D2: One down, Seven to go!

[FM King Tut]

Go find Queen Tit.

She is bant.

[Forum Mafia GM]

GM is going to bed.





...Posting sinks will get you infracted. (as some people have found out)

[FM Pinkie Pie]

"I don't want to make enemies" vibe

FM Animal
FM Anubis
FM Bridge Keeper
FM Count von Count
FM Frankenstein
FM Gimli
FM Kermit
FM Lone Ranger
FM Rubber Ducky
FM SpongeBob
FM The Joker
FM Yoda
FM Yosemite Sam

[FM Pinkie Pie]

"See me not, think me not"

FM Anubis
FM Batman
FM Lone Ranger

[FM King Tut]

where the hell is queen tit on that list

[FM King Tut]

btw eggnog and crown royal = win

[FM Pinkie Pie]

"Trolls"

FM Master Chef
FM Prince Thrakhath

[FM Pinkie Pie]

"Trolls"

FM Master Chef
FM Prince Thrakhath

FM King Tut

[FM Pinkie Pie]

"Must not be trusted"

FM Gandalf
FM Jack Sparrow
FM King Arthur
FM King Tut

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Greetings mentlegen. If I could please grab your attention to a post made by Mr. Holmes yesterday while the train was rolling against Watson.



Big thing here. He doesn't say roleblocked, he says witched. Again, this post was made when Watson (aka: The Consort) is inevitably going to be lynched. The only people who knew that Watson was specifically going to flip Consort was the Mafia. Sherlock forgets to mention the Consort in his statement, talking like the Witch is going be the only anti-town disruptor heading into night 2. Not willing to believe it was just a typo.

FM Sherlock

Meh,I believe Ceasar.
FM Sherlock

And yes, I was witched xD

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Meh,I believe Ceasar.
FM Sherlock

And yes, I was witched xD

You info helps, your vote doesn't. We are not lynching.

[FM Gandalf]

Ok, so here I go.

First of all, the day must not end until these two things happen:
1. Yosemite Sam tells us about last night. Was he witched? Or does he have results to share?
2. Robin Hood needs to speak up. I read him as a citizen, at the moment, but he said some odd things yesterday.

Second, highlights from my notes:

I suspect that Pinkie Pie and Batman are members of the mafia together.


Pinkie is the only player who voted both days, who votes for me today, and who didn't vote for Watson yesterday. (Though, like me, she claims that the day ended too early for her.) The players who are voting for me today but didn't vote at all yesterday are: Batman, Sherlock, The Joker, and SpongeBob (who was modkilled, so less guilty).

Pinkie is one of our most paranoid players (note how she keeps insisting that the mafia is trying to frame her). Also, of all the players who've ventured a number today, she is the one who rates my chances of being framed the highest. (If you look at day 2 reply 307, she gives me a 25% chance of being framed. Others have given me 1/5 or as low as 1/30.) She's willing to give it such a large probability because she knows I was framed. On day 1, reply 233, she made an odd statement: "Escort don’t block SK." I can't exactly figure out what she means by this, but if she's claiming that she knows the escort didn't block the SK during night 1... how would she know that? Perhaps because she was attacked by the SK and survived? She makes a lot of useless, indecisive, or traffic-directing posts, all of which contribute to scummy "active lurking" behavior.

Batman, like I've said, is also incriminated by his voting patterns. Moreover most of his posts have been useless, except for a big post on day 2 reply 262, which accuses people I read as innocent and excuses people I consider scummy. On Day 2, reply 437, he makes a pretty odd comment: "Also, Jack essentially outed himself as scum, trying to establish
communication. Or i would know no reason why he feels the need to share his views on who the vigi might be." I don't quite follow what he's getting at here--it sounds like he's operating from some information that we don't publicly have.

What links the two of them, in my view?

#1) Pinkie Pie randomly addresses Batman on day 2, reply 490, giving him advice on his avatar. The post she's responding to is a ways back, on reply 437. This strikes me as an inexperienced mafia member being paying too much attention to random comments made by a teammate.

#2) Pinkie makes an unusual comment the serial killer, day 2 reply 308:

So I think mafia were active yesterday and SK became active today.
Now notice what Batman says about Jack Sparrow, day 2 reply 262:


Jack Sparrow - He posts a lot. I wonder if scum suddenly became more active, seeing how watson had quite a few posts on day 1.

Now, the connection strikes me as especially interesting because I believe that Jack Sparrow is the serial killer.

Why? First, Jack doesn't have any obvious patterns connecting him to scum blocks I've detected, so if he's scum, he's flying solo. Next, take a look at Day 2 Reply 320: he suggests that The Terminator was killed because Terminator suspected Animal of being the SK. This possibility occurred to me too (and to Michigan, Day 2 reply 7), so Animal is currently my second best guess for SK. But I think it's more likely that Jack is trying to frame Animal. I think later in the day Jack realized that maybe he was a little too obvious about it and is trying to escape suspicion by WIFOMing the issue and outright claiming SK (see Day 2 reply 331). Overall, he has done a very good job of acting like a pro-town discussion leader, so my accusation needs to be taken with a grain of salt. At the same time, though, he has made some slip-ups that indicate he's not taking notes as closely as a player of his skill level should. (For example, he thinks that Wile E Coyote voted him on day 1, and he thinks that Mr T was spamming along with Master Chef, when in fact Mr T voted Master Chef on day 1. All possibly honest slipups, to be fair (and God knows I've made my fair share of them too), but the evidence accumulates...

As for the witch, I think the likeliest candidate is Sherlock. Based on Watson's comment of passing off the reins on Day 1, I don't think that the 2 were both on the mafia. But Sherlock has acted plenty scummy in a variety of ways, including focusing on the witch on Day 1, even in posts that Ceasar didn't point out. (See, for example, Day 1 reply 444.) Again, this could be an honest & innocent obsession with a particular role (I've done this too), but his behavior today really hasn't helped his case. A comment that stands out to me comes from Day 2, Reply 251: "I don't see how that post could tie me with Watson." He's annoyed because there shouldn't be a way to tie him to Watson, since they in fact aren't on the same team. What he misses is that his post ties him to the role of witch, not to the player Watson.

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Other characters I think are probably mafia are:
Cookie Monster
Locutus
and
Master Chef

My evidence for these is weaker, but you'll note that they scrupulously avoid accusing each other, and in fact each of them has made a case against at least one player I consider strongly pro-town. Locutus and Cookie Monster should both be watched especially carefully, because they both post a decent amount but rarely contribute anything. Their posts are usually all indecision, acting helpful by saying the obvious, directing traffic ("Jailor should do this. Let's make a list of people for sheriff to check" etc), and so on. I don't want active lurkers like this to fly under the radar.

As for the real lurkers, it's really hard to know if they're bored citizens, town PR's, or hiding scum. They should die one way or another, but I'm not going to venture guesses about their alignment based on minimal evidence.

I'll be making another post about myself and some players who I trust, but for now I'll be happy to take questions about any of my accusations here.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

On the note I'm at 10'th page so don't take what i just posted seriosuly,too much intel not readead yet.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Ok, so here I go.

First of all, the day must not end until these two things happen:
1. Yosemite Sam tells us about last night. Was he witched? Or does he have results to share?
2. Robin Hood needs to speak up. I read him as a citizen, at the moment, but he said some odd things yesterday.

Second, highlights from my notes:

I suspect that Pinkie Pie and Batman are members of the mafia together.


Pinkie is the only player who voted both days, who votes for me today, and who didn't vote for Watson yesterday. (Though, like me, she claims that the day ended too early for her.) The players who are voting for me today but didn't vote at all yesterday are: Batman, Sherlock, The Joker, and SpongeBob (who was modkilled, so less guilty).

Pinkie is one of our most paranoid players (note how she keeps insisting that the mafia is trying to frame her). Also, of all the players who've ventured a number today, she is the one who rates my chances of being framed the highest. (If you look at day 2 reply 307, she gives me a 25% chance of being framed. Others have given me 1/5 or as low as 1/30.) She's willing to give it such a large probability because she knows I was framed. On day 1, reply 233, she made an odd statement: "Escort don’t block SK." I can't exactly figure out what she means by this, but if she's claiming that she knows the escort didn't block the SK during night 1... how would she know that? Perhaps because she was attacked by the SK and survived? She makes a lot of useless, indecisive, or traffic-directing posts, all of which contribute to scummy "active lurking" behavior.

Batman, like I've said, is also incriminated by his voting patterns. Moreover most of his posts have been useless, except for a big post on day 2 reply 262, which accuses people I read as innocent and excuses people I consider scummy. On Day 2, reply 437, he makes a pretty odd comment: "Also, Jack essentially outed himself as scum, trying to establish
communication. Or i would know no reason why he feels the need to share his views on who the vigi might be." I don't quite follow what he's getting at here--it sounds like he's operating from some information that we don't publicly have.

What links the two of them, in my view?

#1) Pinkie Pie randomly addresses Batman on day 2, reply 490, giving him advice on his avatar. The post she's responding to is a ways back, on reply 437. This strikes me as an inexperienced mafia member being paying too much attention to random comments made by a teammate.

#2) Pinkie makes an unusual comment the serial killer, day 2 reply 308:

Now notice what Batman says about Jack Sparrow, day 2 reply 262:


Now, the connection strikes me as especially interesting because I believe that Jack Sparrow is the serial killer.

Why? First, Jack doesn't have any obvious patterns connecting him to scum blocks I've detected, so if he's scum, he's flying solo. Next, take a look at Day 2 Reply 320: he suggests that The Terminator was killed because Terminator suspected Animal of being the SK. This possibility occurred to me too (and to Michigan, Day 2 reply 7), so Animal is currently my second best guess for SK. But I think it's more likely that Jack is trying to frame Animal. I think later in the day Jack realized that maybe he was a little too obvious about it and is trying to escape suspicion by WIFOMing the issue and outright claiming SK (see Day 2 reply 331). Overall, he has done a very good job of acting like a pro-town discussion leader, so my accusation needs to be taken with a grain of salt. At the same time, though, he has made some slip-ups that indicate he's not taking notes as closely as a player of his skill level should. (For example, he thinks that Wile E Coyote voted him on day 1, and he thinks that Mr T was spamming along with Master Chef, when in fact Mr T voted Master Chef on day 1. All possibly honest slipups, to be fair (and God knows I've made my fair share of them too), but the evidence accumulates...

As for the witch, I think the likeliest candidate is Sherlock. Based on Watson's comment of passing off the reins on Day 1, I don't think that the 2 were both on the mafia. But Sherlock has acted plenty scummy in a variety of ways, including focusing on the witch on Day 1, even in posts that Ceasar didn't point out. (See, for example, Day 1 reply 444.) Again, this could be an honest & innocent obsession with a particular role (I've done this too), but his behavior today really hasn't helped his case. A comment that stands out to me comes from Day 2, Reply 251: "I don't see how that post could tie me with Watson." He's annoyed because there shouldn't be a way to tie him to Watson, since they in fact aren't on the same team. What he misses is that his post ties him to the role of witch, not to the player Watson.

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Other characters I think are probably mafia are:
Cookie Monster
Locutus
and
Master Chef

My evidence for these is weaker, but you'll note that they scrupulously avoid accusing each other, and in fact each of them has made a case against at least one player I consider strongly pro-town. Locutus and Cookie Monster should both be watched especially carefully, because they both post a decent amount but rarely contribute anything. Their posts are usually all indecision, acting helpful by saying the obvious, directing traffic ("Jailor should do this. Let's make a list of people for sheriff to check" etc), and so on. I don't want active lurkers like this to fly under the radar.

As for the real lurkers, it's really hard to know if they're bored citizens, town PR's, or hiding scum. They should die one way or another, but I'm not going to venture guesses about their alignment based on minimal evidence.

I'll be making another post about myself and some players who I trust, but for now I'll be happy to take questions about any of my accusations here.

