Night Three

[FM Attila]

Fairly successful day I believe. Thoughts and comments?

[FM Leonardo]

Ah, you beat me to starting the thread. Probably because I was typing a long post. Anyway, here it is:

Hey guys, before we start tonight's discussion I would like to apologize to all of you as well as both of our lovely hosts for the way I acted in our last night chat. I was a bit upset because I felt so powerless- it seemed like every time I came up with an idea for how to use my ability and asked the hosts about it, I was always turned down. For some reason I got really upset, and I kind of lashed out in this chat. So I'm really sorry for that.

But I think last night we found a winner. Not necessarily the task itself (though it was useful, we may decide on other things we like better), but the portion I included that basically threatened them to complete the task on the first day of the blackmail or we would kill them at night. Both targets responded well to this (ie. they attempted to complete the task on the first day) so I think that I will include it in all future blackmails.

I have also written some notes down throughout the day that may be useful to us in selecting our actions for tonight.

Notes:
Chapman and Monroe possibly mason together (post #576)

Earle claims coroner? (post #747)


One action I highly recommend is to drug no feedback to Cafarelli. This effectively roleblocks him, but leaves our consort free to roleblock another target. Another thing we could do is have our other drug dealer deal false investigative results to Cafarelli. Since the no-feedback doesn't block feedback we cause, he would still get our false feedback, but he wouldn't get his original feedback, so he'd think the results we give him are accurate. The problem with this is that it uses both of our drug dealers as a framer for a night. And we run the risk that he'll check one of us and we'll frame ourselves. So if you think it's too risky, we can just block his feedback in order to roleblock him.

Thoughts?

[FM Ferengi]

Announcement: For the drug dealers, please specify exactly who will be performing which action. It was a bit hectic yesterday with the drug dealers each posting two possible actions for themselves. I will continue to use the same night action submission rules as yesterday, but for clarity of coordination with your team and communication with the hosts, please try to clearly differentiate which drug dealer will perform which action.

[FM Attila]

Cafarelli was way way to easily pushed into revealing all of his information into leading a lynch on Cohen that went no where. He flip flopped so much throughout the day, regarding rose and stuff, that his credibility is almost at zero from what I see. I believe he is a savage inves and will be clubbed tonight. Beyond that however is the deal with earle. He easily claimed and lurked. Its just so odd it boggles my mind. I feel very confident about the distance we put on ourselves and the reactions we gave between each other and others. I believe this will help keep us from being found out by the normal means of scumhunting.

Things I want to talk about here is where our next kill is going. Something makes me believe that Parker should be taken out fairly quickly. While his suggestions and thoughts are very beneficial to us he stepped up, from what I read, and tried leading town onto a lynch or so. iirc. correct if wrong please. Parker is giving all the classical signs of a support role from my reads and support roles are disasterous long term for us.


About Chapman and Monroe
That is a definate possibility but it is just as likely that Chapman is an investigative and checked Monroe. That or those two are Savages and bad at life. Either way it would be worthy to note them in the future.

[FM Attila]

We definately should prevent feedback on Carafelli tonight however just to be on the safe side. Thats my vote

[FM Leonardo]

We definately should prevent feedback on Carafelli tonight however just to be on the safe side. Thats my vote

Yeah. I do think he's likely to be a savage. But I was thinking just in case, we might as well.

[FM Vespasian]

Player
Night 1
Night 2
Night 3
Night 4
Night 5
Night 6


FM Ackerman








FM Ballard








FM Becket








FM Bekowsky

blocked






FM Biggs
witched
witched






FM Bishop
BMed
killed






FM Black








FM Buchwalter

blocked






FM Cafarelli
druged (PF)







FM Carruthers








FM Chapman

blocked






FM Cohen
posioned







FM Colmyer
blocked
druged (BM)






FM Donnelly








FM Dunn

bussed






FM Earle








FM Fontaine








FM Gage
killed







FM Galletta
blocked







FM Galloway

bussed






FM Green








FM Hogeboom
bussed







FM Hopgood
blocked







FM Kalou








FM Kelso
druged (PF)







FM Leary








FM Lichtmann

bussed






FM Mason
bussed







FM McKelty
BS item







FM Mendez
bussed







FM Monroe
bussed
bussed






FM Morgan

BMed






FM Parker








FM Phelps








FM Rose








FM Ryan








These are all the actions we know took place.


Bolded actions = Public and was revealed during the day.
Italic actions = We know happened but was not revealed during the day


Uncolored = Unsure and/or can not be verified.
Red = Mafia member or action.
Green = Town member or action.
White = Lie or impossible.

[FM Leonardo]

Something else occurred to me. The only reason the witch would choose biggs twice in a row is if something good happened the first time. So my guess is that Biggs was witched onto Gage night one and the witch assumed that Biggs was the godfather. Unless the witch witched biggs onto Bishop last night, I'm assuming the witch will pick another target. She might go with Cafarelli, the claimed investigator. If she does, and we use our no-feedback drug on him, we'll know if no one claims witched. I'm not sure who else the witch might target based solely on the day chat, so if she decides against Cafarelli, it might be random and we'll just have to hope it isn't one of us.

[FM Leonardo]

Oh, and it since both Morgan and Colmyer went for the blackmail on the first day, it appears they want to stay alive. It might be worth killing one and roleblocking the other, although the kill might be risky since a doc might be on one of them. Though my guess is the doc would choose colmyer just because he was in the spotlight more and was the first of the two to show he was blackmailed. Just some random thoughts I wanted to put in here before I forget. I'll come back and analyze more later.

[FM Vespasian]

Carafelli:

Kill him.

Using Kidnapper.
This would fuel the lynch train on Cohen. I'm unsure if this is something we want yet.

Witched drug.

Maybe the Witch has this idea already?
Maybe too easy to see as fake and then have no effect.

Investigator feedback drug.

If Carafelli gets two investigative feedbacks, he will have to guess witch one is right.
Could use a "Mafia Godfather / Savage Godfather / Mayor / Delta / Jester / Survivor" but it may be too obvious.
Using another investigative pair may have a better effect.
In the likelihood that Carafelli then gets two of the same investigative pair (one of them from us). It would have been best if it is the Delta pairing.

Prevent feedback drug.

Makes Carafelli look even more suspicious, unless someone else can confirm him.
Will reveal that we have two Drug Dealers if our other drug-action is also obvious.

Role-block drug.

Carafelli will be wondering if the investigative feedback was given by us, or is the role-block was fake. There are three role-blockers, if Consort take a rest tonight this would look really confusing.

Do nothing.

The chance of him wanting to check one of us seem slim, we could get some information this way.
This could fuel the lynch train on Cohen, but may also clear him? I'm unsure if this is something we want yet either.

[FM Vespasian]

So i suggest we just keep focused on our own mess.
Morgan and Colmyer both seem to have finished their tasks, right?

Question is, do we want them to tell everyone that we have a Blackmailer? or that they were both blackmailed on the same day?
Some of the confusion right now is they people think it was a blackmail from night 1, if we can keep them thinking that it would only be great.

I'm thinking a little that we should fake a Poisoner again, but this would put at least maybe me in the spotlight as i was role-blocked last night.
Unless we fake an attack on someone we think may get healed (maybe Carafelli), and then kill Colmyer. Everyone would think that Colmyer was poisoned night 2 along with his blackmail, all his talk about "Doctor" and "Save me" only helps it.
Problem is if Colmyer really is healed, maybe use the Kidnapper to swap and then kill Colmyer.

Poisoner kill look the same as a normal Mafia hit, right?

Then we can also fake a poisoning and bring the Mafia role list confusion back into full spin.

Suggested actions for this idea:

Godfather: Attack FM Parker
1st DDer: Fake attacked&healed on FM Carafelli
2nd DDer: Fake poisoning on FM Galletta
Kidnapper: Swap FM Parker & FM Colmyer
Consort: Block FM Colmyer
Blackmailer: Blackmail Morgan again? With same?


Only flaw i can see in this plan, so far. Why would Colmyer have preformed the task on the first day of the blackmail if he should have waited and told everyone that he was poisoned? Possible answer is that he was blackmailed night 1!

I do not know what we think about all the crap about Monroe tough. I do see him becoming a problem later on.

[FM Vespasian]

Only flaw i can see in this plan, so far. Why would Colmyer have preformed the task on the first day of the blackmail if he should have waited and told everyone that he was poisoned? Possible answer is that he was blackmailed night 1!

Another flaw would be if one of us is role-blocked (again), or if Carafelli dies doing the night.

[FM Ferengi]

Morgan and Colmyer both seem to have finished their tasks, right?

Looks like it to me. I told Leonardo, but I'll tell you guys as well: can you help me double check the lines? If by 24 hours into night nobody points out any errors, I'll count it as being successfully completed.



Poisoner kill look the same as a normal Mafia hit, right?

Yes.

[FM Leonardo]

Suggested actions for this idea:

Godfather: Attack FM Parker
1st DDer: Fake attacked&healed on FM Carafelli
2nd DDer: Fake poisoning on FM Galletta
Kidnapper: Swap FM Parker & FM Colmyer
Consort: Block FM Colmyer
Blackmailer: Blackmail Morgan again? With same?



To be honest, I'm not worried about Parker. He seems to like me and agrees with practically everything I say. And nothing he's said has worried me. Thought apparently a couple of you feel differently, so later I'll re-read his posts and see if I find anything troubling.

Personally, I don't want either of the blackmailed targets to be able to claim being blackmailed tomorrow. I think it could be a nuisance. I'll check later to make sure that Morgan has completed his blackmail. I might have to look through his posts again and make sure they were all completely unaltered quotes from the play. If he did complete it, I think it might be worth killing him and blackmailing colmyer (for real). If we kill one of them (Morgan) and he flips town, and the other claims blackmailed, it could create doubt about Colmyer's claim. But it might not.

I also think that at some point, one of us can claim blackmailed. It's a bit risky, but could pay off if the town trusts the person more afterward.

[FM Vespasian]

Looks like it to me. I told Leonardo, but I'll tell you guys as well: can you help me double check the lines? If by 24 hours into night nobody points out any errors, I'll count it as being successfully completed.

Only post my Morgan that I'm unsure of it this one: [#495] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320339&viewfull=1#post320339). Can you confirm that one Leonardo?

[FM Vespasian]

Only post by Morgan that I'm unsure of it this one: [#495] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320339&viewfull=1#post320339). Can you confirm that one Leonardo?

Wish I could edit posts.

[FM Vespasian]

Only post by Morgan that I'm unsure of is this one: [#495] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320339&viewfull=1#post320339). Can you confirm that one Leonardo?

Really really wish I could edit posts.

[FM Vespasian]

To be honest, I'm not worried about Parker. He seems to like me and agrees with practically everything I say. And nothing he's said has worried me. Thought apparently a couple of you feel differently, so later I'll re-read his posts and see if I find anything troubling.

It is not because of what Parker does doing the day that I think we should role-block him. It is because I think he may be a Doctor.


Parker is possibly doctor.

Alphege Suggested this night 2 as well.

[Alphege]

Parker's first post of today mentioned a doctor. Just saying.

[Alphege]

So i suggest we just keep focused on our own mess.
Morgan and Colmyer both seem to have finished their tasks, right?

Question is, do we want them to tell everyone that we have a Blackmailer? or that they were both blackmailed on the same day?
Some of the confusion right now is they people think it was a blackmail from night 1, if we can keep them thinking that it would only be great.

