Night 5

[FM Ferengi]

We're trying a new method of opening night chats. Let me know if this worked.

[FM Leonardo]

I think it did.

[FM Spartacus]

Rogan?

[FM Spartacus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdtZ-z9KzWw

How likely is it that FM [bleep] was checked by the savages N3 and they tried to recruit him N4 as a savage power role but got Morgan instead which neutralised a possible town power role which we could abuse in the near future to fake claim shit? Also was Alphege interviewed? Wtf why didn't he tell us?

[FM Spartacus]

Also Hugenoob didn't claim the block. What the hell does that mean?

[FM Leonardo]

So, thanks to day taking forever to end, I don't have much time to post.

Some things:

1. I was really roleblocked. I was hoping/thinking this would happen. This kind of clears me of suspicion and didn't even cost me a night action. yay

2. Ok, Cafarelli needs to be dealt with. He's a high priority target for being saved, so the best we can do is try to block his feedback, but even that might be fucked up by a bus driver.

3. In addition to 2- we need to kill the bus driver. And soon. Our kidnapper makes the doctor irrelevant. The bus driver, however, is a serious problem. He needs to go. Or be roleblocked.

4. Chapman claimed Ryan/Hopggod aren't cult (possible mason with them? Or really bad savage?)

5. Parker suggested masons might not have clubber (possible mason himself who knows this for sure?) That's a lot of possible masons...

[FM Leonardo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdtZ-z9KzWw

How likely is it that FM Motherfuckerman was checked by the savages N3 and they tried to recruit him N4 as a savage power role but got Morgan instead which neutralised a possible town power role which we could abuse in the near future to fake claim shit? Also was Alphege interviewed? Wtf why didn't he tell us?

Host didn't send him the feedback until day, apparently. So he probably didn't tell us because he didn't know.

This is pretty shitty, because it means he didn't get to consult with us while writing it, which is going to be huge, especially if this article is used by the journalist/others as evidence against him later on.

[FM Leonardo]

Anyway, we should probably come up with a plan for how phelps will defend himself from caf tomorrow. His only claim is escort unless he wants to say that caf is lying. But caf has the trust of town after lynching the arsonist, so that could be tricky...

[Alphege]

What is wrong with claiming Escort?

[Alphege]

-SWAP FM PARKER with FM KELSO

[FM Leonardo]

Also I couldn't help but notice that it wasn't until the middle of day that caf even mentioned his feedback (without revealing it) despite having posted a few times before that. He also waited until the last hours of day to reveal it fully. This too is strange and might be useful in phelps' defense.

[FM Leonardo]

What is wrong with claiming Escort?

It is tricky because if/when an escort inevitably dies, the other will likely CC Phelps and get him lynched.

[FM Leonardo]

-SWAP FM PARKER with FM KELSO

why...?

[FM Spartacus]

I think i am capable to claim a trustable escort claim. The targets i ve blocked so far were all scummy to an extend. The problem is the town is pretty braindead and they just keep on ignoring common sense and easy logic. It's really unpredictable what stupid bs they gonna throw at me just because they can't find a better target. I probably gonna try to cause a misslynch. I have to change my playstyle now since i am exposed. Ryan is an easy lynch target.

The duck possible mayor? Discuss! I really wonder who was interviewed tonight. my night chat account didn't receive an interview so far. Which is weird at best. My guess is the Journalist wasn't online at the time Cafarelli posted my pairing.

[FM Ferengi]

Host didn't send him the feedback until day, apparently. So he probably didn't tell us because he didn't know.

This is pretty shitty, because it means he didn't get to consult with us while writing it, which is going to be huge, especially if this article is used by the journalist/others as evidence against him later on.

FYI, FM Game Master sent the interview to his daychat account only. I like to send interviews to day chat, night chat, and COM accounts just for maximum coverage. Since I only realized that Dunn didn't even pick up his interview request PM until 15 minutes before day started, I just decided to announce it as a host PM error and give him 48 hours during day to submit an article. Seemed the best way to resolve the situation at the time without just making it extremely obvious that Dunn didn't check his daychat account because he was on his nightchat account. Even though you guys didn't get to coach him on his article, I think it's preferable that he had the opportunity to write one than to expose the fact that he has a night chat.

[FM Leonardo]

Also I just realized how bad that invest pairing is. Only the consort has room to hide in it. The closest I can get would be claiming escort and bming someone to claim rbed, but since they have 2 days to do it, they can easily ignore it and help lynch me the first day.

Plus I'm not immune to rb, and I've been roleblocked, so that claim is out for me anyway. So basically I need to not get checked or I'm fucked.

This is one of the main reasons I think investigator is a shit role... Sigh.

[FM Leonardo]

FYI, FM Game Master sent the interview to his daychat account only. I like to send interviews to day chat, night chat, and COM accounts just for maximum coverage. Since I only realized that Dunn didn't even pick up his interview request PM until 15 minutes before day started, I just decided to announce it as a host PM error and give him 48 hours during day to submit an article. Seemed the best way to resolve the situation at the time without just making it extremely obvious that Dunn didn't check his daychat account because he was on his nightchat account. Even though you guys didn't get to coach him on his article, I think it's preferable that he had the opportunity to write one than to expose the fact that he has a night chat.

Well yeah, it's preferable to that. But still not ideal.

[FM Leonardo]

Also I just realized how bad that invest pairing is. Only the consort has room to hide in it. The closest I can get would be claiming escort and bming someone to claim rbed, but since they have 2 days to do it, they can easily ignore it and help lynch me the first day.

Plus I'm not immune to rb, and I've been roleblocked, so that claim is out for me anyway. So basically I need to not get checked or I'm fucked.

This is one of the main reasons I think investigator is a shit role... Sigh.

Hmm... Rose, Cohen, Phelps... who was Caf's other target? I'm going to try to figure out where he's going tonight.

[FM Spartacus]

It's the pairing of doom! But rest assured the morons think i am the blackmailer with 0 reasoning behind it. I am gonna be the shield now.

FM Phelps didn't get interviewed.

[FM Spartacus]

Why are we in the Soma factory and don't get Soma?

[FM Leonardo]

Why are we in the Soma factory and don't get Soma?

I asked clem this same question at the beginning of the game. Apparently we make shitty soma.

[FM Leonardo]

I guess we are Jesse to the town's Walter.

[FM Spartacus]

Never saw the Movie sorry. I am a Barbarian. I prefer to split wood not reading silly books!

[FM Leonardo]

It's a Breaking Bad reference. Anyway, I have to go. Good night. Hopefully I'll be on again tomorrow around this time.

[FM Spartacus]

dito, gnite.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Why are we in the Soma factory and don't get Soma?

You can ask Galloway and Buchwalter to give you drugged soma... but it won't work as the pure stuff.

[FM Attila]

9. Witch manipulation
10. Escort / Consort blocks
11. Kidnapping
12. Bus Driving

If we bus cafa with someone else we can kill him easy because of this OoO. The only problem is the potential risk to Phelps if we do this tonight. Personally I feel like Cafa is gonna be checked Dunn or Bekoswky(Whatever his name is) due to their times posting and the general lack of subtance in content.

[FM Vespasian]

Dunn (Alphege) why did you just totally out your self as Kidnapper?
Saying that you have been bussing people the same day they died was a horrible idea, and we have even been drugging people with fake bussings just so you had a cover. I understand that you could not consult with us about it, and I guess it is all our faults for not making this clear.
This could go really bad fast, do not let this happen again anyway, everyone remember to check your day accounts.

Mendez (Artaxerxes) please confirm that you got the Soma I sent you.

We have to figure out what we do about Earle too as he did not do what I had written to him in the Soma note. This could mean he is Savage, and I will have to reveal that I sent him Soma. If we are lucky this could mean that we split the town's votes.

As for the Bus Driver, it has to be Hogeboom as he did not claim role-blocked.

On the bright side we have a Witch, as I see no reason a Delta would lie about being witched.

[FM Vespasian]

#
Player
Night 1
Night 2
Night 3
Night 4
Night 5
Night 6


1
FM Ackerman


bussed
BMed by #14
bussed by #15
attacked by #30




2
FM Ballard


druged (bussed) by #8





3
FM Becket


bussed by #15





4
FM Bekowsky

blocked






5
FM Biggs
witched
witched






6
FM Bishop
BMed by #14
attacked by #30






7
FM Black


blocked





8
FM Buchwalter

blocked
given soma





9
FM Cafarelli
druged (no feedback)

druged (no feedback) by #20





10
FM Carruthers








11
FM Chapman

blocked by #34






12
FM Cohen
posioned







13
FM Colmyer
blocked by #34
druged (BMed) by #20
bussed





14
FM Donnelly



blocked




15
FM Dunn

bussed by #15






16
FM Earle



druged (pass Soma) by #8




17
FM Fontaine








18
FM Gage
attacked by #30







19
FM Galletta
blocked

interviewed by #3





20
FM Galloway

bussed






21
FM Green








22
FM Hogeboom
bussed


blocked by #34




23
FM Hopgood
blocked







24
FM Kalou


bussed by #15
attacked by #30





25
FM Kelso
druged (no feedback)

blocked by #34





26
FM Leary








27
FM Lichtmann

bussed by #15






28
FM Mason
bussed by #15







29
FM McKelty
BS item







30
FM Mendez
bussed


given soma by #8




31
FM Monroe
bussed by #15
bussed

bussed




32
FM Morgan

BMed by #14
witched
bussed by #15




33
FM Parker








34
FM Phelps



blocked




35
FM Rose








36
FM Ryan



druged (bussed) by #20




These are all the actions we know took place.


Bolded actions = Public and was revealed during the day.
Italic actions = We know happened but was not revealed during the day.


Uncolored = Unsure and/or can not be verified.
Red = Mafia member or action.
Green = Town member or action.
White = Lie or impossible.

[FM Vespasian]

[QUOTE=FM Vespasian;324610]

5
FM Biggs
witched
witched







Forgot to color and [/B]] Biggs.

[FM Vespasian]

As I said above, Hogeboom is likely the Bus Driver. But killing him tonight would only give Phelps (Spartacus) an even worse defends.

It can be a plus for Phelps (Spartacus) to say that he knows who the Bus Driver is but will not reveal him.

Apart from this i am starting to agree with more and more that Cafarelli may not be an Inviestigator, but indeed some other Savage role. But sadly there is still a chance of him being an Inviestigator, this just seem way to convergent.
If Phelps (Spartacus) is clearly gonna be lynched with no hope of being redeemed, I highly suggest opening up this theory for the whole town. If we are to lose one of our brothers, we need to cause as much damage as we can on the way down.

We could take the chance and kill Cafarelli, but on the off chance that he is a real Inviestigator, we would only seal Phelps (Spartacus) fate even more. BUT! From a WIFOM point of view, killing Cafarelli now could make it look like the mafia is trying to frame Phelps (Spartacus).

Phelps (Spartacus) you need to start making a Last Will with detailed reasons for blocking who you did, rather or not we have you lie and say you blocked someone that you was really blocked by an Escort should be debated.

[FM Vespasian]

As for the Bus Driver, it has to be Hogeboom as he did not claim role-blocked.

Wait, looking at my notes Monroe claimed Bussed. That mean the Bus Driver can not be Hogeboom, unless Monroe lied.

[FM Vespasian]

#
Player
Night 1
Night 2
Night 3
Night 4
Night 5
Night 6


1
FM Ackerman



bussed
(redirected attacked)




2
FM Ballard


bussed
(redirected BMed)





3
FM Becket


bussed
attacked by redirect





4
FM Bekowsky

blocked






5
FM Biggs
witched
witched






6
FM Bishop

attacked






7
FM Black


blocked





8
FM Buchwalter

blocked
given Soma





9
FM Cafarelli
feedback prevention







10
FM Carruthers








11
FM Chapman

blocked






12
FM Cohen








13
FM Colmyer
blocked
BMed
bussed
BMed by redirect





14
FM Donnelly



blocked




15
FM Dunn

bussed






16
FM Earle



given Soma by #8




17
FM Fontaine








18
FM Gage
attacked







19
FM Galletta
blocked

interviewed by #3





20
FM Galloway

bussed






21
FM Green








22
FM Hogeboom
bussed


blocked




23
FM Hopgood
blocked







24
FM Kalou


bussed
(redirected attacked)





25
FM Kelso


blocked





26
FM Leary








27
FM Lichtmann

bussed






28
FM Mason
bussed







29
FM McKelty
BS item







30
FM Mendez
bussed







31
FM Monroe
bussed
bussed

bussed




32
FM Morgan

BMed
witched
bussed
attacked by redirect




33
FM Parker








34
FM Phelps



blocked




35
FM Rose








36
FM Ryan








These are all the actions I have notes about.


Uncolored = Actions claimed doing the day.
Green = My actions or actions that happened to me.
Yellow = Learned from interview, [D4 #560] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=324546&viewfull=1#post324546).


This list I plan on post on day 5, it will clearly state that the interviewed "Bus Driver" is a Kidnapper.

But it also reveal that there are way too many bussed claims, and that may sure that there is a Drug Dealer in game, and if Cafarelli reveal the feedback prevention on night 3, they will know there is indeed two Drug Dealers. But still Cafarelli seem to be totally unaware of the feedback prevention on night 3, which still lead me to believe that Cafarelli is not an Investigator.

[FM Vespasian]

You should be safe as long as the (Corrupt) Journalist does not reveal.

[FM Vespasian]

You should be safe as long as the (Corrupt) Journalist does not reveal.

Even better would be if someone has a good guess at who this (Corrupt) Journalist so we can silents them for good.

[FM Leonardo]

I just managed to get internet access. Not sure how long I'll have it, so I'll be quick. Killing the bus driver won't be traced to peeps. It's not like town knows how we decide who to kill. For all they know, our consigliere checked him.

