Day 3

[FM Ferengi]

Day 3

It was slow, but sure, it appeared.
With the abolition of taxes, there was only one thing certain in life.

Death.

Contradictory, isn't it?
Well, isn't that the point?

One guy figured it out, or so he thought... but no one could know the the truth, no... called himself a journalist... a Corrupt Journalist if you asked most people. Name was Becket.

May have seen him around. You won't now.

Cause he's dead.

Meanwhile, the Savages were missing. The Soma Dealers undercover as always. Were the prospects of journalism so important that only it could rule? Obviously not, this is the brave new world I made myself.

Aldous Ford took a puff of his cigar with a laugh. What a bunch of animals.

-Aldous Ford
May 17, 2013 A.F.

One article was submitted this morning to the London Times:


Yay! Im starting to feel like a celebrity!
My role is delta and i haven't recieved any notifications other then interviews.
Evil roles:
Godfather
Kidnapper (becouse there are 4 bussed claimers.)
drug dealer
Blackmailer
consort/drug dealer
consigliere
Savage godfather
Savage power role (becouse there are no savage kills yet)
Witch/arsonist
Corrupt journalist
Jester/ghost
I don't think the guy spamming is blackmailed. He is probably just a jester or ghost. Maybe he is sending the mafia a message to let them know that he wants to be lynched.
The Guy that claims to be witched could have been drugged or been faking it.
All evil neutrals(including arsonists) wins with the mafia, so the mafia would benifit if we thought there was a witch in the game.
A drug dealer could also make people believe that they are blackmailed when they actually aren't. They recieve the same message as the person who really is blackmailed. there were 4 bus driver claimers so 2 of them could be Blackmailed/drugged.
I think Cafarelli is a corrupted journalist or savage.

Graveyard:
FM Gage (Architect) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM McKelty (Delta) - Lynched by an angry mob.
FM Bishop (Detective) - Overdosed on laced Soma.
FM Becket- (Corrupt Journalist) - Overdosed on laced Soma.

Role List:
Godfather

[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
[Soma Dealer]
Savage Godfather
[Evil Neutral]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Epsilon]
[Hidden Alpha]
[Hidden Alpha]
[s][Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
[Hidden A/B/G/D]
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
[Random Any]

Anonymous Accounts:
FM Ackerman
FM Ballard
FM Becket
FM Bekowsky
FM Biggs
FM Bishop
FM Black
FM Buchwalter
FM Cafarelli
FM Carruthers
FM Chapman
FM Cohen
FM Colmyer
FM Donnelly
FM Dunn
FM Earle
FM Fontaine
FM Gage
FM Galletta
FM Galloway
FM Green
FM Hogeboom
FM Hopgood
FM Kalou
FM Kelso
FM Leary
FM Lichtmann
FM Mason
FM McKelty
FM Mendez
FM Monroe
FM Morgan
FM Parker
FM Phelps
FM Rose
FM Ryan

Night 3 begins at: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=9%3A00+pm+PST%2C+May+18th%2C+2013

17

[FM Biggs]

And... I didn't get witched! Hooray!

[FM Green]

I'm alllll good. I hope everyone had a wonderful night.

[FM Ballard]

And... I didn't get witched! Hooray!

I would assume that's because you're the Witch.

[FM Ballard]

Oh I forgot...Quack! :smile:

Night feedback: I was bus driven last night.

[FM Parker]

Should we receive a second interview? The corrupt journalist would have picked someone before they died right?

Oh and no feedback.

[FM Biggs]

I would assume that's because you're the Witch.

You could believe that, or you could not believe that.

[FM Ballard]

You could believe that, or you could not believe that.

Should I, or should I not believe that?

[FM Colmyer]

Aaaaah crap.

Good evening, gents.

The mafia just fucked up pretty bad.

I was bus driven last night. Which by the way, saved me (Without a doubt.) from being blackmailed again.

I'll post what happened ASAP.

[FM Ballard]

Aaaaah crap.

Good evening, gents.

The mafia just fucked up pretty bad.

I was bus driven last night. Which by the way, saved me (Without a doubt.) from being blackmailed again.

I'll post what happened ASAP.

Quack, you sound really sure! What makes you that doubtless? If you have a good reason, then we can safely rule out that we were swapped because I'm not blackmailed.

[FM Parker]

Quack, you sound really sure! What makes you that doubtless? If you have a good reason, then we can safely rule out that we were swapped because I'm not blackmailed.

Just a reminder, blackmailed people are not allowed to admit it.

Also, I bet the bus driver bussed him not the kidnapper. I don't think the mafia goofed at all.

[FM Kalou]

My night feedback: I was bussed.

[FM Ballard]

Just a reminder, blackmailed people are not allowed to admit it.

Also, I bet the bus driver bussed him not the kidnapper. I don't think the mafia goofed at all.

True, but if he was Town (which I think he is) and blackmailed, there would be no reason for him to mislead the Town by saying "I'm not blackmailed". Unless that was the task...but that's really retarded to use a blackmail on.

[FM Ballard]

My night feedback: I was bussed.

What do you think of Rose and Biggs?

[FM Parker]

I was referring to you and your claim not to be blackmailed Ballard. The point is rather insignificant though. All people who were bussed should be treated as having the possibility of being blackmailed. If we are a claimer short, whoever didn't claim was likely blackmailed.

[FM Parker]

Then again, there is the possibility that the mafia intended to kill Colmyer and were bussed into the corrupt journalist.

[FM Colmyer]

First of all.

I was Blackmailed on NIGHT 2. Not on Night 1.
My Roleblocked claim was legit. I am now pretty sure that was a Consort and not an Escort, as it was all planned by the Mafia.

Since I can quote it:


You have been blackmailed. Here is a note listing the blackmailer's demands: All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane (the full text of which may be found here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/24140567/Sarah-Kane-Cleansed), which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night.

Honestly, simply with the knowledge of the roleblock, plus what could have happened during the next day, I decided it was simply best for me to do my blackmail task on the first day. I wasn't really sure if they were going to hit me or not, but whatever.

Apologies for the spam by the way. I simply decided to spam the lines until someone (Thanks, Parker) finally bothered to look it up and find out what this was from. Really guys? Was that really THAT hard? I was really disapointed. Lines like ''He died of an overdose. He was an addict. No.'' that were used MULTIPLE TIMES (And that yet again, you guys didn't really bother looked into it) after people talked about the possible drug was to try and indicate that I was NOT drugged. But I guess it was too vague and nobody picked up on it.

I have very good reasons to believe that the mafia tried to blackmail me again last night. I was going to be used as their pawn.

(By the way, this is probably why Cohen was drugged (If he's town)/lied about the poison (If he's mafia) to make us wary of the possible Interceptor, probably so the Bus Driver wouldn't try and drive me.)
I also have confirmation that I was indeed Bus Driven, and not Kidnapped.

[FM Donnelly]

Just a reminder, blackmailed people are not allowed to admit it.

Also, I bet the bus driver bussed him not the kidnapper. I don't think the mafia goofed at all.

I think the "fuck up" he referred to was that the mafia killed the corrupt journalist. I wonder why they bothered with him... He barely even posted.

[FM Donnelly]

I think the "fuck up" he referred to was that the mafia killed the corrupt journalist. I wonder why they bothered with him... He barely even posted.

I'll go back through his posts and see if I can find anything we might not have picked up on before.

[FM Parker]

Colmyer, the only possibility of you being drugged was the fake blackmailer scenario. I kinda wished you hadn't posted the blackmail message because now Morgan's probably going to say his matched yours and we have no way of verifying whether he was scum.

That being said, you were not blackmailed on day 1. That means someone was and they completed their task.

So our role list is pretty near confirmed for the mafia

Godfather
Blackmailer
Consigliere (The mafia should have hit a delta by now, if playing by chance)
Consort
Drug Dealer
Kidnapper

My two blackmail theory is out the window but I'd rather have a fellow town be active than be right.



Your message also reveals what I had suspected. The mafia is familiar with English vulgar plays which narrows down the COMs on one of our suspects dramatically.



What if the mafia NEVER INTENDED to hit Becket? He was contributing towards the end of the night. However, it wouldn't be unrealistic to assume that the bus driver swapped Colmyer for a lurker.

[FM Ballard]

Quack! Hmm...I looked up the play after Colmyer's post, and my guess is that the blackmailer seems to be a literary buff, possibly English. I'll probably go back and look for posts with British spellings that give a vibe of well-read. (Control F: "our")

I'm heading off to bed for the night. I'll be up in the morning to read and post before school.

[FM Donnelly]

Well, I looked through his posts. I couldn't find much. He only FoSed two people.
Cohen (Day 2, post #888) and Cafarelli (Day 2, post# 888). Otherwise he just encouraged us to lynch more. I'm not sure why the mafia would feel threatened unless Cohen and/or Cafarelli are mafia. Otherwise it seems random. Maybe they thought Becket was a PR who was lurking to avoid attention. Or he could've been bussed with their intended kill target (Colmyer?) although you'd think they would have expected Colmyer to have some kind of protection after being blackmailed. Biggs wasn't witched last night, so I guess it's also possible the witch found the godfather last night. Hmm...

I guess we'll have to wait and see if anyone claims witched. If not, then it's safe to assume it was the witch's doing.

[FM Donnelly]

Dammit, they turned to smilies. Fixed.


Well, I looked through his posts. I couldn't find much. He only FoSed two people.
Cohen (Day 2, post #888 ) and Cafarelli (Day 2, post# 888 ). Otherwise he just encouraged us to lynch more. I'm not sure why the mafia would feel threatened unless Cohen and/or Cafarelli are mafia. Otherwise it seems random. Maybe they thought Becket was a PR who was lurking to avoid attention. Or he could've been bussed with their intended kill target (Colmyer?) although you'd think they would have expected Colmyer to have some kind of protection after being blackmailed. Biggs wasn't witched last night, so I guess it's also possible the witch found the godfather last night. Hmm...

I guess we'll have to wait and see if anyone claims witched. If not, then it's safe to assume it was the witch's doing.

[FM Donnelly]

I think I'm out for the night. Tomorrow once we have all the feedback claims hopefully we can figure things out. Good night.

[FM Parker]

@Donnelly, the bus driver visited Colmyer. The only question is whether the mafia wanted to kill him or not.

Theory: There is a mafia who is possibly English. I think that would make Galetta a worthy pressure target. On day 1 she complained about someone butchering the English language, corrected the host's grammar on "sexytimes" versus "sexy times" and used the phrase "deary". Not strong evidence in and of itself. Her behavior was also suspicious. She was active on pushing the lynch on McKelty. Then, she vanishes into thin air.

I think think Cafarelli is scum, but given she's an "outed invest [don't know what faction]" we can at least force her to divulge her leads daily. If she says someone is in the wrong pairing, we lynch her. If she's town, we lynch the guy who lied. I still think there is a possibility of Cafarelli being a savage but we'll see on that front. It's less likely but not impossible.

FM Galletta Pressure vote

[FM Parker]

Seems like I'm the only one here. So I'm off to bed. See you tomorrow.

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:
Godfather

killed Becket

Bus Driver / Kidnapper

bussed Ballard
bussed Colmyer
bussed Kalou

Journalist / Corrupted Journalist

interviewd unknown



Notable Posts:

Buchwalter

Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=318167&viewfull=1#post318167)
Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320823&viewfull=1#post320823)



Lynch Trains:

None

N/A



I will be back later when i have more time.

[FM Rose]

0. Soma is used
1. Devourer jails
2. Jailor jails
3. Journalist / corrupt journalist approaches target for an interview
4. Night groups get together to talk (including architect and mafia architect)
5. People put on vests
6. Veteran goes on alert
7. Spree Killer traps target
8. Interceptor traps target
9. Witch manipulation
10. Escort / Consort blocks
11. Kidnapping
12. Bus Driving
13. Lookout moves to target / Detective follows target (can see 7-12)
14. Framing (can affect 13)
15. Investigations (consigliere, investigator, sheriff)
16. Bodyguard moves to target
17. Poisoning
18. Mason Enforcing
19. Savage Godfather Recruits
20. All Kills (-1)
21. Heals (+1)
22. Autopsies
23. Cleaning / Disguising
24. Jester visit
25. Drugs take effect
26. Blackmailer visits
27. Give items
28. Mason Clubbing
29. Amnesiac remembers his role / Journalist publishes article
30. Student picks mentor
31. Graverobber
32. Jailor / Devourer executes / releases victim
33. Arsonist Douses
34. Ghost posession
35. Soma is given
36. Jester /player suicides

The corrupted journalist wasn't able to post his article befeore he died.

[FM Leary]

Another day where nothing happened to me. Gonna post more on the state of the game later today.

[FM Black]

Well you can add me to the list as role blocked, not like I was going to receive any feedback last anyways.

[FM Black]

I don't lie the fact that I targeted Becket and so does GF

[FM Black]

Like*

[FM Buchwalter]

I don't like the fact that I targeted Becket and so does GF

Did you just claim to be a PR?

[FM Buchwalter]

Well you can add me to the list as role blocked, not like I was going to receive any feedback last anyways.

Added to my list, I will post it once we are a few pages further in.

[FM Buchwalter]

Well you can add me to the list as role blocked, not like I was going to receive any feedback last anyways.


I don't like the fact that I targeted Becket and so does GF

I'm sorry but, you say you visited Becket the same night you are role-blocked? So you did not visit him? or you did?

[FM Buchwalter]

Not trying to tell you to claim a role. But that there was a pretty big slip that could just have outed you as a PR.

[FM Hogeboom]

Hello guys, nothing happened to me last night.

Weird that FM Black would out himself as a TPR so easily, I wonder what he is trying to accomplish.

[FM Hopgood]

Scum slip
FM Black

[FM Hopgood]

Nothing happened to me last night again

[FM Buchwalter]

Scum slip
FM Black

Not sure it is a scum slip. Chance of the Mafia screwing up so much that they target the same person they kill? I do not think they would be that stupid.

[FM Black]

So claiming that I'm a PR that attempted to target Becket is a scum slip huh? Guess there plenty if scum slips I missed then

[FM Mason]

Whoa now. Black is very defensive all the sudden. That's a scum slip right there

[FM Black]

Nope, just getting the facts straight. Someone also added that claimed TPR. Did I ever say I was town?

[FM Black]

I'm sorry but, you say you visited Becket the same night you are role-blocked? So you did not visit him? or you did?

I claimed to target Becket. But in the end I was role blocked

[FM Buchwalter]

Nope, just getting the facts straight. Someone also added that claimed TPR. Did I ever say I was town?

Not sure this really helps your case. But I do not have an sure opinion about you just yet.

You should at the very least choose your next words carefully.

