafia to go around that....

[FM Parker]

not exactly defending, but...

in galloways case, he could just not be trying to get in your way. someone that disagrees with a proven TPR could be seen as scum and a derailer. (not in my book, but its often time used as a reason)

mendez's slip, i hate those types of reasons, because it COULD just be a mistake. For example, in the last FM, Bonney was outed as journalist day one because she accidentally said night instead of day(or something along those lines). COULD be a slip, but im going to chalk it up to Mendez is actually a girl, and thinks other players are girls. but fontaine doesnt really sound feminine to me.

No this is exactly why I want your opinions. I haven't confirmed who I'm going to put up at all. Your reasons could be accurate. That's why I'm being overly cautious before I make a move. I'm strongly in favor of Mason/Lichtmann... I mainly want the others to know I'm watching them.

[FM Mason]

It would be silly for scum to act so scummy on day 1. Maybe he's a savage! Lets get him!
But he won't be the godfather. The go would play very safe in the early game

[FM Mason]

I only pretended to be blackmailed because I thought the the blackmailer got me and I was drugged to no feedback! I was playing it safe!

[FM Kalou]

No this is exactly why I want your opinions. I haven't confirmed who I'm going to put up at all. Your reasons could be accurate. That's why I'm being overly cautious before I make a move. I'm strongly in favor of Mason/Lichtmann... I mainly want the others to know I'm watching them.

just because someone gets off because their 'opponent' was lynched doesnt mean the other one wasnt scum.
if i was mayor, i would have lynched ackerman by now.

[FM Kalou]

I only pretended to be blackmailed because I thought the the blackmailer got me and I was drugged to no feedback! I was playing it safe!

can you believe this?

[FM Mason]

can you believe this?

Yes. I don't want to underestimate the mafia.

[FM Parker]

I only pretended to be blackmailed because I thought the the blackmailer got me and I was drugged to no feedback! I was playing it safe!

So you claim enforcer?

@Kalou, Ackerman is far from off. I'm using the escort to verify if Ackerman is the drug dealer now. Until I have that feedback, I cannot be certain as to his status.

[FM Galloway]

Carruthers was legitimate... Mason could have been trolling or faking. I am unsure which.

Mason... could be faking bm could be real... The fact that the Savages didn't shoot Mason when I believed, and buddied up to Mason as if he was the enforcer suggests to me that Mason is a savage. Yet, he wouldn't be the savage Godfather so... I'm not sure if putting him up is the right move or not. Mason is definately faking it. Carruthers is a smartish player and knew better than to suicide unneedingly. I think whomever made him "fulfill" his blackmail requirements on the first day he got it needs another check up because there is no way that Carruthers would suicide on his own. thus that would render BM occupied and thus Mason cannot be BM'd and is faking it. Aside from that however is the fact that Mason is clearly intelligent to put thought into her post styles to match her RP and the assignments of her RP players, Mister J, Batman, Robin, etc. Mason needs to be looked at closer I have no doubt about it.

Lichtman... he's my witch candidate. His information is dangerous to those claiming blackmailed. Plus, it provides nothing we didn't already know. The bulk of this is trying to argue that there is no witch. I cannot see the mafia drugging random people into believing they are witched. The gig would be up pretty fast if a TPR called the mafia out on that. Plus, that setup requires three drug dealers. Practically non-existant. For an analyzer, he should have thought of that. I was drugged, Galloway was witched and Buchwalter was dead. Therefore, three drugs... not a chance in hell. So he's misleading about the setup.
He's also saying we should call the day short if we lack evidence... that's not pro-town behavior of anyone who I regularly play with.
Im thinking that there is a witch in this setup because I was witched, we have had previous witching, and you just claimed it. With the knowledge that you got two soma messages yesterday and I was witched it should be fairly confirmed. Side from that is the fact that Litchmann tried hard to steer town down a wrong path without trying to step in the way of the lynch trains going on. Litchmann showed restraint with his posts and he hasn't committed to any side at all. Throughout the game. It would be a huge mistake to ignore him further. If you remember I tried to bring more light onto his behavior but no one listened.

Galloway -- He's a dangerous analytical sheep. I haven't seen him try to steer the train anywhere I wasn't putting it. Causes diversion within town but does it in a manner he can argue is protown. Got my eye on this one.
I don't know what you want me to say? If I agree with some of the lynches that you have driven home, as I stated numerous times before the lynches themselves had actually begun to take thought in peoples heads which was also highly ignored, then I would show support without taking away town leader from you. You have not [bleep] up so far so.. Why would I cause uneeded conflict by in essence smearing you and taking away control. For the matter of causing diversion. Thats not me. Thats everyone else who cannot take two seconds to control their emotions and get their heads on straight. (Also. My reads were generalized because the real thing would take up way to much space, which I have also said before which apparently got ignored.)

Mendez --- For some reason, I just cannot solidify Mendez as town even though he's been really active. He called Fontaine a she which worries me they have a night chat together.

This seems pretty flimsy to be considered a read. If you have a gut feeling about somethin you need to go back deeper and find some posts that match your gut feeling and connect them to known scum.


not exactly defending, but...

in galloways case, he could just not be trying to get in your way. someone that disagrees with a proven TPR could be seen as scum and a derailer. (not in my book, but its often time used as a reason)

mendez's slip, i hate those types of reasons, because it COULD just be a mistake. For example, in the last FM, Bonney was outed as journalist day one because she accidentally said night instead of day(or something along those lines). COULD be a slip, but im going to chalk it up to Mendez is actually a girl, and thinks other players are girls. but fontaine doesnt really sound feminine to me.

Um.. Thanks for the defense? I guess that could be part of it but its really not. I didn't have anything better to offer and trying to wrestle control away from Parker is a retarded action to even consider due to the amount of strife that it would cause amongst us.

[FM Galloway]

I'm gonna get the ball rolling with someone who hasn't done jack [bleep] all game.

FM Mason

[FM Parker]

@Galloway, defense noted for now. The other three seem to be bigger problems, but I have my eye on you. You're not dangerous... yet.

[FM Mason]

So you claim enforcer?

@Kalou, Ackerman is far from off. I'm using the escort to verify if Ackerman is the drug dealer now. Until I have that feedback, I cannot be certain as to his status.

Nope!

[FM Galloway]

Its no big. Im used to being suspected as scum after all the gambits I've pulled.

[FM Parker]

Mason, claim please.

You've already outed yourself as TPR.

[FM Ackerman]

If a player claims blackmail while blackmailed AND fails to complete his task is he penalized twice?
If a player claims blackmail while blackmailed is the blackmail lifted when the penalty is completed?

[FM Mason]

Mason, claim please.

You've already outed yourself as TPR.

But if I claim, then ill die tonight!

[FM Parker]

Hi Ackerman,

Care to comment on Mason/ Lichtmann and Mendez? Also, were you roleblocked?

[FM Parker]

But if I claim, then ill die tonight!

Your status as a TPR is what would get you killed at this point. Since you already did that by saying "drugged no feed back" might as well go all the way and reveal everything you know, targets, feedbacks, the works.

[FM Ackerman]

Your status as a TPR is what would get you killed at this point. Since you already did that by saying "drugged no feed back" might as well go all the way and reveal everything you know, targets, feedbacks, the works.

He can't have been drugged no feedback, you were drugged, I'm all for the mason train.

FM Mason

[FM Donnelly]

For starters, nothing happened to me last night.


Carruthers was legitimate... Mason could have been trolling or faking. I am unsure which.

Mason... could be faking bm could be real... The fact that the Savages didn't shoot Mason when I believed, and buddied up to Mason as if he was the enforcer suggests to me that Mason is a savage. Yet, he wouldn't be the savage Godfather so... I'm not sure if putting him up is the right move or not.

Lichtman... he's my witch candidate. His information is dangerous to those claiming blackmailed. Plus, it provides nothing we didn't already know. The bulk of this is trying to argue that there is no witch. I cannot see the mafia drugging random people into believing they are witched. The gig would be up pretty fast if a TPR called the mafia out on that. Plus, that setup requires three drug dealers. Practically non-existant. For an analyzer, he should have thought of that. I was drugged, Galloway was witched and Buchwalter was dead. Therefore, three drugs... not a chance in hell. So he's misleading about the setup.

He's also saying we should call the day short if we lack evidence... that's not pro-town behavior of anyone who I regularly play with.