[FM Vespasian]

Hmm... Rose, Cohen, Phelps... who was Caf's other target? I'm going to try to figure out where he's going tonight.

Cafarelli being Savage is still the only way i can see this making sense, maybe he was Investigator before being recruited, or he did check Cohen night 2.




Investigator theory
Savage theory
Savage Investigator theory


Night 1

checked FM Black
feedback prevented


recited
feedback prevented


recited as Savage Investigator
feedback prevented



Night 2

checked FM Rose



checked FM Cohen



Night 3

checked FM Cohen
feedback prevented


feedback prevented


checked unknown
feedback prevented



Night 4

checked FM Phelps



checked FM Phelps





The Investigator theory falls apart night 3 when he said he checked Cohen.
The Savage theory suggest that he is getting his information from another Savage member.
The Savage Investigator theory is far fetched as I still see no reason any investigative role would check Cohen while he was claimed posioned.


Come to think of it, you all remember the Interview from day 2? It is very very possible that that was the check on Phelps. Maybe Morgan was the interviewed Investigator and told Cafarelli and told who the check was for when he was recruited.

[FM Vespasian]

I just managed to get internet access. Not sure how long I'll have it, so I'll be quick. Killing the bus driver won't be traced to peeps. It's not like town knows how we decide who to kill. For all they know, our consigliere checked him.

Good point, but my reason for not killing him was if Phelps (Spartacus) has blocked him. But with Monroe's bussed claim, I guess we do not know who it is anyway.

[FM Leonardo]

Also, since kidnapper goes first in OoO, we should kill caf. Otherwise he's going to be a huge pain in the ass

[FM Vespasian]

Also, since kidnapper goes first in OoO, we should kill caf. Otherwise he's going to be a huge pain in the ass

I most say I agree, even more so if there is a chance that he will not flip Investigator. Not sure if Cafarelli being Savage would mean Phelps (Spartacus) was safe, but it would be a step in the right direction.

That Cafarelli's feedback prevention on night 3 is driving me nuts!!!! HOW!!!??!?

[FM Leonardo]

I most say I agree, even more so if there is a chance that he will not flip Investigator. Not sure if Cafarelli being Savage would mean Phelps (Spartacus) was safe, but it would be a step in the right direction.

That Cafarelli's feedback prevention on night 3 is driving me nuts!!!! HOW!!!??!?

The only way I can think of is via a code from a fellow savage. Or a really good read/guess.

[FM Vespasian]

The only way I can think of is via a code from a fellow savage. Or a really good read/guess.

So yes we are still going by that Cafarelli is not the real (Savage) Investigator, so killing him should be number one just to shut the Savage spokesman up.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Hey guys I wont be able to post much tonight. Incompetent bosses not scheduling people correctly so I'll be doing a double.

First off - I have no idea why Alphege/Dunn decided to claim bus driver. We already knew who the BD was so he has no problems cc-ing you. Also....

Everyone check your day accounts. Don't scumtell by forgetting to check it.
And I have received Soma last night.
Thanks Switzerland for covering our ass, you did not have to.

About Dunn's article....Are you serious? Why wouldn't you use some of the drugged busses that we sent out just for this situation. Everyone is going to know that you are a kidnapper since you managed to always bus whoever was killed. Grats. On a better note, your list of reads on people is good and didn't manage to buddy any of us too much.

We now have two of our players as big suspects, Dunn and Phelps. Our actions tonight will have to be stellar if we want to cause some kind of misinformation.

Our best bet at keeping Dunn alive is to kill or BM the journalist tonight. I will be looking through to try and find some reads on who it is. We got very lucky that that article was not posted at start of day, Journalist would have outed you so fast. Phelps will be safe for a bit because he was immune to the RB, so if we can we should try to get a blackmail going that outs Cafarelli as a savage.

@Buch, lets NOT reveal that we gave soma to Earle. I suspect he is a Witch. Which is why he didn't reveal the questions. He knows that it was likely a mafia ploy and is ignoring it. Also it will look scummy on you for thinking that Earle is a town.

[FM Artaxerxes]

These are the only possible suspects for Journalist.
1 FM Ackerman
2 FM Ballard
10 FM Carruthers
16 FM Earle - I think is the Witch
17 FM Fontaine
21 FM Green
24 FM Kalou
26 FM Leary
27 FM Lichtmann
28 FM Mason
31 FM Monroe - Doubtful that he is Journalist, but left on list because it is possible.
33 FM Parker
35 FM Rose
36 FM Ryan

[FM Artaxerxes]

We have two kills tonight.

My current biggest suspects for the Journalist is FM Ballard or FM Parker.
We could take the chance and attack Both of them tonight. I suspect Parker will have some protection on him though.

[FM Leonardo]

Hey guys I wont be able to post much tonight. Incompetent bosses not scheduling people correctly so I'll be doing a double.

First off - I have no idea why Alphege/Dunn decided to claim bus driver. We already knew who the BD was so he has no problems cc-ing you. Also....

Everyone check your day accounts. Don't scumtell by forgetting to check it.
And I have received Soma last night.
Thanks Switzerland for covering our ass, you did not have to.

About Dunn's article....Are you serious? Why wouldn't you use some of the drugged busses that we sent out just for this situation. Everyone is going to know that you are a kidnapper since you managed to always bus whoever was killed. Grats. On a better note, your list of reads on people is good and didn't manage to buddy any of us too much.

We now have two of our players as big suspects, Dunn and Phelps. Our actions tonight will have to be stellar if we want to cause some kind of misinformation.

Our best bet at keeping Dunn alive is to kill or BM the journalist tonight. I will be looking through to try and find some reads on who it is. We got very lucky that that article was not posted at start of day, Journalist would have outed you so fast. Phelps will be safe for a bit because he was immune to the RB, so if we can we should try to get a blackmail going that outs Cafarelli as a savage.

@Buch, lets NOT reveal that we gave soma to Earle. I suspect he is a Witch. Which is why he didn't reveal the questions. He knows that it was likely a mafia ploy and is ignoring it. Also it will look scummy on you for thinking that Earle is a town.

Well I think Hosts should always send feedback to all accounts to avoid this kind of thing.

Anyway, dunn should've used our drugged targets, but it's too late now. I think we should swap and kill caf. There's a chance that there were two corrupt journalists, in which case dunn is off the hook. If not, he'll have to reveal to get dunn and at least we'll trade him for a PR. Meanwhile caf can kee outing us if left alone.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Vespasian, I saw your witched code but didn't want to reveal it because people were on the bad logic that being witched = cult. So the fake Soma that you sent could be in anyones hands right now.

Leo, I can use soma to kill two people tonight. The soma was created night 2 so will it expire tonight or tomorrow?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I agree, if we reveal Caf as savage, then Phelps will be off the case. Also we can use a deathnote to let the town know that we prevented feedback on Caf the night he revealed Cohen?

[FM Vespasian]

Vespasian, I saw your witched code but didn't want to reveal it because people were on the bad logic that being witched = cult. So the fake Soma that you sent could be in anyones hands right now.

Leo, I can use soma to kill two people tonight. The soma was created night 2 so will it expire tonight or tomorrow?

I was not trying to signal anything, it was an error.

Besides i said:
In my second post I will leave a [/QUOTE] at the end of my post.

[FM Vespasian]

We have two kills tonight.

I would rather we save the Soma another night, even more so if i am not outing Earle.

I could send out another dosage of fake Soma tonight, maybe to Mason?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I was not trying to signal anything, it was an error.

Besides i said:
In my second post I will leave a at the end of my post.[/QUOTE]

Then I am glad I did not say anything. Out of these players, who do you think is most likely to be the Journalist?
1 FM Ackerman
2 FM Ballard
10 FM Carruthers
16 FM Earle - I think is the Witch
17 FM Fontaine
21 FM Green
24 FM Kalou
26 FM Leary
27 FM Lichtmann
28 FM Mason
31 FM Monroe - Doubtful that he is Journalist, but left on list because it is possible.
33 FM Parker
35 FM Rose
36 FM Ryan

[FM Artaxerxes]

-SWAP FM PARKER with FM KELSO
LVP, FM he is clearly not helping us and just locked his actions in. Can we override this action if he does not post/discuss these actions for the rest of the night chat?

[Forum Mafia GM]

LVP, FM he is clearly not helping us and just locked his actions in. Can we override this action if he does not post/discuss these actions for the rest of the night chat?


Public Service Announcement:

I had some questions about this, so I'm just going to state this clearly so there is no confusion. Mafia night actions should be submitted in bolded red text in this chat. Any mafia member may submit actions for others, and the most recently updated actions will be taken. However, if a mafia member submits an action for themselves in bolded red text in this chat, it will override what any other mafia member might have suggested/submitted for them.

Please post your night actions in this chat instead of PM'ing them to the hosts.

One hour before the end of night (when all night actions are due), one of the hosts will post a confirmation of the night actions that have been submitted for your ease of reference.

His action is locked in and only he can change it.

[FM Spartacus]

Guyz? Why do i have a night chat? I am a fucking Escrot? WHAT IS THIS?

[FM Spartacus]

Why do i always end up with bad Ruskys on my team?

[FM Spartacus]

Btw don't buddy with me. The last post 1- 2 posts of Galloway and Mendezz were so unneccesary. If you buddy with me again tomorrow i am gonna start bussing you to save your own sorry ass. Which will get me maybe lynched. Everyone is for himself at day and i don't need your help.

[FM Spartacus]

Why do i always end up with bad Ruskys on my team?

Oh wait nevermind the COM i have in my head is way smarter than this...

[FM Artaxerxes]

Btw don't buddy with me. The last post 1- 2 posts of Galloway and Mendezz were so unneccesary. If you buddy with me again tomorrow i am gonna start bussing you to save your own sorry ass. Which will get me maybe lynched. Everyone is for himself at day and i don't need your help.

I was one of the first to put suspicion on you. Cafarellis late claim seemed suspicious and most of town agreed with that. Implying bus driver didn't already lock his actions in.

I disagree. While we should not try to buddy we are not by ourselves we can plan out how we want our day to go. We do not need to do what Dunn did and needlessly reveal the role. Anyways, tomorrow do you plan on claiming your role? Dragging it out will be more suspicious imo

Also who you think is bad rusky?

[FM Spartacus]

I ll claim Escort of course and i will tell them my targets except hugenoob since he didn't claim. I am an Escort now. Brainwashed. I will claim n1, n2 not n3 since the guy didn't claim which is not a scum tell, n4 depends on who i am gonna block. I need a target which is high likely a tpr but acting scummy so i can justify my decision at day with ease. Someone like Mason or Bekowsky. People who don't contribute much.

bad rusky drives the pedovan.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Yeah dont reveal hugeboner. That would be scummy as fuck. He is the BD. I need chu to help me find the Journalist though. I got it narrowed down to 12-14 people and if we kill him Dunn wont be instalynched tomorrow.

[FM Spartacus]

He can't be bd if Marilyn speaked the truth. he claimed swapped and we didn't drug him.

[FM Spartacus]

Yeah dont reveal hugeboner. That would be scummy as fuck. He is the BD. I need chu to help me find the Journalist though. I got it narrowed down to 12-14 people and if we kill him Dunn wont be instalynched tomorrow.

Sry brah, i can only find scum. LOL

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think its likely the journalist is someone who is suspicious of Dunn yesterday. Even with the Host claiming it was an error, I would still be suspicious as fuck as a journalist.

Good point about Monroe, but do you think he is telling the truth? If so it's likely bus self swapped.

[FM Spartacus]

Why make bd swaps up? Only works if you know for a fact that the real bd was blocked to back him up. Which is doubtful without an Architect or a smart detective lookout. What if the second neutral is an amnesiac who become the new Architect? What are the odds? I meanwhat are the odds? ODDS? MEEEEEEEEEEEETH

[FM Artaxerxes]

Why make bd swaps up? Only works if you know for a fact that the real bd was blocked to back him up. Which is doubtful without an Architect or a smart detective lookout. What if the second neutral is an amnesiac who become the new Architect? What are the odds? I meanwhat are the odds? ODDS? MEEEEEEEEEEEETH

The only reason I can think is to confuse investigative roles if they targeted you. Since he knows there are two bussers he can do it safely since neither one is going to reveal just to see if the other one bussed him. Dunns article actually helps us here, since the bus driver would know if he lied or not.

What if the other Epsilon was a student and picked Dunn as menterd and Dunn knows this and is trying to force the BD to CC him and then we kill BD and lynch Dunn. WOW DUNN MVP STRAT. And then we get a new Kidnap bro to replace him
I DO COCAINE

[FM Spartacus]

Theory time: Cafarelli the student of an investigator?

N1 picked the real invest as mentor- feedback blocked.
N2 sees the chat got the invest pairing from the real invest n1.
n3 got the pairing of the Arso - lynchtrained - feedback blocked doesn't affect his night chat ability.
N4 got my pairing thorugh night chat.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Theory time: Cafarelli the student of an investigator?

N1 picked the real invest as mentor- feedback blocked.
N2 sees the chat got the invest pairing from the real invest n1.
n3 got the pairing of the Arso - lynchtrained - feedback blocked doesn't affect his night chat ability.
N4 got my pairing thorugh night chat.

so deep.

Anyways lets focus on our night actions first, and then we can theory it up.

I think Parker or Ballard are the journalist. Specifically Parker. I think we should blackmail him to some other obscure play like cleansed. That would prevent him from revealing on Dunn. We could also send a fake blackmail to someone else. Since Dunn already locked in Kelso and Parker, we should send the blackmail to Kelso, ofc.

