Night 1

[FM Kaku]

Hey everyone, I figured we should get this discussion started.

I'm reposting Rob Lucci's notes list here just for easy reference. Preliminarily, I'm thinking I should NOT ventriloquist Jewelry Bonney because she can just not interview people to "prove" that she was ventriloquisted.

Rob Lucci
FM Bartholomew Kuma
FM Basil Hawkins
FM Big Mom
FM Black Leg Sanji
FM Blackbeard
FM Boa Hancock
FM Buggy the Clown
FM Capone Bege
FM Cat Thief Nami

Kalifa
FM Crocodile
FM Cyborg Franky
FM Don Krieg
FM Donquixote Doflamingo
FM Dracule Mihawk
FM Eustass Kidd
FM Fire Fist Ace
FM Foxy the Silver Fox
FM Gecko Moria

Kaku
FM Hody Jones
FM Jewelry Bonney
FM Jimbei
FM Marco the Phoenix
FM Nico Robin
FM Red Haired Shanks
FM Roronoa Zoro
FM Scratchmen Apoo
FM Sogeking

Blueno
FM Soul King Brook
FM Straw Hat Luffy
FM Tony Tony Chopper
FM Trafalgar Law
FM Urouge
FM Wet Haired Caribou
FM Whitebeard
FM X Drake

[FM Kalifa]

To start off, here are all the profile links for easier note-taking:

FM Bartholomew Kuma (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8992)
FM Basil Hawkins (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9008)
FM Big Mom (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8995)
FM Black Leg Sanji (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8991)
FM Blackbeard (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9001)
FM Boa Hancock (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8986)
FM Buggy the Clown (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8978)
FM Capone Bege (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8975)
FM Cat Thief Nami (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8976)
FM Crocodile (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8994)
FM Cyborg Franky (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8984)
FM Don Krieg (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8987)
FM Donquixote Doflamingo (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9006)
FM Dracule Mihawk (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9005)
FM Eustass Kidd (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8981)
FM Fire Fist Ace (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8982)
FM Foxy the Silver Fox (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8999)
FM Gecko Moria (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8998)
FM Hody Jones (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8988)
FM Jewelry Bonney (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9007)
FM Jimbei (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9002)
FM Marco the Phoenix (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8979)
FM Nico Robin (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8977)
FM Red Haired Shanks (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9004)
FM Roronoa Zoro (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8996)
FM Scratchmen Apoo (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8990)
FM Sogeking (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8983)
FM Soul King Brook (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9003)
FM Straw Hat Luffy (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8997)
FM Tony Tony Chopper (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/9000)
FM Trafalgar Law (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8993)
FM Urouge (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8980)
FM Wet Haired Caribou (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8985)
FM Whitebeard (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8974)
FM X Drake (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/8989)

[FM Kalifa]

Also, I can't believe we didn't do this night 0, but we should do it now- establish a day code for being jailed. Since I'm pretty sure jailing blocks a person off from their night chat, we'll otherwise have no way of knowing if a person is jailed or simply busy/forgetful. None of you seem like the kind of people who would forget, but just in case, I think we should have a jail code.

The easiest one would simply be to make the first letter of your first post (the day after you're jailed) a 'J'. If we choose this as our code, I recommend the usage of a phrase like "just got caught up on everything" or something similar. Obviously we'll only be looking for it if one or more of us didn't talk in the night chat (and even then, only ON the people that didn't talk), so don't be afraid to use 'j' at the beginning of your post if you weren't jailed.

[FM Kalifa]

Oh shit. I was just about to post my ventrilo/disguiser code and I realized I fucked it up and left out a letter in the encryption, meaning my word is 9 letters, but my code is only 8... Fuck.

I'm going to try to think of a way to salvage this. While I do so, I recommend the rest of you post your codes in case you get bussed in the way of our ventriloquist.

[FM Kalifa]

Some preliminary notes:

People likely to have night chats (in no particular order):
Cat Thief Nami
Gecko Moria
Sogeking
Soul King Brook

Possible Pirates:
Boa Hancock
Cyborg Franky
Jewelry Bonney (only if she's disguiser)

Marines:
Urogue
Wet Haired Caribou

Rebels:
Fire Fist Ace

Likely PRs:
Crocodile (replaced halfway through day 1. Probably has some sort of night action)

Those are just some notes I made during the day. When I have more time, I'll go back through and pick out the details of why I placed those people on the list in that way.

[FM Kalifa]

I have to go for a while now, but here's my code/solution:

Hurricane
Comeatmec
kjewjnsh

If you can come up with a way to make the solution a different word or something, great. Otherwise, I might have to claim ventrilo'd tomorrow. Which would unfortunately mean that our ventrilo wouldn't get to act tonight, but could have the bonus of making the town trust me more.

Also another fun ventrilo strategy (after my predicament is fixed) is if we can find a way to solve the codes (maybe an online program or something) we can really fuck people over.

[FM Kalifa]

I have to go for a while now, but here's my code/solution:

Hurricane
Comeatmec
kjewjnsh

First, see if you can spot the error. Then tell me if you know an easy way to fix it. And if you can't, and I don't come up with anything, then ventrilo on me. Or don't take an action and I'll pretend. Depending on the host's answer to this question:

Can the ventriloquist choose to let its target speak?

[FM Rob Lucci]

Hm, do I understand you right that you posted this as your code: kjewjnsh?

I would suggest to make your orginal word "Hurrican" and make your key "Comeatme". You can blame it on you not knowing how to spell Hurricane correctly or something if that is the problem you are having.

[FM Kalifa]

Hm, do I understand you right that you posted this as your code: kjewjnsh?

I would suggest to make your orginal word "Hurrican" and make your key "Comeatme". You can blame it on you not knowing how to spell Hurricane correctly or something if that is the problem you are having.

The problem is that I didn't leave out the e. I left out the c. I could mention this tomorrow, but I'm worried they'll see it as me being ventrilo'd which would be fine unless the person who is really ventrilo'd has the chance to counter claim.

[FM Kalifa]

I just think my easiest claim is ventrilo'd for tomorrow. If you have the ability to permit me to talk, you should vent me and let me talk, that way a lookout/detective will still see you visit me, but I can still talk. And don't worry, I'm pretty good at changing my speaking pattern.

If you can't simply permit me to do it, there is another way to allow me to talk, but it's risky. We could create a code for you to give me the new password to the account during the day. I've already started thinking about it, and it would involve the first letter of each word in your post. But I'm still working on a way to signify capital letters and numbers without making it really obvious.

The other option is you simply talk for me. I'm hoping the Pirates and Marines investigate one of us tonight so we can establish contact with them and we won't have to worry about being killed by them at night.

[FM Kalifa]

I am strongly considering just telling them that I fucked up the spelling, but it WILL place suspicion on me and possibly get me lynched. I'd like everyone to weigh in on this. Also be sure to post your notes and such.

[FM Kalifa]

Still no posts from Blueno. We should assume he has been jailed until he posts.

[FM Rob Lucci]

I would consider telling the truth, but I do see the arguments against that. For one, your excuse may seem like a disguiser defending himself. I do not think that everyone would really think that, but it's a possibility.
I think that even if they assume you are the target of the Ventrilo, what is bad about that? You told them the truth and if they choose to believe something they thought up themselves, jokes on them. Besides, if they think you were really ventrilo'd, then that lessens the suspicion of you being CP9, atleast for the day. But that doesn't matter much, you do not seem like CP9 currently anyway.


I will post my mental notes on the players. I was not able to do an extensive notelist because of my lack of freetime, but I do hope that my mental notes are useful.

FM Bartholomew Kuma
hard to tell, lurked too much

FM Big Mom
if I am right about my guess then I know his COM. A great player, we should get rid of him early or otherwise he will be one of the people who can destroy us if he is an enemy. The problem is that he has posted very much during the day and may be a target of a BG or Doctor. I need your thoughts on that one. Also I'm not sure if I can reveal my guess on his COM, so I will keep quiet for now.

FM Blackbeard
A bit lurky, seemed to be more active after pointing out his lurkiness IIRC

FM Boa Hancock
seems scummy, not as pro-town as should've been expected. Potential ally of ours.

FM Buggy the Clown
has not contributed much to the scumhunt, mostly posts without real help

FM Capone Bege
hard to say, he has been active but I'm not sure if he contributed much and I'm not a good reader in this phase of the game.

FM Cat Thief Nami
only one post shortly after the reset

[FM Rob Lucci]

Who will be sent to kill the target of our choice?

[FM Ferengi]

Infiltrator can kill, other roles can either kill or use their specific action. The KPN is 1 per team, similar to Mafia.

