Night 8

[Forum Mafia GM]

GO!

[FM Artaxerxes]

Lol we are getting hosed.

On a good note. 19 players as I write this. At least 18 by the end of the night. 3 mafia. 3 savage. 1 witch and 1 neut. 8 scum votes vs 14 max town votes.

We distanced ourselves off of Phelps very well. I suspect the next few days will be mislynches. Unfortunately Phelps removed the possibility of escort and gave Phelps an easy choice today. Sorry bro, no player choice for that move.

[FM Attila]

Crunch time. I think its time for us to start brainstorming role claims.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Also some reads

Kalou - Escort 100%.
Reasons - somehow town overlooked him claiming not Delta and allowed him to claim Delta.
Link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326641#post326641)
Soft claimed today with "permission to block Earle"
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=329988#post329988]Link
I suspect Galloway already noted this. Savages may also know this and target him.

Also, I already asked and our blackmailer will not be able to act until Carruthers commits suicide. He did not complete the blackmail so we have to wait 3 nights. Masterfully trolled.

Plans for tonight - Make sure FM's make Carruthers suicide, not wasting our blackmailer for them to change their mind and leave him alive.
Discuss soma strategies
Discuss Witch plan
Discuss Drug deal
Discuss role claims
Discuss Night kill + who goes (me or donnelly)

My sleep deprived self wants to
-Kill Kalou
-Drug no feedback on Ackerman. If Ackerman gets roleblocked, he wont reveal it and look scummy.

Going to bed. Ill think of stuff after sleep/work/gym

[FM Artaxerxes]

Also some reads

Kalou - Escort 100%.
Reasons - somehow town overlooked him claiming not Delta and allowed him to claim Delta.
Link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=329988#post329988)
Soft claimed today with "permission to block Earle"
Link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=329988#post329988)
I suspect Galloway already noted this. Savages may also know this and target him.

Also, I already asked and our blackmailer will not be able to act until Carruthers commits suicide. He did not complete the blackmail so we have to wait 3 nights. Masterfully trolled.

Plans for tonight - Make sure FM's make Carruthers suicide, not wasting our blackmailer for them to change their mind and leave him alive.
Discuss soma strategies
Discuss Witch plan
Discuss Drug deal
Discuss role claims
Discuss Night kill + who goes (me or donnelly)

My sleep deprived self wants to
-Kill Kalou
-Drug no feedback on Ackerman. If Ackerman gets roleblocked, he wont reveal it and look scummy.

Going to bed. Ill think of stuff after sleep/work/gym
Fixed Url. sleeping foreal

[FM Leonardo]

Damn. What a terrible night/day. My plan... My wonderfully brilliant plan... I even allowed us contigencies for things to go wrong. I had the feedback block as our first drug, so that the witch would redirect that one if she targeted galloway, so at least the mayor would have to sift through 2 somas. In retrospect, maybe it would have been better for him to get neither soma message, but then someone else would've gotten it. Though I guess that could've been used to prove galloway as a mason. Not quite what I was going for, but not a bad substitute. I didn't think the witch AND the savages would fuck up the plan at the same time... Oh well. Que sera sera, I suppose.

Moving forward, I think it would be helpful for us to draft a roles list. Which I will do now.

Godfather - Mendez
Drug Dealer - Galloway
Blackmailer - Donnelly
Drug Dealer - Buchwalter
Kidnapper - Dunn
Consort - Phelps
Savage Godfather - ???
Arsonist - Cohen
Corrupt Journalist - Beckett
[Hidden Epsilon] - ???

Mason Clubber - Black
Mason Enforcer - ???
Architect - Gage
Bus Driver - Hogeboom
Detective - Bishop
Investigator - Cafarelli

Escort - Monroe
Mayor - Parker
Jailor - Hopgood
Coronoer -> Citizen - Carruthers
Escort - ???
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta - McKelty
Delta - Colmyer
Delta - Biggs
Delta - Bekowsky
Delta - Ballard
Delta - Morgan
Delta - ???
Delta - ???
Delta - ???
Delta - ???
Witch - ???

