Night 3

[Forum Mafia GM]

Don't you guys look good. :)

[FM Darth Vader]

Damn. I'd really hoped we got a doctor there. At least the framing was successful, in any case.

[FM Darth Vader]

Also, I'd like to request that we don't end this night early. The days are long and difficult. We need this time to recoup and plan our strategy for the next day. I feel that we lack synergy in the day chat, and we're going to need to step up our game in order to defeat the town.

[FM Spathi]

"Gandalf was citizen. Night incoming"

Yayap puts some serious thought into his RP's.

[FM Darth Vader]

Furthermore, as the day went on, I compiled a list of potential kill/frame targets. Some people appear on both lists because they appear scummy enough that they might be checked, but also have hinted that they might be a TP role.

Potential kill targets:
FM Michigan J Frog
FM Inspector Cluseau
FM Anubis (doc? Jailor?)
FM Yoda
FM Jack Sparrow (possible vig or jailor)
FM Yosemite Sam (Sheriff)
FM Indiana Jones (Sheriff)

Frame targets:
FM Michigan J Frog
FM Inspector Cluseau
FM Sherlock
FM Anubis (doc? Jailor?)
FM Batman
FM Jack Sparrow

These are up for debate, of course. the good news is that despite having what appears to be two confirmed sheriffs, the town is confused and divided. They can't seem to agree who appears to be scum, and this citizen lynch will shed suspicion on Indiana Jones as well as any future sheriff claims that they have found mafia.

[FM Spathi]

Well see what Michigan J Frog comes up as. We investigated him last night.
If he used the code that I gave him on night one then his result was "Witch" because his first post started with a W.

I'll review over the day when I have time.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I'll save you the time since consig did check him and should be here later, Frog is the Witch.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Now don't you guys feel even better.

[FM Darth Vader]

Well see what Michigan J Frog comes up as. We investigated him last night.
If he used the code that I gave him on night one then his result was "Witch" because his first post started with a W.

I'll review over the day when I have time.

That's what I was thinking. I was about to post about it, actually. If Frog is the witch, that is fantastic news, as he really has the town's trust. All we'd have to do is find a way of telling him who we are and find the sk.

[Forum Mafia GM]

If Frog is the witch

I swear people ignore all my posts.

[FM Darth Vader]

I swear people ignore all my posts.

Sorry, I posted without refreshing and didn't see it. But thanks! And yay!

[FM Darth Vader]

Now we just need to find the sk, and figure out a way to inform the witch without alerting the town.

Also, some of my potential frame/kill targets (since only 2 can be acted on anyway) would make good consig targets I think. I confess myself very interested in Cluseau. He posts a lot, trolls, and still appears town. He might be a candidate for sk.

[FM Spathi]

Now don't you guys feel even better.

No. I want to kill doctors, not witches.

[FM Darth Vader]

No. I want to kill doctors, not witches.

We're not going to kill him. And I say this is better than finding a doctor. He's an ally. Now we can defend him in the day chat. Plus, he has town's trust, so we if we can tell him who we are, he can help defend us if we need it. And boy do we. Pinkie is likely to be shot by a vig tonight, and one of the sheriffs thinks I look bad, so I might be checked and called out tomorrow.

So far, I think I have been most active in the chat out of all of us, and I think that needs to change. Lurking is not a great strategy. Especially if all of us do it. We need to hide in the open. Become trusted. Prod town toward lynching the wrong people and nudge them toward targets that I can frame to add suspicion to them.

[FM Beast]

Damn. I'd really hoped we got a doctor there. At least the framing was successful, in any case.

His play does not fit with a TPR, nor detectable mafia, nor witch, nor SK.

Too high profile. Unlikely to be TPR.
Mafia only if he is GF.
Neutrals normally stay hidden.

Good that a good citizen is dead.

Eh, Frog is Witch? Hmm...

[FM Beast]

Hmm... come to think again, not sure if it is wise to kill intelligent players, since they can just rejoin the game. Might have made a mistake.