[FM Cafarelli]

here we go, with further evidence against cohen.
he is a Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student
i checked him tonight (thanks noobs, for making me waste a night action on confirmed scum)

drug dealer is the most likely. because he drug dealed me n1, thinks i wouldnt know it and then claims drug dealed self. drug dealer claiming drug dealed, to clear himself from all accusations
kidnapper is possible too. i'm sure he's scum

blacksmith, i dont think we have one. nor vigi or vet. we would know by now i think.

arsonist is possible, any random might be a neutral killing.
witch is the second likely, possibly he tried to tell scum that he's witch by his lie


anyway, the fact that i'm still alive cleans me from being cult anyway. parker i really dont understand why you are so stupid, illogical and narrowminded (sry) and still think i could be maf or something when i try to get a mafia member lynched

colmyer i also dont really understand you, you acted like a dumbass last day tbh
1) the mafia would NEVER kill you when you still had to complete your task. that would be a TOTAL waste of a night kill. i dont get why you didnt see that bluff
2) what makes you think you're more important than any other guy
3) additionally you just gived them 2 more blackmails (with dd)
i hope today's blackmailed guy is not so dumb

FM Cohen
btw have you noticed his avatar tries to suggest he's as innocent as sheeps? lol, scum much
recommendation: vote at L-1 ASAP and lynch before day ends

[FM Green]

here we go, with further evidence against cohen.
he is a Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student
i checked him tonight (thanks noobs, for making me waste a night action on confirmed scum)

drug dealer is the most likely. because he drug dealed me n1, thinks i wouldnt know it and then claims drug dealed self. drug dealer claiming drug dealed, to clear himself from all accusations
kidnapper is possible too. i'm sure he's scum

blacksmith, i dont think we have one. nor vigi or vet. we would know by now i think.

arsonist is possible, any random might be a neutral killing.
witch is the second likely, possibly he tried to tell scum that he's witch by his lie


anyway, the fact that i'm still alive cleans me from being cult anyway. parker i really dont understand why you are so stupid, illogical and narrowminded (sry) and still think i could be maf or something when i try to get a mafia member lynched

colmyer i also dont really understand you, you acted like a dumbass last day tbh
1) the mafia would NEVER kill you when you still had to complete your task. that would be a TOTAL waste of a night kill. i dont get why you didnt see that bluff
2) what makes you think you're more important than any other guy
3) additionally you just gived them 2 more blackmails (with dd)
i hope today's blackmailed guy is not so dumb

FM Cohen
btw have you noticed his avatar tries to suggest he's as innocent as sheeps? lol, scum much
recommendation: vote at L-1 ASAP and lynch before day ends

Did Cohen claim at all? Or just defending himself?

FM Cohen

[FM Leary]

i'm in on the pressure vote, until proven wrong or we get a more clear cut lead on someone else.
FM Cohen

[FM Lichtmann]

CHOOO CHOOO ALL ABOARD THE CHOEN TRAIN


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtv8ZiG3Aww

also nothing happened to me last night

FM Cohen

[FM Earle]

Earle arrives!

Mafia is killing inactive players. I will start contributing more so that my name will not show up in their list.

[FM Earle]

Think of vote count, think of Earl.

FM Galletta (1 [L-16]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9305)
FM Parker (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321752)
FM Black (1 [L-16]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9293)
FM Hopgood (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321787)
FM Cohen (4 [L-13]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9298)
FM Cafarelli (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321805), FM Green (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321807), FM Leary (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321809), FM Lichtmann (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321810)

[FM Ballard]

anyway, the fact that i'm still alive cleans me from being cult anyway. parker i really dont understand why you are so stupid, illogical and narrowminded (sry) and still think i could be maf or something when i try to get a mafia member lynched

I don't see how it clears you from that? Looking at the graveyard...all of the Cult is still alive. Your second point is valid, but I don't see how your first point is. That being said, I believe you are Town.

choo choo!
FM Cohen

[FM Phelps]

Nothing happened to me last night. I am not so sure what i should think about FM Cafarelli's information. He doesn't really hit me as Drug Dealer or Kidnapper. He was drawing way too much attention on himself. Why would a mafia fake claim poisoned day 1? It's more likely that he was drugged.

Arsonists leave feedback in this setup and no one ever claimed to have been doused.

Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante are more likely. Especially with his activity so far.

I still think you are executioner FM Cafarelli sorry. I won't join that train.

[FM Colmyer]

here we go, with further evidence against cohen.
he is a Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student
i checked him tonight (thanks noobs, for making me waste a night action on confirmed scum)

drug dealer is the most likely. because he drug dealed me n1, thinks i wouldnt know it and then claims drug dealed self. drug dealer claiming drug dealed, to clear himself from all accusations
kidnapper is possible too. i'm sure he's scum

blacksmith, i dont think we have one. nor vigi or vet. we would know by now i think.

arsonist is possible, any random might be a neutral killing.
witch is the second likely, possibly he tried to tell scum that he's witch by his lie


anyway, the fact that i'm still alive cleans me from being cult anyway. parker i really dont understand why you are so stupid, illogical and narrowminded (sry) and still think i could be maf or something when i try to get a mafia member lynched

colmyer i also dont really understand you, you acted like a dumbass last day tbh
1) the mafia would NEVER kill you when you still had to complete your task. that would be a TOTAL waste of a night kill. i dont get why you didnt see that bluff
2) what makes you think you're more important than any other guy
3) additionally you just gived them 2 more blackmails (with dd)
i hope today's blackmailed guy is not so dumb

FM Cohen
btw have you noticed his avatar tries to suggest he's as innocent as sheeps? lol, scum much
recommendation: vote at L-1 ASAP and lynch before day ends

See, before calling me a dumbass, Cafarelli, you should probably read this.
I made a mistake. I misunderstood the Blackmailer's role card, and I didn't realize that I couldn't claim I was previously blackmailed if I am currently blackmailed. This means that chances are I will suicide tonight.

Yes, I am currently blackmailed again. But this blackmail wasn't aimed at me.
Our Bus Driver played his cards right and it paid off. Even if this ends up with my suicide, he completely foiled the mafia's plan.


You have been blackmailed. Here is a note listing the blackmailer's demands:

In at least every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Colmyer without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If there is no posts fosing or lynchvoting FM Colmyer, post analysis on why you think FM Colmyer is town. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night.
(This is irrefutable proof that the Mafia wasn't going to hit me, doh.)
FM Cohen

I was with you on Day 2. It really is a shame I couldn't say anything about it.

I also have some more information about something else that happened to me. It will not be revealed unless necessary. :)

[FM Cafarelli]

I don't see how it clears you from that? Looking at the graveyard...all of the Cult is still alive. Your second point is valid, but I don't see how your first point is. That being said, I believe you are Town.

choo choo!
FM Cohen
because the masons probably visited me


Nothing happened to me last night. I am not so sure what i should think about FM Cafarelli's information. He doesn't really hit me as Drug Dealer or Kidnapper. He was drawing way too much attention on himself. Why would a mafia fake claim poisoned day 1? It's more likely that he was drugged.

Arsonists leave feedback in this setup and no one ever claimed to have been doused.

Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante are more likely. Especially with his activity so far.

I still think you are executioner FM Cafarelli sorry. I won't join that train.

a blacksmith/bus driver/vigi drawing so much attention, really?
ok you're right about the arso, there would have been doused claims by now. so is there even a neutral killer now?
why did he do this? to look like a townie. it's not possible that he was drugged because there are no 2 dds

if i was executioner, how would i know that i was drugged n1 and how would i know what rose is?

btw i fucked up in my last post witch is not in the list, it's ghost lol. i can exclude ghost anyway, because he really tries hard to get not lynched

[FM Colmyer]

The Mafia wanted to make me their pawn.

I hate you guys.

Also, my guess as to why they killed Becket? Probably was investigated by a Consigliere.
Disguiser / Poisoner / Detective (Savage) / Journalist (Savage) / Lookout (Savage) / Corrupt Journalist

[FM Earle]

FM Cafarelli

Sorry but Cohen is more trustworthy.

1. Why would Drug Dealer claim drugged?
2. Why would Drug Dealer use no feedback drug?
3. Why would Cohen draw attention to himself when he is not immune to detection?
4. Why can't Cohen be framed?
5. Rose may claim Delta but are you even an Investigator?
6. Cafarelli might be Executioner.
7. Cafarelli is trying to avoid attention during Day 1.
8. Why are you still alive?
9. Suggestion of Arsonist is stupid.
10. Why can't you be cult?
11. Why can't you be Drug Dealer who got investigation results of Rose from Consigliere?
12. Why is your avatar a Vigilante?
13. We can still have Blacksmith.
14. Why do you want blackmailed to die because of blackmail?
15. How can you be sure Cohen is scum when you are not Sheriff?
16. Why do you call Parker dumb?
17. Why are you tunneling on Cohen?
18. Why L-1 ASAP?
19. Why can't Cohen be Student?
20. Why should I even be trusting you?

[FM Kelso]

Hey, I was roleblocked last night.

I feel like Cafarelli could be an executioner too...
But Cohen is a legit target right now until he defend himself.

FM Cohen

[FM Colmyer]

FM Cafarelli

Sorry but Cohen is more trustworthy.

1. Why would Drug Dealer claim drugged?
2. Why would Drug Dealer use no feedback drug?
3. Why would Cohen draw attention to himself when he is not immune to detection?
4. Why can't Cohen be framed?
5. Rose may claim Delta but are you even an Investigator?
6. Cafarelli might be Executioner.
7. Cafarelli is trying to avoid attention during Day 1.
8. Why are you still alive?
9. Suggestion of Arsonist is stupid.
10. Why can't you be cult?
11. Why can't you be Drug Dealer who got investigation results of Rose from Consigliere?
12. Why is your avatar a Vigilante?
13. We can still have Blacksmith.
14. Why do you want blackmailed to die because of blackmail?
15. How can you be sure Cohen is scum when you are not Sheriff?
16. Why do you call Parker dumb?
17. Why are you tunneling on Cohen?
18. Why L-1 ASAP?
19. Why can't Cohen be Student?
20. Why should I even be trusting you?

Hello, scum.

[FM Earle]

The Mafia wanted to make me their pawn.

I hate you guys.

Also, my guess as to why they killed Becket? Probably was investigated by a Consigliere.
Disguiser / Poisoner / Detective (Savage) / Journalist (Savage) / Lookout (Savage) / Corrupt Journalist

1. Why would Mafia even bother investigating inactive Becket?
2. Why are you posting so much unlike Morgan on Day2?
3. Why are you breaking blackmail rules?
4. Are you a useful pawn?
5. Why are you still alive?

[FM Phelps]

because the masons probably visited me



a blacksmith/bus driver/vigi drawing so much attention, really?
ok you're right about the arso, there would have been doused claims by now. so is there even a neutral killer now?
why did he do this? to look like a townie. it's not possible that he was drugged because there are no 2 dds

if i was executioner, how would i know that i was drugged n1 and how would i know what rose is?

btw i fucked up in my last post witch is not in the list, it's ghost lol. i can exclude ghost anyway, because he really tries hard to get not lynched

Your feedback claim could be a lie. But you don't hit me as someone who does gambits. You are more the kind of girl who plays out of the belly it seems. I am not sure though. Ghost makes the most sense out of all the roles with his behaviour.

[FM Hogeboom]

See, before calling me a dumbass, Cafarelli, you should probably read this.
I made a mistake. I misunderstood the Blackmailer's role card, and I didn't realize that I couldn't claim I was previously blackmailed if I am currently blackmailed. This means that chances are I will suicide tonight.

Well, looking at the rolecard, you will only suicide if you do not complete the task and since you revealed to be blackmailed you will only die if you are a Savage or Delta so.. guess we will know tomorrow?

[FM Phelps]

Maybe he is lucky and it was drugged.

[FM Earle]

Hey, I was roleblocked last night.

I feel like Cafarelli could be an executioner too...
But Cohen is a legit target right now until he defend himself.

FM Cohen

1. Are you the Arsonist?
2. Or are you Epsilon?
3. Why are you voting Cohen?
4. Do you think you are being roleblocked by Escort or Consort?
5. What if Cohen is a Student?

[FM Hogeboom]

The Mafia wanted to make me their pawn.

I hate you guys.

Also, my guess as to why they killed Becket? Probably was investigated by a Consigliere.
Disguiser / Poisoner / Detective (Savage) / Journalist (Savage) / Lookout (Savage) / Corrupt Journalist

Is this feedback you received from the Bus Driving?

[FM Colmyer]

1. Why would Mafia even bother investigating inactive Becket?
2. Why are you posting so much unlike Morgan on Day2?
3. Why are you breaking blackmail rules?
4. Are you a useful pawn?
5. Why are you still alive?

1. We had a Night 1. People were investigated/blocked/whatever with the only indication of who they were being their names.
2. How does this have anything to do with Morgan?
3. I misread the rolecard and I didn't know I couldn't claim previous blackmails. It's a 50/50 gamble at this point.
4. No, and I don't want to be. Bus Driver saved me from that.
5. Because the mafia wanted to make me their pawn.

[FM Colmyer]

Is this feedback you received from the Bus Driving?

I will not give any information about it for now. I have no reason to.

[FM Colmyer]

Well, looking at the rolecard, you will only suicide if you do not complete the task and since you revealed to be blackmailed you will only die if you are a Savage or Delta so.. guess we will know tomorrow?

I am a Delta.

[FM Phelps]

Nope that's the investigative pairing of the Corrupt Journalist who died last night.

Well at least the Coroner has a good target for tonight. I am really curious who that guy interviewed. If he was the one who interviewed the second guy from yesterday. we might find the consigliere.

[FM Parker]

Regarding Cohen - It actually would not surprise me if Cohen is a student. Maybe my reasoning is egocentric but Cohen's behavior yesterday was off. The first day, he acts like a pretty normal townie. That makes sense for a student. If you pick your mentor, you are most likely to pick the town. Then on day 2, his attitude totally changes. The problem is, I'm concerned he picked Jester.

That being said, Phelps is right. Carafelli could be exe/consig as well. Savage is less likely if the masons did their job.

@Colmyer, this should have been handled with PMs to the host. It makes sense that you would have been able to reveal a previous blackmail if the mafia kept blackmailing you.

That being said, the mafia is completely willing to play with the lynch trains.



Earle, any player can post the vote count. We don't need it posted because we can see it.

Buckwalter, please post any thoughts and questions you may have. I am beginning to see you as a semi-active lurker. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Cohen, PLEASE reveal all that has happened to you. Please.



So we have an Englishman who is willing to manipulate lynches. This is interesting. I'm beginning to think the mafia were behind the lynch on Monroe but couldn't pull it off. Blackmail Monroe to claim Mayor (or maybe they just got lucky here) and try to mislynch him due to the previous mislynch on McKelty.

[FM Parker]

Err Colmyer, you should reveal all that happened to you too. The above post was a mistake referring to Colmyer withholding.

[FM Phelps]

I am a Delta.

Then i really hope it was a drug. You are one of the more valuable town players in this game and it really would make me sad to lose you. =(

[FM Parker]

I will not give any information about it for now. I have no reason to.

If not now, then when? The mods could kill you at any time.

[FM Hogeboom]

I wonder what Colmyer is trying to accomplish, I mean he went against the rules of the Blackmail already, why not just go the full 100% then? Do you expect mercy from the host or something?

[FM Earle]

Earle, any player can post the vote count. We don't need it posted because we can see it.


