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FM Leonardo
May 10th, 2013, 09:19 PM
Looking pretty good guys. Killed a PR night one, and got a citizen lynched during the day.

I'd like to discuss FM Cohen and what you all think of him. He claimed poisoned, which is clearly not true, given that we have no poisoner and we did not drug him... I think he is an ally (evil neutral, perhaps?) trying to communicate with us. But I suppose it could be a town ploy (perhaps by a doctor) to get us to come to that exact conclusion and trust him/leave him alone.

What say you?

Alphege
May 10th, 2013, 09:26 PM
The topic is if we buy that he is a neutral of some kind. If he is the easy mode answer is to drug him with interceptor feedback and name one of us.

FM Attila
May 10th, 2013, 09:28 PM
Honestly I have no idea what his point was in claiming to be posioned like he did. I can only speculate that he has a suspicion that Dunn is mafia/scum and is defending him if you noticed he hard defended him a bit. It is pretty prime witch/jester play if I am correct in my reads.

Notes to kill:
Morgan/Buch-whatever his name is-/

ill brb

Alphege
May 10th, 2013, 09:28 PM
I see him as more neutral. The current plan is to use his death or life to confirm mafia roles. That doesn't help town and I assume his actions are to be confusing. I say neutral over town.

FM Leonardo
May 10th, 2013, 09:29 PM
Side note- I realize I misjudged one of your COMs last night and now I have figured out who you really are. :D

But I think that's as much as I can say about that without getting modkilled. So... Cohen... What do we think of him?

Also lists of possible targets would be good. For the kill, I'm thinking maybe Monroe. Bishop hasn't claimed invest yet, so I can't act tonight. If he does it tomorrow, it might be in our best interest to kill him so he can't reveal my existence. I could blackmail him again as well, but since he clearly plans to wait until the second day (if he plans to complete my task at all), it might be more effective to just kill him and hope the next town I blackmail decides to complete my tasks more quickly.

FM Leonardo
May 10th, 2013, 09:29 PM
Honestly I have no idea what his point was in claiming to be posioned like he did. I can only speculate that he has a suspicion that Dunn is mafia/scum and is defending him if you noticed he hard defended him a bit. It is pretty prime witch/jester play if I am correct in my reads.

Notes to kill:
Morgan/Buch-whatever his name is-/

ill brb

Uh, Buchwalter is on our side. LOL

Alphege
May 10th, 2013, 09:33 PM
I'm sure you can say which persons com you have determined.
Btw, I have found Galloway. He is not a threat at this time.

Forum Mafia GM
May 10th, 2013, 09:34 PM
I'm sure you can say which persons com you have determined.
Btw, I have found Galloway. He is not a threat at this time.

FM Attila- FM Galloway- Drug Dealer

not that much of a threat

Alphege
May 10th, 2013, 09:34 PM
I have figured out Spartacus', and they really need to start posting more.

Alphege
May 10th, 2013, 09:34 PM
FM Attila- FM Galloway- Drug Dealer

not that much of a threat

Fun fact. I'm not good at knowing which name is which, gimme a second to remember who I meant.

FM Attila
May 10th, 2013, 09:36 PM
My bad. Im slow as fuck.

Alphege
May 10th, 2013, 09:36 PM
Never mind, that was they. And lets just say its good they are here.

FM Ferengi
May 10th, 2013, 09:39 PM
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FM Attila
May 10th, 2013, 10:41 PM
Things of Note:

Ballard is suspectible to posts that are reasonedly thought out and fairly large with substance. If you can make logical reads or suggestions he seems to pick up on them and follow with a small thought. This was shown when he jumped into the train on Dunn even though several people pointed out flaws. We can use him to our advantage in the mid/later game so long as there are not confirmed town who take up leader positions. So far he has proven to be a semi acceptable town leader whose only purpose is to setup trains or gather information. This is mostly subjective to my own thoughts however. Comments?

Morgan has shown to be clear headed and he collected the information throughout the chat and complied a rolelist. While this rolelist was not fairly accurate it was enough to give most of the townies out there the impulse to slot him pro-town and it would take way too much effort and time to try and persuade them differently. Thus I would suggest that we should try and remove him from the day chat as soon as possible before he leads the town to discover our roles sooner than we want him to. We also should not blackmail him at any point in time because there is little doubt in my mind that he will somehow find a way to out the blackmailor and subvert the rules bending him to silence. My best recommendation beyond killing him would be giving him fake feedback such as bussing or no feedback.

If you took notice there were three bus claims and we only choice to use the kidnapper to give the bussing feedbacks and our DD's prevented feedback. This means that there should be a bus driver, unless lying happened, and we need to factor that into our actions/choices/discussions. It might just be me but I find the inclusion of a bus driver, while not unexpected, to be a scary factor. Bus Driver can completely screw up our night actions and if used correctly can wind up making us, for example trying to prevent feedback in the inves, use our actions on unintended targets or ourselves. Our potential requires presicion and BD prevents that.

Dunn needs to change up how he is play as he is attracting way too much attention. I dunno what he needs to do and we need to discuss this before we move on for the night.

Do we have any suspects for Town PRs? Personally I believe that Monroe is something above a delta as well as Chapman. Their posts are just reserved enough to be town but above citizen due to lack of over activity.




comments?

Alphege
May 10th, 2013, 11:03 PM
Parker is possibly doctor.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 12:03 AM
Parker is possibly doctor.

Go on...

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 12:09 AM
So guys Ill be honest I was afraid that my subtle/not so subtle pushes to lynch McKelty over pressure him would go noticed and get called out on it.
Lucky for us the guy decided to derp in his defense.

I think we should continue with the prevent feedback for now:
Preliminary Night Actions:

Kill FM Mason
Bus FM Bishop with FM Morgan
Prevent feedback to FM Ballard
Prevent feedback to FM Parker
Roleblock FM Ackerman




{Subject to change as needed of course. Best to get them set up in case we forget later.}

Alphege
May 11th, 2013, 12:10 AM
Go on...

I'll compile my thoughts in strength in the morning. One of his early posts talked about saving people. Parker is either doctor or was saved last night.

Alphege
May 11th, 2013, 12:11 AM
I'd like us to give more thought to killing one of our bus targets. Giving a lack of feedback which can then be made up for with the drug dealers to get 2 people claiming bussed when only one was.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 12:15 AM
So guys Ill be honest I was afraid that my subtle/not so subtle pushes to lynch McKelty over pressure him would go noticed and get called out on it.
Lucky for us the guy decided to derp in his defense.

I think we should continue with the prevent feedback for now:
Preliminary Night Actions:

Kill FM Mason
Bus FM Bishop with FM Morgan
Prevent feedback to FM Ballard
Prevent feedback to FM Parker
Roleblock FM Ackerman




{Subject to change as needed of course. Best to get them set up in case we forget later.}

Wait, why kill Mason? Actually... Why target all of those people? Is there reasoning behind those or are they just random in case we all somehow lose access to internet for the next 45 hours?

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 12:19 AM
I'd like us to give more thought to killing one of our bus targets. Giving a lack of feedback which can then be made up for with the drug dealers to get 2 people claiming bussed when only one was.

I considered this. But 4 people were swapped last night and only 3 claimed... So they best I can think of is one of the people we blocked feedback from was swapped, so they never saw it and couldn't report it. I guess it's a matter of whether we want to let the town know we have a kidnapper, or let them know we have a drug dealer. They kind of nice thing about no fourth person claiming is that they can't be sure which (kidnapper or drug dealer) is responsible for the swap claims. Especially since they can't seem to reconcile the role block claims (which by the way, confirm the presence of 2 escorts who we should look out for) as well as the poison claim.

Speaking of the poison claim, it seems you guys all believe Cohen is neutral, which was my first thought as well. So what do you guys think? Should we try to reach out and coordinate with him somehow?

Alphege
May 11th, 2013, 12:29 AM
Send him an attacked and healed feedback to be subtle and see how he responds. He knows he wasn't poisoned so the attack is fake. If he responds like an ally we can interceptor feedback him one of us.

- green text because iPad -
What does a successful save from poison feedback look like?

Alphege
May 11th, 2013, 12:30 AM
If he is a gambiting town he won't be certain of the attack feedback.

Alphege
May 11th, 2013, 12:31 AM
Also, another use of the bussing is to throw one of us around to be used like a framer.
It would make one of us more immune to detection, and potentially frame the town target

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 12:32 AM
Wait, why kill Mason? Actually... Why target all of those people? Is there reasoning behind those or are they just random in case we all somehow lose access to internet for the next 45 hours?


It's a little of both.
FM Mason played it cool yesterday and posted enough to be below the radar. Mason, iirc, gave some interest in the game and gave feedback, bussing, way late into the day. Imo its either mislynch Mason or kill Mason because she isn't on our team and she plays the game restrainedly. From what I am reading from her posts so far she has a fair chance at being one of these roles with how close to the vest she has been playing it. {Architect, Blacksmith, Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Doctor, Escort, Jailor, Vigilante, Veteran}.

Bishop even with all of his bigger posts has effectively done very little to seem active today. If I were a killing neutral I would go after Bishop because he is not myself and he has blended a bit with his posts while not giving all he could in the day chat. He seems to be one of those individuals who is likely to get targeted and honestly I want Morgan gone before he can do damage to us. bussing Morgan and Bishop would effectively complete the plan.
Ballard seems like a good candidate for targeting tonight, witch wise, and I'd like to prevent him from knowing he got witched if he is a town power role.
Parker has been suggested to be a doctor here and I don't find myself disagreeing with that. If he does target Cohen, who is a jester like I believe, it could very well help further our cause to slant the town against one of these two players.
Ackerman was randomized.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 12:37 AM
Small notice:

FM Black has already asked to be replaced and will be at the end of the day.

Dunno what it means exactly but at the late time in which it happened I could think that this player here could be a Town Power Role.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 01:33 AM
Player: - Night 1:


FM Ackerman -
FM Ballard -
FM Becket -
FM Bekowsky -
FM Biggs - witched
FM Bishop - BMed
FM Black -
FM Buchwalter -
FM Cafarelli - druged
FM Carruthers -
FM Chapman -
FM Cohen - posioned
FM Colmyer - blocked
FM Donnelly -
FM Dunn -
FM Earle -
FM Fontaine -
FM Gage - killed
FM Galletta - blocked
FM Galloway -
FM Green -
FM Hogeboom - bussed
FM Hopgood - blocked
FM Kalou -
FM Kelso - druged
FM Leary -
FM Lichtmann -
FM Mason - bussed
FM McKelty - BS item (?)
FM Mendez - bussed
FM Monroe - bussed
FM Morgan -
FM Parker -
FM Phelps -
FM Rose -
FM Ryan -


These are all the actions we know took place. The ones that are Bolded are public and was revealed during the day. The ones that are colored red are actions we caused. Actions in Italic are action we know happened but wasn't revealed during the day. Green names are dead Town.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 01:41 AM
By the way, some questions for a few of you:

Artaxerxes/ Mendez- Why did you turn off invis mode on your night account randomly? Why would you EVER turn off invis mode on ANY account?

Alphege/ Dunn- Why did you try to pressure me? I get that we have to avoid buddying and such, but... I'm not sure I understand your angle. It seemed like you were drawing more attention to yourself AND to me while I was trying (and, I think, succeeding) in mostly staying under the radar. No one else was accusing me. You just came out of nowhere, which I feel kind of ruined the nice status I had achieved in which everyone recognized me as a somewhat active and somewhat useful participant in the game (not lurking and not just posting fluff) while at the same time not being questioned.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 02:21 AM
Leonardo I was a little annoyed with the fact that you ignored all the agreement we had about not using DDers last night. And i was in bed by time you posted the Preliminary Night Actions (I think, again not sure cause of crappy time-stamps).

But preventing feedback on random people doesn't help us at all. In fact I would say it has a high chance of revealing that we have one or more DDers. If we hit someone like a Sheriff who knows he is to get feedback but then gets none.We have no Consig so we have to gain information from them.

A better use for the DDer ability may be to fake another poison. Because there is no way we can be 100% sure who the Doctor is, we can't fake Cohen's save to him. But i guess Cohen knows this and wanna be lynched maybe, but if someone else claim poisoned we can at least keep the false truth of there being a Poisoner. But this depends on rather Cohen wants to get lynched or not.


We do nothing. Cohen gets lynched because of no new poisoning claim and lack of Doctor save.
We fake a poisoning. Cohen has a better chance as no one wanna claim Doctor and say otherwise and bonus to us if they do claim Doctor.


