S-FM 80: Trust

[RLVG]

S-FM Trust

Click here for the full setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/18992-S-FM-Trust)



Setup :
- Sheriff
- Jailor
- Doctor
- Escort
- Mason Leader
- Citizen
- Citizen
- Cultist
- Serial Killer
- Executioner
- Investigator



Players :
- NoctiZ
- Bahkieh
- powerofdeath
- Sinclair
- ypmagic
- louiswill
- Titus
- Apache
- Bujeebus
- ika
- creedkingsx





The game starts at Day 1, and it ends at this time. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=17%3A00+GMT%2B1+4.05.2013)

[NoctiZ]

Oh hey, this is great!
So, what's up guys, nice weather today, isn't it?

[Bujeebus]

Today weather is best weather.

[Titus]

The weather is pretty good here.

[Bujeebus]

The weather is pretty good here.

It actually is really nice today here too.

[Titus]

Are you going to enjoy the weather? I am thinking juice with vodka is in order by the pool.

[NoctiZ]

Are you going to enjoy the weather? I am thinking juice with vodka is in order by the pool.

I would order it if I could. Sadly it's cloudy right now.

[Titus]

Lol. It is not even 9 AM here. I was speculating as to future plans. You're from Europe so it is probably late afternnon or early evening there. Most Americans will be at school/work now.

[Bujeebus]

Are you going to enjoy the weather? I am thinking juice with vodka is in order by the pool.

I wish I had a pool. Good times would be had by all.

[Apache]

it's still sunny but soon it might start to rain. weather forecast says also rain for tomorrow :(
also noctiz why are you in every game i play^^

did you random the alignments of invest and exe?

btw citis cannot be converted :(

[Bujeebus]

Lol. It is not even 9 AM here. I was speculating as to future plans. You're from Europe so it is probably late afternnon or early evening there. Most Americans will be at school/work now.

It's 8 AM here. Don't hate.

[Bujeebus]

Does mason leader learns the identity of the person who tries to convert his target?

[Bujeebus]

learn*

[NoctiZ]

it's still sunny but soon it might start to rain. weather forecast says also rain for tomorrow :(
also noctiz why are you in every game i play^^

did you random the alignments of invest and exe?

btw citis cannot be converted :(
I am in every game. -_-

[Titus]

I think citz not being converted is if they vest but I will reread the setup.

This will be my first game with you I think Apache.

By yhe way, I don't really have a pool. It belongs to the condo complex's HOA.

[Apache]

by mason leader i meant. but they can of course be converted by cult ;) (as almost everyone)

[Titus]

Ok. Sorry was confused because I usually hear that Mason Leader's actions referred to as recruiting only and cult does conversion.

[RLVG]

did you random the alignments of invest and exe?

I'll answer this with extra so that I won't get a related question. :p



I have randomed everything : First I take the list of player names, random it in order and then the list of roles and random that, with the list generated I combine them (1st role with 1st player).
Afterwards I random listed (Good), (Neutral), (Evil) for Exe first and then repeat it on Investigator.

Afterwards, I take the first list and random it - the 1st will be the Exe's target.
(Re-roll if it happens to be the exe itself)




Does mason leader learns the identity of the person who tries to convert his target?

The Mason Leader will only learn the identity of the person who tries to convert the Mason Leader.
ML is immune to conversion.

As for the ML & Cult visit a same target, A. Neutral Cult is prevented from converting the target, B. Evil Cult converts the target which the ML then proceeds to kill.

[RLVG]

For referrence, I've made a mistake and did not state that Day 1 could lynch or not.

I'm early announcing that lynching is possible, but requires a hammer.

6

[ika]

DAMN IT I DIDNT GET TO MAKE MY FIRST COMMENT

[Titus]

I like you Apache and Beejeebus. I think your wheels are already turning.

I say we pressure lurkers at the end of the day.

[NoctiZ]

I like you Apache and Beejeebus. I think your wheels are already turning.

I say we pressure lurkers at the end of the day.

Who is to say that the silent ones aren't thinking hard already? ;)

Anyway, I am off until later, going to go out. Later everyone!

[ika]

thinking hurts my brain at times......... so i dont think i act

[Titus]

They may be working hard. However, we cannot work effectively as a team if people withhold information. Plus, this isn't work. This is a fun mystery.

*makes a mental note of noctiZ defending the silent and then doing silent*

Ika, if thinking hurts, just act publically.

[ika]

They may be working hard. However, we cannot work effectively as a team if people withhold information. Plus, this isn't work. This is a fun mystery.

*makes a mental note of noctiZ defending the silent and then doing silent*

Ika, if thinking hurts, just act publically.

i have to head back to work soon but how does one act publicly on a site like this?

i think but sometimes acting out is more fun then thinking. anyway know what we should do......

MASS ROLE CALL

[Titus]

You do realize that is going to get the doctor killed and the sherrif or jailor being converted right? That is assuming people are honest.

I would consider asking for a mass rolecall a public act.

[creedkingsx]

I will read this n things once I get done with varying other duties. Shouldn't be long. ^.^

[Bahkieh]

GOOD MORNING DIMMSDALE!

Ok whatevs. Ill be semi-active for I am trapped in the house for now although I wanna get out

[Titus]

Is the weather horrible Bahkieh or are you under the weather?

[Bahkieh]

Is the weather horrible Bahkieh or are you under the weather?

Why the weather is quite beautiful but I have a small dog to take care of. Which irks me because I need to go to work to talk to the manager about getting more hours because 11 hours is completely unacceptable for someone who has open availability

[creedkingsx]

I like you Apache and Beejeebus. I think your wheels are already turning.

I say we pressure lurkers at the end of the day.

Apache has shown he has the ability to grow and want to.
Bujeebus has shown good play out the gate since he first started playing FM, but he has been around for awhile now.

I don't like people who make meaningless small talk.

[Sinclair]

Hola people. What a nice day outside.

Too bad I gotta work!!! >=(

[Bahkieh]

But small talk is nice Creed. Especially for those who have nothing to do today.

[Titus]

Apache has shown he has the ability to grow and want to.
Bujeebus has shown good play out the gate since he first started playing FM, but he has been around for awhile now.

I don't like people who make meaningless small talk.

The small talk has a meaning. It is to detect lurkers and to get to know in game personalities. We have little to go off of now anything that generates information is good imo.

After day 1 and 2, expect the small talk to be cut down dramatically.

@Bahkieh, that too.

[creedkingsx]

You needn't teach me anything, Titus. :P
Pretty sure I know how these things work a little bit by now. ;)

[Titus]

You do. I am telling you why I do things.There is no perfect way to skin a cat. Why so divisive?

[Apache]

Apache has shown he has the ability to grow and want to.

what you implying?^^


I don't like people who make meaningless small talk.
why not ;)

[Apache]

and guys, do you think the cult want to convert the sk? i don't think so. for them it's much easier to just lynch sk and win.
however, the sk will definitely want to be converted. so he gets some allies. evil cult with sk will be pretty strong. we should prevent this from happening

[NoctiZ]

They may be working hard. However, we cannot work effectively as a team if people withhold information. Plus, this isn't work. This is a fun mystery.

*makes a mental note of noctiZ defending the silent and then doing silent*

Ika, if thinking hurts, just act publically.