FM Galletta (1 [L-16]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9305)
FM Parker (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321752)
FM Black (1 [L-16]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9293)
FM Hopgood (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321787)
FM Cohen (7 [L-10]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9298)
FM Cafarelli (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321805), FM Green (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321807), FM Leary (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321809), FM Lichtmann (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321810), FM Ballard (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321814), FM Colmyer (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321819), FM Kelso (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321823)
FM Cafarelli (1 [L-16]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9295)
FM Earle (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321822)

[FM Buchwalter]

Buckwalter, please post any thoughts and questions you may have. I am beginning to see you as a semi-active lurker. Please correct me if I am wrong.

A little busy at the moment. I will be more active later.

@Colmyer:
I'm pretty sure we asked the host that question on day 2. And as far as I remember, you were allowed to claim that you had been blackmailed the day before, as long as you did not reveal the new blackmail.

Just to be sure:
Are you allowed to claim previously blackmailed if currently under a new blackmailed? As I understand it you just are not allowed to reveal your current blackmail.

[FM Parker]

@Buchwalter, This response by players in the game had not typically resulted in an increase in activity.

Let's see something. I like vote count.

@Colmyer/Earle, Cafarelli is not completely cleared. That being said, Carafelli has uses. If you do think he's town, a small amount of FoS would contribute to keeping him alive as scum would think they'd have an alternative suspect. He may be scum, but the minute he gives us a bad lead... we know we can lynch him. So we use him for now.

[FM Colmyer]

''The blackmailed target is not allowed to claim blackmailed, hint at it themselves, or hint that a player asking if they are blackmailed is on the right track''

Nowhere does it say that you CAN claim your previous blackmails if you currently are.
I already discussed with the host about it.

And said information will be kept. It's not something that you guys can use right now anyway.

[FM Colmyer]

If not now, then when? The mods could kill you at any time.

Player suicide is at the end of the OoO.
I should die during the night.

[FM Black]

I've been against Cohen the whole time. And hey why not, seems people are now suspicious of me.
FM Cohen

[FM Parker]

Colmyer, I cannot see a scenario where you're withholding information helps us unless you intend to post it right at the end of the day (when no one can use it). You won't be alive tomorrow and there's no certainty of a coroner in the game. Please help me out here.

[FM Earle]

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320563#post320563

Yes, the target of blackmail can reveal that he was blackmailed after being released from blackmail without receiving a penalty. They are not notified if the status is lifted.

FM Colmyer

His blackmail note is fake. Mafia would have demanded Colmyer and Morgan to be the highest poster.

[FM Buchwalter]

Let me start out with this I guess.

Cafarelli has still done nothing to be confirmed as Town Investigator.
Everything he has given or told us is so far:

Claims to have been feedback prevented night 1.
Claims to have checked Rose night 2, Rose appear as "Mafia Godfather / Savage Godfather / Mayor / Delta / Jester / Survivor".
Claims to have chacked Cohen night 3, Cohan appear as "Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student".

Anyone else see a theme here? We still only have Cafarelli's word.
I may have missed it on day 2, but I never saw Rose confirm that the investigative pairing was correct.
A lot of you guys also think that it is unlikely that a Drug Dealer would use feedback prevention on a random target.

Cohen on the other hand:

Claims poisoned day 1.
Was very active during day 1.
Does not know why he did not die from poison.
Has not claimed anything other then poisoned day 1.
Has still not role claimed.


So far I can not believe Cafarelli blindly, I at least want to hear what Cohen has to say before i decide on anything.

[FM Colmyer]

I wasn't notified of my Blackmail being lifted yet I received a new Blackmail note.

We're not talking about the same situation, Earle. This situation doesn't take into account that the target was blackmailed again.

[FM Phelps]

I wasn't notified of my Blackmail being lifted yet I received a new Blackmail note.

We're not talking about the same situation, Earle. This situation doesn't take into account that the target was blackmailed again.

I checked the feedback messages. There is no feedback message for a fullfilled or not fullfilled blackmail.

[FM Carruthers]

Greetings, I've come to the early start of a day so that's fortunate.

If you've received a new blackmail note, isn't it a contradictory to reveal if you're a Delta? It's going to make you commit suicide.

[FM Phelps]

Greetings, I've come to the early start of a day so that's fortunate.

If you've received a new blackmail note, isn't it a contradictory to reveal if you're a Delta? It's going to make you commit suicide.

Hi Mr. Filler!

[FM Colmyer]

Greetings, I've come to the early start of a day so that's fortunate.

If you've received a new blackmail note, isn't it a contradictory to reveal if you're a Delta? It's going to make you commit suicide.

Take the time to read the 85 posts before posting next time, thanks.

[FM Colmyer]

I wasn't notified of my Blackmail being lifted yet I received a new Blackmail note.

We're not talking about the same situation, Earle. This situation doesn't take into account that the target was blackmailed again.

Misread his sentence. Point #2 is still valid. And he knows it.

[FM Monroe]

And can you feel the love tonight
It is where we are
It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
That we got this far
[/quote]he/a/ds[quote]

[FM Black]

I'm curious why conger is reveal his blackmail, thus letting himself suicide. Why is this benifital for town?

As for Earle's sudden fear if mafia killing inactive players as an excuse to become active seems quite funny.

[FM Monroe]

Cafarelli makes a strong case now. All aboard the train!

Let's hear what he claims. I'm sure it'll give us hours of entertainment.

-vote FM Cohen

[FM Black]

And can you feel the love tonight
It is where we are
It's enough for this wide-eyed wanderer
That we got this far
he/a/ds


Blackmail claim?

[FM Colmyer]

I'm curious why conger is reveal his blackmail, thus letting himself suicide. Why is this benifital for town?

As for Earle's sudden fear if mafia killing inactive players as an excuse to become active seems quite funny.

I made a mistake. Being currently blackmailed, I wasn't supposed to reveal my past blackmail, apparently.
All we can is hope this blackmail is a drug, and that the person who got bussed with me has the real blackmail.

Wish I knew what they tried to make me say though.

[FM Earle]

he/a/ds

Blackmail claim?

Devoured claim.

[FM Monroe]

he/a/ds

Blackmail claim?

No comment!

You owe me 50 bucks, beautiful.

[FM Buchwalter]

I made a mistake. Being currently blackmailed, I wasn't supposed to reveal my past blackmail, apparently.
All we can is hope this blackmail is a drug, and that the person who got bussed with me has the real blackmail.

Wish I knew what they tried to make me say though.

So because you maybe broke an egg, you decided to just toss all the eggs on the floor?

[FM Monroe]

Devoured claim.

You were devoured?

[FM Buchwalter]

I made a mistake. Being currently blackmailed, I wasn't supposed to reveal my past blackmail, apparently.
All we can is hope this blackmail is a drug, and that the person who got bussed with me has the real blackmail.

Wish I knew what they tried to make me say though.

So because you maybe broke an egg, you decided to just toss all the eggs on the floor?

I mean before you checked if the first egg was even broken or not.

[FM Monroe]

Can Blackmailer make someone claim Blackmailed?

[FM Earle]

FM Cafarelli

Bye bye Colmyer.

[FM Buchwalter]

Can Blackmailer make someone claim Blackmailed?

That is clearly answered in the role card or FAQ. I remember reading it somewhere.

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:
Godfather

killed Becket

Blackmailer

blackmailed Colmyer

Escort / Consort

blocked Black
blocked Kelso

Bus Driver / Kidnapper

bussed Ballard
bussed Colmyer
bussed Kalou

Journalist / Corrupted Journalist

interviewd unknown



Notable Posts:

Black

Claims role-blocked, but then talks about having visited Becket? [#30] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321768&viewfull=1#post321768) [#31] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321770&viewfull=1#post321770)

Buchwalter

Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=318167&viewfull=1#post318167)
Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320823&viewfull=1#post320823)

Cafarelli

As semi-confirmed Investigator, calls out to lynch Cohen. [#46] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321805&viewfull=1#post321805)

Colmyer

Claims blackmailed, with message and all. [#54] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321819&viewfull=1#post321819)
Claims Delta. [#68] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321833&viewfull=1#post321833)



Lynch Trains:

Cohen

Been checked by Cafarelli (claimed Investigator), and appear as "Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student" [#46] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321805&viewfull=1#post321805)

[FM Colmyer]

Yes.
Since I had already made the mistake, why wouldn't I reveal the blackmail message that I got?

[FM Monroe]

What's the answer then? I can't remember it. Then again I took hours and hours to study the FAQ, so I couldn't possibly have missed it.

I'm dedicated like that.

[FM Monroe]

Yes.
Since I had already made the mistake, why wouldn't I reveal the blackmail message that I got?
I can't see exactly why you think the mafia wouldn't just blackmail you again. Care to explain?

[FM Hogeboom]

Alright I'm up for pushing Cohen some more.

Cohen

[FM Monroe]

Alright I'm up for pushing Cohen some more.

Cohen

Even more fake votes haha.

[FM Hogeboom]

Even more fake votes haha.

Oopsie.

FM Cohen

[FM Colmyer]

I can't see exactly why you think the mafia wouldn't just blackmail you again. Care to explain?

Have you forgotten? They tried, but I was bussed. And I just happened to be bussed with the other person getting the other Blackmail/Drug.

[FM Earle]

None of your shenanigans escape Earle.

FM Galletta (1 [L-16]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9305)
FM Parker (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321752)
FM Black (1 [L-16]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9293)
FM Hopgood (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321787)
FM Cohen (9 [L-8]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9298)
FM Cafarelli (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321805), FM Green (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321807), FM Leary (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321809), FM Lichtmann (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321810), FM Ballard (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321814), FM Colmyer (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321819), FM Kelso (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321823), FM Black (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321851), FM Hogeboom (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321890)
FM Cafarelli (1 [L-16]): (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9295)
FM Earle (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=321881)

[FM Green]

Just an FYI it would probably be best not to hammer Cohen (8 votes left) until he comes on and says some sort of defense.

[FM Colmyer]

Just an FYI it would probably be best not to hammer Cohen (8 votes left) until he comes on and says some sort of defense.

Thank you for this very helpful reply. Anything else you want to share with the town?

[FM Green]

Thank you for this very helpful reply. Anything else you want to share with the town?

Haha fuck off.

[FM Earle]

Haha fuck off.

You might die tonight if you do not post enough.

[FM Mason]

Just an FYI it would probably be best not to hammer Cohen (8 votes left) until he comes on and says some sort of defense.

I can make my own decisions! I'm a big girl.
FM Cohen

[FM Green]

I've got nothing to contribute, I'm trying to contribute some how. I have no clue what else to say and I don't want to be inactive. I can't just spew around accusations either. So...

[FM Green]

You might die tonight if you do not post enough.

I'm aware of that. The only thing I have to contribute is the fact that I have nothing to contribute as of right now.

[FM Colmyer]

I've got nothing to contribute, I'm trying to contribute some how. I have no clue what else to say and I don't want to be inactive. I can't just spew around accusations either. So...

Give me your reads on FM Cohen and FM Cafarelli.
Do a in depth analysis if you can, including D1 and D2 posts.

Show us what you can do. :)

[FM Mason]

Give me your reads on FM Cohen and FM Cafarelli.
Do a in depth analysis if you can, including D1 and D2 posts.

Show us what you can do. :)

The pressure is on. This is your fm defining moment , green. If you fail this you will forever be labeled as a loser

[FM Earle]

[Hidden Alpha] Mason
[Hidden Alpha] Mason Enforcer
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Beta]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden Gamma]
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
[Hidden A/B/G/D] Mason Clubber
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta
Delta


Town list.

[FM Earle]

I won't be posting tomorrow. Busy with real life.

Earle, out.

[FM Hogeboom]

I won't be posting tomorrow. Busy with real life.

Earle, out.

Are you me?

[FM Hopgood]

Town list.

Dude! Why did you reveal that there are 11 of us -.-

[FM Green]

Give me your reads on FM Cohen and FM Cafarelli.
Do a in depth analysis if you can, including D1 and D2 posts.

Show us what you can do. :)

FM Cafarelli
Day 1 post #24 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317130&viewfull=1#post317130)
-He says "i affect the speed of betas but the speed of betas affects me". How does investigator affect the speed of betas? And vice versa?
-Then he says "btw, did you understand the RP of last night? i didnt. is it at all about WWII now?" Pretty much everyone ignored his post. Not sure if trolling or what. Most likely trolling.


Day 1 post #78 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317219&viewfull=1#post317219)
-"many people make hints about their roles^^ like me though noone will figure it out anyway" Okay so you currently are claiming investigator but you say that no one will guess your role based on that you can affect the speed of betas and vice versa. I don't get that


.


Day 2 post #137 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=319787&viewfull=1#post319787)
-He FoS against Cohen but only says because hes a liar. Doesn't give a reason to why he thinks hes a liar.

Day 2 post #251 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=319967&viewfull=1#post319967)
-Thinks he was drugged n1
-Claims investigator (dunno why a PR would out himself day 2 just to get one person lynched who, could very well not be what he says)

Day 2 post #265 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=319983&viewfull=1#post319983)
-Says he "really was drug dealed, if not me who else?"

Day 2 post #798 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320843&viewfull=1#post320843)
-Says "and rose is most likely citizen, i checked him guys" .... Okay, so you had 2 nights to check someone and you said you get 2 feedbacks when you didnt get feedback n1? Just like Lichtmann says in post #800 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320847&viewfull=1#post320847).

Day 2 post #809 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320856&viewfull=1#post320856)
-Wonders why Colmyer is asking for a doctor... even though he is obviously BMd.



I'll post my Cohen read in a bit.

[FM Green]

Sorry if my format is crap, I threw it together fairly fast.

[FM Green]

Also, is there a night chat? If not why did Caf. refer to it a couple times? Trolling?

[FM Galloway]

Good morning.

Earle is fake contributing and scum. Each of his posts have been reiteration or posting information we can already see. He attempted to emulate Buch for some unknown reason and now he leaves after randomly saying that the mafia are only killing inactive players and he doesn't want to die. Where in any possible reality is any of this not a scum tell?


As for Cohen.
It has become very obvious that he has attempted a couple of failed gambits on the first two days. He has a hesitance to reveal his role despite being largely pressured. He claimed to be a dead man walking on day one with the posion and gave out any and all notifications he had gotten and just about everything odd that he saw. Additionally to this he has been a fairly active player but has been put on the defensive and in a bad position with the insistance of death coming from Cafarelli on both of these last two days. In the eyes of Cafa, cohen is auto scum with no possibility of being anything else. Cohen has been missing in action for the latter end of day two and the opening of day three and yet his pressure has been steadily increasing and cafa attempts to get us to put him at L-1 instantly and lynch before the day closes.



Cafarelli
Claimed Investiagter after being some what inactive on day one and comes out with a large and useless lw that gives her thoughts and reads and feedbacks and a code to confirm whomever gets the lw. She also claims to have targeted rose with the godfathers feedbacks and notes some suspision on rose before moving on to hardcore push lynch on cohen by suggesting that he lied due to her getting a drug preventing feedbacks. Cafarelli tries to put the lynch on Cohen in everyones attention solely. The issues that are not being discussed here are that Cafarelli gets no feedback drug, assuming she is telling the truth, and sees that Cohen claimed posioned. Instead of checking him with the information she has to push her to check him, she checks someone else who posted very little in favor of an original fos that she pushes on the next day, despite the rose check being one that supports all that rose has shown us in the days previously. Today she has chosen to check Cohen, again assuming this is true, and pushes on his lynch again by painting him as a drug dealer. She suggests putting him at L-1 immediately and then lynching before the day is out. She ignores any possible bussing feedback or the mafia possibly framing Cohen. Instead of erring on the side of caution to not cause mislynches she pushes for Cohen's lynch without the slightest regard for the possiblities present in the game.


