Day 1: First Blood

[Forum Mafia GM]

Welcome to FM16! A simpler FM than the usual. As you can all see, names have all been made so that there shouldn't be any confusion in remembering them. You may pick avatars for yourselves and change them at will, but I request that you don't change them after day 1, its not a rule but a request.

Now on to the bad news. Yehat, a winged creature from StarControl was found dead in the ballroom with the revolver. Aka he was killed by the mafia, he was a citizen of a random town we shall name Fuzzywuzzyton. It is your job to find out who did it and remove them from play.

As I said before, due to my real life time requirements, I can't commit as much time to this game. I'll do my best as host to keep it rolling smoothly and I hope everyone has fun.


Role list:
1-Citizen
2-Citizen
3-Citizen
4-Sheriff
5-Mafioso
6-Citizen
7-Citizen
8-Citizen
9-Doctor
10-GodFather
11-Citizen
12-Citizen
13-Citizen
14-Vigilante
15-Consort
16-Citizen
17-Citizen
18-Citizen
19-Escort
20-Serial Killer
21-Citizen
22-Citizen
23-Citizen
24-Blacksmith
25-Consigliere
26-Citizen
27-Citizen
28-Citizen
29-Doctor
30-Framer
31-Citizen: FM Yehat - Killed by the Mafia
32-Citizen
33-Citizen
34-Sheriff
35-Witch
36-Citizen
37-Citizen
38-Citizen
39-Jailor
40-Mafioso
41-Citizen
42-Citizen

Player List:
01- FM Agahnim
02- FM Animal
03- FM Anubis
04- FM Batman
05- FM Bridge Keeper
06- FM Captain Obvious
07- FM Ceasar
08- FM Col Jack ONeill
09- FM Cookie Monster
10- FM Count von Count
11- FM Dracula
12- FM Frankenstein
13- FM Gandalf
14- FM Gimli
15- FM Hamburglar
16- FM Hungry
17- FM Indiana Jones
18- FM Inspector Cluseau
19- FM Jack Sparrow
20- FM Kermit
21- FM King Arthur
22- FM King Tut
23- FM Locutus
24- FM Lone Ranger
25- FM Master Chef
26- FM Michigan J Frog
27- FM Mr Bunny
28- FM Mr T
29- FM Pinkie Pie
30- FM Prince Thrakhath
31- FM Robin Hood
32- FM Rubber Ducky
33- FM Sherlock
34- FM SpongeBob
35- FM The Joker
36- FM The Terminator
37- FM Watson
38- FM Wile E Coyote
39- FM Wolverine
40- FM Yehat: Citizen - Killed by the Mafia
41- FM Yoda
42- FM Yosemite Sam


Day will end at 8pm GMT-5, Dec 17th. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Dec+17th+2012+8pm+gmt-5)


PS: if you have any problems on the forums, please PM me and I will do my best to resolve it asap.

21

[FM Ceasar]

Still 20 seconds until deadline...

GM edit: my windows clock and cell phone said exactly 8pm when I hit post.

[FM Ceasar]

Oh, also, first!

[Inspector Cluseau]

Hello!

[FM Robin Hood]

Greetings, people! It is I, FM Robin Hood, master of balance!

[FM Yoda]

Mourning over citizen I am.

[FM Master Chef]

Hello, everyone...

[FM The Terminator]

Hello.
I'm here.
I survived night one.
Apparently, so did someone else who was intended to die. The Serial Killer did not make a kill. Either he was roleblocked, or his target was healed.
I'll be back.

[FM Gandalf]

Hi everyone. I'm looking forward to a good game!

I need to state right off the bat, though, that I'll be traveling for the holidays between December 26 and December 31, so my activity rate during that week is going to be somewhat limited. (I'll still read everything, vote if I need to, and post every day, but I'll be less active during that window.)

[FM Robin Hood]

Hello.
I'm here.
I survived night one.
Apparently, so did someone else who was intended to die. The Serial Killer did not make a kill. Either he was roleblocked, or his target was healed.
I'll be back.

Or the killer didn't submit a night action, and the GM forgot to modkill him.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Hello!

Look at this scum...

[FM Agahnim]

inb4 Yoda is scum

[FM Locutus]

Hello.
I'm here.
I survived night one.
Apparently, so did someone else who was intended to die. The Serial Killer did not make a kill. Either he was roleblocked, or his target was healed.
I'll be back.

Or! He hit a mafia member/ witch

Scum can't hurt scum in this setup.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Hello.
I'm here.
I survived night one.
Apparently, so did someone else who was intended to die. The Serial Killer did not make a kill. Either he was roleblocked, or his target was healed.
I'll be back.

Life isn't all shoot shoot bang bang, you know.

[FM Rubber Ducky]

Hello, I'm a duck.

[FM Yoda]

inb4 Yoda is scum

Lack the sword I do.

[FM Captain Obvious]

Lack the sword I do.

You mean lightsaber?

[FM Ceasar]

Btw, $10 says that Jailor is going to hurt town more then it's going to help us:P

[Inspector Cluseau]

Btw, $10 says that Jailor is going to hurt town more then it's going to help us:P

Ceasar is Mafia.

[FM Ceasar]

Ceasar is Mafia.

Oh you.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Oh you.

Look at this scum..

[FM Yoda]

You mean lightsaber?

Obvious, Yes. Usefull you are not.

[FM Rubber Ducky]

Hi everyone. I'm looking forward to a good game!

I need to state right off the bat, though, that I'll be traveling for the holidays between December 26 and December 31, so my activity rate during that week is going to be somewhat limited. (I'll still read everything, vote if I need to, and post every day, but I'll be less active during that window.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIMoQHpvFQQ&list=PLEFFD0AFDDF3F2C43&index=11

Dumbledore kicked your ass

[FM Michigan J Frog]

41

41 votes to lynch? Probably should be 21 instead?

[FM The Terminator]

Hello, I'm a duck.

Hello duck. I am a mechanical killing machine from the future, who is aligned with the town members of Fuzzywuzzyton.

to change the name of the town to something else
How about New York City?

[FM Anubis]

why is cesar mafia?

[Inspector Cluseau]

41 votes to lynch? Probably should be 21 instead?

this forces everyone to post before day could possibly end.

[Inspector Cluseau]

why is cesar mafia?

He is trying to discourage a Jailor from acting.

[FM Agahnim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIMoQHpvFQQ&list=PLEFFD0AFDDF3F2C43&index=11

Dumbledore kicked your ass

Possible scum here.

[FM The Terminator]

why is cesar mafia?

inb4 Anubis and Caesar are scum together

[Inspector Cluseau]

He is trying to discourage a Jailor from acting.

Where as the people in this game should be smart enough to jail someone repeatedly, until it is unquestionable they are evil.

[Inspector Cluseau]

inb4 Anubis and Caesar are scum together

inb4 Terminator is scum

[FM Yoda]

to change the name of the town to something else
How about New York City?

Atlantis should be.

[FM King Arthur]

Lo, there be misspelt names. Tis an outrage! We shall burn the heretic responsible for this! Art thou with me, Knights?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Lo, there be misspelt names. Tis an outrage! We shall burn the heretic responsible for this! Art thou with me, Knights?

Run up on me some then pincka.

[FM The Terminator]

Atlantis should be.

Atlantis

[FM Agahnim]

Lo, there be misspelt names. Tis an outrage! We shall burn the heretic responsible for this! Art thou with me, Knights?

Possible scum here too

[FM Gandalf]

Thou is singular. I think you want "you" or "ye."

[FM Robin Hood]

Geez, day one, and we're already pointing fingers. If I didn't know better, I'd say that all of you are scum.

[FM The Terminator]

Lo, there be misspelt names. Tis an outrage! We shall burn the heretic responsible for this! Art thou with me, Knights?

Angels fall, all for you, heretic!

