S-FM 54: Second Chances

[creedkingsx]

Day 1 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/16619-S-FM-54-Second-Chances?p=267045&viewfull=1#post267045)
Day 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/16619-S-FM-54-Second-Chances?p=268130&viewfull=1#post268130)
Day 3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/16619-S-FM-54-Second-Chances?p=268931&viewfull=1#post268931)


Welcome to a game.
A forgiving game where when you fuck up, you are given a shot at redemption.

This is: The game of Second chances.

Players:
AppleyNO
Brendan
Cryptonic
Damus_Graves
Espozito
Fajer
Fatalis
Frostbyte
Mintberry Crunch
RLVG
Roflcopter
Slaol
TheDarkestLight

The game starts Night 0 at which time only actions allowed will be by any Jokers or Nurses present in the game. Any players with night chat will have access to those chats at this time.

Day 1 will start at this time. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2+pm+EST+1%2F13%2F13)

[creedkingsx]

Welcome
The day is bright, all is calm, the people are gathering here to have a meeting to what is right and what is wrong.

The people come to see a special notice posted.


People of this town. I demand that Damus_Graves be killed by the end of tomorrow's day or I will kill 2 people the following the night.
You must decide, kill 1 in order to save 2, or protect each other in hopes to find a solution.
Good Luck.

Players:
AppleyNO
Brendan
Cryptonic
Damus_Graves
Fajer
Fatalis
Frostbyte
Mintberry Crunch
Espozito
RLVG
Roflcopter
Slaol
TheDarkestLight

Remember, any Jailor type roles, please remember to pm your target at least an hour before Day ends.

Votes will only be excpeted used the Person method.

7

There is no skipping. If lynch occurs early, I will open the day chat at my earliest convenience. Night chats will not

open until the time below.

Night 1 will start at this time. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3pm+EST+1%2F14%2F13)

[Damus_Graves]

Son of a Bitch.

[Damus_Graves]

Do it. Get rid of me.

But I implore you this:

Pay attention to these players:

Brendan
Mintberry Crunch
AppleyNO
Frajer



Other than that very Good luck to you guys

[Damus_Graves]

Biggest Joker suspects for choosing me to be taken out:

AppleyNO
Mintberry Crunch
Fatalis (Somewhat)




I think we can rule out Cryptonic as Joker at this point.
IMO

[Damus_Graves]

Biggest Joker suspects for choosing me to be taken out:

AppleyNO
Mintberry Crunch
Fatalis (Somewhat)
Slaol




I think we can rule out Cryptonic as Joker at this point.
IMO

Added Slaol.

[AppleyNO]

Son of a Bitch.
Best reaction is best.

[AppleyNO]

Added Slaol.
Since we have nothing else to discuss thus far, why do you think these players are the most probable for being the Joker? Why rule out Cryptonic?

Also, I think we can rule that the Joker is a newer player. Why would you reveal that there is a Joker in the game this early? It makes no sense to me.

[Damus_Graves]

Slaol is my biggest Joker suspect atm.

AppleyNO being Joker = Too brazen.

[Damus_Graves]

Cyptonic is known to clash with me.
Since I was the first target of Joker = Not him for too much Brazenness. Makes no sense.

Slaol has praised my scumhunting/general play and rated me a high player and as such would benefit greatly if I get taken out early.


AppleyNO - I stole a win from him..

Mintberry Crunch - We clash since I call him a shitty player.

Fatalis - I unno. Just a feel that since I got targeted by Joker he could be it.

[AppleyNO]

Cyptonic is known to clash with me.
Since I was the first target of Joker = Not him for too much Brazenness. Makes no sense.

Slaol has praised my scumhunting/general play and rated me a high player and as such would benefit greatly if I get taken out early.


AppleyNO - I stole a win from him..

Mintberry Crunch - We clash since I call him a shitty player.

Fatalis - I unno. Just a feel that since I got targeted by Joker he could be it.
Okay then. So would you say that if you had a one shot day shot to save yourself, you would use it against.....

[AppleyNO]

Also I'm going to be playing some SC2 with my dad, so don't expect an immediate response.

[Damus_Graves]

Okay then. So would you say that if you had a one shot day shot to save yourself, you would use it against.....

:|

Read Day chat

[Jim]

I feel like Damus is the jester guy cus Creed is doing this to troll, by saying either we lynch him and have 2 people die or let him live and have 2 people die.
Mafia hit him at night so we can beat Creed's plan.

[Damus_Graves]

I feel like Damus is the jester guy cus Creed is doing this to troll, by saying either we lynch him and have 2 people die or let him live and have 2 people die.
Mafia hit him at night so we can beat Creed's plan.

You are either Town or Jester yourself.

[Damus_Graves]

You are either Town or Jester yourself.

I think.

Since you posted fairly close to day opening and posted on topic and made a post in town viewpoint.

[Jim]

I am citizen I got that Page 1 reveal swag.

[Damus_Graves]

I am citizen I got that Page 1 reveal swag.

I....Believe it.

[RLVG]

13 players minus 1 = 12.
3 mafia, 1 neutral, 8 town.


Are we to lynch Damus? Or are we to gamble that two scum dies?
It could also be an opturnity to waste the mafia's night kill by letting them kill Damus so their fear of loosing one mafia don't take over.

[Jim]

13 players minus 1 = 12.
3 mafia, 1 neutral, 8 town.


Are we to lynch Damus? Or are we to gamble that two scum dies?
It could also be an opturnity to waste the mafia's night kill by letting them kill Damus so their fear of loosing one mafia don't take over.

If mafia doesn't kill we would be forced to lynch him on D2 but I see no reason for them not to because it is a win win cituation in case he is jester.

[RLVG]

If mafia doesn't kill we would be forced to lynch him on D2 but I see no reason for them not to because it is a win win cituation in case he is jester.

Even better reason not to lynch Damus, forcing Mafia to kill him so that the two victims don't die.

Seeing that it's 3/1/8, let's round it to 4/8, I'll say it's a 33% chance to hit a scum if two are to die.



With that in mind, investigative roles should not visit Damus as he would be killed.

[Damus_Graves]

Town List:
Mintberry Crunch
Damus

[RLVG]

Town List:
Damus

Well, what is a towntell?

1. Town - willing to sacrifice self so town won't get killed. (Chance)
2. Mafia - willing to sacrifice self so mafia won't get killed. (Chance)
3. Jester - willing to sacrifice self to fuck everything up.

[Damus_Graves]

Well, what is a towntell?

1. Town - willing to sacrifice self so town won't get killed. (Chance)
2. Mafia - willing to sacrifice self so mafia won't get killed. (Chance)
3. Jester - willing to sacrifice self to fuck everything up.

Um are you slow or something?

Thats my viewpoint newb.

[RLVG]

Um are you slow or something?

Thats my viewpoint newb.

Naturally you would add yourself to the town list, regardless of alignment.

I'll lean towards non-mafia though since it would hurt too much with a mafia killed this early.

[Damus_Graves]

Naturally you would add yourself to the town list, regardless of alignment.

I'll lean towards non-mafia though since it would hurt too much with a mafia killed this early.

Sad.

Although this is a town post.
A bad town post. But a town post nontheless

[AppleyNO]

Even better reason not to lynch Damus, forcing Mafia to kill him so that the two victims don't die.

Seeing that it's 3/1/8, let's round it to 4/8, I'll say it's a 33% chance to hit a scum if two are to die.



With that in mind, investigative roles should not visit Damus as he would be killed.
What?

Why would the mafia waste their kill on Damus when they could easily just have the town lynch them on Day 2? We don't want 2 people to die, either. So in their eyes they would just kill someone else.

