Day 7

[FM Ferengi]

Day 7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcHL8efKKPE



Well, I couldn't even watch this one.

I've lost my will to see blood, it seems. I'm a weak man now. Been worn out from waiting to see the fate of a world.

But it's damn fun, isn't it.

Well, another one was passed out in his house with no regrets, on one final high.

He was pretty high up, a private Investigator in the government.

Name was Cafarelli.

That was the peaceful news of the night.

I couldn't look at that FM Black.

Ripped and torn to pieces...I could barely look at the one before, but this was terrible.

I don't look forward to the future for once, so I need more whiskey.

-Aldous Ford
June 2, 2013 A.F.

FM Cafarelli overdosed on laced soma. His role was Investigator.

A death note was found beside his corpse:


HAI SALVAGES!

PLEASE KEEP KILLING TOWN. THANK YOU!

FM Black was eaten alive viciously. His role was Mason Clubber.

A death note was found beside his corpse:

Greetings Townspeople of this 'Brave' New World,

This 'death note', which we see as more of a long-lasting truce, is our way of communicating with you. It's saddening to think that if I reveal myself or my fearless leader you'll all get blood thirsty and kill us. Come on. You are supposed to be the good town! Anyway I'm rambling here, so I'll get on to my propositions.

Dunn's Lynch:
I was so disappointed when you lynched Dunn - I REAAALLY wanted to be the one to end his pathetic life - and really pushed that Leary lynch. It would have given us savages some town points, if we would have followed Cafarelli's plan to kill a mafia. I believed Dunn's claim to save the mayor from both the mafia and the savages, but Parker, you have no worries from our people. We are your friends! We like your train of thought. We also just like trains. And if Dunn would have switched himself with Parker, this death note would have told you who my real target was. CHOO CHOO!!!

To the mafia:
We the People think it is in both our interests to not kill each other just yet. It is our mission to actively kill those brute fellows with clubs - basically the soft-claimed power roles. Like Black. He just looked so tasty and I couldn't help myself! So as long as you don't claim enforcer or seem like a clubber or we find you in a club, we won't eat you. If you happen to find me or my boss, or if I'm the only savage left, you'll have lost a kpn and would probably result in a 100% town win. So think twice about trying to kill us.

Future Plans:
Our reason for eating Monroe was that we thought he was the slutty consort. We had no intention of killing town yesterday, but killing Monroe did not allow us to wave that white flag of a temporary friendship. But now, it is in the best interest of our People to kill masons. You town cannot blame us, can you? What else do you want us to do? This is why the savages killed Black. If Black really was a mason, we will start recruiting again. I will not tell you how many we are, but we will start killing again, ONLY when my numbers are filled: Mafia or town depends on how good you are with lynching mafia. If the town completely fails and is in desperate need of our assistance, we may help you kill mafia. After all, we're friends, right?

To the witch?
It would please us greatly if you would side with the People, Master Witch. If you are in control of the Mafia Godfather, kill the town power roles, like Cafarelli or something. It helps us all!

Killings will stop until after mason is dead. After I fill in the ranks completely, killings will then resume. But I will tell you that I have two more to recruit, so killing me won't get this big suicide that you all are hoping for. Whether you believe that we have that many numbers or not is open to your interpretation. WIFOM!


Happy lynchings!

P.S. I think Cafarelli's claim of being feedback blocked for nights on end is just untrue.
P.S.S. I think Donelly is a Mafia as well because he said: Hey guys I found the night chat. Turns out we're all scum.

How would a non-townsperson know that iss how the night chats are called? Definite scum-slip.

One article was submitted this to the London Times this morning:


I just got replaced, I'm going to look through all the threads and take notes on the players I suspect the most. Until then, I think I won't be able to prove myself innocent unless someone investigates me or kills me. Sorry I couldn't be helpful at this time and I really don't get why I was chosen to be interviewed. My only advice is to follow the Mayor's lead. The Mayor seems to have an ample amount of notes. I'll try my best to catch on with you guys, thanks.

Graveyard:
FM Gage (Architect) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM McKelty (Delta) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Bishop (Detective) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Becket (Corrupt Journalist) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Cohen (Arsonist) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Colmyer (Delta) - Committed suicide.
FM Morgan (Savage) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Biggs (Delta) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Ballard (Savage Investigator) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Bekowsky (Delta) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Buchwalter (Drug Dealer) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Hogeboom (Bus Driver) - Overdosed on laced soma.
FM Monroe (Escort) - Eaten alive viciously.
FM Dunn (Kidnapper) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Black (Mason Clubber) - Eaten alive viciously.
FM Cafarelli (Investigator) - Overdosed on laced soma.

Role List:
Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Evil Neutral]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]

Not Crossed Off:
FM Morgan (Savage)
FM Ballard (Savage Investigator)

Anonymous Accounts:
FM Ackerman
FM Ballard
FM Becket
FM Bekowsky
FM Biggs
FM Bishop
FM Black
FM Buchwalter
FM Cafarelli
FM Carruthers
FM Chapman
FM Cohen
FM Colmyer
FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Gage
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Hogeboom
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM McKelty
FM Mendez
FM Monroe
FM Morgan
FM Parker
FM Phelps
FM Rose
FM Ryan

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Night 8 begins at: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=9pm+PST+June+3

[FM Ryan]

First! I was roleblocked.

[FM Parker]

Interesting.

I was likely drugged. Reflecting for several hours.

[FM Ryan]

Oh, you're here as well, Miss Parker. Good.

You are not like any other person I've met so far. I have a keen intuition after all. I have no idea about your COM, but I already know that you are quite an intelligent Mayor. So let me guess... you had NO intention to vote Leary at all? I believe it was only an act in attempt to find out the Mafia and Savages (mafia would vote Learly while savages would stick on Dunn). So, without any leads and dead clubber, what should we do? Lynch Leary for real, right?

[FM Earle]

Want interview tell me during the first 24 hours. Don't wait until the end of the day.

Stepping in as town leader. Parker claimed blackmailed.

Everyone declare night feedback now!

[FM Ryan]

No wait, even before that, how did savages found out that Black is the Mason Clubber? Was it just their pure luck? I always thought that Black was Mafia, even suspected him as the godfather!

[FM Parker]

Want interview tell me during the first 24 hours. Don't wait until the end of the day.

Stepping in as town leader. Parker claimed blackmailed.

Everyone declare night feedback now!

I never claimed blackmailed Earle. I got a soma note denying the existance of a clubber.

I am inclined to take the savages up on their piece offering. I can hardly blame them for killing Black when I swore he was Mafia.

[FM Ackerman]

I'd like to point out I was not rbed, mafia are clearly not siding with us, lets get phelps.

FM Phelps

P.S. Told you all there was a clubber, and that he was just bad.

[FM Kalou]

that was not a good night.

i'm guessing lichtmann wasn't interviewed, and if hes vigi, he might have found one of the faction heads

more commentary in a bit, playing barcraft atm.

[FM Ryan]

I just found out the death note, and noting good comes out of it.

There is only one confirmed Alpha alive - Parker. Most other alphas or betas are already dead. Which leaves only gammas and deltas that can be converted by savages. There may be still hidden betas alive, but don't count on it much. We still are unsure about Hopgood and Mason, as either of then can be savage. Doctor... is he really exists? If he was, Cafarelli would have been healed tonight. So the worst has indeed happened - both Mafia and savages are continuing to kill Town Power roles. At this rate, aren't we the ones who are going to lose this game instead of then?

[FM Ryan]

Unfortunately Phelps needs to be kept alive, regardless of him being escort or consort. You should clearly understand why.

[FM Donnelly]

No feedback to report here. The savages think I'm mafia. I'm not sure if I should be insulted or flattered.


I never claimed blackmailed Earle. I got a soma note denying the existance of a clubber.

I am inclined to take the savages up on their piece offering. I can hardly blame them for killing Black when I swore he was Mafia.

And I wouldn't call that a peace offering. They killed him because they thought he was a mason. And they were right.

[FM Kalou]

Unfortunately Phelps needs to be kept alive, regardless of him being escort or consort. You should clearly understand why.

not everyone is as intelligent as you and parker, can you tell me why?

[FM Ackerman]

[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta[/COLOR]

Not Crossed Off:
FM Morgan (Savage)
FM Ballard (Savage Investigator)



Remaining town only has mayor, and blacksmith confirmed, I suspect that's the last of our power roles. If anyone received a gun its probably time to use it.

[FM Kalou]

blacksmith was confirmed?

[FM Ryan]

I honestly don't get why Mafia killed Cafarelli. Didn't we had a "deal" with then? Wait a second, it could also be possible that the witch is controlling the kills, like Parker said.

Speaking of which... Did Green was really jailed last night? Green, Hopgood, can you both confirm that?

[FM Parker]

Really Ackerman. You are still rambling about a blacksmith? That's ridiculous. Prove it.

Soliciting opinions here. Gamble on savage gf or pursue mafia?

There was no jail, even if Hobgood was honest. No jail with lynch.

[FM Kalou]

Want interview tell me during the first 24 hours. Don't wait until the end of the day.

Stepping in as town leader. Parker claimed blackmailed.

Everyone declare night feedback now!

the more this guy talks, the more i think hes corrupt, or possibly culted. town leader. lol. didnt even interview lichtmann.

[FM Earle]

I'm the Corrupt Journalist. Journalist is useless to your faction. Please don't convert me and make yourself lose and ally.

I named two Mafia and got them lynched. Friend I am.

[FM Parker]

I honestly don't get why Mafia killed Cafarelli. Didn't we had a "deal" with then? Wait a second, it could also be possible that the witch is controlling the kills, like Parker said.

Speaking of which... Did Green was really jailed last night? Green, Hopgood, can you both confirm that?

Any deal we had with the mafia went out the door after lynching Dunn.

[FM Kalou]

Really Ackerman. You are still rambling about a blacksmith? That's ridiculous. Prove it.

Soliciting opinions here. Gamble on savage gf or pursue mafia?

There was no jail, even if Hobgood was honest. No jail with lynch.

depends on whether savage(s?) was telling the truth. could have just been buying time.
if you think savages are at full capacity, the gamble has a good payoff, but if they're being honest, and we get no cult suicides, or even mislynch, then... fkin gg for town.

[FM Ryan]

I'm the Corrupt Journalist. Journalist is useless to your faction. Please don't convert me and make yourself lose and ally.

I named two Mafia and got them lynched. Friend I am.

Heh, so this means Ackerman is not some kind of "drug student"? And he was not roleblocked either. Who is he then?

[FM Earle]

the more this guy talks, the more i think hes corrupt, or possibly culted. town leader. lol. didnt even interview lichtmann.

He asked too late.

Corrupt or culted I'm still a Journalist at heart. Even if I can change my target, I still won't visit him. Nothing he can't say during the day.

[FM Kalou]

Heh, so this means Ackerman is not some kind of "drug student"? And he was not roleblocked either. Who is he then?

second DD.

remaining mafia are consort? drug dealer, and blackmailer.

[FM Ackerman]

Heh, so this means Ackerman is not some kind of "drug student"? And he was not roleblocked either. Who is he then?

A delta with a vest.

[FM Ryan]

Oh what side are you, Earle?

[FM Earle]

Reason I believe Savage's claim of failing two recruits:

Fail recruit Parker.
Fail recruit Black.
Black failed to club any Savages.

[FM Ackerman]

Also I think he is telling the truth when he claims the size of the savages, but that only means its more beneficial to lynch the Savage godfather. Mafia consig would do good to reveal if the savage godfather has been found. Otherwise we will lynch phelp's I think.