[FM Kaku]

I am strongly considering just telling them that I fucked up the spelling, but it WILL place suspicion on me and possibly get me lynched. I'd like everyone to weigh in on this. Also be sure to post your notes and such.

I don't really see what the big deal is lol. Just tell them you messed up the spelling because even with "hurrican" it's pretty obvious that your code is legit.

[FM Rob Lucci]

I don't really see what the big deal is lol. Just tell them you messed up the spelling because even with "hurrican" it's pretty obvious that your code is legit.

It's more like "Hurriane" if I understood him right. But I say tell the truth.

[FM Kalifa]

I would consider telling the truth, but I do see the arguments against that. For one, your excuse may seem like a disguiser defending himself. I do not think that everyone would really think that, but it's a possibility.
I think that even if they assume you are the target of the Ventrilo, what is bad about that? You told them the truth and if they choose to believe something they thought up themselves, jokes on them.

The problem is if they find out who is really ventrilo'd. There can only be one ventriloquist, so then I'll look suspicious. I might just tell the truth. It really was a mistake...

But just in case I'll repeat my earlier question: Can ventriloquist allow his target to speak?

Also I've been debating between using my ability to try to find allies (witch x on to y, y dies, x probably a killer) or to screw up town (this guy might be doc, witch him onto lurker). Discuss.

[FM Rob Lucci]

The problem is if they find out who is really ventrilo'd. There can only be one ventriloquist, so then I'll look suspicious. I might just tell the truth. It really was a mistake...

But just in case I'll repeat my earlier question: Can ventriloquist allow his target to speak?

Also I've been debating between using my ability to try to find allies (witch x on to y, y dies, x probably a killer) or to screw up town (this guy might be doc, witch him onto lurker). Discuss.

For this night I thought about checking out Trafalgar Law. As someone said, Trafalgar is awfully suspicious while talking about the neutral killer. The killer is likely an Arsonist like he said, because his previous role was Arsonist, I guess.

Not sure who else to target this night as Witch. But yeah, if we can find out some town rules, then we can redirect them to fuck with the town.

[FM Kalifa]

Ok. I'll just tell them I fucked it up. It really was a mistake and I think I can make a convincing enough case to save me from lynch. And if I'm wrong and they lynch me, well... It's all your fault (Rob and Kaku)! :D

So, other things... The thing about Trafalgar is that if he is the neutral killer, and the neutral killer is arsonist, we won't know if I found him unless the target claims. Plus, I don't think it's that useful to find him. We can't plan very well with him. The best I could do would be ensuring that he doesn't douse one of us (give or take a bus driver) and I don't think that would be an optimal use of my abilities. There are a few key roles that I would like to be able to find and control:

blacksmith- gives us either an extra kpn or protection. Both suit us pretty well since our allies might mistakenly attack us and extra kills is never bad.

Pirate Captain- allows me to direct their kill away from us

Doctor- Will not only force him to heal us but will prevent him from healing town

Rebel Leader- fuck up their recruits. Force them to recuit a couple random people and then our infiltrator. They'll be suspicious of everyone in their own night chat and destroy themselves from the inside with our infiltrator telling us about all of their plans.

Rebel Scout- ruin their ability to gain information

[FM Kaku]

My biggest Pirate captain suspect is Sogeking just based on meta. I'm pretty sure he is a PR based on meta and like you said, he got an avatar early. I'm a bit busy right now but I'll post more in a bit.

Also what do you think of me venting Big Mom and claiming doc if I ever get discovered? We can also have whoever I vent claim feedback like an extension of the DD.

[FM Kalifa]

My biggest Pirate captain suspect is Sogeking just based on meta. I'm pretty sure he is a PR based on meta and like you said, he got an avatar early. I'm a bit busy right now but I'll post more in a bit.

Also what do you think of me venting Big Mom and claiming doc if I ever get discovered? We can also have whoever I vent claim feedback like an extension of the DD.

I like the vent/drug dealer hybrid plan. It will confuse the fuck out of the town. I suggest not claiming feedback every time you vent though, or they will be more likely to figure it out. Also, what do you think about venting a single target consistently until they die (thus not giving them a chance to ever claim they were vented) versus switching every day?

Also, the host still has not made any mention of our usage of each others' COMs, and you're the only one who hasn't claimed yours. So, if you wouldn't mind... :)

Can we discuss the COMs of players outside this night chat?

[FM Kalifa]

Can we (in this night chat) discuss the COMs of players that are not members of this night chat?

Edited for clarity. Obviously we can't during the day.

[FM Kaku]

I like the vent/drug dealer hybrid plan. It will confuse the fuck out of the town. I suggest not claiming feedback every time you vent though, or they will be more likely to figure it out. Also, what do you think about venting a single target consistently until they die (thus not giving them a chance to ever claim they were vented) versus switching every day?

Also, the host still has not made any mention of our usage of each others' COMs, and you're the only one who hasn't claimed yours. So, if you wouldn't mind... :)

Can we discuss the COMs of players outside this night chat?

I like the idea of venting someone until they die as opposed to switching targets.

Try to guess my COM!

[FM Kaku]

:|

[FM Kalifa]

:|

If this is supposed to be a hint, I'm going to go ahead and guess Damus.

[FM Kaku]

No it's a red herring.

Hint: my username is related to eternal sunshine of the spotless mind

[FM Kalifa]

No it's a red herring.

Hint: my username is related to eternal sunshine of the spotless mind

I haven't seen that movie, but I just looked up the names of the characters on wikipedia and you said you've been travelling recently...

CLEMENTINE?!

[FM Blueno]

Alright I'm back, I'm not even supposed to be on yet I'm a badass and I'm breaking the rules.
Who shall I give my Colombian Bam Bam to?

[FM Kaku]

Alright I'm back, I'm not even supposed to be on yet I'm a badass and I'm breaking the rules.
Who shall I give my Colombian Bam Bam to?

Yay! You're not jailed! What do you think about my idea of dealing fake role blocks?

[FM Kalifa]

Yay! You're not jailed! What do you think about my idea of dealing fake role blocks?

You didn't tell me if I was right, but looking back, I can't believe I didn't notice sooner. I like the fake role block plan. The only problem is if a person who claims the feedback was watched by a lookout, we might get negative attention from the marines if they think he's a consort. But I suppose we don't even know if lookout is in the game, so I guess the odds are on our side.

[FM Blueno]

Yay! You're not jailed! What do you think about my idea of dealing fake role blocks?

Maybe that is how I'm breaking the rules, posting in here while I'm jailed. Yet in all seriousness I'm not jailed, unless the host fucked up and didn't tell me.

Anyway dealing fake RBs might mess up, if we drug a BD into thinking he's RBed, and then the people he targeted that night claim they were bussed, he's gonnna easily put two and two together.

[FM Kalifa]

Maybe that is how I'm breaking the rules, posting in here while I'm jailed. Yet in all seriousness I'm not jailed, unless the host fucked up and didn't tell me.

Anyway dealing fake RBs might mess up, if we drug a BD into thinking he's RBed, and then the people he targeted that night claim they were bussed, he's gonnna easily put two and two together.

True, but what if you target a blacksmith, doctor, or arsonist? could be interesting, no? Although I admit those may be the only roles that won't know immediately that it was a fake role block.

[FM Blueno]

True, but what if you target a blacksmith, doctor, or arsonist? could be interesting, no? Although I admit those may be the only roles that won't know immediately that it was a fake role block.

You need to remember that the Arson, and other neutral killers win with us, as long as the Town loses. It could be extremelly good getting them on our side if at all possible.

[FM Blueno]

anyway i gotta go again, ill be on in the morning.

[FM Kalifa]

You need to remember that the Arson, and other neutral killers win with us, as long as the Town loses. It could be extremelly good getting them on our side if at all possible.

Can they, though? The setup says "most neutrals are not friendly to town, but faction members should be wary of them as well". Don't get me wrong, them killing town is nice, but they can kill us too. And they probably won't care too much if they do. And I was thinking if an arsonist thinks he was rbed he probably will put off igniting for longer which could buy us time to kill him before he potentially ignites some of us.

[FM Kalifa]

But after I mentioned that list, I realized most PRs will be able to immediately know it was a fake block. Killing roles might be fooled into believing someone else happened to attack their target, but if all kills are accounted for, it will be easy enough to figure out.

What about fake witching? It has similar drawbacks to the roleblock, but some of the same scenarios (ie. correct target claiming the feedback) could be explained by the presence of a bus driver. It could also make roles like blacksmiths wary that they may have been found and might be skittish during the day or might suddenly be more vocal about the necessity to find the witch. Perhaps even claiming their role since they believe they've already been found.

