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Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 03:24 PM
We are starting on night. Night will end at this time http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3%2F16%2F2013+18%3A00+cst&x=0&y=0

You must submit night actions by 1 hour before night ends.

Living players

1. Gerik
2. NocTiZ
3. RLVG
4. Brendan (Orpz)
5. Bunny
6. Nazzhoul
7. TheDarkestLight
8. Titus
9. Azuriae
10. Creedkingsx

Night 0 was chosen so that I could make the post and start game now.
Day 1 will be 24 hours with lynch.

Setup: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/17327-S-FM-What

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 05:34 PM
I HAVE ALL NIGHT ACTIONS SO SCREW IT! Day 1 has begun. Editing time and votes to lynch in in a minute. No one was killed.

Day 1 will end at this time
http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3%2F16%2F2013+20%3A00+cst&x=0&y=0

6

creedkingsx
March 15th, 2013, 05:38 PM
I LEARNT SUMTHIN

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 05:40 PM
I LEARNT SUMTHIN

ORLY?

creedkingsx
March 15th, 2013, 05:43 PM
LOL I FORGOT TO SIGN IT. OH WELL

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 05:43 PM
I need to take a shower. My car is leaking.

creedkingsx
March 15th, 2013, 05:44 PM
Sounds like a lot of personal problems.

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 05:45 PM
Sounds like a lot of personal problems.

Yeah my car took a leak on me last night.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 05:45 PM
Yeah my car took a leak on me last night.

wat

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 05:47 PM
wat

It went all Optimus Prime on me and pissed on me while I sleeped. I thought about taking a shower but fuk logik.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 05:52 PM
It went all Optimus Prime on me and pissed on me while I sleeped. I thought about taking a shower but fuk logik.

oh... ok then...

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 05:55 PM
oh... ok then...

Yeah I never like the Autobots. It's all about Decepticons.





It means I was doused... How can you not get that? Cars piss gasoline, my car pissed on me...

Nazzhoul
March 15th, 2013, 05:57 PM
It went all Optimus Prime on me and pissed on me while I sleeped. I thought about taking a shower but fuk logik.

As far as I am aware, that was Bumblebee.

GLHF everyone.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 05:59 PM
Well let's see. No one died last night. So... Was anyone healed, doused, or charged?

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 05:59 PM
Well let's see. No one died last night. So... Was anyone healed, doused, or charged?


Yeah I never like the Autobots. It's all about Decepticons.





It means I was doused... How can you not get that? Cars piss gasoline, my car pissed on me...

Nothing to see here.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 06:02 PM
Nothing to see here.

Yeah... I may or may not have stopped reading your posts after seeing "autobots"

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 06:03 PM
setup is in first post of fm

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 06:03 PM
Ok, so we have an arsonist. Interesting.

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 06:07 PM
Ok, so we have an arsonist. Interesting.

definitely agree on this! so who was doused?

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 06:08 PM
definitely agree on this! so who was doused?


It means I was doused... How can you not get that? Cars piss gasoline, my car pissed on me...

Don't worry, I missed it too at first.

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 06:15 PM
Don't worry, I missed it too at first.

lol wasnt really paying attention to boring boy chitchat.

creedkingsx
March 15th, 2013, 06:19 PM
Arsonist
Cultist
Benign Neutral, probs a Seeker of some kind.
Town Core
Town Core
Town Power
Town Support
Town Support/Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Killing

We already know there is an Arsonist.
I think it is safe to assume there is no Mafia. He ended night early because all actions were submitted yet there were no deaths. I feel it is a safe assumption. Plus, it is an interesting twist to have no mafia in a game of mafia.
Now then, only having 1 evil neutral would be wayyy to easy for town unless there were like 4 benigns, which would be ridiculously unpredictable, leading to imbalance issues so it is safe to assume there is some kind of second party evil. Something weak like a standalone cultist, maybe, or an electromaniac.
Let's, then, assume at least one Benign Neutral.
For town, I feel it is setup somewhat like this.
2 core for standard 2 citizen-type roles in all s-fms. lol
I don't think there is a Town Specialty.
Town Power feels needed.
Probably 1-2 Supports because the category carries 3 unique roles.
1-2 Investigative, again, standardstandard.
And a killing for good measure.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 06:21 PM
lol wasnt really paying attention to boring boy chitchat.

None of us were, really.

So I'm assuming that everyone other than TDL who has posted so far has had nothing happen to them, yes?

creedkingsx
March 15th, 2013, 06:21 PM
That is correct.

creedkingsx
March 15th, 2013, 06:21 PM
OFF TO WORK

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 06:23 PM
Arsonist
Cultist
Benign Neutral, probs a Seeker of some kind.
Town Core
Town Core
Town Power
Town Support
Town Support/Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Killing

We already know there is an Arsonist.
I think it is safe to assume there is no Mafia. He ended night early because all actions were submitted yet there were no deaths. I feel it is a safe assumption. Plus, it is an interesting twist to have no mafia in a game of mafia.
Now then, only having 1 evil neutral would be wayyy to easy for town unless there were like 4 benigns, which would be ridiculously unpredictable, leading to imbalance issues so it is safe to assume there is some kind of second party evil. Something weak like a standalone cultist, maybe, or an electromaniac.
Let's, then, assume at least one Benign Neutral.
For town, I feel it is setup somewhat like this.
2 core for standard 2 citizen-type roles in all s-fms. lol
I don't think there is a Town Specialty.
Town Power feels needed.
Probably 1-2 Supports because the category carries 3 unique roles.
1-2 Investigative, again, standardstandard.
And a killing for good measure.

Yeah, the lack of kills caused me to think cultist too. But if there is a cult, they only started with one member because night ended so early they wouldn't have had time to discuss anything. However, the cultist probably converted successfully last night.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 06:25 PM
OFF TO WORK

heigh ho, heigh ho.

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 06:56 PM
Oh hello.
This started earlier than I thought it would.
This is actually my first SFM ever; meaning the first time I have my COM revealed. This should be interesting.
A shame CmG isn't playing. I would have love to see him die a gruesome death.

Just testing.
Azuriae

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 07:00 PM
Also, you spelled my name wrong, Slaol.
Shame on you.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 07:21 PM
Oh hello.
This started earlier than I thought it would.
This is actually my first SFM ever; meaning the first time I have my COM revealed. This should be interesting.
A shame CmG isn't playing. I would have love to see him die a gruesome death.

Just testing.
Azuriae

y u hate CMG?

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 07:21 PM
y u hate CMG?

he prolly arson or something

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 07:27 PM
I was beginning to think Mafia might be in play and doc guessed right. Yet, the host didn't include mafia heals in the description of the doctor. So yeah, there's definitely a neutral killer of some sort. Arson is the one that cannot be healed. So we are definitely dealing with an arson.

Cult is also included under doctor. It would seem weird to include a cult without mentioning the more normal stuff a doctor can do. So yes, we likely have a cult as well.

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 07:30 PM
inb4 titus is cultist

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 07:31 PM
I was beginning to think Mafia might be in play and doc guessed right. Yet, the host didn't include mafia heals in the description of the doctor. So yeah, there's definitely a neutral killer of some sort. Arson is the one that cannot be healed. So we are definitely dealing with an arson.