[FM Captain Obvious]

Obvious, Yes. Usefull you are not.

Hey he talks like Yoda too, and his name is yoda!

[FM The Terminator]

Geez, day one, and we're already pointing fingers. If I didn't know better, I'd say that all of you are scum.

inb4godfather

[Inspector Cluseau]

Geez, day one, and we're already pointing fingers. If I didn't know better, I'd say that all of you are scum.

Look at this scum...

[FM The Terminator]

Hey he talks like Yoda too, and his name is yoda!

I read the message and was about to say something snarky, but then I saw your name.

[FM The Terminator]

Look at this scum...

I agree. That panther has a lean and hungry look. I bet it's the godfather.

[FM King Arthur]

Thou is singular. I think you want "you" or "ye."

I careth not!

[FM Yoda]

Lo, there be misspelt names. Tis an outrage! We shall burn the heretic responsible for this! Art thou with me, Knights?

Righteous knights order? Doubting I am.

[FM Robin Hood]

Look at this scum...

You know what? You're really getting on my nerves.

[FM Agahnim]

Town:

1-Citizen
2-Citizen
3-Citizen
4-Sheriff
6-Citizen
7-Citizen
8-Citizen
9-Doctor
11-Citizen
12-Citizen
13-Citizen
14-Vigilante
16-Citizen
17-Citizen
18-Citizen
19-Escort
21-Citizen
22-Citizen
23-Citizen
24-Blacksmith
26-Citizen
27-Citizen
28-Citizen
29-Doctor
31-Citizen: FM Yehat - Killed by the Mafia
32-Citizen
33-Citizen
34-Sheriff
36-Citizen
37-Citizen
38-Citizen
39-Jailor
41-Citizen
42-Citizen



Mafia:

40-Mafioso
25-Consigliere
15-Consort
10-GodFather
5-Mafioso
30-Framer

Neutrals:

35-Witch
20-Serial Killer



Made for better viewing and organization

[FM Gandalf]

has a lean and hungry look

Caesar? Huh? Is this a coded message?

[FM Rubber Ducky]

You know what? You're really getting on my nerves.
inb4 Inspector Clauseau dies tomorrow

[FM The Terminator]

Righteous knights order? Doubting I am.

Come on. The first sentence doesn't even have a verb. You're bad at Yoda.

GUYS I THINK HES DISGUISER

[Inspector Cluseau]

You know what? You're really getting on my nerves.

Shoot me then, scum.

[FM The Terminator]

Town:

1-Citizen
2-Citizen
3-Citizen
4-Sheriff
6-Citizen
7-Citizen
8-Citizen
9-Doctor
11-Citizen
12-Citizen
13-Citizen
14-Vigilante
16-Citizen
17-Citizen
18-Citizen
19-Escort
21-Citizen
22-Citizen
23-Citizen
24-Blacksmith
26-Citizen
27-Citizen
28-Citizen
29-Doctor
31-Citizen: FM Yehat - Killed by the Mafia
32-Citizen
33-Citizen
34-Sheriff
36-Citizen
37-Citizen
38-Citizen
39-Jailor
41-Citizen
42-Citizen



Mafia:

40-Mafioso
25-Consigliere
15-Consort
10-GodFather
5-Mafioso
30-Framer

Neutrals:

35-Witch
20-Serial Killer



Made for better viewing and organization

Thank you.

[FM Robin Hood]

Protect the sheriffs at all cost!

[FM Captain Obvious]

I read the message and was about to say something snarky, but then I saw your name.

=)

[FM The Terminator]

Caesar? Huh? Is this a coded message?

...? How does that have anything to do with Caesar?
All I suggested was that the panther was hungry. It doesn't even look like a vegetarian.

[FM Rubber Ducky]

Hey he talks like Yoda too, and his name is yoda!
This guy knows everything even my secret
My secret is that i am a duck

[FM The Terminator]

Protect the sheriffs at all cost!

I believe that the plural is "Sherives."

[FM The Terminator]

This guy knows everything even my secret
My secret is that i am a duck

Hmm...

[FM Locutus]

If anyone is curious there are 25 Citizens remaining.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Protect the sheriffs at all cost!

No, protect the Inspectors at all costs. We are like Sheriffs, but we detect Last Wills.

[FM King Arthur]

Righteous knights order? Doubting I am.

Behold.

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/TeKfV2rwEOc/0.jpg

[FM Robin Hood]

Caesar? Huh? Is this a coded message?


Permitted, but I hope you get lynched for using it.

What he said.

[FM The Terminator]

This guy knows everything even my secret
My secret is that i am a duck

Are you a duck?

[Inspector Cluseau]

If anyone is curious there are 25 Citizens remaining.

Locutus has claimed Mafia.

[FM Rubber Ducky]

Are you a duck?
Damn, how did you know?

[FM Yoda]

Mafia:

40-Mafioso
10-GodFather
5-Mafioso

Neutrals:

20-Serial Killer

Four killers there is.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Four killers there is.

Yoda has claimed Witch/Framer/Consort/Consigliere.

[FM Cookie Monster]

FEAR ME! I'M THE COOKIE MONSTER

[FM The Terminator]

Damn, how did you know?

I'm from the goddamn future. I even know how this game ends. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to spoil it for you. Yayap made me sign a contract, you see.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Ok that wasn't so cool without an avatar

[FM Robin Hood]

Locutus has claimed Mafia.

Oh, yeah!? Secret Technique: Flaming Arrow Barrage!!!

[FM The Terminator]

Four killers there is.

are*

[FM The Terminator]

Ok that wasn't so cool without an avatar

Get an avatar then

[FM Agahnim]

Four killers there is.

If you are including Jailor and Vigilante then sure. 4 killers.
If not there are only 2. Mafioso's are the only ones that can kill. GF has to be all by his lonesome.

Should I consider this some kind of scum tell?

[FM Rubber Ducky]

I'm from the goddamn future. I even know how this game ends. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to spoil it for you. Yayap made me sign a contract, you see.
I see, Then you must know everything about everyone.

[FM The Terminator]

FEAR ME! I'M THE COOKIE MONSTER

No. Fear me. I have been designed to literally murder everyone I can find.

[FM Gandalf]

If you are including Jailor and Vigilante then sure. 4 killers.
If not there are only 2. Mafioso's are the only ones that can kill. GF has to be all by his lonesome.

Should I consider this some kind of scum tell?

Why are you leaving out the sk?

[FM Captain Obvious]

I believe that the plural is "Sherives."

That sounds like a vegetable.

[Inspector Cluseau]

If you are including Jailor and Vigilante then sure. 4 killers.
If not there are only 2. Mafioso's are the only ones that can kill. GF has to be all by his lonesome.

Should I consider this some kind of scum tell?

I did.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Why are you leaving out the sk?

Gandalf has claimed Serial Killer.

[FM Yoda]

Darkside strong is.
Become hard immersion has, this synthetic notices.

[FM The Terminator]

I see, Then you must know everything about everyone.

I do. For example, your role is [REDACTED]. The mafia team consists of 2 Mafioso, Godfather, Framer, Consigliere, and Consort. There is also a witch and a serial killer present.

[FM Agahnim]

Why are you leaving out the sk?

Because the point was Mafiosos+GF cannot kill independently from one another yet Yoda said there are four killers while quoting 2 Mafiosos, a GF, and a SK.

[FM Captain Obvious]

Gandalf has claimed Serial Killer.

He's obviously the jester.

[FM Robin Hood]

Inspector Cluseau has claimed WORST. DETECTIVE. EVER.

[Inspector Cluseau]

He's obviously the jester.

Captain Obvious has claimed Vigilante.

[FM The Terminator]

Darkside strong is.
Become hard immersion has, this synthetic notices.

Okay, now you're just putting your words in a random order.