[FM Parker]

I would have sworn that's who he is Ryan but Black looked like Mafia. So I will have to revisit that. Plus with no investigator, everyone knows they are free to lie. This sucks.

So my question is... take a shot a savage gf, go for mafia gf, or mafia member?

I find it pretty curious Ackerman is vested.

When do blacksmith items expire?

[FM Earle]

Oh what side are you, Earle?

Please don't recruit me.

[FM Ackerman]

I would have sworn that's who he is Ryan but Black looked like Mafia. So I will have to revisit that. Plus with no investigator, everyone knows they are free to lie. This sucks.

So my question is... take a shot a savage gf, go for mafia gf, or mafia member?

I find it pretty curious Ackerman is vested.

When do blacksmith items expire?

When it's used, or when the holder dies.

[FM Ackerman]

Also I think he is telling the truth when he claims the size of the savages, but that only means its more beneficial to lynch the Savage godfather. Mafia consig would do good to reveal if the savage godfather has been found. Otherwise we will lynch phelp's I think.

@Parker do you agree with this statement? Unless the mafia can reveal the savage godfather today, we should lynch phelps?

[FM Kalou]

Also I think he is telling the truth when he claims the size of the savages, but that only means its more beneficial to lynch the Savage godfather. Mafia consig would do good to reveal if the savage godfather has been found. Otherwise we will lynch phelp's I think.

consig can really only find savages, you know that right?
i think phelps might be a towny,

and furthermore, there is NO reason for the blacksmith to give you anything. and if there WAS a blacksmith, wouldnt he just mass give guns to the mayor? or at least ONE gun? (in case of witch)

[FM Parker]

I am debating between three targets. I am not sure Phelps is the best play here. I don't like Ackerman and he's pushing that lynch hard.

[FM Parker]

consig can really only find savages, you know that right?
i think phelps might be a towny,

and furthermore, there is NO reason for the blacksmith to give you anything. and if there WAS a blacksmith, wouldnt he just mass give guns to the mayor? or at least ONE gun? (in case of witch)

This. No one else has claimed material. The blacksmith cannot be savaged. We are missing about 5 nights worth of claims.

[FM Kalou]

This. No one else has claimed material. The blacksmith cannot be savaged. We are missing about 5 nights worth of claims.

so if you dont have guns, i would push either ackerman or your savage gf lead. if you still think its leary
but if you want to use meta role list dumb logic, then we got the jailor, and didnt get the blacksmith. but why have a jailor and a mayor. its a bit useless.

[FM Earle]

Note that Savage GF did not kill. Jailed Savage GF was.

[FM Parker]

I am more tempted to push Ackerman here . his claims seem to be ridiculous. If we've had two drug dealers the whole time... That would make for a lot of innocent people at this point. Anyone rbd by the second dd is innocent. That would force Phelps as consort though.

[FM Kalou]

Note that Savage GF did not kill. Jailed Savage GF was.

too many assumptions you make. stop trying to influence the town.

permission to block earle?

[FM Kalou]

I am more tempted to push Ackerman here . his claims seem to be ridiculous. If we've had two drug dealers the whole time... That would make for a lot of innocent people at this point. Anyone rbd by the second dd is innocent. That would force Phelps as consort though.

wait. ackerman could have been drugged that.
or he could be fake claiming to pretend.

2 dds could clear ackerman.

where is lichtman? when does he usually come on?

[FM Parker]

@Kalou Ignoring players is not allowed.

A ridiculous claim doesn't mean blackmailed/drugged.

What do you think of Carruthers, Leary, Rose and Ryan?

[FM Ackerman]

I am more tempted to push Ackerman here . his claims seem to be ridiculous. If we've had two drug dealers the whole time... That would make for a lot of innocent people at this point. Anyone rbd by the second dd is innocent. That would force Phelps as consort though.

I can't decide if you are trying to pretend you haven't received vests from the blacksmith so you will get attacked and waste a kill, or if you haven't and as a result there is no blacksmith.

[FM Earle]

Drug Dealer: Hi Mayor, here's an imaginary vest.

[FM Parker]

I am off to my dojo to meditate. Be back later.

Leave your suggestions in the thread.

[FM Parker]

I can't decide if you are trying to pretend you haven't received vests from the blacksmith so you will get attacked and waste a kill, or if you haven't and as a result there is no blacksmith.

I have never been vested. Even if your theory was right, I wasn't outed until Day 5. Still a lot of missing vests.

[FM Mason]

My boss likes me to wear a smile to work

[FM Ackerman]

You know I just realized, according to the death note, it seems the savages believe FM Leary to be the epsilon.

[FM Parker]

Mason claims Batman blackmail.

The bigger shock is if the savages were looking to kill Masons, why is here?

I don't like that at all.

[FM Mason]

Mason claims Batman blackmail.

The bigger shock is if the savages were looking to kill Masons, why is here?

I don't like that at all.

Yoo-hoo Mistah Mayor!
Wanna try my pie, Puddin?

[FM Kalou]

@Kalou Ignoring players is not allowed.

A ridiculous claim doesn't mean blackmailed/drugged.

What do you think of Carruthers, Leary, Rose and Ryan?

carruthers - gf or mafia. his coroner claim is stupid. but then again, host meta would say that coroner would be added due to the fact there are last wills. maybe morgan was coroner? i dont even know.

leary - again, disinterested citizen. i'd not lynch him. possibly even replaced.

rose - possible cit/godfather. lurking

ryan - doesnt seem to have a connection to mafia, and savage evidence is sparse in this game. but for some reason, i think he's scum. he was quiet before, but now he's becoming a stronger and stronger influencer, a possible late game scum tactic. i have him pegged as savage/witch

[FM Kalou]

You know I just realized, according to the death note, it seems the savages believe FM Leary to be the epsilon.

unless that's what they want us to believe?

[FM Kalou]

how do i get the notifications to pop up? i remember monroe saying he had trouble concentrating for all the notifications from sc2maf forum popping up.

[FM Parker]

Yeah. Mason definitely claims blackmailed and doing it day 1. Could be mafia but I doubt it. I don't think mafia would run the same gambit twice.

Need to sleep. Reflecting on this. Keep scum hunting.

[FM Kalou]

Yeah. Mason definitely claims blackmailed and doing it day 1. Could be mafia but I doubt it. I don't think mafia would run the same gambit twice.

Need to sleep. Reflecting on this. Keep scum hunting.

what do you mean? 'claims bmed and doing it d1?'

[FM Parker]

what do you mean? 'claims bmed and doing it d1?'

Trying to process blackmail claims.

Where in the OoO does role demotion occur? Can the mafia blackmail the same night someone is demoted?

[FM Ferengi]

When do blacksmith items expire?

Blacksmith items don't expire. They last until they are used up.



permission to block earle?

Assuming this is not addressed to the hosts.



Where in the OoO does role demotion occur? Can the mafia blackmail the same night someone is demoted?

Demotion occurs at the start of night. A blackmailer can blackmail as long as they do not have an active blackmail.

[FM Ryan]

I don't think that we have 4 savages at this time. I guess that there are 3 of then at best, no more. I don't think it that it would be easy for then to recruit people so easily. Besides, 2 recruits we already killed by Mafia, so I believe that the Savages are still short on their numbers.

[FM Kalou]

I don't think that we have 4 savages at this time. I guess that there are 3 of then at best, no more. I don't think it that it would be easy for then to recruit people so easily. Besides, 2 recruits we already killed by Mafia, so I believe that the Savages are still short on their numbers.

who do you think is evil?

[FM Kalou]

who do you think is evil?

actually, everyone should post who they think is evil. possible buddying might give us some clues.

[FM Ryan]

That's good question, Kalou. I'll try to put on my guesses.

FM Ackerman - As he was not roleblocked, I believe he could be either a citizen or possible godfather, assuming that Earle is indeed Corrupt Journalist
FM Carruthers - I know nothing about this guy yet, so we should make him talk some more. I don't believe his Coroner claim where there are no Janitors
FM Chapman - Vigilante does not exist! Who is he then?
FM Donnelly - Looks like town role to me
FM Earle - He just admitted that he is not town. In addition to that, he could also be already converted by Savages.
FM Fontaine - Possible scum, either Savage of Mafia. Need more readings, though.
FM Galletta - Blackmailer 100%, Cafarelli confirmed. Or he could be also the Witch (in the same pairing)
FM Galloway - A trusted town member, according to Parker
FM Green - Possible Witch
FM Hopgood - Jailor or a lying Savage
FM Kalou - Semms pro-town player to me, unfortulately I'm not sure about his role
FM Kelso - I don't have any information about him yet
FM Leary - Either citizen or possible Sagave Godfather
FM Lichtmann - Claimed to be blackmailed. So he is mot mafia, but can be still a savage
FM Mason - Now that Clubber is dead, I strong believe that this guy is noting more than a ordinary Savage
FM Mendez - Who is he? Never remember him talking too much. Could be a lurking Mafia or Witch
FM Parker - Our trustworthy (sic) Mayor
FM Phelps - Escort/Consort. I believe Phelps is a Consort. As a matter of fact, she chose to roleblock me instead of Ackerman
FM Rose - Cafarelli said that she could be delta, but after that vote on Leary I now believe that she could be Mafia Godfather
FM Ryan - I am still a delta, nothing more. I was not converted by Savages. Phelps should confirm that I was roleblocked tonight.

[FM Mason]

That's good question, Kalou. I'll try to put on my guesses.

Gee Mr. J, You really know how to put the "fun" in funeral!

[FM Ryan]

Thanks for the compliment, Mr. Savage.

Now that I think about it, we only know about your investigation pairings because Dunn told us so. But what if he was actually lying to us?

Do you really belong to those pairings?
Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer

[FM Kalou]

Thanks for the compliment, Mr. Savage.

Now that I think about it, we only know about your investigation pairings because Dunn told us so. But what if he was actually lying to us?

Do you really belong to those pairings?

if phelps is consort, then they have no consig.
HM. ITS GOTTA be a consig, as a consig was interviewed day 2. caff never admitted to it.
that means phelps is escort, and he blocked you.
which means...

so many variables.... it all relies on earle

EARLE. if you REALLY arent corrupt, reveal to us who you interviewed day2, as thats the consig.

ifeellikeImnotmakingsenseagain.

[FM Kalou]

Gee Mr. J, You really know how to put the "fun" in funeral!

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/3465566/Lewinsky

[FM Mason]

Thanks for the compliment, Mr. Savage.

Now that I think about it, we only know about your investigation pairings because Dunn told us so. But what if he was actually lying to us?

Do you really belong to those pairings?

Oh, come on, Puddin'! Don't you wanna rev up your "Harley"? Vroom vroom!

[FM Mason]

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/3465566/Lewinsky

Stop it! You're making me confused!

[FM Kalou]

Mason, if your blackmail is the same as colymers' then i have a solution:

If you have a fos or have something to communicate, repeat the line u just used. That should be okay to say under the restrictions of the blackmail

[FM Rose]

So, ackerman, fontaine and galetta are confirmed mafias then. Maybe they should reveal their conigliere results so we can find the savage godfather today.

[FM Ryan]

IF they have consigliere. I believe that there is no Consigliere and that Phelps is consort. Not sure about Ackerman, though. You do understand that Phelps chose to roleblock me instead of Ackerman? We need explanations from Phelps soon!

[FM Rose]

IF they have consigliere. I believe that there is no Consigliere and that Phelps is consort. Not sure about Ackerman, though. You do understand that Phelps chose to roleblock me instead of Ackerman? We need explanations from Phelps soon!

You could have been drugged since they decided to kill our investigator tonight instead of drugging him.