Cult is also included under doctor. It would seem weird to include a cult without mentioning the more normal stuff a doctor can do. So yes, we likely have a cult as well.

Just repeating everything someone says. Seems legit.

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 07:31 PM
Just repeating everything someone says. Seems legit.

LOL thats all titus does she calls it logic.....

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 07:33 PM
Lets use meta. Who among this group would douse me? I have a feeling it wasn't random.

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 07:34 PM
nazzhoul, brendan, rlvg?

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 07:36 PM
I am fully capable of disagreeing, Bunny. As for what I describe as logic, check out Terrorist's Revenge. I had caught the Terrorist but he had made me look scummy.

Btw, I am not sure on benign neutral.

Yet, I think there is a nurse in play. Too much space in the setup is devoted to that.

TDL, you are claiming doused? That's definitely confirming arson.

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 07:37 PM
I am fully capable of disagreeing, Bunny. As for what I describe as logic, check out Terrorist's Revenge. I had caught the Terrorist but he had made me look scummy.

Btw, I am not sure on benign neutral.

Yet, I think there is a nurse in play. Too much space in the setup is devoted to that.

TDL, you are claiming doused? That's definitely confirming arson.

Read everything before you post. Trolly posts might contain valuable info. Like the post I said I was doused in.

Nazzhoul
March 15th, 2013, 07:38 PM
nazzhoul, brendan, rlvg?

Yes?

@TDL:
Is there a specific reason why you did not immediately and clearly claim doused?

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 07:39 PM
Yes?

@TDL:
Is there a specific reason why you did not immediately and clearly claim doused?

Because I assumed people would get what I meant.

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 07:39 PM
I am fully capable of disagreeing, Bunny. As for what I describe as logic, check out Terrorist's Revenge. I had caught the Terrorist but he had made me look scummy.



lol so you failed? cool story!!!!!! yur scum to me now. capable of disagreeing but dont?

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 07:42 PM
y u hate CMG?

I always end up getting killed by him. It's always his fault.

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 07:43 PM
Lol. Really? By what reasoning do I have to disagree with a player who I feel has the setup right? If there is a jester (not sure yet), my bet is you.

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 07:46 PM
Lol. Really? By what reasoning do I have to disagree with a player who I feel has the setup right? If there is a jester (not sure yet), my bet is you.

Jester... Calling someone a Jester/Exec is a common tactic. 5/10 times it means the player is scum, 4/10 it means he got a wrong read, and 1/10 means he got a correct read.

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 07:50 PM
Lets use meta. Who among this group would douse me? I have a feeling it wasn't random.

I don't know you. Do I?

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 07:51 PM
Jester... Calling someone a Jester/Exec is a common tactic. 5/10 times it means the player is scum, 4/10 it means he got a wrong read, and 1/10 means he got a correct read.

By directly calling out and trying to confirm cult i'm going with player is scum, although i dont know why someone would do that.. such as reminds me of orpz "i'm doctor" tactic.

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 07:53 PM
Look, what is the fastest way to get lynched as jester? Do what scum does.

Scum always, invariably accuses me as bad. It's happened in both my games. Both I have been town. Both I have been helpful, although sometimes wrong.

I wasn't saying Bunny WAS jester. I was saying it made her look like that. Hell, I'm not even sure if there is a jester in setup. All I'm saying is don't lynch Bunny just in case.

TheDarkestLight
March 15th, 2013, 07:53 PM
I don't know you. Do I?

Only from the last M-FM, perhaps you precieved me as a Cultist and wanted to make sure their wasn't a repeat of that.

There are infinite possibilities.

Bunny
March 15th, 2013, 07:55 PM
Look, what is the fastest way to get lynched as jester? Do what scum does.

Scum always, invariably accuses me as bad. It's happened in both my games. Both I have been town. Both I have been helpful, although sometimes wrong.

I wasn't saying Bunny WAS jester. I was saying it made her look like that. Hell, I'm not even sure if there is a jester in setup. All I'm saying is don't lynch Bunny just in case.

planning on culting or dousing me?

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 07:59 PM
TDL, I don't have the meta knowledge to help you. Yet, I'll try to tell you what I would look for in the meta.

It's night 0 with no evidence of roles and no talking, so it's either meta or randomness.

A) Who is the type to select a random person to be arsoned? Keep them on your FOS.

B) Who views you as a threat if you were able to catch them? Keep them on your FOS.

C) Who, if they disagree with you, tends to lose the disagreement? Put them highest on your FOS.

D) Who seems scummy day 1? Add them to your FOS.

That's my opinion but I don't know the game well enough to say who'd qualify.

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 08:04 PM
Brendan has been replaced with Orpz

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 08:35 PM
A day event has occurred! The host has rated his own thread a 5 star! Carry on.

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 08:46 PM
What are the possible day events? It's not exactly clear from the setup?

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 09:00 PM
Arsonist

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 09:02 PM
brb reading setup

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 09:04 PM
brb reading setup

Probably should've done that before.
If I may ask, what was the point of your above post?

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 09:06 PM
Probably should've done that before.
If I may ask, what was the point of your above post?

Open to interpretation, what do you think it is?

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 09:12 PM
What are the possible day events? It's not exactly clear from the setup?

What was clear from the setup?

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 09:13 PM
What was clear from the setup?

touche

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 09:17 PM
Arson obviously can act. Do PMs count as day actions? Ventriloquists? Mimes? Hitman? Basically, I want to know what roles can trigger a day action. Also, the arson would have to admit to being arson to day light right? Spy? I just would like a list of any and all actions that would trigger "a day action has occurred".

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 09:29 PM
Arson obviously can act. Do PMs count as day actions? Ventriloquists? Mimes? Hitman? Basically, I want to know what roles can trigger a day action. Also, the arson would have to admit to being arson to day light right? Spy? I just would like a list of any and all actions that would trigger "a day action has occurred".

Arsonist. PMs are not announced. All other things count as night actions even if they must be declared to host during day.

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 09:32 PM
Mayor and Marshall can cause day events actually

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 09:35 PM
So, if it's arsonist, the rules clearly state that Arsonist must reveal self. Orpz's post should be taken as a revelation that he is arson. I see no other logical conclusion.

Orpz

While Mayor and Marshall are possible, they have to reveal and then their actions take place.

If I am wrong, as always, I'd love to be corrected.

Anyone else claim doused?

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 09:40 PM
I am not Arsonist

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 09:41 PM
Orpz, then work with me here. Help me find another explanation. I doubt you would reveal so early again, given what happened in the last game. However, I see no interpretation consistent with the rules. Please, help me find one. I will unvote if you have a remotely plausible scenario.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 09:46 PM
Orpz, then work with me here. Help me find another explanation. I doubt you would reveal so early again, given what happened in the last game. However, I see no interpretation consistent with the rules. Please, help me find one. I will unvote if you have a remotely plausible scenario.

I believe the "reveal" is something akin to a mayor pm that will have the host officially reveal him. Slaol, please confirm.

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 09:49 PM
Orpz, then work with me here. Help me find another explanation. I doubt you would reveal so early again, given what happened in the last game. However, I see no interpretation consistent with the rules. Please, help me find one. I will unvote if you have a remotely plausible scenario.