[FM Gandalf]

Btw Gandalf is actually meant to be pronounced Gandalv. (Tolkien would have spelled it Gandalph if he wanted an f sound.)

[FM Rubber Ducky]

I just noticed that we gain no post count, Might be a bit harder to point out some lurkers

Is the post count going to stay at 0?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Btw Gandalf is actually meant to be pronounced Gandalv. (Tolkien would have spelled it Gandalph if he wanted an f sound.)

Look at this scum...

[FM Kermit]

I'm a citizen with some serious swag yo.

[FM The Terminator]

Btw Gandalf is actually meant to be pronounced Gandalv. (Tolkien would have spelled it Gandalph if he wanted an f sound.)

He would have spelled it Gandalv if he wanted a V sound.

[Inspector Cluseau]

I'm a citizen with some serious swag yo.

Kermit has claimed Citizen.

[FM The Terminator]

Look at this scum...

The panther is winking evilly...

[FM The Terminator]

Kermit has claimed Citizen.

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS HAS DISGUISED AS INSPECTOR CLUSEAU

[FM Jack Sparrow]

do what you want cause a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

[FM Yoda]

I'm a citizen with some serious swag yo.

Dark spawn.

[FM Agahnim]

Darkside strong is.
Become hard immersion has, this synthetic notices.

Strong, the Darkside has become.
Noticed have I, the difficulty in Immersion.



If you, certain scum, are gonna RP as Yoda. Do it right/

[Inspector Cluseau]

The panther is winking evilly...

Yes. Said the Terminator.

[FM Kermit]

Kermit has claimed Citizen.

Yo.

[FM The Terminator]

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Strong, the Darkside has become.
Noticed have I, the difficulty in Immersion.
If you, certain scum, are gonna RP as Yoda. Do it right/

Btw. Agahnim is confirmed Town.

[FM King Arthur]

Tis rather simple to claim citizen with all the rabble in this town. It means naught.

[FM Captain Obvious]

Kermit has claimed Citizen.

Hey! That's my job!!!!!!

[FM The Terminator]

Yes. Said the Terminator.

Do you have a point? Inscumtor? Scumspector? Inspecscum? Scumseau? Cluscum?
I think the last one is the best...

[FM Cookie Monster]

Yay avatar!
The role list seperate thread is inacurate now *sadface*
I hate tabs.. brb making role list for easy reference

[FM The Terminator]

Tis rather simple to claim citizen with all the rabble in this town. It means naught.

You're the king? I didn't vote for you...

[FM King Arthur]

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Was this question meant for Sir Yoda?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Tis rather simple to claim citizen with all the rabble in this town. It means naught.

King Arthur has claimed Jailor.

[FM The Terminator]

Town:

1-Citizen
2-Citizen
3-Citizen
4-Sheriff
6-Citizen
7-Citizen
8-Citizen
9-Doctor
11-Citizen
12-Citizen
13-Citizen
14-Vigilante
16-Citizen
17-Citizen
18-Citizen
19-Escort
21-Citizen
22-Citizen
23-Citizen
24-Blacksmith
26-Citizen
27-Citizen
28-Citizen
29-Doctor
31-Citizen: FM Yehat - Killed by the Mafia
32-Citizen
33-Citizen
34-Sheriff
36-Citizen
37-Citizen
38-Citizen
39-Jailor
41-Citizen
42-Citizen



Mafia:

40-Mafioso
25-Consigliere
15-Consort
10-GodFather
5-Mafioso
30-Framer

Neutrals:

35-Witch
20-Serial Killer



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Here you go, Cookie Monster.

[FM Dracula]

Hello all. The amount of accusations being thrown around are too damn high to count. A ha ha.

[FM Master Chef]

I think this fits my name better.

[FM Captain Obvious]

Hello all. The amount of accusations being thrown around are too damn high to count. A ha ha.

Hahahah cause you're COUNT Dracula!

[FM King Arthur]

do what you want cause a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

Take that back or thou shalt earn a flogging!

[FM Yoda]

Hello all. The amount of accusations being thrown around are too damn high to count. A ha ha.

Corruption, you are part of.

[FM The Terminator]

King Arthur has claimed Jailor.

Cluscum has claimed [REDACTED].

Future edit: This hasn't happened yet.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Cluscum has claimed [REDACTED].

Future edit: This hasn't happened yet.

Cluscum has claimed Blacksmith.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Is anybody else worried about the no-last-wills-mechanic?
It’s ok. I’ve thought about it, and here’s how we’re going to deal with it:

Roles are revealed upon death so we are all going to hypo (hypo = hypothetical claim) night actions as each town power role in the game every day. Since days are 48 hours long, any feedback claims if they are to be made should come in the first 24 hours of day, and all hypo claims should come in the last 24 hours of each day.

List of all town power roles in the game:
Sheriff
Doctor
Vigilante
Escort
Blacksmith
Doctor
Sheriff
Jailor

If a vigilante shot is made, role blocks are claimed, blacksmith materials are claimed to have been received, jailed people claim in the first 24 hours of day, you should insert that information into your hypo claim list.

Here is an example of how to hypo:

I’m sheriff, and last night I got an inno/guilty (choose one!) on _________.
I’m jailor and I jailed ________ (insert name of the guy who was jailed).
I’m escort who blocked __________ (insert name of the guy who claimed blocked).
I’m vigilante and I shot _____________ (insert name of the guy who died to the vigi shot).
I’m any other town power role and I visited __________.

Basically hypos serve a dual purpose:
1. If a town power role dies, we know what their previous night actions were and can access this information even though we do not have last wills.
2. It locks scum into a corner if they decide to fake claim a power role at a later date, as they are forced to essentially construct their fake claim for the duration of the whole game.

The benefits to the hypo strategy strongly outweigh the cons, and here is why:
Con #1. People often don’t use hypo’s because scum can use false guilties or inno’s in sheriff results to narrow down their list of potential sheriffs.

Rebuttal: With this strategy, the mafia will be able to narrow down a list of names as NOT sheriff, but then they may avoid hitting other unconfirmable PR’s like doctors, etc. We can also use the WIFOM involved in the night kills to our advantage to try to reverse-engineer who the mafia are. Lastly, the benefits to town of knowing PR night actions (since we do not have last wills) strongly outweighs the benefits to mafia of using hypo claims to hunt pr’s.

Con #2. Present your questions or concerns about this plan in the thread so we can discuss further.

------

If we are to proceed with this plan, it involves full cooperation of all parties. Everyone must hypo. I can even formulate a nice template for people to use.

[FM Gandalf]

Dracula, you should change your avatar, since there's another player here who actually is Count von Count.

[FM Robin Hood]

Cluscum has claimed [REDACTED].

Future edit: This hasn't happened yet.

ROFL!

[FM The Terminator]

Hello all. The amount of accusations being thrown around are too damn high to count. A ha ha.

Stop. There's already a goddamn Count von count. Don't RP like that please.

You're gonna be too hard to keep track of.
And too hard to count.

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
A HA HA!
HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!

[FM The Terminator]

Dracula, you should change your avatar, since there's another player here who actually is Count von Count.

ninja'd

[Inspector Cluseau]

I’m sheriff, and last night I got an inno on Agahnim.
I’m jailor and I jailed Kermit.
I’m escort who blocked Gandalf.
I’m vigilante and I shot no one because n1, fuck you.
I’m any other town power role and I visited myself.

[FM Jack Sparrow]

FM Lucutus

Every day we need to lynch. He is the only Star trekk universe character.

[FM Agahnim]

Did you guys know that claiming Citizen on d2 with no reason to is actually not helpful to the Town and only really benefits scum.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

I’m sheriff, and last night I got an inno on Agahnim.
I’m jailor and I jailed Kermit.
I’m escort who blocked Gandalf.
I’m vigilante and I shot no one because n1, fuck you.
I’m any other town power role and I visited myself.