That's all? Gooby plz! Me Serial killer? But Master chef is the Serial killer. Nice try though. So thats why you didn't vote me yesterday and claimed you had a town read? Hurdur. Since i am not the Serial killer i don't think keeping you around makes much sense to me. Because your read on me is too way off.

[FM Count von Count]

"Must not be trusted"

FM Gandalf
FM Jack Sparrow
FM King Arthur
FM King Tut

King Arthur is definitely scum for he is role playing and that is the definition of scum.

[FM King Tut]

Yay im on 2 lists!

[FM Yosemite Sam]

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[FM Gandalf]

As for myself, I am one of our two Doctors. I had hoped that maybe I could avoid getting lynched or vigi-shot by faking citizen, but by now it's pretty clear that there'll be no such luck. The only remaining hope is that WIFOM will protect me from a mafia/sk hit tonight.

On night 1, I healed King Arthur (who wasn't attacked, btw), which I picked for RP reasons: as a wizard, I figured I'd act as the Merlin to his Arthur. I marked my relationship with him at the beginning of the day with my posts: my first post was relevant & honest about my ability to participate in the game. My next post was a troll-post responding to Arthur's grammar--as you know by now, I'm not a player who troll posts habitually: I did this specifically to indicate my n1 target. (You'll note how closely this resembles hypo-ing, which is partially why I was in favor of the plan when it was initially proposed). There was some other proof having to do with my original avatar (Rumpelstiltskin from "Once Upon a Time") but it sounds a little farfetched, & I'm not sure anyone even remembers that avatar anyway.

Last night I healed my best guess for blacksmith, whose name I'm not going to release.


Regarding my reads on town members, I think this needs to be kept relatively vague, but I'd put my trust in Arthur, Michigan, Wile E Coyote, Yosemite, Indiana Jones, Yoda, and Hungry, as long as their arguments continue to make sense. Agahnim, Inspector Cluseau, and Colonel Jack are on the borderline for me--probably town, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Likewise for Jack, like I said he's done a good job of acting mostly pro-town, so if my guess about him is wrong, he's not a bad guy to trust either. My thoughts on power roles I won't be sharing.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

After reading with a fast pace...
To the vigilante: Kill the idiot sherlock.
To the Jailer:
Option 1(risky):Jail Gandalf and ask for role,if he claims bull shit and doesn't seem trusted just execute him,as we already revealed second Sheriff.
Option 2 (eazy):Jail Sparrow and insta exe
Option 3 and 4 (medium):Jail Wolverine or FM Prince Thrakhath,ask them for their roles and if even the slightest shit seems fishy,EXECUTE AND DONT EVEN CARE!

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Escort don’t block SK.

Now that you showed it. Me neither.


25% chance of being framed

So I called you 75% mafia. If you want me to lower it, fine. Make it 5% and now you are 95% mafia.


She makes a lot of useless, indecisive, or traffic-directing posts, all of which contribute to scummy "active lurking" behavior.

Sorry for being indecisive and not directing the traffic to lynch you more strongly.


#1) Pinkie Pie randomly addresses Batman on day 2, reply 490, giving him advice on his avatar.

Please elaborate.


#2) Pinkie makes an unusual comment the serial killer, day 2 reply 308

Now notice what Batman says about Jack Sparrow, day 2 reply 262:

Great imagination. You never disappoint!


Pinkie is one of our most paranoid players (note how she keeps insisting that the mafia is trying to frame her).

Then give me a better reason why Bunny is dead. Besides mafia sucks.


Jack Sparrow is the serial killer.


As for the witch, I think the likeliest candidate is Sherlock.

Gandalf the MVP.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Saruman, what happened to your detailed reads?

Most of your reads on me are AFTER you say you will show us something.


As for myself, I am one of our two Doctors.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!


Gandalf shows notes at T-1 minute. Grand reveal. I AM DOCTOR!

Yayap locks thread. Night fall.




skip

You are sheriff. But why skip day and end discussion early?

[FM Jack Sparrow]

My Dear Gandalf. Your whole Textwall hits me hard as constructed.

Pinkie Pie is clearly derp town

Batman even tried to not get you lynched which implies to me that he is probably scum but not neccessarily mafia. Might be neutral scum.

Master Chef is trolling hard but our Kilrathi guy from yesterday is way more scummy than him. Where is that guy on your list? Where is Mr. T?

Locutus had less posts but they were pro town. I agree those posts are easy constructable to look pro town and i really want to hear more from him because i agree on him looking scummy.

Cookie Monster seems like another derp town to me so far.


Your facts and connections seem a bit too far off of what i had expected. To be honest. But i know its hard to get believable connections up in time. Especially when there aren't any. I give you credit for it.


Anyway. Mc Gyver was right. Sadly.

[FM Gandalf]

By the way, I think that Yoda has the right reason for the mafia killing Mr. Bunny: his initial RP post of "What's up, docs?" seems like a subtle role claim that someone could use later on. If the mafia caught that, I can see why they'd want to kill him. What I don't believe is that the mafia is dumb: they made an excellent framing decision last night and a potentially well-informed kill as well (which happened not to pan out for them).

Regarding Indiana Jones, I believe 100% that he is a sheriff. He focused on that role a lot during day 1 (see reply 262, reply 290, reply 476 all from day 1). His claim against me is, of course, unlikely to be faked. He's thus one of the top people I trust to be a town member, along with Yosemite and King Arthur (of whose innocence I think I've found proof, but which I don't want to share).

[FM Yosemite Sam]

After reading with a fast pace...

To the vigilante: Kill the idiot sherlock.

To the Jailer:
Option 1(risky):Jail Gandalf and ask for role,if he claims bull shit and doesn't seem trusted just execute him,as we already revealed second Sheriff.

Option 2 (eazy):Jail Sparrow and insta exe

Option 3 and 4 (medium):Jail Wolverine or FM Prince Thrakhath,ask them for their roles and if even the slightest shit seems fishy,EXECUTE



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[FM Jack Sparrow]

As for myself, I am one of our two Doctors. I had hoped that maybe I could avoid getting lynched or vigi-shot by faking citizen, but by now it's pretty clear that there'll be no such luck. The only remaining hope is that WIFOM will protect me from a mafia/sk hit tonight.

On night 1, I healed King Arthur (who wasn't attacked, btw), which I picked for RP reasons: as a wizard, I figured I'd act as the Merlin to his Arthur. I marked my relationship with him at the beginning of the day with my posts: my first post was relevant & honest about my ability to participate in the game. My next post was a troll-post responding to Arthur's grammar--as you know by now, I'm not a player who troll posts habitually: I did this specifically to indicate my n1 target. (You'll note how closely this resembles hypo-ing, which is partially why I was in favor of the plan when it was initially proposed). There was some other proof having to do with my original avatar (Rumpelstiltskin from "Once Upon a Time") but it sounds a little farfetched, & I'm not sure anyone even remembers that avatar anyway.

Last night I healed my best guess for blacksmith, whose name I'm not going to release.


Regarding my reads on town members, I think this needs to be kept relatively vague, but I'd put my trust in Arthur, Michigan, Wile E Coyote, Yosemite, Indiana Jones, Yoda, and Hungry, as long as their arguments continue to make sense. Agahnim, Inspector Cluseau, and Colonel Jack are on the borderline for me--probably town, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Likewise for Jack, like I said he's done a good job of acting mostly pro-town, so if my guess about him is wrong, he's not a bad guy to trust either. My thoughts on power roles I won't be sharing.

Exactly the TPR claim i expected. The one which might keep you alive for at least another Night n Day circle. Because we have 2 of them no one will counter claim this.

[FM Gandalf]

Exactly the TPR claim i expected.

Congrats--you aren't an idiot. But we knew that already.

I never lied about my role, and in fact I tried hinting (progressively more strongly) that this is what I am, so that maybe the train could be averted without me being dragged into the open.

[FM Agahnim]

Agahnim, Inspector Cluseau, and Colonel Jack are on the borderline for me--probably town, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

1. I am obvious town.
2. You lead me and the others in our brief interactions to believe that you were a citizen and now you are claiming doc.
3. The fact that you are redacting your secondary heal target is scummy to me. It is an attempt to tie you in with the most obvious of town among us.

[FM Gandalf]

You think it would be hard to pick a plausible townie & say I healed him? You'll notice I have no trouble saying who I do or don't have a positive read on. I specifically don't want to say because the purpose of day chat is not to hunt for town power roles.

[FM Count von Count]

Well I am going to claim Cit, can gunsmith send me a gun cus I wanna feel important, also how am I not even included in anyones lists, I am important too....ish

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Saruman your team sucks for killing Bunny. I mean, for "What's up doc?". Level 1 townhunt. You can never be Sauron.

Do we still need to debate about Indiana Jones?

DOCTORS DON'T CLAIM! THIS IS A TRICK!

Saruman wants to kill doctors and then end the sheriffs!

[FM Pinkie Pie]

I offer my head for Saruman's!

If he is not mafia, kill me!

[FM Jack Sparrow]

You think it would be hard to pick a plausible townie & say I healed him? You'll notice I have no trouble saying who I do or don't have a positive read on. I specifically don't want to say because the purpose of day chat is not to hunt for town power roles.

Your day 1 play doesn't add up to your Medical degree i am afraid. Buddying with me. Because you knew i was high likely to flip town when i would get lynched and you could go like: " I TOLD YOU SO!" To score town points. Now your Serial killer read on me is just too far fetched. Inb4 you are the serial killer which were framed last night by the Mafia and gets lynched today for the lulz.

Well whatever. MAybe you are what you claim maybe you are not. I must admit that i am pretty sure that you are scum which was just unlucky last night.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

By the way, I think that Yoda has the right reason for the mafia killing Mr. Bunny: his initial RP post of "What's up, docs?" seems like a subtle role claim that someone could use later on. If the mafia caught that, I can see why they'd want to kill him. What I don't believe is that the mafia is dumb: they made an excellent framing decision last night and a potentially well-informed kill as well (which happened not to pan out for them).

Regarding Indiana Jones, I believe 100% that he is a sheriff. He focused on that role a lot during day 1 (see reply 262, reply 290, reply 476 all from day 1). His claim against me is, of course, unlikely to be faked. He's thus one of the top people I trust to be a town member, along with Yosemite and King Arthur (of whose innocence I think I've found proof, but which I don't want to share).

Not so sure about your innocence after reading some of what you have to say. If anything, I think that the reasoning you just posted for why mafia tried to kill Mr. Bunny makes me think that it was your own reasoning in the mafia night chat and now you're trying to point out the nuance and skill that went into determining that night kill. Some guys who think they're hot shots can't stand people not praising them for their talents. I purposefully tried to imply that the mafia mindlessly killed Mr. Bunny the lurker to see who would take the bait (just conf. town Yoda & scum Cluseau briefly mentioned it) but now I guess you also had to explain the great nuance that went into your night kill selection pick.

There's also something else you did that I found really suspicious, but I'm not going to point it out just yet so I can see if that clue helps me elucidate a bit more of this puzzle and catch someone else you've implicated in a trap.

Gonna read up a bit more on King Arthur since I've been reading this with a town Gandalf perspective. Gonna read a bit and see if scum Gandalf makes more sense now. Let it be known I no longer oppose your lynch.

[FM Gandalf]

Buddying with you? Hardly. Arguing against a town going off on foolish logic? Exactly.

I don't claim that my reads are infallible. But I'm using logic that has worked well in the past and can point to specific actions that justify my suspicions. It's too bad that I won't have more time to refine my observations--two night/day cycles isn't a lot to go on.

When I flip town, please reconsider my posts in light of the fact that they were sincere.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

1. I am obvious town.
2. You lead me and the others in our brief interactions to believe that you were a citizen and now you are claiming doc.
3. The fact that you are redacting your secondary heal target is scummy to me. It is an attempt to tie you in with the most obvious of town among us.

You were obvious town day 1 but your day 2 behaviour doesn't add up to day 1. Everyone can accuse people on day 1 over and over again for "minor" slips. No one here is town until i read it in the epilogue or from the grave yard.

