Night 6

[Forum Mafia GM]

Please remember that the deadline is 1 hour before day starts. (your chat has been opened early and you have more than 48hrs to decide)

[FM Artaxerxes]

R.I.P.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Ok guys. We are now in crisis mode.

Dunn will be lynched if we attack hogeboom
Phelps will be lynched if we attack Monroe
Mayor thinks that Galloway is a power role, so passing your Soma would not make much sense.
Hogeboom has received the blackmail intended for Rose
Hogeboom knows that we are trying to cause a mislynch on Cafarelli

Town has gotten very close to figuring us out.
Only ones that are under the radar, somewhat....are myself, Galloway and Donnely. Monroe has suspected all three of us though.

Lets not waste our time playing a blame game. We could have played better. We are going to have to lose another Mafia soon.

[FM Attila]

I know I am not the most active guy in this night chat but killing two people like we did was a huge risk that blew up in our face. Now we lost a mafia member for an additional kill. I don't think the trade off was just here.

[FM Attila]

Im going to fake blackmail tomorrow by spamming lines from a play of my choice. It'll go along with the trend of BM that we have given out and pretty much clear me of being suspected. Thats just my idea as this will also suggest that there are two BMs again. So there is that.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Since Hogeboom has received that blackmail, when he completes it tommorow, everyone will know that HE is town and Dunn is scum.

Galloway, what does your soma message say?

Agreed, we chose a bad target with Earle.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Im going to fake blackmail tomorrow by spamming lines from a play of my choice. It'll go along with the trend of BM that we have given out and pretty much clear me of being suspected. Thats just my idea as this will also suggest that there are two BMs again. So there is that.
If you fake a blackmail, we HAVE to kill hogeboom tonight. When he reveals the blackmail we sent him yesterday it will be obvious that Dunn is the kidnapper. Also his post will be an obvious blackmail and will make yours seem fake.

[FM Attila]

If you fake a blackmail, we HAVE to kill hogeboom tonight. When he reveals the blackmail we sent him yesterday it will be obvious that Dunn is the kidnapper. Also his post will be an obvious blackmail and will make yours seem fake.

I believe thats what we are gonna have to do then.

[Alphege]

Hogeboom's Town status does not flat make me scum. I am definitely in the center of things, but I don't know that it is fact that I will be lynched.

Also. My one blame post is happening right now.
1: I fucking told you morons to kill Parker. Sure, I thought he was Doctor, but we should have done that days ago.
2: I fucking told you morons to NOT double kill. At best it got us 2 kills in our night kill and Earle, and look it didn't work out. It was moronic to just flat out beg Buchwalter as scum, when NOT double killing would have been fine. Either being a second Blackmail or a second Drug, or LITERALLY ANYTHING! That was stupid as hell.

/rant over

Now. Let's try to figure out our best action. How does Galloway survive the Soma? What is his claim? Do we continue using a Bus feedback, since it appears I am going to be blocked.

[Alphege]

peg*

[Alphege]

-Fake roleblock - useless in most cases
attacked and healed - possible, maybe Galloway claims Doctor?
bus drive - useless if we know I will be blocked
poison - useless to begin with
recruitment to the cult - no
blacksmith materials received - we can't create a kill, but with the hints to a Blackmsith in game it might be good to confuse people on their items. Blacksmith claim?
dousing - no
witching - too evident there is another Drug Dealer
jester annoyance - no
student selected you as a mentor - no
discovered the interceptor - possibly in union with the Heal feedback?
received Soma - viable
block feedback - viable
any other possible night feedback - let me know

-Fake blackmail - strong option
-Fake role feedback - useless, unless we want to confuse Cafaralli in union with the block feedback drug



-Fake roleblock - useless in most cases
attacked and healed - possible, maybe Galloway claims Doctor?
blacksmith materials received - we can't create a kill, but with the hints to a Blackmsith in game it might be good to confuse people on their items. Blacksmith claim?
discovered the interceptor - possibly in union with the Heal feedback?
received Soma - viable
block feedback - viable
any other possible night feedback - let me know

-Fake blackmail - strong option
-Fake role feedback - bad unless we want to confuse Cafaralli in union with the block feedback drug




Framing Cafaralli- Drug 1 to block feedback, Drug 2 to frame results
Doctor claim for Galloway- Attack/Heal Parker?, throw in an Interceptor detection
Blacksmith claim for Galloway- Give gun feedback, give Soma feedback making a shot demand
Delta claim- send out some blackmail feedbacks, because they are sound



Thoughts?

[Alphege]

If Interceptor targeted a Mayor, would he try to kill the Mayor before visits since Mayor didn't move? or is it only Visitors?

Only answer if ^^ is a yes. If a player is attacked by an Interceptor, would they detect the Interceptor if they were saved?

[Alphege]

What remains

Godfather
[Soma Dealer] - Drug Dealer
[Soma Dealer] - Blackmailer
[Soma Dealer] - Consort
[Soma Dealer] - Kidnapper
Savage Godfather
[Evil Neutral] - Witch
[Hidden Epsilon] - Corrupt Journalist?
[Hidden Alpha] - Mayor
[Hidden Alpha] - Mason something
[Hidden Beta] - Escort
[Hidden Gamma] - Coroner
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Bus Driver
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Journalist?
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta

Savages are at maximum 4 today, and we may be about to see a Savage kill.
Savage size is capped at 6. Is their size 6 living members or 6 counting lost members?

[Alphege]

If Savages are maxed

Godfather
[Soma Dealer] - Drug Dealer
[Soma Dealer] - Blackmailer
[Soma Dealer] - Consort
[Soma Dealer] - Kidnapper
Savage Godfather
Savage
Savage
Savage
[Evil Neutral] - Witch
[Hidden Epsilon] - Corrupt Journalist?
[Hidden Alpha] - Mayor
[Hidden Alpha] - Mason something
[Hidden Beta] - Escort
[Hidden Gamma] - Coroner
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Bus Driver
[Hidden A/B/G/D] - Journalist?
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta

[Alphege]

FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Galloway
FM Mendez
FM Phelps

FM Carruthers
FM Earle
FM Monroe
FM Parker

FM Ackerman
FM Black
FM Cafarelli
FM Chapman
FM Fontaine
FM Galletta
FM Green
FM Hogeboom
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Rose
FM Ryan

[Alphege]

FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Galloway
FM Mendez
FM Phelps

FM Cafarelli
FM Carruthers
FM Earle
FM Hogeboom
FM Monroe
FM Parker

FM Ackerman
FM Black
FM Chapman
FM Fontaine
FM Galletta
FM Green
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Rose
FM Ryan

Hogeboom added. Fuck me. Help me with this for claimed roles.

[Alphege]

I think our biggest goal of this is to hit Town. If the Savages are at 4 tonight and can't recruit then the ratio is as such
Right now: Town- 14, Non-Town- 11
Tomorrow (if we both hit Town): Town- 12, Non-Town- 11
Tomorrow (if we both hit each other): Town- 14, Non-Town- 9

It will take them 11 days to kill us alone, and us combined 6 days to kill them. We need to rip Town apart, and find a way to overcome the Savages later if necessary. And personally I would rather see a Savage win than a Town win. But that's just me.

I was also laying out plans for Galloway to overcome the Soma, but we might consider using it as a second kill and sacrificing Galloway as well. Galloway isn't out of the light exactly, and if we have an entire day centered around his lynch we might be able to buy Mendez and Donnoly town points to survive the late game. And let's face it, they are our only hope. Dunn, Galloway, and Phelps have eyes on them.

[Alphege]

eydchtfgjvbhkjfjbhvgbhkjn where is everyone. Now I know how Spartacus has felt :P

[Alphege]

If we can hit town, and will use the Soma as a second kill that kill could be the point tipper for us against the Savages.

Now: Town- 14, Mafia- 5, Savage- 4, Other- 2
Day 6: Town- 12, Mafia- 5, Savage- 4, Other- 2
I am lynched: Town- 12, Mafia- 4, Savage- 4, Other 2
Day 7: Town- 10, Mafia- 4, Savage- 3 (if we can SuperSoma them), Other 2
Galloway is lynched: Town- 10, Mafia- 3, Savage- 3, Other- 2
Day 8: Town- 8, Mafia- 3, Savage- 3, Other- 2
- By Day 8 we MUST kill Parker, but if we do the Town will only have 50% of the game, and might not be able to lynch. There is no guaranteed Doctor, and with Hogeboom set to swap Cafaralli (based on Parkers direction) it might be worth it to try it tonight.

[Alphege]

Day 8 Phelps should be if they are able, or use the Savages: Town- 8, Mafia- 2, Savages- 3, Other- 2
Day 9: Town- 6, Mafia- 2, Savages- 3, Other- 2
Day 9 should be a steady day for us, since Donnoly and Mendez are both somewhat hidden at the moment, they should both be able to survive that day, unless new information comes out that sways this. But I think our main goal should be to kill Town every night, and hope the Savages fuck up.

[Alphege]

Killing Monroe, and Hogeboom is frankly an OK action to take. They are power roles that will ruin us if we let them remain, and Phelps and I are likely to be lynched anyway.

[FM Ferengi]

If Interceptor targeted a Mayor, would he try to kill the Mayor before visits since Mayor didn't move? or is it only Visitors?

Only answer if ^^ is a yes. If a player is attacked by an Interceptor, would they detect the Interceptor if they were saved?

The interceptor will only attack the first person to visit their target. Therefore an interceptor who targets a mayor will not cause the mayor to die of interception.

[FM Ferengi]

Savage size is capped at 6. Is their size 6 living members or 6 counting lost members?

The cult size cap of six players includes dead cultists.

[FM Leonardo]

Hey guys. That was a really rough day for us. RIP Buchwalter. You will be sorely missed.

And holy mother of god, the power roles. There are so fucking many of them. We can't possibly kill all of them. This is so so so so bad.

Oh, and Switzerland- Please answer this in the day chat:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326005&viewfull=1#post326005

[FM Leonardo]

List of claimed Power roles (this is off the top of my head, so I may come back and fill in more later):

Parker- Mayor (revealed)
Hogeboom - Bus Driver
Monroe - Escort
Carruthers - Coroner
Earle - Journalist
Cafarelli - Investigator

Phelps - escort
Dunn - Bus Driver

[Forum Mafia GM]

Hey guys. That was a really rough day for us. RIP Buchwalter. You will be sorely missed.

And holy mother of god, the power roles. There are so fucking many of them. We can't possibly kill all of them. This is so so so so bad.

Oh, and Switzerland- Please answer this in the day chat:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326005&viewfull=1#post326005

It was answered in post 492

[FM Spartacus]

Oh hey night already started way b4. the hell.. Wahtever i am interviewed. Also I think FM Hugeboon hinted too strong at his blackmail but check it for yourself. I ve got the links here:



http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326326&viewfull=1#post326326

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326344&viewfull=1#post326344
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326350&viewfull=1#post326350
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326353&viewfull=1#post326353
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326485&viewfull=1#post326485

I think he should be deltad for it.

[FM Spartacus]

Laterz...

[FM Leonardo]

This may be a long shot, but a strategy for surviving tomorrow might be to deflect attention onto the claimed journalist, coroner, and investigator (Earle, Carruthers, and Cafarreli, respectively). Chances are if savages aren't already at 4 members, they will recruit one of those people tonight (and Monroe said recruiting "as is" is stupid... Ha!). The investigator would be the obvious choice, which means an enforcer is more likely to be there, so I'd say they'll go for the Coroner. Journalist isn't much use to them right now anyway, since it would be best at finding PRs (by getting them to claim in the article) but (almost) all the PRs have already claimed.

In order for tonight to succeed we need one very important thing- the witch. The witch has now gone from praying and hoping every night, to having full control over what she does. She has so many roles to choose from. Chances are she will select one of them and fuck with it. The question is: witch one?

Since no one claimed witched during the day (unless I missed something) this means one of three things:
1- She was roleblocked
2- Someone lied about/ intentionally withheld their witch feedback
3- She witched Cafarelli (If this is what happened, it is hilarious, because he was also blocked by Monroe. Which basically means there was an unnecessary clusterfuck at Cafarelli's house last night)

In any case, the best possible thing the witch could do for us is witch Monroe onto Cafarelli. This will leave Dunn free to act while also preventing Cafarelli from gaining any new information. This would allow us to kill any of the power roles we desire for tonight.

Although, while I'm on the subject of who to kill... I'd like to present two theories which, if they prove true, will ease your minds a bit.

Theory #1:
There is no doctor.

Frankly, there are a lot of fucking power roles. And though all of them except mayor have an evil counterpart that can CC them, I don't think it would be at all unreasonable for there to be no doctors in the game, given the sheer power town has already without a doctor.

Theory #2 (I am very confident in this theory):
There is no blacksmith.

McKelty claimed there was a blacksmith in the game, but since then we have seen exactly zero blacksmith items. There have been no kills from blacksmith guns and no vests have made an appearance as far as I can tell. I think McKelty was fucking with us when he said there was a blacksmith. Probably to fool us into avoiding claimed PRs like Cafarelli by thinking they might have vests.

[FM Leonardo]

Oh hey night already started way b4. the hell.. Wahtever i am interviewed. Also I think FM Hugeboon hinted too strong at his blackmail but check it for yourself. I ve got the links here:



http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326326&viewfull=1#post326326

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326344&viewfull=1#post326344
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326350&viewfull=1#post326350
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326353&viewfull=1#post326353
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326485&viewfull=1#post326485

I think he should be deltad for it.

Yeah.. These are pretty obvious claims... Will Hogeboom be punished for claiming blackmailed for the above posts?

[FM Leonardo]

It was answered in post 492

That was not a satisfactory answer. I would like a direct answer.

[FM Attila]

No. Let me say this clearer. NO!
I am not under suspicion. I am one of the most trusted in that [bleep] day chat!#!@#!@
So no. Excuse me for all of it but no. NO NO NO NO NO. I do not see any chance at success once we sacrifice another mafia member for a semi-worthless town kill. I can easily pull off a doctor kill if we manage to kill Cafarelli tonight, which I think we should.

[FM Attila]

Yeah.. These are pretty obvious claims... Will Hogeboom be punished for claiming blackmailed for the above posts?

Yes btw. This should happen cause holy hints aginst the rules an everything.

[FM Ferengi]

Yeah.. These are pretty obvious claims... Will Hogeboom be punished for claiming blackmailed for the above posts?

FM Game Master and I have arrived at the same conclusion separately: Hogeboom did not hint at bm and therefore will not be penalized.

[FM Artaxerxes]

FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Galloway
FM Mendez
FM Phelps


FM Carruthers
FM Earle
FM Monroe
FM Parker
FM Hogeboom
FM Cafarelli

FM Ackerman - Delta
FM Black - I suspect black is a Mason
FM Chapman
FM Fontaine - Delta
FM Galletta
FM Green
FM Hopgood - Bored Delta
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Rose - Delta claimed d2. Possibly Savage
FM Ryan - Delta claim

[FM Artaxerxes]

No. Let me say this clearer. NO!
I am not under suspicion. I am one of the most trusted in that [bleep] day chat!#!@#!@
So no. Excuse me for all of it but no. NO NO NO NO NO. I do not see any chance at success once we sacrifice another mafia member for a semi-worthless town kill. I can easily pull off a doctor kill if we manage to kill Cafarelli tonight, which I think we should.