Cluseau, it's best to wait until the last 24 hours of day before you make a hypo claim so that you can take into account any future "I was role blocked/jailed/etc" claims. For example, if Gandalf now claims roleblocked, scum will be inclined to think you are an escort. The point of a hypo is not to out all the town pr results to the mafia and make the pr really obvious based on poorly done hypo claims by town. The point is to allow pr's to hide and reveal their results in lieu of having last wills by having every single townie (including all citizens) claim every single pr role.

[FM The Terminator]

Is anybody else worried about the no-last-wills-mechanic?
It’s ok. I’ve thought about it, and here’s how we’re going to deal with it:

Roles are revealed upon death so we are all going to hypo (hypo = hypothetical claim) night actions as each town power role in the game every day. Since days are 48 hours long, any feedback claims if they are to be made should come in the first 24 hours of day, and all hypo claims should come in the last 24 hours of each day.

List of all town power roles in the game:
Sheriff
Doctor
Vigilante
Escort
Blacksmith
Doctor
Sheriff
Jailor

If a vigilante shot is made, role blocks are claimed, blacksmith materials are claimed to have been received, jailed people claim in the first 24 hours of day, you should insert that information into your hypo claim list.

Here is an example of how to hypo:


Basically hypos serve a dual purpose:
1. If a town power role dies, we know what their previous night actions were and can access this information even though we do not have last wills.
2. It locks scum into a corner if they decide to fake claim a power role at a later date, as they are forced to essentially construct their fake claim for the duration of the whole game.

The benefits to the hypo strategy strongly outweigh the cons, and here is why:
Con #1. People often don’t use hypo’s because scum can use false guilties or inno’s in sheriff results to narrow down their list of potential sheriffs.

Rebuttal: With this strategy, the mafia will be able to narrow down a list of names as NOT sheriff, but then they may avoid hitting other unconfirmable PR’s like doctors, etc. We can also use the WIFOM involved in the night kills to our advantage to try to reverse-engineer who the mafia are. Lastly, the benefits to town of knowing PR night actions (since we do not have last wills) strongly outweighs the benefits to mafia of using hypo claims to hunt pr’s.

Con #2. Present your questions or concerns about this plan in the thread so we can discuss further.

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If we are to proceed with this plan, it involves full cooperation of all parties. Everyone must hypo. I can even formulate a nice template for people to use.

Are you suggesting we make two claims, one in "the morning" and one in "the evening?"
As in, assuming I'm a paranoid sheriff,
In the first 24 hours: Last night I investigated Cluscum and he is scum.
In the last 24 hours: Tonight I will check Michigan J Frog.

If not this, then what are you suggesting?

[FM Dracula]

..... that's what I get for not paying attention to the list. Fine ill pick lame ass dracula

[Inspector Cluseau]

Did you guys know that claiming Citizen on d2 with no reason to is actually not helpful to the Town and only really benefits scum.

How about we all claim Citizen? Put it back to zero.

ROLE CALL!

[FM Wolverine]

Are you suggesting we make two claims, one in "the morning" and one in "the evening?"
As in, assuming I'm a paranoid sheriff,
In the first 24 hours: Last night I investigated Cluscum and he is scum.
In the last 24 hours: Tonight I will check Michigan J Frog.

If not this, then what are you suggesting?

That's what I got out of it. But then again, I could be very very wrong.

[FM Robin Hood]

I'm sheriff, and last night, I got an inno/guilty on FM Inspector Cluseau.
I'm jailor, and I jailed FM Inspector Cluseau.
I'm escort who blocked FM Inspector Cluseau.
I'm vigilante and I shot FM Inspector Cluseau.
I'm any other town power role, and I visited FM Inspector Cluseau.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Are you suggesting we make two claims, one in "the morning" and one in "the evening?"
As in, assuming I'm a paranoid sheriff,
In the first 24 hours: Last night I investigated Cluscum and he is scum.
In the last 24 hours: Tonight I will check Michigan J Frog.

If not this, then what are you suggesting?

Incorrect.
First 24 hours of each day should be feedback claims:
"I was role blocked"
"I was jailed"
"I was attacked/healed"

Second 24 hours of each day should be hypo claims, incorporating information gained from the feedback claims:
"Yayap claims jailed last night. I am the jailor who jailed Yayap."
"Oops claims role blocked. I am the escort who role blocked oops."
"Dark Revenant claims attacked/healed. I am the doctor who healed Dark Revenant."
etc.
and:
"I am a sheriff who got an inno/guilty on _____"
"I am any other town power role who used my action on _____"

Does that make sense?

[FM Gandalf]

Frog, I suspect that it's going to be hard to get everybody to participate.

But I think it sounds like a good idea, in principle. (I'll try to think of flaws in the plan, because we don't want this to backfire & give up all our PR's.)

[FM Yoda]

ROLE CALL!

Dark spawn.

[Inspector Cluseau]

day starts. claim any feedback.
mid day. claim all power roles and what you did as them.
end day. claim all power roles and what you will do tonight.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Citizen (25)
Sheriff
Sheriff
Doctor
Doctor
Vigilante
Escort
Blacksmith
Jailor

Godfather
Mafioso
Mafioso
Consigliere
Consort
Framer

Serial Killer
Witch

Graveyard:
FM Yehat (Citizen) Killed by the Mafia

Godfather

Override Night actions
Immune to Detection
Not immune to death by town
Is informed of the players name if visited by an evil neutral
Can only kill if he is the last mafia alive


Consigliere

Find exact role
Does not replace GF

Roles
Mafioso

May be sent for the kill
Kills described as Killed by Mafia
When there are no mafioso alive other mafia members will forsake their night action for the kill
Will not kill but is informed if the target is an evil neutral


Framer

May frame 1 player each night, sheriff will get a "mafia" result if he visits the same player.


Consort

May roleblock any player at night. Target will get PM saying: "You were roleblocked!"


Serial Killer

Kills will be described as "Killed by the SK".
Will not kill but is informed if his target is Mafia or Evil Neutral.

Witch

Controls a player to target someone of his choice.
Cannot make target target self.
Can target mafia and other Evil Neutrals.
Witch cannot force a player to use an item, but if a gun is used, witch can change it's target.
Target is informed that a witch visited him.


Sheriff

Checks 1 player each night to see if he is part of the Mafia or Evil Neutrals.


Doctor

Will heal 1 player each night.


Vigilante

Can kill night 1
Unlimited shots


Escort

Can roleblock at night


Blacksmith

May give 1 vest or 1 one shot gun to a player at night.
Items can be used in addition to the persons role action


Jailor

During the day, may choose to jail a player for that night. Then he may release or execute his captive during the night. Unlimited executions. Jailed player will be roleblocked and will be immune to outside attacks. Cannot jail if there was a lynch. Cannot execute if Roleblocked. Immune to Witch.


Feedback Messages
Consort/Escort - "You were roleblocked!"
Witch - "A witch controlled you last night!"
Sheriff Checks - "(targets name) is part of the Town."
"(targets name) is part of the Mafia."
"(targets name) is Evil."
Healed+Attacked - "Your target was attacked, but you healed his wounds."
Blacksmith - "You received a one shot Gun!" or "You received a vest!"

Death Types
Killed by Mafia
Killed by SK
Killed by Vigilante
Executed by Jailor

OoO
1- Jailor jails
2- Night groups get together to talk
3- People put on vests.
4- Escort / Consort Blocks Escorts / Consorts / Witch / Lookout
5- Witch mind-control
6- Lookout actions (can see witch and roleblockers)
7- Escort / Consort Blocks other roles
8- Framing
9- Investigations
10- Bodyguard
11- Scum kills
12- Vig kills
13- Heals
14- Blacksmith Gives Item
15- Jailor releases/executes

[Inspector Cluseau]

I'm sheriff, and last night, I got an inno/guilty on FM Inspector Cluseau.
I'm jailor, and I jailed FM Inspector Cluseau.
I'm escort who blocked FM Inspector Cluseau.
I'm vigilante and I shot FM Inspector Cluseau.
I'm any other town power role, and I visited FM Inspector Cluseau.