@ Gandalf i don't take notes when i am town. It's more effective to just throw half assed facts into the day chat to produce responses. Coyote almost only comes to participate if you call him scum and this is a fact. So i gave him a chance to defend himself. So i got something to read. It's simple and it's effective.

[FM Agahnim]

Anyone notice Rubber Ducky has not posted at all today and left early d1?

[FM Animal]

Interesting. Congratulations, you may have saved yourself.

I have a strong jester read on pinky, (no town would be that stupid) so I shall not consider any more posts by her sane. Jack, don't be too cocky now, I think you are more town, but not so sure now. I wonder where our princely troll Therak is. Yosemite, what is your read on gandalf after his claim?

[FM Gandalf]

Something else I'll point out: notice how Pinkie Pie's lists fail to mention two of my mafia candidates (Locutus & Cookie Monster). Either (as I suspect) they're being careful not to implicate each other, or (if Pinkie is innocent), the two of them have done a great job of slipping under the radar without adding anything to either day.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Interesting. Congratulations, you may have saved yourself.

I have a strong jester read on pinky, (no town would be that stupid) so I shall not consider any more posts by her sane. Jack, don't be too cocky now, I think you are more town, but not so sure now. I wonder where our princely troll Therak is. Yosemite, what is your read on gandalf after his claim?

Sorry that i am not that careful with the words i pick. Because i have no fear of "slips" because i can't "slip" scumtells. I don't need to hide my intentions in well sounding structures. Thats what blenders do. "cough" "cough"

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Interesting. Congratulations, you may have saved yourself.

I have a strong jester read on pinky, (no town would be that stupid) so I shall not consider any more posts by her sane. Jack, don't be too cocky now, I think you are more town, but not so sure now. I wonder where our princely troll Therak is. Yosemite, what is your read on gandalf after his claim?
My reading:Gandalf is either a very good pro mafia player,or just a townie trying to save himself.

Never forget what i posted above,fucking execute jack sparrow and kill the witch Sherlock. (vigilante)

[FM Lone Ranger]

yo yo yo

hows it be in dis hizzy, bitches?

im in a band. we call ourselves the lone rangers. its awesome.

nothing happened to me last night. though 27 pages late to the party.

[FM Animal]

Sorry that i am not that careful with the words i pick. Because i have no fear of "slips" because i can't "slip" scumtells. I don't need to hide my intentions in well sounding structures. Thats what blenders do. "cough" "cough"

It is not the diction as much as the intent. People who succeed are happy. Scum are happy when town die. People who are happy and succeed are often cocky.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

We start off by eliminating the obvious evil scums,so we have a lower list of ppl to choose from (Cookie,wolvverine,batman,etc)

[FM Lone Ranger]

Anyone feel like filling me in? It's gonna take me a while to read up and I'd like to be able to participate in some capacity.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

If we don't take action,mysteries will stay,people will die by mafia and eventually 2 sheriff's can't handle all those scum claims,after we seem that (possible) framer targetted gandalf,which is still 40/60% true.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

My reading:Gandalf is either a very good pro mafia player,or just a townie trying to save himself.

Never forget what i posted above,fucking execute jack sparrow and kill the witch Sherlock. (vigilante)

Nobody asked for your read on anybody i am afraid.

[FM Animal]

My reading:Gandalf is either a very good pro mafia player,or just a townie trying to save himself.

Never forget what i posted above,fucking execute jack sparrow and kill the witch Sherlock. (vigilante)

Thank you for your contributions. I am not as confident in your read on Sherlock, but as of now I have no candidates better suited to the role.

[FM Lone Ranger]

Also, why did day start so early?

[FM Animal]

Nobody asked for your read on anybody i am afraid.

I find it offensive that you consider me nobody. I am, in fact, and Animal.

[FM Animal]

I find it offensive that you consider me nobody. I am, in fact, and Animal.

*an

[FM Yosemite Sam]

After thinking of it,this is the better thing to do:Even if vigilante kills the witch,she can still mind control,killing 1 of our doctors,resulting 1 of the two Doctors DEAD!!!!

TO COUNTER THIS: JAILOR JAIL THE WITCH (SHERLOCK),and vigilante should kill JACK NOOBAR.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

It is not the diction as much as the intent. People who succeed are happy. Scum are happy when town die. People who are happy and succeed are often cocky.

And in the end its just a matter how your life formed you. If you were always a cocky guy because your parents tought you that this works you still will be cocky even if you don't succeed.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

After thinking of it,this is the better thing to do:Even if vigilante kills the witch,she can still mind control,killing 1 of our doctors,resulting 1 of the two Doctors DEAD!!!!

TO COUNTER THIS: JAILOR JAIL THE WITCH (SHERLOCK),and vigilante should kill JACK NOOBAR.

I don't mind to get shot. I just mind that guys like you will still be around. ;)

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Jack,please don't sound dramatic. We won't let gandalf (Possible doc) to die.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Jack,please don't sound dramatic. We won't let gandalf (Possible doc) to die.
I meant the other sheriff*

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Jack,please don't sound dramatic. We won't let gandalf (Possible doc) to die.

Lol. You are just a tool. A sheep who had more luck than anything N1. Your day performance is pretty lack luster. I don't think a lot of people consider your opinions as noteworthy and i am glad about it. :D

[FM Yosemite Sam]

My list o' scum reads reads as follows, from strong to faint:

Master Chef - Seems like mafia who is excessively eager to lynch Gandalf. Maybe a successful frame? Lied about feedback and makes anti-town suggestions.

Frankenstein - He lurketh. In this post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/15667-Day-1-First-Blood?p=253129&viewfull=1#post253129)he seemed entirely certain of Watson and somewhat annoyed by a day 1 sheriff find, and then he fail voted.

Cluseau - He useth strange, twisted logic that doth not account for evil trying to blend in, which they often do. He seems to wish the day to be over as soon as possible a second time.

Sherlock - Also pusheth the Gandalf lynch fairly hard, but it doth seem like a defense of himself to do so. He doth not argue very strongly if thou asketh me, but Watson reached out to him during the day so I doth not believe both to be mafia, for twould be too obvious. Could definitely be a neutral however. That warning about the witch couldst have been made from the perspective of the witch himself to aid the mafia in their target choice, rather than the other way around.

Pinkie Pie - Claimeth the most probable sheriff Yosemite was guilty, which is not a legitimate sheriff result. If this be a random guess from a citizen trying to catch a bullet and Yosemite turned out not to be mafia, the attempt be wasted and harmful. This much should have been obvious to Pinkie Pie hirself. This wouldst also make hir a likely target for the sheriff to check the next night though, so twould be unwise for scum to attempt this unless they be godfather. Still, mild suspicions remain.

Those who lurketh and trolleth (Mr T, Thrakhath, Batman, Lone Ranger, Tut, Kermit, Dracula, Wile E, Count, Bunny, Hamburglar, Bridge Keeper) - Some of these are vile beings for certain. The problem is that figuring out which of them are is difficult to accomplish by analyzing the conversation alone. This be why citizens shouldst not troll and lurk, especially in a game like this, where power and investigation are limited resources. The evils shalt NOT kill these men for obvious reasons, so they shalt be left disrupting our efforts until the end unless we do something about them. I recommend one sheriff (preferrably sheriff number 2) to consider checking these people, for it's difficult for the mafia to pick an accurate frame target if you do and it could help us immensely in the long run, when few are left and the town players that remain need to know where the lurkers stand. There seem to be some more replacements to make sure lurkers are not removed from the game after a modkill, so I'd not worry about that too much.


After all these considerations I shalt place mine vote Frankenstein on for the time being. If he doth not get lynched, I think he shouldst get shot. There be a good chance that he is evil, and if he is not then he must be one of the least valuable citizens.

FM Frankenstein

Bringing this important intel on the table.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

I still think we should lynch Gandalf instead of killing him at night, the other town PR's can adjust their actions accordingly based on what Gandalf flips. If we kill him by night we can't have that info till day
Another info,eager to kill Gandalf.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Master Chief won't last long if he is not certain town roles. Or he might be citizen faking certain town roles, not minding early death.

Franky is a lurker.

Clue is extremely protown. I won't discuss his strategy.

Witch pushing for mafia death. Yea right.

I don't even know that you are sheriff. Arthur said that you are a probable sheriff when you posted nothing. Perhaps he knew something I don't.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Another info,eager to kill Gandalf.

I'm eager to lynch you if you are not confirmed sheriff. Just saying.

[FM Sherlock]

I'm back.

So Gandalf is really the doctor? I'm not buying this yet. But I agree that someone must be jailed tonight. Just not Gandalf, because if he is doctor, he would be roleblocked and unable to heal anyone. Besides, what is the point of jailing Gandalf now if he already claimed a role to us?

[FM Wolverine]

We start off by eliminating the obvious evil scums,so we have a lower list of ppl to choose from (Cookie,wolvverine,batman,etc)

Obvious scum, you say? Do tell.

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[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Gandalf is not a doctor -.- I'm willing to bet my gun on it. He picked it because it's the only town PR which has no other claims and multiples of the same role, and he was pretty obviously not citizen early on in this train.

I don't care when Gandalf dies so long as he does, as I am convinced he is scum (not to mentioned he named at least two probable scum whilst talking about people we should trust, possibly banking on town believing his doc claim and therefore trusting his cohorts more? [/speculation])

Other obvious scum:
Jack Sparrow

Less obvious but still suspicious:
King Arthur, mostly because he seems to be using RP speaking to make his statements vaguer than necessary to those not paying full attention.

I still haven't roleclaimed, nice try


Gandalf could be consig trying to make a blatant hint to the other mafia that his target last night was doctor, unlikely but not out of the realm of possibility

Sam disturbs me because he acts almost as if he believes Gandalf's claim despite its unlikelihood

Gandalf fails to note that Lone Ranger didn't post yesterday, but remembers that SpongeBob didn't? What is this? I guess its possible that ranger is a teammate and he's trying to keep him on the DL until he gets a chance to act after being modkilled. However I did specifically note both of them being modkilled and he supposedly took notes on the entire day thus far.

That previous point mildly contradicts my speculation on which player was modkilled when. I believe Ranger was modkilled an hour or so before day end yesterday, and sponge bob was modkilled last night primarily because sponge bob knew the day had begun early and from ranger's lack of an appearance I assume he didn't. This only really matters as a possible explanation for missing night actions (scum or town, not going to speculate on which roles at this time)

Yayap infracted me for that sink :'(

[FM Gandalf]

Gandalf fails to note that Lone Ranger didn't post yesterday, but remembers that SpongeBob didn't?

Read more closely please? I was listing people who voted for me today & didn't vote at all yesterday.

[FM Gandalf]

Arthur is 99% confirmed town to me, unless he's a much subtler player than I imagined. Remember this when I flip town.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Read more closely please? I was listing people who voted for me today & didn't vote at all yesterday.

There's a reason that section is in spoilers and not to be taken seriously, mostly because I'm exhausted and just vomiting ideas.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Hmm... since consort is dead I can't think of any mischief he can create by staying alive for an additional night. Unless he is framer.

So we need to wait until 1 doctor is dead then the remaining doctor reveal to lynch him?

If you are so convinced that I'm mafia do you dare to get lynched today so that if I'm wrong I'm shot tonight?

[FM Sherlock]

Also, if you think that I am the witch, then you are clearly wrong. Fortunately, we are not going to lynch anyone, so there is still a chance for me to remeed myself.

Although I can't prove myself compeltely as town today, there is a way for me to prove to you that I am not SK or Witch - Jail me tonight. If killings and witching still occur this night then you can get your proof out there. Even if witch chose NOT to mind-control anyone (in order to frame me), this will free up Yosemite Sam who can check another person without fear of being witched.

