D2: One down, Seven to go!

[Forum Mafia GM]

In the dark times in Fuzzywuzzytown, the consort was hung for his crimes. Yet, he was not the only criminal that needed purging. For when Sun light broke the horizon, two more bodies were found dead.

Someone killed the Rabbit! (Mr Bunny) who was just a simple citizen of Fuzzywuzzytown. His body full of bullets was found in the library.

On the other side of town, The Terminator was decapitated by a serial killer... his body was found walking around randomly in the Machine shop. Efforts to reconnect the wires were all in vain though and he had to be discarded.

Oh and another person was hit by lightning last night, Csisac has been replaced.


Role list:
1-Citizen
2-Citizen
3-Citizen
4-Sheriff
5-Mafioso
6-Citizen
7-Citizen
8-Citizen
9-Doctor
10-GodFather
11-Citizen
12-Citizen
13-Citizen
14-Vigilante
15-Consort: FM Watson - Killed by the town
16-Citizen
17-Citizen
18-Citizen
19-Escort
20-Serial Killer
21-Citizen
22-Citizen
23-Citizen
24-Blacksmith
25-Consigliere
26-Citizen
27-Citizen
28-Citizen
29-Doctor
30-Framer
31-Citizen: FM Yehat - Killed by the Mafia
32-Citizen: FM Mr Bunny - Killed by the Mafia
33-Citizen
34-Sheriff
35-Witch
36-Citizen
37-Citizen
38-Citizen: FM The Terminator - Killed by the SK
39-Jailor
40-Mafioso
41-Citizen
42-Citizen

Player List:
01- FM Agahnim
02- FM Animal
03- FM Anubis
04- FM Batman
05- FM Bridge Keeper
06- FM Captain Obvious
07- FM Ceasar
08- FM Col Jack ONeill
09- FM Cookie Monster
10- FM Count von Count
11- FM Dracula
12- FM Frankenstein
13- FM Gandalf
14- FM Gimli
15- FM Hamburglar
16- FM Hungry
17- FM Indiana Jones
18- FM Inspector Cluseau
19- FM Jack Sparrow
20- FM Kermit
21- FM King Arthur
22- FM King Tut
23- FM Locutus
24- FM Lone Ranger
25- FM Master Chef
26- FM Michigan J Frog
27- FM Mr Bunny: Citizen - Killed by the Mafia
28- FM Mr T
29- FM Pinkie Pie
30- FM Prince Thrakhath
31- FM Robin Hood
32- FM Rubber Ducky
33- FM Sherlock
34- FM SpongeBob
35- FM The Joker
36- FM The Terminator: Citizen - Killed by the SK
37- FM Watson: Consort - Killed by the Town
38- FM Wile E Coyote
39- FM Wolverine
40- FM Yehat: Citizen - Killed by the Mafia
41- FM Yoda
42- FM Yosemite Sam


Day will end Wednesday at 8pm GMT-5. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Dec+19+2012+8pm+gmt-5)

20

[FM Master Chef]

NOOOOOOOOOO TERMINATOR
WHY GOD
WHY?

[Inspector Cluseau]

NOOOOOOOOOO TERMINATOR
WHY GOD
WHY?

Master Chef has claimed SK.

[FM Agahnim]

Well at least we can scratch Mr. Bunny off the scum list.

[Inspector Cluseau]

I would like to add myself to the scum list, since I am not dead.

[FM Master Chef]

Master Chef has claimed SK.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

[FM Michigan J Frog]

FM Mr Bunny made only two posts yesterday:

What's up, docs?

Sumthin' tells me the citizens and scum will both be pro-hypo, while the town power will be anti-hypo.

So this doesn't really tell us much info about why the mafia decided to kill him.

----

FM Terminator was killed probably for his activity and organization when he tried to collect night feedback claims. He also made a big deal about jailor role mechanics.

Also just an interesting observation:
(Day 1 #562) In reference to FM Animal

He says he missed night one. There was no SK kill. Hmm...

I wouldn't really consider this that suspicious due to the amount of WIFOM involved in any night kill decision, but I think it's something to file away for consideration later on.

[FM Yoda]

So this doesn't really tell us much info about why the mafia decided to kill him.



"Doc".

[FM Cookie Monster]

FM Mr Bunny made only two posts yesterday:



So this doesn't really tell us much info about why the mafia decided to kill him.

----

FM Terminator was killed probably for his activity and organization when he tried to collect night feedback claims. He also made a big deal about jailor role mechanics.

Also just an interesting observation:
(Day 1 #562) In reference to FM Animal


I wouldn't really consider this that suspicious due to the amount of WIFOM involved in any night kill decision, but I think it's something to file away for consideration later on.

Nice observation, I don't think other scum will be that aware of the post so we need to keep a close eye on Animal

[FM Master Chef]

So what happened to who last night? Nothing happened to me last night. I was bussed, though.
BTW, IF SAM GOT A TOWN RESULT, DON'T OUT IT.
or else mafia or SK will end up killing the townie

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Kermit is still one of my strongest scum suspects, although I think FM Cookie Monster is due some questioning for his early hammer that prematurely ended day. Ending day early is good for scum because it deprives us of our ability to scumhunt for an extra 24 hours. Not sure if FM Cookie Monster simply didn't realize he was hammering, or if he was scum who wanted to make 100% certain to be on his mafia buddy's lynch train to try to indicate his innocence.

@FM Cookie Monster, can you comment a bit on your intentions behind hammering FM Watson yesterday?

[Inspector Cluseau]

"Doc".

Yoda Doc on.

[Inspector Cluseau]

I was bussed

.... wut?

[FM Cookie Monster]

Kermit is still one of my strongest scum suspects, although I think FM Cookie Monster is due some questioning for his early hammer that prematurely ended day. Ending day early is good for scum because it deprives us of our ability to scumhunt for an extra 24 hours. Not sure if FM Cookie Monster simply didn't realize he was hammering, or if he was scum who wanted to make 100% certain to be on his mafia buddy's lynch train to try to indicate his innocence.

@FM Cookie Monster, can you comment a bit on your intentions behind hammering FM Watson yesterday?

I wasn't the hammer, he was already hammered and I just piled up my vote on him since it WAS 41 to lynch

[FM Master Chef]

Kermit is still one of my strongest scum suspects, although I think FM Cookie Monster is due some questioning for his early hammer that prematurely ended day. Ending day early is good for scum because it deprives us of our ability to scumhunt for an extra 24 hours. Not sure if FM Cookie Monster simply didn't realize he was hammering, or if he was scum who wanted to make 100% certain to be on his mafia buddy's lynch train to try to indicate his innocence.

@FM Cookie Monster, can you comment a bit on your intentions behind hammering FM Watson yesterday?

I don't want to defend him, but FM Game Master said it was 41 votes yet he was hammered at 25?
I'm confused.

@inspector - i was joking :D

[Inspector Cluseau]

@inspector - i was joking :D

Ok....

[FM SpongeBob]

I was bussed

quite positive there is no busdriver...

[FM Michigan J Frog]

I wasn't the hammer, he was already hammered and I just piled up my vote on him since it WAS 41 to lynch

Ah ok. My mistake. I just saw the "FM Watson has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!" pop up after your vote.

I guess I would like to redirect my question at FM Col Jack ONeill.

@FM Col Jack ONeill, can you comment a bit on your intentions behind hammering FM Watson yesterday?

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Wait. The vote count at the top of the page isn't chronological. Hammer vote was actually FM Inspector Cluseau since Cookie Monster was #23, and Anubis was #22, and Inspector Cluseau was #21.

[FM Cookie Monster]

FM Anubis


why is cesar mafia?
d
ang 600+ posts...
i'm not going to contribute spammy posts, like countless other people are doing, wasting time for EVERYONE, and making myself seem scummy for spamming.

so, Cookie Monster, you asked why I left early after me asking why Ceasar is mafia

Simply wanted to know why he was being targeted randomly. Sure it points out that I’m defending what could possibly be a fellow mafia member, but I’d like for everyone to try to stop spamming, especially with accusations they themselves don’t believe. As for why I left so early, I only checked the first 2 pages before I left to wherever I was going. I read more of it, but didn’t have time to do my notes on what is happening. I don’t want to reread any of it, so I take script like notes on what ever I see people posting important.

i guess the last will systems are out of use now, since 2 people claimed right? I'll claim doctor and heal Yosemite Sam if he's right. and yes. WIFOM. will vote for watson soon as i find out how to activate the vote counter (unless someone wants to put it in here =)

FM Watson

that was easy. will check back in a few when more information is out!

VERY VERY Scummy to me, starts off the day with a weird question without contributing
"Sure it points out that I’m defending what could possibly be a fellow mafia member,"<<<< Why are you saying fellow mafia member? Does that mean you are part of the mafia?
He points out that we are spamming useless stuff, which is not true at all. Scum usually avoid discussion like this
The part where he WiFOM's Doc makes me kinda afraid of pointing out the Doc but I'm pretty sure he's not one
"that was easy" part seems odd to me, it is as if he knows that Yosemite was right in that Watson was mafia, while before he mentioned that he will heal Yosemite if he is right

[FM Locutus]

So what happened to who last night? Nothing happened to me last night. I was bussed, though.
BTW, IF SAM GOT A TOWN RESULT, DON'T OUT IT.
or else mafia or SK will end up killing the townie

I don't know. There are two sheriffs. It could be beneficial for Sam to reveal who he targeted, so the other sheriff doesn't overlap on investigation results. We have limited PR's with which to find scum.
But you're right..it does show mafia/serial killer who they can kill.

[FM Master Chef]

I don't know. There are two sheriffs. It could be beneficial for Sam to reveal who he targeted, so the other sheriff doesn't overlap on investigation results. We have limited PR's with which to find scum.
But you're right..it does show mafia/serial killer who they can kill.

Oh I didn't know there was 2 sheriffs.

IMO, we should make a list of people that Yosemite Sam can check, and another list for the anonymous sheriff.
It's best for Sam to make it, if he likes that plan.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Oh I didn't know there was 2 sheriffs.

IMO, we should make a list of people that Yosemite Sam can check, and another list for the anonymous sheriff.
It's best for Sam to make it, if he likes that plan.

Don't, framer alert

[FM Ceasar]

Greetings mentlegen. If I could please grab your attention to a post made by Mr. Holmes yesterday while the train was rolling against Watson.


Yosemite Sam, do you realize that you would be controlled by the witch afterwards if he really flips mafia?

I guess that you really have accepted the risks if you decided to claim youself.