There really is no way back from the claim he made unless we do a fake poisoning, but chances are that's what he wants.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 02:39 AM
As for Bishop's blackmail:
"Claim investigator"

He clearly thinks he has found a way around this with his little "gag" (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317708&viewfull=1#post317708). And he is pushing it to two days as we thought.

We clearly should think more before BMing next time. But i had thought we were going to not use the BMer first night either as we had talked about.

"Only role claim as Investigator" may have been better, as that would mean he can't role claim as anything else like Bishop is doing right now.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 02:58 AM
I have to go now to help my mom at her store, I will be back in a couple of hours. Luckily this night is 48 hours long, compared to the first night.

Alphege
May 11th, 2013, 03:34 AM
By the way, some questions for a few of you:

Artaxerxes/ Mendez- Why did you turn off invis mode on your night account randomly? Why would you EVER turn off invis mode on ANY account?

Alphege/ Dunn- Why did you try to pressure me? I get that we have to avoid buddying and such, but... I'm not sure I understand your angle. It seemed like you were drawing more attention to yourself AND to me while I was trying (and, I think, succeeding) in mostly staying under the radar. No one else was accusing me. You just came out of nowhere, which I feel kind of ruined the nice status I had achieved in which everyone recognized me as a somewhat active and somewhat useful participant in the game (not lurking and not just posting fluff) while at the same time not being questioned.

My pressure was half baked. We both ended up looking like stupid town. Your stance was generally the consensus, and my stance was aggressive. Aggressiveness is the norm for town, regardless of full clarity in the attack

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 04:30 AM
I'm Buchwalter.

I didn't really enter the day with any kind of plan as to how I should act. Only knew I shouldn't lie (too much) or buddy with you guys.

I ended up doing what I always do in SC2 Mafia, play passive and not take a stand till it is meaningful. I did however get into the little habit of posting the list (or "tally" as Cohen called it), I rather enjoy doing that, but as it was pointed out I didn't do much of anything else.

Don't know what you guys think of that.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 05:28 AM
[QUOTE=FM Leonardo;318394]By the way, some questions for a few of you:

Artaxerxes/ Mendez- Why did you turn off invis mode on your night account randomly? Why would you EVER turn off invis mode on ANY account?
I was confused myself when I saw people posting about it. I never even touched the settings. I had just logged on to read. I pmed the gamemaster to make sure everything was cool. Also please forigve me for not being here night one. I legit had exams and was unaware.

Anyways my thoughts-
Cohen is giving me a town vibe, possibly a role that can easily prove itself. I think his poison play is to try and get one of us to call him out on it. These are the options as I see it.

-Attack Cohen. There is a chance a doc might try to still save him. People will notice the one kill and think we either found a vest or got roleblocked. Downsides is if he is trying to side with us, we just ruined it.

-Ignore Cohen. Cohen can claim it was drugged but town may not believe him. I don't think we should pressure him, as he could use it to trap one of us for calling him out. If this is the case, a townie may be overzealous and attempt to pressure him and become a lynch target. This also helps us in case he is a epsilon ghost or jester.

-Pressure Cohen. Call him out on being fake poisoned. Or hint at it. OR we can not send any drug about fake poison. If Cohen comes out day 2, reveals he is town and that he lied about the poison, everyone will assume the second poison is also fake.

I don't think Cohen will be lynched because of his poison claim. He already thinks of himself as a town leader. I think he actually may be an Alpha, but thats just a guess. I don't like the idea of faking more poisons. Our setup has a lot of opportunity to confuse town, but if there is truly no neutral killer, we have to be extremely efficient with our kills.


My guesses to other peoples roles.

Chapman - Vigi? Or bored townie. Talking about if he's vigi he will shoot mckelty, and how he plans on shooting certain people.
Bishop - Unsure. Vespasian please let me know what you say he claimed. I must've misread that post. He seems a good target to kill though.
Monroe - His post about being positive that there is a coroner makes me think he is the actual coroner.
Galloway - We should think about using the kidnapper to bus him. He put a lot of negative attention on himself and I expect him to have pressure on him soon.
Morgan - Not good at hiding com like galloway :) Attacking him would be a good idea, but he is a good choice for doctors. We could take a chance on poisoning him to see how he reacts.
Biggs - him being witched and revealing it so late in the day is strange and people didn't pressure it enough. It's possible he is lying about it.

Information we have that town doesnt have -
We know that Mason and monroe and myself and hogeboom was bussed.
We know there is no poisoner.
We know that there is definitely a blackmailer.
We know that there are 2 escorts and 1 consort.
We know Monroe is hiding that he was bussed.

We need to put together a plan. Last night we got lucky killing the architect. The preventing feedback was lucky we didn't hit any PRs that can tell they were being prevented. The blackmail was atrociously bad.

If I understand the role correctly. Bishop knows 100% that we have a blackmailer, so we need to make sure our future blackmails are not so obvious. He could make a single post saying just "I am the investigator". We need to make it more specific.

For now I think we should kill Bishop. He is a good analyzer and it will keep the proof of our blackmail hidden. Also it will allow us to make another blackmail on n3.
The Drug dealers should try to send out some misdirection. Being able to fake a blackmail is just as good as an actual blackmail. No one is going to risk not doing it and dying. We need to discuss if we want to take up the faking poisons with cohen plan. With three roleblocks normally, we can put out a lot of confusion sending out more roleblocks.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 05:29 AM
Fixed the quote.

By the way, some questions for a few of you:

Artaxerxes/ Mendez- Why did you turn off invis mode on your night account randomly? Why would you EVER turn off invis mode on ANY account?
I was confused myself when I saw people posting about it. I never even touched the settings. I had just logged on to read. I pmed the gamemaster to make sure everything was cool. Also please forigve me for not being here night one. I legit had exams and was unaware.

Anyways my thoughts-
Cohen is giving me a town vibe, possibly a role that can easily prove itself. I think his poison play is to try and get one of us to call him out on it. These are the options as I see it.

-Attack Cohen. There is a chance a doc might try to still save him. People will notice the one kill and think we either found a vest or got roleblocked. Downsides is if he is trying to side with us, we just ruined it.

-Ignore Cohen. Cohen can claim it was drugged but town may not believe him. I don't think we should pressure him, as he could use it to trap one of us for calling him out. If this is the case, a townie may be overzealous and attempt to pressure him and become a lynch target. This also helps us in case he is a epsilon ghost or jester.

-Pressure Cohen. Call him out on being fake poisoned. Or hint at it. OR we can not send any drug about fake poison. If Cohen comes out day 2, reveals he is town and that he lied about the poison, everyone will assume the second poison is also fake.

I don't think Cohen will be lynched because of his poison claim. He already thinks of himself as a town leader. I think he actually may be an Alpha, but thats just a guess. I don't like the idea of faking more poisons. Our setup has a lot of opportunity to confuse town, but if there is truly no neutral killer, we have to be extremely efficient with our kills.


My guesses to other peoples roles.

Chapman - Vigi? Or bored townie. Talking about if he's vigi he will shoot mckelty, and how he plans on shooting certain people.
Bishop - Unsure. Vespasian please let me know what you say he claimed. I must've misread that post. He seems a good target to kill though.
Monroe - His post about being positive that there is a coroner makes me think he is the actual coroner.
Galloway - We should think about using the kidnapper to bus him. He put a lot of negative attention on himself and I expect him to have pressure on him soon.
Morgan - Not good at hiding com like galloway :) Attacking him would be a good idea, but he is a good choice for doctors. We could take a chance on poisoning him to see how he reacts.
Biggs - him being witched and revealing it so late in the day is strange and people didn't pressure it enough. It's possible he is lying about it.

Information we have that town doesnt have -
We know that Mason and monroe and myself and hogeboom was bussed.
We know there is no poisoner.
We know that there is definitely a blackmailer.
We know that there are 2 escorts and 1 consort.
We know Monroe is hiding that he was bussed.

We need to put together a plan. Last night we got lucky killing the architect. The preventing feedback was lucky we didn't hit any PRs that can tell they were being prevented. The blackmail was atrociously bad.

If I understand the role correctly. Bishop knows 100% that we have a blackmailer, so we need to make sure our future blackmails are not so obvious. He could make a single post saying just "I am the investigator". We need to make it more specific.

For now I think we should kill Bishop. He is a good analyzer and it will keep the proof of our blackmail hidden. Also it will allow us to make another blackmail on n3.
The Drug dealers should try to send out some misdirection. Being able to fake a blackmail is just as good as an actual blackmail. No one is going to risk not doing it and dying. We need to discuss if we want to take up the faking poisons with cohen plan. With three roleblocks normally, we can put out a lot of confusion sending out more roleblocks.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 05:30 AM
I'm Buchwalter.

I didn't really enter the day with any kind of plan as to how I should act. Only knew I shouldn't lie (too much) or buddy with you guys.

I ended up doing what I always do in SC2 Mafia, play passive and not take a stand till it is meaningful. I did however get into the little habit of posting the list (or "tally" as Cohen called it), I rather enjoy doing that, but as it was pointed out I didn't do much of anything else.

Don't know what you guys think of that.
A lot of people take it as scummy. However they are seeming to eat it up, so I'd say you are doing good.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 05:46 AM
So guys Ill be honest I was afraid that my subtle/not so subtle pushes to lynch McKelty over pressure him would go noticed and get called out on it.
Lucky for us the guy decided to derp in his defense.

I think we should continue with the prevent feedback for now:
Preliminary Night Actions:

Kill FM Mason
Bus FM Bishop with FM Morgan
Prevent feedback to FM Ballard
Prevent feedback to FM Parker
Roleblock FM Ackerman




{Subject to change as needed of course. Best to get them set up in case we forget later.}

Mason may be a good choice to kill. Bishop would be better though.

Morgan is definitely showing a position for town leader. If we give him a good blackmail, it could cause a good bit of confusion. I think he should be our next target after Bishop. Possibly we should send him a poison feedback to waste another doc kill.

Preventing feedback doesn't help us and just confirms the drugdealer is present. Until we know somebody is a investigative role, we do not need to prevent feedback. Roleblocking Ackerman is confusing to me. I think someone like Monroe would be a good target. He is definitely not helping town by hiding the fact he was bussed.

It's early here. Ill come back with some fresh thoughts later.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 06:29 AM
Wake up guys.

I think we should use the drug dealer to send a fake blackmail to Cohen saying "Do not reveal your role. Do not reveal that you lied about being poisoned".

This will allow our other drug dealer to send a poison feedback out and cause town to become very suspicious of Cohen. So my idea for this nights actions

Kill Bishop
Fake blackmail Cohen "Do not reveal your role. Do not reveal that you lied about being poisoned or deny the existence of a poisoner" *I want to be more specific. Less chance of him sneaking through it.*
Fake Poison to Morgan or possibly one of the lurkers. They would expect us to go after lurkers with poison to ensure we get a kill, so it seems reasonable.
Roleblock Monroe. Reasoning explained earlier.
Unsure of who to bus yet. I'll think about it. Perhaps we could do classic swap and kill. So swap Bishop and Lichtmann and then attack Lichtmann.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 09:23 AM
If im thinking about this right, I just got up so paitence, than:

○ Sending the fake blackmail card to Cohen with the terms "Don't reveal your role/lying about being poisend(?)
○ Sending Morgan fake poisioned(?)
○ Bussing Dunn and Litchmann/Ballard
○ Killing Bishop/Chapman

Are a few actions I would prefer being done.

If you noticed Dunn had more pressure on him than any of us and with the mislynch people with be looking for a fresh lead and dollars to donuts they check him because of the day chat pressure he got into.

Thoughts about the revised night action idea?

FM Ferengi
May 11th, 2013, 10:07 AM
I think we should use the drug dealer to send a fake blackmail to Cohen saying "Do not reveal your role. Do not reveal that you lied about being poisoned".

This (fake) blackmail most likely will not be approved. We stated that you can't get someone to claim their role and only their role, and I think asking them not to reveal their role (specifically their role) would also be disallowed since you do not know what their role is. A blackmail task must be something that you can hold people accountable for.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 10:51 AM
^

change it to dont reveal that you lied about being posioned?

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 11:22 AM
Leonardo I was a little annoyed with the fact that you ignored all the agreement we had about not using DDers last night. And i was in bed by time you posted the Preliminary Night Actions (I think, again not sure cause of crappy time-stamps).