Things to note: Ballard & Carruthers (and Morgan, to some degree) are all based on Carruthers' coroner claim. If he dies a delta, then his and Ballard's spots will be 100% confirmed, and Morgan's will be... Still pure speculation. If he dies a savage, then he's a lying bastard and a savage coroner, but we don't know what his original role was. If he doesn't die at all, he's either the witch or the savage godfather and we should try to push a lynch on him. But we have to be careful about it because we can't reveal he failed the blackmail since town thinks he passed it, and our knowledge might give us away as mafia.

In any case, since my enforcer claim is ruined, our role claims must come out of the 8 remaining unclaimed town roles, 4 of which are deltas. The challenge is that there are going to be 8 (actual town) + 3 (us) + 4 (# of savages, I assume) + witch = 16 (out of 19) people claiming those slots. If everything goes according to plan tonight, that will mean -2 town, so it will be 14 people trying to claim between 6 and 8 town roles (depending on whether or not claimed people are killed tonight).

We'd better figure out what we're going to claim ahead of time. With the investigative town roles gone, claiming citizen becomes a pretty safe claim, but Galloway has kind of built up a PR claim (doctor, I believe) so he should stick to that. Of course, the savages could very well detect our lies and night kill us, so that's also a problem for us...

I intend to guess what roles are left and who is what later, but I'm tired. Just wanted to get this out there before I go.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Enforcer claim is no good for you anymore Leo.

Savages may think that you or I are the enforcer Galloway. That's why I tried hinting that the mason was hiding amongst the delta claimers.

Galloway your best role guesses IMO are a protective role with no feedback. Doctor, bodyguard?

I can pull off claiming mason enforcer actually or any role. I think mason enforcer claim could be beneficial. Mayor would think I'm delta trying to protect the enforcer. If shit get hairy I can just claim I lied to protect the real enforcer

[FM Artaxerxes]

Not sure what you can claim Leo....

[FM Artaxerxes]

Town currently thinks we have a dd, a consig, blackmailer and a gf. Out death note should be used to either communicate with savages and Mafia and the witch.

On my phone, so I will type it out when I get home.

[FM Artaxerxes]

My list of the town roles are at my house as well and I will post it. Then we can discuss it. Parker has become suspicious of just about everyone.

Galloway there is a lot if suspicion on you right now, for bad reasons. I think you are safe because of the soma play but some of the replacements are suspicious of you.

Since out blackmailer is blocked for the third night....we should consider sending a fake blackmail tonight and a real afterwards that contradicts it. Since the fm says that that is allowed.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think that Carruthers is truly the town coroner. He revealed without any pressure to give information and then later claimed blackmailed from us.

Not a savage play. Savages would hide their coroner because he is required to find information from the last will of their team. Not that they would need to use last wills because they can just say anything to their team in night chat. I highly doubt the SGF would convert someone to a coroner.

If I was SGF i'd first convert
Invest - Find pairings, good for finding converts/eliminating
Lookout - Should be obvious, all players found = not delta
Detective/Sheriff last. Detective would be better at following a possible TPR and determining their role, while the Sheriff is good for finding the Mafia/Witch. Only useful later in the game.

So if the SGF is at least halfway competent, he wouldn't have made carruthers a coroner or earle the journalist. My guess at the current roles =


Godfather - Mendez
[Soma Dealer] - Galloway
[Soma Dealer] - Donnelly
Savage Godfather - Rose
Savage - Leary
Savage - Fontaine
[Hidden Epsilon] -
[Hidden Alpha] - Parker
[Hidden A/B/G/D] ALPHA Enforcer -
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Carruthers = Coroner
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Earle = Journalist
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Kalou = Escort
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Hopgood = Jailor
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Lichtmann = Unconfirmed TPR *Possibly the Enforcer
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Ackerman = Delta
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Galletta = Delta
Delta - Chapman
Delta - Mason
Delta - Ryan
Delta - Kelso
[Random Any] - Green = Witch

As you can see, this doesnt match up. But I think I am correct on all the confirmed Deltas. I am unsure on

Ackerman
Galletta
Green
Fontaine

Everything else I am pretty sure on. I think our best kill for tonight would be Kalou.

[FM Leonardo]

I like the idea of sending a fake blackmail tonight. The town will be wondering where my blackmails have gone and they might mistakenly think that their absence is due to a success by the escort (which would incriminate Galloway). By the way Mendez, I thought you were going to claim roleblocked yesterday. If you did and I missed it, let me know. But I think that would basically clear you of being gf, which would help.