Pros - protects Dunn possibly and silences a town leader
Cons - Makes people confirm Parker as not Mafia

Roleblock - I WANT TO FIND A ESCURT. Lets try Mason. Only problem, is if we kill an escort, you will look more like scum. But if Escort finds me and Dunn dies, we are going to have to use one of our DD's to do the kills.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Also, I think its safe to say McKelty was trolling about the BS items. We should keep it in towns thoughts though.

[FM Spartacus]

I am pretty sure there is a smith. Otherwise the Kidnapper would be unstoppable for killing people. Well yeah 2 escorts. They are pretty dangerous for all of us. Basicly i am the only one who can kill without fearing them. I believe in vests.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I am pretty sure there is a smith. Otherwise the Kidnapper would be unstoppable for killing people. Well yeah 2 escorts. They are pretty dangerous for all of us. Basicly i am the only one who can kill without fearing them. I believe in vests.

with the low kpn we have I wouldn't be surprised to not have one. Also one of use would have received a vest/gun by now. It only makes sense.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Can the Mafia attempt to kill a fellow Mafia?

DUNN WHY DID YOU ASK THIS, EVER

[FM Spartacus]

The KPN was alright. The Arso had just other plans.... Don't forget the Blackmailer can kill. He already did. The Savages change from recruiting to killing soon. The KPN is alright at least on paper. Why would Mckeilty make the blacksmith item up? Why owuld anyone of us have recieved an item? No one of us is really pro town. No one of us started a lynchtrain against scum. Lynching scum is the biggest town tell you can do. Or why do you think the investigator checked me? Because i wasn't voting the Arsonist.

Parker wont have an easy time tomorrow for fueling a fail lynch on a delta. I knew why i wasn't adding my vote on him just to produce a fake town tell. This will probably save my ass tomorrow. I will be back later with some more thoughts about our situation and possible night targets.


@Artaxerxes: He asked that so we could attack him while he swaps himself with our kill target. Just kills him when he gets blocked. All of a sudden his shitty softclaim Day 4 makes sense. Cuz of his shitty interview. Lulz. the line between MVP and LVP is small.

[FM Artaxerxes]

The KPN was alright. The Arso had just other plans.... Don't forget the Blackmailer can kill. He already did. The Savages change from recruiting to killing soon. The KPN is alright at least on paper. Why would Mckeilty make the blacksmith item up? Why owuld anyone of us have recieved an item? No one of us is really pro town. No one of us started a lynchtrain against scum. Lynching scum is the biggest town tell you can do. Or why do you think the investigator checked me? Because i wasn't voting the Arsonist.

Parker wont have an easy time tomorrow for fueling a fail lynch on a delta. I knew why i wasn't adding my vote on him just to produce a fake town tell. This will probably save my ass tomorrow. I will be back later with some more thoughts about our situation and possible night targets.


@Artaxerxes: He asked that so we could attack him while he swaps himself with our kill target. Just kills him when he gets blocked. All of a sudden his shitty softclaim Day 4 makes sense. Cuz of his shitty interview. Lulz. the line between MVP and LVP is small.
OK LEL
-USE SOMA
-ATTACK FM DUNN
-ATTACK FM MENDEZ

[FM Spartacus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0yigVFFwqM

[FM Artaxerxes]

OK LEL
-USE SOMA
-ATTACK FM DUNN
-ATTACK FM MENDEZ

About the Delta. It's good that you didn't join the train. It may make the invest target me since I called you out on it, which I'm not worried about.

The blacksmith has no clue who is protown or not. He can only guess and hope for the best. Cafarelli said he was going to use armor, which could explain that there is a blacksmith or could be a ez defense for if we attacked him.

While Cafarelli could be the Savage spokesperson, what about thoughts on him actually being savage godfather? It would explain how he knew there was a lack of feedback on him. i.e. tried to recruit and got no message back. If we attack him and he has armor, I'd say its 100% likely.

[FM Spartacus]

i think he is a student of an investigator. I see no evidence of any other type of beign neutral. This is easier to believe than the savage theory which has too many factors to work.

[FM Artaxerxes]

i think he is a student of an investigator. I see no evidence of any other type of beign neutral. This is easier to believe than the savage theory which has too many factors to work.

The only way this would be possible is if he tried to claim a mentor n1. Thats the only way he would know he was feedback blocked. In all my time, I've never seen a student claim a n1 mentor. Imagine getting stuck with Earle....

[FM Vespasian]

About the Delta. It's good that you didn't join the train. It may make the invest target me since I called you out on it, which I'm not worried about.

The blacksmith has no clue who is protown or not. He can only guess and hope for the best. Cafarelli said he was going to use armor, which could explain that there is a blacksmith or could be a ez defense for if we attacked him.

While Cafarelli could be the Savage spokesperson, what about thoughts on him actually being savage godfather? It would explain how he knew there was a lack of feedback on him. i.e. tried to recruit and got no message back. If we attack him and he has armor, I'd say its 100% likely.

Cafarelli being SGF does not really make sense, he would have known about the feedback prevention night 3 then. That is why this is killing me, I can not figure out how Cafarelli can be Investigator, but if he is not that then what is he?

[FM Vespasian]

i think he is a student of an investigator. I see no evidence of any other type of beign neutral. This is easier to believe than the savage theory which has too many factors to work.

It would make sense yeah. That way it really was not Cafarelli that gave that interview night 2.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Cafarelli being SGF does not really make sense, he would have known about the feedback prevention night 3 then. That is why this is killing me, I can not figure out how Cafarelli can be Investigator, but if he is not that then what is he?

Why would he reveal he was feedback prevented when he was fosing Cohen? Obviously he has converted a Savage investigator and is receiving codes from it. The code is obvious from how long it took for him to post his "interesting information" yesterday. I'm thinking one of the lurkers must be the savage investigator because he must have posted later forcing Cafarelli to reveal the information later.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Also, we know that there is at least one mason and a Mayor. There is nothing stopping the masons from having only an Enforcer.

[FM Spartacus]

The only way this would be possible is if he tried to claim a mentor n1. Thats the only way he would know he was feedback blocked. In all my time, I've never seen a student claim a n1 mentor. Imagine getting stuck with Earle....

Earle is a good choice for a mentor. If he is who i think he is. The reserve list isn't that long so it's easy to tell who he is.

[FM Spartacus]

It would make sense yeah. That way it really was not Cafarelli that gave that interview night 2.

You mean the "consigliere" Interview? Lol i am pretty sure that was somebody who was setting a gambit up. Probably Cohen.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Earle is a good choice for a mentor. If he is who i think he is. The reserve list isn't that long so it's easy to tell who he is.

Earle was never replaced though? As far as I can tell

[FM Spartacus]

Mod abuse?

[FM Artaxerxes]

So since our kidnap is already set to swap Parker and Kelso how about these actions.

Blackmail Kelso "only say lines from some shit play" *Ill let Leo find the play, so we can keep the thought process of it being English? keeps suspicion on galletta
Roleblock Lichtmann
Drug blackmail to hogiebum
Drug ~ unsure atm
Kill Cafarelli

[FM Spartacus]

why Lichtmann? Do you know his COM? I bet my ass on it that he is a delta.

[FM Vespasian]

So since our kidnap is already set to swap Parker and Kelso how about these actions.

Blackmail Kelso "only say lines from some shit play" *Ill let Leo find the play, so we can keep the thought process of it being English? keeps suspicion on galletta
Roleblock Lichtmann
Drug blackmail to hogiebum
Drug ~ unsure atm
Kill Cafarelli

If we think Cafarelli is not the one doing the investigating, then what about we just fake block him? If he wanna keep up the ruse about being an Investigator and at the fear of an Escort calling him out. It may work better then feedback prevention.

[FM Artaxerxes]

No i've only guessed a few Coms. I just think we need to target THESE players. I want to silence the Journalist.
FM Ackerman
FM Ballard
FM Carruthers
FM Earle - I think is the Witch
FM Green
FM Kalou
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM Monroe -
FM Parker


Anyone you think would be a better target? I don't think Ryan is a good choice, same with Fontaine, Leary and Rose since they will likely be replaced.

How about roleblocking Ballard? He is on the list and seems like he could be a PR.

[FM Spartacus]

Can't we just kill Ballard with a double kill? You soon gonna get roleblocked Mendezz. It's just a matter of time. They systematicly keep blocking until kills stop. I don't know we still have plenty of time and i have to backtrack Day 4 and 3 first until i can provide anything of value.

[FM Artaxerxes]

If I use the Soma today it will make Buch look scummy. I'd prefer not to. I do think he is a good kill choice.

[FM Vespasian]

Any hit of Soma expires on the 4th day after it has come into play.


Night 2 Soma appear
Day 2 TTL 3
Night 3 I'm given Soma
Day 3 TTL 2
Night 4 I pass Soma
Day 4 TTL 1
Night 5 Right now
Day 5 TTL 0


Soma that came into the game on night 2, would expire when? Start of day 5?

This is the last chance we have to use Soma it seem, guess I did not do the math on that. Mayor is so gonna kill me if we make two kills, so here is to hoping that Cafarelli has a vest!

[FM Ferengi]

Soma that came into the game on night 2, would expire when? Start of day 5?

That is correct. Soma that came into the game on N2 would expire on Day 5.

[FM Spartacus]

the GM wont answer that. The 4th day after the night it came into play means. N2, Day2(1) N3, Day3(2), N4, Day4(3), N5, Day5(4). It expires tomorrow. We have to use it tonight anyway.

[FM Spartacus]

I hate Switzerland... I hate that country so much!

[FM Artaxerxes]

Hm. Well I would prefer some kind of safety so that I don't get roleblocked while using Soma. Swapping myself with Phelps would be the perfect way, but alas.

Are we going to risk revealing the possibility of Buch being scum/delta? I'm suspecting it will force the Mayor to reveal. Then Buch will have to say he gave it to Earle and be considered a delta. Except when he gets checked by an invest they will confirm he is lying. Are we willing to put a third player as a scumspect so soon?

2 Kpn is huge though. I need some clarification before continuing this line of thought
Does the godfathers automatic vest give night immunity or prevent one attack?
If a player using a manual/auto vest is attacked twice, will they survive both attacks?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I hate Switzerland... I hate that country so much!

Switzerland protects Nazis. 'nuff said.

[FM Spartacus]

out of the fag faq:
67. Blacksmith: Does a vest provide (+1) or does it grant night kill immunity?
A vest provides (+1) protection. It does not grant night kill immunity.

[FM Artaxerxes]

out of the fag faq:
67. Blacksmith: Does a vest provide (+1) or does it grant night kill immunity?
A vest provides (+1) protection. It does not grant night kill immunity.
THX. So I could double attack Cafarelli and lolol

[FM Vespasian]

out of the fag faq:
67. Blacksmith: Does a vest provide (+1) or does it grant night kill immunity?
A vest provides (+1) protection. It does not grant night kill immunity.

Then i guess we just double attack Cafarelli, Only way he can survivor that is if he is bussed or healed and vested.

[FM Vespasian]

THX. So I could double attack Cafarelli and lolol

I support this action!

[FM Artaxerxes]

If i get roleblocked while soma-ing. I might cry and -suicide. Also does no one think that if we kill Cafarelli it is basically saying "THIS GUY WAS RIGHT, GO LYNCH PHELPU"

[FM Spartacus]

I rather use the soma to shoot 2 possible town pr's down over 1 shitty student/savage/invest guy who will have a doc on his face anyway. Doc vest double kill wasted. silly

[FM Artaxerxes]

I rather use the soma to shoot 2 possible town pr's down over 1 shitty student/savage/invest guy who will have a doc on his face anyway. Doc vest double kill wasted. silly

indeed silly. Or bussed to cause derp double kill on some asspie townie.

How about -

Attack FM Ballard
Attack FM Hopgood

[FM Artaxerxes]

On second thought. Why not FM Ackerman? He has given me a town Pr vibe recently. Hopgood is only an option for com reasons.

[FM Spartacus]

We could all just go group suicide. This would be really funny!

[FM Artaxerxes]

ok me and u suicide. and i soma kill dunn and donnelly with deathnotes that galloway is scum. game ruined in 1 night :D

[FM Spartacus]

This would be so awesome! :D

[FM Spartacus]

-FM Spartacus has paused the game.-

[FM Spartacus]

-FM Spartacus has unpaused the game.-

[Forum Mafia GM]

FM Game Master has warned FM Spartacus.

Please don't pause game.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Fm Artaxerxes goes soma-saiyan
Fm Artaxerxes attacks Ballard
Fm Artaxerxes attacks Ackerman
Fm Spartacus roleblocks Fm Mason
FM Alphege swaps FM Kelso and FM Parker
Fm Leonardo blackmail FM Kelso "Copy of that one blackmail we used on colmyer and morgan"
Fm Attila drug fake blackmail on FM Cafarelli
FM Vespasian drugs idk yet

[FM Spartacus]

I hope Alphege comes back and does something else with his night action...

[FM Artaxerxes]

I wish it wasn't just me and you talking to eachother. Not that I dislike your company.

[FM Spartacus]

Wait. Who are you? I am not alone in here? Where am i? What is this?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Wait. Who are you? I am not alone in here? Where am i? What is this?

Im the mafia architect. U have been abducted.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Well its about time I get invited to the mafias cafe.
How do you do?

[FM Spartacus]

Not so well. People are just not serious in here.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Not so well. People are just not serious in here.

Agreed in all seriousness. What about these night actions? I think its the best we can do with the Alphege trolling us.

Fm Artaxerxes goes soma-saiyan
Fm Artaxerxes attacks Ballard
Fm Artaxerxes attacks Ackerman
Fm Spartacus roleblocks Fm Mason
FM Alphege swaps FM Kelso and FM Parker
Fm Leonardo blackmail FM Kelso "Copy of that one blackmail we used on colmyer and morgan"
Fm Attila drug fake blackmail on FM Cafarelli
FM Vespasian drugs idk yet

[FM Spartacus]

too early to decide about that.