The thing is that the information may also help scum, so at times it is good to withhold your thoughts.

[Titus]

and guys, do you think the cult want to convert the sk? i don't think so. for them it's much easier to just lynch sk and win.
however, the sk will definitely want to be converted. so he gets some allies. evil cult with sk will be pretty strong. we should prevent this from happening
This is true if and only if the mason leader is dead. Neutral cult doesn't die upon mason leader visit. Mason Leader just stops neutral cult from converting.

[Titus]

This in the prior post of mine is referring to the sk getting converted. If he does get converted, ml can whack him.

Plus, cult has to deal with the random faction.

[Apache]

oh i see your point
can ml kill a converted sk

[creedkingsx]

How do you guys think the random factions played out? ;)
I think one is insane and one is neutral. Investigator and Executioner respectively.

[NoctiZ]

How do you guys think the random factions played out? ;)
I think one is insane and one is neutral. Investigator and Executioner respectively.

I think neutral Investigator, town Executioner.

[Titus]

The thing is that the information may also help scum, so at times it is good to withhold your thoughts.

This is rarely true on day 1 however. It has its uses when trying to throw off scum to your role. However, no role has anymore information that the others now. I don't see a hypothetical scenario, other than not revealing the roles, in which staying silent helps the town. Please enlighten me.

@Apache Good idea to clarify that.

@creed, no idea yet. Without more information, I would be reluntant to guess as to specific roles. Both being neutral is highly unlikely though.

[creedkingsx]

Executioner is an anti town role and Town would be mad op. Think about it, 7 town, an addad 8th, and a cult that can align with town?

[powerofdeath]

When you are converted, do you still keep your role, or do you lose your powers? For example, doctor got converted to cult, can the doctor still heal or not? What about serial killers or exe/invest?

[powerofdeath]

I would lol if exe's target was serial killer and we lynched him day 1.

[Titus]

@ Creed, this suggests that Insane is not an option for a faction. Besides, how would an insane executioner work? Do everything possible to prevent your target from getting lynched?


I have randomed everything : First I take the list of player names, random it in order and then the list of roles and random that, with the list generated I combine them (1st role with 1st player).
Afterwards I random listed (Good), (Neutral), (Evil) for Exe first and then repeat it on Investigator.

Afterwards, I take the first list and random it - the 1st will be the Exe's target.
(Re-roll if it happens to be the exe itself)

However, I would be inclined to agree that investigator or executioner is likely neutral or evil. All being good is as statically unlikely as both being neut.

An evil investigator would make things interesting. Also, it would be hard to tell the difference between a neutral and an evil SK.

The only way exe could be good is if his target was the SK. Well I mean it is theoretically possible a good executioner could have a doctor for a target according to how the host described the randoms. However, I find that unlikely.

[Titus]

*It would be hard to tell the difference between a neutral and an evil executioner my bad. SK is obviously evil.

[NoctiZ]

This is rarely true on day 1 however. It has its uses when trying to throw off scum to your role. However, no role has anymore information that the others now. I don't see a hypothetical scenario, other than not revealing the roles, in which staying silent helps the town. Please enlighten me.

Let's see. You can be as active as you can and point out every scum slip you see. This may make you a target because scum doesn't like people who find more scum slips as opposed to others (that's what I would think as scum anyway).
You could also withhold that information, seeming useless in day chat but behind the scenes you are collecting everything you find. This is good if you want to survive for quite some time and if you don't fear town pressure. As soon as that happened you could also reveal all your information making them back off most likely.
This method is especially good if you are a TPR.

Of course, not everyone should play this way as it slows down everything and leaves you with no information if noone posts. However, it's like traffic. Everyone drives at a different speed. That's why it works most of the time.

[Apache]

creed since it's random speculations are useless and are only right with luck. that also makes the argument 'town would be op' invalid

[NoctiZ]

creed since it's random speculations are useless and are only right with luck. that also makes the argument 'town would be op' invalid

What I wanted to say. There is no need to give reasons for the assumptions because it's random lol. The guesses are like small talk and it's fun to talk about it, but nothing more.

[creedkingsx]

Host (should) never random. Random leaves imbalance. If he random'd and they either of them got town, town is instantly OP.
@Titus I said Exe was Neutral, not insane. I think the Investigator would be insane because a neutral investigator is a survivor without any vests. Being an investigator as a benign is pointless to your wind condition if you can win with anyone in the game.

[creedkingsx]

Neutral Exe and Insane Invest is the only balanced way to do the random-faction roles.

[Titus]

Let's see. You can be as active as you can and point out every scum slip you see. This may make you a target because scum doesn't like people who find more scum slips as opposed to others (that's what I would think as scum anyway).
You could also withhold that information, seeming useless in day chat but behind the scenes you are collecting everything you find. This is good if you want to survive for quite some time and if you don't fear town pressure. As soon as that happened you could also reveal all your information making them back off most likely.
This method is especially good if you are a TPR.

Of course, not everyone should play this way as it slows down everything and leaves you with no information if no one posts. However, it's like traffic. Everyone drives at a different speed. That's why it works most of the time.

This would make me want to lynch whoever did this style of play. Perhaps that is why I had nagging suspicions about you in terrorist's revenge. This play style reads a lot like a scum play. Hide until caught and then point suspicion on someone else.

However, I can see the "speed" argument somewhat. No one needs to post as frequently as me if hiding out. However, a good town PR should try to find a way to give out his information without exposing himself too much.



Neutral Alignments

I would always random as a host. It prevents allegations of cheating, favoritism, etc. Plus, I don't have to worry about accommodating who wants what. I can just say, the dice decided.

From the host's description of how he randomed, insane investigator does not appear to be a choice.

Neutral investigator has a hard road to follow still. Town may think he's evil if he doesn't give too much information. They could also think he's assisting the SK if he outs too early. If he withholds, he might get killed by the SK for being town aligned possibly.

[creedkingsx]

If nobody is hiding out, scum has no particular reason to hit one person over another.

[Apache]

however creed if you do not random it, people will start speculations what would fit best into the setup.
neutral invest might side with cult then, depends on what happens if cult gets evil. will then invest become evil too?

also the speed thing fails^^ everyone is supposed to drive as fast as allowed ;)

[creedkingsx]

however creed if you do not random it, people will start speculations what would fit best into the setup.

That's the point. :P
all about dat host meta

[creedkingsx]

That's the point. :P
all about dat host meta

To explain, if everything is random, then your game serves no purpose for day one. You may as well just start it Night 1 and save everyone time. (Unless this is Day 0 in which case, what the literal fuck Is there a lynch allowed today?)

[creedkingsx]

And, again, random is imbalanced.

[NoctiZ]

If nobody is hiding out, scum has no particular reason to hit one person over another.

Sure, but not everyone can maintain a high activity level at all times or make posts with substance. I like to hide out when I'm a TPR while everything is going smoothly in day chat, like when I don't need to accuse anyone. Probably the reason Titus saw me as scum in Terrorist's revenge, as Titus brought up.

[creedkingsx]

I see you 4 invisible people. ;)

[creedkingsx]

You like to waste time, then. :P

[creedkingsx]

Here is a WIFOM bomb for you guys.
The Serial Killer wants to kill me tonight.