Galloway -- He's a dangerous analytical sheep. I haven't seen him try to steer the train anywhere I wasn't putting it. Causes diversion within town but does it in a manner he can argue is protown. Got my eye on this one.

Mendez --- For some reason, I just cannot solidify Mendez as town even though he's been really active. He called Fontaine a she which worries me they have a night chat together.

I choose Mason. I've been saying for a while now that Mason is scum. I think it's time we lynched him. You make some valid points about Galloway and Lichtmann (I think your reasoning for Mendez is pretty weak, though). I could also support a train on Lichtmann since he hasn't contributed much either, but Mason has been far worse. At least Lichtmann tried in the article. Mason probably would've just pissed it away and said some stupid quote from Harley Quinn. Which is why it is with great pleasure that I do the following:

FM Mason

[FM Mason]

Your status as a TPR is what would get you killed at this point. Since you already did that by saying "drugged no feed back" might as well go all the way and reveal everything you know, targets, feedbacks, the works.

I thought being drugged to no feedback would mean I didn't get the blackmail notice

[FM Parker]

He can't have been drugged no feedback, you were drugged, I'm all for the mason train.

FM Mason


I never claimed drugged today. I think you got confused somewhere. I claimed witched.

[FM Parker]

I thought being drugged to no feedback would mean I didn't get the blackmail notice

No. Mafia cannot use the DD to hide the feedback from their fellow mafia. So you're outed now. Reveal everything... there's plenty that are eager to lynch you here.

[FM Ackerman]

I never claimed drugged today. I think you got confused somewhere. I claimed witched.

He was talking about being drugged last night (The night he was possibly blackmailed), I should have been more clear.

[FM Galletta]

whoever wrote the article, i pray they never have children.

i was on the phelps train until parker asked me to switch you ******* ****. go ahead and ******* lynch me idgaf. i came into this game as a replacement to help keep host from having to modkill a town, if u wanna *** that up be my guest.

[FM Mason]

No. Mafia cannot use the DD to hide the feedback from their fellow mafia. So you're outed now. Reveal everything... there's plenty that are eager to lynch you here.

*pout*
You guys take this too seriously! Lighten up will ya?

Ackerman got blocked last night.

[FM Ferengi]

If a player claims blackmail while blackmailed AND fails to complete his task is he penalized twice?

There is a separate penalty for claiming blackmailed while blackmailed and for failing to complete a blackmail task. If a player claims blackmailed while blackmailed and fails to complete his task he will face both penalties.



If a player claims blackmail while blackmailed is the blackmail lifted when the penalty is completed?

The blackmail is only lifted once the blackmail task is fulfilled. Any penalties for claiming blackmailed while blackmailed will be given separately.

[FM Ackerman]

*pout*
You guys take this too seriously! Lighten up will ya?

Ackerman got blocked last night.

Are you claiming escort?

[FM Ackerman]

There is a separate penalty for claiming blackmailed while blackmailed and for failing to complete a blackmail task. If a player claims blackmailed while blackmailed and fails to complete his task he will face both penalties.




The blackmail is only lifted once the blackmail task is fulfilled. Any penalties for claiming blackmailed while blackmailed will be given separately.

That's a conclusive blackmail suicide you're welcome parker.

[FM Mason]

Are you claiming escort?

*sticks out my tongue*

How was it darling?

[FM Kalou]

so... if no one claims drugged, then ackerman is next? there was no reason for the DD not to drug last night.

[FM Ackerman]

so... if no one claims drugged, then ackerman is next? there was no reason for the DD not to drug last night.

I'd like to point out as of now I still suspect mason.

[FM Parker]

My biggest question is... why would the mafia lie about the pairing mason was in? I just don't see the point... and if they knew Mason was the likely escort, why did they kill Hopgood? He's only useful if we don't lynch... and we're still in lylo or close enough to worry like that.

[FM Galloway]

I'd like to point out as of now I still suspect mason.

Ackermann has just eluded that he was not roleblocked last night as Mason claims.

[FM Mason]

I'd like to point out as of now I still suspect mason.

You can't!
Did you not get blocked?

[FM Parker]

so... if no one claims drugged, then ackerman is next? there was no reason for the DD not to drug last night.

He'd at least be a target on day 9. A mafia without Ackerman would merely hold off on drugging to frame Ackerman. It's not conclusive proof but it would likely be good enough to move him into the top 2.

[FM Kalou]

the avatar makes sense, im no batman comic book fan, but it looks like a soft claim?

i did NOT suspect mason as escort. i would have thought her mason from fm host trolling.

[FM Ackerman]

My biggest question is... why would the mafia lie about the pairing mason was in? I just don't see the point... and if they knew Mason was the likely escort, why did they kill Hopgood? He's only useful if we don't lynch... and we're still in lylo or close enough to worry like that.

They don't really have a consig, or mason is mafia. The 2 drug dealers idea holds more water now than ever before.

[FM Parker]

Mason being mafia is a possibility... but then the savages would have shot him for being the enforcer. I tried like hell to do everything but SCREAM mason is the enforcer... no bite from the savages.

Also Mason, please post the you roleblocked your target feedback please.

[FM Parker]

Oh to be clear Ackerman, were you roleblocked?

[FM Donnelly]

There is a separate penalty for claiming blackmailed while blackmailed and for failing to complete a blackmail task. If a player claims blackmailed while blackmailed and fails to complete his task he will face both penalties.



The blackmail is only lifted once the blackmail task is fulfilled. Any penalties for claiming blackmailed while blackmailed will be given separately.

I think this supports the theory that Carruthers suicided due to blackmail. I thought he did try to complete it yesterday after he revealed it. I guess he must have missed something. The good news is that now we know he was telling the truth about the savages. It appears both Morgan and Ballard were originally deltas. Which means our actual roles list looks like this:

Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]

[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Evil Neutral]
[s][Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta

[FM Ackerman]

My vote for the trains is Mason/Galletta I'm currently leaning towards Galletta since she is probably the blackmailer.

FM Galletta

[FM Mason]

Mason being mafia is a possibility... but then the savages would have shot him for being the enforcer. I tried like hell to do everything but SCREAM mason is the enforcer... no bite from the savages.

Also Mason, please post the you roleblocked your target feedback please.

You mean the people I role blocked?

[FM Donnelly]

My vote for the trains is Mason/Galletta I'm currently leaning towards Galletta since she is probably the blackmailer.

FM Galletta

Didn't you JUST say you still suspected Mason? Why the sudden flip?

[FM Ackerman]

Didn't you JUST say you still suspected Mason? Why the sudden flip?

Blackmailer is killing people. We need it gone.

[FM Parker]

Galletta cannot be the blackmailer if we have a third roleblocker. Galletta was blocked night 1 and night 5. I may focus on her later, but not now.

Ackerman, were you roleblocked, yes or no?

[FM Parker]

You mean the people I role blocked?

Yes. And the text the hosts send you on a successful roleblock.

[FM Mason]

Why won't Ackerman say if he got sexed or not?
Was I really that bad? ;-;

[FM Ackerman]

Galletta cannot be the blackmailer if we have a third roleblocker. Galletta was blocked night 1 and night 5. I may focus on her later, but not now.

Ackerman, were you roleblocked, yes or no?

I cannot currently answer this question.

[FM Donnelly]

Why won't Ackerman say if he got sexed or not?
Was I really that bad? ;-;

Clearly you're not very good at your "job".

Ackerman not giving a straight answer is scummy though. Out with it, Ackerman. Were you or were you not roleblock last night?

[FM Donnelly]

I cannot currently answer this question.

lolwut

[FM Parker]

@Donnelly, Ackerman is claiming blackmailed evidently, nice...

Mason, if your list of who you blocked is taking awhile, just post the "successful" roleblock feedback you get from the hosts.

[FM Ackerman]

@Donnelly, Ackerman is claiming blackmailed evidently, nice...

Mason, if your list of who you blocked is taking awhile, just post the "successful" roleblock feedback you get from the hosts.

It's important to clarify I am not claiming blackmailed.

[FM Parker]

@All, by claiming blackmailed it is obvious what his blackmail is... not that Ackerman stated he was blackmailed and therefore would suicide.

[FM Kalou]

someone is pulling a play here....

[FM Galletta]

someone is pulling a play here....

obviously.