[Damus_Graves]

Your role is The Joker!
Select 1 person. This person's name will be announced to the town, along with the following message:
People of (town name). I demand that (name) be killed by the end of tomorrow's day or I will kill 2 people the following the night.
You must decide, kill 1 in order to save 2, or protect each other in hopes to find a solution.
Good Luck.
Select a new target when either:
1. The person previously selected is killed
or
2. the night following the death of 2 people of your choosing.

[Damus_Graves]

I'll lean towards non-mafia though since it would hurt too much with a mafia killed this early.

:|

[RLVG]

For some crazy reason, can the Joker select themselves?

[Roflcopter]

I'll talk if I need to, I am very happy to state, my role is not bodyguard!

[Damus_Graves]

It is official. RLVG is bad.
:p

[creedkingsx]

For some crazy reason, can the Joker select themselves?

Yes.

[Damus_Graves]

I'll talk if I need to, I am very happy to state, my role is not bodyguard!

I forget people have the misconception that they dont need to play the game they sign up for.

[Damus_Graves]

Oh.
Before I forget this:

I have bullets

[AppleyNO]

Oh.
Before I forget this:

I have bullets
?

there is no vigilante...

[RLVG]

I have bullets

SCUM

[creedkingsx]

Original Joker Role card (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/7331-Roles-Cthulhu-The-Joker?highlight=Joker), for those interested.

[creedkingsx]

I am off for work. I will check in with my phone to try to answer any questions but my phone can be difficult at times. I will be back in approximately 5 and a half hours.

[Damus_Graves]

SCUM

Wow you are shortsighted.

I feel bad for you.

[RLVG]

Wow you are shortsighted.

I feel bad for you.

What town role has bullets?

[Fajer]

damus tell me why you think i'm a bad guy?
i don't think it's smart handing out names without meaning espesially when you get them wrong :D

[Cryptonic]

Hey guys, I'm a super important town power role.
I think damus should claim and everyone should use the Spy to PM me their roles.

We will decide if damus is worth losing, or if we should save him and risk the joker's attacks tonight.

[AppleyNO]

Hey guys, I'm a super important town power role.
I think damus should claim
Lol. Crypt.. you always do that xD

And I don't see why not.

[Jim]

I claimed Page 1 so I am most important town so far.

[RLVG]

Hey guys, I'm a super important town power role.
I think damus should claim and everyone should use the Spy to PM me their roles.

We will decide if damus is worth losing, or if we should save him and risk the joker's attacks tonight.

Inb4 Interrogator.

[Cryptonic]

Inb4 Interrogator.

maybe i'm jailor and i am using these PMs to confirm info in jail.
thanks to those who sent creed the PM to PM their roles, still waiting on the others.

[AppleyNO]

maybe i'm jailor and i am using these PMs to confirm info in jail.
thanks to those who sent creed the PM to PM their roles, still waiting on the others.
creed said he wouldn't be here for 5 hours. How could he process the PM's. And you wouldn't openly claim jailor like that.

Crypt is obviously trying to collect everyone's role, and is willing to lie to get them....
Cryptonic

[RLVG]

maybe i'm jailor and i am using these PMs to confirm info in jail.
thanks to those who sent creed the PM to PM their roles, still waiting on the others.

Who've actually PM'd you?

[Cryptonic]

Godfather
Consigliere
Drug Dealer

Sheriff
Doctor
Lookout/Detective
Jailor
Bus Driver/Bodyguard
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Joker

Nurse

is my guess on roles list so far with the information i've been given.

[Cryptonic]

creed said he wouldn't be here for 5 hours. How could he process the PM's. And you wouldn't openly claim jailor like that.

Crypt is obviously trying to collect everyone's role, and is willing to lie to get them....
Cryptonic

damnit appley, you were supposed to let it go on for a bit longer LOL
unvote me, i'm currently pro-town

[RLVG]

Godfather
Consigliere
Drug Dealer

Sheriff
Doctor
Lookout/Detective
Jailor
Bus Driver/Bodyguard
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Joker

Nurse

is my guess on roles list so far with the information i've been given.

Are you the jester? No way you can get that much information in so short time.

[Cryptonic]

Are you the jester? No way you can get that much information in so short time.

no, if i were jester, you'd already be dead.

[AppleyNO]

damnit appley, you were supposed to let it go on for a bit longer LOL
unvote me, i'm currently pro-town
How have your actions been remotely pro-town??

[RLVG]

you'd already be dead.

COME AT ME BRO

[Cryptonic]

How have your actions been remotely pro-town??

ok, here is the full story.
I am NURSE. I was trying to get attention to myself to get attacked because I am night immune and witht he information I was trying to find a good target to inject tonight.

Then, when making that role list, I discovered I'm Benign Neutral. WHAT!?!?!?! This whole time I thought I was town lmao. Anyways, I win with any faction, so If you want to get juiced tonight, PM creed to PM me your role and I may decide to juice you. If you want to lynch me, I will be sad, but I kind of have it coming with how that started. lmao =[

WHY IS NURSE NEUTRAL I AM SO SAD NOW.

I didn't juice anybody night 0 because I thought I might juice scum and didn't want to risk it. If I had known, I would've done it anyways lol.

I win with any faction.

[Cryptonic]

i'm quite embarrassed

[AppleyNO]

So now the question is, Do we lynch the nurse?

There are multiple drawbacks and benefits to lynching a nurse claimer.

[RLVG]

ok, here is the full story.
I am NURSE. I was trying to get attention to myself to get attacked because I am night immune and witht he information I was trying to find a good target to inject tonight.

Then, when making that role list, I discovered I'm Benign Neutral. WHAT!?!?!?! This whole time I thought I was town lmao. Anyways, I win with any faction, so If you want to get juiced tonight, PM creed to PM me your role and I may decide to juice you. If you want to lynch me, I will be sad, but I kind of have it coming with how that started. lmao =[

WHY IS NURSE NEUTRAL I AM SO SAD NOW.

I didn't juice anybody night 0 because I thought I might juice scum and didn't want to risk it. If I had known, I would've done it anyways lol.

I win with any faction.

Why the fuck did you act like this as a town? (At least until the realisation)
Why do you contradict yourself with the two statements?

Cryptonic

I'd rather deal with a jester early instead of late, it could also be scum WIFOM'ing jester.

[Cryptonic]

lol go ahead and lynch me. i'd rather not have that happen though, but if it's what you must do.
i didn't contradict myself, i was just saying it could be good to keep me around as I may now be favorable to town if they let me live.

[AppleyNO]

I think its incredibly scummy to ask for everyone's roles, lie, and then claim nurse. It feels like he is covering for himself.

I do want others opinions, cause I may be missing something. But for now I support the Cryptonic lynch. Even though RLVG takes the two bolded statements out of context.

[RLVG]

lol go ahead and lynch me. i'd rather not have that happen though, but if it's what you must do.
i didn't contradict myself, i was just saying it could be good to keep me around as I may now be favorable to town if they let me live.

You contradict yourself.

1. You said you were making a list based on information.
2. Making the list, you discovered you werren't town but a neutral benign.
3. You said you didn't target someone Night 0 because you feared they would be scum.
4. You didn't get information until Day 1 when you requested PM's for roles.

Based on the short amount of time and the fact none would even tell you their roles, it's a blatant lie.



My vote remains.

[Jim]

You contradict yourself.

1. You said you were making a list based on information.
2. Making the list, you discovered you werren't town but a neutral benign.
3. You said you didn't target someone Night 0 because you feared they would be scum.
4. You didn't get information until Day 1 when you requested PM's for roles.

Based on the short amount of time and the fact none would even tell you their roles, it's a blatant lie.



My vote remains.

I pm'd him my role.

[RLVG]

I pm'd him my role.

"41 Minutes Ago" he requested everyone to PM him.

You expect everyone to PM him in less then a hour?