I'm thinking a little that we should fake a Poisoner again, but this would put at least maybe me in the spotlight as i was role-blocked last night.
Unless we fake an attack on someone we think may get healed (maybe Carafelli), and then kill Colmyer. Everyone would think that Colmyer was poisoned night 2 along with his blackmail, all his talk about "Doctor" and "Save me" only helps it.
Problem is if Colmyer really is healed, maybe use the Kidnapper to swap and then kill Colmyer.

Poisoner kill look the same as a normal Mafia hit, right?

Then we can also fake a poisoning and bring the Mafia role list confusion back into full spin.

Suggested actions for this idea:

Godfather: Attack FM Parker
1st DDer: Fake attacked&healed on FM Carafelli
2nd DDer: Fake poisoning on FM Galletta
Kidnapper: Swap FM Parker & FM Colmyer
Consort: Block FM Colmyer
Blackmailer: Blackmail Morgan again? With same?


Only flaw i can see in this plan, so far. Why would Colmyer have preformed the task on the first day of the blackmail if he should have waited and told everyone that he was poisoned? Possible answer is that he was blackmailed night 1!

I do not know what we think about all the crap about Monroe tough. I do see him becoming a problem later on.

This plan seems like a good way to frame Cohen further. Could we discuss who we think are our allies?

[Alphege]

However, I have to contest the use of the Kidnapper in relation to any power other than the kill. It is too blatantly a Kidnapper when used with a role block or blackmail. Only the kill is a safe use, since the person can't claim. Then we create a lack of feedback, cause confusion to investigative roles, and make people question the kidnapper/blackmailer/drug dealer situation, as well as the existence of poisoner.

[FM Attila]

Using poisned now after all that happened is not a good idea at all. Town will auto know that it is fake and ignore it.

[FM Spartacus]

I've never kissed a girl before.

[FM Spartacus]

Save me.

[FM Spartacus]

Baby baby baby.

[FM Spartacus]

OPEN YOUR FUCKING LEGS.

[FM Spartacus]

FM Kalou wrote:


Oh, Hello again. I just like to say Hello.

Anyone got the current votecount on Monroe? I don't feel the need to cause an accidental end to the day early and cause a lynch ANY time soon.

I am paying attention to the happenings of the day, and I feel that acting as a fake mayor is never a cool thing to do, even if one ends up as a citizen. It takes away from the town's ability to focus on the real threats. I just wanted to hear his thoughts on why he would do such at hing,.

That's a stealth claim for Mayor. His whole play style so far looks pretty much like it. I would shoot him if i could.

Who would you give soma tonight if you were the Mayor?

[FM Spartacus]

I'll be anything you need.

[FM Spartacus]

FM Kalou wrote post 1


Broke my wrist today, will be catching up extremely soon with the reading.

i really wanted to make myself known... hopefully my injury doesn't impede me from participating

-reveal horny!

post 2


-vote FM Monroe


A good pressure vote will help us gather information on a person that would troll reveal as a Mayor.

his only argument for voting him is his fake claim as ... Mayor :P


Well and the rest is really bad filler material. Oh well.

FM Parker has some sort of leading position right now.

FM Cohen stepped down a bit. I think he was the 2. interviewee. Journalist is a good way to grant a poisoned target a last will. But Cohen clearly tries to gambit here. He picked the feedback of doom in his article. So he could accuse a scummy target with his investigator claim on Day 2. Too bad FM Cafarelli came first. Chances are pretty good that cohen is a delta or a jester. We shouldn't kill him tonight.

FM Cafarelli will have his fun with the anti cult police tonight. He might decide to check Galloway tonight because he has some problems to hide his alignment. But i am fairly sure that he is not culted.

FM Monroe is a good kill target. He is gaining trust again and his logic isn't that bad unlike FM Parker's role. We might consider killing FM Morgan as well. He had no chance to contribute and if we take him out tonight he wont even have a last will.

If FM Cafarelli is really an investigator we know now that FM Rose is a savageGF/delta it might be wise to use him as kidnapper to hide our own alignments.

[FM Spartacus]

FM Kelso hits me as smart town who is holding back. TPR. Would shoot him.

[FM Spartacus]

FM Becket is a good night kill as well. His last 4 posts today had a lot of weight and i hate fatties!

[FM Leonardo]

Only post my Morgan that I'm unsure of it this one: [#495] (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20009-Day-2?p=320339&viewfull=1#post320339). Can you confirm that one Leonardo?

I looked once and didn't find it. But I think it odd that all of his other posts would fit and he would throw out something random that wasn't in there, so I'll check one more time to be sure. Any of you are also free to check as well.

[FM Leonardo]

Ah. Found it. Yeah, that post is clear.

[FM Spartacus]

It would be very nice if the other mafia members would finally pick an avatar for their night chat accounts. I can't remember dem names gud.

[FM Leonardo]

FM Becket is a good night kill as well. His last 4 posts today had a lot of weight and i hate fatties!

I have no problem with Beckett. He's really pushing town to lynch. I think we should let him live so he can keep pushing. The more they lynch town, the easier our job will be. And so far we have no reason to believe any of us are at risk for being lynched, so I say we help him help us.

[FM Spartacus]

I have no problem with Beckett. He's really pushing town to lynch. I think we should let him live so he can keep pushing. The more they lynch town, the easier our job will be. And so far we have no reason to believe any of us are at risk for being lynched, so I say we help him help us.

We don't want a coordinated town. Our team is focused on maximum distraction. He thought that Monroe and Cohen are scum. Killing him tonight will actually help us to get one or the other lynched tomorrow. I am quite sure a sheriff/inves role will check one or the other tonight.

We might consider kidnapping Cohen or Monroe tonight to mess it even more up. We know for a fact that Monroe didn't claim his N1 swapping which is a town tell. If we drive him with one of us and he has to reveal all his feedback he might be lynched tomorrow.

[FM Spartacus]

Also guys check if you were interviewed tonight on your other account.

[FM Spartacus]

I guess Colmyr gets interviewed tonight.

[Alphege]

I am not interviewed

[FM Leonardo]

I also was not interviewed. I bet the hosts have learned from Fragos' mistake in FM 17 and will probably send the interview feedback to both of our accounts so that we don't miss it. I agree that Colmyer is a likely interview target tonight. That's one of the reasons it might be worth it to kill him tonight.

[FM Spartacus]

However, I have to contest the use of the Kidnapper in relation to any power other than the kill. It is too blatantly a Kidnapper when used with a role block or blackmail. Only the kill is a safe use, since the person can't claim. Then we create a lack of feedback, cause confusion to investigative roles, and make people question the kidnapper/blackmailer/drug dealer situation, as well as the existence of poisoner.

We can easily use the Kidnapper to kill anyone we want as long one drug dealer drugs somebody with a bus drive. This would be a good test for tonight for our kill target. Blackmail drug someone, drug a swap, blackmail somebody kidnap kill a target. I consider blocking FM Kelso for tonight.

[FM Spartacus]

Let's brainstorm some LAWL YOU ARE BLACKMAILED! Things for tonight! Daychat needs more LAWL!

[FM Spartacus]

Let's let them sing some songs in a stupid language like swedish with words out of this song. This would make my day :D



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVYvozAWPtc

[Alphege]

If we blackmail drug then we should do that to someone that has been blackmailed, say Morgan.

[FM Spartacus]

The other way around is way smarter.

[Alphege]

Which way?

[FM Spartacus]

i'd say blackmail morgan again and drug someone new in talking shit at day.

[FM Spartacus]

The thing is. WHAT IF LOOKOUT? I am pretty sure this setup has one :(

[FM Spartacus]

Also if i were a Bodyguard i would sit on Colmyr tonight just saying. Noob mafia always kills their blackmailed targets sooner or later.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Hey guys. I think I scumtelled holding my vote on Monroe for so long. Oh well, I didn't have time to come on later and unvote.


We can easily use the Kidnapper to kill anyone we want as long one drug dealer drugs somebody with a bus drive. This would be a good test for tonight for our kill target. Blackmail drug someone, drug a swap, blackmail somebody kidnap kill a target. I consider blocking FM Kelso for tonight.

I like this idea. Why do you suspect Kelso needs to be roleblocked though?

If we send a fake soma drug. Are we allowed to send a fake message with it?
If so, we could use this as a way to mislead or cause confusion. Or just message somebody that we are not sure of, without wasting a blackmail.

I think for tonight, we should use our blackmail on either Colmyer or Morgan again. Something along the lines to make them say the other one was faking their blackmail. I suggest we blackmail Colmyer into accusing Morgan.

We could keep preventing information like we did yesterday, but I think it would be better for us to cause some kind of misinformation.

Or we could just skip that and cause suspicion on Morgan by killing Colmyer (with gf/kidnapper combo)

Consider these night actions

Godfather kills Kalou
Kidnapper swaps Colymer with Kalou (said this way, so if bus driver targets colmyer...they will just rebus earle. This would redirect our kill though to bus drivers choice I think) If Kidnapper is RB'd we still hit Kalou, who is a suspected Mayor.
Drug dealer send bussed feedback to Ackerman*
Blackmailer sends blackmail to Morgan, "unsure"
drug dealer fakes blackmail
consort blocks Rose *

*are just random. We can replace them with better informed players if need be.

[FM Leonardo]

The thing is. WHAT IF LOOKOUT? I am pretty sure this setup has one :(

That certainly is a possibility. There was a detective, after all. Hmm...

[FM Spartacus]

I suspect to see the first gunsmith gun hitting someone tonight as well.

[FM Leonardo]

I suspect to see the first gunsmith gun hitting someone tonight as well.

I hope so. We need some extra kills. One KPN is not going to cut it. And no one has claimed doused, so it's not like we're waiting on an arsonist to ignite.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Also if i were a Bodyguard i would sit on Colmyr tonight just saying. Noob mafia always kills their blackmailed targets sooner or later.

This however is a good point. What do you think of killing Kalou instead?

I suspect that a lookout will be on colmyer, morgan, cohen, or Calaferri tonight. So we need to be very careful if we decide to do something to one of them.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I suspect to see the first gunsmith gun hitting someone tonight as well.

I suspect Savages may attempt a kill soon, depending on what role they converted. We can expect at most 3 kills tonight.

[FM Leonardo]

By the way, the savages are going to be a problem soon. Once they hit 6 members, they'll begin killing. Maybe even sooner. We need to get the savage godfather lynched. Doing so will kill half the existing savages, as well as block them from recruiting. Can savages still kill after their godfather dies?

[FM Ferengi]

If we send a fake soma drug. Are we allowed to send a fake message with it?

Yes.

[FM Ferengi]

Can savages still kill after their godfather dies?

Yes.

[Alphege]

The thing is. WHAT IF LOOKOUT? I am pretty sure this setup has one :(

Lookout is easily deflect able as Savage. Clem did a good job of making nothing but mayor and mason proven town

[FM Spartacus]

The Savage father is not the only one who can kill. That's why they don't bother recruiting first night anyone they need a savage to do the early kills for them anyway. If they got their 3. member last night they surely gonna kill somebody like me or Monroe. I bet they suspect me to be a mason ;_;. Since recruiting comes before killing they haven't recruited 3 members yet.

Culting comes before killing. So if they were at 2 members on N2 they probably missrecruited and have 2 members for tonight.

Which means the Cult leader was either
a) roleblocked one night.
b) roleblocked 2 nights.
c) had a fail recruiting on an Alpha/us/evil neut.
d) got a very strong town power n1
e) takes meth.