Big thing here. He doesn't say roleblocked, he says witched. Again, this post was made when Watson (aka: The Consort) is inevitably going to be lynched. The only people who knew that Watson was specifically going to flip Consort was the Mafia. Sherlock forgets to mention the Consort in his statement, talking like the Witch is going be the only anti-town disruptor heading into night 2. Not willing to believe it was just a typo.

FM Sherlock

[Inspector Cluseau]

Wait. The vote count at the top of the page isn't chronological. Hammer vote was actually FM Inspector Cluseau since Cookie Monster was #23, and Anubis was #22, and Inspector Cluseau was #21.

Oh, I am on the hotspot? Well GOOD! I like'm attention. I did not take notice of the vote count at the time of my vote. I can assure you I am Town. I have no current way to prove such, but can suggest the idea that it was the scum that would not have voted, since scum all win together, and the game is built as it is, it doesn't entirely make sense for a Mafia to hammer their own or the SK/Witch to have done so. Especially seeing as the Sheriff was currently not proven, the day could have been escaped without a lynch.

[FM Master Chef]

Don't, framer alert

Framer could be anywhere...
It just works for better organization.

@Spongebob - welcome to the game. Your first post, I see...

[FM Agahnim]

Greetings mentlegen. If I could please grab your attention to a post made by Mr. Holmes yesterday while the train was rolling against Watson.



Big thing here. He doesn't say roleblocked, he says witched. Again, this post was made when Watson (aka: The Consort) is inevitably going to be lynched. The only people who knew that Watson was specifically going to flip Consort was the Mafia. Sherlock forgets to mention the Consort in his statement, talking like the Witch is going be the only anti-town disruptor heading into night 2. Not willing to believe it was just a typo.

FM Sherlock

Interesting catch.
Time to sheep!

FM Sherlock

[FM Master Chef]

Big thing here. He doesn't say roleblocked, he says witched. Again, this post was made when Watson (aka: The Consort) is inevitably going to be lynched. The only people who knew that Watson was specifically going to flip Consort was the Mafia. Sherlock forgets to mention the Consort in his statement, talking like the Witch is going be the only anti-town disruptor heading into night 2. Not willing to believe it was just a typo.

FM Sherlock

Mind telling us where you found that post? what page? If you forgot then it's NP.
i see you are using a freudian slip method but tbh i find it a little unlikely of Watson and Sherlock being in the same team. (game master doing wifom?)

[Inspector Cluseau]

FM Sherlock

[FM Master Chef]

Mind telling us where you found that post? what page? If you forgot then it's NP.
i see you are using a freudian slip method but tbh i find it a little unlikely of Watson and Sherlock being in the same team. (game master doing wifom?)

nevermind i found it. seems legit.
FM Sherlock
some pressure

[FM Cookie Monster]

hold on let me check sherlock

[FM Locutus]

Mind telling us where you found that post? what page? If you forgot then it's NP.
i see you are using a freudian slip method but tbh i find it a little unlikely of Watson and Sherlock being in the same team. (game master doing wifom?)

It's post #475 on day 1

[FM Cookie Monster]

I can't seem to find his post, what post #?

[FM Master Chef]

hold on let me check sherlock

r u claiming sheriff? :weird:

[FM Cookie Monster]

It's post #475 on day 1

Oh kk

[FM Cookie Monster]

1 Post signifying that he thinks everyone is scummy
2 RP post
Discourage the revealing of town PR due to witch, TWICE without mentioning Consort
Sherlock DOES NOT vote for Watson

Good read, Caesar
*sheep vote*

FM Sherlock

[FM SpongeBob]

hold on let me check sherlock

saying that, wouldn't sherlock just be framed now?

[FM Cookie Monster]

saying that, wouldn't sherlock just be framed now?

What

[FM SpongeBob]

What

you stated you were going to check sherlock

[FM Locutus]

What

I think he thinks you just claimed sheriff and are gonna 'check' him tonight
http://i.imgur.com/ccf2I.jpg

[FM Cookie Monster]

I think he thinks you just claimed sheriff and are gonna 'check' him tonight
http://i.imgur.com/ccf2I.jpg

*facepalms*

[FM Yoda]

FM Sherlock

[Inspector Cluseau]

Oh, I am on the hotspot? Well GOOD! I like'm attention. I did not take notice of the vote count at the time of my vote. I can assure you I am Town. I have no current way to prove such, but can suggest the idea that it was the scum that would not have voted, since scum all win together, and the game is built as it is, it doesn't entirely make sense for a Mafia to hammer their own or the SK/Witch to have done so. Especially seeing as the Sheriff was currently not proven, the day could have been escaped without a lynch.


1 Post signifying that he thinks everyone is scummy
2 RP post
Discourage the revealing of town PR due to witch, TWICE without mentioning Consort
Sherlock DOES NOT vote for Watson

Good read, Caesar
*sheep vote*

FM Sherlock

Can someone get together a list of who didn't vote? I lazy :)

[FM Locutus]

Can someone get together a list of who didn't vote? I lazy :)

FM Sherlock

I'll do it. Do you want all 20 something players that didn't vote for him?

[FM Captain Obvious]

Oh goody.
If Sherlock really flips scum, it means he made a SC2mafia level mistake. Not voting.
Fm Sherlock

[FM Michigan J Frog]

I almost think it would be worse if Watson hadn't flipped consort because then it would seem like Sherlock was trying to direct the witch to witch Yosemite Sam to avoid consort/witch overlap. But even given the consort flip, it still looks pretty bad because it shows Sherlock had scum knowledge.

FM Sherlock

[Inspector Cluseau]

FM Sherlock

I'll do it. Do you want all 20 something players that didn't vote for him?

Yes please.

[FM Cookie Monster]

01- FM Agahnim
02- FM Animal
03- FM Anubis
04- FM Batman
05- FM Bridge Keeper
06- FM Captain Obvious
07- FM Ceasar
08- FM Col Jack ONeill
09- FM Cookie Monster
10- FM Count von Count
11- FM Dracula
12- FM Frankenstein
13- FM Gandalf
14- FM Gimli
15- FM Hamburglar
16- FM Hungry
17- FM Indiana Jones
18- FM Inspector Cluseau
19- FM Jack Sparrow
20- FM Kermit
21- FM King Arthur
22- FM King Tut
23- FM Locutus
24- FM Lone Ranger
25- FM Master Chef
26- FM Michigan J Frog
27- FM Mr Bunny
28- FM Mr T
29- FM Pinkie Pie
30- FM Prince Thrakhath
31- FM Robin Hood
32- FM Rubber Ducky
33- FM Sherlock
34- FM SpongeBob
35- FM The Joker
36- FM The Terminator
37- FM Watson
38- FM Wile E Coyote
39- FM Wolverine
40- FM Yehat
41- FM Yoda
42- FM Yosemite Sam

GREEN=VOTED

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

I'd like to make an announcement,


FM Spathi
FM Lone Ranger
FM Spongebob

All three had 0 posts day 1, but only one person was modkilled overnight. You guys do the math.

Other than that,
FM Sherlock

[FM Cookie Monster]

FM Sherlock

I'll do it. Do you want all 20 something players that didn't vote for him?

whoops sorry Locutus :P

[FM Cookie Monster]

I'd like to make an announcement,


FM Spathi
FM Lone Ranger
FM Spongebob

All three had 0 posts day 1, but only one person was modkilled overnight. You guys do the math.

Other than that,
FM Sherlock

This is what I'm thinking

@Host, is there any specific instances where someone would not get modkilled if he doesn't contribute? Am I allowed to ask this question?

[FM Locutus]

whoops sorry Locutus :P

It's fine, I hadn't started making it yet anyway. Now I don't have to.
Your list includes the people who voted too, I would probably have just listed the non voters. Good list

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Spathi isn't in the role list, but his ID exists. it's weird.

[Forum Mafia GM]

All accounts that did not contribute were replaced.
1 was replaced late d1, other was replaced during the night.

Spathi is not a player.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Since there are 38 players alive, it should be 20 players to lynch.

Be mindful that Sherlock is at L-11. I think we should keep pressure on him, but make sure not to quick hammer and end day just several hours after the start of day. This is just an early warning because of shenanigans that happened yesterday.

[FM Locutus]

Spathi isn't in the role list, but his ID exists. it's weird.

Yea. I was gonna say I see
Spongebob
Lone Ranger
I don't see Spathi, was he on the day 1 role list?

[FM Cookie Monster]

It's fine, I hadn't started making it yet anyway. Now I don't have to.
Your list includes the people who voted too, I would probably have just listed the non voters. Good list

I copy pasted the names list and green them

[FM Cookie Monster]

All accounts that did not contribute were replaced.
1 was replaced late d1, other was replaced during the night.

Spathi is not a player.
That explains it..

[FM Cookie Monster]

Since there are 38 players alive, it should be 20 players to lynch.

Be mindful that Sherlock is at L-11. I think we should keep pressure on him, but make sure not to quick hammer and end day just several hours after the start of day. This is just an early warning because of shenanigans that happened yesterday.

I'm comfortable with pressuring him as far as L-7 or 6, but then we HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY POSTS FIRST

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Trying to take advantage of consecutive account creation fail.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

I copy pasted the names list and green them

Would it be possible for you to make a list of the order in which players voted for Watson?

[FM Gandalf]

Jesus you guys. I'm pissed that you all lynched so early yesterday. Let's please not do that again today, alright?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Jesus you guys. I'm pissed that you all lynched so early yesterday. Let's please not do that again today, alright?

Look at this scum..

(Also, he didn't vote)

[FM Locutus]

Jesus you guys. I'm pissed that you all lynched so early yesterday. Let's please not do that again today, alright?

We had a sheriff give us a mafia member. Most of the chat was spam. I don't think there was too much else that was going to be added to the day.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Would it be possible for you to make a list of the order in which players voted for Watson?

kk

[FM Gandalf]

Yeah, I didn't vote because I was traveling yesterday and expected to have until this evening before the day ended.

[FM Gandalf]

We had a sheriff give us a mafia member. Most of the chat was spam. I don't think there was too much else that was going to be added to the day.

You're missing the point of a cit-based forum mafia. This isn't sc2 power role fest.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Yeah, I didn't vote because I was traveling yesterday and expected to have until this evening before the day ended.