Too little information.

[AppleyNO]

You contradict yourself.

1. You said you were making a list based on information.
2. Making the list, you discovered you werren't town but a neutral benign.
3. You said you didn't target someone Night 0 because you feared they would be scum.
4. You didn't get information until Day 1 when you requested PM's for roles.

Based on the short amount of time and the fact none would even tell you their roles, it's a blatant lie.



My vote remains.
All he was claiming was that he thought he was town Night 0, so he didn't juice anyone. After creating a list and putting his role in it, he found it was benign neutral.

The truth in that claim is probably zero. But still.

[AppleyNO]

Oh and your right about the list and getting PMed roles. That is total BS.

[Fajer]

i agree.
if damus has an inportant role it could be usefull.
and the joker can still kill maf if we are lucky.

[Fajer]

oops, i missed alot of posts :D nvm

[Fajer]

night action 0 for nurse isnt for any use, becasue only the nurse and joker can make their actions night 0.
or
does the injection make people being able to do their action night 0. in that case he is speaking the truth i guess because nobody has said they have gotten to do anything yet.
(reminder) damus hasnt claimed role yet.

[TheDarkestLight]

oops, i missed alot of posts :D nvm

I don't like happy people. That smiley disturbs me.

[AppleyNO]

night action 0 for nurse isnt for any use, becasue only the nurse and joker can make their actions night 0.
or
does the injection make people being able to do their action night 0. in that case he is speaking the truth i guess because nobody has said they have gotten to do anything yet.
(reminder) damus hasnt claimed role yet.
It allows the person to make 2 actions the night after injection.

[AppleyNO]

I don't like happy people. That smiley disturbs me.
Do you have anything else to add?

[TheDarkestLight]

Do you have anything else to add?

Give me a good 3-7 minutes to read over and I might.

[AppleyNO]

Give me a good 3-7 minutes to read over and I might.
Ok then

[TheDarkestLight]

I'm confused to why the Joker would reveal himself this early. I would think the Joker benefits from the double kill at night due to the fact that he can kill twice as many. Although he can completey shut down the town by controlling the lynches through the Towns fear of losing more than they would otherwise. Yet I would think a smart Joker would lay low for a while and perhaps make people think there is another evil role, like Devourer, SK or Cultist.

On the Cryptonic thing I am not sure, I haven't played any games with him so I can't tell if he is lying or not.

[Roflcopter]

Assuming this isn't an elaborate scheme by the mafia, a nurse claimer that wishes to be pro-town would be a very retarded lynch, rlvg may be scummy or bad. For one, the nurse can be proven tomorrow, and the only way for the nurse to die is by a lynch that only scum would want to pull off since the nurse cannot be killed at night. A town sided nurse would be one of of the best things for us.

[AppleyNO]

Assuming this isn't an elaborate scheme by the mafia, a nurse claimer that wishes to be pro-town would be a very retarded lynch, rlvg may be scummy or bad. For one, the nurse can be proven tomorrow, and the only way for the nurse to die is by a lynch that only scum would want to pull off since the nurse cannot be killed at night. A town sided nurse would be one of of the best things for us.
A nurse claimer who lied to the town repeatedly?

We also have no proof that the nurse would side with us.

[Cryptonic]

I agree with Roflcopter. I thought that about RLVG earlier, but thought bringing it up would encourage a lynch on me.

[Damus_Graves]

:|

This day Chat hurts my head


Town List:
Damus
Mintberry Crunch
TheDarkestLight *Partly*

[TheDarkestLight]

:|

This day Chat hurts my head


Town List:
Damus
Mintberry Crunch
TheDarkestLight *Partly*

The chat hurts my eyes because I lost my glasses and have to squint or get right next to the monitor to see anything.

[Roflcopter]

Lies or not, it's not exactly hard for the nurse to prove himself...

I have some doubt but lynching is out of the question until tomorrow.

[AppleyNO]

Lies or not, it's not exactly hard for the nurse to prove himself...

I have some doubt but lynching is out of the question until tomorrow.

Fine. We will things your way. No lynching crypt. I just hope he will return the favor.

[Slaol]

Hey guys. Sorry I'm a bit late. Bitches needed taking to the airport.
I'll post some thoughts in a few minutes on computer. iPad is annoying to type extended shit on.

[Slaol]

K, cool. Real keyboard.

So, simple early day thoughts.


Was pretty sure Joker would be in game.
Am pretty sure only 1 of Devourer/Jailor/Interogator exists. (obviously with Devourer now being not possible)
Damus is not necessarily Town, could even be one hell of a bold Joker lol.
Regardless of what he is I think it is clear we don't lynch and wait for some answers tomorrow. Does Joker get a target tonight if Damus is lynched?
Damus did mention my 'praise' of his scum hunting as a reason to suspect me as Joker, but disregards my accusation that he is an improvingly hidden scum. A bold move with Joker targetting himself seems possible.
That said- Mint is the Joker. He accuses Creed of making Damus the Jester and putting the Joker on him? Doesn't Joker choose his own nigs?
I kind of trust RLVG. Kind of.
Cryptonic is either one freaking genius, or is about to enjoy the most pointless game. Invincible Benign with no win requirement other than live... Why? lol


Anyway, my lead is that Mint is Joker. That, and I find the Neutral-Invincible-Nurse role to be basically the most pointless role ever. Well done Creed :P

[Slaol]

Does Joker get a target tonight if Damus is lynched?

Meant to green this.

[Damus_Graves]

K, cool. Real keyboard.

So, simple early day thoughts.


Was pretty sure Joker would be in game.
Am pretty sure only 1 of Devourer/Jailor/Interogator exists. (obviously with Devourer now being not possible)
Damus is not necessarily Town, could even be one hell of a bold Joker lol.
Regardless of what he is I think it is clear we don't lynch and wait for some answers tomorrow. Does Joker get a target tonight if Damus is lynched?
Damus did mention my 'praise' of his scum hunting as a reason to suspect me as Joker, but disregards my accusation that he is an improvingly hidden scum. A bold move with Joker targetting himself seems possible.
That said- Mint is the Joker. He accuses Creed of making Damus the Jester and putting the Joker on him? Doesn't Joker choose his own nigs?
I kind of trust RLVG. Kind of.
Cryptonic is either one freaking genius, or is about to enjoy the most pointless game. Invincible Benign with no win requirement other than live... Why? lol


Anyway, my lead is that Mint is Joker. That, and I find the Neutral-Invincible-Nurse role to be basically the most pointless role ever. Well done Creed :P

I didn't disregard it. I ignored it :D

Cause I'm town

[Cryptonic]

Does sloal seem scummy to anybody else?

[Jim]

Does sloal seem scummy to anybody else?

Ya, he said I was Joker just cus I don't read the role cards.

[Damus_Graves]

Slaol

[Slaol]

Ya, he said I was Joker just cus I don't read the role cards.

Why wouldn't you read role cards?

[Slaol]

I didn't disregard it. I ignored it :D

Cause I'm town

Disregard..... Ignore.... Lol.
I also said it could be you playing some gambit, but then say I am pretty sure Mint is awful.

[Slaol]

You try to be an untrolly town for the first time and people think you are scum. Lol

[Jim]

Slaol you called the confirmed Citizen a Joker, also my play style is going in blind with guns blazing and having an unexpectedly high win %.

[Cryptonic]

Lol mint.
Anyways Slaol
Claims he's playing differently.. Probably Because he's not town this game.

[Slaol]

Lol mint.
Anyways Slaol
Claims he's playing differently.. Probably Because he's not town this game.

Wicked sick logics, but I am expected to remain in a single strategy that even my allies find obnoxious and makes it hard to take my leads seriously even when they are legit? Lol

[Jim]

Slaol
Only mafia and mayor takes their role seriously, and I don't see a mayor in the possibilities.