[FM Rose]

FM Mendez There is something sinister about her. She could be the savage godfather.

[FM Carruthers]

carruthers - gf or mafia. his coroner claim is stupid. but then again, host meta would say that coroner would be added due to the fact there are last wills. maybe morgan was coroner? i dont even know.


FM Carruthers - I know nothing about this guy yet, so we should make him talk some more. I don't believe his Coroner claim where there are no Janitors

+ like 100 messages in Day 6 stating that I'm a liar and et cetera.

LYNCH ME

I'm the Coroner and I have not lied about any feedback. I have not become converted and I'm a fresh Delta after the demotion of claiming blackmailed.

I did in fact Soft-claim Coroner by Day 4:#55.


Clues :

*It's obvious who.
"Your target was an architect. They had no last will."


*It's obvious who.
"Your target was a detective. They had no last will."


*It's obvious who.
"Your target was a corrupt journalist. They had no last will."


- FM Morgan, Savage.
"Your target was a Delta. They had no last will."


-Target FM Ballard
Your target was a Citizen -> Savage Investigator. Their last will is:

A duck! A duck! My kingdom for a duck!

Now I am become Duck, the destroyer of worlds.

Thou shalt not muzzle the Duck.

To accomplish a task, you need a Duck and not quite enough time.

Our scientific power has outpaced our spiritual power; we have guided missiles and misguided Ducks.

To kill a good Duck is to kill reason itself.

There is only one good, Duck, and only one evil, Bird.

Fontaine and Ackerman are scum.


I have not received any message on demotion.

Do players that has claimed blackmailed get a feedback notice of being demoted?

[FM Rose]

A coroner would have been useful now to check the Clubber last will.

[FM Carruthers]

A coroner would have been useful now to check the Clubber last will.

To bad the Coroner is now demoted.

[FM Rose]

Do players that has claimed blackmailed get a feedback notice of being demoted?

This looks like a slip. You should know if you were unable to perform your night action tonight.

[FM Leary]

carruthers - gf or mafia. his coroner claim is stupid. but then again, host meta would say that coroner would be added due to the fact there are last wills. maybe morgan was coroner? i dont even know.

leary - again, disinterested citizen. i'd not lynch him. possibly even replaced.

rose - possible cit/godfather. lurking

ryan - doesnt seem to have a connection to mafia, and savage evidence is sparse in this game. but for some reason, i think he's scum. he was quiet before, but now he's becoming a stronger and stronger influencer, a possible late game scum tactic. i have him pegged as savage/witch
i ain't replaced, i'm just pissed off. And Black was rlly rlly useless, he probably visited me last night.
At least we have some sort of lead: Probably mafia had their votes on me and savages had their votes on Dunn. With all likely suspects, we can probably narrow down the cit/scum voters.
9 scum left opposed to 12 or 13 town + Earle who is ??
If there's a witch it's 10 scum -1 town

[FM Carruthers]

This looks like a slip. You should know if you were unable to perform your night action tonight.

I received no feedback at all even when I attempted to coroner autopsy someone, to see if I were truly demoted or not. I found it strange when I received no feedback stating the demotion.

[FM Rose]

Ballard was a savage so he could have shared his last will with Carruthers in their night chat and if carruthers is the savage godfather he would be immune to the blackmailed effects.

[FM Leary]

FM Dunn (12 [L-0]): FM Ryan, FM Cafarelli, FM Ackerman, FM Mason, FM Fontaine, FM Leary, FM Parker (Mayor), FM Kalou, FM Black
FM Leary (8 [L-4]): FM Galloway, FM Rose, FM Lichtmann, FM Donnelly, FM Dunn, FM Mendez, FM Kelso, FM Chapman

Red maf, purple savage, orange possible scum
And why, tell me why, have we not lynched Galletta who's the most likely person to be blackmailer? And who did phelps block anyway, i think it's 9001% now that he's the consort.

I haven't paid much attention to individual speech and post patterns, but people who suddenly contributed less or became more vague after a certain night are likely to be town turned savages.

[FM Carruthers]

Ballard was a savage so he could have shared his last will with Carruthers in their night chat and if carruthers is the savage godfather he would be immune to the blackmailed effects.

Either you believe me, or you lynch me to confirm my clues.

[FM Rose]

Either you believe me, or you lynch me to confirm my clues.

If the host answers yes to your question and confirms that there have been no host errors then it's going to look bad for you.

[FM Carruthers]

If the host answers yes to your question and confirms that there have been no host errors then it's going to look bad for you.

I love how there's no sign of wanting to believe me after a confirmed answer.

[FM Leary]

Hmmm, given the situation we would need to lynch a savage. Since the mafia have 5 (DD student?) right now and the savages should be at 4 we need to tip the balance in power between these 2 factions. If we can hit a Savage with our lynch, the savages have to put a direct hit onto mafia, or they will lose if both factions rush down the town decimation path. (5 beats 3)
Who are the most likely people to have been Savaged? On the night after Earle revealed, was there a Savage kill? He might not be savage then.
I'm particularly concerned with the people who voted for Dunn.

[FM Green]

Sorry for not posting. I was reading through the threads. Anyways... I was just checking in to say I was interviewed although it was kinda obvious. Just saying.

[FM Lichtmann]

OK well after a fail.

@FUCKING EARL VIST ME I WANT AN INTERVIEW!

@the imaginary vig, whats your real role? or explain why you never shot yet or why they witch has yet to control you

@me parker I need that interview unless you are really bent on wantimg me to claim it but i wil say that it is better if i dont. I figure kazo know what i am.

Could someone make me a role list of what roles has been "claimed" and what space left there is

@hoop how come hes not dead yet?

[FM Parker]

@Carruthers, Then you should be freaking out asking if the host messed up. There is no logical way the mafia would waste a DD on a delta. That doesn't happen. I think Carruthers is really scummy with this exchange. I will humor hm though. Who are your suspects Carruthers?

@Mason, I know your posting ad the chick from like late 80s Batman stuff. Is there anything important there?

@Lichtmann, working on your request. Trusting you for now. What is your thought on a Carruthers lynch? I slso think Chapman should claim.

[FM Hopgood]

OK well after a fail.

@FUCKING EARL VIST ME I WANT AN INTERVIEW!

@the imaginary vig, whats your real role? or explain why you never shot yet or why they witch has yet to control you

@me parker I need that interview unless you are really bent on wantimg me to claim it but i wil say that it is better if i dont. I figure kazo know what i am.

Could someone make me a role list of what roles has been "claimed" and what space left there is

@hoop how come hes not dead yet?

Savage want mason dead more than me
This should be obvious
And mafia think Caf is a bigger threat than I am

Just finishing all the posts

Jailor CAN NOT JAIL when there is a lynch
I only jailed ONCE on night 3

That mason clubber... Gosh he's worse than I am

[FM Parker]

Regarding hopgood, mafia shot Cafarelli because I didn't FoS him anymore. Savages naturally shot their mason lead. Can't read anything into hopgood living since clubbing is after mafia kills.

Hopgood, Caf is dead. No threat st all.

[FM Hopgood]

Do people recieve soma at the beginning of night or at the end of the night
The mason clubber had 9 targets and none of them are dead

[FM Hopgood]

Regarding hopgood, mafia shot Cafarelli because I didn't FoS him anymore. Savages naturally shot their mason lead. Can't read anything into hopgood living since clubbing is after mafia kills.

Hopgood, Caf is dead. No threat st all.
I know, I was answering why I did not die, mafia think caf is a bigger threat so they killed him instead of me

[FM Parker]

Do people recieve soma at the beginning of night or at the end of the night
The mason clubber had 9 targets and none of them are dead

Soma is received at the start of the night and passed towards the end if passing it.

[FM Lichtmann]

@Carruthers, Then you should be freaking out asking if the host messed up. There is no logical way the mafia would waste a DD on a delta. That doesn't happen. I think Carruthers is really scummy with this exchange. I will humor hm though. Who are your suspects Carruthers?

@Mason, I know your posting ad the chick from like late 80s Batman stuff. Is there anything important there?

@Lichtmann, working on your request. Trusting you for now. What is your thought on a Carruthers lynch? I also think Chapman should claim.

HMMMMM its intresting, he only hints it at day 5 when we first have a savage death. Now by the way the mechanics works it would make sense to have a corner. But his post makes me think that he wasn't an original corner.

- FM Morgan, Savage.
"Your target was a Delta. They had no last will."

*It's obvious who.
"Your target was a detective. They had no last will."

This is what concerns me. A regular savage with no gamma role? A detective with no night 0 at least?

It seems like it could be easily forged. I could pretty much do same thing.


However the soft claimed vig is what also intrigues me along with mendez who buddies with him, we have plenty of daylight to figure out a train to go on but for now Thats my initial thoughts. I sadly have to head on would i volunteered for something at work and will be out for a fre hours. but latter today and orib all day tom I will be around

[FM Hopgood]

Soma is received at the start of the night and passed towards the end if passing it.

Got any plan for me?
2 jails would be nice for the town
It should be clear that I am not a devourer
And I can not be converted to savages

[FM Mason]

@Mason, I know your posting ad the chick from like late 80s Batman stuff. Is there anything important there?

Call me Harley, everyone does.

[FM Parker]

Call me Harley, everyone does.

Nah. I will call you Alfred. Harley is too obvious and you lack the punch?

Dunn lied about you pairing right? If so, I will put you in a hidden spot.

[FM Parker]

Got any plan for me?
2 jails would be nice for the town
It should be clear that I am not a devourer
And I can not be converted to savages

It would be but I have no way of confirming if you're town. I am rather suspicious of you. I cannot pass soma to a suspect unless desperate and we really need to lynch.

[FM Ferengi]

Do players that has claimed blackmailed get a feedback notice of being demoted?

No.

[FM Carruthers]

No.

Well, this explains everything.

[FM Parker]

@Carruthers, please put forth your suspects.

@Lichtmann, still working on claimers list.

[FM Parker]

FM Dunn (12 [L-0]): FM Ryan, FM Cafarelli, FM Ackerman, FM Mason, FM Fontaine, FM Leary, FM Parker (Mayor), FM Kalou, FM Black
FM Leary (8 [L-4]): FM Galloway, FM Rose, FM Lichtmann, FM Donnelly, FM Dunn, FM Mendez, FM Kelso, FM Chapman

Red maf, purple savage, orange possible scum
And why, tell me why, have we not lynched Galletta who's the most likely person to be blackmailer? And who did phelps block anyway, i think it's 9001% now that he's the consort.

I haven't paid much attention to individual speech and post patterns, but people who suddenly contributed less or became more vague after a certain night are likely to be town turned savages.

Interesting. Why Galloway as mafia Leary?

[FM Carruthers]

@Carruthers, Then you should be freaking out asking if the host messed up. There is no logical way the mafia would waste a DD on a delta. That doesn't happen. I think Carruthers is really scummy with this exchange. I will humor hm though. Who are your suspects Carruthers?

No offense, but please use basic logic. The question itself hints "host messed up", being a No is an automatic No to the host being messed up.
I have not been DD'd, and I have only given the feedback that I have received. I don't think it's relevant with a DD.
If I'm scummy, just lynch me. I'd rather not get converted, and it proves my role so that you all smartfaces can stop disbelieving me.

Those I suspect however is Leary, Mason, Lichtmann, Green, Fontaine, Donnelly. I will humor you by not saying why I suspect all those.



I admit that I'm a replacement however : The previous person asked to be replaced at Day 2, I was picked for replacement and a host error has caused the password to be wrong so I didn't get in until the very end of Day 2. Weeeeeee.