I said it for fun

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 09:50 PM
yes. An arson would PM me to day ignite, this would kill doused and I would confirm him

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 09:52 PM
So if the arsonist has day ignited, then TDL should be dead and you should be confirming the arsonist's identity right? Or did no day action occur at all and you were pranking us?

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 09:57 PM
So if the arsonist has day ignited, then TDL should be dead and you should be confirming the arsonist's identity right? Or did no day action occur at all and you were pranking us?

He's not pranking us... Slaol never said anything the arson choosing to ignite today...

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 10:02 PM
He said a day action has occurred. I asked him for all possibles. The only possible he gave that could have happened is the Arsonist. Marshall and Mayor require the target to reveal, and THEN the action occurs. Therefore, arson happened or host pranked or host omitted.

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 10:08 PM
A day event has occurred! The host has rated his own thread a 5 star! Carry on.

The day event was him rating his own thread a 5 star if that's what you were referring to

Slaol
March 15th, 2013, 10:09 PM
He said a day action has occurred. I asked him for all possibles. The only possible he gave that could have happened is the Arsonist. Marshall and Mayor require the target to reveal, and THEN the action occurs. Therefore, arson happened or host pranked or host omitted.

i said what happened... I voted it a 5 star thread. I have confirmed Slaol to be the Troll-Host role. His vote counts for 80

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 10:16 PM
You have got to be kidding me. I got punked by the host. Now, I'll just hide and come back in the real world morning.

[unvote]

Titus
March 15th, 2013, 10:16 PM
Sorry the last message didn't unvote.

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 10:17 PM
Azuriae

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 10:17 PM
He said a day action has occurred. I asked him for all possibles. The only possible he gave that could have happened is the Arsonist. Marshall and Mayor require the target to reveal, and THEN the action occurs. Therefore, arson happened or host pranked or host omitted.

9712

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 10:19 PM
Azuriae

I can play this game too if you want.
Azuriae
Scum.

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 10:20 PM
I can play this game too if you want.
Azuriae
Scum.

Wait a minute.
Orpz

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 10:26 PM
stop it arsonist :(

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 10:26 PM
stop it arsonist :(

But I thought you were the Arsonist.

Gerik
March 15th, 2013, 10:27 PM
stop it arsonist :(


But I thought you were the Arsonist.

Everyone calm down. You are clearly both the arsonist.

Azuriae
March 15th, 2013, 10:29 PM
9713

creedkingsx
March 15th, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jester... Calling someone a Jester/Exec is a common tactic. 5/10 times it means the player is scum, 4/10 it means he got a wrong read, and 1/10 means he got a correct read.

This statement bugs the fuck out of me.
Reducing fractions is important because fuck you.

ONTO PAGE 2 OF THE POSTS SINCE I LEFT FOR WORK. BEWEWEWEWEWK

creedkingsx
March 15th, 2013, 11:29 PM
A) Who is the type to select a random person to be arsoned? Keep them on your FOS.

It was most likely random. The fact that he thinks otherwise suggests paranoa, suggests scummy as fuck. Noted*


A day event has occurred! The host has rated his own thread a 5 star! Carry on.

lol'd


What was clear from the setup?

Nothing. I feel a strange sense of longing.


You have got to be kidding me. I got punked by the host. Now, I'll just hide and come back in the real world morning.

[unvote]

lol'd



I can play this game too if you want.
Azuriae
Scum.Wait a minute.
Orpz

lol'd


Everyone calm down. You are clearly both the arsonist.

Sounds logical.

Orpz
Azuriae
Orpz
Azuriae
Orpz
Azuriae
Orpz
Azuriae
Orpz
Azuriae
Orpz
Azuriae

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 11:43 PM
Everyone calm down. You are clearly both the arsonist.

Exactly. My vote on him was sending a clear message:

http://youtu.be/jmNU8blUwms?t=20s

Orpz
March 15th, 2013, 11:53 PM
oh shit last wills aren't allowed

Arsonist prediction:
Azuriae

Miscellaneous scum prediction:
Nazzhoul
Noctiz



such as reminds me of orpz "i'm doctor" tactic.

i'm doctor

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 12:58 AM
oh shit last wills aren't allowed

Arsonist prediction:
Azuriae

Miscellaneous scum prediction:
Nazzhoul
Noctiz




i'm doctor

Don't lie to me.
You're obviously the Arsonist.
I am town. Duh.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:20 AM
Hi guys, unfortunately I was out last night so I didn't see the game starting. This is a funny thread so far.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:40 AM
Okay, a thought I just have to post: I received a really weird PM through Slaol. I don't know, but I feel like that person who sent me it is blackmailed, but the person says "me no blackmail". What if there is a Toxicologist? I obviously don't know who sent it to me, but the only person who hasn't said anything is RLVG. If RLVG is the one who sent me it (kinda doubt it though, why me?), well speak up. I bet we have a doctor under the TPRs. And if you were not poisoned.. forget my post. It just bugs me for now.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:46 AM
Sorry for triple post: The message also talks about having received my message. If there were previous PMs: Pick your possible conversation-partner more carefully. :P

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 04:42 AM
I was asleep while all this happened.


I HAVE ALL NIGHT ACTIONS SO SCREW IT! Day 1 has begun. Editing time and votes to lynch in in a minute. No one was killed.

:suspicious:

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:43 AM
I was asleep while all this happened.



:suspicious:
As was I, and I guess that the PM is not from you then.

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 04:44 AM
As was I, and I guess that the PM is not from you then.

I also received that PM. "To RLVG from anonymous"

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:49 AM
I also received that PM. "To RLVG from anonymous"

Whoa what, was that a mass PM then? Someone trolling us I guess?

Hm, the troll is a little host.. who knows.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:49 AM
Hm, the troll is a little host.. who knows.

Oops, brainlag. The host is a little troll. :>

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 04:52 AM
TDL claimed doused, so I checked the setup. The setup cries out that it has two neutral killers.

We received no "bounty" so a Joker is non-existant. There's lack of kills.

1. Mass Murderer who were unlucky.
2. Serial Killer who's target got healed.
3. Cultist, no kills.



Evil Power
o Serial Killer – Kill a target at night.
• Wins ties against Arsonist

o Arsonist – Douse a target/Undouse yourself/Undouse a target/or ignite all doused
• Wins ties against Mass Murderer

o Mass Murderer – Visit a target and kill all others that visit.
• Wins ties against Joker

o Joker – Announce a mark. If they are not lynched in 2 days you may kill 2 people.
• Wins ties against Serial Killer

o Cultist – Converts a player making them a Cultist
• May not recruit immune

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 04:59 AM
PM's through me, may be signed as any player. Will be sent ASAP.

Is there a limit of amount of PMs?

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 08:17 AM
Did the message talk about Yoda and the pope? If so, I got the same message.

Does victim get notified if they were attacked?

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 08:18 AM
Did the message talk about Yoda and the pope? If so, I got the same message.

Does victim get notified if they were attacked?

Yes that was the message. Someone likes to prank us.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 08:30 AM
Then the message was anonymous, any chance the sender didn't know who was "blackmailing" them? But yeah, most likely a prank. Why send it to AFK people?