For my claim, I might just go with delta. Kind of boring, but I can explain my hints at enforcer as trying to take a hit from the savages/protect the real enforcer and say the drugged soma was an attempt to frame me. But I'd rather not use that claim except as a last resort.

As to who we should kill tonight, it should definitely be a claimed role so we don't kill all the slots we can claim. Also, as useful as he is to us, we do need to kill Parker soon. I think we should kill the jailor first, though, so as to prevent him from jailing again (I predict that when mayor dies there will be more frequent no-lynches).

Anyway, I have to go for now. I'll be back later.

[FM Leonardo]

I'm back. Trying to go through Black's posts to see if I can find anything that hints at the identity of the enforcer. Not that we should kill him- the savages can do that. But it will be useful to know, I think. In fact, we could even tell them who we think it is with a death note, which could have amusing/beneficial results.

[FM Leonardo]

Oh yeah, just to be sure. Is Carruthers going to suicide tonight as a punishment for not completing his blackmail?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Oh yeah, just to be sure. Is Carruthers going to suicide tonight as a punishment for not completing his blackmail?

This is important. We can't decide a blackmail or a fake drug blackmail until this is confirmed.

[FM Ferengi]

Oh yeah, just to be sure. Is Carruthers going to suicide tonight as a punishment for not completing his blackmail?

If he did not complete his blackmail, then he will suicide.

[FM Leonardo]

If he did not complete his blackmail, then he will suicide.

This does not answer my question at all. I asked you a specific question about a specific situation and you gave me a line from the setup as an answer. It'd be one thing if my question involved information that we're not privy to, but you already told us last night that Carruthers had not yet completed his blackmail, which established that we are entitled to that information. So I don't know what the point of this is. But since you apparently want me to ask a second question, I'll humor you.

Did Carruthers complete the blackmail I sent him?

[FM Ferengi]

Did Carruthers complete the blackmail I sent him?

Since the official policy is to not tell blackmailed players if they have completed their blackmail or not, I think we shouldn't tell mafia whether players have completed blackmail or not. I apologize for previously telling you more information than you should have received. You are not entitled to this information.

[FM Attila]

I was not witched last night. Key thing.

Also I am gonna claim Doc when I need to which is not yet.

[FM Attila]

I really don't agree with that ruling also. It is essential for us to know this information to be able to make ample use of the blackmailor.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Finalized bolded red actions in one post 50 minutes from now please.

What. Day 8 doesnt start for another day....june 6th 2013 12:00 am gmt-4

[FM Leonardo]

Finalized bolded red actions in one post 50 minutes from now please.

lolwut

[FM Artaxerxes]

I really don't agree with that ruling also. It is essential for us to know this information to be able to make ample use of the blackmailor.

I guess we just attempt to blackmail each night. And in two days from that action we will know if they were blackmailed

[FM Leonardo]

I was not witched last night. Key thing.

Also I am gonna claim Doc when I need to which is not yet.

Wait, what? How is that possible? If you weren't witched, how did Parker get two soma messages?

[FM Ferengi]

I really don't agree with that ruling also. It is essential for us to know this information to be able to make ample use of the blackmailor.

You guys can read the daychat and determine for yourselves if the blackmailed target will suicide or not.


Finalized bolded red actions in one post 50 minutes from now please.

FM Game Master has overdosed on laced soma. :O

[FM Artaxerxes]

lolwut

If he's serious...I dont even know when that was posted, lol.

@Attilla if you were lying about the Witch. Do you think it's possible that their is no witch? Lol. i.e. one of the drug dealers was being an asspie and sending their night action through pm. I didn't see another witch claim.

Kill hopgood
Drug witched feedback on Lichtmann?
blackmailer - incase they change their mind and Carruthers did complete the blackmail....we need to think of something. If he didn't then the blackmail is useless until the suicide.

@Switzerland, we assumed he did the blackmail and were told last night that it wasn't completed.

If they are still going by that, then we don't need to send a blackmail and could send Donnelly to kill again. If you guys changed your mind, it's bad form not to tell us and have us waste two nights with our blackmailer.

[FM Leonardo]

I guess we just attempt to blackmail each night. And in two days from that action we will know if they were blackmailed

I know this is the best plan, so what I'm about to say is not directed at you, but... That is the worst thing I've ever heard. Now we have to guess as to whether or not I can use my role. And it's not even a regular role. My action requires intense planning and analyzing every single possibility in order to close every loophole...