Cafarelli is on the list for suspicion by Parker. Most of town thinks he is the consig, we are the few that DONT. When hogebooms blackmail goes through, town will KNOW that he is blackmailed and his suspicion on Cafarelli will make them think the following

1. Cafarelli is NOT Consig if we are trying to cause a mislynch on him. So he is legit invest
2. We are dumb as fuck for sending that blackmail
3. Cafarellis suspicion on Phelps is most likely accurate.

OR possibly they will suspect that we are trying to mislead the town into protecting one of our own, which would be the best situation.

Dunn you are under suspicion. You cannot seriously think you are the most trusted in day chat. The town plan is centered around roleblocking both you and Hogeboom tonight. You would have no suspicion on you at all if you didn't needlessly claim in an article. Anyways it's behind us, we have to plan how to fix this.

Anyways when Hogeboom shows he is blackmailed, you will be lynched unless you are faking blackmailed yourself.

Right now our biggest problem to protect is Phelps and Dunn. Their is an escort out there who KNOWS that Phelps is the consort. They have not revealed yet thankfully but might tomorrow. Town will not believe that Hogeboom is kidnapper over you. He has messed up blackmails twice while you have claimed to save deltas/scummy players. Becket is the only good thing you "saved".


I expect to be roleblocked soon. The two escorts will most likely follow the plan to roleblock the bus drivers tonight. So tonight I will go out to kill. Tomorrow night, if Phelps is still alive, we should send him to kill.

@Galloway, you need to find a PR role to claim. Mayor knows your not a delta, not sure why. He is expecting you to use your soma tonight.

Idea that will frame Cafarelli well
Galloway uses Soma, sends attack and healed message to the Mayor.
2nd soma on Monroe, you target was immune to roleblock *Possibility, I suspect Monroe will not follow Mayor and roleblock dunn and hogeboom. He might rb dunn and this would reveal 2nd drugdeal.
Phelps roleblocks hogeboom
Mendez attacks *someone* or Does not attack to frame Cafarelli (No kpn but forces a mislynch on Cafarelli who made a plan to NOT save mayor, will look very scummy)
Dunn attempts to kidnap, probably will be roleblocked
Donnelly is stuck in BM with Hogeboom

Possibility to give Donnelly a new blackmail
Mendez attacks Hogeboom
Phelps roleblocks Hogeboom
Donnelly blackmails Parker - You must only vote to lynch FM Ryan. Someone semi-scummy that won't ruin suspicion on Cafarelli or show protection for one of our own. He will know that Ryan is town though. If he says something like " I don't know why i'm doing this - lynch ryan" he will become a delta for hinting. This blackmail also prevents him from lynching anyone else during his blackmail if he waits til 2nd day.
Galloway passes Soma to a confirmed town PR, giving him lots of town points. Obviously not hogeboom or carruthers. Possibly Monroe or someone that Galloway has not verbally assaulted in day chat (lol).
Dunn attempts to kidnap, dont care who make it seem towny though.
Galloway drugs *unsure yet*

[FM Artaxerxes]

I am not sure but i doubt that a mafia consigliere would out deltas at day so the cult can get free recruits. Also the lynch on Cohen was based on the fact that Cohen told us that he lied about his poisoning and the pairing with the 2 mafia roles and the Arsonist. The town roles on Cohen's pairing were way too risky to push for a misslynch. Vigilante can just shoot him to proof himself. Bus driver claims his swaps and wont get lynched easily. The veteran would have kille dhim the night he checked him. Especially with the play from Cohen.

The Savage theory looks more realistical because an outed delta pairing can still be recruited another night where the clubber has other targets and mafia wont shoot a revealed delta pairing anyway. This makes pretty good recruits for the later stages of the game. Then the Cohen pairing had only 1 role on it which was recruitable: The Student. If you can't recruit it lynch it right? Still the same risk as for the consigliere applies, which makes this a bit doubtful as well. Then the pairing of myself has only the ghost as possible recruit. I am a liability for the savages.
They will be happy to see me getting misslynched. There is a possibility that Cafarelli is another savage role and got his reads from Ballard from their night chats or with a code.

The Town Theory. He is an investigator who speaks the truth and everything happened like he said. From the drugging from N1 for no feedback, lucky mafia i guess. To n2 the check on rose. To n3 claiming feedback block but got the right feedback guessed from Cohen. Pretty good. Then he was drugged again last night for no feedback. Sounds a bit unlikely but its possible. I wouldn't scratch that from the list.

Since i am not sure about his alignment i am still not voting him.

This is going to look scummy once Hogeboom says the blackmail.

I scumslipped during the day claiming that Cafarelli was feedback blocked when he never stated it. He implied it though and people looked over it thankfully.

[FM Artaxerxes]

No. Let me say this clearer. NO!
I am not under suspicion. I am one of the most trusted in that [bleep] day chat!#!@#!@
So no. Excuse me for all of it but no. NO NO NO NO NO. I do not see any chance at success once we sacrifice another mafia member for a semi-worthless town kill. I can easily pull off a doctor kill if we manage to kill Cafarelli tonight, which I think we should.
I never actually answered this.

You are trusted, but they (or at least Parker) thinks you are a TPR. Cafarelli will be lynched tomorrow if we play our cards right. There is 0 chance they will believe he isn't mafia after this long. Also what doctor kill could you manage?

Please let us know what your Soma message is -

Spartacus please tell us how you plan on conducting your interview.

[FM Attila]

Hello,

This message will be brief and unidentifying. I believe Ballard and Hopgood are savages and that they have targeted Parker. I do believe the alleged bus driver got it right that Parker is blatantly town (even though he's an arrogant ass). There is of course a slim chance that the [BLEEP] is mafia. Please come up with some other reason to lynch Ballard and Hopgood on Day 6. We don't want the savages to decide to kill Parker. Day 5 we should lynch Cafarelli. I will have to lie low as I don't want to draw attention to myself as the mayor. I am pretending to be a delta, and will lie if necessary. It matches my investigative pairing. This message may sound like that asshole Parker. I'm adopting his (or is it her) COM.

If you are a delta, please put scummy in quotes in a post before midday. If you are not a delta, underline bold or italics the phrase scummy before midday.

Also, as consistent with my duties as mayor, I'm using this as a journalist post. It allows for the tracking of soma. You are expected to respond in a manner that confirms receipt by midday on day 5. If you pass this, you are expected to do the same. If you use the soma, include the phrase "scumtell" as soon as possible in day 6 without being awkward. If mid day arrives on day 6 and you have used the soma, use the code phrase as soon as possible.

FM Buchwalter got the first soma. Expect your name to be passed on in the future as a soma receiver.

1) Who do you think is scum?

2) Should we lynch Cafarelli for getting an awful lot of "accurate" investigations despite being an outed invest with a "known" drug dealer?

3) Should the journalist out themselves?

4) Should the mayor reveal if we cannot get a scum lynched by the end of Day 6?

5) Who do you think is scummier, Green or Ryan?

Cheerio,

The Mayor

He fucked up his own code because I put scummy in a quote, which automatically italics it, in order to claim delta to him. It was a fluke that caused him to think otherwise. But it can work for us because I can easily fake a doctor claim.
I am going to need to fake BM'd at some point in time during this game. I just need the right moment in order to do it. I truly feel that doing so will instantly clear me from being mafia and I'd only need to ensure that Parker thinks Im town more than anything else. Just saying it again: An extra kill is not worth the loss of a mafia member.

[FM Artaxerxes]

He fucked up his own code because I put scummy in a quote, which automatically italics it, in order to claim delta to him. It was a fluke that caused him to think otherwise. But it can work for us because I can easily fake a doctor claim.
I am going to need to fake BM'd at some point in time during this game. I just need the right moment in order to do it. I truly feel that doing so will instantly clear me from being mafia and I'd only need to ensure that Parker thinks Im town more than anything else. Just saying it again: An extra kill is not worth the loss of a mafia member.

Yes. We are not going to pass the Soma to me again. What are your thoughts on making you appear to be a doctor? From my plan above, it gives us 0 kpn for the night, but allows us to confirm you as town and probably cause a mislynch on Cafarelli.

[FM Spartacus]

Well, Buchwalter took too much time to reveal that he was passing the soma to earle. Which got him lynched by the Mayor in the end and i seriously don't understand why you think you have the right to rant about our decisions at night. You weren't participating much in this night chat. The more important part of the game not the day chat where you leave tons of scum tells but gladly no pro scum hunter is alive. I am looking at you Attila and Alphege.

@Alphege: " HE IS DOCTOR 100%" = MVP

No idea what i should write in an interview. I don't get it why Earle has chosen me i've gotten all my info out already. Ranting about others are likely scum is probably the only thing i can do. It seems That Earle thinks i am gonna die tonight.

Also i want to see the thought process behind the decision that FM Hugeboom doesn't get punished. He clearly slipped when he said he knows that FM Rose is 100% not mafia. He never mentioned the possibility that he was drugged in the first place. It only could led to one conclusion that he was blackmailed.
I am done with the blackmailer role. It eats most of our whole Night chat time for almost no effect. This is especially deadly with a non communicative team.
Oh and guys there is no way we gonna win this.

Galloway, Mendez you both mentioned connections between Rose and Cafarelli. When the blackmail gets revealed tomorrow you might have a serious problem.

The Escort or the Bus driver have to go. The invest is a raging kid he wont get any of us lynched without the backing of Monroe or Parker. While Parker still thinks he is scum.

Don't count on the savage kill. I doubt that they recruited every night sucsesfully. They will definetly try to recruit someone tonight. Probably Ackerman if he isn't the cult coroner already.

I have to block Hugeboom.

Theoreticly we can double drug tonight. We should probably surpress feedback on cafarelli again and drug a witching on somebody else. "shrugs"

[FM Leonardo]

He fucked up his own code because I put scummy in a quote, which automatically italics it, in order to claim delta to him. It was a fluke that caused him to think otherwise. But it can work for us because I can easily fake a doctor claim.
I am going to need to fake BM'd at some point in time during this game. I just need the right moment in order to do it. I truly feel that doing so will instantly clear me from being mafia and I'd only need to ensure that Parker thinks Im town more than anything else. Just saying it again: An extra kill is not worth the loss of a mafia member.

I think you should fake blackmailed tomorrow. This will accomplish two things:

1. Clear you of being mafia
2a. Shed doubt on Hogeboom for appearing to be blackmailed.
2b. Cause town to think Hogeboom is scum because of the way he acts tomorrow (since it can't possibly be due to a blackmail... wink wink, nudge nudge)

[FM Leonardo]

I am done with the blackmailer role.

Welcome to the club. Here, have a drink.

[FM Spartacus]

The one in FM 10 at least roleblocked their targets until they did what they were told to do. Which was a savety mechanism to keep it at least somewhat efficient.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Well, Buchwalter took too much time to reveal that he was passing the soma to earle. Which got him lynched by the Mayor in the end and i seriously don't understand why you think you have the right to rant about our decisions at night. You weren't participating much in this night chat. The more important part of the game not the day chat where you leave tons of scum tells but gladly no pro scum hunter is alive. I am looking at you Attila and Alphege.

@Alphege: " HE IS DOCTOR 100%" = MVP

No idea what i should write in an interview. I don't get it why Earle has chosen me i've gotten all my info out already. Ranting about others are likely scum is probably the only thing i can do. It seems That Earle thinks i am gonna die tonight.

Also i want to see the thought process behind the decision that FM Hugeboom doesn't get punished. He clearly slipped when he said he knows that FM Rose is 100% not mafia. He never mentioned the possibility that he was drugged in the first place. It only could led to one conclusion that he was blackmailed.
I am done with the blackmailer role. It eats most of our whole Night chat time for almost no effect. This is especially deadly with a non communicative team.
Oh and guys there is no way we gonna win this.

Galloway, Mendez you both mentioned connections between Rose and Cafarelli. When the blackmail gets revealed tomorrow you might have a serious problem.

The Escort or the Bus driver have to go. The invest is a raging kid he wont get any of us lynched without the backing of Monroe or Parker. While Parker still thinks he is scum.

Don't count on the savage kill. I doubt that they recruited every night sucsesfully. They will definetly try to recruit someone tonight. Probably Ackerman if he isn't the cult coroner already.

I have to block Hugeboom.

Theoreticly we can double drug tonight. We should probably surpress feedback on cafarelli again and drug a witching on somebody else. "shrugs"
Not sure what you mean about me mentioning a connection between Rose and Cafarelli. I do think we have to kill Hugebum tonight.

We should start making our blackmails MORE simple. Yesterday was way too specific. A simple forcing them to vote someone is all we need. It's not a gamechanging role. Just to cause misinformation. We've been trying to use it to solo cause mislynches. We should use it to confuse town from now on.

The good thing is Parker believes that myself and Galloway are pro town as far as I can tell. Monroe does not, but he is suspicious of almost everyone.

Don't say we aren't going to win just yet - we may lose quite a few, but as soon as cult starts killing will be okay. I would rather kill Hogeboom than Monroe tonight, because I'd rather keep you in the night chat than him

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think you should fake blackmailed tomorrow. This will accomplish two things:

1. Clear you of being mafia
2a. Shed doubt on Hogeboom for appearing to be blackmailed.
2b. Cause town to think Hogeboom is scum because of the way he acts tomorrow (since it can't possibly be due to a blackmail... wink wink, nudge nudge)

The fake blackmail for attila could involve the Soma he recieved? The play thing will be too obvious if we reenact it.

[FM Spartacus]

All it does is clearing people as town after they do what we tell them to do. How can we use that to get misinformation out while all they have to do is to wait near the end of the day and do the one task we want of them 2 Days later where they were blackmailed? With one single sentence under it which turns the whole post into something else. Especially when almost every town role has claimed for no real reason yesterday.

Not... enough... kills....

Also the Blackmailer is still not able to Blackmail someone else.

[FM Artaxerxes]

All it does is clearing people as town after they do what we tell them to do. How can we use that to get misinformation out while all they have to do is to wait near the end of the day and do the one task we want of them 2 Days later where they were blackmailed? With one single sentence under it which turns the whole post into something else. Especially when almost every town role has claimed for no real reason yesterday.

Not... enough... kills....

Also the Blackmailer is still not able to Blackmail someone else.
If we kill Hogeboom tonight, we can send another blackmail

Yes I really hope Savages begin killing. 1 kpn with all these possible investigative roles = fucked mafia

[FM Spartacus]

If we kill Hogeboom tonight, we can send another blackmail

Yes I really hope Savages begin killing. 1 kpn with all these possible investigative roles = fucked mafia

They won't we are the ones getting hunted by town not they. They gonna recruit someone and hopp on our lynches. They have 0 reason to kill tonight.

If we kill Hugeboon tonight DUnn will be autolynched tomorrow. If we kill Monroe i might be a goner as well. THat's life. The Kidnapper is more worth than a Consort. Monroe will roleblock him anyway. Nothing we can do about it with no feedback drugs and 1 block each night.

[FM Artaxerxes]

They won't we are the ones getting hunted by town not they. They gonna recruit someone and hopp on our lynches. They have 0 reason to kill tonight.

If we kill Hugeboon tonight DUnn will be autolynched tomorrow. If we kill Monroe i might be a goner as well. THat's life. The Kidnapper is more worth than a Consort. Monroe will roleblock him anyway. Nothing we can do about it with no feedback drugs and 1 block each night.
true, but if we dont kill huggybone he will reveal the blackmail and town logic will be "he is blackmailed, so he must be town". A known Kidnapper is not worth more, he is going to get roleblocked tonight and probably forever roleblocked until lynched. I'd rather have a consort alive in case I get roleblocked, it wont be huehue GF found.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Also, there is the possibility that you refuse your interview making Earle look like scum.