Robin Hood lies, none of this happened to me. Scum.

[FM Cookie Monster]

There! All done! *bookmarks page*

[FM Robin Hood]

Cluseau, it's best to wait until the last 24 hours of day before you make a hypo claim so that you can take into account any future "I was role blocked/jailed/etc" claims. For example, if Gandalf now claims roleblocked, scum will be inclined to think you are an escort. The point of a hypo is not to out all the town pr results to the mafia and make the pr really obvious based on poorly done hypo claims by town. The point is to allow pr's to hide and reveal their results in lieu of having last wills by having every single townie (including all citizens) claim every single pr role.

DANGIT.

[FM Wolverine]

(I'll try to think of flaws in the plan, because we don't want this to backfire & give up all our PR's.)

That sounds like a pretty good argument against it to me. What's to stop scum from just killing all our PRs once they all claim day 1?

[FM Cookie Monster]

@Michigan
Ah I see, I think it's a viable idea.
Should the REAL PR be honest about their actions?
I agree with this plan. Who else wants to do it?

[Inspector Cluseau]

That sounds like a pretty good argument against it to me. What's to stop scum from just killing all our PRs once they all claim day 1?

Simple... We claim the feedback.

[FM The Terminator]

Incorrect.
First 24 hours of each day should be feedback claims:
"I was role blocked"
"I was jailed"
"I was attacked/healed"

Second 24 hours of each day should be hypo claims, incorporating information gained from the feedback claims:
"Yayap claims jailed last night. I am the jailor who jailed Yayap."
"Oops claims role blocked. I am the escort who role blocked oops."
"Dark Revenant claims attacked/healed. I am the doctor who healed Dark Revenant."
etc.
and:
"I am a sheriff who got an inno/guilty on _____"
"I am any other town power role who used my action on _____"

Does that make sense?

What about, say, an escort who ends up roleblocking the mafia killer but is killed by the serial killer that same night? We should have everyone also claim an action for the upcoming night. Perhaps Cluscum's idea is the best one?

[FM Wile E Coyote]

Where the hell is that perky Road Runner?

I've got some Acme Dynamite cookies for him.

[Inspector Cluseau]

-Vote FM Inspector Cluseau for MVP

[FM Robin Hood]

Oh! I know! Let's have all of the citizen claim "Sheriff", and all of the Sheriffs claim "Citizen"!

[FM Agahnim]

FM Lucutus

Every day we need to lynch. He is the only Star trekk universe character.


Scum




Citizen (25)
Sheriff
Sheriff
Doctor
Doctor
Vigilante
Escort
Blacksmith
Jailor

Godfather
Mafioso
Mafioso
Consigliere
Consort
Framer

Serial Killer
Witch

Graveyard:
FM Yehat (Citizen) Killed by the Mafia

Godfather

Override Night actions
Immune to Detection
Not immune to death by town
Is informed of the players name if visited by an evil neutral
Can only kill if he is the last mafia alive


Consigliere

Find exact role
Does not replace GF

Roles
Mafioso

May be sent for the kill
Kills described as Killed by Mafia
When there are no mafioso alive other mafia members will forsake their night action for the kill
Will not kill but is informed if the target is an evil neutral


Framer

May frame 1 player each night, sheriff will get a "mafia" result if he visits the same player.


Consort

May roleblock any player at night. Target will get PM saying: "You were roleblocked!"


Serial Killer

Kills will be described as "Killed by the SK".
Will not kill but is informed if his target is Mafia or Evil Neutral.

Witch

Controls a player to target someone of his choice.
Cannot make target target self.
Can target mafia and other Evil Neutrals.
Witch cannot force a player to use an item, but if a gun is used, witch can change it's target.
Target is informed that a witch visited him.


Sheriff

Checks 1 player each night to see if he is part of the Mafia or Evil Neutrals.


Doctor

Will heal 1 player each night.


Vigilante

Can kill night 1
Unlimited shots


Escort

Can roleblock at night


Blacksmith

May give 1 vest or 1 one shot gun to a player at night.
Items can be used in addition to the persons role action


Jailor

During the day, may choose to jail a player for that night. Then he may release or execute his captive during the night. Unlimited executions. Jailed player will be roleblocked and will be immune to outside attacks. Cannot jail if there was a lynch. Cannot execute if Roleblocked. Immune to Witch.


Feedback Messages
Consort/Escort - "You were roleblocked!"
Witch - "A witch controlled you last night!"
Sheriff Checks - "(targets name) is part of the Town."
"(targets name) is part of the Mafia."
"(targets name) is Evil."
Healed+Attacked - "Your target was attacked, but you healed his wounds."
Blacksmith - "You received a one shot Gun!" or "You received a vest!"

Death Types
Killed by Mafia
Killed by SK
Killed by Vigilante
Executed by Jailor

OoO
1- Jailor jails
2- Night groups get together to talk
3- People put on vests.
4- Escort / Consort Blocks Escorts / Consorts / Witch / Lookout
5- Witch mind-control
6- Lookout actions (can see witch and roleblockers)
7- Escort / Consort Blocks other roles
8- Framing
9- Investigations
10- Bodyguard
11- Scum kills
12- Vig kills
13- Heals
14- Blacksmith Gives Item
15- Jailor releases/executes

Usefull

[Inspector Cluseau]

Oh! I know! Let's have all of the citizen claim "Sheriff", and all of the Sheriffs claim "Citizen"!

Close. How about, instead of that, we all claim both?

[FM Wile E Coyote]

Did I really just write perky instead of pesky?
....

ANYWAY.

[FM The Terminator]

For those of you who misunderstood, we wait until AFTER we have every possible feedback claim before hypoclaiming.

Frog, do you think there would be a point in also hypoclaiming scum?

[FM Robin Hood]

Now, does anyone have anything actually USEFUL to say?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Did I really just write perky instead of pesky?
....

ANYWAY.
<---
>mfw when I've got a perky road runner

[FM The Terminator]

Oh! I know! Let's have all of the citizen claim "Sheriff", and all of the Sheriffs claim "Citizen"!

Captain obvious is needed for this...

[FM Kermit]

Town:


Citizens:

1-Citizen
2-Citizen
3-Citizen
6-Citizen
7-Citizen
8-Citizen
11-Citizen
12-Citizen
13-Citizen
16-Citizen
17-Citizen
18-Citizen
21-Citizen
22-Citizen
23-Citizen
26-Citizen
27-Citizen
28-Citizen
31-Citizen: FM Yehat - Killed by the Mafia
32-Citizen
33-Citizen
36-Citizen
37-Citizen
38-Citizen
41-Citizen
42-Citizen

Power roles:
4-Sheriff
34-Sheriff
9-Doctor
14-Vigilante
24-Blacksmith
19-Escort
29-Doctor
39-Jailor




Mafia:


10-God Father
5-Mafioso
40-Mafioso
15-Consort
25-Consigliere
30-Framer


Neutrals:


20-Serial Killer
35-Witch


Yo, you may find this helpful.

[FM Robin Hood]

Now, does anyone have anything actually USEFUL to say?

By that, I mean, do we have any leads?

[FM The Terminator]

Now, does anyone have anything actually USEFUL to say?

Lots of useful has been said.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Now, does anyone have anything actually USEFUL to say?

start of day, claim feedbacks, regardless of what actually happened to you, lol.
mid day, claim your prior night action.
end day, claim your upcoming night action.

You are scum as hell if you don't like that plan.