It's not a big deal at the moment since she told us that he didn't complete it last night, and he obviously didn't complete it today. So he's definitely going to suicide tonight (and if he doesn't, we know he's witch/savage gf, though I think that's unlikely).

But going forward this is going to be a pain the ass. I also really hate the inconsistency... We definitely had access to this information when Colmyer was blackmailed.

Have I mentioned that I hate this iteration of the blackmailer?

Do blackmails the blackmailer sends while alive persist after the blackmailer dies?

[FM Ferengi]

Now we have to guess as to whether or not I can use my role.

It's not based on guesswork at all. Everything is very systematically determined based on what was posted or wasn't posted in daychat.



Do blackmails the blackmailer sends while alive persist after the blackmailer dies?

Sorry, misread the question. Yes. They persist.

[FM Attila]

Yes I do think that there is not a witch. I just lied to keep the guesstimation going and confuse others, which lead to the clusteredness of the day chat.

What do you guys think we should do in terms of kill targets?
I agree with witched on Litchmann.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Never mind the actions

I'm tired

[FM Leonardo]

Yes I do think that there is not a witch. I just lied to keep the guesstimation going and confuse others, which lead to the clusteredness of the day chat.

What do you guys think we should do in terms of kill targets?
I agree with witched on Litchmann.

But that doesn't make any sense. How could mayor have seen both soma messages if you were not witched? You blocked his feedback. This is impossible.

Can witch cause self targets?

[FM Leonardo]

But that doesn't make any sense. How could mayor have seen both soma messages if you were not witched? You blocked his feedback. This is impossible.

Can witch cause self targets?

The only way I see this working is if witch made you self target, which prevented you from seeing the witched feedback. Otherwise it's impossible or host error.

[FM Ferengi]

Can witch cause self targets?

See FAQ #10.

[FM Attila]

Or I used the soma previously and it didn't take this time around.

Is this correct?

[FM Ferengi]

Or I used the soma previously and it didn't take this time around.

Is this correct?

I can neither confirm nor deny this. I urge you to look at the previous chats for the accepted night action lists and draw your own conclusions. No errors were made in processing night feedback.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Attila when did you receive the Soma. It might have expired.

[FM Leonardo]

Or I used the soma previously and it didn't take this time around.

Is this correct?

That can't be it. Your first action listed was the block feedback drug. If only one drug had gone through, it would be the first one.

[FM Leonardo]

See FAQ #10.

A simple "no", would have sufficed.

[FM Leonardo]

Attila when did you receive the Soma. It might have expired.

This is possible. But then I think the first action listed (the feedback block) would have gone through instead of the soma message.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Or I used the soma previously and it didn't take this time around.

Is this correct?
I don't see this possibility. You received it n5, created n4?. We used it n7.

So it didn't expire and the witch is fake. I just read through n6 and you didn't say you were using the soma in the finalized night actions OR in any of your own posts. Unless you pmed the mod to use Soma it should have worked.

[FM Leonardo]

I don't see this possibility. You received it n5, created n4?. We used it n7.

So it didn't expire and the witch is fake. I just read through n6 and you didn't say you were using the soma in the finalized night actions OR in any of your own posts. Unless you pmed the mod to use Soma it should have worked.

Unless it was created n2. But then I still think the first action would be taken. Not the second. But I'll ask, I guess.

If a person attempts to use soma and fails, which of their submitted actions will they attempt to complete?

[FM Ferengi]

If a person attempts to use soma and fails, which of their submitted actions will they attempt to complete?

The first action.

[FM Leonardo]

By the way, false claiming witched was a rather foolish thing to do on your part, Galloway. If one of the savages was witched last night, they will immediately know you are mafia. Whether or not they would kill you immediately is uncertain, but I think it's safe to say if Galloway is killed by savages, one of them was witched last night. But I still don't see how anyone but Galloway could've been witched, given the feedback the mayor received.

Especially now that we know this:

The first action.

The only other possibility is that the mayor lied about getting a second soma, and only knew ours was fake because of the clubber's death. Our mayor doesn't strike me as the type of player to lie like this, but since the hosts confirmed that there were no errors in the processing of night actions, I don't see any other way this could've happened.