[FM Gandalf]

Although I can't prove myself compeltely as town today, there is a way for me to prove to you that I am not SK or Witch - Jail me tonight. If killings and witching still occur this night then you can get your proof out there. Even if witch chose NOT to mind-control anyone (in order to frame me), this will free up Yosemite Sam who can check another person without fear of being witched.

As far as I can tell, this is legitimately a good plan. I don't like trying to tell power roles what to do with their night actions, but I think the jailor could do far worse than this.

The major problem is that we've had pretty bad luck with people coming forward to report night feedback. So the witch may in fact be active tonight & we wouldn't find out about it, leaving us unable to clear you.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

The real doctors should heal the sheriffs. Especially Indiana Jones. Stay away from the fake doctor in case Saruman wants to tie down doctors and kill sheriffs.

[FM Gandalf]

The real doctors should heal the sheriffs. Especially Indiana Jones. Stay away from the fake doctor in case Saruman wants to tie down doctors and kill sheriffs.

I agree that I'm not worth healing (mostly because the mafia won't hit someone under so much suspicion). I'm also not going to be healing either sheriff tonight, because I think that we have other town members who need more protection.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

The major problem is that we've had pretty bad luck with people coming forward to report night feedback. So the witch may in fact be active tonight & we wouldn't find out about it, leaving us unable to clear you.

Readying accusations for tomorrow already? Who else will the witch witch if not sheriffs? No sheriff will die tonight. No scapegoats for you tomorrow.

[FM Agahnim]

He is actually right however with our two revealed sheriffs and only one witch a doctor must heal a sheriff or we lose a confirmed town and a town PR at the same time.

[FM Anubis]

Sorry for not responding Michigan J Frog. I’ll stay around this time. You asked why I think Inspector Cluseau is scummy. More gut feeling. He’s sorta trolling, sometimes giving decent responses and his hammer at the end, even though he was active (if my memory and notes serve me right) but I have no idea who’s on his team. Right now I have the mentality of town vs all evil so if you’re not on the town side, you’re evil and therefore all on the same team,

To King Arthur: its my sole reason, because I want to bring attention to that detail, it’s not necessarily a serious lynch, just questioning if robin hood really did shoot, because the inspector didn’t say he wasn’t shot. I think Gandalf could be a framer target, and we aren’t going to get enough votes on him, and Sherlock is JUST gut based. I’d also shoot him if I was vigilante, but I’M NOT BECAUSE I’M THE DOCTOR.

And Jack Sparrow seems less and less scummy to me as he posts. He should work on his defense when someone accuses him randomly. Could get into trouble =P

Cesar responded to my defense. Okay if anything like that happens, I’m giving up any claims to that defense. Just didn’t like the randomness of it.

now i'll post my thoughts on exactly what's going on RIGHT now.

[FM Anubis]

why is lynching more important than jailing? he's going to give the same defense in jail? sounds like the same kill, and if the jailor dies, we again, have no confirmation.

so assuming gandalf and I are telling the truth, we're both docs and we'll both heal. I'll heal yosemite, he should heal indiana.

[FM Anubis]

and sorry for the multiple posts, but the vigi should shoot someone that is posting almost nothing or nothing at all, as someone said before, this is how town's lose. we lynch opposing view points and not the lurkers. then scum outnumber town and GG.

gandalf's notes seemed at first very pro town, but i guess they could be flipped around. but i myself couldn't fake that.

[FM Sherlock]

Now that was uncalled for. Why did you claim yourself as the second doctor? What is the point of you doing this?

Ya know, if both doctors die, the sheriffs will follow up soon... Unless you are actually the citizen trying to get attention.

[FM Anubis]

Sherlock, i've claimed doc at the endish of day 1...

[Inspector Cluseau]

I, also, would like to claim Doctor.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Also, now that I have outed myself-
Disguiser / Blackmailer / Ventriloquist code for tomorrow

"If you are going down a hill, and your jetski loses a tire, how many pancakes does it take to cover a dog house?"
My last will has the answer and my student will know it as well.

[FM Anubis]

inspector cluseau's just screwing with us now.

why is using the jailor's ability so important, unless he knows who a killer is?

[Inspector Cluseau]

inspector cluseau's just screwing with us now.

why is using the jailor's ability so important, unless he knows who a killer is?

But, you see, I am the 2nd Doctor.
FM Anubis

[Inspector Cluseau]

inspector cluseau's just screwing with us now.
I am Serial Killer
why is using the jailor's ability so important, unless he knows who a killer is?

I didn't notice before. But look, invisible ink. ^^

[FM Sherlock]

Wait, if you are the second doctor, shouldn't Gandalf be the mafia instead of Anubis?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Wait, if you are the second doctor, shouldn't Gandalf be the mafia instead of Anubis?

No shit.......................... Sherlock.

[FM Sherlock]

Gandalf what you will say about that? Cluseau and Anubis both claimed thenselves as doctors. Of course Cluseau likes to fool around but doesn't that makes either of you mafia?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Gandalf what you will say about that? Cluseau and Anubis both claimed thenselves as doctors. Of course Cluseau likes to fool around but doesn't that makes either of you mafia?
to find my real role?
Are you even trying

[Inspector Cluseau]

_JAIL

[FM Anubis]

honestly i think cluseau is just trolling to get hit, which is a good cit move, i'm a wifom between my sheriff and between gandalf.

so. ignore us 3 for now, and go for LURKERS.

[Inspector Cluseau]

honestly i think cluseau is just trolling to get hit, which is a good cit move, i'm a wifom between my sheriff and between gandalf.

so. ignore us 3 for now, and go for LURKERS.
To be hit, or to not get others hit. The layers of WIFOM are staggering.
Look at this scum.

[Inspector Cluseau]

honestly i think cluseau is just trolling to get hit, which is a good cit move, i'm a wifom between my sheriff and between gandalf.

so. ignore us 3 for now, and go for LURKERS.

But actually, this guy is just not even Town. Bus Driver, please swap him with me.

[Inspector Cluseau]

honestly i think cluseau is just trolling to get hit, which is a good cit move, i'm a wifom between my sheriff and between gandalf.

so. ignore us 3 for now, and go for LURKERS.

Do you even Town?

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

honestly i think cluseau is just trolling to get hit, which is a good cit move, i'm a wifom between my sheriff and between gandalf.

so. ignore us 3 for now, and go for LURKERS.

Let me say this again. Gandalf. Is. Not. Doctor.

That's all I've got, Don't hurt yourselves until I'm back.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Let me say this again. Gandalf. Is. Not. Doctor.

That's all I've got, Don't hurt yourselves until I'm back.

In the famous words of our late Terminator
Col Jack 'Will return.'

[FM Anubis]

Let me say this again. Gandalf. Is. Not. Doctor.

That's all I've got, Don't hurt yourselves until I'm back.

if you can explain why gandalf is not doctor, he is as good as lynched.

[Inspector Cluseau]

if you can explain why gandalf is not doctor, he is as good as lynched.

No. No no. He isn't going to be lynched, I occupy all Town PR slots, and you don't even Doctor. Serious, lynch on Anoobis

[FM Gandalf]

Gandalf what you will say about that?

Cluseau is just trolling like the vigbait he is. Anubis is clearly a cit trying to wifom his way into taking a hit for the team. I'm the only legit doctor who has claimed; the other should try to stay anonymous.

[FM Anubis]

thanks for the WIFOM protection gandalf.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Cluseau is just trolling like the vigbait he is. Anubis is clearly a cit trying to wifom his way into taking a hit for the team. I'm the only legit doctor who has claimed; the other should try to stay anonymous.

Consig gone try and get Doctor killed by Vig. Someone mad.

[Inspector Cluseau]

thanks for the WIFOM protection gandalf.

No. You are doing WIFOM all wrong. Good god, do you even try?

[Inspector Cluseau]

No. You are doing WIFOM all wrong. Good god, do you even try?

This is how you WIFOM ->
_JAIL 7

Now, no one knows what is up.

[Inspector Cluseau]

This is how you WIFOM ->
_JAIL 7

Now, no one knows what is up.

Nah, his WIFOM was fine. It just mentions WIFOM to try and suggest a defense, when in reality he is Mafia.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Nah, his WIFOM was fine. It just mentions WIFOM to try and suggest a defense, when in reality he is Mafia.

I agree. He is Mafia.

[Inspector Cluseau]

I agree. He is Mafia.

Well put Inspector. Lynch away.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Fools, consig is still alive. WIFOM away you allies then.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Fools, consig is still alive. WIFOM away you allies then.

Serious? Give up. You are scum and will be lynched tomorrow.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Serious? Give up. You are scum and will be lynched tomorrow.

I'll avoid lynches by giving delayed half-hearted myopic reads and then claim town power the last minute.

Then again, I need not. Town will say let jailor jail. You can dance around in front of town as scum and still they don't lynch.

[FM Gandalf]

half-hearted myopic reads

You think you can do better?

And if you're going to begin by calling me scum, you're giving me a head start.

[FM Captain Obvious]

Oh dear, three doctor claims. I'm sure one of them must be a cit trying to draw away the mafia from our PRs.
Cluseau's claim might just be ridiculous enough to be true.

[FM Captain Obvious]

My vote still stays on Gandalf for either a lynch or vigilante kill.

[FM Cookie Monster]

I'm back and I'm not buying this Gandalf claim
Doctor is EXACTLY the role that a scum would claim to buy himself maybe 1 night or so.
He said that he wants to take notes, he spent like more than 5 hours to give us something not really worthwhile and only have like 4 quotes. Looks like a scum trying to find the best way to live.

Also Yosemite mind if I ask you why do you think I'm scum? I'm not really impressed with your contribution to the day chat.....

[FM Batman]

My Dear Gandalf. Your whole Textwall hits me hard as constructed.

Pinkie Pie is clearly derp town

Batman even tried to not get you lynched which implies to me that he is probably scum but not neccessarily mafia. Might be neutral scum.

Master Chef is trolling hard but our Kilrathi guy from yesterday is way more scummy than him. Where is that guy on your list? Where is Mr. T?

Locutus had less posts but they were pro town. I agree those posts are easy constructable to look pro town and i really want to hear more from him because i agree on him looking scummy.

Cookie Monster seems like another derp town to me so far.


Your facts and connections seem a bit too far off of what i had expected. To be honest. But i know its hard to get believable connections up in time. Especially when there aren't any. I give you credit for it.


Anyway. Mc Gyver was right. Sadly.

? i want him dead

I mereley pointed out the hypothetical scenarios of possible scum gambits claiming sheriff. Trading a mafioso for sheriff seems like a good fucking deal to me (in case a third sheriff claim comes in, they know exactly who to witch / kill - JACKPOT. I personally think both sam and indiana are real sheriff claims, just because the probability of pulling off a big d1 or d2 play seems unlikely.

Lastly, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU EVEN TRY TO OPEN GUESS WHO THE VIGI IS? HUH? Are you helping town by finding the vigi or jailor? NO! I already said this and i will say it again, don´t even try to rolefish.

ps: I actually give reasons for my suspicions and point out possible gambit scenarios. And i don´t make additional posts for spam.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Cluseau's claim looks like 99% false to me, for obvious reasons *cough not dying cough*

[FM Batman]

Wow i skipped the last few pages before posting, but seems there was some deep shit going on about doctor claims.

Here´s my take on it:
Gandalf maf, other 2 citizens. That would be a well coordinated play on 2 random citizens part. OR, it´s a hyper gambit, having 2 mafia members out themselves as citizens wifoming docs. This has a 0% chance, since nobody on this forum actually uses level 4 intentionality.

While we´re at it, i also claim witchdoctor.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Wow i skipped the last few pages before posting, but seems there was some deep shit going on about doctor claims.

Here´s my take on it:
Gandalf maf, other 2 citizens. That would be a well coordinated play on 2 random citizens part. OR, it´s a hyper gambit, having 2 mafia members out themselves as citizens wifoming docs. This has a 0% chance, since nobody on this forum actually uses level 4 intentionality.