[Titus]

That's the point. :P
all about dat host meta

So you're supposing RLVG lied in order to justify your meta.

Major scum points. Meta is not that valuable to begin with but stretching reality for low value information is just wierd.



NocitZ. I will be watching you and trying to understand.

[creedkingsx]

Meta is extremely valuable. Assume the host balanced their setup or assume they are bad. Take your pick.

[Sinclair]

Haha you guys take the game too seriously.

Stop trying to analyze everybodys post word for goddamn word and have fun D1. Do it D2 or whatever.

I'M SCUM.

Analyze that.


(Disclaimer: I'm actually not scum)

[NoctiZ]

You like to waste time, then. :P

You replying to me? I mean cases where people are accusing others already, where my points would bring more confusion/sidetracking into the day. Terrorist's revenge had fast days and I didn't read much into it as I had two other games at that time and I didn't see the need to post some irrelevant shit, hence my scumminess.

[creedkingsx]

Sinclair
^.^

[NoctiZ]

Haha you guys take the game too seriously.

Stop trying to analyze everybodys post word for goddamn word and have fun D1. Do it D2 or whatever.

I'M SCUM.

Analyze that.


(Disclaimer: I'm actually not scum)

Scum. EZ PZ

Sinclair

[NoctiZ]

Sinclair
^.^

WHY DO YOU POST BEFORE ME? GTFO

[Apache]

Haha you guys take the game too seriously.

Stop trying to analyze everybodys post word for goddamn word and have fun D1. Do it D2 or whatever.

I'M SCUM.

Analyze that.


(Disclaimer: I'm actually not scum)

ok according to me failproof analysis of this post, you are 100% scum. take that. sry bro..^^

[Titus]

Meta is extremely valuable. Assume the host balanced their setup or assume they are bad. Take your pick.

I'll take option c. Because we don't know what investigator is, the setup is balanced. That is unless you know you're cult/sk and you're trying to explain away the investigator before it happens. Insane wasn't an option creed. Go ahead and try to clarify.

I don't think a good host = lying host. A good host is honest and allows for a random setup to be balanced.

There is the possibility cult could go evil, just like there is a possibility the invest could be town. That would help in the event cult converts sheriff night one.



Sinclair volunteering as scum. Something isn't right. There is no jester. I don't get this at all. *thinking*

[Titus]

Ok, Sinclair's post reads as a scum slip. I can understand why NoctiZ feels posting less might be good. I cannot understand why to tell others to stop posting.

Sinclair

[NoctiZ]

Ok, Sinclair's post reads as a scum slip. I can understand why NoctiZ feels posting less might be good. I cannot understand why to tell others to stop posting.

Sinclair

I spotted two, so yeah.

[creedkingsx]

It only takes 1 scum slip to be scum!

[creedkingsx]

As a Notice, in this game, I will attempt to give helpful tips in the Deathfyre-from-FM14-syle.

[RLVG]

can ml kill a converted sk

Yes. In addition, Cult will become evil if both Cult converts and ML kills on the same time.


When you are converted, do you still keep your role, or do you lose your powers? For example, doctor got converted to cult, can the doctor still heal or not? What about serial killers or exe/invest?

You lose the power, becoming a normal cultist. Regardless of what role.


neutral invest might side with cult then, depends on what happens if cult gets evil. will then invest become evil too?

The Investigator would remain the same, (Town, Neutral, Insane) unless culted.


Is there a lynch allowed today?)

Yes.

[Titus]

Ok creed. It appears insane is an option.

[Apache]

Sinclair
lol

[powerofdeath]

I reread the set up, it said executioner and investigator DOES NOT know if they are town/neut/insane

[powerofdeath]

Unless they are informed that serial killer was converted, then they knows they are insane.

[Titus]

Unless they are informed that serial killer was converted, then they knows they are insane.

Can you rephrase this? I am not following. There are too many pronouns in this sentence.

[powerofdeath]

I reread the set up, it said executioner and investigator DOES NOT know if they are town/neut/insane

Unless the exe/invest are informed that serial killer was converted, then they knows that they are insane.


Better?

[Titus]

The last part is the confusing part...

"Unless the exe/invest are informed that the serial killer was converted" is clear. "Then they knows that they are insane", is not.

I'm going to suppose the first they is the exe/invest so the sentence reads, "Unless the exe/invest is informed that the serial killer was converted, then the exe/invest knows they are insane." However, I don't see how this interpretation is accurate.

An invest would just generate the wrong pairings if insane I presume. An executioner cannot really be insane unless they are doing anything to avoid a target being lynched. An exe doesn't care about what his target is, only that he was lynched.

Also, what do you think of Sinclair? You seem to have skipped over that entirely.

[Apache]

i dont think being insane changes the role, just the alignment

what he means:
randoms won't know which alignment they have. but only insanes are informed about sk conversion. so if a random is informed, this random will know that he self is insane. got it?^^

[Bujeebus]

Glad I'm not thew only one who saw sinclair's post as super scummy.
Creed, you said I have been playing well, BUT I've been here a while? Explain please.
A town aligned exe would not be op because his target could still be town and he doesn't even know what he is.
Not going to vote yet because we are L-2, and discussion is good.

[Bujeebus]

i dont think being insane changes the role, just the alignment

what he means:
randoms won't know which alignment they have. but only insanes are informed about sk conversion. so if a random is informed, this random will know that he self is insane. got it?^^

I think the misunderstanding is in the word insane, there is no possibility for insane invest, but when power refers to insane he means scum/mafia/badperson

[Titus]

I reread the setup. I never saw anything about insanity there. I guess I must have missed it.

Just checking the obvious. Would an insane investigator generate incorrect results? Can there be an evil insane investigator? Would an insane EXE be like a regular exe but for knowledge of the sks conversion?

@Bujeebus. The setup seems to make clear that an insane investigator is impossible. Please explain where I am wrong.

[ika]

L-1 TOLLOARGY

sinclair

[Titus]

Sorry that should read insane investigator IS possible. ARGH! My brain is not firing.

[RLVG]

Just checking the obvious. Would an insane investigator generate incorrect results? Can there be an evil insane investigator? Would an insane EXE be like a regular exe but for knowledge of the sks conversion?

"Insane" is a term for the alignment / faction and not the actual role, under these : Town, Neutral, Insane.
There's no "insane investigator" role-wise.

[Titus]

So how is "Insane" different from evil? All these similar words are driving me nuts. Under what conditions do insane roles win?

[ika]

/in b4 long string of questions from titus

[Titus]

Too late. Gah, this is why there has to be a unique word for everything. Now, it is afternoon. I think a cranberry vodka is in order.

[RLVG]

So how is "Insane" different from evil? Under what conditions do insane roles win?

Evil is a faction of cults that organize that would know identity, while the Insane is "solo play" by themselves with a confirmed SK and a possible Inv / Exe to be Insane-Faction too who doesn't know identity.

The goal of both the evil cult and insane faction : Defeat the town, have at least one alive of the faction. (Cult wins by having majority in addition)

[Titus]

Thank you. My notes will now need revision somewhat but now I have all the win conditions straight, that should help.

[RLVG]

I'll be off so I'm going to be unavailable.
If you greedy voters end the day early, the night won't necessarily start early.

[powerofdeath]

sinclair
You mad?

[The Godfather]

Sinclair has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!