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 08:36 AM
Did the message talk about Yoda and the pope? If so, I got the same message.

Blackmail, arso, trust, etc.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 08:39 AM
Blackmail, arso, trust, etc.

Yes yes, we got that, it's the same message. :P

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 09:30 AM
everyone got 2 messages, yes?

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 09:46 AM
I only got one PM, same topic about everyone else though (yoda and the pope)

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 09:47 AM
I only got one PM, same topic about everyone else though (yoda and the pope)

Same here, Bunny, would you be so kind and tell us what the message is about? :unsure:

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 09:58 AM
are we allowed to post pm's?

basically it was to tdl and told him he was doused and to frame azuraie or else he would be incinerated immediately.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 09:59 AM
are we allowed to post pm's?

basically it was to tdl and told him he was doused and to frame azuraie or else he would be incinerated immediately.

And why do you think did you get that message?

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 10:04 AM
basically it was to tdl and told him he was doused and to frame azuraie or else he would be incinerated immediately.

Bunny is the Arsonist again? Gee.

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 10:05 AM
are we allowed to post pm's?

basically it was to tdl and told him he was doused and to frame azuraie or else he would be incinerated immediately.

or the Framer.

Azuriae is Arsonist

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 10:17 AM
lol why do either of you think that?

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 10:21 AM
Just saying, in about 30min to a hour I'm going to cinema.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jeez, there seems to be something scummy with the PMs going on. I would definitely like to see the PM you got Bunny.

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 12:25 PM
I'll post it when slaol oks that

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 12:31 PM
Don't forget the PM can be signed by anyone so it's not necessarily TDL

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 12:35 PM
I could see someone denying that they got a message similar to Bunny and allegedly TDL because they didn't want to get targeted by the arsonist, just in case they were wrong about their target.

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 12:36 PM
I said it was TO thedarkestlight. Whoever is sending the pms is prolly scum. We can likely assume anyone's names mentioned in the pms are likely town.

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 12:39 PM
So, TDL, me and azurae (or however yu spell it) was mentioned.

Gerik
March 16th, 2013, 12:43 PM
I said it was TO thedarkestlight. Whoever is sending the pms is prolly scum. We can likely assume anyone's names mentioned in the pms are likely town.

If it was sent to thedarkestlight, why did you receive it?

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 12:46 PM
So, TDL, me and azurae (or however yu spell it) was mentioned.

Maybe you and TDL are Town but Azuriae is Arsonist

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 12:46 PM
9716

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 12:48 PM
Cuz scum is trolling? I even asked if I was meant to receive it. Slaol said yea

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 12:49 PM
I don't this azurae is scum at all

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 12:50 PM
Orpz, are you thinking that Azuriae sent the messages to Bunny and TDL in order to make himself look innocent?

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 12:51 PM
Orpz, are you thinking that Azuriae sent the messages to Bunny and TDL in order to make himself look innocent?

No I think he doused TDL

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 12:52 PM
No I think he doused TDL

This is definitely a possibility, and you basically agreed with Titus, just expanded that this makes him the Arsonist.

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 12:55 PM
I don't think azurae is arsonist. He is obviously being set up...

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 12:56 PM
Lets use meta. Who among this group would douse me? I have a feeling it wasn't random.I don't know you. Do I?

Trying to clear himself from being Arsonist even though no one FoS'd him of being Arsonist prior

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 12:57 PM
I don't think azurae is arsonist. He is obviously being set up...

It's basically both until proven otherwise. It's like Schroedinger's cat.

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 12:58 PM
scrotumdingers cat is deaaaaaaaaaaad

gonna go eat somewhere brb azuriae for arsonist 2016

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 12:58 PM
Well how do we go about proving that? I'd like to know whether this is a setup or not.

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 12:59 PM
I think you guys are being fooled..

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 01:01 PM
Bunny, I disagree with you but it is a possibility. Any idea how we could prove it either way? I know I have been wrong epically in this thread before.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 01:04 PM
Oh come on now!
I obviously can't be the Arsonist.
I am clearly Town.
(I received THREE PMs, by the way.)

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 01:04 PM
What did you receive? I'm supposing the yoda, pope message but what were the other two?

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 01:06 PM
What did you receive? I'm supposing the yoda, pope message but what were the other two?

I am not going to directly post them unless Slaol confirms we can.
The third one was only two words though. Was I the only one to get it?

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 01:12 PM
I only got one. No one else claims to have gotten your third message. What (without copy-pasting) was the second? Are you claiming it was similar to Bunny's?

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 01:23 PM
The first one was. The third one wasn't. It was stupid immature stuff.




I don't this azurae is scum at all

Why are you so convinced? I have only made a few posts so far. ;)

Slaol
March 16th, 2013, 01:25 PM
Is there a limit of amount of PMs?

no. The limit is 'make me hate the mechanic'


Does victim get notified if they were attacked?

Yes.


are we allowed to post pm's?

You can post anything text.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 01:26 PM
no. The limit is 'make me hate the mechanic'

Challenge.. accepted? Ok no, I won't abuse it.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 01:28 PM
Ok. Everyone can post the PMs. I'm posting the Yoda Pope Message now.


i got ur message. me no trust u. message not apply me. me thinks u not arson. no blackmail me. me refuse. awesome is yoda. me like pope. better than devil looking pope.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 01:29 PM
THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE HAS BEEN SENT TO TheDarkestLight:
HELLO TheDarkestLight

YOU HAVE BEEN DOUSED BY ME. I CAN IGNITE YOU ANYTIME I WANT.
BUT IF YOU REALLY VALUE YOUR LIFE, THE DO THE FOLLOWING ON DAY 1:

YOU MUST CLAIM YOURSELF AS SHERIFF AND DECLARE THAT Azuriae IS CONFIRMED MAFIA. FURTHERMORE, YOU MUST ACTUALLY VOTE AGAINST Azuriae.

IF YOU DO EXACTLY AS I SAID, THEN YOU WON'T BE INCINERATED ON DAY 1. WHAT IS FORBIDDEN:

IF YOU WON'T DO WHAT I SAID (FRAMING Azuriae), THEN YOU WILL BE INCINERATED.
IF YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE DOUSED, THEY YOU WILL BE IMMEDIATELY INCINERATED.
IF YOU WON'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL DURING DAY 1, YOU WILL BE INCINERATED.
ALSO, IF YOU TRY TO OFFEND Bunny, YOU WILL BE INCINERATED.

GOT IT?


i got ur message. me no trust u. message not apply me. me thinks u not arson. no blackmail me. me refuse. awesome is yoda. me like pope. better than devil looking pope.



Vagina boob


Yep. I honestly have no idea what is going on. Totally.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 01:32 PM
Why the hell would the person making you look scummy then turn around and give you the message they made you look scummy in?

Slaol
March 16th, 2013, 01:32 PM
Clarification: Since there is no way to link to any PM (that I know of), there is no way to prove any PM is real, thus you may post any text as the PM, just no screenshots of anything, obviously.

TheDarkestLight
March 16th, 2013, 01:38 PM
Azuriae somehow got the same message from the Arsonist as I. The Arson threat means little to me, it is foolish, it simply gives him a .5 KPN, which is lower than what he could have, and it was foolish to send it to multiple people.

creedkingsx
March 16th, 2013, 01:38 PM
I've only gotten the one talking about a blackmailer.
Just to remind everyone, there probably isn't a mafia.