Well, Gandalf, if that is your real name... maybe you should have thought of that before hand.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Voting Order
Yosemite
King Arthur
Indiana Jones
Yoda
Master Chef
Terminator
Hambulglar
Hungry
Ceasar
Wile E Coyote(fail vote)
Dracula(fail vote)
Jack sparrow
Dracula
Wile E Coyote
---------------------------------------------------------------- Prince Thrakath voting Master Chef----------------------------------------------------------------
Frakenstein
Robin Hood
Kermit
Captain Obvious
Animal
Locutus
Col Jack o Neil(hammer)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------Mr T voting Master Chef------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michigan J Frog
Agahnim
Inspector Clueseu
Anubis
Cookie Monster
-lynched-

inb4 the 2 Master Chef voters are scum

[FM Cookie Monster]

I'm going to have breakfast, be back sooner or later

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Just checking in. Nothing happened to me last night.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Voting Order
Yosemite
King Arthur
Indiana Jones
Yoda
Master Chef
Terminator
Hambulglar
Hungry
Ceasar
Wile E Coyote(fail vote)
Dracula(fail vote)
Jack sparrow
Dracula
Wile E Coyote
---------------------------------------------------------------- Prince Thrakath voting Master Chef----------------------------------------------------------------
Frakenstein
Robin Hood
Kermit
Captain Obvious
Animal
Locutus
Col Jack o Neil(hammer)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------Mr T voting Master Chef------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michigan J Frog
Agahnim
Inspector Clueseu
Anubis
Cookie Monster
-lynched-

inb4 the 2 Master Chef voters are scum

Your voting order is wrong. Terminator was the train starter and i was vote Number 2. Since all the other people weren't able to use [vote] [./vote]

[FM Indiana Jones]

You're missing the point of a cit-based forum mafia. This isn't sc2 power role fest.

lol.

I claim Sheriff Number 2, with a mafia read on Gandalf.

Oh god glad we have two doctors

FM Gandalf

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

FM Gandalf

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Voting Order
1. Yosemite
2. King Arthur
3. Indiana Jones
4. Yoda
5. Master Chef
6. Terminator
7. Hambulglar
8. Hungry
9. Ceasar
Wile E Coyote(fail vote)
Dracula(fail vote)
10. Jack sparrow
11. Dracula
12. Wile E Coyote
---------------------------------------------------------------- Prince Thrakath voting Master Chef----------------------------------------------------------------
Frakenstein (fail vote)
13. Robin Hood
14. Kermit
15. Captain Obvious
16. Animal
17. Locutus
18. Col Jack o Neil
----------------------------------------------------------------------------Mr T voting Master Chef------------------------------------------------------------------------------
19. Michigan J Frog
20. Agahnim
21. Inspector Clueseu (HAMMER)
22. Anubis
23. Cookie Monster
-lynched-

inb4 the 2 Master Chef voters are scum

Fixed.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Apparently I have some learning to do with the commands
FM Gandalf

[FM Locutus]

Well...hmm.
2nd Sheriff claimed.
And found a mafia. Give me a few moments to access this new information over a cup of hot chocolate.

[FM Master Chef]

FM Sherlock

[FM Master Chef]

Well...hmm.
2nd Sheriff claimed.
And found a mafia. Give me a few moments to access this new information over a cup of hot chocolate.

lol?
cookie monster is not a sheriff. i even confused spongeboob

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Hm so you think, he just buddied with me Day 1 because he knew i wouldn't flip scum? Interesting. I don't know. He doesn't strike me as the kind of mafia who is detectable. Also he didn't know that the serial killer wins with the witch and the mafia team. This all sounds not really like a mafia player to me. I will return the favor and not put my vote on him. His analysing of the plan was definetly out of town perspective.

It's really hard for me to believe he is scum. I would rather pressure people like Wolverine or Captain obvious.

Why exactly didn't the Vigilante shot last night? He has infinite ammunition and where is the roleblock?

[FM Gandalf]

I think he's referring to Indiana Jones's trolling.

[FM Master Chef]

Wile E Coyote(fail vote)
Dracula(fail vote)
i think somebody said this in day 1, i have no idea.
anyways: its possible that mafia will fake vote to try to appear dumbly legit
anyone who fake-votes shall be viewed as scum

[FM Indiana Jones]

I think he's referring to Indiana Jones's trolling.

I'm not trolling at all.

I stand by my claim.

[FM Gandalf]

Then you got fooled by a framer & claimed prematurely.

[Inspector Cluseau]

This...


I think he's referring to Indiana Jones's trolling.

as a first post after being accused of being Mafia should just about confirm him to be Mafia.

[FM Master Chef]

lol?
cookie monster is not a sheriff. i even confused spongeboob
derp i missed indiana's claim... i'd rather wait for gandalf's defense.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Then you got fooled by a framer & claimed prematurely.

'I am framed!"... What is this, amateur hour?

FM Gandalf

[FM Master Chef]

'I am framed!"... What is this, amateur hour?

FM Gandalf

lol he is claiming shitizen.

p.s: if there is a real 2nd sheriff, don't claim or u get shot/witched at night. 'nuff said

[FM Gandalf]

Defense? What sort of defense do you want from me?

I'm a member of the town, without a way to prove it. I appreciate that Jack Sparrow has a good read on my posts, but I definitely understand why my contributions yesterday would have drawn the attention of the framer (assuming Indiana Jones is really the sheriff).

[FM Locutus]

'I am framed!"... What is this, amateur hour?

FM Gandalf

Well in his defense, there IS a framer.

Indiana Jones, may I ask why you chose Gandalf as your target?

[FM Master Chef]

Defense? What sort of defense do you want from me?

I'm a member of the town, without a way to prove it. I appreciate that Jack Sparrow has a good read on my posts, but I definitely understand why my contributions yesterday would have drawn the attention of the framer (assuming Indiana Jones is really the sheriff).

Well.. let's think
1. why would a framer frame you?
2. why did the sheriff check you?

sheriff pls answer question number 2.

[FM Indiana Jones]

This is my reason for checking Gandalf:

Gandelf was the only person who tried to defend watson and discredit the sheriff. Only reason why I am checking him over a few others (Who would be excellent framer targets)

With relevant post: #535


Hey all... got a second to drop by & skim the thread. I don't think anyone has said this, so:

Yosemite Sam might not be the sheriff. He could be the SK who attacked a mafia member, who didn't die, so he now can fake a sheriff claim against that person.

By the way, note that someone randomly cast suspicion on Yosemite earlier today, before he had even posted. If Yosemite had attacked the GF, the GF would know that Yosemite was the SK. So I think it's a good (not great) bet that Sam is SK, and his accused & accuser are mafia.

And again he is trying to discredit a sheriff claim. >.<

[FM Indiana Jones]

Defense? What sort of defense do you want from me?

I'm a member of the town, without a way to prove it. I appreciate that Jack Sparrow has a good read on my posts, but I definitely understand why my contributions yesterday would have drawn the attention of the framer (assuming Indiana Jones is really the sheriff).
Just to check, how (And why?) would I pull off a sheriff claim as scum, with one already claimed.
Saying people are framed will only last so long.

[FM Indiana Jones]

Saying people are framed will only last so long.

In regards to someone fake claiming sheriff.

[FM Gandalf]

That's why I am assuming that you're a sheriff. And the post you cite is exactly the reason I'd expect to be framed.

For what it's worth, I pointed out a possibility that neatly explained a number of anomalies from night 1, which seemed at least as likely to me as a sheriff randomly finding a mafia member right away. I was wrong about the win conditions for scum, and when that was pointed out, I withdrew my idea right away.

I questioning your claim because I know it isn't true.

[FM Dracula]

Wow 2 pressured people already. Sorry I'm late, my grandma made a surprise visit today from texas. Anyways, my fail vote was truly a fail vote. I was banned for a whole and when I came back there was this new vote tag system. I apologize for my ignorance. I did eventually correct my mistake did I not? On with my thoughts so far.

Gandalf was probably framed if indiana jones is truly a sheriff. I'm not too eager to jump on that

[FM SpongeBob]

yes sirre, Yapyap let me in tonight

[FM Dracula]

Wow 2 pressured people already. Sorry I'm late, my grandma made a surprise visit today from texas. Anyways, my fail vote was truly a fail vote. I was banned for a whole and when I came back there was this new vote tag system. I apologize for my ignorance. I did eventually correct my mistake did I not? On with my thoughts so far.

Gandalf was probably framed if indiana jones is truly a sheriff. I'm not too eager to jump on that

Damn this phone, and concerning sherlock, I doubt he is scum as well. I just don't think the FM Game Master would makes sherlock and watson scum. My main suspicion is on kermit who did absolutely nothing yesterday.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Damn this phone, and concerning sherlock, I doubt he is scum as well. I just don't think the FM Game Master would makes sherlock and watson scum. My main suspicion is on kermit who did absolutely nothing yesterday.

Scum.

[Forum Mafia GM]

GM is off to bed.





... no posting sinks

[FM Prince Thrakhath]

I am the SK

[FM Prince Thrakhath]

I attacked Joker but he didn't die

FM The Joker

[Inspector Cluseau]

I attacked Joker but he didn't die

FM The Joker


I am the SK

This... I don't... I don't even... wut?

[FM Prince Thrakhath]

This... I don't... I don't even... wut?

What are you talking about?

[FM King Arthur]

I, thine King, shalt reserve judgement regarding Indiana Jones' claim for the time being. Tis a possibility that he is telling the truth, but I would also consider Gandalf as a possible frame target. In addition, Indiana Jones couldst be mafia trying to get away with a mislynch by explaining it away as a frame afterwards. Certainly very risky, unless he be the godfather and will show up as innocent.

I wisheth to bring to thine attention the following analysis on Master Chef.


So what happened to who last night? Nothing happened to me last night. I was bussed, though.
BTW, IF SAM GOT A TOWN RESULT, DON'T OUT IT.
or else mafia or SK will end up killing the townie
In this particular game, this statement seems very much against Camelot. If Yosemite Sam were to die at some point, we want to know all of his innocent results so we have a fair bet on a few confirmed town players and he cannot post a last will. With completely random attacks, the chance for mafia to target a neutral with their kill is something like 2 out of 35 and the chance for the serial killer to hit mafia or a neutral is like 6 out of 40. As ye can see, these chances be extremely small and it makes hardly any difference if they know a few more confirmed town players. And as most of the town are citizens, a fair few evil night actions are completely wasted on them too. The benefits to knowing innocents for the town far outweigh the risks.


lol he is claiming shitizen.

p.s: if there is a real 2nd sheriff, don't claim or u get shot/witched at night. 'nuff said
Another very naughty suggestion and a threat. If Indiana Jones is not the second sheriff, the other sheriff will knoweth that he be confirmed scum for making such a claim. It wouldst be the word of one against the other, and as long as neither Indiana nor he are lynched, both will be safe from attacks simply because the evil will try to avoid us knowing another confirmed spawn of evil for certain and possibly causing a mislynch at some point in time.