[FM Parker]

No offense, but please use basic logic. The question itself hints "host messed up", being a No is an automatic No to the host being messed up.
I have not been DD'd, and I have only given the feedback that I have received. I don't think it's relevant with a DD.
If I'm scummy, just lynch me. I'd rather not get converted, and it proves my role so that you all smartfaces can stop disbelieving me.

Those I suspect however is Leary, Mason, Lichtmann, Green, Fontaine, Donnelly. I will humor you by not saying why I suspect all those.



I admit that I'm a replacement however : The previous person asked to be replaced at Day 2, I was picked for replacement and a host error has caused the password to be wrong so I didn't get in until the very end of Day 2. Weeeeeee.

I would like to be "humored" and know why you suspect these people.

[FM Parker]

Can drugs impact actions that occur AFTER the drugging in the OoO?

[FM Parker]

All categories are usually abbreviated. AR = Any random. HABGD = Hidden Alpha/Beta/Gamma/Delta


Godfather - Unknown
Alive
Unclaimed


Drug Dealer - Buchwalter
Lynched - Day 5
Confirmed


Blackmailer - Unknown
Alive
Unclaimed


Consort - Unknown
Alive
Unclaimed


Consigliere - Unknown
Alive
Unclaimed


Kidnapper - Dunn
Dead
Lynched Day 6


Savage Godfather - Unknown
Alive
Unclaimed


Arsonist (NE) -Cohen
Dead
Lynched Day 3


Corrupt Journalist - Becket
Dead
Shot by Mafia Night 2


Hidden Epsilon - Unknown
Alive
Claim by Earle, unconfirmed


Mayor - Parker
Alive
Revealed Day 5


Mason Clubber - Black
Dead
Eaten Alive Night 7


Escort - Monroe
Dead
Eaten Alive Night 6


Architect - Gage
Dead
Shot Night 1


Investigator - Cafarelli
Dead
Shot Night 7


Detective - Bishop
Dead
Shot Night 2


Delta - McKelty
Dead
Lynched Night 1


Delta - Colmyer
Dead
Committed Suicide Night 4


Delta - Bekowsky
Dead
Shot Night 4


Delta/Savage Investigator - Ballard
Dead
Shot Night 4


Delta - Biggs
Dead
Lynched Day 4


Delta - Unknown
Alive
Claims Below Table


Delta - Unknown
Alive
Claims Below Table


Delta - Unknown
Alive
Claims Below Table


Delta - Unknown
Alive
Claims Below Table


Delta - Unknown
Alive
Claims Below Table


Witch (AR) - Unknown
Alive
Unclaimed


Bus Driver (HB) - Hogeboom
Dead
Shot Night 5


Investigative Role? (HABGD) - Morgan
Dead
Shot Night 4


Hidden ABGD - Disputed
Alive
Claims Below Table


Hidden ABGD - Disputed
Alive
Claims Below Table


Hidden ABGD - Disputed
Alive
Claims Below Table


Hidden ABGD - Disputed
Alive
Claims Below Table


Hidden ABGD - Disputed
Alive
Claims Below Table


Hidden ABGD - Disputed
Alive
Claims Below Table


Hidden ABGD - Disputed
Alive
Claims Below Table





HABGD Claims
Escort - Phelps
Jailor - Hopgood
Journalist? - Earlie
Lichtmann?
Chapman?
Delta Claims
Ackerman (with Vest)
Fontaine
Rose
Ryan




If you wish to add your claim, feel free to do so.

[FM Earle]

@FUCKING EARL VIST ME I WANT AN INTERVIEW!


Sorry man. You asked for it too late. No around in the final 24 hours.

Interview want, interview get. My hand is forced. If Earle still don't interview Lichtmann tonight, Earle might get lynched. And that is bad. Earle wants to survive until the end of the game.

Submitted interview. Earle the Corrupt Journalist bids all good luck.

[FM Carruthers]

I'm a Gamma Coroner, why am I not on the list?

[FM Parker]

I'm a Gamma Coroner, why am I not on the list?

Because I don't believe you but I am not 100% certain that you're scum. Plus, the fewer HABGD roles on the list, the more inclined people are to claim.

[FM Carruthers]

Because I don't believe you but I am not 100% certain that you're scum. Plus, the fewer HABGD roles on the list, the more inclined people are to claim.

Then lynch me and be over with all the claims. I have clarified that one savage that turned Investigator is actually a Citizen, the other a Delta. With the claim of Gamma Coroner and the evidence combined, a lynch on me is more preferable than disbelieving me and keeping me alive / chance to get savaged and evidence ignored.

[FM Parker]

Then lynch me and be over with all the claims. I have clarified that one savage that turned Investigator is actually a Citizen, the other a Delta. With the claim of Gamma Coroner and the evidence combined, a lynch on me is more preferable than disbelieving me and keeping me alive / chance to get savaged and evidence ignored.

I am not suggesting to lynch someone for evidence. We are in too dangerous of a situation to do that.

[FM Carruthers]

I am not suggesting to lynch someone for evidence. We are in too dangerous of a situation to do that.

Well, I'm dead weight anyway. I'm now a Delta with no night actions.

[FM Ferengi]

Can drugs impact actions that occur AFTER the drugging in the OoO?

Not exactly sure what you mean by this question. Drugged feedback will be inserted where the regular feedback would be inserted in PM order. Drug no feedback erases the feedback PM that was supposed to be sent to a player. Let me know if you have a follow up question since I'm not sure how to answer thsi.

[FM Parker]

Well, I'm dead weight anyway. I'm now a Delta with no night actions.

Quite a bit of the game is decided during the day, if we lynch the right targets, we can force the mafia and savages to kill each other.

[FM Earle]

Quite a bit of the game is decided during the day, if we lynch the right targets, we can force the mafia and savages to kill each other.

I don't you will want that.

[FM Carruthers]

Quite a bit of the game is decided during the day, if we lynch the right targets, we can force the mafia and savages to kill each other.

Or they can almost kill the town, getting close to a stalemate as they then would start killing each-others - lynch supported by the town.

This seems too easy, "forcing scum to kill each others and town wins."

[FM Earle]

Or they can almost kill the town, getting close to a stalemate as they then would start killing each-others - lynch supported by the town.

This seems too easy, "forcing scum to kill each others and town wins."

Only relevant for <10 players left. Too early for this.

[FM Parker]

Or they can almost kill the town, getting close to a stalemate as they then would start killing each-others - lynch supported by the town.

This seems too easy, "forcing scum to kill each others and town wins."

I never said the "forcing" part was easy to achieve. That's not going to happen until we dramatically weaken one faction. I don't really care which one. I'll just lynch confirmed scum when I find them. I don't really care if the Savage Investigators emerge and give us leads. If they are honest, I'll leave them alone.

[FM Earle]

I never said the "forcing" part was easy to achieve. That's not going to happen until we dramatically weaken one faction. I don't really care which one. I'll just lynch confirmed scum when I find them. I don't really care if the Savage Investigators emerge and give us leads. If they are honest, I'll leave them alone.

It won't happen with you discussing it out in the open.

Should say things like Mafia 2 Savage 0.

[FM Chapman]

Parker, do you think having me partially hidden is beneficial to the town ATM? I'm weighing the benefits of fully claiming.

[FM Parker]

Parker, do you think having me partially hidden is beneficial to the town ATM? I'm weighing the benefits of fully claiming.

You should claim. I'd like to resolve the Lichtmann issue. Plus, your vig claims/non-claims haven't been clear at all.

[FM Chapman]

If a member of the mafia or the savages would like to reveal and speak for your faction, the town would be inclined to side with you.

[FM Parker]

*cough*Chapman look up*cough*

[FM Chapman]

You should claim. I'd like to resolve the Lichtmann issue. Plus, your vig claims/non-claims haven't been clear at all.

Delta. I've been implying/soft claiming beta and vig in hopes to take a bullet from the start.

I tried to get Lichtmann lynched because I was sure he was scum and, being on my phone, couldn't investigate any other reads. Oh, and I'm still sure he's scum, so you may as well lynch him if you have no better leads.

[FM Chapman]

*cough*Chapman look up*cough*

*cough*i saw and was typing a response but im on my phone*cough*

[FM Parker]

Let's suppose Lichtmann has a magical cannot lynch me spell, who are your other scum reads?

[FM Chapman]

Phelps, Fontaine, Rose, Ryan, Kalou, Ackerman

[FM Parker]

Why?

[FM Ryan]

Our "delta" claims are no longer safe assumptions, because each and every one of us could be a savage as well. If not now, then later, because savages will most likely try to recruit one of us next night.

Siding with Savages sounds charming at first for deltas, but right now we will NOT follow such a course as long as there exists a chance to lynch Savage GF. Right, Miss Parker?

[FM Donnelly]

Hey guys. I hate to do this, but I have to go. I should be on later tonight. I just want to post one quick thing before I go.


Delta. I've been implying/soft claiming beta and vig in hopes to take a bullet from the start.

I tried to get Lichtmann lynched because I was sure he was scum and, being on my phone, couldn't investigate any other reads. Oh, and I'm still sure he's scum, so you may as well lynch him if you have no better leads.

This is pretty much what I expected, though I also suspected you were trying to draw the witch away from our claimed power roles. Though, come to think of it, we haven't seen any witched claims in a while.

[FM Parker]

Hey guys. I hate to do this, but I have to go. I should be on later tonight. I just want to post one quick thing before I go.



This is pretty much what I expected, though I also suspected you were trying to draw the witch away from our claimed power roles. Though, come to think of it, we haven't seen any witched claims in a while.

Night 5, the mafia Godfather was likely witched. I can't see the Mafia bussing me with Fontaine after receiving the soma. Doesn't make sense. The whole Earle business seemed to be a failsafe. Given the fact I would likely assume this, the Mafia GF will not claim.

Night 6, uncertain

Night 7, I think I know but I'm not going to tip that yet.

[FM Parker]

Our "delta" claims are no longer safe assumptions, because each and every one of us could be a savage as well. If not now, then later, because savages will most likely try to recruit one of us next night.

Siding with Savages sounds charming at first for deltas, but right now we will NOT follow such a course as long as there exists a chance to lynch Savage GF. Right, Miss Parker?

The Savages will likely recruit anyone who isn't an alpha/beta first. Then turn to deltas, supposing the enforcer doesn't block them. There's a lot riding on his shoulders. He's been pretty horrible so far though.

I got two messages, and I know which one is real. Neither claimed their identity though.

[FM Donnelly]

Night 5, the mafia Godfather was likely witched. I can't see the Mafia bussing me with Fontaine after receiving the soma. Doesn't make sense. The whole Earle business seemed to be a failsafe. Given the fact I would likely assume this, the Mafia GF will not claim.

Night 6, uncertain

Night 7, I think I know but I'm not going to tip that yet.

The thing is, if the witch found the gf night 5, why wouldn't she keep witching them? Wouldn't she want to make sure they don't kill her by choosing their targets for them?

[FM Parker]

The thing is, if the witch found the gf night 5, why wouldn't she keep witching them? Wouldn't she want to make sure they don't kill her by choosing their targets for them?

Not if the witch was reasonably certain not to get killed. Witch wins with mafia OR Savages. There is the possibility the witch hit the GF again night 6.

Given the fact I was drugged, I think the mafia deliberately hit Cafarelli. Then again, they could have intended to ally with Cafarelli... but I doubt it.

[FM Parker]

Our "delta" claims are no longer safe assumptions, because each and every one of us could be a savage as well. If not now, then later, because savages will most likely try to recruit one of us next night.