Moving on, I get a bad vibe from Azuraie. I can;t explain it, but my gut says he is scum.
Azuriae

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 01:39 PM
Of course not. But we can already confirm that Titus and I got the exact same message.

I'm a bit worried though. Why was I the only one to get the third one?

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 01:39 PM
I've only gotten the one talking about a blackmailer.
Just to remind everyone, there probably isn't a mafia.

Moving on, I get a bad vibe from Azuraie. I can;t explain it, but my gut says he is scum.
Azuriae

Well that's not nice. Why would you lynch your Arsonist?
I'm just trying to help you guys. Totally.
Care to post said PM?

creedkingsx
March 16th, 2013, 01:41 PM
The second one you posted, I got that.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 01:42 PM
Azuriae

Maybe because the third message (vagina boob) is pointless bullshit designed to put us off track or sent by a man-troll who needs to get out of the house more.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 01:44 PM
Oh come on guys!
This is my first S-FM.
Let me have some fun! :(

You guys have no evidence.

Slaol
March 16th, 2013, 01:52 PM
4 HOURS UNTIL DAY ENDS!

creedkingsx
March 16th, 2013, 02:00 PM
You guys have no evidence.

Welcome to Forum Mafia

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 02:01 PM
Welcome to Forum Mafia

Whatever you say Creed.
Lynch is not going to happen today anyway.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:05 PM
Whatever you say Creed.
Lynch is not going to happen today anyway.

I would love to lynch you for this, but this goes against my belief that you are an innocent who is really getting framed.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 02:07 PM
So you think Orpz is an executioner then, and spammed us to death so we'd vote for A? That would be consistent with Creed's theory of their being a neutral benign in the game.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:09 PM
So you think Orpz is an executioner then, and spammed us to death so we'd vote for A? That would be consistent with Creed's theory of their being a neutral benign in the game.

I do not think anything. I said that Azuriae's situation is like Schroedinger's cat, if you get that analogy. I just personally believe that s/he is getting framed.

Slaol
March 16th, 2013, 02:10 PM
I do not think anything. I said that Azuriae's situation is like Schroedinger's cat, if you get that analogy. I just personally believe that s/he is getting framed.

HE!?

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:11 PM
HE!?

Dear host,

would you like to have anything clarified, like the analogy?

Greetings,
NoctiZ

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 02:12 PM
I have returned from sleep/Awesomenauts/MLG.

I also got the odd pope/yoda message, but not the second arson one. Or Azur's third one for that matter.

I saw the gut train on Azuriae, and I didn't follow. Then I saw this:


Oh come on guys!
This is my first S-FM.
Let me have some fun! :(

You guys have no evidence.

Gut read: scum playing pity card. I'd vote him, but that would put him at L-2 and that's not really smart at the moment. Someone ask me a question to make me contribute. I don't like just jumping in out of nowhere.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:13 PM
I have returned from sleep/Awesomenauts/MLG.

I also got the odd pope/yoda message, but not the second arson one. Or Azur's third one for that matter.

I saw the gut train on Azuriae, and I didn't follow. Then I saw this:



Gut read: scum playing pity card. I'd vote him, but that would put him at L-2 and that's not really smart at the moment. Someone ask me a question to make me contribute. I don't like just jumping in out of nowhere.
Hm, shit, you are actually right.. what do we do.. I would rather have a TPR check him and report back if he turns up as a scum. FRUSTRATING!

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 02:14 PM
I do not think anything. I said that Azuriae's situation is like Schroedinger's cat, if you get that analogy. I just personally believe that s/he is getting framed.

Why would that analogy apply to this particular situation, as opposed to literally every other situation in any game of mafia?

"Oh, we don't know if he's mafia or he's town. We won't know until we lynch him."

I've seen that in pretty much every game on this site and in the mod.

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 02:16 PM
I would love to lynch you for this, but this goes against my belief that you are an innocent who is really getting framed.


I do not think anything. I said that Azuriae's situation is like Schroedinger's cat, if you get that analogy. I just personally believe that s/he is getting framed.


Dear host,

would you like to have anything clarified, like the analogy?

Greetings,
NoctiZ


Hm, shit, you are actually right.. what do we do.. I would rather have a TPR check him and report back if he turns up as a scum. FRUSTRATING!

I'm getting a bad feeling about you.

-What makes you think he's innocent?
-Why are you trying to direct TPR night actions?
-What makes you so sure that there are even TPR in play?
-Why does the last post feel like buddying?

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:19 PM
Why would that analogy apply to this particular situation, as opposed to literally every other situation in any game of mafia?

"Oh, we don't know if he's mafia or he's town. We won't know until we lynch him."

I've seen that in pretty much every game on this site and in the mod.

The thing is that in this situation we don't know if he is getting framed or if he is trying to clear himself of suspicion by sending that PM.
Most of the time you still have something else to go on about why this person is scummy/town. In this case it's pretty much nothing, especially since it's Day 1. That's my point of view. Of course, his reaction on the FoS do seem scummy, but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt.

Anyway, this is why I think the analogy fits here as opposed to others (of course, people have been lynched for less, but nobody brought Schroedinger's cat up in these situations SOOO).

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 02:23 PM
I'm getting a bad feeling about you.

-What makes you think he's innocent?
-Why are you trying to direct TPR night actions?
-What makes you so sure that there are even TPR in play?
-Why does the last post feel like buddying?

NoctiZ knows what's up, that's why.
And really, why do you think I'm playing the pity card?
Everything I said was true. :)

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:23 PM
I'm getting a bad feeling about you.

-What makes you think he's innocent?
-Why are you trying to direct TPR night actions?
-What makes you so sure that there are even TPR in play?
-Why does the last post feel like buddying?
1. Gutfeeling. I had my first game a short while ago and I also seemed scummy, I feel like it's possible that Azuriae is in the same position I was.
2. So we do not mislynch. I am suggesting that TPR should go for Azuriae since there is suspicion on him, nothing more nothing less.
3. Do you think that there is NO TPR in the game? Damn unlikely.
4. I wanted to post my thought. I somehow tend to have a "buddy"-aura and anyone who I respond to with agreement instantly thinks I'm buddying with them. What the heck..

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:24 PM
NoctiZ knows what's up, that's why.
And really, why do you think I'm playing the pity card?
Everything I said was true. :)

OH MY GOD WHY ARE YOU BUDDYING just kidding, it's ok

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 02:24 PM
Schrodinger's cat. A cat is in a box with radioactive material. If this material decays, the cat is dead. If it does not, the cat is alive. The only way to check on the cat (lifting the box), would trigger a decay in the radioactive material thus killing the cat.

Therefore, you have no way of determining if the radioactive decay has gotten to toxic levels without necessarily bringing about the scenario.

Here, we have A as the cat. We can lynch him to determine his guilt, but that would necessarily kill him. There may be a third way to determine his innocence. However, even attempting such a manuever would require a) letting a possible arsonist out and b) exposing an investigative role to the arsonist and whoever else is in the game.