I don't recall anyone ever saying that we should not use our drug dealers. All that was said was that we shouldn't reveal their existence, which I why I picked a drug for them to use that was unlikely to set off any alarms. The only roles that would recognize a drug dealer blocked their feedback would be investigative roles, and if they report it to the town, they reveal themselves as PRs and allow us to easily pick them off. In any case I said for people to post if they had a problem with the actions, and none of our other members had any issues, so we went ahead with the actions I suggested.


As for Bishop's blackmail:
"Claim investigator"

He clearly thinks he has found a way around this with his little "gag" (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317708&viewfull=1#post317708). And he is pushing it to two days as we thought.

We clearly should think more before BMing next time. But i had thought we were going to not use the BMer first night either as we had talked about.

"Only role claim as Investigator" may have been better, as that would mean he can't role claim as anything else like Bishop is doing right now.

No, the wording doesn't matter. After speaking with Clem at length about the role, she is adamant that there are to be no loopholes with it. An example she gave was that the town might try to prove someone is blackmailer by having everyone claim blackmailed except the blackmailed person, so that the town would be able to figure out who it was without them technically claiming it. She said in that instance the blackmailed person would actually be forced to claim blackmailed in order to appear not blackmailed in order to avoid the penalty for claiming blackmailed.

Based on that, I think it is safe to conclude that his little game will not be of any use to him, and may in fact cause him to suicide as a result. But just to be sure:

If Bishop claims investigator as part of a long list of other "claims", will he qualify as having completed my task?

If Bishop claims investigator by itself, but alludes that it's part of his "gag", will that count as completing my task?



We need to put together a plan. Last night we got lucky killing the architect. The preventing feedback was lucky we didn't hit any PRs that can tell they were being prevented. The blackmail was atrociously bad.

If I understand the role correctly. Bishop knows 100% that we have a blackmailer, so we need to make sure our future blackmails are not so obvious. He could make a single post saying just "I am the investigator". We need to make it more specific.

For now I think we should kill Bishop. He is a good analyzer and it will keep the proof of our blackmail hidden. Also it will allow us to make another blackmail on n3.
The Drug dealers should try to send out some misdirection. Being able to fake a blackmail is just as good as an actual blackmail. No one is going to risk not doing it and dying. We need to discuss if we want to take up the faking poisons with cohen plan. With three roleblocks normally, we can put out a lot of confusion sending out more roleblocks.

I don't know why you're hating on me so hard. First off, no one, including you, suggested another (valid) blackmail. So I got the ball rolling. I purposely didn't have him claim fake feedback because it likely would have been seen as the result of a drug dealer and we didn't want to out them. I decided to use it instead to see how he would react to being blackmailed. His reaction has proved to us that he is a smart, level-headed player. But I don't think he checked with the hosts ahead of time about his little claim idea, because I don't think they'll allow it. But I guess we'll see.

As to the feedback being blocked, as I stated above, the only things that could know or reveal that information are investigative roles, and the second they do, they reveal themselves as investigative roles and allow us to kill them. Frankly, I see no problem with this.

And yeah, Bishop knows that we either have a drug dealer or a blackmailer. But what did you want me to do, never blackmail anyone? Because that's the only way to keep my night action from giving anyone that information.

I see no reason to kill Bishop just yet. Even if he completes my task, the blackmail is not lifted until the day ends, so he won't be able to claim that he was blackmailed until the following day. And if his "loophole" doesn't work (as I suspect it won't) then he'll be forced to suicide tomorrow anyway.


If im thinking about this right, I just got up so paitence, than:

○ Sending the fake blackmail card to Cohen with the terms "Don't reveal your role/lying about being poisend(?)
○ Sending Morgan fake poisioned(?)
○ Bussing Dunn and Litchmann/Ballard
○ Killing Bishop/Chapman

Are a few actions I would prefer being done.

If you noticed Dunn had more pressure on him than any of us and with the mislynch people with be looking for a fresh lead and dollars to donuts they check him because of the day chat pressure he got into.

Thoughts about the revised night action idea?

The only problem with swapping Dunn is the absence of a bussed claim. There will be 3 claimers if dunn doesn't claim. Of course, that's what we had on day 1, but... then we confirm the presence of a drug dealer. Even though it's not a drug, that's how they'll take it. We could drug someone else with bussed feedback in order to round out the claims, but then we confirm our kidnapper's existence (I doubt they'll believe we have two drug dealers at this stage).

I guess that's our mafia's weakness: We can cause a lot of confusion, but we also confirm what roles we are (or at least, narrow ourselves down to a few possible roles) every time we act. It might be good to use our dual drug dealers to create some fake roles soon (maybe tomorrow night).

As was mentioned last night, we can create a fake interceptor. Other roles we can fabricate include:

poisoner
architect? (not sure how this would work since it's a day thing, but I think we can still fake it, right?
escort/consort (even on an investigative role if we use the roleblock drug AND the no feedback drug on them, since the "no feedback" doesn't apply to feedback we cause, so they would see "roleblocked" but not their results)
bus driver/kidnapper (6 swapped claims, anyone?
blacksmith (giving fake vests would result in megalulz if we later kill the person at night when they try to use their vest. fake guns would reveal themselves to be fake easily and confirm our drug dealer, but could be useful as a reaction test)
doctor
Arsonist
Witch (double witching feedback [assuming the witched claim on day 1 was legit] would confuse the fuck out of them. Is random any a second witch? Is one of the witchings a drug? If so, who was really witched?)
Student (will only be convincing until the day ends and there is no night chat. could be useful for reaction tests. Perhaps on Cohen to see if he reveals it to town or not. Might give us a better gauge of his alignment)

That's all I can think of for the moment. We can of course fake every possible night feedback, but those roles are the only ones I felt people would actually believe, albeit only temporarily (ie. architect/student).

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 11:26 AM
Aww, I forgot to color bd/kidnapper. Meh, whatever. You know what alignments they are.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 11:32 AM
If we go with creating fake roles then witching is our best bet I believe. Morgan already believes that the random any is a witch and we can solidify that misinformation in him with that drugging. This also will give the benefit of discrediting him when it turns out to be fake if he becomes adamant about it, like he was in the day chat.
Anything with nightchats needs to be scrapped because it has no long term benefit, which I believe we need.
I would agree to nofeedback + roleblocked in the future but right now I disagree with it because it is just a bit too much of a unforseeable variable tonight.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 11:34 AM
Hoenstly the issue about bussing is not that big of one because tomorrow I forsee 4 claims of bussing happening and we can easily pin two bus drivers on the town with the presence of a fake poisner for a few days.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 11:45 AM
I don't know why you're hating on me so hard. First off, no one, including you, suggested another (valid) blackmail. So I got the ball rolling. I purposely didn't have him claim fake feedback because it likely would have been seen as the result of a drug dealer and we didn't want to out them. I decided to use it instead to see how he would react to being blackmailed. His reaction has proved to us that he is a smart, level-headed player. But I don't think he checked with the hosts ahead of time about his little claim idea, because I don't think they'll allow it. But I guess we'll see.

As to the feedback being blocked, as I stated above, the only things that could know or reveal that information are investigative roles, and the second they do, they reveal themselves as investigative roles and allow us to kill them. Frankly, I see no problem with this.

And yeah, Bishop knows that we either have a drug dealer or a blackmailer. But what did you want me to do, never blackmail anyone? Because that's the only way to keep my night action from giving anyone that information.

I see no reason to kill Bishop just yet. Even if he completes my task, the blackmail is not lifted until the day ends, so he won't be able to claim that he was blackmailed until the following day. And if his "loophole" doesn't work (as I suspect it won't) then he'll be forced to suicide tomorrow anyway.
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Your right I shouldn't have been afk. No i want you to blackmail, we just can't be as obvious as the one we did. I want him killed because if he passes the blackmail he can just confirm to everyone he was blackmailed. If he suicides, we are in a good bet.

@atilla. If we change it to just don't reveal about lying about poison, that could work. Curious though, is there any reason you chose ballard or licht to be bussed with dunn? I agree we should bus Dunn though.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 11:48 AM
There is nothing more to my choice in bussing Dunn with Litch or Ballard than the fact those two players are more likely town than not and I fear Dunn is getting checked tonight.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 12:02 PM
○ Sending the fake blackmail card to Cohen with the terms "Don't reveal that your lying about being poisoned"
○ Sending Morgan fake poison feedback
○ Bussing Dunn and Litchmann
○ Killing Chapman

Im really paranoid about missing night actions so thats why Im doing this.
Please feel free to suggest alternatives if you wish.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 01:07 PM
Your right I shouldn't have been afk. No i want you to blackmail, we just can't be as obvious as the one we did. I want him killed because if he passes the blackmail he can just confirm to everyone he was blackmailed. If he suicides, we are in a good bet.

If he doesn't suicide by tomorrow night, we can kill him then.


○ Sending the fake blackmail card to Cohen with the terms "Don't reveal that your lying about being poisoned"
○ Sending Morgan fake poison feedback
○ Bussing Dunn and Litchmann
○ Killing Chapman

Im really paranoid about missing night actions so thats why Im doing this.
Please feel free to suggest alternatives if you wish.

Why is Chapman the kill target? None of us have mentioned killing Chapman, and he doesn't strike me as much of a threat to us. I think Monroe or Colmyer would be better kill targets.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 01:11 PM
○ Sending the fake blackmail card to Cohen with the terms "Don't reveal that your lying about being poisoned"
○ Sending Morgan fake poison feedback
○ Bussing Dunn and Litchmann
○ Killing Chapman

Im really paranoid about missing night actions so thats why Im doing this.
Please feel free to suggest alternatives if you wish.

This all looks good to me. It's going to really throw off Cohen.

However we have to worry about the possibility of Cohen being a neutral trying to message us. If we do this we are basically condemning him.


Leo, have you talked with the fm about his gag? To me it seems like he passed the blackmail, in a clever way.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 01:23 PM
This all looks good to me. It's going to really throw off Cohen.

However we have to worry about the possibility of Cohen being a neutral trying to message us. If we do this we are basically condemning him.


Leo, have you talked with the fm about his gag? To me it seems like he passed the blackmail, in a clever way.

I don't see the point of sending the fake blackmail to Cohen. He knows we know that he's lying. It's not going to throw him off at all. It'll just make him think we're stupid. If we're going to send him anything, it should either be a drug that's obviously fake, or it should be a blackmail that gives him some information about us (ie. "Do not vote Galloway" or something). It's a bit early to directly reveal ourselves like that, so I think an obviously fake drug would work nicely.

Or we could ignore cohen until we have more information (our best option in my opinion) and use our second drug dealer to continue to confuse the town. I confess myself a bit upset that we don't have a consigliere. It would be very helpful right now in regards to Cohen. Come to think of it, Cohen probably thinks we have a consigliere and is hoping we check him. Which could mean he's an evil wanting to side with us, but he could also be a veteran. Sending a drug dealer to him might be a huge mistake.

I think we should leave him alone for now until we have more information. Perhaps we can subtly convince town to have their investigative roles check him and see if we can spot hints as to the results in the day chat.

FM Ferengi
May 11th, 2013, 01:29 PM
If Bishop claims investigator as part of a long list of other "claims", will he qualify as having completed my task?

Yes. You just blackmailed him to "claim investigator"


If Bishop claims investigator by itself, but alludes that it's part of his "gag", will that count as completing my task?

As long as he "claims investigator" which is the only thing you blackmailed him to do, it will count as completing the task.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 01:32 PM
Why is Chapman the kill target? None of us have mentioned killing Chapman, and he doesn't strike me as much of a threat to us. I think Monroe or Colmyer would be better kill targets.

Keeps talking about if he is a vig. And how he will shoot people. But I didn't see any of us on his list. Also It screamed citizen trying to take a hit to me. Not worth a kill. Good eye.

Colmyer may be a good target. I also think killing Parker may be important.

He made a post in day chat (Post #425) (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19801-Day-1?p=317988#post317988) about people being trustworthy and named Cohen, Galloway and someone named Metzger?

I looked around for something close to Metzger and couldn't find anything. Possible night chat account slip?



Just read your recent post. Leo you are assuming that he is a evil neutral and it's very possible. However, he is also taking up a "town leader" role which makes me believe he is a town that can prove itself like Mayor. My original blackmail idea was on the possibility that he is this and we could force a lynch on him easily. If he is an evil neutral as you suspect, then perhaps we need to reevaluate our plans. Ignoring Cohen is very possible, i'm sure an investigative role will visit him eventually.

However then we need to come up with a new plan. I think with our setup we can seriously control votes. Imagine the blackmailer and both of the drugs sending blackmails to sheep vote on someone. I highly doubt Cohen is a veteran. If he is he is taking a huge risk that towns wont visit him.