What adds to the curiosity in this particular case is that he is advocating for no action to be taken against Indiana even if a person knows him to be one of the seven remaining sinners.

[FM King Arthur]

I forgot to mention that a bus driver indeed doth not exist, so that feedback claim was a lie. Another did already saidst this, but it surely adds to my suspicion of Master Chef.

As for Sherlock, twould be strange if Watson would so openly announce one of his known allies during the day.


Oh wonderful, Sherlock has arrived. I think I let him handle the reins from here.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/15667-Day-1-First-Blood?p=252868&viewfull=1#post252868

We shouldst not forget about the odd post made by Pinkie Pie either.


How I wish there is a Coroner.

This player is guilty.

-vote FM Yosemite Sam


http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/15667-Day-1-First-Blood?p=252882&viewfull=1#post252882

I wondereth what their motive was. When thou seest this Pinkie Pie, doth explain thyself. The King commandeth it.

[FM Prince Thrakhath]

I forgot to mention that a bus driver indeed doth not exist, so that feedback claim was a lie. Another did already saidst this, but it surely adds to my suspicion of Master Chef.

As for Sherlock, twould be strange if Watson would so openly announce one of his known allies during the day.




http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/15667-Day-1-First-Blood?p=252868&viewfull=1#post252868

We shouldst not forget about the odd post made by Pinkie Pie either.



http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/15667-Day-1-First-Blood?p=252882&viewfull=1#post252882

I wondereth what their motive was. When thou seest this Pinkie Pie, doth explain thyself. The King commandeth it.

look at me i type like a fag

ill bash ur fookin 'ead in, m8

go fook ur mum's arsehole

[FM King Arthur]

Begone, troll. Thou art no son of mine. The title of Prince doth not rightfully belong to thee.

[FM Count von Count]

A wise man one told me that RP players are scum........
Also hi I was sexed up last night by the only escort because consort was dead.

[FM The Joker]

I attacked Joker but he didn't die

FM The Joker

? You WIFO-ing?

ok, then.

[FM King Tut]

Oh heyo. Where doth my face be!?

[FM Indiana Jones]

Well, I can reveal my night one target.

Yoda is a town player.

I would prefer if we do not lynch Gandalf right away, since we should use all available time to discuss everyone.

So if anyone remembers, Robin Hood claimed vigilante and that he would shoot Inspector Clause (Post 550 from Day1)

[FM Bridge Keeper]

I am the SK


I attacked Joker but he didn't die

FM The Joker

What in the name of

Anyway, I will try to actually play at some point, just have shit going on.

Hmm. I like the train on Sherlock, let's follow that, shall we...

-vote FM Sherlock

I also would like to FoS mainly Anubis and Thrakhath for fairly obvious reasons.

[FM Indiana Jones]

I figured Thrakhath would be too obvious a framer target last night, but again there is no reason to play that way.

Why are you acting so scummy, Thrakhath?

[FM Prince Thrakhath]

I figured Thrakhath would be too obvious a framer target last night, but again there is no reason to play that way.

Why are you acting so scummy, Thrakhath?

cus ur mum

[FM Prince Thrakhath]

? You WIFO-ing?

ok, then.

wat is ur role

[FM Animal]

At this moment, I support the quality of the argument against Sherlock to a greater extent than that against Gandalf, but I shall exclude my suspicion from him.

Therefor, I post the following:
FM Sherlock

[FM Animal]

At this moment, I support the quality of the argument against Sherlock to a greater extent than that against Gandalf, but I shall exclude my suspicion from him.

Therefor, I post the following:
FM Sherlock

*I shall not exclude

[FM Ceasar]

Indiana Jones claims Sheriff and gives us a guilty result. Therefore, I do believe that Gandalf would be the better lynch. Train against Sherlock is based off of scummy reads. Train against Gandalf is based off of a certain amount of hard evidence. We can revist Sherlock at a later date. If there is another Sheriff, please claim.

@Indiana: I trust that you're not so great an idiot that you would lie about your Sheriff result.

[FM Ceasar]

FM Gandalf

Still haven't forgotten who Holmes:P

[Inspector Cluseau]

Well, I can reveal my night one target.

Yoda is a town player.

I would prefer if we do not lynch Gandalf right away, since we should use all available time to discuss everyone.

So if anyone remembers, Robin Hood claimed vigilante and that he would shoot Inspector Clause (Post 550 from Day1)

Yes, 'inspector clause' well done.

I would mostly disregard that Vigilante claim. ;)

[FM Agahnim]

FM Gandalf

This is very interesting to read.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

No its not.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

FM Gandalf

Sorry for the lack of posts. I've been, again, rather busy.

As astounding as it sounds to already have our second sheriff claim and our second mafia find, I'll have to follow the train.
This framed claim is garbage.
I think Jones' reasons to check Gandalf yesterday are more than enough for me.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

FM Gandalf

Sorry for the lack of posts. I've been, again, rather busy.

As astounding as it sounds to already have our second sheriff claim and our second mafia find, I'll have to follow the train.
This framed claim is garbage.
I think Jones' reasons to check Gandalf yesterday are more than enough for me.

you clearly don't follow the day chat. I think you are probably scum. Like your careless vote on me from yesterday.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

you clearly don't follow the day chat. I think you are probably scum. Like your careless vote on me from yesterday.

You clearly don't follow the day chat. I think you are probably scum. Like your careless claim that I voted you yesterday.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

We will see about that after the gnadalf lynch which will happen anyway.

[FM Gandalf]

You know, I'd really prefer if that lynch didn't happen. But knowing how the town tends to react during FM, I guess I'm not likely to get my wish.

When I turn up innocent, don't immediately assume that Indiana Jones is scum: I do find it pretty plausible that he's sheriff & I was framed. More on that note after I get my notes together. In the meantime, please respect his wishes (and mine) by not ending the day prematurely. At least give me time to write up my reads on what has happened so far.

[FM Indiana Jones]

We will see about that after the gnadalf lynch which will happen anyway.

Who do you want to see lynched instead?

[FM SpongeBob]

this FM Gandalf

seems the only actual claim there is

[FM Indiana Jones]

In the meantime, please respect his wishes (and mine) by not ending the day prematurely.

^^^

[FM Gandalf]

this FM Gandalf

seems the only actual claim there is

Goddammit. Don't you people realize that there's more to this game than power role claims?

[FM Jack Sparrow]

You clearly don't follow the day chat. I think you are probably scum. Like your careless claim that I voted you yesterday.

You are probably the witch or the serial killer. You clearly don't follow the game much. Your day 1 behaviour was just troll posts and arguing with someone if you are a scummy lurker or not. You paid no attention to the lynch on the consort and contributed 0. Still you felt the urge to post things so you wouldn't look like a complete lurker.

I think that's pretty scummy and i am sure i am not the only one thinking like that.

[FM Animal]

It appears we have changed focus, so I shall FM Sherlock for now, but I will withhold voting due to the good sheriff's wishes.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

You are probably the witch or the serial killer. You clearly don't follow the game much. Your day 1 behaviour was just troll posts and arguing with someone if you are a scummy lurker or not. You paid no attention to the lynch on the consort and contributed 0. Still you felt the urge to post things so you wouldn't look like a complete lurker.

I think that's pretty scummy and i am sure i am not the only one thinking like that.

I can agree that I haven't followed the game all that much; I've already said that I've been really busy this week-end because, you know, holidays. And I did actually vote Watson pretty early; BEFORE you, actually. I was, what, the 10th to vote? Maybe you're the one that should start paying attention to day chats.

I think that your ridiculous scumhunting attempt makes you seem pretty scummy and I am sure I am not the only one thinking like that.

[FM Indiana Jones]

Goddammit. Don't you people realize that there's more to this game than power role claims?

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrW3UP9f7aC-cfxF-VgVlkGL5g1PAFU0ZxNbSU6AHSVhIrlsbH

Serious:
To that point of scum hunting, we now know some key information.

If you flip mafia:
Indiana Jones is Sheriff
Yoda is most likely town
Jack Sparrow is possible scum

If you flip town:
Indiana Jones is possible sheriff/possible scum.
Yoda is possible Scum
Jack Sparrow is probable town

Obviously we can then look at the interactions of these players to other players, to possibly narrow down a scum list. I just haven't yet so I can't post about it :P

[FM Jack Sparrow]

I can agree that I haven't followed the game all that much; I've already said that I've been really busy this week-end because, you know, holidays. And I did actually vote Watson pretty early; BEFORE you, actually. I was, what, the 10th to vote? Maybe you're the one that should start paying attention to day chats.

I think that your ridiculous scumhunting attempt makes you seem pretty scummy and I am sure I am not the only one thinking like that.

Clearly overreacting. My attepmt isn't ridiculous. You weren't even able to vote properly. So your vote is non existent to me. Also neutral scum just sheeps. Like u do dear sir!
Anyways picking my last sentence up and trying to use it against me wont make you look any more pro town than anything. Also the excuse of being busy makes not much sense if you have clearly time now at your hand and all you do is stating some bs and put your vote on FM Gandalf like a Zombie.

But nice try. Scum.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrW3UP9f7aC-cfxF-VgVlkGL5g1PAFU0ZxNbSU6AHSVhIrlsbH

Serious:
To that point of scum hunting, we now know some key information.

If you flip mafia:
Indiana Jones is Sheriff
Yoda is most likely town
Jack Sparrow is possible scum

If you flip town:
Indiana Jones is possible sheriff/possible scum.
Yoda is possible Scum
Jack Sparrow is probable town

Obviously we can then look at the interactions of these players to other players, to possibly narrow down a scum list. I just haven't yet so I can't post about it :P

Your mom is scum!

[FM Indiana Jones]

Obviously we can then look at the interactions of these players to other players, to possibly narrow down a scum list. I just haven't yet so I can't post about it :P

As a great example lets take the Coyote and Jack.

If Jack is a scum, then its likely Coyote is town, and vise versa. You just have to look at who everyone is FoSing, and base that against what information you have.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

I am more town than most of the players in here but whatever.

[FM Gandalf]

If Jack is a scum, then its likely Coyote is town, and vise versa.

Or they're putting on a show for our benefit. Or one is mafia and the other is sk. And so on...