Much like the cat in the box, it the cat would starve, rendering the experiment a nullity if we did nothing. If we do nothing here, the likely harms would be to the town.

Does this match up with your interpretation of S's cat NoCtiZ?

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:29 PM
Schrodinger's cat. A cat is in a box with radioactive material. If this material decays, the cat is dead. If it does not, the cat is alive. The only way to check on the cat (lifting the box), would trigger a decay in the radioactive material thus killing the cat.

Therefore, you have no way of determining if the radioactive decay has gotten to toxic levels without necessarily bringing about the scenario.

Here, we have A as the cat. We can lynch him to determine his guilt, but that would necessarily kill him. There may be a third way to determine his innocence. However, even attempting such a manuever would require a) letting a possible arsonist out and b) exposing an investigative role to the arsonist and whoever else is in the game.

Much like the cat in the box, it the cat would starve, rendering the experiment a nullity if we did nothing. If we do nothing here, the likely harms would be to the town.

Does this match up with your interpretation of S's cat NoCtiZ?
I guess it does fit, yeah. I do not see a problem with b) though because the investigative role would only reveal if the result came back as something that confirms Azuriae as scum and that would be one scum less. I don't think people here are dumb enough to reveal with nothing. Just wanted to clarify. And what's so wrong with a)? If Azuriae is the Arsonist then that's good.

Anyway, the first two paragraphs are essentially all I wanted to say.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 02:38 PM
No. If A came back as town and he is damn near being lynched, the town invest role would announce to save a fellow town I hope. Furthermore, confirming his guilt or innocence allows the invest to turn onto more fruitful targets. That would also reveal the town investigative role to the invest.

The other option is the invest ignores A entirely. However, why would he do that if A was alive and at least somewhat scummy to a majority of players in the game?

That's why I am in favor of breaking the cat puzzle by lynching. We do have the bodies, I believe, to afford the accidental mislynch. Would we tomorrow? I don't know.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 02:42 PM
Nazzhoul, who do you think sent the messages?

Which scenario do you think is more likely Orpz is an executioner, A is the arsonist, or neither?

What roles do you feel are likely in the setup?

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:44 PM
No. If A came back as town and he is damn near being lynched, the town invest role would announce to save a fellow town I hope. Furthermore, confirming his guilt or innocence allows the invest to turn onto more fruitful targets. That would also reveal the town investigative role to the invest.

The other option is the invest ignores A entirely. However, why would he do that if A was alive and at least somewhat scummy to a majority of players in the game?

That's why I am in favor of breaking the cat puzzle by lynching. We do have the bodies, I believe, to afford the accidental mislynch. Would we tomorrow? I don't know.

The thing is that we could just not lynch if nobody mans up to reveal that A came back as town. Of course that wouldn't clear him 100%, but me directing the TPR to check him would give us enough reason to believe that A is innocent if nobody reveals in my eyes. Lynch him if you want, but I'm not gonna do it as of right now.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 02:48 PM
The thing is that we could just not lynch if nobody mans up to reveal that A came back as town. Of course that wouldn't clear him 100%, but me directing the TPR to check him would give us enough reason to believe that A is innocent if nobody reveals in my eyes. Lynch him if you want, but I'm not gonna do it as of right now.

Do you really think it's worth potentionaly waste an invest on a confirmed Town?
Think about it.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:52 PM
Do you really think it's worth potentionaly waste an invest on a confirmed Town?
Think about it.

NICE TRY SCUM

Azuriae

You struck a nerve right there. Bad move.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 02:57 PM
NICE TRY SCUM

Azuriae

You struck a nerve right there. Bad move.

Oh wow.
Are you even trying?

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 02:59 PM
Oh wow.
Are you even trying?

Yeah. Are you? Because you seem to make it worse.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 03:06 PM
Yeah. Are you? Because you seem to make it worse.

Should I? You guys are not worth my time.
In your eyes I am already scum; what can I do about it?
Claim? Not going to happen.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:09 PM
Should I? You guys are not worth my time.
In your eyes I am already scum; what can I do about it?
Claim? Not going to happen.

Then it's your fault since Day 1 lynches are more often than not about pressuring until you get a role claim. Not everytime, but often.
You already made yourself seem scummy with your replies to the FoS on you. Sorry 'bout that, no hard feelings.

Bunny
March 16th, 2013, 03:11 PM
The first one was. The third one wasn't. It was stupid immature stuff.





Why are you so convinced? I have only made a few posts so far. ;)

Because others are more scummy To me currently.

Slaol
March 16th, 2013, 03:11 PM
SOMETHING 3 HOURSISH UNTIL DAY ENDS!!!

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 03:11 PM
Then it's your fault since Day 1 lynches are more often than not about pressuring until you get a role claim. Not everytime, but often.
You already made yourself seem scummy with your replies to the FoS on you. Sorry 'bout that, no hard feelings.

Then I guess I have lot to learn about FMs.
I fail to see how what I said was scummy, but alright!

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:14 PM
Then I guess I have lot to learn about FMs.
I fail to see how what I said was scummy, but alright!

For one, you are manipulative by calling yourself a "confirmed Town". The last time someone pulled that he was the Mass murderer (and I correctly called him out on his manipulation[HI ORPZ]).
Combined with this post:

Oh come on guys!
This is my first S-FM.
Let me have some fun!

You guys have no evidence.
It gives me enough reason to believe you are scum.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 03:14 PM
For one, you are manipulative by calling yourself a "confirmed Town". The last time someone pulled that he was the Mass murderer (and I correctly called him out on his manipulation[HI ORPZ]).
Combined with this post:

It gives me enough reason to believe you are scum.


It's because I obviously am. You guys just fail to see it. I'm not going to hold your hands through this FM.
All I did was state the truth. Is it not?

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:16 PM
It's because I obviously am. You guys just fail to see it. I'm not going to hold your hands through this FM.
All I did was state the truth. Is it not?

It's not to us, which is why you should not say like it is. Try to see it from our perspective, not from yours seeing us how we see you. Get it?

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 03:17 PM
Ok, we have a limited amount of time. RVLG and hopefully Nazzhoul are on. Maybe we can slow the thread down and give them a chance to get in. If they both vote, maybe we can catch the arsonist today.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 03:18 PM
It's not to us, which is why you should not say like it is. Try to see it from our perspective, not from yours seeing us how we see you. Get it?

Problem is, you should see it.
You have just failed to do so.

I don't think I want to bother with this.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 03:20 PM
Look, if I am wrong about you, I'd like to be shown where. It's pretty obvious I'm not as seasoned as the others. Yet, these "conclusions" of it's obvious are rarely accurate but rather scum. Walk me through it in one long post. Suppose I have decent logic capabilities but I am missing facts, but you do not know which ones.

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 03:21 PM
Just saying, in about 30min to a hour I'm going to cinema.
I'm back.




http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/18108-S-FM-63-What?p=292097&viewfull=1#post292097




THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE HAS BEEN SENT TO TheDarkestLight:
HELLO TheDarkestLight

YOU HAVE BEEN DOUSED BY ME. I CAN IGNITE YOU ANYTIME I WANT.
BUT IF YOU REALLY VALUE YOUR LIFE, THE DO THE FOLLOWING ON DAY 1:

YOU MUST CLAIM YOURSELF AS SHERIFF AND DECLARE THAT Azuriae IS CONFIRMED MAFIA. FURTHERMORE, YOU MUST ACTUALLY VOTE AGAINST Azuriae.

