S-FM: Student's Glory

[Damus_Graves]

Within the Night chats you may lynch only the players in the same "Vault" as you. You may only speak with those players. Each "Vault" Can have any type of players in the "Vault" with one exception, There will be a Neutral in each "Vault." If you get lynched within a "Vault" you are still as dead as a day lynch or night death.

Neutral {3} (Insurgents) :

Hidden
Hidden
Hidden

Town {8} (Loyalists) :

Hidden
Hidden
Hidden
Hidden
Hidden
Hidden
Hidden


Students {2} :
Student
Student





Possible Roles
Town: Sheriff,Investigator,Detective,Lookout,Doctor,Body guard,Veteran,Vigilante,Jailor,Escort
Neutral: Jester,Executioner,Student,Amnesiac,Witch,Mutagen Developer,Slaver,Serial Killer,Arsonist,Mass Murderer, Fabricator

Order of Operations
Jailor Jails
Veteran Alerts
Role Blocks and Witching
Heals, Protection, Kills
Fabrications
Amnesiac and Student Chooses
Toxin delivered
All Investigative (Including Detective/Lookout) Results


Investigative Pairings
Sheriff/Executioner/Jester/Jailor/Investigator/Arsonist/Amnesiac
Detective/Lookout/Fabricator/Doctor/Vigilante/Mutagen Developer
Escort/Bodyguard/Slaver/Serial Killer/Veteran/Mass Murderer/Student

Win Conditions
Town: Eliminate Evil Neutrals
Student and Amnesiac: Take on the Win Condition of your target
Jester: Get lynched
Executioner: Lynched your assigned target
Mutagen Developer/Witch: Destroy the Town; Can win with Other Neutrals
Killing Neutrals: Win alone
Slaver: Enslave (Eliminate) the Town


Jester
Your goal is to be lynched

Executioner
Your goal is to lynch your target
You become a jester upon failure

Student
You take on the win condition of your mentor
You gain a night chat with your mentor

Amnesiac
You can remember a role from the graveyard


Fabricator
You can change the role and last will of a player that will be shown in the graveyard if your targeted player dies the same night
You have 3 charges


Sheriff
You detect whether someone is evil or not

Investigator
You detect your target's investigative pairings

Detective
You detect who your target visits

Lookout
You can see who visits your target

Doctor
You can heal(+1) your target

Bodyguard
You can sacrifice your live to save your target and kill the attacker

Veteran
You have 2 alerts
You will kill everyone who visits you while on alert

Vigilante
You have 2 shots

Jailor
You can jail a target
You have one execution
Jailing is a perfect role block
You can jail on lynch days
Target does NOT get night immunity

Escort
You can roleblock your target

Mutagen Developer

At night, he injects a mutating drug into a target player. The player is not informed of this. An injected player grows in strength, gaining the ability to resist one attack (a passive vest). The next night, an injected player's action kills their target (in addition to) any original effects their action would have. If an injected player (is a citizen | does not take an action the next night), the unused energy in their system gives them a heart attack, killing them. You may only use this ability on each player once.

Slaver

Enslaves a Town role to serve him each night.
Limited to 3 enslavements
When Slaver dies the slaves get freed.

Serial Killer

Kill one target a night.

Arsonist

Douse someone at night, burn at day

Mass Murderer

Target someone at night killing all who enter the home


Rules:

Do not revel COM in Night chats, Doing so results in Modkill.
Vote in the new BB Code Vote Tag
Ask Questions in Green
Skip Votes with Cyan
Gamethrowing is highly prohibited
No outside game discussion AKA Skype,IRL Talking,Rep Message,PM
You must post 3 times a day and cast a vote
Failing to comply with these rules will result in a modkill
Do not edit your posts. Doing so is an instant modkill. No replacements, No second chance.


Special Mechanics:
Everyone is separated into three night chats (apart from their own) where they can communicate and form plans, etc.
Everyone shall gain a secondary goal, within these night chats, they must achieve before being able to win.