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Sure because i am Robbie Williams and i am only here to entertain you all! My whole purpose in life is to pull lies out of my ears to deceive you all because i am pro scum and have nothing better to do than make the monkey for you all. Especially for guys like the master chef and the kirlathi bullet catcher guy! Holy Moly YOU GOT ME! :D

[FM Indiana Jones]

Or they're putting on a show for our benefit. Or one is mafia and the other is sk. And so on...

Great example of that is in S-FM Secret Society, with the first reroll, with Appley and Damus. (I shouldn't get modkilled for this)

Note likely. It is possible that they are both some sort of scum, but it really isn't all that likely. [Of course now that I say that.... ;)]

[FM Indiana Jones]

Or they're putting on a show for our benefit. Or one is mafia and the other is sk. And so on...

What do you mean "our" benefit.... ? Scum hiding in that fashion isn't really benefiting us.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

S-FM's are limited to 2 - 3 day and night circles and are therefore easy to win with theater acts. But this is a game at a much larger scale which doesn't get auto won by scum if we misslynch 2 times and fail our night actions.

S-FM's are for plebs.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

Clearly overreacting. My attepmt isn't ridiculous. You weren't even able to vote properly. So your vote is non existent to me. Also neutral scum just sheeps. Like u do dear sir!
Anyways picking my last sentence up and trying to use it against me wont make you look any more pro town than anything. Also the excuse of being busy makes not much sense if you have clearly time now at your hand and all you do is stating some bs and put your vote on FM Gandalf like a Zombie.

But nice try. Scum.

I made an error the first time and corrected my vote right after. Geesh, you really don't pay attention to anything, do you?
And of course, Neutral scum that wins with mafia would sheep the mafia, am I right? And of course I have some time, It's midnight, right before I go to bed for work. Some of us have, you know, a life. Keep calling me scum all you want; doesn't change the fact that you're focusing on petty things.

But nice try. Scum.


And now I go to bed.

And I'm not putting up some kind of ''show for your entertainment''. This guy right here attacked me with no valid reason; I am merely defending myself.

[FM Cookie Monster]

I'm back :D
let me re read things up first

[FM Indiana Jones]

I'm back :D
let me re read things up first

Lololol

I can't wait.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

I made an error the first time and corrected my vote right after. Geesh, you really don't pay attention to anything, do you?
And of course, Neutral scum that wins with mafia would sheep the mafia, am I right? And of course I have some time, It's midnight, right before I go to bed for work. Some of us have, you know, a life. Keep calling me scum all you want; doesn't change the fact that you're focusing on petty things.

But nice try. Scum.


And now I go to bed.

And I'm not putting up some kind of ''show for your entertainment''. This guy right here attacked me with no valid reason; I am merely defending myself.

Whats that for a retarded logic? Scum don't even know each other from start. Only the mafia team does. Wtf i don't even.

[FM Cookie Monster]

yeah Gandalf's reaction is bad and there's a slim chance of him being framed
[vote]FM Gandalf[vote]
But I'm dissapointed Indiana revealed so early, you do realise that the SK and Mafia can perform a double attack on 1 of the sheriffs, so the doctors must be good.. really good. Although the SK and Mafia can't talk to each other so it won't be that easy too.

If Gandalf flips mafia it's probably a good idea to shoot Jack
Also I didn't even realise Joker was in this game

[FM Cookie Monster]

fail..
FM Gandalf

[FM Jack Sparrow]

yeah Gandalf's reaction is bad and there's a slim chance of him being framed
[vote]FM Gandalf[vote]
But I'm dissapointed Indiana revealed so early, you do realise that the SK and Mafia can perform a double attack on 1 of the sheriffs, so the doctors must be good.. really good. Although the SK and Mafia can't talk to each other so it won't be that easy too.

If Gandalf flips mafia it's probably a good idea to shoot Jack
Also I didn't even realise Joker was in this game

Yeah please shoot me! End this misery!

[FM Cookie Monster]

Whats that for a retarded logic? Scum don't even know each other from start. Only the mafia team does. Wtf i don't even.

Does somebody claimed to be attacked+healed yesterday? I don't really remember I thiink there is though. If there's not then 1 scum knows the mafia

[FM Cookie Monster]

Sure because i am Robbie Williams and i am only here to entertain you all! My whole purpose in life is to pull lies out of my ears to deceive you all because i am pro scum and have nothing better to do than make the monkey for you all. Especially for guys like the master chef and the kirlathi bullet catcher guy! Holy Moly YOU GOT ME! :D

^ this troll post

[FM Indiana Jones]

I need to go to sleep, so Cookie, I pass the baton of leadership to you.

[FM Cookie Monster]

I need to go to sleep, so Cookie, I pass the baton of leadership to you.

Wut why me

[FM Ceasar]

Wait, I just realized something. No vigilante kill. HE HAS UNLIMITED BULLETS!!! I can understand why he wouldn't want to shoot N0, but there were plenty of scummy people D1. I am scared right now that we are stuck with a pussy Vigilante...

[FM Cookie Monster]

Wait, I just realized something. No vigilante kill. HE HAS UNLIMITED BULLETS!!! I can understand why he wouldn't want to shoot N0, but there were plenty of scummy people D1. I am scared right now that we are stuck with a pussy Vigilante...
Oh yeah I forgot about that. But probably the Vigilante was replaced last night and didn't have time.
If he is reading this, please ALWAYS shoot a scummy person everynight. It's worth it

[FM The Joker]

FM Gandalf

Going with da crowd ear, eh.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Wait, I just realized something. No vigilante kill. HE HAS UNLIMITED BULLETS!!! I can understand why he wouldn't want to shoot N0, but there were plenty of scummy people D1. I am scared right now that we are stuck with a pussy Vigilante...

Ceasar do you find any scummy acts from Anubis,Kermit,Animal and the other inactive players that you would like to mention?

[FM Cookie Monster]

I'm going to go for some hours, possibly till night so I'm posting all my opinions and taughts soon in case I die or anything

[FM Gandalf]

yeah Gandalf's reaction is bad

I don't know why I have to keep saying this, but you CANNOT judge whether someone is scum from their tone or the nature of their reaction to an accusation. Personality is such a strong countervailing factor that you will not get consistently accurate results. If you lynch me, please get this lesson through your skulls when I flip town.

[FM Cookie Monster]

FM Anubis
Possibility of being scum in my opinion: Mid-High
Reason: My post Day 2 #20
Note: I have strange feeling that he MIGHT be a doctor so take care in pressuring him if later needed to

FM Kermit
Possibility of being scum in my opinion: Mid-High
Reason: Almost all his posts are either RP or very very bad trolling. No posts of value as far as I'm concerned. However, I'm also concerned that because there are no jesters in this game, I doubt that any scum will play that badly, at least not anybody that I've seen. Slight possibility of being important town PR

FM Mr T
Possibility of being scum in my opinion: Medium
Reason: He didn't vote for the consort yesterday, and chose to vote someone else instead. I haven't seen any good contributive posts on him. But I might miss a few things.

FM Jack Sparrow
Possibility of being scum in my opinion: Mid-High
Reason: As agahnim pointed out yesterday, his small letter "d" might be a consigliere code. He trolls quite a bit and RP's too. Gandalf(the guy who is said to be mafia by the sheriff claimer) defends him too.

FM Prince Thrakath
Possibility of being scum in my opinion: Medium
Reason: He didn't vote for the consort yesterday, heavy trolling+some trash-talking stuff. No solid contributive post. Though he have stated his opinion in voting Master Chef if I recall correctly

All the lurkers:
This includes, but not limited to few-posters such as Animal, Batman, Bridge,Captain Obvious, Col jack, Count von Count, Dracula .. etc
Keep an eye on them. There are way to many so obviously most of them are town. But suspect any weird behavior as lurkers tend to go under our radar. Also since it have been 1 day it's a bit too early to suspect all the lurkers.

Also don't underestimate the possibility of active contributive players to be scum, like Inspector Cluseau and Frog.
My biggest town read so far is Ceasar, Agahnim and Frog

As for today: I highly suggest to go for Gandalf and react accordingly to what he flips. Doctor be on the sheriff claimers, even though gandalf might flip town don't directly shoot Indiana yet. Losing 1 sheriff is a big loss for us. For vigilante I highly suggest to shoot the scummiest people to you.

And with that I'll leave, I think I can be back just right before 24 hours before day ends ( in 18 hours at most )

[FM Sherlock]

Ok, I'm back, now please EXPLAIN why there are so many votes against me? Is that because of Caesar's so-called "lead"?

And why you are tying me with Watson? I did warn the sheriff against the witch, but when Watson flipped consort, you started to vote me practically for NO real reason! I'm fine with being lynched but I'm NOT fine if you start piling votes on me during my absence and without allowing me to explain my reasons! I swear that if Watson flipped any mafia other that consort you wouldn't start that stupid vote train on me!

And now we have another sheriff lead on Gandalf. Is it really true? There is only one way to find out.

-vote FM Gandalf

[FM Gandalf]

I swear that if Watson flipped any mafia other that consort you wouldn't start that stupid vote train on me!

-vote FM Gandalf

Yeah, that's kind of the whole point.

Also, you failed at voting for me. You need to use the vote tags, not bold & color. (Unless I'm wrong about that?)

[FM Sherlock]

FM Gandalf

Ok, this should do the trick. But now I have another suspicious lead worth mentioning. It's FM Bridge Keeper. Just check his post where he votes me:


Anyway, I will try to actually play at some point, just have shit going on.

Hmm. I like the train on Sherlock, let's follow that, shall we...

-vote FM Sherlock

I also would like to FoS mainly Anubis and Thrakhath for fairly obvious reasons.

He voted me AFTER Indiana Jones explained his reasons for checking Gandalf. Even so, that stupid Bridge Keeper believed that a lynch train is still on me and so he pulled another vote against me. Scum or just stupid?

Of course Animal did the same, but he realized soon that we are shifting our attention on Gandalf. Just something worth noticing.

[FM Gandalf]

Or maybe he thought that you were a better target than I am. (I certainly feel that way.)

[FM Sherlock]

Even so, Jones clearly stated that you were trying to discredit Sam's sheriff claim. Unless framer was a genius and used that against you.

[FM Gandalf]

If by "a genius" you mean "a little experienced," sure.

And there's a huge difference between trying to discredit something and trying to offer another explanation for it. You'll notice that my comment doesn't say we shouldn't vote for Watson (in fact, I planned to later in the day).