Since Bishop has completed his blackmail apparently, he should be high priority for our kills.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 02:01 PM
I was not aware that I had to be so specific. I was led to believe loopholes would not be allowed. I guess I'll start writing journalist article length blackmails to close every goddamn loophole.

Maybe I'll write my task in code so they have to solve the code before they even know what the fuck they have to do. It doesn't say I can't do that, so it must be allowed. I'll work on finding/creating the most difficult possible cipher in which to write my blackmails.

As for Cohen, I just think we need more information. We don't know enough about him to know if he's trustworthy. And I should remind you that things are not always as they seem. Town leaders are not always actually town. Sometimes they are just very good scum. Particularly in the case of neutral evils, who don't have a team they can rely on, and must blend in to survive.

Bishop hasn't completed it yet. He will complete it tomorrow. We can kill him tomorrow night, if you wish. Or I could send him a more complex blackmail (since apparently that's not only allowed, but necessary) which will still keep him from claiming, and possibly force him so suicide if he can't solve it in time.

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 02:13 PM
I was not aware that I had to be so specific. I was led to believe loopholes would not be allowed. I guess I'll start writing journalist article length blackmails to close every goddamn loophole.

Maybe I'll write my task in code so they have to solve the code before they even know what the fuck they have to do. It doesn't say I can't do that, so it must be allowed. I'll work on finding/creating the most difficult possible cipher in which to write my blackmails.

As for Cohen, I just think we need more information. We don't know enough about him to know if he's trustworthy. And I should remind you that things are not always as they seem. Town leaders are not always actually town. Sometimes they are just very good scum. Particularly in the case of neutral evils, who don't have a team they can rely on, and must blend in to survive.

Bishop hasn't completed it yet. He will complete it tomorrow. We can kill him tomorrow night, if you wish. Or I could send him a more complex blackmail (since apparently that's not only allowed, but necessary) which will still keep him from claiming, and possibly force him so suicide if he can't solve it in time.
Ok. The cipher will probably not be allowed and we got plenty of nights still, so no problem. However if you can send him another blackmail that would be great. I'll think about something that can't be so easily abused. I will think of something.

So what do you think about Parkers post? Just coincidence? You are the only one here so I want to get another opinion on it.

If you don't want Cohen attacked then we should consider a new person. Colmyers and Parker are the two that are below the radar enough in my eyes. Trying to kill Morgan, as much as I'd like to, might show some resistance.

Switzerland, will you be replacing Phelps for us?

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 02:58 PM
Wake up guys.

I think we should use the drug dealer to send a fake blackmail to Cohen saying "Do not reveal your role. Do not reveal that you lied about being poisoned".

This will allow our other drug dealer to send a poison feedback out and cause town to become very suspicious of Cohen. So my idea for this nights actions

Kill Bishop
Fake blackmail Cohen "Do not reveal your role. Do not reveal that you lied about being poisoned or deny the existence of a poisoner" *I want to be more specific. Less chance of him sneaking through it.*
Fake Poison to Morgan or possibly one of the lurkers. They would expect us to go after lurkers with poison to ensure we get a kill, so it seems reasonable.
Roleblock Monroe. Reasoning explained earlier.
Unsure of who to bus yet. I'll think about it. Perhaps we could do classic swap and kill. So swap Bishop and Lichtmann and then attack Lichtmann.
I support these actions. Bussing the person we wanna kill on the other hand may be a bad idea, we already had a day with only 3 confirmed bussings, or it could work good for us?

I would say the BM attempt on Bishop failed and it would be a good thing to just get rid of him.

Fake poison Morgan sounds awesome, and we will get to see how Cohen react to that.

As for the second DDer I would suggest a fake BM maybe. Since we can not use our BMer, we can use DDer to make a simple fake BM with no matter.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 03:09 PM
Hmm... Kills go before blackmail in the OoO. So technically if I submit a blackmail tonight and the current blackmail victim dies, I should be able to blackmail tonight. Right? Can I blackmail tonight if the currently blackmailed person dies?

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 03:15 PM
Just read your recent post. Leo you are assuming that he is a evil neutral and it's very possible. However, he is also taking up a "town leader" role which makes me believe he is a town that can prove itself like Mayor. My original blackmail idea was on the possibility that he is this and we could force a lynch on him easily. If he is an evil neutral as you suspect, then perhaps we need to reevaluate our plans. Ignoring Cohen is very possible, i'm sure an investigative role will visit him eventually.

However then we need to come up with a new plan. I think with our setup we can seriously control votes. Imagine the blackmailer and both of the drugs sending blackmails to sheep vote on someone. I highly doubt Cohen is a veteran. If he is he is taking a huge risk that towns wont visit him.
Considering this I now think too that it would maybe be a bad idea to send anyone to Cohen. He was very clear on not wanting a Doctor, and if he planned for us to think he is siding with us, it may be bait.

I would much rather have we just fake poison Morgan and see if Cohen can handle him self. Cohen can easily say that a Doctor healed him even against his wishes.

So the second DDer needs something else to do. Any ideas?

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 03:32 PM
I don't recall anyone ever saying that we should not use our drug dealers. All that was said was that we shouldn't reveal their existence, which I why I picked a drug for them to use that was unlikely to set off any alarms. The only roles that would recognize a drug dealer blocked their feedback would be investigative roles, and if they report it to the town, they reveal themselves as PRs and allow us to easily pick them off. In any case I said for people to post if they had a problem with the actions, and none of our other members had any issues, so we went ahead with the actions I suggested.

Already agreed that DDers and BMer should rest for now.

I at least voiced my desire to not have DDer and BMer take action.

The blocking of feedback however could block stuff like roleblocks, bussings, or witchings. Losing one of those feedback could have left us in the dark about the Town's power, or possible Neutrals.
It having blocked a Investigator or Sheriff's feedback would have been awesome, but still above point is more critical for me right now.


I don't know why you're hating on me so hard. First off, no one, including you, suggested another (valid) blackmail. So I got the ball rolling. I purposely didn't have him claim fake feedback because it likely would have been seen as the result of a drug dealer and we didn't want to out them. I decided to use it instead to see how he would react to being blackmailed. His reaction has proved to us that he is a smart, level-headed player. But I don't think he checked with the hosts ahead of time about his little claim idea, because I don't think they'll allow it. But I guess we'll see.

You are first of all complaining to the two wrong people. Artaxerxes was not here night 1 and could have suggested anything else.

Me on the other hand. I'm a little knew at this and did not even know you should select other member's night action. Other then that I was in bad by that time and never got to question much of it.

The little "test" BM you sent to Bishop could have been a drug maybe, that way we could have used BMer tonight. Because now the BM is clearly wasted.

Not really hating on you, just sad that night 1 was only 24 hours long, and I didn't understand all the workings or get to ask questions about it in time.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 03:34 PM
You are first of all complaining to the two wrong people. Artaxerxes was not here night 1 and could have suggested anything else.

And could not have suggested anything else.

FM Ferengi
May 11th, 2013, 03:41 PM
Switzerland, will you be replacing Phelps for us?

Phelps told me why he was unable to post very much in day and that he should be back soon. If not, Rocshi can replace him.


Can I blackmail tonight if the currently blackmailed person dies?

Wow, I never even thought about that, but according to the OoO you may. However, if the kill does not go through for whatever reason, your blackmail will not be sent.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 03:44 PM
Can I blackmail tonight if the currently blackmailed person dies?Wow, I never even thought about that, but according to the OoO you may. However, if the kill does not go through for whatever reason, your blackmail will not be sent.

This is awesome news! I say lets get Bishop out of the way.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 03:48 PM
If you have a better kill target suggest it and stop complaining about how stuff doesn't make sense. There was chatter about chapman being a possible vigilante and so far the only other possible targets we talked about have been Parker, Morgan, and Bishop. Im cool with taking down anyone there save for bishop because we can always kill him tomorrow and he is blackmailed tomorrows day anyway. Everything else that has been discussed so far is pretty much useless and its wasting time.

Now.
Please suggest kill targets as it seems we have the other night actions figured out.
If you got something to say to those effects go on.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 03:49 PM
Cohen is not likely to be a veteran because of his passive allowance of the plan to send doctors his way. If he was a veteran he would not have fake claimed posioned as hard as he did and he wouldnt have played so along with the send lookouts and docs his way idea.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 03:51 PM
○ Sending the fake blackmail card to Cohen with the terms "Don't reveal that your lying about being poisoned"
○ Sending Morgan fake poison feedback
○ Bussing Dunn and Litchmann
○ Killing Chapman

Im really paranoid about missing night actions so thats why Im doing this.
Please feel free to suggest alternatives if you wish.

Just my ideas on what i think we should do.


Kill Bishop
Fake poison FM Morgan (I will do that I guess.)
Fake blackmail FM Cafarelli with: "Role claim only Witch" (I have no good ideas here. Help me think of something.)
Blackmail FM Biggs witn: "Claim the witching on day 1 was a ruse" (This seemed like a fun idea.)


As for Kidnapper and Consort. I have no preference.

(My action)
-Fake poison FM Morgan

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 03:56 PM
No, the wording doesn't matter. After speaking with Clem at length about the role, she is adamant that there are to be no loopholes with it. An example she gave was that the town might try to prove someone is blackmailer by having everyone claim blackmailed except the blackmailed person, so that the town would be able to figure out who it was without them technically claiming it. She said in that instance the blackmailed person would actually be forced to claim blackmailed in order to appear not blackmailed in order to avoid the penalty for claiming blackmailed.
This just totally made me want to (fake) BM someone into claiming blackmailed.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 04:03 PM
Cohen is not likely to be a veteran because of his passive allowance of the plan to send doctors his way. If he was a veteran he would not have fake claimed posioned as hard as he did and he wouldnt have played so along with the send lookouts and docs his way idea.
I still think it would be best just to have him try and dig him self out of the hole he dug. For all we know he could be a Jester, in which case we should vote him ourselves.

But I just really think that there is a risk in trying to contact or help him right now. So apart from fake poisoning Morgan, I say let him prove him self.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 04:04 PM
I still think it would be best just to have him try and dig him self out of the hole he dug. For all we know he could be a Jester, in which case we should vote him ourselves.

in which case we should not vote him ourselves.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 04:09 PM
Yeah, that's one of the side effects of having only a 24 hour first night. But whatever. Hosts didn't make the blackmailer's mechanics clear. We had 30 minutes to post actions and I threw something together so as not to waste the night. Meh.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 04:09 PM
I still think it would be best just to have him try and dig him self out of the hole he dug. For all we know he could be a Jester, in which case we should vote him ourselves.

But I just really think that there is a risk in trying to contact or help him right now. So apart from fake poisoning Morgan, I say let him prove him self.

He specifically said that doctor shouldn't visit him.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 04:11 PM
Can Lookout self target?

Random thought, what if Cohen is a Lookout, waiting for us to visit him so he can see who the DDer is? Of course only hold water if Lookout can self target.

Maybe i am just over thinking things here, I may be other tired. I am going to sleep!

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 04:13 PM
Maybe i am just over thinking things here, I may be other tired. I am going to sleep!

I mean "Over tired". I guess the just prove my point.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 04:14 PM
I mean "Over tired". I guess the just prove my point.

"That just prove my point". Ok night.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 04:19 PM
He specifically said that doctor shouldn't visit him.

Does not mean it could not happen. If he wanna live he will have to make it sound like a Doctor did save him.

Which bring me to the conclusion of Jester, Ghost, or whatever.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 04:24 PM
Does not mean it could not happen. If he wanna live he will have to make it sound like a Doctor did save him.

Which bring me to the conclusion of Jester, Ghost, or whatever.

No, he's going to claim it was a drug. It's a much more convenient claim that no one will CC (whereas doctor could CC).

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 04:47 PM
If you have a better kill target suggest it and stop complaining about how stuff doesn't make sense. There was chatter about chapman being a possible vigilante and so far the only other possible targets we talked about have been Parker, Morgan, and Bishop. Im cool with taking down anyone there save for bishop because we can always kill him tomorrow and he is blackmailed tomorrows day anyway. Everything else that has been discussed so far is pretty much useless and its wasting time.

Now.
Please suggest kill targets as it seems we have the other night actions figured out.
If you got something to say to those effects go on.

Didn't see this before. I did suggest alternatives. For the kill, I suggested Colmyer. No need to get upset. I just think if you're going to post night actions that we haven't discussed you should post some reasoning to go with it so we know what you're thinking/hoping to accomplish.