Siding with Savages sounds charming at first for deltas, but right now we will NOT follow such a course as long as there exists a chance to lynch Savage GF. Right, Miss Parker?

I could have the town go either way at this point. I'm going to recommend we lynch the person who is most likely scum at this point. If the Savages note isn't a load of crap, then the most likely target will be a mafia.

[FM Leary]

Interesting. Why Galloway as mafia Leary?

iirc he was pushing rlly hard against me. You asked him on his opinion and he was all aboard the lynch delta/savage train. Also i don't remember him being substantially useful or insightful. Post counts don't reflect the extent of your contribution nor the quality of it.

I see Donnelly and Kalou as the most likely town candidates, possibly Mendez. Their arguments were rather protown and actually went beyond touching the surface of the matters at hand.

[FM Parker]

iirc he was pushing rlly hard against me. You asked him on his opinion and he was all aboard the lynch delta/savage train. Also i don't remember him being substantially useful or insightful. Post counts don't reflect the extent of your contribution nor the quality of it.

I see Donnelly and Kalou as the most likely town candidates, possibly Mendez. Their arguments were rather protown and actually went beyond touching the surface of the matters at hand.

Sounds like original thinking at least.

To be clear, are you a Delta?

[FM Leary]

I could have the town go either way at this point. I'm going to recommend we lynch the person who is most likely scum at this point. If the Savages note isn't a load of crap, then the most likely target will be a mafia.

Phelps is more than confirmed mafia at this point. He's trying to stay out of gunfire since forever, since he probably is under the impression of slipping up really easily.
I'm still for hitting Savages first though, forcing them to take steps against mafia, which in turn, forces mafia to concern themselves with the savages first and foremost. If we equalize the 2 scum factions now they'll probably turn the town into a shooting galeria first, before they start to campaign (almost) openly against the other faction.
Or at least that's how it should be for scum:
eliminate the town, get town to lynch the opposing faction + nightkilling them to get the upper hand in terms of faction member numbers.

[FM Parker]

Phelps is more than confirmed mafia at this point. He's trying to stay out of gunfire since forever, since he probably is under the impression of slipping up really easily.
I'm still for hitting Savages first though, forcing them to take steps against mafia, which in turn, forces mafia to concern themselves with the savages first and foremost. If we equalize the 2 scum factions now they'll probably turn the town into a shooting galeria first, before they start to campaign (almost) openly against the other faction.
Or at least that's how it should be for scum:
eliminate the town, get town to lynch the opposing faction + nightkilling them to get the upper hand in terms of faction member numbers.

The problem is Leary, you're still the strongest savage lead. Why the hell were you FoSing me on Day 4?

Who do you believe is a savage?

Are you a delta?

[FM Leary]

Sounds like original thinking at least.

To be clear, are you a Delta?
I openly thought that was clear as day, deltas at the start of FMs are fucking lame to play. ALso i'm not up for rereading a million times and going for specific post reads when u have more than 100 pages to read.
Also to reiterate the point i mentioned a few days ago, as well as today: People who drastically change their activeness / playstyle, are most likely scared/converted scum.
Phelps seems extremely scared at this point. Iirc he dodged the matters regarding Dunn, which seems like a low class scum play, who doesn't know how to attack their own teammembers in day chat, in order to derail suspicion about his own, actual faction.

[FM Leary]

The problem is Leary, you're still the strongest savage lead. Why the hell were you FoSing me on Day 4?

Who do you believe is a savage?

Are you a delta?

I already told you, you sometimes make trash decisions and reads. I dislike, no, I seriously hate people who act or are actually dumb as hell.

And to clear this point : I am delta

[FM Carruthers]

There's only space for 4 Delta's.

[FM Leary]

The problem with savages is that they are sneaky as fuck, which only gives me the option to read them as being unsubstantial in their posts.
I'd say Ackerman and Fontaine are good suspects, possibly Mason.
Did they ever post anything noteworthy? I don't remember a single time. Oh ye, don't forget hopgood. He might be savaged, might have been/is a jailor, but his vote on mason yesterday seems like a dumb move. Again, i don't remember him posting anything or contributing to scumhunting.

[FM Parker]

There's only space for 4 Delta's.

Actually, there's room for five. If your claim is legit, it's not counted against the deltas. Also, HABGDs could be Deltas.

[FM Carruthers]

Actually, there's room for five. If your claim is legit, it's not counted against the deltas. Also, HABGDs could be Deltas.

There's too many delta claims in my opinion and at least 1/3 of those claims are all scum trying to hide.

I want to ask you of a request, please grab the Role List in the first post and add roles / names of claims.
Include my Coroner claim and that one is Citizen (converted) and another a Delta (converted).

You're going to see that there's too many claims.



Role List:
Godfather
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Evil Neutral]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]

[FM Parker]

While I agree that some delta claims are scum trying to hide, adding Ballard, there's room for five. I'm not adding Morgan because I don't trust you.

[FM Carruthers]

I don't trust you.

While this is getting old, I'm close to reclaiming BM for a suicide for a role confirmation.

[FM Parker]

While this is getting old, I'm close to reclaiming BM for a suicide for a role confirmation.

You wouldn't suicide unless you were blackmailed again. If you reclaim, it confirms either you or Mason as scum.

[FM Carruthers]

You wouldn't suicide unless you were blackmailed again. If you reclaim, it confirms either you or Mason as scum.

Opps, I re-read the rolecard, I thought it only counted towards claiming BM in general. Although, I did claim being BM'd when I were so I was demoted from being a town Coroner.

I'm too lazy to read up, is it allowed to suicide? Lol.

[FM Carruthers]

Nevermind, I found it in the FAQ. It's highly frowned on, sooooo that's out of question.

[FM Parker]

@Carruthers, don't take it personal. I don't trust anybody who isn't a corpse at the moment.

[FM Ackerman]

You could have been drugged since they decided to kill our investigator tonight instead of drugging him.

Mayor was clearly drugged. FoS Rose (Savage Godfather)?, but Lynch Phelps first.

[FM Carruthers]

@Carruthers, don't take it personal. I don't trust anybody who isn't a corpse at the moment.

Your trust is not an issue, it's basically the trust of everyone. I've counted that half the game lacks a trust towards me.

[FM Rose]

Mayor was clearly drugged. FoS Rose (Savage Godfather)?, but Lynch Phelps first.

Why can't i be the normal godfather?

[FM Carruthers]

Why can't i be the normal godfather?

Is that a softclaim of being a possible mafia member taking the lynch for the GF?

[FM Rose]

Nvm, ackerman is mafia so he knows who the normal godfather is.

[FM Rose]

Is that a softclaim of being a possible mafia member taking the lynch for the GF?

My invest pairing has been confirmed by the investigator. Im a delta/godfather/savage godfather.

[FM Parker]

I'm going to wait on Phelps before making any decision regarding him. There is a slim chance he could be an escort. Unlikely though.

@Rose, I was definitely drugged. I received two soma letters. I'm also waiting on my soma recipient to confirm... but that person might not be able to.

[FM Kalou]

Opps, I re-read the rolecard, I thought it only counted towards claiming BM in general. Although, I did claim being BM'd when I were so I was demoted from being a town Coroner.

I'm too lazy to read up, is it allowed to suicide? Lol.

No, likely you'll just get replAced.

And actuallu, there are a lot more possible deltas, arent there? Hidden abdg? Right?

[FM Hopgood]

Do you think its possible that the mason clubber passed you the soma? And there is no enforcer at all?

[FM Kalou]

If the mayor received soma, then it has to be from another alpha or from another. Black couldnt have passed it, as he would have been dead in OoO

[FM Parker]

Do you think its possible that the mason clubber passed you the soma? And there is no enforcer at all?

I will not confirm nor deny the existence of an enforcer as the masons asked me not to.

[FM Parker]

Your trust is not an issue, it's basically the trust of everyone. I've counted that half the game lacks a trust towards me.

Half the group will also sheep me.

[FM Kalou]

I will not confirm nor deny the existence of an enforcer as the masons asked me not to.

Couple things:
I never found monroes explanationon that made bishop the writer
I never saw galletas fos by caff? But she does talk a lot less?
Which claims do you believe the most?
Carruthers
Leary
Hopgood
Ackermann

[FM Parker]

Couple things:
I never found monroes explanationon that made bishop the writer
I never saw galletas fos by caff? But she does talk a lot less?
Which claims do you believe the most?
Carruthers
Leary
Hopgood
Ackermann

Wait... I have to pick one to believe.... oh jeez. Pass. If I have to pick one to believe the least, I'd say Ackerman.

I'll try and grab Monroe's explanation for you later.

[FM Parker]

I also know their are logical thinkers in the savages and in the mafia. The mafia tried to kill me and made a plan in case I lived. That shows multi-step thinking. As for the savage death note, that note was written by an analyzer.

[FM Galloway]

I'm here. I've read and caught up.
Leary just said he never paid any attention to anyone's posts in the game. (Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=330049&viewfull=1#post330049))
Wanna go ahead and point out his hypocrisy right now (Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=330159&viewfull=1#post330159))

I have been active and useful the entire game. I have given thoughts tried pushing others to give theirs. I've called out people on their idiocy. I've butted heads with everyone to ensure everyone has a good variety of posts to get reads from. Town needs a KPN gone and fast in order to win here. I see that and I follow that path because thats the path thats gonna lead us to victory. Not peddling after a claimed kidnapper and keeping the KPN at 2 for another day. Dunn was the safe lynch for sure but town isn't even in anywhere close to a safe position in order to go after safe lynches.


There were a good variety of other targets that were close to being as scummy as Dunn was and each of them were not mafia based on their post and behaviors in the day. Since their actions could not really be called town I went after the biggest one of them all, Leary based on his connections to dead Savages and a very unlikely claim from Hopgood, who claimed jailor and was also connected to dead savages. If you had paided any attention you'd have seen that I was questioning a good mix of people yesterday and I didn't focus on just Leary.




Today has been interesting I suppose. I believe I am in the know on what the Mayor got in soma message and I see what he is wishing to accomplish here so I'll keep silent on that matter till things get revealed. Additionally I believe Mason is not blackmailed because of Carrthurs. One of them is more likely to be scum because of this. Based on my recent investigations into the blackmailor rolecard he could not blackmail last night and thus Mason would have to be lying and faking it if CArrthurs was telling us the truth.

[FM Galloway]

*I was witched

[FM Lichtmann]

I also know their are logical thinkers in the savages and in the mafia. The mafia tried to kill me and made a plan in case I lived. That shows multi-step thinking. As for the savage death note, that note was written by an analyzer.

Im back and i saw your list. im gonna revise it and add in all the laive roles so we can slot what we think with what and go from there. Give me a few mins, as of other things. I think that both mafia and savages know that if they kill you, the town will most certainly lose but the remainsin towns will just rally up to make sure that that side that killed you will lose.

How i see it parker is that you are the balance that keeps them afloat. If either faction kills you, the town will go after the faction that killed you becasue you are really they straw that can only allow town to win. Both sides know that killing you will ensure their demise. Really the mayor has became a double edged sword for both sides.

[FM Parker]

I'm here. I've read and caught up.
Leary just said he never paid any attention to anyone's posts in the game. (Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=330049&viewfull=1#post330049))
Wanna go ahead and point out his hypocrisy right now (Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=330159&viewfull=1#post330159))

I have been active and useful the entire game. I have given thoughts tried pushing others to give theirs. I've called out people on their idiocy. I've butted heads with everyone to ensure everyone has a good variety of posts to get reads from. Town needs a KPN gone and fast in order to win here. I see that and I follow that path because thats the path thats gonna lead us to victory. Not peddling after a claimed kidnapper and keeping the KPN at 2 for another day. Dunn was the safe lynch for sure but town isn't even in anywhere close to a safe position in order to go after safe lynches.