If half of the savages goes suicide and 6 is the maximum number. rounded down = 3. Yes they can if they had 6 members when their gf died.

[FM Spartacus]

The Savage father is not the only one who can kill. That's why they don't bother recruiting a power role first night. they need a savage to do the early kills for them anyway. If they got their 3. member last night they surely gonna kill somebody like me or Monroe. I bet they suspect me to be a mason ;_;. Since recruiting comes before killing they haven't recruited 3 members yet.

Culting comes before killing. So if they were at 2 members on N2 they probably missrecruited and have 2 members for tonight.

Which means the Cult leader was either
a) roleblocked one night.
b) roleblocked 2 nights.
c) had a fail recruiting on an Alpha/us/evil neut.
d) got a very strong town power n1
e) takes meth.

If half of the savages goes suicide and 6 is the maximum number. rounded down = 3. Yes they can if they had 6 members when their gf died.

fix'd

[FM Artaxerxes]

By the way, the savages are going to be a problem soon. Once they hit 6 members, they'll begin killing. Maybe even sooner. We need to get the savage godfather lynched. Doing so will kill half the existing savages, as well as block them from recruiting. Can savages still kill after their godfather dies?

yes.

Also guys we need to watch out on who we target. If a blackmail is bussed back onto us we must complete it our face suicide. We have no penalty on admitting we are blackmailed though. However it basically reveals us as not a citizen.

Also kudos leonardo, you're play from night 0 is actually working a hell of a lot better than I expected it would.

@Spartacus, why do you assume they will kill you? I didn't see any tells that you were buddying monroe.

[FM Spartacus]

Hey guys. I think I scumtelled holding my vote on Monroe for so long. Oh well, I didn't have time to come on later and unvote.



I like this idea. Why do you suspect Kelso needs to be roleblocked though?

If we send a fake soma drug. Are we allowed to send a fake message with it?
If so, we could use this as a way to mislead or cause confusion. Or just message somebody that we are not sure of, without wasting a blackmail.

I think for tonight, we should use our blackmail on either Colmyer or Morgan again. Something along the lines to make them say the other one was faking their blackmail. I suggest we blackmail Colmyer into accusing Morgan.

We could keep preventing information like we did yesterday, but I think it would be better for us to cause some kind of misinformation.

Or we could just skip that and cause suspicion on Morgan by killing Colmyer (with gf/kidnapper combo)

Consider these night actions

Godfather kills Kalou
Kidnapper swaps Colymer with Kalou (said this way, so if bus driver targets colmyer...they will just rebus earle. This would redirect our kill though to bus drivers choice I think) If Kidnapper is RB'd we still hit Kalou, who is a suspected Mayor.
Drug dealer send bussed feedback to Ackerman*
Blackmailer sends blackmail to Morgan, "unsure"
drug dealer fakes blackmail
consort blocks Rose *

*are just random. We can replace them with better informed players if need be.

If we can't send a message with a fake soma the whole drugging would be useless. No brainer. ofcourse we can.

[FM Artaxerxes]

If we can't send a message with a fake soma the whole drugging would be useless. No brainer. ofcourse we can.

already been answered. Why do you suspect Kelso needs to be roleblocked though?

[FM Spartacus]

Because i was derailing the Monroe lynch a little bit. Actually i didn't but FM Parker mentioned it. I was also the first who switched the discussion from 5 million drug dealers and blackmailers over to the savages. Which makes me a good target for them. The question is. As a recruit or a kill target. I doubt they think i am a journalist.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Because i was derailing the Monroe lynch a little bit. Actually i didn't but FM Parker mentioned it. I was also the first who switched the discussion from 5 million drug dealers and blackmailers over to the savages. Which makes me a good target for them. The question is. As a recruit or a kill target. I doubt they think i am a journalist.

Sad though. That discussion was leading them in circles. Good for us. We could use our kidnapper on you, if you feel threatened.

Also we need to consider causing more confusion to the rest of the town. Perhaps we can bus you and someone else. And then dd a bussed to a third player while you keep quiet.

[FM Artaxerxes]

People are going to start noting if only town are the target of our schemes is what I'm implying.

[FM Spartacus]

YOLO!

[FM Leonardo]

Also kudos leonardo, you're play from night 0 is actually working a hell of a lot better than I expected it would.

Yeah, the no-feedback seems to be causing people to distrust Cafarelli and Cohen. I wouldn't be surprised if Cohen is lynched tomorrow. Judging by this response, it actually might not be terrible to leave one or both of out blackmail targets alone tonight and see what happens. It may confuse them that we did not return to mess with them further and they might begin to suspect each other.

However, I asked clementine during the day and she said the blackmail targets will be allowed to quote the exact feedback (including the blackmail note) once they're free of it. I'm not sure if this will matter to us, but I feel like that's worse for us than if they just say they were blackmailed. So I'm not sure if we want to try to prevent that or not.

Also keep in mind that while there could be a lookout, bodyguard, etc. in the setup Morgan and/or Colmyer could be one of those roles and thus would not be able to self-target. This would be a bit of a gamble of course, but I notice that neither of them wanted to die (whereas if it were me, I think I'd have risked getting killed by the mafia to reveal more information to town), so they could very well both be power roles.

Just something to think about, I guess.

[FM Spartacus]

Yeah lol the godfather could shoot me while i get swapped and the kidnapper gets roleblocked. That would be the most funny shit i've ever seen :D

[FM Spartacus]

Every sane Delta would do the same to get shot by us instead of a town power role though. At least that's what i would do in this situation. Town is still destinied to win this by the numbers. That's why it is crucial we shoot the smart people first. Despite their roles.

That's why i want FM Becket gone. He sounds like he could rally the dimwits to get people lynched.

[FM Spartacus]

Sidenote: Dear Mr. Dimwit casual town player who really bothered reading the mafia night chat after the game and felt not offended because you r so smart. I TOTALY MEANT YOU WITH THAT! NOW UNNSTALL FIREFOX, CHROME OR WHATEVER!

Thank you!

Just kidding though :D

Yohohooo and a bottle of .... RAEP!

The answer is 42!

[FM Leonardo]

Every sane Delta would do the same to get shot by us instead of a town power role though. At least that's what i would do in this situation. Town is still destinied to win this by the numbers. That's why it is crucial we shoot the smart people first. Despite their roles.

That's why i want FM Becket gone. He sounds like he could rally the dimwits to get people lynched.

But they're not even close to lynching us yet. I want them to lynch. It can shorten the day and kill off more people that we don't care about. Personally, I think Colmyer, Morgan, and Monroe are the biggest leaders town has right now. Morgan is already suspicious (I do think he could be savage GF) and Colmyer and Morgan are currently trusted due to the blackmail, but I think if we were to blackmail one of them again (but not the other one) it could create doubt about the validity of one or both of their claims. I could even blackmail morgan into accusing Colmyer of faking blackmailed, which could make Morgan look suspicious. The problem is that it will be difficult to get this to work since he'll probably half-ass it since he doesn't actually want to convince people to lynch colmyer. Maybe I could word the blackmail such that it sounds like it's coming from colmyer. Something like "Don't reveal that Colmyer was lying about being blackmailed". But I doubt they'd believe any actual mafia would out themselves that way, so that could easily backfire.

[FM Leonardo]

Sidenote: Dear Mr. Dimwit casual town player who really bothered reading the mafia night chat after the game and felt not offended because you r so smart. I TOTALY MEANT YOU WITH THAT! NOW UNNSTALL FIREFOX, CHROME OR WHATEVER!

Thank you!

Just kidding though :D

Yohohooo and a bottle of .... RAEP!

The answer is 42!

Wat.

[FM Leonardo]

Invisible ink, too... The game just started and this guy is already trolling the post-game.

[FM Spartacus]

I R KELSO ANAL-YSIS the fegget!

Notable post 1:

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317521&viewfull=1#post317521


It me or every piece of information we have right now is useless?
Instead of searching for bad guy, we search for town power role, thus helping the mafia confirming them and killing them.
Also, there's too much people throwing accusation anywhere. (Like FM Monroe not too long ago, asking FM McKelty if he is the Savage Godfather)

Very townish. He is concerned about the early reveal of power roles.

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http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317550&viewfull=1#post317550

Originally Posted by FM Parker
Nope. Sorry. I was kinda having a mental lapse.

What about Lichtmann's invisible ink being a result of blackmail?

I don't like Kelso. I like Galloway. Not sure on the status of either one.

Ballard, y is McKelty the gf?
Why you don't like me? Can you give me an explanation please?
Cause if you don't explain, it's another random useless "accusation" that doesn't help town at all.

Town tell. quite relaxed.




Hi Lady and Gents,

What should we do?
Who should be our target?
Would it be better not to lynch someone?

Regarding the situation, I must say that maybe lynching someone today is a gamble. We don't have any solid proof.

In the other hand, not lynching today may prevent us from eliminating a scum.

If I recall correctly (Actually checking the vote count) FM Mckelty is our main target. Should we give it a go?

P.S: Sorry if I was not here often, I'll try to contribute more the next day.


filler more on the neutral side. He tries to stay out of trouble. Not building an Opinion just sheeping.

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The first three questions wasn't meant to be answered ;) Kinda like a TV show you know "What will happen next? Stay tuned to learn more!"

By solid proof I meant having some "clue" if he's more scum or town depending on his post,finding some slip, etc.

As for FM McKelty, I was asking if we should lynch him (I know it depends a lot on what will be his next move) or not. Should we take that gamble, knowing that maybe we found a scum.

still no opinion. Neutral post.


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Originally Posted by FM Cohen
2 hour warning. Time to consider benefits of lynching vs not lynching.

Lynching:
- Get info on people that fueled the lynch
- Instantly confirms a devourer to his target if he jails since jailor can't jail - forces his hand to kill, but we can make a last will for coroner
- learn McKelty role
- we don't waste time arguing about McKelty tomorrow

Not Lynching
- if McKelty is town, he is still alive
- umm... I can't think of anything else on the spot, anyone else have an idea?

so, it's clear to me what must be done

-vote FM McKelty
Adding...

Lynching
-We have a chance to lynch a scum since his post/action looked a little scummy

Not Lynching
-If McKelty is scum, he's still alive (And that's bad)

There's more good point on lynching him if he's not town. If he is, well, we hope he's only a Delta.

-vote FM McKelty


Follows FM Cohen. Which was a town tell on Day 1.


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Originally Posted by FM Dunn
I guess my faith in the lack of interceptor is not matched, and thus people both
1: Want Cohen to die.
2: Think I am scummy for not wanting Cohen to die.
*sigh*
Have faith! Cohen won't die! The poisoning is the work of a DD! (I hope, we'll have the answer tomorrow)

@Cohen: If it's really poison, it was a pleasure playing with you comrade! we'll avenge your death sooner or later!

How could he possibly know? Filler.

------------------------ Day 2 ---------------------------------


Hi, I'm back.

Not done reading.

Originally Posted by FM Bekowsky
-vote FM Colmyer


Last one failed.
I just want to say that FM Morgan also seem BMed but he's using the same post as FM Colmyer.
And he did that after the book where the quote are from was revealed.
It a possibility that Morgan used this to look like he was blackmaled too. (Scum blending with BMed town)

Just saying.

He brought the possibility up that Morgan is faking it. Actually he contributed for once. town tell

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Regarding the list you made, I think it could be possible that:
- Monroe is BMed. (The DD "BMed him)
- Colmyer is BMed (By real BM)
- Morgan is the BM and try to blend with the BMed town.