[FM Ferengi]

Can we leave Night Actions in this thread?

Yes, but only if you use red color to mark your night actions.

[FM Kalifa]

Of course, a fake douse or charge tonight could also be amusing since I'm fairly sure only one of those two roles will be in the game, and it could send the town on a witch hunt for a role that doesn't exist.

[FM Kalifa]

Can we (in this night chat) discuss the COMs of players that are not members of this night chat?

Host please answer this

[FM Ferengi]

You should not. Get to know each other from a different side. If you could learn COMs of your teammates, then you could possibly deduce COM identites of other players, which is something I don't want to see. We do NOT want to use COM names as part of metagame.

[FM Kalifa]

You should not. Get to know each other from a different side. If you could learn COMs of your teammates, then you could possibly deduce COM identites of other players, which is something I don't want to see. We do NOT want to use COM names as part of metagame.

Ok. Teammates only. Gotcha'.

[FM Kaku]

Notes:

FM Hody Jones
#250 spam
#576 people should ask me questions
#621 bonney claiming journalist only makes sense as a journalist, cit drawing a night kill, or infiltrator trying to get recruited. I don’t like lynch all lurkers so we should no-lynch
#626 pretends to reply to questions but is not very thorough
#636 analysis of urouge’s posts. Urouge claims marine?
#638 disguiser code Y=(283/220)X
#639 explains disguiser codes to cyborg franky
#650 wants to policy lynch eustass kidd, reads citizen on eustass kidd
#668 analysis of wet haired caribou’s posts, reads town or marine or pirate/cp9 but not rebel.
#692 wants caribou to post thoughts on factions so you can compare them to previous days

Conclusion: mid/low poster, probably town?

FM Jewelry Bonney
#174 “my faction didn’t utilize their night chat very well last night” is not a scumtell
#178 caribou should repeat what he said on day 1 about factions
#219 I feel like I’m going to die early
#222 I agree with urouge we shouldn’t choose alliances
#224 “didn’t talk at night” isn’t a scumslip.
#227 asks big mom about his vote on don king
#232 my “slip” was just a mistake
#234 let’s see who else jumps on my bandwagon
#237 vote FM Whitebeard
#240 I’m not a jester
#245 unvote
#247 it was an honest mistake
#252 it’s hard to keep track of stuff and the night chat comment is bad grounds for a scumtell
#263 please explain buddying
#265 Straw hat Luffy doesn’t believe I made an honest mistake
#267 I’ll claim if my votes get high enough. I don’t want a towny like myself to get lynched.
#278 what is buddying?
#281 I was red haired shanks previously and was trying for veteran wifom
#286 I’m not roleclaiming just yet.
#289 I’m usually targeted to die in big FMs
#293 everyone who voted me will be under suspicion of pirate/cp9
#295 @ Donquixote Doflamingo I gave a good defense
#298 3 more votes and I’ll claim
#299 Donquixote Doflamingo is high on my scum list
#304 not roleclaiming yet
#305 I had no night chat
#335 1 more vote, and i promise to reveal.
#345 I’m journalist
#346 I’ll refuse any revolutionary invites until late game
#349 I didn’t want to take up doctor’s potential heal
#350 I didn’t want to claim.
#353 what if the person I interview refuses
#354 vote FM Roranoa Zoro for directing scum
#356 vote FM Roranoa Zoro
#358 to prove my towniness we can vote on who to interview
#359 Roranoa Zoro can’t talk to both factions at night.
#366 who wants the interview?
#368 journalist can’t be witched.
#370 what if the interviewee dies?
#377 zoro is scum directing
#379 I’ve had someone interviewed since before I first spoke.
#391 my scumslip was an honest mistake
#397 spam
#404 there is probably a neutral killer
#405 why does donquixote doflamingo still have jewelry voted?
#408 why is zoro not as good a target to get lynched?
#554 why does zoro think I’m lying as journalist but still town?
#559 I won’t tell the town who I choose. Cyborg Franky is uninterested cit.
#560 I’ll be proven tomorrow when my target doesn’t die.
#569 vote FM Cyborg Franky
#571 I might not be here later
#589 vzjdrxdpowbsfppfnna disguiser code
#590 everyone should post a code and unencrypt in 1st post tomorrow.
#598 how to use code
#599 people who use codes won’t be targeted by a disguiser/ventriloquist
#614 it’s extremely difficult to break the code.
#618 with a ventriloquist, we might mislynch someone
#619 code shouldn’t have non alphabetical char
#625 unvote. Cyborg is probably a citizen.
#628 if someone can’t confirm their code they could be vented.
#653 a disguiser can’t fake the codes
#654 you have to uncover your code each day so the whole town knows
#657 explains code again
#659 don’t use picture codes
#660 use the algorithm or a website to make your code
#666 don’t use “playerfmxisalookout”
#667 each day have a different password and key
#669 vote FM Roronoa Zoro
#731 don’t use caps in your code
#736 Roronoa Zoro is my #1 target
#737 forums keep track of post count
#793 fail quoting
#745 who cares about crocodile’s replacement
#748 doc on me
#751 can blackmailed people vote?

Conclusion: Probably Journalist. #405 donquixote doflamingo is probably jester?

Conspiracy Theory: #335 “reveal” seems like mayor language. If Roronoa Zoro is the real journalist (thinks Jewelry is town pr but not journalist) then Jewelry is probably mayor or 2nd journalist?

FM Jimbei
#585 spam

Conclusion: troll. Uncertain alignment.

FM Marco the Phoenix
#7 greetings
#10 spam
#770 sorry for being inactive. I don’t know how to make a disguiser code
#774 posts roles he thinks will be in the game. Seems misguided.
#776 practices making a code
#779 UHMXUGTRENWTIDF code

Conclusion: Hard core lurker, seems not to pay attention.

FM Nico Robin
#200 hello post

Conclusion: Hard core lurker.

FM Red Haired Shanks
#558 hasn’t read much. We should focus on cp9 and pirates first.

Conclusion: Hard core lurker, tries to seem town.

FM Roronoa Zoro
#24 votes FM Soul King Brook
#27 Soul King Brook is playing two characters
#34 troll post Soul King Brook is smurfing and got past mods
#37 Kidd is an innocent bystander
#47 vote FM Straw Hat Luffy
#54 Capone Bege posted twice = scum
#55 lynching Day 1 is retarded
#76 which of Soul King Brooks’s characters do we lynch first?
#108 vote FM Whitebeard
#132 spam
#134 don’t lynch Whitebeard until I get back
#261 Whitebeard is scum, Bonney is an honest mistake. Vote FM Whitebeard
#277 Whitebeard and Bonney could be buddies. Vote FM Jewelry Bonney
#280 spam counts lurkers
#284 Donquixote Doflamingo is scum like Jewelry Bonney
#294 Jewelry Bonney is scum
#301 JB will get hammered without noticing b/c won’t claim
#303 spam
#309 Big Mom was lurking for 3 hours before first post
#311 he didn’t post to check in
#312 he posted right after I posted about lurkers
#317 Basil hints he’s town.
#329 dislaw thing(??) works for me b/c I don’t use firefox
#331 Zoro is scum hunting citizen
#332 I use chrome
#351 watch jewelry get shot by pirates and CP9
#357 I’m not directing
#360 spam
#362 declare who jewelry interviews so if they don’t accept we have 50/50 scum
#367 I want to be interviewed
#372 posts order of operations to answer about journaling
#380 architect/journalist interaction
#382 unvote
#387 will shut up since received a vote
#395 Zoro will not reveal his role today
#434 soul king brook and Trafalgar law on same team
#439 spam
#440 Capone Bege posts in invisible ink. Vote FM Capone Bege
#444 none of his posts have pertained to the game
#450 I claimed cit already
#452 requests journalist interview
#453 I’ve only identified town and marines
#458 @Bonney I know what you are and why you did what you did
#462 Caribou is convinced Bonney is a journalist but she is not.
#464 Bonney is town pr but not journalist
#466 I believe she is easily provable town pr
#468 Jewelry is not journalist
#470 a public announcement would be bad
#473 spam
#475 I’m leaving
#699 vote FM Cyborg Franky
#701 spam
#705 only thing Franky posts is WIFOM
#708 I also voted Bonnie who I thought was town but wanted to pressure for more info
#709 spam
#711 wifom important for all alignments and roles
#721 If franky shuts up maybe he won’t get pressured
#723 spam
#730 eustass is town b/c he isn’t willing to let the lynch vote go too high
#732 caps can be used as decoys if you capitalize random characters
#733 spam
#734 need official ruling on talking about previous game
#735 repost of #734
#740 spamming posts is a good way to get information out of others esp. if you hint at a lot of diff alignments.