[FM Mason]

Night 1 - fm Galleta
Night 2 - fm Bekowski
Night 3 - fm Beckett
Night 4 - fm Donnelly
Night 5 - fm Phelps
Night 6 - fm Dunn
Night 7 - fm Ryan
Night 8 - fm Ackerman

I don't get feedback on successful sexs but on night 5 I did get a message saying he was immune to roleblock

[FM Parker]

If you didn't get a feedback night 7/8, how did you know you were drugged no feedback?

[FM Galloway]

Night 1 - fm Galleta
Night 2 - fm Bekowski
Night 3 - fm Beckett
Night 4 - fm Donnelly
Night 5 - fm Phelps
Night 6 - fm Dunn
Night 7 - fm Ryan
Night 8 - fm Ackerman

I don't get feedback on successful sexs but on night 5 I did get a message saying he was immune to roleblock
FM Ackermann

[FM Parker]

Galloway, stop. Mason's lying about being the escort. We can get Ackerman tomorrow. I'm trying to see something with these particular pairings.

[FM Galletta]

FM Ackermann

like to point out this vote didnt register

[FM Donnelly]

Hmm...

If someone is suiciding at night due to not completing a blackmail, at what point in the night are they no longer considered blackmailed?

[FM Mason]

If you didn't get a feedback night 7/8, how did you know you were drugged no feedback?

I never said I was. I said I might have been blackmailed and also drugged to no feedback, which would mean I couldn't see the blackmail but someone else pointed out that I was wrong

[FM Galloway]

Grumble..grumble...grumble...

ONE of them is lying. Mason has been trolling so hard. Ackermann has faked contributions.

Stupid...not good players being stupid..

Carruthers suiciding means Ackermann CANNOT be blackmailed tonight, I think... Need to read setup again.

[FM Galletta]

Grumble..grumble...grumble...

ONE of them is lying. Mason has been trolling so hard. Ackermann has faked contributions.

Stupid...not good players being stupid..

Carruthers suiciding means Ackermann CANNOT be blackmailed tonight, I think... Need to read setup again.

shoulda jailed and killed him and be done with his ****

[FM Ackerman]

Hmm...

If someone is suiciding at night due to not completing a blackmail, at what point in the night are they no longer considered blackmailed?

I'd be very interested in the answer to this question.

[FM Kalou]

Grumble..grumble...grumble...

ONE of them is lying. Mason has been trolling so hard. Ackermann has faked contributions.

Stupid...not good players being stupid..

Carruthers suiciding means Ackermann CANNOT be blackmailed tonight, I think... Need to read setup again.

explanation: ackerman was drugged

[FM Mason]

If you dont believe me you can let me live and get someone else.
Ill block whoever you say tonight, and either the mafia or savages will kill me for you

[FM Donnelly]

Carruthers suiciding means Ackermann CANNOT be blackmailed tonight, I think... Need to read setup again.

I suspect the same thing. We'll know once Switzerland answers my question.

[FM Parker]

@Kalou, the DD cannot drug a blackmail that is not already submitted by a blackmailer on their team.

@Galleta, by the time we suspected Ackerman, we've been doing straight through lynching due to necessity.

[FM Parker]

I never said I was. I said I might have been blackmailed and also drugged to no feedback, which would mean I couldn't see the blackmail but someone else pointed out that I was wrong

The problem is that this very question has been asked numerous times and is in the setup. I have a hard time believing you believe that.

Also, why the [beep] would the mafia lie about your investigative pairing if their goal was to get us to lynch savages? That makes no sense.

[FM Mason]

The problem is that this very question has been asked numerous times and is in the setup. I have a hard time believing you believe that.

Also, why the [beep] would the mafia lie about your investigative pairing if their goal was to get us to lynch savages? That makes no sense.

I think you're just upset that I acted like harley quinn for a day.
Maybe the mafia were fishing for a reaction from me. I already said the day Dunn revealed my pairing that it was a lie.

[FM Galletta]

@Kalou, the DD cannot drug a blackmail that is not already submitted by a blackmailer on their team.

@Galleta, by the time we suspected Ackerman, we've been doing straight through lynching due to necessity.

i understand that, just sayin since you think hes jester. i personally think hes scum.

how bout you make a list of the 9 ppl you think are most scummy (not including ackerman), and tell them to vote to lynch him? then if he turns jester you dont lose someone you trust, and if someone refuses thats mighty scummy

[FM Kalou]

@Kalou, the DD cannot drug a blackmail that is not already submitted by a blackmailer on their team.

clarification please? if you could spare it.

[FM Parker]

The act doesn't make sense in the context of their gambit. They were offering a savage or a mason enforcer for us to kill. The fact that you're not a corpse says either a) you're a savage or b) the savages somehow knew the mafia was lying. With the savages having their investigator in the graveyard at the time your pairing was found, I highly doubt B.

So why would the mafia offer up an escort to fulfill the role of savage? Even then, why wouldn't the savages kill you because you're still a gigantic threat to them.


@Kalou, reread the Drug Dealer rolecard. A Drug Dealer can only submit a blackmail if the blackmailer on their team submitted the same blackmail.

[FM Kalou]

i understand that, just sayin since you think hes jester. i personally think hes scum.

how bout you make a list of the 9 ppl you think are most scummy (not including ackerman), and tell them to vote to lynch him? then if he turns jester you dont lose someone you trust, and if someone refuses thats mighty scummy

because thats gives a HUGE sign of who to kill/recruit(if savages are still recruiting). i'll be on ackermanns lynch though regardless if parker thinks im scum

[FM Ackerman]

@Parker, You do have a good point but, if mason is in fact an escort you have to consider that consider that the consigliere portion of the mafia team may not exist. It could have been 2 drug dealer from the beginning, if you consider the mckelty incident to be a drug, there are extra claims on day 1(BS item) ,3(Bus could be lie or drug), and 4(Extra bus outright?). Chapman was block n2, but not n5, so that leaves a drug missing for n5 only. I'm not certain this is the case, but I'm currently considering it.

[FM Mason]

clarification please? if you could spare it.

Means the drug dealer can't make up blackmails

But he can copy a blackmail task made by a blackmailer

[FM Donnelly]

I see the Game Master browsing this thread... Answer my question (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20732-Day-8/page2?p=331884#post331884)!!!

[FM Parker]

@Parker, You do have a good point but, if mason is in fact an escort you have to consider that consider that the consigliere portion of the mafia team may not exist. It could have been 2 drug dealer from the beginning, if you consider the mckelty incident to be a drug, there are extra claims on day 1(BS item) ,3(Bus could be lie or drug), and 4(Extra bus outright?). Chapman was block n2, but not n5, so that leaves a drug missing for n5 only. I'm not certain this is the case, but I'm currently considering it.

What caused you to shift from... anyone trying to convince us there are two drug dealers is certainly scum?

[FM Ackerman]

The act doesn't make sense in the context of their gambit. They were offering a savage or a mason enforcer for us to kill. The fact that you're not a corpse says either a) you're a savage or b) the savages somehow knew the mafia was lying. With the savages having their investigator in the graveyard at the time your pairing was found, I highly doubt B.

So why would the mafia offer up an escort to fulfill the role of savage? Even then, why wouldn't the savages kill you because you're still a gigantic threat to them.


@Kalou, reread the Drug Dealer rolecard. A Drug Dealer can only submit a blackmail if the blackmailer on their team submitted the same blackmail.

I'd like to point out the death note indicated they were killing a mason, it's possible the savage godfather was witched that night.

[FM Parker]

I'd like to point out the death note indicated they were killing a mason, it's possible the savage godfather was witched that night.


The savage godfather was not witched the night they killed Black. The note indicated they wanted to kill Black and a mason.

[FM Kalou]

The act doesn't make sense in the context of their gambit. They were offering a savage or a mason enforcer for us to kill. The fact that you're not a corpse says either a) you're a savage or b) the savages somehow knew the mafia was lying. With the savages having their investigator in the graveyard at the time your pairing was found, I highly doubt B.

So why would the mafia offer up an escort to fulfill the role of savage? Even then, why wouldn't the savages kill you because you're still a gigantic threat to them.


@Kalou, reread the Drug Dealer rolecard. A Drug Dealer can only submit a blackmail if the blackmailer on their team submitted the same blackmail.

thats a really [censored] limitation
critically thinking though mason, no one else was acting like harley quin or whoever you were rping. shouldnt that have been a good indicator that you werent bmed?