[FM Artaxerxes]

too early to decide about that.
not too early to discuss it though m8.

[FM Spartacus]

i have to check day 4 for possible codes first. Especially green ...

[FM Leonardo]

Hey guys. I resent the comment that I am not serious. I am very serious. My mom planned this vacation long before the game started. And I was hoping to be town so that this would not be that much of an issue *glares at clementine*.

Anyway, I have a better idea regarding Cafarelli. We have a consort... Let's roleblock him. I'm pretty sure that prevents item usage. Right? Assuming I'm right, all we need to do is get Alphege to change his night action to something involving bussing Cafarelli.

[FM Leonardo]

Also, why blackmail Kelso? I think I should blackmail someone more important. Maybe Monroe, because then it might make him seem more suspicious to town. They might think he's faking it to avoid suspicion or something.

[FM Spartacus]

FM Green:
easily readable as scum. 5 Whooping posts with no worth. Just votes FM Biggs because he looks scummy to him he never explained why. Might be witch / savage /delta

- NEXT -

FM Suckovsky
Another 5 post wonder. Nothing much of value. Ballard calls him scummy because of inactivity while he replies its the quality of posts which count not the quantity. Well Mr Bekowsky you fail at both fronts. Asks donelly explicitely why he just claimed no feedback on N2. He might be the Escort who blocked him N4. For somebody who is semi afk the whole game. Why would you explicitely call out somebody who posted at the start of the at the middle? - Escort who blocked Donelly?

- NEXT -

FM Luckerman
Wooping 19 posts on Day 4 which counts as active in my book. Starts the lynchtrain on Biggs. Weird English he is probably [redacted]. Anti Cafarelli. Could be the missing benign neutral. He tells the Mayor to reveal needlessly, has shady logic, lynch happy. We shouldn't kill him he will get himself lynched sooner or later. Possible roles? - open -

- NEXT -

FM Porky
over 60 posts very active, very town. Many holes in his logic and he doesn't think anyone of us is mafa. Wants to lynch Monroe over Biggs but went with the flow. He asks questions, he asks Dunn why he was so inactive. Tries to use the day chat as effectively as he can because he is clearly a delta. He counts posts of people.

[FM Spartacus]

Hey guys. I resent the comment that I am not serious. I am very serious. My mom planned this vacation long before the game started. And I was hoping to be town so that this would not be that much of an issue *glares at clementine*.

Anyway, I have a better idea regarding Cafarelli. We have a consort... Let's roleblock him. I'm pretty sure that prevents item usage. Right? Assuming I'm right, all we need to do is get Alphege to change his night action to something involving bussing Cafarelli.

You can't rb vests sry bro.

[FM Spartacus]

Also, why blackmail Kelso? I think I should blackmail someone more important. Maybe Monroe, because then it might make him seem more suspicious to town. They might think he's faking it to avoid suspicion or something.

Any good ideas for an efficient blackmail? First off we should think about what do we want to achieve at day. We want a misslynch of a townie right? How could a blackmail help us doing so and on whom? Doing the same BM from N2 is a bit inefficient because town is already aquainted to it. The WTF moment is gone. We should do something new. Ideas?

[FM Leonardo]

You can't rb vests sry bro.

I disagree. You can block soma. I believe guns can also be blocked. So I see no reason for vests to not be included in that. I'll wait for the hosts' official answer. Just to be sure my question is interpreted properly: Does roleblocking prevent a player from using a manual vest?

[FM Spartacus]

Gooby please....

0. Soma is used
1. Devourer jails
2. Jailor jails
3. Journalist / corrupt journalist approaches target for an interview
4. Night groups get together to talk (including architect and mafia architect)
5. People put on vests
6. Veteran goes on alert
7. Spree Killer traps target
8. Interceptor traps target
9. Witch manipulation
10. Escort / Consort blocks


Why can you guys not check the fucking setup ooo tab before asking silly questions you could easily answer yourself before you start wasting the time of the hosts? So damn god annoying. There is a reason they take so much time to do those FaQ threads!

Also i probably KNOW what my role can do and what not....

[FM Ferengi]

I would just like to remind you guys to submit potential blackmail notes well in advance of the deadline so as to avoid what happened last time. If the last submitted action is a blackmail that is not approved, the action will be considered invalid and skipped. Hosts will be more likely to approve blackmails if you submit them earlier since I may not be around near the end of night and I anticipate FMGM will be a lot more strict than I am on approving them. This is just a friendly reminder.

[FM Leonardo]

Any good ideas for an efficient blackmail? First off we should think about what do we want to achieve at day. We want a misslynch of a townie right? How could a blackmail help us doing so and on whom? Doing the same BM from N2 is a bit inefficient because town is already aquainted to it. The WTF moment is gone. We should do something new. Ideas?

I agree with this.

I'm thinking of blackmialing either Monroe or Galleta because they're both already suspicious. One thing I thought of before is to make them seem British somehow, since everyone thinks the blackmailer is British.

[FM Leonardo]

Gooby please....

0. Soma is used
1. Devourer jails
2. Jailor jails
3. Journalist / corrupt journalist approaches target for an interview
4. Night groups get together to talk (including architect and mafia architect)
5. People put on vests
6. Veteran goes on alert
7. Spree Killer traps target
8. Interceptor traps target
9. Witch manipulation
10. Escort / Consort blocks


Why can you guys not check the fucking setup ooo tab before asking silly questions you could easily answer yourself before you start wasting the time of the hosts? So damn god annoying. There is a reason they take so much time to do those FaQ threads!

Also i probably KNOW what my role can do and what not....

She said it can block soma, which happens first in the OoO. I think you're wrong.

[FM Ferengi]

Does roleblocking prevent a player from using a manual vest?

Any action occurring before roleblocks cannot be role blocked. Therefore Phelps is correct: vests cannot be role blocked.

[FM Leonardo]

Any action occurring before roleblocks cannot be role blocked. Therefore Phelps is correct: vests cannot be role blocked.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20178-Night-4?p=322866#post322866

"A player cannot use soma if they are roleblocked. They cannot use any actions the night they are roleblocked."

Soma goes before roleblocking. Contradiction. Please solve.

[FM Leonardo]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20178-Night-4?p=322866#post322866

"A player cannot use soma if they are roleblocked. They cannot use any actions the night they are roleblocked."

Soma goes before roleblocking. Contradiction. Please solve.

Fixed.

[FM Spartacus]

Ta Dah!

http://i.imgur.com/PCOP5Dj.jpg



He is right though Soma should be wasted if you are roleblocked and not able to do your action. Because it was used.

[FM Ferengi]

Fixed.

Thank you for pointing out this error. I will double check the FAQ when I get onto a desktop computer to make sure everything is consistent with what the rules/setup indicates.

Soma usage cannot be role blocked but usage of night actions can, pending their position in the order of operations.

[Alphege]

Do not act on the people I swap. We can discuss ways to use it best, but for my Bussing claim we need to not include it in any other night actions.

My defense for claiming the feedback is simple- why the fuck would I do that if I was Mafia? I would claim Delta or fake targets. Too good to be true hiding in plain sight.

[FM Spartacus]

ROUND 2

FIGHT!

FM Black:
13 posts semi active. Claimed Day 3 to be a power role who gets no feedback aka Doc/Smith/Bodyguard/Mason enforcer/Escort. Didn't know that neutral evils can win with scum. He doesn't like Hopgood. Claims to have minions. Reads as reserved town. He might be the second Escort who tried to block Becket the night he died and got roleblocked himself from the other Escort. Smith/Doc/Bg is a possibility as well because Becket was kinda pro town the day before he died. Or the Delta who tries to catch a bullet. But for someone who has only a vote he don't really use it a lot...


- NEXT -

FM Ballard:
13 posts Day 3, 23 posts Day 4. Activity is a town tell for him. Buchwalter, and Galloway are Town for him. (Mayor?)Thinks Parker is scum. Defends Monroe. Looks Delta'ish with a boner for Parker.
I further went over the posts of Day 3 from him as well. Looks like more like a tpr there. 90 % town A good kill target to frame Parker.

- NEXT -

FM Rose:
13 posts Day 4. Illogical b-line vote on Biggs. Very hypocritic. He thinks Lichtmann is a delta because he was just trolling. He doesn't expect him to be blackmailed or anything. But FM Biggs trolled as well but less. Smells like a Savage or Delta or a TPR hiding. If Cafarelli is a student its high likely that Rose is his mentor because he outed him as citizen pairing. Or he might be the Savage gf. He knows how the Ooo works, fake blackmail works... This guy definetly spends time at this game but he doesn't really try to lead town. He looks more capable doing so than the guys who do it right now. = Savage or town invest with student Cafarelli


- LAST FOR TODAY -

FM Mason:
Trolls through the whole game and nobody takes notice of his non contributing play style. It's like he is invisible. He doesn't post much and every post is just some sort of joke. I suspect that he is some sort of PR or he tries to get himself recruited as a Delta. The COM behind Mason trolls every game. Alignment - open -

[FM Spartacus]

Do not act on the people I swap. We can discuss ways to use it best, but for my Bussing claim we need to not include it in any other night actions.

My defense for claiming the feedback is simple- why the fuck would I do that if I was Mafia? I would claim Delta or fake targets. Too good to be true hiding in plain sight.

We explicitely went to fake swapps so you could hide behind it. But apparently you ignore the whole game and think you know exactly what is best. As usual you are incapable of teamplay like always. Your drive is stupid. You made yourself to the nigger of town with your interview. Good job!

[FM Spartacus]

I love it when our own team members play against us. Awesome sauce!

[FM Leonardo]

Forgot to mention this, but- I highly doubt Caf is a student. Clem hates students and amnesiacs because they are "swingy". ie. they can drastically change the outcome of a game depending on which side they choose to align themselves with. Even though clem also enjoys putting roles in her games that subvert her "host meta" I think her hate for these roles is greater than her desire to remain unpredictable. I mantain that Cafarelli is a savage and is communicating with a fellow savage at day.

My suggested actions for tonight:
Godfather- use soma
Attack #1- Whoever we swap with Cafarelli (We need to take a risk. Caf needs to die. We could roleblock him, but that doesn't seem to work)
Attack #2- Parker

Blackmailer- Blackmail Monroe (something that, when he does it, will make him look suspicious. I need suggestions on this. If I don't get something better, I will use the same blackmail I used on Colmyer, but with a different play/book/song. Perhaps something American. I'm hoping if they find out, they will think I am a brit trying to throw them off.

consort- Block Mason (Some people said he seems like a PR.)

DD #1- fake bus someone. (Monroe? Might make him seem suspicious)

DD #2- Block feedback on Earle (Could be a PR. I don't think he's scum)

Kidnapper- Bus someone and Cafarelli. Maybe Chapman. idk

Thoughts?

[FM Spartacus]

Why Parker again? Why do you want to get ridd of deltas all the time?

[FM Spartacus]

Forgot to mention this, but- I highly doubt Caf is a student. Clem hates students and amnesiacs because they are "swingy". ie. they can drastically change the outcome of a game depending on which side they choose to align themselves with. Even though clem also enjoys putting roles in her games that subvert her "host meta" I think her hate for these roles is greater than her desire to remain unpredictable. I mantain that Cafarelli is a savage and is communicating with a fellow savage at day.

My suggested actions for tonight:
Godfather- use soma
Attack #1- Whoever we swap with Cafarelli (We need to take a risk. Caf needs to die. We could roleblock him, but that doesn't seem to work)
Attack #2- Parker

Blackmailer- Blackmail Monroe (something that, when he does it, will make him look suspicious. I need suggestions on this. If I don't get something better, I will use the same blackmail I used on Colmyer, but with a different play/book/song. Perhaps something American. I'm hoping if they find out, they will think I am a brit trying to throw them off.

consort- Block Mason (Some people said he seems like a PR.)

DD #1- fake bus someone. (Monroe? Might make him seem suspicious)

DD #2- Block feedback on Earle (Could be a PR. I don't think he's scum)

Kidnapper- Bus someone and Cafarelli. Maybe Chapman. idk

Thoughts?

Also Clementine wasn't the only one working at the setup. Trying to meta hosts like that is not a good idea.

[FM Leonardo]

Also Clementine wasn't the only one working at the setup. Trying to meta hosts like that is not a good idea.

Uhh... Let's just say she probably was able to convince Rocshi not to put those roles in the game.

Look, I'm not totally convinced Parker is doctor either, but that's what Dunn seems to think, and Parker does contribute a fair amount so even if he's wrong it isn't a bad kill. I'll go ahead and remind you that all of MY kill choices so far have been PRs. YOU suggested we kill the corrupt journalist. So even if you doubt me, you must at least admit that your reads are not always correct.

[FM Leonardo]

Let's also not forget that there may not even be a doctor in game. Consig is a role that is in 99.9% of games and we don't have one. Doctor could be the same.

[FM Spartacus]

Colmyr was a delta you wanted to kill him instead of Becket. Our actions led to Colmyr's suicide. We got 2 kills out of it. Absolutely worth it. I read all of the posts in here very closely and try to analyse the events at day unlike most of the team.
Do you even read? Dunn wants that we don't kill his swap target. Why don't you read the things your team mates suggest?

The Corrupt Journalist shouldn't have contributed the way he did. He was Power as expected and no one has 100% reads thats just impossible because everyone thinks different and reacts differently in situations. Of course i admit it that my reads are not 100% lol. Why do you even want that? Do you think your reads are always right or something? If you do you are a bit out of place.