The fact that Morgan started being BMed after Colmyer make me think he's the BM blending with town.
Even if he was kinda protown day 1.


has a hard on for FM Morgan. blocking him might make him more suspicious of him.


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Originally Posted by FM Kelso
Regarding the list you made, I think it could be possible that:
- Monroe is BMed. (The DD "BMed him)
- Colmyer is BMed (By real BM)
- Morgan is the BM and try to blend with the BMed town.

The fact that Morgan started being BMed after Colmyer make me think he's the BM blending with town.
Even if he was kinda protown day 1.
Erratum,

Missing a BM in the possiblilities if there's 2 BM.
But, If there's actually only 1 BM, it's possible. (Could have 2 DD, that would explain the multiple RB/BD)

anti mafia! Smarter than most of the casual it seems.

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Originally Posted by FM Buchwalter
Feedback Claims:
Godfather
killed Bishop
Blackmailer / Drug Dealer
blackmailed Colmyer
blackmailed Morgan
Escort / Consort
blocked Bekowsky
blocked Buchwalter
blocked Chapman
Bus Driver / Kidnapper
bussed Galloway
bussed Lichtmann
bussed Monroe
bussed Dunn
Journalist / Corrupted Journalist
interviewd unknown
interviewd unknown
Witch
witched Biggs


Notable Posts:
Ackerman
Say "interesting night" but never explain. [#19]
Unexplained vote. [#35]
Talks for real for the first time. [#460]
Buchwalter
Day 1 version of this list. [D1 #535]
Cafarelli
Claims Investigator, but not the interviewed one. Claims feedback-block drugged night 1. [#251]
Monroe
Late bussed claim. [#288]
Falsely reveals as Mayor. [#440]


Lynch Trains:
Cohen
Poison appear to have been a drug, a lie, or was feedback-block drugged last night.
Monroe
Starting the lynch train of McKelty. [D1 #273]
Generally causing confusion and tossing accusations around.
Falsely reveals as Mayor. [#440]
Galloway keep telling that FM Rose is scum, but you didn,t put it in your list.
Is there a reason why?

He pays attention but doesn't really contribute that much. I bet he could contribute more if he wouldn't hold back.


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Originally Posted by FM Cafarelli
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go vote cohen^^
I won't vote cohen, even if the current events show that he MAY be scum, there's still a big possibility that's he's town. (Regarding how he played so far)

Again, maybe he meant to play like that to appear town but that's not what happenned IMO.

very townish. He trusts FM Cohen. why? maybe he is the journalist who interviewed him N1. The one who probably interviews Colmyr tonight.

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Originally Posted by FM Cafarelli
contribute more first lol
imo my claim is very plausible. i had 3 important information. one was the counterclaim to the interviewed consig. the second was that i was drugged and cohen lies. the third was about rose. the second would confirm me easily even if ppl don't decide to trust me for now which i find pretty nooby actually
I didn't see any proof of that. You actually can't prove that Cohen lie exept if we lynch him and he turn scum. Problem is, he helped the town as much as you did. And if he's actually a town, next one on the list is you, even if you are a town.

Lets keep our focus on actual lurker/scummy people instead of risking lynching an ally (You or Cohen)

very townish. I wasn't so sure half over his posts about his alignement but this guy is pretty much town and a tpr to 80%. I guess he is the Journalist and worth to block.

[FM Artaxerxes]

So you want to block him to cause suspicion against monroe? Because if hes journalist, a roleblock isn't going to do anything. ooo

[FM Spartacus]

10. Escort / Consort blocks
11. Kidnapping
12. Bus Driving
13. Lookout moves to target / Detective follows target (can see 7-12)
14. Framing (can affect 13)
15. Investigations (consigliere, investigator, sheriff)
16. Bodyguard moves to target
17. Poisoning
18. Mason Enforcing
19. Savage Godfather Recruits
20. All Kills (-1)
21. Heals (+1)
22. Autopsies
23. Cleaning / Disguising
24. Jester visit
25. Drugs take effect
26. Blackmailer visits
27. Give items
28. Mason Clubbing
29. Amnesiac remembers his role / Journalist publishes article


Annie are you ok?

are you ok?

Annie?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Annie are you ok?

are you ok?

Annie?

annie dieded she was captureded by a smoof criminal

RIP in Piece Annie

Graveyard
Annie- she been hit by a smooth criminal

[FM Spartacus]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! .. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FM Spartacus]

Guys. Stop trolling so much and take this game more serious please. I can't think with all that spam in here!

[FM Spartacus]

Biggs is probably an escort. If i were the witch and got a roleblocker i would keep using him.

[Alphege]

Why do we think the savages only have 2?

[FM Attila]

I hold fast to us needing to get rid of Colymer and making Morgan look fishy idea.

Proposed plan to ensure this:


Kill Morgan
Buss Morgan with Colymer
{Myself} Drug Carafilla(?) with prevent feedback
{Safe side. This effectively roleblocks Car}
{Other DDer} Drug Ballard or Monroe with bussed feedback
{This also assists us with hiding that we bussed Morgan with Colymer and helps paint suspicion on Morgan when Colymer dies.}
Blackmail Colymer with [insert message about pushing lynch on Monroe/Ballard]
{This aides us in making him look a bit more scummy and shall keep the towns attention on Morgan with a negative view. Monroe does a fair job at defending himself and Ballard doesn't seem to be suspected as scummy at all. Having him try and defend himself by attempting to lynch them keeps town nice and distracted while crumpling Morgans d1 townness.}
Roleblock Kelso(?)
{If he is a journalist like a few people, sparatcus and I, suspect. We should silence his messages to keep town a little loopy.}

[FM Spartacus]

Can't we buss Colymer with somebody else? Morgan and Colymer are good bodyguard/doctor targets. This might end in losing your autovest for nothing if Colymer is actually the bodyguard who decided to defend Morgan tonight which isn't that far fedged if you ask me.

Swap him with somebody else like Ballard/monroe and target that guy and drug the other guy we didn't swap with the swap drug.

If we swap Colymer the blackmailer has to approach the other target because of OoO. Swap comes before blackmail don't forget that.

[FM Leonardo]

I hold fast to us needing to get rid of Colymer and making Morgan look fishy idea.

Proposed plan to ensure this:


Kill Morgan
Buss Morgan with Colymer
{Myself} Drug Carafilla(?) with prevent feedback
{Safe side. This effectively roleblocks Car}
{Other DDer} Drug Ballard or Monroe with bussed feedback
{This also assists us with hiding that we bussed Morgan with Colymer and helps paint suspicion on Morgan when Colymer dies.}
Blackmail Colymer with [insert message about pushing lynch on Monroe/Ballard]
{This aides us in making him look a bit more scummy and shall keep the towns attention on Morgan with a negative view. Monroe does a fair job at defending himself and Ballard doesn't seem to be suspected as scummy at all. Having him try and defend himself by attempting to lynch them keeps town nice and distracted while crumpling Morgans d1 townness.}
Roleblock Kelso(?)
{If he is a journalist like a few people, sparatcus and I, suspect. We should silence his messages to keep town a little loopy.}

I agree with some of this. I don't like bussing colmyer and morgan though. Personally, I think it is somewhat likely that protective and investigative roles will be on one or both of them. I think we should pick one of them to kill (colmyer) and swap him with someone random (ie. carruthers). Kill Carruthers (which, thanks to the swap, will kill Colmyer), then either drug Morgan with bus feedback, or blackmail Morgan (and possibly drug someone else with bus feedback). [Note: It does not have to be Carruthers. It can be literally anyone as long as we don't mind killing them if the kidnapper is roleblocked (ie. not one of us)]

I'm not sure roleblocking the journalist will help us. The beauty of having two journalists in play is that chances are one of them isn't town. So the town have no idea which is which. I'm thinking the second one is probably a savage. My bet is that the any random is a savage journalist. Point being: I don't think the journalist will be very helpful to town unless/until the evil variant dies. In fact, if we get interviewed, there's no reason we can't write an incredibly scummy article, since neither journalist will have any idea which article was written by their target.

I think we should roleblock someone else. Perhaps a doctor suspect.

[FM Spartacus]

and how do we have to construct the blackmail message to ensure that the target does what we want from him on the same day? If he is lucky his target gets lynched or even dies tonight which just wastes our blackmail attempt which is bad.

[FM Spartacus]

I agree with some of this. I don't like bussing colmyer and morgan though. Personally, I think it is somewhat likely that protective and investigative roles will be on one or both of them. I think we should pick one of them to kill (colmyer) and swap him with someone random (ie. carruthers). Kill Carruthers (which, thanks to the swap, will kill Colmyer), then either drug Morgan with bus feedback, or blackmail Morgan (and possibly drug someone else with bus feedback). [Note: It does not have to be Carruthers. It can be literally anyone as long as we don't mind killing them if the kidnapper is roleblocked (ie. not one of us)]

I'm not sure roleblocking the journalist will help us. The beauty of having two journalists in play is that chances are one of them isn't town. So the town have no idea which is which. I'm thinking the second one is probably a savage. My bet is that the any random is a savage journalist. Point being: I don't think the journalist will be very helpful to town unless/until the evil variant dies. In fact, if we get interviewed, there's no reason we can't write an incredibly scummy article, since neither journalist will have any idea which article was written by their target.

I think we should roleblock someone else. Perhaps a doctor suspect.

I highly doubt that the savages started with 2 members from start. They surely would have killed somebody by now. There is no point in not killing town member because they have the majority and right now there is only 1 kpn in play. They are capped at 6 members. Not killing someone when you have the possibility to do so only hurts you in the long run. You should sign up for the next cult game to get some more experience with that.

[FM Leonardo]

and how do we have to construct the blackmail message to ensure that the target does what we want from him on the same day? If he is lucky his target gets lynched or even dies tonight which just wastes our blackmail attempt which is bad.

Last time I just threatened that we would kill them tonight if they didn't do it. So I'm thinking that will work again. Especially if I use it on Morgan again, since I doubt his will to live will have disappeared by tomorrow.

[FM Spartacus]

Why do we think the savages only have 2?

Because they can send somebody to kill the same night they recruit their 3. guy. Which would have been last night. There was no kill though which is really suspicious. If you have the possibility to kill you kill. Especially if you are the bad guys.

Btw i am glad that we used every action on N1. I almost feared that i wasn't the only scrub on this team.

[FM Leonardo]

I highly doubt that the savages started with 2 members from start. They surely would have killed somebody by now. There is no point in not killing town member because they have the majority and right now there is only 1 kpn in play. They are capped at 6 members. Not killing someone when you have the possibility to do so only hurts you in the long run. You should sign up for the next cult game to get some more experience with that.

You're thinking about it all wrong. Recruiting is better than killing. If I were the savage godfather, and I had no limit on how many recruits I could perform, or how many people I could have in my night chat, I would choose to recruit every time. Because it is so much better than a kill. Some reasons why:

1. Kills are -1 town. Recruits are also -1 town, but also +1 cult. So would you rather have -1 enemy, or -1 enemy AND +1 ally? It's a no-brainer.

2. Role cleaning. When the target dies, their role is essentially cleaned. Sure we'll see "investigator (savage)", but was he an investigator before he was recruited, or was he a promoted delta? If it's just "savage", was it a demoted Gamma/Epsilon, or was it just a delta that was not "recruited as ___". We don't know. More confusion = better (for scum).