Cohen's play supports my theory that he is a support role.
Cafarelli's play supports my theory that she is an executioner/savage investigator.

[FM Galloway]

Is Mr. Green that other guy watching this with me?

[FM Monroe]

Good morning.

Earle is fake contributing and scum. Each of his posts have been reiteration or posting information we can already see. He attempted to emulate Buch for some unknown reason and now he leaves after randomly saying that the mafia are only killing inactive players and he doesn't want to die. Where in any possible reality is any of this not a scum tell?


As for Cohen.
It has become very obvious that he has attempted a couple of failed gambits on the first two days. He has a hesitance to reveal his role despite being largely pressured. He claimed to be a dead man walking on day one with the posion and gave out any and all notifications he had gotten and just about everything odd that he saw. Additionally to this he has been a fairly active player but has been put on the defensive and in a bad position with the insistance of death coming from Cafarelli on both of these last two days. In the eyes of Cafa, cohen is auto scum with no possibility of being anything else. Cohen has been missing in action for the latter end of day two and the opening of day three and yet his pressure has been steadily increasing and cafa attempts to get us to put him at L-1 instantly and lynch before the day closes.



Cafarelli
Claimed Investiagter after being some what inactive on day one and comes out with a large and useless lw that gives her thoughts and reads and feedbacks and a code to confirm whomever gets the lw. She also claims to have targeted rose with the godfathers feedbacks and notes some suspision on rose before moving on to hardcore push lynch on cohen by suggesting that he lied due to her getting a drug preventing feedbacks. Cafarelli tries to put the lynch on Cohen in everyones attention solely. The issues that are not being discussed here are that Cafarelli gets no feedback drug, assuming she is telling the truth, and sees that Cohen claimed posioned. Instead of checking him with the information she has to push her to check him, she checks someone else who posted very little in favor of an original fos that she pushes on the next day, despite the rose check being one that supports all that rose has shown us in the days previously. Today she has chosen to check Cohen, again assuming this is true, and pushes on his lynch again by painting him as a drug dealer. She suggests putting him at L-1 immediately and then lynching before the day is out. She ignores any possible bussing feedback or the mafia possibly framing Cohen. Instead of erring on the side of caution to not cause mislynches she pushes for Cohen's lynch without the slightest regard for the possiblities present in the game.


Cohen's play supports my theory that he is a support role.
Cafarelli's play supports my theory that she is an executioner/savage investigator.

If you stand by your own analysis, why aren't you voting Cafarelli?
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[FM Galloway]

If you stand by your own analysis, why aren't you voting Cafarelli?
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Because there is still the chance that Cohen is scum and Cafarelli is investigator and I am completely wrong.
Mislynches are bad Monroe. Mislynches are bad.

[FM Monroe]

Have you forgotten? They tried, but I was bussed. And I just happened to be bussed with the other person getting the other Blackmail/Drug.

What I don't understand is why you jump to the conclusion that the bus driver drove you and not the kidnapper. They give the same feedback.

The mafia could just drive you and intentionally blackmail the other kidnapper target so the blackmail would be redirected to you.

[FM Cafarelli]

See, before calling me a dumbass, Cafarelli, you should probably read this.
I made a mistake. I misunderstood the Blackmailer's role card, and I didn't realize that I couldn't claim I was previously blackmailed if I am currently blackmailed. This means that chances are I will suicide tonight.

Yes, I am currently blackmailed again. But this blackmail wasn't aimed at me.
Our Bus Driver played his cards right and it paid off. Even if this ends up with my suicide, he completely foiled the mafia's plan.


(This is irrefutable proof that the Mafia wasn't going to hit me, doh.)
FM Cohen

I was with you on Day 2. It really is a shame I couldn't say anything about it.

I also have some more information about something else that happened to me. It will not be revealed unless necessary. :)

now that's interesting (i only said you acted like a dumbass^^)
but why did you reveal now that you're now blackmailed, now you'll die for sure, that's sad. you could just ignore the blackmail because it doesnt make any sense^^ would you really die for revealing the old bm? why the hosts dont answer questions
what about the other information? this is your last day i think, so will you write it in your lw? btw with all that PRs we have, it's possible that there isnt even a coroner, that means lws might be only useful for savages


The Mafia wanted to make me their pawn.

I hate you guys.

Also, my guess as to why they killed Becket? Probably was investigated by a Consigliere.
Disguiser / Poisoner / Detective (Savage) / Journalist (Savage) / Lookout (Savage) / Corrupt Journalist
exactly why i think they killed him. must've thought he's the journalist.


FM Cafarelli

Sorry but Cohen is more trustworthy.

1. Why would Drug Dealer claim drugged?
to look like not dd
2. Why would Drug Dealer use no feedback drug?
asked and explained multiple times
3. Why would Cohen draw attention to himself when he is not immune to detection?
to look like town and did you realize, that he actually pulled investigatives away? who checks a poisoned guy, where a spreekiller/interceptor could go too?
4. Why can't Cohen be framed?
because there is no framer according to mafia role list
5. Rose may claim Delta but are you even an Investigator?
yep
6. Cafarelli might be Executioner.
no, typical scum tactic, call accusers exes/jesters
7. Cafarelli is trying to avoid attention during Day 1.
no, why you think so? i actually tried to look like a citizen
8. Why are you still alive?
my death and invest flip would instant kill cohen
9. Suggestion of Arsonist is stupid.
true already noticed
10. Why can't you be cult?
because of masons
11. Why can't you be Drug Dealer who got investigation results of Rose from Consigliere?
because i cant be maf because i'm trying to get someone lynched who is probably maf (but might be other scum too ofc)
12. Why is your avatar a Vigilante?
it's not. it's carley from telltale's the walking dead game; i like that character. it's not a role hint
13. We can still have Blacksmith.
but it's not cohen ;)
14. Why do you want blackmailed to die because of blackmail?
whut? no!
15. How can you be sure Cohen is scum when you are not Sheriff?
pairing makes it likely, his lie makes it sure
16. Why do you call Parker dumb?
because he wont trust me whatever i do
17. Why are you tunneling on Cohen?
he's scum
18. Why L-1 ASAP?
because he's confirmed scum
19. Why can't Cohen be Student?
he might be, but then he's evil/wants to be evil because of his lie. if he picks me as mentor it might be something else
20. Why should I even be trusting you?
in invest we trust right

answers in white

Your feedback claim could be a lie. But you don't hit me as someone who does gambits. You are more the kind of girl who plays out of the belly it seems. I am not sure though. Ghost makes the most sense out of all the roles with his behaviour.
why ghost? i dont think so. usually i dont do gambits but sometimes it's necessary ;) but this is true

1. Are you the Arsonist?
2. Or are you Epsilon?
3. Why are you voting Cohen?
4. Do you think you are being roleblocked by Escort or Consort?
5. What if Cohen is a Student?
arso cant be and you just said that.

Nope that's the investigative pairing of the Corrupt Journalist who died last night.

Well at least the Coroner has a good target for tonight. I am really curious who that guy interviewed. If he was the one who interviewed the second guy from yesterday. we might find the consigliere.
the real journalist interviewed the consig. or do you think the real journalist would interview the same guy twice? since this interview must be from real journalist and he said he was already interviewed i think

Regarding Cohen - It actually would not surprise me if Cohen is a student. Maybe my reasoning is egocentric but Cohen's behavior yesterday was off. The first day, he acts like a pretty normal townie. That makes sense for a student. If you pick your mentor, you are most likely to pick the town. Then on day 2, his attitude totally changes. The problem is, I'm concerned he picked Jester.

That being said, Phelps is right. Carafelli could be exe/consig as well. Savage is less likely if the masons did their job.

@Colmyer, this should have been handled with PMs to the host. It makes sense that you would have been able to reveal a previous blackmail if the mafia kept blackmailing you.

That being said, the mafia is completely willing to play with the lynch trains.



Earle, any player can post the vote count. We don't need it posted because we can see it.

Buckwalter, please post any thoughts and questions you may have. I am beginning to see you as a semi-active lurker. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Cohen, PLEASE reveal all that has happened to you. Please.



So we have an Englishman who is willing to manipulate lynches. This is interesting. I'm beginning to think the mafia were behind the lynch on Monroe but couldn't pull it off. Blackmail Monroe to claim Mayor (or maybe they just got lucky here) and try to mislynch him due to the previous mislynch on McKelty.
if he was student who picked jester, his win condition would not be to get lynched self but to get his master lynched. this would be easy win for both, like exe who targets jester^^
i already said i'm very unlikely consig because, if cohen flips mafia as he will, which consig lynched his mate? and if he flips town, which consig would out himself like that? really...
ofc the mafia wanted to lynch monroe becuase that'd save their mate cohen

[FM Monroe]

Earle's fake contributing is not a scum slip in my opinion. He's either trolling or wants to look like he's fake contributing for some other reason.

Green is a lot more suspicious.

[FM Galloway]

Earle's fake contributing is not a scum slip in my opinion. He's either trolling or wants to look like he's fake contributing for some other reason.

Green is a lot more suspicious.

Lol. Way to narrow [bleep] down to one aspect of an entire analysis.
You go fake mayor you.

[FM Black]

Feedback Claims:
Godfather

killed Becket

Blackmailer

blackmailed Colmyer

Escort / Consort

blocked Black
blocked Kelso

Bus Driver / Kidnapper

bussed Ballard
bussed Colmyer
bussed Kalou

Journalist / Corrupted Journalist

interviewd unknown



Notable Posts:

Black

Claims role-blocked, but then talks about having visited Becket? [#30] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321768&viewfull=1#post321768) [#31] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321770&viewfull=1#post321770)

Buchwalter

Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=318167&viewfull=1#post318167)
Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320823&viewfull=1#post320823)

Cafarelli

As semi-confirmed Investigator, calls out to lynch Cohen. [#46] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321805&viewfull=1#post321805)

Colmyer

Claims blackmailed, with message and all. [#54] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321819&viewfull=1#post321819)
Claims Delta. [#68] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321833&viewfull=1#post321833)



Lynch Trains:

Cohen

Been checked by Cafarelli (claimed Investigator), and appear as "Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student" [#46] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321805&viewfull=1#post321805)


Just how many times do I have to clarify that I attempted to visit(targetted) Becket, but I was role blocked.

[FM Green]

FM Cohen

Day 1 post #91 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317239&viewfull=1#post317239)
-Claims poisoned, insists he will die that day/night.


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Day 2 post #12 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=319636&viewfull=1#post319636)
-Healed but no feedback? I'm sorry if I missed it but do you get feedback if you get healed when you're poisoned? Makes no sense...

Day 2 post #184 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=319852&viewfull=1#post319852)
-Says that he is not confirmed town or scum. Not trying to say that he is town or not. Good tactic.

Day 2 post #901 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=321083&viewfull=1#post321083)
-Very confident about being Caf's FoS. Doesn't really care.



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Thats pretty much all I could get from Cohen. It's fairly hard to read him. And plus I'm rushing I have to work in 35 minutes and I still have to shower.

Be back tonight.

[FM Green]

I also meant to ask:

If a person is drug dealed - do they think something happened to them that actually didn't? Could that explain Cohens poison claim?

[FM Cafarelli]

FM Cafarelli
Day 1 post #24 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317130&viewfull=1#post317130)
-He says "i affect the speed of betas but the speed of betas affects me". How does investigator affect the speed of betas? And vice versa?
as i said, you wont understand
-Then he says "btw, did you understand the RP of last night? i didnt. is it at all about WWII now?" Pretty much everyone ignored his post. Not sure if trolling or what. Most likely trolling.
actually i wanted to know what it's about. and why they first said it's about WWII. not that i like WWII themes...

Day 1 post #78 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317219&viewfull=1#post317219)
-"many people make hints about their roles^^ like me though noone will figure it out anyway" Okay so you currently are claiming investigator but you say that no one will guess your role based on that you can affect the speed of betas and vice versa. I don't get that
ehm that was before i claimed invest?

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Day 2 post #137 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=319787&viewfull=1#post319787)
-He FoS against Cohen but only says because hes a liar. Doesn't give a reason to why he thinks hes a liar.
didnt want to reveal

Day 2 post #251 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=319967&viewfull=1#post319967)
-Thinks he was drugged n1 i was certainly
-Claims investigator (dunno why a PR would out himself day 2 just to get one person lynched who, could very well not be what he says)

Day 2 post #265 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=319983&viewfull=1#post319983)
-Says he "really was drug dealed, if not me who else?"

Day 2 post #798 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320843&viewfull=1#post320843)
-Says "and rose is most likely citizen, i checked him guys" .... Okay, so you had 2 nights to check someone and you said you get 2 feedbacks when you didnt get feedback n1? Just like Lichtmann says in post #800 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320847&viewfull=1#post320847).
continue reading. i've never checked anyone else

Day 2 post #809 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320856&viewfull=1#post320856)
-Wonders why Colmyer is asking for a doctor... even though he is obviously BMd.
does being blackmailed automatically mean you're killed?


I'll post my Cohen read in a bit.
comments in white. overall you dont read well and you fail to include any opinions

Good morning.

Earle is fake contributing and scum. Each of his posts have been reiteration or posting information we can already see. He attempted to emulate Buch for some unknown reason and now he leaves after randomly saying that the mafia are only killing inactive players and he doesn't want to die. Where in any possible reality is any of this not a scum tell?


As for Cohen.
It has become very obvious that he has attempted a couple of failed gambits on the first two days. He has a hesitance to reveal his role despite being largely pressured. He claimed to be a dead man walking on day one with the posion and gave out any and all notifications he had gotten and just about everything odd that he saw. Additionally to this he has been a fairly active player but has been put on the defensive and in a bad position with the insistance of death coming from Cafarelli on both of these last two days. In the eyes of Cafa, cohen is auto scum with no possibility of being anything else. Cohen has been missing in action for the latter end of day two and the opening of day three and yet his pressure has been steadily increasing and cafa attempts to get us to put him at L-1 instantly and lynch before the day closes.