Yay, my last night. Good luck guys!

[Forum Mafia GM]

Only night 1 / day 1 in the consorts case, were eligible to rejoin since I am a firm believer that killing intelligent citizens is better than PRs. You guys kill who you want to remove from the game and it shall be done.

[FM Darth Vader]

His play does not fit with a TPR, nor detectable mafia, nor witch, nor SK.

Too high profile. Unlikely to be TPR.
Mafia only if he is GF.
Neutrals normally stay hidden.

Good that a good citizen is dead.

Eh, Frog is Witch? Hmm...

You quoted the wrong post, but I'm assuming you were responding to what I said about Cluseau. In which case, Frog disproves your point by being fairly high profile and neutral. Of course, a WIFOM-ing citizen is always a distinct possibility too. But that's what the consigliere is for!


Hmm... come to think again, not sure if it is wise to kill intelligent players, since they can just rejoin the game. Might have made a mistake.

Yay, my last night. Good luck guys!

Hopefully the vig will go rogue and shoot someone else instead. Of course, that target could very well be me... But regardless, we should plan for one of us being shot so we can be prepared. That will leave us with a 4-man mafia, but at least we have found one of our neutral allies.

The key to surviving from here on out is the day chat. Pinkie/Beast you were somewhat absent for most of the day chat, and when you did post you were a bit too paranoid that you were framed, which is why they suspect you. If you survive this night (and if you don't, other mafia take note) you need to reform your play style.

SOME GOOD POSTING STRATEGIES. EVERYONE PLEASE READ:
I understand that you may have work or school or personal stuff, or whatever, so if you can't be more active, when you DO post, be more... town. Feel free to accuse some people, if the accusations have even the smallest amount of logic or evidence behind them, they'll start a discussion that will make you look town even if they're false or everyone decides not to pursue them. The key is not to push it too much, though. You have to sense the flow of the conversation and of the town's collective opinion. That's why I eased up on Gandalf and didn't push the lynch. The sheriff had done the work for me by outing him as mafia, all I needed was to let the seed of doubt grow, and perhaps give some light nudges in the right direction, and the town decided that was the best course of action, but I share no more of the blame for it than anyone else.

Don't be afraid to argue with each other in day chat. Don't push for the lynch of an ally, but don't be afraid to suggest they might be scum (or to vote for them if it appears they will be lynched anyway). This serves to give you an alibi of distance if/when any of us is killed that will help you seem town, but also throws the town off because we're not outraged that someone would accuse a person of being scum.

Talk as if you care about the benefit to the town more than you care about your own life/etc. Don't overdo it, though (it's a fine line) because if it's too much the town will turn on you. But always respond rationally and calmly to accusations against you, and make logical arguments in your defense that convince others that it is NOT in their best interest to kill you. Gandalf was very close to pulling this off, but in the end the doc claims made it so that the town had to know the truth.

TL;DR: BE ACTIVE. And if you can't be active, MAKE YOUR POSTS COUNT. Don't only chime in when people accuse you of lurking. This is the mistake Frankenstein made that may get him lynched, if we're lucky (barring him being sk, of course). Talk without being provoked, and say things that are (or at least appear to be) useful insights so the town will want to keep you as a leader.

I mean no offense by posting this, it's just some constructive criticism and some tips that I think will help us stay off the radar.

[FM Darth Vader]

TL;DR: BE ACTIVE. And if you can't be active, MAKE YOUR POSTS COUNT.

Actually, I'd like to edit that to read: "BE ACTIVE. And regardless of whether or not you can be active, MAKE YOUR POSTS COUNT." Your posts should count. That's the main takeaway here.

[FM Darth Vader]

So far I'm leaning toward FM Batman as my frame target. Anyone have other ideas? I'm open to suggestions/debate.

[FM Data]

Hey Sorry I was inactive. My grandma made a surprise visit and a forum member is visiting me currently.