IF YOU DO EXACTLY AS I SAID, THEN YOU WON'T BE INCINERATED ON DAY 1. WHAT IS FORBIDDEN:

IF YOU WON'T DO WHAT I SAID (FRAMING Azuriae), THEN YOU WILL BE INCINERATED.
IF YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE DOUSED, THEY YOU WILL BE IMMEDIATELY INCINERATED.
IF YOU WON'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL DURING DAY 1, YOU WILL BE INCINERATED.
ALSO, IF YOU TRY TO OFFEND Bunny, YOU WILL BE INCINERATED.

GOT IT?

Lol, this is such BS to read.

1. Threatening to burn at day, when Arso will be revealed and lose for that action.
2. Why would someone claim Sheriff Day 2, in this setup?
3. Offend Bunny and incinerate? Okay. TDL, say that Bunny is a bitch. *DARE*

With this message, it's too weird. What if it's a Drug Dealer trying to give illusion of an Arsonist?

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 03:21 PM
Look, if I am wrong about you, I'd like to be shown where. It's pretty obvious I'm not as seasoned as the others. Yet, these "conclusions" of it's obvious are rarely accurate but rather scum. Walk me through it in one long post. Suppose I have decent logic capabilities but I am missing facts, but you do not know which ones.



I'm not going to hold your hands through this FM.


:)

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:25 PM
:)

You do know from your FMs that you have to defend yourself by showing us your posts where it should prove that you are innocent, not the other way round, right?

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 03:27 PM
Nazzhoul, who do you think sent the messages?

Which scenario do you think is more likely Orpz is an executioner, A is the arsonist, or neither?

What roles do you feel are likely in the setup?

I assume the arsonist sent the message that appears to be from him. No idea who sent the pope/yoda one. I have a theory on Azuriae's third one, but I'll need time to check that out.

The pope/yoda one was probably just fishing for a reaction.
The Arsonist one is interesting to say the least. I personally find it odd that TDL only revealed that he'd received the PM AFTER other people revealed that they somehow received it. If he was town, I would think he'd reveal the message just so we'd have information to go on. He may have intended to keep it hidden in the hopes of staying alive and not drawing attention to himself, but the arsonist sending the message to other people could have forced his hand. Just speculation though.

Roles? Hmm... Well, I had this hunch that Slaol put only town roles in the game just to troll us (I was even PMing him during night 1 as to what would happen in that case), but TDL being doused kinda gets rid of that assumption. Having arson as the only evil role makes little sense unless town has no investigative roles.
We could have a killer that was roleblocked, an unlucky MM, a cult, or a myriad of evil support.
It's too early to speculate all that much about roles imo. Anything could be true. I'm not expecting Slaol to go by any standards of balance except his own.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 03:28 PM
RLVG. I agree the message is totally wierd. Plus, why send it to A? Rather, I think it is an attempt by A to make himself look innocent.

Hmm, a drug dealer would imply that mafia is in the game. Yet, why did the mafia not kill? Did the drug dealer give false feedback to TDL in the event the doctor healed him?

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 03:36 PM
RLVG. I agree the message is totally wierd. Plus, why send it to A? Rather, I think it is an attempt by A to make himself look innocent.

Hmm, a drug dealer would imply that mafia is in the game. Yet, why did the mafia not kill? Did the drug dealer give false feedback to TDL in the event the doctor healed him?

Oh please. Do you seriously think I'm an immature troll that would send such messages? (And to himself, at that!)

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 03:40 PM
Oh please. Do you seriously think I'm an immature troll that would send such messages? (And to himself, at that!)

Consider that all of us may become a troll at some point for reactions or et cetera, it would not surprise me.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 03:41 PM
Obviously, I don't think you sent yourself the message. I think you sent the message to Bunny and TDL, then you CLAIMED to have received the message. Sending a message to you informing you of their frame is either a) the height of arrogance, b) the height of silliness or c) totally faked. C seems the most likely option. You likely faked the message to yourself in order to "prove" your innocence. While I admit, the troll option (b) is possible. Yet, I just don't find it likely here. Is there another scenario I am overlooking?

Guys, I have to go in 15 or so minutes and will have sporadic internet. I'm having dinner with the in-laws.

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 03:42 PM
RLVG. I agree the message is totally wierd. Plus, why send it to A? Rather, I think it is an attempt by A to make himself look innocent.

Hmm, a drug dealer would imply that mafia is in the game. Yet, why did the mafia not kill? Did the drug dealer give false feedback to TDL in the event the doctor healed him?

On a side note, could you not use just the letter "A" when referring to Azuriae? It's a bit confusing. Thanks.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 03:43 PM
Alright, would some other shorthand be better? Azuriae does not exactly have a simple name to spell. I'll try to type his name out but it dramatically slows me down.

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 03:44 PM
Alright, would some other shorthand be better? Azuriae does not exactly have a simple name to spell. I'll try to type his name out but it dramatically slows me down.

AZURE
Azuriae
azurIAe

Lol easy.

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 03:45 PM
I did not expect Azuriae to scumslip so much

@Titus, I propose "Azu"

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 03:47 PM
Az works, I guess. But Azuriae isn't that difficult to type.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 03:48 PM
People usually call me Azu/Azzy/Azure. So whatever you guys pick.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 03:49 PM
Obviously, the keyboard letters are not that difficult to type, his name is hard to remember how to spell. However, people tend not to like it if you make a typo on their name. So Azu will be his nickname in my posts.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:49 PM
I have my reason which I decide to keep to myself.

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 03:51 PM
I have my reason which I decide to keep to myself.

Does that reason involve you two being scum together?

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 03:52 PM
I have my reason which I decide to keep to myself.

Thanks for believing me.
At least someone here knows how to read.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:54 PM
Does that reason involve you two being scum together?

I wouldn't have pressured him if that were the case.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 03:55 PM
That is so tempting to send you a PM NoCtiZ to ask for your reasoning. I know you want to keep it private though. I really don't want to be an idiot twice in one game and overlook something so "obvious". I just don't see it though.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 03:59 PM
That is so tempting to send you a PM NoCtiZ to ask for your reasoning. I know you want to keep it private though. I really don't want to be an idiot twice in one game and overlook something so "obvious". I just don't see it though.

Come on, it's NoctiZ, only the first and last letter is capitalized.

It's not something you can necessarily see..

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 04:02 PM
See why I like nicknames now? I would have gone with N but there are two players with N. Sorry NoctiZ.

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 04:03 PM
See why I like nicknames now? I would have gone with N but there are two players with N. Sorry NoctiZ.

I guess RLVG is easy enough to remember, so I won't have that issue.

Titus
March 16th, 2013, 04:04 PM
Yeah but half the time I type your letters backwards as RVLG or something. :S Really, I think no one should take anything like that personal. I hope they don't.

On that note, I'm going to go and leave for dinner with my in-laws.

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 04:05 PM
For one, you are manipulative by calling yourself a "confirmed Town". The last time someone pulled that he was the Mass murderer (and I correctly called him out on his manipulation[HI ORPZ]).


sup noctiz



I have my reason which I decide to keep to myself.

did he role claim over PM?