Conclusion: #395 says he will not reveal role, #331 claims scum hunting citizen. #450 says he claimed cit already, #466 maybe Zoro is journalist and thinks jewelry bonney is mayor?

FM Scratchmen Apoo
#183 everyone missed me
#203 remarks that Eustass troll claims ninja, spam posts causes town to suffer

Conclusion: Too few posts for me to get an accurate read. Gut town read on this guy.

FM Sogeking
#514 “reporting in” post
#547 Jewelry could be scum faking journalist. We should pick a target for her (should be Dracule Mihawk)
#706 codes won’t work unless everyone does it. I’ll do it if I have a link.

Conclusion: I think I know this guy’s COM and if I’m right he’s some kind of power role. I almost want to say neutral killer or pirate leader. Someone to keep an eye on but not kill just yet.

[FM Kaku]

Solution to my vent/disguiser code:
basilhawkins 2 1 19 9 12 8 1 23 11 9 14 19
hawkinsbasil 8 1 23 11 9 14 19 2 1 19 9 12
10 2 16 20 21 22 20 25 12 2 23 5
J B P T U V T Y L B W E

[FM Ferengi]

Ok. Teammates only. Gotcha'.
You really don't get it? I said that this rule is related to night chat as well. Keep your guesses in your mind.

[FM Kalifa]

You really don't get it? I said that this rule is related to night chat as well. Keep your guesses in your mind.

I see. Very well then.

[FM Kaku]

Maybe that is how I'm breaking the rules, posting in here while I'm jailed. Yet in all seriousness I'm not jailed, unless the host fucked up and didn't tell me.

Anyway dealing fake RBs might mess up, if we drug a BD into thinking he's RBed, and then the people he targeted that night claim they were bussed, he's gonnna easily put two and two together.

The point of drugging fake RB's is to FIND PR's and get them to out themselves. (Then we kill the PR the next night). A marine or a pirate honestly has no incentive to out the drug dealer and may choose not to claim drug dealed to try to send us a message. Drug dealing fake RB's acts as an investigative role for us since we don't really have much in the way of investigative roles like the pirates, rebels, and marines have.

The alternate drug dealer option is to spread confusion instead of using it as an investigative tool. We can deal bus drives, electromaniac charges, or witch controls.

I really think that dealing fake RB's or dealing electromaniac charges is the way to go. The electromaniac charges 2 people on night 1, so perhaps one of us (or the vent target) could claim charged in addition to the person we drug deal.

It sounds like people really don't want to do the fake RB's, but I think it's something to at least consider for its potential to help us uncover power roles.

[FM Kalifa]

Notes:

Guess I'll go next. Notes inbound.

[FM Kaku]

Let's post potential night action targets out of the players you took notes on just to narrow things down a bit. We can discuss further once we have a few options on the table.

Out of all my note taking targets:

Kill target:
Hody Jones - I have a town read on Hody, and this player posts a lot of walls that haven't been very effective... yet.

Witch target:
Sogeking - possible pirate captain (we can direct his kill) since we think he has a night chat and I have a scum read on him.

Drug Deal target:
"role block" our infiltrator
OR
drug deal charged to Basil Hawkins and Jewelry Bonney (two players who claimed town).

Ventriloquist target:
Roronoa Zoro - posts a ton and has good day presence.

[FM Kaku]

Hypothetically if I vented an un-revealed mayor, could I PM you to reveal as mayor?

Does a vented mayor retain his extra votes?

[FM Ferengi]

Hypothetically if I vented an un-revealed mayor, could I PM you to reveal as mayor?

Does a vented mayor retain his extra votes?

No, he must reveal himself wiothout being vented.

Only after he revealed himself.

[FM Kalifa]

NOTES:

Disclaimer: this is very different from how I usually take notes. But I will go through now and do it this way.

FM Crocodile

#575
Claims replacement. I buy it. The fact that this happened mid-day seems to indicate power role. My guess is doctor.

#752
responds to accusations of having 0 posts with "I had one". Says he's still catching up, but would like to lynch Zoro.

#753
Calls Sogeking's post (#547) scummy and says it discredits/defeats the point of the journalist.

#755
Votes Zoro

#756
Says he's caught up. Still thinks Zoro is scum (cp9/pirates). Has a rebel read on Fire Fist Ace . "We should keep track of buddying". Doesn't seem to imply that he will do it. Lazy town or possible scum.

#757
filler

#758
filler

#765
spots my post calling Ace a rebel and agrees with me

#766
restatement of #765

#771
Disguiser code

#772
quotes a useless post by Marco the Phoenix in which he apologizes for lurking, has an excuse for not making a disguiser code, and doens't add anything. Then asks Marco if he wants to add anything.

Conclusion: I stand by initial suspicion that he might be doctor. He's a low poster, but he made sure to point out a couple times that he did post. Seems like a PR who mostly wants to stay out of the spotlight, but still wants to contribute. If he's not doctor, he's probably citizen. 90% town

FM Cyborg Franky

#217
complains about reroll

#612
apologizes for lurking. claims he's trying to track buddying. [A recurring theme between him and Crocodile. Hmm...] Says that he can claim his role, but doing so would make him "worth far less. Barely more than if I were [I]dead". [A hint toward veteran, methinks]

#622
"it is in town's best interest for me not to claim" [another hint toward bodyguard or veteran. Still leaning toward veteran]

#648
confused by disguiser codes. "who says I haven't given the town something more?" (in response to Boa asking him to give "something more")

#649
wouldn't disguiser just fake the code?

#655
disguiser code confusion

#670
finally understands disguiser codes

#678
doesn't have a code ready but he'll "try to come up with one"

#686
tells Foxy to "try rereading again" says he "might find something more interesting" [hinting at his role hinting]

#700
"I have said productive things, you just want me dead" (@Zoro)

#702
More hints at his hints.

#707
sarcastic response to zoro "only scum WIFOM"

#712
filler

#714
makes amends with Zoro

#716
filler

#718
filler. annoyed by people's seeming obliviousness to his sarcasm

#722
defense against accusation that his post "must spread rep" was buddying, saying that it was merely his way of agreeing

Conclusion: He hinted at being a veteran and then hinted back to this hint several times. My first inclination was to simply think that he is the veteran, but I'm not sure why a veteran would hint at it so much, leading me to believe it's either a doctor or citizen attempting to avoid being attacked. My initial thought was it could be scum trying to dissuade investigative roles, but there aren't many of those in this setup 2/3 of them can win with pirates. My guess is that he's 80% town, with an additional chance that he is veteran, bodyguard, or doctor.

FM Don Krieg

#3
Introductory

#5
@Soul King Brook "I bet I know who you are"

#9
filler

#32
defense against trafalgar's buddying accusation

#35
filler

#39
another buddying defense

#84
Hints at his guesses for gecko's and Brook's COMs

#89
weighs in on Big Mom's coroner "claim" [in quotes because it was clearly not a claim]

#111
pressure vote on whitebeard

#117
corrects fail vote

#153
hints at Boa's COM

#161
defends the COM pokes

#168
defense of big mom's scum read on him

#177
Big Mom Defense 2: Defend Harder

#185
big mom defense 3.0: This Time, It's Personal

#195
big mom defense 3.1. goes to bed.

#214
unvotes. goes to bed for real.

#441
Big Mom Defense 4: Tokyo Drift

#446
Big Mom Defense (Furious) Five

#456
The Amazing Big Mom Defense (reboot of the recently completed Big Mom Defense movie series)

#476
The Amazing Big Mom Defense 1.1

#479
Believes Bonney is journalist. suspicous of zoro.

#492
filler

#534
Votes Cyborg Franky

#570
tells Bonney to give Cyborg some time to respond before lynching him

#572
Agrees with Bonney to leave the votes as is and is ok with lynch on cyborg

Conclusion: Holy defense, Batman. Looking at all those defensive posts, it's hard to say what I'd place him as if I didn't already know his role. for the moment it seems towny, I think, but if I were you, Don (Rob), I would be careful in the future. You want to try, if possible, to defend yourself in fewer posts or, while making your defense, chiming in to other conversations about the game (other people's FoS lists, etc.) as this activity will complement your defense in making you seem towny. You have shown yourself to be an active player, which is good, and the fact that you might even be a little suspect is good, just make sure you don't get much more than a little suspect. Currently I'd be about 50/50 on your alignment if I didn't already know it.