[FM Agahnim]

Town:


Citizens:

1-Citizen
2-Citizen
3-Citizen
6-Citizen
7-Citizen
8-Citizen
11-Citizen
12-Citizen
13-Citizen
16-Citizen
17-Citizen
18-Citizen
21-Citizen
22-Citizen
23-Citizen
26-Citizen
27-Citizen
28-Citizen
31-Citizen: FM Yehat - Killed by the Mafia
32-Citizen
33-Citizen
36-Citizen
37-Citizen
38-Citizen
41-Citizen
42-Citizen

Power roles:
4-Sheriff
34-Sheriff
9-Doctor
14-Vigilante
24-Blacksmith
19-Escort
29-Doctor
39-Jailor




Mafia:


10-God Father
5-Mafioso
40-Mafioso
15-Consort
25-Consigliere
30-Framer


Neutrals:


20-Serial Killer
35-Witch


Yo, you may find this helpful.

The fact that there have been two other people to do this before you makes you seem scummy.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

day starts. claim any feedback.
mid day. claim all power roles and what you did as them.
end day. claim all power roles and what you will do tonight.

Day starts and mid day are correct.

However I don't think the third one is useful at all though. We just want to provide the bare bones minimum amount of information in our hypothetical claims in order to have pr night action results in the event of a pr dying and flipping pr in the graveyard.

Ideally, the mass of hypo claims would be too large and overwhelming (and convincing) for the mafia to sort through and determine anything useful about linkage of players to pr roles.

[FM The Terminator]

Town:


Citizens:

1-Citizen
2-Citizen
3-Citizen
6-Citizen
7-Citizen
8-Citizen
11-Citizen
12-Citizen
13-Citizen
16-Citizen
17-Citizen
18-Citizen
21-Citizen
22-Citizen
23-Citizen
26-Citizen
27-Citizen
28-Citizen
31-Citizen: FM Yehat - Killed by the Mafia
32-Citizen
33-Citizen
36-Citizen
37-Citizen
38-Citizen
41-Citizen
42-Citizen

Power roles:
4-Sheriff
34-Sheriff
9-Doctor
14-Vigilante
24-Blacksmith
19-Escort
29-Doctor
39-Jailor




Mafia:


10-God Father
5-Mafioso
40-Mafioso
15-Consort
25-Consigliere
30-Framer


Neutrals:


20-Serial Killer
35-Witch


Yo, you may find this helpful.

Seriously, you can stop with this. We don't need one on every page.

[FM Cookie Monster]

For those of you who misunderstood, we wait until AFTER we have every possible feedback claim before hypoclaiming.

Frog, do you think there would be a point in also hypoclaiming scum?

Hypoclaiming scum is probably a bad idea.. it will cause sheriff mis-checks and mis-lynches easily

[FM Dracula]

I have something important to share. I received a vest last night.

[FM Yoda]

Now, does anyone have anything actually USEFUL to say?

In the end, cowards are those who follow the dark side.

[FM Kermit]

I was just trying to help yo.
#swag tweet it

[FM Agahnim]

Scum List:
Yoda
Rubber Ducky
King Arthur

[FM Cookie Monster]

Day starts and mid day are correct.

However I don't think the third one is useful at all though. We just want to provide the bare bones minimum amount of information in our hypothetical claims in order to have pr night action results in the event of a pr dying and flipping pr in the graveyard.

Ideally, the mass of hypo claims would be too large and overwhelming (and convincing) for the mafia to sort through and determine anything useful about linkage of players to pr roles.

If we ought to go with this everybody needs to do it seriously = think about what you are claiming before saying it, it also bears a big risk to town PRs

[Inspector Cluseau]

Scum List:
Yoda
Rubber Ducky
King Arthur

Nah, Arthur should be fine.

[FM Cookie Monster]

I have something important to share. I received a vest last night.

WiFOM

[FM Master Chef]

You people post too much. 1 hour = 9 pages.

[FM Robin Hood]

Scum List:
Everybody except FM Robin Hood
Everyone except FM Robin Hood
Nobody who isn't FM Robin Hood

[FM Agahnim]

Nah, Arthur should be fine.

Key word: Should be.

He is a target of interest.

[Inspector Cluseau]

If we ought to go with this everybody needs to do it seriously = think about what you are claiming before saying it, it also bears a big risk to town PRs

I did some math. If we can use it to hide PRs it will work fine at that. It just might confuse them. We have at least 5 nights before Town loses. So, if PRs can find anything real in that time then we can stop.

[FM Robin Hood]

You people post too much. 1 hour = 9 pages.

I know, right?

[Inspector Cluseau]

You people post too much. 1 hour = 9 pages.

solution- more posts per page.

[FM Cookie Monster]

You people post too much. 1 hour = 9 pages.

Oh because discussing is bad
Noted

[FM Robin Hood]

You people post too much. 1 hour = 9 pages.

By the end of the day, we'll be at page 1000000.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Robin Hood and Master Chef are scum.

[FM Cookie Monster]

I did some math. If we can use it to hide PRs it will work fine at that. It just might confuse them. We have at least 5 nights before Town loses. So, if PRs can find anything real in that time then we can stop.

It's 33 vs (6+2)
How can we even lose in 5 nights

[Inspector Cluseau]

It's 33 vs (6+2)
How can we even lose in 5 nights

'at least' was factoring if Vigs and Jailors go to town on... well town.

[FM Cookie Monster]

It's 33 vs (6+2)
How can we even lose in 5 nights

Actually if the Vigilante + Jailor + Lynches fail everyday we can.. but I doubt that will happen

[FM Robin Hood]

Robin Hood and Master Chef are scum.

Liar! You're a random lynching crackpot!

FM Inspector Cluseau

[FM King Arthur]

I doth not see how this hypothetical claim will serve the kingdom better than it will serve the spawn of evil, for they will be capable of finding all PRs much more quickly by sharing any night feedback they receive and comparing it to claims they read during the day. This doth not only apply to sheriffs, but also to the escort, blacksmith and gaoler.

Twould not be a problem if associated feedback was not claimed until after the target's death. Twould be different if we had a detective or lookout, but alas we have neither.

Why doth thou request these feedback claims to be made along with thine hypothetical claim plan?

If a vigilante shot is made, role blocks are claimed, blacksmith materials are claimed to have been received, jailed people claim in the first 24 hours of day, you should insert that information into your hypo claim list.
I would think it better to use either or.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Liar! You're a random lynching crackpot!

FM Inspector Cluseau

I SUSPECT EVERYONE!

[FM Cookie Monster]

I doth not see how this hypothetical claim will serve the kingdom better than it will serve the spawn of evil, for they will be capable of finding all PRs much more quickly by sharing any night feedback they receive and comparing it to claims they read during the day. This doth not only apply to sheriffs, but also to the escort, blacksmith and gaoler.

Twould not be a problem if associated feedback was not claimed until after the target's death. Twould be different if we had a detective or lookout, but alas we have neither.

Why doth thou request these feedback claims to be made along with thine hypothetical claim plan?

I would think it better to use either or.

There are no last wills, we have no way of knowing what the PR (especially sheriff) do when they die. We NEED that information

[FM Michigan J Frog]

@Michigan
Ah I see, I think it's a viable idea.
Should the REAL PR be honest about their actions?
I agree with this plan. Who else wants to do it?

I think all PR's should be honest about their actions and all citizens should try their hardest to come up with believable pr claims (especially who they call out as inno/suspicious). This is the only way it's useful for the town.


What about, say, an escort who ends up roleblocking the mafia killer but is killed by the serial killer that same night? We should have everyone also claim an action for the upcoming night. Perhaps Cluscum's idea is the best one?

I still don't think pre-emptively claiming night actions is a good idea since it helps scum figure out who the real pr's are. Any possible advantages of that are negated by the possible harms imo.


For those of you who misunderstood, we wait until AFTER we have every possible feedback claim before hypoclaiming.