3. Hidden. We have no idea how many members they have or what their members are. So in addition to all the other benefits, people are not constantly reminded of their existence because their actions are silent and do not leave a trail. Recruits are basically immune to detective and lookout because as long as the visited person doesn't die or claim any feedback, the detective/lookout won't know anything happened to them.

As such, I believe the savaged will recruit until they hit maximum capacity. They would be foolish not to.

[FM Leonardo]

I believe the savaged

*savages, rather

[FM Spartacus]

Holy crap. They are weak. I thought they could recruit AND kill the same night. Wow what a nerfed cult. Actually they will only kill if they find the masons. Facepalm. excuse moi i did not pay enough attention to the savage rolecards.

Of course you are right. So they are no real thread to us kill wise. I have to rethink the cult strategy then.

[FM Spartacus]

But i have too much blood in my head right now. I CANNOT THINK!

-block FM Leto

[FM Spartacus]

This is kinda bad for us though. They will try to kick our asses on day 3 or day 4 already. FM Calloway good luck mate! You gonna need it!

[FM Spartacus]

Ok guys this might be a long shot but i believe there is a devourer in play who had FM Colmyer last night in his belly.

His posts in one line:


Love me or kill me. (release me or kill me)


OPEN YOUR FUCKING LEGS. (the word belly or mouth are not in the play or are they? Somebody check = devourer hint 1)


Eat it. ( devour = devourer hint 2)


Clean it up, woman. ( devourer hint 3 has 2 cleanings)


This is only an assumption though because 1 kpn 1 recruiting is way too low.

Sk is roleblock immune and no sk kill.
Spree killer had plenty of good targets i doubt there is one. Hosts hate that role too much.
Arsonist gives feedback in this setup and nobody claimed it so far.

Rochsi loves the devourer role. He had only 1 day so far to do something.


Witch is pretty much confirmed or somebody lied 2 times in a row. Which is high likely as well. Especially the witched player doesn't contribute anything of value to the game.


Like i said it's a long shot and i am really tired.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Holy crap. They are weak. I thought they could recruit AND kill the same night. Wow what a nerfed cult. Actually they will only kill if they find the masons. Facepalm. excuse moi i did not pay enough attention to the savage rolecards.

Of course you are right. So they are no real thread to us kill wise. I have to rethink the cult strategy then.
Pretty sure that's not how it works. Godfather can be sent to kill or recruit. Any other savage may be sent to perform the faction kill. And the mason thing, probably not. As soon as they recruit a savage they will start killing.


I hold fast to us needing to get rid of Colymer and making Morgan look fishy idea.

Proposed plan to ensure this:


Kill Morgan
Buss Morgan with Colymer
{Myself} Drug Carafilla(?) with prevent feedback
{Safe side. This effectively roleblocks Car}
{Other DDer} Drug Ballard or Monroe with bussed feedback
{This also assists us with hiding that we bussed Morgan with Colymer and helps paint suspicion on Morgan when Colymer dies.}
Blackmail Colymer with [insert message about pushing lynch on Monroe/Ballard]
{This aides us in making him look a bit more scummy and shall keep the towns attention on Morgan with a negative view. Monroe does a fair job at defending himself and Ballard doesn't seem to be suspected as scummy at all. Having him try and defend himself by attempting to lynch them keeps town nice and distracted while crumpling Morgans d1 townness.}
Roleblock Kelso(?)
{If he is a journalist like a few people, sparatcus and I, suspect. We should silence his messages to keep town a little loopy.}
I am liking this roleblock on Kelso idea. I was mistaken about the OoO. This is an easy way to confirm a journalist for us. I do not like targeting carafelli tonight though with feedback blocking. Perhaps we could force him to receive fake feedback like "Your target is Blackmailer / Consort / Escort / Witch / Ghost". Since he's revealed his role, it would be expected of the mafia to visit him to block his feedback.

But i have too much blood in my head right now. I CANNOT THINK!

-block FM Leto
Why Leto lol.

Devourer would have killed night 1 (not 0). Anyone who he jailed would've claimed mafia/savage.

[FM Artaxerxes]

I think we should think of a strategy if one of us receives soma. As someone said earlier, it's doubtful that the masons will give it to anyone until Savages are dead. However, a Mayor might. I think our best bet is to pass it or hold it for at least a night before using it. That way we can say we passed it to someone else.

[FM Spartacus]

Godfather (Savage)
Each night, the savages may choose to -recruit one player of your choice to the savages OR -kill one player. You can only recruit disgruntled members of the lower class (gammas, deltas, and epsilons). The savage member size is capped at six players (including yourself).

You may choose to -recruit a player OR -recruit a player as [insert hidden gamma role]. You may not -recruit players as [insert hidden gamma roles] that are duplicates of hidden gamma roles currently in the cult.

If you -recruit a gamma, or delta, they retain their original role but gain the savage alignment.
If you -recruit an epsilon, they become a savage.
If you -recruit a delta as [insert hidden gamma role], they get a role upgrade to the hidden gamma role in addition to gaining the savage alignment.
If you -recruit a gamma or epsilon as [insert hidden gamma role], they will lose their role abilities and become savages.

Only the savage godfather may be sent to recruit, but any savage member may be sent to kill. Upon your death, half of the savages (rounded down) will die. You are not immune to detection by sheriffs / detectives / lookouts.

You have one auto-vest

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I am pretty sure that they can't. Also how is a devourer supposed to kill when he has to Jail at day and this game started at night.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Holy crap. They are weak. I thought they could recruit AND kill the same night. Wow what a nerfed cult. Actually they will only kill if they find the masons. Facepalm. excuse moi i did not pay enough attention to the savage rolecards.

Of course you are right. So they are no real thread to us kill wise. I have to rethink the cult strategy then.


I hold fast to us needing to get rid of Colymer and making Morgan look fishy idea.

Proposed plan to ensure this:


Kill Morgan
Buss Morgan with Colymer
{Myself} Drug Carafilla(?) with prevent feedback
{Safe side. This effectively roleblocks Car}
{Other DDer} Drug Ballard or Monroe with bussed feedback
{This also assists us with hiding that we bussed Morgan with Colymer and helps paint suspicion on Morgan when Colymer dies.}
Blackmail Colymer with [insert message about pushing lynch on Monroe/Ballard]
{This aides us in making him look a bit more scummy and shall keep the towns attention on Morgan with a negative view. Monroe does a fair job at defending himself and Ballard doesn't seem to be suspected as scummy at all. Having him try and defend himself by attempting to lynch them keeps town nice and distracted while crumpling Morgans d1 townness.}
Roleblock Kelso(?)
{If he is a journalist like a few people, sparatcus and I, suspect. We should silence his messages to keep town a little loopy.}


But i have too much blood in my head right now. I CANNOT THINK!

-block FM Leto


Godfather (Savage)
Each night, the savages may choose to -recruit one player of your choice to the savages OR -kill one player. You can only recruit disgruntled members of the lower class (gammas, deltas, and epsilons). The savage member size is capped at six players (including yourself).

You may choose to -recruit a player OR -recruit a player as [insert hidden gamma role]. You may not -recruit players as [insert hidden gamma roles] that are duplicates of hidden gamma roles currently in the cult.

If you -recruit a gamma, or delta, they retain their original role but gain the savage alignment.
If you -recruit an epsilon, they become a savage.
If you -recruit a delta as [insert hidden gamma role], they get a role upgrade to the hidden gamma role in addition to gaining the savage alignment.
If you -recruit a gamma or epsilon as [insert hidden gamma role], they will lose their role abilities and become savages.

Only the savage godfather may be sent to recruit, but any savage member may be sent to kill. Upon your death, half of the savages (rounded down) will die. You are not immune to detection by sheriffs / detectives / lookouts.

You have one auto-vest

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I am pretty sure that they can't. Also how is a devourer supposed to kill when he has to Jail at day and this game started at night.

Jesus i am posting badly today. Brb taking an aspirin. I said night 1 though when the game started at night 0. Not completely brain dead. Plus you are right then, Savages are very weak. We are going to have to rely on our 1 kpn for awhile.

[FM Spartacus]

I think we should think of a strategy if one of us receives soma. As someone said earlier, it's doubtful that the masons will give it to anyone until Savages are dead. However, a Mayor might. I think our best bet is to pass it or hold it for at least a night before using it. That way we can say we passed it to someone else.

If somebody really receives soma legally which i highly doubt we would pass it to the blackmailer. If we swap one into our hands we would pass it to the godfather to kill 2 people in one night.

[FM Spartacus]

If the blackmailer uses Soma can he write 2 different blackmails for 2 different people?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I mean it started on 1...and he wouldve devoured on 2...

[FM Spartacus]

A lot of role blocks around and a devourer has time. The Architect is already out of the game. Maybe he plays save. He is the only neutral killer i can imagine around by now. Well we will see.

[FM Artaxerxes]

A lot of role blocks around and a devourer has time. The Architect is already out of the game. Maybe he plays save. He is the only neutral killer i can imagine around by now. Well we will see.

Having a devourer would be great. The KPN we have right now is going to be hard for us to win.

Anyways, I can't think critically right now. I will post tomorrow when I feel better

[FM Ferengi]

If the blackmailer uses Soma can he write 2 different blackmails for 2 different people?

Yes.

[FM Spartacus]

you know the most funny scenario i could imagine would be. FM Colmyr Savage Godfather devoured and tried to clean kill him. We blackmailed him and tonight we kill him off! GG Savages. :D

[FM Leonardo]

Just to clear this up because I'm tired of seeing it written incorrectly: This game started on Night ONE. It's easy enough to prove by looking at our night chats. The first one is labeled "Night One".

Now, as to the devourer: There could be one. He couldn't kill night one because there was no day in which to select a target, but then the question is why he didn't kill night 2. It could be that he found a scum. Or perhaps he found a town who merely claimed scum in order to survive. This actually brings up an interesting point. If one of us is jailed on a night after a lynch (ie. ONLY the devourer could be responsible for it) we might have trouble convincing him not to kill us even if we claim our true roles. So I propose we create a code for this purpose. It would require the devourer to spare us for the night, of course, but would give them confirmation the following day that we are mafia, and we could then ally ourselves with him and coordinate with him.

Of course, the fact that there's a witch in the game decreases the chance of there being a devourer (unless biggs is devourer claiming witched to cover up his existence. In which case, it will be odd when he is the only one who is ever witched). But we have nothing to lose.

Although that might not be necessary depending on the mechanics. Let's find out. If jailer/devourer takes one of us captive for a night, do we still have access to read/post in this night chat?

[Forum Mafia GM]

If jailer/devourer takes one of us captive for a night, do we still have access to read/post in this night chat?

No.

[FM Attila]

So I've made suggestion. What are we finalizing?

I am cool with most of what have been amended here btw and I shall subvert to majority vote

[FM Spartacus]

Well we are finalizing that we all will vote me to Players choice MVP.

THat is all..

[FM Leonardo]

No.

I thought so. In that case, if one of us does not post in the night chat for an entire night cycle, we should have a code they can post in the day to tell us they were jailed/devoured. Maybe they can start their first post of the next day with the word "really" or something. And if we're devoured (ie. absolutely sure it's a devourer and not a jailor) we can claim scum to them and tell them "hey, my first post tomorrow is going to start with the word 'really' and then one of my teammates is going to have their next post after mine start with 'fantastic' so you know I have a night chat with them". Basically this would allow us to prove to the devourer (if he were to let us go for the night) that we are indeed evil and wish to help him kill the town.

What do you guys think of that?

[FM Spartacus]

There a code which i just invented in 2 mins!