FM Vespasian
May 11th, 2013, 04:50 PM
No, he's going to claim it was a drug. It's a much more convenient claim that no one will CC (whereas doctor could CC).

In that case fake poisoning Morgan is a bad idea? But again it all depends on if Cohen wants to be lynched or not.

FM Attila
May 11th, 2013, 05:03 PM
Didn't see this before. I did suggest alternatives. For the kill, I suggested Colmyer. No need to get upset. I just think if you're going to post night actions that we haven't discussed you should post some reasoning to go with it so we know what you're thinking/hoping to accomplish.

Sorry. Paranoia gets the best of me.
I wont be here for the rest of the night.. draw up plans and I'll go along with it when I get back

FM Artaxerxes
May 11th, 2013, 06:18 PM
Ok revised plan.

Kill Bishop
Send new blackmail out *we need discussion on this, not that roleclaim witch one. Too obvious*
block monroe?
Bus Dunn with Morgan?
Fake poison on Dunn *We can self target right?

Entertaining a ladyfriend. I'll be back later.

FM Leonardo
May 11th, 2013, 06:37 PM
Ok revised plan.

Kill Bishop
Send new blackmail out *we need discussion on this, not that roleclaim witch one. Too obvious*
block monroe?
Bus Dunn with Morgan?
Fake poison on Dunn *We can self target right?

Entertaining a ladyfriend. I'll be back later.

1- Even if we can't self target, we have 2 drug dealers, so one can target the other.
2- He can just claim poisoned without us having anyone visit him.
3- Ladyfriend? GO ON...

Can my blackmail be in the form of a code that must be solved and THEN carried out? If not, can I just give them a puzzle that they have to post the solution to in the day chat? So if they don't solve it they would die? If I can do the second one... You may call me... The Riddler.

FM Ferengi
May 11th, 2013, 11:06 PM
Can Lookout self target?

No.


Can my blackmail be in the form of a code that must be solved and THEN carried out? If not, can I just give them a puzzle that they have to post the solution to in the day chat? So if they don't solve it they would die? If I can do the second one... You may call me... The Riddler.

This kind of blackmail note would not be allowed.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 01:22 AM
In the OoO Doctor healing is before Poisoner poisoning. Dose that mean a poisoning could be healed the same night it is given? And if so what would the feedback be like for the victim and Doctor?

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 01:23 AM
In the OoO Doctor healing is before Poisoner poisoning. Dose that mean a poisoning could be healed the same night it is given? And if so what would the feedback be like for the victim and Doctor?

Oops. There i hulkified the question.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 01:40 AM
As far as i gathered this is not a valid blackkmail:
"Role claim only Investigator"
As this have no real time limit and that was a problem as far as I know.
I guess a blackmail along these lines would be ok:
"During one of the next two days, Role claim only Investigator"
It makes it clear for the target that they can pick either the first or the second day, but on that day they can only claim that one role.

Another try:
"Don't vote for Cohen"
Probably wouldn't be allowed as it can not be complete in just one day.
Unless changed to:
"During one of the next two days, do not vote for Cohen"

Is this a good understanding of how a valid blackmail would be?

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 01:48 AM
"During one of the next two days, Role claim only Investigator"

Crap already see loopholes in this. Nowhere does it say the victim has to role claim at all, only that they can't role claim anything but Investigator if they do role claim.

"During one of the next two days, Role claim Investigator and nothing else"

Would that make it loophole proof? thought?

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 01:54 AM
No riddles either. Ok...

Honestly, this role is a huge pain in the ass. The rules surrounding my ability are so inconsistent. I can't send the task "you may not speak during the day" but I can send the task "you may not vote during the day" or "you may not claim a role during the day". So I can blackmail people into NOT doing things, just not the thing I actually don't want them to do. My blackmail target can take advantage of ambiguities in my blackmail note and do/say anything that I don't expressly forbid, but I can't take any advantage of the setup's ambiguity regarding my role, and instead have to ask for permission to do everything, which has basically just been me waiting to be turned down. I fail to see any power in this role. The closest thing I have to the blackmailer's original ability, the silence, is making people quote from somewhere random (like Shakespeare), but it will be blatantly obvious to everyone that it is the work of the blackmailer. I can make people claim fake feedback, but we already have two drug dealers for that, so it seems like a waste. And claiming fake roles is a bust, for even if I write a novel, or a series of novels, eliminating every single loophole I can think of, there will probably be some other bullshit thing that I didn't think of which will make it all for naught. It's only night 2 and I'm already sick of this role.

I'm just going to pick the most obscure play/book/song I know of, and demand that my target only speak lines from that exactly as they're written in the text. And if they make a single post that does not comply, they fail and have to suicide. I'm done trying to find a way around it, because it's clear to me now that technicalities are only for the town to exploit, not me. So fine. I give up. Unless one of you has a better idea, I'm just going to use this ability either as a silence or as a poisoner, depending how the town decides to handle my task.

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 03:31 AM
In the OoO Doctor healing is before Poisoner poisoning. Dose that mean a poisoning could be healed the same night it is given? And if so what would the feedback be like for the victim and Doctor?

Yes, a poisoning may be healed the same night it is given. The doctor will receive a "Your target was attacked!" feedback.


As far as i gathered this is not a valid blackkmail:
"Role claim only Investigator"
As this have no real time limit and that was a problem as far as I know.
I guess a blackmail along these lines would be ok:
"During one of the next two days, Role claim only Investigator"
It makes it clear for the target that they can pick either the first or the second day, but on that day they can only claim that one role.

Another try:
"Don't vote for Cohen"
Probably wouldn't be allowed as it can not be complete in just one day.
Unless changed to:
"During one of the next two days, do not vote for Cohen"

Is this a good understanding of how a valid blackmail would be?

I don't think you have to specify "during one of the next two days" since that is part of the built in terms of blackmail.


No riddles either. Ok...

Honestly, this role is a huge pain in the ass. The rules surrounding my ability are so inconsistent. I can't send the task "you may not speak during the day" but I can send the task "you may not vote during the day" or "you may not claim a role during the day". So I can blackmail people into NOT doing things, just not the thing I actually don't want them to do. My blackmail target can take advantage of ambiguities in my blackmail note and do/say anything that I don't expressly forbid, but I can't take any advantage of the setup's ambiguity regarding my role, and instead have to ask for permission to do everything, which has basically just been me waiting to be turned down. I fail to see any power in this role. The closest thing I have to the blackmailer's original ability, the silence, is making people quote from somewhere random (like Shakespeare), but it will be blatantly obvious to everyone that it is the work of the blackmailer. I can make people claim fake feedback, but we already have two drug dealers for that, so it seems like a waste. And claiming fake roles is a bust, for even if I write a novel, or a series of novels, eliminating every single loophole I can think of, there will probably be some other bullshit thing that I didn't think of which will make it all for naught. It's only night 2 and I'm already sick of this role.

I'm just going to pick the most obscure play/book/song I know of, and demand that my target only speak lines from that exactly as they're written in the text. And if they make a single post that does not comply, they fail and have to suicide. I'm done trying to find a way around it, because it's clear to me now that technicalities are only for the town to exploit, not me. So fine. I give up. Unless one of you has a better idea, I'm just going to use this ability either as a silence or as a poisoner, depending how the town decides to handle my task.

We decided to disallow blackmailing people to not speak during the day because if we wanted to include a traditional style of blackmailer we wouldn't have modified the role card. It also hurts FM activity in a way that telling someone not to vote or not to claim a role during the day does not.

I just wish your attitude about this was a little better. There are plenty of good blackmail tasks that you can assign to your target, but you seem oddly fixated on proposing ridiculous tasks that provide little benefit to your team.

FM Spartacus
May 12th, 2013, 05:37 AM
lol

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 05:50 AM
No riddles either. Ok...

Honestly, this role is a huge pain in the ass. The rules surrounding my ability are so inconsistent. I can't send the task "you may not speak during the day" but I can send the task "you may not vote during the day" or "you may not claim a role during the day". So I can blackmail people into NOT doing things, just not the thing I actually don't want them to do. My blackmail target can take advantage of ambiguities in my blackmail note and do/say anything that I don't expressly forbid, but I can't take any advantage of the setup's ambiguity regarding my role, and instead have to ask for permission to do everything, which has basically just been me waiting to be turned down. I fail to see any power in this role. The closest thing I have to the blackmailer's original ability, the silence, is making people quote from somewhere random (like Shakespeare), but it will be blatantly obvious to everyone that it is the work of the blackmailer. I can make people claim fake feedback, but we already have two drug dealers for that, so it seems like a waste. And claiming fake roles is a bust, for even if I write a novel, or a series of novels, eliminating every single loophole I can think of, there will probably be some other bullshit thing that I didn't think of which will make it all for naught. It's only night 2 and I'm already sick of this role.

I'm just going to pick the most obscure play/book/song I know of, and demand that my target only speak lines from that exactly as they're written in the text. And if they make a single post that does not comply, they fail and have to suicide. I'm done trying to find a way around it, because it's clear to me now that technicalities are only for the town to exploit, not me. So fine. I give up. Unless one of you has a better idea, I'm just going to use this ability either as a silence or as a poisoner, depending how the town decides to handle my task.

Uhm please don't do that. You are too fixated on trying to make the player suicide instead of the essence of the role. The suicides are just to prevent players from going against the blackmail. Plus I highly doubt the mods will allow your play/book/song idea, because its essentially a traditional blackmail and would force the mods to faq check withing your book/song/play. You can control their vote, which is very important. You are letting Bishops cleverness mess with your head too much.

Can a blackmailer ask for a certain amount of posts, within reason? For example, Could the blackmailer tell a player to make at least three posts focusing on why Lichtmann is scum?

Can a blackmailer ask for multiple things in a blackmail? i.e. Above question + vote to lynch Lichtmann.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 05:51 AM
lol

MVP :D

FM Spartacus
May 12th, 2013, 05:59 AM
Yay!

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 06:33 AM
The problem with Blackmailer is that there is no fear involved. The victim knows what he has to do and can do anything he wants to dance around the line. Even more so with the two day time on the blackmail.

People don't fear the Blackmailer at all, in fact they most likely look forward to playing with a Blackmailers.

So to combat this, I suggest we instead of fake poison, we do a lot of fake blackmails with a real blackmail. One can simply be "Claim to be poisoned".
When and if they start figuring out we don't have 3 Blackmailers. They will be start to get think they can ignore the blackmails and then they will get punished.

But again, we can not use the Blackmailer only with the hope they fail the blackmail. Only time they will every think about not doing a blackmail is if we start blackmailing them to vote people.

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 10:39 AM
Can a blackmailer ask for a certain amount of posts, within reason? For example, Could the blackmailer tell a player to make at least three posts focusing on why Lichtmann is scum?

Can a blackmailer ask for multiple things in a blackmail? i.e. Above question + vote to lynch Lichtmann.

Judging whether posts adequately focus on "why Lichtmann is scum" begins to enter into a grey area. If possible, I would suggest naming tasks that are more black and white regarding their completion.

I'll have to confer with Rocshi about specifying a specific number of posts, but I would tentatively say that is not allowed. I'll have to ask him about asking for multiple things, too. Tentatively, no. However if you can find a way to frame it as one task, then it may be allowed. (i.e. something like vote a new player with every post).

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 01:18 PM
I just wish your attitude about this was a little better. There are plenty of good blackmail tasks that you can assign to your target, but you seem oddly fixated on proposing ridiculous tasks that provide little benefit to your team.

I don't think any task I can assign benefits my team. My whole role is just a game of "let's see how many different ways a person can not do something".


Uhm please don't do that. You are too fixated on trying to make the player suicide instead of the essence of the role. The suicides are just to prevent players from going against the blackmail. Plus I highly doubt the mods will allow your play/book/song idea, because its essentially a traditional blackmail and would force the mods to faq check withing your book/song/play. You can control their vote, which is very important. You are letting Bishops cleverness mess with your head too much.


54. Blackmailer: Must the task given be able to be fullfilled in one post? If not, can you order your target to only quote Shakespear (with exact references!)? Or to claim its role and only its role?
No, blackmails do not have to be fulfilled in one post. Ordering your target to only quote Shakespeare is allowed. Ordering your target to claim their role and only their role is not allowed. All blackmail will be approved by the hosts on a case-by-case basis. You may ask more questions about acceptable and unacceptable blackmails in the FAQ.