Frog, do you think there would be a point in also hypoclaiming scum?

There is absolutely no reason to hypo claim as scum unless you're scum trying to convey your consig results/etc. At least, I don't see any benefit to it.

[FM The Terminator]

Day starts and mid day are correct.

However I don't think the third one is useful at all though. We just want to provide the bare bones minimum amount of information in our hypothetical claims in order to have pr night action results in the event of a pr dying and flipping pr in the graveyard.

Ideally, the mass of hypo claims would be too large and overwhelming (and convincing) for the mafia to sort through and determine anything useful about linkage of players to pr roles.

The argument for claiming the upcoming night actions is that something important may happen. Jailor actions, doctor actions, escort actions, and lookout actions could all be important preclaims in case the player dies that night.

Another pro of the idea: If a lot of people preclaim lookout actions on a town player, the scum are less likely to kill him. If a citizen preclaims an investigation on a scum, they might just kill him, saving an important power role and giving us further clues.

[FM Robin Hood]

WE WENT TWO MINUTES WITH NO COMMENTS!? UNACCEPTABLE!!!

*shoots Inspector Cluseau*

[Inspector Cluseau]

The argument for claiming the upcoming night actions is that something important may happen. Jailor actions, doctor actions, escort actions, and lookout actions could all be important preclaims in case the player dies that night.

Another pro of the idea: If a lot of people preclaim lookout actions on a town player, the scum are less likely to kill him. If a citizen preclaims an investigation on a scum, they might just kill him, saving an important power role and giving us further clues.

Terminator knows what is up. Please, everyone, do this.

[Inspector Cluseau]

WE WENT TWO MINUTES WITH NO COMMENTS!? UNACCEPTABLE!!!

*shoots Inspector Cluseau*

Yes. Chocolates make one very thirsty.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Ok to simplify it, am I correct in saying this as what you want us to do frog?
1. Claim all Roleblocks/Witched/Healed+Attacked/Blacksmith ( should we be honest about this? )
2. Hypo claim all actions (Sheriff+Doctor+Vigi+Escort+Blacksmith+Jailor), and their respective feedbacks, if any. With town PR's being honest and Citizen trying their best to seem like a town PR

[FM King Arthur]

There be no lookout. And by the by come to think of it, not claiming feedback would just give the scum even more information than it giveth us. For they can remain silent during daytime. Hmm.

[Inspector Cluseau]

I think all Citizens need to claim feedback as well. Or else scum can track down real future action claims.

[FM The Terminator]

There be no lookout. And by the by come to think of it, not claiming feedback would just give the scum even more information than it giveth us. For they can remain silent during daytime. Hmm.

If someone outright refuses to hypo, we can lynch them. Simple.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Or to claim a matching Escort/Jailor/Smith claim they see. This will allow PRs to take their picks of covers.

[FM The Terminator]

I think all Citizens need to claim feedback as well. Or else scum can track down real future action claims.

As in, claim roleblocked even if you weren't? Or just prehypoclaim like I'm suggesting?

[Inspector Cluseau]

As in, claim roleblocked even if you weren't? Or just prehypoclaim like I'm suggesting?

Both

[FM Gandalf]

I think that the future claiming + faking feedback sounds like a terrible idea. Should stick to truthful feedback only + hypo claiming the previous night.

[FM Agahnim]

Scum List:
Yoda
Rubber Ducky
Jack Sparrow


Suspected:
Jack Sparrow - Me - Reason: Possible Consig.

Evidence: began his post with an RP:
do what you want cause a pirate is free! You are a pirate!

Then posted again with:
FM Lucutus

Every day we need to lynch. He is the only Star trekk universe character.

Dropping the RP and placing a vote with a half cocked BS fake logic post of town needing to lynch every day. the lower cased d in his first post makes be believe he is a Consig that is telling his scum buddies in code what his results reveled about whoever he targeted. Notice how he uses all lower case letters in his first post but in his second he uses proper sentence structure. Obvious Code is obvious.

FM Jack Sparrow

[FM Robin Hood]

...You do realize you're giving all of your tactics to the mafia, right? I think we need to write a secret code.

[FM King Arthur]

Truth be told I thinketh blacksmith equipment shouldst not be claimed. It hath no purpose to claim it until after the blacksmith hath died.

Roleblocks and jailed claims are fine.

[FM The Terminator]

Or to claim a matching Escort/Jailor/Smith claim they see. This will allow PRs to take their picks of covers.

So you're saying that no night action claim should be left "alone?"
So if we see someone give an escort preclaim, citizens should also preclaim that same thing?

[Inspector Cluseau]

Seeing as there is only 1 Jailor/Escort/Smith, they will know who is making things up. That should allow them to deduce who is Citizen while Sheriffs scum hunt.

[FM Master Chef]

why are you nignogs even voting? it'll be impossible to get 41 voters to vote

[FM The Terminator]

XD day is moving too fast to have an efficient conversation

[FM Agahnim]

Scum List:
Yoda
Rubber Ducky
Jack Sparrow


Suspected:
Jack Sparrow - Me - Reason: Possible Consig.

Evidence: began his post with an RP:

Then posted again with:

Dropping the RP and placing a vote with a half cocked BS fake logic post of town needing to lynch every day. the lower cased d in his first post makes be believe he is a Consig that is telling his scum buddies in code what his results reveled about whoever he targeted. Notice how he uses all lower case letters in his first post but in his second he uses proper sentence structure. Obvious Code is obvious.

FM Jack Sparrow

Botched a bit. He has one upper case letter in his first post.
Still a scum slip imo.

[FM Master Chef]

I believe you typoed my name. Can you add the I in 'Chief'?

[FM Cookie Monster]

Oh and
To the Vigilante
I propose the plan to shoot the least contributive person/lurker every night
What do you guys think about this? For me, I think the Vigilante should always aim for lurkers first before shooting any not-really-confirmed-scum. Confirmed scum>Lurkers>Suspected scum. IMO. The jailor should more or less to the same.
Lurking Citizen=Deadweight=Wasting discussion time and town PR actions, especially that we have so few town PR.

[FM King Arthur]

I think that the future claiming + faking feedback sounds like a terrible idea. Should stick to truthful feedback only + hypo claiming the previous night.

Agreed. Truthful feedback claims be a virtue in these environs.

[FM The Terminator]

Jailor can't jail after a lynch.

[Inspector Cluseau]

Truth be told I thinketh blacksmith equipment shouldst not be claimed. It hath no purpose to claim it until after the blacksmith hath died.

Roleblocks and jailed claims are fine.

Claiming a Vest would make the Mafia more hesitant to attack that person. Thus, only PRs should claim it. Thus, only Citizens should claim it. Thus, vest claims are scum. My head hurts...

[FM Cookie Monster]

Scum List:
Yoda
Rubber Ducky
Jack Sparrow

Suspected:
Jack Sparrow - Me - Reason: Possible Consig.

Evidence: began his post with an RP:

Then posted again with:

Dropping the RP and placing a vote with a half cocked BS fake logic post of town needing to lynch every day. the lower cased d in his first post makes be believe he is a Consig that is telling his scum buddies in code what his results reveled about whoever he targeted. Notice how he uses all lower case letters in his first post but in his second he uses proper sentence structure. Obvious Code is obvious.

FM Jack Sparrow
This is a very interesting read to me. we should observe closely for loosely hidden codes. That first post is incredibly interesting

[FM The Terminator]

Oh and
To the Vigilante
I propose the plan to shoot the least contributive person/lurker every night
What do you guys think about this? For me, I think the Vigilante should always aim for lurkers first before shooting any not-really-confirmed-scum. Confirmed scum>Lurkers>Suspected scum. IMO. The jailor should more or less to the same.
Lurking Citizen=Deadweight=Wasting discussion time and town PR actions, especially that we have so few town PR.