There were a good variety of other targets that were close to being as scummy as Dunn was and each of them were not mafia based on their post and behaviors in the day. Since their actions could not really be called town I went after the biggest one of them all, Leary based on his connections to dead Savages and a very unlikely claim from Hopgood, who claimed jailor and was also connected to dead savages. If you had paided any attention you'd have seen that I was questioning a good mix of people yesterday and I didn't focus on just Leary.




Today has been interesting I suppose. I believe I am in the know on what the Mayor got in soma message and I see what he is wishing to accomplish here so I'll keep silent on that matter till things get revealed. Additionally I believe Mason is not blackmailed because of Carrthurs. One of them is more likely to be scum because of this. Based on my recent investigations into the blackmailer rolecard he could not blackmail last night and thus Mason would have to be lying and faking it if CArrthurs was telling us the truth.

My understanding is that a town PR role who gets demoted has that happen at the start of the day. Then the blackmailer is free to blackmail at his OoO point.

Galloway, I have no idea what your talking about being in the know but I'm glad you're keeping it to yourself as not to confuse the town/mafia/savages.

Also, you were witched... not the claim I was expecting at all.

[FM Parker]

Im back and i saw your list. im gonna revise it and add in all the laive roles so we can slot what we think with what and go from there. Give me a few mins, as of other things. I think that both mafia and savages know that if they kill you, the town will most certainly lose but the remainsin towns will just rally up to make sure that that side that killed you will lose.

How i see it parker is that you are the balance that keeps them afloat. If either faction kills you, the town will go after the faction that killed you becasue you are really they straw that can only allow town to win. Both sides know that killing you will ensure their demise. Really the mayor has became a double edged sword for both sides.

That is my understanding as well.

[FM Lichtmann]

*I was witched

This is surprising.....

That would mean the mafia acted on their own will

[FM Kalou]

Wait... I have to pick one to believe.... oh jeez. Pass. If I have to pick one to believe the least, I'd say Ackerman.

I'll try and grab Monroe's explanation for you later.

Claims, you can pick more than one.

And thanks

[FM Parker]

This is surprising.....

That would mean the mafia acted on their own will

That is accurate here. I don't see why the witch would move the GF repeatedly. Twice is sufficient to confirm the GF. On night 5, I'm proceeding under the assumption that the GF was witched. I should have been a corpse and that Earle was the backup plan.

@Kalou, still pass. They all are somewhat sketchy.

[FM Kalou]

I'm here. I've read and caught up.
Leary just said he never paid any attention to anyone's posts in the game. (Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=330049&viewfull=1#post330049))
Wanna go ahead and point out his hypocrisy right now (Post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20624-Day-7?p=330159&viewfull=1#post330159))

I have been active and useful the entire game. I have given thoughts tried pushing others to give theirs. I've called out people on their idiocy. I've butted heads with everyone to ensure everyone has a good variety of posts to get reads from. Town needs a KPN gone and fast in order to win here. I see that and I follow that path because thats the path thats gonna lead us to victory. Not peddling after a claimed kidnapper and keeping the KPN at 2 for another day. Dunn was the safe lynch for sure but town isn't even in anywhere close to a safe position in order to go after safe lynches.


There were a good variety of other targets that were close to being as scummy as Dunn was and each of them were not mafia based on their post and behaviors in the day. Since their actions could not really be called town I went after the biggest one of them all, Leary based on his connections to dead Savages and a very unlikely claim from Hopgood, who claimed jailor and was also connected to dead savages. If you had paided any attention you'd have seen that I was questioning a good mix of people yesterday and I didn't focus on just Leary.




Today has been interesting I suppose. I believe I am in the know on what the Mayor got in soma message and I see what he is wishing to accomplish here so I'll keep silent on that matter till things get revealed. Additionally I believe Mason is not blackmailed because of Carrthurs. One of them is more likely to be scum because of this. Based on my recent investigations into the blackmailor rolecard he could not blackmail last night and thus Mason would have to be lying and faking it if CArrthurs was telling us the truth.

Ithought carruthers claimed deugged yesterday as he is still a coroner?

[FM Ferengi]

Announcement:

If you are reading this and you want to be a replacement, please PM me immediately. Otherwise, we will start resorting to modkills on AFK players.

FM Galletta is at risk of modkill at the end of today if we can not find a replacement.

[FM Lichtmann]

Godfather - Unknown Alive Unclaimed
Blackmailer - Unknown Alive Unclaimed
Consort - Unknown Alive Unclaimed
Consigliere - Unknown Alive Unclaimed
Savage Godfather - Unknown Alive Unclaimed
Hidden Epsilon - Unknown Alive Claim by Earle, unconfirmed
Delta - Unknown Alive Claims Below Table
Delta - Unknown Alive Claims Below Table
Delta - Unknown Alive Claims Below Table
Delta - Unknown Alive Claims Below Table
Delta - Unknown Alive Claims Below Table
Witch (AR) - Unknown Alive Unclaimed
Hidden ABGD - Disputed Alive Claims Below Table
Hidden ABGD - Disputed Alive Claims Below Table
Hidden ABGD - Disputed Alive Claims Below Table
Hidden ABGD - Disputed Alive Claims Below Table
Hidden ABGD - Disputed Alive Claims Below Table
Hidden ABGD - Disputed Alive Claims Below Table
Hidden ABGD - Disputed Alive (phelps on

HABGD Claims
Escort - Phelps
Jailor - Hopgood
Journalist? - Earlie
Lichtmann?
Chapman? Delta Claims
Ackerman (with Vest)
Fontaine
Rose
Ryan



role list
FM Ackerman
FM Carruthers
FM Chapman
FM Donnelly
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Mendez
FM Parker
FM Phelps
FM Rose
FM Ryan


i can make all those boxes.... but i added a role list i think it would help if we all compiled a list of who we think is the scums and slot them

I would like to hear from mendez she blindly sheeped with our delta vig onto me

[FM Kalou]

That is accurate here. I don't see why the witch would move the GF repeatedly. Twice is sufficient to confirm the GF. On night 5, I'm proceeding under the assumption that the GF was witched. I should have been a corpse and that Earle was the backup plan.

@Kalou, still pass. They all are somewhat sketchy.

Earle, the backup plan? LOL what?

[FM Lichtmann]

Announcement:

If you are reading this and you want to be a replacement, please PM me immediately. Otherwise, we will start resorting to modkills on AFK players.

FM Galletta is at risk of modkill at the end of today if we can not find a replacement.


interesting......

We are late in game so any modkills can make drastic changes but really the only role i can see that would be in a modkill position right now is maybe a delta...

[FM Lichtmann]

will modkilled roles be revealed?

[FM Kalou]

Forgot drug dealer

And host blew the theory that galletta is bmer...

[FM Mendez]

Hey guys, nothing happened to me last night.


The death notes from last night are clear. Mafia and Savages are going to work to kill town. Also from the Savage death note,


...If you happen to find me or my boss, or if I'm the only savage left...
...But I will tell you that I have two more to recruit, so killing me won't get this big suicide that you all are hoping for...
They are constantly hinting at having only 2 members.

They attempted conversions until night 6. This means they attempted 5 conversions, roleblock could be possible and we are
certain that they successfully converted 2 players and the dn hints at a third convert, which makes sense. So for two nights Savages failed to recruit. Parker is obviously one of the recruits, I suspect Black may be the other which explains the Savage kill.

Going to post my thoughts in your quote in white to prevent confusion.

That's good question, Kalou. I'll try to put on my guesses.

FM Ackerman - As he was not roleblocked, I believe he could be either a citizen or possible godfather, assuming that Earle is indeed Corrupt Journalist Ackerman is my guess for Godfather. He has claimed a vest from n1 as well
FM Carruthers - I know nothing about this guy yet, so we should make him talk some more. I don't believe his Coroner claim where there are no Janitors This isn't sc2mafia. His lack of last wills until Ballard seem faked.
FM Chapman - Vigilante does not exist! Who is he then? Claimed Delta trying to take a hit. Most likely true
FM Donnelly - Looks like town role to me I'd say its clear he is not Savage from the death note. Unconfirmed if town or not
FM Earle - He just admitted that he is not town. In addition to that, he could also be already converted by Savages. Earle is trying to wifom. It is possible, but he is claiming Corrupt Journalist to prevent Savages from targeting him. If they target him he loses his Journalist ability if he is truly a corrupt journalist.
FM Fontaine - Possible scum, either Savage of Mafia. Need more readings, though. Claimed Delta without pressure if I recall, a scummy thing to do.
FM Galletta - Blackmailer 100%, Cafarelli confirmed. Or he could be also the Witch (in the same pairing) Cafarelli posted that Galletta was the blackmailer, but not that she checked her and found the pairing. If i'm wrong please let me know. I do think Galletta is Mafia
FM Galloway - A trusted town member, according to Parker I can believe it because of Parkers Soma tell
FM Green - Possible Witch Wrote the article and posted badly yesterday. I can't get a read other than bad player.
FM Hopgood - Jailor or a lying Savage Unsure about Hopgood. I believe he is Jailor though
FM Kalou - Semms pro-town player to me, unfortulately I'm not sure about his role Lurked hard at start of game and has become a lot better.
FM Kelso - I don't have any information about him yet
FM Leary - Either citizen or possible Sagave Godfather Could lean either way, definitely suspect
FM Lichtmann - Claimed to be blackmailed. So he is mot mafia, but can be still a savage Where did he claim blackmail? Post # please.
FM Mason - Now that Clubber is dead, I strong believe that this guy is noting more than a ordinary Savage Hard to read him since he hasn't contributed anything. Could just be trolling as citizen.
FM Mendez - Who is he? Never remember him talking too much. Could be a lurking Mafia or Witch Surprised you haven't seen me in the chat. Perhaps read my post history.
FM Parker - Our trustworthy (sic) Mayor
FM Phelps - Escort/Consort. I believe Phelps is a Consort. As a matter of fact, she chose to roleblock me instead of Ackerman There were three escort before Monroe died. Until Phelps arrives, we can't be sure if he roleblocked you or someone else.
FM Rose - Cafarelli said that she could be delta, but after that vote on Leary I now believe that she could be Mafia Godfather I agree with this. Cafarelli wouldn't lie about the investigative pairing and Rose has been lurking most of the game.
FM Ryan - I am still a delta, nothing more. I was not converted by Savages. Phelps should confirm that I was roleblocked tonight. I don't like that you revealed yourself without any pressure. It's a sign that you want attention taken off of you.



I'm going to wait on Phelps before making any decision regarding him. There is a slim chance he could be an escort. Unlikely though.

@Rose, I was definitely drugged. I received two soma letters. I'm also waiting on my soma recipient to confirm... but that person might not be able to.
Phelps is suspicious for not following the roleblock plan for last night. I am waiting on his post before voting him. He has yet to be counterclaimed or killed. If Mafia's consort was still hidden, then we would expect them to attack Phelps.

Do you plan on posting the Soma letters? Also, I don't think it's a good idea for you to post who you are planning to give Soma to, it makes them targets. I just read Galloways post and it negates a theory I had about the Witch finding the GF. I suspected since Parker hasn't claimed Witched then that Witch was not stealing Parkers soma because he already had control over the Mafia kill. Witching Galloway makes no sense to me, except confirming that Mafia killed Caf by themselves.

@Lichtmann, blindly sheeping is the wrong word for being suspicious of one of the scummiest players. I still am unsure what you need to be interviewed for that you can't say in day chat. It just wastes the journalists ability of giving anonymous feedback.