Killing Neutrals: Must successfully Mislynch within Night chat to begin killing
Town Killers: Must successfully save themselves from a mislynch within a Night Chat to begin killing
Healers: Must successfully lynch within a Night Chat to begin healing.
Investigators: Must successfully lead a lynch within a Night Chat to begin investigating.
Students: Must survive an attack, lynch or otherwise.
Benign Neutrals: Free from secondary goals.

[Fatalis]

=town loses night 1! YAY!
Fix that and you got a great looking game

[creedkingsx]

=town loses night 1! YAY!
Fix that and you got a great looking game

lolwut?

[Damus_Graves]

lolwut?

He is mad he got lynched d1 of my game.

[Roflcopter]

Keepers never get included :(

[Fatalis]

lolwut?

Town loses majority in 1 night..

[creedkingsx]

Town loses majority in 1 night..

It's 3 benign neutrals, not evil neutrals.

[Fatalis]

I'm sorry if I sound mad or trolling or anything, I'm really not
Even though it's benign neutral most of the time they won't side with town, especially with possible roles such as mutagen

[creedkingsx]

Student and amnesiac can become town.
Slaver is like a cult, but you kill him, they become town again.
Day 1 is not troll day, anymore.
There are no citizens.

[Fatalis]

Student and amnesiac can become town.
Slaver is like a cult, but you kill him, they become town again.
Day 1 is not troll day, anymore.
There are no citizens.

True but town is still in a very disfavored position. Considering 1 night is all it takes to lose majority

[Damus_Graves]

The objective with this save is to make both the Mafia and the Town have to use their collective intellect to achieve victory. Town is usually stacked, either with to many PR roles or with too many members. Scum often attack one another and mislynches happen way to often.

Town need to start using their head some more, based on the recent plays of SFMs only, and stop trolling d1.
This type of setup puts town in those hard spots while not completely ridding them of victory.

You know that feeling when you get victory for town through your brain and use of words?
Exactly like that is this save, town only.

[Brendan]

Wow another playmaf setup wow.

[Damus_Graves]

Wow another playmaf setup wow.

Their just filler for RP.
Originally I was going to use random'd names but after seeing the similarities I decided to steal a page from Appley's book ;)

[Damus_Graves]

Finis

[Roflcopter]

The first rule doens't make sense, there are no longer any COM names to reveal.

[Damus_Graves]

The first rule doens't make sense, there are no longer any COM names to reveal.

Night Chat is anon.

[BorkBot]

Are you still looking to host this?

[Damus_Graves]

Are you still looking to host this?

Not yet.
There are a few kinks I need to work out and my night chat forum is currently in use by someone else.

[BorkBot]

Alright. Bump it later then.

[Damus_Graves]

Neutrals win together

[BorkBot]

What happens if a student picks a neutral with a special victory condition as his mentor (like amnesiac, student, executioner or jester) as his mentor and that mentor dies without completing the objective? (considering your student doesn't assume his master's role)

What happens if the slaver tries to recruit a neutral? Any feedback?

Does the bodyguard pierce immunity (i.e. does it kill veterans?)

Does the mass murderer kill people who don't move? (roleblocked/jailed/no action submitted)

Is jailing counted as a visitation?

Can the arsonist incinerate at any given moment during the day? Will the victim be revealed? Does incineration affect his ability to douse the next night?


The next night, an injected player's action kills their target (in addition to | in replacement of) any original effects their action would have

Which is it? Or is it different depending on the role? If so, clarify what happens for each role.

Needs rule to prohibit editing posts.

I'm personally not a fan of your idea to force people to lynch in some separate night chat before actions can be used because I think the game will revolve entirely around manipulating that mechanic rather than applying strategies for forum mafia as we know it. People will focus entirely on their extra condition to be able to start using their abilities and most reads will be based on that alone. There seems to be little incentive to do much in day chat. It's highly experimental and far from simple. This is personal taste however, so you can use the system if you want.

I'd recommend disabling last wills and death notes if you proceed using this vaults mechanic.