[FM Attila]

Well, Buchwalter took too much time to reveal that he was passing the soma to earle. Which got him lynched by the Mayor in the end and i seriously don't understand why you think you have the right to rant about our decisions at night. You weren't participating much in this night chat. The more important part of the game not the day chat where you leave tons of scum tells but gladly no pro scum hunter is alive. I am looking at you Attila and Alphege.

That explains why I have not been checked while you have right? Bitch more about failed actions. I'd point something out but im not a dick.



I don't believe I really have to do very much to "confirm" myself as Doctor here. I believe Parker already is suspecting it and that will just buy me an in with him even more than I already have with him. Faking blackmail tomorrow would be nice and we cannot kill the bus driver just yet. We need another day at least before we do that. We need our members right now. I'd propose we kill chapman or earle tonight sine its very doubtful any real doc, if there is one, would be on them tonight. It gives us a kill and we have an out to allow me to fake blackmail as well as cast some doubt on hopgood and such.


As for Cafarelli I don't see how he isn't practically confirmed town just yet. Can someone explain this to me? As much doubt as we have tried to place on him it doesn't seem to be working .

[FM Spartacus]

How should that work? This will make me look way more scummy if he gets faillynched and he flips journalist /corrupt journalist.

So what? I got checked but not lynched? People trust me more than him. Nothing wrong with that. I got checked because i didn't sheep the Arso. I don't bitch about failed actions i bitch about dick teammates who come in here to complain about things other had to decide. Because awesome people like you can't invest 30 min a day in an FM game. Even on weekiends. Why did you sign up in the first place again?

Right to play Circle jerk 2.0 in day chat. Great job man!

[FM Artaxerxes]

How should that work? This will make me look way more scummy if he gets faillynched and he flips journalist /corrupt journalist.

So what? I got checked but not lynched? People trust me more than him. Nothing wrong with that. I got checked because i didn't sheep the Arso. I don't bitch about failed actions i bitch about dick teammates who come in here to complain about things other had to decide. Because awesome people like you can't invest 30 min a day in an FM game. Even on weekiends. Why did you sign up in the first place again?

Right to play Circle jerk 2.0 in day chat. Great job man!
That's fine. Let us now what you are planning to say so we can corroborate on it.

Cafarelli is confirmed town to US because
1. His invests have been correct
2. We know he cannot be a savage investigator because of Ballard
3. He can be converted now as savage investigator. He is most likely 80% town

Town believes he is a consig because we have not targeted him. I am OKAY with letting this continue. You could easily mess with his actions tonight if you wanted to Galloway. i.e. Soma up, block feedback, send shitizen feedback. Or Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student

[FM Attila]

How should that work? This will make me look way more scummy if he gets faillynched and he flips journalist /corrupt journalist.

So what? I got checked but not lynched? People trust me more than him. Nothing wrong with that. I got checked because i didn't sheep the Arso. I don't bitch about failed actions i bitch about dick teammates who come in here to complain about things other had to decide. Because awesome people like you can't invest 30 min a day in an FM game. Even on weekiends. Why did you sign up in the first place again?

Right to play Circle jerk 2.0 in day chat. Great job man!

right. Thats a thing. WAY TO GO BUDDY YOU ARE FUCKING PRO

Way to sap out fun moron.





Fucking moving on from this retarded idiot.




Kill Targets:
Parker
Earle
Chapman
Ackermann

Drug Targets:
Parker {Attacked and Healed}
Cafarelli {Prevent Feedback}
Earle {Prevent Feedback} [Refuse to write an article] (Personally not my favorite choice but its an option)
Monroe {Roleblocked} [Pretty sure this guy is soft claiming citizen all over the place]


Swap Targets:
Dunn - Earle
Galloway - Parker


Any other suggestions/comments?

[FM Spartacus]

right. Thats a thing. WAY TO GO BUDDY YOU ARE FUCKING PRO

Way to sap out fun moron



Fucking moving on from this retarded idiot.




Kill Targets:
Parker
Earle
Chapman
Ackermann

Drug Targets:
Parker {Attacked and Healed}
Cafarelli {Prevent Feedback}
Earle {Prevent Feedback} [Refuse to write an article] (Personally not my favorite choice but its an option)
Monroe {Roleblocked} [Pretty sure this guy is soft claiming citizen all over the place]


Swap Targets:
Dunn - Earle
Galloway - Parker


Any other suggestions/comments?

Time to infract. Oh wait aren't you already banned?

[Alphege]

You weren't participating much in this night chat. The more important part of the game not the day chat where you leave tons of scum tells but gladly no pro scum hunter is alive. I am looking at you Attila and Alphege.

@Alphege: " HE IS DOCTOR 100%" = MVP

Incorrect. I said we should kill Parker. Sure, I got his role wrong, but I didn't lead us against a Corrupt Journalist. My half assed participation was worth far more than yours. I also said for us to NOT fucking double kill. Which you thought was a brilliant idea and got Buchwalter killed.
My play has yet to lose my own life (and mind you Parker made a point to say Kidnapper is not guaranteed), yours has cost us 2 allies already, and without managing to buy yourself any more time than mine has.
Way to go, you are a virus unto us. I am at worse NOT helping, you, on the other hand, are screwing us over royally.

[Alphege]

As far as actions, I think we should kill Hogeboom.
It could easily condemn me, but I have at best 2 days or so left, and if he lets the Blackmail fly it will ruin the chance of a mislynch on Cafaralli, something we desperately need to win. Parker doesn't seem assured of me as some others are, so perhaps I can survive a day and see Caf go down, but we do need the mislynch on him.

[FM Spartacus]

Incorrect. I said we should kill Parker. Sure, I got his role wrong, but I didn't lead us against a Corrupt Journalist. My half assed participation was worth far more than yours. I also said for us to NOT fucking double kill. Which you thought was a brilliant idea and got Buchwalter killed.
My play has yet to lose my own life (and mind you Parker made a point to say Kidnapper is not guaranteed), yours has cost us 2 allies already, and without managing to buy yourself any more time than mine has.
Way to go, you are a virus unto us. I am at worse NOT helping, you, on the other hand, are screwing us over royally.

You basicly suicided with that article. Lol. You can't even check your day chat account if you got interviewed. You never gave us any single proof or anything about why Parker would be a doc. You even insulted us when we were asking.
It's easy to blame the guys who made the decisions if you aren't contributing in any real form. It's funny that YOU call me a virus because i could say the same about you. As useful as cancer.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Two curiosities I have -

Phelps, why did you claim to roleblock Galletta when you targeted Monroe last night? Did Monroe come up as immune? That would end galloways suspicion that Monroe is soft claiming citizen, which I doubt.

Preventing feedback on Earle is no good. OoO would still have him send it, and he doesn't get a message if the target refuses. Only possible way to prevent the article is to roleblock or kill him. Or not write one = scummy

Cafarelli is a good choice to prevent feedback.

Doing attack and healed on Parker is only good if I do not kill tonight. They will assume you are the GF if there are two attacks.

Swap targets dont mean much to me, Dunn will be roleblocked tonight.

Ackerman in my eyes is a confirmed delta. Chapman most likely is too. Earle could be a good kill, but I would rather target someone like Carruthers. Parker is not a good choice, he will be easy to use for mislynches.

[FM Spartacus]

NAZI FM GM logged FM Galletta. He thinks he didn't screw us enough as Arsonist. So he thought he should continue it as FM GM. Sry

[FM Artaxerxes]

NAZI FM GM logged FM Galletta. He thinks he didn't screw us enough as Arsonist. So he thought he should continue it as FM GM. Sry

wot

[Alphege]

You basicly suicided with that article. Lol. You can't even check your day chat account if you got interviewed. You never gave us any single proof or anything about why Parker would be a doc. You even insulted us when we were asking.
It's easy to blame the guys who made the decisions if you aren't contributing in any real form. It's funny that YOU call me a virus because i could say the same about you. As useful as cancer.

I have harmed us in no way, not even killing myself yet. The article was blatantly suckage, but you managed to step into the same situation as me, without even being forced to write an article. Congratulations, you are just as bad at day as I am, but on an easier setting...
It is very easy to blame the people who decided things when they made BLATANTLY poor decisions. Decisions that make me question if you can even tie your own shoes. And decisions that people, me atleast, did say was fucking retarded. It 100% guaranteed the loss of Buchwalter, and at the most got us 2 kills, a ratio that we would not win the game at if we continued.
It's laughable that you selected, selected, to kill a teammate and think you have any ground to stand on.

[FM Attila]

I'm sorry Clem. i'll curb my frustration, :(




Two curiosities I have -

Phelps, why did you claim to roleblock Galletta when you targeted Monroe last night? Did Monroe come up as immune? That would end galloways suspicion that Monroe is soft claiming citizen, which I doubt.

Preventing feedback on Earle is no good. OoO would still have him send it, and he doesn't get a message if the target refuses. Only possible way to prevent the article is to roleblock or kill him. Or not write one = scummy

Cafarelli is a good choice to prevent feedback.

Doing attack and healed on Parker is only good if I do not kill tonight. They will assume you are the GF if there are two attacks.

Swap targets dont mean much to me, Dunn will be roleblocked tonight.

Ackerman in my eyes is a confirmed delta. Chapman most likely is too. Earle could be a good kill, but I would rather target someone like Carruthers. Parker is not a good choice, he will be easy to use for mislynches.




I wouldn't object to a Carruthers kill. He is out of the way and not connected to anyone really. He wouldn't gather a doc target based on his day chat plays. I'm okay with this suggestion.

[Alphege]

wot

agreed.

[FM Attila]

wot

I think he is saying that FM GM logged in his chosen night action as targeting Galletta.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I'm sorry Clem. i'll curb my frustration, :(






I wouldn't object to a Carruthers kill. He is out of the way and not connected to anyone really. He wouldn't gather a doc target based on his day chat plays. I'm okay with this suggestion.

The thing is....At this point, we kind of need Savages to help us against town and I suspect he is actually a savage.

FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Galloway
FM Mendez
FM Phelps


FM Carruthers
FM Earle
FM Monroe
FM Parker
FM Hogeboom
FM Cafarelli

FM Ackerman - Delta
FM Black - I suspect black is a Mason
FM Chapman
FM Fontaine - Delta
FM Galletta
FM Green
FM Hopgood - Bored Delta
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Rose - Delta claimed d2. Possibly Savage
FM Ryan - Delta claim

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think he is saying that FM GM logged in his chosen night action as targeting Galletta.

Oh okay. Well it's for the best. We know that Galletta is not an escort at least. Hitting Monroe wouldve given us less information, since he decided to give it all up anyways.

[Alphege]

FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Galloway
FM Mendez
FM Phelps


FM Carruthers
FM Earle
FM Monroe
FM Parker
FM Hogeboom
FM Cafarelli
FM Ackerman - Delta
FM Black - I suspect black is a Mason
FM Fontaine - Delta
FM Hopgood - Bored Delta
FM Rose - Delta claimed d2. Possibly Savage
FM Ryan - Delta claim

FM Chapman
FM Galletta
FM Green
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason

Claims colored.

[Alphege]

plus black. fuck.

Anyway, we do need to kill Town tonight, and intentioanlly leave the Savages, as I stated on the first page.

[FM Attila]

Kill:
○ Carruther
Drug:
○ Cafarelli {No Feedback}
Bus:
○ Dunn
○ Monroe/Parker/Earle
Roleblock:
○ Hogeboom



Hogeboom looks like a wild card here and I'd rather not take a chance at him being able to kill and targeting one of us. If he is a PR its just a bonus from all I am privy too.
Bussing dunn with these targets can help lessen his suspicion and also keep him from being investigated like he just might be tonight.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I have harmed us in no way, not even killing myself yet. The article was blatantly suckage, but you managed to step into the same situation as me, without even being forced to write an article. Congratulations, you are just as bad at day as I am, but on an easier setting...
It is very easy to blame the people who decided things when they made BLATANTLY poor decisions. Decisions that make me question if you can even tie your own shoes. And decisions that people, me atleast, did say was fucking retarded. It 100% guaranteed the loss of Buchwalter, and at the most got us 2 kills, a ratio that we would not win the game at if we continued.
It's laughable that you selected, selected, to kill a teammate and think you have any ground to stand on.

The only reason this didn't work is that he flipped Journalist and no one counter claimed. Also Buch took way too long to out Earle, which was a huge scumtell. Should've been post number 1 after the double kill. Hindsight is 20/20.

[FM Attila]

FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason

Possible Savages based on their neutral like posts and general apathy. Leary however is more aggressive then the others.

[FM Spartacus]

I have harmed us in no way, not even killing myself yet. The article was blatantly suckage, but you managed to step into the same situation as me, without even being forced to write an article. Congratulations, you are just as bad at day as I am, but on an easier setting...
It is very easy to blame the people who decided things when they made BLATANTLY poor decisions. Decisions that make me question if you can even tie your own shoes. And decisions that people, me atleast, did say was fucking retarded. It 100% guaranteed the loss of Buchwalter, and at the most got us 2 kills, a ratio that we would not win the game at if we continued.
It's laughable that you selected, selected, to kill a teammate and think you have any ground to stand on.

He killed himself. It would have worked out. If he had claimed that he gave the soma to earle in his first post. FM Earle would have been misslynched. 2 kills for 1 Also it wasn't my decision to give fake soma out to earle that was his idea. He should have claimed a witched the next night. You catapulted yourself out of the game. You softclaimed for no reason. You just went like HELLO LOOK AT MY NIGHT ACTIONS I AM KIDNAPPER!. Your decisions aren't much better. You ignored the whole night chat. Didn't use the fake swaps for your claims to let yourself look like a bd. All you had to do was to go into the night chat and look over buchwalters list and take the drug swaps.
Like i said.
WE NEEDED THE DOUBLE KILL AND WE EVEN NEED MORE OF THEM BECAUSE THE KPN IS WAY TOO LOW! WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE STAND NO CHANCE WITH 1 KPN AT NIGHT?

Do the math. It was basicly the only chance to win this. Also Benign neuts are not allies.

Also i always asked for suggestions. Was waiting for someone to show up. But you and the other troll had better things to do. Leonardo said why he wasn't here. You guys just had no interest in the game.


Monroe has to die= blocks kills
Hugeboom has to die = swaps kill can kill mafia with a good swap.

Parker is our ally.
Cafarelli needs a feedback block

It's one or the other.

[Alphege]

The only reason this didn't work is that he flipped Journalist and no one counter claimed. Also Buch took way too long to out Earle, which was a huge scumtell. Should've been post number 1 after the double kill. Hindsight is 20/20.

Foresight was 20/20 when I told you people that it GUARANTEED Buchwalter died. double kill, then a potential Earle mislynch, then Buch would die tomorrow. Our lives can not be traded for 2 Town.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Kill:
○ Carruther
Drug:
○ Cafarelli {No Feedback}
Bus:
○ Dunn
○ Monroe/Parker/Earle
Roleblock:
○ Hogeboom



Hogeboom looks like a wild card here and I'd rather not take a chance at him being able to kill and targeting one of us. If he is a PR its just a bonus from all I am privy too.
Bussing dunn with these targets can help lessen his suspicion and also keep him from being investigated like he just might be tonight.

Uh Hogeboom is the bus driver and Mayor is directing Phelps and Monroe to roleblock both Dunn and Hogeboom. So the block on him is good, but not for the reasons you are saying.