Everyday he keeps you alive you will place a number somewhere in your first post of the day. This number will correspond to this list:



1 ) Ackerman
2 ) Ballard
3 ) Becket
4 ) Bekowski
5 ) Biggs
6 ) Bishop
7 ) Black
8 ) Buchwalter
9 ) Cafarelli
10 ) Carruthers
11 ) Chapman
12 ) Cohen
13 ) Colmyer
14 ) Donnelly
15 ) Dunn
16 ) Earle
17 ) Fontaine
18 ) Gage
19 ) Galletta
20 ) Galloway
21 ) Green
22 ) Hogeboom
23 ) Hopgood
24 ) Kalou
25 ) Kelso
26 ) Leary
27 ) Lichtmann
28 ) Mason
29 ) Mendez
30 ) Monroe
31 ) Morgan
32 ) Parker
33 ) Phelps
34 ) Rose
35 ) Ryan

That number will refer to another member of the "SOMA DEALERS", of which there are "7" in total.



Well how you handle your code with him in the jail chat is your call.

[FM Spartacus]

This is totes an original idea. If you get jailed/devoured and still make it to the day. Just talk about the weather at your home somewhere and we will get the message.

[FM Spartacus]

Anyways we still have another 24 hours to think about what we gonna do. Try to get some more ideas into here.

[FM Leonardo]

There a code which i just invented in 2 mins!


Everyday he keeps you alive you will place a number somewhere in your first post of the day. This number will correspond to this list:



1 ) Ackerman
2 ) Ballard
3 ) Becket
4 ) Bekowski
5 ) Biggs
6 ) Bishop
7 ) Black
8 ) Buchwalter
9 ) Cafarelli
10 ) Carruthers
11 ) Chapman
12 ) Cohen
13 ) Colmyer
14 ) Donnelly
15 ) Dunn
16 ) Earle
17 ) Fontaine
18 ) Gage
19 ) Galletta
20 ) Galloway
21 ) Green
22 ) Hogeboom
23 ) Hopgood
24 ) Kalou
25 ) Kelso
26 ) Leary
27 ) Lichtmann
28 ) Mason
29 ) Mendez
30 ) Monroe
31 ) Morgan
32 ) Parker
33 ) Phelps
34 ) Rose
35 ) Ryan

That number will refer to another member of the "SOMA DEALERS", of which there are "7" in total.



Well how you handle your code with him in the jail chat is your call.

This doesn't make any sense. The point of the code I suggested was that it would simultaneously do two things. One- allow a jailed/devoured member of our team to communicate this information to the rest of us, and two- prove to the devourer that we are scum because one of our teammates would respond to our code with another code. Proving to him that the two people (devoured person and code responder) are in the mafia together. If the one person just posts a code by themselves, they could be making it up as far as the devourer knows. The point of involving a second person is to show him there is a connection (read: night chat) between those two players.

[FM Spartacus]

:weird: Well no. There might still be a jailor around. This shit has to be done slow. A smart Jailor would just abuse the situation. This trust have to be done over more than 1 days. I am highly against it to play that open.

[FM Spartacus]

As long i don't see any cleaned target on the graveyard the devourer is only a theory. If i get jailed i will totaly claim delta.

[FM Leonardo]

Suggested actions for tonight:

Godfather- Kill Galleta
Kidnapper- Swap Galleta with Colmyer
Drug Dealer #1- Drug "swapped" feedback to Ballard
Drug Dealer #2- Drug "block feedback" to Cafarelli
Blackmailer- Blackmail Morgan [not sure what I should have him do yet]
Consort- Block Kalou (some of you thought he was doctor, I think) or perhaps Monroe (I think he might be savage gf, but if he's not he could still be a PR)

Thoughts?

[FM Leonardo]

:weird: Well no. There might still be a jailor around. This shit has to be done slow. A smart Jailor would just abuse the situation. This trust have to be done over more than 1 days. I am highly against it to play that open.

nononononono

You misunderstood. My code is ONLY to be used if you are 100% SURE it is a devourer detaining you. ie. if you are jailed on a night after a lynch. Otherwise, asume it is a jailor and claim delta.

[FM Spartacus]

If you are sure that he is the devourer to 100% then you just give him all our night actions until today with the whole team and tell him that he should just side with us cause we are cooler. 0.o

[FM Leonardo]

If you are sure that he is the devourer to 100% then you just give him all our night actions until today with the whole team and tell him that he should just side with us cause we are cooler. 0.o

I just thought that might be problematic because if it came down to him, us, and the savages, he might choose them over us. I'd prefer for no one outside of this night chat to know who we all are, including the devourer/witch/etc. until we are sure that they need us to win and cannot screw us over.

[FM Spartacus]

If you don't give him your full trust from start he won't feel attached to us which will hurt the relations with each other in the end. It's all psychological.

[FM Leonardo]

If you don't give him your full trust from start he won't feel attached to us which will hurt the relations with each other in the end. It's all psychological.

I don't care. I'm not willing to risk our entire team for the sake of one possible ally. He will take what I give him or he will get nothing and we will treat him as an enemy. This is all assuming there is a devourer of course, which is currently very unlikely given that the information we have now (the existence of a witch) means it would have to be the random any.

[FM Spartacus]

-block Kelso

nothing new to add i am afraid.

[FM Spartacus]

-block FM Kelso

[FM Spartacus]

kill FM Keiru send FM Mendez
swap FM Morgan with FM Keiru (FM Dunn)
FM Galloway drugs Carafilla with prevent feedback
FM Buchwalter drugs Ballard or Monroe with bussed feedback
FM Pheps blocks FM Kelso

Blackmail whoever you want you have your own head anyway and will override as you please.

Feel free to discuss different night actions "BEFORE" you change them. Thanks!

[FM Spartacus]

facepalm

kill FM Keiru send FM Mendez
swap FM Morgan with FM Keiru (FM Dunn)
FM Galloway drugs Carafilla with prevent feedback
FM Buchwalter drugs Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Pheps blocks FM Kelso

fixed damn Monroe...

[FM Leonardo]

kill FM Keiru send FM Mendez
swap FM Morgan with FM Keiru (FM Dunn)
FM Galloway drugs Carafilla with prevent feedback
FM Buchwalter drugs Ballard or Monroe with bussed feedback
FM Pheps blocks FM Kelso

Blackmail whoever you want you have your own head anyway and will override as you please.

Feel free to discuss different night actions "BEFORE" you change them. Thanks!

I definitely did the actions we decided on the last 2 nights, and I apologized for getting upset last night, so I don't know why you're being so hostile towards me. You also took the liberty of having us kill Morgan even though I believe most of us wanted to kill Colmyer, which makes you a hypocrite for accusing me of not listening to the group. I also think this might be a good time to mention that "FM Keiru" doesn't exist.

And I'm still not sure why we're blocking Kelso. Even if he is the journalist (and I'm skeptical that he is) the corrupt journalist/savage journalist already makes his article somewhat useless given the fact that there will be two articles.

As to my blackmail, I am looking for input on what I should command my target to do, as well as ideas on who I should target. I'm currently I should target Morgan (assuming we kill Colmyer, who I believe is the bigger threat between the two of them). I'm debating over what I should tell him to do though. I could silence him again. Or I could have him accuse someone of being the blackmailer. Accusations are a bit risky though, since forcing them to accuse someone will likely make the target more certain that the person they're accusing is innocent, and their accusations will probably be half-assed and won't get anywhere unless we are very specific on how the accusation must be structured.

[Alphege]

Im ok with that action, but im not sure why we arent killing the decent lead of Parker being a Doctor...

[FM Leonardo]

Im ok with that action, but im not sure why we arent killing the decent lead of Parker being a Doctor...

I think Colmyer's more important, especially if we block parker. Colmyer is leading during the day, which could get us killed. All Parker's doing (if he's doctor) is trying to heal people (and so far, failing). His day presence is not worrisome to me at all. So I say we kill the leaders first, then worry about the PRs. Especially when we can just roleblock him or use our kidnapper to avoid him. Though I suppose if power roles really worry you, I can blackmail someone into not visiting anyone. My rolecard doesn't specify my task has to be completed during the day, just that if role limitations make it impossible, the target won't be punished. But no-targeting is possible for everyone, including citizens.

Come to think of it, I guess I could use that on Biggs and hope the witch targets him both nights so that he suicides. The thing is, I don't really care enough about Biggs to want him dead. He's either an escort (witch noticing that his witch targets are people that claim roleblocked) or an unlucky citizen/investigative role that was witched onto Bishop the night we killed him and the witch mistook him for the Godfather. My guess is he's an escort, though.

[FM Leonardo]

If no one suggests a blackmail, my last resort is just going to be to silence Morgan again. This time (if I do it) I think I'll only allow him to use punctuation. No symbols, or letters/words from different alphabets/languages. Just pure punctuation-y goodness. And I'll probably forbid morse-code and any other punctuation-using code. But that's a last resort. I'd like to do something other than silence him if you guys can help me think of something better than silencing.

[FM Spartacus]

I definitely did the actions we decided on the last 2 nights, and I apologized for getting upset last night, so I don't know why you're being so hostile towards me. You also took the liberty of having us kill Morgan even though I believe most of us wanted to kill Colmyer, which makes you a hypocrite for accusing me of not listening to the group. I also think this might be a good time to mention that "FM Keiru" doesn't exist.

And I'm still not sure why we're blocking Kelso. Even if he is the journalist (and I'm skeptical that he is) the corrupt journalist/savage journalist already makes his article somewhat useless given the fact that there will be two articles.

As to my blackmail, I am looking for input on what I should command my target to do, as well as ideas on who I should target. I'm currently I should target Morgan (assuming we kill Colmyer, who I believe is the bigger threat between the two of them). I'm debating over what I should tell him to do though. I could silence him again. Or I could have him accuse someone of being the blackmailer. Accusations are a bit risky though, since forcing them to accuse someone will likely make the target more certain that the person they're accusing is innocent, and their accusations will probably be half-assed and won't get anywhere unless we are very specific on how the accusation must be structured.


Those are just placeholder night actions. There is no need to call me a hypocrite for just making sure that we at least do something tonight.
If you have a better block target feel free to speak. Still waiting for your blackmail target and blackmail order.

Kill Colmyer by any means i just wanted to have some night actions in here because half of the team doesn't use the night chat properly which is annoying.

Half of them can't even be bothered to pick an avatar.

Also my notes vanished thanks to a bluescreen yesterday.

FM Parker is way too loud in day for a doctor role. A normal noob tpr doc would lurk and not try to lead town.

swap FM Kalou with FM Morgan

To have at least a working cycle. Also those FM anon names are somehow hard to remember.

[FM Spartacus]

Just for your information Leonardo you are the ONLY one who suggested to kill FM Colmyr. I just went over the thread again. So who is the hypocrite here again huh?

artaxerxes wants kalou dead
leonardo wants colmyr dead
attila wants parker, morgan dead
vespasian wants carafelli, parker dead
cohege wants parker dead
i want beckett, morgan dead

I picked morgan as kill target because the godfather is the boss and does the actual killing. I didn't pick my favourite. Please read our own night chat sometimes or keep notes.

[FM Leonardo]

Just for your information Leonardo you are the ONLY one who suggested to kill FM Colmyr. I just went over the thread again. So who is the hypocrite here again huh?

artaxerxes wants kalou dead
leonardo wants colmyr dead
attila wants parker, morgan dead
vespasian wants carafelli, parker dead
cohege wants parker dead
i want beckett, morgan dead

I picked morgan as kill target because the godfather is the boss and does the actual killing. I didn't pick my favourite. Please read our own night chat sometimes or keep notes.