[FM Darth Vader]

Also, looking back at Frog's posts, he defended Jack Sparrow as having "textbook citizen behavior" I think this may mean he believes Jack to be an ally (SK/maf). Obviously Jack isn't mafia, but he might be SK. Something to consider.

[FM Darth Vader]

Also, looking back at Frog's posts, he defended Jack Sparrow as having "textbook citizen behavior" I think this may mean he believes Jack to be an ally (SK/maf). Obviously Jack isn't mafia, but he might be SK. Something to consider.

Then again, he also voted me on day 1. He later said he had a null read on me, though. and didn't respond to my reply. But he may have an idea that I'm mafia. Any ideas on how to communicate to Frog that we are mafia and that we know he's an ally?

[FM Spathi]

Frankenstein, Batman, Lone Ranger. I think those are good framer targets.

What happened to Agahnim today? He posted so much on Day 1 and disappeared today.
There's so many lurkers that only post once or twice, there could be a handfuls of PR's in that grouping.
If I was a blacksmith or escort I would lurk since my role is easily confirmable.

[FM Spathi]

Then again, he also voted me on day 1. He later said he had a null read on me, though. and didn't respond to my reply. But he may have an idea that I'm mafia. Any ideas on how to communicate to Frog that we are mafia and that we know he's an ally?

I can't think of anything, trying to code across day chat will be very difficult to manage. Lets hope Frog stays smart and stays on Sam/Indiana until we kill those doctors.

[FM Munchkin]

I've learned from my previous mistakes and not trying to take a talkity path this time. Seems most have left me alone for the most part

[FM Spathi]

Maybe Prince Takresh is the serial killer, he said he was serial killer and someone was immune to his attack last night

[FM Beast]

Nobody was jailed. Dracula got the first vest. He is talking crap unless he got one of us or witch.

[FM Munchkin]

Maybe Prince Takresh is the serial killer, he said he was serial killer and someone was immune to his attack last night

I don't trust SK would give his role up so easily for fear of gamethrowing

[FM Beast]

Remember, whether I die or not tonight will give you information regarding the identity of the vigilante.

[FM Darth Vader]

Remember, whether I die or not tonight will give you information regarding the identity of the vigilante.

To clarify for everyone: if he (Pinkie Pie/Beast) dies, it means the vigilante followed the directive of Indiana Jones, so we might look for someone who supports/agrees with him a lot in the day chat.

Otherwise, the vigilante is likely someone that disagrees with Jones. And perhaps took the advice of another player (or IS that player). We will have to do some digging from day 2's chat to find it, but once we do, we can narrow down the vigilante to a handful of people.

[FM Beast]

Anonymity is fading Day2. I can easily identify some players, and that not only me.

Some even said: hey that is his style playing citizen.

[FM Beast]

I would rather frame the good players...

Since we all know who the good players are, no need to make a list of them. Good players = die. Even if they looked scummy. That's how they keep themselves alive from being killed by scum. Better kill them early than late.

Unless you prefer to kill TPR... in which case Escort is the highest priority. Escort is the greatest threat to our allies.

I'll go do some voodoo and get another 4 names.

[FM Beast]

If Frog is witch, then his greatest enemies are Level 1 town. The derps. I label Yosemite as Level 1. Indiana Jones as Level 2. Witch should be sticking to Yosemite.

In that case, we need to try and think like Indiana. Who will Indiana visit tonight, after he knew that his first target was framed?

[FM Beast]

FM Ceaser
FM Captain Obvious
FM King Tut
FM Count von Count

[FM Beast]

I would add FM Animal too if I didn't know his COM and is currently framing him.

[FM Darth Vader]

FM Ceaser
FM Captain Obvious
FM King Tut
FM Count von Count

You think Indiana is going to visit them? They're all pretty low profile if you ask me. Gandalf was high profile (though Indiana claimed that he was 'not an obvious frame target'), and Yoda was just a shot in the dark on night one. I mean, I guess you could argue that Gandalf's lynch would cause him to go after different targets to try to avoid framed people. But we have to consider: is that Indiana's strategy?