[Slaol]

Slaol
Only mafia and mayor takes their role seriously, and I don't see a mayor in the possibilities.

Well, fine. I will have to wait for the next FM with anon accounts to change strategy and be taken seriously with it. Screw you guys, I'm goin' home.

[creedkingsx]

Does Joker get a target tonight if Damus is lynched?

Meant to green this.

No. His target has to be dead by the end of the next day for him to make his 2 kills and select a new target.

[Cryptonic]

Maybe you shouldn't have started a gimmic after 1 game

[Slaol]

Maybe you shouldn't have started a gimmic after 1 game

Dude, that was after 1 day. Are you even trying?

[Cryptonic]

Dude, that was after 1 day. Are you even trying?

I'm saying every game you play the same way; aka a gimmic.
You are also always town.
You are now playing differently.
So, you probably aren't town.

Plus, all I have to do is not get lynched, why would I try?

[Espozito]

Hello to everyone, Have just read everything happening and here are my thoughts:

Joker must be a veteran player who had a game or two with Damus to pick him as target. I think that Damus is town and he is one of the best players I've ever seen here. Joker chose him knowing that there is low chance we lynch him and that provides him 2 attacks. Smart move, but we can count out a few players by that: Damus, who of presenting players in this FM haven't ever played with you in other FMs?

Just versions who could be the Joker: Fatalis, MintBerry Crunch, Brendan, Cryptonic. But since Cryptonic plays his nursey style, I can't determine either he tells the truth or not.
Alignment of the role appears by its color in creed's role card PM and still Cryptonic didn't see the "Nurse" word being NOT GREEN? That makes me think Crypt has some fishy PM in his Inbox.

Haven't posted: Brendan, Frostbyte.

Also Damus mentioned in his 2nd post that we can get rid of him. Either that was dramatic or he knows he is not so useful Town, probably he rolled Citizen.
Mint's early claim makes me trust him.

Strange thing is I don't understand what was so scummy in Slaol's posts?

Also we have to pay attention to those who obviously work in groups and to loners. "Siders" are the most suspicous to be Joker (or at least scum). Siders are the players who don't usually make their opinions for long but when some accusion with vote appears, they side with the voter, "Agreeing with his idea".

Result:

1. There's no freaking way we lynch Damus today. Even if he isn't PR, he is very contributive townie that will totally help us to get scum later.
2. Sheriff should check Cryptonic.
3. MintBerry and Damus are both Citizens in my eyes.
4. FoS: Fatalis, Frostbyte (unless I see posts from him), Brendan (same), Slaol (trainlynch).

I don't vote. Not today, lack of clues.

[Damus_Graves]

AppleyNO and RLVG have a slight tie together

[Brendan]

lol i didn't know day started.

[Damus_Graves]

lol i didn't know day started.

Scum located

[Damus_Graves]

Brendan

[Fatalis]

hey guys I claim super important role :3

Also tbh we can't really get much leads from the Joker choosing Damus, most of the players here know that Damus got MVP for some games and is a generally good player. Though I believe this means that Fajer and TheDarkestLight is less likely since they are relatively new players. There are just so many players here possible to target Damus that it's obsolete no matter how we think of it


I've seen Damus/Slaol/Crypt's playstyle b4 and they are town then, though of course it could change now. Brendan and Espozito is harder to read since I haven't played with Espo as I remember and Brendan is just scummy 24/7.


However with that said, Creed was in S-FM Christmas! and he would probably love to put AppleyNO/MintBerry Crunch as the Joker, knowing that they would probably target Damus.


With the Cryptonic case, he's much too trolly, definately not Citizen though. And possibly Nurse since Nurse is super OP with that win condition... or jester... or mafia/joker trying to make people underestimate him as Nurse...

From what I know about Creed, he would probably put the better players as scum though




I'm having a bad fever so I'm sorry if what I say don't make sense (hopefully it's not H5N1, there's a lot of people getting infected and I don't want to die ;( )

[AppleyNO]

(hopefully it's not H5N1, there's a lot of people getting infected and I don't want to die ;( )
Don't die baby!

[AppleyNO]

lol i didn't know day started.
Lol great contribution. I can see it took you a long time to read and come up with some very detailed reads. I appreciate you taking the time to type that out.


As Damus said, "Scum located"

[Fatalis]

Lol great contribution. I can see it took you a long time to read and come up with some very detailed reads. I appreciate you taking the time to type that out.


As Damus said, "Scum located"

Why do I get a strong feeling that you are the Joker

[AppleyNO]

Why do I get a strong feeling that you are the Joker
Because instead of adding something real to the discussion, I instead repeated what Damus said in a very condescending and derogatory manner.

[Fatalis]

Because instead of adding something real to the discussion, I instead repeated what Damus said in a very condescending and derogatory manner.

That, and something else..

What do you think about Crypt's claim? You've talked about Crypt's act a lot but you haven't specified your thoughts about his claim being a nurse

[AppleyNO]

Hello to everyone, Have just read everything happening and here are my thoughts:

Joker must be a veteran player who had a game or two with Damus to pick him as target. I think that Damus is town and he is one of the best players I've ever seen here. Joker chose him knowing that there is low chance we lynch him and that provides him 2 attacks. Smart move, but we can count out a few players by that: Damus, who of presenting players in this FM haven't ever played with you in other FMs?

Just versions who could be the Joker: Fatalis, MintBerry Crunch, Brendan, Cryptonic. But since Cryptonic plays his nursey style, I can't determine either he tells the truth or not.
Alignment of the role appears by its color in creed's role card PM and still Cryptonic didn't see the "Nurse" word being NOT GREEN? That makes me think Crypt has some fishy PM in his Inbox.

Haven't posted: Brendan, Frostbyte.

Also Damus mentioned in his 2nd post that we can get rid of him. Either that was dramatic or he knows he is not so useful Town, probably he rolled Citizen.
Mint's early claim makes me trust him.

Strange thing is I don't understand what was so scummy in Slaol's posts?

Also we have to pay attention to those who obviously work in groups and to loners. "Siders" are the most suspicous to be Joker (or at least scum). Siders are the players who don't usually make their opinions for long but when some accusion with vote appears, they side with the voter, "Agreeing with his idea".

Result:

1. There's no freaking way we lynch Damus today. Even if he isn't PR, he is very contributive townie that will totally help us to get scum later.
2. Sheriff should check Cryptonic.
3. MintBerry and Damus are both Citizens in my eyes.
4. FoS: Fatalis, Frostbyte (unless I see posts from him), Brendan (same), Slaol (trainlynch).

I don't vote. Not today, lack of clues.
I seriously do not know who wouldn't target Damus. Although players that Damus posted probably have a higher chance of targeting Damus.

On Crypt, getting some sleep has made me realize that as long as he is helping Town, he is A-okay. Since scum can't kill him, the only thing for him to die is Joker target or town lynch. So he should listen to our directives.

Siding with people without adding something that you believe are the sign of either a scum player or a bad town player. I would support pressuring sheep players. (Lol)

[Fatalis]

Also 90% possiblity we have a spy, so I strongly encourage people to use their special mechanics(I'm still thinking about how I'm going to use it)

[AppleyNO]

What do you think about Crypt's claim? You've talked about Crypt's act a lot but you haven't specified your thoughts about his claim being a nurse

On Crypt, getting some sleep has made me realize that as long as he is helping Town, he is A-okay. Since scum can't kill him, the only thing for him to die is Joker target or town lynch. So he should listen to our directives.

Just typed it out xD

[RLVG]

hey guys I claim super important role :3

Hi SherJaiSpy.


I seriously do not know who wouldn't target Damus. Although players that Damus posted probably have a higher chance of targeting Damus.