Cafarelli
Claimed Investiagter after being some what inactive on day one i was not really inactive
and comes out with a large and useless lwit's not useless for a coroner in case i hadn't revealed
that gives her thoughts and reads and feedbacks and a code to confirm whomever gets the lw. She also claims to have targeted rose with the godfathers feedbacks and notes some suspision on rose which is why i checked him. i wouldnt have written this d2 if i hadnt wanted to hint at my night result
before moving on to hardcore push lynch on cohen by suggesting that he lied due to her getting a drug preventing feedbacks. Cafarelli tries to put the lynch on Cohen in everyones attention solely. The issues that are not being discussed here are that Cafarelli gets no feedback drug, assuming she is telling the truth, and sees that Cohen claimed posioned. Instead of checking him with the information she has to push her to check him, i didnt knew that he lied n2, i learned it d2 so i checked n3 because you didnt want to lynch
she checks someone else who posted very little in favor of an original fos that she pushes on the next day, despite the rose check being one that supports all that rose has shown us in the days previously. so you think rose is gf? could be ofc but if i get that result, citizen is the most likely option
Today she has chosen to check Cohen, again assuming this is true, and pushes on his lynch again by painting him as a drug dealer. She suggests putting him at L-1 immediately and then lynching before the day is out. She ignores any possible bussing feedback or the mafia possibly framing Cohen. no framer not possible and if he was bded he may come online and tell us, i didnt say lynch asap
Instead of erring on the side of caution to not cause mislynches she pushes for Cohen's lynch without the slightest regard for the possiblities present in the game. i think it's safe to lynch him. i was already d2


Cohen's play supports my theory that he is a support role.
Cafarelli's play supports my theory that she is an executioner/savage investigator.

answers again in white

[FM Green]

Damnit I also forgot to add that I believe Caf is an executioner.

[FM Monroe]

Lol. Way to narrow [bleep] down to one aspect of an entire analysis.
You go fake mayor you.

Please tell me what other aspects there are, because I don't see them. If you mean the observation that they're hitting targets with low post counts, I can't see why that's so damning. Because it's true.

[FM Galloway]

Cafa that makes no sense. If your investigator and you check someone and don't get feedback what the [bleep] do you [bleep] think [bleep] happened?

Retarded as [bleep] answers you gave there cafa. Just confirming exe on yourself.

[FM Galloway]

Please tell me what other aspects there are, because I don't see them. If you mean the observation that they're hitting targets with low post counts, I can't see why that's so damning. Because it's true.

Because they have yet to hit a delta with all the [bleep] delta in the [bleep] game. Consig practically confirmed as of now which is obviously dictating their kills.
holy [bleep] man. Learn to [bleep] read.

[FM Phelps]

ok so who was interviewed twice? It's either FM Colmyer , FM Morgan or FM Cohen. If it's FM cohen he is definetly scum. if FM Cafarelli speaks the truth. But then again the behaviour makes no sense for any sort of mafia play i could imagine. Where is he anyway? Usually he should be around by now.

The savages should be at 3 ~ 4 members by now. Also they have to decide if they kill -OR- if they recruit. I don't expect to see them killing people before N5


My gut tells me that FM green and FM fountaine are scum.

[FM Galloway]

comments in white. overall you dont read well and you fail to include any opinions


answers again in white


No but you [bleep] said put him at L-1 asap. Why can't anyone read what Im saying? Its not that hard. Basic reading skills.

[FM Phelps]

I don't like your attitude FM Galloway.

[FM Parker]

@Monroe/Galloway, Carafelli has her uses. If we postpone the decision between Cafarelli and Cohen one more day, she'll have to give us a lead on someone else. I don't think the town could or would conveniently buy both the "no feedback drug dealing" and the lack of an investigation on someone else being fruitful. I'm changing my vote to Carafelli but working my scum hunt towards other targets unless the answer to Carafelli's day one riddle hits me.



Also, perhaps we are taking her riddle the wrong way (the speed of betas affects her and she affects the speed of betas). We've assumed beta meant the players in the game, but that would make the riddle have no sense. The closest to that would be bus driver. Yet, that clearly wouldn't match with the facts. Driver is still driving (which doesn't match with invest OR savage). So beta in her riddle must have meant either a) betas in Brave New World or b) some other definition, such as the beta light speed ratio.

I think if we solve Carafelli's day one riddle, it might help us out of this logjam. I don't see how investigation would affect the speed of betas unless its some sort of schrodinger's riddle.



@Green, yes drug dealers can send false feedback. For instance, if someone claimed doused, we'd all suspect they were really drugged due to the lack of dousing.



I'm really not liking Buchwalter. I asked him for his opinions. His "opinions" provide no analysis but are merely rehasing. His points are nice, concise and organized but I'm worried he is scum or at least withholding for some reason.



FM Carafelli

[FM Cafarelli]

Cafa that makes no sense. If your investigator and you check someone and don't get feedback what the [bleep] do you [bleep] think [bleep] happened?

Retarded as [bleep] answers you gave there cafa. Just confirming exe on yourself.

ofc that i was drugged, what else, what is this question
the only thing that confirms is that you are retarded as "[bleep]"
and if you think the answers are retarded then explain why

[FM Monroe]

Because they have yet to hit a delta with all the [bleep] delta in the [bleep] game. Consig practically confirmed as of now which is obviously dictating their kills.
holy [bleep] man. Learn to [bleep] read.

What if they just hit Becket because he was one of the few players who made some sense yesterday and they wanted to remove him before he'd assume a leading role?

Sounds more likely than the investigation theory if you ask me.

[FM Phelps]

It's stupid to vote for FM Cafarelli right now. FM Cohen hasn't even claimed anything yet. We have an invest claim who got the correct? pairing of FM Rose against FM Cohen who claimed nothing so far. At least wait for FM Cohen's answer. After that we will decide what we do and what not.

[FM Parker]

What if they just hit Becket because he was one of the few players who made some sense yesterday and they wanted to remove him before he'd assume a leading role?

Sounds more likely than the investigation theory if you ask me.

I like this post. I can be quite the stubborn git but Becket was sounding quite logical towards the end of yesterday.


@Phelps, the vote is only there in case I cannot post for some unforseen reason.

[FM Phelps]

The vote wasn't even correct Peter...

[FM Cafarelli]

No but you [bleep] said put him at L-1 asap. Why can't anyone read what Im saying? Its not that hard. Basic reading skills.
i cant see how that would harm in any way. scum won't hammer their own mate early

I don't like your attitude FM Galloway.
me neither. i liked the galloway from d1. you replaced?

@Monroe/Galloway, Carafelli has her uses. If we postpone the decision between Cafarelli and Cohen one more day, she'll have to give us a lead on someone else. that's retarded, i'll also give leads once we got rid of that scum. now dont you waste another day. you're just some maf who tries to delay the inevitable lynch I don't think the town could or would conveniently buy both the "no feedback drug dealing" and the lack of an investigation on someone else being fruitful. I'm changing my vote to Carafelli but working my scum hunt towards other targets unless the answer to Carafelli's day one riddle hits me.



Also, perhaps we are taking her riddle the wrong way (the speed of betas affects her and she affects the speed of betas). We've assumed beta meant the players in the game, but that would make the riddle have no sense. The closest to that would be bus driver. Yet, that clearly wouldn't match with the facts. Driver is still driving (which doesn't match with invest OR savage). So beta in her riddle must have meant either a) betas in Brave New World or b) some other definition, such as the beta light speed ratio. i said the beta is NOT the hint. so it's nothing about the betas. i give you another tip: it's about physics. now it should be solveable

I think if we solve Carafelli's day one riddle, it might help us out of this logjam. I don't see how investigation would affect the speed of betas unless its some sort of schrodinger's riddle.



@Green, yes drug dealers can send false feedback. For instance, if someone claimed doused, we'd all suspect they were really drugged due to the lack of dousing.



I'm really not liking Buchwalter. I asked him for his opinions. His "opinions" provide no analysis but are merely rehasing. His points are nice, concise and organized but I'm worried he is scum or at least withholding for some reason.



FM Carafelli

comments in white. why now vote me? the explanation i might not be able to post doesnt justify imo


@phelps: peter?

[FM Galloway]

ofc that i was drugged, what else, what is this question
the only thing that confirms is that you are retarded as "[bleep]"
and if you think the answers are retarded then explain why

Ok thank you. Now that we are on the same page and you aren't a step behind answer this.

If you were drugged and Cohen claimed posioned and asked everyone not to save him there are only a few possibilities there.
Two of them should have caused you to check him for a twofold result. You didn't.


What if they just hit Becket because he was one of the few players who made some sense yesterday and they wanted to remove him before he'd assume a leading role?

Sounds more likely than the investigation theory if you ask me.

Becket was lurky and only posted towards the latter end of day two with the sense making. Players like Morgan, Cohen, Paker, Ballard also made sense and were better targets than Becket. How you missed this I will never know.


I like this post. I can be quite the stubborn git but Becket was sounding quite logical towards the end of yesterday.


@Phelps, the vote is only there in case I cannot post for some unforseen reason.

See above.

[FM Galloway]

You don't like me because im aggressive and headbutting with everyone. You don't realize the value in having a player do that. The more conflict between two players the better reads can be gathered

[FM Phelps]

Peter Parker aka Spidermang

[FM Cafarelli]

You don't like me because im aggressive and headbutting with everyone. You don't realize the value in having a player do that. The more conflict between two players the better reads can be gathered
but you're on the wrong side

Ok thank you. Now that we are on the same page and you aren't a step behind answer this.

If you were drugged and Cohen claimed posioned and asked everyone not to save him there are only a few possibilities there.
Two of them should have caused you to check him for a twofold result. You didn't.



Becket was lurky and only posted towards the latter end of day two with the sense making. Players like Morgan, Cohen, Paker, Ballard also made sense and were better targets than Becket. How you missed this I will never know.



See above.
sure maf killing their own cohen now
i wasnt online while the posts on last page were made but i wanted to comment them. and i also am a step behind because you all post so fast
so here is your answer: i really thought he was poisoned. i just knew he wasnt drugged. so in case he was really poisoned that would mean he is town (or atleast not maf) and will die anyway most likely

but answer this, do you think if i was an executioner i would've claimed that i checked rose instead of cohen?

[FM Parker]

@Phelps, I've already mentioned how much I hate that name.

FM Cafarelli

@Cafarelli, I'm not delaying the inevitable. I'm saying if there seem to be two camps on who is scum and who isn't and this can be settled, why not? Then I display my camp if we really want to lynch one of you two today.

Also, Galloway has butted heads with me frequently regarding my positions on your scumminess. He's being confrontational to all.



@Galloway, I'm almost certain the mafia targeted Becket. I know usually I'd put things out on the table, but I cannot this time.

[FM Buchwalter]

I'm really not liking Buchwalter. I asked him for his opinions. His "opinions" provide no analysis but are merely rehasing. His points are nice, concise and organized but I'm worried he is scum or at least withholding for some reason.

I'm not liking you much either. You do not seem to know the rules much and you mess up on the simplest things rather then go read the FAQ or role-cards.

As for my lack of analysis. I'm a math guy, I do not write that much and reading people is not one of my strong sides.

The few detailed posts I have made, you see to ignore, I do not know.

[FM Parker]

It's my first M-FM and there are a hell of a lot of rules to remember Buch.

Go ahead and grab some of your "detailed" posts. They are almost certainly rehashing.

Also, if you're such a math guy, why don't you calculate the odds of the mafia randomly hitting a Delta on day 1?

[FM Galloway]

@Cafa

K. that answers works with me for now. While I still don't like the hard push from you there isn't anything more I need to begin anaylizing this [bleep]fest. What the [bleep] are you talking about wrong side however?


@Parker
I suppose but its the question of why they targeted him specifically that bugs the [bleep] out of me. From all my reads on him nowhere did I place him probable kill. He just didn't post that much and he didn't even soft claim town pr. There were much better kills out there and they went with Becket.

[FM Parker]

@Galloway, there were much better kills than Bishop yesterday too. I don't think activity levels are the sole deciding factor for them. I don't think their targets for bussing got bussed twice. There is the chance that the GF is totally under the witches command, but again Biggs wouldn't announce that day one and day 2.

[FM Cafarelli]

@Cafa

K. that answers works with me for now. While I still don't like the hard push from you there isn't anything more I need to begin anaylizing this [bleep]fest. What the [bleep] are you talking about wrong side however?


@Parker
I suppose but its the question of why they targeted him specifically that bugs the [bleep] out of me. From all my reads on him nowhere did I place him probable kill. He just didn't post that much and he didn't even soft claim town pr. There were much better kills out there and they went with Becket.

you trust cohen more than me

[FM Buchwalter]

It's my first M-FM and there are a hell of a lot of rules to remember Buch.

Go ahead and grab some of your "detailed" posts. They are almost certainly rehashing.

Also, if you're such a math guy, why don't you calculate the odds of the mafia randomly hitting a Delta on day 1?

about 50% chance I would say?

36 players at start.
6 mafia roles.
10 confirmed Citizens.
10 hidden/random roles that could be Citizen.
If we say 50% of the hidden/random roles are Citizens.
That is 15 Citizens.

So 30 targets and 15 possible Citizens. We end with the chance of being 50%.

[FM Galloway]

you trust cohen more than me

I don't trust either of you. :D

[FM Cafarelli]

I don't trust either of you. :D

so you agree with the lynch?

[FM Buchwalter]

Go ahead and grab some of your "detailed" posts. They are almost certainly rehashing.

[D2 #734] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320725#post320725)
[#83] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321856#post321856)

Ok i haven't made that many big posts, I will say that, but no one seem to notice when I do post.
Both those two post went pretty unnoticed.

[FM Galloway]

so you agree with the lynch?

Not yet. I'm still reading.

[FM Parker]

@Buchwalter, post 83 is pure rehashing and made after prodding by me. Your other post, while it looks to have analysis on the surface is just "if no one's lying, here's our recap". Again, no real analysis. You are active lurking and I highly suspect you are withholding.

@Carafelli, who wouldn't trust you less? Even Buchwalter's post above (made with prodding) suggests a 50 percent chance of hitting a role that wouldn't generate feedback anyway, thus wasting the drug dealer's ability to manipulate. Furthermore, if you had suspected that Cohen wasn't drugged and wouldn't be healed, you should have investigated him. Instead, you investigated Rose. Why? What about a lurker draws your suspicion more than someone you "know" is lying? It doesn't exactly paint a picture of trustworhy. Also the category you posted Cohen in gives him a damn good reason not to claim if he's town, that's a PR role.

I've also found a physics book that explains why you were claiming Delta with your riddle and not an investigator. Delta rays somehow form along the side of beta particles. See the paragraph starting with "Delta Rays" Riddle answer (http://books.google.com/books?id=4GzRaq0rIEwC&pg=PA318&lpg=PA318&dq=delta+rays+speed+beta&source=bl&ots=7uXK_90JpY&sig=AjfC7D8Hh0NSyVSqGBeCt0BcY_Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pIWWUfDNIeKniQLR8IDACg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=delta%20rays%20speed%20beta&f=false). I'm no physics major but that sounds close enough to me to you're claiming Delta.

Yet, if that's the case, then you shouldn't be an investigator. You'd be the savage investigator. The biggest counter to this argument is that you should be dead and if the masons were smart, they would have hit you.

[FM Buchwalter]

@Cafarelli:
As you can see in my post here, [D2 #734] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320725#post320725). I believe you are both town, and that the mafia simply got you both into their paws. There is a possibility for you both to be telling the truth.