Correction: shooting priority should be given to anyone who is active during the 24 hours before night falls, but refuses to hypo. A lurker may be a PR who wants to stay hidden. Hell, my exams start Monday, and I'm sure many others' do as well.

[FM Cookie Monster]

FEEDBACK CLAIMS SHOULD BE REAL
ACTIONS CLAIMS SHOULD BE FAKED BUT AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE FOR CITIZENS

[FM Robin Hood]

Morning - Feedback
Afternoon - Previous claims
Evening - Hypo claims

Is this the format we'll be using?

[FM Cookie Monster]

Correction: shooting priority should be given to anyone who is active during the 24 hours before night falls, but refuses to hypo. A lurker may be a PR who wants to stay hidden. Hell, my exams start Monday, and I'm sure many others' do as well.

Mine finished last week
Does everybody agree with this plan yet? We need to find the loopholes and consider all the cons considering it's a risky plan

[FM Agahnim]

My feedback claims - Nothing happened to me.

[FM Cookie Monster]

Morning - Feedback
Afternoon - Previous claims
Evening - Hypo claims

Is this the format we'll be using?
Except we have different timezones, don't do it, it's hard considering some people might be absent in morning but present in afternoon and evening.
It should be just Feedback then Hypo

[FM Wile E Coyote]

I can already tell that this game is going to be one massive clusterfuck.
Hurray! \o/

[FM Robin Hood]

I can already tell that this game is going to be one massive clusterfuck.
Hurray! \o/

You said it.

[FM Agahnim]

I presented everyone with a clear read. Or at least a good discussion topic.

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Ok to simplify it, am I correct in saying this as what you want us to do frog?
1. Claim all Roleblocks/Witched/Healed+Attacked/Blacksmith ( should we be honest about this? )
2. Hypo claim all actions (Sheriff+Doctor+Vigi+Escort+Blacksmith+Jailor), and their respective feedbacks, if any. With town PR's being honest and Citizen trying their best to seem like a town PR

I think it's fine to omit your blacksmith materials received claims, because then it falls under the "I am any other town PR and I performed my action on ____" category. This is kind of a grey area tbh, because it would be good to be able to hold players with extra guns or night immunity accountable.


I think that the future claiming + faking feedback sounds like a terrible idea. Should stick to truthful feedback only + hypo claiming the previous night.

Faking feedback will only expose PR's, as the real (insert role here) will likely hypo his true action instead of sheeping along with feedback that was claimed. I think that if anybody fakes feedback to try to mislead the town, they should be shot/lynched without question. Town is at a huge numerical advantage here, so there is really no reason for us to be anything but truthful.


Truth be told I thinketh blacksmith equipment shouldst not be claimed. It hath no purpose to claim it until after the blacksmith hath died.

Roleblocks and jailed claims are fine.

The only problem with blacksmith equipment claims is that if people don't claim to have received it, then we can't hold people accountable for mis-shootings, etc. However if people decide that hypos for this one category would cause more harm than good, we can just eliminate all reference to it altogether.

[FM Dracula]

Sorry I claimed then. I was just trying to be helpful. I agree with the overall "claim honest feedback, post hypo night visits" strategy.

[FM Cookie Monster]

I'm going to be AFK for an hour or so. Gonna eat breakfast

[FM Michigan J Frog]

Except we have different timezones, don't do it, it's hard considering some people might be absent in morning but present in afternoon and evening.
It should be just Feedback then Hypo

If we do it in two cycles to split the 48 hour days: first 24 hours collecting feedback claims, last 24 hours to hypo, then everyone from all time zones should realistically be able to participate fully.

Also, I'm willing to go along with pressure on Jack Sparrow. Good catch, Aganhim. We should be aware that town has about a bajillion mislynches since there are so many citizens in this setup.

FM Jack Sparrow

[FM Jack Sparrow]

This is a mass citizen game. No one claims anything until he really has found something or this whole game will be getting super complicated. Claiming any role you actually aren't is super bad. I feared that this setup would be too different for the sc2mafia rabble and apparently it is.

FM Agahnim go back to your s-fm's. Thank you.

[Inspector Cluseau]

FM Jack Sparrow

[FM Robin Hood]

MASS CONFUSION!!

Whatever, I'll sit back and watch and make the occasional comment.

[Inspector Cluseau]

This is a mass citizen game. No one claims anything until he really has found something or this whole game will be getting super complicated. Claiming any role you actually aren't is super bad. I feared that this setup would be too different for the sc2mafia rabble and apparently it is.

FM Agahnim go back to your s-fm's. Thank you.

It's like you've never played an FM before...

[FM Robin Hood]

Oh, and take this for the road.

FM Jack Sparrow

[FM The Terminator]

Except we have different timezones, don't do it, it's hard considering some people might be absent in morning but present in afternoon and evening.
It should be just Feedback then Hypo

Morning, afternoon, and evening being time of game Day, not real day. He means feedback at the start, then posthypo, then prehypo.

Honestly, I think the posthypo and prehypo should be done in the same post, once all relevant feedback has been received.

[FM Pinkie Pie]

@ FM The Terminator

Escort don't block SK. And there is no lookout. Remember that we have blacksmith who can give vests.

@ FM Michigan J Frog

Your plan is workable if we have a thinking town.

My current last will:

N1: No feedback. Night action: (will update later).

What about preemptive fake claiming? I certainly gives us more information to work with. Then again, maybe not. We do not want escort/doctor dead and lying to us whom they blocked/healed.

@ FM King Arthur

You are correct. Scum has the initial advantage. Depends if the town can trace back the actions. But it is better than nothing.

[FM Yoda]

This is a mass citizen game

FM Jack Sparrow

[FM Jack Sparrow]

It's like you've never played an FM before...

It's more like you never played on a different mafia page where last wills aren't available and not every second fm player is a town power role.

[FM The Terminator]

FM Jack Sparrow for pressure. I do not want him lynched, because

Jailor cannot jail after a lynch!

Future edit: You don't need to make it THAT big...

[FM Jack Sparrow]

There is no pressure voting. There is only lynching. Lol.

[FM Agahnim]

@Jack Sparrow.

Its never a town tell to come back after more than one person joins on your train...2/3...pages...later...

[FM Jack Sparrow]

U have no idea what you are doing. As usual.

[Inspector Cluseau]

U have no idea what you are doing. As usual.

inb4 Jest Sparrow

[FM Yoda]

U have no idea what you are doing. As usual.

Youngling.

[FM King Arthur]

One thing that we shouldst consider when hypothetically claiming sheriff checks is that we require a good spread. There be a framer about! We also desire a good chance that both sheriffs check a different target.

This is true for all hypothetical claims, but for the sheriff it seems the most important.

[FM King Arthur]

inb4 Jest Sparrow

Nay. There be no jester in the game, for it were the fiftieth role only and there aren't that many participants.

[FM Yoda]

Nay. There be no jester in the game, for it were the fiftieth role only and there aren't that many participants.

Sparrow would know?

[Forum Mafia GM]

I believe you typoed my name. Can you add the I in 'Chief'?

I did not typo your name. You typoed your avatar:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9w6xhTnmD1r4jd0bo1_250.jpg

[FM Jack Sparrow]

Why do you try to play mafiascum setups with the troll sc2mafia community?

[FM King Arthur]

I did not typo your name. You typoed your avatar:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9w6xhTnmD1r4jd0bo1_250.jpg
What about Caesar? You knave!

[FM The Terminator]

Why do you try to play mafiascum setups with the troll sc2mafia community?

He reminds me of Tylwyth...

[FM Jack Sparrow]

He reminds me of Tylwyth...

Wow. I will remember that.

[FM Wolverine]

I did not typo your name. You typoed your avatar:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9w6xhTnmD1r4jd0bo1_250.jpg

Lol. Perfect.