The way I see it, that's all this blackmailer is good for. Being either a weakened version of the poisoner or a weakened version of itself. It's not about Bishop at all. If I had known town would be allowed to exploit ambiguities, I could have made the wording of his blackmail more specific. But I was misled. Regardless, my focus now will be to silence players. I'll start with Monroe. I think I'll have him speak only in lines from Cleansed by Sarah Kane. Once he finds the play, he'll be lucky if he can say anything remotely relevant to the conversation. My guess is he'll just say nothing at all on the day he decides to complete the task.


The problem with Blackmailer is that there is no fear involved. The victim knows what he has to do and can do anything he wants to dance around the line. Even more so with the two day time on the blackmail.

People don't fear the Blackmailer at all, in fact they most likely look forward to playing with a Blackmailers.

So to combat this, I suggest we instead of fake poison, we do a lot of fake blackmails with a real blackmail. One can simply be "Claim to be poisoned".
When and if they start figuring out we don't have 3 Blackmailers. They will be start to get think they can ignore the blackmails and then they will get punished.

But again, we can not use the Blackmailer only with the hope they fail the blackmail. Only time they will every think about not doing a blackmail is if we start blackmailing them to vote people.

This is part of the problem. There are many problems. But yes, all the suicide penalty does is dissuade them from ignoring me outright. Instead they just creatively ignore my blackmail, which is no more useful to us.


Judging whether posts adequately focus on "why Lichtmann is scum" begins to enter into a grey area. If possible, I would suggest naming tasks that are more black and white regarding their completion.

The problem is that apparently everything is a grey area. I thought claiming investigator was pretty black and white. I thought it was obvious that someone who claims investigator doesn't claim other roles. But apparently not. Apparently that's a grey area too. But speaking lines from Sarah Kane isn't. That's very black and white. So shall it be.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 01:35 PM
Judging whether posts adequately focus on "why Lichtmann is scum" begins to enter into a grey area. If possible, I would suggest naming tasks that are more black and white regarding their completion.

I'll have to confer with Rocshi about specifying a specific number of posts, but I would tentatively say that is not allowed. I'll have to ask him about asking for multiple things, too. Tentatively, no. However if you can find a way to frame it as one task, then it may be allowed. (i.e. something like vote a new player with every post).
Interesting.

Okay guys we have 8 hours left. Please post your thoughts on the following.

Kill Bishop - Death note "Clever girl"
Blackmail Becket into saying "Ok guys I took a risk and decided to heal Cohen. He was not attacked last night, so he mustve lied about the poison. FM Cohen." And add something in there about not changing his vote.
Can I player completely contradict himself after saying a blackmail? i.e. (BM) I killed Bishop last night. (Next post) I don't know why I said that/ just kidding.
*I want your guys opinion on this. The town will either consider him very suspect. Because we say "must have lied instead of drug dealed", they will pick that up as a scum tell. Or the town will suspect him as a Citizen trying to get killed. Either way it puts us in a good spot and confuses the town. Also I chose becket because he lurked all day and came to hammer. People will already be suspect of him.

Drug Dealers x2 -
We have two conflicting mindsets in our mafia. Some of us are trying to hide our role list and others are trying to cause as much confusion as possible. Here are plans I propose.
-Hiding role list - If you want to completely confuse a PR, instead of the obvious preventing feedback. We can use both of our drug dealers to block and prevent feedback. The prevention of feedback in FAQ clearly states that it will not stop mafia feedback. So the roleblock feedback will still be received. This is the best way of hiding them besides not acting.

-Confusion - Cohen knows the poison is fake. We know the poison is fake. Our blackmail from before will basically tell the town that Cohen's poison was fake or drugged. He will be forced to reveal that it is fake and to play whatever trick he is hiding. If he is a provable town as I suspect, it will put immediate suspicion on Becket.
For the drug deals, I think we should send out fake blackmails. If there is a coroner, then we have to assume he will find out Bishop has been blackmailed. I think we could use the fake blackmails to force people to sheep vote onto Becket. Something like "Join any lynch vote that Becket makes."

Kidnapper should be on Dunn and Lichtmann/Monroe.

Consort blocks chapman? *Unsure about this one. If anyone has better ideas, speak up.


@Leonardo, I can already see that they will not allow that blackmail.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 01:39 PM
If they approve it, it will just make you a traditional blackmailer basically. I feel like it's wasting the potential of the role. I do like the idea of silencing a town leader role easily. Perhaps we should try it to see what happens. I'd prefer it on Morgan over Monroe though. Morgan is a bigger threat as an analyzer + town leader

FM Spartacus
May 12th, 2013, 02:01 PM
sounds good to me

-block chapman

I'll need some time to catch up to the game.

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 02:01 PM
Can I player completely contradict himself after saying a blackmail? i.e. (BM) I killed Bishop last night. (Next post) I don't know why I said that/ just kidding.

I think it's reasonable to ask a player not to contradict themselves after performing a blackmail task. You should include something that mentions this in the blackmail note so they are clearly informed of what the hosts will hold them accountable for.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 02:22 PM
So we do not want to fake a Poisoner anymore?

I do like the ideas, but the problem with blackmail for Becket is that he can decide if he want to do it now or the next day.

But we could just make the blackmail "Vote Cohen in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day." That way they will either look really suspicious, or they need to come up with a reason for voting him. The point is that if they see a easy reason to vote Cohen, they may jump at the chance rather then wait for the next day.
The only problem with this plan is that, if they ignore the blackmail for the first day, Cohen may be dead the second day and there by the blackmail void.

But really the idea to blackmail someone to vote someone has some benefits. Lets splits it into Pros&Cons.

Pros

They will look VERY suspicious if they don't come up with a good reason.
If they take a chance to join on a train with little reason they will look like sheep.

Cons

They will know for sure that the target is not one of us.
More people know we have BMer and/or DDer.


"Vote Cohen in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day." a valid blackmail? Or any change you would like before it's use? Not sure about if the "in one of your first 3 posts" is allowed.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 02:26 PM
Very well. We can focus on Morgan if you wish. Monroe stuck out more to me, but I'll try it your way.

-Blackmail Morgan with the blackmail note:

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane, which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 02:27 PM
If anyone finds any loopholes there, let me know. Otherwise, that's what I'm going with.

Forum Mafia GM
May 12th, 2013, 02:30 PM
Find a free online text of that play to send to Morgan, not a very well known play.

Also, I'll have a hard time enforcing this one, so you're going to want to send it to me and/or help me police it.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 02:31 PM
And still one last warning about Cohen, I really have a tickle saying he is Jester. If he is Jester, that will mean that a 1/4th of the people that vote him will DIE!

So watch how he act tomorrow. But if you do see him as a Jester, there is no need to really tell the Town, yet.

Forum Mafia GM
May 12th, 2013, 02:33 PM
Also, actions aren't very clear here, so if you could put them all in bolded red in one post by end of day, that'd be good great grand wonderful.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 02:35 PM
Very well. We can focus on Morgan if you wish. Monroe stuck out more to me, but I'll try it your way.

-Blackmail Morgan with the blackmail note:

...

You sure this is a good idea? It would be easy for them to figure out he is blackmailed.

I do like my idea a little more, the one with the voting that is.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 02:42 PM
Very well. We can focus on Morgan if you wish. Monroe stuck out more to me, but I'll try it your way.

-Blackmail Morgan with the blackmail note:

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane, which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly.

I prefer morgan because monroe hid the fact he was bussed from the town.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 02:43 PM
With this blackmail we are basically confirming to the town that we have a blackmailer, btw. Any fake blackmails cant be sent until his runs its course.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 02:52 PM
Kill Bishop - Death note "Clever girl"

Yes kill him. But not sure I like the idea of using a Death Note this early.


Blackmail Becket into saying "Ok guys I took a risk and decided to heal Cohen. He was not attacked last night, so he mustve lied about the poison. FM Cohen." And add something in there about not changing his vote.

I find this blackmail a little too complex, and nothing is stopping him from doing it the next day rather then today. If we use my idea about just saying "Vote Cohen in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day." This will force Becket to come up with a reason him self or appear suspicious.


Drug Dealers x2 -
We have two conflicting mindsets in our mafia. Some of us are trying to hide our role list and others are trying to cause as much confusion as possible. Here are plans I propose.
-Hiding role list - If you want to completely confuse a PR, instead of the obvious preventing feedback. We can use both of our drug dealers to block and prevent feedback. The prevention of feedback in FAQ clearly states that it will not stop mafia feedback. So the roleblock feedback will still be received. This is the best way of hiding them besides not acting.

I'm not at all sure what you are talking about here. But is faking a poisoning not on the agenda anymore?


-Confusion - Cohen knows the poison is fake. We know the poison is fake. Our blackmail from before will basically tell the town that Cohen's poison was fake or drugged. He will be forced to reveal that it is fake and to play whatever trick he is hiding. If he is a provable town as I suspect, it will put immediate suspicion on Becket.
For the drug deals, I think we should send out fake blackmails. If there is a coroner, then we have to assume he will find out Bishop has been blackmailed. I think we could use the fake blackmails to force people to sheep vote onto Becket. Something like "Join any lynch vote that Becket makes."

Two fake "Vote Morgan in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day." blackmails should make it an interesting day? no? Unless we wanna fake poision Morgan still.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:02 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Galletta "Vote Morgan in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day."
fake poison Morgan
fake roleblock Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Monroe.
block Chapman

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:03 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Galletta "Vote Morgan in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day."
fake poison Morgan
fake roleblock Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Monroe.
block Chapman


Thoughts? A few of them are a little bit random.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 03:05 PM
I prefer morgan because monroe hid the fact he was bussed from the town.

That's a good point, actually.

Here's the text of the play:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24140567/Sarah-Kane-Cleansed

The way I worded the blackmail note should make it so that all we have to do to enforce is go to the script and use ctrl+f to search for the text he posts and see if it shows up. If it doesn't, then he's failed.

The fact that Monroe hid his bussing feedback from town actually makes him a likely candidate for the Savage Godfather. He's the one who originally accused McKelty- we might be able to turn this on him tomorrow.

If you guys prefer, we can use my blackmail to control the votes as Vespasian suggested. Vote on it and let me know, I guess.

A possible strategy for tonight is having (one or both of) our drug dealers send copies of my blackmail to other targets. It might take them a while to figure out they are all blackmailed, and even if they do figure it out, they won't know which is real and which is fake, so they'll probably all comply. Then we effectively silence three people for a day. Just a thought.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 03:11 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Galletta "Vote Morgan in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day."
fake poison Morgan
fake roleblock Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Monroe.
block Chapman


Galleta? Really? We haven't discussed Galleta at all. I thought we agreed that Morgan was my best target.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:19 PM
A possible strategy for tonight is having (one or both of) our drug dealers send copies of my blackmail to other targets. It might take them a while to figure out they are all blackmailed, and even if they do figure it out, they won't know which is real and which is fake, so they'll probably all comply. Then we effectively silence three people for a day. Just a thought.

Problem is. If they fail the first day they can in a way just say they will try again tomorrow. It says nowhere they have to complete it the same they they started the task (not even in my blackmail idea).

So yeah if we swap the fake roleblock to a fake blackmail of your kind, we can give it a test run.



Kill Bishop
.
blackmail Galletta "Vote Morgan in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day."
.
fake poison Morgan
.
fake blackmail Morgan with the blackmail note:
"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane, which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly."
.
Kidnap Dunn and Monroe.
.
block Chapman

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:20 PM
Galleta? Really? We haven't discussed Galleta at all. I thought we agreed that Morgan was my best target.

Yeah. Like i said my suggestion was a tiny bit random. Just pulled her name cause it would be dum to fake poison and blackmail Morgan at the same time.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:29 PM
Yeah. Like i said my suggestion was a tiny bit random. Just pulled her name cause it would be dum to fake poison and blackmail Morgan at the same time.

Then I will just fake poison the duck, someone random that none of us hate.

-fake poison Ballard

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:36 PM
Either way, I have school tomorrow so I don't have time to post more. You guys need to decide on something.

But i really suggest the use of one of these two blackmails rather then any other.

"Vote Morgan in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day."
"Role claim Investigator and nothing else."


They are simple and well have to force the victim to think of how not to look suspicious.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:39 PM
They are simple and will have to force the victim to think of how not to look suspicious.

Those two blackmails also do not have to be completed now, they can wait a day or two. Forcing them into a corner where they will have to do the task no matter how suspicious they will look.