I was saying: just because Watson is mafia doesn't mean we should trust Sam. Just like I'm saying now: just because I'm town doesn't mean we should mistrust Jones.

[FM Sherlock]

Just because you are town?

So is it fine for you if we lynch you today to see if Jones is the Sheriff or not? To find out if you were framed or not? Are you willing to sacrifice your life for that? Assuming that you are town, of course.

[FM Agahnim]

Actually I am forced to redact my FoS on Jack at this moment in time and based on the conversation here I have good reason to do so.
Sad though. I had hoped to catch a scum all by me lonesome.

Wile is a bit suspicious. If you are so busy why join a game this large?
Mr. T does not seem scummy and instead seems trolly. Trolling as a Citizen would.
Sherlocks lack of including a consort troubles me dearly in his thesis of why an early sheriff reveal would be bad and it does leave a certain..scum slip.. to be seen. His entry into this d2 was very aggressive and offers absolutely nothing except for his "Caesar is an idiot and you are all dumb for following him"
Vigilante should probably shoot one of the many lurkers we have in this game as they are more than likely scum.

[FM Agahnim]

And as the lookout should know by now, watch one of the Sheriffs tonight if you please.

And if I may bring to light again:


I am the SK


I attacked Joker but he didn't die

FM The Joker

What the devil is with this. -.-
There are no Jesters so I cannot fathom what this is supposed to mean as:


[GodFather]
Leader of the Mafia, may override night actions.
Immune to detection.
Not immune to death by town.
Is informed of the players name if visited by a Evil Neutral.
Can only kill if he is the last mafia alive.

[FM Gandalf]

So is it fine for you if we lynch you today to see if Jones is the Sheriff or not? To find out if you were framed or not?

#1) Whether or not I was framed in itself is irrelevant.

#2) If I flip mafia, you learn with great confidence that Jones is sheriff. If I flip town, you learn relatively little because I could have been framed and was a good target for the framer. So from your perspective, I understand why lynching me might sound like a good idea. From my perspective, I know that you'll learn nothing useful. So I'm strongly against me being lynched.

#3) Moreover, I think I can help the town a lot. But only by being alive. You won't learn much by reading over my old posts with knowledge of my role.

[FM Gandalf]

[QUOTE=FM Agahnim;254036]And as the lookout should know by now/QUOTE]

There is no lookout.

[FM Agahnim]

#1) Whether or not I was framed in itself is irrelevant.

#2) If I flip mafia, you learn with great confidence that Jones is sheriff. If I flip town, you learn relatively little because I could have been framed and was a good target for the framer. So from your perspective, I understand why lynching me might sound like a good idea. From my perspective, I know that you'll learn nothing useful. So I'm strongly against me being lynched.

#3) Moreover, I think I can help the town a lot. But only by being alive. You won't learn much by reading over my old posts with knowledge of my role.

Interesting claim.

[FM Agahnim]

And as the lookout should know by now

There is no lookout.

Right.
Bollocks. -.-

[FM Gandalf]

So Agahnim, maybe you'd be willing to help me avoid getting lynched?

[FM Sherlock]

Alright, guys, so what is the chance that Gandalf was framed?

Roughly 1/30, I presume?

And Gandalf's point "If I flip town" only hangs on this small chance. Something worth to think about.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Well, I bet I'll get attacked just as much as FM Jack Sparrow for saying this, but I'm getting a town read on FM Gandalf despite the sheriff results on him. It's not implausible that he would make a good framing target, and I think as town we would be remiss to shoot ourselves in the foot by mislynching one of our strongest players. I think it's also interesting how some of my strongest town reads, FM Jack Sparrow, FM Gandalf, and FM Dracula oppose the Gandalf lynch. Let me make the distinction, like Gandalf, that I do believe Indiana Jones's sheriff claim and am not attempting to discredit him.

Just the way Gandalf is reacting to his train... Does that read scum to you? I think it looks more like a citizen who is resigned to being lynched on the follow-the-pr train. He even asks us to refrain from hammering so he can post his last reads. Textbook town play 101, and a striking difference from Watson yesterday. Gandalf even asks us not to go after Indiana Jones when he flips town...

I still think Kermit or Sherlock is a better lynch for today. I'm not quite satisfied with Sherlock's response to the pressure on him. Remember, weird slips in daychat can't be framed.

[FM Gandalf]

Alright, guys, so what is the chance that Gandalf was framed?

Roughly 1/30, I presume?

That's only assuming that the framer is a hopeless idiot and frames his targets completely at random.

[FM Agahnim]

So Agahnim, maybe you'd be willing to help me avoid getting lynched?

If I am reading your posts correctly You have a support role which consists of: Doctor, Citizen, Blacksmith, atm Vigilante. (Assuming you are town)

You have played before based on your resolute standpoint of "You cannot scumhunt by reactions", which you can for newbies, and you are used to playing with most seasoned players which may reveal who you are imo. Taking into account that you have been very active within these two day chats, and from memory, you have been active in the discussions as how to reveal PR information.

I can conclude you are a Framed Citizen at this point easily however based on this small summary that can be your intention.

[FM Agahnim]

That's only assuming that the framer is a hopeless idiot and frames his targets completely at random.

Indeed.

[FM Agahnim]

this FM Gandalf

seems the only actual claim there is


FM Gandalf

Going with da crowd ear, eh.

Bringing these two hooligans into sight I see scum sheeping and active lurking.

[FM Agahnim]

this FM Gandalf

seems the only actual claim there is


FM Gandalf

Going with da crowd ear, eh.

Bringing these two hooligans into sight I see scum sheeping and active lurking.

[FM Gandalf]

Well, we're not supposed to be playing by CoM name meta, so I won't comment. You might be surprised. Or you might not. Otherwise I think you're spot-on.

[FM Agahnim]

Well, we're not supposed to be playing by CoM name meta, so I won't comment. You might be surprised. Or you might not. Otherwise I think you're spot-on.

Well I wasn't. That whole bit was to play onto the fact that you know how to play Citizen ^.^

[FM Sherlock]

Gandalf can say anything he wants, but not lynching him will not allow us to find out if Indiana Jones is the real second sheriff or not.

That being said, Jones started this train on Gandalf first, so we should hear his response to Gandalf's defense.

[FM Agahnim]

Gandalf can say anything he wants, but not lynching him will not allow us to find out if Indiana Jones is the real second sheriff or not.

That being said, Jones started this train on Gandalf first, so we should hear his response to Gandalf's defense.

Do you really think scum will claim Sheriff after we lynched one of their own and SK/Witch do not win if their dead?

[FM Gandalf]

May I suggest this: I think Indiana Jones is sheriff. Many of the other strongest town players think so as well.

Lynching me isn't actually going to help confirm him that much more. So why don't we skip the lynch & act with 80% confidence that he is what he says he is?

[Inspector Cluseau]

May I suggest this: I think Indiana Jones is sheriff. Many of the other strongest town players think so as well.

Lynching me isn't actually going to help confirm him that much more. So why don't we skip the lynch & act with 80% confidence that he is what he says he is?

Scum. How about we lynch and act with 100% confidence + 1 more Mafia lynch?

[FM Sherlock]

Now this is something I would clearly expect from Mafia.

Just for your information, this guy is not talking like Gandalf. He is talking more like Saruman. You know what I mean, right?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Scum. How about we lynch and act with 100% confidence + 1 more Mafia lynch?

Eh? eh? Eh? eh? I think that sounds better.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Now this is something I would clearly expect from Mafia.

Just for your information, this guy is not talking like Gandalf. He is talking more like Saruman. You know what I mean, right?

Shut up other scum. It is you or him today, then the other one tomorrow.

[FM Agahnim]

You guys may not have noticed this but:

Let us shift the conversation onto these players:

FM Bridge Keeper
FM Prince Thrakhath
FM The Joker
FM Spongebob



Have voted and left the game immediately after doing so.
Worth some notice I would think

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

I hate feeling like I'm grouping with the people posting before me, but I'll just say...

If one knows how to play citizen,
one knows how to act like a citizen when they aren't.

I personally see more benefit in going along with this lynch than not, and I'm getting a scummy vibe from Gandalf. Take that for what you will.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

You guys may not have noticed this but:

Let us shift the conversation onto these players:

FM Bridge Keeper
FM Prince Thrakhath
FM The Joker
FM Spongebob



Have voted and left the game immediately after doing so.
Worth some notice I would think

Spongebob may just be catching up, he was one of the two modkills.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Gandalf can say anything he wants, but not lynching him will not allow us to find out if Indiana Jones is the real second sheriff or not.

That being said, Jones started this train on Gandalf first, so we should hear his response to Gandalf's defense.

I don't see how lynching him allows us to find out if Indiana Jones is the real second sheriff due to the likelihood of a framer. If it was a random guilty read on some lurker, then I would think wow, not much chance of that guy being framed AND checked on the same night. I just think that Gandalf is probably town and as such is too much of an asset to us to mislynch him just to prove that it can't be solidly proven whether or not Indiana Jones is a sheriff.

That being said, I do believe Indiana Jones is the sheriff. If we don't end up lynching Gandalf we should WIFOM sheriffs re-checking Gandalf to try to bait the framer to stay on Gandalf, thus increasing the chances that any checks on any other player are not affected by the framer.

Also, look. Another one of my town reads not wanting to lynch Gandalf. I'm glad that Agahnim also redacted his FoS on Jack Sparrow (#171) so they can stop the town on town drama and try to rebuild Jack Sparrow's town reputation lol. I'm pretty confident that Jack is town; I think I know him well enough to tell right away if he is scum or not. :P

[Inspector Cluseau]

I hate feeling like I'm grouping with the people posting before me, but I'll just say...

If one knows how to play citizen,
one knows how to act like a citizen when they aren't.

I personally see more benefit in going along with this lynch than not, and I'm getting a scummy vibe from Gandalf. Take that for what you will.

I don't know much about much, but this is fact. Lynch on Gandalf before day ends, please. :)

[FM Agahnim]

Is it just me or does Sherlock and Cluseau seem really itchy for this lynch?

[FM Sherlock]

You can lynch me today if you want, but you won't get any real leads if you do so, and you won't be able to confirm Jones's sheriff claim.

What sets me apart from Gandalf is that he is afraid of being lynched and I am not. I'll let you figure out the rest.

[FM Agahnim]

You can lynch me today if you want, but you won't get any real leads if you do so, and you won't be able to confirm Jones's sheriff claim.

What sets me apart from Gandalf is that he is afraid of being lynched and I am not. I'll let you figure out the rest.