[FM Mason]

I'd like to point out the death note indicated they were killing a mason, it's possible the savage godfather was witched that night.

Ew stop buddying me! If you're savage I don't want any part of this.

But Parker, I'm the escort. You know deep down there was always a third role blocker and now I'm here to love you

[FM Ackerman]

What caused you to shift from... anyone trying to convince us there are two drug dealers is certainly scum?

The realization that the "Consigliere" put up only 1 piece of information that didn't come from the graveyard was masons pairing, and I currently don't believe mason to be a savage.

[FM Parker]

Sorry, I'm the mayor. I cannot be seen with sava... I mean escorts... sure.

The two targets for today are Lichtmann and Mason as things stand right now. I will have to go to bed soon.

[FM Ackerman]

Ew stop buddying me! If you're savage I don't want any part of this.

But Parker, I'm the escort. You know deep down there was always a third role blocker and now I'm here to love you

With my current train of thought it does in fact include another escort, whether that is you I have yet to determine.

[FM Mason]

thats a really [censored] limitation
critically thinking though mason, no one else was acting like harley quin or whoever you were rping. shouldnt that have been a good indicator that you werent bmed?

I failed the critical thinking portion of my ACT.

[FM Ackerman]

FM Lichtmann

[FM Kalou]

@parker, i do not see these as good lynch targets, so i'll vote the way you want me to. FoS remains on ackerman

[FM Parker]

@Kalou, what's wrong with them as lynch targets? People seem to be resisting but there are few intelligent reasons why. That makes me suspect that there is derailment going on.

[FM Mason]

I've been nothing but faithful to you mayor!

[FM Ackerman]

@Parker too bad we don't have an architect, I'd really like to speak with you privately.

[FM Mason]

Also I don't like being told who to role block mrs mayor

[FM Ryan]

So it was you who roleblocked me, Mason? I had a fun night, and "thanks" to you, we have lynched the consort. But I admit that the situation could have been reversed. In the end, it was Dunn which deception allowed you to stey hidden as Town PR. But what you will do now that you outed yourself? The scum is not going to ignore you anymore.

With things looking the way they are 2 town roles have died, and one more posibly converted by savages. I guess hunting for Mafia and Witch will be not ba a bad thing. If at least those guys lose the game, then I will be happy regardless of being town or savage.

[FM Parker]

@Mason, I know you might not like being directed but directing an escort is the fastest possible way to eliminate Mafia suspects. Well, supposing you're honest anyway.

@Ackerman, I understand that. LOL I'm kinda longing for sc2pm systems.

@Ryan, I think Mason's lying about being the escort. What do you think of Mason/Lichtmann/Galloway/Mendez and Ackerman?

[FM Galletta]

So it was you who roleblocked me, Mason? I had a fun night, and "thanks" to you, we have lynched the consort. But I admit that the situation could have been reversed. In the end, it was Dunn which deception allowed you to stey hidden as Town PR. But what you will do now that you outed yourself? The scum is not going to ignore you anymore.

With things looking the way they are 2 town roles have died, and one more posibly converted by savages. I guess hunting for Mafia and Witch will be not ba a bad thing. If at least those guys lose the game, then I will be happy regardless of being town or savage.

could you scream "IM A SAVAGE" any louder? i dont think china heard you

[FM Mason]

Ill probably die tonight. But I get to get one last roleblock in hopefully.
I chose to block you instead of Ackerman because if Ackerman was a gf then he would just transfer his kill to another mafia/savage member because the mayor explicitly said that Ackerman was going to be blocked.

[FM Parker]

@Mason... again, roleblocking Ackerman was never about the kill. It was about determining if Ackerman was the drug dealer or not. We keep putting the escort on Ackerman... we effectively neutralize a mafia role or force them to confirm Ackerman's innocence.

[FM Mason]

@Mason, I know you might not like being directed but directing an escort is the fastest possible way to eliminate Mafia suspects. Well, supposing you're honest anyway.

@Ackerman, I understand that. LOL I'm kinda longing for sc2pm systems.

@Ryan, I think Mason's lying about being the escort. What do you think of Mason/Lichtmann/Galloway/Mendez and Ackerman?

Well I did block Ackerman last night to appease you. But I would prefer 3+ targets so that the gf wouldn't simply transfer his kill to evade me

[FM Mason]

@Mason... again, roleblocking Ackerman was never about the kill. It was about determining if Ackerman was the drug dealer or not. We keep putting the escort on Ackerman... we effectively neutralize a mafia role or force them to confirm Ackerman's innocence.

Hmph. Fine. Do I have to block him again tonight?

[FM Kalou]

@Kalou, what's wrong with them as lynch targets? People seem to be resisting but there are few intelligent reasons why. That makes me suspect that there is derailment going on.

you wanna go for a supposed witch? savages and mafia are priority in my book.

its hard to fake escort. unless you REALLY think that escort is still out there?

[FM Ackerman]

I agree a role-block on me was a good idea, but making it a public request was not.

[FM Ackerman]

Hmph. Fine. Do I have to block him again tonight?

If you really are escort, I would love for you to prove it tonight.

[FM Donnelly]

So it was you who roleblocked me, Mason? I had a fun night, and "thanks" to you, we have lynched the consort. But I admit that the situation could have been reversed. In the end, it was Dunn which deception allowed you to stey hidden as Town PR. But what you will do now that you outed yourself? The scum is not going to ignore you anymore.

With things looking the way they are 2 town roles have died, and one more posibly converted by savages. I guess hunting for Mafia and Witch will be not ba a bad thing. If at least those guys lose the game, then I will be happy regardless of being town or savage.

My scumdar is picking up highsavage readings coming from this post. Note how Ryan seems to prioritize making the mafia and witch lose over making the savages lose/town win. It reads to me like a savage trying to prod town into lynching all other scum before getting around to the savages.

[FM Mason]

If you really are escort, I would love for you to prove it tonight.

By dying?

[FM Parker]

@Kalou, this escort is easy to fake. Claim you blocked Ackerman (who isn't admitting or denying) and post the list from the other days regarding who was roleblocked.

@Ackerman, The problem is... I have NO method of making a private request.

[FM Galletta]

@Mason... again, roleblocking Ackerman was never about the kill. It was about determining if Ackerman was the drug dealer or not. We keep putting the escort on Ackerman... we effectively neutralize a mafia role or force them to confirm Ackerman's innocence.

tell the person you suspect to use their night ability on the other person you suspect and expect the truth to come out. BRILLIANT!

...im going to lie down, i can tell this is going nowhere anytime soon.

[FM Ackerman]

By dying?

No, I'd rather lynch Chapman, although that's currently not an option. Lichtmann has been about as useful as you though and his claim definitely isn't as risky to lose, therefore I pick his death.

[FM Ryan]

@Ryan, I think Mason's lying about being the escort. What do you think of Mason/Lichtmann/Galloway/Mendez and Ackerman?

I never thought that Mason could be the second escort. He played fairly well, unfortunately roleblocking me was not a good choince from his side. That being said, the roleblock on me was real, and you said that too (while thinking that it was Phelps instead).

Lichtmann as a possible witch? That's something new. I aways thought that Lichtmann is scum (the way how he voted Leary), but him being the possible witch? Makes a complete sense to me. In fact, I now start to think that Green is really a delta instead of being a possible witch suspect. We only suspscted Green as witch because Dunn "said it so". Morale? Never believe Mafia in the first place.

Galloway, in my eys, is without a doubt a pro-town player. I can understand why would Witch target him on Night 7. But if he is delta or gamme, then he is at risk of being converted by Savages (if he has not been converted already). I assume that Enforcer still exists, but I have no idea about Savages's numbers - the town might still have an advantage if Enforcer played the game well. I don't think that Galloway is actually the Enforcer, though.

Mendez and Ackerman are a good suspects to me. Anyone of then could be that point member of Mafia or Savages and it's worth to try and lynch Ackerman again.

[FM Ackerman]

Mendez and Ackerman are a good suspects to me. Anyone of then could be that point member of Mafia or Savages and it's worth to try and lynch Ackerman again.

I'm okay with this as long I as I get to pick who I'm up against. Me vs Chapman, battle to the death?

[FM Parker]

Ackerman, why Chapman?