May i remind you that your first blackmail was really really bad? Remember me guiding you to FM 10 to do some homework about your role? Guess who didn't listen because Ego as big as Mount Everrest...

[Alphege]

We explicitely went to fake swapps so you could hide behind it. But apparently you ignore the whole game and think you know exactly what is best. As usual you are incapable of teamplay like always. Your drive is stupid. You made yourself to the nigger of town with your interview. Good job!

Pretty sure I asked for it to avoid the situation of role blocks, not particularly for claiming.

[Alphege]

Parker is a Doctor. Fact. Leonardo if he is then I get the points for the PR hit since I called it like day 1.

[Alphege]

I also like Spartacus' idea of a hit on Ballard. He is one of the more actives, and his anger at Parker could work in our advantage tomorrow.

[Alphege]

Wait, why are we using a double kill? That pegs buchwalter so easy. What is his defense?

[FM Leonardo]

Colmyr was a delta you wanted to kill him instead of Becket. Our actions led to Colmyr's suicide. We got 2 kills out of it. Absolutely worth it. I read all of the posts in here very closely and try to analyse the events at day unlike most of the team.
Do you even read? Dunn wants that we don't kill his swap target. Why don't you read the things your team mates suggest?

The Corrupt Journalist shouldn't have contributed the way he did. He was Power as expected and no one has 100% reads thats just impossible because everyone thinks different and reacts differently in situations. Of course i admit it that my reads are not 100% lol. Why do you even want that? Do you think your reads are always right or something? If you do you are a bit out of place.

May i remind you that your first blackmail was really really bad? Remember me guiding you to FM 10 to do some homework about your role? Guess who didn't listen because Ego as big as Mount Everrest...

I read everything you guys suggest. What Dunn suggested is stupid. It wastes his action. He's already admitted to swapping two people on the nights they died. Do you really think not doing it tonight will clear him? Plus, my actions specified that a drug dealer would cover him, which IF HE CLAIMS PROPERLY THIS TIME, will amount to the same thing that he wants to do, but we will still get to use his action.

My point was not that I am 100% right, only that I have been right more often than you this game. I did want to kill Colmyer, but I wanted to kill him because he was a voice of reason, not because I thought he was a PR. And the beauty of killing Parker is that I don't even necessarily think he's a PR, but I think he's a good kill regardless. He and Cafarelli are leading the town right now. Regardless of their roles, if we can kill them both, we will be in a great position.

I admit that blackmail was not great. I was misled into thinking loopholes would be closed by the host and did not realize I would have to do it myself. I should probably also remind you that you gave no better input on what my action should be that night. So I went with what I had. And the blackmail you guys came up for me (the one that got Colmyer to suicide) was pretty bad. It was pretty vague and had a huge loophole. And that was AFTER finding out that all loopholes needed to be closed in the BM note. Yeah, Colmyer suiciding worked out, but the only reason that occurred is due to town errors, not because of some brilliant planning. Ergo, it was a COMPLETE FLUKE. So no, I'm not impressed with that decision.

It's not about my ego. For whatever reason you always feel the need to bicker with me in every single FM we play. I don't know why you hate me so much, but I'm really sick of it.

And yes Dunn, you get credit if Parker is doctor. If he's another PR, I'm taking half credit because you pinned him as a doctor specifically. You get half because you still still were the first one to suggest we kill him, but I get the other half for saying that he is a good kill regardless of whether or not he's doctor. Deal? (not that it matters, lol)

[FM Spartacus]

Wait, why are we using a double kill? That pegs buchwalter so easy. What is his defense?

Because we know how Soma works and you don't.

WAITER NEW TEAM MATE PLEASE! THANK YOU!

[FM Leonardo]

Wait, why are we using a double kill? That pegs buchwalter so easy. What is his defense?

Soma expires tomorrow. We have no choice unless we want to waste it.

Buch gave fake soma to Earle. So that's a defense.

To strengthen that defense, we could role block Earle tonight so he is unable to discover that the soma was fake (in case he's a PR)

[Alphege]

Because we know how Soma works and you don't.

WAITER NEW TEAM MATE PLEASE! THANK YOU!

Hey, if you want, I can change my night action. Or, you can continue to be a dick for mostly no reason.
Article wasn't perfect because I have stuff to do so I can't just sit and FM all day. It's not just a reason to lurk. Then I was rushed like 2 hours because of hammer. So, wanna chill the fuck out now that I'm here or continue suggesting we kill allies?

[Alphege]

Because we know how Soma works and you don't.

WAITER NEW TEAM MATE PLEASE! THANK YOU!

And in any case, when Earle isn't a Godfather the chain is going to hit Buchwalter is some fashion.
Double Blackmail would have been much better.

[FM Leonardo]

And in any case, when Earle isn't a Godfather the chain is going to hit Buchwalter is some fashion.
Double Blackmail would have been much better.

Well the hope was that we'd kill the mayor by this point... So we might want to consider likely mayor candidates as targets.

[Alphege]

Mayor & Journalist would be great. Lemme go try to see what I can try to come up with.

[FM Spartacus]

I read everything you guys suggest. What Dunn suggested is stupid. It wastes his action. He's already admitted to swapping two people on the nights they died. Do you really think not doing it tonight will clear him? Plus, my actions specified that a drug dealer would cover him, which IF HE CLAIMS PROPERLY THIS TIME, will amount to the same thing that he wants to do, but we will still get to use his action.

My point was not that I am 100% right, only that I have been right more often than you this game. I did want to kill Colmyer, but I wanted to kill him because he was a voice of reason, not because I thought he was a PR. And the beauty of killing Parker is that I don't even necessarily think he's a PR, but I think he's a good kill regardless. He and Cafarelli are leading the town right now. Regardless of their roles, if we can kill them both, we will be in a great position.

I admit that blackmail was not great. I was misled into thinking loopholes would be closed by the host and did not realize I would have to do it myself. I should probably also remind you that you gave no better input on what my action should be that night. So I went with what I had. And the blackmail you guys came up for me (the one that got Colmyer to suicide) was pretty bad. It was pretty vague and had a huge loophole. And that was AFTER finding out that all loopholes needed to be closed in the BM note. Yeah, Colmyer suiciding worked out, but the only reason that occurred is due to town errors, not because of some brilliant planning. Ergo, it was a COMPLETE FLUKE. So no, I'm not impressed with that decision.

It's not about my ego. For whatever reason you always feel the need to bicker with me in every single FM we play. I don't know why you hate me so much, but I'm really sick of it.

And yes Dunn, you get credit if Parker is doctor. If he's another PR, I'm taking half credit because you pinned him as a doctor specifically. You get half because you still still were the first one to suggest we kill him, but I get the other half for saying that he is a good kill regardless of whether or not he's doctor. Deal? (not that it matters, lol)

And there you go again. More often right THAN YOU and you have not an ego problem right. Being a member of the mafia means you are a member of a team which has to invest more time than town to have a realistical chance at winning. There is no I or YOU or whatever. There you go again. I hate you woot? Why? You don't play an important role in my life so why should i hate you? This makes no sense at all. Do you really think you have that strong impact on anyone you meet? Seriously [Redacted], you like to overexagerate a lot.

I wasn't there as mentioned in my second post N1 BUT i gave you a really good hint where to look for input. And if you argue like that. Bishop was a luck kill i know the COM behind FM Bishop and he lives in Europe. Of course he would get an Avatar earlier than others because of the time difference. Not really impressive either? But you know what? Who cares? We win or lose together. Comparing our genitals wont achieve anything.

SC2 meta is follow the PR. Voice of reasoning isn't as useful as night actions. Just look at the lynch on FM Cohen. He did a great job mimicing town but in the end he got lynched because HERP DERP FOLLOW THE PR and LIES ARE ALWAYS SCUMTELLS. You clearly want all the PR s dead as fast as possible. Especially with a sheep town like we have in FM 18. The Town leaders are so full of holes they hunt their own tail the whole day. Just look at the lynch of FM Biggs which was really pathetic.

But i agree. We want one shot on Cafarelli but we need our Kidnapper for it. The drug dealers can make your swapping up instead.

I suggest

swap FM Cavarelli with myself - or - FM Black
Kill 1 on me - or - FM Black
Kill 2 on Ballard or Bekowsky

Drug 1: false swap on Parker
Drug 2: blackmail drug Chapman

Blackmailer: Monroe

[FM Spartacus]

Reasoning behind it:

Cavarelli is annoying has to go. If he flips Savage town will have a hard time to recover form the fact that one of their leaders was scum.

If the kidnapper takes me as swap target and he doesn't get blocked i have a stronger defense tomorrow at day if somebody says i am scum. If Dunn gets blocked i am a goner.
If we decide of picking Black instead we gonna get rid of another town - this point is discussable there are many good swap targets out there.

Kill 2: Ballard as Mayor candidate, Bekowsky as high likely Escort target who blocked Donelly last night.

Drug 1: Backup for Dunn's interview
Drug 2: could be another swap as well but another fake blackmail might be more effective. We might consider at this point that one of us fakes another blackmail at day. He might be considered as town on the upcomming days. FM Mendezz would be a good fake blackmail target or Galloway.


Leo wants to blackmail Monroe. Not a bad idea. All we need is a good blackmail message which is the biggest issue for tonight.

[Alphege]

-SWAP FM Phelps with FM Cafarelli

I am multiple kinds of ok maybe killing you right now :)

[FM Spartacus]

I am a manipulative bitch i know!

[Alphege]

Hey, if you want, I can change my night action.

Actually, trying to be the only team player here. Article wasn't perfect, activity isn't great, but I'm not actively trying to ruin us.

[FM Spartacus]

Just blame the hosts. For not sending the interview to your night chat account.

[Alphege]

Just blame the hosts. For not sending the interview to your night chat account.

Really this would have changed quite a many things about the sittuation

[FM Attila]

Sorry for being so afk.
I have to take spartacus' side here.

I'd suggest swapping Black with Cafa over Phelps with Cafa.
I don't want the chance being taken that kidnapper gets blocked and we lose a mafia member.

[Alphege]

What is the reasoning that successful swap would give Phelps more wiggle room?

[FM Attila]

We could buss Ackermann/Earle with Cafa as neither of them seems to claim feedbacks.
Then we fake buss Phelps {drugs} which he claims happens.
Makes it a bit more "obvious" Mafia are framing him thus ceasing his lynch?
Only thing I can think of

[FM Vespasian]

This list I plan on post on day 5, it will clearly state that the interviewed "Bus Driver" is a Kidnapper.

But it also reveal that there are way too many bussed claims, and that may sure that there is a Drug Dealer in game, and if Cafarelli reveal the feedback prevention on night 3, they will know there is indeed two Drug Dealers. But still Cafarelli seem to be totally unaware of the feedback prevention on night 3, which still lead me to believe that Cafarelli is not an Investigator.

Just a reminder, I very likely will post this list doing the day. If we play our cards right we can make it look like some of the bussed claimers lied about being bussed! That would cause more confusion for sure, and may even suggest they are mafia with the Kidnapper.

[FM Vespasian]

Killing Parker and Cafarelli sounds like music to my ears, how town will react though is unknown. And there is that small chance of the Mayor knowing that I'm mafia.

At least the known "Investigator" will be dead, and if Cafarelli is not the real Investigator the real one will have to reveal. So there may be a delay on getting a investigative pairing on me.

Parker just plain annoy me, I would love him gone.

On the off chance that Cafarelli does not die, it may cause confusion and so much chaos if they think Savages has started killing.

[FM Spartacus]

I am Back.

[FM Leonardo]

I had something I was going to post last night, but my internet went out. I might post it later, but I'm on my phone right now so I'll keep it short. I think Galloway should pretend to be blackmailed tomorrow. He's active enough that we would probably blackmail him if he weren't mafia, and this will give him more town cred. We can have our dd drug it to him if you are worried about lookouts, but otherwise we can just have him fake it and use our dds elsewhere. And since he'll be doing it tomorrow, if my target waits until the second day to do it, they will look suspicious. And Galloway could say it's the second day as if i bmed him last night. Or maybe I could bm caf to restrict him to song lyrics or something so he can't reveal more results. This might backfire and make Phelps look suspicious though.

[FM Spartacus]

Round 3

Fight!

FM Leary:
Whooping 15 posts over the whol game. Still no Avatar might be on purpose so peopl won't remember him.
Day 1 2 posts: says hi and says he has no time for this. Why is he not getting himself replaced then? Fishy.
Day 2 3 posts: wants to get replaced because of his busy schedule. -breaking point- He changed his playstyle after N3. Either he was replaced or his victory conditions had changed.
Day 3 6 posts: sound like he got replaced. Votes cohen thinks he is pulling the classic last effort scum defense.
Day 4 3 posts: He still has exams to do interesting... He finds Parker, Galletta, Biggs scummy and votes Parker. He thinks Parker is a herder. -Delta--Savage-

- NEXT -

FM Carruthers:
Another 15 post wonder with no deep thoughts in his posts. Drive by FM player
Day 1 1 post: Another guy with Exams.
Day 2 2 posts: claims that this post is his first so he claims that he was replaced. Thinks Cohen plays like a Jester.
Day 3 8 posts: is critical about Cavarellis reveal against cohen. thinks he would flip Bus Driver.
Day 4 4 posts: thinks its funny that town sucks doh. Fears teh Jester. more focused on cult than mafia. anti cult. possible witch town

- NEXT -

FM Moron:
34 posts day 4 one of the most active players: claims bus driven again. Calls Galetta out. He plays a lot like myself when i am town., calls lurkers out. Tries to get people to post so he can read them clearer. biggs voter. For 34 posts not much worth in it. Doesn't hit me as an investigative role. -Town- Can't find any hints on his role. probably Delta or BD. The only person in game which was driven twice so far.