I used this line as scum once :o

[Inspector Cluseau]

Is it just me or does Sherlock and Cluseau seem really itchy for this lynch?

Cluseau wants dat lynch. He is, however, not trying to push it prematurely.
Also, once again, I will mention that
1: Scum will not lynch on scum.
2: I voted (hammerd) the Consort.

Please use all of the day wanted to converse, but my vote is in and I would like us to not miss out is all.

[Inspector Cluseau]

You can lynch me today if you want, but you won't get any real leads if you do so, and you won't be able to confirm Jones's sheriff claim.

What sets me apart from Gandalf is that he is afraid of being lynched and I am not. I'll let you figure out the rest.

Cluseau is VERY much afraid to be lynched. Because being alive in FMs is far more fun. Please note that.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

I'm afraid to be lynched because then I'd have nothing to do the rest of the week :(

[FM Agahnim]

FM Gandalf (9 [L-29]):
FM Cookie Monster, FM Ceasar, FM Inspector Cluseau, FM Col Jack ONeill, FM Indiana Jones, FM Wile E Coyote, FM SpongeBob, FM The Joker, FM Sherlock

FM Sherlock (4 [L-34]):
FM Yoda, FM Locutus, FM Michigan J Frog, FM Captain Obvious

FM The Joker (1 [L-37]):
FM Prince Thrakhath



Some of my town reads there with the lynch tally put up.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Now this is something I would clearly expect from Mafia.

Just for your information, this guy is not talking like Gandalf. He is talking more like Saruman. You know what I mean, right?

lol. You just sound like the guy who wants Gandalf lynched so that you don't get lynched. Is this really townie behavior? I don't think so. To be honest, you sound like someone on the mafia team who is overexcited that the Framing was successful and is just pushing way too hard based on pr night actions and not on common sense.

Same goes for FM Inspector Cluseau.

[Inspector Cluseau]

FM Gandalf (9 [L-29]):
FM Cookie Monster, FM Ceasar, FM Inspector Cluseau, FM Col Jack ONeill, FM Indiana Jones, FM Wile E Coyote, FM SpongeBob, FM The Joker, FM Sherlock

FM Sherlock (4 [L-34]):
FM Yoda, FM Locutus, FM Michigan J Frog, FM Captain Obvious

FM The Joker (1 [L-37]):
FM Prince Thrakhath



Some of my town reads there with the lynch tally put up.

Greens are town?

[FM Gandalf]

Pretending not to care about getting lynched is mafia 101.

I do care about getting lynched. Here are my reasons

#1) I can help the town only by being alive. There are some other strongly pro-town players, but I'd bet at least one of them is actually mafia. I'd like to stay alive long enough to figure out which.
#2) Lynching me wastes a lynch. That matters, even though we have time to burn (for now).
#3) I enjoy playing FM, and I don't want my time in the game to be cut off so soon.
#4) I'm offended by the lurking & stupidity of many of the people riding my lynch train.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

13 people who haven't posted yet, hopefully some of them have useful information to add to this.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Cluseau wants dat lynch. He is, however, not trying to push it prematurely.

On this note- I would like everyone to take note that the lynch is L-11, not L-20. Since, once everyone posts/24 hours pass, the votes to lynch will drop to 20/38 instead of 38/38.

[FM Sherlock]

Gandalf's lynch train is hanging on Indiana Jones's sheriff claim. Therefore, we should wait for Jones to come back and see what he will say about Gandalf's defense.

If Indiana Jones says that he believes that Gandalf is town, then feel free to resume that lynch train on me. By that time, the vigilante will have a good selection of targets to shoot at.

[FM Gandalf]

Gandalf's lynch train is hanging on Indiana Jones's sheriff claim. Therefore, we should wait for Jones to come back and see what he will say about Gandalf's defense.

If Indiana Jones says that he believes that Gandalf is town, then feel free to resume that lynch train on me. By that time, the vigilante will have a good selection of targets to shoot at.

This makes no sense. Why would Indiana Jones's opinion on my case be special in any way? Why would his confidence in me be magically more special than (say) Agahnim's or Frog's? It's not like being sheriff gives him special info on the likelihood of me being framed.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Same goes for FM Inspector Cluseau.

I am going to say this a few more times before it sinks(<- Sinks, Yayap. Sinks) in fully.
Cluseau. Hammerd. Consort.

[FM SpongeBob]

Spongebob may just be catching up, he was one of the two modkills.

thanks for defending me, but it's not like I actually left the game. I guess by everyone's standard..welll... i am lurking. trying to get a good feel on the personalities at play.

[FM Agahnim]

thanks for defending me, but it's not like I actually left the game. I guess by everyone's standard..welll... i am lurking. trying to get a good feel on the personalities at play.

Provide us some insight then?

[FM Sherlock]

This makes no sense. Why would Indiana Jones's opinion on my case be special in any way? Why would his confidence in me be magically more special than (say) Agahnim's or Frog's? It's not like being sheriff gives him special info on the likelihood of me being framed.

Well, it's because I believe that Indiana Jones is the sheriff, simple as that.

We already lynched Watson, so why your case should be any different from his?

[FM Wolverine]

This makes no sense. Why would Indiana Jones's opinion on my case be special in any way? Why would his confidence in me be magically more special than (say) Agahnim's or Frog's? It's not like being sheriff gives him special info on the likelihood of me being framed.

Gandalf's got a point. All sheriff knows is he got a mafia result. Anything he says beyond that is speculation. That being said, he did get a guilty result. Gandalf is currently reading town, but yesterday he had more of a scum read, so I'm hesitant to label him one way or the other. Could be a townie that held unpopular views yesterday, or could be a mafia compensating for a bad first day in an attempt to repair his reputation.

While we're at it, we still haven't resolved the accusations against Sherlock. Though they were based purely on speculation (whereas we do have a sheriff lead on Gandalf, though it may be a false one) the discussion may lead us to more information. Perhaps we should explore this further, if we determine that Gandalf was, in fact, framed.

[FM SpongeBob]

both sherlock and gandalf will both do everything in there power to prevent them from having a short game, so i can easily see them trying to find a scapegoat.

as for scum tells, i dont see everyones justification on the hint of sherlock being scum. gandalf on the other hand is being claimed for mafia(so says a sheriff) whether that is true or not, is to be seen. i'm throwing in my lot with the sheriff, seems like the best option

[FM Gandalf]

From your perspective? Not much. Maybe that I have more reason to be framed, have acted more pro-town, and have more potential for contributing useful things.

From my perspective? I know I'm innocent, so I'm going to fight it as much as I can.

I believe that he's sheriff, too, by the way. But what are you saying? You trust his alignment, so you trust his judgment? Not wise.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Gandalf's got a point. All sheriff knows is he got a mafia result. Anything he says beyond that is speculation. That being said, he did get a guilty result. Gandalf is currently reading town, but yesterday he had more of a scum read, so I'm hesitant to label him one way or the other. Could be a townie that held unpopular views yesterday, or could be a mafia compensating for a bad first day in an attempt to repair his reputation.

While we're at it, we still haven't resolved the accusations against Sherlock. Though they were based purely on speculation (whereas we do have a sheriff lead on Gandalf, though it may be a false one) the discussion may lead us to more information. Perhaps we should explore this further, if we determine that Gandalf was, in fact, framed.

Framer.

[FM Wolverine]

Framer.

Because I stated that I don't know? I'm currently leaning toward believing Gandalf, I just think it's weird that he reads scum one day and town the next. That's why I'm hesitant and would rather discuss other potential leads (Sherlock, or anyone else, for that matter) because I have "reasonable doubt" on the claim that Gandalf is scum.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

This makes no sense. Why would Indiana Jones's opinion on my case be special in any way? Why would his confidence in me be magically more special than (say) Agahnim's or Frog's? It's not like being sheriff gives him special info on the likelihood of me being framed.

Well, his sheriff claim gives him (and Yosemite Sam) the benefit of being >95% confirmed town. Confirmed town opinions always will carry some weight.


I am going to say this a few more times before it sinks(<- Sinks, Yayap. Sinks) in fully.
Cluseau. Hammerd. Consort.

Just because you hammered the consort doesn't mean that you're not scum. In fact, you could be scum who specifically wanted to be on that train in order to prove "evidence" of your innocence later on. That train was moving so fast that it was obvious Watson was going to be lynched. I actually think not being on Watson's lynch is more of a town-tell than being on his lynch because townies don't have to worry about maintaining their voting record to try to prove their innocence later down the road. The way you keep bringing this up is raising a few red flags for me.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Gandalf's got a point. All sheriff knows is he got a mafia result. Anything he says beyond that is speculation. That being said, he did get a guilty result. Gandalf is currently reading town, but yesterday he had more of a scum read, so I'm hesitant to label him one way or the other. Could be a townie that held unpopular views yesterday, or could be a mafia compensating for a bad first day in an attempt to repair his reputation.

While we're at it, we still haven't resolved the accusations against Sherlock. Though they were based purely on speculation (whereas we do have a sheriff lead on Gandalf, though it may be a false one) the discussion may lead us to more information. Perhaps we should explore this further, if we determine that Gandalf was, in fact, framed.

So, Wolverine. What do you think of the accusations against Sherlock? Scumtell? Misuse of language by town?

I've got you as a null read for not really contributing much. Give me something so I may discern more about your alignment. I think the more town reads we get the less room there is for scum to hide in.

[FM Sherlock]

Yeah, and this is the reason why I didn't jump and Watson train immediately. I could vote him later on but Day 1 has already ended when I returned. But don't let the existence of the framer scare you that much.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

People should stop competing for who trusts Jones to be the sheriff the most, we have 1 essentially confirmed sheriff barring an extremely lucky citizen guess. Claiming the second sheriff slot would almost immediately have brought some kind of attention from the actual second sheriff and is a terrible idea. We're all 90% he's sheriff.

Gandalf is acting exactly how I would as a mafia in his position, fighting to convince the town not to lynch him while attempting to ally himself with the known (or most likely) PRs and hinting at his own usefulness instead of contributing anything actually relevant to the discussion. We have a (likely true) sheriff claim with evidence against you, a known framer is out there but the chances of you getting framed are not wonderful. You're also seeking to plant as much doubt in the people who are FOR your lynch as possible without a lot of good reasoning while ignoring the obvious benefits of a lynch against you, namely more information than we'd get from lynching virtually anyone else at this time. Self-preservation is not an ideal strategy for a citizen who should be more concerned with aiding the town as a whole.