[FM Mason]

No, I'd rather lynch Chapman, although that's currently not an option. Lichtmann has been about as useful as you though and his claim definitely isn't as risky to lose, therefore I pick his death.

H-hey! I'm useful! I soft claimed escort in most of my day 5-6 posts

[FM Parker]

Mason, that would go a long way to making me believe your escort claim. Please grab those links of where you soft claimed.

[FM Kalou]

Mason, that would go a long way to making me believe your escort claim. Please grab those links of where you soft claimed.

slutty female figure. his profile picture. in hindsight its brilliant

[FM Ackerman]

Ackerman, why Chapman?

Still reading, but the more I look at the more I'm convinced.

[FM Mason]

Mason, that would go a long way to making me believe your escort claim. Please grab those links of where you soft claimed.

Well I'm on my phone right now. In general I remember asking you how the escort system would specifically work. I can grab them in the morning.

[FM Parker]

Still reading, but the more I look at the more I'm convinced.

Put up reasons. I might go Lichtmann vs. Chapman today if I have enough. Those two have been going at it since the start.

Lichtmann is going to be one of the pairing. I'm not sure if he's a witch but he's definitely scum of some sort. It would be bad not to pressure him at this point. If he is the witch, then I can pass soma freely, which is a huge benefit and opens private communication.

[FM Parker]

Well I'm on my phone right now. In general I remember asking you how the escort system would specifically work. I can grab them in the morning.

Fair enough. I'll need some time to read and analyze them anyway.

[FM Ackerman]

Put up reasons. I might go Lichtmann vs. Chapman today if I have enough. Those two have been going at it since the start.

Lichtmann is going to be one of the pairing. I'm not sure if he's a witch but he's definitely scum of some sort. It would be bad not to pressure him at this point. If he is the witch, then I can pass soma freely, which is a huge benefit and opens private communication.

Whole theory broke down, when I realized who blocked chapman, strike that thought.

[FM Ryan]

My scumdar is picking up highsavage readings coming from this post. Note how Ryan seems to prioritize making the mafia and witch lose over making the savages lose/town win. It reads to me like a savage trying to prod town into lynching all other scum before getting around to the savages.

I'm still me, Donnelly. Well, at least for today. But that fact that you are suspecting me as Savage leads me to believe that you are not one of then. Good call.

[FM Mason]

I want soma! ^\\\^

[FM Parker]

I want soma! ^\\\^

Ummmm there's a slight problem with your theory... people who are likely to die/scum are not good targets for soma.

[FM Mason]

Ummmm there's a slight problem with your theory... people who are likely to die/scum are not good targets for soma.

Why didn't you give it to me before all of this happened ;-;

[FM Ryan]

And Parker was already witched. It's not safe to pass soma anymore.

[FM Kalou]

I'm still me, Donnelly. Well, at least for today. But that fact that you are suspecting me as Savage leads me to believe that you are not one of then. Good call.

wifom or just dumb?

[FM Ackerman]

@Parker just realized, you received soma last night. You should not pass it for fear of another witching.

[FM Ackerman]

And Parker was already witched. It's not safe to pass soma anymore.

I agree :P you beat me to the punch.

[FM Donnelly]

Ummmm there's a slight problem with your theory... people who are likely to die/scum are not good targets for soma.

Also the witch might redirect it.

[FM Parker]

@Parker just realized, you received soma last night. You should not pass it for fear of another witching.

This is precisely why I did not jump to get rid of the mason's soma.

[FM Donnelly]

wifom or just dumb?

Inconclusive. I stand by my read of savage, however.

[FM Kalou]

Inconclusive. I stand by my read of savage, however.

i really have no idea why mayor thinks ryans so clean.

[FM Parker]

I don't think Ryan is so clean. I just think Lichtmann is confirmed scum and I have some doubt as to Ryan pulling a gambit.

[FM Green]

Hey guys, I'm back. I'll need to check up on the guys that I didn't catch on.

[FM Parker]

@Green, I'd appreciate your opinions on Lichtmann/Mason/Ackerman/Galloway/Mendez



Galloway,

You are the only one I can talk privately to. I sent you a note with five questions. Do not post it. I'm going to put together a code with a question. Use the same code to replay back, unless you intend no explanation. Q1 means question one. Letter 1 means the first letter. So Q1L1 means the first letter in the first question. Don't count spaces. So if the first question is "What is your name?" and I say, Q1 L7, the answer is Y.

Q2L14 - Q5L17 - Q4L9 - Q3L1 - Q1L17 - Q4L3 - Q4L14 - Q37 ?

Thanks.

[FM Mason]

Can I go to bed misses mayuh?

[FM Parker]

@Mason, go to bed. Have some sexy times.

@Galloway, that last one is Q3L7

[FM Ackerman]

I don't think Ryan is so clean. I just think Lichtmann is confirmed scum and I have some doubt as to Ryan pulling a gambit.

I had my suspicions, but no confirmation can you fill me in?

[FM Green]

Im gonna write stuff down on OneNote. I'll get back to you in like twenty minutes

[FM Parker]

I had my suspicions, but no confirmation can you fill me in?

No. Unfortunately, I cannot explain Ryan's gambit with any form of subtlety if I am right at all.

Green, take your time.


The Mayor's out. I must go. Lots of work to do.

[FM Ryan]

I would like to see Lichtmann lynched today. I believe that he is certain scum. Chances of him being the witch or one of the savages are failry high. I suspected him for quite a long time. If you want my proof that I'm not working with Savages, then here it is.

FM Lichtmann

[FM Kalou]

I would like to see Lichtmann lynched today. I believe that he is certain scum. Chances of him being the witch or one of the savages are failry high. I suspected him for quite a long time. If you want my proof that I'm not working with Savages, then here it is.

FM Lichtmann

but NOT a mafia right?
@mayor, i'll vote lichtmann after he posts.

[FM Kalou]

but NOT a mafia right?
@mayor, i'll vote lichtmann after he posts.

wait sorry, the 'not a mafia part' doesnt make sense. double crossings not allowed. memory lapse.

[FM Ryan]

Yeah, Lichtmann may be not a Mafia. But I believe that he is one of the Savages, and Parker believes that he is witch. I want to know which one of us is right in the end.

[FM Parker]

Not totally off. Given the rapid jump train rather than defending Lichtmann, I think he might be an important player not the witch. I'm guessing the witch. I wouldn't rule out something else however.

[FM Parker]

Ok I am seriously off to bed now. Good night. Good luck scum hunting. Keep the pressure up on people.

[FM Kalou]

Not totally off. Given the rapid jump train rather than defending Lichtmann, I think he might be an important player not the witch. I'm guessing the witch. I wouldn't rule out something else however.

he?

[FM Parker]

he?

he is the default for an unknown gender for the lazy who don't type s/he, plus if Lichtmann thinks he knows my com as a she... there aren't too many she's. So I've borrowed the com of one and speculated internally as to who Lichtmann is.

[FM Ryan]

I already told you that I suspected Lichtmann for a long time. Your statements about him being the possible witch only increased by suspicions. Do you have any better targets to lynch today? Ackerman, who was "roleblocked" by Mason last night? Or Mason herself? My gut tells me that Lichtmann is a good choice. Just remember that day when we voted Dunn and Leary. He simply "jumped" on Leary train (I'll pick out that post for you soon), and for what, you ask? Is it because he is the witch, as you said?

[FM Kalou]

he is the default for an unknown gender for the lazy who don't type s/he, plus if Lichtmann thinks he knows my com as a she... there aren't too many she's. So I've borrowed the com of one and speculated internally as to who Lichtmann is.

i meant i didnt know who your talking about. okay 'night Parker. srry

[FM Green]

FM Mason: I have come to think that FM Mason is scum. Unless he called a role in the previous days, he has lurked too much and talked a lot of irrelevent material over time.
FM Galloway: My thoughts about Galloway will remain the same. Seems straightup scummy to me. No role claim, keeps going off tangents and talks about others.
FM Ackerman: Might just be a troll Delta or Savage.
FM Mendez: Acts like town, and claimed [B]Delta. Is there a possibility on her being Savage?

[FM Galloway]

@Green, I'd appreciate your opinions on Lichtmann/Mason/Ackerman/Galloway/Mendez

I don't believe I got the questions you are referring to here.
Host Error?