Don't forget the conspiracy theory that the Joker can self target.

[AppleyNO]

Don't forget the conspiracy theory that the Joker can self target.
So as a town, tomorrow we would have to make the decision to either lynch Damus or take the 2 person loss.

It would be way too risky for a Joker to do something like that. IMO

[RLVG]

So as a town, tomorrow we would have to make the decision to either lynch Damus or take the 2 person loss.

It would be way too risky for a Joker to do something like that. IMO

Once it has been pulled off however, it's a possibility that the handpicked victim are "innocent".

As for the 2 person loss, don't forget that there's a 33% chance for hitting scum.

[Damus_Graves]

I am not the Joker morons.

[creedkingsx]

Attention.
Irrelevant information.
Song of the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z25pGEGBM4&list=PL9353A2960278C7FC

Compliments of the great, Oops_ur_dead.

[Damus_Graves]

Attention.
Irrelevant information.
Song of the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z25pGEGBM4&list=PL9353A2960278C7FC

Compliments of the great, Oops_ur_dead.

ESP I FOUND A CLUE!

THIS MEANS BRENDAN IS MAFIA!

[Damus_Graves]

Creed did you random or handpick?

[Damus_Graves]

I would just like to point out that the only reason you guys suspect me is because of the last game that just ended.

[Damus_Graves]

HELPFUL HINT GUYS:

MAFIA WILL BE THE THIRD VOTER ON A TOWN MISLYNCH TRAIN.

[Espozito]

So, I'm back and now I have good thoughts about who works here alone and who sides with someone (that will help us find those players who play together in a team).
The main idea is that players from different "teams" contribute with each other or against each other. Members of same mafia team (as I have realised from my last games) rarely or never contribute to each other:

Fatalis and AppleyNO have shown that they are not in same team (I mean not town/maf, i mean maf/maf) in posts 110-112.
Damus is town for me, so it's no use to repost his FoS targets.
RLVG argued with Damus a little (post 23-26)
AppleyNO also argued with RLVG (post 27)
In Post 20 Mint said his opinion about RLVG's idea wich makes them not teammates.
RLVG asked question about Joker to know if Damus can be bluffing Joker targeting himself (30). This totally makes it sure that Damus and RLVG are not friends and RLVG isnt Joker.
Fajer didn't contribute much, but I don't know his playing style and he doesn't seem to be connected to anyone.
RLVG accused Crypt (46)
Appley doesn't trust Crypt (48)

That makes the following:

Damus_Graves (I trust him)
MintBerry Crunch (Damus trusts him)
Espozito (I trust them)

AppleyNO (I think he is town. Quite contributive and senseful)

Fatalis (I have different thoughts about him)

RLVG (is scum in my eyes, but not Joker)

Fajer (possibility of Joker)
SuperJack
Roflcopter (Don't know why but I feel him as Joker)
Brendan (these guys have no trust from me as they didn't contribute or made useless posts, I bet one of them is scum)


My present FoS:

RLVG
Brendan
Roflcopter
SuperJack
Fajer

[Espozito]

ESP I FOUND A CLUE!

THIS MEANS BRENDAN IS MAFIA!

How?

[Damus_Graves]

How?

It doesn't.

Here is what I see:

RLVG and AppelyNO are too eerily in agreement. If one is Mafia good odds the other is Mafia (Viewpoint ATM)
Brendan is mafia due to his single post that was on topic but lack of following it up with more posts about the convo that has gone on before and after his post.
Esp is Town. Nuff said.
Mintberry Crunch is Citizen atm.
Frajer is a Town PR or WIFOM'd Town PR.

[Damus_Graves]

Also see:

AppleyNO or Fatalis is mafia as well.

[Damus_Graves]

Also see:

AppleyNO or Fatalis is mafia as well.

If Brendan is mafia of course

[AppleyNO]

It doesn't.

Here is what I see:

RLVG and AppelyNO are too eerily in agreement. If one is Mafia good odds the other is Mafia (Viewpoint ATM)
Brendan is mafia due to his single post that was on topic but lack of following it up with more posts about the convo that has gone on before and after his post.
Esp is Town. Nuff said.
Mintberry Crunch is Citizen atm.
Frajer is a Town PR or WIFOM'd Town PR.
I would disagree. I at first agreed with lynching crypt, but I questioned some of his reasoning. I have since then retracted my statment.

I would agree that Esp is throwing off some sweet Town vibes.

Mint? I'm on edge about him being citizen, but I guess it could be true, considering I can't think of what else he would be. xD

Frajer is a PR or WIFOM PR? That I have to disagree with you there. I just think he a newbie who isn't sure how to play yet. I have a null read on him.

[AppleyNO]

If Brendan is mafia of course
Brendan is legit scummy.

Why Myself or Fatalis?

[Damus_Graves]

I would disagree. I at first agreed with lynching crypt, but I questioned some of his reasoning. I have since then retracted my statment.

I would agree that Esp is throwing off some sweet Town vibes.

Mint? I'm on edge about him being citizen, but I guess it could be true, considering I can't think of what else he would be. xD

Frajer is a PR or WIFOM PR? That I have to disagree with you there. I just think he a newbie who isn't sure how to play yet. I have a null read on him.

His post response to me shows that he does not want to lime light and I got a townish read off it.

PR or WIFOM PR.

[Damus_Graves]

Brendan is legit scummy.

Why Myself or Fatalis?

You brought my callout to further light and agreed but have not voted.

Fatalis subtly defended him by calling you scum in an effort to distract

[AppleyNO]

You brought my callout to further light and agreed but have not voted.
Making myself more scummy by voting after I have been called out on it!

No pain on voting a scummy person. Besides its now L-5. Long way off.
Brendan

[Damus_Graves]

Making myself more scummy by voting after I have been called out on it!

No pain on voting a scummy person. Besides its now L-5. Long way off.
Brendan

You're welcome.

[Fatalis]

You brought my callout to further light and agreed but have not voted.

Fatalis subtly defended him by calling you scum in an effort to distract

Who's "him"? mr joker's target sir

[Damus_Graves]

Who's "him"? mr joker's target sir

Brendan Mr. Discredit and make others look stupid so my allies fly under the radar sir.

[Espozito]

If Brendan is mafia of course

Can't agree. Appley agreed with your opinion about Brendan being scum
("Scum located")
That makes him having no connection with Brendan. I trust Appley.

[Damus_Graves]

Can't agree. Appley agreed with your opinion about Brendan being scum
("Scum located")
That makes him having no connection with Brendan. I trust Appley.

But the point is he didn't vote him until I called him out on it.

[Espozito]

Omg! I've forgot about Slaol! Sorry, but I think that is due to I have nothing to say about him. Either I've messed something or I'm really bad at deduction.

For now I think Fatalis and Brendan can be both mafs.

Brendan

If he is mafia, Fatalis is next. And RLVG.

[Espozito]

But the point is he didn't vote him until I called him out on it.

Oh, got it. And still I have doubts. Appley looks town for me. Let's wait and see then.

[RLVG]

Omg! I've forgot about Slaol! Sorry, but I think that is due to I have nothing to say about him. Either I've messed something or I'm really bad at deduction.

For now I think Fatalis and Brendan can be both mafs.

Brendan

If he is mafia, Fatalis is next. And RLVG.



Claim dismissed, I'm not mafia.

He lurks too much imo.
Brendan

[Fatalis]

Brendan Mr. Discredit and make others look stupid so my allies fly under the radar sir.

omg you caught me! I'm mafia, my teammates is Damus_Graves and AppleyNO
GGNORE

[Fatalis]

Claim dismissed, I'm not mafia.

He lurks too much imo.
Brendan

anyone can say that you know

[Fatalis]

Also I'm going to start talking with special font+colors because I'm freaking bored and can't do anything but stay in bed

[AppleyNO]

Claim dismissed, I'm not mafia.