FM Spartacus
May 12th, 2013, 03:43 PM
lol that blackmail. We need more silly text walls in this.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:48 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote Colmyer in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day."
fake poison Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard "Role claim Bus Driver and nothing else."
Kidnap Dunn and Monroe.
block Chapman


(Fake) poison Colmyer cause he seemed like a leader kinda guy, or at least seemed very town and level headed.

Blackmail Morgan to vote Colmyer. Just to see how they will get out of that, will Morgan lie can say the poisoning is suspicious?

Fake blackmail Ballard because he is a duck. Would love to see how he get out of that.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 03:57 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote Colmyer in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day."
fake poison Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard "Role claim Bus Driver and nothing else."
Kidnap Dunn and Monroe.
block Chapman


(Fake) poison Colmyer cause he seemed like a leader kinda guy, or at least seemed very town and level headed.

Blackmail Morgan to vote Colmyer. Just to see how they will get out of that, will Morgan lie can say the poisoning is suspicious?

Fake blackmail Ballard because he is a duck. Would love to see how he get out of that.

Unless you have better ideas, use these actions. I'm going to sleep. Night!

FM Spartacus
May 12th, 2013, 03:58 PM
poisoning is not a good idea. It's an auto mafia reveal for lookouts and detectives. We really should use 2 fake blackmails per night. You could just fake blackmail him in claiming that the next day but the doctor bodyguard will probably be on that guy anyway.

We had a good day 1 sure but also did the savages have. This is way too reckless. Think more subtle if you want to win this in the end.

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 04:02 PM
Just going to re quote this part of the DD role card for you guys since it seems to have been forgotten.

-Fake blackmail (On any given night, you must send the same note as a real blackmailer on your team)

FM Spartacus
May 12th, 2013, 04:06 PM
Blackmail mechanic is gayz0r.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 04:17 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote Colmyer in one of your first 3 posts and hold it all day."
fake poison Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard "Role claim Bus Driver and nothing else."
Kidnap Dunn and Monroe.
block Chapman


(Fake) poison Colmyer cause he seemed like a leader kinda guy, or at least seemed very town and level headed.

Blackmail Morgan to vote Colmyer. Just to see how they will get out of that, will Morgan lie can say the poisoning is suspicious?

Fake blackmail Ballard because he is a duck. Would love to see how he get out of that.

Clem is making it obvious that we can't send Ballard a seperate blackmail. We could make it so both Morgan and Ballard have to "Vote to lynch FM Colmyer in one of the first 5 posts and hold it for the entire day."
I edited your blackmail because I'm imagine some snarky kid to say "I vote Colmyer for town leader". and then lol @ us again.

How about we use all three of our blackmails to send the same vote against Colmyer. However, I don't know why you want it to be Colmyer, he doesn't seem very suspicious to town. Why not someone like Lichtmann or Kelso?

So we could actuall blackmail Morgan. And send the fake blackmails to both Lichtmann and Kelso.

Kidnapping Dunn is important. But Monroe is suspicious to me, how about one of the lurkers like Carruthers?

Blocking chapman is good by me.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 04:18 PM
Blackmail mechanic is gayz0r.

OBV COM IS OBV.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:27 PM
Can not fall asleep. 40 minutes of battery left at least, so i have to sleep soon.


Clem is making it obvious that we can't send Ballard a seperate blackmail. We could make it so both Morgan and Ballard have to "Vote to lynch FM Colmyer in one of the first 5 posts and hold it for the entire day."
I edited your blackmail because I'm imagine some snarky kid to say "I vote Colmyer for town leader". and then lol @ us again.

Ah ok. Well i say good for that then.


How about we use all three of our blackmails to send the same vote against Colmyer. However, I don't know why you want it to be Colmyer, he doesn't seem very suspicious to town. Why not someone like Lichtmann or Kelso?

We could do that yet, only reason i think fake poisoning would be good, is to keep Town thinking there is a Poisoner for a little longer. And maybe force Cohen to claim healed?


So we could actuall blackmail Morgan. And send the fake blackmails to both Lichtmann and Kelso.

Could also force people to vote Morgan if that is more fun.


Kidnapping Dunn is important. But Monroe is suspicious to me, how about one of the lurkers like Carruthers?

It was just a suggestion with no real meaning behind it. Was just following what one of you guys had suggested earlier.


Blocking chapman is good by me.

That is why it is there.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 04:32 PM
Good I need someone to talk to.

I would like to vote someone that actually seems suspicious. Morgan played too much of a town leader role it would he hard for people to join the vote. Ackerman also might be a good choice to be a target for our blackmail lynch.

I think Cohen will likely reveal that he lied about the poison tomorrow. So they will realize any future poisons are fake and that gives away our DD

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:35 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote to lynch FM Monroe in one of your first 4 posts and hold it all day."
fake blackmail Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Carruthers
block Chapman


Something like this?

Is the blackmail valid?

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:40 PM
Good I need someone to talk to.

I would like to vote someone that actually seems suspicious. Morgan played too much of a town leader role it would he hard for people to join the vote. Ackerman also might be a good choice to be a target for our blackmail lynch.

I think Cohen will likely reveal that he lied about the poison tomorrow. So they will realize any future poisons are fake and that gives away our DD

Could do Ackerman yeah, but he never talked at all.

Just is Monroe also good, he does nothing but confuse everyone, so i am not sure he can defend him self that well. And if he suddenly feel like sharing the bussed feedback from day 1, everyone will wonder why he did not say it day one.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:42 PM
Then again, you think there is a chance Monroe is the Witch? Biggs was witched after all.

Forum Mafia GM
May 12th, 2013, 04:43 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote to lynch FM Monroe in one of your first 4 posts and hold it all day."
fake blackmail Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Carruthers
block Chapman


Something like this?

Is the blackmail valid?

Yes, that's perfectly fine.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:44 PM
Which blackmail?

"Vote to lynch FM Monroe in one of your first 4 posts and hold it all day."

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:46 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote to lynch FM Monroe in one of your first 4 posts and hold it all day."
fake blackmail Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Carruthers
block Chapman


Something like this?

My battery is about to die, and I need sleep. Get these actions figured out people! If not just go with my suggestion I guess.

Forum Mafia GM
May 12th, 2013, 04:46 PM
"Vote to lynch FM Monroe in one of your first 4 posts and hold it all day."

Yeah, see my edit, I fucked up

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:47 PM
Yeah, see my edit, I fucked up

Ah sorry I was a little fast.

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 04:47 PM
Vespasian your most recently posted action in bold red is to poison and not blackmail. Please clarify.

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:50 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote to lynch FM Monroe in one of your first 4 posts and hold it all day."
fake blackmail Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Carruthers
block Chapman


There?

FM Vespasian
May 12th, 2013, 04:51 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote to lynch FM Monroe in one of your first 4 posts and hold it all day."
fake blackmail Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Carruthers
block Chapman


There?

Can I even override Leonardo's Action? If not, this will be VERY weird.

Battery at 5%!

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 04:54 PM
Who are you fake blackmailing?

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 04:57 PM
Kill Bishop
blackmail Morgan "Vote to lynch FM Monroe in one of your first 4 posts and hold it all day."
fake blackmail Colmyer
fake blackmail Ballard
Kidnap Dunn and Carruthers
block Chapman


There?
Why did you choose monroe as our lynch target?

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 04:57 PM
Ok, this is really starting to aggravate me. We keep discussing night actions and debating which is better and such, which is great, but then someone comes in says "hey guys, just in case, here are preliminary night actions" and posts random actions that have nothing to do with what we've been talking about.

STAHP

Now then. I'm going to compile a list of all the things we discussed, and we're going to have a MOTHER FUCKING VOTE.

The Golden Rule:
Explain your reasoning for each vote you make. What goal do you think we should be trying to achieve (in the short term. Obviously the long term goal is to win.)

Kill targets:

This is the one we basically all agree on so far. But feel free to vote for something else if you have something better I guess.

Bishop (He was smart to find a way around the blackmail and eliminating smart players is good, plus it allows us to take a mulligan on the blackmail and do a better job of it.)

Kidnapper:
We seem to all agree that we should swap Dunn. The question is with who. So far the second target could be:

Carruthers
Monroe
Lichtman
Ballard

Drug Dealing (pick two):

Drug fake blackmail to Morgan
Drug fake blackmai to Colmyer
Drug fake blackmail to Ballard
Drug fake poison to Morgan


Roleblock:

Chapman (not sure why, but this seems to be the target of choice. I'd love someone to explain the reasoning behind this.)

Blackmail:
No one can seem to agree on what the fuck my blackmail should do. But here are some options that have been thrown around:

blackmail Morgan to only quote lines from a play
blackmail morgan into voting someone and not removing his vote
blackmail <insert random person here> to vote morgan and not remove their vote

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 04:58 PM
Not that those are the only options. But that's what has been suggested.

FM Spartacus
May 12th, 2013, 05:00 PM
u mad?

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 05:01 PM
Personally, I want to silence Morgan, and if the DDs send blackmails too, silence others as well. I can even add in a threat that if they don't complete the task on the first day, we'll kill them. The blackmail has to wait two days, but we don't. And they can't claim blackmailed, so they can't get a doctor to save them. And even if they could, our kidnapper can negate that plan anyway. So I think this is the best use of the blackmail.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 05:11 PM
My votes:
Kill Bishop
Blackmail Morgan with the quoting lines thing (too lazy to copy and paste right now) with an addition to the end of it that reads: "if you don't complete this on day 2, we will kill you tonight"
Drug Deal blackmails to Colmyer and Ballard
Block... Chapman? I guess...
Swap Dunn and Lichtman

Reasoning:
Bishop- because he's smart and by getting rid of him now, I get to blackmail again tonight.

Blackmail- Morgan is smart and a leader, and this will effectively silence him.

Drug Dealers- this will silence two more smart players.

Block- It's what the consort wants to do and I didn't observe anything that leads me to believe there is a better target, so I don't see why not...

Swap- We all agree it might be good to ensure Dunn can't be checked tonight and I think Lichtman is a good choice. I don't think Monroe is good because the fact that he his the bussing feedback from town means that he might be savage godfather, which would make the swap ineffective because we'd be swapping one scum result for another.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 05:13 PM
Side note: I think we should structure the swap such that Dunn is the second target (ie. for my vote we would submit the action as: "swap lichtman and Dunn" that way if a witch targets our kidnapper, it will only change who dunn is swapped (instead of preventing him from being swapped).

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 05:14 PM
*who dunn is swapped with

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 05:22 PM
Kill Target
Bishop. If we kill him we can reuse our blackmails. We are putting all our bets on him though, if he is not killed our blackmails will not go through. I'm willing to risk the chance though.

Kidnapper
Dunn and Ballard will be my vote. Carruthers lurked most of day one, so we might have to worry about him not revealing the roleblock and making Dunn be the third man out being called out for bus. Monroe has shown he wont reveal his information.

Drug Dealing
Fake blackmail Colmyer
Fake blackmail Ballard

They are two town leader roles, a lot of sheep will follow them I think. We also will use our real blackmail on Morgan. Note the fake blackmails must be the same as the real blackmail.

Roleblock
The roleblock on chapman is just because he said he was going to shoot people. I don't have any better reasoning. Honestly, we could be wasting our time. I think one of the town escorts will be targeting him. Until we know of a power role that could be blocked, we are just guessing.

I will change my initial thoughts on Chapman and vote to roleblock Monroe. If he is savage godfather, we can keep him contained easily because he is not immune to roleblock for some reason.

Blackmail
I want the Blackmail to force Morgan to vote for Ackerman. Something along the lines of "Vote to lynch FM Ackerman in your first four posts and hold it until he is lynched "
*Updated it to hold it until lynched, because if we say hold it for the day, a 2day "day" could be exploited and have the vote removed.
Is this an acceptable blackmail?
My choice of Ackerman is he lurked most of day one. He sheep votes onto McKelty and says "interesting night", which just sounds scummy. I'm open for alternate choices, but it has to be someone already suspicious. Blackmailing people onto Morgan will not help us.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 05:25 PM
Side note: I think we should structure the swap such that Dunn is the second target (ie. for my vote we would submit the action as: "swap lichtman and Dunn" that way if a witch targets our kidnapper, it will only change who dunn is swapped (instead of preventing him from being swapped).

This reasoning is good. I agree. Dunn should be the second target.

Are you so determined to reveal the blackmailer though? People suspect it, btu if three people suddenly start speaking in this "code" you forcing them in to. People will assume we have multiple blackmailers or drugdealers. We would be playing almost all of our cards immediately.