While we´re at it, i also claim witchdoctor.

Wait there are 3 doc claimers? I missed something brb going to check it
level 4? what are you talking about
Also troll claims won't help , witchdoctor

[FM Cookie Monster]

oh ok nvm found it
I don't believe Anubis at all.. most likely a citizen or mafia WiFOMing

[FM Cookie Monster]

I'm going to sleep now, again: I recommend to lynch Gandalf

[FM Sherlock]

I agree with lynching Gandalf now.

We can't stay in the dark anymore. The benfit of lynching Gandalf is that town PRs can immediately change their course of night actions depending on the role he flips. As far as I can tell, jailing tonight won't help us too much, especially if jailor and vigilante pick up the same target.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

I agree with lynching Gandalf now.

We can't stay in the dark anymore. The benfit of lynching Gandalf is that town PRs can immediately change their course of night actions depending on the role he flips. As far as I can tell, jailing tonight won't help us too much, especially if jailor and vigilante pick up the same target.

Make a role list. Divide players for vig and jailor. Vig for kill no questions asked players. Jailor for last chance role claim.

[FM Batman]

Wait there are 3 doc claimers? I missed something brb going to check it
level 4? what are you talking about
Also troll claims won't help , witchdoctor

it´s the technical term for what is widely known as wifom on the internet. Lies would be level 2, unraveling lies would be level 3 and the common folk doesn´t really think beyond that. Basically it´s the i think (lvl 1), that you think (lvl 2), that you are lying to me (lvl 3).
Teaching you kids about empiric data in a more comprehensive way.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Gandalf, please reply to these questions.

1) How do you rate yourself as a player?
2) How do you rate your Day1 chat?
3) How do you rate your Day2 chat?
4) How do you rate your last will?

[FM Pinkie Pie]

5) Do you think that your eloquence > your logic?

[FM Sherlock]

Pinkie Pie, there are no last wills in this game.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Pinkie Pie, there are no last wills in this game.

His delayed half-hearted myopic post.

I still can't pinpoint his scum strategy. Only knows that his play is erratic.

[FM Sherlock]

Make a role list. Divide players for vig and jailor. Vig for kill no questions asked players. Jailor for last chance role claim.

Well, I have trouble with that, because I've already ended up as one of those people in that list. It would be better for Yosemite Sam to make that list, as he is the most confirmed town out of all of us.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

Well, I have trouble with that, because I've already ended up as one of those people in that list. It would be better for Yosemite Sam to make that list, as he is the most confirmed town out of all of us.

Yosemite said vigshot Jack Sparrow. That alone is fail. I'd rather Jones sort it. I also think you are in the vig shot list. Still want Yosemite?

[FM Sherlock]

Either Yosemite or Jones. I'm asking Yosemite because he is the first confirmed sheriff.

[FM Hungry]

Yosemite said vigshot Jack Sparrow. That alone is fail. I'd rather Jones sort it. I also think you are in the vig shot list. Still want Yosemite?

Yeah, jack sparrow is like scummy in a townish way. I think shooting him would be a misstake.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

By reading back at Day 1, I see 1 person who nor voted against the mafia,and both voted on me: Pinkie Pie.He instead changed his vote to robin hood,wat.

I hope the vigilante rocks your ass.

For me,suspects are to be:Anubis,Master Chef,Sherlock,Gandalf and because of town impact,Jack sparrow. (ordered from most notorious to least.) and of course I consider pinkie dead,so he's not in that list.

[FM Indiana Jones]

What the fuck happened?

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Wolverine is really shady to me,too little posts,none of them really meaningful to the town.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

At least we know that if Gandalf flips mafia,Spongebob might be a mafia too.

[FM Indiana Jones]

Ok, that post and claim by Gandalf are so full of shit its not even funny.

We need to lynch him today, it took him THAT LONG to post THAT????

I put no stock in any of these claims. Its obvious Gandalf is a mafia now. So obvious its not even funny.

That role WIFOM of his is terrible, he had been hinting towards citizen all day, and then doctor??

If we do not get this lynch off, the Vigilante MUST shoot him. I want the Jailor to jail Sherlock.

TO RECAP:

LYNCH GANDALF

If the lynch fails, Vigilante shoot him.
If the lynch goes through, and he flips town, shoot Pinkie Pie
If the lynch goes through, and he flips scum, shoot Jack Sparrow

The Jailor should jail Sherlock.

BREAK

[FM Indiana Jones]

Yosemite said vigshot Jack Sparrow. That alone is fail. I'd rather Jones sort it. I also think you are in the vig shot list. Still want Yosemite?

Lol just saw this :P

Sorry Pinkie, call me a pony hater if you want, I'v just been getting scum vibes from you all game.

[FM Hungry]

Ok, that post and claim by Gandalf are so full of shit its not even funny.

We need to lynch him today, it took him THAT LONG to post THAT????

I put no stock in any of these claims. Its obvious Gandalf is a mafia now. So obvious its not even funny.

That role WIFOM of his is terrible, he had been hinting towards citizen all day, and then doctor??

If we do not get this lynch off, the Vigilante MUST shoot him. I want the Jailor to jail Sherlock.

TO RECAP:

LYNCH GANDALF

If the lynch fails, Vigilante shoot him.
If the lynch goes through, and he flips town, shoot Pinkie Pie
If the lynch goes through, and he flips scum, shoot Jack Sparrow

The Jailor should jail Sherlock.

BREAK

Jailor can't jail if someone gets lynched. The reason we are not lynching today is so the jailor can jail and interrogate someone while the vigi shoots gandalf.

[FM Indiana Jones]

Jailor can't jail if someone gets lynched. The reason we are not lynching today is so the jailor can jail and interrogate someone while the vigi shoots gandalf.

Not to make the jailor useless and all, but it would be very useful to see what Gandalf flips, and then plan the vigil and sheriff actions around that.

The likelihood of us finding a scum tomorrow is low, so the jailor should be able to do his thing soon.

If we don't get the lynch off, then the jailor should jail Sherlock. Does that sound better for you?

[FM Sherlock]

I agree with Indiana Jones on this point.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Ok, that post and claim by Gandalf are so full of shit its not even funny.

We need to lynch him today, it took him THAT LONG to post THAT????

I put no stock in any of these claims. Its obvious Gandalf is a mafia now. So obvious its not even funny.

That role WIFOM of his is terrible, he had been hinting towards citizen all day, and then doctor??

If we do not get this lynch off, the Vigilante MUST shoot him. I want the Jailor to jail Sherlock.

TO RECAP:

LYNCH GANDALF

If the lynch fails, Vigilante shoot him.
If the lynch goes through, and he flips town, shoot Pinkie Pie
If the lynch goes through, and he flips scum, shoot Jack Sparrow

The Jailor should jail Sherlock.

BREAK

I APPROVE!

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Not to make the jailor useless and all, but it would be very useful to see what Gandalf flips, and then plan the vigil and sheriff actions around that.

The likelihood of us finding a scum tomorrow is low, so the jailor should be able to do his thing soon.

If we don't get the lynch off, then the jailor should jail Sherlock. Does that sound better for you?


this too.
FM Gandalf

[FM Yosemite Sam]

It's good intel to see what actually gandalf flips,that way townies/doctors/other PR can decide what their action to be.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

It's good intel to see what actually gandalf flips,that way townies/doctors/other PR can decide a more accurate action night action.

Edit.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

Edit.

Heyo!

This is something I can agree with. A revealed doctor(?) is most likely going to get killed tonight, unless the other doctor decided to heal him which would be a terrible idea; It would leave our Sheriffs without a heal.
I have to say though; I am still extremely wary of both Indiana Jones and Gandalf at this point. I am really not too sure who we should trust; but I am still leaning towards Gandalf.

I know I've said before that I think we should let the Jailor jail, but with Gandalf's reveal, I think the lynch is our best option right now.
And honestly, I still call bullshit on the whole framed thing. It's either Jones that made this all up, or he got an accurate result on Gandalf. It's been said before, but I really doubt scum would pull such bullshit as their numbers are very limited and they cannot afford to sacrifice a member to get someone lynched.

[FM Lone Ranger]

Sooo... Is there real evidence here or is all of this subjective? What was claimed? I seem to have missed that.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Sooo... Is there real evidence here or is all of this subjective? What was claimed? I seem to have missed that.

sheriff claimed a lead on gandalf, gandalf has been scummy as fuck all day since.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Everyone voting someone other than Gandalf at this point... smh

[FM King Arthur]

There be nothing vague about this "roleplaying" ye speak of. At least not to any man with at least half a brain. Tis purely for merriment.

Is that wine in front of me? I shalt propose a toast to the glorious success of Camelot! May our search for the Holy Grail be blessed indeed!

I am wary of the doctor claims. The sheriffs shouldst be guarded, but if Anubis' claim is false he just endangered one. That seemeth fishy. Ye doctors had better be careful about choosing thine targets.

Tis true that those who meet at night frequently scavenge the posts for hidden claims, so the find on Bunny by Gandalf couldst be a bit fishy too. However, I thinketh that a properly played protective role shouldst probably play similarly. It doth make him less likely to be a citizen though, which is what I thought he was. Now I am torn.

Tis understandable that Indiana Jones wanteth to see him lynched soon as it will make him more likely to be guarded. Yet still, I think there be better targets to rid ourselves of. But I shalt not go into that again. If thou canst read, thou knowest of whom I speak.

My preference still goes to jailing someone. Sherlocks proposal was a fair one.

[FM King Arthur]

Sooo... Is there real evidence here or is all of this subjective? What was claimed? I seem to have missed that.

Read the day or you are an easily manipulated liability at best.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

There be nothing vague about this "roleplaying" ye speak of. At least not to any man with at least half a brain. Tis purely for merriment.

Is that wine in front of me? I shalt propose a toast to the glorious success of Camelot! May our search for the Holy Grail be blessed indeed!

I am wary of the doctor claims. The sheriffs shouldst be guarded, but if Anubis' claim is false he just endangered one. That seemeth fishy. Ye doctors had better be careful about choosing thine targets.

Tis true that those who meet at night frequently scavenge the posts for hidden claims, so the find on Bunny by Gandalf couldst be a bit fishy too. However, I thinketh that a properly played protective role shouldst probably play similarly. It doth make him less likely to be a citizen though, which is what I thought he was. Now I am torn.

Tis understandable that Indiana Jones wanteth to see him lynched soon as it will make him more likely to be guarded. Yet still, I think there be better targets to rid ourselves of. But I shalt not go into that again. If thou canst read, thou knowest of whom I speak.

My preference still goes to jailing someone. Sherlocks proposal was a fair one.

I don't think the lynch would happen anyway; We are at L-9 and there's less than half a day left until the end of the day.
I'm torn about this, too. A side of me says we should let the Jailor take care of tonight, but I'm really afraid our jailor is incompetent. I guess I would feel safer with Gandalf lynched, but gah.
And I don't believe Anubis' claim. It's bollocks if you ask me.

[FM Wolverine]

Wolverine is really shady to me,too little posts,none of them really meaningful to the town.

Too little posts? I've posted more than you have. Yesterday I was a bit busy and didn't post as much, but I STILL posted more than you. You only posted once, in what would've been the middle of the day, about finding Watson. Which, by the way, was entirely luck on your part. Today, I've been posting all the time, yet you come in halfway through and accuse me of "not posting enough". It's a terrible metric for evaluating someone's alignment, because by that logic, you'd be scum. Which you're obviously not.

The value in my posts comes from the insights I make. Not all of us are PRs who can stumble into scum on night one.

Currently, I agree with pretty much everything Jones said, the only change I would make is that he didn't mention the claims of Anubis and Cluseau, and since their claims (along with Gandalf's) add up to 3 doctor claims, it might be worth vig taking a shot at one of them if Gandalf flips doc, because one (or both) of their claims could be a ploy by scum to 1) create doubt about Gandalf's claim 2) gain town trust 3) lure real doctors out to CC.