I think not. I think he has suspicions, and he will want to confirm them on his own. He's assigned vigilante the duty of killing Pinkie, so he obviously won't check there. However, Jack was his alternative target if Gandalf was scum, so he may decide to check Jack. I also think that, if he's going for "less obvious" targets, Batman might be a good choice, because Batman has been accused of being scum when he's posted, but it's typically faded away in favor of some other lead. If tomorrow there are no new hard leads, Batman may be the first to go unless they decide to let the jailor act.

Speaking of which, we should try to kill the jailor tonight if we can. Easier said than done, of course, but if successful it will make the town feel more compelled to lynch tomorrow, as well as allow us to rest easy if they don't lynch.

[FM Beast]

FM Ceaser
FM Captain Obvious
FM King Tut
FM Count von Count

TPR

[FM Beast]

Choices:

1) Risk fail killing sheriffs
2) Hunt other TPRs
3) Kill town leaders

[FM Spathi]

I have work and I'll be back in about 6ish hours.
I thought it was Yosemite who said shoot pinkie if gandalf flipped town and shoot jack if he flipped scum. I could be wrong.
I don't want to go after a sheriff until at least one doctor is dead.

Most of the TPR have a low post count to try to keep hidden. Yosemite and Indiana would have kept quiet had they not found a mafia report. Indiana was very quiet on day 1 and Sam was only moderately active on day 2.
The town leaders are probably citizens but we gain the benefit of being able to control the town more easily.

[FM Beast]

What Gandalf did is useful for hunting scum. They will hesitate to lynch Gandalf after he acts scummy. Mafia will fear that they framed neutral. Neutral will fear that he is indeed mafia.

[FM Darth Vader]

I thought it was Yosemite who said shoot pinkie if gandalf flipped town and shoot jack if he flipped scum. I could be wrong.



Ok, that post and claim by Gandalf are so full of shit its not even funny.

We need to lynch him today, it took him THAT LONG to post THAT????

I put no stock in any of these claims. Its obvious Gandalf is a mafia now. So obvious its not even funny.

That role WIFOM of his is terrible, he had been hinting towards citizen all day, and then doctor??

If we do not get this lynch off, the Vigilante MUST shoot him. I want the Jailor to jail Sherlock.

TO RECAP:

LYNCH GANDALF

If the lynch fails, Vigilante shoot him.
If the lynch goes through, and he flips town, shoot Pinkie Pie
If the lynch goes through, and he flips scum, shoot Jack Sparrow

The Jailor should jail Sherlock.

BREAK

I agree about kill allocation, though. I'd rather kill leading citizens than lurking TPR. Though we do need to try to eliminate the doctors and sheriffs so we won't have to fear detection. But as long as there are two doctors alive, we can't risk attacking (and failing to kill) a sheriff. But at least my successful framing has made brought future scum results up for debate. They'll have to get two in one night in order to have any certainty that one is scum. So if they do find us, framed is the claim, boys.

So who do we recommend I frame?

[FM Spathi]

Frame:
FM Inspector Cluseau
FM Sherlock
FM Batman

I think we should kill Anubis or we could kill Yoda, because he is confirmed town and if we kill off the people the sheriff reveals as town he'll get more paranoid.

uhhh who did the consigliere pick to investigate?

[FM Munchkin]

I have a feeling Sherlock and/or Cluseau will be checked. I'd personally go for Cluseau

[FM Spathi]

Frame cluseau
Kill Anubis
Invest uhh anaghaim

In on my phone and this I last resort stuff if no one else suggested
If the other mafiosos already decided then ignore my post since I can't it.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Frame cluseau
Kill Anubis
Invest uhh anaghaim

In on my phone and this I last resort stuff if no one else suggested
If the other mafiosos already decided then ignore my post since I can't it.

You still have another 24hrs + unless I hear the ok by all of you to end night early.