[RLVG]

The day has ended!

Sinclair has been lynched, the first victim!!!

He was the Executioner.
Last Will : Exec; Target Ika. You guys suck.



Congratulations, you've lynched an executioner that were a good guy!



Alive Players :
- NoctiZ
- Bahkieh
- powerofdeath
- ypmagic
- louiswill
- Titus
- Apache
- Bujeebus
- ika
- creedkingsx


The night has started!


The night ends at this time. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=17%3A00+GMT%2B1+5.05.2013)

[RLVG]

The Night has Ended!



Apparantly NoctiZ was brutally murdered by the serial killer, he was the jailor. Quite sad news.



Alive players :
- Bahkieh
- powerofdeath
- ypmagic
- louiswill
- Titus
- Apache
- Bujeebus
- ika
- creedkingsx

Graveyard :
- Sinclair (Town Executioner)
- NoctiZ (Jailor)



The Day starts!

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The Day will end at this time : (www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=17%3A00+GMT%2B1+6.05.2013)

[ika]

WELL.....


titus based of the short 6 hours. i think you are the invest what did you find?

[Apache]

noo not the jailor, why he had no lw, who was jailed?

killing the exe however doesnt really matter, that saves at least ika and exe would die anyway if ika dies

nothing happened to me

[ika]

BTW DONT HAMMER 6 HOURS INTO A GAME!

it was pretty funny though. so i think we sould be looking for our sk right now and i have a pretty good feel of who it might be

Bahkieh

based off yester day he said he had plent of free time but contibuted little. he was asking about ml killing sk. althought that could be viewed as geneal it seems like a question an sk qould ask

[ika]

as for the two who didnt post yesterday i understand their lack of activity due to such quickness. but i expect them to come out

[ika]

noo not the jailor, why he had no lw, who was jailed?

killing the exe however doesnt really matter, that saves at least ika and exe would die anyway if ika dies

nothing happened to me

no one could be jailed due to the lynch

[ika]

Nick is lurking on this thread.......

why?

[Titus]

ika, I am not the invest. Please stop asking for roles to out.

Frankly, you are my suspicious target if I had to pick one.

1) Mass role call - without including your own role.
2) The TOWN ALIGNED executioner had you as a target. How could a town aligned executioner have a target that is town?

My second suspect would be powerofdeath.

Who the hell hammers with more than half a day left? Answer, someone who doesn't want town to figure things out. That's much more suspicious than Bahkieh.



However, given the fact I was wrong about you being scum in Benigns v Town, I'm willing to humor you.

Bahkieh did contribute little according to my notes, although it was day 1.

[ika]

ika, I am not the invest. Please stop asking for roles to out.

Frankly, you are my suspicious target if I had to pick one.

1) Mass role call - without including your own role.
2) The TOWN ALIGNED executioner had you as a target. How could a town aligned executioner have a target that is town?

My second suspect would be powerofdeath.

Who the hell hammers with more than half a day left? Answer, someone who doesn't want town to figure things out. That's much more suspicious than Bahkieh.



However, given the fact I was wrong about you being scum in Benigns v Town, I'm willing to humor you.

Bahkieh did contribute little according to my notes, although it was day 1.

ok then humor me this. why ask about other win alignments? if you are a town role you would only need to pretty much know aobut towns win would you not? and as he said he randomed the roles. i will gladly give out my role if we want to lose another town power. but i have already hinted it many times in day one

yes it was day one but go read his posts

28: he talks about how he is trapped in his house


30: talks about nice weather and complins about lack of work implying he has plenty of free time to talk


33: says small talk is nice due to fact having nothing to do, again implying he could contibute more

he then vanishes for a bit

42: question about mason killing sk

now 42 stikes me odd. yes it is semi general question but really the only people it affects is ml and sk. so to me it becomes that he is either sk or ml. but i think ml is someone else.

titus if you like i can give you my reasoning on why you are prob invest but i gacve a breif one already

[Bahkieh]

BTW DONT HAMMER 6 HOURS INTO A GAME!

it was pretty funny though. so i think we sould be looking for our sk right now and i have a pretty good feel of who it might be

Bahkieh

based off yester day he said he had plent of free time but contibuted little. he was asking about ml killing sk. althought that could be viewed as geneal it seems like a question an sk qould ask

I asked no such thing. Get yo facts straight

[ika]

I asked no such thing. Get yo facts straight

*checks and sees apech*

i swear you 2 are so similar that i cant tell the diffrence for some reason.....

[Titus]

ika, I would rather you not give reasoning as to why I am the investigator. It would confuse the poor doctor and give the sk/cult an advantage. However, I will give you equal town points for trying to figure out who the protective roles are. That logic is to be saved for crunch time, lynch or lose. You hold it in your vest, so when someone claims something that's wrong you highlight that. Last wills are good for that sort of thing too.



I will give you that 42 is an odd question to ask. However, it wouldn't be that odd for a mason leader to ask that either. Also, that was Apache and not Bahkieh.



Powerofdeath is also suspicious. Who hammers that early?

[Bahkieh]

Ika

Honestly I don't like people who are inaccurate. Get your shit straight before you state it. Apache was the one who asked that question.

[Titus]

Ok, I'm not alone in thinking the evidence points to ika, at least he's a good target for pressure here.

ika

[ika]

but it still doesnt exclude you from saying you got free time and then posting so little....

@titus i think due to fact power is semi new he doesnt understand the thing about hammering early but based off what i have gotten from him i think he is town. its just a beginer mistake. i would like to look more into Bahkieh

notice how he came on and only post once only to fix one mistake i made and said nothing else. he claims to have free time but post so little

[Bahkieh]

I never said I have free time. I said I had nothing to do. I am not one of those people who can find scum slips. I piece information together from night actions and go on gut feelings. This is how I always play. I am not a huge talker.

[Titus]

LOL in three minutes, he's supposed to post a novel ika. For some reason, I think you don't like Bahkieh.

I do think powerofdeath has played enough to know the difference between a hammer and just a regular old vote. It wouldn't surprise me if you and powerofdeath are cult and protecting each other. I've played with powerofdeath before and I would highly doubt that he wouldn't understand the concept of a hammer. Yet, you should be highlighting that out to help convince me you are town. Yet, you are not. You are resisting.

Conclusion, ika and powerofdeath are cult.

[ika]

I never said I have free time. I said I had nothing to do. I am not one of those people who can find scum slips. I piece information together from night actions and go on gut feelings. This is how I always play. I am not a huge talker.

but scums dont like to talk. you could at least contibute more. i got aobut 10 more mins before work. but someone should have a feedback.

that is my role. if none hammer early when i come back i will say my role if the pressure is still on. i think that due to the fact that titus sheeps is more proof of her invest.

[ika]

LOL in three minutes, he's supposed to post a novel ika. For some reason, I think you don't like Bahkieh.

I do think powerofdeath has played enough to know the difference between a hammer and just a regular old vote. It wouldn't surprise me if you and powerofdeath are cult and protecting each other. I've played with powerofdeath before and I would highly doubt that he wouldn't understand the concept of a hammer. Yet, you should be highlighting that out to help convince me you are town. Yet, you are not. You are resisting.