[FM Rose]

It is true that i am a delta, so i think it is unlikely that cafarelli is lying about his results. Cafarelli could be a savage but the savages want the mafia dead aswell. Fm Cohen

[FM Mendez]

here we go, with further evidence against cohen.
he is a Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student
i checked him tonight (thanks noobs, for making me waste a night action on confirmed scum)

drug dealer is the most likely. because he drug dealed me n1, thinks i wouldnt know it and then claims drug dealed self. drug dealer claiming drug dealed, to clear himself from all accusations
kidnapper is possible too. i'm sure he's scum

blacksmith, i dont think we have one. nor vigi or vet. we would know by now i think.

arsonist is possible, any random might be a neutral killing.
witch is the second likely, possibly he tried to tell scum that he's witch by his lie


anyway, the fact that i'm still alive cleans me from being cult anyway. parker i really dont understand why you are so stupid, illogical and narrowminded (sry) and still think i could be maf or something when i try to get a mafia member lynched

colmyer i also dont really understand you, you acted like a dumbass last day tbh
1) the mafia would NEVER kill you when you still had to complete your task. that would be a TOTAL waste of a night kill. i dont get why you didnt see that bluff
2) what makes you think you're more important than any other guy
3) additionally you just gived them 2 more blackmails (with dd)
i hope today's blackmailed guy is not so dumb

FM Cohen
btw have you noticed his avatar tries to suggest he's as innocent as sheeps? lol, scum much
recommendation: vote at L-1 ASAP and lynch before day ends

I will be waiting until Cohen shows his defense before putting my lynch on him. For now, I am believing you more than him. He is at L-7, so hopefully he posts soon.


http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320563#post320563

Yes, the target of blackmail can reveal that he was blackmailed after being released from blackmail without receiving a penalty. They are not notified if the status is lifted.

FM Colmyer

His blackmail note is fake. Mafia would have demanded Colmyer and Morgan to be the highest poster.
I preferred when you just checked in. Why would he fake a blackmail, reveal that it is fake and then tell everyone he is a citizen and going to suicide if it was a real blackmail? Doesn't make sense.

What I picked up so far from reading today's chat

- Ballard, Colmyer, and Kalou were bussed. So someone out there has yet to reveal that they were bussed. This person is likely who has received the blackmail intended for Colmyer.

I agree that Colmyer was probably targeted by the bus driver, since Mafia wouldn't send a blackmail like that to himself. So whoever was bussed with Colmyer can be confirmed not mafia, and their posts should be read carefully because they will be blackmailed.
It has to be Ballard, Kalou, or the fourth who has yet to speak up. I suspect it's the one yet to reveal, since they want to prevent the blackmailer from blackmailing every night.

[FM Parker]

@Rose, you do realize that more than half the players in the game are likely deltas right and there are a few others who would fall under that pairing? That's not exactly a wild guess.



Also, if we suppose Colmyer AND John Doe Bussed were blackmailed, then that leaves two blackmailed. I can't image the mafia giving two bussed people the same blackmail, which would suggest two blackmailers.

[FM Mendez]

It is true that i am a delta, so i think it is unlikely that cafarelli is lying about his results. Cafarelli could be a savage but the savages want the mafia dead aswell. Fm Cohen
Well there should be a lot of Deltas. If he's lying saying someone is a Delta is the best way to go about it. I am doubting he is a savage because the masons have not clubbed him. I think masons should keep an enforcer on him though to make things harder on the cult.


@Buchwalter, post 83 is pure rehashing and made after prodding by me. Your other post, while it looks to have analysis on the surface is just "if no one's lying, here's our recap". Again, no real analysis. You are active lurking and I highly suspect you are withholding.

@Carafelli, who wouldn't trust you less? Even Buchwalter's post above (made with prodding) suggests a 50 percent chance of hitting a role that wouldn't generate feedback anyway, thus wasting the drug dealer's ability to manipulate. Furthermore, if you had suspected that Cohen wasn't drugged and wouldn't be healed, you should have investigated him. Instead, you investigated Rose. Why? What about a lurker draws your suspicion more than someone you "know" is lying? It doesn't exactly paint a picture of trustworhy. Also the category you posted Cohen in gives him a damn good reason not to claim if he's town, that's a PR role.

I've also found a physics book that explains why you were claiming Delta with your riddle and not an investigator. Delta rays somehow form along the side of beta particles. See the paragraph starting with "Delta Rays" Riddle answer (http://books.google.com/books?id=4GzRaq0rIEwC&pg=PA318&lpg=PA318&dq=delta+rays+speed+beta&source=bl&ots=7uXK_90JpY&sig=AjfC7D8Hh0NSyVSqGBeCt0BcY_Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pIWWUfDNIeKniQLR8IDACg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=delta%20rays%20speed%20beta&f=false). I'm no physics major but that sounds close enough to me to you're claiming Delta.

Yet, if that's the case, then you shouldn't be an investigator. You'd be the savage investigator. The biggest counter to this argument is that you should be dead and if the masons were smart, they would have hit you.
I would hope the Masons hit him. The answer seems a little stretched to me. No where does it say Delta rays affect the speed of beta particles. The connection would seem important, but I thought it was assume alpha/beta/delta/gamma were usually had a connection of sorts. *Note im not a physics major, dont trash me if im wrong.

[FM Rose]

@Rose, you do realize that more than half the players in the game are likely deltas right and there are a few others who would fall under that pairing? That's not exactly a wild guess.



Also, if we suppose Colmyer AND John Doe Bussed were blackmailed, then that leaves two blackmailed. I can't image the mafia giving two bussed people the same blackmail, which would suggest two blackmailers.

A drug dealer can make a fake blackmail. He is however forced to use the same blackmail note as the real blackmailer so it is very likely that 2 players have recieved the same blackmail note.

[FM Rose]

Im guessing cohen is thinking of a way to defend himself, that could explain why he hasn't said anything yet.

[FM Parker]

@Rose, then it should be obvious who is "defending" Colmyer from a non-existant FoS if no one attacks him. If that doesn't happen, our suppositions lead us to two blackmailers.



@Mason, fair enough. I'll try to find something a little clearer, even if it goes against my assumptions.



@ALL, why are we even assuming the mafia intended to blackmail Colmyer? We know someone was intended to defend him in a paranoid manner, but that could have been planting the seeds for a scum lynch.

[FM Kelso]

1. Are you the Arsonist?
2. Or are you Epsilon?
3. Why are you voting Cohen?
4. Do you think you are being roleblocked by Escort or Consort?
5. What if Cohen is a Student?

1- There's no arsonist in the game. it's been 3 day and no one claimed doused. And I was roleblocked only once. That was an useless question imo. (Was it because of my avatar?)

2- I played town so far, I'm not Epsilon. Couldn't be an executor since I'm not targeting someone in perticuliar. If I was journalist (even corrupt) I would have said that I was journalist and I would have tried to mislead town. Nothing more to say, you'll have to trust me, I'm not Epsilon.

3- I'm voting cohen because I don't trust his poisoning lie. It not only this but I can't make a huge post right now so if you want more info, you'll have to wait.

4- I don't know if it was escort or consort. My guess is consort, even if I wasn't that much active. Maybe they though I waw a TPR trying to stay under the radar but still contributing.

5- If he's a student, we should lynch him. There's a chance that he's scum or will choose a scum as his master. It's not really a win/win situation but it's better to have 1 less town than 1 more scum.

Will be back later, stuff to do.

[FM Mendez]

@Rose, you do realize that more than half the players in the game are likely deltas right and there are a few others who would fall under that pairing? That's not exactly a wild guess.



Also, if we suppose Colmyer AND John Doe Bussed were blackmailed, then that leaves two blackmailed. I can't image the mafia giving two bussed people the same blackmail, which would suggest two blackmailers.

Parker, I agree it's unlikely. However what would the point of the blackmail note he received be if there wasn't another note?

I also forgot to account for a kidnapper swapping Colmyer with Player A, and then Player A getting bussed to player B. This could explain the missing bussed claim. But then Player A would say they were bussed twice. So this theory is kind of poor.

[FM Parker]

If we are supposing that Colmyer was the intended target of the "other possible" blackmail, it could be to withhold any sort of feedback from the group. If Colmyer could not reveal his feedback, then he could not reveal any leads that would help him escape the mafia lynch.

This would also explain why the fourth bussed target did not come forward. He's blackmailed into hiding his feedback entirely.

[FM Galloway]

The biggest point that hasn't been considered is the use of Cohen. If Cohen is an intelligent player we can use his intelligence to benefit us. For example we can use him to give out reads on people we suspect. Its risky but the benefit is pretty substancal. That is what im evaluating at this moment.

[FM Mendez]

@Rose, then it should be obvious who is "defending" Colmyer from a non-existant FoS if no one attacks him. If that doesn't happen, our suppositions lead us to two blackmailers.



@Mason, fair enough. I'll try to find something a little clearer, even if it goes against my assumptions.



@ALL, why are we even assuming the mafia intended to blackmail Colmyer? We know someone was intended to defend him in a paranoid manner, but that could have been planting the seeds for a scum lynch.

The second blackmail victim hopefully will wait until day two. If Colmyer dies tonight, he will know his is drugged and feel free to admit the fake blackmail. If not, he completes the blackmail, everyone is awares it a blackmail and moves on.

[FM Parker]

@Galloway, I'm all for risky ideas, especially if they can resolve the Cohen/Cafarelli debate. Please, elaborate. How do we use Cohen?

[FM Hogeboom]

The second blackmail victim hopefully will wait until day two. If Colmyer dies tonight, he will know his is drugged and feel free to admit the fake blackmail. If not, he completes the blackmail, everyone is awares it a blackmail and moves on.

This is true if there will be two deaths this night.

[FM Leary]

I find it intriguing how quite a few people started lobbying for Cohen without the man himself having shown up yet.
I'd like to hear the man in question resolve the issues from his point of view before changing my vote.

[FM Mendez]

This is true if there will be two deaths this night.
The mafia kill and - ?
There is no suicide if Colmyer is drugged.


I find it intriguing how quite a few people started lobbying for Cohen without the man himself having shown up yet.
I'd like to hear the man in question resolve the issues from his point of view before changing my vote.

This is the same reason I'm holding back. I find it strange how he has yet to post in awhile. He is usually all over the chat.

[FM Hogeboom]

The mafia kill and - ?
There is no suicide if Colmyer is drugged.

Guess I was unclear, the other guy can reveal he got drug blackmailed if Colmyer dies while Mafia kills another player, making it two night deaths. If they decide to only kill off Colmyer then we will have no confirmation. They would have a sure night kill tonight while having a second the next night.

[FM Galloway]

@Galloway, I'm all for risky ideas, especially if they can resolve the Cohen/Cafarelli debate. Please, elaborate. How do we use Cohen?

Peddling him onto giving us reads under threat of death.
Moving him into our public analysis center and stuff. I mean this only works if he is not a student and if he is intelligent enough to give out proper reads.

Its like...whats the best example.


Alright you remember how vonskr was Gandalf in yap's FM and he got lynched instantly?
vonskr is a good player and smart. He should have been used for reads for a few days.
Best example I got with the pressed for time.

[FM Parker]

I do find it odd Cohen hasn't posted and his hostile attitude towards me the other day. This is why I think he's got some wierd "I want to be lynched" thing going on. Yet, none of the roles Cafarelli has described leave open that possibility. He's also all, I bet Cafarelli's town even though the possibility of both being town is very slim. I don't get his behavior and I'm seriously concerned he WANTS us to lynch/kill him.

@Cafarelli, please just explain your freaking riddle. I don't get it. I'm trying but the closest to guessing a role is delta. I haven't taken a physics course in many years though.

[FM Parker]

Peddling him onto giving us reads under threat of death.
Moving him into our public analysis center and stuff. I mean this only works if he is not a student and if he is intelligent enough to give out proper reads.

Its like...whats the best example.


Alright you remember how vonskr was Gandalf in yap's FM and he got lynched instantly?
vonskr is a good player and smart. He should have been used for reads for a few days.
Best example I got with the pressed for time.

I'm not sure how this is any different from a pressure. I think he's got a fair amount of that.

[FM Galloway]

I'm not sure how this is any different from a pressure. I think he's got a fair amount of that.

Its a little different. Pressure forces a person to defend against his acussations and then people are like hey read this person.

Pressure, going on too long, usually ends up in a lynch.

[FM Mendez]

Guess I was unclear, the other guy can reveal he got drug blackmailed if Colmyer dies while Mafia kills another player, making it two night deaths. If they decide to only kill off Colmyer then we will have no confirmation. They would have a sure night kill tonight while having a second the next night.

I was under the impression that the blackmail suicide was more along the lines of a jester suicide. Just to be sure.

If a blackmail victim reveals they are blackmailed and is forced to commit suicide, what death description is given?

Also, If the second person is drugged they will not die if they follow my plan. If they don't want to risk the possibility of two blackmailers sending the same message, they can still do the blackmail.

[FM Hogeboom]

I was under the impression that the blackmail suicide was more along the lines of a jester suicide. Just to be sure.

If a blackmail victim reveals they are blackmailed and is forced to commit suicide, what death description is given?

Also, If the second person is drugged they will not die if they follow my plan. If they don't want to risk the possibility of two blackmailers sending the same message, they can still do the blackmail.
Well it's true that it's not explicitly stated, I just assumed it would go as Soma kill considering this:


Soma Dealer kill (normal, interceptor, or poisoner, no difference)
All these kills are Mafia kills, so Blackmail into suicide would be the same. But clarification would be nice.

[FM Mendez]

Well it's true that it's not explicitly stated, I just assumed it would go as Soma kill considering this:

All these kills are Mafia kills, so Blackmail into suicide would be the same. But clarification would be nice.

A kill would imply it could be healed, where a suicide can't. But yea green text is out, so we can just wait for the host


I don't lie the fact that I targeted Becket and so does GF
This seemed strange and unnecessary to me. Also that we have 8 people reading and the chat is going so slow.

[FM Cafarelli]

@Buchwalter, post 83 is pure rehashing and made after prodding by me. Your other post, while it looks to have analysis on the surface is just "if no one's lying, here's our recap". Again, no real analysis. You are active lurking and I highly suspect you are withholding.

@Carafelli, who wouldn't trust you less? Even Buchwalter's post above (made with prodding) suggests a 50 percent chance of hitting a role that wouldn't generate feedback anyway, thus wasting the drug dealer's ability to manipulate. Furthermore, if you had suspected that Cohen wasn't drugged and wouldn't be healed, you should have investigated him. Instead, you investigated Rose. Why? What about a lurker draws your suspicion more than someone you "know" is lying? It doesn't exactly paint a picture of trustworhy. Also the category you posted Cohen in gives him a damn good reason not to claim if he's town, that's a PR role.

I've also found a physics book that explains why you were claiming Delta with your riddle and not an investigator. Delta rays somehow form along the side of beta particles. See the paragraph starting with "Delta Rays" Riddle answer (http://books.google.com/books?id=4GzRaq0rIEwC&pg=PA318&lpg=PA318&dq=delta+rays+speed+beta&source=bl&ots=7uXK_90JpY&sig=AjfC7D8Hh0NSyVSqGBeCt0BcY_Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pIWWUfDNIeKniQLR8IDACg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=delta%20rays%20speed%20beta&f=false). I'm no physics major but that sounds close enough to me to you're claiming Delta.