FM Donquixote Doflamingo

#282
Agrees with Sanji about Trafalgar's "town leader" claim

#283
Votes Bonney

#287
tells Zoro to elaborate on why he (zoro) would have Donqui lynched.

#291
filler/agreement with Sanji

#292
demand roleclaim from Bonney

#297
further pressures Bonney to claim

#402
Calls attention to Trafalgar mentioning the neutral killer out of nowhere.

Conclusion: Low post count, mostly useless posts, and doesn't even have an avatar after 72 hours of game time. either a relatively uninterested citizen, a new player, or both. Could be a neutral, but I doubt he has a night chat as they would likely have advised him to get an avatar.

FM Dracule Mihawk (AKA- FM17 MVP) #goingforathreepeat

(Do I really have to analyze my own posts? I feel like this might be a bad idea)

FM Eustass Kidd

#2
"first post"

#8
filler

#12
filler

#13
filler

#15
filler

#16
filler

#28
votes drake for no reason. troll-y.

#29
unvotes. more trolling.

#322
trolls and states no intention to read posts, instead requesting a summary.

#325
thanks sanji for the summary. says he'll be back in "one day plus a few hours"

#326
votes bonney

#327
filler/trolling

#333
filler/trolling

#343
votes bonney. again. [never unvoted her to begin with]

#414
trolling

#415
troling

#417
trolling

#419
trolling

#422
Oh would you look at that, more trolling/filler

#713
doesn't see the point of disguiser codes

#727
unvotes. "brb in the afternoon"

Conclusion: Low post count, filled exclusively with troll/useless posts. Either an obvious jester or a bored citizen. Probably the latter. In any case, does not appear to be a threat to us.

FM Fire Fist Ace

#21
"you stole my name" at Tony Chopper. fail vote on Tony.

#22
properly votes Tony

#26
filler

#160
votes whitebeard. "all citizen claimers are scums"

#211
Lists CP9 as top lynch priority followed by pirates and marines. [Pretty pro-rebel post. Might be a rebel]

#229

"Jewelry is a faction member or ghost/jester" [bad reads. Intentional or no?]

#244
Votes bonney

#413
says bonney is not confirmed town, she might be disguiser [true. I had the same thought]

#418
filler

#420
engaging in a meaningless discussion with useless. Either that, or it's some kind of code that uses seemingly meaningless sentences.

#423
similar to #420

#543
votes cyborg franky

#763
defends from Crocodile's rebel accusation

Conclusion: low post count, nothing terribly useful. I'm still thinking he's a rebel.

FM Foxy the Silver Fox

#213
Introductory

#248
defends whitebeard saying his "my faction didn't discuss anything on night 0" comment would be too careless for scum to make and was likely his way of hinting at citizen.

#604
expresses lack of faith in the current vote train (on Cyborg Franky) and suggests that the 10 voters might be a large block of scum. [could be an ally of Franky]

#685
changes his mind and decides to vote Franky. [perhaps because he realized that his last post seemed like buddying, so he attempted to correct for it?]

#703
filler

Conclusion: The guy has 5 posts. It's pretty difficult to get a read on him, but if he has a night chat, I bet either Whitebeard, Cyborg, or maybe even both of them, are in there with him. Regardless, he doesn't seem threatening for the time being. Should be easy to get him lynched if we want to.

FM Gecko Moria

#68
introductory

#71
filler

#77
filler

#78
filler

#81
filler

#86
filler

#87
filler

#91
points out that big mom's coroner claim was not a claim, but to prove a point.

#96
hints that whitebeard might be upset that he got a role useless CP9 role like "agent"

#101
votes whitebeard

#105
points out that vote counter isn't giving an l-#

#110
"with no L-# day might not end on lynch even with majority vote"

#120
asks host if hammer locks votes

#130
[I'm not sure what he's referring to here]

#133
pushes idea that whitebeard is scum

#138
implies one of whitebeard's posts claim he is town/student/skyper

#144
argues with whitebeard

#179
continues to push idea of whitebeard being scum

#242
unvotes whitebeard

#243
votes Jewelry Bonney

#249
Bonney's defense of whitebeard makes Gecko more suspicious of her

#268
filler

#269
implies there are other reasons for voting Bonney besides her defense of Whitebeard

#272
asks for post analysis from straw hat luffy

#704
filler

#725
unvotes

#742
filler

Conclusion: Again, doesn't post that much and when he does, it's not at all impressive. Highly suspicious of whitebeard even after most people had moved on for some reason. Unsure of his alignment. Could be a pirate thinking whitebeard was a marine or vice-versa. Or neither. It's late and I'm a bit tired. Not sure where to place this guy for the moment.

[FM Kalifa]

Sorry that took so long. I find the process of doing notes like that to be very tedious and time-consuming, so expect all of similar posts from me to take a long time. Thanks goodness the number of living players will start thinning out soon.

[FM Kalifa]

Hypothetically if I vented an un-revealed mayor, could I PM you to reveal as mayor?

Does a vented mayor retain his extra votes?

I like your thinking here. I don't know how you'd know they were mayor if they had not revealed (because for them to hint at it and not reveal would be stupid, if you ask me), so I guess the strategy would be to PM a reveal command every time you vent just in case and hope you eventually find the mayor. But I guess that won't work. :(

[FM Kalifa]

[QUOTE=FM Kaku;283843]Let's post potential night action targets out of the players you took notes on just to narrow things down a bit. We can discuss further once we have a few options on the table.

Out of all my note taking targets:

Kill target:
Fire Fist Ace- I think he may be a rebel, and killing one of them this early would absolutely cripple them by either removing their investigative role, or completely removing their potential to kill later on.

or

Crocodile- None of my subjects seemed particularly dangerous to us, but Crocodile had the strongest town read and is (I think) most likely to be a PR.

Witch target:
Crocodile- I think he's a PR, so it'll mess up his action. I might throw him at Cyborg Franky which would either kill him and confirm Franky as a veteran (and if Crocodile is a a PR, even better) or Crocodile won't die and we'll know that Franky's veteran hints were lies and we should keep an eye on him.

Drug Deal target:
Gecko or Foxy. Both seem a bit suspicious, so having them claim feedback could put them under more scrutiny and get them lynched or targeted in future nights.

Ventriloquist target:
None, honestly. But if you had to pick one of my subjects to Vent, I guess I'd suggest Eustas. Since he's already trolling, you could get away with saying just about anything. If he's a jester and you get him lynched, yay. And if he's not jester and you get him lynched, oh well, he's not us!

[FM Kalifa]

woops forgot to delete the first part of the quote. Totally stole your formatting for that, Kaku. I lazy. :)

[FM Kalifa]

Drug Deal target:
"role block" our infiltrator
OR
drug deal charged to Basil Hawkins and Jewelry Bonney (two players who claimed town).


Why role block infiltrator? Town points?

And you are basil hawkins, so... Why? Town points?

And you weren't on your note-taking list, so you can't suggest yourself anyway. :P

[FM Kaku]

Interesting insight on Crocodile. I'm hesitant to try to rebel hunt so early since we need them to help thin town numbers. I feel like if we suspect Crocodile of being a town PR (and potentially the doctor!!) we need to kill him instead of witch him.

[FM Kaku]

Why role block infiltrator? Town points?

And you are basil hawkins, so... Why? Town points?

And you weren't on your note-taking list, so you can't suggest yourself anyway. :P

The point of role blocking the infiltrator is to set him up as a semi-confirmed citizen. Think about it. A citizen claims role blocked and he can't tell the difference between a drug deal or a real rb. The next night a PR gets fake role blocked and claims HEY I was drugged!! And then the citizen can be like wait maybe I was drugged too. I'm not sure because I can't tell the difference.

I was just thinking that if we charge people, we need to remember that the EM charges 2 players on N1 so one of us or the vent target has to claim it in addition to the person we drug. If the witch, DD, or I claim charged maybe we are less likely to be targeted on future nights.

[FM Kaku]

To follow up with DD'ing role blocks, it sets up a situation where the infiltrator can lend credibility to his citizen claim because a real citizen wouldn't know the difference between a real or fake rb. It then makes him a really appealing rebel target IMO.

A con to this plan is that it's set up to expose the fact that we have a DD. But it should hopefully if run optimally help the infiltrator get into that rebel chat!

[FM Kalifa]

Interesting insight on Crocodile. I'm hesitant to try to rebel hunt so early since we need them to help thin town numbers. I feel like if we suspect Crocodile of being a town PR (and potentially the doctor!!) we need to kill him instead of witch him.