The important thing, do you plan on using or passing your SOMA to a confirmed town? If you pass it you will get huge town points imo.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Foresight was 20/20 when I told you people that it GUARANTEED Buchwalter died. double kill, then a potential Earle mislynch, then Buch would die tomorrow. Our lives can not be traded for 2 Town.

3 town if plan worked out. Why are you still on this? We can't bring Buch back so lets just plan for the best. We haven't lost the game yet.

[FM Spartacus]

You guarantee a lot which doesn't work out in the end Dunn. I am really curious about the COM behind.

[FM Spartacus]

3 town if plan worked out. Why are you still on this? We can't bring Buch back so lets just plan for the best. We haven't lost the game yet.

Because he doesn't have anything else he could rant about. That's what trolls do :P

[FM Attila]

Oh damn. I thought it was Hopgood that claimed Bus Driver. It still works however.

Um I thinking about "fake" using soma in the guise of a double heal waiting a day/two and passing it to you and having you kill. If I claim I used the soma tonight I'll get some town cred and "pass" the mayor's test. Then when the mayor gives out soma to someone else tomorrow night I'd pass it to you and you'd use it that night and frame that player as godfather and mislynch him. Risky because the trail could come back to me.

[Alphege]

He killed himself. It would have worked out. If he had claimed that he gave the soma to earle in his first post. FM Earle would have been misslynched. 2 kills for 1 Also it wasn't my decision to give fake soma out to earle that was his idea. He should have claimed a witched the next night. You catapulted yourself out of the game. You softclaimed for no reason. You just went like HELLO LOOK AT MY NIGHT ACTIONS I AM KIDNAPPER!. Your decisions aren't much better. You ignored the whole night chat. Didn't use the fake swaps for your claims to let yourself look like a bd. All you had to do was to go into the night chat and look over buchwalters list and take the drug swaps.
Like i said.
WE NEEDED THE DOUBLE KILL AND WE EVEN NEED MORE OF THEM BECAUSE THE KPN IS WAY TOO LOW! WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE STAND NO CHANCE WITH 1 KPN AT NIGHT?

Do the math. It was basicly the only chance to win this. Also Benign neuts are not allies.

Also i always asked for suggestions. Was waiting for someone to show up. But you and the other troll had better things to do. Leonardo said why he wasn't here. You guys just had no interest in the game.


Monroe has to die= blocks kills
Hugeboom has to die = swaps kill can kill mafia with a good swap.

Parker is our ally.
Cafarelli needs a feedback block

It's one or the other.

2 kills for 1 is a losing ratio.

Witched or not having received the Soma might have worked.

My claim has managed to not convince Parker, the Town is going to go as Parker says, and he isn't even sure of me, just suspicious.

I didn't ignore the night chat, I had other things to do, for a portion of the time I even managed to not have access to the site for a few days. Life is a thing Spartacus.

It isn't 1 KPN, check out what role list looks like if Savages have recruited, Town is smaller than they realize.

Corrupt Journalist was an ally. Check win conditions, moron.

My suggestion was to kill Parker. You ignored it. If you are so good at taking suggestions you should have read him and seen what was up, you instead decided to kill an ally. Yes, corrupt journalist was an ally.

[FM Attila]

2 kills for 1 is a losing ratio.

Witched or not having received the Soma might have worked.

My claim has managed to not convince Parker, the Town is going to go as Parker says, and he isn't even sure of me, just suspicious.

I didn't ignore the night chat, I had other things to do, for a portion of the time I even managed to not have access to the site for a few days. Life is a thing Spartacus.

It isn't 1 KPN, check out what role list looks like if Savages have recruited, Town is smaller than they realize.

Corrupt Journalist was an ally. Check win conditions, moron.

My suggestion was to kill Parker. You ignored it. If you are so good at taking suggestions you should have read him and seen what was up, you instead decided to kill an ally. Yes, corrupt journalist was an ally.

SHUT UP!

[Alphege]

3 town if plan worked out. Why are you still on this? We can't bring Buch back so lets just plan for the best. We haven't lost the game yet.

If plan worked out, odds of plan working out were 1,000,000,000,000/1. I am still on it becasue Smartasscus over here wants to come in and blame everyone else even though he has been infinitely more deterimental to the team. No, we haven't lost yet, and I am here to think, not have this overrated player condemn every idea I put out and defend his shit stain of a game plan.


You guarantee a lot which doesn't work out in the end Dunn. I am really curious about the COM behind.

I guarantee stuff that doesnt work out? I guaranteed Buch would die. And he did.

[Alphege]

SHUT UP!

Talk to Spartacus first.

[FM Attila]

Talk to Spartacus first.

You are the problem. Fix it.

I have to head out for a while and do stuff I can't talk about because of the rules. Please actually use this time to discuss the suggested ideas and come up with your own and debate on them.

[Alphege]

Talk to Spartacus first.

He spends every night condemning me and Leonardo, when we were the ones that said Becket was a horrible kill and I said Buch would be lost for nothing. Yet he insults us. I made one post on page one to say a general 'told you so', then I let it go. Spartacus wants to fight over nothing, then accuse us of not helping when he screws us over.

[FM Artaxerxes]

To the towny who is reading through night chat to figure out how complicated our plans were. Sorry for the disappointment. We actually just bickered the entire time

[Alphege]

You are the problem. Fix it.

I have to head out for a while and do stuff I can't talk about because of the rules. Please actually use this time to discuss the suggested ideas and come up with your own and debate on them.

I am the problem? I can be the problem if you'd like. I have done nothing except suggest a good kill, and suggest we not throw a Mafia member into the fire. Spartacus is the problem.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I am the problem? I can be the problem if you'd like. I have done nothing except suggest a good kill, and suggest we not throw a Mafia member into the fire. Spartacus is the problem.

Alphege lets move on from this. Who cares who the problem is. The problem is that we are arguing over past days instead of planning for what to do today.

I don't think Carruthers is a good kill. He is most likely a coroner, but I suspect he is a savage or will be recruited soon. I would rather take away from town numbers than from Savages atm.

[FM Leonardo]

We haven't lost yet, but it's not going to be easy. Over the next couple days, I predict we will lose Dunn and Phelps, which will leave myself, Mendez, and Galloway. There is a bit of suspicion on me coming from Monroe (and possibly Parker? Not sure, he said he "narrowed me down to two roles" and suggested I be checked), but I think it will be fairly easy to deflect, especially now that I can be more active.

I agree that Parker is mostly harmless for right now. He's not very good at reading people and seems very quick to trust.

If we see no kill from the savages tonight, we will know they are not at maximum capacity (4) yet. If they kill, we know they have 4 members already, and it's likely that one of those members is a claimed investigative role (my money is on the coroner). I intend to suggest this tomorrow in the hopes that it will plant the seed to direct the lynch in future days (after Dunn is lynched).

Galloway/Attila, I think you should try for a more subtle blackmail tomorrow than spamming lines from a play. That blackmail announced my presence to the town, which wasn't a bad move at the time since it causes them to question everything anyone says now as a possible product of a blackmail, but doing it again wouldn't help us all that much. It's the closest thing I have to a silence, I suppose, but at this stage why would a blackmailer silence you over a confirmed PR? It doesn't add up. It would make more sense for me to use you to accuse someone or something like that.

Perhaps you should post as if I accused you to vote/FoS Parker. This will do two things-
1. Instantly make everyone aware that you're blackmailed.
2. Show that it is the second day of the blackmail (because we would've sent it before Parker revealed. Otherwise, why FoS a revealed mayor?)

What do we think of that?

[Alphege]

Alphege lets move on from this. Who cares who the problem is. The problem is that we are arguing over past days instead of planning for what to do today.

I don't think Carruthers is a good kill. He is most likely a coroner, but I suspect he is a savage or will be recruited soon. I would rather take away from town numbers than from Savages atm.

Me. If Attila and Spartacus are so blind that they want to circlejerk themselves into killing teammates, and attack the people in the chat that question this then they can go fuck themselves.

I've made my suggestions, as well as layed out my ideas for Galloway.

Kill- hogeboom, it only hurts me and helps us net the Cafarelli lynch
Block- someone
Drug- attacked healed to Parker (Savage kill), for a Galloway Doctor claim
Blackmail(if we can)- Carruthers to have detected Ballard as a Investigator->Savage Investigator (this helps accuse Cafarelli)
Swap(just incase)- Mendez and Cafarelli

[Alphege]

What if I accuse Parker? Galloway isn't in as much pressure as I am, and the gamble might work as Parker isn't very assured of the Kidnapper.

[FM Spartacus]

There is not much to plan for tonight. We have not many options to begin with which could help us that much.

The logical kill is Hugeboom to get another blackmail for tonight for somebody else.
With a feedback drug on Cafarelli to be sure and a witch drug on somebody else. The Soma? I don't know. Either give it to the GF or double drug tonight. Witch drug on someone is a bit risky because we don't know who the witch gonna abuse tonight. Probably me or Monroe. Hopefully Monroe though.

So i would block him while you shoot him. Only the witch can screw this up. MY guess is that Hugeboom will drive himself tonight because he knows we gonna try to kill him tonight. He will switch himself with Dunn or Monroe i guess. That's the most 2 logical swaps for him.

[FM Spartacus]

What if I accuse Parker? Galloway isn't in as much pressure as I am, and the gamble might work as Parker isn't very assured of the Kidnapper.

How do you plan to accuse a revealed Mayor?

[Alphege]

There is not much to plan for tonight. We have not many options to begin with which could help us that much.

The logical kill is Hugeboom to get another blackmail for tonight for somebody else.
With a feedback drug on Cafarelli to be sure and a witch drug on somebody else. The Soma? I don't know. Either give it to the GF or double drug tonight. Witch drug on someone is a bit risky because we don't know who the witch gonna abuse tonight. Probably me or Monroe. Hopefully Monroe though.

So i would block him while you shoot him. Only the witch can screw this up. MY guess is that Hugeboom will drive himself tonight because he knows we gonna try to kill him tonight. He will switch himself with Dunn or Monroe i guess. That's the most 2 logical swaps for him.


The logical kill is Hugeboom to get another blackmail for tonight for somebody else.
With a feedback drug on Cafarelli to be sure and a witch drug on somebody else. The Soma? I don't know. Either give it to the GF or double drug tonight. Witch drug on someone is a bit risky because we don't know who the witch gonna abuse tonight. Probably me or Monroe. Hopefully Monroe though.



Either give it to the GF or double drug tonight.



give it to the GF

why?

I danced around this idea, but it is mostly hinging on the idea that Galloway is guaranteed to die, which isn't exactly true. Please explain.

[FM Artaxerxes]

We haven't lost yet, but it's not going to be easy. Over the next couple days, I predict we will lose Dunn and Phelps, which will leave myself, Mendez, and Galloway. There is a bit of suspicion on me coming from Monroe (and possibly Parker? Not sure, he said he "narrowed me down to two roles" and suggested I be checked), but I think it will be fairly easy to deflect, especially now that I can be more active.

I agree that Parker is mostly harmless for right now. He's not very good at reading people and seems very quick to trust.

If we see no kill from the savages tonight, we will know they are not at maximum capacity (4) yet. If they kill, we know they have 4 members already, and it's likely that one of those members is a claimed investigative role (my money is on the coroner). I intend to suggest this tomorrow in the hopes that it will plant the seed to direct the lynch in future days (after Dunn is lynched).

Galloway/Attila, I think you should try for a more subtle blackmail tomorrow than spamming lines from a play. That blackmail announced my presence to the town, which wasn't a bad move at the time since it causes them to question everything anyone says now as a possible product of a blackmail, but doing it again wouldn't help us all that much. It's the closest thing I have to a silence, I suppose, but at this stage why would a blackmailer silence you over a confirmed PR? It doesn't add up. It would make more sense for me to use you to accuse someone or something like that.

Perhaps you should post as if I accused you to vote/FoS Parker. This will do two things-
1. Instantly make everyone aware that you're blackmailed.
2. Show that it is the second day of the blackmail (because we would've sent it before Parker revealed. Otherwise, why FoS a revealed mayor?)

What do we think of that?

Interesting. Lets write up a blackmail that he can post to confirm this. Also it will have to be decent evidence and nothing from d5. Definitely need to add in a part about how Parker is trying to get the confirmed Investigator lynched. That will make them think Mafia is trying to protect Cafarelli.

Leo, with Hogeboom being blackmailed as well, do you think that he could be a threat to this fake blackmail? If we fake a blackmail TODAY, we can not kill Hogeboom. Because if we send a new blackmail, then it would reveal that Galloway is faking it.


So for clarification -

Killing Hogeboom = Do not fake a blackmail tomorrow
Killing someone else = Fake a blackmail, but it could put unneeded suspicion on you and discredit his blackmail.

[Alphege]

How do you plan to accuse a revealed Mayor?

Poorly, and blatantly blackamiled.

[Alphege]

Killing Hogeboom = Do not fake a blackmail tomorrow
Killing someone else = Fake a blackmail, but it could put unneeded suspicion on you and discredit his blackmail.

What? Killing Hogeboom should not be any different. In either case we have someone who knows there is a blackmail faker, as they are blackmailed. It is either Hogeboom or someone else.

[FM Leonardo]

There is not much to plan for tonight. We have not many options to begin with which could help us that much.

The logical kill is Hugeboom to get another blackmail for tonight for somebody else.
With a feedback drug on Cafarelli to be sure and a witch drug on somebody else. The Soma? I don't know. Either give it to the GF or double drug tonight. Witch drug on someone is a bit risky because we don't know who the witch gonna abuse tonight. Probably me or Monroe. Hopefully Monroe though.

So i would block him while you shoot him. Only the witch can screw this up. MY guess is that Hugeboom will drive himself tonight because he knows we gonna try to kill him tonight. He will switch himself with Dunn or Monroe i guess. That's the most 2 logical swaps for him.

I don't know that blackmailing someone else is really important. I say let Galloway claim bmed. He is more trusted than Hoge. Maybe it will get hoge mislynched and buy Dunn another day.

[Alphege]

I don't know that blackmailing someone else is really important. I say let Galloway claim bmed. He is more trusted than Hoge. Maybe it will get hoge mislynched and buy Dunn another day.

Hoge won't be mislynched. Especially if we let him go into tomorrow planning to claim investigator....
He should die to keep the hope of mislynching Cafarelli alive.

[FM Leonardo]

Interesting. Lets write up a blackmail that he can post to confirm this. Also it will have to be decent evidence and nothing from d5. Definitely need to add in a part about how Parker is trying to get the confirmed Investigator lynched. That will make them think Mafia is trying to protect Cafarelli.

Leo, with Hogeboom being blackmailed as well, do you think that he could be a threat to this fake blackmail? If we fake a blackmail TODAY, we can not kill Hogeboom. Because if we send a new blackmail, then it would reveal that Galloway is faking it.


So for clarification -

Killing Hogeboom = Do not fake a blackmail tomorrow
Killing someone else = Fake a blackmail, but it could put unneeded suspicion on you and discredit his blackmail.

I vote not to kill Hogeboom tonight. He's being blocked anyway, and killing him tonight basically ensures Dunn's death tomorrow. If we count on Galloway's fake bm to discredit him, he might get lynched, which allows Dunn to survive a bit longer.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Poorly, and blatantly blackamiled.

PLEASE give us the blackmail note you plan on using. They will request it after you complete the blackmail.

Let me clarify again

If we kill Hogeboom, Our blackmailer is free to send a new blackmail. So then the person being blackmailed will know that Galloway is faking. Also depending on who we target, they could easily just reveal the blackmail, and cause a lynch on galloway. A town will gladly sacrifice themselves to kill one of us.