[FM Mendez]

will modkilled roles be revealed?

I would hope so....

[FM Lichtmann]

Forgot drug dealer

And host blew the theory that galletta is bmer...

Not 100% yet. i wonder....

Can godfather submit night actions for afk mafias? Can other mafias submit night actions for other memebers if afked? Same for savages

Remember Yayaps fm where I think it was count drac was modkilled and he was consig? He allowed the mafia to submit his night actions. If same hold true for this fm, then its not over yet.

[FM Kalou]

@mendez
I am a different person then day 2-4 of me. My day 1claim supports this

And i now agree with mendez's thing on lichtmann. My theory doesnt hold up, and can see no reason for wasting it, except if you scum claim and deny it in day chat

[FM Lichtmann]

@FM Mendez The reason i say blindly sheeping is because he voted me, we had 2 trains going on and yo decided to take 3rd wheel and say hey let me vote the one thats not a train.

also you forget to post about FM Kelso

[FM Parker]

@Kalou, I am supposing the mafia tried to kill me N5. In the case I didn't die, they drugged Earle. Earle was, and still is, quite annoying. His claim of journalist is probably the only thing that prevented him from being lynched.

@Mendez, I would have been an excellent target for witching. However, since the mafia gave me false feedback they could not have blanked my feedback. If Galleta was legitimately roleblocked night 1, then she could not have been the blackmailer. Otherwise, we have a lying Galleta, a drugged McKelty and two drug dealers from the start. If they had two from the start, it makes much more sense to drug roleblocks.

@All, Do Follow Lichtmann's advice. I'm holding my own thoughts back to prevent mayor sheeping.

[FM Parker]

@Lichtmann/Mendez, I don't like him being Godfather. I like him as student Drug Dealer better. Ackerman was swapped with Colmyer who was blackmailed. The swapper was a bus driver. That suggests as of night 3 Ackerman was not mafia.

[FM Leary]

Sooo, if we hammer early we get a free modkill on Galleta? Did i understand that correctly?
I'm all for smashing Phelps right now then. He is 100% consort in my eyes

[FM Mendez]

@mendez
I am a different person then day 2-4 of me. My day 1claim supports this

And i now agree with mendez's thing on lichtmann. My theory doesnt hold up, and can see no reason for wasting it, except if you scum claim and deny it in day chat
I was curious why you kept defending it. I assumed you knew something I didn't.


@FM Mendez The reason i say blindly sheeping is because he voted me, we had 2 trains going on and yo decided to take 3rd wheel and say hey let me vote the one thats not a train.

also you forget to post about FM Kelso
I am unsure about Kelso. I would need to reread through his posts.

I did not vote you yesterday if thats what you are saying. I started on Dunn and switched to Leary to keep the votes at L-4 after someone put Dunn at L-3 to prevent scum from ending day early... I did say you were suspicious though.

[FM Parker]

Then again, there's nothing stopping Ackerman from being the savage Godfather.

[FM Kalou]

@Kalou, I am supposing the mafia tried to kill me N5. In the case I didn't die, they drugged Earle. Earle was, and still is, quite annoying. His claim of journalist is probably the only thing that prevented him from being lynched.

@Mendez, I would have been an excellent target for witching. However, since the mafia gave me false feedback they could not have blanked my feedback. If Galleta was legitimately roleblocked night 1, then she could not have been the blackmailer. Otherwise, we have a lying Galleta, a drugged McKelty and two drug dealers from the start. If they had two from the start, it makes much more sense to drug roleblocks.

@All, Do Follow Lichtmann's advice. I'm holding my own thoughts back to prevent mayor sheeping.

Mafia started with two dds, is the theory i agree with

[FM Lichtmann]

I was curious why you kept defending it. I assumed you knew something I didn't.


I am unsure about Kelso. I would need to reread through his posts.

I did not vote you yesterday if thats what you are saying. I started on Dunn and switched to Leary to keep the votes at L-4 after someone put Dunn at L-3 to prevent scum from ending day early... I did say you were suspicious though.

Fair enough.

Im gonna go find the list that parker made and quote it so i can have the boxes and start slotting some names. Im gonna be a bad role guesser so i'm just gonna leave those

*goes to finds posts*

[FM Leary]

Then again, there's nothing stopping Ackerman from being the savage Godfather.

Ackerman's actions fall into the same category as Buchwalters in terms of usefulness so far.

[FM Mendez]

@Lichtmann/Mendez, I don't like him being Godfather. I like him as student Drug Dealer better. Ackerman was swapped with Colmyer who was blackmailed. The swapper was a bus driver. That suggests as of night 3 Ackerman was not mafia.

That is an interesting theory. Cafarelli claimed feedback blocked so the possibility of a fake bus drug aren't possible.

@Kalou, if mafia started with two DD's then they cant have a consort or consig
2 dd list
Godfather
Buchwalter - DD
2nd DD
Consort - Phelps?
Blackmailer - Confirmed
Consig - ?

[FM Kalou]

That is an interesting theory. Cafarelli claimed feedback blocked so the possibility of a fake bus drug aren't possible.

@Kalou, if mafia started with two DD's then they cant have a consort or consig
2 dd list
Godfather
Buchwalter - DD
2nd DD
Consort - Phelps?
Blackmailer - Confirmed
Consig - ?

Gf
Dd
Dd
Kidnapper
Blackmailer
Consort or consig.
Probs consort

[FM Parker]

That is an interesting theory. Cafarelli claimed feedback blocked so the possibility of a fake bus drug aren't possible.

@Kalou, if mafia started with two DD's then they cant have a consort or consig
2 dd list
Godfather
Buchwalter - DD
2nd DD
Consort - Phelps?
Blackmailer - Confirmed
Consig - ?

Your list forgets Dunn.

I think we have

Godfather
Consigliere
Drug Dealer -Buchwalter
Kidnapper - Dunn
Consort - Probably Phelps
Blackmailer

Student - Drug Dealer

Hidden Escort somewhere

[FM Parker]

Gf
Dd
Dd
Kidnapper
Blackmailer
Consort or consig.
Probs consort

This is theoretically possible. Yet, how do you explain the mafia NEVER hitting a Delta.

[FM Mendez]

Your list forgets Dunn.

I think we have

Godfather
Consigliere
Drug Dealer -Buchwalter
Kidnapper - Dunn
Consort - Probably Phelps
Blackmailer

Student - Drug Dealer

Hidden Escort somewhere
Right, not sure why I didn't place Dunn.

This seems more likely than Kalous because of the accuracy of the Mafia kills and the kill of Becket and Morgan. Savage pairing
Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer

The only non PR kill mafia hit was Bekowsky.

[FM Hopgood]

@Kalou, I am supposing the mafia tried to kill me N5. In the case I didn't die, they drugged Earle. Earle was, and still is, quite annoying. His claim of journalist is probably the only thing that prevented him from being lynched.

@Mendez, I would have been an excellent target for witching. However, since the mafia gave me false feedback they could not have blanked my feedback. If Galleta was legitimately roleblocked night 1, then she could not have been the blackmailer. Otherwise, we have a lying Galleta, a drugged McKelty and two drug dealers from the start. If they had two from the start, it makes much more sense to drug roleblocks.

@All, Do Follow Lichtmann's advice. I'm holding my own thoughts back to prevent mayor sheeping.
Who was blackmailed night 1 then? If she was roleblocked night 1, and there is no blackmail then she is the blackmailer

[FM Parker]

Who was blackmailed night 1 then? If she was roleblocked night 1, and there is no blackmail then she is the blackmailer

I believe it was McKelty. We lynched him so he wasn't around to refute. Also, notice the distinct lack of blacksmith claims. I doubt Ackerman is sitting on a pile of vests right now.

[FM Parker]

I believe the hit on Bekowsky was witched, rather than deliberate Mafia doing.

[FM Mendez]

So that Phelps has more reason to post
FM Phelps

@Parker, if the Witch had found the Godfather, then he wouldnt have targeted Galloway last night. Also, remember the Mafia killed twice that night. Bekowsky and Ballard

[FM Ferengi]

will modkilled roles be revealed?

Yes.


Can godfather submit night actions for afk mafias? Can other mafias submit night actions for other memebers if afked? Same for savages

Yes, yes, and yes.


Sooo, if we hammer early we get a free modkill on Galleta?

He has until the 48 hours of day are up to post or for us to find a replacement.

[FM Parker]

So that Phelps has more reason to post
FM Phelps

@Parker, if the Witch had found the Godfather, then he wouldnt have targeted Galloway last night. Also, remember the Mafia killed twice that night. Bekowsky and Ballard

Not necessarily. I also think Galloway isn't a "high value" target unlike Cafarelli who was essentially guiding me (arguably). Cafarelli could have also said Drug Dealer category... and gotten an almost certain lynch. What is Galloway going to do other than cause drama that might help or might hurt? Galloway and I also butt heads a lot. He's not a high value target at all.

[FM Parker]

So that Phelps has more reason to post
FM Phelps

@Parker, if the Witch had found the Godfather, then he wouldnt have targeted Galloway last night. Also, remember the Mafia killed twice that night. Bekowsky and Ballard

Also keep in mind that the witch is more interested winning with either side than controlling kills. Controlling the GF gets the witch nothing if the Savage Godfather screws it up and kills the witch.

[FM Kalou]

This is theoretically possible. Yet, how do you explain the mafia NEVER hitting a Delta.

Never thought about it. But didnt caff and the one poisoned dude claim dd? There has to be 2
That means consig, and phelps is legit

[FM Parker]

Never thought about it. But didnt caff and the one poisoned dude claim dd? There has to be 2
That means consig, and phelps is legit

Cohen took back his claim of drug dealt. It was a failed gambit by the Arsonist.

[FM Mendez]

Not necessarily. I also think Galloway isn't a "high value" target unlike Cafarelli who was essentially guiding me (arguably). Cafarelli could have also said Drug Dealer category... and gotten an almost certain lynch. What is Galloway going to do other than cause drama that might help or might hurt? Galloway and I also butt heads a lot. He's not a high value target at all.

I agree, he has just been butting heads with everyone which is why im curious why he was witched. I have an opinion on why he was targeted now but I'll keep it to myself for now.

[FM Parker]

I agree, he has just been butting heads with everyone which is why im curious why he was witched. I have an opinion on why he was targeted now but I'll keep it to myself for now.

My opinion as well, but I think I've learned something from it.

By your vote on Phelps, I take it you're in favor of lynching the consort rather than going for the savage Godfather?

[FM Kalou]

Student dd it is then.
Ackerman doesnt strike me specifically as the student however. His sheep on mckelty day one after someone called out that any more voters on mckelty w/o reason is just scummy sheeping

[FM Mason]

I'll show ya! I'll pull a big heist all by myself and I'll be laughing atcha, ya hear?Ha ha, Laughing!

[FM Kalou]

My opinion as well, but I think I've learned something from it.

By your vote on Phelps, I take it you're in favor of lynching the consort rather than going for the savage Godfather?

We have NO idea who savage gf is, and he(or minion??) told us it wouldnt be beneficial to get him.
Unless you have further evidence that you think its leary

[FM Parker]

Student dd it is then.
Ackerman doesnt strike me specifically as the student however. His sheep on mckelty day one after someone called out that any more voters on mckelty w/o reason is just scummy sheeping

Ackerman strikes me as the student because of his rapid shift towards Cafarelli being scum. People were shifting AWAY from that train of thought or they had it all along. I think he's the only one who did that 180. Plus, he did that 180 on Day 4. Day 3 he has one post. Day 2 he's swearing Cafarelli was town.