He lurks too much imo.
Brendan
Lol what? Thats clears you just as much as my voting clears me...

It doesn't.

[RLVG]

Also I'm going to start talking with special font+colors because I'm freaking bored and can't do anything but stay in bed

Download some random emulator and play retro games, then.

[AppleyNO]

omg you caught me! I'm mafia, my teammates is Damus_Graves and AppleyNO
GGNORE
OMG YOU SHOULD HAVE WAITED! I WANTED TO SURRENDER FOR OUR TEAM, SINCE WE NOW HOW MUCH OF A TRATIOR DAMUS IS!

xD

/troll

[AppleyNO]

now? Did I really type "now"

know*


Anyway /spam /troll

[RLVG]

Lol what? Thats clears you just as much as my voting clears me...

It doesn't.

I don't intend to have the vote clear me, I just say in general I'm not mafia. I've read and didn't say the follow message : "It's funny how I'm a suspected non-joker scum."

[Fatalis]

Download some random emulator and play retro games, then.

I'm on a 11 win streak on SC2

[AppleyNO]

I don't intend to have the vote clear me, I just say in general I'm not mafia. I've read and didn't say the follow message : "It's funny how I'm a suspected non-joker scum."
You implied that you were in no way connected to Brendan and Fatalis by voting Brendan with quote "Claim Dismissed, I'm not mafia. *Votes*" since we were voting Brendan for being scummy and assuming mafia.

[AppleyNO]

I'm on a 11 win streak on SC2
You want to pla....

wait nvm T.T

[Fatalis]

Damnit! forgot my special font

[RLVG]

I'm on a 11 win streak on SC2

While sick? Can't believe.

[Fatalis]

While sick? Can't believe.

Come online and see ;P

Also Brendan
Yeah.. (a typically)lurkiing people ain't gonna help us

[Fatalis]

While sick? Can't believe.

Come online and see ;P

Also Brendan
Yeah.. (a typically)lurkiing people ain't gonna help us

[RLVG]

Come online and see ;P

Also Brendan
Yeah.. (a typically)lurkiing people ain't gonna help us

Forever EU alone.

[Fatalis]

I want to contribute, but I can't really think of anything T.T Have you guys as town ever been in one of those moments?

[Damus_Graves]

You will stop voting Brendan untill closer to day end.
Anyone who violates that rule is scum.

[Fatalis]

You will stop voting Brendan untill closer to day end.
Anyone who violates that rule is scum.

Since when are you confirmed town? You sure are acting like one!

[RLVG]

I want to contribute, but I can't really think of anything T.T Have you guys as town ever been in one of those moments?

Sometimes I just want to say my role and say "I'm fucking awesome, I'm X role." and instead I do nothing of value.





You will stop voting Brendan untill closer to day end.
Anyone who violates that rule is scum.

If I unvote, X would say I'm scummy. How about the vote stays and none votes further?

[AppleyNO]

Maybe it is common sense not to hammer someone way before day ends?

[AppleyNO]

Maybe it is common sense not to hammer someone way before day ends?
Although we have 8 hours left.

[Fatalis]

I'm going to have dinner! Peace yo

I CLAIM DOCTOR LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLo , seriously, I'm really sick

[RLVG]

I'm going to have dinner! Peace yo

I CLAIM DOCTOR LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLo , seriously, I'm really sick


... SUPERVISION



I'm going to have dinner! Peace yo

I CLAIM DOCTOR LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLo , seriously, I'm really sick

[Damus_Graves]

I dont like the buddying of Appley with me..

[AppleyNO]

I dont like the buddying of Appley with me..
What do you mean?

All I stated was the obvious. Brendan is L-2, do not hammer him yet.

That is something that any FM player would follow O.o

[Cryptonic]

I bet $4.93 that creed made damus scum :3

[RLVG]

I bet $4.93 that creed made damus scum :3

Encouraging to lynch him, eh?

[Cryptonic]

Encouraging to lynch him, eh?

You'd rather have 2 town die tonight? Scum.

[RLVG]

You'd rather have 2 town die tonight? Scum.

There's a 33% chance of hitting a scum out of the 2X dead.

[AppleyNO]

Ya know, the Joker kills two people the night after this one.

It gives us two days to find the Joker/lynch his target.

If we lynch Damus tonight, the Joker can just pick a new target, and where would that get us?

[RLVG]

Ya know, the Joker kills two people the night after this one.

It gives us two days to find the Joker/lynch his target.

If we lynch Damus tonight, the Joker can just pick a new target, and where would that get us?

Well, unless the mafia kills the joker.

[AppleyNO]

Well, unless the mafia kills the joker.
Which is a rather low chance. I wouldn't count on anything from the mafia.

[Cryptonic]

What? No way. I'm sure he gets 2 kills tonight then picks another target tomorrow night.

[Cryptonic]

Yep, he gets to kill 2 people tonight, not tomorrow night.
Damus acts town btw, him being scum was just silly meta.

Appley seems really scummy this game.
So does Slaol

[Cryptonic]

Now who's lying to town?
AppleyNO

[Cryptonic]

wait i think i read it wrong, it's hard when i'm on phone. gimme 2 seconds to get to my desk and look it up.
for now

[Cryptonic]

pff by the end of TOMORROW'S day. Missed that part.
Well ok, Appley ain't a liar, but still, this makes the joker weak, he should have 1 kpn, not 2(n-1) kpn or whatever he has

[Fajer]

FINALLY, schools a BITCH. i'm back to heaven and have now read whole chat, sweet.
yes AppelyNO i am newbie so tell me what town PR is? ( i have read role list so i'm not ignorant)

i dont think we should vote brendan today maybe tomorrow i also think he is some kind of scum.
in general i'd say we don't count damus away yet even tho i think he's green.
and roflcopter seems pretty scummy but that's maybe because he hasn't got so much opinions.
i'll definetly be more active next day(maf day) had some activities today.

[Fajer]

SHIT i meant should'nt oh man i'm lucky i saw that :D

[Fajer]

i should kill myself. . . .
this is what i meant:
we shouldn't kill brendan today, my opinion is that we keep an eye on him untill tomorrow

[Cryptonic]

ok so fajer is scum

[RLVG]

ok so fajer is scum

That, or simply a newbie that wants to attempt wifom.



Fajer, this is the answer of what you asked :
PR = Power Role, non-citizen town.

[Cryptonic]

i dont think we should vote brendan today maybe tomorrow i also think he is some kind of scum.

i think brendan is scum, but i don't think we should lynch him lol

[creedkingsx]

pff by the end of TOMORROW'S day. Missed that part.
Well ok, Appley ain't a liar, but still, this makes the joker weak, he should have 1 kpn, not 2(n-1) kpn or whatever he has

He technically does have 1 KPN, assuming town doesn't kill who he announced. H?e gets 2 kills every 2 nights.

[creedkingsx]

Creed did you random or handpick?

I really shouldn't answer this.
I did a mix of the two.

[creedkingsx]

Exactly 8 minutes (http://www.timeanddate.com/) remaining.

[creedkingsx]

Tally:
Brendan (5 [L-2]): AppleyNO, RLVG, Damus_Graves, Espozito, Fatalis
Slaol (1 [L-6]): MintBerry Crunch

[Cryptonic]

I really shouldn't answer this.
I did a mix of the two.

but he picks a person, second night does nothing, third night kills 2 people? so 3 nights he kills 2 people? :o is this how Joker works?

[creedkingsx]

The town dispursed as people began to realize the tragedy that was about to fall upon them. Many people headed to bed with the hopes of seeing another day.

To some's dismay, there was No Lynch today.

Night will end at this time (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4%3A30+pm+EST+1%2F15%2F13).