[FM Spartacus]

Because the gf has a vest. and has higher chances not to die. Also i doubt that Galloway is gonna get witched tonight. What else do you want to do with the soma? It has to be used tonight or tomorrow night anway.

Double drug, double kill, double bm? Double BM seriously?

That blackmail fake accusing a revealed mayor is very obvious. I doubt that somebody will believe this. It might get you lynched even faster, you are already scummy enough.

[FM Leonardo]

Hoge won't be mislynched. Especially if we let him go into tomorrow planning to claim investigator....
He should die to keep the hope of mislynching Cafarelli alive.

He'll be claiming investigator and Galloway will be FoSing the revealed mayor. Two obvious blackmails. One must be false. I think they'll choose Galloway over Hoge. But if you guys disagree, we can do something else.

[Alphege]

I vote not to kill Hogeboom tonight. He's being blocked anyway, and killing him tonight basically ensures Dunn's death tomorrow. If we count on Galloway's fake bm to discredit him, he might get lynched, which allows Dunn to survive a bit longer.

A claimed Bus Driver is going to claim Investigator? Hogeboom's blackmail will outdue Galloways claim. Then I will still be mislynched, Galloway will look ever so scummy, and the Cafarelli mislynch because impossible once the Blackmail clearly was targetting him.

It is TRYING to save me, which wont work, and instead gambling Galloway and the mislynch of Cafarelli.

-KILL HOGEBOOM

[Alphege]

PLEASE give us the blackmail note you plan on using. They will request it after you complete the blackmail.

Let me clarify again

If we kill Hogeboom, Our blackmailer is free to send a new blackmail. So then the person being blackmailed will know that Galloway is faking. Also depending on who we target, they could easily just reveal the blackmail, and cause a lynch on galloway. A town will gladly sacrifice themselves to kill one of us.

You guys can come up with a better blackmail note than I can. Group effort, go.

[FM Leonardo]

That blackmail fake accusing a revealed mayor is very obvious. I doubt that somebody will believe this. It might get you lynched even faster, you are already scummy enough.

That's the point. It's supposed to be obvious. Town is supposed to figure out it's a blackmail so that they trust Galloway.

[Alphege]

Because the gf has a vest. and has higher chances not to die. Also i doubt that Galloway is gonna get witched tonight. What else do you want to do with the soma? It has to be used tonight or tomorrow night anway.

Double drug, double kill, double bm? Double BM seriously?

That blackmail fake accusing a revealed mayor is very obvious. I doubt that somebody will believe this. It might get you lynched even faster, you are already scummy enough.

Or... not use the soma? Since it is attached to us? You guys are thinking of soma as a bonus, Soma is a trap we have fallen into, and dont need to fall into again. If anything we double drug.

[FM Spartacus]

That's the point. It's supposed to be obvious. Town is supposed to figure out it's a blackmail so that they trust Galloway.

This is too easy to look through. It really smells like a mafia faking bm.

[Alphege]

That's the point. It's supposed to be obvious. Town is supposed to figure out it's a blackmail so that they trust Galloway.

They won't when the claimed Bus Driver claims Investigator.
And attack on the Mayor is one thing, a double role claim from a player is another.

[Alphege]

This is too easy to look through. It really smells like a mafia faking bm.

Which will be more clear once Hogeboom is also blackmailed...

[FM Spartacus]

We shouldn't create more counter claim scenarios the outcomming is always the same. If it works the town gets lynched and right after the mafia follows.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Which will be more clear once Hogeboom is also blackmailed...

A confirmed bus driver claiming blackmailed after he revealed he bussed himself with Rose. People will believe that we tried to target rose.

[FM Leonardo]

Very well. Do something else then. It was just an idea.

[FM Spartacus]

Nah it's ok i wont participate much tonight. Do as you please.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Are you guys willing to Sacrifice another Mafia and an important one? I mean Dunn of course. Losing Buch was not that bad since we still have gallow.

[Alphege]

Are you guys willing to Sacrifice another Mafia and an important one? I mean Dunn of course. Losing Buch was not that bad since we still have gallow.

I have at best 2 days, most likely. And if they are coordinating roleblocks on me I am not very valuable. If we kill Hogeboom I die, but I will die anyways, and the hope to mislynch Cafaralli remains. We need mislynches to defend Phelps and eventually Galloway. It also lets us throw the fake blackmail into things for Galloway or even myself. Something that isn't an option if we let Hogeboom live.

[Alphege]

Hogeboom is not a priority, but is THE priority, since his life defends Cafaralli and limits us.

[Alphege]

Blackmail idea.
"Claim that Phelps was the author of your article for night 6"
Make him question internally if Phelps is Mafia.
If tomorrow is dedicated to me, and the day after is a Cafaralli lynch, then on day 8 Phelps might have defense in Earle.

[Alphege]

Earle might be corrupt, since he didn't out me immediately, and in fact only did in a defense. That looks scummy to me, but as of right now they trust him. We should use him.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Earle might be corrupt, since he didn't out me immediately, and in fact only did in a defense. That looks scummy to me, but as of right now they trust him. We should use him.

Agreed. He however seems to want to side with us instead of the Savages, seeing as how he did not reveal the Delta as Fontaine until he had to.

[FM Attila]

Lets leave fake BM on me for another day. I think its too soon and too strange at this moment.

[Alphege]

So. Kill Hogeboom?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I just thought of something nasty.

We kill Hogeboom. Send a blackmail to whoever -

Dunn fakes that he is blackmailed saying the following.

In your own words Dunn say something like this, I can't copy your writing style -
I was blackmailed last night. Since Hogeboom is dead I do not want to cause a mislynch so I am going to go ahead and become a citizen but I think it's worth it in this case. Now we can lynch a good target.



bla bla bla typical fm talk
Post the following phrase -
So the suspicion on me because I did not answer the interview is complete bogus. I just forgot to check my account because I had a lot of real life things to do and didn't expect anyone to interview me. Seriously why me? The FM GM decided that I could have another chance and write it for the End of day so I did.

Some extra things
Ackerman is 100% town
Parker is a shitty mayor for giving Soma to Buch
Rose and Ryan are most likely Savages.
Cafarelli can not be a consig, probably a savage since he keeps getting feedback blocked


Thoughts on this? It would let us kill Hogeboom and imo give Dunn the best chance of surviving. We should send the other blackmail to one of the PR's so if they counterclaim they will be forced to become a citizen.

[FM Spartacus]

Lets leave fake BM on me for another day. I think its too soon and too strange at this moment.


You can't fake blackmailed anyway. Town knows that Hugeboom is blackmailed he claimed it yesterday at day chat... That would have been suicide to begin with.

[FM Spartacus]

I just thought of something nasty.

We kill Hogeboom. Send a blackmail to whoever -

Dunn fakes that he is blackmailed saying the following.

In your own words Dunn say something like this, I can't copy your writing style -
I was blackmailed last night. Since Hogeboom is dead I do not want to cause a mislynch so I am going to go ahead and become a citizen but I think it's worth it in this case. Now we can lynch a good target.



bla bla bla typical fm talk
Post the following phrase -
So the suspicion on me because I did not answer the interview is complete bogus. I just forgot to check my account because I had a lot of real life things to do and didn't expect anyone to interview me. Seriously why me? The FM GM decided that I could have another chance and write it for the End of day so I did.

Some extra things
Ackerman is 100% town
Parker is a shitty mayor for giving Soma to Buch
Rose and Ryan are most likely Savages.
Cafarelli can not be a consig, probably a savage since he keeps getting feedback blocked


Thoughts on this? It would let us kill Hogeboom and imo give Dunn the best chance of surviving. We should send the other blackmail to one of the PR's so if they counterclaim they will be forced to become a citizen.

Why should Dunn claim his blackmail tomorrow already? There is no drawback for waiting until day 3 because the role is flawed.

[FM Spartacus]

kill hugeboom
block hugeboom
galloway uses soma
drugs witch on ackerman, drugs surpress feedback on cafarelli
alphege skips claims + 1 block tomorrow

blackmailer changes role to a disguiser.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Why should Dunn claim his blackmail tomorrow already? There is no drawback for waiting until day 3 because the role is flawed.

He would claim because if he didn't he would die.

[FM Spartacus]

and how does this not getting him lynched?

[FM Artaxerxes]

and how does this not getting him lynched?

Well he could still very well get lynched. But the fake blackmail could throw some sheep off.

the blackmail itself may need rewording, and at the best it could give him an extra day. The idea is that if he sacrificed himself to reveal a blackmail that would cause a mislynch. That's protown.

Worst case scenario he gets lynched and the information from his fake blackmail will be used to confuse town. i.e. Cafarelli cant be a consig

[FM Attila]

I think after tomorrow we can have me claim blackmailed, sending me into a delta role, and also claiming to be bussed. That would ensure my place in the town and enable us to begin progressively pushing onto people like ackermann who lurk and begin lynching them with the mayor. It a small thought.

[Raptorblaze]

Hey guys, when one of the FM hosts asks me to come in and reign in the flaming I get kind of irritated. I know all your COM identities and if I see any more bullshit attacks on one another instead of planning your strategies I'm gonna start infracting mains.

Don't be stupid <3

-Raptor
p.s. I forfeited reserve status to help with this, be on good behavior.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think after tomorrow we can have me claim blackmailed, sending me into a delta role, and also claiming to be bussed. That would ensure my place in the town and enable us to begin progressively pushing onto people like ackermann who lurk and begin lynching them with the mayor. It a small thought.

I'd prefer you not do it because there is no suspicion on you right now. Since Dunn will likely be lynched, we should find a way to make him forceanother PR to counterclaim him.

I think it's a good way to possibly keep Dunn safe. Another possibile addition to the blackmail is to make Dunn claim that he was NOT roleblocked and that he bussed Hogeboom and someone, and send a bussed drug to that same someone. This way it could force the last escort to counterclaim and say he was blocked, on the chance that I think Monroe will not block the people as Parker suggested.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Hey guys, when one of the FM hosts asks me to come in and reign in the flaming I get kind of irritated. I know all your COM identities and if I see any more bullshit attacks on one another instead of planning your strategies I'm gonna start infracting mains.

Don't be stupid <3

-Raptor
p.s. I forfeited reserve status to help with this, be on good behavior.

Raptorblaze is com hunting, ban pls?

[FM Leonardo]

You saw it here first, everyone: a mafia that bickers so much, an admin who isn't even hosting had to come in and threaten to spank infract us.

Guise, we just made history!!!!one!!!one!!!!!one!!

[Raptorblaze]

You saw it here first, everyone: a mafia that bickers so much, an admin who isn't even hosting had to come in and threaten to spank infract us.

Guise, we just made history!!!!one!!!one!!!!!one!!

Actually I could do a lot worse to some of you than just infractions. Bear. That. In. Mind.

My last post on the matter.
/intervention

[FM Attila]

Can we form together a likeable kill target as our first step tonight? I feel overextended trying to decide things all at one.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Can we form together a likeable kill target as our first step tonight? I feel overextended trying to decide things all at one.

Sure.

Kill targets -
Hogeboom (Possibly sacrifices Dunn)
Monroe (Possibly sacrifices Phelp)
Parker *Bad kill, but could be done
Cafarelli *Bad kill, still chance of causing mislynch on him
Carruthers - Decent kill, possible savage though
Earle - Confirmed Journalist, unsure about alignment though. I'd rather target Town than savages right now. It's clear he is not a corrupt journalist though

These players I am unsure about because of general lurking - I suspect at least one of them is a power role.
FM Chapman
FM Galletta
FM Green
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann

Right now, I think our best choice is Hogeboom.
FM Mason

[FM Artaxerxes]

Sure.

Kill targets -
Hogeboom (Possibly sacrifices Dunn)
Monroe (Possibly sacrifices Phelp)
Parker *Bad kill, but could be done
Cafarelli *Bad kill, still chance of causing mislynch on him
Carruthers - Decent kill, possible savage though
Earle - Confirmed Journalist, unsure about alignment though. I'd rather target Town than savages right now. It's clear he is not a corrupt journalist though

These players I am unsure about because of general lurking - I suspect at least one of them is a power role.
FM Chapman
FM Galletta
FM Green
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason

Right now, I think our best choice is Hogeboom.

Fixed

[FM Attila]

You think we should target Kalou to kill? Im suggesting this because he is working through the days finding reads and that could blow up in our face.

[FM Spartacus]

Will there be another blackmail full of loop holes invented 1 hour before the end of the night action dead line?

Stay tuned for N6 The Game of Throws!

[FM Spartacus]

Part II Now with even more douchebaggery!

[Forum Mafia GM]

You guys have less than 7 hours left to decide.
So far the only action that I have is Kill Hogeboom.

[FM Artaxerxes]

You can't fake blackmailed anyway. Town knows that Hugeboom is blackmailed he claimed it yesterday at day chat... That would have been suicide to begin with.

Where did he claim it? Post #?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I will be on for the next 7 hours. So let's discuss this

[FM Spartacus]

Oh hey night already started way b4. the hell.. Wahtever i am interviewed. Also I think FM Hugeboon hinted too strong at his blackmail but check it for yourself. I ve got the links here:



http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326326&viewfull=1#post326326

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326344&viewfull=1#post326344
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326350&viewfull=1#post326350
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326353&viewfull=1#post326353
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20407-Day-5?p=326485&viewfull=1#post326485

I think he should be deltad for it.

^ there...

[FM Leonardo]

Time to get serious. Here's a list of all the people that I think are in the running for tonight's kill and the pros and cons of killing each of them.

Possible Kills:

Cafarelli (Investigator)

Pros:
No investigator = no more finding us at night
One less "confirmed town"
If he flips savage, will completely disrupt town as they think about what other investigative roles might be savages
Is pretty logical and better at reading the situation than most town give him credit for. Eliminating him before he convinces others that he is right is ideal.
Frees our drug dealer to do other things.
Protective roles (if any other than bus driver exist) will likely target the mayor tonight, leaving Cafarelli vulnerable

Cons:
Might have protective roles guarding him
If he's a savage, savages will really start gunning for us

Hogeboom (Bus Driver)

Pros:
We no longer have to worry about accidentally being swapped to kill ourselves
One less confirmable tow role

Cons:
Will basically ensure Dunn's lynch tomorrow
Could also reflect negatively on Phelps


Monroe (Escort)

Pros:
One less escort = one less roleblock that can find/stop us
Phelps will be the only "claimed escort" so if the other escort CCs they might not be believed, which could cause a mislynch
He is on the right track in his scum hunting and eliminating him before he gets too much influence might cause his leads to die with him

Cons:
Will likely confirm Dunn as scum (Monroe is blocking Dunn tonight. They'll probably see this as our way of responding to that even though I would be in favor of killing Monroe no matter who he intended to block tonight)
If aforementioned mislynch of an escort occurs, Phelps will probably be lynched soon afterward.

Parker (Mayor)

Pros:
Mayor go bye bye
Fuck confirmable roles
less town votes

Cons:
If there are any protective roles other than the bus driver left, they will most likely be targeting him tonight
He seems to be pretty gullible, which works to our advantage in the day
We'll lose our supply of soma (he has now given us soma twice in a row)
He can vote us, but not find us, which makes other PRs a higher priority for us to kill, in my opinion

Based on this, I have concluded that Cafarelli is our best kill target for tonight.

[FM Artaxerxes]

^ there...

Thank you. Yeah loopholed.

Well when he reveals that blackmail it will be obvious that Dunn is the kidnap. Only way to is to counterclaim the BM with another bm that makes much more sense. Or kill Hogeboom.