[FM Leonardo]

The good news about the witched claim, though, is that the witch knows you're mafia. The bad news is that if she witches you hoping to find the godfather, you're basically roleblocked for the night since we have no idea where she'll send you.

It also kind of confirms her real target as savage since any half-decent town would have claimed with you.

[FM Attila]

I knew the risks when I claimed witched but things were clicking to fast for town and we needed the mayhem.

[FM Attila]

I'm hoping that with the lynches that Parker and the others review the days past and see me claiming Phelps and Dunn as scummy and stop trying to FoS me over almost nothing.

[FM Leonardo]

I also fear that the savages know I'm mafia. At the very least, I'm sure they've investigated me by now and, depending on what investigation power they have left know that either:
1- I'm a PR (invest/lookout/detective/sheriff could all confirm this about me. sheriff only because I'm mafia and mafia = PR.)
2- I'm mafia (via sheriff. Or lookout/detective if they saw me visit someone when they were bmed)

[FM Leonardo]

I'm hoping that with the lynches that Parker and the others review the days past and see me claiming Phelps and Dunn as scummy and stop trying to FoS me over almost nothing.

lol yeah, that's why I had to vote phelps yesterday. I didn't want them to notice that I managed to avoid voting Cohen, Buchwalter, and Dunn. haha

Dunn was kind of a fluke, though. I'd have voted him if the mayor didn't keep wanting 2 people to be within hammering range so that he could choose one.

[FM Leonardo]

Oh, I just realized I haven't submitted any suggestions for actions tonight. I say we kill Hopgood before there's a no-lynch. No clue about the drug. Maybe a witching since you seem to want to use witched claims to confuse town?

[FM Attila]

I can go with that.

[FM Leonardo]

Prediction time!

I think if we can get all of the savages lynched we can beat the town fairly easily. None of us are under any suspicion, so we would just kill all the power roles, all claim citizen, and lead the survivors to mislynch until we can wipe them out. If the savages are really trying to hide behind stupidity/non-contributing, I think this will start to backfire on them soon. Hopefully they'll get caught. It seems that this is the way the game will go from now on. At day, both sides try to get the town to help them lynch the other faction. At night, we both kill town. I really do think whichever of us outlives the other will end up winning this game, though. We definitely have a good chance, at least. In any case, I'm going to see what I can figure out about the savages.

I don't have much info on them, unfortunately. I guess that's the weakness of being the confusion-spreading group that is up against the information-getting group. The good news is that they left us a very large death note to sort though. I'm going to pick the hell out of it and try to glean as much from it as I can.

For one thing, we know we're dealing with at least one smart player. The death note was well-written. So our first savage suspects should be the people we believe to be the smartest players. Unfortunately, this didn't help me much, since I think that based on the day chat, we are the smartest players alive right now. Which means that the savages are concealing their intelligence during the day. Similar to how I suggested that I might act stupid at the beginning of the game. Though I have since decided to go for more of a smart/misguided sort of thing. A bit like Parker, actually. But I digress.

The trouble is that Black was kind of playing how I'd expect a savage to play. Short posts that don't give much away. But he turned out to be mason. Speaking of which, I think Mason could be a savage. Like I said before, she's pretty worthless during the day. But I could see her being intelligent enough to command the savages. She's definitely smarter than she's letting on.

Also, the death note implies that the savages are not at full capacity, but I find this difficult to believe. The only reason I can think of that they would say that is if they are at max capacity and want to fool the town into thinking they are not much of a threat and in order to direct the search away from their godfather as evidenced by "killing me won't get the big suicide you were hoping for".

The article also implies, at separate times, that it was written by both a non-godfather savage "reveal myself or my fearless leader" and the savage godfather himself "I have two more to recruit". This could be intentional in order to throw us off, but it's also possible that the multiple people contributing to it wrote it from their own perspectives and didn't go back through to ensure everything was coming from a uniform perspective.

They contradict themselves in other ways, too. In their message to us, they say that it is in our best interest to kill town before killing them, but then they tell town that they killed Monroe because they thought he was the consort and that they had intended/wanted to kill Dunn. My guess is that they were lying to the town once again in order to shift the focus off of themselves by presenting themselves as friendly toward (non-mason) town, but there's no way to be sure until we see who they kill tonight. Also, as someone pointed out during the day, they said "I will not tell you how many we are" but then they say "we have two more to recruit". Which is further evidence (as far as I'm concerned) that they're lying about their size.