Yet, if that's the case, then you shouldn't be an investigator. You'd be the savage investigator. The biggest counter to this argument is that you should be dead and if the masons were smart, they would have hit you.
why should i have investigated him when i thought he'd die anyway? how did i know it was no real poisoning at this point? i've already answered this, why you ask again?
and no this is not the solution. the solution has several layers of links

@Rose, you do realize that more than half the players in the game are likely deltas right and there are a few others who would fall under that pairing? That's not exactly a wild guess.



Also, if we suppose Colmyer AND John Doe Bussed were blackmailed, then that leaves two blackmailed. I can't image the mafia giving two bussed people the same blackmail, which would suggest two blackmailers.
john doe?

I do find it odd Cohen hasn't posted and his hostile attitude towards me the other day. This is why I think he's got some wierd "I want to be lynched" thing going on. Yet, none of the roles Cafarelli has described leave open that possibility. He's also all, I bet Cafarelli's town even though the possibility of both being town is very slim. I don't get his behavior and I'm seriously concerned he WANTS us to lynch/kill him.

@Cafarelli, please just explain your freaking riddle. I don't get it. I'm trying but the closest to guessing a role is delta. I haven't taken a physics course in many years though.

as he is scum, trying to discredit me would ultimately result in him being lynched once i am confirmed, for example through death. whereas defending accuser would rather make him pro town. he tried to convince me and you that we're both town. he really tried not to get lynched. by defending me he also had to counter you and monroe because you posted accusations on me with very weak clues and he knew i was town and tried to look like he thinks i'm town

the riddle doesnt really matter. i can tell you the solution, it's gamma but i want to keep the way for myself and my last will

[FM Parker]

@Mendez, all the town PR roles attempting to out themselves I don't like this.

@Black, since you've claimed to "target" Becket and you've outed yourself as a targeting role, who did you target previously?

@Carafelli, John Doe means someone anonymous, it's quite a common way of saying an unknown person here in America.

At some point Cohen should be abandoning his defense of you then, since the group has pretty much decided that two drug dealers is remote. I would understand such a theory if it could be possible both of you could be innocent.

Also, if the riddle doesn't matter, why are you withholding it. Also, even if the answer is gamma, that wouldn't lead you to a role. Your riddle, when initially posted, said it would lead you to a role. Gamma =/= role.

[FM Mendez]

John Doe was about a theory I was suggesting about the 4th bussed person being blackmailed, if its the same as Colmyers, they are forced not to reveal feedback.

[FM Parker]

John Doe was about a theory I was suggesting about the 4th bussed person being blackmailed, if its the same as Colmyers, they are forced not to reveal feedback.

You are right about the theory. However, in that post John Doe was just a "filler" meaning someone whose name we did not know.

[FM Mendez]

You are right about the theory. However, in that post John Doe was just a "filler" meaning someone whose name we did not know.

Of course.

And Black corrected someone when they said he claimed TPR. So possibly claiming Epsilon?


Nope, just getting the facts straight. Someone also added that claimed TPR. Did I ever say I was town?

[FM Black]

@Black, since you've claimed to "target" Becket and you've outed yourself as a targeting role, who did you target previously?

.

I don't like answering this question due to the due it might be quite easy to determine my role. I shall hold off until a later point.


With colymer's claims, we can at least guarantee that there is indeed a bus driver and not two kidnappers.

[FM Black]

Of course.

And Black corrected someone when they said he claimed TPR. So possibly claiming Epsilon?

I am not claiming anything. I will inform you that I am keep as little information free to the public as possible about myself. Yes I know this makes me sound like I have a dangerous role and do be it.

[FM Black]

#1 fact*
#2 so*

[FM Black]

The only information that I felt safe to relay to everyone about myself were these two facts:

I have a night action

I attempted to visit Becket last night but was role blocked.

[FM Black]

It just kinda irritates me when other players start to manipulate my words from their original intent.

Minions are meant to work with their master, not against him. But it's ok, I forgive you.

[FM Carruthers]

I wish I could contribute more, but everyone has already said a lot.

This is probably quite the useless post.

[FM Mendez]

It just kinda irritates me when other players start to manipulate my words from their original intent.

Minions are meant to work with their master, not against him. But it's ok, I forgive you.
Are talking about me quoting your exact words with their exact intent and then posting my opinion on it? Why are you trying to appear scummy?

[FM Monroe]

What I picked up so far from reading today's chat

- Ballard, Colmyer, and Kalou were bussed. So someone out there has yet to reveal that they were bussed. This person is likely who has received the blackmail intended for Colmyer.

I agree that Colmyer was probably targeted by the bus driver, since Mafia wouldn't send a blackmail like that to himself. So whoever was bussed with Colmyer can be confirmed not mafia, and their posts should be read carefully because they will be blackmailed.
It has to be Ballard, Kalou, or the fourth who has yet to speak up. I suspect it's the one yet to reveal, since they want to prevent the blackmailer from blackmailing every night.
What are you rattling about? Nothing in your post explains why Colmyer was targeted by a Bus Driver and not a Kidnapper.

Where does the reasoning that a blackmailer wouldn't blackmail another mafia come from? Of course they wouldn't. But they can use the kidnapper to make that blackmail go to another target if they want to, right? Especially because Kidnapper goes before Bus Driver in the OoO, they could use this to make sure their blackmail reaches the intended target. This means it actually makes more sense that he was driven by a Kidnapper rather than a Bus Driver.

He claims he got "confirmation" and I've been waiting for him to elaborate on that. The fact that everyone is just taking it for granted that he got swapped by a bus driver is confusing the hell out of me.


Becket was lurky and only posted towards the latter end of day two with the sense making. Players like Morgan, Cohen, Paker, Ballard also made sense and were better targets than Becket. How you missed this I will never know.
They would not kill Cohen because Cafarelli is already pushing for a lynch on him during the day and they knew it would be continued today. Why kill him if they can just lynch him instead? Or if he really is mafia as Cafarelli says, why kill one of their own?

Morgan was actually very neutral during day 1 and while some things he did were informative, he was not scum hunting much and thus not an immediate threat. Some also said yesterday that they had their doubts about the legitimacy of his blackmail, which would be a reason not to kill him.

Parker's double blackmailer analysis was confusing and he failed to rally anyone to his cause. And that's what he spent most of his efforts on. The mafia would benefit from him being alive to continue pursuing a false lead (which, let's face it, it most likely is).

Ballard was very useful at the start of day 1, but the second half of that day and day 2 all he did was try to pressure Ackerman, which also seems to have been a waste of time at first glance. Although Ackerman did start to talk more. Either Ballard was right and the mafia doesn't want us to suspect Ackerman as a result of Ballard's death, or they want Ballard to keep pushing this lead.

I'm surprised you didn't mention yourself in that group of potential targets, by the way. I had you pegged as a rather influential individual on both days.

Becket being completely absent on day 1 is exactly why I don't see a consigliere investigating him night 2. At the start of the game with role quitters, it's more of a signal that he'd be just another cit. I don't think they could've had any information on him unless it was from random night 1. It's more likely that they thought he was stepping up his game and they wanted to rid themselves of him before he became a threat.

[FM Parker]

I wish I could contribute more, but everyone has already said a lot.

This is probably quite the useless post.

Carruthers, you have made a whopping four posts so far. Tell us what you think!


@Monroe, Colmyer's confirmation was the blackmail he posted.

[FM Black]

Are talking about me quoting your exact words with their exact intent and then posting my opinion on it? Why are you trying to appear scummy?

I was not referring to you or your posts.

[FM Carruthers]

Carruthers, you have made a whopping four posts so far. Tell us what you think!

I'd like to express that it's just stupid to do a Vote Train with just the claim of one person.

I find it fishy as claiming investigator would leave him/her self open to getting killed, it's more beneficial to avoid attention to gather more feedback while having a Last Will to share the clues unquestionably as we can see the confirmed role.

[FM Phelps]

You make my head hurt FM Monroe

[FM Galloway]

What are you rattling about? Nothing in your post explains why Colmyer was targeted by a Bus Driver and not a Kidnapper.

Where does the reasoning that a blackmailer wouldn't blackmail another mafia come from? Of course they wouldn't. But they can use the kidnapper to make that blackmail go to another target if they want to, right? Especially because Kidnapper goes before Bus Driver in the OoO, they could use this to make sure their blackmail reaches the intended target. This means it actually makes more sense that he was driven by a Kidnapper rather than a Bus Driver.

He claims he got "confirmation" and I've been waiting for him to elaborate on that. The fact that everyone is just taking it for granted that he got swapped by a bus driver is confusing the hell out of me.


They would not kill Cohen because Cafarelli is already pushing for a lynch on him during the day and they knew it would be continued today. Why kill him if they can just lynch him instead? Or if he really is mafia as Cafarelli says, why kill one of their own?

Insubtancual. It would have been easy to spur a mislynch on Carafelli assuming Cohen flipped town. Additionally Cohen showed promise as a town leader and mafia vs an organized town always comes out to a mafia loss assuming Cohen is not mafia in this scenario.

Morgan was actually very neutral during day 1 and while some things he did were informative, he was not scum hunting much and thus not an immediate threat. Some also said yesterday that they had their doubts about the legitimacy of his blackmail, which would be a reason not to kill him.

You are right but Morgan also showed promise in leading town and being influential. Assuming Morgan is town if they kill him it would be easy to try and mislynch Colymer the next day or two.

Parker's double blackmailer analysis was confusing and he failed to rally anyone to his cause. And that's what he spent most of his efforts on. The mafia would benefit from him being alive to continue pursuing a false lead (which, let's face it, it most likely is).

Parker attempted to out mafia roles and possiblities, however oddly, and that also benefits town greatly if we nail the rolelist. Again an organized town always causes a mafia loss.

Ballard was very useful at the start of day 1, but the second half of that day and day 2 all he did was try to pressure Ackerman, which also seems to have been a waste of time at first glance. Although Ackerman did start to talk more. Either Ballard was right and the mafia doesn't want us to suspect Ackerman as a result of Ballard's death, or they want Ballard to keep pushing this lead.

Ballard also showed promise in organizing town and ballard shows want to get people active from what I see. Both of these things can lead to a mafia loss.

I'm surprised you didn't mention yourself in that group of potential targets, by the way. I had you pegged as a rather influential individual on both days.

I excluded myself because I have not done anything notable as influnetial or town leading/organizing. All I am assigning myself to do is create posts and give out reads and the like.

Becket being completely absent on day 1 is exactly why I don't see a consigliere investigating him night 2. At the start of the game with role quitters, it's more of a signal that he'd be just another cit. I don't think they could've had any information on him unless it was from random night 1. It's more likely that they thought he was stepping up his game and they wanted to rid themselves of him before he became a threat.

on the bolded basis alone that would justify eliminating one of the more active leaders from the game and not some newly emerged poster.

[FM Cohen]

So I'm here now.

1- Cafarelli did not get my invest pairing right
2- anyone could have guessed rose was a delta after d1
3- Sheep are ignoring the obvious questions:
why did mafia not do anything to a claimed invest? drug, roleblock, bus her obvious target (me), blackmail cafarelli?

Since the only evidence against me is Cafarelli's word, I don't see any other way to defend myself other than to discredit her. So far my actions speek for themselves:

day 1
1- I thought I was poisoned, I told you guys
2- I tried to slow/stop a lynch on McKelty
3- Once day got to late, I decided that lynching is better than not lynching and McKelty was the only viable target (<= this is why Cafarelli wants me at L-1 now .. so that when the time comes to decide to lynch or not lynch, I'm the only viable target)
4- I was as open to you about my thoughts as I could, I didn't hide in the background.

day 2
1- I didn't die - told you I wasn't healed
2- Didn't share all my reads on people since I don't want to expose PRs
3- Lead a lynch train on Monroe (do you trust Monroe?)
4- Offered myself up as a roleblock target. (I wasn't roleblocked last night)

So here are some questions into your theory:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I plan an escape plan if I was using this gambit? aka have a drug dealer NOT do anything?
If I was mafia, wouldn't you think that the mafia would interfere with Cafarelli night action last night?
What would claiming poisoned do to benefit mafia? Targeting someone that the doctors are not is not very hard.
If I was mafia, would I want this much attention?
If I was neutral, would the mafia trust someone who defended a townie d1 and in my opinion lead a lynch train on one of their own d2? (not to mention the possible gambit that I mentioned yesterday for a townie to do)

Kidnapper is before bus driver in OoO, mafia could have killed Cafarelli last night if they wanted to. They didn't. Which is why I suspect they did something else. I'm obviously an easy target for day discussion, there is no evidence to support my poisoned claim and so far no evidence to disprove it.

I do have one more theory as to why Cafarelli is focused on me, but I can't talk about it since it involves COMs.

[FM Mendez]

What are you rattling about? Nothing in your post explains why Colmyer was targeted by a Bus Driver and not a Kidnapper.

Where does the reasoning that a blackmailer wouldn't blackmail another mafia come from? Of course they wouldn't. But they can use the kidnapper to make that blackmail go to another target if they want to, right? Especially because Kidnapper goes before Bus Driver in the OoO, they could use this to make sure their blackmail reaches the intended target. This means it actually makes more sense that he was driven by a Kidnapper rather than a Bus Driver.

He claims he got "confirmation" and I've been waiting for him to elaborate on that. The fact that everyone is just taking it for granted that he got swapped by a bus driver is confusing the hell out of me.

Okay i'll hold your hand while we go through it.

My post was a response to another about how Colmyers blackmail was bussed onto someone else.


Do you honestly think they would purposely send that blackmail to Colmyer? It doesn't make more sense, because what would they gain by having him post every other time defending himself?



You have been blackmailed. Here is a note listing the blackmailer's demands:

In at least every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Colmyer without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If there is no posts fosing or lynchvoting FM Colmyer, post analysis on why you think FM Colmyer is town. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night.

It's much more likely he was bussed than Mafia purposely sending this to Colmyer. The rest of my reasoning was based upon him being bussed, which is the only problem you had?

@FM Black. Ok. Please ignore that then

[FM Galloway]

I'd like to express that it's just stupid to do a Vote Train with just the claim of one person.

I find it fishy as claiming investigator would leave him/her self open to getting killed, it's more beneficial to avoid attention to gather more feedback while having a Last Will to share the clues unquestionably as we can see the confirmed role.

But if we do not follow the leads presented to us we get nowhere. If we ignore everyone who attempted to present a suitable lead/read the town would always lose because no one take a chance. Caution is great but abstantion is not.

[FM Monroe]

Carruthers, you have made a whopping four posts so far. Tell us what you think!

@Monroe, Colmyer's confirmation was the blackmail he posted.
Oh, I see now. Thanks for pointing it out. I seem to have a tendency to miss stuff that is said at the start of a day 0.o

[FM Black]

I can see why mafia would not target caff after the invest claim due the fact that caff herself has a chance at being lynch because she is now a FoS.

Mafia would prefer to choose more town approved players

[FM Morgan]

Brothers... I have returned... I was witched last night. Also, I was BMed yesterday, and I realize I made a mistake in not holding it out to today instead. It was the same BM as Colmyer's yesterday. That shitty ass play was the most retarded piece of wanna-be literature I have ever read.