- NEXT -

FM Hugenoob
4 Posts Day 4. Didn't claim that i roleblocked him. Has a really far fetched idea about the Arsonist. All of his posts are for mafia analysis. Everytime the discussion switched over to the savages he just ignored it and posted filler. He also seems to holding back. Savage


Welp Since you guys aren't really interested about discussing people in general i am gonna stop posting stuff like that. Le time waste :(

[FM Leonardo]

If Galloway fakes and caf gets bmed, he might think the one he got is fake and claim which would make him suicide which would be awesome.

[FM Leonardo]

Round 3

Fight!

FM Leary:
Whooping 15 posts over the whol game. Still no Avatar might be on purpose so peopl won't remember him.
Day 1 2 posts: says hi and says he has no time for this. Why is he not getting himself replaced then? Fishy.
Day 2 3 posts: wants to get replaced because of his busy schedule. -breaking point- He changed his playstyle after N3. Either he was replaced or his victory conditions had changed.
Day 3 6 posts: sound like he got replaced. Votes cohen thinks he is pulling the classic last effort scum defense.
Day 4 3 posts: He still has exams to do interesting... He finds Parker, Galletta, Biggs scummy and votes Parker. He thinks Parker is a herder. -Delta--Savage-

- NEXT -

FM Carruthers:
Another 15 post wonder with no deep thoughts in his posts. Drive by FM player
Day 1 1 post: Another guy with Exams.
Day 2 2 posts: claims that this post is his first so he claims that he was replaced. Thinks Cohen plays like a Jester.
Day 3 8 posts: is critical about Cavarellis reveal against cohen. thinks he would flip Bus Driver.
Day 4 4 posts: thinks its funny that town sucks doh. Fears teh Jester. more focused on cult than mafia. anti cult. possible witch town

- NEXT -

FM Moron:
34 posts day 4 one of the most active players: claims bus driven again. Calls Galetta out. He plays a lot like myself when i am town., calls lurkers out. Tries to get people to post so he can read them clearer. biggs voter. For 34 posts not much worth in it. Doesn't hit me as an investigative role. -Town- Can't find any hints on his role. probably Delta or BD. The only person in game which was driven twice so far.

- NEXT -

FM Hugenoob
4 Posts Day 4. Didn't claim that i roleblocked him. Has a really far fetched idea about the Arsonist. All of his posts are for mafia analysis. Everytime the discussion switched over to the savages he just ignored it and posted filler. He also seems to holding back. Savage


Welp Since you guys aren't really interested about discussing people in general i am gonna stop posting stuff like that. Le time waste :(

If I had more time I would discuss these more. Night 6 I should be able to.

[FM Spartacus]

Apparently it would change him to a delta or a savage. Only Deltas die to it.

[FM Spartacus]

Do you suggest we shoot someone else instead of Cafarelli or is that some kind of backup plan if he should survive?

[FM Artaxerxes]

-SWAP FM Phelps with FM Cafarelli

I am multiple kinds of ok maybe killing you right now :)
What. Change this to black and Cafarelli and I will be happy.

Awww look at Spartacus trying to get MVP

I agree that we should have one of our Mafia members pretend to be blackmailed tomorrow. We would need something that multiple people can do so there is no confusion. People are taking blackmail as proof of town which we should take advantage of.

We will drug a bus because Dunn needs a solid town member to bus to prove he is not a kidnapper. I say Parker.

Killing Parker gains us nothing, his reads are completely wrong. He thinks most of us are town, so we can use him to fuel lynches on more Deltas. I've basically got him wanting to lynch Ryan already.

Ballard + Bekowsky are decent kills for tonight. Why not Ackerman instead of Bekowsky though? Your read that Bekowsky is escort doesn't sit right with me. I haven't seen anyone pressuring him post night 2 really. Since an escort roleblocked him n2, you'd think they would show some suspicion in day chat for him.

Also killing Ackerman will help Dunn with him saying that Ackerman is "confirmed 100% town" and that he saved him. Us killing Ackerman will make people believe that he was an original target for us.

[FM Spartacus]

Ok i have an idea. Let's Blackmail someone into claiming Town Investigator. He also has to claim that FM cafarelli is his student. He knows that he was culted N4 because he never said anything anymore in their Mentor/student night chat. He was feeding him every information pairing he had found until now. He is cult or was jailed. pls lynch KKthxbye.

Then Galloway will act as fake blackmailed Day 5 or mendezz because its possible that they were blackmaile dout of a town perspective.

Also Why should we drug our own people? It's not really effective. Just claim that you were swapped instead. So the Drug dealer can do something else.

Thoughts?

[FM Spartacus]

What. Change this to black and Cafarelli and I will be happy.

Awww look at Spartacus trying to get MVP

I agree that we should have one of our Mafia members pretend to be blackmailed tomorrow. We would need something that multiple people can do so there is no confusion. People are taking blackmail as proof of town which we should take advantage of.

We will drug a bus because Dunn needs a solid town member to bus to prove he is not a kidnapper. I say Parker.

Killing Parker gains us nothing, his reads are completely wrong. He thinks most of us are town, so we can use him to fuel lynches on more Deltas. I've basically got him wanting to lynch Ryan already.

Ballard + Bekowsky are decent kills for tonight. Why not Ackerman instead of Bekowsky though? Your read that Bekowsky is escort doesn't sit right with me. I haven't seen anyone pressuring him post night 2 really. Since an escort roleblocked him n2, you'd think they would show some suspicion in day chat for him.

Also killing Ackerman will help Dunn with him saying that Ackerman is "confirmed 100% town" and that he saved him. Us killing Ackerman will make people believe that he was an original target for us.

Actually i gun for players choice :-P

[FM Artaxerxes]

Ok i have an idea. Let's Blackmail someone into claiming Town Investigator. He also has to claim that FM cafarelli is his student. He knows that he was culted N4 because he never said anything anymore in their Mentor/student night chat. He was feeding him every information pairing he had found until now. He is cult or was jailed. pls lynch KKthxbye.

Then Galloway will act as fake blackmailed Day 5 or mendezz because its possible that they were blackmaile dout of a town perspective.

Also Why should we drug our own people? It's not really effective. Just claim that you were swapped instead. So the Drug dealer can do something else.

Thoughts?
Ok. This blackmail sits right with me.

Why do we need them to claim that FM Cafarelli is the student and savaged? We could just have them claim invest as a CC to Cafarelli. We could give him the investigative pair from the first Article.

We could also say he investigated one of us and we could confirm it. Also we could add the condition -

Wait until Caferelli posts, then reply with this.

I've been waiting for the right time to CC you. I think today is the best time. When you first revealed you were invest, I was suspicious but now I am 100% sure you are lying. I originally wrote the article on Day 2 after investigating Phelps on night 1.

I suspect you are a Savage trying to speak the results of a savage investigator. That is why you waited so long to reveal your results on Phelps. Your Savage investigator had not posted the code yet.

For more proof -
I was roleblocked Night 2. Unsure of who could've done it, I suspect just an Escort trying to find the GF since I was not roleblocked again.

Night 3 I checked *whatever someone who died.

Night 4 I checked *one of us. Possibly Myself, and just say that I came up Delta.

Last night checked Cafarelli = Came up as Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer. So obviously you are lying about being an investigator. It has to be that you are receiving codes.
FM Cafarelli

Put some more scum suspecting in there. I'm not writing this entirely by myself or people will trace the writing style back to me.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Actually i gun for players choice :-P

If we win, I'll vote for u.

Also lel look @ votecount counting votes here.

[FM Spartacus]

If we win, I'll vote for u.

Also lel look @ votecount counting votes here.

awww <3

Well the idea behind the invest revealing his culted student is that it looks like a more complicated situation but at the same time it is a plausible game situation which is quite possible. No one ever mentioned the idea of a student in day. This will take more time to sort through like a simple counter claim would do. We still haven't found the last benign neutral there is no real evidence on a jester or an executioner/ Amnesiac. A simple counterclaim is what town expect out of a blackmail.

Additionally we could keep the illusion up that mafia has 2 blackmailers if one of us fakes a BM. The people who don't believe that will believe that the blackmailed invest claimer has to speak the truth because there is only one blackmailer right? This will cause a lot of chaos at day and keep our asses covered another night.

[FM Spartacus]

[/vote]FM Cafarelli[vote]

Lol.

[FM Spartacus]

:( i wonder if "the captain" would lock the chat as well haha. Please don't try....

[FM Artaxerxes]

awww <3

Well the idea behind the invest revealing his culted student is that it looks like a more complicated situation but at the same time it is a plausible game situation which is quite possible. No one ever mentioned the idea of a student in day. This will take more time to sort through like a simple counter claim would do. We still haven't found the last benign neutral there is no real evidence on a jester or an executioner/ Amnesiac. A simple counterclaim is what town expect out of a blackmail.

Additionally we could keep the illusion up that mafia has 2 blackmailers if one of us fakes a BM. The people who don't believe that will believe that the blackmailed invest claimer has to speak the truth because there is only one blackmailer right? This will cause a lot of chaos at day and keep our asses covered another night.

True. But if we try to make him seem like a student it leaves the fact open that he either
A) Lied about being feedback blocked
B) Chose a mentor night 0. Aka most retarded Student ever.

[FM Spartacus]

How so? N1 he chose his mentor. Got feedback blocked, received the pm at the end of the day. It completely makes sense. How so? He is a benign neutral he can do what he want. Just because you wouldn't play like that doesn't mean others wouldn't. Remember the Arso?

[FM Spartacus]

Just Blackmail FM Rose with it. His citizen pairings friend. Because you know a student would give an alibi for his real target. ;)

[FM Spartacus]

Let the Savage gf lead a lynchtrain against his own guy. Heuheuheuhe!

[FM Spartacus]

What happens to a student who already ha dpicked a Mentor and got culted afterwards? Will his night chat with the mentor still work?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Let the Savage gf lead a lynchtrain against his own guy. Heuheuheuhe!

Ok we can try it. But we will need accurate investigations.

I think we could bm Bekowsky -

n1 - checked phelps - got consort/bm/witch/ghost/
n2 - ROLEBLOCKED - Bekowsky was rbed n2
n3 - Morgan? Could put some bs explanation how he was playing town leader and he came up the invest pairing with Savage. Didn't reveal him because you thought he would be a Mason.
n4 - Mendez - DELTURD
n5 - Cafarelli - He stopped speaking in mentor/student chat so you checked him to see if he was culted. He came up as savage pairing. You are 100% sure he is culted now. huehuehue.

I chose bekowsky because then we have to guess less roles to be accurate

[FM Artaxerxes]

the savage pairing

Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer

[FM Spartacus]

If the Mentor of the student gets culted afterwards the student already picked up his old winning objective. Does the Student switch his winning objectives to cult alignment?

[FM Spartacus]

Ok we can try it. But we will need accurate investigations.

I think we could bm Bekowsky -

n1 - checked phelps - got consort/bm/witch/ghost/
n2 - ROLEBLOCKED - Bekowsky was rbed n2
n3 - Morgan? Could put some bs explanation how he was playing town leader and he came up the invest pairing with Savage. Didn't reveal him because you thought he would be a Mason.
n4 - Mendez - DELTURD
n5 - Cafarelli - He stopped speaking in mentor/student chat so you checked him to see if he was culted. He came up as savage pairing. You are 100% sure he is culted now. huehuehue.

I chose bekowsky because then we have to guess less roles to be accurate

Bekowsky is high likely an escort though.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Bekowsky is high likely an escort though.

Well If you want to choose Rose we will need another investigative pairing to put for n2.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Actually. I suppose Cohen would be the obvious choice

[FM Artaxerxes]

The other problem is if he waits til second day to compete this blackmail, there will be a missing pairing for n6. People will ask him to confirm who he checked on n6

[FM Spartacus]

The other problem is if he waits til second day to compete this blackmail, there will be a missing pairing for n6. People will ask him to confirm who he checked on n6

This is true that might be a problem. But if he wouldn't reveal it the next day he gets himself very suspicious and gets himself lynched maybe.

[FM Spartacus]

We can't add a N6 pairing though otherwise he would reveal it Day 5 and everybody would know whats up. If he decides to reveal Day 6 he will look really scummy if he has 1 less pairing. Alternatively we could just block him on N6 so he couldn't have one.

[FM Spartacus]

An alternative would be to just block him N6.

[Forum Mafia GM]

What happens to a student who already ha dpicked a Mentor and got culted afterwards? Will his night chat with the mentor still work?

Godfather (savage) role card says: If you -recruit an epsilon, they become a savage.

Therefor, he would no longer be a student at all and the student chat would be discontinued.


If the Mentor of the student gets culted afterwards the student already picked up his old winning objective. Does the Student switch his winning objectives to cult alignment?

Student role card says: Help your mentor win. His objective doesn't change. He remains the student of a now culted person.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Ok. The hypothetical blackmail.

In your first post of the day, say the following -

Hey guys

I think it's time I revealed Cafarelli out to be scum. First of all, I am the Investigator (Color this town color). Cafarelli picked me as his mentor n1. Here is my proof -

N1- Checked Phelps. Random check, he came up as Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost. I believed Cafarellis claim that he had his feedback blocked because he chose me as a mentor and did not receive any information that night.
N2 - I checked Cohen. He came up Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student. We knew that it was impossible for their to be a second student, and that he lied about the drugged poison so we decided to pressure him and for Cafarelli to reveal that he checked me n2 and that I was a Citizen.
n3 - I checked Morgan. His pairing was Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer. I suspected he was a Mason and would've kept this information to myself except he i dead now.
n4 - Cafarelli did not speak to me at all this night. I was unsure if he was afk or not. I decided to check FM (We have to put somebody here. Could be one of our own, but it will make the BM victim suspicious of us.)
n5 - Cafarelli was active during the day and revealed the investigation I had gotten from Phelps n1. I suspect he was converted to the cult on n3. I checked him last night and he came up as Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer.