If there is no kill by them tonight, then they might have been telling the truth about their current member count, but I think it's more likely that they simply said that so that it is a backup in case they are roleblocked or fail to kill for some reason. This way in their next death note they can say something like "we lied" or "jk there's still a mason enforcer we want to kill and this guy seemed enforecer-y". And if they fail, town won't see the deathnote and will assume they recruited instead of killing. Or will at least consider the possibility before they lynch someone who was roleblocked on the night of a failed attack. Not a bad contingency plan for being roleblocked, I suppose. Except that makes it seem to me that they think it likely they'll be roleblocked in the near future. So we should probably go through and see who has not yet been roleblocked. One of them may very well be savage godfather.

I'm sure I can squeeze more out of it, but I'm going to take a break. Feel free to comment on what I've got so far.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think you are exactly right on the death note. It is clear that they wanted to seem like the weaker faction so that town attention would be on us. Thankfully there are no more obvious Mafia. Everything will be more favourable to us from now on. *Note i use british spelling but wont in day chat. Ive had to retype colour and "ackerman is scum that armour is fake" because of this derpage that blackmailer uses english spelling.

Another thing we might take from it is that they said
Dunn's Lynch:
I was so disappointed when you lynched Dunn - I REAAALLY wanted to be the one to end his pathetic life - and really pushed that Leary lynch. It would have given us savages some town points, if we would have followed Cafarelli's plan to kill a mafia. I believed Dunn's claim to save the mayor from both the mafia and the savages, but Parker, you have no worries from our people. We are your friends! We like your train of thought. We also just like trains. And if Dunn would have switched himself with Parker, this death note would have told you who my real target was. CHOO CHOO!!!
Savages are either lyign their ass off or admitting that they were on the Leary lynch to confuse town on who they are. The players on the Leary lynch were.

FM Leary (8 [L-4]): FM Galloway, FM Rose, FM Lichtmann, FM Donnelly, FM Dunn, FM Mendez, FM Kelso, FM Chapman
This agrees with my theory that FM Rose is a Savage/SGF. Rose has shown that she is a smart player and capable of writing a note like this. I would not think the same of Lichtmann or Kelso. I am also fairly certain that Chapman is a citizen as well.
-Lichtmann because he is clearly not the smartest of players. If he is truly a town power role, he would not waste the Journalists night action and bring so much attention on himself. He could be a good target for a night kill. Except then whatever he posts will be confirmed depending on his role..
-Kelso because of his sheeping and lack of thoughtful posts. Could just be blending in well. Second choice behind Rose.
-Chapman obvious citizen trying to take a hit from scum. Or smart scum knowoing to soft claim.
Also note our buddying of all being on the same lynch*. I switched just to give Mayor a chance to hammer whoever he wants, but it might still be noted.

[FM Attila]

Kill
○ Hopgood
Drug
○ Witched Litchmann
Blackmail
○ Kalou (Insert Blackmail here)



Blackmail:
Claim that you recieved the witched feedback. If you do not do this on the first day of your blackmail we will kill you.




Hm?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think the SGF definitely wrote it. He tried to make it seem like it's from another persons perspective so that we might think that he does not have a investigative role in the group and then contradicts it by saying

If you happen to find me or my boss, or if I'm the only savage left, you'll have lost a kpn and would probably result in a 100% town win. So think twice about trying to kill us.


This implys if he is the only savage left that he wont kill because he has another night action?

Kill Hopgood with Death note - please include spoiler tag, for lols
Kira is Light Yagami


Days have been bad for us. To help you find Savages, we will let you know that Phelps did not roleblock Black. They did not say they were roleblocked. His lying confirmed his role and went against our plan.

Town
We will keep killing you until we decide it's time to destroy the Savages.

Savages
We already know who your Godfather is. We will not attack or reveal you yet. Our plan is to let you convert some juicy town and have them suicide with you. You should take this as a temporary alliance.

Witch
We expect more from you. Your identity is known. You have not found our Godfather.

Hidden Epsilon
Just keep doing what you are doing.


Hidden Epsilon = We are trying to discredit the Student theory that is proposed. Might backfire, will consider deleting.

Claiming Phelps roleblocked someone other than black. Will put out confusion and suspicion. Could help us. One of us could claim we were roleblocked. Up for deletion if you guys don't like it.