I may have been wrong about most of us wanting him dead. But I think you all should want Colmyer dead. And keep in mind that my choice of kill target has yet to fail us. We have killed 2 power roles in the first 2 nights of the FM. So do with that what you will.

[FM Spartacus]

Yeah the Architect was totaly a skillshot right. The second kill was just the follow up to the fail blackmail to keep his mouth shut. In fact the bm was so bad that nobody even realised it that Bishop was blackmailed or we could be already 1 man down.

Colmyer or Caffatrollo are the obvious lookout choices for tonight. You don't realise that one single lookout fucks every drugdealer /blackmailer over. We can't just jump on the priority 1 targets if we could lose a valuable team member. Our team is only strong if the 2 drug dealers and the Blackmailer are alive. If we lose one we lose 40% of our power. That's a pretty bad trade. I personally wouldn't risk it. We have a very offensive team which is really weak against lookouts and investigators. That's why i don't want to drug Caffasomething for 0 feedback. Way too risky. I'd say we blackmail a new target or we start to blackmail more subtle.
Every guy we blackmail into voting somebody else tells them that this guy is not a mafia member to 100%. Indirectly we help them to clear town which is not that great either.

[FM Spartacus]

Things we should definetly use tonight.

swap kill with a drive drug. = 3 ppl

I suggest to let the one who wasn't blocked N2 do the swap drug.

Like i said i am open for input on my block target. If we can find one more town power role like that. Why not? makes our target pool smaller which is always good. Blocking parker is a scum tell same goes for Colmyr and Morgan. I have to take somebody else which i could imagine to be town power. I will go over the 2 days again and look for the fagsmith, lookout though.

The other drug dealer mr Scummy at day. Don't know what we should do about it. I wonder if he gets blocked again this night. I suggest him to do the blackmail drug.

Now the question is this. Do we want 2 people to vote somebody tomorrow or do we want them silenced? We are all in the middlefield and not really pushing in any direction which makes it rather hard to utilize 2 extra votes on anyone. Also we don't know what information will be revealed on Day 3. This is even more a gamble. While silencing people clears them of being mafia which isn't that great either.

Decisions. Decisions..

[FM Leonardo]

Yeah the Architect was totaly a skillshot right. The second kill was just the follow up to the fail blackmail to keep his mouth shut. In fact the bm was so bad that nobody even realised it that Bishop was blackmailed or we could be already 1 man down.

Colmyer or Caffatrollo are the obvious lookout choices for tonight. You don't realise that one single lookout fucks every drugdealer /blackmailer over. We can't just jump on the priority 1 targets if we could lose a valuable team member. Our team is only strong if the 2 drug dealers and the Blackmailer are alive. If we lose one we lose 40% of our power. That's a pretty bad trade. I personally wouldn't risk it. We have a very offensive team which is really weak against lookouts and investigators. That's why i don't want to drug Caffasomething for 0 feedback. Way too risky. I'd say we blackmail a new target or we start to blackmail more subtle.
Every guy we blackmail into voting somebody else tells them that this guy is not a mafia member to 100%. Indirectly we help them to clear town which is not that great either.

Narrowing down are pool of targets to include him and only a handful of other people was skill. Targeting him specifically was luck, I'll admit. And yeah, Bishop was killed partially because of my blackmail, but he also proved himself to be a smart player and would've made a good target anyway.

And I know colmyer is a likely lookout choice. That's why we're using the kidnapper instead of just killing him directly. Though it occurs to me that if the lookout targets him, he will still see our kidnapper visit him. But our kidnapper could also be the bus driver, so I doubt he'll reveal him. Still is a bit risky though. Still, we run the same risk with Morgan, so I don't know that he's any better as a target.

I have to go for a bit. I'll be back in a few hours.

[FM Spartacus]

Architect N1 kill was skill? Because he picked an avatar early? This doesn't mean anything i am afraid.

I want to know what the rest of the team thinks. Come sheeps come! Can we only once get to one agreement please? We are a team of 6 people(!) Come make more use of the night chat it's mostly the only advantage we have over town.

[FM Spartacus]

Colmyr plays like his last game when he was a citizen. I fear this kill is rather wasted.

[FM Vespasian]

Can you two do anything else then fight?

I would go as far as suggest we kill someone totally unlikely, just to throw town into even more confusion.

Using the Kidnapper to kill someone this early may be a bad idea, but maybe we can fake do it? Kill someone random and then kidnap one of us, then not say we were bussed. Would maybe make it look like a "failed" Kidnapper swap-kill.

As for the blackmail. I sugguest "Vote Morgan in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day. Actively try to get Morgan lynched during this day." or something and give it to two people. Maybe Parker and Monroe?

[FM Spartacus]

pick an avatar already!

[FM Vespasian]

I have not had the time to be around much this night, but I do not see why an avatar would make me any better.

As for me maybe being blocked again. I agree that it could be possible, kinda a 50/50 chance.

But I really do think that it would be a good idea to just go after other people right now. It just feel too risky to go after the active people.

[FM Vespasian]

What about killing FM Biggs? We know the Witch is having fun with him, so he may be a PR. If we get rid of him the Witch can get to other people.
Or do you guys think the Witch would hate us for that?

[FM Vespasian]

Either way. I have thrown another two cents, and I'm tired now.
I will see you all in the morning of day 3!

[FM Spartacus]

It helps us if you pick an avatar. Also if oyu have no time for this you could get yourself replaced the reserve list is pretty long.

[FM Attila]

My plan would get coly dead and hopefully morgan lynched. I dont want morgan dead tonight.

However if we do not want to kill either of these people we can always go for the hit on Chapman or maybe even galletta, who is droping a few town pr signs.

[FM Attila]

kill FM Kalou
swap FM Morgan with FM Kalou
FM Galloway drugs Carafilla with prevent feedback
FM Buchwalter drugs FM Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Pheps blocks FM Kelso
Blackmail FM Rose/Morgan/Monroe with "You must aggressively attempt to halt any attempts of a lynch/vote on FM Colymer without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks under threat of death"


The reason I am choosing this blackmail action is because these players {Morgan would result in Kalou getting blackmailed} are fairly scummy in the eyes of town, more or less, and this would connect them with colymer which can result. potentially, in double mislynches. It would be fairly easy to spin that these players are scum together or that colymer attempted to cause a mislynch and get him lynched at best and his credibility fairly destroyed most likely. I feel this is a win win.


waht do you think?

[FM Spartacus]

i dont like the feedback surpress on Carafilla because of lookout. Also this would be way more effective if we fake blackmail another guy. Then i even would suggest that the drug dealer visits FM Colymer instead of the blackmailer because the bm is more worth.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Half of them can't even be bothered to pick an avatar.


pick an avatar already!
Picking avatar in night chat - lol.


i dont like the feedback surpress on Carafilla because of lookout. Also this would be way more effective if we fake blackmail another guy. Then i even would suggest that the drug dealer visits FM Colymer instead of the blackmailer because the bm is more worth.

I agree we should NOT feedback supress Carafila. With all the attention on him yesterday we can probably expect a lookout on him or cohen. The town will most likely continue to lynch Carafelli or Cohen tomorrow. It should be expected that Carafelli will check Cohen to "prove" to us that he is scum.

Killing Colmyer or Morgan will have one of two effects.
1) Town will suspect the surviving one of faking blackmail
2) town will believe them as confirmed town.

Keeping them both alive though
1) They will be suspicious of the other one, and why the other didn't die. Most likely both will reveal the same exact blackmail, which with everybody assuming 2 bms, will cause a lot of suspicion.


I vote we kill either
-becket - he posted a lot better yesterday than first day. Is not afraid to hammer someone.
-Parker - seemed like a decent analyzer despite not understanding certain role mechanics.
-Kalou - IF he is a hidden Mayor, this would be a great kill. I doubt he would be so obvious with his hints though. Possibly shitizen trying to take a hit.

Blocking Kelso doesn't seem like a bad plan, I have no objections to it.

Whoever we kill, we should plan on swapping them with somebody and sending an extra bussed feedback.

Attila, I like the blackmail idea, but I'm not sure if it will be allowed because it falls into a pretty grey area. Also, why don't you place Morgan as the target to attempt to halt lynches on? I think that will be more effective since he waited to post after Colmyer. A mafia would wait to see if the target planned on doing their bm objective on first or second day before imitating it.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Made an avatar just for you, Spartacus. Now Cohen will know this account is active.

[FM Spartacus]

Lol. and its so Beautiful! uguu~

[FM Artaxerxes]

Lol. and its so Beautiful! uguu~

thank you. now lets fm?

[FM Artaxerxes]

just to make sure cohen lied

are people notified if they're healed from poison
Not sure why Carafelli is so determined on Cohen. He seemed certain it was a lie instead of a drug, which can't be proven. But since out 2nd journalist claimed invest (which we know cant be consig and is very unlikely to be a savage invest) then I think Carafelli is possibly the exec and that would confirm Cohen as town and not our ally.

[FM Artaxerxes]

that feel when color bracket isn't closed.

where you guys at.

[FM Spartacus]

Yeah i came to the same conclusion. Carafelli is more likely to be an executioner BUT how could he have known that we feedback drugged him n1 then? He has to be some sort of power role

[FM Spartacus]

Also shooting Becket is still the best idea with less risk involved.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Yeah i came to the same conclusion. Carafelli is more likely to be an executioner BUT how could he have known that we feedback drugged him n1 then? He has to be some sort of power role

I overlooked this. Yes I suppose he does have to be a PR.

We still have two and a half hours. I plan on changing the kill to Becket if no one argues against it.

Is "You must aggressively attempt to halt any attempts of a lynch/vote on FM Colymer without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks under threat of death" an acceptable blackmail?

[Alphege]

I want to make sure our actions continue to include a bussed feedback until we eliminate the chance of my being role blocked. Can we guarantee this please?

[FM Artaxerxes]

I want to make sure our actions continue to include a bussed feedback until we eliminate the chance of my being role blocked. Can we guarantee this please?

In the situation that you are roleblocked -
If we kill and swap Becket with Kalou then we will instead kill Kalou (not bad) and there will be two missing bussed claims.

If we drug a bussed and you were roleblocked. - there will one missing bus claim and kalou will still die. They will assume we swapped and killed or that someone is lying. The roleblocking escort will assume you are not the kidnapper at least because of 3 bus claims.

We can also just lie about being bussed. If we decide this we will need to plan out WHO will be lying about it and the possibility of using a code to hide feedback done to us.

For example, if one of us is witched, we can start the second post of the day with "I think that"

[FM Spartacus]

ok get the night actions together then. I am still waiting on the GM decide on our blackmail task.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Kill FM Kalou
swap FM Becket with FM Kalou
FM Galloway drugs fake blackmail to FM Parker
FM Buchwalter drugs FM Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Pheps blocks FM Kelso
Blackmail FM Rose with "You must aggressively attempt to halt any attempts of a lynch/vote on FM Morgan without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks under threat of death"

Again, is this blackmail suitable?

Thoughts on these actions?

[FM Spartacus]

works for me.

[FM Ferengi]

Is "You must aggressively attempt to halt any attempts of a lynch/vote on FM Colymer without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks under threat of death" an acceptable blackmail?

"Aggressively" is pretty hard to judge. Is it possible to frame it in a more quantifiable way, such as "in every post" you must attempt to stop,..