Obviously we want to kill the doctor. I was just thinking if Cyborg is veteran, we could get 2 for 1 by witching crocodile to him, thereby killing a doctor and finding the veteran in a single stroke. However, it is possible that Cyborg is not the veteran, and if you think that is the case, then obviously killing crocodile more sense unless we'd rather one of us get healed by him instead.

[FM Kalifa]

To follow up with DD'ing role blocks, it sets up a situation where the infiltrator can lend credibility to his citizen claim because a real citizen wouldn't know the difference between a real or fake rb. It then makes him a really appealing rebel target IMO.

A con to this plan is that it's set up to expose the fact that we have a DD. But it should hopefully if run optimally help the infiltrator get into that rebel chat!

Confirming him as citizen to get him into the rebel chat... Interesting. I like it. It will take a few days before this actually pays off though, considering that he'd have to wait until a PR claims drugged which would be day 3 at the earliest. Still though, if it works, there's a huge payoff.

[FM Kalifa]

Interesting insight on Crocodile. I'm hesitant to try to rebel hunt so early since we need them to help thin town numbers. I feel like if we suspect Crocodile of being a town PR (and potentially the doctor!!) we need to kill him instead of witch him.

It's a balancing act. We want them to thin the town a bit, but we also need to keep them small and weak. I don't think taking out one of their starting members early is a bad thing. It won't slow their recruitment at all, only weaken either their investigating now or their killing later. And keep in mind their investigator can find all of us but the infiltrator, and will likely out us at the first opportunity, though they may very well try to be subtle about it to stay hidden.

[FM Kalifa]

Oh, and I agree about Hody being potentially dangerous, especially if I've correctly guess his COM. But then, what if he's another Michigan J Frog?

[FM Rob Lucci]

I want to know your thoughts on Big Mom being dangerous.

I had to defend myself against him, thus I am very sure of his COM, and I see him as the biggest threat currently. He is barely readable and, if he is town, he will be the greatest leader they have. I am just unsure of killing him because he is the only one suspicious of me and if I die then he will leave hints on me being scum, I think. Of course, they will only be used if he is a pro-town role, but it would still suck to get more attention on myself.

If I had to suggest anything, then I would go for venting Big Mom a round or two, and then I will go ahead and kill him. That's my plan. Thoughts?

[FM Kalifa]

I want to know your thoughts on Big Mom being dangerous.

I had to defend myself against him, thus I am very sure of his COM, and I see him as the biggest threat currently. He is barely readable and, if he is town, he will be the greatest leader they have. I am just unsure of killing him because he is the only one suspicious of me and if I die then he will leave hints on me being scum, I think. Of course, they will only be used if he is a pro-town role, but it would still suck to get more attention on myself.

If I had to suggest anything, then I would go for venting Big Mom a round or two, and then I will go ahead and kill him. That's my plan. Thoughts?

So far he has confined himself to arguing with you about your scumminess and has not yet tried to convince others of it. And as you said, he is the only one who is suspicious of you, so it could throw up some red flags for town ("he must have been onto something", etc.) I think Hody is the better kill, though as I said before, there is a chance he is just a very good scum player (and if I've correctly guessed his COM, this is very possible).

[FM Rob Lucci]

Well, I don't mind going for Hody, because I wouldn't know a better target, I primarily focused on Big Mom since he is/was so focused on me. But I still say that we have to shut him down somehow. Using our Ventrilo on him probably wouldn't be such a good idea, especially because he had a code. I say Vent goes for someone without a code but still a somewhat active player and make the others suspicious of him..

[FM Kalifa]

Well, I don't mind going for Hody, because I wouldn't know a better target, I primarily focused on Big Mom since he is/was so focused on me.

Go back through and do notes on your targets now. Use the profile links I posted and go through each of their posts. It is time-consuming and tedious, but you will gain new insights about each player. Don't think that just because you didn't do it during the day, you can't do it now.

I also think venting someone with a code is a non-issue. They will think they were either vented or disguised, but they won't know which, and if the vent keeps the same target over several days, they will appear to be disguised and may very well be lynched.

[FM Kalifa]

I also think venting someone with a code is a non-issue. They will think they were either vented or disguised, but they won't know which, and if the vent keeps the same target over several days, they will appear to be disguised and may very well be lynched.

Just realized the language is a bit unclear. So, for clarity: the person who was vented will appear vented/disguised, but the town won't know which, and will lynch the person if they decide he/she is disguised.

[FM Rob Lucci]

Just realized the language is a bit unclear. So, for clarity: the person who was vented will appear vented/disguised, but the town won't know which, and will lynch the person if they decide he/she is disguised.

Problem is if a lookout or something similar decided to look at the visitors. I mean, the Ventriloquist will visit his target, right? Everything else would seem weird. That's why I would hesitate about venting the same target every day.

[FM Kaku]

I want to know your thoughts on Big Mom being dangerous.

I had to defend myself against him, thus I am very sure of his COM, and I see him as the biggest threat currently. He is barely readable and, if he is town, he will be the greatest leader they have. I am just unsure of killing him because he is the only one suspicious of me and if I die then he will leave hints on me being scum, I think. Of course, they will only be used if he is a pro-town role, but it would still suck to get more attention on myself.

If I had to suggest anything, then I would go for venting Big Mom a round or two, and then I will go ahead and kill him. That's my plan. Thoughts?

Personally, I think Big Mom is playing like some kind of scum PR. I wouldn't be surprised if he flips rebel/pirate. Just notice the difference in his play from before the reroll (in which I assume he was a citizen based on meta). I think it would be interesting to vent him and then see how people react after the night chat cycle.

I'd like to post something from Big Mom about how the vent probably wants to vent one player the whole time and then kill them (I'll word it better ofc) and then we can see how people react. We should be on the lookout for hidden messages that someone from Big Mom's faction is trying to send us. ;)

Gonna work on cracking Big Mom's disguiser code now, and then I'll do a style analysis. I already have a post time spreadsheet. Venting him is going to be a pain because he posts really early in the morning my time... x_____x but I think it would be both useful and funny for me to vent him lol.

[FM Kalifa]

Problem is if a lookout or something similar decided to look at the visitors. I mean, the Ventriloquist will visit his target, right? Everything else would seem weird. That's why I would hesitate about venting the same target every day.

The thing is, the lookout isn't necessarily our enemy. So even if he finds our vent, he won't out her. Not right away, at least.

[FM Kalifa]

The thing is, the lookout isn't necessarily our enemy. So even if he finds our vent, he won't out her. Not right away, at least.

That is IF there even is a lookout in the game. Though I'm pretty sure there is.

[FM Rob Lucci]

The thing is, the lookout isn't necessarily our enemy. So even if he finds our vent, he won't out her. Not right away, at least.

Alright, well, if everyone agrees and Kaku wants to, then we can vent Big Mom.

I will kill Hody since that seems to be what everyone can agree on.

Kalifa, who do you want to witch?

Blueno, who do you want to drug deal and what feedback do you want to give?

[FM Kalifa]

That is IF there even is a lookout in the game. Though I'm pretty sure there is.

This actually brings me to an interesting point- What roles do we think are in the game? I'll start.

Pirates:
Pirate Captain
First Mate (consigliere)
Consort
Blackmailer


Marines:
Navy Admiral
Jailor
Vigilante
Lookout


Town:
Doctor
Journalist
Blacksmith
Bus Driver
Veteran


Neutrals:
Jester
Serial Killer

[FM Kaku]

This actually brings me to an interesting point- What roles do we think are in the game? I'll start.

Pirates:
Pirate Captain
First Mate (consigliere)
Consort
Blackmailer


Marines:
Navy Admiral
Jailor
Vigilante
Lookout


Town:
Doctor
Journalist
Blacksmith
Bus Driver
Veteran


Neutrals:
Jester
Serial Killer

I'm really sad because I went through and posted analysis on each role and why I think they would/would not be in the game before the reroll, but I didn't save it on my computer and it got lost. I'll do it again later if I get a chance.

[FM Kalifa]

Alright, well, if everyone agrees and Kaku wants to, then we can vent Big Mom.

I will kill Hody since that seems to be what everyone can agree on.

Kalifa, who do you want to witch?

Blueno, who do you want to drug deal and what feedback do you want to give?

I want to witch Crocodile onto Cyborg Franky. With any luck Franky is the veteran and will alert tonight, thus killing Crocodile.

[FM Kaku]

Here's what I've got for "breaking" Big Mom's disguiser code. My method is kinda shady but I was able to make some sense of the code.