[FM Leonardo]

Oh yeah, for Hogeboom, I forgot to include the blackmailed thing. That's another one for the "pros" column, I guess. I still think Cafarelli is a better kill, though.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Oh yeah, for Hogeboom, I forgot to include the blackmailed thing. That's another one for the "pros" column, I guess. I still think Cafarelli is a better kill, though.

Cafarelli was being grouped with Buch as the consig. We could easily get him mislynched during the day if we play our cards right.

The cons on Hogeboom and Monroe are whats killing me. I suspect Monroe will figure out to roleblock me soon. Especially with how long it took me to unvote Earle....

[FM Leonardo]

I think you overestimate the town's wariness of Cafarelli. I don't think he will be easily lynched at all. Especially not with better targets around like Dunn.

The cons are the main problem. Cafarelli is the only one of those kills that won't essentially confirm one of us is scum. And if he flips savage it could cause mass confusion amongst the town.

[FM Attila]

Are we killing Cafarelli or not? Thats kinda important if I wanna block his feedback.

[FM Attila]

I'm in support of killing him btw.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think we now have an advantage with a hidden Drug dealer. Do you guys think we should NOT use feedback block on Cafarelli? He said he would suicide if we did, but I think if he dies, it reveal that we had 2 drug dealers all along.


If you guys want to kill him, it will make us look retarded for not killing him earlier. If we feedback block him, he is essentially just a bitching citizen.

[FM Spartacus]

my article:

Take this as my last will.

I was blocking Dunn as the plan had stated. If i wasn't witched on somebody else.

So if i am dead by now this means that Dunn is clearly mafia and they saw me as a thread because i can block their night kills.
This makes Dunn the Kidnapper or another mafia who claimed the night actions from the real one. Kidnapper seems to be their strongest role in this game.
It would make sense to have a lesser powerful role claim the night actions. Anyways FM Hugeboom might be Kidnapper as well. He doesn't post much he lurks the whole game.
Lurking is the most easiest way for scum to play the game. Nobody usually calls them out or even checks them. So no one knows what role and alignment they have. It's true
i blocked him N4 don't let anyone else argue against it. It's the full truth.
I suspect the rest of the mafia hiding with the lurkers. I don't know what i should think of Monroe he is really active at day but he has so many logic holes. Almost 2 in every post he does
which makes me believe he is a day blending scum. I think Cafarelli is just a retarded town invest. I would leave him alone.

Plan for Today: Lynch FM Dunn if i am dead, pressure whoever you like. I am dead right? Idgaf anymore!

[FM Leonardo]

Up to you guys. And I'm not necessarily sure that suppressing his feedback tonight would be a bad thing even if we decide to kill him. It could be our safety net in case he survives somehow.

[FM Spartacus]

I think we now have an advantage with a hidden Drug dealer. Do you guys think we should NOT use feedback block on Cafarelli? He said he would suicide if we did, but I think if he dies, it reveal that we had 2 drug dealers all along.


If you guys want to kill him, it will make us look retarded for not killing him earlier. If we feedback block him, he is essentially just a bitching citizen.

suiciding is autoloss. He is just retarded

[FM Artaxerxes]

my article:

Take this as my last will.

I was blocking Dunn as the plan had stated. If i wasn't witched on somebody else.

So if i am dead by now this means that Dunn is clearly mafia and they saw me as a thread because i can block their night kills.
This makes Dunn the Kidnapper or another mafia who claimed the night actions from the real one. Kidnapper seems to be their strongest role in this game.
It would make sense to have a lesser powerful role claim the night actions. Anyways FM Hugeboom might be Kidnapper as well. He doesn't post much he lurks the whole game.
Lurking is the most easiest way for scum to play the game. Nobody usually calls them out or even checks them. So no one knows what role and alignment they have. It's true
i blocked him N4 don't let anyone else argue against it. It's the full truth.
I suspect the rest of the mafia hiding with the lurkers. I don't know what i should think of Monroe he is really active at day but he has so many logic holes. Almost 2 in every post he does
which makes me believe he is a day blending scum. I think Cafarelli is just a retarded town invest. I would leave him alone.

Plan for Today: Lynch FM Dunn if i am dead, pressure whoever you like. I am dead right? Idgaf anymore!
I can agree with this but why would a towny believe Cafarelli is an invest? Mafia would have killed him by now. We know he is an invest but town should be very suspect of him because he hasnt revealed any information and keeps claiming feedback blocked. It should be suspected that he is consig.

[FM Spartacus]

Ok we have a revealed bus driver, a revealed escort. both can screw us over at night. I don't see much of an improvement if we shoot Cafarelli if we can easily shut him down with a feedback surpress. I am a goner soon same goes for Dunn. We gonna get lynched what exactly can you guys do if we are gone? No more blocks on a bd he can just predict your kill targets and swap one of you into an early dead. the escort just blocks the gf no more kills and another free lynch.

Killing Cafarelli doesn't anything for us.



You don't need to kill invests when a drug dealer can just surpress reads and even make fake pairings up. A revealed invest ist the most retarded thing he could have done. He is just useless now.

[FM Spartacus]

Because if i write that i think he is consigliere and i get lynched and somebody reads this again he will think that he surely wasn't on my team. Defending him in my article will make people suspicious of him the days when i am gone. Psychology...

[FM Artaxerxes]

Because if i write that i think he is consigliere and i get lynched and somebody reads this again he will think that he surely wasn't on my team. Defending him in my article will make people suspicious of him the days when i am gone. Psychology...

What is wifom for 500 Alex?

They would expect you to put false reads in there if you flip Mafia. Right now, they aren't sure so they would be confused why you assume he is a invest. It's your article though, I just don't think it is necessary.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Ok we have a revealed bus driver, a revealed escort. both can screw us over at night. I don't see much of an improvement if we shoot Cafarelli if we can easily shut him down with a feedback surpress. I am a goner soon same goes for Dunn. We gonna get lynched what exactly can you guys do if we are gone? No more blocks on a bd he can just predict your kill targets and swap one of you into an early dead. the escort just blocks the gf no more kills and another free lynch.

Killing Cafarelli doesn't anything for us.



You don't need to kill invests when a drug dealer can just surpress reads and even make fake pairings up. A revealed invest ist the most retarded thing he could have done. He is just useless now.

Voice of reason. Thank you. They both can fuck us over, if we are trying to lay low, then we could target Carruthers. Except Hogeboom will do the blackmail and cause the lynch on Dunn.

[FM Leonardo]

Ok we have a revealed bus driver, a revealed escort. both can screw us over at night. I don't see much of an improvement if we shoot Cafarelli if we can easily shut him down with a feedback surpress. I am a goner soon same goes for Dunn. We gonna get lynched what exactly can you guys do if we are gone? No more blocks on a bd he can just predict your kill targets and swap one of you into an early dead. the escort just blocks the gf no more kills and another free lynch.

Killing Cafarelli doesn't anything for us.



You don't need to kill invests when a drug dealer can just surpress reads and even make fake pairings up. A revealed invest ist the most retarded thing he could have done. He is just useless now.

He can find us. My pairing is shitty. It only has one town role which I can't even effectively claim. If he targets me, I'm done for. The bus driver is easy to avoid because now that PRs are revealed we can more accurately predict who he'll target and avoid them.

The escorts are not that dangerous to us right now. They can stop a kill, which will hurt us a bit, but since there are multiple role blockers (one hasn't even claimed yet) they won't know who blocked the scum. And if they try to block our gf again, we can just send someone else to kill. Probably me, since I'm just sitting on my ass every other night anyway.

And let's not forget that Cafarelli already got a scum lynched even after being feedback blocked. So even if we successfully feedback block him for the rest of the game, he still might manage to get us lynched.

I maintain that Cafarelli is the most dangerous player to us right now and that we should kill him tonight.

[FM Leonardo]

Voice of reason. Thank you. They both can fuck us over, if we are trying to lay low, then we could target Carruthers. Except Hogeboom will do the blackmail and cause the lynch on Dunn.

Carruthers is probably a savage. Not worth targeting at this point. Cafarelli is 50/50 savage/town, but at least if he's savage it will unsettle town and would still be worth it.

[FM Leonardo]

We can also just have our DD send a fake blackmail tonight. Since I'm not sending it tonight, I think it can be a different task from Hogeboom's, which will make that person push Hogeboom during the day.

[FM Artaxerxes]

He can find us. My pairing is shitty. It only has one town role which I can't even effectively claim. If he targets me, I'm done for. The bus driver is easy to avoid because now that PRs are revealed we can more accurately predict who he'll target and avoid them.

The escorts are not that dangerous to us right now. They can stop a kill, which will hurt us a bit, but since there are multiple role blockers (one hasn't even claimed yet) they won't know who blocked the scum. And if they try to block our gf again, we can just send someone else to kill. Probably me, since I'm just sitting on my ass every other night anyway.

And let's not forget that Cafarelli already got a scum lynched even after being feedback blocked. So even if we successfully feedback block him for the rest of the game, he still might manage to get us lynched.

I maintain that Cafarelli is the most dangerous player to us right now and that we should kill him tonight.

He can't do anything if we just keep him feedback blocked. I think we can rule out a lookout, since he wouldve revealed the DD awhile ago. I doubt he will get a lynch on us, especially after he revealed that he guessed on Cohen. The problem is that if he attempts a guess, we can not counter claim it. We know he is lying but town does not. The escorts are going to become dangerous when more confirmed PRs reveal. Monroe is also getting pretty accurate guesses on us.

Carruthers is just a way to lay low. I do not want to kill any more savages. We need to start hitting town hard. Hopefully Savages will join us soon.

[FM Artaxerxes]

We can also just have our DD send a fake blackmail tonight. Since I'm not sending it tonight, I think it can be a different task from Hogeboom's, which will make that person push Hogeboom during the day.

Can we send a new fake blackmail tonight? i.e. not a copy of Hogebooms

[Forum Mafia GM]

Can we send a new fake blackmail tonight? i.e. not a copy of Hogebooms


Drug Dealer
You may drug a player with false feedback of your choice OR prevent a player from receiving their night feedback (actions still occur, the player is just not notified about what happened to them at night). The drug dealer cannot prevent a player from receiving feedback from his fellow mafia members.

-Fake roleblock / attacked and healed / bus drive / poison / recruitment to the cult / blacksmith materials received / dousing / witching / jester annoyance / student selected you as a mentor / discovered the interceptor / received Soma / any other possible night feedback
-Fake blackmail (On any given night, you must send the same note as a real blackmailer on your team)
-Fake role feedback (i.e. Your target is a Mafia Architect / Architect / Jailor / Devourer)

It must be the same as the one you sent Hogeboom. Only way out of this is if Hogeboom dies and another real Blackmail is sent out the same night. (if hogeboom survives however, you drug blackmail will be the same as hogebooms and not the new one)

[FM Artaxerxes]

Understood. So that's out of the question.

Alphege, Myself, and Spartacus want to kill Hogeboom

Attila and Leonardo want to kill Cafarelli

Seems pretty straightforward who we are going to kill tonight. This also lets you get to blackmail a new target and Dunn could take my fake blackmail suggestion, or not.

[FM Spartacus]

What is wifom for 500 Alex?

They would expect you to put false reads in there if you flip Mafia. Right now, they aren't sure so they would be confused why you assume he is a invest. It's your article though, I just don't think it is necessary.

But i never blamed him to be consigliere. I was more like herpderp he is savage. I could call him a savage. Yeah. Might work better.

@Leonardo:
I think you are just scared of him because he said he s gonna check you out. He told town that he lied about the pairing of Cohen. How trustworthy is that? I wouldn't trust that guy a single inch if i were town. He rages, he has a lot of holes in his logic. He tunnels for no real reasons. If he wouldn't have a fuckton of luck nobody would give a single **** about him. He is more of a liability for town right now. His death would give them too much information. If we kill him they gonna check who he had the most strife with and they probably will find connections between some of us which we don't want. Sure he is right in many points but he fails to sell them right to town. That's why he isn't much of a threat.

[FM Spartacus]

Understood. So that's out of the question.

Alphege, Myself, and Spartacus want to kill Hogeboom

Attila and Leonardo want to kill Cafarelli

Seems pretty straightforward who we are going to kill tonight. This also lets you get to blackmail a new target and Dunn could take my fake blackmail suggestion, or not.
use soma

we should drug Ackerman or someone else with a false witch: 2 witch claimers tomorrow will be hard for town to take apart. We can't drug monroe with the false witch or he might end up with 2 witch feedbacks. Makes it easy to tell apart. Also i could claim to be witched as well. The thing is stupid town would think that Galloway is the witch who used soma lol.
and surpress cafalleri. renders him useless and he might suicide.

[FM Artaxerxes]

use soma

we should drug Ackerman or someone else with a false witch: 2 witch claimers tomorrow will be hard for town to take apart. We can't drug monroe with the false witch or he might end up with 2 witch feedbacks. Makes it easy to tell apart. Also i could claim to be witched as well. The thing is stupid town would think that Galloway is the witch who used soma lol.
and surpress cafalleri. renders him useless and he might suicide.

Ok so far our night actions -
Send drug feedback prevention to Cafarelli. This can be agreed on by almost everyone.

Thoughts on this?
Roleblock whoever you want and just have Dunn not bus anyone. Dunn can claim roleblocked and they will assume the unrevealed Escort roleblocked whoever you target.

Fake blackmail from Dunn -

2 Witch claimers will either make them assume another drug dealer OR scum. I think Galloway would be the best target for a Witch.

If a Witch targets a player using Soma, will it redirect all targets for the multiple actions?

[FM Attila]

Im really against that mate. Just because coming down to it we need to blend more than ever and doing that exposes me. I'm really okay with expose the second Drug Dealer to prevent feedback on Cafarelli because I want him to rage and destroy his own crediblity, if he even has any.

[FM Attila]

Im really against that mate. Just because coming down to it we need to blend more than ever and doing that exposes me. I'm really okay with expose the second Drug Dealer to prevent feedback on Cafarelli because I want him to rage and destroy his own crediblity, if he even has any.

using soma to give two witchings that is.


Um Im okay with everything suggested so far save for double witching.

[FM Spartacus]

i have to block hugeboom. There is no other way around it.

Nobody said you should double witch. We would have 3 witch claims tomorrow which is a dead give away.

[FM Spartacus]

article update:

which makes me believe he is a day blending scum. I think Cafarelli is some crystal meth addicted Savage. I would leave him to the masons.

[FM Artaxerxes]

using soma to give two witchings that is.


Um Im okay with everything suggested so far save for double witching.
I agree with not double witching. lol

1 should be feedback prevention definitely.
2nd should be somethign like Witched.

Ok then roleblock Hogiebum then.
He would probably attempt to self bus so this is a good move.

So are you attempting to be Monroe in the article then? Because in your article it says you will be roleblocking Dunn.

[FM Spartacus]

The plan stated that i should block Dunn with the other blocker who is still hidden. I just go for the plan. Or did they change it again? Idk

[FM Leonardo]

It must be the same as the one you sent Hogeboom. Only way out of this is if Hogeboom dies and another real Blackmail is sent out the same night. (if hogeboom survives however, you drug blackmail will be the same as hogebooms and not the new one)

I know you quoted the setup in that post in order to try to make a point about reading the setup, but the wording of that line you highlighted (which I read over many times before you quoted it here) can be interpreted to mean that the drug blackmail must be a copy of the real on nights when a real one is sent.

I also don't recall alphege saying anything about wanting to kill Hogeboom. But when he returns he can correct me if I'm wrong.