Gandalf is not a citizen, I can almost guarantee. He is also most likely not the vigilante, doctor, or (obviously)sheriff.

That leaves: only 3 of 30 possible slots he could be if town, ze odds are nawt gudt.

My 2 cents.

12 people still unaccounted for, though we're only a few hours into day 2 yet

[Inspector Cluseau]

Just because you hammered the consort doesn't mean that you're not scum. In fact, you could be scum who specifically wanted to be on that train in order to prove "evidence" of your innocence later on. That train was moving so fast that it was obvious Watson was going to be lynched. I actually think not being on Watson's lynch is more of a town-tell than being on his lynch because townies don't have to worry about maintaining their voting record to try to prove their innocence later down the road. The way you keep bringing this up is raising a few red flags for me.

I was pro-hypoclaim.
Find a moment that I defended the Consort.
Compare other current leads with their vote yesterday.
Check all other players to post reads on me.

I believe scum would not vote on scum, but even if scum would do it in the event of a lynch landslide, please track a moment that I was defending him. I was AFK for a bit, but I have not been some lurker that just fell into a poor lynch and had to do it to hide.
I am Town, and apparently the only one to not blindly accuse people who have been obviously Town the whole time.

[Inspector Cluseau]

People should stop competing for who trusts Jones to be the sheriff the most
I, too, like secret messages, Col.
This made me lol, hard

[FM Gandalf]

Inspector, being pro-hypo is not a point in your favor. Hypos will help mafia in the long run: the true pro-town side on that one is mine.

Scum would absolutely vote on scum, and indeed in the early game hammering scum is a lot more likely than helping to start a train.

Colonel Jack is hilariously wrong about his read on me. But he is right that I've been spending too much time defending myself & not enough saying other useful things. That will change soon: I'm about halfway done making my notes about the game so far. I expect to be able to post the relevant parts tomorrow evening (i.e. in about 19 hours). Please don't end the day before I get a chance to.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Inspector, being pro-hypo is not a point in your favor. Hypos will help mafia in the long run: the true pro-town side on that one is mine.

Scum would absolutely vote on scum, and indeed in the early game hammering scum is a lot more likely than helping to start a train.

Colonel Jack is hilariously wrong about his read on me. But he is right that I've been spending too much time defending myself & not enough saying other useful things. That will change soon: I'm about halfway done making my notes about the game so far. I expect to be able to post the relevant parts tomorrow evening (i.e. in about 19 hours). Please don't end the day before I get a chance to.

Yes, proven scum, please accuse me more.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Well, his sheriff claim gives him (and Yosemite Sam) the benefit of being >95% confirmed town. Confirmed town opinions always will carry some weight.



Just because you hammered the consort doesn't mean that you're not scum. In fact, you could be scum who specifically wanted to be on that train in order to prove "evidence" of your innocence later on. That train was moving so fast that it was obvious Watson was going to be lynched. I actually think not being on Watson's lynch is more of a town-tell than being on his lynch because townies don't have to worry about maintaining their voting record to try to prove their innocence later down the road. The way you keep bringing this up is raising a few red flags for me.


http://i.imgur.com/lJY41.jpg

I was gone all d1, yayap had to pester me to post before day ended, otherwise I'd have been more active.

Yayap is asleep:
http://i.imgur.com/e5Vhf.jpg?2

[Inspector Cluseau]

Please don't end the day before I get a chance to.

Ah, yes, the 'let me live longer' ploy.

[FM Agahnim]

Inspector, being pro-hypo is not a point in your favor. Hypos will help mafia in the long run: the true pro-town side on that one is mine.

Scum would absolutely vote on scum, and indeed in the early game hammering scum is a lot more likely than helping to start a train.

Colonel Jack is hilariously wrong about his read on me. But he is right that I've been spending too much time defending myself & not enough saying other useful things. That will change soon: I'm about halfway done making my notes about the game so far. I expect to be able to post the relevant parts tomorrow evening (i.e. in about 19 hours). Please don't end the day before I get a chance to.

See now. If it were me, I would post an excerpt of what I have now as proof I'm doing as I say.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

I am Town, and apparently the only one to not blindly accuse people who have been obviously Town the whole time.

I haven't accused anyone, I've just made observations on existing accusations. Does that make me non-town? :P

[Inspector Cluseau]

http://i.imgur.com/lJY41.jpg

I am Citizen.

Yayap is asleep:
DON"T POST SINKS!

You suspect me as da Mafia then Col?

[Inspector Cluseau]

I haven't accused anyone, I've just made observations on existing accusations. Does that make me non-town? :P

No. You are Town.

[FM Wolverine]

So, Wolverine. What do you think of the accusations against Sherlock? Scumtell? Misuse of language by town?

I've got you as a null read for not really contributing much. Give me something so I may discern more about your alignment. I think the more town reads we get the less room there is for scum to hide in.

Aside from being busy lately, when I do get on I try to read through everything before I make any posts so that I can be aware of the flow of the conversation and be relatively informed. Once I've done that, I like to be very conservative in making (and sharing) my judgments until I have a degree of certainty that my theories are sound.

That being said, you asked, so I'll give you my preliminary read of Sherlock. Ceasar picked up on an interesting omission in Sherlock's d1 post that I think could very well be indicative of guilt, but isn't enough for me to vote for him on its own. However, his defense is centered around diverting focus back to Gandalf. And that, to me, reads more scum than the post Ceasar initially pointed out.

[FM Gandalf]

See now. If it were me, I would post an excerpt of what I have now as proof I'm doing as I say.

Agahnim

Accusations: Sparrow (d1r149); Kermit (d1r160); Sparrow consig (d1r200); Rubber Ducky(d1r261); Yoda (d1r268); WileE (d1r271)
Arguments: d1r274(cluseau); sparrow (d1r276)
Oddities: d1r167(scum list doesn't include earlier accusations? Yoda, Ducky, Arthur)
Comments: d1r13("inb4 Yoda is scum") d1r49(helpful roles list)
Votes: Sparrow (d1r200)

I'm still in the middle of day 1.

Happy?

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

You suspect me as da Mafia then Col?

I suspect everyone except for like 3 or 4 people. Also if people start saying I roleclaimed because of you I'm going to need an appropriate picture of Col Jack.

[Inspector Cluseau]

I suspect everyone except for like 3 or 4 people. Also if people start saying I roleclaimed because of you I'm going to need an appropriate picture of Col Jack.

I think everything will work out.

[FM Agahnim]

Agahnim

Accusations: Sparrow (d1r149); Kermit (d1r160); Sparrow consig (d1r200); Rubber Ducky(d1r261); Yoda (d1r268); WileE (d1r271)
Arguments: d1r274(cluseau); sparrow (d1r276)
Oddities: d1r167(scum list doesn't include earlier accusations? Yoda, Ducky, Arthur)
Comments: d1r13("inb4 Yoda is scum") d1r49(helpful roles list)
Votes: Sparrow (d1r200)

I'm still in the middle of day 1.

Happy?

Yes actually but dafuq are the numbers

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Yes actually but dafuq are the numbers

day 1 reply # I'd assume.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Agahnim

Accusations: Sparrow (d1r149); Kermit (d1r160); Sparrow consig (d1r200); Rubber Ducky(d1r261); Yoda (d1r268); WileE (d1r271)
Arguments: d1r274(cluseau); sparrow (d1r276)
Oddities: d1r167(scum list doesn't include earlier accusations? Yoda, Ducky, Arthur)
Comments: d1r13("inb4 Yoda is scum") d1r49(helpful roles list)
Votes: Sparrow (d1r200)

I'm still in the middle of day 1.

Happy?

No. Format intelligently, then double or triple. Then summarize.

[FM Sherlock]

So what is wrong with me diverting focus to Gandalf? Anyone would start to vote Gandalf after Jones's sheriff claim, especially after the first mafia was found out by Sam. It's only the natural reaction.

If I did not vote Gandalf immediately, would that be an unnatural action from me? I even explained my reasons for voting him.

So how about you measure our actions in those 4 cases:

1. I am scum and Gandalf is Mafia
2. I am town and Gandalf is Mafia
3. I am scum and Gandalf is town
4. I am town and Gandalf is town

Where each of us would act naturally and where not? What are your specualtions on this?

[FM Gandalf]

day 1 reply # I'd assume.

This.

[Inspector Cluseau]

day 1 reply # I'd assume.
Wolverine as Framer?
But his formatting is weird and hard to determine who he is directing his notes at- offensively or defensively.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Please reformat.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Because I stated that I don't know? I'm currently leaning toward believing Gandalf, I just think it's weird that he reads scum one day and town the next. That's why I'm hesitant and would rather discuss other potential leads (Sherlock, or anyone else, for that matter) because I have "reasonable doubt" on the claim that Gandalf is scum.

Look at this scum.

[FM Wolverine]

So what is wrong with me diverting focus to Gandalf? Anyone would start to vote Gandalf after Jones's sheriff claim, especially after the first mafia was found out by Sam. It's only the natural reaction.

If I did not vote Gandalf immediately, would that be an unnatural action from me? I even explained my reasons for voting him.

So how about you measure our actions in those 4 cases:

1. I am scum and Gandalf is Mafia
2. I am town and Gandalf is Mafia
3. I am scum and Gandalf is town
4. I am town and Gandalf is town

Where each of us would act naturally and where not? What are your specualtions on this?

I'm not going to do that. Here's why: acting "naturally" consists of the same thing for both mafia and scum. You want to appear to be town, while appearing to kill/identify scum (though the town, of course, want to actually kill/identify scum). So evaluating based on simply voting with a sheriff/defending yourself from lynch is not a good way to assess alignment.

For example, a framer who framed Gandalf would be just as eager to support the sheriff in lynching him as would a member of town. So the fact that you immediately voted for him earns you no town points. But you lose points by making your defense about accusing him instead of about proving yourself innocent.

Gandalf presented a defense that didn't exactly prove his innocence, but was based on weighing the pros and cons of lynching him for the town. Yours not only did not prove your innocence, but attempted to point the finger at someone else. The fact is: even IF Gandalf is scum, you could still be too. It's not as if confirming Gandalf's guilt would support your case, which means that it's just a diversionary tactic aimed at buying you some time. If you don't want to be lynched, give the town a reason why they shouldn't lynch you.

[FM Wolverine]

Look at this scum.

lol I'm done. Differing opinions = scum, apparently.

[Inspector Cluseau]

lol I'm done. Differing opinions = scum, apparently.

Town: Replys
Scum: Runs