Black: Claimed PR out of nowhere, then claimed that he didn't claim TPR, which means he was calling himself scum.

Cohen:

Caf: I felt he was a Savage yesterday, yet I sincerely doubt that the Masons wouldn't have targeted him yesterday, so that makes me think he is a possible legitimate Investigator. I sincerely doubt he is an Executioner. I personally think we would have one anti-town Epsilon (Executioner/Jester/Corrupt Journalist) and one that could possible work with us (Survivor/Amnesiac/Student), and the Corrupt Journalist is now dead. Yet he might be a possible a Consig who is trying to lynch a PR and then when he flips PR say "Oh, I'm only an Investigator, I couldn't have known".

Earle: Scum trying to appear townish. Repeats previously said statements.

Ryan: My suspicion of him has been growing each day. D1 he claimed he would try to post more, yet D2 showed no difference. He refused to vote anyone, possibly thinking he would lynch an ally. Huge periods of absence, I don't like him.

Anyone else you want me to talk about?

[FM Green]

Wow I'm surprised everyone looked over Cohen's post.

[FM Morgan]

Oh yes, on Cohen, I forgot to refill his as I typed it up before his defense post and removed it after I saw he had posted it.

Cohen: I personally think his defense is well thought out, and he strikes many points such as Rose being an obvious Delta, and how we are lynching based off Caf's word. However I do not like how he used the, "If I was mafia..." thing. Also, the Mafia probably did mess with Caf's result. It is quite possible.

[FM Galloway]

Brothers... I have returned... I was witched last night. Also, I was BMed yesterday, and I realize I made a mistake in not holding it out to today instead. It was the same BM as Colmyer's yesterday. That shitty ass play was the most retarded piece of wanna-be literature I have ever read.

Black: Claimed PR out of nowhere, then claimed that he didn't claim TPR, which means he was calling himself scum.

Cohen:

Caf: I felt he was a Savage yesterday, yet I sincerely doubt that the Masons wouldn't have targeted him yesterday, so that makes me think he is a possible legitimate Investigator. I sincerely doubt he is an Executioner. I personally think we would have one anti-town Epsilon (Executioner/Jester/Corrupt Journalist) and one that could possible work with us (Survivor/Amnesiac/Student), and the Corrupt Journalist is now dead. Yet he might be a possible a Consig who is trying to lynch a PR and then when he flips PR say "Oh, I'm only an Investigator, I couldn't have known".

Earle: Scum trying to appear townish. Repeats previously said statements.

Ryan: My suspicion of him has been growing each day. D1 he claimed he would try to post more, yet D2 showed no difference. He refused to vote anyone, possibly thinking he would lynch an ally. Huge periods of absence, I don't like him.

Anyone else you want me to talk about?


Yes actually.

Myself, Mendez, and Ackermann/Chapman.

Myself - in order to get a more valid basis of your abilities and analysis skill.
Mendez - To see how you handle fairly large questioning posts
Ackermann/Chapman - To see how you handle lurkish players with no inclination to scumhunt, mostly.
All three - To get a feel for how you play and how these players present themselves to you.

[FM Cohen]

I can see why mafia would not target caff after the invest claim due the fact that caff herself has a chance at being lynch because she is now a FoS.

Mafia would prefer to choose more town approved players

So you are basically saying that mafia would let her investigate me, then hope to lynch her today which would reveal that she is an invest.. wouldn't this confirm me as scum? Doesn't make sense to me.

btw: I don't believe ColMyer is blackmailed today... and doubt his bus claim. which is why I'm not leaving out the possibility that mafia BMed Cafarelli to claim that.

[FM Green]

Everything that I've read about Cohen leads me to believe that he is town.

FM Cafarelli

[FM Mendez]

I didn't want to keep editing my post after everyone posted, glad people didn't get overzealous with lynching Cohen.

My only question to Cohen and Morgan is what drug could they have used on Cafarelli? Sending a fake investigation drug wouldn't stop her from receiving the actual investigative result and she would've told us.

I'm going to eat dinner for now and check back in later

[FM Parker]

Of course, you could go with their being two blackmailers. One for Colmyer and one for Cafarelli. I find it more likely Cafarelli is drugged over being bmed though, drugged would leave her with no clue and can be timed to a specific date. Yet, something's not right. That is the most logical conclusion Cafarelli is drugged but I get the feeling something's missing.

I don't think Cafarelli was drugged. I think she's guessing. Yet, I pretty much said yesterday I'd push for a lynch on her if she got the pairing wrong. So anything else that requires a drug dealer I will be suspicious on.

Would a drugged investigator still receive their proper feedback or only the feedback the mafia wanted them to see?

[FM Phelps]

There is no drug who would achieve a wrong read for a real investigator. The only possibility is that FM Cohen was swapped with somebody else or somebody is just claiming bs here which is the more realistic solution.

[FM Phelps]

Sure or she is blackmailed or cohen is. I am losing hair here!

[FM Ryan]

Sorry I was catching up on sleep and work and other things that relate to other parts of the site. Also got IP banned for a short amount of time for no reason >.>

I didn't support the lynch yesterday because I feel that it would have just been another town lynch. However I am seeing a lot more information being revealed today.

Food for thought: Soma is a thing right? So DD or BM could visit and affect 2 people. What if the BM's yesterday were all legit?

[FM Buchwalter]

Feedback Claims:
Godfather

killed Becket

Blackmailer

blackmailed Colmyer

Escort / Consort

blocked Black
blocked Kelso

Bus Driver / Kidnapper

bussed Ballard
bussed Colmyer
bussed Kalou

Journalist / Corrupted Journalist

interviewd unknown

Witch

witched Morgan



Notable Posts:

Black

Claims PR? [#31] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321770&viewfull=1#post321770)

Buchwalter

Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=318167&viewfull=1#post318167)
Day 2 version of this list. [D2 #783] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320823&viewfull=1#post320823)

Cafarelli

As self-claimed Investigator, calls out to lynch Cohen. [#46] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321805&viewfull=1#post321805)

Cohen

First post, tring to defend him self. [#213] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=322025&viewfull=1#post322025)

Colmyer

Claims blackmailed, with message and all. [#54] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321819&viewfull=1#post321819)
Claims Delta. [#68] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321833&viewfull=1#post321833)

Morgan

Claims blackmailed night 2 and witched night 3. [#218] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=322030&viewfull=1#post322030)



Lynch Trains:

Cafarelli

Opsessed with getting Cohen lynched, but have no proof other then his word. [#46] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321805&viewfull=1#post321805)

Cohen

Been checked by Cafarelli (self-claimed Investigator), and appear as "Drug Dealer / Kidnapper / Blacksmith / Bus Driver / Vigilante / Veteran / Arsonist / Student" [#46] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=321805&viewfull=1#post321805)



Still have not gotten some of the expected feedback, missing at least one role-blocked and one bussed feedback. Anyone forgetting or withholding anything?

[FM Phelps]

The only ones who would have given soma out last night would have been the Masons. The Mayor will probably do it tonight or not. I hope he does not!

[Dunn]

Hi I'm checking in. I hope to contribute more today. Reading now. Nothing happened to me.

[FM Buchwalter]

Sorry I was catching up on sleep and work and other things that relate to other parts of the site. Also got IP banned for a short amount of time for no reason >.>

That is maybe saying a little to much about you COM? Just saying.


Food for thought: Soma is a thing right? So DD or BM could visit and affect 2 people. What if the BM's yesterday were all legit?

Soma was given night 2 to Alpha roles, that would mean Mayor and Masons. They could have passed it on to someone else night 3, but no one other then Alpha roles could have used it yet.

[FM Cohen]

I'll be back in 4ish hours.

[FM Morgan]

Yes actually.

Myself, Mendez, and Ackermann/Chapman.

Myself - in order to get a more valid basis of your abilities and analysis skill.
Mendez - To see how you handle fairly large questioning posts
Ackermann/Chapman - To see how you handle lurkish players with no inclination to scumhunt, mostly.
All three - To get a feel for how you play and how these players present themselves to you.

Galloway: I personally find it strange how you changed so miraculously D1 from someone I thought to be a little kid raging to someone with actual intelligence. You're posts after your sudden change have seemed helpful, yet you seem to discredit alot of things like D1 post 449 you seemed to hammer down on Cohen's thoughts. You seem experienced as you knew about previous FMs which meant you at least took the time to read those to gain possible ideas. Yet D1 you claimed that it was your first FM and that your brother was a more experienced person, and now you seem to know about things from past FMs -I'm probably missing something here-. Although you do give out very good explanations of most things you post.

Mendez: States alot of info which I would assume most people already know and posts that are utterly useless and waste soace. Her post count seems like it is just enough for her to slip by most people. Aka around the scum level.

Ackerman: Hasn't posted at all today, despite the time. If he doesn't post within 2-5 hours I'm assuming he is scum. Posts useless posts that are obvious to others to stay under the radar. Seems to put alot of pressure on Ballard whom in my opinion is a pro-town player, and states the only reason is because he is "Messed up" on D2 post 35.

Chapman: Another posted who hasn't posted today. Soft claimed Vig D1 by stating he would shoot people. Has the post count of what you would expect from a Vigilante, however that soft claim ruins that whole thing, which makes me suspect he is newer, or scum. Possibly both.

[FM Morgan]

Sorry I was catching up on sleep and work and other things that relate to other parts of the site. Also got IP banned for a short amount of time for no reason >.>

I didn't support the lynch yesterday because I feel that it would have just been another town lynch. However I am seeing a lot more information being revealed today.

Food for thought: Soma is a thing right? So DD or BM could visit and affect 2 people. What if the BM's yesterday were all legit?

IP banned... I find that as a sad excuse.

[FM Ryan]

That is maybe saying a little to much about you COM? Just saying.



Soma was given night 2 to Alpha roles, that would mean Mayor and Masons. They could have passed it on to someone else night 3, but no one other then Alpha roles could have used it yet.

Oh ok so there was a delay in the Soma. Then never mind my thought. I don't see how that it revealed too much about my COM.

FM Cohen

I guess I will join this train.



Oh I'm sorry Morgan, I didn't know I was looking for your approval for my reasons of being away.

[FM Parker]

Sorry I was catching up on sleep and work and other things that relate to other parts of the site. Also got IP banned for a short amount of time for no reason >.>

I didn't support the lynch yesterday because I feel that it would have just been another town lynch. However I am seeing a lot more information being revealed today.

Food for thought: Soma is a thing right? So DD or BM could visit and affect 2 people. What if the BM's yesterday were all legit?

The first possible use of soma would be tonight. The alphas were the only ones given soma and the only alphas are town. I don't expect an increase in mafia actions tomorrow unless the mafia killed the soma passer.

Alphas receive... last night.
Alphas use/pass... last night.
Target receives... today.
First possible use... tonight.

@Congressman Ryan, what are your thoughts on Cohen and Cafarelli... can both be innocent?

@Buchwalter, if even after pressure the lurker won't reveal, there is not much we can do.

[FM Morgan]

Oh ok so there was a delay in the Soma. Then never mind my thought. I don't see how that it revealed too much about my COM.

FM Cohen

I guess I will join this train.



Oh I'm sorry Morgan, I didn't know I was looking for your approval for my reasons of being away.

I was not trying to give any approval. I just find you scummy.

[FM Galloway]

I was not trying to give any approval. I just find you scummy.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that according to information I have available ryan is legit about the ip ban but everything else is scummy about him.

Also well done on the post before. it was very to the point, had insight and contained a conclusion, mostly.
I'm confident in giving you town for the time being.

[FM Green]

Oh ok so there was a delay in the Soma. Then never mind my thought. I don't see how that it revealed too much about my COM.

FM Cohen

I guess I will join this train.



Oh I'm sorry Morgan, I didn't know I was looking for your approval for my reasons of being away.

Did you read Cohens defense? Do you stick with your vote?


Also - for those looking to contribute more, find a few players, go into their post history and do an analysis of them. Itll give you a good grasp of what their post style is like and what they believe.

[FM Ryan]

@Parker, I highly doubt that they are both innocent. Maybe one of them, but not both. Hence why I joined the Cohen train.

I didn't read too much into Soma since it isnt useful for me.

I did read his defense but I still think he is a good candidate

[Dunn]

FM Cohen

My inclination is to join on Cohen for the time being. We don't appear to have feedback to match any of the town possibilities hat Cafaralli says he would have to be, and Cafaralli; I believe, claims to have been feedback blocked on night 1. Yes?
This would fully confirm a Drug Dealer over a healed Poisoning, or Blackmailers pawned off as Drug Dealers. The others could exist but a Drug Dealer would be guaranteed, as well as a Kidnapper seeming likely as well after 4 driven feedbacks yesterday.

[FM Phelps]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that according to information I have available ryan is legit about the ip ban but everything else is scummy about him.

Also well done on the post before. it was very to the point, had insight and contained a conclusion, mostly.
I'm confident in giving you town for the time being.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFXMYQFIUlcyem1P6AGf8VbOt7wnQ0s Si0OIpSzggzaBrye7VE

[FM Morgan]

Personally, I like Cohen's defense, yet I also do not believe Caf is scum. If he had been scum I would have expected him to be a Savage. Yet I doubt the Mason's didn't attempt to club him last night.

I am sticking with my FOS.

FM Ryan

[FM Mendez]

Back.

@Morgan why did you complete the blackmail on the first day? I had you pegged as one of the smarter analyzers, and this confused me. Please don't tell me it's because of the threat. Also, why did you wait for so long after Colmyer to post yourself?

Also while you are giving reads can you tell me your thoughts on
-Earle
-Monroe
-Black

[FM Black]

Black is a cool guy

[FM Phelps]

Black is a cool guy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sd52CRt6-DM

[FM Morgan]

Back.

@Morgan why did you complete the blackmail on the first day? I had you pegged as one of the smarter analyzers, and this confused me. Please don't tell me it's because of the threat. Also, why did you wait for so long after Colmyer to post yourself?

Also while you are giving reads can you tell me your thoughts on
-Earle
-Monroe
-Black

1.) It was a mistake. I admitted I made one.
2.) Time zones. I woke up that day at 7:00 Central Time, then I went to school and arrived back at 4:30.

Earle: Check my first post of the day.
Black: Check my first post of the day.
Monroe: Seems intelligent. I am unsure of why people tried to lead a train on him yesterday, yet deny it today. He seems town to me. His false Mayor claim was likely as he called it, a joke. Yet if he was blackmailed he could have claimed it today, which means he wasn't.

[FM Monroe]

For the record, I was not blackmailed yesterday.

[FM Parker]

Feedback Claims:
Godfather

killed Becket

Blackmailers or Drug Dealers

blackmailed Colmyer
blackmailed/drugged Cafarelli (Supposing she's innocent here, big stretch here... can't see Cohen lying about his investigative pairing).
blackmailed/drugged John Doe (We're missing a bus driven/blackmailed feedback

Escort / Consort

blocked Black
blocked Kelso

Bus Driver / Kidnapper

bussed Ballard
bussed Colmyer
bussed Kalou

Journalist / Corrupted Journalist

interviewd unknown

Witch

witched Morgan