[FM Wolverine]

In keeping with sir Jones' wishes...

FM Gandalf

[FM Wile E Coyote]

he didn't mention the claims of Anubis and Cluseau, and since their claims (along with Gandalf's) add up to 3 doctor claims, it might be worth vig taking a shot at one of them if Gandalf flips doc, because one (or both) of their claims could be a ploy by scum to 1) create doubt about Gandalf's claim 2) gain town trust 3) lure real doctors out to CC.

I wouldn't give too much credit to Cluseau's claim. If you haven't noticed, most of his latest posts are nothing but really terrible trolling.

And Anubis? Claiming doctor before the end of Day 1? I mean, come on. There is no way that was true.

I'll bet than neither of them are doctors, and that our two (Or second, if Gandalf flips Doctor) docs are still hidden with the crowd.

[FM Hamburglar]

finally got some time behind my damn PC

I'll be reading up with the day. sorry for missing it mostly I will be a lot more active D3 I think

[FM Hamburglar]

I think the sheriff claim we got here is legit as maf won't repeat FM V I don't think. (talking about the darth vader of course)

FM Gandalf

[FM Wolverine]

In keeping with sir Jones' wishes...

FM Gandalf

It appears this didn't take (I don't see my name in the vote count), so I'll try again.

unvote
FM Gandalf

[FM Wolverine]

Ok, I still don't see my name in the vote count. I'm using the /vote command. What is going on?

[FM Wile E Coyote]

Ok, I still don't see my name in the vote count. I'm using the /vote command. What is going on?

It may be because you used both vote and unvote in the same post.
Try to just directly vote him without ''unvoting''.

[FM Wolverine]

FM Gandalf

[FM Wolverine]

Huzzah! Thanks, Wile E. I wonder why it didn't work the first time...

[FM Hamburglar]

seems to be working now!

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Too little posts? I've posted more than you have. Yesterday I was a bit busy and didn't post as much, but I STILL posted more than you. You only posted once, in what would've been the middle of the day, about finding Watson. Which, by the way, was entirely luck on your part. Today, I've been posting all the time, yet you come in halfway through and accuse me of "not posting enough". It's a terrible metric for evaluating someone's alignment, because by that logic, you'd be scum. Which you're obviously not.

The value in my posts comes from the insights I make. Not all of us are PRs who can stumble into scum on night one.

Currently, I agree with pretty much everything Jones said, the only change I would make is that he didn't mention the claims of Anubis and Cluseau, and since their claims (along with Gandalf's) add up to 3 doctor claims, it might be worth vig taking a shot at one of them if Gandalf flips doc, because one (or both) of their claims could be a ploy by scum to 1) create doubt about Gandalf's claim 2) gain town trust 3) lure real doctors out to CC.

Please,don't compare my posts with yours. I can be a lurker,because I'm a trusted town,that doesn't go the same for you. If you are citizen that's fine,but at least be more persistent like all other citizens around here.more than half the setup is with citizens.By your logic all people who usually chat here are town roles/Mafia/evils. My view towards you has still not changed.

[FM Yosemite Sam]

Please,don't compare my posts with yours. I can be a lurker,because I'm a trusted town,that doesn't go the same for you. If you are citizen that's fine,but at least be more persistent like all other citizens around here.more than half the setup is with citizens.By your logic all people who usually chat here are Power Roles/Mafia/evils. My view towards you has still not changed.
EDIT.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

My point wasn't really about us lynching Gandalf, so much as there still being people who think someone else is a better lynch target than him if we lynch at all.


FM Inspector Cluseau
FM King Arthur
FM Jack Sparrow

These three are active and don't have much excuse.

FM Yoda
FM Prince Thrakhath

I haven't seen in a while.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

In case anyone wanted an update on my impending modkill radar,

FM Rubber Ducky
FM Robin Hood
FM Gimli

[FM Lone Ranger]

Read the day or you are an easily manipulated liability at best.

lol. I scoff at you, sir.

[FM Wolverine]

Please,don't compare my posts with yours. I can be a lurker,because I'm a trusted town,that doesn't go the same for you.

You really plan on riding your luck for the entire game, don't you?


If you are citizen that's fine,but at least be more persistent like all other citizens around here.more than half the setup is with citizens.By your logic all people who usually chat here are town roles/Mafia/evils.

By MY logic? No. That was YOUR "not enough posts" logic.


My view towards you has still not changed.

Fine. View me how you like. I can't seem to convince you otherwise. I'm sure you'll see sooner or later.

[FM King Arthur]

Too little posts? I've posted more than you have. Yesterday I was a bit busy and didn't post as much, but I STILL posted more than you. You only posted once, in what would've been the middle of the day, about finding Watson. Which, by the way, was entirely luck on your part. Today, I've been posting all the time, yet you come in halfway through and accuse me of "not posting enough". It's a terrible metric for evaluating someone's alignment, because by that logic, you'd be scum. Which you're obviously not.

The value in my posts comes from the insights I make. Not all of us are PRs who can stumble into scum on night one.

Currently, I agree with pretty much everything Jones said, the only change I would make is that he didn't mention the claims of Anubis and Cluseau, and since their claims (along with Gandalf's) add up to 3 doctor claims, it might be worth vig taking a shot at one of them if Gandalf flips doc, because one (or both) of their claims could be a ploy by scum to 1) create doubt about Gandalf's claim 2) gain town trust 3) lure real doctors out to CC.

And 4) directeth both doctors to the same sheriff so the other may be free to kill

[Inspector Cluseau]

My point wasn't really about us lynching Gandalf, so much as there still being people who think someone else is a better lynch target than him if we lynch at all.


FM Inspector Cluseau
FM King Arthur
FM Jack Sparrow

These three are active and don't have much excuse.

FM Yoda
FM Prince Thrakhath

I haven't seen in a while.

Cluseau is mostly just mad at Anubis, but you don't think that Gandalf is Doctor either, so Anubis has a shot, I guess.
Gandalf

[Inspector Cluseau]

I suck
FM Gandalf

[FM Wile E Coyote]

Cluseau is mostly just mad at Anubis, but you don't think that Gandalf is Doctor either, so Anubis has a shot, I guess.
Gandalf

Anyone that believes Anubis is doctor is a fool. He claimed Doctor on D1 saying he would heal Yosemite. Are you guys really that gullible? Would anyone with half a brain say that? ...Or maybe there's something I'm not seeing there. Please elaborate.


Please,don't compare my posts with yours. I can be a lurker,because I'm a trusted town

Don't push it boy. Because you got a lucky check on the first day doesn't mean you can lurk all game. A Sheriff is one of town's most valuable assets right now, and we will definitely need your help.

[FM King Arthur]

Please,don't compare my posts with yours. I can be a lurker,because I'm a trusted town,that doesn't go the same for you. If you are citizen that's fine,but at least be more persistent like all other citizens around here.more than half the setup is with citizens.By your logic all people who usually chat here are town roles/Mafia/evils. My view towards you has still not changed.

Thou being a trusted and publically announced town couldst also be a reason not to lurk and take thine responsibility to lead the discussion during the day. Thou hath nothing left to hide anyway.


lol. I scoff at you, sir.
And I scoff at slackers such as thyself. For if thou keepeth it up, thou shalt be the death of my dream: A Camelot free of corruption.


These three are active and don't have much excuse.
An excuse I do not need, for excuses are for tricksters and I am not one. I have reasons for not voting Gandalf and I have written them for all to see. That thou art blind to them is no fault of mine. Mine vote remains where it is to carry a message. Not because I think Frankenstein has any chance of being lynched this day, but because he is either scum or dead weight, neither of which is desirable to keep around.

[FM Gandalf]

If I have to die, the best way would be through suicide. I don't think you're going to trust me to do that, so the next best way would be by vigi shot. Failing that, it would be lynch. The jailor definitely shouldn't waste his time on jailing me, though.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

My point wasn't really about us lynching Gandalf, so much as there still being people who think someone else is a better lynch target than him if we lynch at all.


FM Inspector Cluseau
FM King Arthur
FM Jack Sparrow

These three are active and don't have much excuse.

FM Yoda
FM Prince Thrakhath

I haven't seen in a while.

I wonder if you would vote somebody which gets you probably night shot by the vigilante tonight after he flips scum. This means i can only lose through the lynch of Gandalf. If he flips Doctor people will call me the sk if he flips mafia i get shot? Are you retarded?

Also i find you midly scummy. hiding in the backfield accusing people. You call me scum you never gave much insight on it why? Excuse me its hard to see anyone as town who just does this with nothing to back it up.

I am not lurking the whole game and point fingers on others. I am playing active in this like the setup was supposed to be played. Unlike you who just sits in the back like FM Lucutus which just try to be active enough to not appear as lurkers.

Only scum gains something if active people get shot. Because no one will call others out anymore and they can just be active then and get one misslynch after another.

Cool story bro.

[FM Lone Ranger]

I wonder if you would vote somebody which gets you probably night shot by the vigilante tonight after he flips scum. This means i can only lose through the lynch of Gandalf. If he flips Doctor people will call me the sk if he flips mafia i get shot? Are you retarded?

Also i find you midly scummy. hiding in the backfield accusing people. You call me scum you never gave much insight on it why? Excuse me its hard to see anyone as town who just does this with nothing to back it up.

I am not lurking the whole game and point fingers on others. I am playing active in this like the setup was supposed to be played. Unlike you who just sits in the back like FM Lucutus which just try to be active enough to not appear as lurkers.

Only scum gains something if active people get shot. Because no one will call others out anymore and they can just be active then and get one misslynch after another.

Cool story bro.

Unless you're being active simply to blend in with the citizens. You seem awfully defensive.

[FM Gandalf]

I'm 60-70% confident in reading O'Neill as town. (Whereas, Jack, for example, I'm 40-50% in my accusation of you being SK.)

[FM Jack Sparrow]

You do realise that people want to see me dead tonight of both factions?

Why shooting me? Why not people like you? You are a non contributor. No one can guess your alignment. No one will night kill you. You are probably more useful on the Graveyard like those names:


04- FM Batman - low posts, only posts derpy logic. He might be high on a daily basis.
05- FM Bridge Keeper - who is that? Don't see anything from him. All i can remember is his avatar. I think he voted someone on Day 1
10- FM Count von Count - Claims cit on day 2 has low post count. Useless
12- FM Frankenstein - classical lurking scum behaviour
14- FM Gimli - Not playing the game. Not giving us a chance to read his alignment. good shot.
15- FM Hamburglar - No time on day 1 no time on day 2 and when we are lucky he has no time on day 3. Don't play FM if you have no time = scum excuse for lurking

20- FM Kermit - has no swag

28- FM Mr T - hits me hard as lurking scum. doesn't contribute anything of worth. Lurking scum?
30- FM Prince Thrakhath - trolls hardcore on day 1. not one post of worth.
31- FM Robin Hood - Claims vigilante day 1 no one got shot. He is probably self destroyed citizen. no contribution on Day 2. Useless
32- FM Rubber Ducky - Stealth claims his COM Day 1 and was never seen again.
35- FM The Joker - Probably the modkilled from Day 1. His replacement isn't much more active. Disposable


I won't miss aynone of those. Because they hit me as not beneficial to the game. I am sorry.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

I'm 60-70% confident in reading O'Neill as town. (Whereas, Jack, for example, I'm 40-50% in my accusation of you being SK.)

If i would have rolled scum i would lurk and not do the FM clown. You know the most plausible answers are always pretty short right? It's as easy as that. :)

[FM Gandalf]

As for the real lurkers, it's really hard to know if they're bored citizens, town PR's, or hiding scum. They should die one way or another, but I'm not going to venture guesses about their alignment based on minimal evidence.


However, my experience in FM's on this site is that 1-2 scum lurk while the rest contribute actively.