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 04:06 PM
sup noctiz


did he role claim over PM?

And what if I did?

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:07 PM
sup noctiz


did he role claim over PM?

He did send a PM, whatever was said is not something I will disclose. Not yet atleast.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 04:09 PM
He did send a PM, whatever was said is not something I will disclose. Not yet atleast.

I did not send a PM.
Whoever sent this is framing me/whatever.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 04:09 PM
I just got your
''Yes that would be fine.''
PM.

But I haven't sent anything.

creedkingsx
March 16th, 2013, 04:11 PM
hurkdunkerdoo

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 04:12 PM
Don't assume the sender is always the person sending, you can sign as anyone. Also Azuriae, I sent the "vagina boob" PM.

But yeah, interesting, someone requested Noctiz to do a specific action to which he agreed...
I'm going to rule out that it's a night action because Slaol received all night actions while Noctiz was sleeping.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 04:13 PM
Don't assume the sender is always the person sending, you can sign as anyone. Also Azuriae, I sent the "vagina boob" PM.

But yeah, interesting, someone requested Noctiz to do a specific action to which he agreed...
I'm going to rule out that it's a night action because Slaol received all night actions while Noctiz was sleeping.

You did?
Why would you do that?

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 04:13 PM
You did?
Why would you do that?

I was testing the PM mechanic since I haven't done it before

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 04:16 PM
Don't assume the sender is always the person sending, you can sign as anyone. Also Azuriae, I sent the "vagina boob" PM.

But yeah, interesting, someone requested Noctiz to do a specific action to which he agreed...
I'm going to rule out that it's a night action because Slaol received all night actions while Noctiz was sleeping.

Sign as anyone? That's stupid. I didn't know of this, so I'm going to assume you were the one who sendt it for knowing it.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:18 PM
So you say you didn't. Interesting. I know that the sender stated is not always true, I just thought the content fit to the stuff Azu wrote. Not important right now anyway.

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 04:19 PM
Sign as anyone? That's stupid. I didn't know of this, so I'm going to assume you were the one who sendt it for knowing it.

I read the setup shortly after I replaced Brendan, and then I went and tested it on Azuriae afterwards (the Vagina Boob PM)

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 04:19 PM
So you say you didn't. Interesting. I know that the sender stated is not always true, I just thought the content fit to the stuff Azu wrote. Not important right now anyway.

Tell us what the PM said.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:20 PM
I'm going to rule out that it's a night action because Slaol received all night actions while Noctiz was sleeping.

OR DID I JUST SAY THAT SO I WOULD SEEM PRO-TOWN?! BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 04:21 PM
OR DID I JUST SAY THAT SO I WOULD SEEM PRO-TOWN?! BWHAHAHAHAHA!

:wondering:

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:22 PM
:wondering:

Sorry, I just like to make everyone think twice about stuff.



Tell us what the PM said.
Not yet.

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 04:25 PM
Not yet.

Lol this sick WIFOM.

1. Azure really sendt a PM with his whatever stuff.
2. NoctiZ faked receiving a message.
3. There's a person who knows how to pull off gambits.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:29 PM
Lol this sick WIFOM.

1. Azure really sendt a PM with his whatever stuff.
2. NoctiZ faked receiving a message.
3. There's a person who knows how to pull off gambits.

Is that a compliment? :love:

Slaol
March 16th, 2013, 04:30 PM
Lol this sick WIFOM.

1. Azure really sendt a PM with his whatever stuff.
2. NoctiZ faked receiving a message.
3. There's a person who knows how to pull off gambits.
4. Host uses PM system to troll game, and everyone is really Amnesiac

FIX'd!

Gerik
March 16th, 2013, 04:31 PM
hai

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 04:32 PM
FIX'd!

http://boards.420chan.org/616/src/1360009370419.png

Slaol
March 16th, 2013, 04:58 PM
ABOUT ! HOUR UNTIL DAY ENDS111111111

Gerik
March 16th, 2013, 05:05 PM
ABOUT ! HOUR UNTIL DAY ENDS111111111

9720

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 05:12 PM
Did anyone else receive a PM from anonymous just now? I'd like the sender to actually reveal your info, as your message is having the opposite effect that you intend due to your phrasing (I think that you're scum). Stay anonymous, but reveal your role please.

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 05:13 PM
And who's the ass that sent the Taken monologue?

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 05:16 PM
I received two messages, Anonymous and Journalist. :huh:
Journalist is a Night thing.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 05:17 PM
I received two messages, Anonymous and Journalist. :huh:
Journalist is a Night thing.
You mean someone signed as Journalist?

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 05:18 PM
You mean someone signed as Journalist?

Yeah, and I received a 2nd Anonymous message. Ransom bullshit.

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 05:19 PM
Care to share what they were?
I did not get either.

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 05:23 PM
One of my messages was literally the Taken monologue.
The other was mostly in caps lock, but the first word of each sentence was not capitalized. I do not wish to reveal its contents at this point.
Here is the last line:
"wHAT yOU dO wITH tHIS iS uP tO yOU dO nOT fUCK tHIS uP."

Azuriae
March 16th, 2013, 05:24 PM
One of my messages was literally the Taken monologue.
The other was mostly in caps lock, but the first word of each sentence was not capitalized. I do not wish to reveal its contents at this point.
Here is the last line:
"wHAT yOU dO wITH tHIS iS uP tO yOU dO nOT fUCK tHIS uP."

So you have information that we do not?
Any idea why YOU in particular got this message (And possibly RLVG if you guys are talking about the same thing?)

Gerik
March 16th, 2013, 05:25 PM
One of my messages was literally the Taken monologue.
The other was mostly in caps lock, but the first word of each sentence was not capitalized. I do not wish to reveal its contents at this point.
Here is the last line:
"wHAT yOU dO wITH tHIS iS uP tO yOU dO nOT fUCK tHIS uP."

I also received these.

NoctiZ
March 16th, 2013, 05:26 PM
RLVG, some important information in the Journalist PM?

I have received the ones Nazzhoul is talking about.

Orpz
March 16th, 2013, 05:26 PM
I also received them and I feel a strong urge to fuck it up to mess with the sender but I shall restrain

RLVG
March 16th, 2013, 05:27 PM
To RLVG from Journalist

1. Please provide what you think is the role list and place each player for the role you think they are.
2. What is your take on all the private messages? Who do you think is sending them and the meaning of them.
3. Who did you target night one?
4. Who are you targetting night two?



To RLVG from Anonymous (Interesting, I'll do the last part)

wHAT yOU dO wITH tHIS iS uP tO yOU dO nOT fUCK tHIS uP.



To RLVG from Anonymous

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

Slaol
March 16th, 2013, 05:28 PM
DAY ENDS IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES!!!

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 05:29 PM
So you have information that we do not?
Any idea why YOU in particular got this message (And possibly RLVG if you guys are talking about the same thing?)

It implied that it had multiple recipients.
Do YOU have any idea why YOU in particular got the Arson message?

Nazzhoul
March 16th, 2013, 05:33 PM
Everyone who received the PM, do you trust Anonymous?