Please submit night actions at least a half hour before then.

[creedkingsx]

I am still missing a few night actions. The night is just over halfway through, consider this a friendly reminder.

[creedkingsx]

Day 2

The town woke up early morning and begun to gather.
Discussion took place immediately as the question was raised, "Why has nobody died?"

The daunting task of succumbing to The Joker's demands rests on the minds of the town as they gather to meet.

8

Day will end at this time (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5pm+EST+1%2F16%2F13)

Current Players:
Players:
AppleyNO
Brendan
Cryptonic
Damus_Graves
Espozito
Fajer
Fatalis
Frostbyte
Mintberry Crunch
RLVG
Roflcopter
Slaol
TheDarkestLight

Graveyard:
Forever Alone :D

[RLVG]

Did maf hit the nurse? Did a doc heal someone? Did a jailor get the correct guy? Did the jailed victim get protected somehow? Did maf forget to submit a night action?

Also, who the fuck is the crier?

[Fajer]

my name is FAJER goddamit!!!
nothing happend to me this night exept from that crier message.

really werid that not a single kill occured

escort must of blocked joker and doc healed mafia target or something like that. (or joker didnt kill so escort target gets lynched. . . . just a thought)

[creedkingsx]

escort must of blocked joker and doc healed mafia target or something like that. (or joker didnt kill so escort target gets lynched. . . . just a thought)

Just to clarify for everyone, Joker's order of operations, so to speak, works like this:
Night: Joker selects a target
Day
Night
Day
Night (Assuming nobody has killed his target by this point): Joker kills 2 people and picks a new target.

[Fajer]

but should jailor/escort reveal themselves already?? maybe its not a smart move or maybe it is.
maybe they should block the same target next night so we can get more information and mafia gets less information.

[Fajer]

ok thank you. i missed that sorry.

at the plus side we are all alive :D

[RLVG]

at the plus side we are all alive :D

Someone will die today / tonight 100%.

Damus are requested to be lynched, otherwise the Joker will kill two the coming night.

[creedkingsx]

ok thank you. i missed that sorry.

at the plus side we are all alive :D

It's the first time the role has ever been played, so it's to be expected unless you read through the setup very thoroughly. xD

[Brendan]

lol hi, nothing happened to me. The crier message was pro.

[Cryptonic]

i think i know who the crier is huehuehue =]

anyways, mafia may have sent a jailed mafia member for the kill, not knowing their are jailed, or;
mafia attacked jailed target (in which case, he needs to step forward and to be checked by invest/sheriff to clear himself), or;
mafia attacked someone who was healed (in which case, he needs to step forward and if a doctor DIDN'T heal the person, he must step forward and we lynch the person).

I was not attacked last night. Maybe the Joker was, if he is immune to attacks.
Is Joker immune to attacks?
Am I a bad person by being to lazy to look myself?

[creedkingsx]

Is Joker immune to attacks?
Am I a bad person by being to lazy to look myself?

No and yes

[Fajer]

yeah. i did read it but. . . days pasts and homework lasts.

interesting, i want to hear from damus what he has to say.
and if cryptonic doesent mind i'd like to know who he injected.

[Cryptonic]

if my target wishes, s/he can tell you s/he was juiced.
Other than that, i will not make my target a target for scum tonight by indicating i juiced them because i am going to be juicing him again and don't want to waste my night action. also, it may reveal his/her role tomorrow morning if i tell you now.

however, if s/he wishes to come out today, that is fine with me. if this is the case, i may or may not juice them again tonight.

[RLVG]

i think i know who the crier is huehuehue =]

I think I know who too.



anyways, mafia may have sent a jailed mafia member for the kill, not knowing their are jailed, or;
mafia attacked jailed target (in which case, he needs to step forward and to be checked by invest/sheriff to clear himself), or;
mafia attacked someone who was healed (in which case, he needs to step forward and if a doctor DIDN'T heal the person, he must step forward and we lynch the person).[/COLOR]

If there's a Jailor, I'd recommend not having him reveal itself but the victim should reveal being jailed.
The same goes for a doctor revealing himself by saying who he healed, no reveals.


interesting, i want to hear from damus what he has to say.

Good point. There's a 75% chance to lynch Damus because of the Joker, we can at least receive a clue from him before he passes on.

The other 25%? Very important role, or if the Joker hits two scum instead.

[Cryptonic]

i said the doctor should reveal only if someone states being healed but actually wasn't healed. then it's just scum lying to save the jailed target.

[RLVG]

i said the doctor should reveal only if someone states being healed but actually wasn't healed. then it's just scum lying to save the jailed target.

That makes sense, but I don't see scum slip that easy with claiming a heal. It's better if they don't think about it.

[Cryptonic]

i stated it because i'd rather not trade a doctor for a scum.
that's like trading a queen for a bishop

[RLVG]

lol hi, nothing happened to me. The crier message was pro.

I hope that's not the only thing you're going to say.

[Cryptonic]

if you want to be juiced tonight, you need to use the spy to PM me a role.
otherwise, i will most likely target the same person tonight, or the crier for luls

[creedkingsx]

the crier for luls

If you are curious, if Crier gets juiced, he can select any town role's action and utilize it for the night.

[Cryptonic]

If you are curious, if Crier gets juiced, he can select any town role's action and utilize it for the night.

oh nice. even jailor?

[Cryptonic]

oh nice. even jailor?

fix'd

[creedkingsx]

oh nice. even jailor?

Well it'd just be using a one shot gun, in that case. xD

[Cryptonic]

If a Bus Driver swaps Nurse with Player A, and Nurse targets player A, does the Nurse get 2 injections the next night?

[Fajer]

i wont be active untill 17-19 hours (sweden, and school) so dont judge me for being silent.

brendan and roflcopter still seems bit scheemy to me so i demand a deasent explanation.

[Cryptonic]

no, appleypie is the scum.
let's pressure him for a role today.
AppleyNO

[creedkingsx]

If a Bus Driver swaps Nurse with Player A, and Nurse targets player A, does the Nurse get 2 injections the next night?

No. Nurse cannot inject themselves through any set of circumstances.

[TheDarkestLight]

Ok then, the no kill is susp, yet it benefits us because that gives our investigative roles -not lookout/detect- and a ML -if we have one- to gain more leads and confirmed town. I will not vote to lynch until atleast 75% of us have posted due to info that might reveal itself after a rush lynch and makes our lynch wrong.

Suspect list:
Brendan: Posting yet not doing anything useful, if he were a Wifoming PR then he is avoiding the Mafia, but definately not the town, and if Crypt really is Nurse then he is 100% not a Jester.
Fatalis/RLVG: Only if Brendan is Mafia, if Brendan is not Mafia you can remove them from the list of Mafia, one of them might be the Joker, but MOST LIKELY not Mafia. Yet if Brendan is Mafia, then one or two is MOST LIKELY Mafia.

[AppleyNO]

Im seriously sorry. I will not be able to add anything for a little while. Wanted to let everyone know I was attacked last night.

[RLVG]

no, appleypie is the scum.
let's pressure him for a role today.
AppleyNO

Why is he scum? Did you juice him?
Why lynch him instead of Damus? (Joker)




If you are curious, if Crier gets juiced, he can select any town role's action and utilize it for the night.

What happens if X get Juiced?
Jailor / Interrogator?
Bus Driver?
Joker?
Actress?
Spy?
Citizen?

[RLVG]

Wanted to let everyone know I was attacked last night.

That's interesting. Healed?

[creedkingsx]

What happens if X get Juiced?
Jailor / Interrogator?
Bus Driver?
Joker?
Actress?
Spy?
Citizen?

They don't lose a charge for an execution the following night.

Can bus 2 sets of people.