[FM Rubber Ducky]

Some things have come up in life which is why i haven't been here, I should be done with it and will be a lot more active, Let me read up on the 14 pages so far. Since i wasn't here I'm willing to answer questions etc about my thoughts, but give me a bit to read the 700 post that are there now.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

However, my experience in FM's on this site is that 1-2 scum lurk while the rest contribute actively.

Look at the night kills so far. A troll is leading the mafia. I am sure of it. Also your possible connection to the Bugs bunny kill is funny. Because Bugs Bunny almost always asked whats up doc? My mind was almost blown when you come up with this possible connection to the night kill. I wonder how many players are in this who even know who Bugs Bunny is. Because only somebody who doesn't know the show could have thought that this was a stealth doc claim.

The chances were so maginally low that he really is a doctor that only a dimwit would go for this and i have a lot of suspects which might fit that position.

Maybe it was even you who suggested this in the night chat. It seems the mafia team is clueless about picking good night kill targets. So they prolly fail at reading the day chat or the town power roles are so well hidden. "cough" "cough"

[FM Gandalf]

Because only somebody who doesn't know the show could have thought that this was a stealth doc claim.


??????

It has happened many, many times in forum mafias on this site that players have made RP-related posts (such as quoting an iconic line from their character) that hint at their role.

It also has been extremely common that the mafia makes their first few kills on relatively lurky players, hoping to avoid protective roles & to maybe hit a lurking PR. This has been, in my experience, far & away the norm. So, in selecting from among those options, a smart mafia is likely to look for any small bit of detail that might be relevant to them.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

I wonder if you would vote somebody which gets you probably night shot by the vigilante tonight after he flips scum. This means i can only lose through the lynch of Gandalf. If he flips Doctor people will call me the sk if he flips mafia i get shot? Are you retarded?

Also i find you midly scummy. hiding in the backfield accusing people. You call me scum you never gave much insight on it why? Excuse me its hard to see anyone as town who just does this with nothing to back it up.

I am not lurking the whole game and point fingers on others. I am playing active in this like the setup was supposed to be played. Unlike you who just sits in the back like FM Lucutus which just try to be active enough to not appear as lurkers.

Only scum gains something if active people get shot. Because no one will call others out anymore and they can just be active then and get one misslynch after another.

Cool story bro.
Spoilered for courtesy, I am the 6th most active person today and my posts have consisted of analysis unlike the #1 poster's trolling. Your unsubstantiated and frankly overreactive attack intrigues me considering I just said you were suspicious.


Posts 82
FM Inspector Cluseau

Posts 62
FM Gandalf

Posts 59
FM Jack Sparrow

Posts 57
FM Cookie Monster

Posts 40
FM Pinkie Pie

Posts 39
FM Col Jack ONeill

Posts 31
FM Master Chef

Posts 25
FM Sherlock

Posts 24
FM Agahnim

Posts 23
FM Hungry

Posts 22
FM Yosemite Sam

Posts 20
FM Indiana Jones

Posts 20
FM Michigan J Frog

Posts 19
FM King Arthur

Posts 19
FM Wile E Coyote

Posts 17
FM Wolverine

Posts 14
FM Animal

Posts 13
FM Locutus

Posts 10
FM King Tut

Posts 10
FM Anubis

Posts 9
FM SpongeBob

Posts 8
FM Game Master

Posts 8
FM Batman

Posts 7
FM Captain Obvious

Posts 6
FM Lone Ranger

Posts 6
FM Ceasar

Posts 6
FM Prince Thrakhath

Posts 6
FM Kermit

Posts 3
FM Hamburglar

Posts 3
FM Count von Count

Posts 2
FM Yoda

Posts 2
FM Frankenstein

Posts 2
FM Dracula

Posts 2
FM The Joker

Posts 1
FM Rubber Ducky

Posts 1
FM Bridge Keeper

Posts 1
FM Mr T

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Your response makes me believe it was your idea to begin with....

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

The weird format is because I directly copied it out of the forums own post counting function.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Your response makes me believe it was your idea to begin with....

smh you reek of scum my friend.

[FM Gandalf]

Your response makes me believe it was your idea to begin with....

Good for you. Have fun being wrong. I'm not even the first person to suggest it in day chat: look at Yoda's post Day 2, reply 8. He's been cleared by Indiana Jones, unless you don't believe he's sheriff.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Spoilered for courtesy, I am the 6th most active person today and my posts have consisted of analysis unlike the #1 poster's trolling. Your unsubstantiated and frankly overreactive attack intrigues me considering I just said you were suspicious.



I am not suspicious at all. and being the one eyed under the blind wont make you super active in my eyes. It's not hard to simulate town reads in this game. It's just the usual phenomen one guy says you are scummy and the sheep don't think for themselves and start to go with it because they actually not care. Otherwise people would be way more active.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

.

Oh hey, that's pretty nice.
Could you please tell me where'd you get that?

[FM Jack Sparrow]

The weird format is because I directly copied it out of the forums own post counting function.

We will see who the real scum is here around sooner or later and i am clearly not your friend. :)

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Oh hey, that's pretty nice.
Could you please tell me where'd you get that?

Mod abuse.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

Mod abuse.

Well, that sucks.
Sorry for not participating too much in the current decision; I don't have much to add to it. I'll just let you three bicker and stuff.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Well i am done as well. This whole thing leads to nothing and its not worth my time. Cya in the epilogue :)

[FM Anubis]

still no robin hood outing on his vigi shot. i will also follow Indiana Jones' claim and vote Gandalf, BECAUSE:

I HAVE NO IDEA WHY LYNCHING IS BETTER THAN JAILING

so if anyone can explain that to me....

[FM Anubis]

Gandalf

[FM Anubis]

FM Gandalf

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Mod abuse.

Go to the forum that shows all the threads, click on the number of replies. VOILA!

[FM Anubis]

is it not working??

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

and if you click the number of posts by a person, it lists all of their posts!

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

http://i.imgur.com/hQpfq.png

If it doesn't work for you idk what to tell you.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

FM Gandalf

I'm willing to go along with this lynch now. He probably flips scum anyway and now the vigilante can just shoot whoever he wants without having to worry about coordinating with the jailor. Plus, I guess it helps the sheriffs pick new targets and if that's what they say they want, I'm happy to help give that to them.

Also, let me just say once more: I can read FM Jack Sparrow like an open book. He's town. Never lynch him. He is only this active and excitable when he's citizen. This is his textbook citizen play.

[FM Gandalf]

I HAVE NO IDEA WHY LYNCHING IS BETTER THAN JAILING


I assume that you mean why jailing is better than lynching?

It is, because jailing allows the jailor to talk 1-on-1 with his suspect, and gather information that way. Either it forces a scum to come up with lies that the jailor can catch him on later, or it allows a town member to establish secret communication with the jailor & share information between each other. The night chat function is infinitely more useful than the execute function. (Then there's also the ability to roleblock/protect the jailor's captive.)

If we lynch every day, then the jailor is just one extra citizen, not a power role like he's supposed to be.

To be clear: no one is proposing that I am the one who gets jailed. I've publicly said everything there is to say, and it's not like I could convince a jailor at night who doesn't believe me during the day. So if I'm not going to be lynched, the logic is, I should be shot by the vigilante and the jailor should target someone else. (Of course, I think it's best if I don't die at all...)

[FM Michigan J Frog]

I assume that you mean why jailing is better than lynching?

It is, because jailing allows the jailor to talk 1-on-1 with his suspect, and gather information that way. Either it forces a scum to come up with lies that the jailor can catch him on later, or it allows a town member to establish secret communication with the jailor & share information between each other. The night chat function is infinitely more useful than the execute function. (Then there's also the ability to roleblock/protect the jailor's captive.)

If we lynch every day, then the jailor is just one extra citizen, not a power role like he's supposed to be.

To be clear: no one is proposing that I am the one who gets jailed. I've publicly said everything there is to say, and it's not like I could convince a jailor at night who doesn't believe me during the day. So if I'm not going to be lynched, the logic is, I should be shot by the vigilante and the jailor should target someone else. (Of course, I think it's best if I don't die at all...)

But the most convincing argument for your death today is that the sheriffs want information about your flip to pick their next nights targets. And seeing as this has quickly turned into a game of follow the PR, shouldn't we give that to them?

[FM Gandalf]

No, because worst case scenario one of them will be healed & witched and the other will be killed.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

FM Gandalf

I'm willing to go along with this lynch now. He probably flips scum anyway and now the vigilante can just shoot whoever he wants without having to worry about coordinating with the jailor. Plus, I guess it helps the sheriffs pick new targets and if that's what they say they want, I'm happy to help give that to them.

Also, let me just say once more: I can read FM Jack Sparrow like an open book. He's town. Never lynch him. He is only this active and excitable when he's citizen. This is his textbook citizen play.
I tend to agree, though his freakout when I mentioned him was humorous.

[FM Anubis]

but if gandalf is jailed, then a sheriff is still left to die, if gandalf is really the other doctor... i still see no difference in end-game, unless the jailor will believe Gandalf's claim about being doctor and not execute.

tldr, i still agree with lynching gandalf, based on Frog's most recent post.

[FM Wile E Coyote]

Ack. I'm surprised everyone decided to turn around and go ahead with the lynch.
I'll follow the crowd for this one. Vigilante will, as mentioned above, be able to decide who he shoots.
Let's hope It's someone with pretty good judgement that actually read the day chats.

FM Gandalf

[FM Anubis]

Ack. I'm surprised everyone decided to turn around and go ahead with the lynch.
I'll follow the crowd for this one. Vigilante will, as mentioned above, be able to decide who he shoots.
Let's hope It's someone with pretty good judgement that actually read the day chats.

FM Gandalf

you mean, lets hope vigilante is someone with with pretty good judgement that reads the day chats...

[FM Wile E Coyote]

you mean, lets hope vigilante is someone with with pretty good judgement that reads the day chats...

... Isn't that what I just wrote down?

[FM Locutus]

Day ends in 2 and a half hours.
I said I would prefer to not lynch today to let our precious jailor actually be able to do his job.

Gandalf, I noted you saw me as a scummy target, I can see why. I am not very polarizing. I give out my ideas on plans and offer summations of things can can be inferred without much difficulty.
However, I like to think of myself as helping the town in this way, because there are so many lurkers, people have already said they they can't be hassled to read all of the day chat.
I do have opinions on people, Gandalf. To be brutally honest, I thought you were very scummy on day 1, and cleaned up your act today on day 2. Unfortunately you claimed doctor, no fault of your own if you are, but to everyone else it seems like a claim to buy an additional night or more to give yourself more time. Maybe you're consigliere who found an important role last night. I really hope you are mafia or just a citizen, because we are going to lose you soon. But I honestly believe you're a doctor.

Whether you're town or scum, when you die you'll give us a better view on who we can and can't trust. We'll look back on this day and realize patterns of certain players.

[FM Wolverine]

still no robin hood outing on his vigi shot. i will also follow Indiana Jones' claim and vote Gandalf, BECAUSE:

I HAVE NO IDEA WHY LYNCHING IS BETTER THAN JAILING

so if anyone can explain that to me....

Normally, jailing would be better because it would allow the jailor to have 1-on-1 communication, either getting valuable information from town who can't share it during the day, or getting lies from scum that either give them away for an immediate execution, or allow them to be caught later. Not to mention the role-block.

Lynching is better (in this case) because then we get to see what Gandalf is before night, so the PRs can choose their targets accordingly. Otherwise, we'd have to wait until the next day (or longer if Gandalf isn't killed at night) to have our answers, and the PRs would have to act based on speculation.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

FM Gandalf

So lets turn this game in a sheriff game give them what they need. Let's roleblock the Jailor another night!

FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

TAKE OF EVERY ZIGG!

[FM Wolverine]

... Isn't that what I just wrote down?

Why yes, yes it is.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Lynch number is now 20.

[FM Gandalf]

So lets turn this game in a sheriff game give them what they need.

Word. Town, congrats on lynching somebody who might have been helpful, just because you can't handle ambiguity or thinking for yourself.