Conclusion, ika and powerofdeath are cult.

titus really? you give me town points and then say im cult? now thats bad. i guess i need to send in my last will about who i think everyone is again

[Titus]

Let's see here. Post 110 is not sheeping. LOL

Also, are you TRYING to get me killed ika?



Yeah, I document stuff that goes against my own opinion. You should know that's my mo by now. I listen and take all things into account. Trying to solve puzzle publicly = town behavior.

Unfortunately, it's outweighed by illl timed mass rolecalls, illogical and unverified accusations (Bahkieh didn't make post 42), you being the exe's target, etc. etc.

[ika]

i will be on for about 5 more mins till i have to go back to work. but heres my thoughs on who the scums are

sk:Bahkieh
cult: Bujeebus

and thats it

if you cant figure out my role based of that then thats pathetic

[ika]

Let's see here. Post 110 is not sheeping. LOL

Also, are you TRYING to get me killed ika?



Yeah, I document stuff that goes against my own opinion. You should know that's my mo by now. I listen and take all things into account. Trying to solve puzzle publicly = town behavior.

Unfortunately, it's outweighed by illl timed mass rolecalls, illogical and unverified accusations (Bahkieh didn't make post 42), you being the exe's target, etc. etc.

well seeing how based off your posts from day one you basicly said you are not many roles.

i have to go. none better hammer early this time. when i come back if the pressure is still on me then i will reveal my town power role.

my final hint to my role: the sk will kill me

[Bahkieh]

I think Ika just doesnt like my play style. We seem to get along just fine in Skype. Oh well. I am not one for writing novels as you have probably noticed Titus. Short and Simple is how I like it.

Anyways I received no feedback so that sucks.

[Titus]

Bahkieh, is there any information that can show you are town without revealing your role? Did you visit anyone? If you feel that would make you obvious, just say so. I don't want to out town roles. However, I want to rip this claim to shreads.

I'm pretty sure ika is not invest (claiming someone else is invest = not invest). ika is almost hardclaiming sheriff atm. I'm not going to lynch you because of a faulty sheriff claim to avoid a lynch.

ika, there's only been one night action. So how would you know two roles? I have bujeebus as pretty clear town in my notes. Your posts smell the more you make them.

I suspected you and powerofdeath. Your behavior definitely has me of the opinion you are scum. However, I will be watching Bahkieh closely too as I have been wrong before.

I would recommend the doc on you Bahkieh if ika is not lynched.

Can there be two executioners? Or is it a hard, one executioner one invest?

[Bahkieh]

Doc should not waste his time and I have soft claimed my role. Reread my posts and you may find it.

[Titus]

I'm pretty sure it's one executioner and one invest. I am just trying to cover all the bases.

@Bahkieh, I will reread looking for your softclaims. That's my weakest part is detecting those.

[Titus]

Found your soft claim. Adding it to my notes.

[Apache]

ah yes there was noone jailed of course^^

how come you cant differ me and bahkieh^^
also it was a legit question to ask. because: i was trying to figure out how sk would play and said he would want to become cult. then someone said no because then sk could be killed by ml. and it was titus, not bahkieh. then i clarified this to confirm this argument. btw i still think sk would try to become cult

and ika's role is now blatantly obvious. and it's not sheriff. the last hint wasnt necessary but kinda funny^^ whatever, ika is for sure not scum. but i have one question still, ika, why didn't you follow your FoS on bahkieh in your night action?

[Apache]

also i don't think it's powerofdeath based on how he played in weapon maker

[Titus]

Apache, can you walk me through how you've determined his role? I don't see a "blatantly obvious" role for ika. However, I could be blinded by the fact I think he's scum.

*runs off to go read some of Weapon Maker*

[Apache]

you must find out on your own, it's not hard really

btw at all, dont forget to rewrite your lw tonight or it will be lost!

[Apache]

also since the exe target is random, the alignment is random too (most likely town of course)
so that argument is invalid

[RLVG]

Can there be two executioners? Or is it a hard, one executioner one invest?

There's a confirmed 1X Executioner and 1X Investigator, nothing more and nothing less.
Their alignments are random.

[Titus]

@Apache, the host could have randomed the scums. However, that is a point worth clarifying. I've put my reasoning below.

Did you random the exe's target amongst all the players, or just his opposing faction? It wouldn't make sense to have an executioner with a target with a win condition that puts him against his faction. Ex: Town executioner with town target. It would put the executioner in the situation where he could help the group win or actively pursue his role. He'd have to gamethrow himself or gamethrow the town.

Also, I don't like being told something is simple and not having it explained. That is bs.

However, we agree that ika is not likely sheriff or invest. I don't see how the doctor would have two FOSes when all he should be told was your target was not attacked tonight (presumably because of the jailor dying). The mason leader would be gunning for someone as cult. Citizen here means he's spouting random bullshit in order to save himself. Again, unlikely.

So Apache, suppose I'm an idiot and make the case ika is town. Given the fact, I currently believe you to be town, I'm more likely to be receptive to you rather than ika.

Also, I don't see anything in weaponmaker that makes me think powerofdeath is town.

[RLVG]

Did you random the exe's target amongst all the players, or just his opposing faction? It wouldn't make sense to have an executioner with a target with a win condition that puts him against his faction. Ex: Town executioner with town target. It would put the executioner in the situation where he could help the group win or actively pursue his role. He'd have to gamethrow himself or gamethrow the town.

I did completely random the Exe's target, it could be literally anyone other then the Exe himself.

[Titus]

Ok, then that evidence for ika being scum is gone.

However, I still have,

1) Mass rolecall without offering role
2) Said rolecall would have been bad for the town.
3) Having more "certainty" than is mathematically possible. He "knows" two scum; however there has been only one night action.
4) I cannot give him a role that would make his claims be liveable.


I got no feedback but I'm pretty sure ika is scum and just flat out wrong. At best, he's searching for evidence and will make it up as he goes.

[powerofdeath]

Hey guys, I hammered and stuff, I did what I felt I should do.
Anyway I got an amazing feedback, Im still pending on whether or not I should reveal my feedback

[Titus]

If the feedback is amazing, and you are not the doctor, you should reveal it. There us no bus/witch in the game so the doctor can heal you.

[powerofdeath]

Hmm creedkingsx
Hes cultist

[powerofdeath]

Hes probably neutral, but if cult get big, then convert sk, the large cult will be evil and almost impossible to stop

[Titus]

IF you are right, you have a giant target on your back. However, I am a little relunctant to jump onto the obvious choice with the first feedback. SInclair was obvious, look what that got us.

DId creed try to convert you or did you look into him as a sheriff?

Terrorist's revenge (one of my first games) had an early sherrif claimer who was jester. The real sheriff cced him and only a few thought it was possible for him to be inno. I'm sorry if that makes me a little skeptical. Maybe I missed a scum tell. HE may hve been the first to vote for Sinclar too.

*Thinking*

[powerofdeath]

IF you are right, you have a giant target on your back. However, I am a little relunctant to jump onto the obvious choice with the first feedback. SInclair was obvious, look what that got us.

DId creed try to convert you or did you look into him as a sheriff?


Terrorist's revenge (one of my first games) had an early sherrif claimer who was jester. The real sheriff cced him and only a few thought it was possible for him to be inno. I'm sorry if that makes me a little skeptical. Maybe I missed a scum tell. HE may hve been the first to vote for Sinclar too.