(See post #694)
1 43 2 0987

(mod 26)
1 17 2 25
a q b y

+10 (mod 26)
11 1 12 9
k a l i

Kali is a Hindu goddess whose name comes from kala which means black, time, death, lord of death.

[FM Kalifa]

I'm really sad because I went through and posted analysis on each role and why I think they would/would not be in the game before the reroll, but I didn't save it on my computer and it got lost. I'll do it again later if I get a chance.

I basically did this, but kept my analysis hidden. I can post my reasoning for each role's inclusion/exclusion if you like.

[FM Kaku]

Night actions so far:
Kill Hody, send infiltrator
Witch crocodile onto Cyborg Franky, send witch
Ventriloquist target Big Mom, send ventriloquist
Drug....?

[FM Kaku]

I basically did this, but kept my analysis hidden. I can post my reasoning for each role's inclusion/exclusion if you like.

If you have your analysis, you should go ahead and post it.

[FM Rob Lucci]

I want to witch Crocodile onto Cyborg Franky. With any luck Franky is the veteran and will alert tonight, thus killing Crocodile.

This sounds good.


Here's what I've got for "breaking" Big Mom's disguiser code. My method is kinda shady but I was able to make some sense of the code.

(See post #694)
1 43 2 0987

(mod 26)
1 17 2 25
a q b y

+10 (mod 26)
11 1 12 9
k a l i

Kali is a Hindu goddess whose name comes from kala which means black, time, death, lord of death.

I think this works. It may even convince them of you being a disguiser if they don't believe your key to the code.

[FM Kalifa]

Here's what I've got for "breaking" Big Mom's disguiser code. My method is kinda shady but I was able to make some sense of the code.

(See post #694)
1 43 2 0987

(mod 26)
1 17 2 25
a q b y

+10 (mod 26)
11 1 12 9
k a l i

Kali is a Hindu goddess whose name comes from kala which means black, time, death, lord of death.

How the hell did you do that?

[FM Kalifa]

If you have your analysis, you should go ahead and post it.

It was in my head and not typed/written everywhere, so I'll type it up and post it once I get out of class.

[FM Kalifa]

everywhere

anywhere

[FM Kaku]

anywhere

lol. ITS NOT WRITTEN EVERYWHERE!!! :P

[FM Kalifa]

lol. ITS NOT WRITTEN EVERYWHERE!!! :P

Yeah, yeah. I'm in class. Trying to take notes on US History while posting in this night chat. Multitasking is hard.

[FM Rob Lucci]

I probably won't be online before the day starts so if you decide to change some night actions then do as you see fit.

[FM Kalifa]

Ok, I'm out of class at last. Roles list 2.0, now with logic!

Pirates Possible Roles:
Pirate Captain
First Mate (consigliere)
Consort
Janitor
Framer
Blackmailer
Disguiser
Pirate (mafioso)

Analysis:

Captain- Guaranteed.
First Mate- Though it's a bit weird for the name of a role to be the same as the host's account name, I believe consigliere is a necessary role for the Pirates to have, especially since every faction is so starved for information. Plus, it's got the same name as the host, so... He's not not going to include it.
Consort- Pretty standard mafia role. Can hide as an escort just because it's a possible role (by the time anyone can confirm that escort is not in the game, it will probably be too late).
Janitor- Town is already so starved for information that I think putting in a janitor would be overkill UNLESS town has a coroner. But then if the coroner dies, town is left completely in the dark. So I'm skeptical that we'll see a janitor.
Framer- Town has no investigative roles, so this wouldn't be very useful, except perhaps to fuck up the marines' investigations, but could also fuck with the rebel's scout as well (which can ally with pirates, so not very helpful). So a framer is pretty much useless here and is highly unlikely to be present.
Blackmailer- Given that we have a ventriloquist, I think it's fair to think the pirates could have a similar role. Plus I just don't see any of the others being in the game.
Disguiser- I could see disguiser being in the game in place of the consort, but my intuition tells me this is not the case. Especially since the disguiser's kill would not be separate from the Pirates' factional kill.
Pirate (mafioso)-Waste of time. No one wants to be a mafioso when its one ability (killing) can already be done by the Pirate Captain (Godfather) who also can't be detected by certain factions and can survive a night attack. No way this is in the game.

That leaves us with this as the Pirate's roster:

Pirates:
Pirate Captain
First Mate (consigliere)
Consort
Blackmailer


Marines possible roles:
Navy Admiral
Jailor
Vigilante
Detective
Lookout
Bodyguard
Enforcer
Commodore


Analysis:


Navy Admiral-Guaranteed.
Jailor- A crowd favorite, was in the game before the reroll, is a source of information (which is what the Marines are all about) and can kill (which the Marines need, since they have no factional kill). Plus, MOAR night chats! I'm 100% certain this is in the game.
Vigilante- As with jailor, provides a kill that the faction could not otherwise get. The vigilante allows them to kill on a night after a lynch, and brings their kill limit up to 6.
Detective- I believe either the lookout or the detective will be in the game, but not both. I lean toward lookout because the detective's job is much harder in a game because it has to pick someone who it thinks is a pr, which is difficult in a game with so many citizens that cannot move. This is corrected a bit by having a night chat with an investigator/sheriff type role that could potentially find the PRs in advance and direct the detective, but I'm not sure that's enough to justify including it. A lookout's job is a bit easier, because a lookout need only pick a high profile target. If the lookout is NOT in the game, however, detective is certain to exist in its place.
Lookout- See above. Basically, Lookout is a bit easier/makes more sense than detective in this setup and one of the two is in the game.
Bodyguard- No. Just no. What good would a bodyguard with a night chat be? Sure, he gets to know who his allies are and can protect them easily, but the whole point of the bodyguard is to die defending its target. So why would a faction with only 4 members that needs at least one of those 4 members to survive until the end, want a teammate whose purpose is to die? It doesn't make sense. Not going to happen.
Enforcer- As much as I would love for this to be in the game, it literally only serves to screw up the rebels. Our infiltrator at least has a kill of its own and an auto-vest. This thing could ONLY hurt rebels. So what happens when the rebels die? I guess he could become a commodore (much like framer -> mafioso in FM16), but I doubt it. HIGHLY unlikely.
Commodore-Basically a student that has chosen Navy Admiral. Only gets a power when the Admiral dies. Again, I ask: Why would any faction whose goal is to survive want a member that must die/requires other members to die in order to be effective? They don't. 100% not in the game. Nothing has ever not been in a game more than this role is not in this game.

This leaves us with the finalized Marine roster as follows:

Marines:
Navy Admiral
Jailor
Vigilante
Lookout


Possible Town Roles:
Doctor
Coroner
Journalist
Blacksmith
Escort
Mayor
Veteran
Bus Driver


Analysis:


Doctor- Guaranteed.
Coroner- Unlikely, as it is only useful if there is a janitor in the game. And once the janitor is dead, it's worthless. Could also work against a disguiser, but it would pretty stupid to have it in the game so that it could perform exactly one night action. Ergo, no coroner.
Journalist- Pretty much guaranteed at this point, given Bonney's claim. The only way there could not be a journalist is if Bonney is disguiser. But even then, I'm betting there's a journalist.
Blacksmith- Pretty popular role, versatile in that it can give out kills or self-heals, and represents the point of mafia, which is being able to figure out who you can trust. Also is the only role listed that could provide town with any semblance of a consistent night kill, which town will likely need unless they are very lucky and the scum destroy each other.
Escort- To be honest, I'm not entirely certain about this one. I could see there being an escort. I'm not really set on any of the remaining roles being in the game. The only one I'm pretty sure isn't in the game is Mayor. The others (escort, bus driver, veteran) are all roles that I could see being in the game.
Mayor- The setup says Mayor can't join the rebels, which I think would be the main point of including him to begin with, so I'm pretty sure we won't be seeing a mayor this game.
Veteran- As I said with escort, I'm not certain it's in the game. Before I got my role card for the first game I thought jester wouldn't be in the game because it fulfills its purpose (lynch deterrent) by simply by being possible. And I thought of veteran in a similar fashion (night deterrent). But since I was jester before the reroll, I'm starting to lean towards veteran being in the game. Plus Cyborg Franky has been heavily hinting that he's veteran.
Bus Driver- Again, not totally convinced its in the game. But it does kind of fuck things up, which is always fun, so I feel like it should be in the game. Call it intuition.