Not as Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student as he should have. On the positive side, at least since I was using him to reveal my investigations, then the Cult failed to convert him as an investigator and he instead turned to a regular Savage.
FM Cafarelli (This has to be done in a way that he can't just fake vote)

[FM Spartacus]

Ok the guy claims invest who was picked n1 from Cafarelli as mentor.

If we blackmail FM Rose:

He checked N1 checked Morgan, got delta read. got the Day 1 saw that he had now a student.
He checked N2 discussed about strategies how to use the student to keep himself save at night. Gave him the Morgan pairing. Checked Cohen.
He checked N3 shared the arso pairing with Cafarelli. decided to push a lynch on him because we thought he was scum and we were right. We decided that my student would out me as a delta for WIFOM protection.
He checked N4 FM Phelps because we couldn't understand him. So we fear him which makes him scummy.(lol) weren't sure if he is mafia
He checked N5 Student stopped responding in night chat wut happen? MUST BE CULT! , Checked Lichtmann got Delta pairings.

Now lynch Cavarelli he is cult now i don't believe there is a mason clubber. Keel Keel!


If we blackmail someone else
Just change the N2 check to FM Rose as Delta pairing and cut the wifom protection part on N3.

EZ

[FM Spartacus]

Ok. The hypothetical blackmail.

In your first post of the day, say the following -
I think it's time I revealed Cafarelli out to be scum. First of all, I am the Investigator (Color this town color). Cafarelli picked me as his mentor n1. Here is my proof -

N1- Checked Phelps. Random check, he came up as Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost. I believed Cafarellis claim that he had his feedback blocked because he chose me as a mentor and did not receive any information that night.
N2 - I checked Cohen. He came up Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student. We knew that it was impossible for their to be a second student, and that he lied about the drugged poison so we decided to pressure him and for Cafarelli to reveal that he checked me n2 and that I was a Citizen.
n3 - I checked Morgan. His pairing was Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer. I suspected he was a Mason and would've kept this information to myself except he i dead now.
n4 - Cafarelli did not speak to me at all this night. I was unsure if he was afk or not. I decided to check FM (We have to put somebody here. Could be one of our own, but it will make the BM victim suspicious of us.)
n5 - Cafarelli was active during the day and revealed the investigation I had gotten from Phelps n1. I suspect he was converted to the cult on n3. I checked him last night and he came up as Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer.

Not as Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student as he should have. On the positive side, at least since I was using him to reveal my investigations, then the Cult failed to convert him as an investigator and he instead turned to a regular Savage.
FM Cafarelli (This has to be done in a way that he can't just fake vote)

In your first post of the day, say the following -[/COLOR] <-- won't work, not allowed.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Ok the guy claims invest who was picked n1 from Cafarelli as mentor.

If we blackmail FM Rose:

He checked N1 checked Morgan, got delta read. got the Day 1 saw that he had now a student.
He checked N2 discussed about strategies how to use the student to keep himself save at night. Gave him the Morgan pairing. Checked Cohen.
He checked N3 shared the arso pairing with Cafarelli. decided to push a lynch on him because we thought he was scum and we were right. We decided that my student would out me as a delta for WIFOM protection.
He checked N4 FM Phelps because we couldn't understand him. So we fear him which makes him scummy.(lol) weren't sure if he is mafia
He checked N5 Student stopped responding in night chat wut happen? MUST BE CULT! , Checked Lichtmann got Delta pairings.

Now lynch Cavarelli he is cult now i don't believe there is a mason clubber. Keel Keel!


If we blackmail someone else
Just change the N2 check to FM Rose as Delta pairing and cut the wifom protection part on N3.

EZ
I like how we both came to the same conclusion that he would reveal rose as delta for wifom protection.

It is allowed. We can force a victim to say any phrase, perhaps we can't make him say it as the first post though.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Ah you mean the lynch vote.

Perhaps we could make him do this
[vote]FM Cafarelli[vote]

[FM Spartacus]

We can't force them to post in their first post of the day. That's not possible.

[FM Artaxerxes]

We can't force them to post in their first post of the day. That's not possible.

We aren't allowed to force them to do something that would prevent them from doing the task in 2 days. Nothing against us making it his first post of the day as far as I can tell.

[FM Spartacus]

Ok. The hypothetical blackmail.

In your first post of the day, say the following -

Hey guys

I think it's time I revealed Cafarelli out to be scum. First of all, I am the Investigator (Color this town color). Cafarelli picked me as his mentor n1. Here is my proof -

N1- Checked Phelps. Random check, he came up as Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost. I believed Cafarellis claim that he had his feedback blocked because he chose me as a mentor and did not receive any information that night.
N2 - I checked Cohen. He came up Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student. We knew that it was impossible for their to be a second student, and that he lied about the drugged poison so we decided to pressure him and for Cafarelli to reveal that he checked me n2 and that I was a Citizen.
n3 - I checked Morgan. His pairing was Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer. I suspected he was a Mason and would've kept this information to myself except he i dead now.
n4 - Cafarelli did not speak to me at all this night. I was unsure if he was afk or not. I decided to check FM (We have to put somebody here. Could be one of our own, but it will make the BM victim suspicious of us.)
n5 - Cafarelli was active during the day and revealed the investigation I had gotten from Phelps n1. I suspect he was converted to the cult on n3. I checked him last night and he came up as Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer.

Not as Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student as he should have. On the positive side, at least since I was using him to reveal my investigations, then the Cult failed to convert him as an investigator and he instead turned to a regular Savage.
FM Cafarelli (This has to be done in a way that he can't just fake vote)

I think we should go with your suggestion. Now we should formulate it as effective as possible. Also should we threaten him to do it already on Day 5? We could tell him that we received Soma N4 and we will use our second kill on him if he doesn't do as we order him.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Blackmail should be allowed to complete at any time of day. Forcing player to make it his first post prevents him from doing it later in the day.

Can't force first post part.

[FM Spartacus]

I think we should go with your suggestion. Now we should formulate it as effective as possible. Also should we threaten him to do it already on Day 5? We could tell him that we received Soma N4 and we will use our second kill on him if he doesn't do as we order him.

Problem. The student gets culted N4. Reveals N5 in the cult chat that his mentor is FM Switzerland. N5 FM Switzerland gets culted by the savages... We need him to claim a bus drive as well otherwise its not believable.

[FM Spartacus]

Lol so the fake invest claims a swap which suggests that the savage gf recruited one of the swap claimers from Day 5. our Blackmail target should ask for mason protection as well. This is so evil :D

[FM Spartacus]

We need a feedback surpress on Cafarelli as well.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Blackmail should be allowed to complete at any time of day. Forcing player to make it his first post prevents him from doing it later in the day.

Can't force first post part.
Thank you for the clarification.

We can just force him to post it. The problem is that he could try to reveal it at the end of the day. We definitely should add the threat. but the Soma part is not good *we can't receive soma n4. unless mayor held it until n4....

If you could, please check mine to make sure it's accurate. i.e. no loopholes in logic. Also I think you should reword some lines for me so that it doesn't look like I wrote it.

Good point about the Culted. And adding in the bussed is a good touch.

[FM Artaxerxes]

We need a feedback surpress on Cafarelli as well.

In case he is actually the invest? Ok. Well we have to send the feedback supress to you because of Alfafas bussing.

[FM Spartacus]

In case he is actually the invest? Ok. Well we have to send the feedback supress to you because of Alfafas bussing.

Maybe Alphalpha will be back before the night ends and we can change my swap to something which has the same effect without getting my head chopped off.
Anways. I would like to block Monroe tonight. He is the only townie who got driven 2 times from the real bus driver which makes me believe he might be the Bus driver himself. The alternative would be to block Bekowsky who is more scummy and i think is escort.

Thoughts?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Maybe Alphalpha will be back before the night ends and we can change my swap to something which has the same effect without getting my head chopped off.
Anways. I would like to block Monroe tonight. He is the only townie who got driven 2 times from the real bus driver which makes me believe he might be the Bus driver himself. The alternative would be to block Bekowsky who is more scummy and i think is escort.

Thoughts?

I agree. Except for the one night where he swapped Colmyer and Ackerman. We can just kill Bekowsky tonight with the Soma if you are so certain that he is escort. Blocking Monroe is a good idea. He also did not reveal that he was bussed by us on day 1. *Another point that I wish dunn did not reveal.

[FM Spartacus]

I agree. Except for the one night where he swapped Colmyer and Ackerman. We can just kill Bekowsky tonight with the Soma if you are so certain that he is escort. Blocking Monroe is a good idea. He also did not reveal that he was bussed by us on day 1. *Another point that I wish dunn did not reveal.

Maybe he didn't know that he was swapped by us, because he swapped himself the same night and decided to not tell anyone about it.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Maybe he didn't know that he was swapped by us, because he swapped himself the same night and decided to not tell anyone about it.

He would have received two bussed feedbacks in that case.

[FM Spartacus]

True Kidnapper comes first.


Also in your blackmail message. We have to change N5 to last night. Otherwise it will look very suspicious if he decides to do the blackmail on Day 7. Then we either could drug him roleblocked or i really block him. Thoughts?

[FM Artaxerxes]

True Kidnapper comes first.


Also in your blackmail message. We have to change N5 to last night. Otherwise it will look very suspicious if he decides to do the blackmail on Day 7. Then we either could drug him roleblocked or i really block him. Thoughts?

If you could edit the blackmail yourself. I think how I wrote it will be too easily identified to myself. I agree that it should be last night. Except then we miss a night? Our blackmail will not stop him from being able to reveal OTHER information like roleblocked.

[FM Spartacus]

You are kidding right?

[FM Artaxerxes]

You are kidding right?

About editing the blackmail? No. I could do it all myself but I read that and think...Yep i wrote that. Someone else could probably do the same

[FM Spartacus]

About editing the blackmail? No. I could do it all myself but I read that and think...Yep i wrote that. Someone else could probably do the same

I see. Well we still have to know if the Blackmail works like we want it to. So we need feedback from Switzerland. Then we can change the formulation. I guess.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Well I need to see what your official wording of your black mail is before I can judge.

[FM Spartacus]

Gf uses Soma
kill 1: FM Bekowsky?FM Parker? FM Ballard? FM Monroe?
kill 2: FM Bekowsky?FM Parker? FM Ballard? FM Monroe?

I block Rose so the gap is closed for his blackmail. He can't claim the one or the other to not look like a fail scum.
FM Nutella blackmails Rose
Drug Dealer 1 Buchwalter: drug on ???
Drug Dealer 2 Attila: Feedback blocks Cafarelli

Kidnapper: swaps Kill Target 1 with FM Kalou - insert random guy in here-

[FM Spartacus]

Where the fuck is everybody?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Where the fuck is everybody?

agreed. A G R E E D

I will rewrite the blackmail. We can add in a bussed claim as well.

Why are you going to block him? Should I change the blackmail to be blocked last night? No check on Cafarelli, it's just that he is no longer posting in mentor chat that makes him scum?

[FM Spartacus]

agreed. A G R E E D

I will rewrite the blackmail. We can add in a bussed claim as well.

Why are you going to block him? Should I change the blackmail to be blocked last night? No check on Cafarelli, it's just that he is no longer posting in mentor chat that makes him scum?

Nope, just change the night 5 phrase to "last night" So if he decided to claim Day 5 he has to use the LAST NIGHT phrase for his check on his student.

If he Decides to reveal on Day 6 he has to claim my block on N5 for his missing pairing. Otherwise there would be a gap in between those nights.

Also the second Drug dealer should drug FM Lichtmann with a false block so i can claim tomorrow that i blocked Lichtmann. Blocking Rose will look scummy if he survives to tell about the Blackmail message.

[FM Spartacus]

Actually we don't really need the Kidnapper tonight to kill someone. We might consider giving our GF a swap so his chances getting lower that he gets blocked. Thoughts?

[FM Vespasian]

Thoughts?

I'm sorry, my head is not in the game today. Long day in school and so.

Everything you guys have talked about sounds awesome! The blackmail is interesting, but the delayed effect will be a problem no matter what.

Reading people is far from my strong side, analyzing night actions to figure out roles on the other hand I'm good at. That is why i wanna post my nice list tomorrow, but I'm not sure if it is really a good idea.

As for an idea I had, tonight Alphas will be using and sending out Soma, so I could send a copy of the Mayor's Soma message out with a fake dosage. That is if you guys do not have a better idea for drugs.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Say the following only once during the day. Do not alter it in any way. If you do not do this on the first day, we will kill you. Follow the kills, we blackmailed and killed colmyer and morgan, this is not an idle threat. The Phrase =
Ok guys I think it's time I revealed this.

I am the investigator. Cafarelli is now a Savage. He was originally my student, and he did not post at all in our night chat. I was using him to give my information to the town without becoming a target. Here is my proof

N1- Checked Phelps. Random first night check, he came up as Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost. I believed Cafarellis claim that he had his feedback blocked because he chose me as a mentor and did not receive any information that he did.
N2 - I checked Cohen. He came up Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student. We knew that it was impossible for their to be a second student, and that he lied about the drugged poison so we decided to pressure him because he was very likely a mafia. I told him to reveal that he checked me n2 and that I was a Citizen, for wifom protection.
n3 - I checked Morgan because I suspected that he was faking the blackmail. His pairing was Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer. I suspected he was a Mason and we decided against revealing this information.
n4 - Cafarelli did not speak to me at all this night. I was unsure if he was afk or not. I decided to check FM Mendez. He came up as Mafia Godfather / Savage Godfather / Mayor / Delta / Jester / Survivor. DON'T ADD THIS. WE NEED TO FIND A REASON WHY AN INVEST WOULD CHECK ME
Last Night - Still no Contact from Cafarelli in our night chat. I suspect he is now culted. His reveal of my n1 investigation is proof that he is now cult. I checked him and he came up as Interceptor / Bodyguard / Mason Enforcer / Mason Clubber / Savage / Spree Killer. Not as Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student as he should have. On the positive side, at least since I was using him to reveal my investigations, then the Cult failed to convert him as an investigator and he instead turned to a regular Savage. Thankfully I was also bussed last night. I was worried that if he was culted, they would target me next.