Savages = A threat and an Alliance mixed in. I think it's decent.

Witch = He is obviously Green or Galletta. I'm leaning more towards Green. He thought you were Mafia because you reaction tested him and attempted to have you attack yourself. Which explains the no feedback for witch and Parker receiving two Soma. I say Green or Galletta because the missing Witch claims mean he was inactive/replaced or someone did not reveal. Also Phelps is a dick for revealing we were going to claim someone else was witched if he found us. LOL putting suspicion on you.

@Leo, I should have claimed roleblocked, but Phelps had already said he roleblocked Black. Would have been looking like I was trying to protect him. Especially since there would be no reason to roleblock me in towns eyes.

@Attilla - Our blackmailer probably wont be able to act tonight but we should still try. This feedback won't give us much except make town think Witch has received the Soma. Could cause a mislynch or fuck one of us over. I think Parker may give me Soma tonight which I will pass to Leo. Kalou will probably wait til second day though, he has town thinking he is a Delta and wont act like he isn't.

[FM Artaxerxes]

If one of you guys could colour in the death note that would be cool. Colourblindness :(

[FM Attila]

Also Phelps is a dick for revealing we were going to claim someone else was witched if he found us. LOL putting suspicion on you.


Believe me... I know -_-

[FM Artaxerxes]

Kill
○ Hopgood
Drug
○ Witched Litchmann
Blackmail
○ Kalou (Insert Blackmail here)



Blackmail:
Claim that you recieved the witched feedback. If you do not do this on the first day of your blackmail we will kill you.




Hm?

Also it was clear that your soma you received would have expired by now. Mayor passed Soma to Cafarelli. Enforcer passed Soma to Parker. Black died before passing Soma/using. So it will just make town think that either the Witches target or Kalou is lying.

I've been concerned that Lichtmann is a town sheriff and been waiting for a interview to use as a last will. We should consider the possibilities of our defenses against that. This could be to our benefit because the Savage godfather is not immune to detection.

I think a better possibility is to send a feedback block to Ackerman. That way if the hidden escort (kalou) targets him then he will not confirm it and look scummy. It may force Kalou to reveal and actually be a target.

To confirm Kalou as escort ill find posts where he shows suspicion against Ryan.

A better blackmail may just be to silence the Mayor. It will force the sheep to speak for themselves and give us good reads on people.

[FM Artaxerxes]

link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=327828#post327828)
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=327850#post327850)
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=327809#post327809)

Yeah Kalou is definitely the escort lol. We can't target him because both Attilla and I revealed we knew he probably wasn't a delta in day chat. would look suspicious as [bleep]

[FM Leonardo]

link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=327828#post327828)
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=327850#post327850)
link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20525-Day-6?p=327809#post327809)

Yeah Kalou is definitely the escort lol. We can't target him because both Attilla and I revealed we knew he probably wasn't a delta in day chat. would look suspicious as [bleep]

Wait, why does FoSing Ryan make him escort?

[FM Leonardo]

Kill
○ Hopgood
Drug
○ Witched Litchmann
Blackmail
○ Kalou (Insert Blackmail here)



Blackmail:
Claim that you recieved the witched feedback. If you do not do this on the first day of your blackmail we will kill you.




Hm?

Why Lichtman?

And for the blackmail, it'd have to be more like "Make a post that contains the phrase "I was witched last night". You may not claim any other feedback. You may not say anything that states, hints, or implies that you were not really witched."

However, I think spending a lot of effort on a blackmail tonight is a waste because Carruthers is suiciding tonight which means I can't act. Three consecutive nights of not being able to use my action. Gotta' love it.

[FM Leonardo]

Also it was clear that your soma you received would have expired by now. Mayor passed Soma to Cafarelli. Enforcer passed Soma to Parker. Black died before passing Soma/using. So it will just make town think that either the Witches target or Kalou is lying.

I've been concerned that Lichtmann is a town sheriff and been waiting for a interview to use as a last will. We should consider the possibilities of our defenses against that. This could be to our benefit because the Savage godfather is not immune to detection.

I think a better possibility is to send a feedback block to Ackerman. That way if the hidden escort (kalou) targets him then he will not confirm it and look scummy. It may force Kalou to reveal and actually be a target.