[FM Munchkin]

Just be sure not to end too early again

[FM Beast]

Why Anubis? Going for a fail mafia vibe?

Unless Anubis is Level 1 player...

[FM Beast]

I don't mind doing the kills since I'm gonna die tonight. Unlikely to be roleblocked.

[FM Beast]

I prefer FM Ceaser if we are going for TPR,

King Arthur, Aghanim, or Jack O'neill if town leaders.

Jack O'neill also a good frame.

[FM Beast]

Or why don't we investigate suspected TPR and kill town leaders.

[FM Beast]

Instead of investigating town leaders and kill suspected TPRs

[FM Munchkin]

If we both -kill will it garentee the target will be attacked?

[FM Beast]

My suggestion will be

Investigate Ceaser (Anubis the Level1 doctor if you insist)
Kill Jack O'neill (Or Aghanim who is less pushy)
Frame Cluseau

[FM Data]

I haven't been able to participate as much as I like. A bit busier than usual

[FM Beast]

Frame:
or we could kill Yoda

Yoda is good too.

[FM Beast]

If we both -kill will it garentee the target will be attacked?

Only can send one. Can't send both.

[FM Beast]

I haven't been able to participate as much as I like. A bit busier than usual

Just drop your ideas on who to kill, investigate and frame with reasonings.

Then the ones who are free can decide which is better.

[FM Beast]

Frame:
Batman (FM Darth)
Cluseau (FM Spathi)

Kill:
Anubis (FM Spathi)
Jack O'neill (FM Beast)

Investigate:
Ceaser (FM Beast)
Aghanim (FM Spathi)

[FM Beast]

Since Darth made the right call yesterday, it means that Darth thinks like Indiana. So I will follow Darth's frame suggestion.

[FM Darth Vader]

Since Darth made the right call yesterday, it means that Darth thinks like Indiana. So I will follow Darth's frame suggestion.

So much pressure! I confess myself torn between Batman and Cluseau. I'm leaning toward Batman, since I'm fairly certain Cluseau is a WIFOMING citizen that the town may very well get fed up with and lynch of their own accord. So for now, I think I'll select Batman.

[FM Beast]

If I die, I want Jack O'neill, Jack Sparrow and King Arthur to join me.

[FM Beast]

Following up with the "What's up doc" read... lololololol

Capt. Jack is "betting his gun" that Gandalf is scum. "Betting his gun". "BETTING HIS GUN".

To make it official:

MAFIA DID NOT KILL BUNNY BECAUSE OF "WHAT'S UP DOC".

He seemed helpful while avoiding attention. That is why he died.

[FM Darth Vader]

Following up with the "What's up doc" read... lololololol

Capt. Jack is "betting his gun" that Gandalf is scum. "Betting his gun". "BETTING HIS GUN".

To make it official:

MAFIA DID NOT KILL BUNNY BECAUSE OF "WHAT'S UP DOC".

He seemed helpful while avoiding attention. That is why he died.

Haha I'm actually kind of glad they think we're stupid. It means they won't expect much from us. They'll underestimate us. Which (with any luck) will be their downfall.

[Forum Mafia GM]

I'm going to need some official actions soon. If I get nothing from the player that has the role, I'll be taking GF recommendations.

Current actions:

Frame Batman
Kill Anubis (GF said so)
Invest uhh anaghaim (GF said so)

GF has not given any indication that he wishes to override actions so player with role have first priority.

[FM Spathi]

Frame Batman
Pinkie kill Jack O'neill
Invest Anubis

[FM Munchkin]

Well, since there is only one killer, I don't have an action. Guess we're good

[FM Spathi]

Well, since there is only one killer, I don't have an action. Guess we're good

Do you have any suggestions on investigation targets?

[FM Beast]

Frame Batman
Pinkie kill Jack O'neill
Invest Anubis

Agreed.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Finalized actions:

Frame Batman
Pinkie Pie kills Jack O'neill
Investigate Anubis