[FM Galloway]

FM Mason: I have come to think that FM Mason is scum. Unless he called a role in the previous days, he has lurked too much and talked a lot of irrelevent material over time.
FM Galloway: My thoughts about Galloway will remain the same. Seems straightup scummy to me. No role claim, keeps going off tangents and talks about others.
FM Ackerman: Might just be a troll Delta or Savage.
FM Mendez: Acts like town, and claimed [B]Delta. Is there a possibility on her being Savage?
Pay more attention to the game. You read on me is [bleep]

[FM Green]

Pay more attention to the game. You read on me is [bleep]

No, my read is correct. All you did is call Delta, go off on tangents, and say [bleep] to every person you see.

[FM Kalou]

FM Mason: I have come to think that FM Mason is scum. Unless he called a role in the previous days, he has lurked too much and talked a lot of irrelevent material over time.
FM Galloway: My thoughts about Galloway will remain the same. Seems straightup scummy to me. No role claim, keeps going off tangents and talks about others.
FM Ackerman: Might just be a troll Delta or Savage.
FM Mendez: Acts like town, and claimed [B]Delta. Is there a possibility on her being Savage?

mason claimed the escort.

[FM Galloway]

No, my read is correct. All you did is call Delta, go off on tangents, and say [bleep] to every person you see.

Uh no. Once again you prove that you are utterly useless because you have blatantly refused to actually read what I say and instead act out of anger and try to make yourself look better by suggesting falsified "evidence" as justification for your reaction to my behavior style.

[FM Green]

FM Lichtmann - A bit suspicious and possible Soma Dealer

[FM Galloway]

No, my read is correct. All you did is call Delta, go off on tangents, and say [bleep] to every person you see.

PS: Never claimed Delta. Thanks for playing

[FM Green]

Uh no. Once again you prove that you are utterly useless because you have blatantly refused to actually read what I say and instead act out of anger and try to make yourself look better by suggesting falsified "evidence" as justification for your reaction to my behavior style.

You're the one that kept [bleep]ing other players. Please take note of what you do. If your behavior is like that in front of your mom, I'm sure she would've slapped you already.

[FM Green]

PS: Never claimed Delta. Thanks for playing

So you didn't call anything correct? Oh that's right. People had to guess what you were cause you refused to give your role.

[FM Galloway]

You're the one that kept [bleep]ing other players. Please take note of what you do. If your behavior is like that in front of your mom, I'm sure she would've slapped you already.

Lol. Instant direction in the way of a slight against me and my upbringing. This shows that the person behind this account is not thinking with a clear head. He/She is getting angry/frustrated with me and is bringing that into the game which is clouding their judgements.


So you didn't call anything correct? Oh that's right. People had to guess what you were cause you refused to give your role.

Who has had to guess exactly? I haven't been called upon to claim. Infact the Mayor hisself said not to yet, so there is that to be considered as well

[FM Parker]

@Galloway no part of the message had 1) Question blah blah blah?

@Green, I know enough for now on Galloway. I will pressure him in a bit possibly on that.

[FM Green]

Who has had to guess exactly? I haven't been called upon to claim. Infact the Mayor hisself said not to yet, so there is that to be considered as well

Some people had to "guess" you were a Hidden A/B/G/D cause you did not role claim. In fact, it's making it harder for the Town to decide whether or not your a Savage, Soma Dealer, or Town because you have no role claim. Might as well claim it now. It's been 8 days.

FM Galloway

[FM Galloway]

I didn't get a message at all.

[FM Parker]

I am talking the old soma message you got on Day 5.

[FM Galloway]

Some people had to "guess" you were a Hidden A/B/G/D cause you did not role claim. In fact, it's making it harder for the Town to decide whether or not your a Savage, Soma Dealer, or Town because you have no role claim. Might as well claim it now. It's been 8 days.

FM Galloway

No one had to guess that because it has been obvious thats what I am for ages, since mayor gave me soma and I used it. He outed me as having a night action that same day. I have not given town any reason to think I am anything other than a hidden town role. you, instead, have found a need to focus on me for my behavior which has been pretty similar all game, with a few changes. Seriously stop now and quit screwing up the direction we, the town, needs to go in to win. Unless you are a savage/mafia of course. Then by all means keep making an [bleep] outta yourself. As for the belligerent hogwash erupting from your mouth, im going to ignore it in favor of making this day chat useful instead of filled with the sounds of a jaded individual who cannot get past the reality that he was offended by my censored words and felt the need to spam hate messages disguised as scum hunting.

[FM Galloway]

I am talking the old soma message you got on Day 5.

OH well then I guessed right the first time. I need to go back and check my counting to ensure the I got the right message then.
Note: get more paper

[FM Green]

There you go again, cussing yourself off ^^

[FM Parker]

@Green, in other words Galloway is wifoming Delta to protect himself and you. I hope anyway.

[FM Parker]

Logging off. I will see your response tomorrow Galloway.

[FM Galloway]

I think you have a couple extra letters in that code of yours parker. I think I got the gists of what you are asking me so here is my answer

Q2L11 – Q1L3. | Q1L4 – Q5L3 – Q2L14. | Q1L1- Q2L22 – Q2L9 –Q1L16 – Q4L2 – Q4L9 – Q1L4 – Q3L3 – Q2L16 - Q2L16 - Q2L14 ->22. | Q1L5 – Q2L14 – Q5L6 – Q5L3 – Q3L4. | Q5L12 – Q3L9 – Q5L1 – Q3L7 – Q4L11 – Q4L14 – G5L24 – Q2L8 – Q4L7?

[FM Galloway]

Loggin as well. Laters butch

[FM Kalou]

anyone home?

[FM Rose]

Like i said yesterday. Ryan fits the savage godfather description. Fm Ryan Claiming your role without any kind of pressure or proof is bad. Clearly he was trying to avoid getting attention by claiming delta.

[FM Ryan]

Unfortunately for you, "Mafia Godfather", I do not fit in the description of the savage godfather that you are looking for. You can pick up a few facts that sets me apart from Savages.

First, I was roleblocked, probably by Mason or Phelps on Night 7. Because savages made a kill on Black, I'm clear on being one of the savages.
Second, the savages killed Black on the same night. You remember that I suspected Black to be Mafia, and never had any idea that he was actually clubber. Look at the savages's death note after Night 7. I still don't get how they found out that he is the clubber.

But you are surely talking bold now, Rose. Are you trying to protect Lichtmann from possible lynch? You do fit in the Godfather description from me. We'll find out what exactly are you after we lynch either Ackerman or Lichtmann.

But assuming you are really just a delta (which I doubt), then answer me those questions: What are your current reads on Ackerman, Lichtmann and Donnelly?

[FM Ryan]

If you have not noticed, my post is directed to Rose. It's because of that "next page".

[FM Leary]

Uh, there's been a lot of useless posts today, skimming through 11 pages when it could have been like 3, sigh.
Here are my thoughts for the day:
Yesterday i proposed to weaken 1 faction instead of keeping both in a balanced state. If we do that, said faction will be forced to aggressively hunt down the other faction at night. As far as i can see hopgood was a A1 target for being a possible savage, meaning mafia right now is more concerned about the savages than the town. In light of the mafia night kill, i propose we lynch our next mafia suspect: Galletta
I still don't think we have any conclusive evidence on who's a Savage yet, i assume they all sheep their way through the days...

On Mason: He seems RLLLYYY scummy. At this point he can just be another mafia using their drugdeal ability to claim who they drugged being blocked.

And: Why is there no Savage kill? Did they hit mafia GF? This might turn out invaluable. We might deduce who the Savages found to be the most likely mafia GF from last days chat, unless Mason turns out to be a genuine escort, which in turn would mean Ackerman is SGF.

TO sum it up: We should lynch Galletta or Ackerman today imo.

[FM Ryan]

The savages said in their death note that they will start recruiting again instead of killing once Mason Clubber is dead. So that means one of the previous delta claimers could be a savage now.

Galetta... at this point I'm positively sure that she is blackmailer. But it's genrally not your decision to pick our next suspect, it's Parker's decision. And I doubt that Parker would want us to lynch mafia again (unless he wants the remaining deltas to win with Savages)

[FM Rose]

Unfortunately for you, "Mafia Godfather", I do not fit in the description of the savage godfather that you are looking for. You can pick up a few facts that sets me apart from Savages.

First, I was roleblocked, probably by Mason or Phelps on Night 7. Because savages made a kill on Black, I'm clear on being one of the savages.