They can choose to call out 2 targets, still results in 2 immune-piercing kills, or get 3 non-immune piercing kills.

If killed the following day or night post injection, can choose the role they will appear as.

Invulnerability for one night.

Nothing.

[RLVG]

Spy, come out from your basement.

I request the Nurse to heal the Spy non-stop to make him invulnerable, since the Nurse too is invulnerable we got a pair of invulnerables.

[RLVG]

Spy, come out from your basement.

I request the Nurse to juice the Spy non-stop to make him invulnerable, since the Nurse too is invulnerable we got a pair of invulnerables.

Fixed the obvious typo.

[creedkingsx]

Chinging Citizen, actually. With 3, that would be waaayyy too OP, potentially.

[RLVG]

Spy, come out from your basement.

I request the Nurse to heal the Spy non-stop to make him invulnerable, since the Nurse too is invulnerable we got a pair of invulnerables.

That is, if the Nurse agrees to this action first.

... Unreliable neutrals.

[Jim]

Does the jokey get to pick who killed.
Is there a possibility that Damus can still die form the Joker even if he isn't lynched today.

[RLVG]

Is there a possibility that Damus can still die form the Joker even if he isn't lynched today.[/COLOR]

If that's the case, why even bother with the 1<->2 kills deal with the role?

[Jim]

If that's the case, why even bother with the 1<->2 kills deal with the role?

Seems like the Joker would troll and kill Damus anyway and another person.

[creedkingsx]

Does the jokey get to pick who killed.

Is there a possibility that Damus can still die form the Joker even if he isn't lynched today.

Yes and yes.

Joker doesn't have to kill Damus, but he can.

[Damus_Graves]

Brendan

Get it done.

We can lynch him or we can lynch RLVG/Fajer

One of them is scum

[Espozito]

Versions of why there was no mafia kill:
1. Mafia member has been jailed
2. Jailed person has been attacked
3. Attacked person has been healed (AppleyNO claimed)
4. Escort blocked the attacker
5. ULTIMATE VERSION: Drug Dealer made Appley think he was attacked for us to concentrate on him and for mafia to get a role to fake up when it is reveal time!.. Crazeeeeee...


Appley appearing for 1 post and claiming being attacked, then disappearing is a little weird for me, but that is understandable as I have not much time too.

Nothing happened to me last night though I made a big LW, now have to erase it and make a new one XD

Role list version for now:

Crier
Doctor / Escort (depenging on what really happened last night)
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Suggestion about mafians

Godfather
Drug Dealer (this is ultimate role that has many strategies to help mafia)
Consig / Framer / Actress

As for last Mafian, Mafioso would be too underpowered for mafia, they need one more PR, seems like no Interrogator here cause noone was jailed; no consort either. That leaves Consigliere (helpful. But I will only believe in his presence if the next night mafia hits town PR), Framer (If there is Framer then one of town PRs is totally Sheriff), Actress (possible to mess up everything, since Joker has that chance to hit mafia).


Also, I'll repeat myself: There is no freaking way i'm putting Damus_Graves in /vote tag. I'd rather save veteran town than kill him to save 2 random people, considering the possibility for Joker to hit mafia members.
I also think that if Joker strikes, we will have more clues according to Graveyard (forever alone is lol). We will see more confirmed roles and will be able to discuss using it.

[Espozito]

Brendan

Get it done.

We can lynch him or we can lynch RLVG/Fajer

One of them is scum

Something is wrong. RLVG doesn't act with Brendan, he spoke with him. That means that either RLVG is town and Brendan is scum or RLVG is scum and Brendan is juat wifoming his style again. But this has to be done

Brendan

[Jim]

Damus_Graves

I don't think he is scum per say but our choice is lynch him OR the Joker can kill him at night anyway plus another town.

[Damus_Graves]

Damus_Graves

I don't think he is scum per say but our choice is lynch him OR the Joker can kill him at night anyway plus another town.

You slow ass motherfucka

[Espozito]

Damus_Graves

I don't think he is scum per say but our choice is lynch him OR the Joker can kill him at night anyway plus another town.

According we possibly have a Doctor, I don't think that the Joker will risk attacking Damus. Don't follow this madman!

[Brendan]

Damus_Graves
i dont like u

[Espozito]

Damus_Graves

I don't think he is scum per say but our choice is lynch him OR the Joker can kill him at night anyway plus another town.

Let me explain.
Today we have no clues about whom we can really trust. Everyone's FoS is full of players.
We lynch Damus, he appears as some Town role but that will not help us much as we will lose 1 important player.
If we don't lynch Damus, Joker will attack 2 persons with 30% or so hitting Mafia member.
If we have a Doc, then tomorrow we will have from 2 to 3 kills (mafia kill), wich will reveal more roles for us and it will be 10 players: 6v3v1 or 7v2v1 or even 8v1v1 if Joker is so lucky to hit 2 mafs. Dude, use the logic. I would rather kill 2 people by myself to clear their roles (not a Joker claim, don't start it pls), but not Damus.

[Damus_Graves]

Let me explain.
Today we have no clues about whom we can really trust. Everyone's FoS is full of players.
We lynch Damus, he appears as some Town role but that will not help us much as we will lose 1 important player.
If we don't lynch Damus, Joker will attack 2 persons with 30% or so hitting Mafia member.
If we have a Doc, then tomorrow we will have from 2 to 3 kills (mafia kill), wich will reveal more roles for us and it will be 10 players: 6v3v1 or 7v2v1 or even 8v1v1 if Joker is so lucky to hit 2 mafs. Dude, use the logic. I would rather kill 2 people by myself to clear their roles (not a Joker claim, don't start it pls), but not Damus.

Brendan/RLVG/Fajer/Fatalis


Two of them are scum

[Espozito]

Brendan
Frostbyte
Roflcopter
Slaol
TheDarkestLight

Need to hear more from these guys.

[Jim]

Esponzito you understand that the Joker picks who he wants to kill so he WILL KILL THE MOST TOWN PEOPLE, it is obvious me and Damus gonna die cus I am proven town and he wanted Damus dead in the first place because he put him on the list. Might as well save me.

[Espozito]

Esponzito you understand that the Joker picks who he wants to kill so he WILL KILL THE MOST TOWN PEOPLE, it is obvious me and Damus gonna die cus I am proven town and he wanted Damus dead in the first place because he put him on the list. Might as well save me.

Or maybe Joker will always use Damus as his target knowing town will hardly lynch him, wich will provide 2 kills for him. Also we have a Doc to protect him in that case.
I've already stated my point of view. We don't lose much even if Joker kills 2 towns. That will give us role clues.

[Espozito]

Alright, I have to leave now.
But if I see Damus being lynched when I get back, the guilty voters shoul leave the town as I'll try to make everything possible to kill them. No offense, but you don't get the easy strategy, as I can see.

[Jim]

Or maybe Joker will always use Damus as his target knowing town will hardly lynch him, wich will provide 2 kills for him. Also we have a Doc to protect him in that case.
I've already stated my point of view. We don't lose much even if Joker kills 2 towns. That will give us role clues.

Your point was that we won't lose much because there is a 33% chance it will be scum, but that is only if it is random.
The Joker will pick the obvious town leader (me) and most likely kill Damus anyway so your point seems scummy to me because you know he wouldn't go after mafia and town only.

[Jim]

Does the Jokey pierce night immunity and doctor heal or is that only when getting buff from nurse?

[Jim]

Does the Jokey pierce night immunity and doctor heal or is that only when getting buff from nurse?

Lol I keep saying Jokey, you should probably change his role name.

[creedkingsx]

Does the Jokey pierce night immunity and doctor heal or is that only when getting buff from nurse?

Pierces regular night immunity and doctor heals. Does not pierce a bodyguard's protection or a double heal.