It smells like savaged or student to me.

@Kalou, why so aggressive on this? I'll take it you're for the lynch of mafia as well.

[FM Mendez]

Also keep in mind that the witch is more interested winning with either side than controlling kills. Controlling the GF gets the witch nothing if the Savage Godfather screws it up and kills the witch.

A Witch would want to prevent either faction from accidently killing him. So controlling the GF makes sense to me. Also, I would much rather weaken Mafia and force them to attack Savages later on. We can't afford a mislynch right now.

@Kalou, I hope you didn't believe the Savages deathnote. They have no reason to tell the truth. Killing the Savage GF would most definitely be beneficial to us.

[FM Parker]

A Witch would want to prevent either faction from accidently killing him. So controlling the GF makes sense to me. Also, I would much rather weaken Mafia and force them to attack Savages later on. We can't afford a mislynch right now.

@Kalou, I hope you didn't believe the Savages deathnote. They have no reason to tell the truth. Killing the Savage GF would most definitely be beneficial to us.

This is precisely why I'm not sure on Phelps. I'd rather hear from Phelps on who he roleblocked.

[FM Mason]

This is precisely why I'm not sure on Phelps. I'd rather hear from Phelps on who he roleblocked.

I want to listen to the radio!

[FM Galloway]

Not necessarily. I also think Galloway isn't a "high value" target unlike Cafarelli who was essentially guiding me (arguably). Cafarelli could have also said Drug Dealer category... and gotten an almost certain lynch. What is Galloway going to do other than cause drama that might help or might hurt? Galloway and I also butt heads a lot. He's not a high value target at all.

I've done tons to help town. -_-
I have done more than butt heads. Thats just my main thing.


I agree, he has just been butting heads with everyone which is why im curious why he was witched. I have an opinion on why he was targeted now but I'll keep it to myself for now.

I have one as well. Witch is picking up on things I've said and decided I was worth more under her thumb than on my own.


My opinion as well, but I think I've learned something from it.

By your vote on Phelps, I take it you're in favor of lynching the consort rather than going for the savage Godfather?

Everyone is going to take the safe lynch over the risk.

At this moment its just pressure, which im in favor of.

Phelps has been really scummy all game so FM Phelps because of this and the fact that I don't believe there are more than two roleblockers and one has to be scum as the other is dead escort.

[FM Parker]

If I'm understanding you right then, your theory is

Godfather
Drug Dealer
Drug Dealer
Blackmailer
Kidnapper
Consort

Oh Galloway, we love you. You're like the crazy drunk uncle who gets everyone to join a greek house to open up and be honest about just how crazy our uncle is.

[FM Leary]

For the record: Nothing happened to me on any given night this FM.

[FM Kalou]

I didnt catch the shift, though i might if i reread the chats. Im actually in favor of lynching the gf, but all we have is shaky circumstantial evidence.

Ill stop believing the savage death note if they kill again. Now that the clubber is dead, they shouldnt be as afraid to recruit. If the savages kill again however, ill be in favor of giving the win to the mafia.

[FM Kalou]

And with that...

fm ackerman

[FM Parker]

I didnt catch the shift, though i might if i reread the chats. Im actually in favor of lynching the gf, but all we have is shaky circumstantial evidence.

Ill stop believing the savage death note if they kill again. Now that the clubber is dead, they shouldnt be as afraid to recruit. If the savages kill again however, ill be in favor of giving the win to the mafia.

We're better pitting them against each other, provided I can manage to keep 1 town alive until the final something or other. At some point, I will have the majority, but that's probably when I'll wind up in a body bag.

[FM Galloway]

If I'm understanding you right then, your theory is

Godfather
Drug Dealer
Drug Dealer
Blackmailer
Kidnapper
Consort

Oh Galloway, we love you. You're like the crazy drunk uncle who gets everyone to join a greek house to open up and be honest about just how crazy our uncle is.

Haha, oh you.

K enough of that.

Savage GF possiblities:
Carrthurs
Mason
Leary
Green


Carrthurs would have no fear of blackmails and because of this and the mechanics around it he would easily begin to fake Delta by claiming coroner and then moving down to delta and all that jazz. Each of his little results there are BS imo because those players were the higher quality and would have left a lw, since its allowed. Additionally Ballard was smarter than his lw shows so there is that.

BRB food is done.

[FM Kalou]

Dunno y it didnt go through

FM Ackerman

[FM Parker]

I want to listen to the radio!

Did you get to preselect the station? Or was your hand forced by the Joker?

[FM Galloway]

Additionally: What Townie says lynch me at this important time where a mislynch = town loss. :/

[FM Leary]

I think Phelps is our safest lynch, but we have to choose a shady target to lynch in the days to come anyway.
I'm open to an Ackerman lynch today, he reeks.

[FM Galloway]

Oh we should put everyone we suspect at L-4 and let Mayor hammer them when he wants.

[FM Leary]

Haha, oh you.

K enough of that.

Savage GF possiblities:
Carrthurs
Mason
Leary
Green


Carrthurs would have no fear of blackmails and because of this and the mechanics around it he would easily begin to fake Delta by claiming coroner and then moving down to delta and all that jazz. Each of his little results there are BS imo because those players were the higher quality and would have left a lw, since its allowed. Additionally Ballard was smarter than his lw shows so there is that.

BRB food is done.I believe Green is rather Witch than Savage
Tell me why none of the other delta claimers could be the savage gf?

[FM Kalou]

Oh we should put everyone we suspect at L-4 and let Mayor hammer them when he wants.

He doesnt want the lynch choice. He wants to see unbiased voting patterns

[FM Galloway]

I believe Green is rather Witch than Savage
Tell me why none of the other delta claimers could be the savage gf?

I didn't say they couldn't be [bleep].

@Kalou
K.

[FM Parker]

I believe Green is rather Witch than Savage
Tell me why none of the other delta claimers could be the savage gf?

There's a difference between could be and likely possibles. Just let him speculate as to who he thinks it is.

Also, Galloway putting more than two suspects at L-4 might be hard with the number of bodies we have. Yet, once someone is at L-4 we should stop voting for them to give more lynch options.

[FM Parker]

Additionally: What Townie says lynch me at this important time where a mislynch = town loss. :/

I agree with this. There's enough on Carruthers to warrant a lynch. Just like there's enough on Phelps. Carruthers seems more like a mafia GF than a savage GF play though. Of course, that does remind me of another COM I've seen.

[FM Leary]

dont forget, almost HALF of the remaining players, are scum.

[FM Parker]

dont forget, almost HALF of the remaining players, are scum.

How do you know this? We have four mafia and maximum four savages, plus a witch. That's 9 out of 20.

We could easily be at much smaller ratios. Not saying the savage note is accurate but it is possible that the savages haven't recruited fully.

[FM Kalou]

How do you know this? We have four mafia and maximum four savages, plus a witch. That's 9 out of 20.

We could easily be at much smaller ratios. Not saying the savage note is accurate but it is possible that the savages haven't recruited fully.

+corrupt journalist

[FM Parker]

+corrupt journalist

We can let the corrupt journalist live. I have no real desire to do anything about Earle right now. Plus, I'm not certain his corrupt claim is legitimate or just a way to avoid getting shot at.

[FM Parker]

The minimum is

4 + 2 + 1 which is 7 and nowhere near half. I'd really like to know how Leary knows how many savages their are.

[FM Hopgood]

The minimum is

4 + 2 + 1 which is 7 and nowhere near half. I'd really like to know how Leary knows how many savages their are.

Student?

[FM Parker]

Student?

I cannot really see a student picking a savage unless it's totally accidental. More likely he's the GF or recruited if he's a savage.

LEARY, THAT WAS NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION! How did you know that approximately half the group is scums?

[FM Hopgood]

So student did not pick DD?

[FM Parker]

So student did not pick DD?

I believe the student did. Although there is a decent argument for two drug dealers since the start. Ackerman being student is the only way he's mafia.

[FM Parker]

Oh you're right, I forgot to take the student out of my minimums.

So that's 3 + 2+ Witch = 7 scums minimum.

[FM Hopgood]

Oh you're right, I forgot to take the student out of my minimums.

So that's 3 + 2+ Witch = 7 scums minimum.

Total of 6 mafia, 2 died
4 mafia left without student

[FM Parker]

Right. Sorry. Gah my AC is on the fritz, making it hard to focus.

4 living mafia + 2 savages + 1 witch = 8 minimum scum

5 living mafia + 4 savages + 1 with = 11 maximum need to lynch scum

How does LEARY know the number is more likely 8/9 rather than 10/11?

[FM Parker]

Right. Sorry. Gah my AC is on the fritz, making it hard to focus.

4 living mafia + 2 savages + 1 witch = 7 minimum scum

5 living mafia + 4 savages + 1 with = 10 maximum need to lynch scum

How does LEARY know the number is more likely 7/8 rather than 9/10?

Fixed.

[FM Mason]

Did you get to preselect the station? Or was your hand forced by the Joker?

Hey remember me, that big charity bash a few years back, the one the Joker robbed? I wuz the clown girl holdin the gun on ya!

[FM Carruthers]

Carrthurs would have no fear of blackmails and because of this and the mechanics around it he would easily begin to fake Delta by claiming coroner and then moving down to delta and all that jazz. Each of his little results there are BS imo because those players were the higher quality and would have left a lw, since its allowed. Additionally Ballard was smarter than his lw shows so there is that.

I have no fear of the blackmail because I was blackmailed requesting me to lie to the town the very day I get blackmailed, countering it otherwise would kill me.
Two birds with one stone ; I claimed blackmailed to tell others I've been BM'd, getting myself demoted so it's pointless to kill me for countering, while giving important feedback to the town.

If I lied to the town, they would kill me before I get the chance to correct it the next day.

As for the Last Wills, all but 1 had NO Last Will. This is disrespecting to the game and to the Coroner.

I soft claimed Coroner at Day 4 with a question, with a few further hints. Would I really make a gambit like that from Day 4 to Day 6 / 7 if I was the GF?

I should have been savage-suspicious enough to have had the mason visit me, but I'm still alive.

Again, I encourage lynching me to confirm my role so that everyone can do a large, epic facepalm on their own stupidity of disbelieving a coroner.
This is a critical part of the game ; Confirming my role will confirm two delta's in the list and we can shorten the list of counterclaims, effectively increasing chance of finding scum with false claims.

It's better with an earlier lynch on me rather than late, creating plans and gambits involving my lynch becoming more destructive late then early.
Because I'm a suspect, I create meaningless scum suspects or something - I don't like that.
(Seeing how everyone plays this)

[FM Galletta]

apparently there was a problem while fm galletta was being grown that led to a pre mature death. i was cloned to replace him, though the process was rushed and i wasnt properly conditioned. his memories have been transferred to me, though it will take me some time to make sense of these images in my head. i am present, though until i can make sense of my predecessors memories i wont be very active.

[FM Carruthers]

apparently there was a problem while fm galletta was being grown that led to a pre mature death. i was cloned to replace him, though the process was rushed and i wasnt properly conditioned. his memories have been transferred to me, though it will take me some time to make sense of these images in my head. i am present, though until i can make sense of my predecessors memories i wont be very active.

This person claimed Replaced.

[FM Mason]

apparently there was a problem while fm galletta was being grown that led to a pre mature death. i was cloned to replace him, though the process was rushed and i wasnt properly conditioned. his memories have been transferred to me, though it will take me some time to make sense of these images in my head. i am present, though until i can make sense of my predecessors memories i wont be very active.

Hey aren't you that plant lady... Poison Oaky?