Anyway, if I 'm right, the Town PR breakdown look like this:

Town:
Doctor
Journalist
Blacksmith
Bus Driver
Veteran



Possible Neutrals:

Amnesiac
Student
Skyper
Jester
Executioner
Ghost
Arsonist
Electro maniac
Serial Killer
Joker

Analysis:
Amnesiac
Student
Skyper
None of these roles really have an effect on the game. I mean, they could swing the game in one side's favor by choosing one of their members, thus giving them an extra teammate, maybe even a spare power role. But they don't effect the way chat happen during the day or the way kills will happen at night. And let's face it; skyper is just a weaker student, so that's 100% certain to not be in the game. The other two could be, but due to their relatively low impact, I would say it's doubtful.

Jester
Executioner
Ghost
Since the benign/more towny block of neutrals has been eliminated, chances are there will be one of each of the remaining types of neutrals. Since I was jester last game and the reroll happened very quickly, my guess is that the roles are the same, which means there is definitely a jester. If they did change some of the roles, it will be an executioner. Though the concept of the ghost is interesting, I just don't see it being in the game.

Arsonist
Electro maniac
Serial Killer
Joker
You know there has to be at least one of these, or what's the point in including any neutrals at all? Serial Killer is the best because it gets a flat 1KPN whereas the others get: Arsonist: N-1, Electro Manaiac: 1 + .5N (if everything goes perfectly, which it won't), Joker: Ranges between .5N and 1N. So I say it's a serial killer.

Which gives us:

Neutrals:
Jester
Serial Killer

[FM Rob Lucci]

Very nice analysis, sounds logical so it's good. Anyway, gonna go to bed now, good night!

[FM Kalifa]

Electro Manaiac: 1 + .5N (if everything goes perfectly, which it won't),


Woops, that should be 1 + N. Technically slightly better than a serial killer, but that's only if everything goes perfectly and its targets always bump into each other right after they're charged and they're never healed/vested/etc. Which, as I said, won't happen.

[FM Kalifa]

Oh, and just to be official and stuff:

Witch FM Crocodile to visit/perform night action on FM Cyborg Franky.

[FM Blueno]

Alright I have been thinking, I kind of like the plan of fake rbing the Infiltrator to make him appear Town, thus increasing his chances of being recruited. Yet actually doing it would be a fail and although I believe he could claim it without it actually happening.

This gives me an actual option. I believe that maybe we could do the EM claim with the Vent'd guy. It's risky yet very possible.

My analysis on the roles are relatively the same as Kalifa, with one or two changes I can't really think of. Yet it seems accurate.

[FM Kaku]

So who do you want to fake charge?

[FM Blueno]

Idk why but I felt a slight connection between Law and Urouge.

As to the who I want to fake charge, I was thinking maybe Caribou. He seemed pro-marine, and attracted a decent amount of attention. I believe he would however, go for it thinking it's real at the time.

If we're wrong and its an EM instead of an SK, then we could just wind up fucking with the Town. I believe that will be my night action.

[FM Kaku]

Idk why but I felt a slight connection between Law and Urouge.

As to the who I want to fake charge, I was thinking maybe Caribou. He seemed pro-marine, and attracted a decent amount of attention. I believe he would however, go for it thinking it's real at the time.

If we're wrong and its an EM instead of an SK, then we could just wind up fucking with the Town. I believe that will be my night action.

Should I have Big Mom also claim charged? (Electromaniac charges 2 people on Night 1)

[FM Kalifa]

Should I have Big Mom also claim charged? (Electromaniac charges 2 people on Night 1)

If we're doing the fake charges, then I guess you might as well. That way if the neutrals die and the town realizes there is no electro maniac, they'll be suspicious of people that aren't us.

Are we still planning on having our infiltrator claim role blocked?

[FM Kaku]

If we're doing the fake charges, then I guess you might as well. That way if the neutrals die and the town realizes there is no electro maniac, they'll be suspicious of people that aren't us.

Are we still planning on having our infiltrator claim role blocked?

If we're doing the charges, we shouldn't claim role blocks... I think. It's not sustainable to keep up EM charges AND role blocks.

[FM Kalifa]

If we're doing the charges, we shouldn't claim role blocks... I think. It's not sustainable to keep up EM charges AND role blocks.

So you think it would be unwise for him to lie about it? I doubt the lookout would call him on it, and no one else can really disprove it, at least not until much later in the game.

[FM Kaku]

So you think it would be unwise for him to lie about it? I doubt the lookout would call him on it, and no one else can really disprove it, at least not until much later in the game.

Well I guess if its exposed that the role blocks are fake AND its somehow exposed that the charges are fake then they can be traced back and reveal our members.

[FM Kalifa]

Well I guess if its exposed that the role blocks are fake AND its somehow exposed that the charges are fake then they can be traced back and reveal our members.

The only scenario in which both could be proven fake is if:
1. There's a real electro maniac (4 people will claim charged. They won't know which 2 are fake, though).
2. There's an arsonist and his target claims doused
3. There's an SK kill.

Technically since there are two neutrals, we should need 2 of these to happen, but since I think everyone suspects, as I do, that there is only 1 killing neutral, 1 of those is probably enough.

And to debunk the roleblock we need 2 people to claim roleblocked. they'll know one is fake, but since the consort definitely isn't claiming, and a smart escort won't claim, no one will know which was fake unless one or more of the real RBs happened to be PRs, in which case, revealing this information will also reveal their role, so all they'll know is that there is a drug dealer.

I don't think it can be traced back to us because why would we fake RB our own teammate? Seems silly, since the drug dealer is supposed to be used to confuse town.

[FM Kalifa]

And to debunk the roleblock we need 2 people to claim roleblocked.

2 + infiltrator, that is.

[FM Ferengi]

I still do not see a night action from Blueno.

[FM Kaku]

Night actions so far:
Infiltrator kill FM Hody Jones
Witch FM Crocodile to visit/perform night action on FM Cyborg Franky.
Ventriloquist target FM Big Mom
Drug Dealer drug EM charge FM Wet Haired Caribou

Additional Notes:

Infiltrator - claim role blocked. Tomorrow we can drug a potential PR to appear role blocked/one of us to "expose" the drug dealer to help "confirm" the infiltrator as a citizen and a good rebel recruit target to help get the infiltrator into the rebel night chat. If our kill on Hody for whatever reason does not go through, abort the plan.

Ventriloquist - vent target will claim charged since the EM charges 2 people on N1. Additionally, if it becomes obvious that the vent target (Big Mom) is vented/disguised, feel free to point it out to gain town points. If my vent doesn't go through, I won't post the code solution I posted earlier in this thread. (I doubt I actually have the solution Big Mom intended).

[FM Rob Lucci]

Night actions so far:
Infiltrator kill FM Hody Jones
Witch FM Crocodile to visit/perform night action on FM Cyborg Franky.
Ventriloquist target FM Big Mom
Drug Dealer drug EM charge FM Wet Haired Caribou

Additional Notes:

Infiltrator - claim role blocked. Tomorrow we can drug a potential PR to appear role blocked/one of us to "expose" the drug dealer to help "confirm" the infiltrator as a citizen and a good rebel recruit target to help get the infiltrator into the rebel night chat. If our kill on Hody for whatever reason does not go through, abort the plan.

Anything else I have to be careful of when claiming to be role blocked? If they ask for role, reveal as citizen? Gimme your thoughts if you can before the day starts. I won't be here before that, but I can read through. Going back to school now.

[FM Kalifa]

Anything else I have to be careful of when claiming to be role blocked? If they ask for role, reveal as citizen? Gimme your thoughts if you can before the day starts. I won't be here before that, but I can read through. Going back to school now.

Remember to ABORT if Hody survives. I wouldn't outright claim citizen. Not at first, anyway. Just claim roleblocked and wait. If asked, you can answer, but otherwise don't claim. If you're too eager to claim citizen, the town (and rebels) will be more likely to think you have something to hide/that you want to get recruited. You do want to, of course, but you don't want them to know it. A bit confusing, I know. Best of luck!

[FM Kalifa]

Remember to ABORT if Hody survives. I wouldn't outright claim citizen. Not at first, anyway. Just claim roleblocked and wait. If asked, you can answer, but otherwise don't claim. If you're too eager to claim citizen, the town (and rebels) will be more likely to think you have something to hide/that you want to get recruited. You do want to, of course, but you don't want them to know it. A bit confusing, I know. Best of luck!

Even if you're asked your role show a little hesitance to answer "I'm not sure I should", etc. You may not even ever say the word "citizen", but you hint at it a bit. With any luck, you'll be a rebel within the next 2 nights.

[FM Rob Lucci]

Alright, no problem.

School surprisingly ended a bit earlier, so here I am.