You were roleblocked when your savage was sent to do the kill.

It's silly to think that im the godfather when i started the train on bush and pushed for his lynch.

[FM Rose]

Also funny that ryan choose to call me mafia godfather instead of savage godfather.

[FM Ryan]

You are either Mafia Godfather who is trying to find Savage Leader, or just an ordinalry Delta. You cannot be the Savage Godfather because Savage GF needs deltas to be alive. Do I need to remind how you pushed Leary down to L-1 back at Day 6?

Also, I just noticed in the rules that ANY of the Savages can be sent for the faction kill, not only Savage GF. I always thought that only Savage Godfather can kill. Sorry about that.

[FM Rose]

Rose is, well, definitely not Mafia, because I say so. And yeah, I know what you mean now, makes sense. It wouldn't have changed anything about my actions on this day however.


hogeboom knew that im not a mafia somehow. I don't know how he knows it but i guess he found something when he swapped me with himself.

[FM Rose]

Maybe he was blackmailed and the mafia decided to kill him so he wouldn't be able to reveal that he was blackmailed.

[FM Kalou]

Uh, there's been a lot of useless posts today, skimming through 11 pages when it could have been like 3, sigh.
Here are my thoughts for the day:
Yesterday i proposed to weaken 1 faction instead of keeping both in a balanced state. If we do that, said faction will be forced to aggressively hunt down the other faction at night. As far as i can see hopgood was a A1 target for being a possible savage, meaning mafia right now is more concerned about the savages than the town. In light of the mafia night kill, i propose we lynch our next mafia suspect: Galletta
I still don't think we have any conclusive evidence on who's a Savage yet, i assume they all sheep their way through the days...

On Mason: He seems RLLLYYY scummy. At this point he can just be another mafia using their drugdeal ability to claim who they drugged being blocked.

And: Why is there no Savage kill? Did they hit mafia GF? This might turn out invaluable. We might deduce who the Savages found to be the most likely mafia GF from last days chat, unless Mason turns out to be a genuine escort, which in turn would mean Ackerman is SGF.

TO sum it up: We should lynch Galletta or Ackerman today imo.

Leary, please read today afain. Youve missed some things

[FM Kalou]

Lol not one of you three can critically read. Just because you claim delta, doesn't give you excuse to not pay attention to the game

sorry to sound condescending but I'm at a loss of words on how you got to those conclusions

[FM Rose]

I don't think ackerman is the savage godfather, it would be stupid of him to make a recruit or attempt a kill when he knew that he was going to be roleblocked. It's possible that ackerman is a normal savage but he is more likely to be mafia.

[FM Ryan]

That could be true, but what if the savages had no idea that we have a second escort? What if they thought that I was really roleblocked by Phelps? Ackerman is still under our suspicion. Don't throw him off our case.

[FM Earle]

Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Hidden Savage]
[Hidden Savage]
[Hidden Epsilon]
Mayor
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]


Yay! MFMs. I can start playing now!

[FM Ferengi]

If someone is suiciding at night due to not completing a blackmail, at what point in the night are they no longer considered blackmailed?

They are released from blackmail only upon their death.

[FM Earle]

FM Ackerman
FM Chapman
FM Donnelly
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Mendez
FM Parker
FM Rose
FM Ryan


List of players!

[FM Lichtmann]

FM Galloway

Sigh i come on and find this huge cluttered mess. Gallow is the witch himself. Hes pulling a gambit that I know he has tried before. If you look at the witch pattern it goes like this. Witch biggs twice, witch someone else and then vanish for a time. Suddenly witch appears again and witches Gallow, gallow says that it would be better if the witch continued to witch him (I guess hinting he's enforcer). However I know hes the witch now and parker is most likely drugged the feedback. What galloway did was take no action deliberately, 2 night ago when gallow was witched he took no action he then self claimed he was witch to not make him be slotted as the witch. I have seen this player try this trick before and he almost gotten away with it. Galloway is the witch himself for the witch would be smart enough that parker would ask about soma already. The mafia probably drugged you the witching because i have some nice feedback as well.

I was witched also.

Parker galloway is simply using you and manipulating you right now. The only reason gallow didn't die after all these days is because hes the witch. Think about it, every good player that got killed was an analyzer. Gallow is an analyzer, now ask yourself why has he not been killed? Its because the scums know hes the witch. Savages were able to find out black was clubber so they killed him, if he is the supposive enforcer, the savages would of killed him by now. PArker you are being blinded by galloway, everyone has claimed a role but gallow, he need to claim his.

[FM Lichtmann]

Ryan claims savage GF/savage.

[FM Rose]

My savage suspects are

FM Mendez
FM Galloway
FM Fontaine
FM Lichtmann
FM Ryan
FM Donnelly

[FM Lichtmann]

Also I deliberately said witch might be fake in there as a reaction test. When gallow claimed he was witched. It became apparent he was self-claiming his role to both mafia and savages, what role would be ok with being witched? None of them thats what, the fact that gallow said "Oh its ok that witch controls me" screams scum.

[FM Rose]

Also I deliberately said witch might be fake in there as a reaction test. When gallow claimed he was witched. It became apparent he was self-claiming his role to both mafia and savages, what role would be ok with being witched? None of them thats what, the fact that gallow said "Oh its ok that witch controls me" screams scum.

He might be the witch but the witch is not a priority lynch.

[FM Ryan]

If Galloway is the witch, how lynching him will help the town? We need to find Savage GF or at the very least lynch a Mafia. You only just added yourself more scum points by trying to discredit Galloway.

Hmm... Miss Parker, what you do think? You trusted Galloway for a long time, and now Lichtmann, who was suspected by you as the witch, now claims himself to be witched and that Galloway could be the real witch. How you can believe that make-up story?

[FM Lichtmann]

He might be the witch but the witch is not a priority lynch.

Witch is a huge priority. Witch will side with us until it knows it can be a blocker vote. Witch almost counts as a double scum in a way. Gallow will just vote with us until one of the scum factions has the power. Plus the scums will never hit him and only use him late game.

@Ryan I'm 99.9% sure hes witch, everyone else has claimed roles. Galloway has not, the only thing he can really claim right now is delta or enforcer.

I find it funny you are trying to discredit me now and are buddying with the mayor. This is a key point for town. The witch (gallow) is smart enough that he would know that parker would ask a soma related question like that. Parker is no fool for sure but the witch is also no fool.

[FM Earle]

Can I claim witched as well?

I am witch.

[FM Mason]

Earle don't witch me. Please. I don't want to have sex with someone random.

[FM Lichtmann]

Can I claim witched as well?

I am witch.

You can claim it but we know your just trolling.

[FM Earle]

Earle don't witch me. Please. I don't want to have sex with someone random.

You lied. You are not faithful to Parker. You have sex with people other than Parker. Face justice!

FM Mason

[FM Lichtmann]

If Galloway is the witch, how lynching him will help the town? We need to find Savage GF or at the very least lynch a Mafia. You only just added yourself more scum points by trying to discredit Galloway.

Hmm... Miss Parker, what you do think? You trusted Galloway for a long time, and now Lichtmann, who was suspected by you as the witch, now claims himself to be witched and that Galloway could be the real witch. How you can believe that make-up story?

ALso ryan getting rid of the witch will allow the escort to act freely. Now that escort is outed the witch will simply just witch around the escort. This is why the witch needs to go.

[FM Ryan]

I thought that lynching the witch woul allow Mason to act freely, but what is the point if scum can simply kill Mason on the next day?

I don't get why you savages have something against the witch. You are simply trying to divert attention from yourself, aren't you? Lyncing the witch will not drop the KPN of Mafia/Savages unless Mason somehow roleblocks GF, but even then Mason will be found dead afterwards.

And... my vote stays on you, Lichtmann! Because I still suspect you as one of the savages.

[FM Ryan]

Oh yeah, if you haven't noticed, a Blackmailer is still out there. And Blackmailer can force people to say false feedback. Maybe those new feedbacks weren't the work of a Drug Dealer, but rather Blackmailer's work instead.

[FM Lichtmann]

I thought that lynching the witch woul allow Mason to act freely, but what is the point if scum can simply kill Mason on the next day?

I don't get why you savages have something against the witch. You are simply trying to divert attention from yourself, aren't you? Lyncing the witch will not drop the KPN of Mafia/Savages unless Mason somehow roleblocks GF, but even then Mason will be found dead afterwards.