I'm not going to pretend my reads on everyone are god's gift to mafia. It's Day 2--I'm doing the best I can for now. I still think that I have a much better sense of what to look for than most of you.

When I flip town, ask yourself why you thought I seemed scummy. If you're just sheepishly following the sheriff, fine. But if you actually thought you had other reasons for thinking I was scum, figure out what they were and fix your logic.

[FM Indiana Jones]

FM Gandalf

So lets turn this game in a sheriff game give them what they need. Let's roleblock the Jailor another night!

FOR GREAT JUSTICE!

TAKE OF EVERY ZIGG!
Don't be a jealous german.

I just saw this as I was reading. lol Unless we find something, the jailor will be able to do his thing tomorrow night (of if the lynch doesn't go through, tonight)

The point of this lynch is to kill a scum suspect, you being against (until the last minute) someone who spend almost 24 hours to post the equivalent of a doctor claim lynched, is beyond me.

[FM Gandalf]

someone who spend almost 24 hours to post the equivalent of a doctor claim

Yes, I spent 24 hours panicking because it's so hard to come up with a doctor claim.

(You'll notice that I've hinted at doctor throughout several of my posts these last two days. If you didn't notice, learn to read carefully.)

[FM Frankenstein]

-Vote Gandalfr

haha puns. Oh well. Notes notes, and such

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Don't be a jealous german.

I just saw this as I was reading. lol Unless we find something, the jailor will be able to do his thing tomorrow night (of if the lynch doesn't go through, tonight)

The point of this lynch is to kill a scum suspect, you being against (until the last minute) someone who spend almost 24 hours to post the equivalent of a doctor claim lynched, is beyond me.

It's called to don't give a fuck anymore. Have fun bads!

[FM Kermit]

Yo, if we lynch the jailor can't jail.
Let's let the vigilante shoot him and the jailor jail.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

-Vote Gandalfr

haha puns. Oh well. Notes notes, and such

you didn't use the code...

[FM Gandalf]

He also didn't spell my name right.

[FM Locutus]

Gandalf, do you think it would help town more to be:

1) Lynched, role revealed. Allowing vigilante and sheriff to take this information and search for better targets
2) Shot tonight, allowing one more use of your night action. Allow the jailor a night action and chat at the expense of consuming the vigilantes action and slightly hindering sheriff investigations.
3) Not be lynched or shot tonight and able to provide insight tomorrow

(This is all hypothetical and won't affect my stance on voting for you)

[FM Gandalf]

Some posts to interrogate:

D2R405
D1R113
D2R282
D2R64
D2R323
D2R317
D2R379

[FM Gandalf]

2) Shot tonight, allowing one more use of your night action.

False. My healing happens after vigi shots.

[FM Locutus]

False. My healing happens after vigi shots.

Huh you're right, I should have looked at the OoO more closely, I automatically assumed it was setup in a +1 healing manner.
Apologies dear Gandalf.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Huh you're right, I should have looked at the OoO more closely, I automatically assumed it was setup in a +1 healing manner.
Apologies dear Gandalf.

Also assuming he isn't lying about his doctor claim.

[FM Indiana Jones]

Yes, I spent 24 hours panicking because it's so hard to come up with a doctor claim.

(You'll notice that I've hinted at doctor throughout several of my posts these last two days. If you didn't notice, learn to read carefully.)

The problem with FM in general is this, everyone can post something, and then later point to it and say 'Look I WIFOMed it!'

I do not take that as evidence that you are town. Sorry.

[FM Indiana Jones]

It's called to don't give a fuck anymore. Have fun bads!

Remind me when this is over to never let you in any of my games.

[FM Locutus]

Also assuming he isn't lying about his doctor claim.

True.
I like how Frankenstein showed up to misvote and then left. Good one there.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

It's called to don't give a fuck anymore. Have fun bads!

You don't give a fuck anymore because town is following a sheriff evidence drop against a scummy-seeming player who's only made himself more suspicious as time passed and pressure mounted. Yep, seems legit. If you really don't care anymore why not ask Yayap to modkill you? There's plenty of people who'd gladly replace you.

[FM Locutus]

D1R113

Hello all. The amount of accusations being thrown around are too damn high to count. A ha ha.
D2R64

We had a sheriff give us a mafia member. Most of the chat was spam. I don't think there was too much else that was going to be added to the day.
D2R282

My list o' scum reads reads as follows, from strong to faint:

Master Chef - Seems like mafia who is excessively eager to lynch Gandalf. Maybe a successful frame? Lied about feedback and makes anti-town suggestions.

Frankenstein - He lurketh. In this post (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/15667-Day-1-First-Blood?p=253129&viewfull=1#post253129)he seemed entirely certain of Watson and somewhat annoyed by a day 1 sheriff find, and then he fail voted.

Cluseau - He useth strange, twisted logic that doth not account for evil trying to blend in, which they often do. He seems to wish the day to be over as soon as possible a second time.

Sherlock - Also pusheth the Gandalf lynch fairly hard, but it doth seem like a defense of himself to do so. He doth not argue very strongly if thou asketh me, but Watson reached out to him during the day so I doth not believe both to be mafia, for twould be too obvious. Could definitely be a neutral however. That warning about the witch couldst have been made from the perspective of the witch himself to aid the mafia in their target choice, rather than the other way around.

Pinkie Pie - Claimeth the most probable sheriff Yosemite was guilty, which is not a legitimate sheriff result. If this be a random guess from a citizen trying to catch a bullet and Yosemite turned out not to be mafia, the attempt be wasted and harmful. This much should have been obvious to Pinkie Pie hirself. This wouldst also make hir a likely target for the sheriff to check the next night though, so twould be unwise for scum to attempt this unless they be godfather. Still, mild suspicions remain.

Those who lurketh and trolleth (Mr T, Thrakhath, Batman, Lone Ranger, Tut, Kermit, Dracula, Wile E, Count, Bunny, Hamburglar, Bridge Keeper) - Some of these are vile beings for certain. The problem is that figuring out which of them are is difficult to accomplish by analyzing the conversation alone. This be why citizens shouldst not troll and lurk, especially in a game like this, where power and investigation are limited resources. The evils shalt NOT kill these men for obvious reasons, so they shalt be left disrupting our efforts until the end unless we do something about them. I recommend one sheriff (preferrably sheriff number 2) to consider checking these people, for it's difficult for the mafia to pick an accurate frame target if you do and it could help us immensely in the long run, when few are left and the town players that remain need to know where the lurkers stand. There seem to be some more replacements to make sure lurkers are not removed from the game after a modkill, so I'd not worry about that too much.


After all these considerations I shalt place mine vote Frankenstein on for the time being. If he doth not get lynched, I think he shouldst get shot. There be a good chance that he is evil, and if he is not then he must be one of the least valuable citizens.

FM Frankenstein
D2R317

im not taking notes cuz my dog ate my notes but i think sk found a mafia member on n1 and now they both know eachother. every1 keep ur eyes peeled 4 secr3t codes or somethin
D2R323

u dumb good for nothing pirate. u cant compare me to mr t because:
1. he is black, and i'm green
2. he has a mohawk, and i have a helmet
3. i didnt spam, he did
4. i voted scum, he didnt
D2R379

if it actually is a code, imagine if every two characters represents a letter. it would then be a 7 letter word if that were true.

if it were to post a rule to someone, the only 7 letter roles are citizen, sheriff, and consort
D2R405

Explain please, do you doubt the sheriff? Are you a mafia?

[FM Jack Sparrow]

[GM edit]Shall I mod kill you now or later? Consider this a warning.[/GM Edit]

[FM Jack Sparrow]

You don't give a fuck anymore because town is following a sheriff evidence drop against a scummy-seeming player who's only made himself more suspicious as time passed and pressure mounted. Yep, seems legit. If you really don't care anymore why not ask Yayap to modkill you? There's plenty of people who'd gladly replace you.

No Mr. Jack o Rtard. Because bads think its cool to lynch Gaydolf today instead of telling the trollvigi to shoot him at night and the jailor just jails. Both awesome Sheriffs think its better to lynch him out despite to do a little effort to coordinate the shot into Gandalfs face. This is all so highly ineffective. Do those 2 guys really need the Gandalf lynch to check people Like Mr. T or Frankenstein? I don't think so.

This is all so lol. I ve seen a lot of smaller games with smarter plays. But in the end the more humans are at one place the more stupid they get.

So yeah. Suck it! :)

[FM Jack Sparrow]

I am gonna to kill Jack O Neil tonight!

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

[GM edit]Shall I mod kill you now or later? Consider this a warning.[/GM Edit]


No Mr. Jack o Rtard. Because bads think its cool to lynch Gaydolf today instead of telling the trollvigi to shoot him at night and the jailor just jails. Both awesome Sheriffs think its better to lynch him out despite to do a little effort to coordinate the shot into Gandalfs face. This is all so highly ineffective. Do those 2 guys really need the Gandalf lynch to check people Like Mr. T or Frankenstein? I don't think so.

This is all so lol. I ve seen a lot of smaller games with smarter plays. But in the end the more humans are at one place the more stupid they get.

So yeah. Suck it! :)

Could always save us the annoyance Yayap.

[FM Hungry]

people are just impatient, they want to see his role now

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

I am gonna to kill Jack O Neil tonight!

Go for it.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Could always save us the annoyance Yayap.

Dream on scum.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

people are just impatient, they want to see his role now

It's because there really isn't a terrible lot of difference, jailor interrogation is not guaranteed to provide useful information to the town as a whole yet a lynch would identify the role of a player PLUS the vigilante could shoot another scum in addition to that, providing yet more information.

So we either get a lynch + a kill, 2 kills, 1 kill, 0 kills, or a lynch and the lynch would provide additional information to the vigilante and both sheriffs in choosing their target. Just makes sense. Jailor is not some divine scum-sniffer.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Go for it.

Wish i could.

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Or have you forgotten 2 FMs ago where the jailor was entirely useless.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

It's because there really isn't a terrible lot of difference, jailor interrogation is not guaranteed to provide useful information to the town as a whole yet a lynch would identify the role of a player PLUS the vigilante could shoot another scum in addition to that, providing yet more information.

So we either get a lynch + a kill, 2 kills, 1 kill, 0 kills, or a lynch and the lynch would provide additional information to the vigilante and both sheriffs in choosing their target. Just makes sense. Jailor is not some divine scum-sniffer.

Clearly not if you role jailor.

[FM King Arthur]

Could always save us the annoyance Yayap.

That be him being a citizen, frustrated because nobody taketh his opinion seriously or calleth him scum for expressing it and the load of lurkers which are bound to cause most efforts to be in vain. That is what I think, anyway. Tis familiar.


people are just impatient, they want to see his role now
Be that as it may, I fear it still doth not yield the most long-term gain. Especially if he turneth out to be town.

[FM Master Chef]

Master Chief won't last long if he is not certain town roles.

:)

still reading up guise w8 4 me

[FM Batman]

Well i caught the ZnT reference made by frank.

Also a possibility (yes i list these cuz people tend to forget these are viable scenarios)

Gandalf: Don´t lynch or jail me, just shoot me.
What i see: I´m the witch, let me try to get a doctor heal on myself tonight.
I can´t be the only one though.

[FM Locutus]

FMGM, will you post a list of players who haven't posted at the end of the day and people that will be modkilled?

[Forum Mafia GM]

nope... you can do that yourself by doing what Jack Oneill said. That is how I do it.

[FM Hungry]

FM Gandalf

He is 1 vote away from beeing hammered now

[FM Col Jack ONeill]

Just over an hour left, 2 votes away from lynch, and 2 people on the chopping block for modkills.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Who cares about modkills? They just get replaced anyway as long as there are reserves. So what? They are polly cits. Who cares?

[FM Animal]

I still consider the vigi shooting the suspect to be the best option, but the witch idea is interesting. I fell that we are not certain of our doctors enough for this witch strategy to work, so I feel secure in allowing killing to be done in the dark.