*Thinking*

Nah I checked him out

[Titus]

I doubt creed would have converted you as a cult anyway. So, who do you think creed converted? WHy did you think he was suspicious to check on him?

THis is at least worth y of pressuring him when he comes on. However, I expect a cc. I am not 100% to the point where Ibelieve creed is cult, especially due to your early hammer, but I'm willing to investigate the possibility.

creedkingsx

[creedkingsx]

Ika
I didn't convert anyone. I plan to act as a sort of Mason. I will convert POD tonight to prove that I plan to align with town, assuming he keeps his night action. I will not convert unless I absolutely know the person I am converting is town, i.e. I will not convert the SK.

[creedkingsx]

It's actually not specified if this is normal FM cult where PR's keep their actions.
Do Power Roles keep their action if they are converted?

[creedkingsx]

I am going to work. Will check in if we are slow.

[RLVG]

Do Power Roles keep their action if they are converted?

OoO.

- Jailor jails
- Citizen Vests
- Escort roleblocks
- Kills / execution / Suicide
- Doctor heals
- Investigations
- Mason Leader visits (Pre-evil cult)
- Cult Conversion
- Mason Leader visits

Edit :
After the conversion, the player becomes a basic cultist.
(How many times do I need to say that lol?)

[Bahkieh]

He asked if PR keep their Actions. If not you can convert me Creed if you plan on siding with town

[powerofdeath]

He meant for the rest of the game not just tonight
And no i dont think so
There is no need to convert me

[powerofdeath]

So yeah

[Titus]

Post 79 creed. They lose their power rule for future days but not the day of conversion as indicated in the OoO.

I'm a little leery of letting confirmed cult go based on creed's word. I can settle my suspicions about ika later.

Why should we trust the cult? Plus going after anyone puts the town in a weaker position IMO.

I also do not buy that no one seemed "town enough" to trigger a conversion if you are playing a mason style.

Then again, I've never seen scum just outright admit scumminess and admit to working for the town in the FMs.

Is because he knows he is caught and trying to perform the "woah is me" fine I'll help town angle.

Sorry creed, I do not feel comfortable that a) you're helping town and b) you wouldn't screw up and hit the SK.

[Titus]

That being said, if you are playing like a mason, you are perfectly welcome to come convert me as well. I just do not trust you.

[Titus]

Another thought just occurred to me, of course the cultist would know that the power role would become a normal cultist. Ihave a hard time believing creed missed post 79. I do not know who his cult is, but I think creed just tricked us into confirming who the power roles are for his scum.

[Bahkieh]

I believe Creed didn't convert anyone

[powerofdeath]

Do what you guys want, Ill hammer them

[Titus]

WHy? If this was his plan all along, why not announce it. NOW that he's caught, he then tells the town, "Don't worry I'll be a mason."

IN fact, the host said that this particular scenario where the town just goes along witht he cult is forbidden. Everyone must submit a night action. Creed, therefore, claiming he did not submit a night action in order to get the same gamebreaking result is ludicrious. WE all had to submmit night actions. CReed is lying. Someone is cult, or the mason leader stopped him from converting.

[Titus]

For proof everyone had to submit a night action, see post 14 in the setup thread. Anyone who fails to submit a night action would be killed for gamethrowing. Also, both the host and borkbot were worried about the town essentially gamethrowing by doing what we are debating now. We play the game and lynch the cult, properly. Then, we can find that bastard of an sk.

[Bahkieh]

For proof everyone had to submit a night action, see post 14 in the setup thread. Anyone who fails to submit a night action would be killed for gamethrowing. Also, both the host and borkbot were worried about the town essentially gamethrowing by doing what we are debating now. We play the game and lynch the cult, properly. Then, we can find that bastard of an sk.


I hardly ever read the set up haha

ok Creedkingsx

[Apache]

i don't see the host agreeing to this or putting it into the first post
clarify please

[Titus]

Let me grab post 14 hold on.

[creedkingsx]

Lol he didn't make me submit a night Acton I'll convert you tonight as proof, I have a cooldown on successful conversions
As for saying town can't side with cult that's retarded to make neutral role that wind with everyone but town if they figure out who I an

[powerofdeath]

This sounds good. I like it. Just be sure to clarify it in the rolecards :)


+1

Be sure to clarify it in winning conditions.


Not that you can't add a 12th role if you want, but this seems like a roundabout solution to me. If you just make a rule that you'll replace people who don't submit a night action or skip for no reason, they will lose by gamethrowing like that either way.

Another common solution in cult games is to make the game end as soon as the Evil Cult has a voting majority. SK will be assimilated and any insane neutrals will win with them too, so at that point it becomes statistically impossible to overcome them even with help from the ML. This means that the bigger the Evil Cult gets, the less likely it becomes for remaining townsmembers to join the Evil Cult and win with them. They will HAVE to oppose them.

Post #14 in set-ups

[powerofdeath]

OoO.

- Jailor jails
- Citizen Vests
- Escort roleblocks
- Kills / execution / Suicide
- Doctor heals
- Investigations
- Mason Leader visits (Pre-evil cult)
- Cult Conversion
- Mason Leader visits

Edit :
After the conversion, the player becomes a basic cultist.
(How many times do I need to say that lol?)

Host edited a post :o modkill the host
Jk

This confirm that creed is the original cult

[Titus]

Borkbot, post 10 in thread.


Regardless of all these night actions, the players could coordinate during the day that they want all but 1 player to win. Then the jailor won't jail, the cit won't vest, the doc won't heal, etc. They just sit and wait, never lynch and get rid of the mason leader once they have found him.

Unless you make it mechanically impossible to do this, I'd recommend you include a rule that town players are not allowed to voluntarily help the cult and that skipping night actions without good reason will result in replacement.



Borkbot, post 14 in setup



Now, to the "Bad Game Play" of everyone agreeing to become converted as a cult.
A solution could be to have a 12th slot, a role that counters it in a flexible way to prevent such. "Prevent the cult from growing"?
Not that you can't add a 12th role if you want, but this seems like a roundabout solution to me. If you just make a rule that you'll replace people who don't submit a night action or skip for no reason, they will lose by gamethrowing like that either way.



Post 15 is the host agreeing the town cannot gamethrow, by just letting the cult go wild.



@creed, He should have made you submit a night action. I do not believe the host did not make you submit a night action. This whole, don't worry I am a mason thing is a farce. I will not gamethrow. Convert me if you are permitted but that is BS. The mason leader is now going to throw by allowing the cult to get bigger if I am converted.

[Apache]

who will you convert creed? please convert one of the citizens and no pr

[Apache]

or it doesn't matter who you convert. just announce it, so the ml can prevent it and thus confirming you. if you convert someone else then you're not with town. if that's allowed of course

[ika]

creed the fact that you can find my role is flat out sad. but i know that you know it. and what is to stop anyone form stopping you? you know my role and sk knows it now. i am hoping i get a doc becasue i will be gunning for the sk this time.

wheres louis and magic though? i would expect them to come on.....

btw creed if you knwo who sk is just tell us

[powerofdeath]

Cult: one night between conversion
If cult convert tonight, then he didnt convert last night

[ika]

Cult: one night between conversion
If cult convert tonight, then he didnt convert last night

and i didnt target him last night. but tonight i might just to screw him ;)

anyway about that mass role call and sk hunt?