To confirm Kalou as escort ill find posts where he shows suspicion against Ryan.

A better blackmail may just be to silence the Mayor. It will force the sheep to speak for themselves and give us good reads on people.

I don't think lichtmann is a sheriff. If he was, he probably would've revealed on day 4 like every single other power role. Plus, the town already started with an investigator, a detective, a mason clubber, a mason enforcer, a bus driver, two escorts, a mayor, a coroner, a jailor, and an architect. You think they have a sheriff on top of all that?! No way. That would be way too OP.

Plus, I know Clem doesn't like sheriffs anyway. Just look at the MFM she's hosting. She includes roles like "paranoid sheriff" in order to nerf the hell out of it. Since there are no nerfed sheriff roles possible in this game, I highly doubt there is a town sheriff. There could, however, be a savage sheriff.

Also Art, I didn't realize you were British. Nice job masking it. Haha

[FM Artaxerxes]

Lol i'm not i just always type like that. Taught british english.

He might not be a sheriff, but i'm trying to theorize why he would request an article and that's the only thing that came to me. & the meta, the cult can convert any of those and we are full of confusion roles. So it could be possible.

I don't mind the blackmail since it will likely not work since Carruthers will suicide. It is clear that Witch made Galloway self target afaik.Ill try to post more late, but I cant until this girl leaves. So Leo or Attila i leave this to you guys.

[FM Leonardo]

Lol i'm not i just always type like that. Taught british english.

He might not be a sheriff, but i'm trying to theorize why he would request an article and that's the only thing that came to me. & the meta, the cult can convert any of those and we are full of confusion roles. So it could be possible.

I don't mind the blackmail since it will likely not work since Carruthers will suicide. It is clear that Witch made Galloway self target afaik.Ill try to post more late, but I cant until this girl leaves. So Leo or Attila i leave this to you guys.

I thought so too, but apparently witch cannot cause self targets. There are only two situations which can result in a self target as far as I can tell.

1. Being the bus driver/kidnapper (they are allowed to swap themselves)
2. Targeting someone (or being forced by witch to target someone) who a bus driver/kidnapper swaps with you.

[FM Leonardo]

And since all the swapping roles are dead... Self targets are currently impossible. So I have no idea what happened with Galloway unless Parker is lying about getting a second soma.

[FM Artaxerxes]

And since all the swapping roles are dead... Self targets are currently impossible. So I have no idea what happened with Galloway unless Parker is lying about getting a second soma.

It's possible that Parker did not believe this Soma because of how it was worded and assumed it was fake. So he claimed there was a second one to try and bait us into calling him a liar. Unsure. We can't really bother with it now. If he received any soma, he would pass it out again today.

Before i leave -

Kill Hopgood - Consider the death note I wrote and make alterations
Drug a Witched feedback? - Talk about it if I get back before it ends Ill give you some thoughts
Blackmail - Attempt one. Lol

Gonna go watch new star trek. good luck

[FM Artaxerxes]

Parker llying that he received Soma from the Masons will keep the Savages scared and possibly still hunting for Masons. It's not a good play anyway you look at it from town perspective.

[FM Leonardo]

Parker llying that he received Soma from the Masons will keep the Savages scared and possibly still hunting for Masons. It's not a good play anyway you look at it from town perspective.

He probably lied in order to keep the savages scared of masons. There may have only been a clubber in the first place. He probably didn't think about the fact that making them fear masons will just give them an excuse to keep killing town (as if they needed one).

[FM Leonardo]

Godfather - Kill Hopgood
Drug Dealer - Drug witched feedback to Lichtmann
Blackmailer - Cry self to sleep

[FM Artaxerxes]

Godfather - Kill Hopgood
Drug Dealer - Drug witched feedback to Lichtmann
Blackmailer - Cry self to sleep
this looks good.

Death note?

[FM Ferengi]

6 minutes to add death note. Please update if you are including it.

[FM Leonardo]

this looks good.

Death note?

nah.

[Forum Mafia GM]

no death note, actions locked.

[FM Leonardo]

6 minutes to add death note. Please update if you are including it.

It didn't really matter this time, but you know... Your warnings could use some work. Next time try something more along the lines of "one hour left" or "two hours left".

[Forum Mafia GM]

We gave a 46 hour warning at the start of the night, isn't that good enough?

Closing chat so we can start sending out feedback pms.