@Spartacus- Maybe YOU wouldn't trust Cafarelli, but his gambit got a scum lynched, and frankly this town is very determined to sheep the power roles, so I'm not going to count on them to turn on cafarelli any time soon.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Ok so far our night actions -
Send drug feedback prevention to Cafarelli. This can be agreed on by almost everyone.

Thoughts on this?
Roleblock whoever you want and just have Dunn not bus anyone. Dunn can claim roleblocked and they will assume the unrevealed Escort roleblocked whoever you target.

Fake blackmail from Dunn -

2 Witch claimers will either make them assume another drug dealer OR scum. I think Galloway would be the best target for a Witch.

If a Witch targets a player using Soma, will it redirect all targets for the multiple actions?


41. Can Witches witch Soma in any way?
Yes. Witching will redirect the passing of soma, the shooting of blacksmith guns, and the first player the witched player intended to target. (Usually the first player the witched player intended to target is the only player, but this applies to bus drivers or players using soma to perform two night actions).

90. Witch: How does witching interact with the use of guns and the possession or passing of Soma?
Witching will redirect blacksmith gun shots and passing of soma. It cannot force a player to use a gun or pass soma, merely redirect these actions.

91. Witch: Does it matter if the target chose to use soma that night?
If the witched target uses soma, the witch will redirect the first target.


I think that should answer your question.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I know you quoted the setup in that post in order to try to make a point about reading the setup, but the wording of that line you highlighted (which I read over many times before you quoted it here) can be interpreted to mean that the drug blackmail must be a copy of the real on nights when a real one is sent.

I also don't recall alphege saying anything about wanting to kill Hogeboom. But when he returns he can correct me if I'm wrong.

@Spartacus- Maybe YOU wouldn't trust Cafarelli, but his gambit got a scum lynched, and frankly this town is very determined to sheep the power roles, so I'm not going to count on them to turn on cafarelli any time soon.


A claimed Bus Driver is going to claim Investigator? Hogeboom's blackmail will outdue Galloways claim. Then I will still be mislynched, Galloway will look ever so scummy, and the Cafarelli mislynch because impossible once the Blackmail clearly was targetting him.

It is TRYING to save me, which wont work, and instead gambling Galloway and the mislynch of Cafarelli.

-KILL HOGEBOOM

The problem is that if they are confirmed invest, then they would assume we would kill him.

@Spartacus, misread your post i guess, thought you said you had to block hogeboom. If Dunn does nothing and claims roleblocked, and you claim to roleblock him then you can roleblock someone else. The thing is, can we trust the other escorst to roleblock Hogeboom like the Mayor said? If not, we would be throwing it. So yeah, the gamble can go either way.

[FM Artaxerxes]

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My plan for tonights actions

-Attila uses Soma
-Attila drugs Cafarelli with Feedback prevention
-Attila drugs Parker with attacked and healed *Make town think savages are killing now?
-Artaxerxes attacks Hogeboom
-Spartacus roleblocks Hogeboom
-Alphege = No action, claim roleblocked.
-Leonardo blackmails Carruthers "Reveal to town that you checked Ballard and that he was originally an investigator". Something along these lines. Can't be too complicated.
-Buchwalter/Vespasian roll in grave

[FM Attila]

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My plan for tonights actions

-Attila uses Soma
-Attila drugs Cafarelli with Feedback prevention
-Attila drugs Parker with attacked and healed *Make town think savages are killing now?
-Artaxerxes attacks Hogeboom
-Spartacus roleblocks Hogeboom
-Alphege = No action, claim roleblocked.
-Leonardo blackmails Carruthers "Reveal to town that you checked Ballard and that he was originally an investigator". Something along these lines. Can't be too complicated.
-Buchwalter/Vespasian roll in grave

I think I can accept this.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think I can accept this.

Okay. Can I get your thoughts on -

Attack and healed feedback on Parker?

The blackmail? I would like something more specific but along these lines. It discredits Cafarelli being an invest, and makes him look scummy if they mislynch because of it.

[FM Attila]

Okay. Can I get your thoughts on -

Attack and healed feedback on Parker?

The blackmail? I would like something more specific but along these lines. It discredits Cafarelli being an invest, and makes him look scummy if they mislynch because of it.

Savage have two dead and should have recruited each night with some ease so they might kill someone tonight to make things easier for them. If we drug Parker with attack and healed itll give a 50/50 shot at working or failing with the kills. But I don't believe that there will be too much of a problem in the day chat. There is another alpha that I think can get soma so we could easily turn the blame on them instead of me if it backfires. Conclusionly I believe that attack and healed on parker wouldn't be too bad a thing compared to anything else we can do.

The blackmail is fine and it'll help discredit Cafarelli so I'm definately ok with it as well. I think it'll work just fine for us.

[FM Attila]

Blackmail is simple and to the point the only downside is if he doesn't push a lynch on Cafarelli, but seeing his day chat I believe he is more likely a savage and can do so. Good news is we are gonna find out if he is a town or a savage tomorrow I guess.

[FM Spartacus]

lol do what you think is best. also stop capitalizing YOU all the time its offensive.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Blackmail is simple and to the point the only downside is if he doesn't push a lynch on Cafarelli, but seeing his day chat I believe he is more likely a savage and can do so. Good news is we are gonna find out if he is a town or a savage tomorrow I guess.

Interesting thought. Do you think we should reword it in a way to prevent certain loopholes?

[FM Artaxerxes]

lol do what you think is best. also stop capitalizing YOU all the time its offensive.
pls stop using lol, my sister died from texting and driving and the text was lol. it really offends me

[FM Spartacus]

K i am gonna go now because the times are horrible for EU players. gonna stay for another 30 min because of the journalist article:
----
Take this as my last will.

I was blocking Dunn as the plan had stated. If i wasn't witched on somebody else.

So if i am dead by now this means that Dunn is clearly mafia and they saw me as a thread because i can block their night kills.
This makes Dunn the Kidnapper or another mafia who claimed the night actions from the real one. Kidnapper seems to be their strongest role in this game.
It would make sense to have a lesser powerful role claim the night actions. Anyways FM Hugeboom might be Kidnapper as well. He doesn't post much he lurks the whole game.
Lurking is the most easiest way for scum to play the game. Nobody usually calls them out or even checks them. So no one knows what role and alignment they have. It's true
i blocked him N4 don't let anyone else argue against it. It's the full truth.
I suspect the rest of the mafia hiding with the lurkers. I don't know what i should think of Monroe he is really active at day but he has so many logic holes. Almost 2 in every post he does
which makes me believe he is a day blending scum. I think Cafarelli is some crystal meth addicted Savage. I would leave him to the masons.

Plan for Today: Lynch FM Dunn if i am dead, pressure whoever you like. I am dead right? Idgaf anymore!
----

There you have time to suggest something different.


Lol. If she was texting while she was driving she literally begged for it. No mercy sry.

[FM Artaxerxes]

K i am gonna go now because the times are horrible for EU players. gonna stay for another 30 min because of the journalist article:
----
Take this as my last will.

I was blocking Dunn as the plan had stated. If i wasn't witched on somebody else.

So if i am dead by now this means that Dunn is clearly mafia and they saw me as a thread because i can block their night kills.
This makes Dunn the Kidnapper or another mafia who claimed the night actions from the real one. Kidnapper seems to be their strongest role in this game.
It would make sense to have a lesser powerful role claim the night actions. Anyways FM Hugeboom might be Kidnapper as well. He doesn't post much he lurks the whole game.
Lurking is the most easiest way for scum to play the game. Nobody usually calls them out or even checks them. So no one knows what role and alignment they have. It's true
i blocked him N4 don't let anyone else argue against it. It's the full truth.
I suspect the rest of the mafia hiding with the lurkers. I don't know what i should think of Monroe he is really active at day but he has so many logic holes. Almost 2 in every post he does
which makes me believe he is a day blending scum. I think Cafarelli is some crystal meth addicted Savage. I would leave him to the masons.

Plan for Today: Lynch FM Dunn if i am dead, pressure whoever you like. I am dead right? Idgaf anymore!
----

There you have time to suggest something different.


Lol. If she was texting while she was driving she literally begged for it. No mercy sry.
The interview looks good.

Thoughts on the night actions I proposed before u go?

-Attila uses Soma
-Attila drugs Cafarelli with Feedback prevention
-Attila drugs Parker with attacked and healed *Make town think savages are killing now?
-Artaxerxes attacks Hogeboom
-Spartacus roleblocks Hogeboom
-Alphege = No action, claim roleblocked.
-Leonardo blackmails Carruthers "Reveal to town that you checked Ballard and that he was originally an investigator". Something along these lines. Can't be too complicated.
-Buchwalter/Vespasian roll in grave

[FM Ferengi]

Can we send a new fake blackmail tonight? i.e. not a copy of Hogebooms


It must be the same as the one you sent Hogeboom. Only way out of this is if Hogeboom dies and another real Blackmail is sent out the same night. (if hogeboom survives however, you drug blackmail will be the same as hogebooms and not the new one)


I know you quoted the setup in that post in order to try to make a point about reading the setup, but the wording of that line you highlighted (which I read over many times before you quoted it here) can be interpreted to mean that the drug blackmail must be a copy of the real on nights when a real one is sent.

Correction

I'm sorry if this was unclear: The intent of the role card was to say that the drug blackmail must be a copy of the real one on a night when a real one is sent. Therefore if FM Attila wants to drug a blackmail he can send anything he wants in the note, regardless of what completed/uncompleted blackmails are still out there. There are only restrictions on what blackmail notes may be drugged if the real blackmailer is sending a blackmail on the same night.

[FM Spartacus]

Oh and my grand-grand father died in a concentration camp... he fell drunk from a guard tower at night.

[FM Spartacus]

Correction

I'm sorry if this was unclear: The intent of the role card was to say that the drug blackmail must be a copy of the real one on a night when a real one is sent. Therefore if FM Attila wants to drug a blackmail he can send anything he wants in the note, regardless of what completed/uncompleted blackmails are still out there. There are only restrictions on what blackmail notes may be drugged if the real blackmailer is sending a blackmail on the same night.

Lol! Oh glad we know that one now. So it was totaly possible to drug a fake blackmail in the enights where the Blackmailer was basicly roleblocked because his target didn't had the bm carried out.

Well better late then never!

[FM Artaxerxes]

Lol! Oh glad we know that one now. So it was totaly possible to drug a fake blackmail in the enights where the Blackmailer was basicly roleblocked because his target didn't had the bm carried out.

Well better late then never!

LOL!

This.....Changes.....Nothing?

We still don't want that dumbfuck blackmail out there. I stlil want to keep the same plan we have currently

[FM Spartacus]

The interview looks good.

Thoughts on the night actions I proposed before u go?

-Attila uses Soma
-Attila drugs Cafarelli with Feedback prevention
-Attila drugs Parker with attacked and healed *Make town think savages are killing now?
-Artaxerxes attacks Hogeboom
-Spartacus roleblocks Hogeboom
-Alphege = No action, claim roleblocked.
-Leonardo blackmails Carruthers "Reveal to town that you checked Ballard and that he was originally an investigator". Something along these lines. Can't be too complicated.
-Buchwalter/Vespasian roll in grave

i agree to the soma use, the cafarelli surpress the kill and block target as well.

the rest looks improveworthy.
What do we gain if we drug parker with attacked and healed? Will this make any difference tomorrow if the savages kill or not? I don'T think so. Worst case they really killed somebody and the drugging is just telling them what our dealer did.

and no idea about blackmails. It's too complicated for my troll mind.

[FM Spartacus]

Only Canadians and Asians can utilize blackmailer to its fullest! I am neither of both.

[FM Artaxerxes]

i agree to the soma use, the cafarelli surpress the kill and block target as well.

the rest looks improveworthy.
What do we gain if we drug parker with attacked and healed? Will this make any difference tomorrow if the savages kill or not? I don'T think so. Worst case they really killed somebody and the drugging is just telling them what our dealer did.

and no idea about blackmails. It's too complicated for my troll mind.
That's true about the attack and healed. Best case though, I get roleblocked and town considers me and all the other roleblocked people 100% town.

Good thing I'm a canadian asian, friend. inb4 com hunted

[FM Spartacus]

Yeah, yeah the Staffia. Anyways. Send the Article aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaandd i am gone.

The worst 2 groups on sc2mafia.

The Circlejerkers and the sc2mafia staff.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Yeah, yeah the Staffia. Anyways. Send the Article aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaandd i am gone.

The worst 2 groups on sc2mafia.

The Circlejerkers and the sc2mafia staff.
Lol

Anyways someone needs to discuss these actions with me.
-Attila uses Soma *derp
-Attila drugs Cafarelli with Feedback prevention *Necessary
-Attila drugs Parker with attacked and healed *Make town think savages are killing now? Worst case secnaio Cult does kill and then the drug dealer is revealed OR Galloway is thought to be Godfather? Best case scenario, I get roleblocked or get witched onto Savage GF. I want some feedback on this definitely
-Artaxerxes attacks Hogeboom
-Spartacus roleblocks Hogeboom *To prevent him from self bus
-Alphege = No action, claim roleblocked. *To let phelps claim he blocked Dunn. If he is roleblocked, he can say he was roleblocked twice.
-Leonardo blackmails Carruthers "Reveal to town that you checked Ballard and that he was originally an investigator". Something along these lines. Can't be too complicated. *Something like this, causes suspicion on Cafarelli and most likely a mislynch. If the mislynch happens, it will be assumed that Carruthers is a Savage, which is good for us.
-Buchwalter/Vespasian roll in grave

[FM Attila]

I don't really have any objections to the plan. Might as well red it and lock it in from my pov

[FM Artaxerxes]

I don't really have any objections to the plan. Might as well red it and lock it in from my pov

Ok. What If I change the blackmail to -

Reveal to the town that you checked FM Ballard last night and that his original role was Investigator. Do not reveal any information that would counterclaim this. If you do not do this on the first night we will kill you at night.
Is this blackmail acceptable?

The problem with the blackmail as I see it is the lack of a last will. A investigator would definitely have a last will imo. Perhaps we could make it in a code, so that it seems like he was trying to hide information in the will from the town while Savage coroner could easily figure it out with a code. huehuehue
I will wait until everyone has time to add their opinion. Also, Dunn do you plan on faking blackmail or not? We need to discuss this tonight if you are. We need to discuss your defense since Hogeboom's death will put a lot of suspicion on you.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Not the final blackmail, I plan on adding in a last will that he should reveal as well. If that's acceptable?

[Forum Mafia GM]

This is acceptable so far. Adding a last will however would make 2 claims. If you want him to do both, you would have to word it similar to the one you gave hogeboom, in other words: -Say a certain phrase during the day instead of claim this and this, but don't claim this.

Of course, this opens up loopholes.

[FM Spartacus]

1:40 hours left until Master troll will post one minute left until night actions!

[FM Artaxerxes]

1:40 hours left until Master troll will post one minute left until night actions!

How is this for a blackmail?

Reveal to the town that you checked FM Ballard last night and that his original role was Investigator and last will was in some kind of code that you wont post because it will help the Savages. Do not reveal any information that would counterclaim this. If you do not do this on the first night we will kill you at night.
Is this Blackmail acceptable?

[FM Spartacus]

Probably useless because he just will claim this in 2 days from now when it doesn't make much sense anymore.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Probably useless because he just will claim this in 2 days from now when it doesn't make much sense anymore.