Yes it was I that wrote the article on day 2. We decided that it was in our best interest for him to counterclaim it because people would be more likely to believe his (my) investigations then.
-vote FM Cafarelli

Why cant we send a fake roleblock to rose and you block lichtmann? If Lichtmann is a PR you will be confirmed scum. We can be 90% sure that rose is a citizen though.

I agree that if I'm going to Soma we need to keep me safe as possible. Do you think swapping me and you would be safe? The escort who targeted you last night will definitely not retarget you. The other escort may though. Also are you noting the lack of 3rd roleblocks?

What about swapping myself with a towny like parker?

[FM Artaxerxes]

One of our drugs needs to be a fake bus. Dunn will claim he bussed one of these fake bussed players....

[FM Spartacus]

I'm sorry, my head is not in the game today. Long day in school and so.

Everything you guys have talked about sounds awesome! The blackmail is interesting, but the delayed effect will be a problem no matter what.

Reading people is far from my strong side, analyzing night actions to figure out roles on the other hand I'm good at. That is why i wanna post my nice list tomorrow, but I'm not sure if it is really a good idea.

As for an idea I had, tonight Alphas will be using and sending out Soma, so I could send a copy of the Mayor's Soma message out with a fake dosage. That is if you guys do not have a better idea for drugs.

That's where my block comes in. If he does not claim the block on N5 but decides to do the blackmail. He has to use the Last night phrase for the savage read on Cafarelli.

If he does claim the block and doesn't do the blackmail on Day 5 he has to do it on Day 6 and the gap is closed.

If he claims both on Day 5 he looks really suspicious.

If he doesn't fullfill the blackmail he is probably the Savage gf because he gets no penalty for not fullfilling it.

If he claims it and is delta another town dead. The next night and we can fake another blackmail on one of our team.

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@Vespasian: The last message didn't work out as we had expected. Also a fake roleblock on FM Lichtmann helps me to survive the comming days. I could claim that block tomorrow which would make my life more easy. We still could do something else though.

[FM Artaxerxes]

That's where my block comes in. If he does not claim the block on N5 but decides to do the blackmail. He has to use the Last night phrase for the savage read on Cafarelli.

If he does claim the block and doesn't do the blackmail on Day 5 he has to do it on Day 6 and the gap is closed.

If he claims both on Day 5 he looks really suspicious.

If he doesn't fullfill the blackmail he is probably the Savage gf because he gets no penalty for not fullfilling it.

If he claims it and is delta another town dead. The next night and we can fake another blackmail on one of our team.

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@Vespasian: The last message didn't work out as we had expected. Also a fake roleblock on FM Lichtmann helps me to survive the comming days. I could claim that block tomorrow which would make my life more easy. We still could do something else though.

The savage gf will still suicide if he does not do it. He can just say it was a blackmail afterwards.

[FM Spartacus]

We have to tell Rose that he has to use the exact phrases we send him in that bm. The full feedback for every single night. Or we tell him to not reveal anything else what has happened to him while he is blackmailed if that's possible.

Yeah we should drug Rose instead and i block someone scummy. Apprently that's even better so i have a wider choice to block someone.. hmm



out of the blackmailer rolecard

Nothing happens to evil neutrals or a savage godfather who claims blackmailed.

[FM Spartacus]

One of our drugs needs to be a fake bus. Dunn will claim he bussed one of these fake bussed players....

Hum this means we need a fake roleblock tonight, a fake swap and a deedback surpress on Cavarelli how shall that work?

[FM Artaxerxes]

We have to tell Rose that he has to use the exact phrases we send him in that bm. The full feedback for every single night. Or we tell him to not reveal anything else what has happened to him while he is blackmailed if that's possible.

Yeah we should drug Rose instead and i block someone scummy. Apprently that's even better so i have a wider choice to block someone.. hmm



out of the blackmailer rolecard

Nothing happens to evil neutrals or a savage godfather who claims blackmailed.
Also out of the blackmailer rolecard
If they do not complete your task within 2 days, they will suicide. You may only blackmail one person at a time.

[FM Spartacus]

If he is savage gf or the witch he is immune honey. Anyways. This shit has to sound like Rose so i've got all of his posts in this spoiler. So you can make it sound like it's really him who claims all of this. Apparently the blackmail note neets more colour.

You think im afraid of a sheep? Sheeps can't fly.

Did you get healed tonight, cohen?

Nvm, you claimed to be drugged.

wasn't drugged or wasn't healed?

I sure hope we have a jailor.

He is not the mayor then?

Ballard is a scum. He uses cheap quacks to make himself seem less suspicious, He doesn't really seem like the kind of player that roleplays since he often forgets to say ''quack''.
The only purpose of him saying quack is so that people will get a different view of him which doesn't seem like something a townie would need to do.

The corrupted journalist wasn't able to post his article befeore he died.

It is true that i am a delta, so i think it is unlikely that cafarelli is lying about his results. Cafarelli could be a savage but the savages want the mafia dead aswell.

A drug dealer can make a fake blackmail. He is however forced to use the same blackmail note as the real blackmailer so it is very likely that 2 players have recieved the same blackmail note.

Im guessing cohen is thinking of a way to defend himself, that could explain why he hasn't said anything yet.

How did cohen become L2 again? i didn't see any votes inbetween gallows unvote and now.

I suspect editing or deleting

You actually allready had your vote on him befeore that.

Nvm, didnt realise that cafarelli's quote unvoted.

I think biggs was doused during night 1 and not witched. He claimed witched to send the arsonist a message that he is a scum. Im assuming that cohen removed the douse on him during night 2 since no one has ever claimed doused. Biggs claimed witched again to confirm that his douse was removed. Biggs also waited untill after Cohen made his fake poisoner claim befeore he claimed witched during day 1,
He probably didn't know that the arsonist was going to side with the mafia untill then

Maybe morgan was doused aswell. No one claimed doused during day 3 and i doubt that the arsonist would skip his night actions.

This allmost confirms that you are a mafia together with biggs. At least we will know who to lynch next if he flips mafia.

I don't think kelso has been paying attention to this game. Or he's just another scum.

biggs could be the savage godfather and then he would survive the clubbing

m assuming that you are a delta since you are acting like one.

Is the clubber notified if his attack fails? Clubber isn't even confirmed in the setup, so we might not even have one.

I read the setup and i don't think the clubber gets a notification if he targets a savage and fails to kill it. The clubber could even have been recruited.

What is the evidence against lichtmann then? Biggs made a fake witched claim so i would say that he is a bigger suspect right now.

He waited untill like after half the first day had passed befeore he claimed that he got witched.
Did you check the first post of this day? He started defending himself befeore anyone even pushed for a lynch against him. He is full of Guilt

I could say the same thing about you defending biggs. You are just ignoring facts, The only thing litchmann has done is acting like a trolling delta.

No one has been acting like they have been blackmailed today so i suppose that phelps could be the blackmailer.
I still think we should lynch biggs today and look at phelps tomorrow.

[FM Vespasian]

If he doesn't fullfill the blackmail he is probably the Savage gf because he gets no penalty for not fullfilling it.

If he claims it and is delta another town dead. The next night and we can fake another blackmail on one of our team.
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20284-Day-4?p=323678&viewfull=1#post323678


Do you always suicide if you do not complete the task? Or does the same penalties apply as for claiming blackmailed?Yes. Anyone who is blackmailed must complete the task or face penalties. This also applies to any neutrals or even mafia.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I'd say the post seems to be something Rose would say. Albeit he would never post such a long post. Thoughts on why he would check me? Or is there another target you would like to check

[FM Spartacus]

Oh hosts....

Blackmailer
You are able send a player a message to blackmail that player to do your dirty work. The note you send must include a specific task bolded in red to complete during the day. You may not assign conditional tasks as blackmail (i.e. if you are a citizen, you must claim citizen in day chat, if you are doctor, you must claim doctor in day chat, etc.) If they do not complete your task within 2 days, they will suicide. You may only blackmail one person at a time.

The blackmailed target is not allowed to claim blackmailed, hint at it themselves, or hint that a player asking if they are blackmailed is on the right track. If all players are asked to claim blackmailed to find the blackmailed player that cannot claim blackmailed, the blackmailed player is requested to claim blackmailed so as to keep up the ruse of not being blackmailed. Blackmail will be lifted at the start of the night after you complete your task.

Claiming blackmail while blackmailed has the following penalities:
An alpha, beta, or gamma who claims blackmailed will become a delta.
A savage power role who claims blackmailed will become a savage.
A savage or delta who claims blackmailed will die.
An epsilon who claims blackmailed will become a jester.
Nothing happens to evil neutrals or a savage godfather who claims blackmailed.

Tasks can be a number of things. If you give a task that a person cannot complete due to role limitations, the player will not be required to suicide.

Examples of tasks:
-Claim false feedback during the day
-Claim a role during the day
-Say a certain phrase during the day
-Vote a certain player during the day




Contradiction much?

[FM Spartacus]

I'd say the post seems to be something Rose would say. Albeit he would never post such a long post. Thoughts on why he would check me? Or is there another target you would like to check

Instead of you, put Lichtmann in there as Delta. Otherwise it might be backtrackable to you which we don't want. Lichtmann is delta.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Oh hosts....

Blackmailer
You are able send a player a message to blackmail that player to do your dirty work. The note you send must include a specific task bolded in red to complete during the day. You may not assign conditional tasks as blackmail (i.e. if you are a citizen, you must claim citizen in day chat, if you are doctor, you must claim doctor in day chat, etc.) If they do not complete your task within 2 days, they will suicide. You may only blackmail one person at a time.

The blackmailed target is not allowed to claim blackmailed, hint at it themselves, or hint that a player asking if they are blackmailed is on the right track. If all players are asked to claim blackmailed to find the blackmailed player that cannot claim blackmailed, the blackmailed player is requested to claim blackmailed so as to keep up the ruse of not being blackmailed. Blackmail will be lifted at the start of the night after you complete your task.

Claiming blackmail while blackmailed has the following penalities:
An alpha, beta, or gamma who claims blackmailed will become a delta.
A savage power role who claims blackmailed will become a savage.
A savage or delta who claims blackmailed will die.
An epsilon who claims blackmailed will become a jester.
Nothing happens to evil neutrals or a savage godfather who claims blackmailed.

Tasks can be a number of things. If you give a task that a person cannot complete due to role limitations, the player will not be required to suicide.

Examples of tasks:
-Claim false feedback during the day
-Claim a role during the day
-Say a certain phrase during the day
-Vote a certain player during the day




Contradiction much?

That is only for claiming blackmailed while blackmailed. Ok if you are so sure of him being delta...

How do you like the touch on the journalist article? Since becket died it wont be provable.

[FM Vespasian]

Oh hosts....

Blackmailer
You are able send a player a message to blackmail that player to do your dirty work. The note you send must include a specific task bolded in red to complete during the day. You may not assign conditional tasks as blackmail (i.e. if you are a citizen, you must claim citizen in day chat, if you are doctor, you must claim doctor in day chat, etc.) If they do not complete your task within 2 days, they will suicide. You may only blackmail one person at a time.

The blackmailed target is not allowed to claim blackmailed, hint at it themselves, or hint that a player asking if they are blackmailed is on the right track. If all players are asked to claim blackmailed to find the blackmailed player that cannot claim blackmailed, the blackmailed player is requested to claim blackmailed so as to keep up the ruse of not being blackmailed. Blackmail will be lifted at the start of the night after you complete your task.

Claiming blackmail while blackmailed has the following penalities:
An alpha, beta, or gamma who claims blackmailed will become a delta.
A savage power role who claims blackmailed will become a savage.
A savage or delta who claims blackmailed will die.
An epsilon who claims blackmailed will become a jester.
Nothing happens to evil neutrals or a savage godfather who claims blackmailed.

Tasks can be a number of things. If you give a task that a person cannot complete due to role limitations, the player will not be required to suicide.

Examples of tasks:
-Claim false feedback during the day
-Claim a role during the day
-Say a certain phrase during the day
-Vote a certain player during the day




Contradiction much?

I asked about this during the day. Answer was that they have to do the task or die. Penalties listed are only for claiming blackmailed.
http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20348-Night-5?p=325172&viewfull=1#post325172

[FM Spartacus]

That is only for claiming blackmailed while blackmailed. Ok if you are so sure of him being delta...

How do you like the touch on the journalist article? Since becket died it wont be provable.

Oh i see there is a difference in claiming blackmailed while blackmailed over not fullfilling the task. uh. Ok?! Whatever...

The journalist touch is a nice idea. But Cafarelli was suggesting that a consigliere wrote that article. It kinda contradicts itself. Since at that point in gam he owuld have already known that he was the student of the real investigator. You probably should let that part out.

[FM Spartacus]

Alright thanks. I must admit i wasn't paying much attention to the blackmail mechanics so far.

[FM Vespasian]

Alright thanks. I must admit i wasn't paying much attention to the blackmail mechanics so far.

Yeah, I have been confused about this for a while too. Think i understand it now, but yeah still confusing.

[FM Vespasian]

I really need to get some sleep. Can you guys figure everything out? Or is there anything i can do before I shut down?

[FM Spartacus]

Nah it's ok. You are released! ;)