[Titus]

If creed does convert tonight, then it is VERY poor to allow the cultist to sit back and then go Oh don't worry I'll be a mason. It will be one against the sk, totally ruining the balance of the game. That is exactly what Borkbot and RLVG sought to avoid.

[ika]

If creed does convert tonight, then it is VERY poor to allow the cultist to sit back and then go Oh don't worry I'll be a mason. It will be one against the sk, totally ruining the balance of the game. That is exactly what Borkbot and RLVG sought to avoid.

well if we can find sk today the game will be over quickly

POD i would like ot hear your feedback

[Titus]

So, your plan is to gamethrow, precisely like the host didn't want. I'm already out as a citizen, but I am refusing to go along with this.

I'm coming back in a few hours.

A good portion of the town is refusing to lynch the cult, even though it is known. This is the gamethrow Borkbot was worried about. Not really a question, but something you should notice.

[powerofdeath]

well if we can find sk today the game will be over quickly

POD i would like ot hear your feedback

Post 141

[ika]

So, your plan is to gamethrow, precisely like the host didn't want. I'm already out as a citizen, but I am refusing to go along with this.

I'm coming back in a few hours.

A good portion of the town is refusing to lynch the cult, even though it is known. This is the gamethrow Borkbot was worried about. Not really a question, but something you should notice.

not gamethrow. sk is also evil we can deal with cult. right now its sk we are on the hunt for.

[ika]

derp at post 151. so i need to redo my role list line up. but we can deal with creed later. right now its on the hunt for sk

yo and louis have yet to post today. yesterday was short so understandable. but lets continue this role call

louiswill riff should reveal who they checked

[Bahkieh]

Actually It isnt gamethrowing yet because the cult is still neutral. Once cult converts sk, THEN it become evil

[creedkingsx]

If they wanted to prevent that then they should have just made cult evil from start otherwise it's retarded as fuck

[ika]

well creed as damus would say

what do?

[Bahkieh]

Have Creed try to convert me. ML visit Creed. That way minimal risk to town.

[creedkingsx]

Titus claimed citizen so I'll convert her since she is the only one against having town getting ex mode. Thisis why I said it is OP to have any of the random alignments be town.

[powerofdeath]

well creed as damus would say

what do?

i do not understand this post
'What do?' What does that supposed to mean?

[ika]

- Neutral wins by surviving with the winning faction

if we look at this the cult is nutral. all it need to do is win the the winning faction...

so cult is now pretty much like a ml and ml is like a doc that stops it. creed if we lynch sk it would be over you just need to convert the cits

[ika]

i do not understand this post
'What do?' What does that supposed to mean?

an on running joke we have is the pun

what do?

well i think it is ok for creed to do that if ml targets creed and creed target titus we will know for sure.

as for the doc plz be on me i will post a lw of what im doing but lets continue this role call i will put up the list of called roles

[Bahkieh]

I soft claimed already.

[powerofdeath]

- Bahkieh - citz
- powerofdeath - me :D if you seriously dont know my role by now, quit mafia and never come back
- ypmagic - no talk
- louiswill - no talk
- Titus - important town role not sure which
- Apache - ehh idk
- Bujeebus - quiet
- ika - escort
- creedkingsx - cult

[ika]

- Bahkieh
- powerofdeath (invest)
- ypmagic (???)
- louiswill (???)
- Titus (cit)
- Apache
- Bujeebus (not sk)
- ika (already known just want to troll titus now)
- creedkingsx (cult)

roles missing
- Sheriff
- Doctor
- Escort
- Mason Leader
- serial killer

yes my role is in that list but i am being an ass to titus now

lets us contiune this role call shall we?

@bah i think i figured out your soft claim.... but i will leave them in the air so we can have the others take the roles. anyone who doesnt claim one of the missing roles or wants to cc a role already called do so now

[creedkingsx]

No roll call

[ika]

POWER YOU RUINED MY FUN OF TROLLING TITUS

btw i targeted Bujeebus and the fact that im still sitting here make him not sk unless i dont get attack and healed feedback

[ika]

creed like you said in traito when set role list ROLE CALL

why not now?

[ika]

- Bahkieh
- powerofdeath (invest)
- ypmagic (???)
- louiswill (???)
- Titus (cit)
- Apache
- Bujeebus (not sk)
- ika (escort)
- creedkingsx (cult)

[powerofdeath]

Lmao sorry ika xD titus it was sooo obvious
Anyway yes im invest, i have no idea whether or not im with town, neutral or with sk

[powerofdeath]

I have a feeling apache is the sk
Let me read his posts

[creedkingsx]

If pod is town then I will quit the site.
powerofdeath

[powerofdeath]

My read on apache is that he might be Sk or mason leaders based on day 1 asking a lot of questions relating to either of them

He lurks a lot on day 2

[ika]

I have a feeling apache is the sk
Let me read his posts

now that you mention it it does seem like that i would like him to claim his role at least. i dont think hes realyl a cit from day one questioning

Apache

also if we conclude apech is indeed sk and he flips sk creed should convert the invest becasue cult just wins with majority as of right now. this qill garenteed that power is not insane and should end the game

am i reading it right? the nutral cult simpily wins with majority just as long as its not evil?

[ika]

My read on apache is that he might be Sk or mason leaders based on day 1 asking a lot of questions relating to either of them

He lurks a lot on day 2

thats what i kinda got i was thinking ml/cult due to invest questions and talk about ml and cult but i think the ml slot is taken and you have found the cult

[ika]

and RLVG is on to answer our fun filled questions

[powerofdeath]

creedkingsx
And to think i couldve sided with you later on
For now Im trying to help town because I have no idea if im with serial killer
Chances are when 1 town 1 sk and me at the end, and i end up voting the wrong guy

[powerofdeath]

Unvoting because i want to hammer like any neut would ^.^

[ika]

- Town needs to have dealt with Insane Faction and Evil Cult.

we kill sk creed converts POD, gg

cult is nutral

- Neutral wins by surviving with the winning faction.

so creed can win with us.

ALL ABOARD THE APACHE TRAIN TO VICTORY

[ika]

derp. this is the problem when im hosting a game and in another and a player is in both of them...... i make posts in my own thread XD

[Bahkieh]

Apache Train?

Apache

[ika]

as i was saying.....

if apech flips sk we just have creed conver pod and its gg due to fact cult wins witht eh town then.

if he flips anything but sk creed better target titus and i will rb who i think is the next target ot be sk. i do request the doc be on me though. i will be rbing one of the lurkers this time

[ika]

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ika, creedkingsx, powerofdeath+, RLVG

LOL

[ika]

creed get on apechs train we know you cult already sk will ignore attacking you

[RLVG]

am i reading it right? the nutral cult simpily wins with majority just as long as its not evil?

When Evil.

[creedkingsx]

If rlvg really looked at this save and thought nine town, cult that winswith town and a lone sk and was like yeah that's balanced, face palms will be had

[ika]

When Evil.

now im confused let me reprase

can nutral clut win with town?