Okay. If we change it to "I checked Ballard and ..." instead of last night? So if he tries to reveal it in 2 days and the part were he cant reveal anything that would counterclaim it prevents him from saying his actual investigation.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Reveal to the town that you checked FM Ballard and that his original role was Investigator and last will was in a code that you wont post because it would help the Savages. Do not reveal any information that would counterclaim this. If you do not do this on the first night we will kill you at night.

UPDATED. TEAM CRITIQUE THIS IF YOU ARE HERE.
FM, Is this acceptable?

[FM Spartacus]

Blackmailer is a shitty underpowered role. It's pathethic. If i ever host a game i ll make sure the Hosts will get the role. I will just put it in for them to "ENJOY"

[FM Artaxerxes]

Blackmailer is a shitty underpowered role. It's pathethic. If i ever host a game i ll make sure the Hosts will get the role. I will just put it in for them to "ENJOY"

Lol, cmon do help me out...

[FM Spartacus]

I don't know how...

[FM Spartacus]

There is no guaranteed way how we can get him to claim this tomorrow. He can hint at it the whole day like FM Hugeboom without any consequences. I am sorry i don't know what we could possibly do?! I am out of ideas...

[FM Artaxerxes]

I don't know how...

Any obvious loop holes in the blackmail on Carruthers?

or any problems with the rest of the night actions? I still need a different option instead of the attack and healed on parker.

Btw you are sounding like night2 leonardo, haha. He was only able to hint at it because he bussed himself with Rose and rose called him out on it. Carruthers will have 0 way of hinting about it.

He cant claim he checked anyone else because it would cause him to get DELTA'd. No counterclaiming in the BM.

What kidn of hint, besides saying he is "not blackmailed" which is jsut a cheap way of bringing blackmailed attention on yourself. Hogeboom was asked, if no one asks him, he can not say this.

If someone does call him out on being blackmailed, I will suspect they are savages.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Phelps, I'm gonna miss you if you die. You the only one that talks to me before night ends.

[FM Spartacus]

You have to prewrite the exact claim or he can troll claim it. like HERPDERP I CHECKED BALLTARD HE WAS REAL INVEST






















JUST KIDDING

[FM Spartacus]

Phelps, I'm gonna miss you if you die. You the only one that talks to me before night ends.

Well. I will gain lots of free time when i die. For Ck2 :love:

[FM Artaxerxes]

You have to prewrite the exact claim or he can troll claim it. like HERPDERP I CHECKED BALLTARD HE WAS REAL INVEST












JUST KIDDING


LOL he could. But if I prewrite than I can't tell him not to counterclaim it. Thats the part that will stop him, he can't say anything that will counterclaim this. So no just kidding or that shit bishop pulled like -

He is invest
He is delta
He is derpoff



CK2? COM CONFIRMED.

[FM Spartacus]

why no witch drug? Maybe the witch witches Cafarelli again and he will get no witch feedback. Gonna look weird tomorrow.

Bishop just taunted us. Lol. Smart guy he was! Well in the end he died for our sins!

How will this claim help us? He will do everything he can to hint at being BM'ed and reveal it at the end of the 2. day just 1 vote b4 the lynch. Blackmailer underpowered shit k?

[FM Artaxerxes]

why no witch drug? Maybe the witch witches Cafarelli again and he will get no witch feedback. Gonna look weird tomorrow.

Bishop just taunted us. Lol. Smart guy he was! Well in the end he died for our sins!

How will this claim help us? He will do everything he can to hint at being BM'ed and reveal it at the end of the 2. day just 1 vote b4 the lynch. Blackmailer underpowered shit k?

Well we could. But who would be a good target for Witch drug?

[FM Spartacus]

Who do we expect as 2. roleblocker? Town has 2 escorts. Ryan the delta claimer might be escort. BUT HOW THE FUCK CAN I KNOW? THIS GAME HAS SO MANY LURKERS WHO AREN'T GETTING MODKILLED FOR IT!

No idea... Monroe is a bad target, he might be the real witch target for tonight. Parker useless he has no soma to give anyone tonight.

It's too late to find the other Escort.

[FM Leonardo]

My critique of the blackmail is that I fail to see how it helps us. What if Ballard really was an investigator? And even if he wasn't... Do we care? It might discredit Cafarelli... Or it might not. And it'll take at least two days before we find out.

I'd rather just use one of our night actions to ensure a kill on Cafarelli now instead of using 3 (drug, blackmail, and kill on Hogeboom) to maybe kill him in the future.

[FM Spartacus]

Whatever i am out... 30 mins left don't forget to lock my night action in. It's really amazing how half of the team can't check the night chat when it's not even 11 pm for them. Ridicoulus.

[FM Artaxerxes]

My critique of the blackmail is that I fail to see how it helps us. What if Ballard really was an investigator? And even if he wasn't... Do we care? It might discredit Cafarelli... Or it might not. And it'll take at least two days before we find out.

I'd rather just use one of our night actions to ensure a kill on Cafarelli now instead of using 3 (drug, blackmail, and kill on Hogeboom) to maybe kill him in the future.

If Ballard was the investigator than it outs Cafarelli as a savage to town. Unless you are implying that there were 2 investigators.

Killing Cafarelli is just a waste of a kill imo. We have to roleblock Hogeboom anyways, and we can't take back the blackmail, so might as well kill him now. Cafarelli is not going to be able to confirm himself if we keep preventing his feedback.

We need to change the attack and healed drug from Parker. His logic makes me think he will assume Galloway is the GF....I aint trying to get into that.

[FM Spartacus]

But spamming shit on skype. As usual.

[FM Leonardo]

If Ballard was the investigator than it outs Cafarelli as a savage to town. Unless you are implying that there were 2 investigators.

Killing Cafarelli is just a waste of a kill imo. We have to roleblock Hogeboom anyways, and we can't take back the blackmail, so might as well kill him now. Cafarelli is not going to be able to confirm himself if we keep preventing his feedback.

We need to change the attack and healed drug from Parker. His logic makes me think he will assume Galloway is the GF....I aint trying to get into that.

We had two drug dealers. There are two escorts. Do you really think 2 investigators is impossible?

[FM Leonardo]

I say let Hoge do the blackmail. Who gives a shit. He could be faking it. If one of us (Galloway) fakes one, then they have to choose which of those two they believe. I really don't see why tonight has to center around Hogeboom. He doesn't matter. He won't find us. Cafarelii will find us.

[FM Artaxerxes]

We had two drug dealers. There are two escorts. Do you really think 2 investigators is impossible?

I do with the savages being just a cult of investigative roles.

Cafarelli will not find us if we keep a feedback prevention on him. He is useless right now and an easy mislynch target.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I'd like to remind you that there is absolutely no punishment for breaking a DRUGGED blackmail.

As I said before, a real blackmail would not allow the "and and and" parts and neither will a fake one be allowed.

[FM Artaxerxes]

This is acceptable so far. Adding a last will however would make 2 claims. If you want him to do both, you would have to word it similar to the one you gave hogeboom, in other words: -Say a certain phrase during the day instead of claim this and this, but don't claim this.

Of course, this opens up loopholes.


I'd like to remind you that there is absolutely no punishment for breaking a DRUGGED blackmail.

As I said before, a real blackmail would not allow the "and and and" parts and neither will a fake one be allowed.


So this is not acceptable? I only added in the "and last will was in a code" and removed the "last night" to just checked.

Reveal to the town that you checked FM Ballard and that his original role was Investigator and last will was in a code that you wont post because it would help the Savages. Do not reveal any information that would counterclaim this. If you do not do this on the first night we will kill you at night.

[FM Leonardo]

I highly doubt he will be mislynched. He has already proved himself to be valuable to town. Even if he's savage, why would they bother lynching him? He can just absorb one of our night actions every night for the rest of the game until they find all the other scum and kill them.

We've already spent 3 nights blocking his feedback. Now you want to use 3 MORE night actions to supress him when we could just kill him and do other things. I doubt he'll be lynched, but even IF he is, was it worth it? 6 night actions just to kill one person? That's a full night's worth of stuff (1.2 nights now that Buch is dead) that we could've used on other people. It's so inefficient. I think it's a huge mistake.

[Forum Mafia GM]

You have 15 minutes.

Please post your finalized bolded red actions.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I highly doubt he will be mislynched. He has already proved himself to be valuable to town. Even if he's savage, why would they bother lynching him? He can just absorb one of our night actions every night for the rest of the game until they find all the other scum and kill them.

We've already spent 3 nights blocking his feedback. Now you want to use 3 MORE night actions to supress him when we could just kill him and do other things. I doubt he'll be lynched, but even IF he is, was it worth it? 6 night actions just to kill one person? That's a full night's worth of stuff (1.2 nights now that Buch is dead) that we could've used on other people. It's so inefficient. I think it's a huge mistake.

What does killing him gain us? A drug dealer that can't send a drug because we are trying to hide him? If our night actions misleads the town and causes a mislynch then yes, it was definitely worth it. If he is mislynched, that gives us another night were we havent been targeted in the day. Meaning another kill without losing one of our people and 5 more actions instead of if we lose Dunn. If not we can kill him, I don't understand why you think he is valuable. He has revealed info on Phelps, who can't be confirmed as a Consort and guessed on Cohen for completely wrong reasons.

It's kind of late to just now think of new night actions. We have 15 minutes. I've been here for ~7 hours and barely anyone has discussed anything.

Since we are killing Hogeboom, what do you think on Dunn faking a blackmail where he claims it and says he will become a citizen?

[FM Artaxerxes]

You have 15 minutes.

Please post your finalized bolded red actions.

15 minutes - is the blackmail accepted?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Is the blackmail accepted?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Already said, claiming to have checked ballard + original role is 1 claim, adding anything about the last will is a second. Only way we will allow this is if the drug is a say this during day type.

[FM Spartacus]

Dude 2 minutes...

[FM Artaxerxes]

-Attila drugs Cafarelli with Feedback prevention
-Artaxerxes attacks Hogeboom
-Spartacus roleblocks Hogeboom
-Alphege = No action, claim roleblocked
-Leonardo blackmails Carruthers Reveal to the town that you checked FM Ballard and that last will said he was a Investigator and the rest of it was in a code that you wont post because it could help the Savages. Do not reveal any information that would counterclaim this. If you do not do this on the first night we will kill you at night.

LOOP HOLES EVERYWHERE. This is only considered one claim correct? Also will it be accepted?

Since we couldn't coordinate how to use Galloways Soma, we will save it.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Dude 2 minutes...

We made it bro

[FM Spartacus]

Not your fault Arta.

[Forum Mafia GM]

-Attila drugs Cafarelli with Feedback prevention
-Artaxerxes attacks Hogeboom
-Spartacus roleblocks Hogeboom
-Alphege = No action, claim roleblocked
-Leonardo blackmails Carruthers Reveal to the town that you checked FM Ballard and that last will said he was a Investigator and the rest of it was in a code that you wont post because it could help the Savages. Do not reveal any information that would counterclaim this. If you do not do this on the first night we will kill you at night.

BM accepted. Actions locked in.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Jesus I made a grammar mistake in the blackmail note. I hate you guys.

[FM Leonardo]

What does killing him gain us? A drug dealer that can't send a drug because we are trying to hide him? If our night actions misleads the town and causes a mislynch then yes, it was definitely worth it. If he is mislynched, that gives us another night were we havent been targeted in the day. Meaning another kill without losing one of our people and 5 more actions instead of if we lose Dunn. If not we can kill him, I don't understand why you think he is valuable. He has revealed info on Phelps, who can't be confirmed as a Consort and guessed on Cohen for completely wrong reasons.

It's kind of late to just now think of new night actions. We have 15 minutes. I've been here for ~7 hours and barely anyone has discussed anything.

Since we are killing Hogeboom, what do you think on Dunn faking a blackmail where he claims it and says he will become a citizen?

I was here four hours ago. I said to kill Cafarelli then. So don't act like I'm just bringing this up with 15 minutes left.

Killing Cafarelli gains us
immunity to detection (until another investigative role appears)
Our drug dealer's night actions in future nights (who, by the way, can send whatever the fuck he wants. They either won't know we have another DD and believe the feedback, or know we have a second DD and doubt all of their feedback. Both are good for us)

By the way, even IF Cafarelli is mislynched (and that's a big IF), it won't be tomorrow. Dunn will be tomorrow. So no, this will not buy Dunn any time. In fact, killing Hogeboom basically confirms Dunn is scum.

And sending an incredibly flawed blackmail as a replacement to another one... What a brilliant plan...

But whatever. As always, my ideas are dismissed.

Might as well just blackmail someone to reveal us all as mafia during the day. At worst, it will just put us out of our misery, at best maybe it will cause a reroll and I'll either get town, or a night chat with people that actually listen to me.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I was here four hours ago. I said to kill Cafarelli then. So don't act like I'm just bringing this up with 15 minutes left.

Killing Cafarelli gains us
immunity to detection (until another investigative role appears)
Our drug dealer's night actions in future nights (who, by the way, can send whatever the fuck he wants. They either won't know we have another DD and believe the feedback, or know we have a second DD and doubt all of their feedback. Both are good for us)

By the way, even IF Cafarelli is mislynched (and that's a big IF), it won't be tomorrow. Dunn will be tomorrow. So no, this will not buy Dunn any time. In fact, killing Hogeboom basically confirms Dunn is scum.

And sending an incredibly flawed blackmail as a replacement to another one... What a brilliant plan...

But whatever. As always, my ideas are dismissed.

Might as well just blackmail someone to reveal us all as mafia during the day. At worst, it will just put us out of our misery, at best maybe it will cause a reroll and I'll either get town, or a night chat with people that actually listen to me.

1. We already have immunity to detection from Cafarelli. We still have the soma which we can use to cause a double drug.

Town will see it in a few ways -
1. Dunn is kidnapper 100%
2. Possible two bus drivers. As you said, 2 dds, 2 escorts. Why would Mafia target a bus driver if it confirms the kidnapper? They will be confused, and possibly not vote him. We can also have him claim a fake blackmail. I would want him to be here for it, because he is notorious for not checking his night account before posting (interview).

3. Please let me know how it is flawed. I asked mutliple times for critique on it.

4. Not dismissed, we discussed it and you were not here. We had 3 people for killing hogeboom, including Dunn.

5. Lost 1 mafia. Game is nowhere near decided.

[Alphege]

I still support the kill of Hogeboom. Just clarifying now that it is locked in, and the blackmail through the Coroner helps peg Caf as a good lynch.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I still support the kill of Hogeboom. Just clarifying now that it is locked in, and the blackmail through the Coroner helps peg Caf as a good lynch.

Cool you are here. Do you think its a good idea for you to claim blackmailed to reveal a blackmail that would frame you? You can say you received it yesterday - we need a good convincing one if you are willing to do it.

[Alphege]

My life as a role blocked kidnapper is not worth anything. And in death I might be able to accuse someone somewhat scummy, like Donnoly, to buy him town points. As well as the sustaining of the Cafarelli lead and what we can do with that.

What shall I do with the blackmail? Specific ideas? (ideas more full than the earlier one lol)

[Alphege]

Cool you are here. Do you think its a good idea for you to claim blackmailed to reveal a blackmail that would frame you? You can say you received it yesterday - we need a good convincing one if you are willing to do it.

A good convincing one shouldn't come from my hands. Leonardo is the best one to write it, I believe.

I am pro-blackmail claim, possibly the one we originally sent Hogeboom? Acting it out is a death sentance, as I will look obvious scum, but claiming it would be a possibility.

[Alphege]

Actually, using the one we sent hogeboom is wrong. It fucks the Caf lynch

[Alphege]

Leonardo are you here?