And... my vote stays on you, Lichtmann! Because I still suspect you as one of the savages.

Because if witch is alive, witch controls escort to whoever, the mafia and savages can then act freely to kill whoever they want. Lynching witch will force them to kill the escort. Also like i said witch is double player scum. He doesn't have to buddy with anyone. He doesn't care, but the moment one of them gets the majority it will be over. Thats why we need witch now. You are also a scum now, maf or savage for sure.

@new post
They are released from blackmail only upon their death. number 215

if i was blackmailed I would wait till the second day to do it. Also i have ways of showing if i were to be blackmailed right now if it were to be a feedback of some sort I would make it apparent it was blackmailed for me to say. Theres more then one way to skin a cat and also more then one way to show your blackmailed.

[FM Parker]

Actually, I know Galloway is a delta. He's claimed to me for awhile. I just wasn't outing him to protect him. Now that he's partially back on my scum radar, I feel fine with saying that. I've been protecting him by keeping that under wraps. I apologize for the "confusion" but I would have put Galloway not claiming under the reasons why I suspected him if I had no clue who he was.

As for you Licthmann, you try to hide it but you are an analyzer... so is Mendez. The mafia were NOT killing the analyzers but rather the TPR. Why are you telling me things I know to be untrue?

Also, if you are genuine in your claim of witched, then one of us is drug dealt. Never have their been two witched claims in a day before.

Furthermore, your claim on Galloway is ridiculous. If he was the witch, he would have held the soma until he found a scum and then passed it to that scum. I'm not seeing any actions that indicate Galloway passed the soma to scum.

Also, you did a 180 degree turn on their being a witch solely because of your witched claim. How would you know it was accurate. Wouldn't you have claimed drug?


@Ryan, blackmail false feedback is unlikely given the victim has two days to complete it. False feedback is not as effective. Furthermore, the fewer TPR the town has, the more effective this will be.


@Galloway,

The middle portion got garbled but I understood the end.


Q4L10 - Q215 - Q4L12 - Q4L13 - Q4L14 ,

Q2L4 - Q1L12 - Q2L5 - Q2L8 - Q2L1 - Q2L1

Q1L6 – Q1L3 – Q4L4

Q5L24 – Q4L8 – Q2L7

Q2L14 - Q1L3 - Q3L6 - Q3L9.

[FM Parker]

*Blackmail is less effective with fewer TPRs.

[FM Lichtmann]

*Blackmail is less effective with fewer TPRs.

Because an analyzer can be much better then a tpr. Also gallow seems to know more then he thinks. I know who galloway is and hes only using you. If he was truly delta I figured the witch would've known that by now. The witch is a smart one and knows more then you do. The mafia will soon just target the most active players after the last 2 town power roles die. You claim there is an enforcer still in play as well.

Parker what tprs do you think are left?

[FM Parker]

Lichtmann, now you are role fishing. There aren't that many. Obviously, I believe the enforcer is left. You are merely stating who you would kill. I know the analyzers are likely to go after the TPR but the problem is both scum sides have an analyzer.

I'm concluding this based on two things: 1) The depth of the savage death note and the multitude of colors designed to stop us from reading it 2) The mafia throwing gambit after gambit at us. Face it, some of the analyzers are scum. Your behavior has been the scummiest.

[FM Lichtmann]

Lichtmann, now you are role fishing. There aren't that many. Obviously, I believe the enforcer is left. You are merely stating who you would kill. I know the analyzers are likely to go after the TPR but the problem is both scum sides have an analyzer.

I'm concluding this based on two things: 1) The depth of the savage death note and the multitude of colors designed to stop us from reading it 2) The mafia throwing gambit after gambit at us. Face it, some of the analyzers are scum. Your behavior has been the scummiest.

Well I think you are mistaken, The reason I'm role fishing is because i am trying to find out who is going to take the enforcer role. You said you received a note from an enforcer.

Parker let me ask then, based off what we got so far who are you going to lynch?

[FM Parker]

The enforcer claimed to me at about midday yesterday via code in their post.

I'm not certain as to the final pairing, but you are likely on it. The other person, I'm not sure of. Maybe Ackerman.

[FM Earle]

I would like to reiterate that I'm not a TPR.

[FM Earle]

More posts once I reach home in 1 hour.

[FM Parker]

@Lichtmann, are you claiming I was drug dealt twice and that there is no enforcer?

[FM Kelso]

Done reading.
Nothing happened to me.

And to make thing's clear (about the read on the interview), my vote wasn't on any of them because they were already at L-3 / L-4.

At work right now.
I'll just read for now but if you have question, I'll try to answer them.

[FM Lichtmann]

The enforcer claimed to me at about midday yesterday via code in their post.

I'm not certain as to the final pairing, but you are likely on it. The other person, I'm not sure of. Maybe Ackerman.

Have you considered ackerman being jester? You said yesterday he could be jester. From host meta it wont surprise me if he is indeed jester. Just about every big fm has a jester of some sort. If you want to go after ackerman and cost us the game feel free. But ryan for sure is much more scummy right now.

You think the witch would actually witch you though? The witch has more then enough time to figure out that you would most likely ask something like that.

Also lets say gallow is the witch, what would you do if you found that out after the game? I know he is and he should be stopped.

Well if you got 2 notes then I am open to the idea of enforcer, its more on who the enforcer is. I doubt you were double drugged unless you passed the dder the soma to allow a forgery of 2 letters. I won't throw out the idea of an enforcer existing. But its really comes down to who the enforcer is.

[FM Parker]

I have considered it. Why do you think I'm not jumping the gun to lynch him? I figure I have about 12 hours to make the final decision as to who the pairings are.

The witch may have asked. Yet, it would make sense for me to pass the soma the enforcer gave me. By camping on me, the witch can ensure that only mafia/savages get soma. That's pretty powerful and is almost a permanent roleblock on me.

If Galloway was the witch, I would compliment him on an excellently played game. He's planned the moves several days in advance.

[FM Parker]

Lichtmann, why didn't you reveal your blackmail theory during the day? That makes no sense.

[FM Lichtmann]

I have considered it. Why do you think I'm not jumping the gun to lynch him? I figure I have about 12 hours to make the final decision as to who the pairings are.

The witch may have asked. Yet, it would make sense for me to pass the soma the enforcer gave me. By camping on me, the witch can ensure that only mafia/savages get soma. That's pretty powerful and is almost a permanent roleblock on me.

If Galloway was the witch, I would compliment him on an excellently played game. He's planned the moves several days in advance.

And what about Leary? He continues to only try to discredit me right now. If ackerman was truly role blocked and hes jester he will not say.

Also I have claimed to been witched if you haven't noticed. So only one of us has been drugged. Who you consider got the drugged feedback and why?

Again gallow is trying a trick he onced used in another game. After this game I will show you what it was. It was a nice trick as well and almost got him his win. The trick is to false claim feedback to not make them look like a scum.

Also an analyzer can be much more dangerous then a TPR late game. TPRs may have less people to check but if they check the person that dies, its all for naught. An analyzer on the other hand is one of the most powerful late game players. Have you considered that?

@theory

I didn't want to reveal it because I didn't want the savages using it. The savage gf would have most likely been using his recruits "as (role X)" if one of them gets blackmailed and they say it to simply become savage it would only benefit them because then they can say "oh I'm delta ignore me"

[FM Rose]

Rose is, well, definitely not Mafia, because I say so. And yeah, I know what you mean now, makes sense. It wouldn't have changed anything about my actions on this day however.

What do you think about this post, Parker?

Could hogeboom have been blackmailed after swapping himself with me?

[FM Parker]

Kelso, you must lynch pressure two people. Who are they and why?

Rose, What day is that post on? I don't have the time to look for it?

Lichtmann, saw your post. Gotta go for an hour or so. Will respond later.

[FM Rose]

Kelso, you must lynch pressure two people. Who are they and why?

Rose, What day is that post on? I don't have the time to look for it?

Lichtmann, saw your post. Gotta go for an hour or so. Will respond later.

Day 5, the day befeore he was killed by the mafia.

[FM Parker]

Day 5, the day befeore he was killed by the mafia.

Day 5 is a long day. Copy the link to the post please. Post links are in the upper right hand corner of the post.

[FM Rose]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326366&viewfull=1#post326366