[powerofdeath]

If rlvg really looked at this save and thought nine town, cult that winswith town and a lone sk and was like yeah that's balanced, face palms will be had

Hmm i have to agree with you there, sk cannot win this

[ika]

If rlvg really looked at this save and thought nine town, cult that winswith town and a lone sk and was like yeah that's balanced, face palms will be had

you signed up for it......

[powerofdeath]

Before this game started, i already knew sk cannot win, lone sk against huge cult and huge town, sk cannot win, his only chance is to stab bunch of people, get converted and evil cult win majority

[creedkingsx]

I know rlvg is smart. He wouldn't fuck the sk. The amount off imbalance would be ridic.

[ika]

i think it was the fact that this is another ROLE CALL TO WIN game as well...

it think its more ballened for cult becasue if they find sk thay could be like "f you town" and converts sk and be like lolol

but the fact that we are finding sk early on......

[Bahkieh]

suicide bomber citizen?

[ika]

suicide bomber citizen?

???

[powerofdeath]

Lol

[RLVG]

can neutral cult* win with town?

Neutral Cult can win with the town but evil cannot.
The majority of votes count only for the evil cult, not the neutral. (clarification)

[ika]

Neutral Cult can win with the town but evil cannot.
The majority of votes count only for the evil cult, not the neutral. (clarification)

ok we can end this now then lets do it creed

[creedkingsx]

Pod ruined game for me andwe know he is evil. Get him

[powerofdeath]

Pod ruined game for me andwe know he is evil. Get him

You mad?
You do not know if im evil, even if I am, convert me after sk is dead and its gg, if not we lynch you and whoever left is cult will convert me, or if no one is cult i will suicide after you get lynched

[ika]

You mad?
You do not know if im evil, even if I am, convert me after sk is dead and its gg, if not we lynch you and whoever left is cult will convert me, or if no one is cult i will suicide after you get lynched

dont sucide tonight just have it if apech is sk, creed will convert you or hes just being a jerk and doesnt want you to win.

you have a better chance of being nutral or town either way

[ika]

if it is that you are insane just resign

[powerofdeath]

You mad?
You do not know if im evil, even if I am, convert me after sk is dead and its gg, if you do not convert me, we lynch you for being a dick and whoever left is cult will convert me, or if no one is cult i will suicide after you get lynched

I fixed it to make it more clearer

[ika]

i think creed will convert you.


if you happen to have to levae before hammer make sure you put your vote out even if you cant hammer

[powerofdeath]

i think creed will convert you.


if you happen to have to levae before hammer make sure you put your vote out even if you cant hammer

I know but i got a while
Im bored and im going to play on my iphone, i still have skype on my phone and will check often to hammer

[ika]

I know but i got a while
Im bored and im going to play on my iphone, i still have skype on my phone and will check often to hammer

skype doesnt say when to hammer. thats safari

[creedkingsx]

I mean your kind of being a Dick to your probable only ally first so your logic says we should lunch you first

[ika]

I mean your kind of being a Dick to your probable only ally first so your logic says we should lunch you first

creed you win with either if we get sk now it can be over faster. the fact that you are not wanting the porbalbe sk will make us want to lynch you unless you are evil..... but thats why we have ml to vist you

[creedkingsx]

Apache isn't confirmed sk. The fact that you ate more willing to lynch someone who asked the host questions over the confirmed insane investigator makes me want to lynch you

[ika]

Apache isn't confirmed sk. The fact that you ate more willing to lynch someone who asked the host questions over the confirmed insane investigator makes me want to lynch you

but i can rb sk. i already confirmed another not being sk. or better yet i could be a dick and rb you. your choice. if you want to end it faster you tell us who you think is sk

[ika]

and if he is not sk when what is he

[ika]

how about this to do it

we lynch apeach, if he flips sk conver power and gg

if he flips anything else:

doc on me
power checks louis
i rb magic
you convert power

if i get attacked we know who evil is and if i rb and not attack power can tell us wht he finds

either way sk lost

[ika]

alos ml will vist you

[creedkingsx]

why Arter you insistent on not lynching the confirmed evil role? You said it yourself you can fucking block Apache is necessary

[ika]

why Arter you insistent on not lynching the confirmed evil role? You said it yourself you can fucking block Apache is necessary

becasue you want to delay the game like that then. you are usally for ending the game fast when given oppertunity. but right now you seem to be against it. if hes not sk then enlighten me on what he could be

[ika]

why Arter you insistent on not lynching the confirmed evil role? You said it yourself you can fucking block Apache is necessary

how about this creed if you dont vote him i will just block you instead and have power check for me. i dont think sk would want to chance the fact that he might have invest on his side

[ika]

well i have to head back to work pulling a double. creed if you still nutral just vote him up you win with either side do you not......

right now creed is actinv very anti nutral cult

[powerofdeath]

Let wait til end of the day for louis and ypmagic to come out and reveal their roles, knowing louis, he wont reveal it but give us extremely vague way of hinting his role

If they dont post, modkill/replace them for inactivity

[ika]

Let wait til end of the day for louis and ypmagic to come out and reveal their roles, knowing louis, he wont reveal it but give us extremely vague way of hinting his role

If they dont post, modkill/replace them for inactivity

that i can agree on we just gonna do a role call anyway i will be crafing a lw. based off the calls right now

[creedkingsx]

You are lynching someone who isn't confirmed. I am. Remind me how I am delaying the gamer again?

[ika]

You are lynching someone who isn't confirmed. I am. Remind me how I am delaying the gamer again?

becasue if you are still nutral it doesnt matter who we lynch now does it? you win with either party under the condition your still nutral. i think i have a plan to figure it out once and for all. plus if you tuned evil there will be no more sk kills due to fact that sk will lose his power

[creedkingsx]

I'm converting Titus. I've started this like three times. Nobody else but.it makes boo sense to leave the scum that we know is scum alive and lynch someone that might be scum. ESPECIALLY when you claim you can roleblock the sk

[creedkingsx]

Ika thinks Titus is sk

[powerofdeath]

Ika thinks Titus is sk

False, he thinks apache is sk

[creedkingsx]

I've clearly stated multiple tines that I will convert Titus and he thinks I will convert sk therefore he think Titus is sk

[powerofdeath]

Dont hammer =o Ill hammer in the morning

[Titus]

I've clearly stated multiple tines that I will convert Titus and he thinks I will convert sk therefore he think Titus is sk

Or he could think that I am a citizen but that you would convert Apache to fuck with us.

I think one of the lurkers is the escort and ika is the sk but I doubt any of you will agree with me on that. This will be confirmed or not by the end of the day because the lurkers are not posting.

I say we lynch the investigator to ensure victory when we find the sk, if we are not going to lynch known cult. The fact we are letting creed live still ticks me off by the way.

powerofdeath

[ika]

Or he could think that I am a citizen but that you would convert Apache to fuck with us.

I think one of the lurkers is the escort and ika is the sk but I doubt any of you will agree with me on that. This will be confirmed or not by the end of the day because the lurkers are not posting.

I say we lynch the investigator to ensure victory when we find the sk, if we are not going to lynch known cult. The fact we are letting creed live still ticks me off by the way.

powerofdeath

you still dont see me and the obious claims of escort? wow...........

has anyone cc my escort? no
has i said who i rbed? yes
has that person posted yet? no
when they post they can confirm the rb and will confirm the escort.

titus why lynch invest? explain the logic behind that