[FM Spartacus]

Ok lets change it to:

Blackmail FM Rose with "You must aggressively attempt to halt any attempts of a lynch/vote on FM Morgan without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks in every second post under threat of death"

Also wouldn't it be better to blackmail someone more active with that? Isn't it smarter to blackmail to press a lynch against morgan? Why halting?

[FM Spartacus]

oh every post would be ok as well? Interesting then we would go with that of course.

[FM Attila]

Kill FM Kalou
swap FM Becket with FM Kalou
FM Galloway drugs fake blackmail to FM Parker
FM Buchwalter drugs FM Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Pheps blocks FM Kelso
Blackmail FM Rose with "You must aggressively attempt to halt any attempts of a lynch/vote on FM Morgan without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks under threat of death"

Again, is this blackmail suitable?

Thoughts on these actions?


I suppose.
Why are we blackmailing Parker?

[FM Spartacus]

1h 30 min left until dead line gogo!

[FM Artaxerxes]

"Aggressively" is pretty hard to judge. Is it possible to frame it in a more quantifiable way, such as "in every post" you must attempt to stop,..

Spartacus, dont you think every post would be too easily suspected? What about the possibility of every other or third post? We also need to be more specific like with last blackmail I think to prevent loopholing.

How about -
"In every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Morgan without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."
Is this blackmail acceptable?
While FM might accept it, I want your opinions on it as well.

That added threat last time seemed to really work on them. This also forces them to hide any feedback which im okay with. The only problem I'm seeing is that they will only post once during the day tomorrow, thus negating our blackmail.
If a player under this specific blackmail posted only 1 post, would he be free of the blackmail without any harm? If so, would this count as breaking the blackmail on the first day if they made only 1 post both days?

Parker was just random because he seems an analyzer and will suspect Morgan if we do this, didn't want to target the big names and not Morgan or Colmyer for reasons stated previously.

[FM Spartacus]

Problem is. FM rose is not really active. Every post is a bit too much i agree. every second is nice. But how can we blackmail him/her that he sounds realistic doing it? I mean if the guy isn't a braindead zombie he could just do it jokingly in every second post which totaly neglects what we want to achieve with it.

In every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Morgan without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."

But FM Morgan is probably town. If he really gets lynched our Blackmail target will just earn unneccesary town points which we don't want. I think we should let him push for a misslynch rather than derailing?

[FM Spartacus]

just tell him in every 1,5 post

[FM Artaxerxes]

Problem is. FM rose is not really active. Every post is a bit too much i agree. every second is nice. But how can we blackmail him/her that he sounds realistic doing it? I mean if the guy isn't a braindead zombie he could just do it jokingly in every second post which totaly neglects what we want to achieve with it.

In every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Morgan without revealing your role, investigations, or feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."

But FM Morgan is probably town. If he really gets lynched our Blackmail target will just earn unneccesary town points which we don't want. I think we should let him push for a misslynch rather than derailing?

There will already be suspicion on FM Morgan for appearing to fake blackmail. A possibility I just thought of is to only send one blackmail tonight. That way they will be suspicious of either colmyer and Morgan. I think the reason we were trying to get them to derail is that
1) it will cause more argument than just forcing them to put a lynch
2)it will cause the blackmailed targets to think he is mafia being defended by us. Why would we want to defend a towny? We could add a clause forcing them to lynch vote Colmyer.

Also, if you don't want to pick Rose, consider Chapman?

[FM Attila]

Change it to chapman then.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Change it to chapman then.

Waiting for fms to confirm if the bm is acceptable.

Spartacus, is that every first and fifth? Plus I like the addition of no trolling/jokes.

[FM Spartacus]

Why not Ackerman? Everybody hates him anyway!

[FM Artaxerxes]

Why not Ackerman? Everybody hates him anyway!

Write up how you want it. I'm up for anything, but lets change the fake blackmail so that people will be suspect of Morgan and Colmyer. How about something like sending someone a drugged blacksmith vest?

[FM Artaxerxes]

About an hour left! Lets get things shaken

[FM Spartacus]

No clue dawg i am way too wasted to write anything good at this time of the day. Just do what you think is best. You have my full trust in this!

[FM Artaxerxes]

"In every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Caferelli without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."
Is this blackmail acceptable?

Choosing Cafarelli because he will likely be considered scum / savage tomorrow. As soon as I get confirmation on this BM, i will post the final night actions

[FM Artaxerxes]

I will wait another 35 minutes so if you plan on posting, please do it now.

[FM Artaxerxes]

35 at most* looks like i'm only one here though zzz.

[FM Ferengi]

"In every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Caferelli without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."
Is this blackmail acceptable?

Choosing Cafarelli because he will likely be considered scum / savage tomorrow. As soon as I get confirmation on this BM, i will post the final night actions

Yes.

[FM Spartacus]

what if lookout?

[FM Spartacus]

Kill FM Kalou
swap FM Becket with FM Kalou
FM Galloway drugs fake blackmail to FM Parker
FM Buchwalter drugs FM Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Phelps blocks FM Kelso
FM Donelly blackmails FM Cafarelli"In every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Caferelli without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."

[FM Artaxerxes]

FM's please allow us until the deadline in case another one of my peoples show up for discussion.


Current plan for Night Actions.

FM Mendez/FM Artaxerxes kill FM Kalou
FM Dunn/FM Alphege swap FM Becket with FM Kalou
FM Galloway/FM Attila drugs fake blacksmith Armour to FM Parker
FM Buchwalter/FM Vespasian drugs FM Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Pheps/FM Spartacus blocks FM Kelso
FM Donnelly/FM Leonardo blackmails FM Ackerman with "In at least every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Colmyer without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."

Sucks to be throwing this together by myself. But I think it will cause enough misdirection and hopefully with only one blackmail people will be suspicious of either Colmyer or Morgan. We will see.

Spartacus I changed the blackmail on Cafarelli, he might die tonight to the Masons. Not worth the risk on him.

[FM Artaxerxes]

Also changed wording so that people one note a pattern in posting. For example he could be like

ASDASDASDASDASDASDADS SPAM

I think Colmyer is not scum because scum wouldnt have put so much attention on themself

SPAMPSMAPSMAPSAMPSAMPSAMPSSPAM

this is pretty easy to get around. Lol @ ur blackmail role -Leobro

[FM Artaxerxes]

Also changed wording so that people wont note a pattern in posting. For example he could be like

ASDASDASDASDASDASDADS SPAM

I think Colmyer is not scum because scum wouldnt have put so much attention on themself

SPAMPSMAPSMAPSAMPSAMPSAMPSSPAM

this is pretty easy to get around. Lol @ ur blackmail role -Leobro
fixed. Also thoughts? Maybe we should just make someone quote cleansed again, ha.

[FM Spartacus]

I don't know ask the blackmailer. I guess he is back tomorrah

[FM Artaxerxes]

Updated Current plan for Night Actions.

FM Mendez/FM Artaxerxes kill FM Kalou
FM Dunn/FM Alphege swap FM Becket with FM Kalou
FM Galloway/FM Attila drugs fake blacksmith Armour to FM Parker
FM Buchwalter/FM Vespasian drugs FM Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Pheps/FM Spartacus blocks FM Kelso
FM Donnelly/FM Leonardo blackmails FM Ackerman with "In at least every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Colmyer without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If there is no posts fosing or lynchvoting FM Colmyer, post analysis on why you think FM Colmyer is town. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."

Is this updated blackmail acceptable as well?

[FM Artaxerxes]

Why sleep at important time like this x(

[FM Artaxerxes]

Hour til here. Night guys. GL

[FM Ferengi]

Updated Current plan for Night Actions.

FM Mendez/FM Artaxerxes kill FM Kalou
FM Dunn/FM Alphege swap FM Becket with FM Kalou
FM Galloway/FM Attila drugs fake blacksmith Armour to FM Parker
FM Buchwalter/FM Vespasian drugs FM Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Pheps/FM Spartacus blocks FM Kelso
FM Donnelly/FM Leonardo blackmails FM Ackerman with "In at least every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Colmyer without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If there is no posts fosing or lynchvoting FM Colmyer, post analysis on why you think FM Colmyer is town. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."

Is this updated blackmail acceptable as well?

Actions accepted except for Galloway's. He set his to block feedback on Carrafeli in post #148, and his choice for his night action overrides what people might set.

[FM Leonardo]

Back at last.


Architect N1 kill was skill? Because he picked an avatar early? This doesn't mean anything i am afraid.

I want to know what the rest of the team thinks. Come sheeps come! Can we only once get to one agreement please? We are a team of 6 people(!) Come make more use of the night chat it's mostly the only advantage we have over town.

Whatever. If you refuse to acknowledge me, fine. I don't need your approval. Whether you like it or not, my methods have been successful in the past, which is about all I can say without risking a modkill.


Updated Current plan for Night Actions.

FM Mendez/FM Artaxerxes kill FM Kalou
FM Dunn/FM Alphege swap FM Becket with FM Kalou
FM Galloway/FM Attila drugs fake blacksmith Armour to FM Parker
FM Buchwalter/FM Vespasian drugs FM Ballard with bussed feedback
FM Pheps/FM Spartacus blocks FM Kelso
FM Donnelly/FM Leonardo blackmails FM Ackerman with "In at least every other post, you must attempt to derail or halt any lynch vote on FM Colmyer without revealing your role, investigations, feedbacks, trolling or jokes. If there is no posts fosing or lynchvoting FM Colmyer, post analysis on why you think FM Colmyer is town. If you do not complete this during the first day, we will kill you at night."

Is this updated blackmail acceptable as well?

I skimmed through the night chat to see where these actions came from. I still have no fucking clue why we're killing Beckett. Furthermore I see no reason why our kidnapper is involved with the kill since the whole point of using him in the first place was to avoid doctors on a high profile target (like Colmyer or Morgan).

Beckett is a worthless kill. He has posted a total of 8 times in two days. I've posted more than that in a single hour, and I'm purposely posting less than I otherwise might in order to stay under the radar. And not only that, but the posts he has made are pretty worthless and do no scum hunting whatsoever, all he does is encourage people to lynch. I'd be willing to bet that he's either a neutral or a bored citizen. And involving the kidnapper for someone a skilled doctor would never even think to target is a waste of another night action.

I still disagree with blocking kelso. I don't think he's the journalist and even if he is, I think the evil journalist (or the possibility of one) is more than enough to keep him from being effective without wasting our night actions on it.

Blackmailing Ackerman is risky. If he makes it obvious that he's blackmailed we'll have to hope the town thinks it's a ploy to clear himself and that they lynch him, otherwise they've gained someone else they can trust. He's not a bad blackmail target, though I think the blackmail itself could use some work. It seems very open to interpretation, which leaves a lot of room for maneuvering that I'd rather not give them. I made that mistake once, I won't make it again. But if I'm not mistaken, it's already too late for me to change them, so I guess I'll just have to pray they work out as is...

Sigh.

[FM Spartacus]

:weird:

[FM Spartacus]

why are you always so mean T_T

[FM Spartacus]

私のマスターを教える uguu~

[FM Leonardo]

I'm not usually mean. And I'm not trying to be now either. I'd just prefer it if in the future you would think a bit more about the actions before submitting them. And I mean really think about them. Think about what goals we need to accomplish and how best to achieve them with all of our night actions. I just think most of these actions don't really benefit us. Or if they do, it's a marginal benefit and not the optimal use of our abilities.

I know it's partially my fault for being absent. But it was unavoidable. Well, I hope it all works out...