[Damus_Graves]

What happens if a student picks a neutral with a special victory condition as his mentor (like amnesiac, student, executioner or jester) as his mentor and that mentor dies without completing the objective? (considering your student doesn't assume his master's role)

The Student, having chosen a Neutral {Jester/Executioner/Amesniac} who then dies prematurely, is tasked with surviving the game.

What happens if the slaver tries to recruit a neutral? Any feedback?

Failed to enslave

Does the bodyguard pierce immunity (i.e. does it kill veterans?)

Yes

Does the mass murderer kill people who don't move? (roleblocked/jailed/no action submitted)

Yes

Is jailing counted as a visitation?

No

Can the arsonist incinerate at any given moment during the day? Will the victim be revealed? Does incineration affect his ability to douse the next night?

Yes, Yes, Yes (He cannot douse the following night)
Which is it? Or is it different depending on the role? If so, clarify what happens for each role.

Needs rule to prohibit editing posts.

Will create some

I'm personally not a fan of your idea to force people to lynch in some separate night chat before actions can be used because I think the game will revolve entirely around manipulating that mechanic rather than applying strategies for forum mafia as we know it. People will focus entirely on their extra condition to be able to start using their abilities and most reads will be based on that alone. There seems to be little incentive to do much in day chat. It's highly experimental and far from simple. This is personal taste however, so you can use the system if you want.

I'd recommend disabling last wills and death notes if you proceed using this vaults mechanic.

The reason for this experiment into my vault mechanics is to add another layer of thinking and not blindly follow someone. I want my participants to think for themselves and create elaborate, or simple, ways on manipulation of both mechanics and other people's thoughts in order to obtain victory. I want out of the box thinking and non-normal strategies to be used. (Also the offsite vault chat will be anon.)

I know that this is a large risk im taking with my setup but I am growing tired of see-ing, within the newer people of FMs, the usual bland. I hardly see anyone taking incentive to create persona's that could, in scum view, hinder the towns progress with scum hunting; with town view, trap scum into making mistakes.

All I see within the games today is the usual scum blending, Town sheeping, citizen/scum lurking. I hope to rectify that in this game.

[BorkBot]

What happens if the slaver tries to recruit a neutral? Any feedback?

Failed to enslave
Who is notified? Target, slaver or both?

Do the slaver's slaves know each other's identities?

[Damus_Graves]

Who is notified? Target, slaver or both?

Do the slaver's slaves know each other's identities?

1. Slaver

2. Hmmm Yes they do.. Identity only. No idea about previous held role

[BorkBot]

Do slaves lose their original role and night action then?

[Damus_Graves]

Do slaves lose their original role and night action then?

Yes but if Slaver dies they get their original role + Night action + Night chat, if had, back

[BorkBot]

Waiting for the rule addition about editing posts and clarification of mutagen effects as requested in the first review (I hope you didn't miss those huge red comic sans letters... reading inside your own quote generally isn't a good idea if someone else might have quotes in their post too :p).

[Damus_Graves]

done sry.
I think that the Mutagen's mechanics is clear now.

[BorkBot]

So a doctor who gets infected with the mutagen is awesome, and a bodyguard will kill himself for defending his target from himself?

Are there any roles that self visit and suicide as a result of the mutagen? (veteran, arsonist, ...)

Can the mass murderer self visit?

[Orpz]

If Arsonist burns during the day, do people just die during the day? o_O

[BorkBot]

If Arsonist burns during the day, do people just die during the day? o_O

I can answer that one.. yes.

But you probably won't notice it until the host handles the "day event," just like with a mayor reveal.

[BorkBot]

Just a friendly reminder to you Damus: if you use an arsonist and a day burn happens, don't forget to update the # of votes required to lynch.

[Damus_Graves]

So a doctor who gets infected with the mutagen is awesome, and a bodyguard will kill himself for defending his target from himself?

Are there any roles that self visit and suicide as a result of the mutagen? (veteran, arsonist, ...)

Can the mass murderer self visit?


All yes

[BorkBot]

Approved