FM Attila
May 12th, 2013, 05:29 PM
Kill Bishop
Blackmail Morgan with the quoting lines thing (too lazy to copy and paste right now) with an addition to the end of it that reads: "if you don't complete this on day 2, we will kill you tonight"
Drug Deal blackmails to Colmyer and Ballard
Block... Chapman? I guess...
Swap Dunn and Lichtman





I agree. It seems pretty sheepy but this seems the best so far.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 05:37 PM
This reasoning is good. I agree. Dunn should be the second target.

Are you so determined to reveal the blackmailer though? People suspect it, btu if three people suddenly start speaking in this "code" you forcing them in to. People will assume we have multiple blackmailers or drugdealers. We would be playing almost all of our cards immediately.

It's not necessarily that I want to reveal, but I am skeptical that the votes will get us anywhere. Plus by forcing people to vote someoene, we kind of confirm to them that the person in question is not one of us. So if the person being voted isn't lynched, they've now found someone they can trust, which is exactly what we don't want. We need to keep them confused and divided.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 05:45 PM
It's not necessarily that I want to reveal, but I am skeptical that the votes will get us anywhere. Plus by forcing people to vote someoene, we kind of confirm to them that the person in question is not one of us. So if the person being voted isn't lynched, they've now found someone they can trust, which is exactly what we don't want. We need to keep them confused and divided.

True, but what is stopping us from killing Ackerman at the end of the blackmail? And It doesn't have to be Ackerman, he just came to my head.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 05:50 PM
True, but what is stopping us from killing Ackerman at the end of the blackmail? And It doesn't have to be Ackerman, he just came to my head.

What if one of the people we tell to vote him is a doctor. Then, in order to ensure we avoid him being healed, we have to use our kidnapper to swap him. And if our kidnapper is roleblocked, or witched, or anything goes wrong, we're fucked.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 05:56 PM
What if one of the people we tell to vote him is a doctor. Then, in order to ensure we avoid him being healed, we have to use our kidnapper to swap him. And if our kidnapper is roleblocked, or witched, or anything goes wrong, we're fucked.
Then we have narrowed down an important town role to three targets? That's fine by me.

I'm just not comfortable letting town know we have the ability to make three blackmails. Them all posting the same posts from this play you found will just make them all look innocent. We could perhaps act blackmailed in the same way.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 06:18 PM
Then we have narrowed down an important town role to three targets? That's fine by me.

I'm just not comfortable letting town know we have the ability to make three blackmails. Them all posting the same posts from this play you found will just make them all look innocent. We could perhaps act blackmailed in the same way.

Not necessarily. We won't know if the doctor just took a lucky guess or if he was actually one of the blackmailed targets. We also lose our kill for that night, which is huge, because we need every kill we can get.

Forum Mafia GM
May 12th, 2013, 06:35 PM
90 minutes to confirmed bolded red actions in one post please.

FM Attila
May 12th, 2013, 06:44 PM
Kill Bishop
Blackmail Morgan with "Quote lines from the play Romeo and Juliet in your posts only. If you don't complete this on day 2, we will kill you"
Drug Deal blackmails to Colmyer and Ballard "Quote lines from the play Hamlet in your posts only. If you don't complete this on day 2, we will kill you"
Block Chapman
Swap Lichtman and Dunn

If I read the chat correctly this looks like what we are gonna be doing.
I've varied the plays a little because of why not and making them all the same is a little blah.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 06:56 PM
Just in Case:

Godfather: Kill FM Bishop
Blackmailer: Blackmail FM Morgan with the following blackmail note:

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane, which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night.

Drug Dealer #1: Drug blackmail to FM Colmyer
Drug Dealer #2: Drug blackmail to FM Ballard
Consort: Roleblock FM Chapman
Kidnapper: Swap Lichtmann


If more people vote on other things we can change it. But a couple people voted for these, so I'm sticking with these for now. I'll check back in again every 30 minutes for the next 90 minutes to see if this needs updating. If not, I'll leave it as is.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 07:00 PM
Oops. Noticed a slight error.

Fixed:

Godfather: Kill FM Bishop
Blackmailer: Blackmail FM Morgan with the following blackmail note (without quotes):

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane, which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night."

Drug Dealer #1: Drug blackmail to FM Colmyer
Drug Dealer #2: Drug blackmail to FM Ballard
Consort: Roleblock FM Chapman
Kidnapper: Swap Lichtmann


Do I need to include the url to the play in the blackmail note? (it can be easily found via a google search) If so, I'll edit it in.

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 07:05 PM
Do I need to include the url to the play in the blackmail note? (it can be easily found via a google search) If so, I'll edit it in.

Please do.

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 07:05 PM
Well, we can expect a savage kill tonight if they had a successful recruit.

But you are right, losing a kill would be bad with our 1kpn. We need to confuse people not silence conversation. It will just put more pressure on us to lead lynches if we silence all the town leaders.


This play is risky and reveals us a lot. But I'm willing to try it.

Just needs an update to kidnapping Lichtmann with Dunn. Plus we should roleblock Monroe instead of Chapman. I expect the town escorts to target chapman

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 07:07 PM
oh yeah, I also forgot Dunn in the swap. LOL

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 07:12 PM
MOAR FIXED: (for the final time, I hope)

Godfather: Kill FM Bishop
Blackmailer: Blackmail FM Morgan with the following blackmail note (without quotes):

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane (the full text of which may be found here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/24140567/Sarah-Kane-Cleansed), which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night."

Drug Dealer #1: Drug blackmail to FM Colmyer
Drug Dealer #2: Drug blackmail to FM Ballard
Consort: Roleblock FM Chapman
Kidnapper: Swap Lichtmann and Dunn


Is this blackmail sufficient/valid?

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 07:13 PM
GODDAMMIT, EVEN MOAR FIXED: (fuck typos)

Godfather: Kill FM Bishop
Blackmailer: Blackmail FM Morgan with the following blackmail note (without quotes):

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane (the full text of which may be found here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/24140567/Sarah-Kane-Cleansed)), which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night."

Drug Dealer #1: Drug blackmail to FM Colmyer
Drug Dealer #2: Drug blackmail to FM Ballard
Consort: Roleblock FM Chapman
Kidnapper: Swap Lichtmann and Dunn


Is this blackmail sufficient/valid?

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 07:16 PM
These are the current night actions that I have:

FM Artaxerxes (Godfather) – Kill FM Bishop (set by FM Leonardo in post #164)

FM Vespasian (Drug Dealer) - fake blackmail Colmyer / fake blackmail Ballard (set by FM Vespasian in post #137 REALLY NOT SURE WHICH OF THESE FM Vespasian is performing)

FM Attila (Drug Dealer) - Sending the fake blackmail card to Cohen with the terms "Don't reveal that your lying about being poisoned" / Sending Morgan fake poison feedback (Set by FM Attilla in post #48) <- LIKE FOR FM VESPASIAN REALLY NOT SURE WHICH OF THESE FM Attila is performing

FM Leonardo (Blackmailer): Blackmail FM Morgan with the following blackmail note (without quotes):

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane (the full text of which may be found here), which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night." (set by FM Leonardo in post #164)

FM Spartacus (Consort)– block chapman (set by FM Spartacus in post #97)

FM Alphege (Kidnapper) - swap FM Lichtman with FM Dunn (set by FM Leonardo in post #164)

Since there was a lot of confusion yesterday, I want to remind you about the posted rules for submitting night actions: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19865-Night-2?p=318352&viewfull=1#post318352

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 07:19 PM
Is this blackmail sufficient/valid?

Please edit in the link to the play text.

Also, for clarification (because I am unsure about terminology), by "post lines" do you mean post words that the characters say? Or does that mean that the blackmailed player has to post something like:


FM Leonardo: Why hello there.

with the name of the character who says it in the play?

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 07:35 PM
Please edit in the link to the play text.

Also, for clarification (because I am unsure about terminology), by "post lines" do you mean post words that the characters say? Or does that mean that the blackmailed player has to post something like:



with the name of the character who says it in the play?

Oh, so the hyperlink is a no go? Here comes another fixed version...

And no, the character's name is not required. So if the play has "FM Leonardo: Well hello there", he would just say "Well hello there." (without quotes). Is it sufficient that you have this knowledge, or do I need to add this to the text of the blackmail. I thought it was covered by the phrase "as spoken by the characters in the play", but if not I'll fix it.

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 07:39 PM
Oh, so the hyperlink is a no go? Here comes another fixed version...

And no, the character's name is not required. So if the play has "FM Leonardo: Well hello there", he would just say "Well hello there." (without quotes). Is it sufficient that you have this knowledge, or do I need to add this to the text of the blackmail. I thought it was covered by the phrase "as spoken by the characters in the play", but if not I'll fix it.

I just worry that if I had a question about it the blackmailed player will also have a question about it.

FM Attila
May 12th, 2013, 07:40 PM
I want to change my action to what has been suggested already

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 07:42 PM
These are the current night actions that I have:

FM Artaxerxes (Godfather) – Kill FM Bishop (set by FM Leonardo in post #164)

FM Vespasian (Drug Dealer) - fake blackmail Ballard (set by FM Vespasian in post #137)

FM Attila (Drug Dealer) - Drug blackmail to FM Colmyer (Set by FM Attilla in post #169)

FM Leonardo (Blackmailer): Blackmail FM Morgan with the following blackmail note (without quotes):

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane (the full text of which may be found here), which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night." (set by FM Leonardo in post #164)

FM Spartacus (Consort)– block chapman (set by FM Spartacus in post #97)

FM Alphege (Kidnapper) - swap FM Lichtman with FM Dunn (set by FM Leonardo in post #164)

Since there was a lot of confusion yesterday, I want to remind you about the posted rules for submitting night actions: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19865-Night-2?p=318352&viewfull=1#post318352

I think that I'll have to accept the second action that FM Vespasian and FM Attila submitted in their posts since it's the most "updated". So this is what I have so far.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 07:46 PM
SUPER DUPER FUN FUN FIXED AND STUFF: (fuck typos)

Godfather: Kill FM Bishop
Blackmailer: Blackmail FM Morgan with the following blackmail note (without quotes):

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane (the full text of which may be found here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/24140567/Sarah-Kane-Cleansed), which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night."

Drug Dealer #1: Drug blackmail to FM Colmyer
Drug Dealer #2: Drug blackmail to FM Ballard
Consort: Roleblock FM Chapman
Kidnapper: Swap Lichtmann and Dunn

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 07:48 PM
It seems a general consensus that we are blocking Chapman. If anyone is stlil on, I would like to change it to Monroe.

Leo what you think?

FM Ferengi
May 12th, 2013, 08:00 PM
Finalized accepted night actions:

FM Artaxerxes (Godfather) – Kill FM Bishop (set by FM Leonardo in post #171)

FM Vespasian (Drug Dealer) - fake blackmail Ballard (set by FM Vespasian in post #137)

FM Attila (Drug Dealer) - Drug blackmail to FM Colmyer (Set by FM Attilla in post #169)

FM Leonardo (Blackmailer): Blackmail FM Morgan with the following blackmail note (without quotes):

"All of your posts must only contain lines spoken by characters in the play Cleansed by Sarah Kane (the full text of which may be found here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/24140567/Sarah-Kane-Cleansed), which will be hereby be referred to in this note as "the play". Your posts may not contain any words that are not in the script of the play. You must post the lines exactly as they appear in the play: you may not edit them in any way (this includes changing the order of the words, changing the words themselves, and adding ellipses in the middle of a quote to bridge two separate lines). Your posts must contain lines from the play and nothing else. This extends to everything that is visible to others when you post, including (but not limited to) your avatar and signature. You may not use your posts, your avatar, your signature, or anything else that is visible to other players to claim or in any way hint that you are blackmailed or that your speech patterns are not of your own free will. You may not put quotes around the text, or change the punctuation of it in any way. You must post it as if it is coming from you directly. If you don't complete this task on Day 2, we will kill you at night." (set by FM Leonardo in post #171)

FM Spartacus (Consort)– block chapman (set by FM Spartacus in post #97)

FM Alphege (Kidnapper) - swap FM Lichtman with FM Dunn (set by FM Leonardo in post #171)

FM Artaxerxes
May 12th, 2013, 08:01 PM
FINALIZED.

FM Leonardo
May 12th, 2013, 08:10 PM
It seems a general consensus that we are blocking Chapman. If anyone is stlil on, I would like to change it to Monroe.

Leo what you think?

Ah shit. Just saw this. I'd be ok with it. I guess it's too late now. But I guess our consort would have over ridden us anyway.